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| 18:39.29 | Kabouik | Hey guys, my (elder !) father just purchased a Samsung Rex 60. I don't know that phone, but it seems like a terrible choice at first look. Do you confirm? Is an Asha the best choice in that price range (50€) for someone who will not use internet or any smartphone feature? |
| 18:42.42 | Eztran | Really low-end Androids tend to be painfully slow. If he's not using any of the features, it seems a bit pointless paying for Android, too - though I guess the difference in price between that and feature phones is pretty low now? |
| 18:45.20 | Kabouik | I guess it is quite low indeed, and I'm afraid the Rex features a very obscure OS. |
| 18:45.49 | Eztran | Oh, you're right, sorry, I was looking at the wrong model. |
| 18:45.55 | Kabouik | I thought that maybe the Asha OS was kind of close to Harmattan, and thus quite straightforward. But I don't know if they are actually good simple phones |
| 18:47.15 | Eztran | That Rex looks like it's using one of the crappy Java-based Symbian ripoffs? Not usually much fun to use. |
| 18:48.05 | Kabouik | I have no idea. It just seemed awfully unknown to me |
| 18:48.19 | Eztran | I find hardware T9 to be more considerably easier effective than on-screen, too, though obviously that's a personal thing. Screens that size make QWERTY near-unusable to me. |
| 18:48.34 | Eztran | easier AND MORE effective, sorry. |
| 18:49.40 | Kabouik | Yes I agree, but I just heard from him saying that he couldn't properly use T9 with his previous phone (he hasn't grown with SMS and finding the right letters requires some thought) |
| 18:50.28 | Kabouik | Perhaps a hardware full keyboard would be best, but that will be hard to find in that price range. Or even in another price range. :D Perhaps the Asha 210 |
| 18:50.49 | Eztran | Understandable, just suggesting that really tiny touchscreens are useless for this kinda thing (previously owned a Nokia 5530, ugggh typing on a 2.9" screen). |
| 18:51.32 | Kabouik | Even on the large Jolla, typing any sms is still a huge huge pain. |
| 18:51.46 | Kabouik | My brains always tries to find a solution not to type that sms. |
| 18:52.00 | Kabouik | brain* |
| 18:52.05 | Kabouik | I only have one. Almost one. |
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| 18:52.16 | Eztran | Makes you reword things to be concise even when you have no limit =) |
| 18:53.44 | Eztran | Anyways, bit of research suggests the OS is proprietary and supports Java apps. There are about a million of those, Chinese manufacturers particularly seem to make one for each low-end device. |
| 18:54.00 | Kabouik | :/ |
| 18:54.39 | Eztran | Of course, there's no reason that means it won't work as a phone or anything. |
| 18:54.57 | Kabouik | Yeah but 60€ for that in 2014 :/ |
| 18:55.09 | Kabouik | I really think he can find better for the buck |
| 18:55.47 | Eztran | Usually the goal is 'make it run Opera Mini and some messaging apps'. If he doesn't want the latter, you probably can find better. |
| 18:56.30 | Kabouik | He most likely doesn't care about Opera mini, but will use sms and I could make him use emails if the OS was good enough, at least for reading |
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| 18:59.20 | Eztran | Actually I've been surprised before about how decent the email is on an Asha (501, I think? Slightly higher price point if so, but should be similar across the line). |
| 19:00.38 | Kabouik | Does the 501 have GPS? |
| 19:01.13 | Eztran | Don't think so. |
| 19:01.17 | Kabouik | I like the 210 because of hardware keyboard (he has big hands), but the screen is tiny and no GPS |
| 19:02.59 | Eztran | Asha (at least, for touch) does at least seem to be the first OS where they realised, 'Oh wait, we have a tiny screen, let's use big buttons'. GPS is gonna be tricky at the price point. |
| 19:17.00 | Eztran | using the 'GPS' filter on GSMArena basically just picks out smartphones. I guess that's not too surprising. |
| 19:26.59 | Kabouik | Yep Eztran, I was just asking! |
| 19:27.54 | Kabouik | Well I told him to try to type SMS and see how it turns out. The point will be to sell him the Asha 210 if he has trouble typing sms on a touchscreen (Amazon reviews seem relatively good on the 210) |
| 19:28.28 | Kabouik | Or investigate other Asha phones (501-503, don't know how they differ), which will have the same touchscreen issues, but perhaps a better OS and build quality. |
| 19:29.43 | Eztran | If he's happy with it, then not much point worrying =) |
| 19:30.21 | Kabouik | I don't like him buying some random Samsung-Java low-end product a seller sold him in the shop. :< |
| 19:31.16 | Kabouik | Just because you will only spend 50€ and don't know anything about phones doesn't mean you don't deserve good advice in the shop :( |
| 19:31.17 | Eztran | My experience with said shops tends to be 'have you looked at these smartphones over here?'. Even when I wasn't looking for a phone =/ |
| 19:31.26 | Kabouik | Yeah |
| 19:31.34 | Kabouik | Well he was looking for one here |
| 19:32.16 | Eztran | I suppose if they're paid on commission particularly, emphasis will be on selling high-price devices (hey, kinda rhymes) and contracts. |
| 19:32.43 | Kabouik | Yeah but I couldn't see my father being trapped that much on an expensive phone :P |
| 19:33.19 | Eztran | Hehe, not if he doesn't want smartphone functions. Thankfully that does kinda open up the market a bit, unfortunately manufacturers treat it as a reason to have no build quality whatsoever. |
| 19:34.08 | Kabouik | At least the Asha seem to be properly built. I think Samsung should be decent too, but the OS seems to be like the old Samsung Player's one |
| 19:35.17 | Eztran | That's pretty common, I think. They can't make the ridiculous profits they make on smartphones, so little-to-no actual effort goes into the device beyond making it work. |
| 19:37.24 | Kabouik | It seems the 503 just features higher res camera and flash, compared to the 501. |
| 19:40.14 | Eztran | Well, certainly looks a bit better, but given that neither are going to be comparable to a cheap point-and-shoot, it's debatable whether that's worth anything. |
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| 23:04.37 | Kabouik_ | Is an E7 a relevant phone in 2014 for someone who has never used a smartphone, as an introduction? Build quality should be very good, and Symbian is obsolete but operational and stable, right? |
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