| 00:14.59 | rakeemflex | Helloooo?! |
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| 00:18.01 | devianTz | Incase anyone has the same problem I had...I couldn't get usb0 recognised on the host machine |
| 00:19.02 | devianTz | Solution was to go into kernel config and device drivers->usb->usb gadgets->and make all ethernet gadget stuff into modules. |
| 00:20.05 | devianTz | Anyways...I'm telnetted in now, any work I can do besides C stuff to move this along? |
| 00:40.54 | devianTz | meh |
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| 01:19.06 | ljp | what is the url for the main htc-linux site? |
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| 07:33.45 | BabelO_ | ljp: for htc-linux website, there is a wiki http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.xda-developers.com%2F&ei=mfMBR83dEZK2wQGn0tkV&usg=AFQjCNExe-CIvXIFOBKlcnQzXJF5gvENWA&sig2=UQWeWzmkUhA91c0ii0PGfA and also some web pages on wiki at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 07:50.23 | ljp | thanks |
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| 07:51.57 | BabelO_ | ljp this is base web page, but not really up to date http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Xanadux |
| 07:56.30 | ljp | how available are the phones that are supported? |
| 08:02.45 | BabelO_ | ljp : universal is is working just a little power managment issue, and need camera driver ;) |
| 08:03.03 | BabelO_ | magician is fully working, just camera driver missing |
| 08:03.19 | BabelO_ | blueangel is working too, camera driver missing |
| 08:03.52 | BabelO_ | and same for apache, but his phone is a CDMA so it need more work |
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| 08:16.00 | ljp | hmm. no cam hey |
| 08:23.16 | BabelO_ | ljp : yes pH5 have tried, but no time actually, he have some problem with dma |
| 08:23.31 | BabelO_ | driver are known for universal and magician |
| 08:24.12 | BabelO_ | for blueangel chipset and driver is known, but capture port is plugged on ati graphic device and we don't know this part of register |
| 08:30.23 | ljp | bugger |
| 08:32.13 | BabelO_ | ljp we have same problem with goxboxlive on ti calypso support for blueangel and magician |
| 08:41.09 | BabelO_ | ljp : i think this evening i try to start a new multiplex plugin from wavacom |
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| 09:23.47 | Ilya_1st | Hello I've troubles while loading linux on my i-mate jasjar via haret |
| 09:23.47 | Ilya_1st | I've installed all on ext3 partition on my SD flash but something wrong with config |
| 09:24.20 | Ilya_1st | ramdrive image boots successfully but witj card something wrong |
| 09:53.18 | cr2_ | ljp: universal and magician have the same CAM chipset, and the linux driver is available and already works on motorola a780. |
| 09:53.58 | cr2_ | it's just some DMA issue and gpio poweron/powerdown pins. |
| 09:54.06 | BabelO_ | hi cr2_ :) |
| 09:54.11 | cr2_ | hi BabelO_ |
| 09:55.29 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: do you have 2 partitions or 1 partition on the SD card ? i can upload the selfbooting kernel. |
| 09:55.52 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: then you don't need haret et al. anymore. |
| 09:56.03 | Ilya_1st | ohh |
| 09:56.06 | Ilya_1st | it boots ) |
| 09:56.14 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, rootdelay was 0 |
| 09:56.21 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : yesturday evening i have small problem with modem, do you have an idea ? qtopia read ttySX line but values still in buffer :( |
| 09:56.48 | cr2_ | ok. but it's already fixed with the selfbooting image. |
| 09:57.11 | Ilya_1st | wtf selfbooting image? |
| 09:57.18 | cr2_ | loosers are those who are forced to use wince :) |
| 09:57.59 | cr2_ | haret linked with zimage+(maybe) ramdisk+default.txt in one wince .exe file |
| 09:58.30 | cr2_ | you can just put it on the wince side, and boot the linux root from any SD partition. |
| 09:58.46 | cr2_ | s/boot/mount / |
| 09:59.24 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, I'm interesting in linux in my device cause after simbian on my nokia 9300 windows mobile makes from powerfull pda stupid slowly calculator |
| 09:59.45 | cr2_ | ok |
| 10:00.17 | cr2_ | universal is the phone with the best linux support anayway. |
| 10:01.29 | cr2_ | BabelO_: and the LCD is great. BA LCD hurts the eye after universal ;) |
| 10:01.34 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, camera on it sucks. i've got this device for ssh and small computer for printing |
| 10:02.03 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: for the camera one should use a DSLR anyway ;-) |
| 10:02.08 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : yes, it is too big, on artemis picture is so nice |
| 10:02.15 | Ilya_1st | but... windows me... I was angry cause of some things in it |
| 10:02.25 | cr2_ | BabelO_: i wish there was a BA with the universal's LCD. |
| 10:03.31 | cr2_ | BabelO_: but the future is a qualcomm cpu as you know. |
| 10:03.51 | cr2_ | i'd like to know if they will really support linux on it. |
| 10:03.57 | BabelO_ | cr2_ AT <7>(42)\n\r\n+CBC: 0,0\r\n\r\nOK\r\n\r\n+CSCS: "HEX"\r\n\r\nOK\r\n |
| 10:04.13 | cr2_ | looking at moto razr V8, it's not impossible :) |
| 10:04.33 | cr2_ | CBC is 0,0 because the battery is on 1w |
| 10:05.16 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : yes but my problem is that qtopia read ttySX with +CBC : 0,0 then send another command but when it read again there is two result :( |
| 10:05.23 | cr2_ | and this time moto has released the full kernel. with USB otg driver, BT and so on. |
| 10:05.24 | BabelO_ | is it a serial settings ? |
| 10:05.56 | BabelO_ | cr2_: USB otg is fully supported now ? cool so we can have a basic usb host |
| 10:06.16 | cr2_ | BabelO_: the command parser should be able to take care of it. |
| 10:06.45 | cr2_ | USB otg is supported on the CPU which moto used on V8. it's not pxa/omap/etc. |
| 10:07.45 | BabelO_ | ok |
| 10:07.51 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, it's camera sux ) |
| 10:08.04 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : there is already a support for omap cpu |
| 10:08.45 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: imho all such cameras suck. |
| 10:09.18 | cr2_ | BabelO_: motorola released the full source, also with support for these arm11-based mx* cpus. |
| 10:09.31 | cr2_ | http://opensource.motorola.com |
| 10:09.51 | cr2_ | i'd only like to know if they used qtopia4 on V8. |
| 10:10.04 | cr2_ | have you seen the gui screenshots ? |
| 10:10.20 | cr2_ | afair the helix is included. |
| 10:10.37 | BabelO_ | i ll look |
| 10:10.45 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, gsm module does not work i see |
| 10:12.45 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: where ? |
| 10:13.53 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : and there is dual screen too ;) |
| 10:14.28 | cr2_ | BabelO_: and 18bit bpp |
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| 10:14.55 | cr2_ | we need to merge the overlay patch from oz/a780 |
| 10:15.05 | cr2_ | in the hh.org tree. |
| 10:15.30 | cr2_ | but it's pxa27x only. |
| 10:16.17 | BabelO_ | cr2_: i m happy when i read this "Linux to Be the Fastest-Growing Smartphone OS over the Next 5 Years" |
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| 10:18.45 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, i-mata jasjar |
| 10:19.07 | Ilya_1st | works... but my wife cannot hear me |
| 10:19.29 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, the same thing as HTC universal |
| 10:21.40 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: strange, it works for goxboxlive. can you send/receive SMS ? the phone sound handling certainly needs some patches anyway. |
| 10:24.28 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, i can hear voice but looks like microphone does not works |
| 10:24.28 | Ilya_1st | OS looks impressive ) |
| 10:24.30 | Ilya_1st | hehe |
| 10:24.38 | Ilya_1st | full posix system on phone |
| 10:29.43 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, I've got latest gpe-x11 images |
| 10:30.02 | Ilya_1st | looks like there not enough applications |
| 10:34.06 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, what images are more functiona? |
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| 10:37.16 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : all gpe-x11 application are available here http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/ in package browser, on gpe-x11 image you can use ipkg update if you conected to internet |
| 10:38.46 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, thanks |
| 10:39.45 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, I'm interesting in it's functionality. (make calls, GPRS, Wi-FI) Can it do that? |
| 10:40.39 | BabelO_ | under x11 yes if you have openmoko dialer installed else use qtopia |
| 10:40.39 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, I'm unix programmer in large online projects, that's why I need normal Unix console + Phone in one |
| 10:41.39 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, in openmoko dialer something wrong with sound. Does it depends on dialer or just sounds drivers? |
| 10:41.52 | Ilya_1st | kernel last fresh installed |
| 10:42.59 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : use alsamix i think to setup sound on the correct channel for phone, cr2_ know more about thart |
| 10:43.44 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, where can I get it? |
| 10:44.30 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : it is already in image i think, console mode alsa something |
| 10:44.37 | BabelO_ | else connect over wifi ;) |
| 10:45.18 | Ilya_1st | ok |
| 10:45.18 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, what to read to setup correct sound? |
| 10:45.21 | Ilya_1st | ) |
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| 11:15.55 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, on sunday i wlll download all i need. now I must work. thanks |
| 11:16.39 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : good luck |
| 11:16.44 | BabelO_ | and good work |
| 11:19.44 | Ilya_1st | you too. sorry for my awful English language. About half year without practice ) |
| 11:23.31 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, last question. what there with localization. I do not need russian interface but russian input, etc... is there possible configure that? |
| 11:24.38 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : not sure about russian :( if you build your own system with OE i think you can have full russian |
| 11:25.09 | BabelO_ | http://www.openembedded.org |
| 11:30.12 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, it's so nesessary recompile whole the system? there are no files to create own keymap without recompiling of the system? |
| 11:31.19 | BabelO_ | don't think :( if you use OE, your can have console in russian too i hope |
| 11:32.07 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, console is enough in english |
| 11:32.16 | Ilya_1st | i'm about x11 settings |
| 11:32.40 | BabelO_ | cr2_: http://www.lesswatts.org/ |
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| 12:59.05 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 13:05.48 | BabelO_ | hi goxboxlive |
| 13:07.25 | goxboxlive | BabelO: do you know if Qtopia isent compatible with gcc-cross-4.2.1? It refuse to start when i am using the latest crosscompiler. I have to use 4.1.2 to make it start. |
| 13:21.41 | goxboxlive | UI : ThemeLayoutItem::paint has been called, a ThemeLayoutItem subclass is missing an implementation of paint? |
| 13:23.29 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : : yes same for me if i use latest compiler from codesourcy, it segfault on start |
| 13:24.26 | goxboxlive | BabelO_ why is that? I have tried open single applications and that works just fine, but qpe failes. |
| 13:26.05 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : exatcly same test i ve done with same issue |
| 13:26.49 | goxboxlive | hmm very strange |
| 13:27.24 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : we have to buy a device on ebay for ljp then he can work on htc devices :) lol |
| 13:28.11 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: i think Trolltech should have bought him one for a long time ago. He was planning to get a universal, but i guess he didnt. |
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| 15:04.45 | cr2_ | BabelO_: it's probably some c++ coding bug. did you find out the reason for an unaligned access by qpe ? |
| 15:06.06 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : not really , i put trace as far as i can, my last trace was at line at+ctzr=1 so it is after :( |
| 15:06.41 | cr2_ | can you run it in gdb ? |
| 15:06.45 | BabelO_ | cr2_: maybe if i look a release log i can see what i m looking for |
| 15:07.38 | BabelO_ | cr2_ : : hum not sure i ve this release build available for now, i ve deleted it |
| 15:08.23 | BabelO_ | i m sure that strace return nothing because it hand at random place in the code |
| 15:08.33 | BabelO_ | so it is in a thread |
| 15:10.14 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 15:12.38 | BabelO_ | i try to trace in lowlevel for at command parser to understand why it hang, i ve tested with atv0 mode, but there is some bad code on initialization which test only OK or Interpreter ready |
| 15:17.41 | BabelO_ | and it same way they call some at command like AT+CBC AT+CSCS? and AT+CTZR before initializing the modem plugin it seem :( |
| 15:19.01 | cr2_ | afair there is on CTZR on ba. |
| 15:19.30 | cr2_ | s/on C/no C/ |
| 15:20.05 | BabelO_ | yes i know that why i look for how can i remove this call, and i found it is before plugin loaded |
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| 15:44.30 | goxboxlive | Universal also get the at+ctzr but it just gives and error and moves on. |
| 15:45.03 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : : yes it is time lost :( |
| 15:45.37 | BabelO_ | and according to http://www.lesswatts.org/ bad for ecology lol |
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| 15:51.57 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: universal does not have +ctzr too |
| 15:52.51 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i know |
| 15:53.16 | cr2_ | BabelO_: do you get ERROR on +ctzr ? wince does not use it, but maybe it's in the firmware. |
| 15:54.13 | BabelO_ | wait, i try, since one week qtopia hang before this line ;) |
| 15:57.49 | cr2_ | use 'cu' |
| 16:00.31 | BabelO | cr2_: does not work |
| 16:00.46 | BabelO | same for ctzu |
| 16:01.17 | BabelO | or maybe because i have no sim card in |
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| 16:11.15 | goxboxlive | cr2_: have you gotten any further with Athena? Or is just collecting dust |
| 16:12.33 | goxboxlive | s/is/is it |
| 16:13.14 | goxboxlive | I am buiolding my second qtopia image today. I am testing helix with iwmmxt and oss instead of alsa |
| 16:13.27 | goxboxlive | s/buiolding/building/ |
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| 16:17.38 | Mineque | hello |
| 16:17.39 | cr2_ | athena is collecting dust. like ba and universal. |
| 16:29.33 | goxboxlive | shame on you cr2_ |
| 16:31.14 | cr2_ | lol |
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| 16:34.35 | goxboxlive | cr2_: what about finish up universal. Ir are you a little tired of it? |
| 16:35.52 | goxboxlive | I remember you said to me: "we _must_ finish Universal" I and i agreed. I said, yes we need to have almost completed ported device. |
| 16:38.57 | cr2_ | no, i'm just busy with the job and everything else ;) |
| 16:39.12 | goxboxlive | ok i c. |
| 16:39.31 | cr2_ | btw, i've looked at the ak4641 diagramm today, so i'll try to extend the alsa mixer settings. |
| 16:40.06 | cr2_ | then you should teach qtopia to use it properly. |
| 16:40.09 | goxboxlive | great |
| 16:40.19 | cr2_ | don't have a good idea about helix. |
| 16:40.37 | goxboxlive | I'll try as far as i can. |
| 16:40.51 | cr2_ | i can write down the full switch settings needed for a "manual" switchup. |
| 16:41.01 | goxboxlive | I guess there is a bug, the Greenphone also miss helix now in 4.3.0 |
| 16:41.30 | cr2_ | it#s not just helix, but the audio control in general. |
| 16:41.45 | goxboxlive | probably there has been a bug since the opensource version. Because the helix source we are building with is from 4.1.2 AFAIR |
| 16:41.49 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:42.30 | cr2_ | there are 4 inputs, 3 outputs (at least, +digital recording+playback) and an endless about of switch combinations. |
| 16:42.49 | cr2_ | s/about/amount/ |
| 16:43.05 | cr2_ | hehe, it was a hard day today. |
| 16:43.10 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 16:43.14 | cr2_ | tomorrow here is a holiday. |
| 16:43.21 | goxboxlive | ohh, up here is not |
| 16:43.38 | cr2_ | i need to buy some food today. |
| 16:43.40 | cr2_ | bbl. |
| 16:43.52 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:44.14 | goxboxlive | ahh my second qtopia image is finished for today :-) |
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| 17:17.58 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, I'm going build fresh Angstrom distribution for myself from scratch. And interesting how to begin. What to read first and where get all for it? |
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| 17:18.47 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, my device is HTC Universal clone |
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| 17:19.44 | goxboxlive | openembedded.org or angstrom wiki |
| 17:20.28 | rakeem | Evening... |
| 17:20.50 | Ilya_1st | looks like I had to develop Russian keymap for device ) |
| 17:21.29 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, I've tested GPE image. Looks very nice |
| 17:23.27 | rakeem | Which do you think is most useable currently? I've been concentrating on Opie1 mostly. Are there any major tradeoffs right now? |
| 17:24.25 | goxboxlive | BabelO: does this help us? |
| 17:24.35 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: AudioState : Handsfree audio gateway: QBluetoothAudioGateway(0x7b8e0) |
| 17:24.35 | goxboxlive | AudioState : Headset audio gateway: QBluetoothAudioGateway(0x7bad0) |
| 17:24.35 | goxboxlive | AudioState : No current audio gateway found |
| 17:24.35 | goxboxlive | AudioState : Handsfree audio gateway: QBluetoothAudioGateway(0x7e048) |
| 17:24.35 | goxboxlive | AudioState : Headset audio gateway: QBluetoothAudioGateway(0x7e2a8) |
| 17:24.36 | goxboxlive | AudioState : No current audio gateway found |
| 17:24.38 | goxboxlive | AudioState : Finding highest priority state for domain: "Media" and capability: 2 |
| 17:24.42 | goxboxlive | AudioState : AudioState found was: QAudioStateInfo( true , "Media" , "MediaSpeaker" , "Stereo Speaker" , 100 ) |
| 17:24.45 | goxboxlive | AudioState : SpeakerAudioState::enter isPhone false |
| 17:24.47 | goxboxlive | AudioState : cmd= "/usr/sbin/alsactl -f /etc/alsa/stereoout.state restore" |
| 17:24.49 | goxboxlive | AudioState : setAudioMode "/etc/alsa/stereoout.state" |
| 17:24.51 | goxboxlive | AudioState : QAudioStateManager::stateChanged |
| 17:24.53 | goxboxlive | AudioState : To State: QAudioStateInfo( true , "Media" , "MediaSpeaker" , "Stereo Speaker" , 100 ) 3 |
| 17:39.11 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : it seem you need to check your hcid.conf to know if headset and handsfree are available |
| 17:39.20 | BabelO_ | then it start some other service |
| 17:40.21 | rakeem | Hey goxbox, I've got a somewhat broad compilation question... |
| 17:45.29 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: hcid.conf ?? Thats bluetooth. |
| 17:45.36 | goxboxlive | I am not using headset |
| 17:45.51 | goxboxlive | Seems like Qtopia think i am using headset |
| 17:46.04 | goxboxlive | rakeem: yes |
| 17:46.07 | goxboxlive | hi btw |
| 17:47.32 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : qtopia test mixer presence, on ba i have input / ouput settings, for output settings i have headset anf handsfree |
| 17:48.05 | goxboxlive | ok, how do you check that? alsamixer? |
| 17:48.18 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive: yes |
| 17:49.26 | rakeem | I've been plugging away at getting stable wifi, various patches and so on. In the process I've noticed that I get slightly different binaries from the same source files depending on how I compile them (in or out of the tree, different versions of compiler, native or cross etc. Is the resulting behaviour likely to be immpacted in it's heavily timing dependent kernel habitat? |
| 17:50.21 | rakeem | ...or am I just resorting to trial-and-error fumbling in the time-honoured geek fashion? |
| 17:52.32 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, there is a problem with Universal. microphone is muted :) |
| 17:52.57 | Ilya_1st | but in GUI looks like nit muted |
| 17:53.11 | Ilya_1st | s/nit/not/ |
| 17:53.17 | goxboxlive | use alsamixer to activate it |
| 17:53.32 | Ilya_1st | I use) |
| 17:54.57 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: Strange thing with phone. When i receive a call it notify it as two missed calls: When i answer i notice it as one missed call and one received :-) |
| 17:55.49 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : do you see number of the caller when you receive a call |
| 17:55.54 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:56.25 | goxboxlive | It's also connected to the contact, so my name appear when i call my self from my A780 |
| 17:57.16 | rakeem | Is anyone brave enough to use this as their only phone yet? |
| 17:57.22 | goxboxlive | no way |
| 17:57.39 | goxboxlive | universal drops the battery after 4-5 hours |
| 17:58.18 | goxboxlive | It's leaking. My other phone (Magician) is more reliable, but i dont have the phone working on it with Qtopia |
| 17:58.21 | rakeem | Why's that? |
| 17:58.41 | goxboxlive | something that doesnt suspend properly |
| 17:58.51 | rakeem | I like the look of the Magician... It's got the correct number of radios and a keyboard. |
| 17:59.01 | goxboxlive | dont know what. please find out and myabe cr2 can fix it |
| 17:59.46 | goxboxlive | rakeem: yes it does and if you buy the Qtek110 version you will have 128MB ram, and not 64 as QtekS100. It only lacks wlan |
| 17:59.56 | rakeem | Yeah, it hadn't occured to me that you can't just suspend "the machine"... |
| 18:00.35 | Ilya_1st | rakeem, I use that as a phone |
| 18:02.22 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, my i-mate JasJar works 12 hours under load(music + GPRS + serfing) |
| 18:02.36 | rakeem | Ah, I thought it had wLan... I'm a bit of a wifi geek... That's why I like the Tornado. BT, Wlan + GSM. Pretty unassuming too. It looks like a slightly ugly last-years K-Mart cheapo but it's stuffed. No keyboard or touch screen means the GUI is unusable right now though... |
| 18:02.55 | goxboxlive | Ilya_1st: yes of course with WM5, but not with Linux running |
| 18:03.34 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, somethig wrong with power saving? |
| 18:04.19 | rakeem | Yeah, the Tornado's stuck with Bill for now too... I just couldn't deal with the Uni as a phone though. Tried many ROMs but it just pissed me off in the end. |
| 18:04.24 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive : maybe you can see in modem at debug mode, maybe on first ring +CRING is identified as a call and +CLIP : XXXXXXXXX is identified as another call know and that you answer it |
| 18:05.33 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: AtChat : N : "+CRING: VOICE" |
| 18:05.33 | goxboxlive | AtChat : N : "+CLIP: "PhoneNumber", 128" |
| 18:06.02 | rakeem | The Smartphone builds have been the most functional as phones I've experienced. I think the dev team have got less to distract them... |
| 18:08.55 | BabelO_ | goxboxlive: ok |
| 18:09.52 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, there is no way to make run device on battery longer |
| 18:09.54 | Ilya_1st | ? |
| 18:10.32 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : you can made some test |
| 18:10.46 | BabelO_ | Ilya_1st : build peripheral as module |
| 18:10.58 | goxboxlive | Ilya_1st: yes there is, we have to stop the leaking of power when it's in suspend mode |
| 18:11.24 | BabelO_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.30 | Ilya_1st | BabelO_, and turn off unused periferal off ? so? |
| 18:11.30 | BabelO_ | or something like that |
| 18:12.09 | rakeem | Oooh.... "/sys/class/power_supply/battery/current".... Didn't know about that... Is there some indicator of time remaining? |
| 18:12.15 | Ilya_1st | ok. it will be another task for saturday for me |
| 18:12.26 | goxboxlive | good |
| 18:12.58 | Ilya_1st | I want normal linux system on my pda |
| 18:13.02 | Ilya_1st | :) |
| 18:13.13 | rakeem | A noble goal. |
| 18:13.20 | Ilya_1st | I'll try to help |
| 18:16.44 | BabelO_ | rakeem : no time indicato, i don't think, just some voltage level, Celcius and current |
| 18:16.46 | rakeem | It's a travesty that it's such an undertaking, although a shining example of the glacial might of open collaboration... It would be interesting to get an idea of the ratio of time spent on the user env vs. hardware headscratching. |
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| 18:17.14 | rakeem | Right, so you have to do the maths yourself. |
| 18:17.55 | BabelO_ | rakeem : it is embedded in apmd daemon and i think provided for charge convenience by new API battery driver |
| 18:18.17 | rakeem | Anybody getting a stable wifi connection? I get about 5 mins before it dies. Horribly. |
| 18:18.45 | BabelO_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.02 | BabelO_ | on my HTC blueangel no problem at full speed , but chipset is a bit old |
| 18:21.00 | rakeem | I've tried that... Also txpower... Keeps screaming data errors and alignment issues, although it does work. TX buffers are getting clogged too... Until something gets really confused |
| 18:22.29 | BabelO | rakeem: you have tried 1M also ? |
| 18:22.43 | rakeem | You tried monitor mode? I dug out a 2.6.16 rootfs from about a year ago. The only time I've got Kismet to work without loads of spurious crap... |
| 18:23.13 | BabelO | rakeem: yes kismet work also for me |
| 18:23.54 | rakeem | I'm sure I did, but I've noticed that the problem gets worse with successive module loads/unloads.... I'll try 1M from cold.... |
| 18:24.34 | rakeem | Downgrade? USB? |
| 18:24.35 | cr2_ | BabelO_: but ba and uni are the same chipset. and the back firmware. |
| 18:25.16 | rakeem | I'd like to be able to use the USB port.... Is that likely do you reckon? |
| 18:26.27 | rakeem | Have you tried monitor mode or are you not bothered? |
| 18:26.28 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: there is no localization for qtopia4 afaik. but the rest (opie/gpe) should have it. |
| 18:26.59 | rakeem | |
| 18:27.28 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, Windows Mobile does not have out of box it too |
| 18:27.34 | Ilya_1st | :> |
| 18:28.21 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, there are BIG problems with russian input. Here in x11 it's easier )) |
| 18:41.55 | rakeem | I've found this whole project fascinating despite the frustrations though. To my non-geek friends it seemed obsessive until I explained that forced every element of the computer is dragged under the microscope. Even when I'm out of my depth it's great to follow when the wiser men have to take the wheel. All good geek projects should be difficult, but the promise of a cool new toy provides the push... |
| 18:45.42 | goxboxlive | BabelO_: are you using qtopia-dbus-launcher? |
| 18:46.01 | goxboxlive | mine failes compiling when i try to single compile it |
| 19:09.36 | BabelO | goxboxlive: where is it ? |
| 19:10.16 | goxboxlive | hold on |
| 19:11.48 | goxboxlive | BabelO: src/tools |
| 19:12.19 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i am trying out cruxus now instead of helix |
| 19:13.04 | BabelO | ok how it look ? some screenshot ? |
| 19:13.27 | goxboxlive | dont know yet, i guess it is the same mediaplyer |
| 19:13.46 | goxboxlive | but i just replace libhelix with libcruxus |
| 19:14.36 | BabelO | goxboxlive: not compiled it seem it gave error message at compile time |
| 19:15.00 | BabelO | for what is it needed ? |
| 19:15.16 | goxboxlive | i dont know, i thought maybe sound needs it. |
| 19:15.42 | goxboxlive | It didnt help with crxus either. I have tried with gstreamer but it doesnt configure. |
| 19:15.59 | BabelO | gstreamer have a lot of dependencies |
| 19:16.07 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:16.15 | BabelO | i need it for some plugin of my IM app |
| 19:16.35 | goxboxlive | so it is not enought with the hstreamer headers |
| 19:16.44 | goxboxlive | g |
| 19:18.31 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i compiled QTopia with iwmmxt helix plugin today, and i didnt get any questions about NO_ATOMIC_OPERATORS but still there is no sound. So i think ther hasent anything to do with helix |
| 19:19.09 | BabelO | goxboxlive: if we build with oss it works |
| 19:19.37 | goxboxlive | BabelO: I did that today, and it doesnt work. Not even "alarm" on the clock. |
| 19:20.41 | ljp | qss/mediaserver is borken in qtopia right now. |
| 19:21.05 | goxboxlive | but ljp has it been broken since 4.2.0 ? |
| 19:21.13 | ljp | no |
| 19:21.56 | goxboxlive | As i said before i havent had sound working, not evene with 4.2.x. |
| 19:22.20 | goxboxlive | and is alarm depending on mediaserver? |
| 19:24.26 | ljp | yes. if you configured with -no-qtopiamedia, you get qss |
| 19:24.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:24.41 | goxboxlive | thx |
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| 19:29.42 | goxboxlive | Ok, then i start my third build today, now with "oss" and "-no-qtopiamedia" . |
| 19:30.17 | goxboxlive | I guess i am one of the most building qtpopia users ever. |
| 19:31.27 | cr2_ | qtpopia :) |
| 19:32.07 | goxboxlive | ok, distros what ever :-) My build machine is glowing like a vulcano soon :-) |
| 19:32.11 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, I like GPE more. gnome like environment |
| 19:33.09 | goxboxlive | Ilya_1st: i dont, it's too slow. I like Opie and Qtopia best. Also Openmoko is too slow, but i guess it will be better when it's done. |
| 19:36.25 | Ilya_1st | goxboxlive, I like to have many different windows. Openmoko looks like WinME )))) |
| 19:36.55 | Ilya_1st | of course for ONLY phone it would be good and comfortable |
| 19:37.20 | goxboxlive | Ilya_1st: opie supports multiple windows |
| 19:39.14 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: (most) qt4 programs can be just recompiled for qtopia4. if you want to waste some resources, try to run qt4 on top of x11 :D |
| 19:40.03 | ljp | hmm 155 mb diff between helix community source and our depot. must be something wrong :) |
| 19:40.07 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: do you compile qtopia4 as-is ? without any qpe-config.h changes ? |
| 19:40.15 | cr2_ | ljp: lol. |
| 19:40.28 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 19:40.38 | goxboxlive | cr2_: yes |
| 19:41.16 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i'd like to have the file selection dialog. |
| 19:41.20 | Mineque | it is possible to set as different view for internal pda lcd and for example for bluetooth lcd? |
| 19:42.25 | BabelO | goxboxlive: and we need same build for ba / magician, i m worry about this phone modem plugin |
| 19:42.37 | Mineque | s/as/a |
| 19:42.47 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i used to have a empty qconfig.h but it seems like i have forgotten it with 4.3 |
| 19:42.59 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: i really despise the gtk file selection box. i hate firefox, when i need to call some external program, or to save a file. it just plain _sux_. |
| 19:43.20 | cr2_ | Mineque: what is BT LCD ?? |
| 19:43.21 | Ilya_1st | hehe |
| 19:43.50 | Ilya_1st | firefox has memory leaks cause of glibc allicator |
| 19:43.58 | Ilya_1st | *allocator |
| 19:44.01 | Ilya_1st | ))) |
| 19:44.10 | Mineque | cr2_: now it doesnt exist but i want in near future to connect some nokia's lcd to bt module and display on it second desktop from pda |
| 19:44.23 | Ilya_1st | our russian programmers found that :) |
| 19:44.33 | Mineque | my little idea of wrist pc implementation |
| 19:44.37 | cr2_ | i have 8GB or RAM, so i don't really care about memory leaks. but the file selection box really drives me crazy. |
| 19:44.54 | Mineque | cr2_: nice pc ;] |
| 19:45.11 | cr2_ | Mineque: /dev/fb0, /dev/fb1, ... ? |
| 19:45.25 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, 1GB of RAM is enough for me now ) |
| 19:45.48 | Mineque | hmm maybe... i'm just asking |
| 19:46.15 | Mineque | a rather think about multiple desktop but that might be better |
| 19:46.27 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: 16 was too expensive, so we bought 8 when there were money to burn :) |
| 19:46.45 | Mineque | cr2_: 8GB in desktop PC? :D |
| 19:46.47 | Ilya_1st | he he |
| 19:46.52 | Mineque | or that's server? |
| 19:47.19 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, our servers have no more than 2GB |
| 19:47.35 | cr2_ | it's a server which i use as a host/home machine. the x11 display is on a notebook. |
| 19:47.41 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, are you using Windows? :> |
| 19:47.49 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: it's dual opteron. |
| 19:48.03 | cr2_ | don't do windowz since 1994 ;) |
| 19:48.18 | Mineque | why not? w2k3 is nice OS |
| 19:48.19 | Mineque | :D |
| 19:49.03 | Mineque | printer deamon reboot system in 60second after logging in |
| 19:49.05 | cr2_ | Mineque: only once you've paid the full retail price for it . |
| 19:49.46 | Mineque | cr2_: i'm joking ;) |
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| 20:46.45 | lamikr | cr2_ Hi, came just to home and seems to have received the htc! |
| 20:59.43 | cr2_ | lamikr: hi. that's good. put in the battery and boot linux :) |
| 21:04.57 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, I could not understand why HTC and other vendors do not interest in working linux OS on their PDA, Even HTC Advantage X7500 run Windows ME |
| 21:05.48 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: if you have such business partner as m$ you get $$$$$$$. |
| 21:06.42 | cr2_ | athena is more like a notebook. but i like it too. |
| 21:07.22 | cr2_ | it also runs linux. but some more work is needed. |
| 21:08.06 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, they make stupid multimedia calculators with this fucked OS instead of making powerful things... heh |
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| 21:09.06 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: don't worry. we are doing our best to change it. |
| 21:09.15 | cr2_ | hi tsdogs |
| 21:09.23 | tsdogs | hi cr2_ |
| 21:09.30 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: do you have a gps recv ? |
| 21:09.42 | tsdogs | cr2_: I've almost fixed the dialog. |
| 21:09.54 | cr2_ | tsdogs: got qtopia4 running on the uni? |
| 21:10.10 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, no. |
| 21:10.11 | cr2_ | dialog ? the memory leak ? |
| 21:10.24 | tsdogs | cr2_: I installed goxboxlive image right now, no success building with OE |
| 21:10.35 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: hm. athena has sirf3 built in. |
| 21:10.58 | cr2_ | tsdogs: ok. do you have the headers ? |
| 21:11.04 | tsdogs | cr2_: there were more bugs there either with code and with implementation |
| 21:11.36 | tsdogs | cr2_: qtopia headers? I have the source code if this is what u mean. |
| 21:11.42 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 21:11.56 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, I do not need GPS for now ;) There are places where you anyway can not charge your gadgets. so.... |
| 21:12.01 | tsdogs | btw there is a zroadmap.bb in IE |
| 21:12.12 | tsdogs | s/IE/OE/ |
| 21:12.32 | cr2_ | btw, roadmap does not compile because the file dialog is missing. but it's for gpx tracks only. |
| 21:12.54 | cr2_ | tsdogs: there is a .bb for the gtk2 roadmap too. |
| 21:13.16 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: but having a map is useful also without gps. |
| 21:13.46 | tsdogs | cr2_: yes, it's only a matter of adapting it for qtopia, though it does not build at least on my distro. |
| 21:13.58 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: i'm pushing an idea that roadmap is a killer app for a linux htc phone : |
| 21:14.50 | cr2_ | tsdogs: some companies. hehe. pay 8.1billion for some map companies ;) |
| 21:15.09 | tsdogs | cr2_: ;) |
| 21:15.31 | cr2_ | tsdogs: we have a chance to do it better :) |
| 21:16.03 | tsdogs | well the real thing here is the map source |
| 21:16.20 | cr2_ | tsdogs: when i look at the OSM development pace in Germany, i think that this company is fcked :) |
| 21:16.55 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: do you have a good vector map of your area ? |
| 21:18.03 | cr2_ | tsdogs: one more skin & routing example - http://boston.freemap.in/routing.html |
| 21:18.41 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, no |
| 21:19.09 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, in russia till some time cards were secret informations %) |
| 21:19.26 | Ilya_1st | s/infomations/information/ |
| 21:20.06 | Ilya_1st | hmmm... looks like I make mistakes cause of I need to sleep a little |
| 21:20.07 | Ilya_1st | ))) |
| 21:20.14 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: you can use these on linux - http://www.gpsmap.ru/unlock |
| 21:21.21 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, there are not normal cards for my region ;) |
| 21:21.24 | cr2_ | these are not so good, but have better coverage http://freemaps.ru |
| 21:21.27 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 21:21.53 | Ilya_1st | s/cards/maps/ |
| 21:22.10 | tsdogs | cr2_: :) let's hope it's going to cover the whole world |
| 21:23.04 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i think so, but the most activity is in the UK and Germany. |
| 21:23.35 | tsdogs | cr2_: yep |
| 21:23.55 | cr2_ | i still didn't draw my tracks in nothern Italy and Switzerland. but i've already uploaded them. |
| 21:25.56 | tsdogs | cr2_: it takes time ... (I also should get some sirf3 gps receiver and start creating them...) |
| 21:26.16 | cr2_ | lamikr: btw, have a look at Heinävesi in OSM :) |
| 21:26.46 | cr2_ | tsdogs: should not necessary be sirf3. but they are cheap these days. |
| 21:27.18 | cr2_ | you know i dislike sift3. on pure technical merits. |
| 21:27.37 | cr2_ | and it's not easy to fix its firmware ;) |
| 21:27.53 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok. which one is better? |
| 21:29.12 | cr2_ | i'm interested to buy an antaris-based device. |
| 21:29.45 | cr2_ | Wintec WBT-xxx |
| 21:30.19 | cr2_ | http://precision-gps.org code supports it. |
| 21:49.57 | cr2_ | tsdogs: the roadmap ML is broken. |
| 21:50.18 | tsdogs | cr2_: ho, didn't know. |
| 21:50.26 | tsdogs | cr2_: is there a replacement? |
| 21:51.57 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, how do you run gprs on device? |
| 21:52.42 | Ilya_1st | works |
| 21:53.58 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: ask goxboxlive, i don't have UMTS contract. he said it was easy to setup, pppd uses /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 21:54.51 | cr2_ | tsdogs: I've got an e-mail from Paul, he sent something to the list, but it never came. |
| 21:55.18 | tsdogs | I saw it was still for some time... :( |
| 21:55.39 | Ilya_1st | cr2_, i'm about linux running on phone ) |
| 21:55.57 | cr2_ | Ilya_1st: ok. |
| 21:56.40 | tsdogs | cr2_: you received my e-mail? |
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| 22:02.58 | cr2_ | tsdogs: no. |
| 22:03.23 | tsdogs | cr2_: I just saw I sent the e-mail directly to Paul :) |
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| 22:05.56 | tsdogs | cr2_: I think I have fixed most of the qt_dialog bugs. |
| 22:06.37 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 22:06.47 | cr2_ | can you add it to the xanadux CVS ? |
| 22:06.55 | tsdogs | yep. |
| 22:07.00 | tsdogs | already done. |
| 22:07.10 | cr2_ | i'm hacking my own code, but didn't touch qt4/ dir. |
| 22:07.44 | tsdogs | cr2_: I also touched the qt/ dir but don't think this is a problem |
| 22:07.55 | tsdogs | cr2_: are u hacking on the map part right? |
| 22:09.14 | cr2_ | yes, the index.rdm |
| 22:09.29 | tsdogs | ok |
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| 23:27.51 | tsdogs | good night |