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| 03:27.03 | gambitrex | hello |
| 03:27.11 | gambitrex | 911, is anyone there? |
| 03:27.31 | gambitrex | I got a big, strange problem with my N9 |
| 03:29.06 | SpeedEvil | > |
| 03:29.08 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 03:29.49 | gambitrex | hmm some strange things started to happen a couple of days ago |
| 03:30.16 | gambitrex | all started with my SMS, coming multple times |
| 03:30.48 | gambitrex | then, my call list, and messages list weren't refreshed anymore |
| 03:31.19 | gambitrex | for example, when I got a call, it didnt appear in the Phone app anymore |
| 03:31.35 | gambitrex | nor new SMS, which is very annoying. |
| 03:32.03 | gambitrex | I tried to reboot a few times, and it somehow worked |
| 03:32.09 | gambitrex | for the first times |
| 03:32.34 | gambitrex | but then, after a reboot, my apps "went out" the folders, in desktop |
| 03:32.46 | gambitrex | the folders are still there, empty |
| 03:32.59 | gambitrex | (sounds crazy, right?) |
| 03:34.40 | gambitrex | I thought it was a tracker problem, so I had the "brilliant idea": why not hard-reset it (soft-reset didn't work) |
| 03:34.57 | gambitrex | that's when I lost all my contacts and SMS. |
| 03:35.52 | gambitrex | (before hard-reseting, my videos and music files weren't being refreshed -- I tried to delete some videos, but it was still being shown in "Videos" app) |
| 03:38.28 | gambitrex | so, that's where my questions begin. First of all, in /home/user/.contacts where are two files, tracker and trackerRelationshipCache. Is there any way I can use them to restore my contacts |
| 03:38.31 | gambitrex | ? |
| 03:44.08 | gambitrex | OK, so an easier one: Is there any way to import contacts from Nokia Account directly from my N9? I know there's an option Import Account > Online Service, but seems like it's not working for me |
| 03:44.57 | gambitrex | also, if I try to sync with Nokia Account, there's any chance I lost my data on the cloud? There is any way to stick with the Nokia account data, and not with N9 (which is none) data? |
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| 04:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like disk-full and/or database corruption. alas I can't answer any of your questions |
| 04:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly even fs-corruption |
| 04:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia had the "brilliant" idea to push tracker abuse to the max on HARM and store complete mails in there, and contacts and whatnot, afaik |
| 04:45.52 | gambitrex | yeah, everything seems strange. application data seems full, but I cant delet .qmf (taking more than 1GB) |
| 04:46.25 | gambitrex | says error "read-oly fs" |
| 04:46.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that sounds like fs-corruption then |
| 04:46.44 | gambitrex | and none of my accounts (email, fb, twitter) is working now. |
| 04:46.55 | gambitrex | also, some apps crash |
| 04:46.55 | gambitrex | damn. |
| 04:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | on fremantle I'd suggest a data backup and reflash |
| 04:47.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | df -h |
| 04:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I bet some apps that want to write to a file will crash |
| 04:47.53 | gambitrex | aegisfs with 96% |
| 04:48.25 | gambitrex | dmesg shows some ext4 errors |
| 04:48.29 | gambitrex | seems u right |
| 04:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly nothing a complete reflash can't cure |
| 04:48.30 | gambitrex | >( |
| 04:49.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | but don't listen to me, I didn't touch any HARM device for >1 year |
| 04:49.46 | gambitrex | haha. But yeah, seems my fs is corrupted. |
| 04:49.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | gives me headache |
| 04:50.16 | gambitrex | damn, I have got so many apps, so many tweaks, so many things customized. |
| 04:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet though when you try to fix it with fsck then something else goes bonkers, like maybe aegis |
| 04:51.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | also you probably *cannot* run fsck on it, since fs mounted |
| 04:51.13 | gambitrex | yeah |
| 04:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | du /|sort -n |
| 04:52.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | try deleting the hugest file you find that looks fishy |
| 04:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | or ignore me and wait til somebody pops up who can really help. I'm just babbling |
| 04:53.10 | gambitrex | just thinking of everything I have set up in one year and a half. It gives me headache. |
| 04:53.29 | gambitrex | plenty of IO error |
| 04:53.31 | gambitrex | hmm.. |
| 04:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | I stopped enjoying that headache >1 year ago |
| 04:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck! |
| 04:55.07 | gambitrex | thanks man. Tomorrow I am gonna backup my data and reflash it. it's almost 3am in Brazil |
| 04:55.53 | gambitrex | (sadly, perharps I get a S3 or S4 mini. :\ ) |
| 05:10.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange, only 3h difference brazil to CET? |
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| 05:59.01 | thedead1440_ | gambitrex: you can delete the .qmf folder as user in terminal not as root iirc. Most probably due to your emails being stored there, it has led to application storage becoming full and the resulting issues cropping up. Re nokia account I would advice to hold and fix the storage issues before proceeding. If in open mode you could use ubiboot and export all partitions to your PC before boot hence allowing you to fix anything as you would |
| 05:59.01 | thedead1440_ | on a regular PC. |
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| 06:57.22 | Dante_J | sorry, typo. |
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| 11:36.11 | gambitrex | thedead1440_: thanks for your suggestion. I tried already as user, then as root, then reboot and tried again like 5 times. My .qmf folder simply does not get removed. :( |
| 11:37.01 | thedead1440_ | gambitrex: use opensh, ariadnesh or opensudo to get escalated privileges to do it then |
| 11:37.12 | gambitrex | thedead1440_: I believe there's a problem with my fs, since a lot of stuff is getting removed. I lost several app (including stock apps, such as facebook and twitter) |
| 11:37.50 | gambitrex | thedead1440_: I dont believe it's gonna work, because it's getting an filesystem error, not permission error |
| 11:37.59 | gambitrex | but I will try anyways |
| 11:38.06 | gambitrex | nothing to lose, huh :) |
| 11:38.54 | thedead1440_ | Ah didn't see u saying about getting a filesystem error |
| 11:38.59 | gambitrex | just finishing the backup (using qtweak to download/cache my apps) |
| 11:39.19 | gambitrex | let me try to delete again so I can paste you the exactly error |
| 11:39.22 | gambitrex | hold on |
| 11:40.54 | thedead1440_ | Ok |
| 11:41.24 | gambitrex | wow, it.. worked! |
| 11:41.32 | gambitrex | wtf?! |
| 11:42.04 | gambitrex | there is something really really strange with my N9. haha. |
| 11:42.23 | gambitrex | When I woke up today, lots of apps were missing. Also ALL my accounts disapeared. |
| 11:42.26 | gambitrex | everything. |
| 11:43.26 | gambitrex | also, my 3rd "desktop" (the one which shows notifications), is empty -- not regular empty, it's... clear. nothing. |
| 11:44.19 | gambitrex | also, all my terminal history was gone. |
| 11:44.54 | mgedmin | any errors in dmesg? |
| 11:45.41 | gambitrex | yestarday, a lot of ext4 errors. let me check agaun |
| 11:45.43 | gambitrex | again* |
| 11:47.25 | gambitrex | there are a lot of entries onenand_wait.. seems like my EMMC is corrupted -> http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-87247.html |
| 11:49.10 | gambitrex | also, in the morning, my N9 didn't turn on. It vibrates, then black screen. It took me a while to get it on (the battery was full!) |
| 11:49.41 | gambitrex | but checking dmesg, since yestarday I don't receive more ext4 errors |
| 11:49.54 | gambitrex | can it be a signal that my N9 is dying? |
| 11:50.01 | gambitrex | or is it just corrupted fs? |
| 11:50.44 | mgedmin | dunno |
| 11:50.55 | mgedmin | but filesystems generally don't just corrupt themselves for no reason... |
| 11:51.08 | mgedmin | anything about read/write errors from the underlying eMMC device? |
| 11:51.09 | gambitrex | mgedmin: yeah, that's what I am afraid of |
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| 11:54.33 | gambitrex | not that I can find... |
| 11:54.36 | gambitrex | however: EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
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| 11:57.42 | gambitrex | which says nothing, right? it's only a warning to check fs after XXX mounts. |
| 12:08.32 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:12.05 | gambitrex | well, I am backing up my .debs, and after finish it, I will flash my N9. :( |
| 12:13.36 | mgedmin | the flash on my N950 failed once |
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| 12:13.54 | mgedmin | showed up as filesystem error, bits getting remounted read-only |
| 12:14.08 | mgedmin | I tried reflashing, the process failed in the middle with a write error |
| 12:14.13 | mgedmin | after which it wouldn't boot, obviously |
| 12:14.15 | mgedmin | had to return it |
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| 12:18.21 | gambitrex | mgedmin: you sir, are freaking me out. |
| 12:18.30 | gambitrex | mgedmin: :S |
| 12:19.52 | gambitrex | damn, if anything happens, I gonna miss my N9. |
| 12:20.59 | mgedmin | mine died a few months ago |
| 12:21.02 | mgedmin | (temporarily) |
| 12:21.15 | mgedmin | (power button stopped working -- lack of physical contact somewhere?) |
| 12:21.33 | mgedmin | it's no fun when you can't lock your phone before putting it in a pocket |
| 12:21.59 | mgedmin | anyway, it was under warrantly (< 24 months since date of manufacture), but took a couple of weeks to repair |
| 12:22.09 | mgedmin | and I couldn't live without a smartphone, so got myself a Nexus 4 |
| 12:22.28 | mgedmin | then got my N9 back, put it in a drawer, and forgot about it |
| 12:22.38 | mgedmin | it was cool, but new hardware is noticeably faster |
| 12:24.11 | deram | there is at least shakelock app available.. I think I saw app that just locks phone when icon clicked also.. |
| 12:24.15 | gambitrex | well, warranty of my n9 is expired. |
| 12:24.46 | gambitrex | and yeah, I can't live without a smartphone. If mine could last at least two months, I can get a Jolla. |
| 12:24.58 | gambitrex | if not, I'm gonna try Android. |
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| 12:48.31 | gambitrex | feeling guilty for droping my N9 twice last week. |
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| 13:10.54 | thedead1440_ | gambitrex: the onenand thing can be ignored. Search for it on tmo to see why it comes about... Iirc it is simply wear and tear of flash memory |
| 13:13.10 | gambitrex | thedead1440_: oh OK. just finished the .deb backup, copying it to my PC and then will reflash it. |
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| 14:33.26 | gambitrex | just finished flashing |
| 14:33.28 | gambitrex | no errors |
| 14:33.31 | gambitrex | :) |
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| 14:49.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 14:49.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I just ordered a new toy to destroy |
| 14:50.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | and OF COURSE they managed to once more send HTML-only mail which ends in my spam folder per default |
| 14:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't give me hopes for jolla to get anything sorted when they haven't even heard of multipart-alternative yet |
| 14:53.09 | rigo_ | DocScrutinizer05, all higher value email (e.g. airline confirmation) is crappy unsecure html email and I wonder why |
| 14:53.31 | rigo_ | and nobody ever suggested to make a Specification and fix HTML emails |
| 14:53.41 | rigo_ | except glazou |
| 14:54.08 | mgedmin | what's worse than text/html email? multipart/alternative with a badly rendered and useless text/plain part |
| 14:54.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | why? |
| 14:54.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | goes to spam as well |
| 14:55.17 | rigo_ | DocScrutinizer05, looks like your spamfilter is pretty much whitelist only :) |
| 14:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 14:55.53 | rigo_ | is very happy with CRM114 |
| 14:56.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that means |
| 14:56.28 | mgedmin | why? because my mutt auto-renders text/html into *usable* plain text with w3m -dump, but multipart/alternative turns that off |
| 14:56.44 | mgedmin | (CRM114 is a tool to build spam filters) |
| 14:57.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats, I hope it even executes JS |
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| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course it downloads embedded 1*1px "cookie" images? |
| 14:57.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | alows cross site scripting? |
| 14:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | auto-opens malwar attachments? |
| 14:58.46 | mgedmin | nah, I'm too lazy to implement all those features |
| 14:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah I see ;-P |
| 14:59.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | so it renders html but does NOT download any non-attached pictures |
| 14:59.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | for sure looks great |
| 15:00.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | and spammers still will love you ;-D |
| 15:04.09 | rigo_ | kmail is a pain, but it does html mail correctly without downloading stuff and without JS |
| 15:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'm concerned though - isn't nowadays JS mandatory for HTML, or you won't get any useful result? This doesn't apply to HTML-mail? |
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| 15:04.39 | rigo_ | DocScrutinizer05, depending on the version you're using |
| 15:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | rigo_: *my* kmail moves html-only mail to spamfolder |
| 15:04.54 | rigo_ | HTML5 is all about EcmaScript |
| 15:05.05 | rigo_ | HTML4 can be used without |
| 15:05.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | *can* |
| 15:05.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah |
| 15:05.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like jolla *can* send multipart/alternative |
| 15:05.53 | rigo_ | the securest browser ever: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/Amaya.html |
| 15:06.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but watching their website, I don't think they plan to do either |
| 15:06.05 | rigo_ | :) |
| 15:06.41 | rigo_ | oh, jolla is the only alternative if you want a privacy friendly phone. And they are doing all their promo on Facebook |
| 15:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least the order page worked in konqueror (though with JS enabled) |
| 15:07.13 | rigo_ | ha, my favorite browser. Do you use the webkit part or the khtml part? |
| 15:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I prefer a string phone ;-P |
| 15:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | webkit :-/ |
| 15:07.35 | rigo_ | l....... |
| 15:08.10 | rigo_ | is vailliantly facing the web with pure khtml :) |
| 15:08.24 | rigo_ | nahhh... |
| 15:08.49 | rigo_ | for w3.org it khtml works pretty well, for the rest, I switch browsers as I see fit |
| 15:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | I gonna change back to khtml eventually, none of the "tools2 work with webkit |
| 15:09.18 | rigo_ | I especially like the fish protocol in konqi |
| 15:12.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | all "tools"->"HTML settings"->* doesn't work with webkit X-( |
| 15:12.44 | rigo_ | hmmm, does the archiver work at least? |
| 15:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't think so |
| 15:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the thing that creates .war ? |
| 15:13.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | It seems gone |
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| 15:14.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE4 for (or from) the losers, realy |
| 15:15.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE3 redone by web programmers (sorry to any web programmers in here) |
| 15:15.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | and don't get me started about akonadi |
| 15:16.02 | rigo_ | yep, KDE4 was a long painful walk. I started with KDE 1.1 and 4.0 - 4.10 were really painful |
| 15:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | POS |
| 15:16.25 | rigo_ | 4.11 works rather well, including the nepomuk stuff |
| 15:16.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeeeek |
| 15:16.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, maybe time for yet another update |
| 15:16.56 | rigo_ | but you need 4 core 8GBRAM and an SSD |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | after full disk image# |
| 15:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | good, got exactly that |
| 15:17.21 | rigo_ | tip: do that before the WE and leave it alone indexing over the WE |
| 15:17.47 | rigo_ | it hammers your CPU over 3 days (at least) to index everything |
| 15:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, been there done that |
| 15:18.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | importing my mails into new kmail took like 30h |
| 15:18.33 | rigo_ | but the improvements done by Vishesh make the search solid and lightning fast |
| 15:18.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | gail akonadi |
| 15:18.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | hail even |
| 15:19.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | what an abomination |
| 15:19.06 | rigo_ | yep, and my preferred bug was only fixed in 11.4 |
| 15:19.29 | rigo_ | they did not refresh correctly, so you had to start kmail to see new email |
| 15:19.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHAT? |
| 15:19.52 | rigo_ | wait... looking for URI |
| 15:20.09 | rigo_ | and this because of a borken plasma think that indicated how much new mail you have |
| 15:20.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | BWAHAHAHA |
| 15:20.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | plasma - yet another POS |
| 15:21.00 | rigo_ | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312460 |
| 15:21.42 | rigo_ | needs more coffee |
| 15:27.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | needs coffee |
| 15:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seen that too before I downgraded to some hacked up 1.98467534 kmail version |
| 15:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | kmail2 and akonadi are poisonous |
| 15:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | pondering to switch to SLED |
| 15:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't think suse would let such crap kreep in to their professional distro |
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| 16:09.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | rigo_: thanks for this pointer to kde ticket. Pretty disappointing and discouraging read though |
| 16:10.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | this bug ruins mail for zillions of users of kmail2 since 10 months now |
| 16:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | has potential to kill businesses |
| 16:12.19 | gambitrex | hey, I am back. Everything seems OK with my N9 so far -- which is great news :) |
| 16:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
| 16:13.37 | gambitrex | Q: Some time ago, I used inception in my N9 to install some "untrusted" packages. But now we have openrepos (didn't take a deep look though). Does that replaces the "need" of doing inception or open mode? |
| 16:13.53 | gambitrex | *for installing unsigned/untrusted packages only |
| 16:14.43 | gambitrex | I know I may still need open mode for installing Nitdroid |
| 16:14.59 | Eztran | Not really. Trusted repo + opensudo does to an extent. |
| 16:15.06 | gambitrex | but currently, what is the best option? inception/open mode/ others |
| 16:16.10 | Eztran | Openmode's pretty great. |
| 16:16.12 | thedead1440 | gambitrex: if you don't need device lock i would suggest simply using open mode with juiceme's fix for applauncherd to prevent applications from closing when dpkg is running... |
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| 16:17.45 | gambitrex | thedead1440: hmm.. I gonna need device lock... you know, jealous girlfriend... :P |
| 16:18.15 | thedead1440 | haha then open mode with open sudo and coderus' trusted repo should be the way forward :D |
| 16:18.28 | thedead1440 | s/open mode/closed mode/ |
| 16:18.50 | gambitrex | thedead1440: lol tks |
| 16:20.28 | gambitrex | gonna spend some time until configure my n9 as it was (just figure that restore backup does not works to me -- some restricted ui plugin I had mess it all), but I am very optimist now. \o/ |
| 16:20.32 | gambitrex | Thank you all! |
| 16:20.44 | gambitrex | really appreciate your help/time/guessing |
| 16:20.46 | gambitrex | :) |
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| 16:25.37 | gambitrex | if anyone is coming to Brazil next year, let me know, so we can drink a beer :o) |
| 16:29.16 | rigo_ | DocScrutinizer05, this bug was present since KDE 4.7 and 4.4 until 4.8 were more or less unusable. So either stick with debian stable and 4.3 or directly go to 4.11. I would wait for 4.11.4 as it has the bug fixed. 4.11.4 is supposed to be released on 3 Dec. I use opensuse KR11 repos |
| 16:30.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 16:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | KDE 4.8.5 :-S |
| 16:31.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | but kmail is a downgarde, as I mentioned before |
| 16:31.54 | rigo_ | in this case update to 4.11.3 immediately. This is a different world |
| 16:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | this would kill my kmail custom build |
| 16:32.27 | rigo_ | either use KR411 or suse 13.1 which also has KDE 4.11 |
| 16:32.50 | rigo_ | used it to configure clean machine to go to china |
| 16:32.56 | rigo_ | worked very well |
| 16:33.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I nuked my mail 3 times (incl the archive) during january/february |
| 16:33.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to kmail/kde4 |
| 16:33.22 | rigo_ | uuuhhh oooohh, I have switched to imap for that reason |
| 16:33.38 | rigo_ | they did not manage yet to destroy imap folders |
| 16:33.41 | rigo_ | :-/ |
| 16:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't do that |
| 16:34.05 | rigo_ | even local imap server helps already ... |
| 16:34.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have like 10 mail accounts, and ~300k of archived mails (#, not bytes) |
| 16:34.33 | rigo_ | I have more |
| 16:34.35 | rigo_ | :) |
| 16:34.59 | rigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.22 | rigo_ | that's why it takes 3 days to index :) |
| 16:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I don't even know how many bytes this is |
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| 16:35.37 | rigo_ | DocScrutinizer05: du -h * ? |
| 16:35.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ??? |
| 16:36.14 | rigo_ | mail is in a folder, you just du the folder |
| 16:36.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | the ONE folder? haha |
| 16:36.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I moved across 4 machines with that mail |
| 16:37.02 | rigo_ | ahh, I have one folder and 1mio subfolders, so I'm just better organized :) |
| 16:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have ~.kde3/* |
| 16:37.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and several other backups, even under other user accounts |
| 16:37.46 | rigo_ | nooooo! I'm feeling the pain :-o |
| 16:38.05 | rigo_ | has everything in some /Mail |
| 16:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I don't care how much bytes this is, I'm just served by seeing "300000 mails" |
| 16:38.40 | rigo_ | I do NOT trust any .kde folder as you have to remove them from time to time |
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| 16:39.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | and then you "upgrade" to anohter kmail version and POOOF again all filters and subfolders and everything nuked |
| 16:39.33 | rigo_ | there is a function of "export filters" |
| 16:39.51 | rigo_ | in the next version you can re-import those filters |
| 16:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I never removed any .kde folder, I as weel could run over my PC with a lorry |
| 16:40.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | there is ~1 man year of configuration and tweaking work in those .kde folders |
| 16:40.49 | rigo_ | uhh, don't upgrade :) |
| 16:45.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | as well* |
| 16:46.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that's basically what I do |
| 16:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | bott-nagger sitting in systray since months (since 2 kernel updtaes to be correct) |
| 16:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | boot* |
| 16:47.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | saturn:/ # uptime |
| 16:47.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.34 | rigo_ | switches computers off because of energy consumption |
| 17:05.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't have periods of no use that are long enough to even consider switching it off |
| 17:06.27 | rigo_ | is not compiling, so no presence and the computer is bored => switch off |
| 17:11.19 | deram | I use suspend to ram where it's applicable.. |
| 17:12.08 | deram | servers stay on allways, desktops suspends when not in use.. |
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| 17:52.10 | gambitrex | Ok, after some installations (including coderus' opensudo), I have some questions about opensudo |
| 17:52.56 | gambitrex | in coderus' post, it says: |
| 17:53.11 | gambitrex | #installing package with privileges from file: sudo aegis-dpkg -i packagename |
| 17:53.16 | gambitrex | #installing package with privileges from any repository: sudo aegis-apt-get install packagename |
| 17:53.37 | gambitrex | but there's no aegis-apt-get nor aegis-dpkg binary |
| 17:53.45 | gambitrex | :S |
| 17:54.34 | gambitrex | also, when I try to install [system-ui-brightness]: |
| 17:54.34 | gambitrex | The following packages have unmet dependencies: system-ui-brightness: Depends: unrestricted-system-ui |
| 17:55.02 | gambitrex | and there's no package unrestricted-system-ui in coderus' repository. Any idea? |
| 17:56.01 | gambitrex | well, there's the .deb alone: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91170 |
| 17:56.23 | gambitrex | Why didn't he put this package in his repository? :S any thoughts? |
| 17:58.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | deram: my desktop is also a "server" |
| 17:58.29 | Eztran | gambitrex: The installation stuff turns up when you install opensudo, IIRC. I think unrestricted-system-ui stuff got moved? |
| 17:59.48 | Eztran | No, wait. Here's the aegis bit. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90750 |
| 18:00.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegispaegistragaegis |
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| 18:02.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | an educational masterpiece of "how to fsckup a whole linux system by a silly DRM enforcer disguised as `user protection´" |
| 18:02.19 | gambitrex | damn, that's complicated. lol |
| 18:02.33 | gambitrex | Eztran: thank you, let me read some more |
| 18:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and that's why I don't touch HARM anymore |
| 18:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | aegispaegis fscked it up, none of the tools you're used to as unix professional does work anymore |
| 18:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | and Nokia promised an openmode which everybody understood as "no need to bother about that aegis crap" - they didn't deliver |
| 18:08.35 | Eztran | True. Openmode still has aegis, it's just been crippled a bit. |
| 18:10.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 18:10.16 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 18:11.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | THIRD PARTY software that requires a safe (FROM USER TEMPERING WITH IT) execution environment |
| 18:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | not exactly any better than tivo |
| 18:12.26 | gambitrex | so how about Sailfish? does it is openmode? |
| 18:13.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | it allegedly has no aegis. But then AFAIK it's *based* on android closed stuff on system level |
| 18:13.29 | anonfriese_ | android stuff on system level? really |
| 18:13.37 | anonfriese_ | i thought it was just mer on system level... |
| 18:13.49 | Eztran | Hardware implementation. |
| 18:16.38 | rigo_ | :( |
| 18:17.00 | rigo_ | I thought they would not tap into android as I don't like android for various reasons |
| 18:17.56 | rigo_ | security model, privacy controls are only a few of them |
| 18:18.14 | rigo_ | reaction time, display, battery lifetime ... |
| 18:18.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's not the level sailfish/jolla is exploiting android stuff though |
| 18:18.28 | gambitrex | Eztran: I hate being so dumb. Seems like things never work easily for me on Harmattan. I have installed the .deb as coderus instructions, but there's still no unrestricted-ui! :( |
| 18:19.00 | gambitrex | now I have aegis-apt-get, aegis-dpkg and aegis-install |
| 18:19.18 | gambitrex | shouldn't unrestricted-ui be installed with that hack? |
| 18:19.51 | Eztran | Nah, that just lets you install with correct privileges from untrusted repos. |
| 18:20.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | which you will need badly once Nokia pulls the plug of the original harmattan system repo |
| 18:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | planned obsolescence at its finest |
| 18:22.20 | gambitrex | that is so confusing to me. Please bear with me, I will recall everything I have done so far |
| 18:22.42 | Eztran | TBH, I did think the trusted repo had the system-ui packages in it. Looks like it might've been moved somewhere? I think they were working on getting openrepos trusted, might be related... Anyway, N9QTweak always kinda had the simplest way to do it, IMO. |
| 18:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ cya |
| 18:23.05 | gambitrex | BEFORE: inception + install unrestricted-ui .deb + install plugins (show BT, brightness, and so on) |
| 18:23.59 | gambitrex | NOW (after reflash the phone): trusted repository + openmode + aegis hacks |
| 18:24.30 | gambitrex | but where do I get the restricted-ui? the same way as before (installing dpkg -i <unrestricted-ui deb>)? |
| 18:24.49 | gambitrex | shouldn't it be within coderus' repository? |
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| 18:25.34 | gambitrex | Eztran: I see. I can try to install N9QTweak, but I just want to understand what is happening here... |
| 18:26.12 | gambitrex | Eztran: actually, I *will* install qtweak later anyway... |
| 18:28.04 | Eztran | gambitrex: Well, if you want to do it manually anyway, looks like the package's still in the thread, talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91170 |
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| 19:43.32 | keithzg | Hmm, I'm about to try and follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot, and I see reference to having to remove the "Scary Warranty Warning" "before entering open mode", but I see (and haven't been able to find) what steps I'd need to take to do so. |
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| 19:49.13 | Eztran | keithzg: from a closed-mode install: 'disclaimer-cal remove View-openmode'. |
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| 19:54.59 | keithzg | Eztran: Aha, thanks |
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