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| 04:12.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I wonder why nobody has installed a *real* linux FOSS OS on N9 |
| 04:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | epen plain debian can't be worse than all that twisted stuff to work around aegis |
| 04:12.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | even* |
| 04:13.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably rather use emacs-dialer than aegis-sudo and whatnot |
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| 06:26.58 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: nemo isn't FOSS enough? |
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| 06:52.24 | coderus | juiceme: ping |
| 07:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: when it's based on closed blobs android hardware abstraction layer then I for sure wouldn't consider it FOSS enough (for whatever standards of "FOSS enough") |
| 07:08.41 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: sorry what? |
| 07:09.29 | dm8tbr | nemo does not use android HAL on the N9/N950 AFAIK |
| 07:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | right, on N9 it shouldn't since there prolly isn't any such thing |
| 07:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | if there's such thing like nemo on N9, no idea |
| 07:11.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I don't get your question |
| 07:11.13 | dm8tbr | obviously there is, that's where it all started (and on the N900) |
| 07:11.48 | dm8tbr | you were complaining about the lack of a FOSS userspace on the N9. The Nemo project provides exactly that. |
| 07:12.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was complaining? |
| 07:12.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | you have funny definitions of "to complain" |
| 07:13.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | paranoid? |
| 07:13.11 | dm8tbr | 04:12:05< DocScrutinizer05> tbh I wonder why nobody has installed a *real* linux FOSS OS on N9 |
| 07:13.14 | dm8tbr | 04:12:40< DocScrutinizer05> epen plain debian can't be worse than all that twisted stuff to work around aegis |
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| 11:16.00 | coderus | juiceme: just wanted to ask to package applauncher here :D |
| 11:19.09 | juiceme | Yes, I'll do it propably today. |
| 11:19.31 | juiceme | Now I've got lots of things to do @work |
| 11:19.51 | juiceme | and also am really nervously anticipating tomorrow :) :) |
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| 14:30.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | expecting what to happen? |
| 14:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | mud catching contest to get one of the first jolla series devices? |
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| 16:16.50 | valdur55 | gambitrex: Hey! When you want to see what N9QTweaks toehn then you have opportunity for that. Just open /opt/N9QTweak folder in filemanager/ terminal and start with START file. |
| 16:25.50 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, exactly. |
| 16:26.16 | juiceme | altough I think it will rather be freezing than muddy :) |
| 16:26.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think they told sth about jelly |
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| 16:27.09 | juiceme | really? The kind of you have wrestling matches in...? |
| 16:27.23 | juiceme | that'll be intresting |
| 16:27.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounded like that in that press release |
| 16:27.46 | juiceme | care to throw a link in? |
| 16:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I don't think that's interesting |
| 16:28.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, forgot about it, didn't bookmark either |
| 16:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I ragequit #jollamobile |
| 16:28.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so no idea, sorry |
| 16:28.41 | juiceme | okay... rather strange than intresting, to say really |
| 16:29.04 | juiceme | have not been on that channel |
| 16:29.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess on jolla.com/press you might find a link |
| 16:29.47 | juiceme | i'll try |
| 16:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not excited about a party somewhere in the north, a few 1000km away from where I live |
| 16:32.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd be more excited when Jolla finally got a proper wiki or whatever, to finally collect decent datasheets and specs and stuff, e.g. about the hw interface to other half |
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| 16:33.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the support infra is basically non-existent |
| 16:33.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | they simply point to other projects and sites |
| 16:34.00 | juiceme | I'd imagine that gets sorted out after the launch. |
| 16:34.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and expect their users to read twitter 24/7 to not miss announcements |
| 16:34.25 | juiceme | heh, I don't do twitter |
| 16:34.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | me neither |
| 16:34.36 | juiceme | not facebook |
| 16:34.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 16:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | so we're both out |
| 16:34.59 | juiceme | this so called social media is pest of our times |
| 16:35.10 | juiceme | IRC is enough for me |
| 16:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and yet it's Jolla's primary communication channel for about everything |
| 16:36.27 | flux | soo, I dropped my n9 to water :-). suggestions other than putting it to rice which I already did |
| 16:36.46 | flux | I suppose it's nice that it only lost SIM connectivity, it was still on when I grabbed it back.. |
| 16:37.17 | flux | time to get disassembly videos from internet? |
| 16:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm out. I wasn't interested in N9 for my every-day-companion-device, due to hw design and UI design decisions that didn't meet my priorities, and I'm not interested in Jolla that much for quite the same reasons |
| 16:37.27 | juiceme | flux, you'd need to remove the battery to be sure |
| 16:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | flux: forget rice |
| 16:37.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | disassemble it *immediately* and disconnect battery |
| 16:38.05 | juiceme | rice itself is no use. |
| 16:38.20 | flux | ok, I'll get the video running :). any shorter tutorial than this 22-minute dis&assembly-video? or go by the feel? |
| 16:38.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | then dry it on your heating (80°C) for at least 2 weeks, better 4 weeks |
| 16:38.33 | juiceme | yes, open up, remove battery connector (it is visible under the screen, white connector) |
| 16:39.02 | juiceme | I'd first rinse it with alcohol, before drying up |
| 16:39.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, good plan |
| 16:39.21 | juiceme | and it needs to be something pure, not vodka |
| 16:39.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | 98% pure alcohol |
| 16:39.27 | juiceme | yes |
| 16:39.51 | juiceme | if you do this immediately you have hope of rescuing it |
| 16:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:40.18 | juiceme | the problem with these "modern" devices is the non-user-removable barrery |
| 16:40.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | each hoer longer under battery voltage will do more damage though, before it *thoroughly* dried |
| 16:40.34 | juiceme | s/barrery/battery |
| 16:40.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | hour* |
| 16:40.48 | juiceme | exactly |
| 16:41.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has a bright side though: you got no more backup battery that's soldered to PCB |
| 16:41.30 | juiceme | true that |
| 16:43.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | disassembling N9 isn't exactly trivial. You'll need a video of about that length |
| 16:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | go by feel is probably no good idea |
| 16:44.11 | juiceme | yes. and for some reason people seem to break the 2 ribbon cables that go to the display easily. Never happened to me, though. |
| 16:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't disassemble my N9 yet, I gave up on it when calculating the goal versus the perceived difficulty |
| 16:45.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | since my goal been "just to have a look" |
| 16:45.14 | juiceme | :) |
| 16:45.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually that's enough to disassemble any device. Not on N9 though |
| 16:45.52 | flux | I've got it open |
| 16:46.04 | flux | so the battery connector is at the middle of the bottom part? |
| 16:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | the only other device in my life that was of same rare class that never got disassembled been my Sony Scoopman NT-1 |
| 16:46.23 | flux | almost no water is visible.. |
| 16:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | please watch the video |
| 16:46.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ! |
| 16:46.28 | juiceme | yes, it is a white connector near the middle of the device |
| 16:46.44 | juiceme | you need tweezers to remove it. |
| 16:47.02 | flux | push it toward the wire with tweezers? |
| 16:47.06 | juiceme | yes |
| 16:47.18 | juiceme | be careful of the 2 ribbon cables |
| 16:48.10 | flux | doesn't seem to budge. do I need to lift it up at all? |
| 16:49.31 | juiceme | did you check the video? |
| 16:49.41 | flux | well, it's not yet at that point :) |
| 16:50.20 | keithzg | Only problem I ever really have disassembling an N9 is re-seating the display afterwards. |
| 16:50.37 | keithzg | Granted, most of the time that's because the replacement displays never quite fit the same :( |
| 16:50.40 | flux | ok, now I see, lifting should do the trick |
| 16:51.45 | flux | great, first plastic tweezers clipped |
| 16:51.53 | juiceme | when you get the battery connector off, then you are not that hurry any more, the worst corrosive effect slows down a lot |
| 16:52.54 | juiceme | after that you can concentrate on washing/drying the device. and by washing I do not mean water, you need the 98% alcohol |
| 16:53.25 | flux | pouring alcohol over? |
| 16:54.20 | flux | I have some isopropyl alcohol |
| 16:54.21 | juiceme | yes |
| 16:54.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | iso should work |
| 16:54.44 | juiceme | it might be ok |
| 16:55.04 | flux | doesn't matter the battery is still in there? |
| 16:55.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it's 98% or better |
| 16:55.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 16:55.38 | flux | I think it was as pure as it gets, but the container has been opened a few times |
| 16:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe wait til you seen the whole video and disassembled the device and removed speakers and mic |
| 16:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | if the containes wasn't open too long then doesn't matter |
| 16:56.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | the pint is oure alcohol is pretty hygroscopic |
| 16:56.30 | juiceme | yes, that's better. I don't think the battery is a problem as it is hermetically closed AFAIK |
| 16:56.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | point* |
| 16:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not bet on that |
| 16:56.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (battery sealed) |
| 16:57.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | though, this type prolly is |
| 16:57.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | no prot circuit I guess |
| 16:58.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you probably better rinse the bare PCB, not the entire case incl electronic parts |
| 16:58.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | speakers even might break from rinsing them with alcohol |
| 16:59.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should just dry them carefully and thoroughly (and again, that means 4 weeks on the heating) |
| 17:00.21 | juiceme | I have not removed the PCB on my device, but I have heard people saying that the screws are pretty tight and it is easy to damage them if opening with wrong tool. |
| 17:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | figure a normal water bottle sitting open - how long will it take for the water to completely evaporate |
| 17:00.37 | flux | the first liquid location was under the battery, good I removed it :) |
| 17:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have, use a vacuum cleaner to remove water |
| 17:01.59 | juiceme | i'd imagine gently tapping with tissue like toilet paper would work well to remove most of the water |
| 17:02.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, next best after small vacuum cleaner |
| 17:02.32 | juiceme | the problem is the water you do not see, which gets sucked under the BGA chips by capillary action |
| 17:02.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't shake the device |
| 17:02.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 17:03.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it takes loooong to vanish |
| 17:03.05 | juiceme | the alcohol-rinse is to get that off from under the chips |
| 17:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | alcohol is not as corrosive and evaporates faster |
| 17:04.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and non conductive |
| 17:06.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and again: do *NOT* 2test" the device before you dried it for a really long time! |
| 17:07.27 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, just got mail from Win7Mac, where he explains the current election status |
| 17:07.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 17:07.48 | juiceme | I'm afraid I'll have to beg you to reconsider |
| 17:07.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | reconsider what? |
| 17:08.08 | juiceme | since there's only 3 candidates |
| 17:08.37 | juiceme | Well, you half-volunteered to re-run, in these coircumstances, right? |
| 17:08.57 | juiceme | or that is what I understood. |
| 17:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | only if at least one of the candidates shows that it's not again me to take care of everything like tracking mailing lists, timelines, whatnot else |
| 17:09.38 | juiceme | So I am asking you to volunteer so we may have enough candidates |
| 17:10.14 | juiceme | Yes, I understand you have invested massive amount of your time into it |
| 17:11.04 | juiceme | I am willing to do my part, but of coulse I cannot really know what I am sticking my head into, never been there |
| 17:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you applied already? |
| 17:11.24 | juiceme | yes |
| 17:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, send a mail to ML nominating me |
| 17:11.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | cc to my mail addr |
| 17:12.04 | juiceme | thank you, I'll do that |
| 17:12.57 | juiceme | said mail address being..? (send me a private msg, no need advertising it here) |
| 17:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | joerg at openmoko org |
| 17:13.14 | juiceme | ah, ok |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty public |
| 17:13.30 | juiceme | so is mine :) |
| 17:14.19 | juiceme | I've got such a nice spamfilters there I really rarely get anything even as my mail address is everywhere... just some folks are pretty secretive of theirs. |
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| 17:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | most spam right now comes in on council mail account ;-P |
| 17:15.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | some 2..5 per day |
| 17:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | warfare doing a great job, with xing infra backing it up |
| 17:16.27 | juiceme | yes, that's not too bad a ratio. |
| 17:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, given there's usuall max one true mail per week on average... |
| 17:17.33 | juiceme | :) |
| 17:17.34 | valdur55 | I found three used N900-s from Germandia. ( Estonian second hand mobiles reseller and fixer ) And price was 150€ |
| 17:17.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | for one or all trhee? |
| 17:18.08 | valdur55 | Per phone. |
| 17:18.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite pricey for second-hand |
| 17:18.22 | valdur55 | wops. or it was N950 |
| 17:18.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAHA |
| 17:18.51 | valdur55 | i don't remember. give me some time... |
| 17:19.08 | juiceme | valdur55, easy to confuse those :) :) |
| 17:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, since one goes for 100 the other for 1500 |
| 17:19.27 | valdur55 | Yea. N950 |
| 17:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | N950 for 150??? |
| 17:19.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | working condition? |
| 17:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | get them! |
| 17:20.10 | flux | so now that the process is complete, I should apply heat? |
| 17:20.20 | juiceme | well, that's what they are worth, really. It's olny the crazy collectors who drive up the prize... |
| 17:20.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | moderate heat |
| 17:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: indeed |
| 17:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | but how much worth is a tiny plastic figure? |
| 17:21.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | flux: you say you already competely disassembled and rinsed it? |
| 17:22.08 | flux | docscrutinizer05, yes |
| 17:22.15 | flux | though should I rinse it more thoroughly? |
| 17:22.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, you#re pretty fast |
| 17:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I'd rinse it ~30min |
| 17:22.34 | valdur55 | Damn.. i am confused... they might be 950 or 900 ... |
| 17:22.50 | flux | by 30 min mark my alcohol has probably evaporated :) |
| 17:22.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | valdur55: or chineses mockups |
| 17:23.13 | juiceme | valdur55, in reality they look quite different, if you see pictures |
| 17:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | flux: that#s OK |
| 17:24.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | flux: btw you might want to take a little bit of care about the microphones |
| 17:25.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik they are the only components on PCB that might take some fluid since they have an aperture |
| 17:25.47 | valdur55 | Ok. looked some confirmed pic from gmsarena. They were N950 because of this logo placement. |
| 17:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk |
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| 17:33.55 | flux | well, enough rescuing of a company phone while waiting for jolla ;-). but I put it to a convection oven at ~60 |
| 17:35.12 | flux | can't help thinking the repairing might have finished the deal, as there was not much that water visible inside the device in the first place :) |
| 17:35.42 | juiceme | :) |
| 17:35.44 | flux | docscrutinizer05, you were saying I should leave it to oven for two weeks?-o or was that without oven |
| 17:36.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | on heater, not oven |
| 17:36.13 | juiceme | 2 wees in oven might be too much |
| 17:36.24 | flux | hmm, so a car heater might be better |
| 17:36.32 | juiceme | but to get it absolutely dry it needs to be warm |
| 17:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | some warm place like fan of your PC or heating or on a lamp or TV or whatever |
| 17:37.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | max 80°C |
| 17:37.12 | juiceme | however, if you really throughly rinsed it with alcohol/isopropanol it dries quicker than with water |
| 17:37.23 | juiceme | yes |
| 17:37.55 | flux | hmm, I wonder if I have a place like that.. inside my pc or on top of my htpc maybe :) |
| 17:38.54 | flux | I'll take some measurements to ensure that the oven doesn't exceed the temperature and after this evening find some better place |
| 17:38.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's 45° or 60° that's also fine. Just don't heat it too much as it may break |
| 17:39.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:40.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | increased temperature helps a lot to shorten the drying, since a) liquid evaporates faster, and b) air gets less relative humidity by heating it up |
| 17:41.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but by no means exceed 80°, not even temporarily or on a spot |
| 17:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus radiation heat is evil |
| 17:42.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | warm air is better |
| 17:42.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never can tell how warm each surface gets when placing it e.g. under a lamp or similar radiation heater |
| 17:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | high time to run for shopping - bbl o/ |
| 17:45.56 | flux | it's a convection oven |
| 17:46.25 | flux | thermopair says 48 degrees |
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| 17:46.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds perfect |
| 17:47.04 | flux | thanks for help :) |
| 17:47.36 | flux | and have nice shopping |
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| 19:05.34 | gambitrex | valdur55: thanks for the tip! |
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| 20:23.37 | valdur55 | gambitrex: no problem.. :) N9Qtweak is made of shell scripts. |
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| 21:54.43 | juiceme | coderus, ping |
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