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09:45.04Wntwow, people seem to be ready to pay ridiculous amounts of money for the N950
09:45.34Wnthttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-/190923069465
09:46.23Wntbut apparently the highest bidder didn't pay his bid and the N950 is now relisted http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N950-/190938540008
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23:12.27Malinuxhow can I reflash my N9? I accidently made it uninstall a lot of packages
23:14.58EztranHave a look through http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693
23:21.47Malinuxthe NaviFrim program doesnt'f find any firmware
23:22.38EztranYeah, Navifirm's been locked out to unregistered clients or something. See the post for a link to firmware.
23:23.34MalinuxEztran: well, maybe this will work? lucky I found this: http://www.mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productID=4823499691&productType=RM-696&releaseID=7048842309&variantID=7076918580&productCode=059K771&version=40.2012.21.3
23:24.04Malinuxthe link in the link you linked me (what a sentence :S) is actually leading to a dead site
23:24.17Malinuxbut well I google nokia firmware and found the something
23:24.44EztranLooks good, if 059K771 is your product code. And one of the links goes to that site, the post's been rearranged a couple times.
23:25.15Malinuxnot sure if I can check my product code anymore
23:25.27EztranBTW: to look up your product code, it's written on the SIM card tray.
23:25.31MalinuxI am sure it is a norwegian phone with 64GB
23:25.39Malinuxah, I could check that for sure
23:25.46MalinuxI have to turn it off anyhow
23:25.58MalinuxI thik there is a way to flash withoug flashing home-catalog?
23:26.05EztranIt doesn't care if you remove the SIM while it's running :)
23:26.15MalinuxI think I got some files rsynced from it before it lost cconnecting to wifi
23:26.20Malinuxah :)
23:26.47EztranYou can flash only firmware, or only EMMC. EMMC has /home/user/MyDocs on it.
23:26.58Eztran(or kernel, but that's probably not relevant to this)
23:27.17EztranGuessing you probably just wanna flash firmware?
23:28.19Malinuxyes, that's the right productcode
23:28.48MalinuxI too think it's necessary with firmware only, as it just packages who whent uninstalled
23:28.59Malinuxtried to install the profiler<something> and then it started :S
23:29.37Malinuxwich one of them do I need to download?
23:29.43EztranShould just need the file with PR LEGACY etc. in it for firmware.
23:29.51MalinuxI did this one: DFL61 HARMATTAN 40.2012.13-7.NORTHERNEUROPE EMMC NORTHERNEUROPE.bin
23:29.56Malinuxbut I see it is marked EMMC
23:30.11EztranYeah, that's the EMMC image, the one above it's firmware.
23:30.46Malinuxokey, so i can use the one above?
23:31.03MalinuxI have flashed my N900 twice or something, but never the N9 :)
23:31.17EztranLooks like the file you want is 'DFL61 HARMATTAN 40.2012.21-3 PR LEGACY 009-OEM1-958 ARM.bin' on that page.
23:31.53Malinuxokey. I will try it :)
23:32.08Malinuxaccording to the link you linked me
23:32.25EztranThen flasher for your OS from http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo-dev-env-downloads/ (note: you want the 3.12.1 version, the later one doesn't work with Harmattan).
23:32.28Malinuxrunning flasher wit this flags
23:32.30Malinuxflasher -f -F main.bin
23:32.35Malinuxwill keep home-folder
23:32.38EztranThat's the one, yeah.
23:33.11Malinuxah, thanks. Then I have to uninstall the one I installed, but I remembered there was something fishy with some of them
23:33.31Malinuxor wayt. I think I installed the: flasher_3.12.1_amd64.deb
23:34.08MalinuxI ran flasher --version and I am running 3.12.1
23:34.15EztranShould be fine, then.
23:34.19Malinuxdoes it matter if I installed the 64-bit-version?
23:34.31EztranDon't think so, no. Never noticed any difference.
23:34.33MalinuxI am running a 64-bit ubuntu and it would be a logical choice
23:34.35Malinuxok
23:35.23EztranSo yeah, as from the forum post, flasher -i, attach phone, flasher -f -F main.bin.
23:35.57EztranPresuming you renamed the firmware to main.bin. Obviously you could just sub in the name of the firmware file instead.
23:36.03Malinuxnice. Then I in the firstplace need to wait for the firmware to download :)
23:36.15Malinuxyeah
23:36.17EztranYup, they're pretty big files. Particularly EMMC, but you don't have to do that one.
23:36.23Malinuxit's easy to use tab for autocomplete
23:37.00MalinuxI picked the one above. 1.2GB instead of 1.5GB
23:37.10Malinuxso it slightly smaller
23:37.37EztranYeah, firmware's a little smaller, thankfully.
23:37.52Malinuxyeah :)
23:38.02Malinuxin fact I got the N9 as replacment for my N900
23:38.13Malinuxthe usb-connector lost connection
23:38.20EztranArgh, common N900 problem.
23:38.26Malinuxyeah...
23:38.53MalinuxIn fact I lost it in the floor with chager plugged in. I think a phone shouldn't break of that
23:39.11EztranIt was basically the one big hardware fail on the N900 from what I've seen.
23:39.21Malinuxanyhow. an exfriend brought a new N900 to me through ebay. I haven't spent any time taking it in use yet
23:39.24Malinuxit's a lovely phone
23:39.31Malinuxyeah
23:39.48EztranStill basically nothing matches the N900 for functionality. N9's nice for slightly different reasons.
23:39.52MalinuxThere is about two things I miss from the _N900 on the N9
23:40.05Malinuxphysical keyboard and a fm-transmitter
23:40.14Malinuxagreed
23:40.36Malinuxin fact I think the gps on N9 is faster and more responsible than N900, so that's one of the things I like better with N9
23:40.57EztranAlways liked that Nokia allow offline maps.
23:41.12Malinuxyeah
23:41.18Malinuxnokia maps is very good
23:41.25EztranI mean, people talk about caching small areas on Android, and it's like, 'Yeah, but I have the whole of Europe offline.'
23:41.31Malinuxtheir not as good as finn.no/kart for terrain info
23:41.34Malinuxthat's a norwegian map
23:41.45Malinux:)
23:42.09Malinuxfinn.no/kart works on n9, but I see it's not optimiced for phones
23:42.16Malinuxbut I can see my position it
23:42.30Malinux2 minutes left for firmware to download :)
23:42.42MalinuxI am looking forward for the Jolla-phone
23:42.54Malinuxnot sure how good it will actually be
23:43.16Malinuxbut if I can, as the other half, choose some keyboard, I would like that at least
23:43.32EztranIt's got a chance, at least, of being great. And the Other Half keyboard discussions on TMO look really promising.
23:43.51Malinuxyes
23:44.17MalinuxI know there is some people who either stick with an old phone with physical keyborad, or can't wait for a new one to arrive
23:44.38MalinuxI have heard those who means physical keyboards are old fashin, but I don't agree with them
23:44.46Malinuxor I rather be old fashioned then
23:45.25EztranThere really aren't many, these days. Onscreen ones aren't bad for most stuff now, but I'm pretty sure I'd still get higher WPM on a decent physical.
23:45.37MalinuxWPM?
23:45.43Eztranwords per minute, sorry.
23:45.44Malinuxah, words per minute?
23:45.50MalinuxI figrued it out somehow
23:46.01MalinuxI am slow on touch
23:46.29MalinuxI am more used to it, but It's nothing like physical response when hitting the keys
23:46.37EztranI'm not exactly slow, but making mistakes is easier, so correcting them all the time slows me down.
23:47.10MalinuxI have to correct often my self
23:47.20EztranParticularly when I go to backspace and hit 'l' like 5 times, on the N9.
23:47.23MalinuxI have seen an way to have less typos
23:47.44Malinuxby pressing the button for a while I can see if I hit right, or I can, while still my finger pressed, move it over to the right key
23:47.52Malinuxbut that's making me slower as well
23:48.33MalinuxI was dissapointed that N950 was not for custommers. Don't know if it made me happier to hear from someone who hade one, that the phone was not good at all
23:48.34Malinuxhehe
23:49.44EztranIt would've needed a lot of polish before release. Seemed like they gave up on the hardware halfway through. The concept of it was really nice, though.
23:51.24Malinuxwhen I connect the phone, after I think I made to switch it off and disconnect it from usb I do the following
23:51.27Malinuxrunning fdisk -l
23:51.35Malinuxand then connect the phone, nothing happens
23:51.44Malinuxon N900 I had to press the key u or something
23:52.09Malinuxah, so That's why it was not released :)
23:52.19EztranUhm, fdisk -l?
23:52.26Malinuxeh,
23:52.32Malinuxsorry. I ran flasher -l
23:52.32Malinuxhehe
23:52.46Malinuxfdisk was a typo when I wrote it here
23:52.50Malinuxin the channel
23:52.58EztranAha. Slightly different programs there :)
23:53.09Malinuxit is indeed :)
23:53.29EztranAnyway, think you wanted flasher -i rather than -l.
23:53.36Malinuxaha
23:53.47EztranShould say it's waiting or something (can't remember the wording).
23:54.04EztranThen attach phone.
23:55.26Malinuxhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6286055/
23:55.30Malinuxnothing happens yet
23:55.40EztranHave you connected the phone, yeah?
23:55.45Malinuxyeah :)
23:56.08Malinuxand I am not gonna press any keys when connecting as on the N900?
23:56.18EztranSometimes the USB mode the phone was in makes a difference - try turning it on, setting to USB suite, turning off, plugging it in. And nah, you don't need to press anything.
23:58.05Malinuxah. puh.. it starts again It looks like
23:58.30MalinuxI see nokia logo
23:58.45Malinuxthat's all at the moment
23:59.07EztranPresumably this is after you've changed mode and turned it off again?
23:59.24Malinuxno. I haven't made it boot yet
23:59.29Malinuxit just showing the nokia-logo
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