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| 09:22.41 | hck-dev | yo |
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| 09:25.37 | hck-dev | anyone here?? |
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| 12:16.42 | goxboxlive | cr2: Are you able to buil diet-x11? |
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| 17:09.42 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the x11 packages were built on 14.09 we have already discussed it: they are built together with gtk only because the tslib wants them. which is imho a big waste of space in the opie image. |
| 17:12.19 | goxboxlive | i c. my diet-x11 refuse to buil. Koen adviced me to move over to Angstrom from familiar. I am trying now to build a opie-image with angstrom distro. |
| 17:12.53 | goxboxlive | They also told me that there where allmost non Opie developers left cause of lack of GPL in the qtopia4 |
| 17:35.34 | goxboxlive | cr2: WIll there be a problem booting another distro with Haret? Or does it not mather wih distro it boot? |
| 17:44.26 | cr2 | you boot the kernel which runs /bin/init. so it's up to init what to do. |
| 17:45.33 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:48.15 | cr2 | i think tslib should not have a gui dependence. maybe i would like to run gpm on the console :) |
| 17:49.15 | goxboxlive | why do tslib have gui depence while it dont need it? Is it only because of detect-stylus? |
| 17:49.34 | cr2 | yes. |
| 17:50.03 | goxboxlive | Have you tried to build without detect-stylus? |
| 17:51.19 | cr2 | no. i'm more busy with the wince behaviour now. |
| 17:52.06 | cr2 | i still need to find out who (which program) is using 2 gpios, and under which conditions. |
| 17:55.42 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:57.25 | rob__w | and guys ,,, still motivated ?? i am not |
| 17:57.52 | cr2 | i don't understand why we get the response from the modem, but can't send the commands . |
| 17:58.09 | cr2 | rob__w: what do you mean ? today , or in general ? |
| 17:58.58 | rob__w | well , i feel demotivated to get this crappy hardware to run |
| 18:00.01 | cr2 | at least your phone is working :) |
| 18:00.13 | rob__w | yeah .. but sound support is gone on .16 .. so |
| 18:00.15 | cr2 | the g3 mdoc is the same as on universal. |
| 18:00.45 | rob__w | and i dont have the guts to solve it .. |
| 18:01.23 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 18:01.25 | cr2 | i need to make the phone on universal run. |
| 18:01.34 | rob__w | also the suspend is fucked up on .16 for ba .. so i am back to the start .. |
| 18:01.35 | cr2 | then i can get back to the blueangel. |
| 18:01.45 | rob__w | cr2, never mind |
| 18:01.58 | cr2 | hi Kevin2 |
| 18:02.18 | rob__w | maybe i get me a h5500 wich hardware is supported and get me sd gsm modem or such |
| 18:02.35 | rob__w | also universals are soo expensive |
| 18:02.45 | cr2 | rob__w: how much ? |
| 18:03.11 | rob__w | around 450 used |
| 18:03.30 | cr2 | i think this is the best "phone" and will stay. |
| 18:03.37 | cr2 | too much. |
| 18:03.47 | cr2 | for the used. |
| 18:04.00 | rob__w | can u get cheaper ? |
| 18:04.13 | cr2 | it seems htc has moved away from pxa. |
| 18:04.19 | rob__w | i was close to get a uni with broken lcd for 150 ,, so |
| 18:04.44 | rob__w | cr2, like on the hp6300 |
| 18:04.55 | cr2 | sign a contract, but as i have seen they are more expensive now too. |
| 18:05.16 | cr2 | btw, i forgot to terminate the contract for ba in time. |
| 18:05.29 | rob__w | we need to get hp to help with hardware coding , in order to concentrate on the distributions |
| 18:05.50 | cr2 | rob__w: i don't think it is realistic. |
| 18:06.32 | cr2 | universal has the best chances for full hw support, as i see it. |
| 18:06.54 | rob__w | cr2, how is suspend doing ? |
| 18:07.25 | cr2 | i have dissected everything. |
| 18:07.41 | cr2 | suspend is more a driver problem. |
| 18:08.07 | rob__w | maybe i get my boss to get me a uni .. so i can join there |
| 18:08.10 | cr2 | the main pxa suspend/resume is more or less solved, because i have disassembled IPL and know what happens there. |
| 18:08.41 | rob__w | cool |
| 18:09.22 | rob__w | but then i want the black one from o2 ;-) |
| 18:09.30 | cr2 | ba is great because of the 2D accel, but it means a lot of disassembling to get things like camera work ;) |
| 18:09.31 | cr2 | :) |
| 18:09.56 | cr2 | and because of 128MB RAM. so i don't write off the ba, actually. |
| 18:10.04 | rob__w | shit the camera .. |
| 18:10.14 | rob__w | i dont even have on in my ba |
| 18:10.43 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:10.46 | rob__w | if we just get sound back working on .16 and then fix a proper suspend |
| 18:11.16 | rob__w | that would make it usable , and i can get back to gomunicator and nice phone related ui |
| 18:11.46 | cr2 | modem on the uni needs to be finished. |
| 18:12.05 | cr2 | i think suspend on the ba was mainly the LCD resume problem ? |
| 18:12.46 | rob__w | nah , i think it is the tsc2200 and friends as it resumes the lcd properly but yet a second after the resume it freezes to me |
| 18:13.25 | rob__w | maybe i will try to suspend with no module loaded beside lcd .. and see if that brings it to live |
| 18:13.36 | cr2 | good idea. |
| 18:13.38 | rob__w | so then we know it is in the skipped out modules .. |
| 18:13.59 | rob__w | but i am fighting hard to get a proper driver structure setup .. |
| 18:14.20 | rob__w | many drivers use different ways , |
| 18:14.36 | cr2 | i can't help you here, because i'm not an expert in this field too. |
| 18:14.47 | rob__w | cr2, what would u say is a good example driver structure code existing ? |
| 18:15.00 | rob__w | wife calls .. i bbl |
| 18:16.59 | cr2 | Kevin2: i have traced the gpio change to the 0x0935xxxx address, which means it belongs to the 0x0135xxxx range, which is rilgsm.dll according to 'dump modules'. what further debug options do i have ? |
| 18:17.47 | cr2 | i think wince should keep trace where is has loaded the text and data segments for the exe/dll files. |
| 18:18.30 | cr2 | unfortunately, this data changes with the ROM version. |
| 18:19.13 | cr2 | so the full data dump should be done on the same device. |
| 18:23.39 | pH5 | cr2: can't you now disassemble rilgsm.dll and check what function changes the gpio? |
| 18:24.53 | cr2 | pH5: wince5 is a bitch. do you know how to dump and dissect the ROM ? wince3 was a paradise ;) |
| 18:25.43 | Kevin2 | Why does 0x0935xxxx correspond with 0x0135xxxx? the 0x09 address in the MVA (modified virtual address) while the 0x01 can be different things when the PID register changes. |
| 18:26.40 | cr2 | i can probably dump the page where this address belongs. for everything else i need the relocation data. AFAIK it is in the wince kernel, because a have seen a full exe/dll dump from the universal. but again, i need this data dump on my own device. |
| 18:27.26 | Kevin2 | Hrrm. We can have haret report the pid on traces.. |
| 18:27.27 | cr2 | Kevin2: wince processes are limited to 32MB (25bit), so it is legitimate to speak about 0x0135xxxx |
| 18:28.23 | Kevin2 | Sure, but the 0x01 addresses will go to different ram depending on what the pid register is set to. So, I'm not sure how you can be sure the 0x01/0x09 addresses are really the same. |
| 18:29.24 | cr2 | i have looked at another rilgsm.dll and the only reference to this gpio is in the RIL_DevSpecific function. |
| 18:29.53 | cr2 | so how can i find out who calls this function ? |
| 18:30.36 | cr2 | i can dump all the import sections from all exe/dll and look who imports the function. seems like a lot of work too. |
| 18:30.40 | Kevin2 | You can add a breakpoint using haret. |
| 18:30.58 | cr2 | at this address ? |
| 18:31.30 | Kevin2 | Yes. Hrmm. Unfortunately dumping r14 is a bitch.. |
| 18:31.41 | cr2 | but i can't really backtrace... |
| 18:32.10 | cr2 | wince keeps track of this info, but i don't know how to access it. |
| 18:32.28 | Kevin2 | Do you have the function disassembled? You can place a breakpoint and write some C code to record the stack. |
| 18:32.43 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. Dumping r13 (stack) is also a bitch.. |
| 18:33.13 | cr2 | there is a kernel debugger in evc4 afaik, but who knows how to use it. |
| 18:33.58 | Kevin2 | Looks like cegcc (cegcc.sf.net) have ported gdb to wince. |
| 18:34.21 | cr2 | i'll try to look into xda-dev archives to find out how (and who) they dumped the exe/dlls. |
| 18:34.31 | cr2 | really ? i'll have a look. |
| 18:36.32 | cr2 | wiki does not work. |
| 18:40.23 | cr2 | the cegcc looks like cygwin. you must install its dlls in order to run, hmm. |
| 18:43.04 | Kevin2 | I'll try to get r13/r14 dumped properly from haret. With this info, you should be able to find the callers pretty easily. |
| 18:45.55 | cr2 | that will help a lot. |
| 18:57.32 | cr2 | Kevin2: can you do 'pwf ipl 0x0 0x800' on apache ? |
| 18:59.42 | Kevin2 | Run that exact command? |
| 19:00.05 | cr2 | yes. |
| 19:00.18 | cr2 | and upload the 'ipl' file. |
| 19:01.29 | Kevin2 | You want the top page of memory? I already have that. |
| 19:02.10 | Kevin2 | It just seems to be junk -- I think the g3 has the last page accessed there. |
| 19:02.59 | cr2 | the top ? |
| 19:04.13 | Kevin2 | Yeah. The stuff at 0x00000000. |
| 19:04.55 | cr2 | ok. yes, i'd like to have the half of the page. |
| 19:05.39 | Kevin2 | Okay. Do you want the binary, hex, or disassembled? |
| 19:05.56 | Kevin2 | What's the best way to push the file? Can you accept transfers via irc? |
| 19:09.12 | cr2 | dss does not work for me. binary is probably the best. can you put it to shadowmite.com ? |
| 19:10.04 | cr2 | 29c: e59f0330 ldr r0, [pc, #816] ; 0x5d4 |
| 19:10.04 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.19 | cr2 | 5d4: a0040000 andge r0, r4, r0 |
| 19:10.40 | cr2 | it is not junk. it is the first stage bootloader. |
| 19:15.25 | Kevin2 | I put the hex output at: http://pastebin.ca/188098 |
| 19:15.42 | Kevin2 | I have a script which can turn it into binary. I'll push that to shadowmite. |
| 19:16.27 | cr2 | mimeencode/uudecode ? :) |
| 19:18.39 | Kevin2 | Okay, I added it to svn -- transmem.py |
| 19:18.50 | Kevin2 | It converts haret output (eg, pd) back to binary. |
| 19:19.02 | cr2 | ok. thanks. |
| 19:27.39 | cr2 | they are effectively the same. so you resume code will be the same as mine :) |
| 19:30.17 | Kevin2 | Cool! |
| 19:32.15 | cr2 | the ipl sets the pxa gpio to some values, sets the memctl and CCCR and jump to 0xa0040000. the g3 read routines are the same. |
| 19:48.47 | Kevin2 | I have to run. I'll see if I can get these haret changes done some time later tonight. |
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| 20:51.37 | cr2 | hi lamikr |
| 20:51.57 | lamikr | hi cr2, I just came from the countyside back to home. |
| 20:52.24 | lamikr | How was your weekend? |
| 20:54.38 | cr2 | i hope the weather was nice :) the motor in my car does not want to start, so it was necessary to pull out the starter on saturday. today it was raining ;) |
| 20:59.44 | lamikr | Yesterday was really freezy, it seems that the summer has now finally lost the battle for winter. I hope the problem in your car is not too bad to fix. |
| 20:59.48 | lamikr | Hi florian |
| 21:03.17 | lamikr | cr2: Do you happen to know is there any AT command for querying the real date, time & timezone information from the gsm module? |
| 21:09.21 | lamikr | I would use that for updating the time & location info automatically after boot in the gpe. I have one phone which is always asking me after I boot it: "Your clock is wrong, do you want to update it". So I think there must be a way for getting that info from the gsm link data. |
| 21:09.34 | cr2 | i don't think there is one. universal has an i2c RTC chip (i think) and the CPU transmits the time data TO the gsm/umts module with a nonstandard command: Tx:AT@SYSTEMTIME=1,26,36,2005,11,18\r |
| 21:10.47 | cr2 | can you get the complete AT command set from your radio firmware ? |
| 21:12.09 | lamikr | Hmm, in that case the date would come from the cpu... After hard reset boot from wince to Linux, the cpu date is always wrong (year 2002 or something) so I would like to get it updated automatically from the data ISP's are broadcasting. |
| 21:13.22 | lamikr | cr2: Hmm, I do not know how to query them. I have only used wavecoms's AT command manual as a reference and checked which of those commands works with out wavecom module. (Most of the command from manual are ok, but not all) |
| 21:14.35 | cr2 | there was an AT command "tell me all the AT commands", but it fails on the universal. afaik it worked on blueangel. |
| 21:14.49 | cr2 | can you dump the firmware ? |
| 21:16.35 | cr2 | AT+CLAC |
| 21:16.36 | lamikr | cr2: I have not even tried, I have just happily used the phone via at interface. Maybe I should start working with the module details... |
| 21:17.14 | cr2 | sometimes it is possible to check the firmware updates. |
| 21:19.00 | lamikr | Yes, there seems to be one in http://h18007.www1.hp.com/support/files/HandheldiPAQ/us/download/22835.html :-) |
| 21:20.23 | goxboxlive | cr2: Dont we need detect-stylus in GPE either? |
| 21:22.28 | lamikr | I have made some updates to gomunicator SMS support in this weekend. The code checks now the senders phonenumber from the incoming sms messages. (Earlier that was not checked). |
| 21:23.42 | cr2 | good. |
| 21:24.01 | lamikr | In addition there were a bug that did not remove the received SMS messages from the sim card after reading the message. I noticed the problem when I started to wonder why SMS message receive suddenly started to fail. It turned out that my simcard was full. (only 20 message limit) |
| 21:24.50 | lamikr | I think that code should be improved a bit so that user could see the list of all sms messages stored to sim card and could select which of them to store also to gomunicator's db database and remove from sim. |
| 21:25.43 | lamikr | AT+CMGL=4 (or in text sms mode) AT+CMGL="ALL" can show all messages stored to sim card. |
| 21:26.11 | cr2 | a780 has different mailboxes (sim is one of them) so you can move between. and you always get a popup "sim full". |
| 21:28.32 | lamikr | Yes, I noticed that with htc models you can specify 3 different mailboxes with CPMS command. (AT+CPMS=\"ME\",\"ME\",\"ME\) |
| 21:29.12 | lamikr | with h6300 we can only select two boxes. AT+CPMS=<mem 1>, <mem 2> where mem1 is for incoming messages and mem2 is for the outgoing. |
| 21:29.28 | lamikr | What is the third one in the htc phones? |
| 21:30.24 | cr2 | don't know yet :) |
| 21:30.55 | lamikr | hopefully soon :-) |
| 21:31.30 | cr2 | :-) |
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| 22:02.50 | Alendit | hi |
| 22:03.50 | Alendit | just a question - is it possible to use normal use htc magicia with linux...i mean will i at least be able to phone with it? :-) |
| 22:35.56 | awelux | Alendit, last time I looked the answer was no. It boots and can do some tricks but for everyday use? no. |
| 22:51.14 | lamikr | cr2: Goodnight |