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| 02:46.14 | oppiz_afk | hey |
| 02:50.28 | oppiz | Kevin2: did i miss you again |
| 02:50.31 | oppiz | heh |
| 02:50.36 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 02:50.40 | oppiz | w00t |
| 02:50.45 | oppiz | how goes? |
| 02:51.03 | Kevin2 | Oh, I'm okay - just about to order dinner. |
| 02:51.10 | Kevin2 | You just got an Apache? |
| 02:53.21 | oppiz | i've had it about a month now, finding information on them is hard. |
| 02:53.51 | oppiz | i've been using linux for about 6 years now and want it on my phone WM% is killing me |
| 02:54.24 | Kevin2 | Yeah, the phone OS is pretty bad. The hardware is rather cool, but the software really kills it. |
| 02:54.39 | oppiz | http://cross-lfs.org/view/clfs-sysroot/arm/ |
| 02:54.53 | oppiz | i just compiled a system for it, |
| 02:55.03 | oppiz | i edit/work on the CLFS/LFS thing |
| 02:55.23 | oppiz | the kernel is throwing me, but am more wanting to get everything working at this point |
| 02:56.26 | oppiz | if you would like i would be glade to assist you in getting everything working |
| 02:57.31 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Cool! |
| 02:58.12 | Kevin2 | In the past, I've used buildroot and bitbake to build cross platform tools. It's a real pain to get it correct, though. |
| 02:58.37 | Kevin2 | Have you seen the pages on the handhelds.org wiki for Apache? There is a todo list there. |
| 02:59.04 | oppiz | indeed, but i must let you know i am new to the hole handheld linux thing |
| 02:59.10 | Kevin2 | What kind of things would you want to look at? (For example, writing kernel drivers, getting userspace running, reverse engineering, etc.) |
| 02:59.38 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Heh, everyone is the first time. |
| 03:00.19 | oppiz | what i want todo and can do are somewhat different, kernel drivers/reverse engineering is what i want to get into, but have only played with and kernel space i can write |
| 03:00.32 | oppiz | userspace |
| 03:00.54 | oppiz | i can write C/C++, Pascal, Basic, Html, and JAVA |
| 03:00.58 | oppiz | and bash |
| 03:02.41 | Kevin2 | Well, take a look at: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheTodo |
| 03:03.12 | Kevin2 | If you're okay with pulling apart your phone, getting high-res pictures of the apache internals would help a lot (I'm not really a hardware guy - I try to stick with the software). |
| 03:03.47 | Kevin2 | On the reverse engineering side - observing and documenting the phone interface is the next (and probably last) hurdle for Apache. |
| 03:04.15 | Kevin2 | The kernel driver side is mostly complete now. There are some odds and ends that could be done, but nothing really pressing. |
| 03:04.56 | Kevin2 | Finally, getting the userspace stuff all setup, documented, and polished is going to take a lot of work. If you're interested in this, I suggest you get GPE up and running and poke around the phone to see what works well and doesn't -- and then fix it. |
| 03:05.07 | oppiz | i got you patches for the kernel26 |
| 03:05.15 | oppiz | what .config file do you use? |
| 03:05.31 | Kevin2 | pull the default config from arch/arm/configs/htcapache_defconfig |
| 03:05.39 | oppiz | sweet |
| 03:06.19 | oppiz | Kevin2: you have the phone working at all? |
| 03:06.57 | Kevin2 | oppiz: No. I've got some good traces (see http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace) but otherwise this needs a bit of work. |
| 03:07.18 | Kevin2 | cr2 and goxboxlive have had some success getting initial phone support running on Universal, so maybe it wont be that hard. |
| 03:08.20 | oppiz | i know once the phone is working we can simply use PPP to connect for data on #777 |
| 03:08.46 | Kevin2 | oppiz: I hope so, but I don't really know. |
| 03:10.50 | oppiz | the phone chip used is already supported in linux |
| 03:11.25 | Kevin2 | It looks like the phone is running HTC specific software, so they may have changed things. But I'm hoping it will just work. |
| 03:11.57 | oppiz | my first step i really just to get linux on the damn thing |
| 03:12.31 | Kevin2 | The phone has two interfaces to the PXA arm chip -- a serial port and a usb connection. I think the usb connection is the data network port, and I'm hoping it will work out of the box. |
| 03:14.33 | oppiz | i just untar bootgpe-v0.8.4-rc3-h2200.tar.bz2 that large part of the chip and zimage on the vfat part right? |
| 03:15.55 | Kevin2 | No, you need to make an ext3 filesystem. |
| 03:16.18 | oppiz | i have a 64MB vfat and EXT3 partition |
| 03:16.36 | oppiz | /dev/sdd1 63330 5206 58124 9% /mnt/sd1 |
| 03:16.36 | oppiz | /dev/sdd2 913736 64444 802876 8% /mnt/sd2 |
| 03:17.20 | Kevin2 | Don't use -rc3 -- grab the release version. (It's confusing, but there is a release after -rc3). |
| 03:17.32 | oppiz | everything i read said system on ext3 and kernel on vfat and use gnuharet to startit |
| 03:18.19 | Kevin2 | You need to extract the file: gpe-image-v0.8.4-h2200.rootfs.tar.bz2 from the tar you download. |
| 03:18.44 | Kevin2 | Then you need to extract this tar onto the ext3 partition: tar jxvpf gpe-image-v0.8.4-h2200.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 03:20.04 | Kevin2 | After you extract this tar, you need to update the modules with what you've locally compiled: make modules_install INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/path/to/ext3 |
| 03:23.06 | oppiz | ok got the gpe on sd2 |
| 03:23.53 | oppiz | let me get linux26 |
| 03:23.55 | oppiz | kernel26 |
| 03:24.30 | Kevin2 | I'll be back in a little while. |
| 03:42.29 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Any luck? |
| 03:43.46 | oppiz | im just figureing the commands to cross compile the kernel |
| 03:44.12 | oppiz | and i got chinese foos |
| 03:51.16 | Kevin2 | Heh, I went with mexican. |
| 03:51.16 | oppiz | Kevin2: i am getting compile errors on the kernel, how do you normally compile yours |
| 03:51.52 | Kevin2 | I just put arm-linux-gcc in my path and run "make". |
| 03:53.46 | oppiz | are the patches hh-patch-20061219 and hh-patch-cfg-20061219 in the kernel source already? |
| 03:54.45 | Kevin2 | Yes |
| 04:12.37 | oppiz | Kevin2: where bouts you live? |
| 04:12.46 | Kevin2 | New York. |
| 04:15.13 | Kevin2 | Ahh, late dinner for you to then, huh? :-) |
| 04:15.44 | oppiz | i'm a cop so i have really jacked up hours |
| 04:16.50 | Kevin2 | Yeah, I can imagine. |
| 04:17.10 | oppiz | d-laoding the uncomressed kernel sucks |
| 04:17.59 | ellisway | sup peeps |
| 04:18.02 | Kevin2 | Huh? |
| 04:18.12 | Kevin2 | ellisway: Hi. |
| 04:18.14 | oppiz | cvs checkout linux/kernel26 |
| 04:18.22 | oppiz | takes like 5 min |
| 04:18.24 | ellisway | hiya Kevin2 |
| 04:18.32 | ellisway | how goes |
| 04:18.33 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Oh yeah. Even a "cvs up" takes a while. |
| 04:19.07 | Kevin2 | I'm well - what's new with you? |
| 04:19.31 | ellisway | not much just got ome after a callout due to a crashed server in 1 of my racks |
| 04:20.01 | ellisway | i wish people would use lilo on teir servers in my racks |
| 04:20.15 | ellisway | saves me loads of time if they test their kernels 1st |
| 04:20.33 | oppiz | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcapache/htcapache.c:332: error: 'GPIO_NR_HTCAPACHE_KP_PULLOUT' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 04:20.39 | oppiz | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcapache/htcapache.c:332: error: 'GPIO_NR_HTCAPACHE_KP_PULLOUT' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 04:20.52 | oppiz | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcapache/htcapache.c:332: error: 'GPIO_NR_HTCAPACHE_KP_PULLOUT' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 04:21.25 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Apply the patch hh-patch-20061221 that I sent to the mailing list. |
| 04:22.22 | ellisway | mm wonder how long it will take me to do a ceckout of the kernel i havn`t got that far yet still reading up on stuff b4 i start building a cros compile enviroment |
| 04:22.44 | ellisway | grr damn h key i should change this keyboard |
| 04:23.55 | oppiz | Kevin2: hh-patch-20061219 is the only patch i see |
| 04:24.18 | oppiz | ah there it be |
| 04:26.43 | oppiz | "f"ragile much be french |
| 04:26.43 | oppiz | hahah |
| 04:40.40 | oppiz | Kevin2: it booting but i'm getting a kernel panic unavle to mount root fs unknown block(0,0) |
| 04:40.49 | oppiz | what does your defautl.txt look like? |
| 04:43.42 | Kevin2 | set CMDLINE "rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1" |
| 04:46.49 | oppiz | init w00t |
| 04:47.04 | oppiz | gpe 2.7 |
| 04:47.12 | oppiz | Booting please wait |
| 04:49.51 | oppiz | Kevin2: very nice it's all booted |
| 04:52.50 | Kevin2 | Cool |
| 04:53.04 | oppiz | setting up network |
| 04:57.17 | oppiz | Kevin2: problem with the battery voltage read |
| 05:03.24 | Kevin2 | oppiz: battery sensor is not yet implemented. I'm working on that now. |
| 05:04.06 | oppiz | i will prolly link the suspend key as my first thingy |
| 05:04.06 | oppiz | suspend works just needs to be linked |
| 05:04.55 | Kevin2 | Sounds good. See the kernel-discuss logs - I think Paul Sokolovsky had some comments on how to use a generic key system. |
| 05:05.10 | oppiz | sweet |
| 05:05.31 | oppiz | should i just post everything to the maillist? or just give it to you? |
| 05:06.13 | Kevin2 | Send it to the maillist - I'll see it there. |
| 05:09.33 | oppiz | i just modprobe acx |
| 05:09.39 | oppiz | and the wireless should work right> |
| 05:10.58 | Kevin2 | Uhmm. Not sure. I haven't played with wireless much myself. I coded up the interface, but it was another user that verified it was working. |
| 05:11.21 | Kevin2 | I think it should just work. But you'll likely need to play with the wireless tool stuff. |
| 05:11.56 | oppiz | i'm having issues i compiles on a x86-64 so it thinks it still lib64 |
| 05:12.00 | oppiz | blah |
| 05:12.03 | oppiz | kernel recompile |
| 05:13.10 | ellisway | thats somthing i cant wait to try wifi/3g nat router from my handset |
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| 07:25.03 | deltastar | Hi room, is there any new kernel for BA board id0x6 on wich resume after susspend works? |
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| 08:20.09 | goxboxlive | good morning and Merry Christmas |
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| 11:10.34 | lkcl_ | oppiz: the acx module needs a 'helper' module which actually contains the device-specific initialisation. |
| 11:10.59 | lkcl_ | so on the blueangel, there's a module blueangel_acx. on the universal, it's called htcuniversal_acx. etc. |
| 11:11.46 | lkcl_ | Kevin2: you know the gpio pins for the acx? there should be at least 5 of them |
| 11:14.31 | lkcl_ | apache contains acx usb?? weird |
| 11:19.35 | lkcl | morning goboxlive. happy easter |
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| 12:55.47 | deltastar | Hi room, is there any new kernel for BA board id0x6 on wich resume after susspend works? |
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| 14:58.43 | Kevin2 | lkcl_: We've had acx working for a while on Apache. It doesn't use usb - it uses the same interface as universal (a memory area). And finally, we don't need a helper module on apache - I have the 2 line definition always compiled in. |
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| 15:16.26 | lkcl | Kevin2: yaay! |
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| 16:21.01 | oppiz | Kevin2: i found teh acx neede firmware |
| 16:25.45 | oppiz | why does gpe use ipv6? |
| 16:31.40 | Kevin2 | oppiz: I don't know about ipv6 -- are you sure it needs it? |
| 16:32.19 | Kevin2 | oppiz: It's been so long since I used acx, I don't recall if I loaded firmware or not. If it does, you should be able to find the image somewhere on net -- try the Universal pages at hh.org. |
| 16:32.37 | oppiz | i got the image no problem |
| 16:32.49 | oppiz | and the chip works fine |
| 16:33.06 | oppiz | i can scan and connect to the acesspoint |
| 16:34.26 | Kevin2 | Great! |
| 16:35.09 | oppiz | what is it that i should start working on? |
| 16:35.30 | lkcl | hey well done oppiz! |
| 16:36.12 | lkcl | Kevin2: it's listed as a usb device on the xda dev wiki page |
| 16:37.37 | oppiz | Kevin2: WLANGEN.BIN is the firmware needed if you wanted to list it |
| 16:40.14 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Feel free to update the wiki on hh.org with a new page on getting linux to run. As you can see, we're a bit lacking on good startup docs. :-) |
| 16:40.47 | Kevin2 | Many of the other ports have a linux specific page for the platform - a "Linux on Apache" page would be useful. |
| 16:41.48 | Kevin2 | It may also be worthwhile to put out a custom root image for apache - to save people the trouble of following all those steps. |
| 16:42.37 | oppiz | Kevin2: i'm test opie now, will have to get your help to start working on phone and such. |
| 16:43.19 | Kevin2 | Along the same lines, some people use "ram disk rescue" to bootstrap their phones -- http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RamdiskRescue |
| 16:43.45 | Kevin2 | I haven't had a chance to see if it works on Apache yet - but that would be cool to have. |
| 16:44.28 | oppiz | once we get the phone working thigs will move faster i think |
| 16:44.38 | oppiz | how long have you been working on the project |
| 16:45.14 | lkcl | oh - actually: Kevin2 - yes, could you tell me a bit about your experiences with the Apache because i want to update the linux phones article? |
| 16:46.25 | Kevin2 | I purchased the phone in February -- my first experience with Linux on PDAs -- I've done a little with OpenWRT in the past. |
| 16:47.24 | oppiz | Welcome to Opie |
| 16:47.44 | Kevin2 | I put a lot of time in it the first month or so, and got the phone to boot linux. However, development pretty much stalled at that point. I was using a different IRC channel (shadowmite), and it was a bit less active on the hard core technical side. |
| 16:48.33 | Kevin2 | About 4 or 5 months ago, I saw that someone updated the wiki on xda-developers.com for Apache -- they said there were in the process of getting linux to boot on Apache -- I was a bit surprised because I never heard of that person, and I had already gotten it to boot linux. |
| 16:49.26 | oppiz | Kevin2: opie works fine, same procedure as gpe |
| 16:49.53 | Kevin2 | In the process of contacting that person, I found this IRC channel with a lot of really knowledgeable people on PDAs and Linux. At that point, I started actively working on Apache again - I got ACX/IRDA/BT working pretty quickly -- mostly because they were nearly identical to the support in the HTC Universal phone. |
| 16:50.43 | Kevin2 | Also, at that point, I found that my first month of development was really a bit of duplication, because several of the problems I found were already fixed by developers here. On the upside, I fixed a couple of problems they didn't know about. |
| 16:51.37 | Kevin2 | Anyway, the last couple of months I've put a bit more time in on the phone. A lot of it was improving haret, however. (See haret cvs at hh.org.) |
| 16:51.59 | Kevin2 | I added a whole bunch of utilities to haret to help detect what WinCE does to the hardware. |
| 16:52.50 | Kevin2 | Much of this project so far has just been patiently observing and documenting what wince does. Several other developers have gone the route of decompiling wince source. I have been sticking with observing hardware input/output. |
| 16:55.25 | oppiz | oh, i like opie |
| 16:55.51 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Great news on opie -- can you update the wiki please? |
| 16:56.37 | oppiz | blah if the wiki lets me... |
| 16:56.52 | Kevin2 | You just need to create an account, then you should have full access. |
| 16:58.19 | oppiz | Kevin2: you writing all of your userspace for gpe i take it? so i will need to rewrite that for opie? |
| 16:59.48 | Kevin2 | oppiz: I haven't done anything in userspace yet. (Well, one small init script, but that is portable.) |
| 17:00.53 | oppiz | i was just going to write everything into one program i did and the whoever can just cut and paste the code for a apache_hte release |
| 17:01.32 | deltastar | Any hope for poor boy to get resume work after suspend on BA board id0x6? |
| 17:02.03 | Kevin2 | Oh, BTW, I recommend you grab Anton' pxa27x_voltage patch from kernel-discuss mailing list. It will allow you to enable cpu-freq support. |
| 17:02.17 | oppiz | ah nice |
| 17:06.24 | Kevin2 | See http://pastebin.ca/290995 for my one userspace script. |
| 17:07.21 | oppiz | how much function is in the keyboard 100% |
| 17:07.22 | oppiz | ? |
| 17:10.59 | oppiz | back later |
| 17:11.15 | Kevin2 | The keyboard should be fully operational. |
| 17:12.03 | Kevin2 | It needs a keyboard map for the "red dot" keys, however. This is available for console mode, but I don't know how to program the GPE/Opie keyboard map. |
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| 19:39.15 | oppiz | Kevin2: ? |
| 19:40.35 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 19:40.51 | oppiz | what is the Automatic screen rotation information? |
| 19:41.24 | Kevin2 | If you pull out the keyboard, it should rotate the screen. |
| 19:41.37 | oppiz | indeed, what sensor is it :-p |
| 19:43.02 | Kevin2 | It is a GPIO pin on the hardware. I currently have it mapped to a buttone event - KEY_KEYBOARD. |
| 19:45.00 | oppiz | i was just going to write a little C program to watch for it and spin it |
| 19:47.08 | Kevin2 | I'll be back later. |
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