| 00:02.58 | dcordes | cr2, do you have experience in requesting data sheets? |
| 00:06.38 | dcordes | Thank you. Your request has been sent successfully. |
| 00:06.52 | dcordes | I wonder what they will answer if anything :) |
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| 01:18.38 | dcordes | ginge, with panning still turned off and MSM_FB_SIZE*2 I get the same behaviour in X |
| 01:23.10 | dcordes | ginge, somehow Xfbdev hangs when I try to launch applications on it |
| 01:24.49 | dcordes | I had two ssh terminals on the kaiser, on one I ran Xfbdev, on the other one I ran DISPLAY=:0 gpe-su |
| 01:25.32 | dcordes | both freeze after the gpe program is ran |
| 01:25.58 | dcordes | tmzt_, are you around? |
| 01:27.15 | dcordes | hmm it seems like dropbear dies |
| 01:27.24 | dcordes | no new connections are possible |
| 01:27.37 | dcordes | and Xfbdev doesn't terminate although I put a timer |
| 01:39.06 | tmzt_ | hey, dcordes |
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| 07:27.37 | kiozen | cr2: that crash is bad. can you compile in debug mode to get line numbers. |
| 07:27.53 | kiozen | cr2: it's not obvious to me why this happens |
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| 10:08.47 | BabelO | ola |
| 10:08.51 | BabelO | kiozen: got a new bug :) |
| 10:09.02 | BabelO | kiozen: when i use overlay to create a track |
| 10:09.13 | BabelO | profile is a line |
| 10:09.53 | kiozen | BabelO: yes, and? |
| 10:10.14 | BabelO | there is a problem, last time i try i can see the profil altitude |
| 10:10.22 | BabelO | kiozen: now it is no more working |
| 10:10.37 | kiozen | ah, ok now i get it |
| 10:10.56 | kiozen | BabelO: do you still the the elevation in the status bar? |
| 10:11.07 | BabelO | kiozen: let me check |
| 10:13.21 | BabelO | kiozen: sorry it is my fault,did not set the good elevation file |
| 10:13.33 | kiozen | hehe |
| 10:13.38 | BabelO | kiozen: how can i zoom without a mouse ? |
| 10:13.44 | kiozen | + - |
| 10:14.12 | kiozen | alt + [up|down|left|right] to move the map |
| 10:16.17 | BabelO | kiozen: perfect i m on eeepc and did not set the z elevation file :) |
| 10:16.19 | BabelO | it is ok now |
| 10:16.32 | BabelO | kiozen: one more thing when on distance polyline |
| 10:16.56 | BabelO | kiozen: can we switch directly to track when clicking on maketrack ? |
| 10:17.15 | kiozen | sure, wait a second .... |
| 10:17.47 | BabelO | kiozen: i m not able to compile M :( SDK fail. so i did not embedded SDK here :( |
| 10:21.47 | kiozen | BabelO: svn up GT |
| 10:22.06 | BabelO | kiozen: thx |
| 10:22.06 | kiozen | BabelO: why does the s |
| 10:22.10 | kiozen | oops |
| 10:22.17 | kiozen | why does the SDK fail? |
| 10:23.02 | BabelO | kiozen: i want to build qtopia sdk for x86 with make sdk, but it fail, i did not check more |
| 10:23.36 | kiozen | ok |
| 10:24.23 | BabelO | kiozen: i see you speak on a de website about geocaching and GT / M :) |
| 10:24.58 | kiozen | yes, personal fun to post there, it's a very agressive forum |
| 10:26.56 | BabelO | kiozen: yes i read it in english version with google url translate |
| 10:27.34 | BabelO | kiozen: i see someone got an interest running it on artemis last day |
| 10:28.07 | kiozen | BabelO: yes I know him, and told him to address you |
| 10:28.51 | kiozen | btw: tortured my brain over a panoramic profile view generated from SRTM data the whole morning |
| 10:29.17 | BabelO | lol, that s the good part, other thing are too easy |
| 10:29.28 | kiozen | BabelO: but beware he is quite a noob on linux. "ubuntu user" if you know what I mean :P |
| 10:30.11 | kiozen | BabelO: my trigonomic capabilities are veeeeery rusty |
| 10:30.37 | kiozen | NMI by wife, bbl |
| 10:30.44 | BabelO | kiozen: bbl |
| 10:30.59 | BabelO | kiozen: i know very well unbuntu user |
| 10:31.01 | BabelO | :) |
| 10:31.12 | BabelO | ~wtf NMI |
| 10:31.19 | BabelO | me too |
| 10:31.28 | kiozen | non maskable interrupt |
| 10:33.20 | BabelO | apt NMI is non maskable interrupt |
| 10:33.21 | apt | ...but nmi is already something else... |
| 10:33.33 | BabelO | apt: what is nmi ? |
| 10:33.33 | apt | it has been said that nmi is Non-Maskable Interrupts, a way to diagnose why a CPU soft-froze. |
| 10:33.55 | BabelO | ok lol, i did not ask the good question :) |
| 10:33.57 | BabelO | bbl |
| 10:49.03 | diogene31_ | is away: lunch |
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| 11:27.20 | eFfeM | hi, just got a 2nd-hand htc wizard to play with and want to get linux running on it. What would be a good place to start (I'm not a linux n00b) |
| 11:35.26 | diogene31_ | is back |
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| 11:57.00 | cr2 | eFfeM: linwizard.sf.net ? |
| 12:22.37 | rwhitby | mickeyl: is there a good phone with keyboard (like Treo650 form-factor) which would run the freesmartphone.org framework (including GSM) ? |
| 12:22.53 | rwhitby | (or any other linux framework including GSM support) |
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| 12:27.07 | cr2 | rwhitby: hw6915 ? but the gsm is not tested there afair |
| 12:31.31 | mickeyl | rwhitby: none -- the keyboard is the dealbreaker |
| 12:32.06 | mickeyl | next phones that are supported by FSO are the openezx ones |
| 12:32.14 | mickeyl | and if someone sends patches, the HTC ones |
| 12:32.28 | mickeyl | since these are the two where we have enough linux support |
| 12:32.35 | mickeyl | other's i'm not sure atm. |
| 12:32.38 | rwhitby | hmm - I process over 200 mailing list emails per day on the treo, so a physical keyboard is a must for it's replacement ... |
| 12:32.50 | mickeyl | i can imagine |
| 12:32.58 | mickeyl | I'd love to have a keyboard as well |
| 12:33.21 | mickeyl | the n810 could've been that, _if_ it had gsm |
| 12:33.45 | cr2 | lol |
| 12:34.15 | cr2 | mickeyl: nokia is so obsessed with omap... |
| 12:34.27 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:34.41 | mickeyl | well, looks like they get umts in the next gen |
| 12:34.44 | mickeyl | probably only data thoguh |
| 12:34.46 | rwhitby | cr2: thx for the hw6915 link - pity it's only 240x240 |
| 12:35.31 | cr2 | rwhitby: it's a bit obsolete too. |
| 12:35.52 | rwhitby | some of the android demo handsets look interesting - hopefully there will be enough kernel information about them to port |
| 12:36.09 | rwhitby | there was a photo of a white one with a Treo650 form factor which looked nice |
| 12:36.23 | cr2 | rwhitby: msm is a pita, because there are no cpu docs. |
| 12:37.00 | rwhitby | true, but I'm expecting more than msm for the second round of android handsets |
| 12:37.17 | cr2 | i doubt it. |
| 12:37.18 | rwhitby | (but I could easily be disappointed) |
| 12:37.36 | rwhitby | you don't expect any omap android handsets? |
| 12:37.37 | cr2 | which other cpu/combo one can use ? |
| 12:38.15 | cr2 | motorola/freescale maybe, but they have other problems. |
| 12:39.55 | cr2 | mickeyl: is the gps on a780 supported in any reasonable way ? |
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| 12:40.25 | cr2 | i#m thinking about htc raphael as an a780 replacement. |
| 12:41.11 | cr2 | hmm, but it#s not going to be easy and easy job to adapt copilot for qtopia4 ;-) |
| 12:41.23 | rwhitby | http://www.techchee.com/tmp/Google%20Android%20Prototype%20181207.jpg is the form factor I'm talking about |
| 12:41.27 | mickeyl | cr2: absolutely. |
| 12:41.39 | mickeyl | cr2: we're bringing sanity to insanity |
| 12:41.44 | mickeyl | gps can only be queried by AT commands |
| 12:41.53 | mickeyl | but the framework will hide that |
| 12:42.10 | mickeyl | note the "will" |
| 12:42.14 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:42.22 | cr2 | mickeyl: what if i'll resolder gps from BP uart2 to stuart ? |
| 12:42.30 | mickeyl | cr2: heh |
| 12:42.33 | mickeyl | you're crazy |
| 12:42.45 | cr2 | no, i just need the firmware |
| 12:42.47 | mickeyl | i doubt it'll be that easy |
| 12:43.14 | mickeyl | there's no problem in gps over AT |
| 12:43.19 | mickeyl | just we need the glue |
| 12:43.32 | cr2 | i have problems when using the old battery as gps |
| 12:43.47 | cr2 | s/as /with / |
| 12:43.59 | tsdogs | paulproteus: is gitweb up? |
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| 12:44.26 | cr2 | the battery is fully charged, but gps does not work for some reason, or LTE does not let it to work. |
| 12:44.45 | tsdogs | paulproteus: never mind, it's slow but it works :) |
| 12:45.24 | cr2 | mickeyl: is there any information about the mg4100 firmware or where it's located ? |
| 12:45.35 | mickeyl | unfortunately not at all |
| 12:45.40 | cr2 | ok. |
| 12:46.13 | cr2 | maybe i'd just spy on the BP uart2 data traffic. |
| 12:47.04 | cr2 | bbl |
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| 12:49.41 | skiwithpete | hi everybody |
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| 15:07.42 | kiozen | cr2: added trackpoint selection via rectangle to GT |
| 15:11.51 | kiozen | BabelO: I have created the extended fucntion menu for your ocr stuff |
| 15:14.56 | BabelO | kiozen: ok perfect i svn up, and look hw to add my stuff and how to get map bitmap tthis way |
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| 16:28.28 | dcordes | http://www.itproportal.com/articles/2008/09/18/will-asus-morph-googles-android-smartphone-saerch-giants-first-laptop/ part of the plot |
| 16:28.44 | dcordes | :D |
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| 16:31.04 | SanMehat | hola |
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| 17:12.25 | Mrbug | hows the dev coming on? any luck in booting on diamond? |
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| 18:11.36 | webPragmatist | i wish i could help on dev :\ |
| 18:11.48 | webPragmatist | about the only thing I know how to do is apt-get when it comes to linux heh |
| 18:12.09 | webPragmatist | and configure cron and web stuff |
| 18:31.03 | marajin | hey SanMehat |
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| 20:52.10 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 20:52.18 | cr2 | Detected machine Generic ARM v6/generic (Plat='PocketPC' OEM='HTC Touch Pro T7272') |
| 20:56.17 | NetRipper | yep |
| 20:56.21 | NetRipper | it's funny |
| 20:56.54 | NetRipper | there are three methods of framebuffer detection |
| 20:57.07 | NetRipper | getrawframebuffer, gapi and gxinfo |
| 20:57.57 | NetRipper | gapi and gxinfo return the same fb address |
| 20:58.04 | NetRipper | getrawframebuffer returns adifferent fb address |
| 20:58.38 | NetRipper | swapping to the gapi method makes the screen black, except for the progress bar that loads the kernel |
| 20:58.47 | NetRipper | the getrawframebuffer method does nothing |
| 20:59.41 | NetRipper | im wondering if the kernel actually is started, but it just doesn't output as it has no control over video |
| 20:59.44 | cr2 | getrawframebuffer ia the right one |
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| 21:00.09 | cr2 | gapi should use older extescape |
| 21:00.57 | NetRipper | mm ok but i see more results using gapi then getrawframebuffer, though it might just be coincedence |
| 21:02.27 | cr2 | there are some interesting logical groups in 'dump mmu' |
| 21:02.37 | webPragmatist | english! :) |
| 21:03.32 | NetRipper | i have no experience reading results of dump mmu |
| 21:03.41 | NetRipper | i made a dump but no idea how to interpret it |
| 21:04.44 | cr2 | playsound does not work ? |
| 21:04.53 | cr2 | setlcd works |
| 21:05.09 | NetRipper | setlcd works yes |
| 21:05.11 | cr2 | pwrctl bkl1: works |
| 21:05.13 | NetRipper | didnt try playsound |
| 21:05.40 | cr2 | HaRET(5)# print "%x" VRAMM |
| 21:05.41 | cr2 | 1666a000M |
| 21:06.36 | NetRipper | yea that's what getrawframebuffer returns |
| 21:06.45 | NetRipper | er |
| 21:06.49 | NetRipper | no its not |
| 21:06.54 | NetRipper | Video Phys FB=1626a000 Fonts=237d6064 |
| 21:07.14 | NetRipper | and gapi says: Video Phys FB=16244800 Fonts=229bf064 |
| 21:07.37 | cr2 | forget gapi |
| 21:07.41 | NetRipper | oki hehe |
| 21:07.42 | cr2 | manila.exe ?!? |
| 21:08.00 | NetRipper | er? |
| 21:08.21 | NetRipper | (you a mind reader? it just crashed on my phone) |
| 21:08.30 | cr2 | very important program in background. AlbumSearcher.exe |
| 21:08.46 | cr2 | wtf is manila.exe ? |
| 21:08.54 | NetRipper | manila is the touchflo 3d |
| 21:09.06 | NetRipper | or well, part of it |
| 21:09.13 | NetRipper | manila is the theming part i believe |
| 21:09.21 | cr2 | Biotouch.exe ? |
| 21:09.28 | NetRipper | that's for scrolling with finger afaik |
| 21:10.15 | NetRipper | you afraid an app causes memory reads while haret is busy doing its thing? |
| 21:10.18 | NetRipper | memory writes* |
| 21:10.20 | cr2 | smd.dll smem.dll |
| 21:10.27 | NetRipper | dont know them |
| 21:10.34 | cr2 | these are ok |
| 21:10.38 | cr2 | dsm.dll |
| 21:10.43 | cr2 | need to check this one |
| 21:10.56 | NetRipper | check it for what |
| 21:11.03 | cr2 | wce_pmem.dll |
| 21:11.06 | cr2 | lol |
| 21:11.27 | cr2 | windiag.dll and errorfatal.dll |
| 21:11.38 | cr2 | hehe, i forgot it's wince |
| 21:11.44 | NetRipper | lol |
| 21:12.16 | cr2 | oem_miscis ok. |
| 21:12.35 | NetRipper | btw, what ramaddr and ramsize are you using on your tests? |
| 21:12.59 | NetRipper | im using MTYPE 1439, RAMSIZE 0x8000000 |
| 21:13.10 | NetRipper | and ramaddr 0x10000000 |
| 21:13.19 | cr2 | noone, i don#t boot |
| 21:13.34 | NetRipper | oh you're just debugging |
| 21:13.35 | NetRipper | :) |
| 21:13.41 | cr2 | it does not make sense, before the gpio layout is sorted out. |
| 21:13.47 | NetRipper | im more trial and guess :P |
| 21:13.49 | NetRipper | eh |
| 21:13.52 | NetRipper | trial and error |
| 21:14.13 | cr2 | you'll fail to boot anyway, so why waste the time ? |
| 21:14.30 | NetRipper | im a noob on this os level |
| 21:14.31 | cr2 | btw, what is "navi" ? |
| 21:14.40 | NetRipper | .exe? no idea |
| 21:15.12 | cr2 | how does the central round button operate ? |
| 21:15.24 | cr2 | ahi2dati.dll, that's something for haret... |
| 21:15.25 | NetRipper | there are three touch sensors behind those |
| 21:15.47 | NetRipper | the lefthand part, the middle part and the right part all have touch sensors |
| 21:16.09 | cr2 | nothing is traceable, because the gpios are wrong, probably. |
| 21:16.16 | cr2 | 3 sensors in one line ? |
| 21:16.28 | cr2 | sensors = buttons ? |
| 21:16.37 | NetRipper | no apart from the buttons |
| 21:16.50 | NetRipper | like the home button and the pickup button are two hardware buttons |
| 21:16.54 | NetRipper | but they also have a touch sensor |
| 21:17.04 | NetRipper | there is htc debug software that shows it |
| 21:17.16 | cr2 | hmm. sounds complicated. |
| 21:17.22 | NetRipper | let me find the youtube |
| 21:17.38 | cr2 | the +, - and power are hw buttons ? |
| 21:17.41 | NetRipper | the buttom area of the phone is divided into three touch areas |
| 21:17.49 | NetRipper | yes they are |
| 21:18.37 | NetRipper | the 'home' 'hangup' 'pickup' 'back' and round button also have "clicks", so they're probably also hardware buttons |
| 21:19.11 | cr2 | ok, but how they detect the "touch" ? |
| 21:19.34 | NetRipper | there are seperate sensors |
| 21:19.50 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 21:20.05 | cr2 | are they handled by a .dll or by the wince kernel... |
| 21:20.41 | NetRipper | don't know |
| 21:20.54 | NetRipper | probably dll |
| 21:21.05 | NetRipper | i can dbug the app and check imports |
| 21:21.17 | cr2 | which app ? |
| 21:21.27 | NetRipper | just a sec |
| 21:21.58 | NetRipper | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool |
| 21:22.52 | NetRipper | navdbgtool.exe |
| 21:22.57 | NetRipper | there's a screenshot |
| 21:24.11 | cr2 | is there a source for these tools ? |
| 21:24.27 | cr2 | ok... |
| 21:24.33 | cr2 | so this is the 'navi' |
| 21:25.14 | NetRipper | no, no source |
| 21:25.25 | dcordes_ | cr2, others: hi |
| 21:25.45 | cr2 | light sensor ? |
| 21:25.48 | cr2 | dcordes_: hi |
| 21:25.54 | NetRipper | hi |
| 21:26.02 | NetRipper | yes there's a light sensor |
| 21:26.14 | NetRipper | just beside the front speaker |
| 21:26.25 | cr2 | ADC or 1/0 ? |
| 21:26.41 | NetRipper | no idea |
| 21:26.49 | NetRipper | dont even know what ADC means |
| 21:26.55 | NetRipper | but probably a range |
| 21:27.10 | cr2 | AnalogDigitalConverter |
| 21:27.38 | dcordes_ | cr2, others: hi |
| 21:27.38 | cr2 | so you get the brightness as output voltage, not just light/dark |
| 21:27.40 | NetRipper | well there are multiple values for the light sensor, it's not just two settings |
| 21:27.49 | NetRipper | yes you get a variable number |
| 21:27.56 | cr2 | ok, so it may be an ADC |
| 21:28.14 | dcordes_ | there is something in the wiki about raphael sensors, including light sensors |
| 21:28.14 | NetRipper | there is a C# SDK for the light sensor |
| 21:28.28 | NetRipper | also SDK for g-sensor |
| 21:28.31 | cr2 | a c dll ? |
| 21:28.32 | NetRipper | and another one |
| 21:28.40 | NetRipper | i think it imports from existing dll's |
| 21:28.45 | NetRipper | haven't checked it out yet |
| 21:28.59 | cr2 | g-sensor has the datasheet and is controlled over i2c. it#s not very interesting. |
| 21:30.35 | cr2 | heh, i get 54mbit tx, and 1mbit rx |
| 21:32.36 | NetRipper | what are the gpio's responsible for? actually turning off the hardware? |
| 21:33.18 | NetRipper | in haret you just put a list of gpios.. what does it do with it |
| 21:33.38 | cr2 | alt functions are just cpu IO pins for SD , i2c and such. |
| 21:34.19 | cr2 | normal gpios may do everything |
| 21:35.43 | NetRipper | so how does haret know what to do with the memory addresses |
| 21:35.51 | NetRipper | it just sets them to 0 to turn off the hardware behind it? |
| 21:36.15 | NetRipper | (or am i too simple-minded now) |
| 21:37.24 | cr2 | yes, they are just sotfware-controlled switches, or inputs. |
| 21:37.51 | NetRipper | ok |
| 21:38.16 | NetRipper | and i assume it takes disassembly or a datasheet to find the gpio addresses |
| 21:39.04 | cr2 | yes. since we don#t have the last, we need the first |
| 21:40.29 | NetRipper | ok |
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| 21:41.57 | NetRipper | so the cpu may have several gpio's to exchange data with, for example, the sdcard reader... and also have a gpio for specific hardware buttons |
| 21:42.31 | NetRipper | so doesn't it come down to disassembling the SPL? |
| 21:42.43 | cr2 | yes, unless they have some microcontroller, which uses spi or such |
| 21:43.06 | cr2 | SPL may be limited in hardware control |
| 21:43.15 | cr2 | it depends on the SPL and model |
| 21:43.56 | NetRipper | spl could at least read hardware buttons (reset, volume up and down, and at least diamond's can even read from sd card) |
| 21:44.06 | NetRipper | er |
| 21:44.11 | NetRipper | diamond has no sd card |
| 21:44.18 | NetRipper | im confused with another device.. |
| 21:44.27 | NetRipper | or maybe internal memory |
| 21:44.29 | cr2 | wifi ? |
| 21:44.41 | cr2 | raph100 has sd |
| 21:44.50 | cr2 | the first slot is sd, the second one is wifi |
| 21:45.05 | NetRipper | yes but i read on diamond forums that there was an alternative way of flashing by putting the image on internal memory and holding some buttons |
| 21:45.12 | NetRipper | it'd flash from internal memory instead of via usb |
| 21:45.46 | cr2 | then you need to find out how the nand is partitioned. |
| 21:46.58 | NetRipper | well that's probably known as the kitchens are based use that knowledge to convert raw dumps to flashable content |
| 21:47.02 | NetRipper | if im correct |
| 21:47.18 | NetRipper | -"are based" |
| 21:47.19 | NetRipper | :) |
| 21:47.52 | cr2 | i think only SPL knows where to flash what. |
| 21:48.17 | cr2 | or maybe it uses some .nbh offsets |
| 21:48.48 | cr2 | btw, there is gxdma.dll |
| 21:50.45 | cr2 | EncFiltLog.menc what's that ? |
| 21:51.21 | NetRipper | sounds like a encoder filter, i.e. for video recording |
| 21:52.26 | cr2 | dumped the sram, and can see my spl |
| 21:52.32 | NetRipper | hm |
| 21:52.38 | NetRipper | sounds like sd card encryption |
| 21:52.49 | NetRipper | after checking google |
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| 21:54.42 | cr2 | 3 lcds |
| 21:54.43 | NetRipper | you can probably ignore it |
| 21:54.54 | cr2 | toppoly, hitachi, sharp |
| 21:54.55 | NetRipper | the .menc file |
| 21:55.57 | NetRipper | the navdbgtool.exe is using htcapi.dll which exports HTCNav* functions |
| 21:56.21 | cr2 | [K] Wakeup by HTC Navi |
| 21:56.33 | cr2 | HTC Navi: + ReadDataFromPSOC in Kernel |
| 21:56.46 | cr2 | PSOC is probably this ATMEGA48/88 |
| 21:57.18 | cr2 | what is 169.254.53.135 ? |
| 21:57.49 | NetRipper | (an ip address?) |
| 21:58.05 | NetRipper | it's in the range of windows, when it cannot contact a dhcp server |
| 21:58.57 | NetRipper | in better english: when a network card in windows has dhcp enabled, but a dhcp server cannot be contacted, it assigns an ip address in the range of 169.254.0.0/24 |
| 21:59.02 | NetRipper | /16 i mean |
| 21:59.49 | NetRipper | how do you get to the ATMEGA48/88? |
| 21:59.54 | dcordes_ | cr2: kaiser also produces the enc file on my vfat partition. |
| 22:01.06 | cr2 | dcordes_: fscking DRM |
| 22:01.27 | marajin | heh |
| 22:01.43 | marajin | what's it gotta do with drm? |
| 22:02.03 | marajin | besides, I've got the file before, I deleted it and it causes no noticeable problems, though it just recreates IIRC |
| 22:02.32 | NetRipper | as far as I understand its used for file system encryption in wm 6.1 |
| 22:03.09 | NetRipper | i need a beer |
| 22:03.10 | marajin | could be I guess, since I dun' use encryption in WM |
| 22:03.24 | marajin | NetRipper: I hear ya but I'm not allowed alcohol :( damned pills |
| 22:03.28 | cr2 | A has one more gpio bank |
| 22:03.33 | cr2 | [K] Output_Level5 (107..121) --- Addr=0x%x, Val=0x%x |
| 22:03.46 | cr2 | and gpio106 |
| 22:06.25 | cr2 | i like htc, for leaving all this debug info :) |
| 22:06.25 | NetRipper | 106 being an offset from a base gpio address?) |
| 22:06.35 | NetRipper | lol yes |
| 22:06.54 | NetRipper | noticed that as well when debugging the htccamera dll |
| 22:07.23 | cr2 | NetRipper: the bank is a register, and they have strange layout, documented in KaiserMemoryMap for 7200 CPU |
| 22:07.39 | cr2 | we need to document 7201A |
| 22:10.12 | cr2 | dcordes_: 15 more gpios, i need to recheck the addresses too. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Raphael_GPIO |
| 22:10.25 | NetRipper | and basically what is required before linux can be attempted? |
| 22:11.21 | cr2 | to check/document the gpio and VIC, and merge the relevant halibut and kaiser parts. |
| 22:11.26 | NetRipper | so with gpio106 you refer to the bank 4 position 11? |
| 22:11.43 | cr2 | yes, bit 11 in bank4 |
| 22:11.50 | NetRipper | but they can boot vogue/kaiser without knowing VIC |
| 22:12.01 | cr2 | no |
| 22:12.03 | NetRipper | or that's what the author of that vogue linux page mentions in his comments |
| 22:12.05 | NetRipper | they leave it on |
| 22:12.25 | cr2 | they modified the halibut code, in some parts substantially |
| 22:12.55 | NetRipper | oh i misread, they keep the MMU on |
| 22:13.00 | cr2 | the android codebase hides the GPIO control, pretending it's be done by arm9 only over rpc. |
| 22:13.48 | NetRipper | heh out of convinience |
| 22:14.08 | cr2 | so we can't just take any of these codebases, we need to merge the relevant vogue/kaiser bits into halibut codebase. |
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| 22:14.35 | webPragmatist | how is everything going guys? |
| 22:14.41 | webPragmatist | any new progress with andoid? |
| 22:14.42 | webPragmatist | roid* |
| 22:14.53 | NetRipper | halibut is raph's platform? |
| 22:14.54 | cr2 | webPragmatist: it's kernel development |
| 22:15.16 | webPragmatist | cr2: any luck getting sound to work and stuff on kaiser? |
| 22:15.23 | cr2 | i.e. completely android-independent. |
| 22:15.34 | webPragmatist | well slightly :) |
| 22:16.03 | cr2 | hehe, does the sound work on vogue ? |
| 22:16.08 | webPragmatist | not sure |
| 22:16.24 | webPragmatist | vogue is the same hardware? |
| 22:16.51 | cr2 | 7500 vs 7200 |
| 22:16.56 | cr2 | CDMA vs. WCDMA |
| 22:17.16 | cr2 | WCDMA/GSM |
| 22:17.42 | tmzt_ | cr2: swetland said last week that mmu could be disabled if the mappings were right |
| 22:19.13 | webPragmatist | cr2: but that deals with just the connecting to the wireless network i thought? |
| 22:19.18 | NetRipper | so there may be a problem in haret with translating virt -> phys? |
| 22:19.19 | webPragmatist | cr2: not really sound drivers |
| 22:19.32 | cr2 | tmzt_: there is nothing wrong in reusing wince mapping on raph/diamond |
| 22:20.13 | cr2 | tmzt_: because linux will create something similar. kaiser is more tricky, because it puts the FB at the beginning of SDRAM |
| 22:20.32 | tmzt_ | I think it was an issue with video being discussed |
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| 22:21.51 | cr2 | it will be easier to control video (LCD) on A cpu, because of the halibut code. |
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| 22:22.11 | cr2 | we just need to undestand what wince is doing there. |
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| 22:24.21 | tmzt_ | &day=11 13:34 swetland dcordes: actually they can do IO with the mmu off |
| 22:25.08 | cr2 | even if the cpu could not, it's easy to do a workaround |
| 22:25.45 | cr2 | afair, alpha could not, so the linux bootloader created an 1:1 mapping. |
| 22:28.03 | NetRipper | 23:05:41 < cr2> HaRET(5)# print "%x" VRAMM |
| 22:28.03 | NetRipper | 23:05:41 < cr2> 1666a000M |
| 22:28.13 | NetRipper | what device are you using? |
| 22:28.20 | cr2 | raph100 |
| 22:28.22 | NetRipper | it's giving a different value for me |
| 22:29.02 | NetRipper | i dont get to see my model code, it's identified as 'HTC Touch Pro T7272' |
| 22:29.21 | NetRipper | (and it's VRAM and not VRAMM, right?) |
| 22:29.32 | cr2 | ^M came from telnet |
| 22:29.34 | NetRipper | ah ok |
| 22:30.14 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=DiamondMemoryMap says 0x1666a000 too |
| 22:30.45 | cr2 | SERIAL_UART3 ... |
| 22:30.58 | cr2 | uart2 is used for BT. what is uart3... |
| 22:31.16 | NetRipper | gps? |
| 22:31.26 | cr2 | no. |
| 22:31.32 | cr2 | magic SYSINTR_55 |
| 22:31.38 | cr2 | here too |
| 22:32.07 | cr2 | i've dumped the first 16MB A |
| 22:32.09 | cr2 | RAM |
| 22:32.17 | cr2 | and rung strings. |
| 22:32.25 | cr2 | wince ekrnel is at the beginning. |
| 22:32.50 | tmzt_ | is SERIAL_UART3 from wince, and do they start at 1 or 0? |
| 22:33.25 | cr2 | there are 3 uarts |
| 22:33.33 | cr2 | [D:BT] |
| 22:33.33 | cr2 | [D:SER] |
| 22:34.10 | NetRipper | playsound works btw ;p |
| 22:34.28 | cr2 | i don't see any traces of CPLD. |
| 22:34.41 | cr2 | with extra 15 gpios it may be unnecessary. |
| 22:35.11 | NetRipper | it may just be kernel support for a 3rd uart, without actually having one? |
| 22:35.23 | NetRipper | thus popping up in the kernel |
| 22:35.40 | tmzt_ | did you find that PSOC thing? |
| 22:36.20 | cr2 | hm, found cpld. but only some cached values |
| 22:37.43 | cr2 | * WARNING: The debugger may contain inaccurate data. |
| 22:37.53 | cr2 | For more information, see the Knowledge Base article at |
| 22:38.04 | cr2 | * http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=103288 |
| 22:38.49 | cr2 | __TFAT_HIDDEN_ROOT_DIR__ |
| 22:39.56 | NetRipper | sounds exciting |
| 22:42.17 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.24 | cr2 | looks the same |
| 22:43.13 | cr2 | 1e224 is the response channel |
| 22:46.24 | cr2 | yes, looks like the diamond |
| 22:47.35 | dcordes_ | NetRipper: do you have the raph? |
| 22:47.41 | NetRipper | yes |
| 22:48.00 | dcordes_ | (didnt read log I'm im 3x6 font console |
| 22:48.06 | NetRipper | hehe |
| 22:48.15 | dcordes_ | on kais |
| 22:48.32 | NetRipper | putty/irssi? ;) |
| 22:48.59 | dcordes_ | ssh. |
| 22:49.56 | dcordes_ | on 2.6.25 with angstrom |
| 22:50.03 | NetRipper | oh nice |
| 22:50.28 | NetRipper | my only other phone i got is the htc hermes, but no linux for that |
| 22:50.46 | NetRipper | well, kernel booted, and could access with usb, that's it |
| 22:51.02 | dcordes | yea the bad ati chip, right |
| 22:51.15 | NetRipper | hehe yes, for one |
| 22:51.15 | dcordes | no sd no modem etc |
| 22:51.19 | NetRipper | indeed |
| 22:52.09 | dcordes | so how is the raphael hardware? can you suggest it? |
| 22:52.25 | cr2 | dcordes: modem should not be a problem on hermes |
| 22:52.39 | cr2 | and bt. and ir |
| 22:52.56 | NetRipper | at least SD and keyboard were not working, so it was kind of given up |
| 22:52.59 | cr2 | the serial clock setup needs some fixes. |
| 22:53.16 | dcordes | snand? |
| 22:53.22 | cr2 | keyboard should work with the 2.6.2x kernel by Kevin2 |
| 22:53.24 | NetRipper | dcordes, any specific info you're looking for on the raph? :) |
| 22:53.35 | cr2 | nand is weird. |
| 22:54.06 | NetRipper | kevin2 worked on hermes or other similar hardware? |
| 22:54.20 | dcordes | NetRipper: yes, your very personal impression :) |
| 22:55.12 | NetRipper | well, personally i'm loving it.. i'm not one of the people with problems with the device |
| 22:55.15 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 22:55.40 | NetRipper | only thing im a bit disappointed about is the performance of the device.. windows is just as sluggish as my old htc wizard (200mhz omap) |
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| 22:56.02 | NetRipper | but im hoping elite project rom will fix that... already running a rom that's faster than the stock |
| 22:56.18 | NetRipper | g-sensor is alot of fun as well |
| 22:56.27 | NetRipper | and i primarily got it for keyboard and gps |
| 22:56.42 | cr2 | NetRipper: googlemaps ? |
| 22:56.50 | NetRipper | using tomtom at the moment |
| 22:56.54 | dcordes | NetRipper: yea. many people think the homescreens change things a lot |
| 22:57.14 | NetRipper | dcordes, takes a lot out of performance you mean? |
| 22:57.18 | cr2 | hehe. i've seen a cab at install |
| 22:57.34 | NetRipper | google maps is working fine btw, just not tried it with gps yet |
| 22:57.36 | cr2 | i'll prefer roadmap. and M :) |
| 22:57.47 | NetRipper | M? |
| 22:57.59 | cr2 | GT/M |
| 22:58.11 | cr2 | http://qlandkarte.org |
| 22:58.23 | NetRipper | sounds german |
| 22:59.09 | NetRipper | looks nice but linux is not running on my raph yet..... ;) |
| 22:59.26 | NetRipper | oh |
| 22:59.28 | NetRipper | windows port |
| 22:59.52 | cr2 | not for M |
| 23:00.13 | NetRipper | For Windows you will need the FWTools package, That includes GDAL and Proj4. |
| 23:00.21 | NetRipper | probably to build |
| 23:00.22 | NetRipper | then |
| 23:00.42 | NetRipper | you got a link to roadmap? |
| 23:01.14 | Kevin2 | I have a hermes, but I haven't worked on it in a while. |
| 23:01.16 | NetRipper | ah got it |
| 23:01.18 | cr2 | sf.net/projects/roadmap |
| 23:01.25 | cr2 | it works on wince too |
| 23:01.53 | cr2 | heh. dow do i disable wifi ? |
| 23:02.16 | NetRipper | dcordes, btw, funny how i get half (or even quarter) of FPS when running tomtom on raph in comparison to my hermes |
| 23:02.26 | NetRipper | while that 400mhz samsung cpu really sucked ass |
| 23:02.32 | cr2 | hermes is better |
| 23:02.45 | NetRipper | how so? due to ati chip? |
| 23:03.04 | NetRipper | and what do you mean how to disable wifi, in windows mobile? ;) |
| 23:03.09 | cr2 | video on hermes is done by dedicated ati chip with it's own vram |
| 23:03.31 | cr2 | yeah, wince is not that user-friendly as they say. |
| 23:03.33 | NetRipper | hm i was just comforting myself by thinking it would be cos it's 480x640 instead of 320 |
| 23:03.58 | cr2 | microsoft direct push ;) |
| 23:04.34 | cr2 | one can remove a lot of junk from this device. |
| 23:04.52 | NetRipper | use comm manager to turn on/off wifi |
| 23:04.52 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 23:05.10 | cr2 | some evil spyware program wanted to get "weather" from internet too |
| 23:05.16 | NetRipper | lol |
| 23:05.17 | cr2 | yes, i've found it. |
| 23:05.24 | dcordes | NetRipper: no, you said windows is just as sluggish as it was before. and I mean, many people epxect this situation to change because the manufcaturer presents a fast home interface with nice eyecandy |
| 23:05.25 | NetRipper | you can disable that in touchflo config |
| 23:05.30 | pigeon | cr2: g'day, you're back! |
| 23:05.35 | dcordes | I mean the average customer |
| 23:05.54 | NetRipper | dcordes, well i mean when you disable touchflo, it's still sluggish.. but i think it's just windows mobile |
| 23:05.56 | cr2 | hi pigeon |
| 23:05.59 | NetRipper | not the cpu |
| 23:06.08 | dcordes | I got that, of course. |
| 23:06.15 | cr2 | NetRipper: it was the same on the universal |
| 23:06.24 | NetRipper | cr2, yea sluggish on there too |
| 23:06.44 | dcordes | cr2: you also have a raphael now? |
| 23:06.44 | NetRipper | kind of everywhere |
| 23:06.48 | cr2 | dcordes: yes :) |
| 23:07.14 | dcordes | nice |
| 23:07.15 | cr2 | dcordes: i needed some replacement for a780. |
| 23:07.25 | NetRipper | btw, on my raph, the "tweak settings" of file system cache are really shitty for response time |
| 23:07.36 | dcordes | cr2: something small that has gps? |
| 23:07.45 | cr2 | universal is a brick, and athena is even bigger. |
| 23:07.57 | cr2 | dcordes: yeah, something that can be used as a phone too |
| 23:08.15 | cr2 | dcordes: it's even a bit thinner than a780 |
| 23:08.48 | dcordes | I never had an a780 in my hand but seen the raphael on several different images and videos |
| 23:08.57 | cr2 | evil htc. why didn't they just ship raph100 with linux and qtopia like a780 ;-) |
| 23:09.13 | NetRipper | we'll steal linux from htc dream |
| 23:09.15 | NetRipper | :P |
| 23:09.19 | dcordes | as you said they want to go the moko way |
| 23:09.52 | dcordes | and I think that's because they want to do tryouts with a low cost device first |
| 23:10.01 | cr2 | a780 is the most cool linux phone. it's a pity motorola is such a weird company. |
| 23:10.24 | dcordes | I had a v525 once |
| 23:11.10 | cr2 | NetRipper: htc dream is a piece of shit compared to raph. there is no better way to present linux in a bad light. IMHO. |
| 23:11.46 | NetRipper | hardware-wise you mean? |
| 23:11.50 | dcordes | cr2: as long as the gui runs perfectly and you can make calls and texts.. |
| 23:11.51 | cr2 | yes |
| 23:11.52 | NetRipper | or the lack of software |
| 23:11.55 | NetRipper | ok |
| 23:12.31 | dcordes | cr2: the target customer is not a person that wants to compile Xorg on the dream |
| 23:12.55 | NetRipper | rofl |
| 23:13.04 | NetRipper | then how does it fulfill my dream.. |
| 23:13.04 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 23:13.10 | dcordes | ^^ |
| 23:13.31 | cr2 | dcordes: i want the same what they've done already 3 years ago |
| 23:13.44 | cr2 | with a780 |
| 23:14.34 | cr2 | nice fast phone, with gps/wifi/bt/hsdpa/et al. with linux and qtopia, and route planning software. |
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| 23:15.30 | cr2 | too bad, the greedy morons spoil it for three fscking years... |
| 23:16.15 | dcordes | aren't you positive about linux on the raphael? |
| 23:18.00 | dcordes | on the kaiser, qtopia would be no problem right now. |
| 23:18.16 | dcordes | only problem is the non-android use of msm_fb |
| 23:19.41 | cr2 | dcordes: qtopia is using the raw fb, so why it#s a problem ? |
| 23:20.07 | dcordes | cr2: I tried it. and it gives strange errors when I try to start the gui part |
| 23:20.13 | cr2 | dcordes: i think raph will be a very cool linux phone, like the universal was at its time. |
| 23:20.53 | cr2 | dcordes: we just need to put some effort into it. imho, it'll be easier to port than kaiser. |
| 23:21.09 | dcordes | because google uses A? |
| 23:21.14 | cr2 | yes |
| 23:21.24 | dcordes | either way I will also try and get one asap |
| 23:22.14 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:22.44 | NetRipper | you're convinced already dcordes? ;) |
| 23:22.58 | cr2 | imho, it's _the_ phone where linux should be ported first. |
| 23:23.28 | dcordes | NetRipper: I think so |
| 23:23.43 | dcordes | NetRipper: I already decided to get one of the 7201A htcs a week ago |
| 23:23.48 | NetRipper | ah |
| 23:24.15 | NetRipper | dream also has 7201a |
| 23:24.15 | NetRipper | ;) |
| 23:24.57 | dcordes | I must save some money first... dream is too shity as cr2 said, diamond has no sd, no keyboard. blackstone would be the only alterantive |
| 23:25.29 | NetRipper | didnt know about that one yet |
| 23:25.33 | dcordes | but I think I would miss the keyboard and it seems a bit too bulky |
| 23:25.51 | cr2 | 3.8" LCD |
| 23:26.05 | NetRipper | ah the HD |
| 23:26.06 | cr2 | but 480x800 |
| 23:26.13 | dcordes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eisadEADpwk |
| 23:26.24 | dcordes | yea HD |
| 23:26.26 | cr2 | it has no place for keyboard |
| 23:26.36 | NetRipper | didnt know it was named blackstone :) |
| 23:26.43 | cr2 | it#s just some ephone competitor. |
| 23:26.57 | dcordes | eiphone |
| 23:27.27 | cr2 | :) |
| 23:28.19 | cr2 | dcordes: lol, since it has fm radio, i'd report raph it to gez :) |
| 23:28.30 | dcordes | I will try and run qtopia on kaiser again tomorrow |
| 23:29.28 | dcordes | bbiab |
| 23:30.53 | cr2 | pigeon: what about old good sa1100 ? |
| 23:41.02 | cr2 | NetRipper: i think it#s necessary to document the pDriver area in wiki |
| 23:43.29 | cr2 | +0x844 is in5 |
| 23:47.37 | cr2 | uh, clrirqerr block is a real mess |
| 23:47.52 | NetRipper | er, ok |
| 23:48.18 | NetRipper | pdriver? |
| 23:48.56 | cr2 | yes, it's the internal wince kernel data structure |
| 23:49.06 | NetRipper | ah |
| 23:49.08 | cr2 | it#s partially documented for diamond |
| 23:49.35 | cr2 | but we may need some extra data. like the LCD panel type. |
| 23:52.31 | NetRipper | what wiki page is that documented in for diamond? |
| 23:52.54 | NetRipper | DiamondMemoryMap? |
| 23:52.56 | cr2 | yes |
| 23:53.54 | *** join/#htc-linux XAVIER (i=48dd7097@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-169e6249b00e2694) |
| 23:54.23 | XAVIER | Hello |
| 23:55.22 | NetRipper | hi |
| 23:55.48 | XAVIER | anyone here have a dash |
| 23:58.25 | cr2 | dash ? which cpu it has ? |
| 23:58.41 | NetRipper | rofl, and here i was trying to understand the "saying" |
| 23:58.52 | XAVIER | t-mo dash |
| 23:59.10 | XAVIER | sorry i thought this was a HTC channel |
| 23:59.21 | NetRipper | hehe it is |
| 23:59.29 | NetRipper | don't have it though |
| 23:59.55 | XAVIER | would anyone know how to change the IMEI on the dash? |
