IRC log for #harmattan on 20131106

00:58.43*** join/#harmattan imunsie (~imunsie@ibmaus65.lnk.telstra.net)
01:53.16*** join/#harmattan beford (~frod@unaffiliated/beford)
02:31.58*** join/#harmattan mschlens (~mschlens@p5DE79583.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
03:29.26*** join/#harmattan natunen (~nalle@213-186-240-19.bb.dnainternet.fi)
04:13.36*** join/#harmattan traysh (~traysh@177.32.6.140)
04:18.29*** join/#harmattan thedead1440_ (~thedead14@unaffiliated/thedead1440)
04:18.35*** join/#harmattan aard_ (bwachter@edna-edison.lart.info)
04:19.28*** join/#harmattan Kaadlajk_ (kylanpaj@hilla.kapsi.fi)
04:19.33*** join/#harmattan Anden_ (~Anden@h-79-136-125-64.na.cust.bahnhof.se)
04:20.58*** join/#harmattan Dante_J (~marco@a82-4.nat.uq.edu.au)
04:25.51*** join/#harmattan Custodian (~Custodian@46.39.225.253)
04:32.06*** join/#harmattan VDVsx (~VDVsx@a88-114-88-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
05:49.04*** join/#harmattan bef0rd (~bef0rd@unaffiliated/beford)
06:08.20*** join/#harmattan Morpog_PC (~Morpog@stgt-5d843bc4.pool.mediaWays.net)
06:19.43*** join/#harmattan Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr)
06:29.09*** join/#harmattan fk_lx (~filipk@157.158.57.113)
06:34.55*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@rob92-9-88-161-114-92.fbx.proxad.net)
06:35.33*** join/#harmattan VDVsx (~VDVsx@192.194.199.34)
06:38.05*** join/#harmattan FlameReaper (~assassin@183.171.164.136)
06:39.33*** join/#harmattan Morpog_N9_ (~Morpog@tmo-109-177.customers.d1-online.com)
06:52.38*** join/#harmattan tonyoy_ (~tonyoy@cor13-3-88-164-147-63.fbx.proxad.net)
06:54.56*** join/#harmattan merlin_1991 (~merlin@merlin1991.at)
06:57.09*** join/#harmattan Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr)
07:07.04*** join/#harmattan Aranel (~Aranel@unaffiliated/aranel)
07:11.29*** join/#harmattan Martix_ (~martix@static-84-242-103-180.net.upcbroadband.cz)
07:24.13*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9___ (~trigpoint@31.115.27.205)
07:44.12*** join/#harmattan faenil (~faenil@194.157.27.2)
07:48.34*** join/#harmattan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali)
07:49.35*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9___ (~trigpoint@31.115.27.205)
08:13.08*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@37.161.230.62)
08:16.51*** join/#harmattan gabriel9|work (~quassel@9-133-241-92-ptp-stat.customer.blic.net)
08:26.09*** join/#harmattan Aranel (~Aranel@88.232.151.109)
08:26.10*** join/#harmattan Aranel (~Aranel@unaffiliated/aranel)
08:28.09*** join/#harmattan arcean (~arcean@apn-31-1-238-78.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl)
08:31.11*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@192.194.199.35)
08:32.19*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@37.161.194.93)
08:33.01*** join/#harmattan arcean (~arcean@apn-77-113-26-120.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl)
08:43.10*** join/#harmattan rcg (~rcg-work@fhffm1223.nat.fh-frankfurt.de)
08:58.09*** join/#harmattan trx (ns-team@212.200.198.106)
08:58.10*** join/#harmattan trx (ns-team@devbin/founder/trx)
09:33.33*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@net-rtvisitors.oecd.org)
09:38.59*** join/#harmattan unreal_ (~unreal@interwebs.greenade.net)
10:40.39*** join/#harmattan simbrown (~sbrown@87-194-181-195.bethere.co.uk)
10:52.18*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt)
11:30.31*** join/#harmattan Mek (~quassel@kde/mkruisselbrink)
11:34.42*** join/#harmattan jluisn (~quassel@187.115.172.24)
11:36.50*** join/#harmattan larrfed (~larrygtt3@108.160.203.7)
11:49.50*** join/#harmattan lmoura (~lmoura@177.134.158.192)
11:51.46*** join/#harmattan jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-xkwibzdwusveggvn)
11:53.23*** join/#harmattan jmlich (jmlich@nat/redhat/x-xhxhxtjnjrplvqns)
11:55.50*** join/#harmattan Morpog_N9_ (~Morpog@tmo-100-176.customers.d1-online.com)
12:05.21*** join/#harmattan Eztran (~Eztran@212.183.128.62)
12:06.24*** join/#harmattan artemma (~artem@83.145.245.61)
12:13.48*** join/#harmattan imunsie (~imunsie@pa114-73-176-226.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au)
12:14.26*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@37.162.130.245)
12:20.08*** join/#harmattan jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-xsezabtbmlgqbfsq)
12:25.57*** join/#harmattan liar (~liar@83.175.90.24)
12:33.16*** join/#harmattan artemma (~artem@83.145.245.61)
12:42.48*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@192.194.199.35)
12:48.34*** join/#harmattan coderus (~coderus@static.88-198-208-108.clients.your-server.de)
12:50.02coderusJonni: hello there, any info about nokia download repositories for harmattan life cycle?
12:51.28Jonnicoderus: no idea, I've backupped everything just in case ;-)
12:52.32*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@net-rtvisitors.oecd.org)
12:52.41coderusJonni: well, my question actually about redistributing this repositories.
12:53.01coderusJonni: can we upload to own repositories publicity>
12:53.21coderusJonni: and announce about working backup in web?
12:56.20Jonnibut my hunch is that repositories will work still atleast for few years.
12:56.37Jonniso its quite unlikely that we would need to host our own repoes
12:57.55coderusJonni: actually some dns/policy issues in some countries. some peoples cant use nokia repositories, blocked by some isp.
12:59.11Jonniwell they can if they install tor client :)
13:00.03coderusthey cant install tor without active developer mode hosted o blocked host :)
13:02.56*** join/#harmattan Rantwolf (~randy@static-217-17-207-54.net.encoline.de)
13:02.56coderusanyway. any legal issues about redistributing n9 and unreleased n950 pr13 repos>
13:03.03coderuss/>/?
13:06.44Jonniofcourse there might be, I have no idea what nokia legal is doing nowadays, but I bet that they have the IPR and copyright for the binaries.
13:07.33Jonnidont know if they bother to spend time on dead platform tough. atleast  nobody has botherred harmattan-dev mirror
13:11.24*** join/#harmattan Venemo_ (~communi@fedora/Venemo)
13:20.15coderusthanks :)
13:24.16Hurrianiirc, didn't HF ask Nokia for permission to do so, only to be met with disinterest from Nokia?
13:28.38*** join/#harmattan merlin1991 (~merlin@Maemo/community/cssu/merlin1991)
13:28.52SpeedEvilMight it even be micrsoft?
13:29.37*** join/#harmattan Kabouik__ (~quassel@147.99.218.243)
13:30.49Kabouik__Hey guys, my N9 keeps telling me that I have not enough space available to receive or send MMS. I've cleared all my files in the .callRecorder folder (which was what took most of the space, and kept increasing of course)
13:31.03Kabouik__Then I've run DropCache (free all), and even rebooted
13:31.11Hurriancheck free space on /home
13:31.18Kabouik__But the problem persists. What should I do? I've found nothing relevant on TMO
13:31.34HurrianMMS are not stored on MyDocs (partition exported when connected to PC)
13:32.11Kabouik__124 MB free on /home out of 2 GB
13:32.49Kabouik__339 free on internal drive
13:33.00Hurrianhmm, that sounds dangerously close to the 5% reserved free space default on EXT4.
13:33.03Kabouik__And 7.6 GB free on MyDocs (not relevant)
13:33.41Kabouik__Oh, so I need to free up some space in /home. What is the most space consuming there?
13:34.12Kabouik__I don't really know how it got full, I mostly use space reserved in MyDocs
13:34.18Hurrianusually, only config files, texts/IMs, contacts and tracker databases are stored there.
13:34.40Hurrianif you have terminal, run 'du -h' on /home to see the biggest space wasters
13:34.51Kabouik__Oh, so the issue is probably with texts then. Crap, didn't want to clear them.
13:35.17HurrianYou can export them before deleting if you want to archive them.
13:35.40HurrianThe export process is really, really buggy, and will test your patience, but it works.
13:36.01Kabouik__You're not selling that option right :P
13:36.15HurrianI restore the database to an Android phone, and then back it up to Evernote, now it's human readable and searchable :P
13:36.35Hurrianhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83166
13:37.06Kabouik__I have no Android phone unfortunately. Nokia Suite can't backup the texts and mms?
13:37.50HurrianIt can, as part of the 'backup' option, but the data'll be stuck in Nokia Suite (eww!)
13:38.03Kabouik__Yeah, does not sound god
13:38.04Kabouik__good
13:39.49Kabouik__I'll give a try to SMS Backup and Restore
13:40.13HurrianI've gotten into the habit of just backing up texts occasionally then nuking the database occasionally since the Messaging app gets sloooooooooooooooooooow after a few thousand SMSes.
13:40.43Kabouik__By the way, DropCache says I have only 9 mb free out of 985 for "Memory". What "Memory" is this about? Just above Swap.
13:41.12HurrianThat's free memory, stuff the system is 100% not using.
13:41.43Kabouik__I don't understand if I have 9 free Mb, or 976. The gaucge is misleading
13:41.46HurrianIt means jack on a mobile system - MeeGo caches libraries to memory to reduce launch times
13:43.06HurrianThe only thing you should be worried about is "active" memory, which unless you're running a game or have 20 windows open in the browser, hovers somewhere around 512 MB.
13:43.49Kabouik__here can I check active memory?
13:43.53Kabouik__Where*
13:44.05Hurrian'top' in terminal.
13:44.20Hurrianit is very hard to fill 1GB of RAM on the phone.
13:44.28Hurrianplus, most users have ramzswap enabled, so there's that
13:44.39HurrianI wouldn't lose sleep over it, unlike on the N900.
13:45.00Kabouik__Only have 140000K free; 5 apps running (Mtermite, Opera, DropCache, Sms, Alarm)
13:45.45Hurrian116324k free with /nothing/ running besides Terminal.
13:46.04HurrianProbably just some more caching done by booster - I've got around 2 months of uptime ;)
13:46.39Kabouik__Ok
13:46.48Kabouik__And by the way, I don't think I have ramzswap enabled. :o
13:47.04Kabouik__I'm reading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83731, but never did that on N9 I think
13:47.25auenfwhen a 4yr old borrows my phone, i'm sure when i get it back the ram would be quite full
13:47.27Hurrianit's actually default on the N9.
13:47.33Kabouik__Ah.
13:47.35Hurrian'cat /proc/swaps'
13:47.40auenfpretty much every game on the phone is left running open :P
13:56.10*** join/#harmattan arcean (~arcean@apn-31-2-38-73.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl)
13:56.42Kabouik__http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83166 I don't get where is the GUI fork. I followed the line, installed the deb, but I have no shortcut on homescreen so I doubt there is a GUI.
13:57.08Kabouik__link, not line*
14:02.22Kabouik__Is there a .deb package for the GUI fork?
14:07.54*** join/#harmattan bef0rd (~bef0rd@unaffiliated/beford)
14:15.24Kabouik__Well, unfortunately the smsbackuprestore tool doesn't work for me, says libqtcontacts-tracker: queue.ccp:104: The task queue's background thread stalled
14:15.43Kabouik__And the .csv file is of 0 b size
14:17.24*** join/#harmattan gabriel9 (~quassel@9-133-241-92-ptp-stat.customer.blic.net)
14:45.24*** join/#harmattan Pali (~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali)
14:50.05*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@192.194.199.35)
14:51.29*** join/#harmattan Martix_ (~martix@eduroam-104.fi.muni.cz)
15:01.51*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@192.194.199.35)
15:25.03*** join/#harmattan Eztran (~Eztran@212.183.128.190)
15:33.35*** join/#harmattan Anden (~Anden@unaffiliated/anden)
15:34.38*** join/#harmattan anonfriese (~anonfries@p5481BE8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
15:41.35*** join/#harmattan jmlich (jmlich@nat/redhat/x-martmlvprxectirl)
15:44.20*** join/#harmattan lbt_ (~david@78-32-229-233.static.enta.net)
15:44.20*** join/#harmattan lbt_ (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt)
15:59.33*** join/#harmattan jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-avmkywgukemnckvc)
16:17.56*** join/#harmattan Eztran (~Eztran@31.205.78.122)
16:21.46*** join/#harmattan amizraa (~amizraa@gateway/tor-sasl/amizraa)
16:29.17*** join/#harmattan NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD29D4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
16:31.44*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9 (~trigpoint@31.115.27.205)
16:36.29*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@192.194.199.35)
16:39.26*** join/#harmattan gabriel9 (~gabriel9@72-71-246-188-bl.cable.dyn.broadband.blic.net)
16:40.01*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@78-32-229-233.static.enta.net)
16:40.01*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt)
16:51.59*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@78-32-229-233.static.enta.net)
16:51.59*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt)
16:55.42*** join/#harmattan khertan (~khertan@AAmiens-555-1-11-111.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr)
16:56.49*** join/#harmattan jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-bufmnmnbdbqvgkfm)
17:12.52*** join/#harmattan liar (~liar@83.175.90.24)
17:23.11*** join/#harmattan Rimas (~Rimas@91.106.106.56)
17:30.57*** join/#harmattan VDVsx (~VDVsx@a88-114-88-95.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
17:32.51*** join/#harmattan khertan (~khertan@AAmiens-555-1-11-111.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr)
17:40.52*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9_ (~trigpoint@0540094e.skybroadband.com)
17:59.33*** join/#harmattan fk_lx (~filipk@80-238-75-200.internetia.net.pl)
18:00.55*** join/#harmattan jreznik (jreznik@nat/redhat/x-vpqakxhpsxxlwnbt)
18:02.29*** join/#harmattan Pat_o (~pat@rob92-9-88-161-114-92.fbx.proxad.net)
18:05.35*** join/#harmattan Martix_ (~martix@dhcp-227-236.eduroam.muni.cz)
18:09.37*** join/#harmattan Rimas (~Rimas@37.44.33.10)
18:10.42*** join/#harmattan gabriel9 (~gabriel9@72-71-246-188-bl.cable.dyn.broadband.blic.net)
18:16.44*** join/#harmattan gabriel9 (~gabriel9@72-71-246-188-bl.cable.dyn.broadband.blic.net)
18:28.01*** join/#harmattan Rimas (~Rimas@37.44.33.13)
19:06.21*** join/#harmattan Sfiet_Konstantin (~sk@AMontsouris-153-1-96-243.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr)
19:25.25*** join/#harmattan oozbooz (~ob@72.5.199.254)
19:25.54*** part/#harmattan oozbooz (~ob@72.5.199.254)
19:29.18*** join/#harmattan Venemo_N9 (~venemo@netacc-gpn-7-142-159.pool.telenor.hu)
19:29.19*** join/#harmattan Venemo_N9 (~venemo@fedora/Venemo)
19:50.45*** join/#harmattan Martix_ (~martix@static-84-242-103-180.net.upcbroadband.cz)
19:59.41*** join/#harmattan sledges_ (~sledges@cpc18-hawk13-2-0-cust197.18-1.cable.virginm.net)
20:04.07*** join/#harmattan chem|st_ (~chemist@svn.unix-ag.uni-kl.de)
20:09.34*** join/#harmattan Venemo_ (~communi@80.99.56.188)
20:09.36*** join/#harmattan Venemo_ (~communi@fedora/Venemo)
20:09.36*** join/#harmattan MikaT (~mtapoja@projects.sse.fi)
20:11.17*** join/#harmattan Venemo_ (~communi@fedora/Venemo)
20:30.35*** join/#harmattan ortylp (~ortylp@HSI-KBW-078-043-152-218.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de)
20:32.18*** join/#harmattan rashm2k (~rm@cpc7-walt13-2-0-cust361.13-2.cable.virginm.net)
20:46.05*** join/#harmattan artemma (~artem@a88-114-226-142.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
20:52.15*** join/#harmattan faenil (~faenil@85-156-186-173.elisa-mobile.fi)
20:58.18*** join/#harmattan Hurrian (~textual@unaffiliated/rikanee)
21:19.34*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9__ (~trigpoint@178.99.91.95)
21:33.31*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9___ (~trigpoint@2.27.60.125)
21:51.36*** join/#harmattan beford (~frod@unaffiliated/beford)
21:53.28*** join/#harmattan M4rtinK (~M4rtinK@ip-89-177-125-59.net.upcbroadband.cz)
22:15.52*** join/#harmattan tonyoy_ (~tonyoy@cor13-3-88-164-147-63.fbx.proxad.net)
22:21.45*** join/#harmattan tomyri (~tomyri@dsl-trebrasgw2-50de94-64.dhcp.inet.fi)
22:40.52*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9____ (~trigpoint@31.103.34.61)
23:00.02*** join/#harmattan rashm2k (~rm@cpc7-walt13-2-0-cust361.13-2.cable.virginm.net)
23:11.01*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@78-32-229-233.static.enta.net)
23:11.01*** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt)
23:12.45*** join/#harmattan Dante_J (~marco@a82-6.nat.uq.edu.au)
23:16.09*** join/#harmattan trigpoint_n9____ (~trigpoint@0540094e.skybroadband.com)

Generated by irclog2html.pl Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot.