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00:00.42Marajinyo ginge
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00:00.51gingeyo
00:00.56Marajinhow's it going?
00:02.24gingenot bad. Getting internet starvation
00:02.31Marajinheh
00:02.33MarajinPoor bugger
00:02.51MarajinTime to go wardriving!
00:03.22dcordes01:22 < dcordes> ginge: got your beagle yet?
00:03.23dcordes01:35 < SanMehat> ginge: send me your console output for the failure and i'll  look at it a bit tonight
00:03.35dcordeshi Marajin
00:03.39Marajinhey dcordes
00:03.45gingedcordes: no, not got it yet.
00:03.54Marajinmanila is the 3D interface that comes on the diamond btw
00:03.58gingedcordes: also the stuff I posted was pretty much the only output
00:04.44dcordesk, just wanted to make sure you got the message from san
00:04.51dcordesbecause you quit afterwards
00:05.24dcordesMarajin: I have seen vidoes with it. does it make for a bit of showing off?
00:05.48dcordes(on the kaiser with ati driver)
00:06.18Marajindcordes: Unfortunately the touch alignment is stillVGA so you can never tap most of the buttons =/
00:06.44Marajindcordes: They gave up developing it because the kaiser only had software and they were getting 3fps, but they might restart again now we have some hardware acceleration
00:08.50dcordesport the driver to 2.6.25, setup a nice rootfs with e17 and compiz
00:09.08Marajinhah :P
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00:14.41ginge_well, I need to look at this closer, but I am sure that 800000008 is a valid response code
00:15.10ginge_or am I thinking of ...02
00:15.26ginge_meh. I need sleep. night.
00:16.33dcordesginge: good night
00:16.34Marajinnight ginge_
00:16.36Marajinsleep well
00:18.50dcordesI wonder if cr2 or so had a look at the msm imageon driver already
00:19.06dcordesMarajin: it's backported from the diamon shipped roms, right
00:19.07dcordes?
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00:25.43Marajindcordes: yeah
00:26.03Marajindcordes: Oh the drivers? nobody's quite clear, they're being kinda vague on how they did it.
00:26.11Marajindcordes: I know it's contigent on WM6.1
00:31.01dcordesif they make mysteries out of the work, they're not much better than qc
00:40.14herriojrdo we have logs with the sd card issue?
00:40.23herriojror do I need to make those myself? ;)
00:44.18Marajinmaybe somewhere but I know not where
00:44.38Marajinthe issue is pretty easy to replicate
00:48.16herriojrok
00:51.48dcordesherriojr: hold up, I pasted one of the error sequences for SanMehat
00:53.49dcordeshttp://rafb.net/p/0FL9jr91.html
00:56.43herriojrok thanks
01:03.17dcordesthat's with the code currently in htc-msm git.
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02:10.24dcordesherriojr: did you get my mail?
02:56.41tmztdcordes: did you get 2.6.25 working then to test the sd?  did you bring over the tsc touchscreen code?
02:58.28CPressHey guys, long time.. What's new?
03:02.30Marajin'lo CPress
03:05.59CPressWhats new in this neck of the woods?
03:06.14Marajinnot much
03:11.08dcordestmzt: according to ginge, 2.6.25 doesn't fix sd. the tsc2003.c is in the patch ginge provided
03:11.17CPressI wanna put your guys new code for android on my phone, are you guys still keeping it on the http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ site?
03:12.25dcordesnothing new in the woods
03:12.54dcordesand my builds will continue going there
03:13.26tmztare you running that now?  does it make sd worse?
03:14.13dcordesno, not running it
03:14.24tmzteither way, can you get that lshal paste?
03:14.57dcordesright I entirely forgot about that
03:15.31dcordeslet my install that lshal package
03:15.37CPressSo, do just need to replace the zImage? or is the android updated?
03:15.54dcordesdepends on when you got the zImage the last time
03:16.01tmztthe fdi policy input policy file should be matching but I'm not sure were it gets the capabilities from
03:16.08dcordesif you want to upgrade the kernel, you only want the zImage yeat
03:16.45CPressI am imagining that the android.bin has not changed? right?
03:16.48MarajinYou'd think by now google would release a newer android SDK considering android devices are meant to ship in a few months
03:17.25CPressOne would think. Especially after the negative publicity
03:17.29CPressabout the SDK
03:17.39dcordesCPress: depends on when you last got it the same way
03:18.29CPressWhat changed in the android.bin?
03:18.51dcordesnothin much lately
03:19.27MarajinYou've got to understand we're not very concerned with android until it stablizes more and we need to work on underlying hardware support _regardless_
03:19.48dcordesack
03:19.49MarajinOh, so since people are here, what's going on with the TS now dcordes ?
03:20.16CPressRight, I understand that. I thought that you were using Android to get the hardware working.. or are you using the angstrom
03:20.47MarajinRight now we're trying to fix bugs in the kernel and add hardware support that we may as well use angstrom for because it doesn't crash every 5 minutes
03:20.57tmztthe android kernel is the kernel for the msm devices, android itself is a user environment that works on linux
03:23.52tmztwe are looking for how the hal finds the touchscreen and tells Xfbdev
03:24.21tmztotherwise, we can use an older Xfbdev that doesn't require hal
03:24.35Marajinwell dcordes said something about the hal but it didn't make much sense to me cause from his tests everything up to and including tslib is seeing the TS ok right?
03:24.48Marajinhow many layers does this stuff have?!
03:24.55tmztyes, but tslib doesn't use the hal
03:25.17MarajinI thought X was using tslib tho'?
03:25.19tmztXfbdev uses hal to find the device and tslib to open it if its a touchscreen
03:26.37MarajinSo what do we know Xfbdev is actually doing? is it detecting incorrectly or not at all or what?
03:27.26tmztit's hard to follow, but we have added printf's for once its found the ts with hal, which is are not being printed
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03:28.33MarajinHeh, so it's not detecting the TS, what next?
03:30.29tmzt/usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-input-policy.fdi
03:30.56tmztfrom my desktop, is that the same as angstrom?
03:31.47tmztshould be in hal-info
03:39.17tmzthttp://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xhorak28/unb/forum.php?req=thread&postid=770   <- middle of the page should be what we need
03:42.42tmzt<merge key="input.x11_driver" type="string">tslib</merge> on the input device in hal?
03:43.14MarajinWell I dunno but I guess I can take a peak in the .bin and have a shufti
03:43.48tmztthe other file only matches buttons, but we get a key event not button press
03:44.11tmztso we write are own file for hal that matches the kernel input device name?
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03:44.47Marajinhmm
03:44.53Marajinpossible
03:46.26Marajinwe don't have a /usr/share/hal ?
03:46.48tmzthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/InputHotplug
03:47.58tmztFDI files: FDI files are used for controlling how input-hotplug works. As an example, /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-kb.fdi. This is a way to add properties to a device that match certain criteria. For example, if a device has usb.vendor="wacom", the fdi-file could add a xorg.driver="wacom" property. The daemon that listen to HAL events would use these properties to avoid adding devices the user wants to ignore and load the right driv
03:47.58tmzter for wacom tablets etc.
03:49.09MarajinI don't think we're installing hal somehow
03:49.33MarajinThere's libhal in the image somewhere but there's no hal folders AFAIK
03:49.44Marajinno fdi files
03:50.21tmzthal and hal-info in oe, I think
03:51.38Marajintmzt: Kinda explains why it doesn't work maybe if we don't even have hal?
03:52.08Marajinthough I don't see why it wouldn't be included in <thing>-image files?
03:52.16Marajindcordes: yo?
03:54.03dcordesMarajin: can you make me a hal-utils ipk?
03:54.27MarajinI can try?
03:54.34tmztdcordes: do you have hal then?
03:54.56dcordesMarajin: try? did you remove the build?
03:55.06dcordestmzt: I think so
03:55.29dcordestmzt: have the kaiser's  rootfs mounted
03:55.30Marajindcordes: what build?
03:55.38Marajindcordes: I still have OE insstalled
03:55.44dcordesMarajin: the whole OE stuff on your server
03:55.58MarajinI'm not sure precisely what to do to build a working ipk off hand though
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03:56.50dcordessource the setup var script, bitbake hal-utils, find it in tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv6*/
03:57.16Marajinwell yeah I got THAT
03:57.18nighthawk08http://pastebin.com/m5300028a -- got a problem building gpe-image on package prismstumbler.. anybody help?
03:57.22MarajinI meant literally to buld the ipk
03:58.09Marajiner nothing provides hal-utils
03:58.48dcordeshal-info
03:58.50Marajinthere's hal and hal-info
03:58.51Marajinyeha
03:58.54tmztcan you check for /usr/share/hal and see if anything mentions input
03:59.19Marajinjebus, 707 tasks just to built hal-info
04:00.12Marajin...sigh, everything I try to build errors with some linux.2.6.21 issue now
04:00.17Marajinwhy it's even trying to I dunno
04:00.51tmzthttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/tree/config/x11-input.fdi
04:01.23tmztI don't know where it gets installed, but it could be confused by the ts because ts device has a key event?
04:01.26MarajinI wonder if something broke in the OE tree
04:01.30dcordestmzt: there's only a library libhal present in my X11 rootfs
04:01.41Marajindcordes: yeah there's libhal but there's NO fdi files anywhere
04:01.42dcordestmzt: no /usr/share/hal
04:02.09tmztlibhal is only the dbus client library though, so there would be no fdi's
04:02.24tmztX needs libhal now I think
04:03.01Marajinprobably why it builds it, but ironically it probably isn't building/installing hal/hal-info
04:03.14dcordestmzt: if we would any need this to get touchscreen working, why would it lack in a standard build of a distribution which is made for embedded devices?
04:03.14tmztI went through the oe git a few days ago, I get why hh kernels need that initramfs and somewhat how the compiler environment is setup
04:03.46tmztI don't know, but the old Xfbdev doesn't need it
04:04.03tmztthe hh devices appear to use the older Xfbdev
04:05.40dcordesI can't really follow
04:06.33tmztkdrive was a tiny standalone x server that is now merged into xorg, when it was standalone it was configured through the command line
04:07.19tmztnow it uses input hotplug like the rest of Xorg but without support for the xorg.conf file, which is disabled in the oe build
04:07.28dcordesand now it is configured by hal? this would make no sense because it is in none of the X images
04:08.03dcordesinput hotplus, is that hal(hal related)?
04:08.11tmztthe strace says it is, that's all I know
04:08.22tmztyes, input hotplug gets its information from hal
04:09.37tmztthe oe metadata is not consistent, the older gpe images are against older X servers (kdrive), but somethings are machine related (??) ?
04:10.03dcordesthere are many things that depend on machine and distro
04:10.06tmztwhat is machine need for in oe?
04:10.28dcordeswell there are options that are switching depending on which $MACHINE is set
04:10.32tmztthe important differences should be at kernel level, the rest can be in hal
04:10.36dcordessame applies to $DISTRO
04:11.02tmztwhich is what I am saying, what X is built depends in part on MACHINE and DISTRO
04:11.22tmztso uni and ba can be working, jlime can be working, etc., but not htckaiser
04:11.43dcordesyes
04:11.49MarajinOE isn't exactly perfectly designed tis true
04:12.08Marajinnotes bitbake is still running atm...
04:12.12Marajin336 of 381
04:12.18dcordesMarajin: care trying out the tmzt patched tsc2003.c kernel with your openmoko rootfs on top?
04:12.23tmztthe options would seem to be to add hal to gpe image for htckaiser or revert to another X server
04:12.40tmztwe tried openmoko first, remember?
04:12.44dcordesyea
04:12.56Marajinyou have an openmoko rootfs on your stie dcordes
04:12.57Marajin*site
04:13.05dcordesoh
04:13.11tmzthal will be needed for fso stuff, won't it?
04:13.21dcordeslet me see if it has that hal
04:13.23dcordesdoubt it
04:13.28tmztand newer bluetooth (bluez)
04:14.09Marajindcordes: It doesn't, Ia rleady checked
04:14.20dcordesgood
04:14.25dcordesso forget about hal.
04:17.31Marajin345/381
04:17.32Marajinyawns.
04:19.20dcordesMarajin: can you do an mtn pull; mtn update; bitbake -c rebuild virtual/kernel afterwards?
04:19.34MarajinI suppose so
04:19.43MarajinIt's doing glibc atm apparently which takes a while
04:19.44dcordesthanks
04:19.57dcordestmzt: I'm checking if the fso image has hal
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04:26.43dcordesI've never seen a gpe image build prismstumbler
04:27.06tmztis that hostap specific?
04:27.58nighthawk08dcordes: check the link, it is a compilation error while building the package prismstumbler -- how do I solve this compilation error?
04:27.59dcordesnighthawk08: try putting in your conf/local.conf a line ASSUME_PROVIDED += "prismstumbler"
04:28.19dcordesyou don't need prismstumbler for a gpe image and I don't know how you can fix that error
04:28.30tmztit looks like a c++ thing
04:28.39dcordesassume provided will perhaps work around it. try it
04:28.58tmztlibgps
04:29.26tmztbuilt with different glibcs?
04:31.41dcordesbbl
04:31.44dcordesbye
04:39.26tmztx11-gpe-image IMAGE_INSTALL = " ... hal ..."
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04:43.52Marajintmzt: It's still building hal/hal-info here heh :P
04:50.28Marajintmzt: Ah ok, it built hal-info
04:53.52tmztare you (and dcordes?) using x11-image or gpe-x11-image
05:08.31tmztthe process seems to be to get that lshal dump and create a matching fdi for the device setting input.x11_driver to tslib
05:09.38Marajintmzt: Um neither ? I think dcordes_ might be using x11-image
05:15.23Marajintmzt: D'ya know which provider I'm meant to be suing for this kernel dcordes_ wants?
05:17.42tmztwhat?
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05:18.46tmztx11-image doesn't have hal, but the metadata might be machine-specific and I haven't looked into what the PV is for xserver-kdrive-fbdev
05:19.17tmztwhat do you mean by provider?
05:27.20MarajinNOTE: multiple providers are available for virtual/kernel (poodle-kernel-2.4-embedix, c7x0-kernels-2.4-embedix, shepherd-kernel-2.4-embedix, collie-kernels-2.4-embedix, linux, linux-bast, corgi-kernel-2.4-embedix, linux-bd-neon-2.6, linux-omap-2.6, poodle255-kernel-2.4-embedix, gumstix-kernel, husky-kernel-2.4-embedix, linux-rt);
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05:31.58tmztlinux?
05:32.04Marajinyeah
05:32.17Marajininterestingly if I define the prefered provider..
05:32.18Marajinnothing happens
05:32.25tmztsorry, "linux" might be the provider
05:32.29tmztoh
05:32.43Marajinit says it regardless
05:32.47tmzthe has the zImage already doesn't he?
05:32.50dcordes_Marajin: I broke it
05:32.53Marajinyeah
05:32.56dcordes_adding up htcpolaris
05:33.00Marajinheh
05:33.12dcordes_check conf/machine/htckaiser.conf
05:33.20tmztdo you need a htcpolaris, is it just the keyboard different?
05:33.23dcordes_you will not PRFERRED_PROVIDER _is_ linux-kaiser
05:33.40dcordes_s&not/notice/
05:33.43Marajinyeah
05:33.59Marajinwhich doesn't exist afaik and it tries to build linux-2.6.21 and fails miserably
05:34.06dcordes_I think it's the suppoted machine in linux-kaiser recipe which is wrong
05:34.15dcordes_of course it does exist
05:34.25dcordes_ls packages/linux | grep kaiser
05:34.34MarajinOE is trying to build linux-2.6.21 regardless and can't
05:34.50Marajinand if we have a preferred provider dfined why does it keep tellng me there isn't?
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05:35.47Marajinah yeah there's a linux-kaiser_2.6.24_git.bb
05:36.07Marajinstill OE has no intentions of building it apparently :P
05:38.07dcordes_it knows it should build linux-kaiser but linux-kaiser forbids it
05:38.26dcordes_I'm trying to rebuild putting SUPPORTED_MACHINE in a different syntax
05:38.39Marajinah gotcha
05:39.02Marajinbut OE isn't smart enough to point this fact out heh
05:39.15dcordes_yea it's quite smart
05:39.28MarajinWas that sarcasm again?
05:39.46dcordes_no I find bitbake quite nice verbose easy to debug
05:39.54dcordes_OE rather
05:40.29Marajinbut it wasn't smart enough to say "hey, the machine type demands this provider but the provider prohibits building it, do something"
05:41.44Marajintmzt: So you think we should build gpe-x11-image?
05:42.09dcordes_I think this will just add a crapload of gpe apps
05:42.21Marajindcordes_: He seems to think it'll add hal
05:42.28dcordes_can you check?
05:44.48Marajinyeah in a minute, I need to stop the stupid thing trying to build linux-2.6.21 first
05:45.03dcordes_term term
05:45.11dcordes_just kill it
05:45.20dcordes_won't break anything
05:45.41MarajinActually I just removed your double definition of SUPPORTED_MACHINE
05:45.50Marajinnow it sanely compiles the right kernel :P
05:45.57dcordes_hehehe
05:46.15dcordes_what did you put instead
05:46.35dcordes_SUPPORTED_MACHINE = "htckaiser htcpolaris"?
05:47.52Marajinnah it should be COMPATIBLE_MACHINE = "htckaiser|htcpolaris" I think
05:48.25dcordes_ok I've seen that in other kernel recipes
05:48.37dcordes_with brackets additionally
05:48.46Marajinyeah
05:48.56Marajinand you didn't take the hint? :P
05:49.29dcordes_not before I commited
05:49.31Marajinwell anyway with that then virtual/kernel bitbakes anyway
05:50.11Marajintry testing it with and without the brackets I dunno what they do
05:50.38Marajinwhat you did before is just define it and then immediately redefine it :P
05:51.08Marajinanyway, bitbaking x11-gpe-iamge
05:51.09dcordes_ya
05:53.20Marajin'bout 50% of the tasks done now..
05:58.17dcordes_Marajin: did you only see if bitbake tries to build linux-kaiser or did you actually see it fetching/building?
05:58.41Marajindcordes_: the former, I can do the later later if you want.
06:00.08dcordes_sorry, forget about it. I thought it gave errors about feetching but that was ok
06:00.23Marajinok then..
06:00.28dcordes_it's downloading fine need to contact my OE commit buddy
06:00.35dcordes_thanks for the assistance
06:01.43Marajinooer, lots of nasty QA errors from gpe-panel-conf
06:01.43Marajin:P
06:01.48marbalondcordes_: hi
06:02.05dcordes_marbalon: hey
06:02.05Marajin~75% built on x11-gpe-image
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06:02.42marbalondcordes_: any news from night ?
06:03.00marbalonI read logs but till 23:59 ;)
06:03.58dcordes_sd talks
06:04.04marbalondcordes_: do you know how ginge find values for msm_proc_comm ?
06:04.05dcordes_you didn't miss anything
06:04.31dcordes_marbalon: as I said some time yesterday evening. you need to trace the functions with haret
06:04.57dcordes_martin__, premy, ginge might help with that
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06:06.09marbalondcordes_: ok, thanks for info, shame we don't have mmu in haret :(
06:07.31dcordes_didn't Kevin2 fix those problems?
06:07.46dcordes_..with the mmutrace on kaiser?
06:07.47Marajin90% on x11-gpe-image..
06:08.13Marajin99%..
06:08.14marbalonI don't know anything but will be grate
06:08.21marbalonI will check this
06:08.27Marajinpackage complete :P
06:08.43dcordes_marbalon: ok. just make sure you use the latest haret build
06:08.59Marajinwow..
06:09.16Marajinya know that's the first time I've had an image bitbake without something actually breaking
06:09.41dcordes_don't pull
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06:10.00dcordes_btw if you don't like mtn any longer, get the org.oe.dev tree with git
06:10.49Marajintmzt: yo?
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06:11.05dcordes_marbalon_: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ <- the mmu?.exe builds were for the kaiser testing
06:11.06Marajintmzt: x11-gpe-image built and has hal stuff/fdi files in it
06:11.55marbalon_dcordes_: thank, I will try it ;)
06:11.58dcordes_marbalon_: I don't know what the builds from july 11th and 26th do
06:14.25tmztdcordes: can you get that lshal paste, I'll be back in a few hours
06:14.58Marajintmzt: Not going to sleep on us are you?
06:15.21tmztneed to, but I can check it now if you have it
06:16.19Marajintmzt: The image?
06:16.26Marajintmzt: Sure, you want the tar.gz rootfs?
06:16.32tmztno, the lshal output, sorry I meant dcordes
06:16.36Marajinoh
06:16.38Marajinheh
06:17.00Marajinwell it has hal at least so something to play with at some point
06:17.25tmztif the lshal gives us what we need we can make a fdi easily,
06:17.41Marajinyeah
06:18.12tmztno lshal, I don't know how to get around it, maybe just sysfs stuff is enough
06:18.30Marajinmaybe
06:19.19tmzt<PROTECTED>
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06:19.27tmztjust an example from my desktop
06:19.43Marajinyeah
06:19.43tmztinput.product should match /sys/class/input/*/name
06:20.07Marajinok
06:20.53dcordes_guys
06:20.59dcordes_http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=4448
06:21.11tmzthttp://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xhorak28/unb/forum.php?req=thread&postid=770
06:21.12dcordes_somebody replied
06:22.15Marajinyeah
06:22.17Marajinwith rubbish
06:22.22tmztdid you try making the symlink before
06:22.25Marajinthat node exists and works
06:22.26MarajinAFAIK
06:22.30tmztoh, it exists
06:22.34MarajinI think it does
06:23.05MarajinI don't actually have my testing SD card anymore cause I gave it to someone
06:23.12dcordes_right the first part is quite useless since touchscreen0 always was present
06:23.16MarajinI'll have to check from an initrd at some point
06:23.24Marajinyeah
06:23.45dcordes_man how can you give away your only microsd :((
06:23.51MarajinI didn't
06:23.57MarajinI gave away my testing SD card
06:24.07MarajinI have two
06:24.20Marajinmy 4GB SDHC with all winmo/fat partition I still have
06:24.41dcordes_backup?
06:24.43tmztthat /sbin/hotplug thing, is it in the kaiser patch?
06:24.44Marajintechnically I still have the 2GB card, as I don't see the guy till later today
06:24.57tmztI wonder if that might be breaking udev stuff
06:25.01dcordes_tmzt: which thing, which patch?
06:25.15dcordes_we get the correct device nodes
06:25.20dcordes_we can test with ts_test
06:25.22tmztthe kaiser patch you gave me earlier, but in the defconfig anyway
06:25.26dcordes_why should udev-something be broken?
06:25.31MarajinI don't think there's anything wrong with that bit at all
06:25.37tmztok
06:25.40Marajinas dcordes_ says, all the nodes are there and working
06:26.18tmztbut they are created statically, if the udev event does not get to hal then the input hotplug won't work either
06:26.32tmzthotplug is not used anymore, event subsystem is
06:26.41Marajinhmm
06:26.52Marajinhow would we test that?
06:27.02tmztI was looking at the hal code trying to find hald-addon-input
06:27.20tmztzgrep /sbin/hotplug /proc/config.gz or defconfig
06:28.04Marajintmzt: weren't you going anyway? :P
06:28.45tmztif we can get this working with a text file then I can stay, but if we need to build another image or something
06:29.21Marajinanother zImage? I dunno
06:29.25tmztI was just saying if we don't have lshal we might not need it
06:29.29Marajinyou need to get dcordes_ to test things
06:29.37tmztI don't know if that is necessary
06:30.25tmztdcordes_: did you get that image (x11-gpe-image)?
06:30.36MarajinNo it's on perses (my server)
06:30.44MarajinI can put it on public_html tho'
06:30.48dcordes_please
06:31.40dcordes_Marajin: can you make one with lshal and tslib-tests in it?
06:31.55dcordes_that will ease things for future testing
06:31.57dcordes_reflashing
06:33.42Marajinhuh
06:33.47Marajinit's 403ing and I don't know why
06:35.52tmztyou can copy an old /etc/pointercal if you have one
06:36.13Marajinapache is playing sillybuggers
06:38.05tmztwe might add some printf's aronud the config/hal stuff, but I'll need a git checkout to find it all
06:38.16Marajinwow, apache i well buggered
06:38.27MarajinI hate apache sometimes
06:38.30MarajinI really do
06:38.52tmztthttpd -d . -l /dev/stderr is what I use for cgi testing and stuff
06:41.41Marajinnah it's just 403ing all public_html dirs for some reason
06:42.00Marajinthe config files will have gone boom splodey somewhere along the line I guess
06:47.54MarajinI think I shall have to go back to default config and reedit them
06:50.17Marajinoh for petes sake I bet I know what's wrong with it
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06:52.25Marajinguess not..
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07:09.06marbalon_martin__: ping
07:22.24Marajinfucking apache
07:22.29Marajindcordes_: http://w-ww.org/~kaiser/images/htckaiser/
07:22.51Marajindcordes_: I've built x11-gpe-image and openmoko-image earlier todaybut you wanted me to build one with extra stuff in?
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07:35.36Marajindcordes_: btw, my x11-gpe-image already contains lshal
07:36.12Marajindcordes_: And I did a bitbake -c rebuild virtual/kernel and letit run to completion, it's created a zImage successfully
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10:04.26marbalonginge: hi
10:05.56marbalonginge: I heard that you know how trace mmu on kaiser...
10:06.10marbalonginge: could you help me with that ?
10:08.42gingemarbalon: yeah, Can I get back to you on that one in a little while. Just at work doing a training session...
10:09.12marbalonmarbalon: ok, no problem, I'm at work too ;)
10:11.06zooloochehe, me too ;)
10:11.11zooloochi there
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10:17.01Nistursorry, I seem to be getting conflicting information off the xda-developers wiki. Does anyone know what state the Blueangel is in? Last time I tried Xanadux the charger didn't work and when it tried to go into standby I got a white screen and couldn't get back. Oh and the phone network didn't work.
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10:40.02nighthawk08dcordes_: are you there?
10:41.12nighthawk08I've added the line in local.conf to avoid the prismstumbler file, yet on task 4566/4570 it said that it needed the file in order to compleate vbuilding the image, what work around can I do in order to avoid that and not halt the compilation?
10:41.19nighthawk08anybody?
10:46.33tgreernighthawk08: its dead as dead
10:49.34Marajinallo
10:57.59tgreerhey Marajin
11:25.44Marajinwell I'm off for a bit, catcha later
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12:12.08NisturI'm going to try and follow BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux from handhelds.org but I can't find autorun.exe hosted anywhere. Does anyone know where I could find it?
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12:16.11BabelO_Nistur: why do you use this Howto ? http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcblueangel/Qtopia/ or another from same web site
12:18.58NisturI don't know why. The other howtos seemed a little more vague. I was hoping to try openmoko on it
12:20.56BabelO_Nistur: openmoko version is not ok for me on vga screen that's why i did not made image for it
12:22.40NisturBabel0_: Damn, I saw some images of someone getting it running on their BlueAngel and I was hoping it'd work...
12:24.40NisturDoes this Autorun just launch haret on boot? Do I need it?
12:24.42BabelO_Nistur: maybe some new progress, i did not try for a long time
12:24.56BabelO_Nistur: you can rename haret.exe to autorun.exe
12:25.00BabelO_that's the same yes
12:25.15BabelO_Nistur: it is to boot when you insert the sdcard
12:25.17BabelO_that s all
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12:25.42NisturBabel0_: That's not a problem then, if I get too bothered I can write my own one :) thank god for cross compilers
12:35.25marbalonmartin__: ping
12:41.56martin__marbalon: pong
12:42.44marbalonmartin__:  I heard that you know how trace mmu on kaiser...
12:42.57martin__well, i can trace the bits that work
12:43.20martin__last i looked we still couldn't see a lot of the shared memory accesses for some reason
12:43.38martin__i've been busy with other things for about 2-3 weeks so out of date with kaiser stuff
12:44.39marbalonmartin__: ok, maybe ginge will help me
12:46.07marbalonmartin__: I heard that mmutrace works on kaiser too, but run some tests but no success :(
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12:52.44martin__marbalon: mmutrace does work for most stuff, it's just some of the smem that doesn't show up.
12:58.44marbalonmartin__: ok, for example I want to trace SDIO1 register access
12:59.19marbalonmartin__: dump mmu 2 0xa0400000 0x200 shows me virt addresses
13:00.06marbalonmartin__: I've add all off mapped regions addlist mmutrace 0x.... 0x2000
13:00.59marbalonmartin__: remove SD card and insert and nothing happened :(
13:02.02marbalonmartin__: oops now I get something ;)
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13:16.52Marexany usb-gadget writing guru here ? :)
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13:20.39BabelO_Marex: lol, what happen with usb gadget ?
13:23.07MarexBabelO_: are you really ready to hear the horrible truth ?
13:23.40MarexIm currently trying to write driver for cypress sx2
13:23.47BabelO_Marex: yes :) on hh kernel only usb ether, usb storage are working, midi and serial need a small fix
13:24.09Marexand I cant damn find out where the ep descriptors are written to the chip
13:24.27MarexBabelO_: Im using mainline kernel ... bye bye handhelds :p
13:24.46BabelO_Marex: yes should be better :) you have nice job
13:25.00BabelO_Marex: doing dma transfer ?
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13:28.40MarexBabelO_: I dont want to hear that word (DMA), but it'd be probably necessary too
13:29.06Marexbut Im still at the begining ... usb is pretty hard to understand :T
13:29.12BabelO_Marex: lol , dma dma dma, for camera :)
13:29.19BabelO_Marex: what about ezusb driver ?
13:29.30Marexezusb driver?
13:29.54MarexBabelO_: say that once more and I think you will understand Reiser's wife's feeling much better ;D
13:30.17BabelO_Marex: http://www.linux-usb.org/ezusb/
13:30.39Marexthat's for host side of FX2 iirc
13:30.59Marexyea ... that's not what I need
13:31.07MarexIm writing gadget side driver
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13:32.18BabelO_Marex: what is the sx2 reference ?
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13:33.15MarexBabelO_: what do you mean?
13:33.44Marexthere is example of a driver for vxworks and also complete TRM ... the problem is really in that I dont get how the usb subsys works yet
13:34.03BabelO_Marex: you say cypress sx2 and i have a doc about CY7C68001
13:34.15Marexyea, they are public
13:34.29BabelO_oh ok, i did not look on internet ;)
13:35.08BabelO_last time i got problem with gadget usb, psokolovsky from handhelds.org fix it for me :)
13:35.25BabelO_it was only endpoind desciption things
13:35.53BabelO_i understand how it works once he fixed it :)
13:36.28MarexBabelO_: I need to write whole damned driver and I dont understand it at all :D
13:38.25BabelO_Marex: you start with which driver as skeleton ?
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13:43.23MarexBabelO_: I dont use any skeleton ;)
13:43.41BabelO_Marex: ok, i understand why it is hard
13:43.49MarexI just collected random bits from other drivers
13:44.06Marexwhat is worse, I have nearly no idea how to chip is wired
13:44.09Marex(palmld)
13:46.39Marajintthe LD is really a headache huh?
13:47.51MarexMarajin: no, it's very enjoyable hacking on it :)
13:48.22MarajinIt's not exactly speedy going is it? :p
13:48.36Marajinit's been a coupla years now
13:53.30BabelO_Marex: my Sony Clie T675 is working with linux :) but only uClinux
13:55.29BabelO_Marex: which loader do you use ?
13:59.51MarexBabelO_: cocoboot
14:00.15BabelO_Marex: lol, what s that :)
14:00.19MarexMarajin: well this summer it's going mainline
14:00.28MarajinBabelO_: It's a linux loader for palmos
14:00.31MarexBabelO_: see hackndev.com
14:00.44Marajinthere's er.. Garux and Cocoboot I think?
14:00.45BabelO_does it works with palm os 4.1 ?
14:00.57MarajinI don't think so,I think it was written for 5.x
14:01.17BabelO_ok so i continue to use self made
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14:05.36BabelO_long time i did not try to compile it with latest gcc
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14:53.39Nisturthis all hurts my head... I think I'm trying to jump in a little too deep
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14:58.56MarajinNistur: why, what'd you do?
15:01.12Nisturwell, I've been comiling things from source for a while, I've even done cross compiling to ARM (gameboy advance development) and I managed to set up the environment for that... the problem at the moment is that I'm bored, so I thought I'd give compiling OPIE a go... but tutorials seem to all use different build of compilers so I'm having to 's/arm-linux-/arm-none-eabi-/g' as that's what I have at the moment
15:02.43Marajinheh
15:02.46Marajinfor what device?
15:02.52NisturBlueangel
15:03.02Marajinaren't there already opie-images for blueangel?
15:03.10Nisturyeah, but I was bored :(
15:03.23Marajinand won't it just bitbake from OE?
15:03.29Nisturthis is why I should not be allowed to be near a computer while bored
15:03.45Nisturhmmm, bitbake? OE? sorry, you lost me
15:03.55MarajinOpen Embedded?
15:04.18Marajintis the build environment that'll compile a rootfs for you with all the necessary linux bits and bobs and opie/gpe/openmoko
15:05.07Nisturhmm ok, haven't seen that yet, will have a look
15:06.12Marajinok
15:06.46Marajinjust bare in mind it takes a bloody age to build, may or may not successfully compile without some happy hacking and can end up taking a HUGE amount of diskspace (up to ~35GB)
15:07.15Marajinjust to build your opie-image i'd guess at about 4gb though
15:07.41NisturI think I'll leave it for a while :P I'm going to try and find a OPIE image ready made. I want to get into development but maybe this is the wrong way to go about it :P
15:07.54Marajinyeah
15:08.01Marajinthere's a whole host f 'em for the BA
15:08.22Nisturplus it's a bad time to start, I have to start making a game for coursework in a few weeks, so I'm probably best brushing up on ogre...
15:08.56Marajinogre?
15:08.58Marajintwitches.
15:09.01Nisturlol
15:09.23Nisturwell, we were supposed to be getting a fully fledged game engine this year, but Instinct Tech let our university down
15:09.31Nisturso we're stuck with Ogre
15:09.37Nistur*shrug* it'll be an experience
15:25.20Marajinheh
15:25.27Marajinthere's other engines ya know
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16:17.36nighthawk08I am trying to build the angstrom for himalaya, and having problems with the prismstumbler package in it http://pastebin.com/m5300028a  -- I tried removing it from the build but it got too many dependencies,. can anybody locate what is wrong, and how do I fix it?
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16:17.42nighthawk08I am trying to build the angstrom for himalaya, and having problems with the prismstumbler package in it http://pastebin.com/m5300028a  -- I tried removing it from the build but it got too many dependencies,. can anybody locate what is wrong, and how do I fix it?
16:17.47Nisturgah, kernel panic :(
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16:18.30okiasdcordes_: Hi
16:20.10zamaliphei want to get new cell phone and i want to have it run linux
16:20.12zamaliphewhat is the best imate for this ?
16:20.54MarajinNo idea if any of the iMate ones work perfectly
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16:27.39Marexnighthawk08: OE is broken again :)
16:27.48Marex(not that it ever wasnt)
16:28.26Marexzamaliphe: openmoko
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16:47.26tmztdcordes: ping?
16:47.49dcordes_tmzt: pong
16:48.35tmzthey, did you get the image, if it has lshal that should be enough
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16:55.11dcordestmzt: pong?
16:55.23dcordesMarajin: your x11-gpe-image doesn't boot for me
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17:05.10tmztit doesn't boot at all?
17:06.15Nisturwoo, the kernel I have gets a kernel panic when trying to mount root filesystem :(
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17:15.51dcordestmzt: nope
17:18.03tmztdcordes: what do you get?
17:20.15dcordesit freezes before switching to the rootfs
17:20.20dcordestmzt:
17:20.33dcordesor rather while it is
17:20.51tmztdoes it use an initramfs in the kernel to do that?
17:21.13tmztcan you run file on /sbin/init in the image and give me the results
17:21.19dcordesno the normal rootfs extract to sd
17:21.23dcordessame setup as in my x11
17:22.12tmztand check it against your old image if you can (file /sbin/init)
17:23.44dcordesdisk2/sbin/init.sysvinit: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
17:23.50dcordesdisk3/sbin/init.sysvinit: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
17:24.10dcordes/sbin/init are links to /sbin/sysvinit .
17:24.16tmztok, maybe ldd?
17:24.21tmztwith the cross ldd
17:24.32dcordesnon dynamic.
17:25.22tmztcopy the old init to the new image and see if it gets further?
17:25.34tmztbackup of course
17:28.49dcordessame it seems horribly broken
17:29.08dcordesmaybe marajin can test it later
17:29.17tmztsame zImage?
17:29.21dcordeshe can find the required ts settings and my calibration file and so in the OE bug
17:29.25dcordesyes same setup
17:29.47dcordesjust changed root in the cmdline to the other partition.
17:29.56tmztwhat does the bottom of the console output say
17:30.27dcordesit shows the 3 device nodes for my sd card parittions.
17:30.38tmztthe last line?
17:30.45dcordesyes
17:30.54tmztsorry, what is the last line?
17:31.09dcordesmmcblk0p1 p2 p3
17:31.18tmztno panic?
17:31.33tmztoh, it detects them after trying to mount root
17:31.48dcordesno oops message is printed but it's stuck, I can tell by the keyboard backlight freezing and leds not functioning
17:32.09tmztis there anything above that partitions line?
17:32.26dcordesnothing special just the normal stuff I always get
17:32.39tmztfreeing init memory?
17:32.51dcordessorry I can't boot anymore and not sure
17:33.01dcordesmaybe marajin can poke around with it
17:33.09dcordesI've got to go bbiab
17:33.11tmztdoes he have kaiser
17:33.13tmztok
17:33.21dcordesyes he does
17:33.23dcordesbye
17:48.15herriojrI haven't gotten any information back on installing applications on android from dto (if that's his name, can't remember)
17:49.29Marajindcordes: I can rebuild I guess but it'll take a while
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18:11.54dcordesMarajin: nono it works I just noticed I put the wrong volume
18:12.17Marajindcordes: Dope :P
18:12.18dcordesbut I can't test anything because of dma
18:13.03dcordesmaybe you have more luck
18:14.44Marajinnah I can't make partitions man
18:15.24MarajinSDHC card.. I can't use any of my usb readers
18:15.31MarajinI'll get another 2GB one sometime
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18:27.18herriojrfor some reason cpio isn't creating files in the archive, I'm running "find . -print -depth | cpio -ov > archive"
18:27.26herriojranyone happen to use cpio a lot?
18:27.33herriojror enough to correct me
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18:37.26dcordesherriojr: search xda kaiser thread for cpio
18:47.48tsdogs_herriojr: beside the fact that -depth should go before -print and I'd use ../archive as find would list also archive which cpio would try to include it into itself command looks good
18:48.13tsdogs_bbl
18:49.46herriojrok, I think I figured it out
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18:50.57herriojrthe archive I was modifying would unpack all subdirectories/files, but when I create my own, I needed to specify cpio -ivd to get it to unpack subdirectories
18:51.13herriojrok, brb
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18:51.53NisturI can't boot my BlueAngel from my SD card, I get Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block. Partition is formatted ext3. Is this normally a problem?
18:52.37ali1234Nistur: ext3 should work, it will be mounted as ext2 i think
18:52.55ali1234if your kernel doesnt have ext3 support that is
18:54.13Nisturalil234: They're currently just kernels I've downloaded, haven't had time to sort out a cross compile toolchain
18:55.26Nisturthey've all been from sets containing root fs tarballs so I assumed they'd be configured correctly
18:55.44ali1234tarballs or initrds?
18:56.04ali1234i suggest you find an initrd based setup and try to boot that, and then check if your SD card is actually working or not
18:56.19ali1234check the kernel command line too
18:56.28ali1234maybe it's trying to mount the wrong partition
18:56.48Nisturit says it's trying mmcblk0p2 which should be right... no?
18:57.03ali1234it depends which partition you put the rootfs on
18:57.13ali1234that's the second partition
18:57.52Nisturyep, that's where it should be...
18:58.27NisturI might change it to mmcblk0p1 for kicks, then try sda2 or something, incase the kernel's confused :D
19:01.09NisturI'm getting the same error for mmcblk0p1 so I'm thinking it's looking for some other block device...
19:02.07kiozenBabelO: bt is a fragile mess, isn't it?
19:02.53BabelOhi kiozen, why you say that ?
19:03.22kiozenbecause it crashes the kernel on a regular base
19:04.30kiozenBabelO: http://pastebin.no/15277
19:05.45BabelOkiozen: not bluetooth :)
19:06.09BabelOkiozen: look like you call twice release and function is not tested
19:06.18BabelOor close maybe
19:06.21kiozenBabelO: it happens when I call rfcomm as a process
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19:07.44Nisturthink I may have found the problem... the LOCK flicker thing on my SD card gets slid to on every time I put it into my Blueangel
19:07.45BabelOkiozen: rfcomm connect rfcomm 0 00:00:00:00:00 4 ?
19:08.10kiozenBabelO: rfcomm bind /dev/rfcomm0 <mac>
19:08.16kiozensvn up M
19:08.23kiozenthere is a script called gps
19:08.31kiozenin the source root
19:09.25BabelOkiozen: ok i look, i directly use connect here
19:10.25kiozenBabelO: hm, bind is nicer as the bt mouse might not be switched on
19:10.43BabelOkiozen: yes agree
19:11.56kiozenBabelO: great! swithing off the mouse, switching it on -> crash boom bang!
19:12.19kiozenanyone ever wondered why linux isn't ready for the masses?
19:12.54BabelOkiozen: yes it is a driver issue
19:12.57kiozen...and freezed GUI :/
19:13.00BabelObut not bt issue
19:13.16kiozenwell mobile linux bt support ;)
19:15.05kiozendamit completely locked up, this is frustrating
19:16.03ali1234bluetooth works rather well in my experience
19:16.13ali1234it's a lot more likely to work than wifi for example
19:16.39kiozenI make it crash in a second
19:17.04kiozensimply switch off the gps mouse
19:18.41ali1234that's a problem with the driver for your device
19:18.57ali1234nothing to do with the bluetooth stack
19:21.45kiozenwhat ever, it keeps me from fixing my own bugs
19:22.48ali1234well yeah, if the whole kernel goes down any time a bt device goes out of range... well that would render bluetooth unusable on that device
19:24.07kiozenI wonder if anyone ever tested that stuff...
19:26.44ali1234probably just as far as connecting a device, but not disconnecting it
19:27.22kiozenyes, that is how it looks like :/
19:28.49NisturWOO it's booted, finally
19:30.09kiozenif (--dev->opened == 0) {
19:30.17kiozenlol that is a very optimistic code
19:31.21ali1234hmm... i've seen compilers reject stuff like that for being too ambiguous... what is it meant to do?
19:32.23kiozenit's most likely the line in rfcomm_tty_close that makes it barf
19:32.30Marajinhmm
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19:33.01Marajindcordes: Heh, I can't build opie-image or fso-image still. joy
19:33.06kiozenbut I am not a kernel geek, nor a bt expert, I am the map guy around here
19:33.19dcordesMarajin: what does fso error on?
19:34.23Marajindcordes: python-pygobject
19:35.01dcordesalready tried a pull update rebuild?
19:35.07Marajindcordes: What IS fso-image anyway?
19:35.21dcordesfso is short for freesmartphone.org
19:35.22Marajinyeah it needed some m4-pattern-allows followed by generalized borking in the compiling.
19:35.25Marajinah
19:35.47dcordesit's a complete new approach on graphical interface and phone api
19:36.22BabelOkiozen: i love the yakuake stuff in kde 4.1 :)
19:36.52dcordesMarajin: to be honest, I've had enough of the ts. I will stop messing around with it until shoragan gets his kaiser
19:37.14BabelOkiozen: can you give me again the pastebin ?
19:37.39Marajindcordes: And when will that be?
19:37.46kiozenBabelO: http://pastebin.no/15277
19:37.49dcordesafter debconf
19:37.57MarajinAnd that's... ?
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19:38.02kiozenBabelO: I use yakuake since 2 years ;)
19:38.04dcordeserr defcon I mean
19:38.10dcordesthat's what he told me at least
19:38.19Marajinhmm, apparently libtool cannot be found -.-
19:39.01BabelOkiozen: that s a nice console :)
19:39.12BabelOkiozen: driver is at hh ?
19:40.28kiozenBabelO: yes hh kernel
19:40.58dcordesMarajin: just wait a few hours and refresh the metadata. fso should be quite well maintained by now
19:41.17kiozenBabelO: yakuake is a real improvement, it realy deserves the high vote on kde-apps
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19:42.43dcordesginge: heya
19:42.57gingedcordes: hello
19:43.00BabelOkiozen: yes but default keys is not ok :)
19:43.13kiozeneasy to change :)
19:43.21gingedcordes: did I miss anything fun?
19:43.37BabelOkiozen: yes already done :)
19:45.30dcordesginge: I don't think so
19:45.40dcordesginge: did they get you a digikey catalogue?
19:46.22BabelOkiozen: can you try to comment out try_module_get and module_put in your _bt.c ?
19:46.31gingedcordes: yes, all 9000 pages of it. I will put it in the recycling like the others :/
19:46.41kiozenlet me try latest kernel first :)
19:46.57gingedcordes: did you manage to apply my patch set and test?
19:48.06dcordesginge: didn't do it yet. I though I should wait until today because you changed the code yesterday
19:51.47gingedcordes: ok. no more changes today ;) i finally get the new broadband this week so I will go patch crazy then
19:52.15gingelike upcoming basic support for power management and audio switching
19:53.09dcordeswhat is power management? backlight on/off/dim,..? can we also throttle the main clocks or so?
19:53.17kiozenBabelO:  bang, ok latest kener sucks too, you mean in ./arch/arm/mach-pxa/looxc550/looxn560_bt.o?
19:53.49BabelOkiozen: yes
19:55.06BabelOkiozen: you see the too lines i mean ?
19:55.22kiozenBabelO: yes, compiling kernel
19:55.36gingedcordes: hopefully. I got a partial mddi init working for on and off control. Dimming I don't know about yet
19:55.55marbalonginge: hi, do  you have a while ?
19:55.57gingedcordes: cpu scaling doesn't seem to work properly
19:56.04gingemarbalon: sure
19:56.48gingedcordes: I can get it to reduce the clock, but it is unstable... can't say I am surprised. The codebase is horribly patched with incorrect power management and scaling
19:56.52marbalonginge: can you explain me how can I trace mmu and how find correct mam_proc_comm values ?
19:57.14gingemarbalon: you need to use haret and mmutrace options
19:57.17dcordes~lart google devs
19:57.17aptresizes google devs's terminal to 40x24
19:57.20dcordes:P
19:57.36marbalonginge: what release off haret ?
19:57.40marbalonlastone build ?
19:57.42gingedcordes: more like lart us. The code that breaks is the stuff we bodged together to get it working :)
19:57.55dcordes~lart us
19:57.55aptruns at us with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut
19:58.26gingemarbalon: latest you can find. ideally you need to get haretconsole too
19:58.30kiozenBabelO: same shit
19:58.49BabelOkiozen: really ...?
19:58.53BabelOkiozen: strange
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19:59.55kiozenBabelO: I think it's that peculiar line in net/bluetooth/rfcomm/tty.c
20:00.02samuelbarthelemywasup guys?
20:00.29BabelOkiozen: humm don"t think
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20:00.54dcordesMarajin: just try mmu3
20:01.27marbalonginge: ok, everything setup and now connected to haret via haret console
20:01.32kiozenBabelO: any other idea why it crashes when moving something in sysfs?
20:02.07gingemarbalon: you are going to need to enable permissive tracing: set permissivemmutrace 1
20:02.30marbalonginge: so could you explain me how can I find rtc values for example
20:02.35BabelOkiozen: i use same thing here and it is ok, i llok more
20:02.53gingemarbalon: what rtc values are you looking for?
20:02.58marbalonginge: we know this values from vogue but how dzo find it
20:03.21gingemarbalon: probably decompiling the dll where the code is
20:04.23marbalonginge: I heard that we can't tracze shared mem ?
20:04.34marbalon*trace
20:04.47gingemarbalon: you can if you use either mmutrace with small blocks of data or a polling watch
20:07.07gingemarbalon: most of the rtc stuff if done through proc_comm
20:07.24marbalonginge: ok, so we know where smd driver write values  MSM_SHARED_RAM_BASE+0xfc100+PC_DATA1 and MSM_SHARED_RAM_BASE+0xfc100+PC_DATA2
20:08.01marbalonginge: and command to MSM_SHARED_RAM_BASE+0xfc100
20:08.14gingeright, you can also see that in the kaiser mmu map page http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMemoryMap useful reference if you ddnt see it yet
20:08.17marbalonso I can add this regions to mmutrace ?
20:08.38marbalonginge: yes, I know this
20:09.50gingemarbalon: ok. yes, you need to find out the virtual address of the addresses above
20:09.52marbalonginge: so now I should use dump mmu 2 addr range to find virt addres ?
20:10.00gingemarbalon: yes,
20:11.11marbalonginge: dump mmu 2 0x01ffc100 0x4 fro command ?
20:11.27marbalonginge: result is 5 addresses
20:11.40gingesorry, yes. Are there any tiny ones?
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20:11.41marbalonI should add all of them ?
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20:11.57gingemarbalon: some will cause crashes if you try and trace them all
20:12.08ginges/will/may/
20:12.39marbalon95100000  | 01f00000 |   1MB section |    AP=1 T=7
20:12.46marbalonb5100000  | 01f00000 |   1MB section |    AP=1 T=7
20:12.53marbalon4820a000 | 01ffc000 | Extended (4K) |    AP=3
20:12.59marbalon48308000 | 01ffc000 | Extended (4K) |    AP=3
20:13.06marbalon4dc0c000 | 01ffc000 | Extended (4K) |    AP=3
20:13.28marbalonginge: what do you mean tiny ? wit T flag ?
20:13.37marbalon*with
20:14.10gingemore likely the smaller ones (4k)
20:14.29BabelOkiozen: look strange to me :(
20:14.42kiozenBabelO: broken too me
20:15.08BabelOkiozen: why on loox ? maybe Marex have a solution :)
20:15.35gingetry adding the first one: addlist mmutrace that_address 0xf
20:19.01marbalonginge: ok, nothing happened, so add another one ? should I remove first trace ? restart haret ?
20:19.31gingemarbalon: no, now you need to start the tracing with wirq 1
20:19.44marbalonginge: yes I know
20:19.49gingeand hope it doesnt crash
20:19.51marbalonI do that
20:19.57gingeI see, ok
20:20.03gingeyeah, move on to the next address
20:20.22gingeor slowly increase the width of the trace
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20:21.05gingeif nothing happened the first time its not worth doinh that I guess
20:21.17marbaloncan I use ibit for some irqs ?
20:22.19marbalonor watch them all ?
20:22.29gingemarbalon: you certainly can
20:22.53gingemarbalon: we know what most of the irqs are now, so you can refer to them in the wiki and remove the ones we are not interested in
20:23.10gingemarbalon: easier to just start removing the spammers
20:25.40marbalonginge: hangs on second regions
20:29.07kiozenBabelO: did you try my script on athemis?
20:29.20BabelOkiozen: where is it ?
20:29.32BabelOi ve done svn up but computer hang :)
20:29.47kiozensvn up M, in the root path, wait I commit latest version
20:30.39kiozenBabelO: svn up
20:33.16BabelOkiozen: are you sure about the rfcomm release on start)
20:33.36kiozenBabelO: start is for serial gps
20:33.43BabelOkiozen: hand you get is like when you call release twice for exemple
20:33.56BabelOkiozen: yes but you have it in bluetooth) too
20:34.44kiozenBabelO: most likely it's not called as the test fails
20:34.48BabelOkiozen: if you remove all release ?
20:34.56Marajinginge: Hi there
20:34.58BabelOkiozen: ok
20:35.20BabelOkiozen: i ve no bluetooth gps, i share my artemis gps over bt with my ba under linux
20:35.24BabelOkiozen: or computer
20:35.49marbalonginge: nothing happened, I will try larger mapped regions...
20:36.22kiozeni really think about giving wince a try
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20:36.36Marajinwb ginge
20:36.40gingedamn you mobile internet
20:36.48gingeMarajin: hey man, hows it goin
20:36.50MarajinBabelO: Heh, where are you from again?
20:37.03gingemarbalon: back. just move on. Hopefully they wont all crash
20:37.06BabelOMarajin: France , Montpellier
20:37.10MarajinBabelO: Ah
20:37.13Marajinponders.
20:37.19BabelOMarajin: why ?
20:37.27Marajinkinda has a spare Solar/Battery combo BT GPS
20:37.45BabelOnice gadgey :)
20:38.46MarajinI don't need it anymore, use the kaiser for GPS. Trying to work out how cost effective it'd be to send it to you
20:38.47BabelOMarajin: what kind of GPS it is ?
20:39.02MarajinBabelO: erm, I dunno, you mean what chipset?
20:39.24BabelOMarajin: yes
20:39.29marbalonginge: I get something ...
20:39.39marbalona lot off lines
20:39.49marbalon012.069 09bac22c: e5962000(ldr)         # b51fc108==0000001d
20:39.51marbalon012.069 09bac230: e5933000(ldr)         # b51fc10c==0000001c
20:39.59gingelooks good
20:40.04gingecan you pastebin it please?
20:40.13gingeis curious
20:40.35MarajinBabelO: I think it's a Sirf III, I'll check tho'
20:40.38marbalononly this two lines repeted many times
20:40.49marbalonwhen I enable wi-fi
20:40.51BabelOMarajin: already have my artemis for thaht :)
20:41.08MarajinBabelO: Yes but it's much smaller'n your Artemis
20:41.11gingehmm interesting
20:42.03BabelOMarajin: anyway ba is too big now, so i only keep artemis as gps
20:42.17marbalonginge: http://pastebin.com/med8e760
20:42.25MarajinBabelO: Ah well, I'll find someone who wants it someday ;)
20:42.41MarajinPity cause it's not a bad device and with the battery+  solar panel it lasts for ages
20:42.49marbalonginge: b51fc108==0000001d this is write to b51fc108 value 0000001d ?
20:42.54gingemarbalon: ok. try tracing that for more than 1 secon
20:43.09gingein a nutshell ldr = load str = save
20:43.27marbalonginge: it was 10s ;)
20:44.04gingemarbalon: ok, i think thats enough :)
20:44.13gingeI guess see if you can trace data section 2
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20:45.26MarajinBabelO: I felt sorry for some guy with the artemis actually. I just gave him TT7 + Western/central european maps.
20:45.32MarajinBabelO: The Artemis was not happy
20:46.08BabelOMarajin: yes already tried, igo8 works but without the dem datas
20:46.40MarajinBabelO: Oh it runs fine but the maps are huge. You can almost see the artemis going "Maps...too big... brain... EXPLODING!" if it were a human ya know
20:46.50Marajinthose are 1.8GB of maps
20:46.59MarajinMany millions of roads
20:47.14gingethe kaiser doesnt like it too much either ;)
20:47.18BabelOMarajin: strange because it works well with tt6 and 1Gb maps
20:47.29gingebt then again it has a hard time of redrawing the scree after you touch something
20:47.39Marajinginge: It's fine as long as you don't ask it to plot from north england to south east europe P
20:47.54Marajinginge: Ah the screen refresh is shite yeah, good od kaiser driver woes
20:48.54gingeMarajin: it struggles with north/south of this city
20:49.09Marajinginge: Really? It calculates pretty quick in Bolton.
20:49.21Marajinginge: It calculates pretty quick through england
20:49.33Marajinginge: It starts to get upset if you cross the channel
20:49.51Marajinginge: And you can drive half way there before it works out the routes to the other side of the available map data
20:49.54gingeMarajin: right, but bolton is stuck in a time perception bubble that makes things seem faster. At least thats how people there act ;)
20:49.59tmztMarajin: did you test the image on the kaiser?
20:50.24Marajintmzt: What image? the x11-gpe-image? I think dcordes did, I can't really make a working SD card right now
20:50.39Marajinginge: Hah, we're just more patient man ;)
20:51.02gingeMarajin: probably true. Very continental attitude in some places.
20:51.18MarajinMan that's a joke
20:51.21MarajinBolton ain't patient :P
20:51.45MarajinI've lived places where people are laid back and patient, Bolton ain't it :P
20:51.52MarajinManchester may be slightly worse though ;)
20:52.13gingeMarajin: I havn't lived anywhere near calm ;) City boy through and through
20:52.26marbalonginge: http://pastebin.com/m4eed5162 logs for changing time
20:53.09marbalonfirst line is command second is data
20:53.17Marajinginge: Hah, You should be made to live in a little scottish village for a while, You'd find it very funny
20:53.49gingemarbalon: line?
20:54.04marbaloncut command should be 0x182
20:54.21gingemarbalon: oh I see
20:54.22marbalonline 5
20:55.08ginge0x184 looks interesting
20:55.38ginge0x184 is definately a command of some sorts
20:56.25marbalonginge: but we know rtc command it is 0x182 ???
20:56.39gingemarbalon: how do we know that?
20:57.04marbalonbecause we have rtc driver working on kaiser ;)
20:57.17marbalonhttp://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=1082670ccae30e6592311cc9dee93ba978382a25
20:57.30okiasmarbalon: Hi, what exactly do RTC? Just load time from Kaiser?
20:57.32gingemarbalon: oh so you tested it? I didn't test my port, which according the the git is line for line the same
20:58.11marbalonginge: yes, at boot time
20:58.40gingemarbalon: right, it loads the RTC driver, but the data returned from /dev/rtc is wrong
20:59.01ginge... at least in my .25 port
20:59.35marbalonif works at but time should works later...
21:00.04marbalonginge: tha same function for read this value
21:00.30gingemarbalon: want to put money on that?
21:01.47gingemarbalon: sorry, would you mind re-phrasing that please :)
21:01.55marbalonginge: I don't understand ???
21:02.28ginge"tha same function for read this value" I dont understand what you mean
21:02.31marbalonginge: because of my poor english
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21:02.50gingemarbalon: you are better than I am :)
21:03.00gingemarbalon: and I am a native :)
21:03.01RamsesIIhi
21:03.11marbalonrtc driver have only one function for reading date and time
21:03.24gingemarbalon: right
21:03.46gingewhich reads/writes to 0x181 and 0x182 in the vogue
21:03.47marbalonginge: so if this function works at boot time it should works allways...
21:04.02gingemarbalon: does it report the time at boot?
21:04.08marbalonyes
21:04.17marbalonginge: and it is correct
21:04.24gingeahhhhhh. sorry I misunderstood you. ok, you are correct
21:05.08marbalonbut I didn't test writes so maybe 0x182 is wrong andd should be 0x184
21:05.11gingeso why are we tracing it again ;)
21:05.14Marajinginge: You're not a native!
21:05.19Marajinginge: You're a nutter
21:05.41gingeMarajin: nutters come from somwhere too, you should know
21:05.59Marajinginge: We do, we from from Nutteronia.
21:06.04MarajinCraziest planet in the cosmos
21:06.08gingesounds like a spread
21:06.14Marajinheh
21:06.26Marajinslaps a label on Ginge's forehead, "May contain nuts."
21:06.33gingelol
21:07.11MarajinI'm still thinking about that american mustard bottle
21:07.15Marajin"May contain mustard"
21:07.20gingeno shit
21:07.28Marajinactually it is kinda necessary
21:07.35Marajinamerican mustard may actually NOT contain mustard
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21:07.41gingewtf?
21:08.02Marajinit's low (<15%) to no mustard content at all
21:08.04Marajinit's dumb I know
21:08.09Marajinand it's horrible taste
21:08.26gingeyeah cant stand the stuff
21:08.51Marajinnods.
21:09.06MarajinGive me some proper english mustard!
21:09.11MarajinMustard wot's got a bit of balls
21:10.01gingeindeed
21:10.30Marajinless of this pansy "may contain mustard"
21:10.36RamsesIIcan I ask a question? are there ppl here who succeeded on having an OpenMoko image running on a HTC Magician?
21:11.08RamsesIIlike the one that can be obtained from linuxtogo.org?
21:11.46MarajinDon't look at me, I do the Kaiser.
21:12.17okiasare you noticed acx100 driver working with .26? :-)
21:12.18gingenods in agreement
21:12.56gingeokias: I saw, yes. it needs backporting to .24/25
21:13.01tmztMarajin: did you test the image on the kaiser?
21:13.11Marajintmzt: No, I think dcordes did though
21:13.20tmzthe couldn't get it to work
21:13.32okiasginge: why backporting?
21:13.36tmztdidn't mount the root filesystem or exec init, but not sure which
21:13.36RamsesII:-) I just happened to find my Magician yesterday evening and I just wondered if I could run OpenMoko on it and it seems it should be possible. So I made a backup and tried to install, but it seems to be unaibled to make a vfat partition
21:13.37Marajintmzt: He said he got it to boot lateron
21:13.47tmztok
21:14.06gingeokias: we are curring running from 2.6.24 tree. I have patches to bring us up to .25 but the driver will need to be made compaible with one of those to work
21:14.32okiasheh, and on .26 not working patches for kaiser?
21:14.33Marajinginge: time to switch to patching .26? ;)
21:14.42okiasMarajin: +1 :-)
21:14.42gingewinces
21:14.42marbalonginge: http://pastebin.com/m640f1e25 looks like clocks fo sdcc ???
21:15.01RamsesIIwhere can I find that image ginge and is it installable on the device or do I need to use a Linux desktop to do it?
21:15.10tmztRamesII: ozy, how did you try to make the vfat partition?
21:15.11dcordesMarajin: tmzt doesn't work I get dma errors
21:15.17dcordesmaybe repartitioning would help
21:15.23gingemarbalon: yes, it does
21:15.25dcordesit boots but I can't do much
21:15.31tmztRamsesII: ozy, how did you try to make the vfat partition?
21:15.38RamsesIItmzt: I copied a .exe file and the tarball to the device and let the device run the .exe
21:15.41Marajindcordes: Maybe, but probably just need to fix SD. I can't test till I get another microSD card or a reader that reads SDHC
21:16.02tmztfrom ~htcpxa?
21:16.10dcordesMarajin: I can only suggest the sandisk 8gb with the tiny reader included
21:16.22RamsesIIyup
21:16.25RamsesIIhttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/images/OpenMoko/
21:16.28RamsesIIthat one
21:16.42tmztdoes anyone know how new those are?
21:17.01RamsesIIit's 2.6.21
21:17.06RamsesIIso less new then urs
21:17.17RamsesIIafaik
21:17.37marbalonginge: so I should use 0xffffc915 command and data=0x00100000 for sd right ?
21:17.40Marajinit's an old kernel sure
21:17.45MarajinI think the images are quite old too
21:17.51MarajinI guess I could try building one on perses
21:17.57gingemarbalon: we can already set the clocks for sd
21:18.09RamsesIII may just check if somehow my internal SD-reader started working with OpenSuse 11.0 cause that would make things easier
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21:18.59marbalonginge: yes, but not via msm_proc_comm
21:19.08tmztsdhci and tifm ones should work
21:19.10gingemarbalon: true
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21:19.39marbalonginge: maybe we miss something...
21:20.11tmztyou would still need a zImage and that tarball or a newer one
21:20.38RamsesIItmzt: somehow they fail on me, but like I said, I just installed OpenSuse 11.0 and it may do better
21:21.27tmztI would definitely try that, the seem to work on newer kernels
21:21.35RamsesIIk
21:21.38RamsesIIbut
21:21.51RamsesIIit shoudl be possible to install from Windows as well right?
21:21.58tmztif you have an lspci and an lsusb, I can try to find the right driver
21:22.23gingemarbalon: not sure that is clock setup... maybe power related
21:22.23tmztyou would need a way to untar it onto ext2, which is hard to do under windows
21:22.31RamsesIIhmmmz
21:22.35tmztwhat messages did you get from the installer
21:22.46gingemarbalon: I take it back, maybe it is clocks
21:22.50gingemarbalon: makes sense
21:22.54marbalonginge: right
21:23.00Marajintmzt: It's very easy to do if you install ext for windows
21:23.07Marajintmzt: Otherwise it's an arseache
21:23.10tmztand get the permissions right?
21:23.15gingelivecd?
21:23.21RamsesIIwell, :-)
21:23.24MarajinHmm, good point well made tmzt
21:23.33Marajinlivecd would make sense then
21:24.17RamsesIIMounting SD Card
21:24.21RamsesIIFail Fail Fail
21:24.21dcordesbooting gpe-x11 again
21:24.24BabelOkiozen: still around ?
21:24.32tmztcolinux is nice for that stuff, but you have to find the device name (path) and everything else, which is why I said hard
21:24.39BabelOkiozen: where gpsdrive take the maps ?
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21:24.50gingetmzt: I had trouble with the tun/tap i colinux
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21:24.59RamsesII:(
21:25.18RamsesIIUnable to mount SD Card vfat partition
21:25.21gingebrb
21:25.25tmztI never got bridged to work right, but the other one works
21:25.31RamsesIImost probably cause it isn't there
21:25.42tmztlsusb and lspci in paste?
21:26.06tmztfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
21:26.10dcordesgetting remote shell to gpe-x11
21:26.43RamsesIIit's on the device
21:26.46tmztI don't know opensuse though, so I wouldn't know if it should work or not
21:26.48RamsesIII cannot enter anything
21:26.58RamsesIIand this is my windows machine
21:26.59RamsesII;-)
21:27.06tmztwhat messages do you get if you try booting it?
21:27.29RamsesIIthese messages are from installing linux on htc magician
21:27.44RamsesIIso no Suse involved ther
21:27.48RamsesIIe*
21:27.57tmztright
21:28.28RamsesIIso I followed the instructions, copied everything to SD Card, ran the installer
21:28.36RamsesIIon the device itself
21:29.02tmztright, and what messages did you get when it tried booting?
21:29.40RamsesIIUnable to mount vfat SD card partition
21:29.53RamsesII./bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
21:30.44RamsesIIrest seemed ok
21:30.58tmztwith it still on can you remove and reinsert the card and see if you get anything on the display?
21:31.16dcordestmzt: I get the same underscore thing in gpe-x11. I wonder if, when the X with wallpaper shows up, it draws anything really
21:31.21RamsesIInope
21:31.30RamsesIInothing happened
21:31.30gingeback
21:31.31dcordestmzt: I mean if it really updates anything, maybe it's just a picture?
21:32.00RamsesIII could remove and reinsert without anything happened to the screen
21:32.06tmztdid you format the card yourself?, open disk management in windows with the card in
21:32.23tmztwait, do you have windows on that same laptop with the card reader?
21:32.30RamsesIII did format the card in windows as fat
21:32.51RamsesIIthen copied files
21:32.58dcordestmzt: probably the touchscreen works and just the cursor doesn't move
21:33.17tmztstart>run>diskmgmt.msc if you have a card reader
21:33.36tmztdcordes: can you get that lshal?
21:34.55dcordestmzt: error: dbus_dbus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/systm_bus_socket: No such file or directory
21:35.05dcordestmzt: (that's on running lshal)
21:35.06tmzt/etc/init.d/dbus start
21:36.29tmztdo you have an internet connection on that phone now?
21:36.39RamsesIItmzt: I got my gf's laptop with windows+ cardreader
21:36.41RamsesIIon it now
21:36.48tmztstart>run>diskmgmt.msc
21:37.30Marajinback
21:37.31RamsesIIyes
21:37.54RamsesIIthere tmzt
21:38.04RamsesIIlooking at sd card
21:38.15tmzthow many partitions are there and what types?
21:38.19RamsesII1
21:38.21RamsesIIfat
21:38.27RamsesIIprimary
21:38.44tmztok, so it's not the whole card
21:38.51RamsesIIyes
21:38.56tmztis there anything else on that partition
21:39.12tmztother than the magician exe
21:39.56RamsesII241 MB card, 241 MB partition, opnemoko-Magician-Linux.exe
21:39.58tmztare you on xp?
21:40.10RamsesIIopenmoko.linux.rootfs.tar
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21:40.19tmztright click on it and see if you have shrink volume
21:40.21RamsesIIno, my gf decided she needed Vista :-(
21:40.30tmztthat's good in this case
21:40.48okiasRamsesII: it's really sad..
21:40.50RamsesIIoption is grey
21:40.57RamsesIII cannot use it
21:41.02RamsesIIokias: I know
21:41.09tmztI'm using vista and it has resize, don't think xp does
21:41.12tmztoh
21:41.21RamsesIIoption is not usable
21:41.29RamsesIIshould I try and defrag
21:41.33RamsesIIand retry?
21:41.51tmztcheck the properties on that file in explorer and see if it has the .gz or .bz2 extension
21:41.55tmztyeah, try that
21:42.09tmztbut we can delete it if we need to
21:42.21tmztalso, is it fat or fat32?
21:42.58RamsesIIbz2
21:43.02tmztok
21:43.08tmztdid the defrag work?
21:43.41dcordestmzt: can't run it due to mmc/filesystem errors.
21:44.15RamsesIIit's still defragging
21:44.17dcordesit says it can't crate /var/lib/dbus i/o error, when I try to create it manually it's already present, but I can't see it in ls
21:46.17tmztyou did mkfifo or whatever?
21:46.36dcordestmzt: no I did nothing about that directory
21:47.02dcordesI think it's just the usual mmc screwup
21:47.26RamsesIItmzt: it takes forever fro 241 MB, maybe I should just ditch the partition and make a new one?
21:47.36tmztyeah, just delete it
21:47.47gingeso my girlfriend wants to know do you guys know if any women hack phones?
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21:48.24dcordestmzt: it won't work.
21:48.25tmzthow big is that tar?
21:49.18dcordestmzt: the x11-gpe.tar.gz?
21:49.27tmztno, RamsesII
21:49.35RamsesIItmzt: I can only format the thing, not chose how large the partition can be
21:49.48dcordesI'll run an ext2.fsck on the device and see if it helps
21:49.57tmztI got it, only about 30M
21:50.22tmztRamsesII: did you delete the partition?
21:50.32RamsesIIit's grey as well
21:50.43tmztwhats gray?
21:50.54RamsesIIlike non-selectable
21:51.08tmztis there a way to make a new partition table?
21:51.21RamsesIIblack text -> selectable, grey text -> non selectable
21:51.25RamsesIII am working on it
21:51.39RamsesIImaybe sd card is too old? (Wild guesses here)
21:51.52RamsesIIah
21:51.53RamsesIIno
21:51.54RamsesIIok
21:52.00tmztgo to properties on the disk and see what is under volumes
21:52.39tmztmake a 64M partition for vfat, and the rest also vfat (as much as will fit)
21:52.50tmztlinux doesn't care what the partition type is
21:53.29ali1234often SD cards do not contain a partition table. this is analogous to formatting sda as FAT rather than sda1 for example
21:53.30tmztunder volumes, what is the partition style:
21:54.16tmztunfortunately without fdisk of some kind I'm not sure how to create one
21:54.32ali1234i don't know how you would fix it in windows either, sorry
21:54.40ali1234you could use a livecd...
21:54.42RamsesIIhmmmz
21:55.18RamsesIII think ali1234 is right on this, it seems I cannot resize partitions under windows
21:55.22tmzt"rip linux" is tiny if you get the non-X version, I use it for just about everything
21:56.14tmztis there anything listen for partition style, and what is the capacity and unallocated space?
21:57.52RamsesIIno unallocated space
21:57.52ali1234you could also get an initrd based linux distro for your device and use it to format the card
21:58.25tmztunfortunately we don't have a zImage just an installer exe on the htcpxa site
21:58.35ali1234unpack it :)
21:58.42tmzthow do you do that?
21:58.58ali1234i dunno, what is the link?
21:59.03tmzthttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/images/OpenMoko/
21:59.44tmztdcordes: you built a hh based image yesterday, right, what was that for?
21:59.44ali1234ok it's a modified haret
22:00.54ali1234you can probably change the kernel cmdline by hexediting it
22:00.55RamsesIIhmmmz
22:01.00dcordestmzt: handhelds? ah right you are referring to the himalaya kernel I built for nighthawk08?
22:01.06tmztyes
22:01.15tmztis there a newer zImage for magi?
22:01.18dcordestmzt: ok, what about it?
22:01.36dcordestmzt: my local tree is quite old, how can I uptdate it? (cvs)
22:01.43tmztcvs up?
22:01.52tmztoh, newer hhxx version?
22:02.04tmztcheckout again?
22:02.42tmzthe'll need linux to extract it anyway though, won't he?
22:02.59tmztRamsesII: do you have a way to boot a cd?
22:03.42tmztdcordes: that initramfs allows you to use a ext2 image file now?
22:04.39dcordestmzt: regarding blueangel, I think the kernel images in ~htcpxa have the most recent stuff you can get
22:04.51tmztfor magician?
22:06.14dcordesI'd go for the linuxtogo omap branch there
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22:10.01Marajinwb ginge_
22:10.12ginge_grumbles
22:10.17Marajinhehe
22:10.41ginge_seriously, this modem connection is poo. Also orange seem to block MSN??
22:10.53Marajin...
22:10.55Marajinrofl
22:11.03Marajinwell ya know
22:11.05Marajinkids these days
22:11.08Marajincyber sexin' on MSN!
22:11.15ginge_shudders
22:11.49MarajinI think maybe it starts to make sense why I have O2 huh?
22:12.26ginge_yeah, you do make a good argument
22:13.23Marajinthey're not very cheap on their phone tariffs but eh.. I've had no hassle with blocked traffic or whatnot
22:13.28ali1234just tunnel through it
22:13.33ali1234ssh -CD
22:13.36ginge_ali1234: I dont really care enough
22:13.45ali1234stop whinging then :P
22:13.48ginge_lol
22:13.55Marajinhe's british
22:14.00Marajinwe moan, it's what we do!
22:14.03Marajinalong with queuing
22:14.07Marajinwe queue up to moan
22:14.21ginge_and moan in that queue
22:14.44Marajinof course
22:14.58Marajinand then after we've had a gooooood moan, we moan about people moaning!
22:16.05ali1234t-mobile blocks sourceforge as an "adult site"
22:16.15Marajin...
22:16.20Marajinjust...
22:16.21Marajin....
22:16.24dcordeshaha
22:16.33dcordesali1234: no shit??
22:16.48okiasali1234: loool :-D
22:16.50dcordesali1234: what t-mobile? us?
22:16.53ali1234well they did 6 months ago before i finally caved and registered to unblock all adult sites
22:17.04ali1234this is t-mobule UK
22:17.05dcordesthey have too much geek pr0n
22:17.23Marajinsorry for this but..
22:17.30Marajinmmmm sourceforge.. saucy!
22:17.53Marajinwanders off to give a shotgun a blowjob now, for crimes against humour
22:19.39ali1234i think they block any site that has unregulated forums or can be used to download IM programs that can be used to access unregulated chat
22:19.40ginge_lol
22:20.22ginge_microsoft.com is blocked then?
22:20.44ali1234MSN chat is blocked
22:20.48Marajinremembers the tale of Microsoft sueing microsoftie
22:21.14ginge_heh
22:21.32ali1234although the built-in to the phone and heavily advertised by t-mobile MSN app still works for some reason
22:21.32Marajinpeople might have typoed and got pr0n!
22:22.09Marajino2 are REALLY lazy on the roms actually
22:22.12Marajinthey don't do much to them
22:22.16ali1234google talk is also blocked (actually xmpp and IRC are blocked at the protocol level)
22:22.50ali1234and these you cannot unlock by simply registering, no. you have to pay extra for them
22:23.04ginge_really?
22:23.08ali1234yes really
22:23.09ginge_thats scandal
22:23.11MarajinI think O2's idea of modifying the WinMo ROMS are to basically...er... change the theme
22:23.26ali1234not really. i would like to see them try to charge extra for SSL
22:23.29ginge_Marajin: I thought they were all just themed
22:23.41Marajinginge_: Hell no, some of the changes to the roms are quite major
22:24.00dcordestmzt: what about magician?
22:24.01Marajinginge_: But the O2 ones..heh, ya know I actually had less installed on it before I hardreset it? I don't even know how I did that
22:24.22Marajinit shipped with less crap in the rom than the rom that was actually flashed to it somehow
22:24.30ginge_Marajin: odd. The first set of orange roms were very bare. no msn etc
22:24.31dcordestmzt: I think BabelO provides nice and recent qtopia builds for it, also kernel
22:24.39Marajinginge_: Heh
22:24.43ginge_Marajin: extrom contains uninstalls?
22:24.50Marajinginge_: Nope
22:25.02dcordesali1234: what's your htc?
22:25.02Marajinginge_: Anyway I flashed the rom quite a while ago myself so
22:25.20ali1234dcordes: wizard
22:25.45Marajinginge_: but really I just had WM6 with er.. a today plugin and the o2 theme. The rest was just stock WM6 Pro
22:25.53ginge_eh? this phone discharges faster in internet sharing mode than it charges
22:25.58Marajinginge_: And the today plugin only appeared /after/ I hardreset
22:26.21ginge_Marajin: dumb. Orange has a nice scrolling today on kaiser
22:26.42MarajinNah I like it really. They're saying we don't fuck about with our roms so you can
22:26.56dcordesBTW did somebody hear again fo the person who said they'd try and get arm9 to setup 3g networking instead of gprs?
22:27.00dcordeson kaiser
22:27.09Marajiner no?
22:27.13ginge_Marajin: yeah right. I doubt they would approve of it
22:27.19tmztdcordes: RamsesII has magician and is trying to use http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/images/OpenMoko/ to boot it, but gets "vfat partition not found"
22:27.37Marajinginge_: Flashing the rom, no, addingyour own apps and plugins and customization, they can't object
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22:27.40ali1234personally i would rather have that extrom space free for other stuff. it's not like it is any use at all after the first time you boot up
22:27.52ginge_Marajin: ali1234: agreed
22:28.11ali1234Marajin: actually they can easily lock down the phones so they only run signed code, and then you would be screwed
22:28.13dcordestmzt: sorry, I confused magician w/ artemis with the BabalO images. what is RamsesII's rootfs? ext2 on sd?
22:28.30ali1234Marajin: at the moment it asks if you want to run unsigned code, it could easily just reject it
22:28.46Marajinali1234: Yes but then HTC/XDA/etc no longer would have an advantage over other phones
22:28.47ginge_cant someone make an sd partition and then dd for windows rawrite?
22:29.25tmztno, using openmoko exe rom that address
22:29.30ali1234Marajin: it's not up to HTC, it's down to what's in the extrom
22:29.30tmztno, using openmoko exe from that address
22:29.42tmztwith .tar.gz on vfat
22:29.51Marajinali1234: I /know/ but if the carrier did that, they'd fuck up the saleability of the device
22:30.10ginge_Marajin: you mean like the iphone *cough*
22:30.16ali1234Marajin: just like the iPhone...
22:30.17Marajinprecisely
22:30.31Marajinand the iPhone sold really badly in the UK/Germany initially
22:30.32dcordestmzt: I believe that's most certainly a problem from RamsesII's side rather than somethign with the kernel
22:30.56ginge_Marajin: thats because it was too costly and had no 3g
22:30.57tmztright, but we needed standalone zImage to try haret
22:31.08tmztbut he doesn't have a linux with sd reader set up
22:31.12Marajinginge_: And wouldn't let you do anything with it anyway after that yes :P
22:31.41ginge_Marajin: now its a much more interesting product. Still crippled and shit, but better
22:31.56dcordestmzt: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/htc-omap;hb=refs/heads/htc-omap has magician
22:32.01MarajinHardware = teh noice
22:32.07Marajinsoftware = teh fucked
22:32.09tmztI looked through that initramfs package in oe before and it looks like it can boot from a single vfat partition with ext2 image on it
22:32.10dcordestmzt: I don't know what's more uptodate, ltg or hh
22:32.27ali1234iphone lacks keyboard, therefor useless for me
22:32.35tmztbut we don't have any ext2 versions on htcpxa, and those are all a year old anyway (for magician)
22:32.38ali1234even if it wasn't locked...
22:32.43dcordestmzt: you can boot loopfiles directly from haret
22:33.04tmztis there a way to extract the zImage from the exe, maybe reshacker?
22:33.07ginge_ali1234: same here. its the only reason I get these phones
22:33.28ali1234tmzt: the exe *is* haret, you can change the options by hexediting the end of the file
22:33.41dcordestmzt: maybe with microsoft visual exe extract studio 2009, no clue
22:33.52ptlwhat's htc-omap?
22:33.55dcordesI see
22:33.55tmztbut they are resources in the exe?
22:34.07tmztomap is ti chipset with arm and dsp
22:34.16ptloh... thanks.
22:34.34tmztwell chip
22:34.39tmztnot chipset
22:34.51tmztdid you get that camera thing working?
22:35.14dcordesginge_: did you look into the 3g networking thing on kaiser?
22:35.34ginge_dcordes: fraid not. Unly just finished unpacking :/
22:35.37tmztit needs a shared memory netdev doesn't it
22:36.18dcordesginge_: I think 3g data also goes through smd1
22:36.37dcordestmzt: yea that's what smd1 is, we use it for gprs now
22:36.43tmztis that just lcp for setup though?
22:36.52dcordeslcp?
22:37.02tmztat least some option cards use netdev
22:37.12ginge_dcordes: trace the smd channels while switching between gprs3g and dspdspspdspsa, and send it over, I will take a look
22:37.14tmztlink control protocol? the basic protocol of ppp
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22:38.24dcordesginge_: that's what just came to my mind, but I think the network data dumps we based the smd1 regs on, are all done while using 3g. I don't even know how to guse gprs in wince.
22:38.42ginge_dcordes: I think you can disable 3g
22:38.50ali1234registry hacks probably
22:38.58Marajinginge_: Nope
22:39.11Marajinginge_: You can disable gprs/edge/3g and force gsm only
22:39.14dcordesginge_: I'm quite sure every time I did the memory dumps, I had the quite fast connection I always get
22:39.17Marajinginge_: You can't force gprs only
22:39.18ginge_Marajin: surely...
22:39.36tmztcan you change init strings?
22:40.05ginge_maybe in the registry
22:40.07dcordesI bet it's only about different AT magic
22:40.22ginge_almost certainly
22:40.22dcordestmzt: why would we?
22:40.24MarajinI can get my kaiser to switch between gprs, edge and hsupa inside my own house tho'
22:40.41Marajinbut it's based only on signal AFAIK
22:40.49ginge_Marajin: is that the one that involves standing on a sleeping persons head?
22:40.49dcordesMarajin: it's automatically getting gprs?
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22:41.29Marajinginge_: getting HSUPA does yeah
22:41.46herriojrdcords - did you create the android-data.bin file?
22:41.46tmztfunny, the lastest commit on git.android is about a netdev device
22:42.03herriojrdcords - I'm curious as to what file system type you used
22:42.26herriojrsupposedly to install an application, I need to mount the package
22:42.37dcordesherriojr: which rootfs?
22:43.01herriojrwhatever the root is for android-data.bin
22:43.02dcordessorry android-data
22:43.04RamsesII[LeSleepI will try again tomorrow with a fresh mind and on Suse
22:43.06RamsesII[LeSleepnight all
22:43.17ginge_night
22:43.22herriojror better yet, how can I figure that information out myself?
22:43.23dcordesherriojr: I put some changes by ginge in it
22:43.44herriojrhow are you creating android-data.bin?
22:44.11dcordeshttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2273619&postcount=241
22:44.11herriojror rather, how do you mount it?
22:44.13tmztto change what bearer is used?
22:44.27dcordesit's .cpio.gz, just gunzip and cpio extract it
22:44.45dcordessee the link above
22:45.08herriojrI was told by dto or whatever his name was, that I need to mount it
22:45.14herriojrI guess he didn't really know either :)
22:45.29dcordesmaybe he was stressed up or so.
22:45.41ginge_herriojr: he knows all to well :)
22:46.25ginge_herriojr: easy enough to mount his images, but the android-bin is differently packaged
22:47.03herriojrhmm, I wonder what I'm doing wrong then....my app isn't showing in the main menu...
22:48.06ginge_so you decompressed, adb pushed your app in but when you repackage its not there?
22:48.42herriojroh, I can adp push it to something other than the emulator?
22:48.51herriojrI was manually copying it
22:49.24ginge_I am not sure if a manual copy would work
22:49.35herriojrthe iteresting thing is I did a diff of an empty running emulator with that of an emulator with an app installed, and the only difference was that the apk file was there
22:49.43herriojrbut I guess you're right, that probably doesn't work
22:49.51herriojrok, I'll try it and let you know
22:50.12ginge_herriojr: I don't really know enough about it to say either way. I only wrote one hello world app for android
22:51.14herriojrok
22:51.15dcordesherriojr: did you get the mail with the link to ginge's .25 patch, btw?
22:51.32herriojryes, and it compiles
22:51.42herriojrI looked at it some yesterday, but I have to get this app installed first
22:51.51herriojrthen I'll have more time to mess around with the kernel
22:53.11dcordesherriojr: what app do you need?
22:54.33herriojrit's a demo app, I work on cell phone software, it's part of my job :)
22:55.18dcordesoh that's interesting. maybe you can help us getting 3g in angstrom instead of gprs
22:55.44dcordesdid you ask #android for help with installing that application?
22:55.50tmztapk is like jar isn't it?
22:55.53herriojryup
22:56.04tmztis it a zip file
22:56.09herriojrit is a jar, just has a different extension
22:56.22herriojrwell, not exactly a jar
22:56.27herriojractually, you're right, it's a zip
22:56.30herriojrI forgot, soryr
22:56.32herriojr*sorry
22:56.46tmztwe'll jar is zip too, plus manifest, I think
22:57.02herriojrah ok
22:57.12tmztbut it could just be loading it from the apk like jar files with java
22:57.13herriojrI usually deal with BREW code, so I don't do much java
22:57.25herriojryeah
22:57.48ginge_brew... cracking idea. brb
22:57.54herriojrlol
22:58.09herriojrso what's with 3g in angstrom?
22:59.57ginge_um we need the at commands to enable it
23:00.01ginge_assuming thats how it works?
23:00.33dcordesginge_: wrote a script that makes the arm9 connect to gprs using smd0, the AT channel,  and provide networking data through smd1, which is then used by ppp to bring up the connection
23:00.38dcordesor similar ^^
23:02.24dcordesginge_: aren't the 3g data commands in dzo's rilphone?
23:02.53ginge_no, cdma
23:03.27dcordesyea sure but the gsm phone works also with his stuff?
23:03.41dcordesso I assumed he made it sort of hybrid
23:03.45ginge_thats different
23:04.13ginge_the phone part is standard at, the other data stuff is more specific subsets
23:04.36tmzthttp://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=commitdiff;h=4db65641e76c7ab8006deba56e29662da78531ed
23:05.10dcordesginge_: so the phone commands are equal on cdma and gsm?
23:05.25ginge_yeah, its just atdt1234567
23:05.36ginge_same as dialling a modem
23:05.45dcordesginge_: did you see that commit tmzt points to?
23:05.52tmztatd#777 for cdma
23:05.54dcordesI was also wondering what it does
23:06.03ginge_yes
23:06.03tmztthat is the old commit, the tip of git.android is the newest
23:06.49ginge_dcordes: is this interesting?
23:08.05dcordesThe MSM7X00A baseband makes up to 3 "virtual ethernet" channels available,
23:08.05dcordeswhich allow ethernet packets to be exchanged with the cellular network, once
23:08.05dcordesan appropriate data connection is established.
23:08.30dcordesis smd1 a virtual ethernet channel?
23:08.30tmztwhere are asm headers in the kernel tree
23:09.44ali1234include/asm-*
23:09.55dcordesginge_:
23:10.05dcordeshttp://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=summary
23:10.20dcordesmsm_rmnet: Move all smd processing into a tasklet.
23:10.51tmztSMD_PORT_ETHER0 is the first channel for veth
23:10.58tmztlooking it up
23:11.07dcordeshttp://git.android.com/?p=kernel.git;a=tree;f=include/asm-arm/arch-msm;hb=HEAD
23:11.55ginge_dcordes: all that is in my port list. The whole of smd stuff needs a rewrite I think
23:13.09tmztI am also looking for that modem card driver that has this working, but I can't remember which one, not option
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23:15.14Marajinhmm
23:15.29Marajindid anyone try the kaiser hardware 3D drivers under windowsmobile, It's my guess that they're not working
23:18.33herriojrif I remember correctly, they don't exist
23:18.34dcordes_tmzt: are you speaking of an msm7200 pci modem?
23:18.51Marajinherriojr: They made some!
23:18.55tmztmight be
23:18.58dcordes_Marajin: they do, xmoo told me about it.
23:18.59herriojrreally? I couldn't find them!
23:19.09ginge_Marajin:  orly?
23:19.14Marajindcordes_: No, they don't work on my kaiser is my point.
23:19.40Marajindcordes_: The dllcheck says everything's ok and it flags as hardware but the 3D stuff doesn't even TRY to render correctly.
23:20.05herriojrcan you link me to the drivers?
23:20.08Marajindcordes_: Mostly it renders nothing until I trigger screen updates by opening startmenu/keyboard
23:20.16Marajinherriojr: http://www.htcclassaction.org
23:20.24Marajinthe red box at the top has a link to the page about the drivers
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23:21.29dcordes_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg6FtbNRY_w
23:23.17Marajindcordes_: Yeah see, all the popups Ig et but then it goes to a blank screen and I don't see the cylinder unless I try to open keyboard or something
23:23.22Marajin(on screen keyboard that is)
23:23.38herriojrharet has been really flaky  for me lately
23:24.03herriojreven when clearing temp, it starts 1/7 times
23:24.10dcordes_herriojr: you run on the stock shipped rom?
23:24.25herriojrI tried to find an update, but I couldn't find it
23:24.35herriojrhere, I'll post my rom version, just a sec
23:26.18herriojrROM version: 1.62.502.0
23:26.19dcordes_in the dutty's diamon rom for kaiser it works 100% of the attempts
23:26.29dcordes_I have May 22nd diamond rom
23:26.54herriojrdo you have a link?
23:27.38dcordes_wait a minute
23:28.38tmztit's got to be option gt but I can't find it now
23:28.53herriojrok
23:29.14Marajin..
23:29.16Marajinmy god
23:29.29Marajinsomeone made a legitimate use for the accelerometer in the diamond?
23:29.46ginge_which is...
23:29.51Marajinspirit level :D
23:29.58ginge_hahahah
23:30.01ginge_awesome
23:30.11Marajinwell ya know it actually..is a decent use for it
23:30.13ginge_10/10 on that one
23:30.32MarajinI mean... lightsabers and playing some silly tilting games..
23:30.33Marajinheh
23:30.37MarajinI have a Wii so big deal
23:30.48ginge_put it in my car and measure the gs arouns corners and plot against gps :)
23:30.51Marajinbut being able to use it as a digital spirit level.. no that's actually useful
23:30.59Marajinginge_: Mad driver? :P
23:31.13ginge_Marajin: not at all, but worth it just once :)
23:31.24Marajinheh =)
23:31.42MarajinI could take it in the car with my dad, he's disturbing at times
23:31.45Marajinex rally driver heh
23:31.52ginge_fun
23:31.55Marajinyou'd get some bloody interesting plots then
23:31.59Marajinwell lemme see
23:32.03dcordes_herriojr: cand find it anywhere. maybe you could try a newer one
23:32.16dcordes_can't
23:32.19herriojris this it? http://www.duttythroy.net/download-area.html?task=viewcategory&catid=7
23:33.38Marajinginge_: oh wait you're still kb counting, nevermind :p
23:33.46Marajinanyway, there's a very dippy/twisty road near here
23:33.56Marajinif he gets a new car then he drives down that road at er 140-150
23:34.12Marajinwe're talking blind turns and dips/rises every few seconds at that speed
23:34.13ginge_Marajin: what is it?
23:34.18dcordes_herriojr: this looks more recent
23:34.23ginge_heh
23:34.36ginge_I woulndnt mind seeing that
23:34.43MarajinI was gonna link you the road on googlemaps to show the silliness, then again it looks quite normal
23:34.46Marajinon googlemaps
23:34.52Marajinthough the terrain overlay nowadays hels
23:34.53Marajin*helps
23:35.35herriojrdoes dutty's diamond rom contain the 3d drivers?
23:36.19Marajinherriojr: No, only one rom rolls them in
23:36.24Marajinherriojr: and that's a german one
23:37.08Marajinginge_: It's... not that fun when you realise that this is a road where if there IS another car you're likely to smack into it
23:37.19Marajinyou don't get much braking time ya know
23:37.44ginge_I was in a car today with a guy driving down the m62 at 135mph. scared the crap out of me... it was pissing it down
23:37.49Marajinyou might get the first Uh of uhoh out before you piledrive into the back of them
23:38.02Marajinginge_: Actually I had to give the old man his due last time, he was doing it in a diesel
23:38.29ginge_some diesels give some good horse these days
23:38.37Marajin135hp I think
23:38.38Marajinheh
23:38.43Marajin2 litre
23:38.50Marajin*bhp
23:39.05ginge_insane
23:39.27Marajinhe's pretty sure it'd peg the speedo given chance
23:39.37Marajinoh it might be 165
23:39.47dcordes_herriojr: I would just try the latest diamond image
23:39.54MarajinI had to talk him out of getting a V8 model heh
23:39.58herriojrok
23:40.10MarajinThose things have been proven to be good for 200mph +
23:40.54ginge_thats not right
23:40.59ginge_whats the point?
23:41.05Marajinum
23:41.21Marajinthe 1.8 astra diesel panda cars would be a bit screwed :P
23:41.30Marajin"Roger, I'm in... mildly tepid persuit!"
23:41.57ginge_lol
23:42.58MarajinWhenever I see them I have a vision of the policeman sat there during their little hide with the radar gun sessions gripping the wheel and imaging he had a DBSR-9 and going "Brumbrum!"
23:43.08MarajinIt's no wonder nobody takes the british police seriously anymore is it?
23:43.18herriojrcan I install the rom without switching to windows?
23:43.39Marajinherriojr: um technically I think you can flash it from sd yeah
23:43.46herriojrok cool
23:43.49ginge_whats the htcflasher thing
23:44.14Marajinhtcflasher? It has a transparent casing or something? ;)
23:44.33ginge_new phone... htc kinky
23:44.37Marajinheh
23:44.48Marajinrandomly flashes naked pictures of steve ballmer on the screen?
23:44.56Marajinpasses ginge_ the vomit bucket.
23:45.15ginge_takes photos of your nads in the pocket and posts them to facebook
23:45.24Marajinoh my kaiser does that!
23:45.29herriojrgoogle search: Did you mean: hotflusher  
23:45.29Marajinluckily it has no flash eh?
23:45.49ginge_I did a massive hotflusher earlier :)
23:45.57herriojrlol
23:46.07MarajinOh come now ginge_, turd jokes? We're supposed to be intelligent people here
23:46.20ginge_it always comes down to that :)
23:46.27MarajinNot always
23:46.46Marajinsings out, "Isn't it awfully nice to have a penis?.... Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong!"
23:46.54Marajinsometimes it comes down to sex and genitals
23:47.57ginge_boxlocate.sh bluetack
23:48.01ginge_oops
23:48.10MarajinPersonally though I always got worried at "You can wrap it up in ribbons..."
23:48.13ptland religion
23:48.16MarajinINteresting concept :P
23:48.27Marajinptl: ... No, no you're a little off track there I think
23:48.33ptlis it?
23:48.41Marajinptl: When have we had a conversation about religion on here?
23:48.44ptlI think that where there's sex and genitals, there's religion
23:49.09ginge_<PROTECTED>
23:49.09Marajinnah, nobody in the bible had sex!
23:49.35ginge_damn where is that bluetack
23:49.44Marajinstuck to my floor I think ginge_
23:49.52ginge_lol
23:49.54MarajinI dropped some months ago and rolled over it with my chair
23:50.10Marajinbluetack squashed into carpet by 18.5 stone fat geek in a chair? :P
23:50.15Marajinit's there for life man
23:50.26Marajinand it was like a half a pack of bluetack to
23:50.27Marajin*too
23:50.42ginge_you will need to cut it out with a knife and replace it with a bit from under the cupboard if you ever move :)
23:50.55Marajinit's right in the MIDDLE of the floor man
23:51.11Marajinand there's no spare for this carpet =/
23:51.20MarajinIt's new carpet I fear
23:52.24Marajinthe carpet is plain buggered.. years of me rolling over it with a chair has flattened and stretched half of it
23:52.48ginge_hoverchairs.. its the future
23:53.12herriojrwouldn't let me install dutty's
23:53.16Marajinginge_: THAT my boy, depends on where the chairs direct their downward force.
23:53.32MarajinSee if it was a simple repulsor concept then theoretically it would still crush carpet.
23:53.48MarajinMagnetic suspension would be difficult to control
23:53.56ginge_Marajin: how about you move the earth away from the chair
23:54.02MarajinAnti-grav... well we're not even sure that's possible
23:55.29ginge_if you ever have time to kill and you want to laugh at pseudoscience.... www.americanantigravity.com
23:55.31dcordes_herriojr: are you flashing from linux?
23:55.33Marajinand conventional propulsion would just set the carpet on fire and/r be too loud
23:55.47Marajinamerican antigravity?
23:55.51Marajin/american/ anti-gravity?
23:56.07MarajinIs that based on themhaving their own gravitational distorion fields?
23:56.11ginge_Marajin: did you not know that anti grav only works over there?
23:56.18Marajinis this the reason for obesity?!
23:56.27ginge_lol
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23:57.31Marajinwell
23:57.38Marajinwhen the US floats away into space..
23:57.40Marajinfrankly..
23:57.43MarajinI'll applaud ;)
23:57.58ginge_oooo harsh
23:58.09herriojrI guess I'm the only American here :)
23:58.22MarajinI might be american and I just hate the rest of the world ;)
23:58.38herriojrtrue :)
23:58.41dcordes_I'm in Germany
23:58.55Marajinactually I'm british and I just hate everything but yeah :p
23:59.07Marajin<-- Equal opportunities hater.
23:59.13herriojroh don't worry, I hate the US government
23:59.15ginge_that goes without saying, you are british
23:59.18herriojrso you can bash it all you want :)
23:59.33Marajinthere's no point bashing the US government
23:59.54MarajinIt's kinda like kicking a kid with cerebral palsy in the nuts

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