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| 10:28.05 | tsdogs | cr2: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/screenshots/qtopia_roadmap3.png http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/screenshots/qtopia_roadmap.mpg |
| 10:28.20 | tsdogs | pressing the "f" makes roadmap go fullscreen :) |
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| 10:35.50 | cr2 | tsdogs: cool :) |
| 10:36.31 | tsdogs | cr2: now I'm trying to understand how to remove the window and integrate it in qtopia, though I think I also need the qtopia execs |
| 10:37.08 | cr2 | ok. the program looks better and better now :) |
| 10:37.57 | tsdogs | :) actually did not do much (only few fixes for missing things in Qtopia-Core) and builded |
| 10:38.16 | cr2 | i need to fix the polygon island rendering bug |
| 10:38.41 | tsdogs | ok. |
| 10:39.16 | tsdogs | I think we should implement some skin plugin or something... |
| 10:40.16 | cr2 | skin plugin ? |
| 10:40.52 | tsdogs | yes to draw widgets on the canvas ... |
| 10:41.50 | cr2 | ok. |
| 10:42.20 | cr2 | with qt4 on wince the crossplatform portability is not a big issue anymore |
| 10:42.59 | cr2 | we only need to compile it with cegcc |
| 10:43.13 | tsdogs | yep, it's expected for next year though :) |
| 10:44.42 | cr2 | i prefer a solid qt4 version over half-assed crippled "portable" version |
| 10:44.46 | cr2 | that's for sure. |
| 10:44.47 | cr2 | bbl. |
| 10:47.40 | tsdogs | ok. |
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| 11:28.40 | goxboxlive | hi cr2, are you here? |
| 11:32.33 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: hi, he'll be back later |
| 11:32.57 | goxboxlive | hi tsdogs |
| 11:33.20 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/screenshots/qtopia_roadmap3.png |
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| 11:34.46 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: wow fuullscreenmode too. Great job |
| 11:34.56 | tsdogs | :) |
| 11:35.24 | tsdogs | though this is with QVFB, I still need to build qtopia for UNI |
| 11:36.00 | goxboxlive | i'm watching the video now |
| 11:36.56 | tsdogs | :) |
| 11:37.07 | goxboxlive | tsdogs did you receive a greenphone from Trolltech? |
| 11:37.45 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: nope. I think I was not online when they got shipped :( |
| 11:38.53 | goxboxlive | ok, but you where in the content right? |
| 11:39.18 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: I was but never submitted anything 'cause of the license requiremens |
| 11:39.34 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 11:40.06 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: that's ok, I just want qtopia on UNI :) |
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| 11:40.51 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: why is OE building qemu for openmoko-image ? |
| 11:41.16 | tsdogs | "QEMU is known to have problems when compiled with gcc 4.x" |
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| 11:47.23 | tsdogs | ok gg bbl |
| 12:00.04 | goxboxlive | i have no idea tsdogs |
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| 12:11.32 | zefanja | do someone know how I could register to my network in Qtopia? |
| 12:11.48 | zefanja | and how can i restart the gsm? |
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| 12:42.10 | goxboxlive | restart qtopia. It's evil, it hangs sometime. Use the provided shutdown menu if you are using one of my images. |
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| 15:16.13 | espskog | Hi |
| 15:17.11 | espskog | Has anyone else seen that when booting "ramdisk" (ramdisk-cab), after a while the whole universal hangs and reboots ? |
| 15:17.29 | espskog | It's like ok for 1-2 minutes..then the screen eats up itlse and the pda reboots. |
| 15:21.27 | cr2 | espskog: how old is the ramdisk ? |
| 15:24.11 | espskog | i dunno.. where can I download the latest version ? |
| 15:24.33 | espskog | i also suspected it to be old, but did not find anywhere where the newest version was. |
| 15:24.49 | espskog | and I also wonder if I should use gpephone or plain gpe image. |
| 15:25.11 | espskog | hmm...pulled out the power-usb cord now....didn't reboot yet though... humm...strange. |
| 15:25.25 | espskog | seems like it could be that my usb charger is f***ing up things. |
| 15:27.35 | espskog | Also, how can I completely remove WM6 ..i want linux only, no MS stuff on it. and I want it to boot straight into linux. |
| 15:27.38 | espskog | Any tips ? |
| 15:27.39 | goxboxlive | hei espskog : It might sound like you have a bad bettery or something. it's not related to the ramdisk image, i have had the same problem my self when using linux on my universal |
| 15:27.57 | goxboxlive | espskog: That's not an issue now, whe miss the bootloader |
| 15:28.39 | espskog | goboxlive: yes I think so too. It's almost 2 y old now so ięll send it to service :) after i took out that usb-sync-charger it all works nocely again. |
| 15:29.22 | espskog | Also: Why is the keyb so slow ? i must type as slow as an old fart in order to get all my FN keys to follow my strokes. |
| 15:30.15 | goxboxlive | espskog: I guess that's after suspend right? There is a bug in the keyboard source |
| 15:30.19 | espskog | goboxlive: DAMN...it rebooted again...still without the cable inserted. :-\ |
| 15:30.35 | goxboxlive | It happends after suspend/resume. Otherwise it works ok before suspend. |
| 15:30.39 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 15:31.28 | espskog | hmm..no, it happened just after 3-4 minutes |
| 15:31.48 | espskog | no suspend ...maaaaan... i think thie uglyness of MS has infected the HW too ;) |
| 15:32.03 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 15:32.16 | espskog | M$ starts as a SW problem, then it slowly eats up your HW until the HW is as bad as the SW :)))) |
| 15:32.17 | goxboxlive | i was thinking about the keyboard |
| 15:32.34 | espskog | oh, the kbd...no it's slow always :) |
| 15:32.45 | espskog | can I tweak the frq of the polling ? |
| 15:32.53 | goxboxlive | cr2: what's the update of the sounddriver? |
| 15:33.18 | goxboxlive | espskog: ok, i havnet noticed that,mybe i am to slow with the keys :-) |
| 15:33.38 | espskog | goboxlive: Also, after the ramdisk crashed and WM6 comes up, touchscreen+kbd is not working. Have to resert via stylus. Is this normal ? |
| 15:38.01 | espskog | Do you guys use OPIE or GPE or GPEPhone ? |
| 15:38.52 | goxboxlive | espskog: no that's not normal. I am using most for now Qtopia/Opie2 and also Openmoko. |
| 15:39.09 | goxboxlive | Opie hasent phone support and gpe is too slow |
| 15:39.16 | goxboxlive | gpe/x11 |
| 15:39.16 | espskog | gobox: do they support gprs/umts or gsm/sms ? |
| 15:39.32 | goxboxlive | espskog: yes, but you have to set it up manually |
| 15:39.42 | espskog | gobox: what do you recommend i'd use ? |
| 15:40.13 | espskog | gobox: manually is ok :) |
| 15:40.34 | cr2 | espskog: the ramdisk was not updated for a very long time, because nobody needed it really hard. |
| 15:40.54 | cr2 | if you can create a new one, that will be very nice :) |
| 15:41.26 | espskog | I wonder if my ramdisk.cab was old. It doesn't work too well as the crashes are too frequent. Though, it's stable if I do not touch the keys :))))) |
| 15:41.30 | espskog | It's almost like windows... |
| 15:41.32 | cr2 | the keys on the universal are so small, that i don't type fast anyway. so i didn't really see it being slow. |
| 15:41.52 | cr2 | is it a real .cab ? |
| 15:42.11 | cr2 | i wish we have get rid of all that legacy junk ;-) |
| 15:42.18 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes i made the ramdisk image as a cab file. |
| 15:42.37 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i know, but it was a year ago ? |
| 15:42.42 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have also made initramfs images for you, so why dont u use them? |
| 15:42.50 | cr2 | and the ramdisk is non-eabi ? |
| 15:42.56 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 15:43.06 | goxboxlive | it. from the xanadux source. |
| 15:43.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: well, a lot of other things to do. |
| 15:43.20 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 15:43.37 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i've patched the sound to remove the warning. |
| 15:43.45 | goxboxlive | ok, i c |
| 15:43.58 | cr2 | but it's not a real patch you wanted to see. |
| 15:44.12 | goxboxlive | what about the hardcoding of the led driver. Can we change that? It will make my Qtopia building a little easier |
| 15:44.24 | goxboxlive | at least just for the HTC devices if it's also ok for pH5 |
| 15:44.30 | cr2 | btw, it will be very complex to switch the phone on, if i'll patch the driver properly :) |
| 15:44.42 | goxboxlive | ohhh |
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| 15:45.04 | cr2 | "hardcoding of the led driver" ? |
| 15:45.37 | cr2 | yes, that's the only thing that really prevents me from patching it. |
| 15:45.40 | espskog | gobox: which image do you recommend. What works best ? |
| 15:45.55 | goxboxlive | qtopia |
| 15:45.56 | cr2 | because you need a lot of usespace logic to support it. |
| 15:46.43 | goxboxlive | espskog: actually x11 and opie(1) works best, but openmoko and qtopia/Opie(2) is more fun :-) They both have working phones |
| 15:46.51 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:47.43 | espskog | thankx..i'll try it now :) |
| 15:48.04 | cr2 | goxboxlive: but since qtopia actually has such logic, even if in a very bare form, this is the way to go. |
| 15:48.14 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:48.31 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i'd like that you stop distributing zimages :) |
| 15:48.35 | espskog | You mean this, right: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/images/O.P.I.E-II/O.P.I.E.II-4.3.0.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:48.44 | cr2 | and destroy all archived ones. |
| 15:50.28 | goxboxlive | espskog: yes |
| 15:51.03 | espskog | gobox: there are way to many different images out there.. it's really confuzing. |
| 15:51.10 | goxboxlive | cr2: i havent got that far yet, but I will one day :-) But it would have been better if you solved the bootloader stuff so we relay could take advantage of it :-) |
| 15:51.36 | espskog | gobox: my uni has bootloader 1.00 --- will this have anything to say ? |
| 15:52.13 | goxboxlive | cr2: no |
| 15:52.42 | goxboxlive | sorry espskog no |
| 15:54.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: you only need the haret source and cegcc |
| 15:55.01 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have it and it works on my build machine, but you know, it's so boring :-) |
| 15:55.34 | espskog | IS the WM6 completely "out of the picture" after I boot linux from the "launcher" in WM6 ? I mean, does it matter whether I had phone+bt+wlan enabled before i boot linux or does Linux control all on its own as soon as it boots ? |
| 15:55.34 | cr2 | for you, but not for the others :) |
| 15:56.11 | cr2 | espskog: it should not matter. if it is then it's a bug. |
| 15:56.20 | espskog | Thanx ;) |
| 15:56.50 | espskog | Someone told me I had to be sure that I had enabled GSM and entered my PIN "before" i started linux for the phone to work in linux. Is this true ? |
| 15:57.14 | goxboxlive | cr2: that's right. But we need to have the drivers more complete. Users like cams and suc, i think we should finish the cam driver also. We have a cam application now so it would be a little fun to have it. |
| 15:58.33 | cr2 | goxboxlive: afair, i've traced the power gpios. so it depends only on the pxa-cif driver |
| 15:58.48 | cr2 | pxa-camera or how it is called. |
| 15:59.13 | cr2 | so it's not really universal's fault. |
| 15:59.21 | goxboxlive | cr2: SO you are saying you could have it ready in a an hour or some? |
| 16:00.48 | espskog | Can I copy a ramdisk.cab file from you guys ? Mine just keeps rebooting and it's driving me craaaaaaazy :) |
| 16:01.31 | goxboxlive | espskog: Arent you using the one i have made? |
| 16:01.50 | espskog | gobox: not sure where I downloaded it from. Can I get a link to one which you know works ? |
| 16:02.13 | cr2 | espskog: why do you need the ramdisk ? |
| 16:02.30 | espskog | gobox. tried to take out the batt and use psu from usb_sync cable ... did not work at all. I must probably go get my normal power-charger. |
| 16:02.30 | cr2 | goxboxlive: if there was a clean and working pxa-camera driver. |
| 16:02.34 | goxboxlive | AFAIK, there only exist one, and that is the one i have made so i guess we are talking about the same. Take it from linuxtogo |
| 16:03.03 | espskog | gobox: i need the ramdisk in order to extract my files to the card :) I have no mmc reader on my linux server so I use my MMC reader inside the printer which is connected to the windows PC .... |
| 16:03.11 | goxboxlive | espskog: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalHowtoInstallLinux |
| 16:03.33 | espskog | yep thatęs the one I used, i remember now. |
| 16:04.53 | goxboxlive | espskog: i have never heard that it should be unstable. Thats strange |
| 16:06.09 | espskog | gobox. i tnink it's not ramdisk.cab ..but my unit :) I will extract my files without using ramdisk and see if the opie is working or if it suffers the same problem. If that is the case, i will send my unit to service. Strange thing is that is't not crashing like this in WM6. |
| 16:06.23 | espskog | gobox: maybe it's my 512MB SDIO card which is causing it ? |
| 16:08.30 | goxboxlive | espskog: SDIO card might be. I dont know. I am using WM6 my self, an i dont have that problem. WINCE shouldnt affect linux anyway. It's shut s down when we boot linux |
| 16:09.58 | espskog | I think it was stable when I used 32MB MMC card...but..hm...32MB....too small to even unpack the OS :-) |
| 16:10.09 | espskog | gobox: what kind of card do you use ? |
| 16:10.41 | goxboxlive | yes, buy you self a new card, you get a fast and great sd card at komplet.no for less than 250,-NOK |
| 16:11.56 | espskog | gobox: is there a limit ? I read somewhere that I had to use mmc and no sd ..this might not be true, or ? |
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| 16:15.48 | cr2 | espskog: it does not matter. |
| 16:16.04 | cr2 | you may even have problems with mmc-v4 afair. |
| 16:16.25 | cr2 | don't know about the >=4G SDHC cards. |
| 16:16.54 | cr2 | goxboxlive: did you compile the latest kernel ? |
| 16:17.07 | cr2 | i don't even know if it works :) |
| 16:17.19 | goxboxlive | espskog: i have never used mmc card. I am only using SD so i dont have any idea. If you live in Oslo you can just driv eup to Netshop.no and buy this one. Thats the one i am using, it's fast http://www.netshoposlo.no/aspx/produkt/prdinfovnet.aspx?plid=8718 |
| 16:17.45 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes i am just to start it. Have just inetalled the latest snapshot of Qtopia. |
| 16:18.20 | espskog | gobox: i think my card is allright.. i live in trondheim though. My best guess is that my xda is a little f*ed up :) |
| 16:19.00 | espskog | Anyone: Anyone here who have tried to run E-UAE under linux on universal ? |
| 16:20.43 | espskog | Man, it takes like forever to bunzip2 that new OPIE file on the universal.... |
| 16:21.24 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 16:21.39 | goxboxlive | cr2: anything i should test with the updated soundriver? |
| 16:22.19 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i can wrap your zimage into linboot-uni.exe on a regular basis, but it's silly :) |
| 16:22.36 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the wired headphone. |
| 16:23.10 | espskog | crap! It crashed ..again! |
| 16:24.02 | cr2 | espskog: do you shutdown wifi/bt/phone before booting ? |
| 16:24.08 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:24.13 | espskog | gobox: is it possible to install linux directly on the xda rom area instead of booting off that SD card ? |
| 16:24.19 | espskog | cr2: no, should I do that ? |
| 16:24.22 | cr2 | espskog: no. |
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| 16:24.25 | goxboxlive | cr2: i added qconfig.h and i have the mousecurser again :-) |
| 16:24.34 | espskog | cr2: should I enable them all before booting ? |
| 16:24.39 | cr2 | goxboxlive: :) |
| 16:24.47 | cr2 | espskog: better disable them. |
| 16:24.59 | espskog | cr2: ok :) |
| 16:25.08 | cr2 | we just need to audit the source for gpio setup. |
| 16:25.14 | espskog | cr2: GSM Radio has crashed" just popped up in WM6 hahahahhaha |
| 16:25.21 | cr2 | LOL |
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| 16:25.50 | espskog | double-crap ... now it rebooted again...this time while in WM6 :-) |
| 16:26.01 | espskog | I think my unit is very ready for the service centre ;) |
| 16:26.26 | cr2 | hehe. it seems so. |
| 16:27.12 | cr2 | there are certainly some kernel bugs, but i didn't see any such dramatic side effects ;) |
| 16:28.49 | espskog | cr2: wow. I tried to mount my ext3 while in ramdisk and it hun and then said "USB Disconnect" and then it died on itself :) |
| 16:29.46 | espskog | Is itpossible to get the SD to autoboot after reset before WM6 starts ? |
| 16:32.35 | cr2 | i doubt it. |
| 16:34.22 | espskog | <grin> ...i'd appreciate getting rid of WM on the device :) |
| 16:35.11 | cr2 | espskog: do you have g3 of g4 mdoc ? |
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| 16:36.08 | espskog | cr2: i am not sure.. how do I tell ? |
| 16:36.46 | espskog | gobox: it happened with my other old 64 MB SD card too...the crash I mean. |
| 16:36.55 | espskog | gobox: i bet my unit is loco |
| 16:41.56 | cr2 | espskog: the bootloader version ? |
| 16:42.15 | cr2 | or 'pd 0x0 0x200' in haret |
| 16:47.09 | espskog | cr2: bootloader is 1.00 |
| 16:48.45 | espskog | this problem with ramdisk crashing is freaking me out.. |
| 16:49.07 | espskog | i am desperately trying to extract the opie image to /mnt/ext3 before it crashes :-) |
| 16:49.16 | espskog | wanna see if it crashes when booting opie directly |
| 16:49.16 | cr2 | i guess you have g3 |
| 16:49.33 | cr2 | use a cardreader |
| 16:49.58 | cr2 | there is a raw disk writer for wince, but it's too tricky. |
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| 16:51.21 | espskog | my only cardreader is the one in the printer, and it's connected to my windows pc... |
| 16:51.35 | espskog | other wise i would have done all this in linux directly to the card... |
| 16:52.54 | cr2 | ext2fs driver for windows ? |
| 16:53.10 | cr2 | i've seen a detailed explanation on xda-dev recently |
| 16:54.14 | cr2 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333116 |
| 16:54.22 | cr2 | for the ext2 part. |
| 16:54.48 | espskog | cr2: i connected that damn printer to my linux server instead....now it's mounted and I am depacking the bz2 file :-) |
| 16:55.04 | espskog | isn't it strange how easy things are when one avoids windows ? |
| 16:56.51 | espskog | can I connect usb peripherals to the universal after opie is booted or should I use VNC instead to remote control it ? |
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| 17:01.30 | goxboxlive | well i am going out for some beer. :-) bbt |
| 17:02.09 | cr2 | universal does not use usb host. |
| 17:02.22 | cr2 | or at least we don't really know if it can. |
| 17:02.44 | goxboxlive | cr2: this is a audio bug. Its when i receive a incommin call: http://pastebin.no/2659 |
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| 17:10.29 | roufa|zzz | anyone here doing linux on the apache? |
| 17:11.03 | cr2 | roufa: the phone is not supported. because it's a cdma with some weird binary blobs. |
| 17:11.18 | cr2 | the pda part should be working. |
| 17:11.32 | roufa | ah |
| 17:11.46 | roufa | forgive my ignorance, but what does cdma have to do w/ anything? |
| 17:12.58 | cr2 | all supported phones use gsm. |
| 17:14.39 | Ilya_1st | hmmm |
| 17:15.07 | Ilya_1st | cr2, UMTS in my universal is not supported? ) |
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| 17:20.25 | cr2 | Ilya_1st: goxboxlive says UMTS is supported. but the command set is very gsm-like. although it's WCDMA |
| 17:49.06 | espskog | cr2 / gobox: it was the same error when trying to boot opie directly. UNit crashed and rebooted. So the ramdisk.cab is not the problem, that's for sure. |
| 17:50.43 | espskog | cr2: is opie gui supposed to autostart ? when my unit booted /before it crashed/ all I got was a prompt. |
| 17:51.16 | espskog | It stopped at /bin/sh canot access tty: job control turned off |
| 17:51.22 | cr2 | espskog: i don't remember. |
| 17:51.28 | cr2 | start it by hand. |
| 17:53.01 | espskog | something is rwong.. a df -h shows no mounts... |
| 17:53.09 | espskog | hmm.. |
| 17:59.21 | espskog | found the error :) |
| 17:59.28 | espskog | dont ask :) |
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| 18:47.49 | pdaman2604 | hi everyone:) |
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| 19:37.48 | espskog | HI |
| 19:37.58 | espskog | CR2: Are you still logged in ? |
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| 19:59.24 | cr2 | espskog: yes. |
| 20:02.33 | espskog | cr2: I think I made som progress |
| 20:02.48 | espskog | cr2: And you will never ever guess what the problem was!! |
| 20:02.49 | espskog | :-) |
| 20:08.39 | espskog | It was that new WM6 ROM i just installed today. It fucked up my linux. Do not ask how, bt it did. The reason I found out was that after using WM6 a little today, it too started to reboot.. so I figured it was worth a shot to try to put in some standard WM5 and it worked PERFECTLY after that. |
| 20:08.59 | espskog | cr2: so this is the WM6 which made trouble for me: WM6PROBUSSINESSVC_V3 |
| 20:09.16 | espskog | cr2: do not install it unless you are prepared to troubleshoot a little if using linux!!! |
| 20:09.17 | espskog | :-) |
| 20:16.32 | cr2 | i'm not interested in any wince versions. |
| 20:16.49 | cr2 | there must be an initialization bug somewhere. |
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| 20:25.56 | cr2 | hi pH5 |
| 20:27.25 | pH5 | hi cr2 |
| 20:28.20 | espskog | cr2: Could be, but still. That WM6 version screwed things up. For me it does not matter if I use WM5 or WM6 really...it's just a launcher for Linux s as long as it boots up fast, I'd be happy if it was Win3.11 for that sake :-))) |
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| 21:33.58 | Ilya_1st | cr2, I'm going to get 3000mA battery for my Universal 8-) |
| 21:35.54 | Ilya_1st | cr2, so short time of work in linux would not be a problem. tomorrow I'm going build my distribution for testing on linux powersaving and for localization |
| 21:37.03 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:50.09 | Ilya_1st | cr2, I have an idea of russian support of linux solution on HTC %) |
| 21:50.50 | Ilya_1st | many IT people here wants linux based PDA for their work.... so... |
| 21:53.24 | cr2 | well, they should join the effort, and not sit still while waiting that somebody will write the locale support ;) |
| 21:55.08 | Ilya_1st | cr2, hehe. I just need russian keyboard support. this is half an hour to make xmodmap configuration |
| 21:55.34 | cr2 | the console should have an utf8 support. |
| 21:55.57 | Ilya_1st | cr2, russian words are longer then english. takes more memory to store... so.. ;) |
| 21:56.04 | cr2 | what is so special in the russian keyboard support ? |
| 21:56.07 | Ilya_1st | I prefer use english interfaces |
| 21:56.44 | cr2 | lol, you are not going to translate the command names ? |
| 21:57.13 | Ilya_1st | I'm about pda keyboard. russian keys are located there not as on standard qwerty keyoards |
| 21:58.07 | Ilya_1st | cr2, translate command name, messages can non programmer ;) |
| 21:58.43 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:59.56 | cr2 | isn't there the xkb extention for keyboard layouts in x11 ? |
| 22:00.29 | Ilya_1st | they are fow standard 102 keys :) |
| 22:01.05 | cr2 | hm. ok. that's a good argument. |
| 22:01.27 | Ilya_1st | of course it's possible make own layout for xkb |
| 22:01.32 | cr2 | but there are many weird notebook keyboards with national layouts. |
| 22:01.42 | Ilya_1st | yes |
| 22:02.04 | cr2 | i guess you'd better create an xkb layout. |
| 22:02.11 | Ilya_1st | ok ) |
| 22:02.14 | cr2 | xmodmap is like using x11r3 :) |
| 22:03.22 | Ilya_1st | now I'm going to sleep. here is 2:03 AM |
| 22:03.26 | Ilya_1st | :) |
| 22:03.32 | cr2 | good night |
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