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| 00:34.11 | goblins | is there anybody? |
| 00:34.21 | goblins | htc like htc touch? |
| 00:34.50 | goblins | I use one, do you use Linux to synchronize your contacts? |
| 00:35.06 | ali1234 | no we run linux on the htc device |
| 00:36.15 | goblins | better |
| 00:36.35 | goblins | you have any link to inform me? |
| 00:37.11 | goblins | or could you breivly describe hox you instal linu on htc? |
| 00:37.20 | ali1234 | depends which one you have |
| 00:37.33 | goblins | which Linux distribution do you use? |
| 00:37.42 | goblins | HTC Touch |
| 00:38.09 | ali1234 | there is no distribution yet, just a kernel and some test programs |
| 00:38.27 | goblins | you can easily restore WinCE after testing Linux? |
| 00:39.03 | ali1234 | yes |
| 00:39.45 | goblins | you got links to dl this kernel and "how to" to procede? |
| 00:40.19 | ali1234 | no i don't know anything about the touch |
| 00:40.28 | ali1234 | you will have to research on xda-developers.com |
| 00:41.06 | goblins | is this kernel operable? I mean, use phone, or even openoffice, or other soft? |
| 00:41.25 | ali1234 | no |
| 00:41.55 | goblins | I suppose you know about the OpenMoko Device |
| 00:42.06 | ali1234 | yes |
| 00:42.56 | ali1234 | you can run openmoko on htc devices, but none of the hardware (like wifi and phone) works properly yet |
| 00:43.53 | goblins | hardly exploitable... but interesting |
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| 07:47.57 | marbalon | ginge: hi |
| 07:48.34 | ginge | marbalon: hi |
| 07:49.04 | marbalon | ginge: I heard about RTC problem on 2.6.25 ? |
| 07:49.25 | ginge | fixed. There was a bug |
| 07:49.34 | marbalon | in smd driver ? |
| 07:49.48 | marbalon | unknown command 0x181 and ox182 ? |
| 07:50.13 | ginge | in the RTC driver |
| 07:50.26 | ginge | just a typo |
| 07:50.35 | marbalon | yes I know |
| 07:51.01 | marbalon | I have the same problem when proting 2.6.25 to 2.6.24 from vogue ;) |
| 07:51.23 | ginge | how can you know know I put a typo in I dsidn't tell anyone :) |
| 07:51.54 | marbalon | ginge: what about SD driver ? works batter on 2.6.25 ? |
| 07:52.33 | marbalon | I have a problems on .25 |
| 07:52.48 | ginge | marbalon: no change on that. its still unstable |
| 07:52.50 | ginge | probably more so |
| 07:54.20 | marbalon | I'm still trying BT on uart, and have some problems with uart driver |
| 07:54.47 | ginge | marbalon: BT is not on a uart. It uses the AARM adress and the SMD signalling through IRQ 0 and 1 |
| 07:55.00 | ginge | I started writing a driver last night, but not finished yet |
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| 07:55.14 | tmzt_mp900c_ | could it be similar to hci usb then? |
| 07:55.27 | ginge | yes |
| 07:55.31 | ginge | it is |
| 07:56.12 | marbalon | will be great to have PAN networking |
| 07:56.27 | marbalon | ...or wifi ;) |
| 07:56.41 | ginge | the only UART that seems to be active is UART2 |
| 07:57.56 | ginge | wifi clocks are in progress :) |
| 07:59.24 | marbalon | grate news from you ;) |
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| 08:23.39 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 08:24.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: hi |
| 08:24.26 | BabelO_ | ola kiozen :) |
| 08:24.40 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i do some more stuff on n560, yesturday night |
| 08:24.56 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it seem that cr2 do something with LCCR4 on LCD |
| 08:25.03 | BabelO_ | kiozen: does this say something to you ? |
| 08:25.05 | kiozen | ok, I am looking at the 2.6.26 code, ages appart from 2.6.21 |
| 08:25.42 | kiozen | BabelO_: somehow, there is a hack to jump over the wince boot code |
| 08:26.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: and he had to do some messing with the lcd at boot |
| 08:26.05 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ah, yes is see, it is DRAM_ADRESS |
| 08:26.59 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you have to edit Kconfig in loox directory |
| 08:27.20 | kiozen | currently I am trying to catch the null pointer access |
| 08:27.27 | BabelO_ | kiozen: copy the MACH_LOOXN560 section to ../Kconfig in place of sources |
| 08:27.30 | kiozen | in the hope to keep the kernel stable |
| 08:27.36 | BabelO_ | ok |
| 08:27.58 | kiozen | but I can try your stuff too. reserverd some premium time for this today |
| 08:28.21 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, i do a package for you and send it |
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| 08:52.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: now I can switch off the gps without crashing the kernel |
| 08:53.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: if I can detect that and restart the gps system I can do a workaround |
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| 09:40.26 | ginge_ | http://www.inquisitr.com/2280/htc-dream-running-android-looking-good/ |
| 09:53.53 | kiozen | BabelO_: managed to fix it somehow |
| 09:54.09 | kiozen | BabelO_: at least I get a save recovery |
| 09:54.27 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, how do you solve it ? |
| 09:54.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: but kernel 2.6.26 is still the prefered way to go |
| 09:54.50 | kiozen | BabelO_: added a lot of printk |
| 09:55.06 | kiozen | BabelO_: singled out the part that crashes |
| 09:55.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: check pointer befor using them |
| 09:55.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: silently steal out of the function on a NULL pointer |
| 09:56.05 | kiozen | not beautifull, but it works for now |
| 09:56.32 | kiozen | however the new kernel does definietly more to handle this in a sane way |
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| 09:57.22 | BabelO_ | kiozen: but if you switch to 2.6.26, you have to manage power like i do, over sysfs |
| 09:58.20 | kiozen | BabelO_: I can handle everything as long it is the recommended way and works without crash |
| 10:00.55 | BabelO_ | kiozen: as Marex say, serial power management is not done over open / close , so bt / gps driver need to expoert a sysfs for that |
| 10:01.42 | kiozen | BabelO_: ok sounds like I have to edit the n560 drivers |
| 10:02.16 | kiozen | BabelO_: on the other hand side these to the power on/off while loading the module |
| 10:02.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: for that i ve already done in on artemis |
| 10:02.36 | kiozen | BabelO_: ok |
| 10:02.45 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i built all in, no module :) |
| 10:03.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: same on the old kernel, but the hooks seem to be called too |
| 10:04.02 | kiozen | BabelO_: but I appreciate everything that is kind of standard |
| 10:05.31 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, this way seem to be standard for mainline at this time... and the good part is that you can control power on / off from your app, without open / close stuff |
| 10:06.30 | kiozen | BabelO_: in M it's just a call to a script anyway |
| 10:07.41 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i ve done the comm manager for that :) |
| 10:09.06 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes but M has to work without qpe and any other tool, too |
| 10:09.15 | kiozen | ok lunchtime... |
| 10:09.22 | BabelO_ | :) |
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| 10:34.07 | Marajin | ginge_: 2009 delays? bah |
| 10:34.19 | Marajin | ginge_: Then again, given the current state of android..heh |
| 10:34.31 | ginge_ | seriously. its all very meh |
| 10:34.39 | ginge_ | nice vid tho |
| 10:34.49 | ginge_ | you got a proper os working yet? |
| 10:34.55 | Marajin | mmr? |
| 10:35.23 | ginge_ | om? |
| 10:35.44 | Marajin | OM/Opie/etc. all no go |
| 10:35.50 | Marajin | we can't get a UI behaving |
| 10:36.28 | Marajin | huh.. did someone urinate on the OE server and short it out or something? |
| 10:45.38 | Marajin | ginge_: OM is broken now in OE anyway.. openmoko terminal fails |
| 11:10.39 | exco | does anybody know who's managing the Wiki on handhelds.org? |
| 11:11.47 | kiozen | exco: you, me everyone |
| 11:11.51 | kiozen | it's a wiki |
| 11:13.53 | exco | well but who has the rights to delete spammers |
| 11:14.31 | exco | and who can update it to a later version to avoid getting spammed (or add a captcha to registration?) |
| 11:18.18 | kiozen | I would look who edited the frontpage. That must be someone very close to the maintainers |
| 11:36.19 | exco | thanks, kiozen, wrote that guy a mail. |
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| 12:16.30 | marbalon | ginge: can I look in to you path ? |
| 12:16.39 | marbalon | ginge: any link to current version |
| 12:16.52 | ginge | marbalon: of what? |
| 12:17.12 | marbalon | ginge: patch for 2.6.25 |
| 12:17.23 | ginge | oh, one second... |
| 12:17.29 | marbalon | sorry path=>patch ;) |
| 12:18.20 | ginge | ftp://headfuzz.co.uk/www/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-090808.diff |
| 12:18.35 | ginge | erm... wrong url :) |
| 12:19.02 | ginge | http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-090808.diff |
| 12:19.47 | ginge | SD is extremely buggy in this version though |
| 12:24.39 | ginge | marbalon: I can't remember if RTC works in this patch either. You may want to replace the RTC code with yours if not. |
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| 12:32.29 | Marajin | ginge: I thought RTC was only psuedo working and was returning dodgy values? |
| 12:34.04 | ginge | Marajin: I got it going. it was a bug in my kaiser_smd code. I still think there is a bug because I can't get data. Will look at it late |
| 12:34.06 | ginge | r |
| 12:39.34 | marbalon | ginge: I found two bugs in aur version in git, but not commited jet find line... |
| 12:39.37 | marbalon | + for(n=0;n<ARRAY_SIZE(sd_clock_parameters);n++ |
| 12:40.05 | ginge | clock.c? |
| 12:40.11 | marbalon | should be CLK_ARRAY_SIZE |
| 12:40.13 | marbalon | yes |
| 12:40.24 | ginge | which func? |
| 12:40.54 | marbalon | find this line, it is only one |
| 12:43.38 | ginge | yep, good find |
| 12:44.39 | Marajin | mm luffly bugs ;) |
| 12:46.47 | Marajin | ginge: http://w-ww.org/~kaiser/images/htckaiser/ <-- Bunch of recent built images/rootfs here for btw |
| 12:47.05 | ginge | thanks |
| 12:47.49 | marbalon | ginge: next bug i think func set_sdcc_host_clock() ->for(n=0;n<=CLK_ARRAY_SIZE;n++) |
| 12:47.56 | marbalon | should be for(n=0;n<CLK_ARRAY_SIZE;n++) |
| 12:48.06 | Marajin | ginge: There's console, x11, gpe, opie and openmoko images in there |
| 12:48.54 | marbalon | ginge: '<=' should '<' |
| 12:48.54 | ginge | marbalon: yeah, you are once again right |
| 12:48.55 | ginge | that would never have surfaced as the max sd clock is 20000000 |
| 12:49.36 | ginge | marbalon: this is the code that should be done with proc_comm anyways |
| 12:51.11 | marbalon | ginge: true |
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| 13:39.01 | ginge | I just tried switching the IRQ triggering from rising to falling on SD... interesting result. The driver is now slightly more responsive and crashes later in the boot process than before. Stil not convinced it is right. Maybe we should try rising and falling trigger |
| 13:42.39 | ginge | is there an easier way to do this other than try every possible VIC conbination? A way to dump the VIC would be super handy. pdump doesn't tell me much |
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| 15:09.39 | Marajin | ginge: very interesting indeed |
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| 15:22.51 | bjorn_ | Hello! |
| 15:22.59 | Marajin | Hi |
| 15:23.27 | bjorn_ | What is the current status of the msm7200/android? is it booting properly these days? |
| 15:23.49 | Marajin | it boots fine from initrd and from SD on some MSM models |
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| 15:25.28 | bjorn_ | cool |
| 15:25.37 | Marajin | which device specifically are you curious about? |
| 15:29.22 | miknix | hey BabelO |
| 15:29.44 | miknix | hey all |
| 15:45.09 | BabelO_ | ola miknix |
| 15:45.13 | BabelO_ | miknix: what s news |
| 15:47.14 | Marajin | bjorn_: What device are you specifically curious about? |
| 15:47.36 | miknix | BabelO, someone on the linwizard-dev mailing lists was able to get the GSM driver working after booting from EOL |
| 15:48.13 | BabelO_ | miknix: interesting, you use tornado standard gsm ? |
| 15:48.18 | miknix | yes |
| 15:48.22 | BabelO_ | miknix: or you change it a little ? |
| 15:48.40 | miknix | no, its tornado. the only change was the firmware load address AFAIK |
| 15:48.52 | BabelO_ | miknix: ah ? |
| 15:48.52 | ali1234 | nah the change was the firmware length |
| 15:49.02 | miknix | oh.. that |
| 15:49.23 | ali1234 | same address but 0x300000 bytes instead of 0x280000 |
| 15:49.24 | BabelO_ | ok, i have to check the artemis asm to see if all is ok |
| 15:49.41 | BabelO_ | and second part is to get a real char device |
| 15:49.47 | BabelO_ | not only write thing |
| 15:49.50 | miknix | BabelO, anyway.. he said the firmware persists between soft resets |
| 15:49.54 | BabelO_ | then we can get qtopia running |
| 15:50.09 | miknix | he said he has to remove the battery to flush the firmware |
| 15:50.53 | BabelO_ | miknix: you cannot read from the char device, right ? |
| 15:51.16 | miknix | yes, I can |
| 15:51.18 | ali1234 | miknix: that is me on the mailing list you know :) |
| 15:51.23 | BabelO_ | i see that it works like on msm device |
| 15:51.26 | BabelO_ | :) |
| 15:51.27 | miknix | ali1234, ??? LOL |
| 15:51.45 | BabelO_ | ali1234: you can read at command feedback over the char device ? |
| 15:51.49 | ali1234 | BabelO_: can read and write the device, but not simultaneously |
| 15:52.09 | ali1234 | have to echo -e "ATZ\r" then cat /dev/gsm |
| 15:52.28 | BabelO_ | ali1234: ok so cant you try command like at+cgmi? |
| 15:52.33 | BabelO_ | and look at the output ? |
| 15:52.35 | miknix | ali1234, AFAIK SPL does some hardware resetting |
| 15:52.37 | ali1234 | yes i can |
| 15:52.46 | ali1234 | the output is buffered in the fifo until running cat |
| 15:53.44 | BabelO_ | ali1234: yes i see this part in the code but cannot get it to work on my artemis |
| 15:53.45 | ali1234 | miknix: i'm sure it does some resetting, just not memory or SD controller :) |
| 15:54.19 | BabelO_ | miknix: you can esily add bluetooth support on wizard :) |
| 15:54.29 | BabelO_ | miknix: just look at my artemis code |
| 15:54.43 | miknix | BabelO, nice.. but I don't have any bt device here |
| 15:55.43 | miknix | ali1234, we should start looking at the EAC driver |
| 15:56.17 | ali1234 | EAC? |
| 15:56.23 | ali1234 | audio? |
| 15:56.25 | miknix | yes |
| 15:56.27 | BabelO_ | ali1234: Enhanced audio controller |
| 15:56.41 | BabelO_ | ali1234: but not sure sound come from that |
| 15:57.31 | miknix | BabelO, do you think its too hard to route the audio from the GSM? we only need that to ear the other peer during a call |
| 15:57.53 | BabelO_ | miknix: no, that part should be easy, i see the asm code |
| 15:58.02 | BabelO_ | miknix: we have to duplicate my spi driver |
| 15:58.11 | miknix | for syren? |
| 15:58.11 | BabelO_ | then rename it spi_syren |
| 15:58.14 | BabelO_ | and change some part |
| 15:58.31 | BabelO_ | miknix: then after that syren routing should be close |
| 15:58.46 | BabelO_ | have to submit the spi driver too :) |
| 15:58.47 | miknix | BabelO, syren is already implemented on the GSM driver AFAIK |
| 15:58.56 | miknix | lemmi have a look |
| 15:59.09 | BabelO_ | miknix: yes i see it, but anyway i need it to ask baterry status / level |
| 15:59.52 | miknix | BabelO, I added a sysfs interface to the GSM driver for allowing me to change the audio routing path from userspace |
| 16:00.12 | miknix | but the syren code was not working |
| 16:04.16 | bjorn_ | Marajin: TyTN II |
| 16:05.22 | Marajin | bjorn_: Ah the kaiser, well we have issues with the SD (dma errors) but android can be booted from initrd and er.. lesse.. GSM, GPRS, GPS, Screen backlight, RTC, Framebuffer and touchscreen work more or less |
| 16:14.03 | Marajin | in varying stages :p |
| 16:14.08 | bjorn_ | hehe |
| 16:14.18 | Marajin | but android's so unstable that it's pointless |
| 16:16.07 | miknix | s/unstable/slow/ |
| 16:16.20 | Marajin | it's not slow on the kaiser, it's just unstable |
| 16:16.41 | miknix | I saw some videos regarding the HTC dream |
| 16:17.12 | miknix | the UI takes some time to feedback the touch events |
| 16:17.32 | Marajin | it's virtually impossible to see what's happening in that video it's so blurry |
| 16:18.51 | BabelO_ | miknix: the syren code is ok for me if i look into asm, never tried it, maybe it is just like on Blueangel, a bad clock line setting |
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| 16:27.49 | Marajin | ginge: Having a bit of connection trouble? |
| 16:28.03 | ginge | apparently so |
| 16:28.15 | ginge | could be this 4.7GB DVD image I am downloading |
| 16:28.20 | Marajin | Phone 'em up and have 'em tweak your SNR |
| 16:28.28 | Marajin | my line can stay synced for weeks on end |
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| 16:33.05 | Marajin | ginge: Did they give you the 'bebox' modem/router? |
| 16:33.17 | ginge | yeah. reet pos |
| 16:33.30 | ginge | wireless locks up frequently |
| 16:33.32 | Marajin | They aren't ya know.. |
| 16:33.38 | Marajin | Oh you have the new one! |
| 16:33.44 | Marajin | does it have VoIP ports? |
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| 16:45.34 | Marajin | ginge: Does it have the telephone/voip ports? |
| 16:45.56 | ali1234 | BabelO_: where is your artemis code? |
| 16:46.06 | Marex | hi, is it possible to sniff sdio traffic using haret? |
| 16:49.17 | BabelO_ | ali1234: git.linuxtogo.org in the htc-omap branch |
| 16:49.17 | BabelO_ | hi Marex |
| 16:49.24 | BabelO_ | Marex: if it is DMA, no luck i think |
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| 17:02.15 | BabelO_ | ali1234: what do you want to do ? |
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| 17:09.36 | exco | python anyone? |
| 17:09.57 | tcccp | three! |
| 17:09.59 | tcccp | Ball pythons |
| 17:10.14 | exco | :-) |
| 17:10.51 | exco | is there anything wrong with this? |
| 17:10.51 | exco | if not l.endswith("ae301688\r\n"): |
| 17:10.51 | exco | continue |
| 17:10.51 | exco | l = l.split() |
| 17:11.18 | exco | the thing is if I set the breakpoint on l=l.split() - it never gets there |
| 17:15.00 | Marex | BabelO: damn :( thanks anyway |
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| 17:26.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | hello guys! what's the typical way of accessing gpios on expanders on newer kernels? i mean, if i register a pca953x in i2c_board_info and add pca953x_platform_data like on zylonite, how shall i control gpios? via gpio_set value? or sth else? |
| 17:33.17 | Marex | gpio_request, get/set_direction get/set_value _free |
| 17:33.29 | Marex | also there is sysfs interface in recent kernels |
| 17:34.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, sysfs won't be nice since that expander has keyboard pins and sd detect/ro (which is even worse, since it has one interrupt for all 16 pins) |
| 17:34.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | the worst thing is that i cannot use usb to debug that thing - usb pullup is on expander as well |
| 17:35.02 | Marex | gross :D |
| 17:35.49 | Marex | well see the functions above ... it's all gpiolib stuff |
| 17:36.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | that really causes lots of problems. for example, on wm6, when you turn on gsm, the driver locks the irq. and when you press a key, it hangs until gsm is ready.. dunno who got the idea of such design |
| 17:38.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, Marex, does your palm have 8831 or 8835 libertas? |
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| 17:45.09 | exco | pH5: ping |
| 17:45.21 | pH5 | exco: swoosh |
| 17:45.32 | exco | hello |
| 17:45.43 | pH5 | hi exco |
| 17:45.59 | exco | I just managed to reproduce your output (i2c tracing?) |
| 17:46.12 | ali1234 | exco: maybe your line endings are wrong |
| 17:46.28 | exco | yes, I just found that out |
| 17:46.39 | exco | always the same |
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| 17:49.01 | exco | anyways, I don't know if you already traced the ov9650 stuff, pH5, but those two Hex' are wrong (beautify): 0x1D: "MIDL", #added 0x8B: "COM21", #changed from GST(15) |
| 17:52.29 | pH5 | exco: thanks |
| 17:53.58 | exco | now you need traces of all different camera actions (start, different settings,...)? |
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| 17:54.45 | pH5 | I didn't trace any ov96 stuff yet, but yes, I think traces of image snaps at different resolutions, settings etc. would be interesting to get an overview |
| 17:56.04 | exco | I'll start that and put it somewhere documented with the exact settings & action |
| 17:57.03 | exco | I've read that the same chip is used in Motorola A780 |
| 17:57.03 | exco | HTC Alpine |
| 17:57.03 | exco | HTC Sable |
| 17:57.03 | exco | HTC Universal |
| 17:57.03 | exco | HTC Wizard |
| 17:57.17 | pH5 | exco: that would be great. |
| 17:57.33 | exco | but I don't know of anybody working on it atm |
| 17:59.11 | exco | pH5: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress says OV9650 driver is available in kernel 2.616 for Motorola A780 |
| 18:02.12 | Marex | Alex[sp3dev]: palmLD 8305/palmTX 8381 |
| 18:03.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | could you upload 8381 fw tomorrow? |
| 18:03.58 | exco | pH5: have yuo http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.embedded.ezx.general/435 |
| 18:04.07 | Marex | Alex[sp3dev]: no |
| 18:04.11 | exco | sh... have you seen ... that's what I wanted to say |
| 18:04.39 | exco | do those gpl'ed drivers help us / spare the tracing? |
| 18:05.58 | BabelO | ali1234: around ? |
| 18:06.01 | ali1234 | BabelO: sorry... where is your artemis bluetooth code? |
| 18:06.29 | BabelO | Marex: for sdio trave you can give a try with addlist TRACES 0xxxxxx |
| 18:06.53 | Marex | BabelO: I might take a look |
| 18:07.11 | Marex | thanks |
| 18:07.19 | ali1234 | exco: are you talking about the camera chip? |
| 18:07.35 | pH5 | exco: I've only ever seen the 2.4 ov9650 drivers, and they were useless to me. I think it'll be better to look at the mt9* drivers in mainline for inspiration. |
| 18:08.05 | BabelO | Marex: TRACES works well on ring buffer, i use it to traces omap850 spi register |
| 18:08.50 | BabelO | ali1234: all is here http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/mach-omap1/htcartemis;h=390a1f91aa361aa8c21b06a9b410848876fe06b7;hb=htc-omap |
| 18:09.10 | ali1234 | cheers |
| 18:09.35 | ali1234 | BabelO: btw have you checked that your gsm firmware is actually in the same place? |
| 18:09.49 | BabelO | ali1234: bt code is easy, you have to check with your haret on wizard, just activate serial port like i do in artemis.c |
| 18:10.01 | exco | ali1234: yes, camera chip (I can't tell you much more though :-) ) |
| 18:10.05 | BabelO | ali1234: no, i just come back from office, trying right now |
| 18:10.40 | ali1234 | do you have the firmwares?/know what they are supposed to look like? |
| 18:11.45 | BabelO | ali1234: i ve not extracted firmware for artemis, but i boot from wince to test |
| 18:11.59 | ali1234 | ok, and you say "noload=1 noreset=1" |
| 18:12.06 | BabelO | ali1234: yes |
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| 18:12.13 | BabelO | ali1234: but it does not works |
| 18:12.24 | herriojr | hi all |
| 18:12.29 | BabelO | so ... i don't know where is the problem, maybe i ve different adress |
| 18:12.36 | ali1234 | BabelO: "model=tornado" ? |
| 18:12.37 | BabelO | hello herriojr |
| 18:12.40 | BabelO | ali1234: yes |
| 18:12.57 | ali1234 | BabelO: tried "model=typhoon"? |
| 18:13.05 | BabelO | also :( |
| 18:13.26 | BabelO | ali1234: anyway i ve the asm and the copy part, so i can check fifo adress and firmware too |
| 18:13.45 | BabelO | ali1234: can you compare your gsm code, with the one in git ? |
| 18:13.51 | ali1234 | BabelO: i dont know what you mean by "asm and copy part" |
| 18:14.20 | BabelO | ali1234: i ve a disassembly of wince kernel and i see gsm part |
| 18:14.44 | ali1234 | the GSM code i have is the one made by revertive in linwizard-kernel, it's identical to tornado |
| 18:15.02 | ali1234 | the only thing i changed is reenable the parameters and the code length |
| 18:15.18 | ali1234 | but neither of those should matter if you arn't loading the firmware |
| 18:15.36 | BabelO | yes agree |
| 18:15.38 | ali1234 | anyhow... you need to warm boot linux with haret, and then look through memory for the gsm firmwares |
| 18:15.59 | ali1234 | i'm guessing it's just mapped differently, notice you can map whatever pages you want to the DSP using the MMU |
| 18:16.46 | BabelO | ali1234: yes, i already saw that with spi syren there is a notion of page too, don't know if sound issue is from that |
| 18:17.01 | ali1234 | i have a small tool you can use to dump whole sections of memory and pipe to hexdump -C |
| 18:17.23 | ali1234 | look for something like this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TyphoonGsmDataLayout |
| 18:17.24 | BabelO | ali1234: linux part ? |
| 18:17.47 | ali1234 | linux part? it's just a tool that access /dev/mem |
| 18:19.17 | ali1234 | BabelO: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/wizard/devmem3.c |
| 18:19.37 | ali1234 | use it like: devmem3 0x13f10000 0x4000 |
| 18:19.45 | ali1234 | on wizard, that would dump the gsmdata.bin |
| 18:19.57 | BabelO | ali1234: i have already this tool :) devmem2 |
| 18:20.04 | ali1234 | nah devmem3 is different |
| 18:20.18 | exco | pH5: can you make use of the data like this http://pastebin.com/d73025adf (or do you want it any different?) |
| 18:20.23 | BabelO | ali1234: but i prefer to look at assembler code first, more easy to find the adress |
| 18:20.24 | ali1234 | it dumps a block of memory rather than just one word |
| 18:21.53 | ali1234 | if you want to disassemble something, i suggest SPL. it has a console command "kadc" which loads the firmwares and gives you direct access to AT commands, without booting windows |
| 18:24.40 | BabelO | ali1234: already disassembled since a while, i use that to do the spi driver, bt driver, gps driver, lcd init, and other stuff |
| 18:26.16 | ali1234 | you wrote a diskonchip G3 driver too? |
| 18:29.38 | BabelO | ali1234: no i just take the tornado code, to see if it works, but cant get it working on blueangel or artemis :( there is some offset in register |
| 18:29.54 | BabelO | ali1234: it seem chipset version of g3 are not same |
| 18:29.59 | ali1234 | didnt know the tornado had a DoC driver... |
| 18:30.14 | ali1234 | maybe you have a G4? |
| 18:30.47 | BabelO | ali1234: cr2 take a look and there is many g4 and g3 type :( |
| 18:31.07 | ali1234 | hmm.... |
| 18:31.22 | BabelO | ali1234: ok, my gsm code is not at same place than the tornado or wizard, i see it in assembler, checking with haret know :) |
| 18:32.04 | BabelO | ali1234: humm wrong |
| 18:32.23 | ali1234 | i bet that if you dump the code and then load it using the tornado driver, it will work, since it will be relocated |
| 18:32.24 | BabelO | ali1234: i have same 0x13F10000 and length seem to be 0x4000 too |
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| 18:33.01 | ali1234 | that's only part of it though - thats the gsmdata.bin, it holds device unique things like IMEI and WLAN MAC |
| 18:33.54 | BabelO | ali1234: and code is at same place too |
| 18:34.00 | ali1234 | and i think it is loaded by SPL because wizard seems to have it even after cold boot (with battery removed before) |
| 18:34.13 | BabelO | ali1234: yes it is spl |
| 18:34.38 | BabelO | i ve the assembly, and there is the function to copy data and code |
| 18:34.56 | ali1234 | ok - but code is not copied by SPL normally, right? |
| 18:36.29 | ali1234 | hmm... silly question but how are you testing the GSM device? |
| 18:37.01 | BabelO | ali1234: i boot from haret and create the char device then load the module |
| 18:38.23 | ali1234 | but how do you send commands to it? |
| 18:38.34 | ali1234 | like on this page: http://vivien.chappelier.free.fr/typhoon/gsm.html ? |
| 18:38.45 | BabelO | ali1234: yes |
| 18:39.01 | BabelO | ali1234: better is to try with my qtopia image if you have time :) |
| 18:39.30 | ali1234 | i was going to try that out the other day actually |
| 18:39.57 | BabelO | ali1234: yes, you have just to use the bz2 :) |
| 18:40.00 | ginge | what was that link to one of the two acx100 trees? |
| 18:40.07 | BabelO | and change the cou detection |
| 18:40.27 | ali1234 | cou? |
| 18:41.03 | ginge | its like a coup but the p is super silent |
| 18:41.07 | Marajin | ginge: Still having trouble with the connection? |
| 18:41.20 | ginge | Marajin: at home now, so should be ok |
| 18:41.47 | Marajin | ginge: Ah right, I thought your home connection was pigging about :P |
| 18:41.49 | ginge | Marajin: the connection at work has a load balancing thing on it. it always disconnects persistant connection when it changes lines |
| 18:42.13 | Marajin | Gotcha |
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| 18:42.48 | ginge | Marajin: what were you saying about my bebox? is it good then? the menus and setup make me think its extra poo |
| 18:43.13 | Marajin | ginge: Does it have the VOIP ports? |
| 18:43.19 | ginge | yeah |
| 18:43.33 | Marajin | ginge: It's a thompson 780, if you telnet intoit you can do just about anything |
| 18:43.42 | ginge | oooo nice :) |
| 18:44.03 | Marajin | you'll have to find out the superuser password for the bebox though, the o2box I know (Same box, different badge) |
| 18:44.09 | ali1234 | does it have a serial port for when you brick it? |
| 18:44.15 | ginge | lol |
| 18:44.19 | ginge | you can jtag it for me :) |
| 18:44.31 | Marajin | you can't put wossname on it openwrt |
| 18:44.36 | Marajin | so |
| 18:44.39 | ginge | it sucks |
| 18:44.44 | BabelO | ali1234: sorry, my keyboard is broken since the cat take it as a bed :) |
| 18:44.44 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:44.45 | Marajin | yeah |
| 18:44.49 | Marajin | but it's pretty powerful |
| 18:45.06 | Marajin | they just uberly dumb down the menu/web admin because it's for tardmuffins |
| 18:45.09 | BabelO | ali1234: i mean change the cpuinfo detection in init.d/qpe script |
| 18:45.35 | ginge | Marajin: but its not even easy to use |
| 18:45.36 | Marajin | You can even do some pretty tolerable internal DNS and whatnot on it |
| 18:45.43 | ginge | Marajin: it makes linksys routers look special |
| 18:45.47 | Marajin | ginge: Yeah no kidding, it's really unintuitive |
| 18:46.31 | pH5 | exco: that's a good first step, next steps would be one easy and one a bit time consuming. |
| 18:46.32 | Marajin | TBH the telnet menu is a bit boggling but that's just the sheer amount of configuration it offers |
| 18:46.32 | ali1234 | BabelO: right, ok |
| 18:46.51 | pH5 | firstly, it would be great if you could to separate redundant data from the registers that are actually changing (for example the GSP/GST gamma curves seem to be same each time) |
| 18:46.52 | ginge | Marajin: as long as it does port forwarding, I don't care :) |
| 18:46.54 | BabelO | ali1234: tell me for BT, ir should be same |
| 18:47.05 | Marajin | er it does, you do't have that in the webadmin! |
| 18:47.06 | Marajin | ?! |
| 18:47.34 | ginge | Marajin: it should be. |
| 18:47.46 | Marajin | It calls it something dumb though in the o2 one.. "Game & Application Sharing" |
| 18:47.48 | ali1234 | BabelO: but the wizard kernel doesn't support bt/ir... should i use your kernel? |
| 18:47.53 | ginge | yeah, can see that |
| 18:48.01 | Marajin | that's your port forwarding |
| 18:48.13 | pH5 | the second one would be reversing from the plain register writes to the actual parameters where they are split across several registers. |
| 18:48.40 | ginge | Marajin: dumb |
| 18:48.42 | BabelO | ali1234: you have to do some change and activate modules, git kernel tree works well for wizard , miknix keep it up to date |
| 18:48.44 | pH5 | that probably should be done by the python script |
| 18:48.47 | Marajin | you have tcp/upd forwarding with port ranges and trigger ports or should have |
| 18:49.04 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, all setup now. I only wanted ssh :) |
| 18:50.29 | Marajin | well telnet to it and see if it identifies itself as a thompson router.. just to make sure it reallyis the same box |
| 18:50.31 | ginge | anyhoo, back to writing the bluetooth hci driver |
| 18:50.58 | ginge | u/p? |
| 18:51.44 | ginge | Marajin: might be the same u p as yours |
| 18:51.58 | Marajin | doubt it |
| 18:52.04 | Marajin | I got SuperUser/O2Br0ad64nd |
| 18:52.06 | Marajin | so |
| 18:52.14 | Marajin | I'll find yours, hang on |
| 18:52.15 | ginge | oh |
| 18:54.13 | ginge | got it |
| 18:54.16 | ginge | hmm |
| 18:54.17 | ginge | Thomson TG585 v7 |
| 18:54.20 | Marajin | hmm |
| 18:54.31 | Marajin | Oh that's the new one |
| 18:54.39 | ginge | brb gonna look at the box |
| 18:54.41 | Marajin | http://www.dontbethere.co.uk/showthread.php?s=edd33225adbd5780d9db932be8fdc52e&t=9934 |
| 18:54.57 | Marajin | ginge: You can see a run down of the types of box there |
| 18:55.02 | ginge | ok |
| 18:57.00 | Marajin | I have the 780WL which is pretty powerful |
| 18:57.16 | exco | ph5 I start collecting huge amounts of data (changing one setting at a time) and than I'll try to separate and reverse later (keeping the original data if you want to doublecheck) |
| 18:58.21 | Marajin | ginge: Phone 'em and ask if you can have the older router? I dunno if you'd get away with it tho' |
| 18:58.26 | pH5 | exco: yay, that will be certainly helping a lot. |
| 18:59.33 | ginge | Marajin: I dont really care all that much |
| 18:59.40 | Marajin | you should |
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| 18:59.45 | ginge | why? |
| 18:59.46 | Marajin | that box is shite |
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| 19:00.00 | ginge | meh. |
| 19:00.14 | Marajin | last time I spoke to O2 support they were really keen to fix my current one because the new one is so bad and they know it |
| 19:00.30 | ginge | bad how? slow downloads? |
| 19:00.44 | Marajin | it's terrible at routing apparently |
| 19:00.55 | Marajin | If you have multiple systems you get issues yeah |
| 19:01.04 | ginge | hmm |
| 19:01.12 | Marajin | and it's not good at holding its connection/sync compared to others |
| 19:01.35 | ginge | I might just bridge itto an ipcop then |
| 19:01.37 | Marajin | the chipset in it is frankly rather basic and cheap |
| 19:03.40 | ginge | bootlinux |
| 19:03.47 | ginge | oops |
| 19:03.54 | Marajin | wrong window ;) |
| 19:04.12 | ginge | it was a recommendation to the unconverted masses :) |
| 19:04.16 | Marajin | Pity the insisted I send my other 780 back really :P |
| 19:06.34 | ginge | ok, gonna test my sd-dma fix I had some inspiration about in a dream... |
| 19:06.41 | Marajin | .. |
| 19:06.49 | Marajin | yeah you know you're a geek when you dream in C ;) |
| 19:07.09 | ginge | heh. and people never believe me when I say I dream code :) |
| 19:07.36 | ginge | ! |
| 19:07.40 | ginge | !! |
| 19:07.43 | ginge | :( |
| 19:07.50 | Marajin | Bah they're fools :P |
| 19:07.52 | ginge | it booted all the way into android |
| 19:07.56 | ginge | and then locked |
| 19:07.58 | Marajin | :D |
| 19:08.05 | Marajin | are you sure it wasn't android that died? |
| 19:08.15 | ginge | trying again now |
| 19:08.50 | Marajin | problem is, Android is so buggered up you can't be sure /what/ died there can yu? |
| 19:08.59 | ginge | yeah. I hate the damn thing. |
| 19:09.12 | ginge | its the only thing I know breaks every time on sd boot tho |
| 19:10.12 | ginge | better but still broken |
| 19:10.20 | ginge | clearly I need more sleep ; |
| 19:11.57 | ali1234 | BabelO: i'm getting "Angstrom" boot screen, is that right? |
| 19:12.15 | Marajin | ginge: Liiies! |
| 19:12.27 | BabelO | ali1234: yes well, do you change the qpe script ? |
| 19:12.37 | Marajin | ali1234: Yeah you will for a while then it'll go away, take psplash stuff out of rc if youw ant rit |
| 19:12.41 | Marajin | *want rid |
| 19:13.24 | ali1234 | BabelO: yes. it says "starting qtopia on htc wizard" then it says "error 38 function not implemented" "cannot get display lock" |
| 19:13.32 | ali1234 | it says that over and over in a loop |
| 19:13.50 | BabelO | ali1234: ah... then your kernel miss something |
| 19:16.37 | BabelO | ali1234: can you check with my artemis defconfig file ? |
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| 19:16.54 | ali1234 | BabelO: how? |
| 19:17.45 | BabelO | ali1234: look into git arch/arm/configs |
| 19:17.53 | BabelO | and compare it to your .config |
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| 19:18.43 | herriojr | hey, does anyone know what version of HardSPL I should install for Dutty's Diamond v1.5? |
| 19:19.08 | Marajin | herriojr: latest is always a good bet |
| 19:19.47 | herriojr | it doesn't seem to install |
| 19:20.01 | Marajin | what, the diamond rom or the hardspl? |
| 19:20.22 | ginge | Marajin: what did I miss http://pastebin.com/mec9787b |
| 19:20.23 | herriojr | I read to install hardspl first before diamond rom |
| 19:20.30 | herriojr | but hardspl I can't get installed |
| 19:20.37 | Marajin | herriojr: what happens? |
| 19:20.50 | herriojr | it starts spinning, then loses connection and fails |
| 19:21.08 | herriojr | this is what I'm trying to follow: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400402 |
| 19:21.09 | ali1234 | BabelO: my config is htcwizard_defconfig |
| 19:22.52 | BabelO | ali1234: so kompare :) |
| 19:23.00 | herriojr | I don't even get to the black screen |
| 19:23.22 | ali1234 | BabelO: i dont see any htcartemis_defconfig in the git repo i just cloned |
| 19:24.46 | BabelO | ali1234: you are not on the correct branch i think http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=tree;f=arch/arm/configs;h=0fd5418e2cda5368b9a5e91f0b799f7f056d7874;hb=htc-omap |
| 19:24.48 | BabelO | it is there |
| 19:25.10 | Marajin | herriojr: "starts spinning"? |
| 19:25.59 | herriojr | when windows mobile starts an application, the round spinning windows logo starts |
| 19:26.07 | herriojr | it does that and then freezes |
| 19:27.13 | ali1234 | BabelO: how do i switch to htc-omap branch? i tried to 'git checkout -b my-htc-omap htc-omap' but it did not work |
| 19:27.32 | Marajin | herriojr: YOu mean activesync? |
| 19:27.34 | Marajin | ohh |
| 19:27.40 | BabelO | ali1234: i m not a git expert :) |
| 19:27.42 | Marajin | you mean the WM loading/busy spinning 4 colour thing? |
| 19:27.55 | ali1234 | damn, why did they have to make git so hard to use? |
| 19:28.05 | ginge | ali1234: try origin/htc-omap |
| 19:28.06 | BabelO | ali1234: but try git branch to see where you are |
| 19:28.14 | ali1234 | git branch = master |
| 19:28.33 | herriojr | should I take a picture and send it to you? |
| 19:28.39 | Marajin | no I get what you mean |
| 19:28.41 | ali1234 | ginge: thanks |
| 19:28.48 | Marajin | herriojr: So this is when you try to run jumpspl? |
| 19:29.17 | herriojr | there is no jumpspl, it's called RomUpdateUtility.exe |
| 19:29.47 | Marajin | that's for flashing a rom |
| 19:29.52 | ali1234 | BabelO: ok. the diff runs to 500 lines. any idea where to start? |
| 19:30.06 | herriojr | ok, I guess they mislabeled what they were talking about hten |
| 19:30.31 | herriojr | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400402 |
| 19:30.34 | Marajin | well it's for flashing anyting, but you have to load SSPL before you can flash it |
| 19:30.37 | herriojr | is that post about flashing a rom or spl? |
| 19:30.58 | herriojr | *sigh* I wish their directions would be more clear |
| 19:31.03 | ali1234 | actually with my .config the diff is 741 lines |
| 19:31.08 | Marajin | oh it's a diamond |
| 19:31.38 | herriojr | the phone I have is a kaiser, but everyone told me to use the diamond stuff |
| 19:32.14 | Marajin | herriojr: Heh, no that's your problem right there. |
| 19:32.29 | herriojr | *sigh* |
| 19:32.29 | ali1234 | BabelO: it's not even the same kernel version :( |
| 19:32.33 | Marajin | herriojr: What they mean is the diamond based roms for the kaiser, you're in the wrong forum for stuff |
| 19:32.39 | herriojr | ok' |
| 19:33.02 | BabelO | ali1234: yes, but version are close |
| 19:33.19 | Marajin | herriojr: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=378 |
| 19:33.27 | Marajin | herriojr: You must use roms from that forum |
| 19:34.32 | herriojr | do you have a recommended spl? And can I install Dutty's Diamond V1.5 rom on the kaiser? |
| 19:35.03 | Marajin | 3.29 or 3.56 work well as far as I remember, and I really doubt it |
| 19:35.14 | Marajin | try the Laurentius26 roms |
| 19:35.23 | ali1234 | BabelO: i may as well just start from scratch with your kernel tree |
| 19:35.26 | Marajin | Duty hasn't released a kaiser rom in a while |
| 19:36.30 | herriojr | I was told haret works perfectly with Dutty's roms |
| 19:36.39 | herriojr | ok, I'll find the Laurentius26 ones |
| 19:36.59 | Marajin | well there's a Dutty one but it's not perfect, haret tends to boot quite well though yeah |
| 19:37.05 | Marajin | but it works fine on L26 roms too |
| 19:39.01 | ali1234 | BabelO: what's the default IP of your image? |
| 19:39.27 | BabelO | ali1234: 192.168.0.202 on device |
| 19:39.29 | herriojr | thanks Marajin, that's the most straightforward response I've gotten on this :) |
| 19:39.43 | ali1234 | BabelO: nice, it clashes with my network :( |
| 19:39.48 | BabelO | ali1234: but you need to edit /etc/network/interface to add auto usb0 |
| 19:39.56 | BabelO | ali1234: not possible :) |
| 19:39.57 | Marajin | herriojr: No worries =) The more people we can get ready and able to boot via haret the better =) |
| 19:40.34 | ali1234 | BabelO: it's plugged into a headless box with ip 192.168.0.5 |
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| 19:41.30 | ali1234 | BabelO: the backlight has switched off and will not switch on again |
| 19:43.20 | BabelO | ali1234: route add 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:43.30 | BabelO | ali1234: route add 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.5 |
| 19:43.33 | BabelO | sorry :) |
| 19:43.47 | BabelO | cheat ! |
| 19:44.01 | ali1234 | since i have to mess around with the interfaces anyway, i'll just change it to something that does not clash :) |
| 19:44.01 | BabelO | ali1234: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 && route add 192.168.0.202 gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:44.04 | BabelO | on your host |
| 19:44.15 | herriojr | I hate it when they say to copy files but don't provide them |
| 19:44.16 | ali1234 | on my host usb0 automatically comes up as 10.100.0.2 |
| 19:44.27 | Marajin | herriojr: What's up? |
| 19:44.42 | herriojr | they say to copy the jumpspl file, but they don't provide it or even a link to it |
| 19:47.03 | Marajin | ah, hmm I may have azip with the needed files somewhere |
| 19:47.25 | ali1234 | BabelO: the missing functions are shmat and shmget |
| 19:48.17 | BabelO | ali1234: so you miss shm support in your kernel build |
| 19:48.59 | Marajin | herriojr: http://marajin.w-ww.org/kaiser-SPL.rar |
| 19:49.08 | Marajin | herriojr: It has two versions of jumpspl for the kaiser |
| 19:49.48 | herriojr | ok thanks |
| 19:50.08 | Marajin | herriojr: As I remember you should try using the 1.5 one first, and if it won't work tr the 1.9 |
| 19:53.45 | ali1234 | hmm somebody turned off SYSVIPC support in the wizard kernel :( |
| 19:54.30 | OpnSrc1 | hi ginge |
| 19:54.44 | OpnSrc1 | how are you doing? |
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| 20:07.35 | BabelO | ali1234: any news ? :) |
| 20:12.16 | ali1234 | i just finished recompiling the kernel |
| 20:14.18 | herriojr | ok, I have spl installed, now I just need to let my battery charge to install the rom :) |
| 20:14.42 | herriojr | after that, I'll test out getting applications installed without having to worry that haret is failing |
| 20:14.51 | herriojr | *haret failing |
| 20:15.07 | herriojr | then we can package a bunch of applications into android |
| 20:15.32 | herriojr | btw, did the sd card problem get fixed? |
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| 20:22.13 | ali1234 | BabelO: now it says "segmentation faulttslib installation!) failed with er" |
| 20:22.56 | BabelO | ali1234: this error is strange ... |
| 20:23.17 | BabelO | ali1234: this image works well from guy at xda-dev :) and me too |
| 20:23.28 | BabelO | ali1234: but i got this error message with latest kernel |
| 20:23.30 | BabelO | let me check |
| 20:23.40 | ali1234 | BabelO: what's the root password? |
| 20:23.53 | BabelO | no passwor |
| 20:23.54 | ali1234 | oh never mind |
| 20:24.47 | ali1234 | i deleted /etc/pointercal btw |
| 20:24.56 | ali1234 | because i would need to reconfigure it anyway |
| 20:25.59 | ali1234 | ah the error is overwriting itself, its saying "Please check your tslib installation" |
| 20:28.29 | ali1234 | http://rafb.net/p/7PBveV42.html |
| 20:30.04 | ali1234 | BabelO: this image lacks /sbin/hotplug or mdev replacement, so it's incapable of loading the gsm firmwares! |
| 20:35.19 | ali1234 | BabelO: fixed it, it was using the wrong event devices for wizard |
| 20:36.01 | ali1234 | ok now it has loaded up, but i cant see anything because the backlight turned off |
| 20:36.16 | ali1234 | i can just about see some shapes |
| 20:36.28 | ali1234 | if i got get a torch and shine it on the screen.. hang on |
| 20:36.59 | ali1234 | "no modem" - well duh, i already knew that :) |
| 20:37.41 | ali1234 | the touchscreen and keyboard dont work |
| 20:38.02 | ali1234 | but the red/green buttons do |
| 20:40.41 | ali1234 | ah there we go, got the backlight to turn on |
| 20:41.59 | BabelO | ali1234: ok, baclight because normal time is short |
| 20:42.14 | BabelO | no touchscreen because you remove pointercal |
| 20:43.12 | ali1234 | backlight doesnt work right becuase it's trying to change /sys/class/backlight/generic-bl and my backlight is under /sys/class/backlight/htc-i2c-cpld-bl/ |
| 20:45.03 | BabelO | ali oh ok |
| 20:45.30 | ali1234 | well... what about what we were trying in the first place? gsm? |
| 20:45.38 | ali1234 | i guess i could warm boot it |
| 20:45.49 | BabelO | ali1234: does ts works ? |
| 20:45.53 | ali1234 | no |
| 20:46.04 | ali1234 | it might do if it was calibrated |
| 20:46.47 | BabelO | ali1234: copy a pointercal or keep mine |
| 20:46.51 | ali1234 | hmm wait i can copy the calibration file from |
| 20:46.52 | BabelO | ali1234: it should work too |
| 20:47.08 | ali1234 | ok |
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| 20:49.34 | BabelO | ali1234: then edit the qpe script and look at blueangel |
| 20:49.34 | miknix | ali1234, the i2c driver isnt on linuxtogo tree |
| 20:49.35 | BabelO | ali1234: but it gsm driver is not a ttySX like... so i don't think it works |
| 20:49.37 | ali1234 | i have fixed the qpe script already :) |
| 20:49.58 | ali1234 | except the modem stuff |
| 20:50.25 | miknix | ali1234, touchscreen driver is not being registered by the wizard board either on the linuxtogo tree |
| 20:51.01 | ali1234 | im not using the linuxtogo tree, i'm using the silven repo |
| 20:51.07 | miknix | oh.. ok |
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| 20:52.42 | exco | pH5: beautify does deserve its name (~250000 ->~8000 lines) |
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| 20:58.07 | exco | if you want to have a go with it ... http://pastebin.com/m479cb61e ... I'll probably find some time for improving the python script in a few days |
| 21:02.55 | ali1234 | hey the ts works now :) |
| 21:04.10 | BabelO | ali1234: good |
| 21:04.30 | ali1234 | but now usb networking has stopped working so i cant log in to turn on the backlight |
| 21:04.34 | BabelO | my works again, was trying ads7846 yestirday, and i forgot i change it |
| 21:06.29 | herriojr | awesome, everything is working 100 times better now |
| 21:08.06 | herriojr | ok, brb |
| 21:08.15 | ali1234 | well... it seems like usb networking does not work unless you establish the connection before starting qpe |
| 21:09.21 | ali1234 | nope |
| 21:09.24 | ali1234 | it's just plain broken |
| 21:09.54 | BabelO | ali1234: usb networking works |
| 21:10.01 | ali1234 | it worked once |
| 21:10.06 | ali1234 | now it doesnt |
| 21:10.10 | BabelO | ali1234: but once you start qpe, it use qtopia network configure |
| 21:10.18 | ali1234 | NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 21:10.20 | BabelO | ali1234: so you have to go to settings |
| 21:10.22 | ali1234 | on my host machine |
| 21:10.26 | ali1234 | before qtopia started |
| 21:10.30 | BabelO | ali1234: and change the usb config |
| 21:10.46 | BabelO | ali1234: you read my lines ? |
| 21:10.58 | ali1234 | i'll try it but it's hard to do anything when the backlight is off |
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| 21:12.49 | dcordes | hi all |
| 21:13.01 | Marajin | Oh no! it's dcordes! |
| 21:13.39 | dcordes | pH5: hi |
| 21:14.13 | BabelO | ali1234: maybe you have to recompile qtopia, then you can customize your backlight too |
| 21:14.13 | ali1234 | BabelO: where are the network settings? |
| 21:14.19 | BabelO | ali1234: or ask patoche |
| 21:14.32 | BabelO | ali1234: menu->settings->internet |
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| 21:14.57 | ali1234 | it just says "ethernet: offline" and will not let me change anything |
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| 21:15.22 | BabelO | ali1234: or simple go to /home/root/Settings/Network/usb0 |
| 21:15.32 | chab7 | hi |
| 21:15.34 | BabelO | ali1234: then you can customize it without interface |
| 21:15.42 | BabelO | hi chab7 |
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| 21:16.14 | miknix | BabelO, does qtopia run nice on artemis? |
| 21:16.37 | dcordes | Marajin: did I miss something groundbreaking? |
| 21:16.38 | BabelO | miknix: yes very well and fast, i run the gps app without problem |
| 21:16.50 | BabelO | miknix: patcohe run it on wizard, and it was fast too |
| 21:17.26 | miknix | BabelO, I was working on GPE, it was fast as well.. but I think I can improve it by building a icon cache file |
| 21:18.12 | BabelO | miknix: i prefer qtopia with qt c++ framework to build my own app , and the phone part |
| 21:18.27 | miknix | BabelO, running strace on GPE apps I see them trying to find icons on a lot of places, that might slowdown things a bit |
| 21:18.40 | miknix | I more a gtk+ devel :p |
| 21:18.44 | BabelO | miknix: yes same on qtopia |
| 21:19.41 | Marajin | dcordes: Um... no |
| 21:19.54 | Marajin | dcordes: Well actually kinda. |
| 21:20.07 | ali1234 | BabelO: i changed the /home/root/Settings/Network/usb0 but usb networking still does not work |
| 21:20.12 | Marajin | dcordes: ginge had it boot into android from SD but it froze immediately after, I dunno if he worked out anything more from that |
| 21:20.40 | dcordes | I had the same behaviour in the android rootfs on sd with the kernel he precompiled. |
| 21:20.41 | ginge | ate |
| 21:20.47 | Marajin | heh |
| 21:20.50 | BabelO | ali1234: then remove the Settings directory |
| 21:20.59 | BabelO | ali1234: and app too |
| 21:22.49 | ali1234 | BabelO: I'll just disable automatic loading of qpe |
| 21:23.04 | ginge | do any other HTC devices use hci for bluetooth |
| 21:24.16 | BabelO | ginge: all htc devices :) |
| 21:24.29 | Marajin | dcordes: Oh just for note: http://w-ww.org/~kaiser/images/htckaiser/ |
| 21:24.39 | Marajin | dcordes: I did builds over the last coupla days of most of the images that seem relevant |
| 21:24.40 | BabelO | ginge: blueangel, universal, artemis, magician |
| 21:24.50 | ginge | BabelO: do any work :) |
| 21:25.47 | BabelO | ali1234: still no luck with gsm :( |
| 21:26.10 | ali1234 | who knows, i cant get this image to work properly |
| 21:26.33 | ali1234 | and besides it lacks a firmware loader |
| 21:27.02 | BabelO | ali1234: ? you need the backlight stuff, for firmware, just do apt update then get the package |
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| 21:28.05 | ali1234 | backlight is the least of my worries, i can no longer ssh in because usb networking has stopped working |
| 21:29.18 | BabelO | ali1234: i use this image since month on blueangel and artemis without problem |
| 21:30.12 | ali1234 | on host pc i get "no route to host" and in the dmesg i get [16637.793069] NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 21:31.00 | BabelO | ali1234: do you add the auto usb0 like i say before ? |
| 21:31.06 | ali1234 | yes |
| 21:31.25 | ali1234 | like i said, i had it working before and i have not changed anything except 2 lines in /etc/init.d/qpe |
| 21:31.42 | ali1234 | and now i have removed qpe from /etc/init.d so it is not even running |
| 21:33.32 | ali1234 | i will reboot the host pc maybe it is acting up |
| 21:34.11 | ali1234 | oh yeah... mdev, needed to load the firmware is part of busybox... but it's not included in the busybox in your image |
| 21:35.25 | herriojr | ok, so I can't seem to get apps installed on android running on the kaiser...I'm going to see if the #android channel has any ideas |
| 21:36.05 | BabelO | ali1234: try with apt once you get networking, my image is OE image |
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| 21:37.28 | herriojr | is anyone here able to use android to make a connection via the browser? |
| 21:37.34 | herriojr | it doesn't seem to recognize a connection for me |
| 21:38.24 | ali1234 | rebooting didnt help |
| 21:39.15 | ali1234 | maybe the usb cable is loose |
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| 21:40.14 | ali1234 | nope |
| 21:41.58 | BabelO | good night |
| 21:42.29 | ali1234 | night |
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| 21:53.06 | Marajin | dcordes: So, how're things with you anyway man? |
| 22:01.06 | herriojr | ok, I can install applications now |
| 22:01.16 | herriojr | what applications would we want to include in the android build? |
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| 22:15.25 | Marajin | ginge: you're definitely having a few timeouts there |
| 22:15.57 | ginge | laptop goes into suspend when I close the lid, but kde4 has no pm options yet. I can't be arsed to fix it :) |
| 22:16.09 | Marajin | Stop using KDE4? |
| 22:16.14 | Marajin | for tis dodgy :P |
| 22:16.23 | ali1234 | KDE suuuuuuuuuuuuuux |
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| 22:16.28 | ginge | /runs |
| 22:16.31 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 22:16.32 | ginge | lol |
| 22:16.51 | ginge | kde4 is fine :) no problems here (maybe 1 or 2) |
| 22:16.53 | Marajin | kde doesn't suck, 4 is buggy and unreliable and whatnot still though |
| 22:17.07 | Marajin | It doen't render right half the time on my laptop |
| 22:17.16 | ginge | its 1000000% better than the first release |
| 22:17.50 | Marajin | KDE1? heh |
| 22:17.59 | Marajin | I don't remember 1..I remember 2 |
| 22:18.00 | ginge | hrm |
| 22:18.16 | ginge | yeah I remember 2 and above I used fvwm :) |
| 22:18.25 | Marajin | :P |
| 22:18.41 | Marajin | Iused 2 briefly, I didn't really start using it regularily til about 3.2 |
| 22:18.56 | Marajin | I quite like 3.4 |
| 22:19.15 | ginge | personally I think they all suck :) |
| 22:21.41 | Marajin | hums "every OS sucks" |
| 22:21.49 | Marajin | but some suck less than the rest basically yeah :P |
| 22:22.38 | ginge | yeah. computers just dont work like I would like them. Thing is noone else uses a computer like I do :/ |
| 22:24.03 | Marajin | Believe me, they do but computers just don't work like they could/should |
| 22:24.24 | Marajin | Most devs don't believe in making beautiful code, they believe in making fast and more or less functional code |
| 22:24.32 | Marajin | It's a "close enough" attitude |
| 22:25.39 | ginge | sure it is. there is not enough time in the universe to make beautifal code that is millions of lines of code long |
| 22:25.49 | Marajin | kinda true |
| 22:26.00 | Marajin | But there's little dedication to even do what is possible |
| 22:26.45 | ginge | yeah but whats possible isnt always the most profitable |
| 22:26.49 | Marajin | How many times have you seen a code change that takes something that worked fine but makes it multiple times faster/more efficient |
| 22:26.59 | Marajin | Ah well now we get to the crux of /why/ it's like that yeah :P |
| 22:27.20 | herriojr | hey, do sockets work in Android on the kaiser? |
| 22:27.22 | Marajin | jus' saying though that computers will never be used properly because people aren't concerned with doing it "right" |
| 22:27.34 | ginge | users dont care enough |
| 22:27.47 | Marajin | also true |
| 22:27.51 | ginge | just look at my attitude to the shitty routeer I have. I was all like "meh" |
| 22:27.55 | herriojr | computers should be designed to around users needs, users shouldn't have to modify their needs to meet that of the computer |
| 22:28.03 | Marajin | then again that's a general attitude not a computer specific attitude |
| 22:28.16 | Marajin | herriojr: users are willing to though, that's the point |
| 22:28.26 | Marajin | people just /accept/ with computers |
| 22:28.44 | Marajin | they'll accept crashes, reboots, glitches and hardware failures |
| 22:29.01 | herriojr | only for so long |
| 22:29.12 | Marajin | If cars and planes failed at the rate that mass computing does we'd half the world population rapidly :P |
| 22:29.16 | ginge | so when did the first computer come onto the market ;) |
| 22:29.44 | ginge | apathy trumps actually doing something |
| 22:29.45 | Marajin | ginge: Iunno.. home computer or mainframe type thing? |
| 22:29.59 | ginge | Marajin: doesn't matter. its decades and people still dont care |
| 22:30.15 | Marajin | 69-70 IIRC |
| 22:30.23 | Marajin | it was starting to get big in the 80s |
| 22:30.47 | Marajin | and honestly, despite complexity probablycomputers are more reliable now than they were |
| 22:30.55 | Marajin | XP/Vista vs Win95 for example? |
| 22:30.57 | Marajin | :P |
| 22:31.02 | ginge | cmon |
| 22:31.09 | Marajin | (I'm speaking strictly mass market here) |
| 22:31.14 | herriojr | hey, are we able to do data connection in Android? |
| 22:31.28 | Marajin | herriojr: technically it's really prone to just not working though |
| 22:31.30 | ginge | herriojr: if you sacrifice an animal and prey to the god wooowar, maybe |
| 22:31.58 | herriojr | hmm, I guess that's where I'll start helping, because my app really needs data connectivity :) |
| 22:32.00 | Marajin | ginge: You probably need sleep man, your typo rate is through the roof compared to norm |
| 22:32.23 | ginge | heh :) |
| 22:32.28 | ginge | I dont have my specs on :) |
| 22:33.04 | Marajin | DIY-lasers ginge's eyes with a mouse. |
| 22:33.15 | ginge | and I cant be arsed to correct the mistakes or se puctuation |
| 22:33.25 | herriojr | where should I start looking in reference to data connectivity? What drivers? |
| 22:33.32 | Marajin | Or even hit all the keys now? |
| 22:34.23 | ginge | herriojr: you have 2 options:- find out what causes the crash... is it kernel or is it android. If it is android is it because we did something wrong in hardware or is it because android is not ready |
| 22:35.06 | Marajin | herriojr: Whereupo we go "...angstrom works for hours on end, it's android, fuckit" |
| 22:35.25 | ginge | Marajin: I have a feeling its proc-commy ;) |
| 22:35.27 | herriojr | the vogue is able to do data connections....they can do http requests |
| 22:35.35 | herriojr | so it's definately on our side somewhere |
| 22:35.40 | ginge | herriojr: we can do data... for about 10 seconds |
| 22:35.41 | Marajin | ginge: It's android ;) android crashes in its own emu with regularity |
| 22:35.57 | ginge | we dont have all of the smd decoded yet. its almost certainly it |
| 22:36.08 | herriojr | smd? |
| 22:36.16 | ginge | shared memory |
| 22:36.30 | herriojr | ok, I can look into that |
| 22:36.31 | ginge | between the main arm11 processor and the arm9 modem driver chip |
| 22:36.32 | Marajin | hardware might not be helping true nuff but I still say android is so buggered that even if the kaiser kernel was perfect it'd have numerous issues |
| 22:36.48 | herriojr | ok :) |
| 22:37.05 | Marajin | I dunno how stable it actually is on the vogue |
| 22:37.14 | ginge | Marajin: dzo says rock solid |
| 22:37.23 | Marajin | ginge: Hmm |
| 22:37.56 | Marajin | ginge: So android's doing funny things that angstrom doesn't bother with and/or is more tolerant to not working? |
| 22:38.02 | ginge | Marajin: its got to be either: proc_comm (we know standard smd works) or some kind of binder/mem issue |
| 22:38.32 | Marajin | and I definitely know android's very unstable in the emu |
| 22:38.39 | ginge | Marajin: like maybe requesting something from the modem it doesnt understand/times out on. say 3g or HSPDSPCPSA or whatever its called |
| 22:38.58 | Marajin | HSDPA man, it's not hard :P |
| 22:39.08 | ginge | you say that, but I never remember :) |
| 22:39.25 | Marajin | High Speed Downlink Packet Access |
| 22:39.36 | ginge | too many acronyms |
| 22:39.44 | Marajin | HSUPA being rather unsurprisingly High Speed UPLINK packet access |
| 22:40.38 | Marajin | just call it H then |
| 22:40.44 | Marajin | quite a few do |
| 22:40.59 | ginge | more fun to have this argument :) |
| 22:41.01 | Marajin | G, E, 3G and H |
| 22:41.07 | ginge | E? |
| 22:41.10 | Marajin | EDGE |
| 22:41.13 | ginge | ah |
| 22:41.50 | Marajin | which is something wiggy like Enhanced Data GSM Evolution |
| 22:42.04 | ginge | and acronym within an acronym |
| 22:42.05 | Marajin | Nested acronyms for the win! |
| 22:42.12 | Marajin | man at least it's not recursive |
| 22:42.21 | Marajin | GNU/PNG/etc anyone? |
| 22:42.29 | ginge | at least recursive ones show some spark of imagication |
| 22:42.43 | ginge | PNG? |
| 22:42.46 | Marajin | they're technical specifications |
| 22:42.51 | Marajin | PNG Not Gif |
| 22:42.52 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:43.02 | Marajin | yes I know they say Portable Network Graphics too |
| 22:43.05 | ginge | oh. I thought it was portable network graphic |
| 22:43.36 | Marajin | Depends who you ask basically |
| 22:43.37 | Marajin | :P |
| 22:43.48 | ginge | who started it. I will email them |
| 22:43.57 | Marajin | fucked if i know |
| 22:44.06 | ginge | I am getting sidetracked again :) |
| 22:45.53 | Marajin | according to wikipedia, it's unoffical but technically original to call it PNG not GIF. |
| 22:45.54 | ginge | GINGE Ginge Is Not Gravy Eater |
| 22:46.03 | Marajin | His first draft was PING |
| 22:46.08 | Marajin | PING is not GIF |
| 22:46.40 | Marajin | but ping became png for the file extension |
| 22:46.47 | Marajin | so png stuck |
| 22:49.26 | Marajin | ginge: Not a gravy eater?! Man this is the north! that's a crime |
| 22:49.55 | ginge | couldnt think of anytrhing else. brain went to sleep a frew hous agho |
| 22:50.05 | Marajin | told you that you need sleep :P |
| 22:50.13 | ginge | hmm. I see what you mean about typos |
| 22:50.17 | Marajin | nods. |
| 22:50.22 | ginge | and some really bad spelling above |
| 22:50.30 | Marajin | I'm an expert on sleep-dep :P |
| 22:52.15 | Marajin | I always found it funny though that alcohol has virtually no effect on my typing skills |
| 22:52.20 | Marajin | they're that developed :P |
| 22:52.45 | ginge | rolls eyes |
| 22:52.56 | miknix | Marajin, lol |
| 22:53.17 | Marajin | ginge: Nah it's actually a true fact, my typing goes more from exhaustion than alcohol. |
| 22:53.40 | ginge | let you off then :) |
| 22:53.42 | Marajin | I talk more bollocks when drunk but it's not typoed or badly spelt generally ;) |
| 22:54.18 | Marajin | Ever tried learning two completely different keymaps simultaenously btw? |
| 22:54.26 | Marajin | say qwerty and dvorak? |
| 22:54.36 | ginge | how would that work? |
| 22:54.50 | Marajin | have two computers,one with each keymap |
| 22:54.56 | Marajin | code on one, IRC/IM on the other |
| 22:54.58 | ginge | I used to have dvorak mapping, but I didn't type on two computers at the same time |
| 22:55.21 | ginge | that would have melted my brain |
| 22:55.23 | Marajin | well you don't type both absolutely simultaenously but seamless switching would be the idea |
| 22:55.26 | Marajin | yeah |
| 22:55.32 | Marajin | believe it or not I mastered that |
| 22:55.33 | ginge | I know what you meant ;) |
| 22:55.42 | ginge | I always type on the wrong one as it is |
| 22:55.56 | Marajin | but every soo often my brain would forget which keymap it was meant to be using |
| 22:56.02 | Marajin | and since I touch type.. |
| 22:56.03 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:56.13 | ginge | 10 second stare at the keyboard |
| 22:56.15 | Marajin | streams of complete nonsense |
| 22:56.44 | Marajin | nah I'd just type off several lines of qwerty on a dvorak keyboard or something |
| 22:57.02 | ginge | thats nuts |
| 22:57.03 | Marajin | debugging that code is not so fun ;) |
| 22:57.17 | miknix | forgots all his passwords by only changing from qwerty to azerty. He doesn't want even to think what happens if he tries dvorak |
| 22:57.26 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:57.34 | Marajin | My wpm was pretty nuts on dvorak |
| 22:57.34 | ginge | lol |
| 22:57.47 | ginge | I used to type on a one handed twiddler |
| 22:58.11 | Marajin | I used it for my IM/IRC/etc. I can't think code fast enough for it to make sense to code with dvorak |
| 22:58.56 | Marajin | To be honest typing can really reveal a lot about how a person's brain is rigged up and what state they're in. |
| 22:59.18 | Marajin | I'm technically more likely to type completely the wrong word than actually typo a letter or two |
| 22:59.29 | ginge | I transpose a lot |
| 22:59.48 | miknix | I omit characters a lot |
| 22:59.51 | Marajin | well yeah but that's just having your touchtyping anchor off |
| 22:59.53 | miknix | keyboard <- fault |
| 23:00.03 | Marajin | but I'll go and do something like think china and type know |
| 23:00.04 | ginge | lol |
| 23:00.58 | Marajin | oh actually, heh that specific example it was china -> kinda |
| 23:01.07 | Marajin | which is misleadingly close |
| 23:01.21 | Marajin | I have typed and even said words that are completely unrelated to the intended word |
| 23:02.18 | Marajin | cabbage -> parrot sticks in my mind. |
| 23:02.24 | miknix | oh noes.. openoffice needs to be rebuilt |
| 23:02.35 | Marajin | which is fun when you think about the fact you're probably talking about what you want to eat |
| 23:03.04 | ginge | miknix: see you in a week ;) |
| 23:03.15 | Marajin | some red parrot with your shepards pie for example, worries people |
| 23:03.19 | miknix | lol.. not that bad |
| 23:03.36 | miknix | at least 4h |
| 23:03.50 | ginge | brb |
| 23:03.52 | Marajin | OO is pretty evil of a compile |
| 23:04.09 | Marajin | ginge: Midnight snack time? ;) |
| 23:04.15 | Marajin | either that or nicotine time :P |
| 23:05.04 | miknix | Marajin, at least it builds well with -j |
| 23:05.12 | Marajin | miknix: heh |
| 23:05.18 | Marajin | 4 hours with -j ? |
| 23:05.22 | Marajin | nice ;) |
| 23:05.24 | miknix | -j2 |
| 23:05.56 | Marajin | wants to win the lottery so he can be silly and find out what -j32 feels like :D |
| 23:06.08 | miknix | LOL |
| 23:06.16 | miknix | my desktop runs smootlhy with -j32 |
| 23:06.27 | Marajin | O.o |
| 23:06.29 | miknix | well.. that depends |
| 23:06.37 | miknix | if I'm building QT or not |
| 23:07.14 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 23:08.04 | Marajin | well I mean being able to run -j 32 where you actually HAVE a core per job ;) |
| 23:08.23 | Marajin | I wonder what make does on tilera processors |
| 23:08.26 | Marajin | -j1000 ? |
| 23:08.36 | miknix | -j only |
| 23:08.40 | miknix | unlimited jobs |
| 23:09.01 | Marajin | well not sure anything would use -j 1000 yeah |
| 23:09.04 | miknix | last time I tried it, kernel paniked with a Out of memory killer |
| 23:10.45 | miknix | Marajin, ever tried distcc? that can put you very near of your -j32 dream |
| 23:10.48 | Marajin | whee |
| 23:10.55 | Marajin | yeah I've used distcc |
| 23:11.12 | Marajin | for now I'll stick with -j 4 though I guess |
| 23:11.36 | miknix | its nice.. it allows me to put run gentoo on a Pentium III 600 |
| 23:11.45 | miknix | s/put// |
| 23:12.06 | Marajin | you can put gentoo on a p-3 600 anyway with patience |
| 23:12.12 | Marajin | or a p133 with idiocy |
| 23:12.14 | miknix | lots of it :) |
| 23:12.23 | Marajin | mmhmm |
| 23:12.28 | Marajin | clings to his xeon. |
| 23:12.47 | Marajin | I couldn't be bothered gentooizing my laptop |
| 23:12.54 | Marajin | kubuntu'd it |
| 23:12.59 | miknix | : o |
| 23:13.14 | miknix | kubuntu has much garbage under the hood |
| 23:13.16 | Marajin | MCE2005/Kubuntu 8.10 dualboot |
| 23:13.34 | Marajin | I know but I barely use it, I tend to NX to my gentoo box from MCE |
| 23:13.51 | *** join/#htc-linux infernix (i=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 23:14.00 | Marajin | I only actually boot into kubuntu to put stuff onto the ext partiton of my SD card ;) |
| 23:14.34 | Marajin | I should make a linux flashpen or something for that really |
| 23:15.10 | miknix | but gentoo on a laptop is nice.. |
| 23:15.16 | miknix | ... like trying to rebuild broken deps of Xorg before a slideshow presentation |
| 23:15.23 | Marajin | haha :P |
| 23:15.24 | Marajin | yeah |
| 23:15.30 | Marajin | it's a Core 2 duo 2.03 though |
| 23:15.41 | Marajin | not really a slouch at the end of the day |
| 23:16.14 | ginge | Marajin: nictine :) |
| 23:16.34 | Marajin | sticks a cap back on ginge's O key. |
| 23:16.50 | miknix | ... or trying to show some new *awesome* app to a friend and make him wait 20 min while your system emerges it |
| 23:16.55 | ginge | its got biscuit crumbs under it |
| 23:16.56 | Marajin | Man GO to sleep :P |
| 23:17.10 | Marajin | miknix: I've had to do that before yeah |
| 23:17.19 | miknix | : ) |
| 23:17.22 | Marajin | Then again showing off kaiser doing stuff is like that |
| 23:17.40 | Marajin | "hey watch android runs on it.. justaminute....haret...yes..run...ok... yep...it'll boot in a minute....just a sec..." |
| 23:17.50 | ginge | Marajin: you show people? Most poeple just look at me blank and ask "why?" |
| 23:17.59 | miknix | lol |
| 23:18.07 | Marajin | most people look at me blank |
| 23:18.13 | Marajin | they don't understand enough to ask why |
| 23:18.34 | Marajin | My bro-in-law managed "Oh, I've never actually seen android before, that's kinda neat" |
| 23:18.50 | ginge | I showed some IT friend of mine yesterday. he was decidedly unimpressed. |
| 23:19.04 | Marajin | and I went "O.o your job is to lecture at a uni in modern embedded tech and you haven't heard of youtubing for something like that?" |
| 23:19.31 | ginge | most proplr I know who work in IT never heard of android |
| 23:19.32 | miknix | ginge, you have to show your friend a booting TTY and then dial his phone number using AT commands and say: - that's how I make calls |
| 23:19.50 | Marajin | ginge: Kinda worrisome isn't it? |
| 23:19.56 | ginge | miknix: you make a joke about that but I built a framebuffer phone dialler :) |
| 23:19.59 | Marajin | miknix: We keep saying we'll make a console distro for kaiser |
| 23:20.11 | Marajin | ginge: You didn't... |
| 23:20.14 | miknix | ginge, awesome |
| 23:20.23 | miknix | were is it? |
| 23:20.25 | miknix | *where |
| 23:20.25 | ginge | its not very good and no audio :) |
| 23:20.32 | Marajin | yet :P |
| 23:20.45 | ginge | miknix: I will put the patch up if you want. its super hacky |
| 23:20.51 | Marajin | still we said we'd have like "dial <number>" and "sms <number> <body>" and whatnot |
| 23:20.58 | miknix | does it depend on curses? |
| 23:21.09 | Marajin | miknix: Nah it's FB he's done it |
| 23:21.11 | ginge | miknix: no, its written in the fb driver. like I said, hacky |
| 23:21.17 | miknix | ohhh |
| 23:21.18 | miknix | fb |
| 23:21.50 | Marajin | ginge: Hmm d'ya think we could relatively easily code a curses dialer for angstrom? :> |
| 23:22.00 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, sure why not |
| 23:22.06 | Marajin | It would be a highly comical way to solve the UI problems |
| 23:22.14 | ginge | who need a ui :) |
| 23:22.17 | Marajin | "We couldn't get X working so we just made a phone that doesn't NEED it" |
| 23:22.18 | ginge | when yo have emacs |
| 23:22.39 | Marajin | well we could basically read TS events and have ncurses apps |
| 23:22.43 | Marajin | it would be doable |
| 23:22.47 | ginge | easily |
| 23:22.47 | Marajin | sms via pine?:P |
| 23:22.50 | miknix | yeah.. every PDA has directional keys and a enter.. curses based UI would be very failsafe |
| 23:23.06 | ginge | Marajin: that would be horrible |
| 23:23.09 | Marajin | miknix: We could definitely use the TS even as far as I know |
| 23:23.13 | Marajin | ginge: I know :D |
| 23:23.33 | Marajin | ginge: But c'mon, can you really say you wouldn't secretly love being able to do that? |
| 23:23.37 | Marajin | a REAL geeky phone :P |
| 23:23.50 | ginge | to me that is more awesome than android |
| 23:23.54 | Marajin | exactly! |
| 23:24.03 | ginge | I barely get out of the console as it is |
| 23:24.04 | Marajin | elinks for web? |
| 23:24.09 | miknix | LOL |
| 23:24.09 | ginge | lynx2 |
| 23:24.18 | Marajin | same diff more or less |
| 23:24.23 | Marajin | aalib stuff too? :D |
| 23:24.27 | ginge | lol |
| 23:24.29 | miknix | real geeks browse www with netcat |
| 23:24.35 | ginge | aalib for porn :) |
| 23:24.40 | Marajin | ginge: yep |
| 23:24.42 | ginge | miknix: lol |
| 23:24.46 | Marajin | ginge: Mplayer can render via aalib I think |
| 23:24.59 | miknix | libcaca! |
| 23:25.02 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, it does it sometime on this |
| 23:25.10 | miknix | for mplayer ascii rendering |
| 23:25.23 | Marajin | ginge: :D I now have a mental picture of someone doing video calls via our ascii rendered kaisers |
| 23:25.29 | dcordes | ncurses phone would kick ass |
| 23:25.39 | dcordes | I bet if the moko2 had any buttons, somebody would have made one already |
| 23:25.39 | Marajin | screw it, let's do it! :D |
| 23:25.51 | ginge | grins |
| 23:25.59 | dcordes | but it only has 2 |
| 23:26.07 | dcordes | afair |
| 23:26.14 | ginge | dcordes: morse code input :) |
| 23:26.17 | Marajin | gprs works ok in angstrom, we should be able to do the AT stuff tolerably.. |
| 23:26.20 | miknix | http://www.deaconsworld.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/libcaca.png <- mplayer with caca output |
| 23:26.39 | ginge | nice |
| 23:26.50 | Marajin | know what's worrying? |
| 23:26.51 | miknix | it can output to a tty |
| 23:26.53 | Marajin | I know what video that is |
| 23:27.19 | miknix | lol |
| 23:27.25 | Marajin | "Call me when you're sober" |
| 23:27.52 | dcordes | Marajin: that AT stuff is easy to try |
| 23:28.04 | ginge | I know that dialling works, I tried it already |
| 23:28.09 | dcordes | Marajin: there is a console program to test and debug gsmd |
| 23:28.20 | dcordes | ginge: in angstrom? |
| 23:28.24 | ginge | dcordes: yeah |
| 23:28.32 | dcordes | ginge: did arm9 give you the sound? |
| 23:28.40 | ginge | dcordes: did it bollocks |
| 23:28.53 | Marajin | I imagine that's solveable |
| 23:28.54 | dcordes | sorry? |
| 23:28.56 | ginge | lol |
| 23:28.58 | ginge | no |
| 23:29.03 | Marajin | dcordes: He means it did't work |
| 23:29.09 | dcordes | ok ^^ |
| 23:29.21 | ginge | dcordes: http://pastebin.com/mec9787b anything I missed other than gsm/ |
| 23:29.55 | Marajin | dcordes: is your brain melting from learning english slang yet? :P |
| 23:30.10 | dcordes | led is also gps, the red one. I believe some are mix |
| 23:30.19 | dcordes | not yet |
| 23:30.38 | ginge | dcordes: I would imagine that you can set them how you want. dont know on that one |
| 23:31.43 | Marajin | I think it's possible in WM so it's doable in linux |
| 23:31.43 | dcordes | display mddi <- what does that mean? |
| 23:32.02 | ginge | the mddi chipset needs powerdown too |
| 23:32.15 | ginge | the display signalling chipset |
| 23:32.21 | Marajin | I thik he doesn't know what mddi does |
| 23:32.45 | dcordes | ah ok |
| 23:34.01 | Marajin | ya know the more I consider it, the more it's undeniable that you could make a fairly functional console/curses only handset |
| 23:34.16 | dcordes | clean up and merge in vogue code <- shall we ask dzo to use mainline egpio isntead of his self made egpio solution? |
| 23:34.34 | dcordes | ginge: would that be a big task? |
| 23:34.38 | ginge | dcordes: you can ask, but I think his time is better spent getting stuff working :) |
| 23:34.46 | ginge | dcordes: 20 minute job |
| 23:35.18 | ginge | asking him to use register names instead of numbers would be handy tho |
| 23:35.32 | dcordes | ginge: ..I forgot we don't even use mainline egpio ourselfs yet but some older version |
| 23:35.54 | ginge | dcordes: it works for now :) |
| 23:36.08 | dcordes | I'm just saying |
| 23:36.21 | ginge | still not conviced there isn't an irq for that cpld either |
| 23:36.30 | dcordes | oh that's on your list already |
| 23:36.52 | dcordes | I think then it's complete, nothing to add from my side |
| 23:37.02 | ginge | ok, thanks |
| 23:37.29 | dcordes | is there no irq visible in haret when cpld action is performed? |
| 23:37.37 | ginge | nope |
| 23:37.53 | dcordes | if only kevin2 had an msm :) |
| 23:38.05 | ginge | we should buy hm one :) |
| 23:38.29 | dcordes | I spent all my money on my military purpose beagleboard :-( |
| 23:38.36 | ginge | lol |
| 23:38.40 | Marajin | don't look at me |
| 23:38.43 | Marajin | I'm already in debt |
| 23:38.48 | ginge | who isnt |
| 23:38.56 | dcordes | ginge: received your package yet? |
| 23:39.01 | ginge | nopr |
| 23:39.04 | ginge | nope |
| 23:39.06 | Marajin | Nah I mean I'm in debt I can't technically afford to be in :P |
| 23:39.09 | dcordes | me n'either they said they'd send it today |
| 23:39.14 | ginge | who isnt |
| 23:39.24 | Marajin | O.o; my dad? |
| 23:39.25 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:39.29 | Marajin | millionaireS? |
| 23:39.32 | Marajin | shurgs. |
| 23:39.34 | ginge | only the old are wise |
| 23:39.37 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:39.45 | Marajin | ginge you're not a spring chicken anymore ;) |
| 23:40.15 | ginge | I will start worrying when I hit 30 |
| 23:40.32 | Marajin | Nah you won't :P you'll think "...eh, when I hit /fourty/" |
| 23:40.41 | dcordes | unfortunately nobody replied to the msm .25 mailing list post yet |
| 23:40.50 | ginge | dcordes: about what? |
| 23:40.57 | ginge | dcordes: oh, I see |
| 23:41.09 | Marajin | Isn't .25 known to have a few issues in general? |
| 23:41.12 | ginge | Marajin: well I don't have long to practice the fourty line |
| 23:41.31 | dcordes | http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/mobile-linux-discuss/2008-August/thread.html |
| 23:41.34 | Marajin | ginge: well at least you'll have time to practice the "when I'm 50" line |
| 23:41.41 | ginge | thats the spirit :) |
| 23:42.14 | ginge | I am? |
| 23:42.28 | ginge | oops |
| 23:42.32 | Marajin | Now now, let's not get philosophical! |
| 23:42.37 | ginge | lol |
| 23:42.50 | Marajin | "I geek there for ..I am?" |
| 23:43.14 | Marajin | .. ok now I'm officially losing the ability to type, this is a bad sign |
| 23:43.27 | ginge | who needs sleep? |
| 23:43.49 | Marajin | I don't know but whoever they are I'm going to beat them visciously to death with a giant rubber cock. |
| 23:44.06 | ginge | winces |
| 23:44.23 | ginge | where are you going to find a large rubber chicken at this time of night? |
| 23:44.34 | Marajin | my friend in belmont I imagine would provide |
| 23:44.49 | ginge | dare I ask |
| 23:44.58 | Marajin | He's not adverse to wearing PVC trousers and a corset if you catch my drift |
| 23:45.12 | ginge | fair enough |
| 23:45.27 | Marajin | Excellently, he lives in the vicarage :D |
| 23:45.57 | ginge | heh. |
| 23:46.08 | Marajin | and yes, his dad is the local vicar |
| 23:47.09 | Marajin | isn't life wonderful at times? |
| 23:47.41 | Marajin | Vicar's son and he's a bisexual BDSM freak |
| 23:47.45 | ginge | // ok so the irq seems to trigger before the dma is completed. It is also related to the cpu |
| 23:47.46 | ginge | // do a nasty nasty polling loop that waits for the data to catch up. |
| 23:47.46 | ginge | // this loop causes nasty problems down the line. See comment below about sacrificing |
| 23:47.46 | ginge | // chickens in order to make dma complete without error |
| 23:47.48 | Marajin | and part time geek |
| 23:47.49 | ginge | oops |
| 23:49.02 | tcccp | Marajin: Would you care not to write "bdsm"? kthxbye |
| 23:49.18 | Marajin | tcccp: Um, right |
| 23:49.27 | tcccp | I have it as highlight ;) |
| 23:49.28 | ginge | how about BSDm |
| 23:49.38 | Marajin | hah |
| 23:49.39 | tcccp | ginge: almost as hardcore ;) |
| 23:49.43 | ginge | lol |
| 23:49.57 | Marajin | actually.... |
| 23:50.03 | Marajin | he IS a BSD uer |
| 23:50.03 | Marajin | *user |
| 23:51.35 | ginge | whoever cleans this code up is going to have to remove a shitload of my dumb annotations |
| 23:52.14 | Marajin | better your annotations than mine |
| 23:52.24 | ginge | howso? |
| 23:52.37 | Marajin | with mine you'd be lucky if it was a technically real language |
| 23:53.03 | Marajin | and that does carry into my variable naming and such |
| 23:53.21 | Marajin | bing->wibble(the_frootie); is not really atypical for me |
| 23:53.58 | ginge | int big; |
| 23:53.58 | ginge | int cock; |
| 23:53.58 | ginge | big = cock++; |
| 23:54.10 | Marajin | hey at least that's real words ;) |
| 23:54.17 | ginge | true |
| 23:54.39 | Marajin | There is one person in the world besides me that's guaranteed to understand my comments/code |
| 23:54.56 | ginge | your evil twin? |
| 23:55.00 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:55.06 | miknix | better than me. imagine you can only write variables names as numbers: int one, two; struct four *three; three->one = two; |
| 23:55.07 | Marajin | in mind yes |
| 23:55.19 | Marajin | miknix: really? yow |
| 23:55.23 | ginge | miknix: my head hurts |
| 23:55.38 | Marajin | ginge: Oh... you heard of the discworld MUD yeah? |
| 23:55.43 | miknix | lol |
| 23:55.46 | ginge | Marajin: no |
| 23:56.06 | Marajin | ginge: Their code is so random that bits of are like ..an ode to a cabbage |
| 23:56.18 | ginge | figures :) |
| 23:56.18 | Marajin | and roughly 20% of their variables at some point are fluff, cabbage or womble |
| 23:56.30 | ginge | Marajin: must be a bitch to debug |
| 23:56.33 | Marajin | it is |
| 23:56.48 | ginge | find insanity/replace sanity |
| 23:56.52 | Marajin | it dosn't help that their mudlib is about 30 megs of solid (LP)C code |
| 23:57.04 | ginge | how much? |
| 23:57.16 | ginge | 30MB of C is an insane amoutn of code |
| 23:57.20 | Marajin | I know |
| 23:57.25 | Marajin | it's a VERY large mud |
| 23:57.29 | ginge | like trillions of lines |
| 23:57.34 | Marajin | probably |
| 23:57.36 | miknix | one_thousand_and_one = a_billion_and_two->two * 2; // yep.. huge pita in big sources |
| 23:57.45 | miknix | lol |
| 23:57.57 | ginge | the whole of envymud was only 900k |
| 23:58.00 | Marajin | every area, item and NPC would be a seperate .c file ya see |
| 23:58.04 | ginge | miknix: why??? |
| 23:58.20 | ginge | Marajin: oh, not in area files etc? |
| 23:58.29 | Marajin | Only the "terrains" |
| 23:58.34 | Marajin | rendered from ASCII maps those |
| 23:59.09 | Marajin | The rest of the MUD is just in raw code |
| 23:59.29 | ginge | /* i dont know what this does, but forcing it into this address makes the bluetooth device wake up. Blame this on SPL 8/ |
| 23:59.43 | Marajin | you just instance objects and set their parameters |
| 23:59.45 | ginge | damn paste!! |
| 23:59.55 | Marajin | ginge: The best one I saw was in the windows 2000 code |
