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| 05:23.53 | goxboxlive | good morning |
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| 06:39.30 | paulproteus | Howdy. |
| 06:45.35 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: i tested roadmap on my neo today on the way to work, it works OK though. |
| 06:46.08 | paulproteus | "though"? |
| 06:46.52 | goxboxlive | Yes m,y expectations wasent that high |
| 06:46.59 | goxboxlive | It had some delays |
| 06:47.27 | goxboxlive | it was the mainline version i tested, going to test the xanadux version on my way back |
| 06:47.40 | goxboxlive | /apt noods |
| 06:48.14 | paulproteus | apt nod |
| 06:48.15 | apt | ACTION nods |
| 06:48.18 | paulproteus | Hee! |
| 06:48.23 | paulproteus | apt giggle |
| 06:48.24 | apt | teeheehee! |
| 06:48.27 | paulproteus | Hee! |
| 06:48.47 | goxboxlive | :-) |
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| 07:43.46 | lolcake | Hey guys, I am wondering if it is possible to write a ROM image of Xanadux to the Himalaya without the use of an SD card directly to the ROM of the device? (The SD Reader is broken) |
| 07:44.05 | lolcake | Maybe via the bootloader? |
| 07:50.52 | lolcake | So the question really is, can you write to the flash memory without using an SD card? |
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| 10:30.46 | kiozen | morning BabelO |
| 10:42.15 | BabelO | hi kiozen:) |
| 10:42.25 | BabelO | kiozen: i ve a big question for you ;) |
| 10:42.54 | BabelO | kiozen: what is the difference for you between a button called Skip and a button called abort ? |
| 10:43.14 | BabelO | kiozen: i m looking for a good french translation on my application |
| 10:43.50 | kiozen | BabelO: skip will skip the next action and proceed, abort will stop imediately any further action |
| 10:44.00 | BabelO | kiozen: it is a big question between me ( my devel point of vbiew and people who are looking for translation ) |
| 10:45.21 | BabelO | kiozen: ok so we are agree, now i need to explain it ... lol because my skip button give a weight to user action rather than automatic action |
| 10:45.24 | BabelO | thanks i ll look |
| 10:46.12 | kiozen | BabelO: ever tried to explain things with a gun? I have heard that this should work out pretty well :)) |
| 10:54.26 | BabelO | kiozen: they have not the choice :) i m the main developper / project manager of this part |
| 10:55.51 | kiozen | lol |
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| 11:00.08 | BabelO | kiozen: but i m not able to give use a nice french or german translation for skip button ;) |
| 11:01.35 | kiozen | skip = überspringen, abort = abbrechen (yes we always use too much letters to express ourselves) |
| 11:02.37 | BabelO | kiozen: yes i know about amount of letter per word ;), my button are not big enough |
| 11:03.27 | Foxdie | morning :) |
| 11:03.30 | kiozen | BabelO: use icons :) |
| 11:04.01 | kiozen | cr2: that navit code for garmin maps looks interesting (except it's plain c) |
| 11:04.19 | kiozen | cr2: they have done quite some stuff on the NOD/NET section |
| 11:04.45 | kiozen | cr2: some arrays and structures look pretty familliar to me :) |
| 11:08.09 | cr2 | hi |
| 11:08.27 | cr2 | kiozen: how do they compare to gpsmapedit names ? |
| 11:09.25 | kiozen | cr2: can't tell, loads of my code are gpsmapedit, too :) |
| 11:10.01 | cr2 | ok, i'll have a look. |
| 11:10.16 | kiozen | cr2: the polygon sorting is most likely from QL |
| 11:10.49 | cr2 | kiozen: are you doing something with the georeferencer for M ? |
| 11:10.59 | kiozen | cr2: ?? |
| 11:11.13 | cr2 | kiozen: btw, i think that these topo maps are the best i've seen http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Finsko-Finlandia/Karjala/cd1/kartat/topografinen_20000/ |
| 11:11.23 | Foxdie | guys, do you know how to get the latest qtopia for universal image to work? |
| 11:11.34 | Foxdie | it just says "no network" yet I had full reception back in windows |
| 11:11.45 | cr2 | kiozen: creating geotiff from pictures it not always easy... |
| 11:12.21 | cr2 | kiozen: i'm using qgis georeferencer plugin, but it really needs some gui improvements to make the experience more pleasant. |
| 11:12.30 | kiozen | cr2: that's waht you mean. No nothing so far... But it's one of the must be in future |
| 11:13.05 | cr2 | ok. |
| 11:13.09 | kiozen | cr2: yes it should be as easy as point and click 3 points, give coordiantes -> get referenced scaled map |
| 11:13.20 | Foxdie | ooh it works, its works, muahhahahaaa |
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| 11:13.42 | cr2 | kiozen: "give coordiantes" is too much work. |
| 11:14.26 | kiozen | but you need the known coordinates of 3 different pixel |
| 11:14.28 | cr2 | kiozen: i've added 'pick the coordinates for a clicked point' from an already georeferenced vector or raster map |
| 11:14.39 | cr2 | to qgis, so it's already there. |
| 11:15.08 | cr2 | so you click the same point on 2 maps, and get the coordinates. |
| 11:15.25 | kiozen | cr2: sounds good |
| 11:15.40 | cr2 | the problem is that one needs to know some extra things to do it right. |
| 11:15.58 | cr2 | so it can be done more transparent and easier for the user. |
| 11:17.34 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you have a new qtopia image with roadmap ? i'll test it today. with the sim card. |
| 11:17.39 | kiozen | cr2: what about show the rastermap as semitransparent layer on a OSM map. And move points like crossings until they match ? |
| 11:18.25 | cr2 | kiozen: that may be even better. |
| 11:18.55 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes, it's a week old i think, you have to edit the paths yourself. |
| 11:19.10 | goxboxlive | have no time tom make new ones now. |
| 11:19.43 | kiozen | cr2: but you need a hell of a machine to transform the ratermap in real time |
| 11:19.48 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok, but the binary is there ? |
| 11:20.04 | kiozen | cr2: the map looks nice, I like thos handdrawn topo maps |
| 11:20.15 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes |
| 11:20.28 | kiozen | cr2: did you stitch it tigether already? |
| 11:20.32 | goxboxlive | cr2 u ran mainline roadmap to work todaym, it wroked ok. |
| 11:20.38 | cr2 | kiozen: i'd be happy with moving the GCPs with predefined coordinates to "their" places. |
| 11:20.42 | goxboxlive | Going to test the xanadux version on my way home. |
| 11:20.58 | goxboxlive | I miss the zoom and gps status icon in the xanadux version |
| 11:21.12 | goxboxlive | i ran |
| 11:21.13 | cr2 | kiozen: but a working qt drag-and-drop is too much for my qt knowledge :) |
| 11:21.52 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok, i think we are coming very close to a good working solutiuon. |
| 11:22.07 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 11:22.10 | kiozen | ok, lunchtime, bbl |
| 11:25.04 | cr2 | kiozen: i'm thinking how to automate the process, and reduce the amount of manual work. |
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| 12:02.48 | kiozen | cr2: recognize streets on the maps by image processing and match them with those from OSM :) |
| 12:04.50 | kiozen | cr2: I have done something like that years ago to reference dna sequence gels |
| 12:17.34 | lolcake | Anyone know the status of linux on the alpine? |
| 12:22.00 | cr2 | kiozen: these are the finest military maps from 1930's. their accuracy is amazing given that there was no gps at that time ;) |
| 12:22.39 | cr2 | lolcake: it's stuck because nobody has such a device. |
| 12:23.11 | lolcake | I have one, and I dont mind flashing it |
| 12:23.19 | lolcake | Right now its unscrewed and open |
| 12:23.21 | lolcake | But operational |
| 12:23.38 | cr2 | you don't need to do flashing |
| 12:23.52 | lolcake | Yea, I know, haret. |
| 12:23.55 | cr2 | it's more about tracing things that are not yet working. |
| 12:24.11 | lolcake | I there any way I could help development with my unit? |
| 12:24.30 | cr2 | afair i made the touchscreen working |
| 12:24.52 | cr2 | yes, you may trace some hardware events. |
| 12:24.58 | lolcake | What kind of kernel are you guys running on it? |
| 12:25.11 | cr2 | the hardware is comparable to magician and BA. |
| 12:25.28 | cr2 | everything for alpine is in hh.org CVS |
| 12:25.32 | cr2 | handhelds.org |
| 12:25.33 | lolcake | Yea, I read about that |
| 12:25.43 | lolcake | Let me check |
| 12:26.00 | cr2 | ok. |
| 12:26.59 | lolcake | http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/ |
| 12:27.03 | lolcake | Which subdirectory? |
| 12:30.26 | lolcake | Do i just get the arm arch of 2.6? |
| 12:37.30 | cr2 | lolcake: you get the full kernel26 |
| 12:37.43 | cr2 | lolcake: get the arm toolchain |
| 12:38.03 | cr2 | lolcake: and do 'make htcalpine_defconfig' |
| 12:38.05 | lolcake | Its not as simple as make config, make, make modules right? |
| 12:38.08 | lolcake | Oh right |
| 12:38.32 | lolcake | make htcalpine_defconfig, make? |
| 12:38.37 | lolcake | and make modules? |
| 12:38.38 | cr2 | the compilation may be broken in the latest version, i need to check. |
| 12:38.40 | cr2 | yes. |
| 12:38.44 | lolcake | k |
| 12:38.46 | cr2 | make does the modules too |
| 12:38.49 | cr2 | in 2.6 |
| 12:38.49 | lolcake | ok |
| 12:38.54 | cr2 | in 2.4 it was different |
| 12:38.56 | lolcake | right, i was thinking 2.4 :/ |
| 12:38.58 | lolcake | yea |
| 12:41.28 | lolcake | I wont be needing my SD Reader for anything right? I dont think its working properly, I couldnt figure out what was wrong with it in WM2003. Maybe when i boot linux ill figure it out. |
| 12:41.41 | lolcake | It cant find it as a device. |
| 12:44.12 | cr2 | you need to do some tricks for a readerless setup. |
| 12:46.07 | lolcake | Hmm |
| 12:46.17 | lolcake | I store the image file in /Storage/ |
| 12:46.24 | lolcake | Instead of /Storage Card/ |
| 12:46.29 | lolcake | I can do that right? |
| 12:52.50 | cr2 | you need to ask goxboxlive, i don't know the details |
| 12:53.47 | lolcake | goxboxlive, boo. |
| 12:54.01 | cr2 | hehe. ipaq 514 is also omap850 |
| 12:54.19 | lolcake | aha |
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| 13:18.10 | BabelO | cr2: http://www.01net.com/editorial/368955/toshiba-devoile-l-emo-un-mini-pc-pour-internet/ |
| 13:20.52 | dcordes | hi all |
| 13:21.06 | cr2 | BabelO: cpu ? |
| 13:22.05 | cr2 | BabelO: i'm wondering why don't they leave apple alone and do something better ? |
| 13:24.06 | cr2 | BabelO: htc was evil to use a vga screen in athena. 800x600 would be nice to have :) |
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| 13:24.47 | dcordes_ | freenode hates me!!!! |
| 13:27.24 | kiozen | cr2: how expensive in terms of battery lifetime is accessing SD memory on a mobile device |
| 13:28.40 | kiozen | cr2: I wonder if I should keep the waypoint database in memory or operate it from SD memory via file access |
| 13:29.24 | cr2 | kiozen: memory is certainly better. if you can afford it. |
| 13:29.50 | kiozen | cr2: just a bit better or definetly better? |
| 13:30.20 | cr2 | kiozen: there is a 'powermon' command in haret that reports the battery voltage/current/temperature, so you can do some real-life tests. |
| 13:30.48 | cr2 | i don't know, it depends on too many factors. |
| 13:30.59 | kiozen | cr2: no I can't, the device is packed already :) |
| 13:31.05 | cr2 | ok :) |
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| 13:32.34 | cr2 | it's an interesting project in itself |
| 13:32.57 | cr2 | to evaluate the power budget in wince and in linux for our devices. |
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| 13:56.14 | BabelO | cr2: this emo toshiba plateform contain new intel motherboard for umpc. It is funny to saw new web browser management, you move your umpc and it move on the web page ;) it is like a WII but mobile version... lol |
| 13:56.54 | kiozen | BabelO: what happens to the page if you throw it? |
| 13:59.20 | BabelO | kiozen: lol, it is like compiz fusion effect ;) |
| 13:59.53 | kiozen | BabelO: or all lines squeezed into one... |
| 14:01.22 | kiozen | by accelaration. |
| 14:07.01 | BabelO | kiozen: il try to compile qtopia git |
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| 14:15.38 | vekeasd | hi |
| 14:15.58 | vekeasd | Can someone tell me if someone has tested linux under htc p3600 trinity? |
| 14:20.53 | cr2 | vekeasd: not really, but it's very close to hermes |
| 14:21.01 | vekeasd | noone? |
| 14:22.35 | cr2 | take the hermes kernel and set the trinity id. we have booted it on treo750 this way. |
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| 14:32.29 | dcordes_ | I need to get an universal so I can play snes roms with sony sixaxis controller on it. |
| 14:39.29 | dcordes_ | lol j/k |
| 14:39.57 | Foxdie | no! don't joke! |
| 14:40.01 | Foxdie | it'd be fucking amazing |
| 14:40.11 | Foxdie | I'd quit work and just play games on my universal all day long :D |
| 14:40.12 | dcordes_ | of course- something the world needs. |
| 14:40.53 | dcordes_ | depending on what version of hcid you have, all you need might be sixpair.c |
| 14:41.04 | Foxdie | question |
| 14:41.12 | Foxdie | does the universal have any kind of accelerometer in it? |
| 14:41.28 | Foxdie | because when using the qtopia rom, for some reason the backlight comes on automatically every time I move the pda |
| 14:41.35 | Foxdie | at first I thought I was hitting the external buttons |
| 14:41.36 | dcordes_ | hook up sixaxis to your usb host (possibly with hub) run # sixpair, disconnect usb and have fund with your brand new 304304-axis bt gamepad |
| 14:41.46 | Foxdie | but then I realised I wasn't, and it was a "holy crap wtf" moment |
| 14:41.52 | dcordes_ | dude sixaxis matches all your accerlometer needs |
| 14:42.16 | dcordes_ | imagine you meet up with your universal buddy and have a round of light saber fighting |
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| 14:45.26 | Foxdie | now you're talking crazy |
| 14:45.45 | Foxdie | I'd much rather somehow get the guitar hero guitar working with it and somehow get Frets on Fire working on the universal :D |
| 14:45.48 | dcordes_ | well at least you could 1on1 snes games with 2 sixaxis on one uni! |
| 14:46.32 | cr2 | dcordes_: the flashlight LED in universal can't work for long time. |
| 14:46.39 | dcordes_ | I really need to get sixaxis' motion sensor qualities working! |
| 14:46.51 | Foxdie | cr2: rave time? :D |
| 14:46.57 | dcordes_ | cr2, what do you mean? battery to week for all the bluetooth traffic? |
| 14:47.08 | cr2 | lol |
| 14:47.35 | cr2 | only athena has an accelerometer. |
| 14:47.45 | Foxdie | universal doesn't? |
| 14:47.49 | cr2 | no. |
| 14:47.53 | Foxdie | then how the hell does it know I'm picking it up? :D |
| 14:48.08 | cr2 | big brother is watching you |
| 14:48.16 | Foxdie | O.O |
| 14:48.49 | dcordes_ | cr2, what is accerlometer in athena used for when not in light sabre mode? |
| 14:49.12 | dcordes_ | Foxdie, possibly it has light sensor?? |
| 14:49.25 | Foxdie | it does yes |
| 14:49.27 | dcordes_ | and light sensor irq calls acpi even |
| 14:49.32 | dcordes_ | and it makes it wake up |
| 14:49.39 | Foxdie | but, the light sensor is covered up beacuse the lcd is flipped around |
| 14:49.47 | Foxdie | in pda / portrait mode |
| 14:49.51 | cr2 | don't know. if it's accurate enough it can be used instead of gps in tunnels. but i doubt that it's accurate. |
| 14:50.10 | dcordes_ | cr2, I mean is there any purpose for "normal" user to build it in? |
| 14:50.12 | Foxdie | cr2: some gps receivers have accelerometer built in |
| 14:51.11 | cr2 | dcordes_: don't know. |
| 14:51.45 | cr2 | Foxdie: a good laserbeam accelerometer costs 4 times more than an athena ;) |
| 14:52.31 | cr2 | unlike the semiconductor junk ones. |
| 14:52.56 | Foxdie | the kinda thing you have to sell both kidneys for? |
| 14:53.15 | kiozen | cr2: they are bot THAT bad. |
| 14:53.25 | kiozen | s/bot/not/ |
| 14:53.34 | cr2 | Foxdie: yeah |
| 14:54.07 | cr2 | kiozen: "professional" hardware is always expensive :) |
| 14:54.33 | kiozen | they can be used to stabilize a four propeller UFO |
| 14:54.47 | Foxdie | odd, so odd |
| 14:54.55 | kiozen | which is kind of nice controll work |
| 14:55.00 | Foxdie | I definately picked it up with no button or screen touching, and backlight came on |
| 14:55.07 | dcordes_ | I need a 4 prpeller helicopter |
| 14:55.18 | dcordes_ | with that infraread stabilization algorythm |
| 14:55.19 | Foxdie | I will try next covering it up with hat |
| 14:55.27 | dcordes_ | cr2, can you make me a cheap one? |
| 14:55.39 | dcordes_ | I will borrow kaiser in change |
| 14:55.47 | Foxdie | okay, covering it up with hat didn't make the backlight come on |
| 14:55.51 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, that's this kind of hardware :) |
| 14:55.52 | Foxdie | I will try moving it again now |
| 14:56.24 | Foxdie | DUH |
| 14:56.39 | Foxdie | when you press clamshell together when in portrait mode it presses the FN key |
| 14:56.43 | Foxdie | lol |
| 14:57.38 | cr2 | dcordes_: we bought one once for an instrument. the blackbox sized like 2 kaisers |
| 14:58.09 | kiozen | cr2: I am talking of that http://www.widicam.net/main/html/rcxufovids.html :) |
| 14:58.28 | dcordes_ | Foxdie, http://www.pabr.org/sixlinux/sixlinux.en.html |
| 14:58.46 | Foxdie | dcordes_: sorry to get your hopes up, I was partially joking |
| 14:58.58 | Foxdie | I would much prefer a xbox 360 controller >:) |
| 14:59.06 | dcordes_ | cr2, one of that hobby thingies or one from the professional category? |
| 14:59.24 | dcordes_ | ~lart Foxdie |
| 14:59.24 | apt | shoots Foxdie in the head |
| 14:59.28 | dcordes_ | ouch |
| 14:59.36 | dcordes_ | that's harsh |
| 14:59.51 | Foxdie | ~lart dcordes_ |
| 14:59.51 | apt | slams dcordes_ against a large cement Tux |
| 14:59.53 | cr2 | dcordes_: professional |
| 14:59.57 | Foxdie | ;) |
| 14:59.58 | kiozen | the apt we wherer calling ... :) |
| 15:00.53 | Foxdie | hmm, wish I could get UTMS/GPRS working on latest qtopia rom |
| 15:01.01 | Foxdie | it just sits there saying "offline" |
| 15:01.05 | Foxdie | I'm not sure I've configured it properly |
| 15:01.21 | dcordes_ | all you need is msm7200 cpu doku for your pda needs. |
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| 15:01.37 | cr2 | dcordes_: is it possible to run linux on ps3 ? with full access. |
| 15:01.52 | Foxdie | triple core linux? |
| 15:01.57 | Foxdie | I bet that'd rock for video encoding :) |
| 15:02.23 | Foxdie | you'd be like able to plug in the ps3 webcam, and create a H264 + AAC webcam feed |
| 15:03.05 | dcordes_ | cr2, no. you are working with a hypervisor in ps3linux |
| 15:04.21 | cr2 | dcordes_: that's as bad a msm7200. but we can learn more about msm7200 thanks to htc :) |
| 15:04.59 | dcordes_ | cr2, I tried out a 4 month out cell linux kernel running ubuntu and it was really slow ass |
| 15:05.00 | cr2 | Foxdie: uni has 2 webcams already |
| 15:05.16 | Foxdie | yes, but does it have the cpu power to encode video to stream? :P |
| 15:05.21 | dcordes_ | but I hear ps3devs gained access to additional hardware to fasten up things |
| 15:05.24 | cr2 | dcordes_: slow for what ? |
| 15:05.39 | dcordes_ | cr2, X11 |
| 15:06.06 | dcordes_ | but I think also in the spare cell linux kernel a lot changed since that |
| 15:06.14 | cr2 | ok, the same what they want to push on msm |
| 15:06.28 | dcordes_ | who? |
| 15:06.37 | cr2 | the MAN :) |
| 15:06.49 | dcordes_ | you mean hypervisor==pistachio? |
| 15:06.56 | cr2 | yes. |
| 15:07.11 | cr2 | and no direct video fb access. |
| 15:07.51 | dcordes_ | that's so sick. on a game console I can understand this to a certain extend |
| 15:08.24 | dcordes_ | if somebody has full access to the ps3 hardware, somebody drops the bomb "crysis on ps3, better t han on pc" and nobody buys games anymore |
| 15:08.35 | dcordes_ | but for a mobile platform I don't quite see the point |
| 15:11.13 | Foxdie | cr2: when setting up UTMS / GPRS on qtopia universal image, do I need to specify an external device? |
| 15:12.45 | dcordes_ | cr2, wouldn't it be possible to get rid of the microkernel in msm completely? |
| 15:13.40 | cr2 | Foxdie: i don't know, never used it. |
| 15:15.03 | cr2 | dcordes_: controlling umts DSP is probably a horrible mess, you certainly don't want to do it. |
| 15:15.34 | Foxdie | is goxboxlive the best person to talk to about it? |
| 15:15.35 | cr2 | dcordes_: we need to learn more about BT and video. |
| 15:15.41 | cr2 | Foxdie: yes. |
| 15:15.56 | Foxdie | thanks :) |
| 15:16.46 | dcordes_ | cr2, SD, dma bt video |
| 15:16.49 | dcordes_ | foo |
| 15:16.50 | dcordes_ | bar |
| 15:23.45 | dcordes_ | cr2, I wonder why there are legal issues with sd drivers |
| 15:24.01 | dcordes_ | don't you think they fiddled all the legal stuff out before they decided to go with 7200a? |
| 15:25.21 | Foxdie | okay I think there's a bug that needs addressing in qtopia rom |
| 15:25.33 | Foxdie | must disable built-in keyboard when in portrait mode |
| 15:25.51 | Foxdie | if you put pressure in certain places you can trigger keys like hangup button and lose everything you're working on |
| 15:26.18 | Foxdie | press on top left of screen in portrait mode and you accidentally trigger red hangup button on keyboard |
| 15:26.45 | Foxdie | I've accidentally triggered 3 phonecalls now |
| 15:27.31 | Foxdie | also, need wifi enabled icon at top, can't tell if wifi is enabled or not unless you go into config > internet |
| 15:28.06 | cr2 | Foxdie: yes, wifi and gps need their own config and icons. |
| 15:28.53 | Foxdie | wifi has its own config under Internet I found |
| 15:29.13 | Foxdie | can scan for wireless networks if you enable wifi first |
| 15:29.29 | Foxdie | CONNECTING to them however, is not so easy |
| 15:31.49 | cr2 | why does IR and BT have the toplevel config icons, and wifi not ? it's hidden under "internet" ;-) |
| 15:32.40 | cr2 | such twisted logic may be ok for wince, but htc still did it better themselves. |
| 15:56.54 | Foxdie | yes true |
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| 15:57.04 | Foxdie | will have to poke goxboxlive to make it more friendly |
| 15:57.09 | Foxdie | LOL speak of the devil :D |
| 15:57.17 | Foxdie | hi goxboxlive ;) |
| 15:57.28 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 15:57.38 | goxboxlive | What needs to be more userfriendly? |
| 15:57.44 | Foxdie | wifi in qtopia rom |
| 15:57.50 | Foxdie | you can't tell if its enabled or not |
| 15:58.01 | Foxdie | you have to disable wifi to add wireless key |
| 15:58.22 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i m desesperate :( qtopia won't configure .. ** |
| 15:58.38 | Foxdie | oh and I can't get wireless to connect, it always says its connected to some "ST********" access point where the stars are some random alphanumeric chars |
| 15:58.57 | Foxdie | but I've only tried with hidden wep access point, and broadcasting wpa2-psk access point |
| 15:59.27 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: i have noticed. I havent either managed to make the wifi work for a while. We should revert to the acx in the .16 kernel |
| 15:59.44 | goxboxlive | BabelO: What is happening? Is it with Helix? |
| 15:59.46 | Foxdie | infact, I have a lot of noticed bugs and missing features, shall I list them here? |
| 16:00.24 | Foxdie | the biggest and most annoying "bug" is when in portrait mode (not that there's a landscape mode) the universal has a design flaw, pressing in certain points on the screen triggers the keys underneath |
| 16:00.33 | Foxdie | I've accidentally made 4 phone calls with it now |
| 16:00.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is with nothing, i checkout git and use universal tree with gstreamer, it complain about dbus and lot of project failed :( |
| 16:00.50 | Foxdie | need keyboard disabling when in portrait mode :) |
| 16:01.01 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: i havent noticed that. |
| 16:01.11 | Foxdie | overall I do love this qtopia rom |
| 16:01.16 | Foxdie | its fun to use |
| 16:01.19 | goxboxlive | BabelO: using the TT toolchain? |
| 16:01.31 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes |
| 16:01.32 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: yes it's fast and looks good. |
| 16:02.04 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i have had the same dbus truoble, but i cant remain what i did to fix it. |
| 16:02.07 | Foxdie | needs web browser and terminal, better wifi access and actual working wifi, and working utms/gprs, and disabled keyboard in portrait, then its AMAZING :) |
| 16:02.23 | Foxdie | I actually feel as if I want to use my universal more with this rom |
| 16:02.29 | Foxdie | when its running windows I barely use it |
| 16:02.51 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:03.54 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is not just dbus, there is also other error, i ll try later this evening with a new downloaded toolchain |
| 16:03.58 | goxboxlive | web browser we have to write our self. You be my guest. I think terminal is on it's way. Dont know from who, but i think Trolltech shoud listen to the community and make us one. |
| 16:04.10 | goxboxlive | BabelO: ok |
| 16:04.30 | goxboxlive | BabelO: are you sure you have done the checkout from git correct? |
| 16:04.50 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes sure |
| 16:04.51 | Foxdie | it could be I don't fully understand how qtopia works, but can't we just run opera or firefox on it if its simply compiled for arm / xscale? |
| 16:05.31 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: not in Qtopia envirements |
| 16:05.47 | Foxdie | how about stealing opera / browser from Zaurus qtopia environment? :) |
| 16:05.55 | Foxdie | I have a friend who has a C760 |
| 16:06.03 | Foxdie | I used to have a C860 myself |
| 16:06.05 | goxboxlive | It has to be written for it, and by the way, Opera (wich i use in both windows and linux) is closed source |
| 16:11.55 | BabelO | goxboxlive: do you see screenshot application for qtopia ? |
| 16:13.03 | goxboxlive | BabelO: what do you mean? It doesnt exist, i have added it from the 4.2.x source, but it doesnt work |
| 16:18.01 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it exist now http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/ |
| 16:22.17 | cr2 | BabelO: cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot |
| 16:22.44 | BabelO | cr2: lol, without any ssh connection or konsole applicattion, a real one ;) |
| 16:23.14 | cr2 | ok :) |
| 16:23.33 | BabelO | cr2: what is the ouput format of this raw file ? |
| 16:23.54 | cr2 | raw 565 |
| 16:23.54 | BabelO | cr2: we can convert it with xpm or ppm.. something ? |
| 16:24.00 | BabelO | cr2: ah ok :) |
| 16:24.08 | cr2 | yes, split the colors |
| 16:24.47 | cr2 | pnm should be easy |
| 16:24.55 | cr2 | the ascii pnm |
| 16:37.16 | kiozen | BabelO: QProcess::execute("cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot") |
| 16:37.51 | Foxdie | o.o |
| 16:38.07 | Foxdie | goxboxlive, please can you describe how to get UTMS/GPRS working? |
| 16:38.19 | Foxdie | I have my operator network settings, but I can't get it to work |
| 16:41.19 | BabelO | cr2, kiozen : kiozen is thinking like a C++ engineer :) i think i ll prefer system("cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot"); |
| 16:41.57 | kiozen | BabelO: so how to parse stderr with that? lol :) |
| 16:43.08 | Foxdie | 2> /path/to/file ? |
| 16:43.29 | cr2 | Foxdie: it's the shell syntax |
| 16:43.47 | cr2 | ok, system calls '/bin/sh' |
| 16:44.46 | kiozen | Foxdie: just thought about getting the error messages like: "/dev/fb0: There is no such device" |
| 16:46.11 | Foxdie | in theory, wouldn't doing this return errors to system caller? system("cat /dev/fb0 1> screenshot") |
| 16:46.25 | Foxdie | the only programming language I know is php, so I'd do something like: |
| 16:47.03 | Foxdie | ob_start(); system("cat /dev/fb0 1> screenshot"); $err = ob_get_contents(); ob_end_clean(); |
| 16:48.23 | kiozen | lol, it's getting better and better.. |
| 16:50.44 | BabelO | lol |
| 16:51.08 | BabelO | kiozen: i m curious how cr2 do this in awk ? ;) |
| 16:51.42 | kiozen | lol |
| 16:51.59 | kiozen | TGIF |
| 16:54.18 | Foxdie | kiozen: I hear you there! |
| 16:54.22 | Foxdie | alcohol and kebabs tonight :D |
| 16:55.00 | kiozen | Foxdie: hm, that would be fun. no TGIF around here... |
| 16:55.48 | Foxdie | where do you live? |
| 16:55.59 | Foxdie | oh, nono |
| 16:56.06 | Foxdie | I didn't mean I was gonna eat at tgi fridays |
| 16:56.14 | Foxdie | I thought you meant "thank god its friday" |
| 16:56.24 | Foxdie | and I was like "well, I'm having a kebab and alcohol tonight" in general |
| 16:56.57 | BabelO | bbl |
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| 16:57.52 | kiozen | Foxdie: sounds like a good plan, too :) |
| 17:01.26 | Foxdie | hometime :) |
| 17:01.29 | Foxdie | have a nice weekend folks! |
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| 17:15.58 | kiozen | bbl |
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| 17:59.13 | BabelO | goxboxlive: how is the screenshot app ? |
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| 18:16.53 | paulproteus | Foxdie, Sometimes you have to reboot or quit+reopen Qtpia, I find. |
| 18:19.25 | paulproteus | lol re: light saber universal |
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| 19:47.02 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;f=src/applications/simplefm;h=9c622bef1b381a4ced241c428f223cfbe2dfa5fa;hb=tsdogs |
| 19:47.14 | tsdogs | bbiaf |
| 19:59.42 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: that's great, i havent tested it yet. I will soon |
| 20:03.08 | cr2 | goxboxlive: new image ? |
| 20:15.32 | cr2 | lol. |
| 20:15.44 | Foxdie | o.o |
| 20:15.48 | cr2 | my mails to mail.sf.net are rejected. |
| 20:15.59 | Foxdie | how come? |
| 20:16.09 | cr2 | spam-blocked. |
| 20:16.36 | Foxdie | on spamhaus? |
| 20:16.40 | cr2 | but the spamming ip does not match mine, and is even far away from my net. |
| 20:16.45 | cr2 | go figure |
| 20:17.25 | cr2 | Your message was rejected due to spam filtering based on the IP address from which it was sent, 66.35.250.206 |
| 20:17.39 | cr2 | wtf is 66.35.250.206 ? |
| 20:19.24 | Foxdie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.24 | Foxdie | - |
| 20:19.44 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:22.56 | Foxdie | oh how wrong that is |
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| 20:25.23 | kiozen | yes sometimes sf.net even hates itself |
| 20:26.05 | kiozen | cr2: new compile instructions for QLandkarteM (I case you ever read them :) ) |
| 20:26.06 | cr2 | yeah. |
| 20:26.17 | cr2 | of course not :) |
| 20:26.33 | cr2 | i'll update the CVS |
| 20:26.52 | kiozen | svn |
| 20:29.29 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:30.28 | Foxdie | paulproteus: did you get utms / gprs working with latest qtopia rom? |
| 20:30.39 | Foxdie | phone doesn't work on first boot of qtopia, have to restart qtopia to get it to work |
| 20:40.27 | goxboxlive | cr2: n, i have no time this days, i am over"killed" at work :-/. |
| 20:41.33 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: i think this should be added to htcuniversal branch |
| 20:42.29 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok. |
| 20:50.49 | kiozen | cr2: JFYI use GT with the Top10 and copy BETA2007.gsb (from M path) into your execution path. This will do quite some error correction. |
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| 20:53.28 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: there? |
| 21:07.08 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: it's a lot to explain to have gprs workint. There is a howto athh.org, or if you read the LOGS of the irc the last week someone has tried the same with BA. |
| 21:07.23 | goxboxlive | It's the same procedure |
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| 21:18.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: i am doing a reconfigure now. I can upload the opt forler and then you can just replace it with your other one. |
| 21:18.45 | goxboxlive | old one i mean |
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| 21:57.00 | paulproteus | goxboxlive_, now I am. |
| 22:04.44 | goxboxlive_ | hi' |
| 22:04.51 | goxboxlive_ | i had some git problems |
| 22:04.58 | paulproteus | Did you figure them out? |
| 22:05.05 | paulproteus | Also if this can wait one hour that'd be way better for me. |
| 22:05.05 | goxboxlive_ | but i solved it manually without git :-) |
| 22:05.09 | paulproteus | Heh, great. |
| 22:05.12 | paulproteus | What sorts of problems? |
| 22:05.21 | goxboxlive_ | of course, i am about to go to sleep now |
| 22:05.38 | goxboxlive_ | i tried to checkout tsdogs branch but it failed |
| 22:05.59 | goxboxlive_ | i downloaded his files manually instead and added them to my local branch |
| 22:06.04 | paulproteus | Oh, that's bad! |
| 22:06.10 | paulproteus | It's easy to get his branch if you let me help sometime... |
| 22:06.16 | paulproteus | You'll have conflicts later, I fear... |
| 22:06.24 | paulproteus | We can talk when you wake up, if you like. |
| 22:06.57 | goxboxlive_ | of course |
| 22:07.15 | paulproteus | Great - tty then. (-: |
| 22:07.21 | goxboxlive_ | bye |
| 22:13.58 | Foxdie | paulproteus |
| 22:14.05 | paulproteus | Hey now. |
| 22:14.05 | Foxdie | what date? I have so many logs x.x |
| 22:14.14 | Foxdie | 5 IRC networks and 30 channels |
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| 22:54.18 | goxboxlive_ | cr2: awake? |
| 23:12.22 | goxboxlive_ | tsdogs: i had to compile and test, even though i have to go to work tomorrow. It's a great job you have done. Thanks a lot. It looks great. |
| 23:12.46 | goxboxlive_ | Wromg name on the app though, shouldnt be simple, it hsoud be greatQTfilemanager :-) |
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| 23:22.52 | goxboxlive_ | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/htcuniversal/screenies/ |
| 23:23.00 | goxboxlive_ | well good night |
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