| 00:12.46 | marajin | hah |
| 00:12.55 | marajin | "wait... you REALLY want to play freebird?" |
| 00:13.08 | marajin | yeesh |
| 00:13.22 | marajin | it asks several times.. gh3 just is like 'boo, TFATF for you!' |
| 00:15.46 | miknix | fu*k this windoz mobile |
| 00:16.21 | miknix | if I turn off the wizard with some alarms set up, it will ring all the alarms at boot |
| 00:16.48 | miknix | : \ |
| 00:17.33 | ali1234 | windows ce and alarms just dont work, in any version |
| 00:17.55 | marajin | WFM |
| 00:18.02 | miknix | I suspect sometimes they don't even ring |
| 00:18.09 | ali1234 | all the way back to my philips nino, there was always about 50% chance that they dont go off |
| 00:18.15 | ali1234 | yes, sometimes they just dont go off |
| 00:18.28 | miknix | : \ |
| 00:18.43 | miknix | I thought I was turning them off while sleeping |
| 00:18.46 | marajin | it probably checks the time every 6/1/ seconds or something |
| 00:18.49 | ali1234 | nope |
| 00:18.51 | marajin | and misses them |
| 00:20.00 | ali1234 | it has something to do with the sleep mode the phone is in |
| 00:20.43 | miknix | AFAIK the omap 850 has some hardware alarms |
| 00:21.02 | miknix | but I guess windoz mobile isn't using them |
| 00:21.22 | ali1234 | looks that way. windows mobile had this problem since it was made |
| 00:21.32 | ali1234 | since it was called windows ce even |
| 00:22.35 | miknix | another thing that I couldn't believe was that my windoz mobile kernel was built with generic ARM instruction set |
| 00:22.47 | ali1234 | of course it is |
| 00:22.52 | miknix | why? |
| 00:23.18 | ali1234 | kind of like how windows xp is built with generic x86 instruction set? so they only have to support one version? |
| 00:23.18 | miknix | they have to built in device drivers anyway |
| 00:23.52 | miknix | ali1234, but its different. windows xp is targeted to a lot of different devices |
| 00:24.01 | ali1234 | so is windows mobile |
| 00:24.19 | miknix | why are device drivers builtin on the windoz mobile kernel then? |
| 00:24.26 | ali1234 | windows ce runs on a lot of embedded devices |
| 00:25.18 | ali1234 | actually they have an x86 version too |
| 00:25.31 | ali1234 | i dunno why the device drivers are built in... i'm pretty sure they arn't |
| 00:25.43 | marajin | NAiL: ginge: Well that's GH2 beaten on hard straight run only 1 song failed, passed on 1st retry :) |
| 00:26.12 | miknix | ali1234, yes, they are. at least I traced some omap850 specific routines on it |
| 00:26.37 | ali1234 | perhaps... but there's things like SDCard.dll |
| 00:26.54 | ali1234 | and you get driver updates for certain hardware... it just installs a new dll |
| 00:27.05 | miknix | hum.. |
| 00:27.37 | marajin | it's true, most of the windows mobile drivers aren't built in at all, that's how we can custom roll newer versions of WM on the same hardware I think |
| 00:28.16 | marajin | definitely SD and graphics drivers are .dlls |
| 00:28.25 | miknix | ok.. but at least omap850 support is there |
| 00:28.44 | marajin | it may have several kernels or something |
| 00:28.49 | miknix | hum.. |
| 00:29.00 | marajin | you'd have to ask a cooker I guess |
| 00:29.26 | ali1234 | even on linux the situation is no different |
| 00:29.45 | ali1234 | pretty much every commercial embedded linux based device uses the same code sourcery toolchain |
| 00:30.41 | ali1234 | and the new debian armel is all about standardizing the binaries... because making a binary for every different arm cpu is just too much work |
| 00:30.45 | miknix | ok.. but if the kernel is targeted to omap850, then it makes sense to at least optimize it to v5tejl |
| 00:31.21 | marajin | well that's why we tell OE what version to optimize to when we build rootfs in general I guess |
| 00:31.46 | ali1234 | see http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
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| 00:32.38 | ali1234 | they target armv4+ |
| 00:33.28 | miknix | that's why I have my own embedded distro :) |
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| 00:34.57 | ALoGeNo | hey why i cant interactive in qtopia?, and openmoko have console? |
| 00:35.02 | ALoGeNo | hello all :) |
| 00:36.58 | miknix | ali1234, have a look at gentoo. we have optimized binaries for each device |
| 00:36.59 | miknix | :) |
| 00:38.13 | ali1234 | they might be optimized, but there is no guarantee that they will actually work |
| 00:38.37 | miknix | of course they work |
| 00:39.03 | miknix | they pass over the same stabilization cycle as x86 |
| 00:40.28 | miknix | but the important are not the binaries, but the gentoo-patched sources that can be built for any platform with minimal effort |
| 00:41.10 | ali1234 | i wouldn't call installing gentoo "minimal effort" - but hey let's not argue about it? ;) |
| 00:41.54 | ali1234 | i'm going to mail a bit of test code to linwizard-devel - it's just a testing module that tries to make a timer |
| 00:41.59 | miknix | ali1234, unless you are a developer, stable packages will just cross-compile fine with emerge :) |
| 00:43.23 | ali1234 | but i dont have emerge... |
| 00:46.27 | ali1234 | it says here that bitbake (used by OE) is based on portage... |
| 00:49.02 | miknix | yeah, it is :) |
| 00:49.46 | miknix | recipes are just ebuilds with some more instructions for xcompile |
| 00:50.16 | miknix | ali1234, I received your patch. thanks |
| 00:51.44 | ali1234 | it's not a patch... compile it outside of the kernel tree, and then watch it spectacularly fail to work :) |
| 00:51.58 | miknix | :) |
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| 10:06.09 | ALoGeNo | morning all |
| 10:06.17 | dcordes | hi |
| 10:06.32 | ALoGeNo | where is the file that store the server dns? |
| 10:06.46 | ALoGeNo | im trying to configure my tichy :) |
| 10:07.10 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.30 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.12 | ALoGeNo | resolv.conf |
| 10:08.22 | ALoGeNo | hehe ok thats it :) |
| 10:08.40 | ALoGeNo | i forget that ;), im so bad with names xd |
| 10:09.52 | dcordes | what device are you using tichy on? |
| 10:10.06 | ALoGeNo | uni |
| 10:10.33 | ALoGeNo | why? |
| 10:12.35 | ALoGeNo | shit my uni is rebooting :/ |
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| 10:13.02 | ALoGeNo | all the changes that i do, are stored in image? |
| 10:17.38 | marbalon | dcordes: hi |
| 10:17.56 | marbalon | any progres ? |
| 10:22.21 | marbalon | I'm going to change Kaiser to Diamond or Touch Pro. I prefer Diamond (smaller) but no SD Card, so this can be a problem |
| 10:23.23 | marbalon | does anyone know something about filesystem used in Windows Mobile on internal storage ? |
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| 11:14.28 | dcordes_ | marbalon: maybe vfat? |
| 11:14.38 | dcordes_ | I don't know what else they should use |
| 11:15.41 | dcordes_ | marbalon: nobody booted on diamond / touch pro so far |
| 11:16.08 | dcordes_ | perhaps I will also go for a touch pro |
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| 11:19.38 | marajin | 'lo |
| 11:19.51 | marajin | dcordes: I just got a umpc/small tablet pc |
| 11:21.22 | dcordes | asus? |
| 11:22.47 | marajin | nah |
| 11:52.59 | marajin | wow what a dumb idea they had by putting vista on this thing |
| 12:42.05 | dcordes | what a dumb idea making an x86 small mobile computer |
| 12:42.07 | dcordes | bbl |
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| 13:40.43 | fnord_ | is there a list of what *is* working? |
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| 13:43.07 | BabelO_ | Raketemensch: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 13:44.49 | Raketemensch | muchas danke |
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| 15:23.42 | okias | Hello, any news about Kaiser Wi-Fi? :-) |
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| 16:21.36 | BabelO_ | ola pH5 :) |
| 16:21.56 | pH5 | salut |
| 16:26.03 | jeanseb | hello |
| 16:26.15 | jeanseb | BabelO, is there news abot htc images ? |
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| 16:31.22 | BabelO_ | hello jeanseb |
| 16:31.32 | BabelO_ | jeanseb: non desolé , pas le temps :( |
| 16:31.45 | jeanseb | pas grave |
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| 17:20.38 | BabelO_ | marajin_: around ? |
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| 18:24.30 | marajin_ | BabelO_: what's uip? |
| 18:26.47 | BabelO | marajin_: do you have latest android root fs ? :) |
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| 19:03.11 | marajin | kerboom? |
| 19:03.51 | marajin | babel0: Sorry, no |
| 19:04.03 | marajin | I need a faster os for this umpc |
| 19:04.12 | marajin | vista = teh paaaain |
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| 19:06.31 | marajin1 | whoops |
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| 19:40.25 | marajin | It's quiet tonight |
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| 19:42.03 | marajin | 'lo ali1235 |
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| 19:42.26 | ali1235 | hmm why am i ali1235? i didnt even sign on to irc yet today? |
| 19:42.45 | marajin | It remem bers! |
| 19:42.55 | ali1235 | marajin: hi and happy birthday :) |
| 19:43.16 | marajin | ali1235: thanks |
| 19:43.19 | marajin | I got a UMPC heh |
| 19:44.16 | ali1235 | nice |
| 19:45.50 | marajin | Vista hogs it to the ground mercilessly though |
| 19:46.02 | ali1234 | vista runs on it? |
| 19:46.04 | marajin | #think I'll make a linux pendrive for it or something |
| 19:46.06 | marajin | oh yeah |
| 19:46.11 | marajin | home premium no less |
| 19:46.20 | ali1234 | with aero? |
| 19:46.24 | marajin | yep |
| 19:46.31 | marajin | it has a gma950 |
| 19:46.35 | ali1234 | doesn't it get hot? |
| 19:46.37 | marajin | gig of ram |
| 19:46.38 | marajin | nope |
| 19:46.50 | marajin | it |
| 19:46.51 | ali1234 | how can it be possible? |
| 19:46.53 | marajin | it's fine |
| 19:47.09 | marajin | :pbut it gets upset if I watch videos over wifi at the same time |
| 19:47.20 | ali1234 | well video over wifi never works |
| 19:47.37 | ali1234 | one time i tried to stream video over wifi to my wizard using vlc |
| 19:47.52 | ali1234 | the wizard crashed from the sheer amount of traffic before i even loaded up vlc |
| 19:48.22 | marajin | heh |
| 19:48.27 | ali1234 | the video was multicast |
| 19:48.37 | marajin | this thing is obviously a bit tougher than a wizard in processing power though |
| 19:48.55 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 19:48.59 | marajin | I think even a gma will take the brunt of video processing |
| 19:49.12 | ali1234 | but the wizard gets pretty hot when you are using it |
| 19:49.31 | marajin | hmm are there any decent ready to rock linux thumbdrive distros? |
| 19:49.38 | ali1234 | sure |
| 19:49.42 | ali1234 | ubuntu |
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| 19:50.18 | marajin | Can I generate the thumbdrive from windows though? |
| 19:50.29 | ali1234 | i mean as long as your thumbdrive is over 1gb and your bios supports usb storage (which it will) then you dont need a special distro |
| 19:50.55 | ali1234 | either plug in a usb cdrom or use network boot |
| 19:51.41 | marajin | both are eminently possible at some point yep |
| 19:52.00 | ali1234 | ubuntu supports windows "add/remove" now :) |
| 19:52.26 | ali1234 | it installs itself to a loopback file on your windows partition |
| 19:52.39 | marajin | ah yeah I know of that |
| 19:52.55 | ali1234 | dunno if there is a network installer for windows... but there should be |
| 19:53.03 | marajin | there are yeah |
| 19:53.11 | ali1234 | by which i mean someone should make it if there isnt already :) |
| 19:54.12 | marajin | Well I've got it running pidgin while running divx stand up comedy shows over wifi from an smb share |
| 19:54.25 | marajin | and it's coping |
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| 19:56.20 | marajin | hey dcordes |
| 19:56.43 | Raketemensch | would those be dapcentral stand-up encodes? |
| 19:56.50 | dcordes | evening |
| 19:57.26 | dcordes | a new rocket person? :) |
| 19:58.05 | marajin | nah Raketemensch, it |
| 19:58.13 | marajin | 's dara o brian show |
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| 21:26.40 | BabelO | dcordes_: around ? |
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| 22:17.02 | dcordes_ | BabelO: now |
| 22:17.22 | BabelO | dcordes_: where is your latest android extracted root fs ? |
| 22:18.02 | dcordes_ | on my linuxtogo ~ are only older initrd.gz |
| 22:18.19 | dcordes_ | somebody posted the new one on xda forum, but I fear it is wrong |
| 22:18.36 | dcordes_ | dzo put a 0.9 (latest) for kaiser |
| 22:19.27 | dcordes_ | http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue/android-new.zip but I don't know which format |
| 22:23.01 | dcordes_ | hmm it's the same which emulator uses |
| 22:23.50 | dcordes_ | in the above file are two image files, a rootfs in yaffs2 and initrd in yaffs2 |
| 22:24.03 | dcordes_ | I wonder why google uses a filesystem which is not in mainline |
| 22:24.08 | dcordes_ | very annoying |
| 22:25.16 | ali1234 | i heard all the filesystems in mainline are pretty bad for writable flash filesystems |
| 22:27.49 | dcordes_ | what about jfs? |
| 22:27.55 | dcordes_ | that's for flash |
| 22:28.13 | ali1234 | you mean jffs? |
| 22:28.39 | dcordes_ | and why come up with a new flash filesystem and not just improve the present? |
| 22:28.40 | dcordes_ | yes |
| 22:28.46 | ali1234 | argh dead fly in drink :( |
| 22:28.57 | ali1234 | because jffs works in a totally insane way |
| 22:29.17 | dcordes_ | ok.. |
| 22:29.28 | ali1234 | it supports "wear levelling" only in so much as it wears out every part of your flash at the same rate |
| 22:29.40 | dcordes_ | :) |
| 22:29.42 | ali1234 | a rate that might in fact be faster than a regular filesystem |
| 22:30.00 | dcordes_ | so if one part wears out too slow, jffs2 makes it wear out fast :P |
| 22:30.08 | ali1234 | it also tends to totally mess up if the disk gets full |
| 22:30.59 | dcordes_ | there are some mach types in OE that use jffs2.. |
| 22:31.36 | ali1234 | you can get in a situation where writing a few bytes to a file means moving every file on the disk |
| 22:32.48 | dcordes_ | nasty |
| 22:36.32 | ali1234 | jffs2 is more advanced than jffs, i dont know much about it |
| 22:59.38 | dcordes_ | BabelO: here a person uploaded. but it must be similar to what is in dzo's zip file above. better use dzo's. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2543372&postcount=753 |
| 22:59.42 | dcordes_ | good night |
| 23:00.26 | BabelO | ok i m trying it :) |