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13:41.28zbenjaminhello @ all
13:42.05zbenjamini want reset my Nokia N9 to factory default because there is Nemo installed on it. But i cannot find a moslo image anymore
13:42.20zbenjaminis there a place where i can get those images?
13:55.28marxistveganzbenjamin: you mean this http://www.mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productID=4823499691&productType=RM-696
13:56.06zbenjaminmarxistvegan: ah nice
13:56.23zbenjaminmarxistvegan: which images do i need it i also want to get the original moslo/rootfs back?
13:56.46zbenjaminmarxistvegan: that is the list for my device http://www.mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productID=4823499691&productType=RM-696&releaseID=7048842309&variantID=7076942645&productCode=059K0Z2&version=40.2012.21.3
13:56.52marxistveganzbenjamin: not sure depends on where the phone is geographically coded
13:57.03zbenjamingermany
13:59.22marxistveganzbenjamin: don't tell me it matters which of those you download
14:09.23auenfyou need to lookup the code in the sim tray dont you?
14:16.31marxistveganauenf: yes that too
14:16.53marxistveganzbenjamin: sorry I am distracted, but there maemo.org has the instructions somewhere
14:17.00coderusflasher -F ape.bin --no-preserve -f -R
14:17.25zbenjaminauenf: code?
14:19.15zbenjamincoderus: heya, do you know if there is a working whatsapp client for the n9 ?
14:21.59zbenjamingreat i downloaded the wrong one oO
14:22.10zbenjaminauenf: thx for the hint with the code
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16:27.05coderuszbenjamin: it will be one in a mont or so: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93976&goto=newpost
16:35.30zbenjamincoderus: ok, openwhatsapp is broken?
16:35.51zbenjamincoderus: ever considered a whatsapp client for ubuntu phone as well?
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19:38.28coderuszbenjamin: yes for ubuntu phone probably will be too
19:39.37coderusbut ubuntu-sdk is quite useless now
19:41.17coderusand yes, openwhatsapp is very old and not maintaining anymore
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20:05.49zbenjamincoderus: whats the problem with the ubuntu sdk?
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20:29.04M4rtinKI've heard some crazy things recently about ubuntu phone
20:29.18M4rtinKlike that they don't have real multitasking
20:36.47coderuszbenjamin: 1. no qmake in qtcreator
20:36.49zbenjaminM4rtinK: apps that are not in foreground are sigsropped
20:37.03coderuszbenjamin: 2. qtcreator loosing emulator
20:37.33coderusthese two are stopping me atm.
20:37.54coderusi wanted to start porting mitakuuluu to upuntu phone, but decided to wait
20:38.01coderussdk is not ready
20:38.04zbenjamincoderus: i'm working on the SDK ;), do you use that ppa?  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
20:38.28coderuseven Jolla more younger have much better sdk with great emulator experience
20:38.37coderuszbenjamin: yes
20:39.03coderusfirst i waited about month for this adb password bug to be fixes
20:39.06coderusfixed*
20:39.27coderusnow i'm getting errors when trying to deploy examples app to emulator
20:39.39coderusit's all over my patience
20:39.47M4rtinKcoderus: well, that so sad it is funny! :P
20:39.54coderusi'll try again when normal developers can use it without tricks
20:40.22M4rtinKconsidering how long the Ubuntu touch/phone development has been going
20:40.28M4rtinKthat's really bad
20:40.33coderusexactly
20:40.56coderusi know what probably Jolla team more mature than young canonical developers
20:40.58coderusbut still
20:41.08coderusthat is not acceptable
20:41.19M4rtinKcould be also NIH
20:41.26coderusi mean sdk developes, not team itself or something
20:41.37M4rtinKfrom what I've heard its quite brutal NiH at Canonical
20:41.51M4rtinKeven long ago they had tons of patched libraries
20:42.20M4rtinKbig of of tree patches everywhere
20:42.28M4rtinK*out of tree
20:42.34zbenjaminlike no other distribution has its own patches?
20:43.09zbenjaminfrom what i see is that upstreaming work is done, but the distribution moves faster so things pile up
20:43.40coderuszbenjamin: do you suggest me to try again and contact you with bugs i'm getting? :)
20:43.48M4rtinKsure, OpenSUSE has patches distutils so you can't reuse their Python module packaging in most cases
20:43.55M4rtinK*patched
20:44.09zbenjamincoderus: sure, since i'm currently the only developer working on that you can directly contact me.  
20:44.14M4rtinKbut AFAIK Unity is almost unportable due to all the patched libraries it expects
20:44.23M4rtinKbut my information could be outdated
20:45.06M4rtinKzbenjamin: any plans for supporting PyOtherSide ?
20:45.10M4rtinKzbenjamin: http://pyotherside.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
20:45.35M4rtinKcould be a nice alternative to C++ only development
20:46.00zbenjaminM4rtinK: not that i know of, but if its a library you could ship it in your application package.
20:46.22zbenjaminM4rtinK: currently i work on convincing people that we should have proper sysroot and maybe qmake support.
20:46.52M4rtinKzbenjamin: sure, it should be possible to bundle it
20:47.34M4rtinKzbenjamin: on the other hand, having in present by default would make it easier to use it for developers & would make the packages using it smaller :)
20:47.36zbenjaminM4rtinK: i know that go support is planned but thats more a tech preview , not something useable atm
20:47.51zbenjaminM4rtinK: i know
20:48.13coderuszbenjamin: okay, first of all i need to know one thing: what wrong with qmake!?
20:48.37M4rtinKwow, black background - scary! :D
20:48.40zbenjaminM4rtinK: well probably its on the phone (i did not check) but if its not part of the official framework you can never be sure the next update will still have it
20:49.25M4rtinKzbenjamin: that's why I'm asking :)
20:49.40zbenjamincoderus: i asked the same question, the word was that it does not support proper cross platform compiling and that cmake is the way to go
20:49.45M4rtinKor to be more precise, proposing it as an idea or potential inclusion :)
20:49.53M4rtinKLOL
20:50.11zbenjamincoderus: i  come from a pure Qt background so i know what most of the Qt community thinks about cmake ;)
20:50.25coderuszbenjamin: then you need to provide guide to switch existing project to cmake
20:50.49coderusi think nothing about cmake because i not used it in my projects
20:51.23M4rtinK...and that's wha I'm using Python & QtQuick - I don't have to care about compiling anything most of the time :D
20:53.47zbenjamincoderus: documentation is currently worked on, not sure about a conversion guide but i will suggest to create one
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21:01.41zbenjaminM4rtinK: ;) smart!
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21:37.25Alexxxlrushi!
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21:46.21Alexxxlrshello
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21:48.08Alexxxlrustest / nokia n9 ))
21:48.33Alexxxlrsworked ))
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