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| 00:21.16 | gw280 | is usb networking usable? |
| 00:21.52 | BabelO | gw280: yes, everybody use it |
| 00:22.28 | gw280 | I see |
| 00:22.51 | gw280 | BabelO: which module? usbnet doesn't appear to be in the defconfig? |
| 00:23.02 | BabelO | gw280: it is g_ether |
| 00:23.14 | gw280 | BabelO: on both ends? |
| 00:23.17 | BabelO | in usb-> GADGETS MODULES |
| 00:23.32 | BabelO | on your computer use usbnet |
| 00:24.31 | gdh | just wondered, has development on BlueAngel / GPE ended ? |
| 00:25.58 | BabelO | gdh: missing sound, wireless and a good lcd resume |
| 00:26.56 | gdh | BabelO: Yeh I noticed - lots of fun trying it out tho :) |
| 00:27.20 | gdh | BabelO: I mean, is kernel 2.6.12 + GPE initrd from a year ago still the 'current release' ? http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ |
| 00:27.32 | BabelO | yes |
| 00:28.36 | gdh | Is the lack of progress just the old open-source enemy of lack of time? |
| 00:30.18 | BabelO | maybe the two at same time :) |
| 00:30.49 | gdh | I'm guessing the issue isn't lack of hardware, for sure :) |
| 00:56.06 | kattmat | what was that boot shit called? |
| 00:56.07 | kattmat | herot? no? |
| 00:56.27 | BabelO | haret |
| 00:56.39 | kattmat | cheers |
| 00:56.51 | kattmat | can it use arm-elf? |
| 00:57.28 | BabelO | haret is for wince |
| 00:57.34 | kattmat | yes. |
| 00:57.43 | kattmat | but can it boot a kernel compiled with gcc --target=arm-elf ? |
| 00:57.47 | kattmat | or does it have to be arm-linux? |
| 00:57.47 | BabelO | you want to recompile haret ? |
| 00:58.06 | kattmat | no. |
| 00:58.16 | BabelO | it boot with a kernel arm-linux i think |
| 00:58.30 | kattmat | so arm-elf _wont_ work? |
| 00:58.41 | BabelO | what is your problem ? compiling kernel ? |
| 00:58.58 | kattmat | compiling gcc |
| 01:01.55 | kattmat | doesn't seem as many here has ever built a cross-compile toolchain :/ |
| 01:02.16 | BabelO | elf is for executable binary |
| 01:02.42 | BabelO | it is for osx ? |
| 01:03.04 | kattmat | i know. but for some strange reason, gcc will compile with --target=arm-elf, but not arm-linux. beats me.. |
| 01:03.05 | kattmat | yeah, osx. |
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| 01:03.49 | BabelO | what is your gcc source version? |
| 01:04.05 | kattmat | 4.1.1 |
| 01:05.08 | BabelO | ok, use arm-linux as target |
| 01:05.34 | kattmat | i'm trying to |
| 01:05.34 | kattmat | bails out. |
| 01:05.34 | BabelO | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/faq.html |
| 01:05.42 | kattmat | i'm retrying at the moment, i'll get you the error as soon as it pops up |
| 01:06.18 | kattmat | cheers |
| 01:06.56 | gw280 | meh, how do you start kdrive? |
| 01:07.21 | BabelO | gw280: what is kdrive ? |
| 01:07.37 | gw280 | BabelO: x server |
| 01:10.18 | kattmat | BabelO: http://rafb.net/p/BJ00cl96.html |
| 01:18.18 | BabelO | kattmat: i ve tried one time with this http://www.gnuarm.com/support.html#build |
| 01:18.49 | BabelO | i don t rememnber the result |
| 01:19.08 | kattmat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.30 | BabelO | ok, so i don t know |
| 01:20.00 | BabelO | good night, ask tomorrow. Maybe more luck |
| 01:20.23 | kattmat | night man |
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| 01:41.20 | gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/images/images/img_0087.jpg |
| 01:41.21 | gw280 | yayness. |
| 01:46.35 | oppiz | Kevin2, you around? |
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| 02:07.47 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Yes |
| 02:09.09 | ellis | Kevin2: whats the best ver of haret to use for universal ? |
| 02:10.16 | oppiz | how is it that you have gpio 116 set up, you said it was as a button press or soemthing? i don't think /proc/gpio was very popular though it works |
| 02:10.26 | oppiz | i can toggle everything on and off |
| 02:10.34 | oppiz | 116 is the keyboard |
| 02:10.55 | Kevin2 | ellis: I don't have a universal. Both gnu-haret and latest mainline haret should work on it. |
| 02:11.20 | ellis | k |
| 02:12.11 | ellis | i have a few different versions was just wondering if i should use 1 of your vers or mainline but tis coo i`ll ask cr2 or gobox when there about |
| 02:12.15 | oppiz | things will be so much simpler when i set the keyboard to rotate and the backlight to come one |
| 02:12.16 | oppiz | on*( |
| 02:12.22 | Kevin2 | oppiz: See GPIO_NR_HTCAPACHE_KP_PULLOUT in htcapache.c. It currently maps to a button press event. |
| 02:12.52 | oppiz | Kevin2, does it dump into /sys also? |
| 02:12.56 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Keyboard backlight? |
| 02:13.04 | oppiz | yeah |
| 02:13.26 | oppiz | just echo "1" > /sys/class/led/backlioght |
| 02:13.32 | oppiz | or whatever the path it |
| 02:13.36 | oppiz | brightness |
| 02:13.42 | Kevin2 | oppiz: One can cat /dev/input/eventX and "see" the event. But it is all binary data. |
| 02:14.35 | Kevin2 | For keyboard rotate and keyboard backlight, I'd suggest looking at some of the other ports to see how they do it. There might be a scheme already in use. |
| 02:14.35 | oppiz | Kevin2, do we want the light on when key pressed or at all times when the Keyboard is out? |
| 02:15.22 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Wince does it when someone presses a key. Otherwise, it might drain the battery if someone le |
| 02:15.33 | oppiz | that is a option we have just asking |
| 02:16.10 | Kevin2 | Hrmm.. The keyboard backlight will turn off when the screen backlight goes off. I guess either way would work. |
| 02:16.27 | oppiz | and only turns on when the keyboard is 100% open |
| 02:18.47 | oppiz | Kevin2, with it on all the time, we can just write that into the kernel correct? |
| 02:19.00 | oppiz | or would you still make it userspace? |
| 02:20.32 | Kevin2 | oppiz: There is a "led" trigger mechanism in the kernel. Unfortunately not well documented. See Documentation/leds.txt. |
| 02:21.26 | oppiz | i'lle just write it in the kernel, will prevent you from havinr to hit a key to get the light |
| 02:22.50 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Before the kernel developers accept a patch, they'll expect some research done to see how other platforms handle these types of things. |
| 02:38.23 | oppiz | Kevin2, ah, ok |
| 02:38.23 | oppiz | who would know how they did it on the universal? |
| 02:40.06 | Kevin2 | cr2 and goxboxlive |
| 02:40.47 | oppiz | cr2, you around? |
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| 02:56.35 | Kevin2 | oppiz: When you use gpe/opie do you have problems entering things in with the touchscreen keypad? |
| 03:09.44 | oppiz | Kevin2, sometimes it doesn't blink and when i hit shift sometimes the square are empty |
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| 03:28.09 | Kevin2 | oppiz: At the login screen, can you enter your password using the touchscreen keyboard? |
| 03:30.19 | oppiz | yes |
| 03:31.13 | Kevin2 | Okay, I'm going to reinstall my image then - I must have messed something up with the os. |
| 03:34.00 | Kevin2 | Weird - it still doesn't work. |
| 03:34.22 | Kevin2 | I can press the key on the screen, and it acknowledges it by turning inverse. But it doesn't actually register the key. |
| 03:34.23 | oppiz | where in htcapache.c do you label the pull out as a key pressed? |
| 03:34.47 | Kevin2 | look for GPIO_NR_HTCAPACHE_KP_PULLOUT |
| 03:35.37 | oppiz | oh you have it under /*buttons on side*/ |
| 03:56.44 | oppiz | that's weird |
| 03:57.03 | oppiz | i have used a fresh kernel and fresh image and it works fine |
| 03:57.55 | Kevin2 | Which kernel did you use? |
| 03:58.05 | oppiz | kernel26 |
| 03:58.18 | oppiz | i update yesterday 7ish |
| 03:58.46 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. I'm running with the battery detection patch. |
| 03:58.56 | oppiz | perhaps that's it |
| 03:59.38 | oppiz | you think i shoudl just post how i should handle the keyboard on kernel-discuss? |
| 03:59.53 | Kevin2 | I don't think it will hurt. |
| 04:04.07 | oppiz | Kevin2, what is your background? |
| 04:04.24 | Kevin2 | oppiz: In what way? |
| 04:04.33 | oppiz | computers mainly |
| 04:04.41 | oppiz | you seem to know you stuff... |
| 04:06.14 | Kevin2 | I've been using linux since around '94. I'm a software developer by trade. (Now I'm a manager of a team of developers.) |
| 04:06.25 | oppiz | nice |
| 04:14.32 | oppiz | I've been using linux since 2000, never really got into development, but it's what i want to get into i just write stupid stuff, http://oppiz.net/dvdrip.cpp i also work on LFS, BLFS, CLFS and CBLFS |
| 04:16.46 | Kevin2 | Do you want to be a developer as a profession, or are you just doing it as a hobby? |
| 04:18.21 | oppiz | well i want to kinda do both, right now i like my job, but i really want to get into kernel stuff and more hardcore programming |
| 04:23.13 | Kevin2 | Well, I don't think there are very many professional kernel programmers. Most paid developers aren't really very "hard core". But development in a firm usually has a lot more steps that are tedious -- documentation, release notes, production support, meetings, etc. |
| 04:24.54 | oppiz | Kevin2, that's cool, it's just so much to learn about linux, and hardware and such, i'm a little over my head playing in some of this stuff so it takes me along time to read the code and look ito everythng and man pages and header files |
| 04:27.36 | lkcl | oppiz: don't read _too_ carefully. skim it, then find some tools that will help you find things that you vaguely remember that you must have seen once before. |
| 04:27.59 | lkcl | i use vim with ctags, and i use find . | xargs grep -i <someword> a hell of a lot :) |
| 04:30.42 | Kevin2 | $ cat ~/bin/csearch |
| 04:30.42 | Kevin2 | #!/bin/bash |
| 04:30.42 | Kevin2 | exec find -name '*.[cCSh]' -o -name '*.[ch]pp' | xargs egrep "$@" |
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| 08:44.24 | RoEn_PC | moin |
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| 09:53.04 | goxboxlive | cr2: Still duplicated in htcuniversal_buttons.c: |
| 09:53.08 | goxboxlive | { KEY_F10, GPIOA_BUTTON_BACKLIGHT_N,1, "backlight_button"}, |
| 09:53.08 | goxboxlive | { KEY_F24, GPIOA_BUTTON_RECORD_N,1, "record_button"}, |
| 09:53.08 | goxboxlive | { KEY_F10, GPIOA_BUTTON_CAMERA_N,1, "camera_button"}, |
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| 10:00.16 | goxboxlive | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/linux/kernel26/include/linux/input_pda.h |
| 10:01.27 | BabelO | goxboxlive: hi, see opie svn |
| 10:02.12 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO : Yes i have seen it. I see that the zaurusclamshell is also using tslib |
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| 10:13.52 | goxboxlive | but the svn source failes because of tetrix source is missing. |
| 10:14.24 | BabelO | you can disabel it ? |
| 10:14.39 | BabelO | checkout finish for me, i have to try :) |
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| 10:31.26 | rob_w | hi |
| 10:31.39 | BabelO | hi rob_w |
| 10:31.48 | rob_w | morning |
| 10:34.48 | lpotter | tetrix added again.. svn seems buggy |
| 10:38.31 | BabelO | lpotter: thanks |
| 10:39.45 | goxboxlive | thx |
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| 11:59.40 | goxboxlive | lpotter: Yes it seems buggy, i am trying to build the zaurusclamshell device and it miss also asm/sharp_char.h |
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| 12:02.52 | BabelOued | goxboxlive: you have this file into device directory :) |
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| 12:43.00 | goxboxlive | But i am building a clean zaurusclamshell, no modified to universal, so shouldnt it just be there ? |
| 12:50.15 | BabelOued | do you have checked configure in devices/zaurusclamshell ? |
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| 14:20.15 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what KEY should be the camera ? what Fxx qtopia is using for it ? |
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| 15:46.20 | cr2 | added KEY_CAMERA and KEY_RECORD instead. |
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| 16:32.40 | BabelOued | lpotter: are you around ? |
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| 16:50.45 | Kevin2 | cr2: How do you support automatic screen rotation on Universal? |
| 16:54.59 | cr2 | { SW_TABLET_MODE, GPIOB_CLAMSHELL_N,1, "clamshell_rotate"}, |
| 16:55.48 | cr2 | but i don't know if it's the right way to do it. |
| 16:56.39 | cr2 | the difference between the KEY and SWITCH in the input subsystem is not completely obvious to me. |
| 16:59.17 | Kevin2 | cr2: Does it work from userspace? One needs to tell the input layer it is a switch, otherwise the SW_ value will conflict with a KEY_ value. |
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| 17:01.23 | cr2 | i have not tried it recently. maybe the asic3_keys needs a patch. |
| 17:11.33 | Hymie | geez.. you know, I really wish my palm Treo 600 had the things I wanted, like a nice screen and UTMS and such :/ I upgraded three months ago to the Hermes, and my PDA had almost full charge then. Now, 100 or so days later, my Palm Treo has 40% battery left... and it's been beeping off alerts and such the whole time |
| 17:11.43 | Hymie | that's just freaky incredible |
| 17:13.20 | Hymie | imagine, I could be sent 1000 years into the past, and with my copy of wikipedia and a full charge on my treo, I could probably take some local copper and build a minor generator by then |
| 17:16.31 | cr2 | you would have been sentenced for wizardry :) |
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| 17:30.47 | Hymie | cr2: yeah, but the wizards get all the babes |
| 17:36.45 | cr2 | yeah, they can allow themselves to waste time and money :) |
| 17:43.46 | oppiz | cr2 you around? |
| 18:08.14 | BabelOued | goxboxlive : opieII source compiled and running :) |
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| 20:10.05 | rob_w | hey ,, ive a party ... and u are all with me .. happy 2007zzzzz |
| 20:13.38 | RoEn_PC | rob_w: happy new 2007 :) |
| 20:16.34 | rob_w | RoEn_PC, hey |
| 20:16.46 | RoEn_PC | hi |
| 20:19.01 | cr2 | rob_w: the party will begin when ba will work in linux :) |
| 20:28.27 | rob_w | 2007 i say |
| 20:29.23 | rob_w | i ve i have my bio gas engine deamon network able i will introduce the ba type device to work with ,, then i can develop on it with a commercial goal |
| 20:29.33 | rob_w | if |
| 20:29.44 | oppiz | cr2 ? |
| 20:29.57 | oppiz | on the universal how do you control the keyboard backlight? |
| 20:30.15 | oppiz | keypressed or when fully open? |
| 20:31.11 | cr2 | oppiz: it's a led in /sys/... |
| 20:31.31 | cr2 | so it's completely left to the usespace gui. |
| 20:31.41 | oppiz | ok |
| 20:31.46 | oppiz | that's what i was wondering |
| 20:32.20 | cr2 | it's broken now, but you get the idea :) |
| 20:32.52 | oppiz | would it be improper in the apache to have it turn on when the jeyboard is 100% open, or should it always be userspace, it would dim with the backlight so battery wouldn't be a problem |
| 20:34.29 | rob_w | we would need a deamon for all the leds and situations .,.to get profiles of usage of each led |
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| 20:37.40 | cr2 | oppiz: such policy decisions are not the kernel's business. |
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| 21:02.51 | oppiz | rob_w, indeed |
| 21:30.32 | rob_w | yesa |
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| 21:53.45 | oppiz | Kevin2, does the reddot work at all with the keymap? |
| 21:54.10 | oppiz | ah indeed it does |
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| 23:49.50 | rob_w | first |
