| 00:04.16 | goxboxlive | cr2: I have sqlite3 in my repo, it's allreadu build |
| 00:04.25 | goxboxlive | i can mail it to you if you want it |
| 00:05.09 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i don't need the package itself. |
| 00:05.25 | cr2 | if it does not compile, we should fill an oe bug. |
| 00:05.31 | goxboxlive | ohh, allready sendt :-/ |
| 00:05.49 | pH5 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9: completed |
| 00:05.58 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 00:05.58 | goxboxlive | OK, i had it, so i guess it builds. Mine where build a couiple of days ago. |
| 00:06.00 | pH5 | built without problems |
| 00:07.16 | cr2 | will try to delete some old cruft. |
| 00:07.42 | cr2 | pH5: you have a normal 32bit machine ? |
| 00:08.13 | pH5 | yup, a puny P4 |
| 00:08.47 | cr2 | ok. |
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| 00:11.13 | goxboxlive | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.13 | goxboxlive | I: Validating Packages |
| 00:11.13 | goxboxlive | I: Resolving dependencies of required packages... |
| 00:11.13 | goxboxlive | I: Resolving dependencies of base packages... |
| 00:13.46 | cr2 | no. does not want to build. |
| 00:13.58 | goxboxlive | cr2: What doesnt build? |
| 00:14.57 | cr2 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9-r2: task do_compile: failed |
| 00:14.57 | cr2 | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 00:14.57 | cr2 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9: failed |
| 00:14.57 | cr2 | ERROR: Build of opie-image failed |
| 00:15.18 | cr2 | | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' |
| 00:15.18 | cr2 | | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific' |
| 00:15.18 | cr2 | | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_create' |
| 00:15.18 | cr2 | | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' |
| 00:15.18 | cr2 | | ./.libs/libsqlite3.so: undefined reference to `pthread_join' |
| 00:15.19 | cr2 | | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 00:15.30 | cr2 | -pthread is the problem. |
| 00:16.37 | cr2 | so i can't build opie-image |
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| 00:16.50 | goxboxlive | just try bitbake -DDD sqlite3 -crebuild |
| 00:17.17 | pH5 | cr2: didn't your glibc install libpthread into the staging area? |
| 00:20.08 | cr2 | did not help. |
| 00:20.09 | cr2 | pH5: i'm not using any hacks. just plain bitbake. |
| 00:20.09 | goxboxlive | But did you see anything you might miss in the debug messages? |
| 00:20.11 | cr2 | find tmp/staging/ -name libpth\* |
| 00:20.20 | cr2 | tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libpthread_nonshared.a |
| 00:20.20 | cr2 | tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libpthread-2.5.so |
| 00:20.20 | cr2 | tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libpthread.so |
| 00:20.20 | cr2 | tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 00:20.20 | cr2 | tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libpthread.a |
| 00:20.59 | cr2 | is -pthread a standard gcc flag now ? |
| 00:22.49 | goxboxlive | cr2: I can start a new fresh one building over night without any hacks |
| 00:23.04 | goxboxlive | Thn we can see if i get the same problem |
| 00:26.15 | pH5 | cr2: -pthread is a flag to libtool. are you using your distribution's libtool instead of the oe one? |
| 00:26.47 | pH5 | the above error looks like it might be missing a -lpthread somewhere |
| 00:27.45 | goxboxlive | cr2: This bug just come on the htc universal: <4>Alignment trap: iconvconfig (1759) PC=0x00009ef4 Instr=0xe5953000 Address=0x0004d73e FSR 0x013 What is it? |
| 00:30.25 | pH5 | arm ldr/str can only access memory locations at word boundaries. the kernel noticed a memory access at 0x0004d73e and tried to correct it. |
| 00:35.23 | cr2 | sloppy programming. |
| 00:35.56 | cr2 | strange pointer arithmetic. |
| 00:36.24 | goxboxlive | But cr2: could i build opie form cvs or do i have to try form a clean branch |
| 00:37.28 | goxboxlive | I can try form a clean, and build from cvs later |
| 00:37.39 | goxboxlive | started |
| 00:38.02 | goxboxlive | man, the debian installation takes a lot of time |
| 00:49.35 | nixu | by any chance can i comple the kernel on windows ? |
| 00:49.55 | nixu | i downloaded CodeSourcery for windows |
| 00:51.40 | nixu | ? :S |
| 00:51.55 | cr2 | nixu: nobody tried afaik. |
| 00:52.34 | cr2 | can be fun. create a botnet for oe compilation :) |
| 00:52.44 | pH5 | cr2: :D |
| 00:53.46 | nixu | .... |
| 00:55.33 | cr2 | i think kernel needs some other tools. |
| 00:55.50 | cr2 | make menuconfig is problematic |
| 00:57.11 | nixu | will see where i get stuck |
| 00:57.29 | cr2 | but make htcuniversal_defconfig may work. |
| 00:57.53 | cr2 | do you have cygwin installed ? |
| 00:58.06 | cr2 | you certainly will need 'make'. |
| 01:00.50 | nixu | got make from CodeSourcery |
| 01:01.09 | nixu | got UnxUtils |
| 01:01.11 | nixu | too |
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| 01:02.06 | nixu | how can i run make more verbose? |
| 01:02.07 | nixu | any idea? |
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| 01:02.41 | cr2 | make V=1 |
| 01:02.43 | phongred | good morning |
| 01:07.45 | cr2 | good night |
| 01:08.28 | phongred | ehe |
| 01:09.11 | nixu | any ide what is kbuild? |
| 01:25.35 | josh11 | hi cr2:) |
| 01:25.44 | josh11 | your truly a talented guy:) |
| 01:28.33 | josh11 | would it be possible after i get the wallaby running to run linux on it? |
| 01:28.47 | josh11 | or its memory is not suffice? |
| 01:33.49 | phongred | josh11 <== you know use Linux command |
| 01:33.54 | phongred | can you help me |
| 01:36.08 | goxboxlive | josh11: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWallaby |
| 02:04.07 | josh11 | sorry mate i am useless on linux |
| 02:06.36 | goxboxlive | It was just an answer to your question: Yes you are able to run Linux in a Wallaby. |
| 02:13.52 | nixu | 10x pax will give it a try later on on linux thou not on windows.. |
| 02:14.10 | nixu | off to sleep and keep that great work going on.. |
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| 02:40.36 | josh11 | guyz my upmost apologies i am so newbie compared to you guyz thxs for all your time or showing me etc |
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| 04:15.08 | Ralith | what's a good WM5 IRC client? |
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| 04:21.24 | DeadlyNinja | is it possible to connect to a regular modem ISP with a blueangel? |
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| 04:53.20 | rolando-ve | Hello! |
| 04:53.42 | rolando-ve | any one can help me please! |
| 04:54.09 | rolando-ve | and most to be patient or speak spanish |
| 04:54.11 | rolando-ve | :D |
| 04:54.49 | rolando-ve | I just wann do some questions :P |
| 04:57.23 | rolando-ve | Anyone know were can I find a HOWTO to change or replace the hasefroch in my HTC6700? |
| 05:46.23 | Hymie | DeadlyNinja: no... at least not with any speed, if it would even be possible. this is due to the fact that gsm compression is quite lossy, and you wouldn't get much speed out of it... |
| 05:46.52 | Hymie | DeadlyNinja: plus the towers do noise suppression and echo suppression |
| 05:47.33 | Hymie | DeadlyNinja: many years ago, some cellular providers with analog cell services allowed it, and some even had data modems at the NOC |
| 05:47.35 | Hymie | but anyhow |
| 05:47.37 | DeadlyNinja | Hymie, hmm darn. i think it would be an interesting software project for those people without gprs |
| 05:47.49 | DeadlyNinja | just found out i DO have gprs anyway, so it doesnt really matter for me |
| 05:48.03 | Hymie | DeadlyNinja: it would be interesting, but I can't see you getting more than 9600bps |
| 05:48.06 | Hymie | er |
| 05:48.08 | Hymie | baud |
| 05:48.15 | DeadlyNinja | yeah maybe worse |
| 05:48.37 | Hymie | Ralith: let me know if you find a good one, I wouldn't mind it |
| 05:49.21 | Hymie | bleh |
| 05:49.31 | Hymie | wm5 has so little software, compared to palm |
| 05:49.34 | Hymie | irc is trivial |
| 05:49.37 | Hymie | it's just telnet with a few things |
| 05:49.40 | Ralith | I know. |
| 05:49.42 | Hymie | you can even use |
| 05:49.43 | Hymie | ok ;) |
| 05:49.54 | Ralith | I've irc'd over telnet for the hell of it before :P |
| 05:50.09 | Hymie | more bother than it's worth, but yeah.. fun for the hell of it |
| 05:51.26 | Ralith | yep |
| 05:51.30 | Ralith | anyway |
| 05:51.39 | Ralith | seriously, what's required to code for WM5? |
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| 05:56.29 | phongred | love love youuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 06:00.22 | lucificifus | Kevin2, did you get a chance to look at that inf? |
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| 06:01.54 | rolando-ve | Hello again |
| 06:04.05 | rolando-ve | Please can anyone tell me another address or a mirror to the http://widespread.org/6700/ ??? |
| 06:05.08 | rolando-ve | I'm trying it http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ApacheProgress but i can't |
| 06:07.32 | Kevin2 | lucificifus: No, net yet. |
| 06:07.47 | lucificifus | cool cool :) keep me updated :) |
| 06:08.16 | Kevin2 | rolando-ve: The most up to date info on HTC Apache (aka ppc6700) is at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCApache |
| 06:14.00 | rolando-ve | Kevin2, thanks |
| 06:14.06 | rolando-ve | let me check! :D |
| 06:37.16 | TFGBD | Is there a Windows CE channel like this? |
| 06:38.13 | Hymie | TFGBD: this channel is about porting linux to these devices, so I don't see how, since wince already works on them ;) |
| 06:38.24 | Hymie | TFGBD: but I guess you meant just a nice devel channel |
| 06:38.28 | TFGBD | Yes. |
| 06:38.31 | Hymie | TFGBD: there must be, but ... I don't know where |
| 06:38.40 | Hymie | TFGBD: probably it's just small projects |
| 06:38.41 | Hymie | all over |
| 06:38.54 | Hymie | whereas this is for an entire OS, so it grabs more people with wider needs |
| 06:39.07 | TFGBD | It is quite depressing to see all these darn Linux channels everywhere(and even win32)...but no real enthusiast channels for CE other than icky warez channels... |
| 06:39.17 | Hymie | well :( |
| 06:39.25 | Hymie | I'm sorry, but it's a PITA to devel for windows :( |
| 06:39.29 | TFGBD | Doesn't XDA-devs have their own channel? |
| 06:39.45 | Hymie | part of the reason people are hgere, is to get rid of wince, due to the drawbacks it has :/ |
| 06:39.47 | TFGBD | They have some awesome hacks developed, etc. |
| 06:39.51 | Hymie | yeah |
| 06:40.00 | Hymie | there is indeed good work being done there for wince phones |
| 06:40.03 | Hymie | there might be |
| 06:40.10 | TFGBD | Which drawbacks? |
| 06:40.10 | Hymie | I didn't look, maybe post in the forum to see? |
| 06:40.33 | TFGBD | Well, I am actually suprised nobody has ever used their skill to port Windows CE BACK to devices already running it... |
| 06:40.36 | Hymie | well, there are many bugs that annoy me immensely, but people have to hack for hours to fix a 2 second patch, due to the closed source nature |
| 06:40.39 | Hymie | frankly |
| 06:40.43 | Hymie | I don't care if the os is free |
| 06:40.48 | Hymie | I just care that the code is open source |
| 06:40.50 | Hymie | so I can fix it |
| 06:40.53 | Hymie | even if I have to pay for it |
| 06:41.01 | TFGBD | Well, the kernel is shared source. |
| 06:41.35 | Hymie | the kernel is only part ofit, all the apps are problematic too.... and the drives for the hardware are closed usually by the phone manufacturers |
| 06:41.40 | Hymie | drivers |
| 06:41.56 | TFGBD | Yeah...thats what makes porting CE hard... |
| 06:42.01 | Hymie | again, I'd like to see it all open source.. but, that doesn't mean M$ has to give up ownership or rights |
| 06:42.03 | TFGBD | Even if you dump the ROM, the dlls will be invalid. |
| 06:42.36 | TFGBD | True: the devices already run Windows CE for Windows Mobile for Pocket PC...but I'm talking making a new WinCE BSP like done for linux... |
| 06:42.48 | Hymie | if you look at palmos, they opened up a lot of things, provided free devel kits, etc. PalmOS is hurting right now, but if you look at the number of apps that OS has, it's astounding |
| 06:42.50 | TFGBD | So anyone can build their own WinCE platorm with Platform Builder. |
| 06:42.55 | Hymie | ah |
| 06:43.00 | Hymie | see, that would be quite nice |
| 06:43.04 | TFGBD | I honestly hate Pocket PC |
| 06:43.10 | TFGBD | Its too crippled of a CE platform. |
| 06:43.14 | Hymie | yeah |
| 06:43.31 | Hymie | another example |
| 06:43.37 | TFGBD | I mean gost... Who did Pocket IE lose its ability to open multiple windows when CE 1.0 had it in 1996?! ;P |
| 06:43.41 | TFGBD | gosh( |
| 06:43.46 | Hymie | take a look at the LinkSYS routers that have open sourced code |
| 06:43.54 | TFGBD | I'd rather have my own custom CE OS than Linux, really. |
| 06:43.57 | Hymie | there are so many people that buy those things because they can alter them |
| 06:44.12 | TFGBD | As its the same OS and can run most of the Pocket PC software (with hacks) but there is more freedom. |
| 06:44.25 | Hymie | well, sure.. your preference is yours ;) |
| 06:44.32 | TFGBD | But its still not as drastic of a change as linux :P |
| 06:44.39 | Hymie | there is more linux software than pocketpc software though.. and it's cheaper |
| 06:44.42 | Hymie | yeah |
| 06:44.55 | TFGBD | Especially for x86 compared to CE ;) |
| 06:45.06 | Hymie | ? |
| 06:45.16 | TFGBD | CE is really hurting on x86...so I have decided to scour google for CE apps with an x86 build :) |
| 06:45.30 | Hymie | that's gotta be rare, heh |
| 06:45.36 | TFGBD | And compile those open source ones for it too. |
| 06:45.37 | Hymie | I guess the tablets might have that |
| 06:45.40 | TFGBD | well, its common with thin clients. |
| 06:45.43 | TFGBD | yeah, and tablets |
| 06:46.15 | Hymie | cygwin should work on those x86 tables under wince maybe |
| 06:46.15 | TFGBD | as well as some field computers and factory controlers. |
| 06:46.15 | Hymie | if not, that's too bad |
| 06:46.16 | TFGBD | Nope |
| 06:46.16 | Hymie | shame |
| 06:46.16 | TFGBD | CE can't run Win32 apps |
| 06:46.16 | Hymie | extra apps is always cood |
| 06:46.41 | TFGBD | THough, that one AMD presidian device actually claims to have a "Windows XP extensions for WinCE" with it. |
| 06:46.45 | TFGBD | whatever that may be.. |
| 06:46.55 | Hymie | heh |
| 06:46.59 | TFGBD | I'm guessing some kind of compatability dlls that let CE run some Win32 apps. |
| 06:47.16 | TFGBD | A HD dump would be very interesting indeed :) |
| 06:47.35 | TFGBD | http://tfgbd.web1000.com/x86%20CE%20software.txt |
| 06:47.41 | TFGBD | Eh...my list if you care ;) |
| 06:48.22 | Hymie | I'e found what I need, but it did take me a month moving from a Palm Treo to the Hermes |
| 06:48.29 | Hymie | trying to find all the apps I needed and such |
| 06:49.31 | Hymie | minimo |
| 06:49.32 | Hymie | man |
| 06:49.34 | Hymie | that pissed me off ;) |
| 06:49.38 | Hymie | buggy, large exe |
| 06:50.39 | TFGBD | Yeah, Minomo sucks hard :) |
| 06:51.02 | TFGBD | Doesn't it suck equally on Linux |
| 06:51.05 | TFGBD | ? |
| 06:51.12 | Hymie | naw |
| 06:51.17 | Hymie | mozilla is great on linux |
| 06:51.24 | Hymie | firefox too, but it's a bit too lean for me |
| 06:51.29 | TFGBD | Minimo? |
| 06:51.40 | Hymie | minimo is a port of mozilla |
| 06:51.46 | TFGBD | I know |
| 06:51.50 | Hymie | don't think there is a linux minimo |
| 06:51.52 | Hymie | oh |
| 06:51.52 | TFGBD | Firefox seems like it would be quite bloated. |
| 06:52.02 | Hymie | for mobiles |
| 06:52.02 | TFGBD | Yes there is. |
| 06:52.02 | Hymie | maybe |
| 06:52.02 | Hymie | dunno, haven't tried |
| 06:52.06 | TFGBD | It started for Linux and then the CE port came later. |
| 06:52.09 | Hymie | ah |
| 06:52.19 | TFGBD | It still supports both as far as I know. |
| 06:52.23 | Hymie | actually, every wince browser pisses me off |
| 06:52.29 | Hymie | the pie additions |
| 06:52.30 | TFGBD | Even IE CE? |
| 06:52.30 | Hymie | opera |
| 06:52.32 | Hymie | minimo |
| 06:52.37 | TFGBD | Opera? ;0 |
| 06:52.40 | Hymie | sucks |
| 06:52.45 | Hymie | pocket opera pisses me off |
| 06:52.46 | TFGBD | Opera Rocks everywhere :) |
| 06:52.50 | Hymie | but, it workse where pie doesn't work |
| 06:53.08 | TFGBD | You have not used IE CE 6, I take it :) |
| 06:53.18 | Hymie | don't believe so |
| 06:53.26 | TFGBD | That is the Windows CE port of deskop IE for embedded system use. |
| 06:53.38 | TFGBD | Another think that Pocket PC will of course never get. |
| 06:53.54 | TFGBD | thing |
| 06:54.01 | Hymie | well, if it incudes activex in any way, then I really wouldn't want it on my pocketpc |
| 06:54.05 | Hymie | IE is quite insecure |
| 06:54.06 | TFGBD | Why? |
| 06:54.18 | TFGBD | Eh...thats moot on CE. |
| 06:54.20 | Hymie | horribly, completely, utterly, the most insecure thing on the planet |
| 06:54.23 | Hymie | not at all |
| 06:54.30 | Hymie | I have sensitive data on my wince device |
| 06:54.33 | TFGBD | as it download activex controls |
| 06:54.38 | TFGBD | No version of IE for CE can |
| 06:54.45 | TFGBD | it can't* |
| 06:54.58 | TFGBD | it also can't very well use pc activex controls ;) |
| 06:55.15 | TFGBD | Even x86 CE can't, of course. |
| 06:55.29 | TFGBD | So what is the problem? |
| 06:55.38 | Hymie | with which? |
| 06:55.42 | Hymie | .whois tfgdb |
| 06:55.46 | TFGBD | ? |
| 06:56.00 | Hymie | the US! what are you doing up at 2am! |
| 06:56.08 | TFGBD | Talking about CE ;) |
| 06:56.12 | Hymie | !!! |
| 06:56.26 | the_sys0p | I'm in the US too, but it's only 11pm for me. Hehe... |
| 06:56.59 | Hymie | well, I'm in Canada, and I'm expected to be up at 2am, because this time of year the day is like 6 hours.. it's hard to tell when it is night and day, and you lose sync sometimes ;) |
| 06:57.10 | the_sys0p | Ah, hehe. |
| 06:57.26 | Hymie | the sun doesn't rise very high in the sky either |
| 06:57.36 | Hymie | so, it doesn't "shine in" on you |
| 06:57.39 | TFGBD | I'm suprised that Pocket PC still ships with the same old Terminal Services client from 1999... |
| 06:57.51 | TFGBD | Where as embedded CE ships a straight port of the desktop one. |
| 06:57.55 | Hymie | I blame the_sys0p for that |
| 06:58.02 | Hymie | he personally is liable |
| 06:58.04 | Hymie | and I intend to sue |
| 06:58.07 | the_sys0p | It's true. |
| 06:58.07 | Hymie | !!!!!! |
| 06:58.12 | the_sys0p | I'm such a tool. :( |
| 06:58.13 | TFGBD | Just a few more examples of the "dumbed down" pocket pc. |
| 07:00.24 | TFGBD | I agree that CE is lacking in the 3rd party free software department, though. |
| 07:00.50 | TFGBD | Though, I think my x86 CE software list doubles as a pretty extensive OSS WinCE software list as well. :) |
| 07:01.24 | Hymie | well, good luck dude... I've gotta get some stuff done |
| 07:03.17 | TFGBD | What issues would you have with ActiveX on CE? |
| 07:03.55 | TFGBD | Pocket IE of course supports it. |
| 07:08.38 | Ralith | hm |
| 07:09.06 | Ralith | how do I access the filesystem of a Universal from linux? |
| 07:09.12 | Ralith | a linux PC, that is |
| 07:09.40 | TFGBD | SynCE? |
| 07:11.40 | Ralith | thanks |
| 07:12.19 | TFGBD | I assume is running Windows CE still. |
| 07:12.59 | Ralith | yeah; won't be switching to pure Linux until it's polished and fully usable :P |
| 07:13.17 | TFGBD | Good. :P\ |
| 07:13.23 | TFGBD | CE pwnz j00! ;) |
| 07:13.34 | Ralith | haha, yeah right |
| 07:14.05 | TFGBD | And of course there is nothing for Linux regarding GPS navigation. ;) |
| 07:14.37 | Ralith | nothing pocketpc sized, anyway |
| 07:14.39 | Ralith | but that's a matter of time |
| 07:14.44 | Ralith | and the Universal doesn't have a gps anyway |
| 07:14.54 | TFGBD | What do you mean nothing Pocket PC sized> |
| 07:15.01 | TFGBD | There is nothing for ARM as far as I know. |
| 07:15.06 | TFGBD | I mean decent, commercial quality. |
| 07:15.14 | Ralith | ah. |
| 07:15.16 | TFGBD | As maps are not free. |
| 07:15.31 | Ralith | put together a computer-readable map db and a small bounty and you'll have one :P |
| 07:15.36 | TFGBD | Heh. |
| 07:15.48 | TFGBD | Maybe many years from now :) |
| 07:15.59 | Ralith | *shrug* |
| 07:16.01 | Ralith | winece ;) |
| 07:16.01 | TFGBD | But its not there now and CE has 30++ solutions. :) |
| 07:16.17 | TFGBD | Theres a reason like 60% of all in one nav systems are running CE ;) |
| 07:16.35 | Ralith | otoh, it's one of only very few things that CE DOES have sufficient options for |
| 07:16.46 | Ralith | and all-in-one systems can be whatever they like, because they're proprietary :P |
| 07:16.51 | TFGBD | Not relaly |
| 07:16.54 | Ralith | they're often CE because windows is so widespread |
| 07:16.54 | TFGBD | really( |
| 07:17.17 | TFGBD | Quite a few are actually running the $3 Windows CE core with an OEM version of a Pocket PC navigation app. |
| 07:17.27 | Ralith | huh. |
| 07:17.30 | Ralith | makes sense |
| 07:17.37 | TFGBD | And in different markets they of course come bundled with different nav apps. |
| 07:17.57 | TFGBD | The other nice thing is that they are easily hacked into a full CE computer ;) |
| 07:18.05 | Ralith | hehe |
| 07:18.06 | Ralith | hmm |
| 07:18.09 | TFGBD | For most you basicly just replace an exe on the SD card ;P |
| 07:18.10 | Ralith | ok |
| 07:18.21 | Ralith | so an app added itself to autostart on my Universal |
| 07:18.24 | Ralith | and I uninstalled the app |
| 07:18.35 | Ralith | and now I get a 'file not found' error on soft reset |
| 07:18.44 | Ralith | where's the autostart entry? |
| 07:18.54 | TFGBD | Check \Windows\Startup and then HKLN\init |
| 07:19.06 | TFGBD | HKLM\init in the registry* |
| 07:19.18 | Ralith | the latter's empty |
| 07:19.45 | Ralith | ahah |
| 07:19.50 | Ralith | startup folder it is |
| 07:19.51 | Ralith | thanks |
| 07:21.09 | TFGBD | ok |
| 07:21.29 | TFGBD | What is Windows CE for Pocket PC lacking in your opinion? |
| 07:22.07 | Ralith | organization |
| 07:22.12 | Ralith | efficiency |
| 07:22.14 | Ralith | intuitive ui |
| 07:22.34 | Ralith | an obvious way to close programs instead of minimizing them >:| |
| 07:22.39 | Ralith | lack of configurability |
| 07:22.52 | Ralith | free software |
| 07:23.30 | TFGBD | Ah. Then your gripes are mainly with Pocket PC which I also dislike. |
| 07:23.34 | TFGBD | I personally dislike Pocket PC but I love plain embedded CE. |
| 07:23.48 | TFGBD | I personally prefer the Explorer shell. :) |
| 07:23.55 | Ralith | :P |
| 07:24.01 | Ralith | hm |
| 07:24.12 | Ralith | can't find how/where/as what binary synce installed |
| 07:24.40 | TFGBD | http://www.hpcfactor.com/reviews/software/microsoft/dot-net/002-desktop.gif |
| 07:25.00 | Ralith | neat |
| 07:25.11 | TFGBD | Pocket PC is a very dumbed-down Windows CE platform, in my opinion. |
| 07:25.23 | Ralith | how the crap do I run synce >:| |
| 07:25.41 | TFGBD | I dunno. I never really even used *nix. I just know it... :/ |
| 07:25.45 | Ralith | heh |
| 07:26.04 | TFGBD | I hate "smart minimize" with a passion. |
| 07:26.19 | TFGBD | Pocket PC is way to "dumbed down" like PalmOS in my opinion. |
| 07:26.32 | Ralith | when I press the X, I want it to do what it does on every single other platform; I want it to CLOSE THE PROGRAM |
| 07:26.41 | Ralith | glad I got a device with plenty of ram. |
| 07:26.59 | TFGBD | Well, you can of course instll an app that makes smart minimize close things. |
| 07:27.19 | Ralith | but then when I occasionally DO want to just minimize... |
| 07:27.25 | TFGBD | I mean...gosh.... Pocket PC PIE can't even open a second window yet Windows CE 1.0 PIE from 1996 can! |
| 07:27.35 | Ralith | :P |
| 07:28.02 | TFGBD | And of courae the Pocket PC Common dialogs are limited to \My Documents |
| 07:28.18 | Ralith | ? |
| 07:28.23 | TFGBD | but thats not a CE problem. Its was done in Pocket PC on purpose to "confuse the user less" or somesuch. |
| 07:28.31 | Ralith | -_- |
| 07:29.03 | TFGBD | This: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/illus/9/20/90420.jpg |
| 07:30.03 | Ralith | ? |
| 07:30.42 | TFGBD | http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Cupertino/2039/gsgetfile/gsgetfilei.html |
| 07:31.18 | TFGBD | The HPC/Plain File dialogs are far more robust and let you open any file from anywhere. |
| 07:31.29 | TFGBD | This was also present in CE 1.0 |
| 07:31.52 | TFGBD | The flatness of the UI is another "feature" to confuse users less. |
| 07:32.15 | TFGBD | According to MS, users were confused" by 3d buttons/ui elements |
| 07:32.28 | TFGBD | of previous Windows CE platforms. |
| 07:32.36 | Ralith | -_- |
| 07:32.47 | Ralith | "OMG IT POPS OUT, WHAT DO I DO" |
| 07:32.57 | Ralith | what did MS test on, monkeys? |
| 07:33.03 | TFGBD | Heh. I dunno. |
| 07:33.13 | TFGBD | I'll get the article if you are interested :P |
| 07:33.25 | TFGBD | Its quite funny to read why they dumbed it down so much... |
| 07:34.30 | Ralith | sure |
| 07:37.13 | TFGBD | Heres one |
| 07:37.14 | TFGBD | A Pocket PC application is still a Windows application, so it has a message loop, a main window, and window procedures. However, some new requirements do change the design a bit. First, a Pocket PC application must make sure that only one copy of itself is running at any one time. The operating system doesn't ensure this — that is the application's job. Second, instead of using a command bar — as do other Windows CE applications — Poc |
| 07:37.41 | TFGBD | Haha, |
| 07:42.02 | TFGBD | Because the Pocket PC is based on Windows CE, dialog boxes act by default as they do in any Windows system: They are created with the standard Win32 functions such as CreateDialog, they are created by the dialog manager based on dialog box resource templates, and they have dialog box procedures. However, the user interface guidelines for the Pocket PC specify that dialog boxes should be full screen so as not to confuse the user. In ad |
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| 07:54.20 | Ralith | yay, synce works |
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| 07:57.15 | Ralith | well |
| 07:57.17 | Ralith | almost works |
| 07:57.22 | Ralith | is looking likely to work. |
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| 07:58.06 | rolando-ve | Hi again! :P |
| 07:58.19 | rolando-ve | Sorry for my questions :S |
| 07:58.31 | rolando-ve | here I go again :D |
| 07:58.59 | rolando-ve | I don't know how to do that "Build and compile the kernel using the config located in linux/kernel26/arch/arm/configs/htcapache_defconfig" |
| 07:59.18 | rolando-ve | I all ready download all th CV |
| 07:59.20 | rolando-ve | CVS |
| 07:59.40 | rolando-ve | I al ready do run Linux with the harret |
| 07:59.56 | rolando-ve | but I can compile yet |
| 08:00.09 | rolando-ve | how can i compile please |
| 08:00.13 | rolando-ve | :D |
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| 08:02.33 | TFGBD | The Start menu is located in the upper-left corner of the screen because this is the first place users tend to look. This allows the Start menu to open on top of the current application, making the transition to a new application less jarring. Additionally, this placement allows the Start menu to serve as a persistent application title bar when the Start menu is not deployed, thus consolidating controls and saving screen space. |
| 08:02.51 | TFGBD | get the idea, Ralith? :P |
| 08:06.26 | TFGBD | The Microsoft Windows Powered Pocket PC and Windows Powered Smartphone user interfaces have been optimized for navigating and viewing user data. Their hierarchical structures are intentionally "flat" or simple, allowing users to easily navigate, locate, and view their data. Applications are opened through Today/Home screen components, the Start menu (Pocket PC) or Programs menu (Smartphone), or the hardware keys. Each application typi |
| 08:18.45 | rolando-ve | Please! can anyone help me??? |
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| 08:27.05 | RalithPhone | whee, phone IRC! |
| 08:27.16 | RalithPhone | :D |
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| 08:41.09 | phongred | hello lucificifus |
| 08:41.35 | lucificifus | hey phongred :) |
| 08:41.51 | phongred | lol |
| 08:41.56 | phongred | waht time |
| 08:41.59 | phongred | what time? |
| 08:42.04 | lucificifus | 02:00 :D |
| 08:42.10 | phongred | oh hehe |
| 08:42.19 | phongred | you dont Sleep? |
| 08:42.30 | lucificifus | :P its friday, I'm watching tv :D |
| 08:42.36 | phongred | oh hhee |
| 08:42.56 | phongred | today is friday you go to dance hehe |
| 08:43.15 | phongred | in vuetnam today satuday 15:45' |
| 08:43.18 | phongred | vietnam |
| 08:43.27 | lucificifus | :P |
| 08:43.57 | phongred | i cant setup linux with blueangel lol |
| 08:44.17 | lucificifus | aww :( well, we'll see if we can fix that :D |
| 08:44.44 | phongred | blueangel 2005 |
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| 08:46.49 | lucificifus | sorry, back phongred |
| 08:48.22 | lucificifus | so, I'm going to try to get my PPC to connect to my Windows machine over SSH |
| 08:48.35 | lucificifus | I'll let you know how I get it to work in a few here phongred |
| 08:54.05 | rolando-ve | lucificifus, may you help me please |
| 08:54.08 | rolando-ve | ? |
| 08:54.30 | TFGBD | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.38 | lucificifus | rolando-ve, sure, lets see what I can do for you :) |
| 08:54.40 | TFGBD | What are your thoughts on this arrogant view by MS? |
| 08:55.04 | rolando-ve | well, I wann compile my kernel for ma HTC PCC6700 |
| 08:55.24 | rolando-ve | but have an error |
| 08:55.45 | rolando-ve | say somthing about arm.gcc |
| 08:55.55 | lucificifus | rolando-ve, ok :) what is your flavor of linux? |
| 08:56.38 | lucificifus | flavor, distro, distrobution, etc. :) |
| 08:56.42 | rolando-ve | Ubuntu |
| 08:56.48 | rolando-ve | :D |
| 08:56.53 | rolando-ve | Edgy |
| 08:56.57 | rolando-ve | XD |
| 08:57.05 | lucificifus | ok, rolando-ve, let me look up a howto on how to install cross-compile for ARM |
| 08:57.22 | rolando-ve | Thanks! :D |
| 09:01.46 | lucificifus | rolando-ve, how did you install GCC? |
| 09:01.57 | rolando-ve | apt-get instal gcc |
| 09:03.12 | rolando-ve | and others pack with the apt.get install build-essentials |
| 09:04.05 | lucificifus | allright 1m |
| 09:09.09 | lucificifus | ok, rolando-ve: download a copy of the GCC source, compile it with GCC ARM support, then do make install. Find a good howto on how to do this :) I can't , for ubuntu :) |
| 09:10.09 | lucificifus | but Ubuntu does NOT have a prebuilt gcc-arm in the apt repositiories (i THINK, you can check, but I'm not sure) |
| 09:10.21 | Ralith | find a .deb or a repo that does have it |
| 09:10.37 | rolando-ve | Ok |
| 09:10.40 | rolando-ve | thanks! |
| 09:10.43 | lucificifus | Ralith, I use Gentoo, I'm not familiar with apt and stuff :) |
| 09:10.47 | lucificifus | :P |
| 09:10.48 | rolando-ve | I' l |
| 09:11.02 | rolando-ve | :D |
| 09:11.09 | lucificifus | oh, and rolando-ve, try using http://people.debian.org/~debacle/cross/ <-- for Debian info on a cross development environment |
| 09:11.29 | rolando-ve | Excelent! thanks again |
| 09:12.16 | rolando-ve | realy I only wanna use any linux in my PCC6700 :D |
| 09:12.36 | rolando-ve | lucificifus, thanks a LOT !!!! |
| 09:12.37 | lucificifus | hehe :P |
| 09:12.51 | lucificifus | rolando-ve, of course :) I love to help ;P |
| 09:14.10 | lucificifus | Ralith, ever heard of Scratchbox? (http://www.scratchbox.org/) |
| 09:16.34 | kimuSan^ | morning |
| 09:16.47 | lucificifus | morning indeed, kimuSan^ :D 2:17 AM :D |
| 09:19.11 | kimuSan^ | heh 10:18am here |
| 09:20.00 | Ralith | this might seem like a silly question |
| 09:20.12 | Ralith | but how do you shut down a wm5 device? |
| 09:20.46 | lucificifus | Ralith, you dont. ^-^ I've had mine for WEEKS but I cant for the life of me do anything but remove the battery to turn it off... |
| 09:21.12 | Ralith | have you at least found a way to close programs without using the task manager? |
| 09:21.55 | lucificifus | Ralith, I try to use programs with an "Exit" in the menu >< |
| 09:22.10 | Ralith | -_- |
| 09:22.22 | Ralith | that system has the worst UI ever. |
| 09:22.57 | lucificifus | Ralith, tell me about it. I wanted linux the instant I booted it and saw how CRAPPY the bluetooth stack and audio options were |
| 09:23.16 | Ralith | :P |
| 09:23.24 | lucificifus | XD |
| 09:23.39 | Ralith | and that's not even getting into the horrendous software selection |
| 09:23.54 | lucificifus | Right. I went as far to try and code my own J2ME IAX client |
| 09:24.08 | lucificifus | because I couldn't find a single decent VOIP app |
| 09:24.25 | lucificifus | I even payed for 2 differnet apps! |
| 09:24.31 | Ralith | -_- |
| 09:24.59 | phongred | sorry lucificifus |
| 09:24.59 | lucificifus | so I'm switching to linux, because I can't stand it XD |
| 09:24.59 | phongred | i'm go out lol |
| 09:24.59 | Ralith | and what's up with opera mobile? |
| 09:24.59 | Ralith | isn't opera supposed to be free now? |
| 09:25.03 | phongred | now i off time, notworking |
| 09:25.13 | TFGBD | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/12/mobile-crossings-wpx-handheld-has-flashy-lights-and-bto-specs/ |
| 09:25.15 | phongred | now i go home!lol |
| 09:25.18 | phongred | bye bye |
| 09:25.21 | lucificifus | phongred, hehe bye :) |
| 09:25.26 | phongred | see you tomorrow |
| 09:25.39 | TFGBD | I think they made the desktop one free so they could sell the mobile and OEM emebdded ones now,,, |
| 09:25.40 | lucificifus | Ralith, no idea :D haven't looked into it :) |
| 09:25.41 | TFGBD | Just a guess. |
| 09:25.54 | phongred | tomorro you training to me setup linux okie? |
| 09:26.00 | Ralith | lucificifus, well, pocket IE sucks worse than a raw HTML rendering pane |
| 09:26.22 | phongred | sorry my english very bad lol |
| 09:26.24 | TFGBD | How about IE 6? |
| 09:26.34 | Ralith | ? |
| 09:26.44 | TFGBD | Internet Explorer 6.0 |
| 09:26.50 | TFGBD | IE 6 CE is a port of it to CE. |
| 09:26.57 | Ralith | ah |
| 09:27.01 | Ralith | no idea |
| 09:27.01 | lucificifus | Ralith, NO JOKE, its terrible! I ran a SWT app in J9 and it was fast, and effective |
| 09:27.08 | TFGBD | Would desktop IE be on it be better to you you think? |
| 09:27.15 | Ralith | all I want is usable tabbed browsing and noncrappy rendering |
| 09:27.21 | Ralith | which IE has neither of in any incarnation |
| 09:27.33 | TFGBD | Whats wrong with Pocket IE other than it still shows some of its heritage from the 1996 Windows CE 1.0 one? :P |
| 09:27.47 | Ralith | can't handle large pages |
| 09:27.47 | lucificifus | XD slow, poor rendering, no "Save As..." |
| 09:27.50 | Ralith | reformatted or otherwise |
| 09:28.11 | Ralith | bad view controls |
| 09:28.11 | TFGBD | Well, tabbed browsing is easily implemented as a better app to host the Pocket IE or IE CE activex control(s) |
| 09:28.25 | TFGBD | Well, really...thats the host EXE's fault if anything. |
| 09:28.43 | TFGBD | I am honestly suprised there are not SHITLOADS of IEXEPLORE.exe replacement host exes! |
| 09:28.47 | Ralith | IE is a browser, not a rendering lib :P |
| 09:28.50 | TFGBD | Yes it is |
| 09:29.01 | TFGBD | On CE is a rendering dll/activex control |
| 09:29.16 | Ralith | it uses a* |
| 09:29.20 | Ralith | as it does everywhere else too |
| 09:30.03 | DeadlyNinja_ | how is pocket opera? is it tabbed? |
| 09:30.06 | TFGBD | Yes |
| 09:30.12 | TFGBD | But PIE can be tabbed too. |
| 09:30.16 | TFGBD | Just use FTXPBrowser |
| 09:30.22 | DeadlyNinja_ | hmm |
| 09:30.26 | lucificifus | I intend to have linux running soon enough :D |
| 09:30.37 | Ralith | kernel hacker? |
| 09:30.41 | TFGBD | It should be trivial to write another host app for the IE COM component |
| 09:30.46 | Ralith | DeadlyNinja_, yeah |
| 09:30.50 | TFGBD | I am really shocked there are not shitloads for CE! |
| 09:30.57 | TFGBD | and at least one open source one.. |
| 09:31.00 | Ralith | TFGBD, there's like nothing for CE :P |
| 09:31.08 | TFGBD | I know... :/ |
| 09:31.10 | TFGBD | So sad... |
| 09:31.19 | TFGBD | I'd love it to be my desktop OS if there was more for x86 :/ |
| 09:31.22 | Ralith | this is why we might as well ditch it and go linux |
| 09:31.33 | TFGBD | Sorry, linux bores me. |
| 09:31.36 | Ralith | that's.... bizarre |
| 09:31.37 | TFGBD | Too common. ;) |
| 09:31.47 | Ralith | you collect obscure and out-of-place systems? |
| 09:31.49 | TFGBD | CE is more obscure and/or unique/fun. |
| 09:31.53 | Ralith | :P |
| 09:31.56 | TFGBD | Yes :) |
| 09:32.08 | Ralith | run the latest amiga OS atop an emulation layer |
| 09:32.17 | goxboxlive | :-) Debian is running on Universal |
| 09:32.26 | Ralith | goxboxlive, wait, you're serious? |
| 09:32.27 | TFGBD | ARM CE is quite capable. |
| 09:32.34 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 09:32.38 | lucificifus | goxboxlive, nice :D |
| 09:32.38 | TFGBD | As there is at least shitloads of software for it. |
| 09:32.40 | Ralith | how's hardware support? |
| 09:32.58 | lucificifus | TFGBD, sorry for being the neophyte... CE vs. WM2005? |
| 09:33.18 | Ralith | goxboxlive, I demand a summary of hardware support and a link! |
| 09:33.19 | TFGBD | Pocket PC is a Windows CE based platform |
| 09:33.25 | TFGBD | Its a subset of emebedded CE. |
| 09:33.42 | TFGBD | Embedded CE is a componentized OS that cab be customized very heavility. |
| 09:33.47 | TFGBD | heavily* |
| 09:34.10 | TFGBD | Windows Mobile for Pocket PC/Smartphone are kind of "distros" of CE made by ms and customized for PDA use. |
| 09:34.10 | goxboxlive | i dont know yet, i have just started it. But i think the hardware stuff should be as with Angstrom, i am still using hh.org kernel |
| 09:34.24 | Ralith | goxboxlive, that went over my head. |
| 09:34.56 | goxboxlive | I am using debian boostrap , but still hh.org kernel and modules |
| 09:35.14 | Ralith | no, I got that |
| 09:35.21 | Ralith | but I dunno wtc an Angstrom is. |
| 09:35.23 | TFGBD | can( |
| 09:35.28 | lucificifus | TFGBD, so... is there a OSS CE? |
| 09:35.32 | TFGBD | Sorta |
| 09:35.36 | TFGBD | Its "shared source" |
| 09:35.41 | TFGBD | and you do get the kernel and most drivers. |
| 09:35.48 | TFGBD | and the shell source as well |
| 09:35.49 | goxboxlive | Ralith: It's an distro for embedded devices |
| 09:35.55 | TFGBD | but not some things like GWES.exe |
| 09:35.59 | lucificifus | TFGBD, so, are there commercially available CE platforms worth buying? |
| 09:36.11 | lucificifus | or at least trying :D |
| 09:36.12 | TFGBD | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/12/mobile-crossings-wpx-handheld-has-flashy-lights-and-bto-specs/ |
| 09:36.16 | TFGBD | This looks interesting :P |
| 09:36.21 | Ralith | goxboxlive, just tell me how good you think hardware support is :P |
| 09:36.36 | TFGBD | A lot of these PMP things from Korea seem to be running CE 5 on some 400mhz AMD MIPS processors too. |
| 09:37.42 | goxboxlive | Ralith: For the Universal with Linux on it? http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
| 09:37.59 | TFGBD | Pocket PC is a standard platform like Windows XP so of course it can't be customized too much...it would break compatability. |
| 09:38.01 | Ralith | ah. |
| 09:38.24 | lucificifus | TFGBD, thanks :) so linux it is ;P |
| 09:38.48 | TFGBD | Heh |
| 09:39.00 | Ralith | goxboxlive, ah, so not quite usable yet. |
| 09:39.08 | TFGBD | Still, CE has more software in some categorys than Linux or even XP. |
| 09:39.13 | TFGBD | Mainly GPS stuff. |
| 09:40.04 | TFGBD | Some owners of CarPCs running XP or Linux are actually so desperate for decent navigation software that they try to run it in a Pocket PC ARM emulator ;P |
| 09:40.33 | TFGBD | BTW: Awesome CE device: http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/07/hannuri-biz-brings-wifi-to-the-electronic-dictionary/ |
| 09:40.33 | Ralith | haha |
| 09:41.06 | Ralith | goxboxlive, good to hear it's getting along, though; sounds like it won't be too much longer. |
| 09:41.42 | TFGBD | if you just want Pocket IE with tabbed browsing, get this: http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/en/index.php?soft=686 |
| 09:42.10 | TFGBD | Or this: http://users.tpg.com.au/lordf/anoriginalidea/webby.htm |
| 09:42.24 | TFGBD | Which is suprisingly ok for something written in .NET |
| 09:42.36 | lucificifus | TFGBD, yeah. My _ONLY_ use for the HTC Apache I bought is 1) EVDO Modem 2) PIM. I _really_ want good VOIP software... but I can't find any worth keeping. I've tried XPDA, SJPHone, ESCSoftphone... bought XPDA, but no Bluetooth support. I'm going to either implement a bluetooth compat wifiphone, or write one myself |
| 09:42.50 | TFGBD | Isn't Skype? |
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| 09:42.56 | TFGBD | Did you not try SJPhone? |
| 09:43.05 | lucificifus | TFGBD, yeah, but no Bluetooth Headset support :( |
| 09:43.05 | TFGBD | Most of the Win32 VOIP apps have a CE version. |
| 09:43.11 | TFGBD | X-Ten? |
| 09:43.13 | TFGBD | Ah.. |
| 09:43.20 | TFGBD | I never even used a device with bluetooth |
| 09:43.26 | TFGBD | I know nothing of it. |
| 09:43.43 | TFGBD | I never even saw a PC with bluetooth. |
| 09:43.52 | lucificifus | TFGBD, every device I own works with it :D |
| 09:44.04 | TFGBD | Not one device I own works with it. |
| 09:44.21 | TFGBD | But of course, I avoid Pocket PC like the plague and stick with Handheld PC and custom CE OS devices. |
| 09:44.30 | TFGBD | And I'm cheap. |
| 09:44.40 | TFGBD | So BT is out of the question ;) |
| 09:45.27 | TFGBD | I hope those two browsers are a but better than the IE Container control host app that comes with Pocket PC. |
| 09:45.37 | TFGBD | I still can't figure out why Pocket IE got so dumbed down... |
| 09:45.57 | TFGBD | I guess its to make it easier for people to use. |
| 09:46.24 | TFGBD | As older versions of Pocket IE could open as many windows as the amount of RAM. |
| 09:46.47 | TFGBD | MS has a tabbed PIE on their site as well( I just discovered it) |
| 09:47.21 | TFGBD | http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/downloads/starterkits/default.aspx |
| 09:52.53 | TFGBD | This should help in writing a Pocket IE host application if anyone so desires: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa451885.aspx |
| 09:59.12 | TFGBD | Ok...goodnight. |
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| 10:05.50 | kimuSan^ | Ralith: typically you shut down the device by holding down the standby/poweoff button for some seconds. |
| 10:06.34 | kimuSan^ | and there is tons of apps that can act as taskmanager and even change the X button to close and not just hide the application |
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| 11:17.22 | goxboxlive | good morning everyone. |
| 11:22.07 | pH5 | good morning goxboxlive |
| 11:23.33 | goxboxlive | pH5: Do you use any local hacks in oe.dev for your machine? |
| 11:27.25 | pH5 | goxboxlive: nothing really machine specific. I always try to push to .dev asap (unless I forget). |
| 11:27.31 | pH5 | this is my current diff: http://en.pastebin.ca/315121 |
| 11:29.04 | goxboxlive | I think it is a good idea to have a common machine.conf file, but koen said that it was tested with the IPAQ devices and it didnt came out succesfully |
| 11:30.41 | goxboxlive | pH5: I see, it's mostly the same local conf i have to build an gpe image. I also have some others, but those are for Opie. |
| 11:32.42 | pH5 | goxboxlive: I think I agree with koen. Nevertheless, we could try how it works out. Starting with a kernel configuration for all phones... |
| 11:33.44 | goxboxlive | pH5: Yes, we should have a common kernel defconfig working before we go firther to have a common "htcphone.conf" file i guess. |
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| 11:51.43 | pH5 | goxboxlive: if you start a common defconfig, I'd be happy to test it on the magician. |
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| 13:48.43 | cr2 | hi |
| 13:49.21 | cr2 | pH5: a common kernel config, or a common gpe config, or a common opie config, or a common qtopia config ? |
| 13:49.22 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 13:49.35 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 13:51.39 | cr2 | BabelO: did martin-s answer you ? otherwise we need to find some other location for our tree. |
| 13:52.20 | BabelO | cr2: no answer :( |
| 13:53.54 | cr2 | ok. i need to think about jornada820. if i'll make the working 2.6.19 kernel there, we can use the site without any second thought. |
| 13:56.22 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO / cr2 |
| 13:56.30 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 13:56.55 | BabelO | goxboxlive: do you try to use vsexplorer with opieII/Qtopia ? :) |
| 13:57.02 | goxboxlive | cr2: We where talking about a common machine.conf in oe.dev. But first of all we need a common kernel .config |
| 13:57.16 | goxboxlive | BabelO: no i havent |
| 13:57.31 | cr2 | goxboxlive: it is not going to be easy. |
| 13:58.47 | goxboxlive | The OE-devs said that hey tried it with IPAQ's but it wasent succesfull. So they went back to individuals devices instead |
| 13:58.56 | cr2 | we can't even build asic3 as a module now, and magician et al. certainly do not need it. |
| 13:59.44 | goxboxlive | right |
| 13:59.46 | cr2 | goxboxlive: common kernel config is not really necessary, but a common userspace. |
| 14:00.18 | cr2 | let's do a common opie image now |
| 14:00.44 | cr2 | and i'll make sure that we will build a common qtopia image. |
| 14:00.53 | goxboxlive | good |
| 14:01.21 | cr2 | i'm trying to build the oe opie-image now with the latest patches by psokolovsky |
| 14:02.01 | goxboxlive | i have tried to build opie overnight, but it failes. Now i just deleted every thing in the work directory and starting up again with the content that psokolovsky gave me in local.conf (sentd you a copy of it) |
| 14:02.33 | cr2 | failed in the sqlite3 again. |
| 14:02.37 | goxboxlive | He says that our keyboard should work now without any dirty tricks |
| 14:02.48 | cr2 | ok, i'll look at the new local.conf |
| 14:03.41 | goxboxlive | it's nothing new, just some stuff to add so you can build Opie. |
| 14:03.57 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
| 14:04.01 | goxboxlive | I dont have the sqlite3 bug. Got to be something you miss |
| 14:04.05 | psokolovsky | cr2, did you kill tmp/? |
| 14:04.35 | cr2 | psokolovsky: for the sqlite3 package ? yes. |
| 14:04.47 | psokolovsky | cr2, entire tmp/ . |
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| 14:05.59 | cr2 | hmm. ok. |
| 14:06.50 | cr2 | will take some time though. |
| 14:06.57 | psokolovsky | cr2, on the New Year, there were major structural changes to staging layout, which require rebuild from scratch. if you didn't do that, you need to kill tmp/. |
| 14:07.13 | goxboxlive | Now i have stated to build a opie image with psok's content in local.conf. I havent touched the oe.dev files at all now. Lets see if it builds. |
| 14:08.25 | cr2 | psokolovsky: ok, i have not cleaned it since ages. |
| 14:09.01 | cr2 | hehe. 12GB in tmp/ |
| 14:12.09 | cr2 | goxboxlive: can you pastebin your local.conf, so we stay in sync ? |
| 14:26.06 | goxboxlive | cr2: of course |
| 14:27.36 | goxboxlive | cr2: here you are http://pastebin.ca/315312 |
| 14:28.28 | cr2 | UTGAVE = "-20071029" |
| 14:28.33 | goxboxlive | The "Diverse extra" stuff doesnt seem to work |
| 14:28.37 | cr2 | i hvae deleted it. |
| 14:28.40 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 14:29.08 | goxboxlive | UTGAVe was something i have used to build from CVS. But i have disabled that now since i am trying the psokolovsky version |
| 14:29.33 | goxboxlive | UTGAVE= SRCDATE |
| 14:31.47 | goxboxlive | This one ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" is just to save some time (about one hour) |
| 14:36.13 | cr2 | i'm in the gcc compilation stage now. |
| 14:36.46 | goxboxlive | i'm in glibc-intermediate compiliation |
| 14:37.01 | goxboxlive | How fast is your computer cr2: Did we start allmost at the same time? |
| 14:38.07 | goxboxlive | I havent rebooted my build pc for 70 days now, and still it seems fast. |
| 14:48.56 | cr2 | glibc-intermediate |
| 14:49.20 | goxboxlive | it takes time |
| 14:49.22 | cr2 | will the current setup use multiple cpus ? |
| 14:49.57 | goxboxlive | i dont know (on host?) |
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| 14:52.47 | cr2 | yes, for compiling. |
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| 15:52.27 | cr2 | pH5: |
| 15:52.31 | cr2 | arch/arm/mach-pxa/generic.c:383: warning: ‘struct platform_pxa_serial_funcs’ declared inside parameter list |
| 15:52.31 | cr2 | arch/arm/mach-pxa/generic.c:383: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what |
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| 16:03.16 | cr2 | pH5: i get kernel compilation warnings |
| 16:04.09 | pH5 | cr2: yes? |
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| 16:17.08 | cr2 | pH5: arch/arm/mach-pxa/generic.c:383: warning: ‘struct platform_pxa_serial_funcs’ declared inside parameter list |
| 16:17.11 | cr2 | and so on. |
| 16:18.00 | pH5 | that is bad. let me see.. |
| 16:20.19 | pH5 | looks like I forgot to include asm/arch/serial.h in generic.c |
| 16:21.53 | pH5 | cr2: fixed. thanks for the hint. |
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| 17:26.24 | goxboxlive | cr2: are you there |
| 17:30.49 | cr2 | yes. |
| 17:44.51 | goxboxlive | could you take a look at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal?action=show and edit if there are anything in the table that seems wrong? |
| 17:45.50 | cr2 | the colours are missing |
| 17:47.46 | cr2 | only GSM-module |
| 17:47.49 | cr2 | ? |
| 17:48.43 | cr2 | the table looks very primitive, when it comes to the phone capabilities. |
| 17:50.05 | cr2 | we don't have full BT support. the audio part is not tested. |
| 17:51.48 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:52.44 | goxboxlive | The colors will not be added. I like the userfriendly one at the status page and will keep it if it is ok. I can add some more phone stuff to it |
| 17:52.57 | goxboxlive | But the status "B" is ok or isent it? |
| 17:53.06 | cr2 | the feature list is very "old pda"-centric |
| 17:54.03 | cr2 | status ? i don't know. |
| 17:54.53 | cr2 | ah, ok. this is not in the status page. |
| 17:54.56 | goxboxlive | Yes i agree, but it is the new one hh.org wants |
| 17:55.05 | cr2 | just some minor generic info about the universal |
| 17:55.24 | cr2 | well, leave it as is. |
| 17:55.44 | goxboxlive | No, just the first page stuff. Psokolovsky wanted a more common one for all the devices, and he asked me if i could do it. |
| 17:56.04 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:56.30 | cr2 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
| 17:56.57 | cr2 | has the important information. |
| 17:58.38 | goxboxlive | :-) yes and it looks good (userfriendly) |
| 17:59.15 | cr2 | it needs to be more detailed. USB host should be split, and some other minor issues. |
| 17:59.30 | cr2 | NOTE: package qte-mt-2.3.10-r8: task do_compile: started |
| 17:59.50 | goxboxlive | My libgsm failed. But i know why, rebuilding it now. |
| 18:00.07 | cr2 | do we need it ? |
| 18:02.11 | goxboxlive | i dont know, but it's just including in to opie. |
| 18:02.12 | goxboxlive | It so strange. When i build libgsm on mu build computer it failes. But when i build it via ssh (same user) it builds |
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| 18:03.22 | cr2 | what exactly has a libgsm dependence in opie ? |
| 18:04.39 | goxboxlive | i dont know, but it builds before obexftp and libopietooth1 |
| 18:06.07 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:08.41 | cr2 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9-r2: task do_compile: started |
| 18:09.00 | cr2 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9-r2: task do_compile: failed |
| 18:09.00 | cr2 | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 18:09.00 | cr2 | NOTE: package sqlite3-3.3.9: failed |
| 18:09.00 | cr2 | ERROR: Build of opie-image failed |
| 18:09.16 | goxboxlive | hmm strange |
| 18:09.59 | cr2 | | ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv5te -mtune=xscale -isystem/cluster/oleg/stuff/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os -DOS_UNIX=1 -DHAVE_USLEEP=1 -DHAVE_FDATASYNC=1 -I. -I/cluster/oleg/stuff/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/sqlite3-3.3.9-r2/sqlite-3.3.9/src -DNDEBUG -DTHREADSAFE=1 -DSQLITE_THREAD_OVERRIDE_LOCK=-1 -DSQLITE_OMIT_LOAD_EXTENS |
| 18:09.59 | cr2 | /tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib -Wl,-O1 -DHAVE_READLINE=1 -o .libs/sqlite3 /cluster/oleg/stuff/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/sqlite3-3.3.9-r2/sqlite-3.3.9/src/shell.c -L/cluster/oleg/stuff/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib ./.libs/libsqlite3.so -lreadline |
| 18:10.19 | cr2 | this command fails to link to -lpthread |
| 18:11.05 | cr2 | do you have the same command ? |
| 18:11.46 | cr2 | libtool is : /bin/sh ./arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libtool --mode=link |
| 18:17.08 | goxboxlive | opie-image finished |
| 18:18.19 | goxboxlive | cr2: maybe a stupid question, but do you have sqlite3 installed on your computer? |
| 18:19.55 | cr2 | it's sqlite3 for opie. |
| 18:20.45 | cr2 | this is a linking error, -lpthread is missing. |
| 18:28.41 | goxboxlive | Well i have it installed (though i have allmost the whole dev packages for debian installed). |
| 18:29.36 | goxboxlive | cr2: I am building it with -DDD now, i can paste the output. |
| 18:30.21 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 18:30.52 | goxboxlive | DEBUG: libsqlite-dev contains dangling link /usr/lib/libsqlite3.so.0.8.6 This is native on my host. |
| 18:31.52 | cr2 | it's an obvious bug. |
| 18:32.12 | cr2 | if you have /usr/lib/ hardcoded. |
| 18:34.32 | goxboxlive | I havent done anything to it. Just installed sqlite3 : Here is my output: http://pastebin.ca/315573 |
| 18:43.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: Psokolosky has fixed the keyboard/TS issue. When dont need to export it in the Opie file. yyeeaaahhh |
| 18:45.32 | goxboxlive | suspend doesnt work though |
| 18:53.28 | Ralith | random question: is the ability of a device to act as USB mass storage dependent on software or hardware? |
| 18:53.54 | Ralith | namely, could linux implement it on a device that doesn't already have it? |
| 18:53.56 | pH5 | Ralith: software. kernel module g_file_storage |
| 18:54.03 | Ralith | cool! |
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| 19:00.34 | goxboxlive | it works, but it is still issues with loadkeys (mising / :; and so on) |
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| 20:22.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: does your libsqlite3 have a dependency on libpthread ? |
| 20:24.13 | cr2 | # The pthreads library if needed |
| 20:24.13 | cr2 | # |
| 20:24.13 | cr2 | LIBPTHREAD=-lpthread |
| 20:24.30 | cr2 | i have manually edited the makefile, so the compilation goes on. |
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| 20:47.56 | cr2 | goxboxlive: it's compiling glib and gtk. why ??? |
| 20:51.11 | rob_w | anyone compiling KDE as is these days ? |
| 20:53.02 | cr2 | rob_w: for pxa ? |
| 20:53.29 | rob_w | for x86 i meant .. offtopic |
| 20:53.31 | cr2 | i have not build kde for many years :) |
| 20:54.01 | rob_w | i need a desparte but obvious feature kde now misses since years |
| 20:54.34 | cr2 | rob_w: u have no clue. |
| 20:55.04 | rob_w | specially what u are talking now ! |
| 20:55.28 | cr2 | goxboxlive: between opie-bluetooth* and obexpush*. it's probably some stray BT dependence. |
| 20:56.09 | cr2 | rob_w: LOL. it was 'i have no clue' :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 20:56.25 | rob_w | oh |
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| 21:00.06 | goxboxlive | cr2: I dont know why it compiles glib and gtk. Could it have something to do with dbus? Opie has gotten dbus now, because of bluetooth update |
| 21:00.43 | goxboxlive | cr2: So you did as i said, you installed sqlite3 on your coputer and now it runs |
| 21:00.48 | goxboxlive | right? |
| 21:02.57 | cr2 | i#ll have a look when it finishes. i think it's a bug, as it was with the tslib. |
| 21:03.36 | goxboxlive | BUt how did you manage to build sqlite3? |
| 21:04.30 | goxboxlive | I have noticed when i have some errors, allmost everytime there has been some *-dev packages i have missed on my host. And when they required once is installed the images builds |
| 21:05.44 | goxboxlive | AFAIR glib and gtk is because of dbus. We had bkuez-utils 2.25 before, but it where updated to 3.4 and that versions require dbus. |
| 21:12.43 | cr2 | i have edited the sqlite Makefile and included -lpthread |
| 21:13.01 | cr2 | [21:22] <cr2> goxboxlive: does your libsqlite3 have a dependency on libpthread ? |
| 21:13.02 | cr2 | [21:24] <cr2> # The pthreads library if needed |
| 21:13.02 | cr2 | [21:24] <cr2> # |
| 21:13.02 | cr2 | [21:24] <cr2> LIBPTHREAD=-lpthread |
| 21:13.26 | cr2 | why does dbus require glib/gtk ? |
| 21:13.59 | cr2 | yes. the build has finished now. |
| 21:14.38 | goxboxlive | cr2: The dep. i dont know,. I havent had the same problem as you. |
| 21:14.52 | goxboxlive | good |
| 21:16.09 | goxboxlive | cr2: Have you subscribed to the htc-pxa mailinglist? |
| 21:16.32 | goxboxlive | ~msg test |
| 21:16.40 | goxboxlive | ~ibot test |
| 21:16.42 | apt | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to test. |
| 21:16.57 | goxboxlive | ~htc universal |
| 21:17.04 | goxboxlive | ~ibot htc universal |
| 21:17.06 | apt | ACTION does... erm... I dunno... some bot stuff or something to htc universal. |
| 21:17.39 | cr2 | it's obexpush, not dbus. |
| 21:17.47 | cr2 | goxboxlive: no. |
| 21:17.49 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 21:18.12 | cr2 | export GLIBINC = "-I${STAGING_INCDIR}/glib-2.0" |
| 21:18.12 | cr2 | export GLIBLIB = "-I${STAGING_LIBDIR} -lglib-2.0" |
| 21:18.13 | cr2 | e |
| 21:18.23 | cr2 | obexpush_1.0.0.bb |
| 21:18.32 | lpotter | goboxlive: do you have a device configuration for opieII? |
| 21:18.47 | rob_w | goxboxlive, what is the deal with your "test" mail on htc-pxa@? |
| 21:18.50 | goxboxlive | lpotter: We have one for the htcphone |
| 21:19.23 | rob_w | lpotter, whats the deal with OpieII ? can you sum some things up for me ? |
| 21:19.25 | goxboxlive | rob_w: So you got it. But what about when the wiki changes, do you get a mail when it changes? |
| 21:19.35 | rob_w | which wiki ? |
| 21:19.49 | goxboxlive | the wiki at hh.org for the htc devices |
| 21:20.05 | rob_w | i never used it to send mail |
| 21:20.15 | rob_w | or notify me or such |
| 21:20.30 | cr2 | goxboxlive: DEPENDS = "glib-2.0 openobex bluez-libs" |
| 21:22.07 | goxboxlive | rob_w : I have setup a fake user at hh.org with the mailingslist email adress. And if anyone changes the wiki pages it will automatic send out a mail notifying that the wiki is changed. But it doesnt seems to work. |
| 21:22.26 | goxboxlive | cr2: ok i c |
| 21:22.28 | cr2 | yeah, i've looked into the source, it's full of g* types. |
| 21:22.46 | rob_w | goxboxlive, allll changes or is that site specific ? |
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| 21:24.10 | goxboxlive | rob_w : Just specific pages, and it's also a choic you have to make if you want to send a mail or not when saving the changes. But i thought it where a good idea, just to keep people updated. |
| 21:24.50 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i can replace all glib types with normal c types, but does opie need obexpush ? |
| 21:24.57 | rob_w | hmm right i saw this on ltg wiki lately |
| 21:25.39 | goxboxlive | lpotter: But i think you should talk to BabelOued about the configuration. He is the one who has made it. |
| 21:26.07 | goxboxlive | cr2: Isent obexpush needed for sending stuff using bluetooth? |
| 21:29.45 | cr2 | maybe. |
| 21:29.55 | cr2 | so you think i should write a patch ? |
| 21:30.40 | cr2 | i thought opie is capable of doing it on its own ? |
| 21:31.14 | goxboxlive | There has been some discussion about it, but they came to the conclussion that the image where only a 100k bigger or so they didnt bother to do anything about it. |
| 21:32.08 | cr2 | i don't know why is gtk there, but it's certainly not 100k we are talking about here. |
| 21:33.03 | cr2 | it's only obextool that is affected. |
| 21:33.06 | cr2 | struct btobex_context_t { |
| 21:33.06 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.06 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.07 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.07 | cr2 | } btobex_context; |
| 21:33.27 | goxboxlive | ok, are you sure about that? Well i dont mind. But why do you waste your time with this.? Other can play with this, but other cant play with the kernel development. |
| 21:34.02 | goxboxlive | cr2: Has tytn the same cpu as qtek s200? |
| 21:34.22 | cr2 | no. |
| 21:34.31 | cr2 | afaik s200 is ompa850 |
| 21:34.39 | cr2 | s/ompa/omap/ |
| 21:34.50 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 21:35.10 | goxboxlive | And there is no avtive development on it, is there? |
| 21:36.44 | cr2 | the cpu is not documented. |
| 21:38.28 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 21:46.00 | cr2 | heheh. it seems iphone has s3c24xx cpu :) |
| 21:46.19 | goxboxlive | how do you know? |
| 21:47.46 | kimuSan^ | cr2: well thats what people are quessing at least. |
| 21:47.48 | cr2 | first, a guy told me about it on xda-dev, and now |
| 21:47.53 | cr2 | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196802785&subSection=All+Stories |
| 21:47.59 | cr2 | it's posted on slashdot |
| 21:48.18 | kimuSan^ | they have been guessing that for month now |
| 21:48.32 | cr2 | so it's openmoko phone+wifi |
| 21:49.24 | Ralith | sounded like that |
| 21:49.48 | kimuSan^ | have you seen the FIC phone? |
| 21:50.00 | kimuSan^ | quite nice openMoco phone |
| 21:50.13 | kimuSan^ | except that it is missing 3g |
| 21:50.31 | cr2 | moko has a good LCD, but an old cpu. |
| 21:50.53 | cr2 | and it misses ati video, like hermes/trinity. |
| 21:51.46 | kimuSan^ | moco as in the gui ? |
| 21:52.16 | Ralith | hm |
| 21:52.22 | Ralith | I'm trying to unlock a universal |
| 21:52.36 | Ralith | but MaUpgradeUt_noID.exe keeps returning an error around 9% |
| 21:53.40 | Ralith | oh, wait, it's supposed to |
| 21:53.46 | Ralith | whew |
| 21:55.35 | cr2 | we need to be able to do a radio relash in linux. |
| 21:56.02 | cr2 | s/relash/reflash/ |
| 21:56.02 | Ralith | yes, I was thinking that |
| 22:06.27 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes we should, but frst of all we need to have a phone gui app. |
| 22:06.28 | goxboxlive | u c |
| 22:06.47 | Ralith | making linux work on the phone is more important than making it work with the phone, I think |
| 22:07.09 | Ralith | once linux is on there, it'll probably be a lot easier to make work |
| 22:07.20 | goxboxlive | i dont want flash my phone if i am not able to use it at least with phone and sms. |
| 22:08.37 | cr2 | goxboxlive: radio rom. it's updated over /dev/ttyS0. |
| 22:08.52 | goxboxlive | Ralith: What are yo talking about? We have linux today, it will not be easier to gather phone info if we run from the device or the sd card |
| 22:09.10 | goxboxlive | cr2: what do you mean |
| 22:09.34 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 22:09.51 | Ralith | goxboxlive, if it's functional to the degree of being useful for that sort of thing, then I think the backend stuff is more important than a gui phone app :P |
| 22:09.54 | goxboxlive | You want us to be able to update the radio even though we run linux |
| 22:10.26 | goxboxlive | Ralith we have the phone working today |
| 22:10.43 | goxboxlive | All we need is a mixer driver and a phoneapp |
| 22:11.04 | goxboxlive | we have gomunicator, but we should hace something for QT to |
| 22:11.37 | Ralith | mixer driver? |
| 22:12.29 | goxboxlive | sound mixer |
| 22:12.49 | Ralith | alsamixer? :P |
| 22:13.20 | goxboxlive | We have sound working also mic |
| 22:13.40 | goxboxlive | but the mic works only in pda mode |
| 22:14.09 | goxboxlive | In phone mode i am only able to hear people talking but they cant hear me |
| 22:16.27 | cr2 | goxboxlive: we can bruteforce the phone mic switch, but it's not a solution. |
| 22:17.04 | goxboxlive | Yes i have heard you mention it before. I agree, we should do it right |
| 22:17.13 | cr2 | is there a gpio notification of a phone call, or the phone app should listen for a AT RING |
| 22:18.27 | goxboxlive | DOnt you think it is a AT RING? |
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| 22:23.53 | cr2 | it is RING, but there maybe a gpio too. but i don't see an obvious candidate. |
| 22:24.12 | goxboxlive | i c |
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| 23:03.49 | BabelOued | cr2: are you here ? |
| 23:08.48 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:09.06 | BabelOued | two question :) |
| 23:10.29 | BabelOued | do you think keycode are the same for all HTC devices ? like this #define PHONE_CALL 65 |
| 23:10.56 | BabelOued | or do i need to have a map file per device ? |
| 23:11.43 | BabelOued | the second is does wince ask GSM modem each time for RF level quality and operator name ? |
| 23:18.15 | cr2 | where is this PHONE_CALL defined ? |
| 23:18.50 | cr2 | i think HTCCSQ=1 is set with ATZ |
| 23:19.10 | cr2 | and then you get "unsolicited" responses. |
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| 23:20.16 | BabelOued | i have defined PHONE_CALL for keycode of red button, value on BA is 65 |
| 23:21.08 | BabelOued | ok i have to look for HTCCSQ values |
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| 23:22.45 | cr2 | BabelOued: i think we can agree on the keycodes. they should be KEY_* from input/linux.h |
| 23:23.25 | cr2 | the red and green phone buttons must be the same on all phones. |
| 23:26.14 | BabelOued | cr2: ok, because i use directly event0,1,2,3 with a qtopia plugin i have made |
| 23:27.30 | BabelOued | and i hard code numeric values for some buttons wired to asic3 and tsc2200 |
| 23:28.23 | cr2 | ok, we can change it later. |
| 23:28.50 | BabelOued | and power button is working with gpio_keys module :) |
| 23:29.46 | cr2 | yes. it's the same everywhere. |
| 23:30.18 | BabelOued | i got working network operator info, rf level and battery level into opieII home screen :) |
| 23:30.54 | cr2 | great :) |
| 23:31.01 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Make some screenshots, i want to se some of it :-) Great work ntw |
| 23:31.06 | goxboxlive | btw |
| 23:32.10 | BabelOued | goxboxlive: ok for screenshot, but using my webcam |
| 23:32.43 | BabelOued | i m not happy with gnokki, because i link directly qpe with gnokii library :( |
| 23:32.43 | goxboxlive | ok, good |
