| 00:00.28 | penguinz | every time the button is pressed that function is called, so i just set 2 input events so the input handler would see it as a "toggle" |
| 00:01.12 | penguinz | the result is you get an actual input character ever keypress, but it can now double input in the rare cases it actually worked previously |
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| 00:08.43 | ALoGeNo | hi there |
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| 00:56.33 | BruteSource | hey ali1234 how goes the tty stuffh |
| 00:56.40 | BruteSource | h/? |
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| 00:57.36 | BruteSource | hey babelo |
| 01:09.02 | druidu | does anybody know why compiling the kernel with frame pointer fucks up the kernel? |
| 01:09.18 | BruteSource | my client ucks |
| 01:09.26 | BruteSource | so does my keyboard lol |
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| 01:35.32 | bolly | dc do you get this offset prob when clicking the menu items |
| 01:35.39 | bolly | seems to be about an inch too high |
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| 02:02.47 | CVirus | Can any of the HTC devices sync with KDE ? |
| 02:02.54 | CVirus | with their stock OS installed |
| 02:16.01 | BruteSource | ali1234 you there? |
| 02:37.11 | CVirus | http://www.synce.org |
| 02:43.14 | BruteSource | whats that for? |
| 02:43.27 | CVirus | i think it answers my question |
| 02:43.59 | ali1234 | timing |
| 02:44.37 | BruteSource | ali1234 does linwizard have keyboard support for x? |
| 02:44.39 | BruteSource | yet |
| 02:44.50 | ali1234 | of course |
| 02:44.57 | BruteSource | like can you type into an xterm |
| 02:45.01 | ali1234 | yes |
| 02:45.10 | BruteSource | okay cause its not workng for us |
| 02:45.23 | penguinz | Was there any modification necessary to get that working? |
| 02:45.29 | ali1234 | it doesnt work in the gizard image because you cannot even open an xterm |
| 02:45.47 | BruteSource | ya we can |
| 02:45.50 | ali1234 | i dont think so |
| 02:46.12 | penguinz | i had xterm running on my phone earlier... |
| 02:46.15 | BruteSource | xinit && xterm |
| 02:46.27 | ali1234 | well, did you make sure the xterm had focus? |
| 02:46.33 | BruteSource | worked for him just couldnt type |
| 02:47.04 | BruteSource | what else would have focus if it was the only thing running in x |
| 02:47.08 | penguinz | Also, doesn't matchbox do something when you press letters corresponding to the categories? |
| 02:47.11 | ali1234 | the root window |
| 02:47.41 | BruteSource | or presing arrows or tab... |
| 02:47.45 | penguinz | Is there a way to change focus without a cursor device? |
| 02:47.57 | ali1234 | i knew you would ask that... no idea sorry |
| 02:48.46 | penguinz | kdrive also complained about lack of a keyboard driver when starting |
| 02:48.58 | penguinz | so that's why i thought it was possibly omitted |
| 02:49.08 | ali1234 | well that could have something to do with it |
| 02:49.24 | ali1234 | what image were you using? |
| 02:49.40 | BruteSource | ali1234 can you run xinit && xterm on your wizard and just try typing without using the touchscreen just to help us out please? |
| 02:49.41 | penguinz | whatever BruteSource posted |
| 02:49.53 | penguinz | that is the same initrd i'm using |
| 02:49.53 | ali1234 | sorry, what userspace? |
| 02:50.04 | ali1234 | yeah i'll give it a go |
| 02:50.11 | ali1234 | but my userspace is modified |
| 02:50.12 | BruteSource | thanks |
| 02:50.29 | ali1234 | based on gizard tho |
| 02:51.12 | penguinz | the one i have is 16,316kb dated 10/3/2008 |
| 02:51.21 | ali1234 | did you guys manage to boot using eol? |
| 02:51.24 | BruteSource | you built my kernel remember |
| 02:51.33 | ali1234 | right but not userspace |
| 02:51.51 | BruteSource | i dont even know hat that means.. initrd? |
| 02:51.58 | ali1234 | the kernel i built for you is identical to mine but with your patches, which are not enough to affect X |
| 02:51.59 | BruteSource | is that hat ya mean? |
| 02:52.06 | ali1234 | yes initrd |
| 02:52.45 | BruteSource | okay so penguinz could yo try his initrd? |
| 02:52.53 | ali1234 | ok its loading... keyboard does not work |
| 02:53.08 | ali1234 | and neither does mouse |
| 02:53.24 | ali1234 | (imean touch screen) |
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| 02:54.24 | ali1234 | you probably need to tell kdrive which /dev/input devices to use for kb/ts in some command line options |
| 02:54.30 | BruteSource | okay so x has no keyboard supprt |
| 02:54.40 | ali1234 | no, it does |
| 02:54.41 | BruteSource | or its focus |
| 02:54.46 | ali1234 | keyboard works fine if you use startx |
| 02:55.02 | ali1234 | the ts does also. but not if you run "xinit && xterm" |
| 02:55.22 | BruteSource | whats loads differently between startx and xinit? |
| 02:55.38 | penguinz | that's interesting... |
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| 02:55.50 | BruteSource | because tartx just gives us a black creen? |
| 02:55.53 | penguinz | so xinit is not loading the keyboard driver for some reason |
| 02:55.54 | BruteSource | startx |
| 02:56.29 | dcordes_ | hi there |
| 02:56.51 | dcordes_ | can somebody help with libproj4 installation process? |
| 02:57.00 | penguinz | startx wants to run the ts calibration program when i run it |
| 02:57.14 | dcordes_ | penguinz, what distro? |
| 02:57.26 | ali1234 | invoke X like this: |
| 02:58.18 | ali1234 | xinit -- -keybd keyboard,,device=/dev/event0 -keybd keyboard,,device=/dev/event2 && xterm |
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| 03:00.04 | dcordes_ | gizzard? |
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| 03:01.12 | dcordes_ | ali1234, do you sell robots? :=) |
| 03:01.22 | penguinz | yeah, i saw that, gonna try that now. |
| 03:02.16 | ali1234 | dcordes_: no but i know a guy who does |
| 03:02.45 | dcordes_ | barry? |
| 03:02.47 | ali1234 | penguinz: i just tried that cmdline and it worked here |
| 03:02.57 | ali1234 | dcordes_: yeah you know him too :) |
| 03:03.15 | BruteSource | nice |
| 03:03.40 | dcordes_ | ali1234, no. don't know him. don't want any trouble :) what robots? |
| 03:04.33 | dcordes_ | no qlandkarte/mapping people awake? |
| 03:04.39 | penguinz | that also worked for me, only thing that still is not working are directional arrows |
| 03:05.01 | penguinz | i was able to type chars into the xterm just fine! |
| 03:05.13 | BruteSource | ya i tink that problem lies in the marcos |
| 03:05.23 | ali1234 | penguinz: yeah they dont work for me either for some reason... dont think we got them working properly yet, at least not in the kernel version i have |
| 03:05.24 | BruteSource | macros |
| 03:05.38 | ali1234 | although the centre button works |
| 03:06.01 | dcordes_ | wizard seems quite usable these days |
| 03:06.01 | BruteSource | miknix was saying you guys had dpad working |
| 03:06.31 | ali1234 | yes in a newer version of the vode... i dont have it installed on my wizard... not sure if the version i sent to you has it or not |
| 03:06.41 | ali1234 | s/vode/code/ |
| 03:07.02 | ali1234 | it probably wouldnt work anyway though, if your egpio is different |
| 03:07.21 | BruteSource | ya but we could change it with ours |
| 03:07.39 | BruteSource | we need arrows even more since we have no touchscreen |
| 03:07.49 | ali1234 | use the keyboard arrows? |
| 03:08.10 | BruteSource | ya... |
| 03:08.19 | penguinz | i even mapped some known working keys on the omap-keypad but they dont work either |
| 03:08.32 | BruteSource | we tried mapping keyboard arrows to normal keys and that doesnt even work |
| 03:08.38 | BruteSource | ya hat he said |
| 03:08.54 | BruteSource | what |
| 03:09.11 | ali1234 | yeah well... you know how picky X can be with special keys, if you dont have exactly the right set up |
| 03:09.28 | ali1234 | the kb arrows also dont work for me when i run X directly |
| 03:09.43 | BruteSource | no ali1234 in a terminal |
| 03:10.02 | ali1234 | well... dont know about that |
| 03:10.07 | ali1234 | they should do |
| 03:10.21 | ali1234 | do you guys have usb/sd working? |
| 03:10.30 | penguinz | yes, both of those work fine |
| 03:10.35 | bolly | not me |
| 03:11.08 | BruteSource | wow now we can even use xterm this is exciting |
| 03:11.17 | bolly | yeah! |
| 03:11.23 | bolly | that's awesome |
| 03:11.33 | BruteSource | tmzt there seems to be confusion as to if we ven have an i2c bus |
| 03:11.56 | ali1234 | you definetly have an i2c bus. the question is, is there anything insteresting connected to it? |
| 03:12.13 | BruteSource | how do e have one for sure? |
| 03:12.18 | BruteSource | we |
| 03:12.25 | ali1234 | because it is part of the omap chip |
| 03:12.57 | BruteSource | hmm penguinz can you dump the i2ch |
| 03:13.10 | BruteSource | i2c? |
| 03:15.06 | ali1234 | dcordes_: don't you look at who is signing off your patches? ;) |
| 03:17.11 | BruteSource | hey ali1234 how is the tty stuff coming? or ar you still working on it? |
| 03:17.33 | ali1234 | i haven't even looked at it in ages |
| 03:17.58 | BruteSource | lol your our only hope at geting pppd.... |
| 03:18.01 | ali1234 | i think somebody is working on it though |
| 03:18.08 | BruteSource | so thats disapointing |
| 03:18.34 | BruteSource | oh i as told you ere it by miknix |
| 03:18.38 | BruteSource | was |
| 03:19.04 | BruteSource | omfg this keypad sucks! |
| 03:19.30 | BruteSource | I was told you were the only one working on it by miknix |
| 03:19.47 | ali1234 | i see... better get to it then i guess |
| 03:20.26 | tmzt | ali1234: the events aren't on /dev/console, or is that -keybd only needed for X? |
| 03:20.42 | ali1234 | tmzt: only for X afaik |
| 03:20.59 | ali1234 | tmzt: kdrive doesn't use /dev/console i guess |
| 03:23.18 | BruteSource | where did penguinz disapear to |
| 03:25.29 | penguinz | i had to download and compile i2cget for ARM |
| 03:25.32 | bolly | do you think it's possible mono apps can run under android |
| 03:26.22 | ali1234 | bolly: anything is possible but in practice i doubt it |
| 03:26.39 | bolly | i don't really understand how android works |
| 03:26.46 | bolly | is it a windowmanager |
| 03:26.57 | tmzt | it's not X based |
| 03:27.07 | bolly | i need to check out the sdk |
| 03:27.09 | ali1234 | bolly: no. android is a cut down jvm with custom stardard library |
| 03:27.21 | ali1234 | bolly: all running on top of a linux kernel |
| 03:27.29 | bolly | so android is just a java app running on top of linux |
| 03:27.33 | bolly | ok |
| 03:27.41 | ali1234 | bolly: more or less |
| 03:27.43 | bolly | so no reason why a java app couldn't launch a mono app? |
| 03:27.51 | bolly | somehow claim the screen |
| 03:28.10 | tmzt | you would need to bridge the protocols it uses for displaying graphics/handling events |
| 03:28.35 | ali1234 | mono is very similar to, but completely incomaptible with java |
| 03:28.36 | bolly | like incoming calls? |
| 03:28.51 | bolly | some sort of middleware between mono and java? |
| 03:28.58 | bolly | that mono could talk to |
| 03:29.02 | BruteSource | penguinz maybe we should start working with there most recent release and see if it makes a difference? |
| 03:29.06 | ali1234 | yes exactly. and that would be a really horrible task to program |
| 03:29.36 | tmzt | release of what? |
| 03:30.21 | BruteSource | he knows what i mean |
| 03:30.27 | BruteSource | the kernel |
| 03:30.32 | ali1234 | tmzt: linwizard i guess |
| 03:30.39 | BruteSource | ya |
| 03:30.40 | ali1234 | i guess i should stop saying i guess |
| 03:30.51 | BruteSource | lmao |
| 03:31.58 | BruteSource | just imagine a future where our typing accuracy depends on our fingernail length |
| 03:32.11 | bolly | rofl |
| 03:33.22 | BruteSource | thats why i make so many typos, i have been chewing them |
| 03:36.37 | BruteSource | so tmzt hows usb coming? |
| 03:37.44 | tmzt | I need to find the right addresses to trace |
| 03:38.00 | tmzt | and what irqs to ignore |
| 03:38.26 | BruteSource | im glad most of the stuff on my device already works |
| 03:38.43 | BruteSource | sounds like alot of work |
| 03:39.39 | BruteSource | ali1234 do you think your tty work when its done will work for excalibur as well? |
| 03:41.43 | ali1234 | yes, certainly. the existing driver works on every omap 850 device that it has been tried on |
| 03:41.58 | ali1234 | (with a few very small and easy changes) |
| 03:42.13 | tmzt | ali1234: what is the existing driver and how do you test it? |
| 03:42.23 | tmzt | ali1234: the at command interface |
| 03:43.14 | BruteSource | we havent tested tet |
| 03:43.48 | ali1234 | tmzt: the existing driver is almost identical to http://vivien.chappelier.free.fr/typhoon/gsm.html |
| 03:44.20 | ali1234 | all that changes is a few memory addresses which can easily be found in windows or linux |
| 03:44.45 | ali1234 | although tbh they probably didnt change at all |
| 03:45.49 | ali1234 | BruteSource: the kernel i compiled for you has the gsm driver as a module and i didnt send the module |
| 03:46.39 | BruteSource | well maybe penguin can test it sometime, since i hve no computer atm |
| 03:46.46 | BruteSource | penguinz |
| 03:49.17 | tmzt | ali1234: you don't need to gsm files to boot from haret? |
| 03:49.44 | BruteSource | i think he is looking through the i2c dump right now |
| 03:51.18 | penguinz | I ran i2cget and i2cdump both detected a single i2c bus |
| 03:51.37 | penguinz | I'm not quite sure what to do with them though to be honest. |
| 03:52.23 | BruteSource | maybe ali1234 knows |
| 03:53.01 | tmzt | did you find any chips? |
| 03:53.02 | ali1234 | tmzt: if you boot using haret then those files remain in memory. it's all explained on the link |
| 03:53.43 | ali1234 | tmzt: you can even save them from memory using linux. no need to extract them from the rom. that's how i got mine |
| 03:53.43 | tmzt | yeah, ok |
| 03:55.10 | penguinz | tmzt would it have listed the chips in addition to the bus? |
| 03:56.17 | ali1234 | penguinz: no, you must tell it what bus to scan |
| 03:56.59 | ali1234 | penguinz: try i2cdetect? |
| 03:58.30 | penguinz | I will do that, didn't copy that over earlier |
| 03:59.41 | ali1234 | http://pastebin.com/m244fd040 is an example output on my pc. the "30" and "57" indicates devices on that bus |
| 04:05.32 | ali1234 | it's possible that the i2c bus is not implemented as a dev-i2c (just like the gsm is not a tty) and so you might not get any results |
| 04:06.18 | penguinz | yeah, no results |
| 04:07.01 | ali1234 | there may also just be nothing connected to it |
| 04:10.24 | BruteSource | so we can be sure the dpad isnt on the i2c |
| 04:10.40 | ali1234 | not really |
| 04:11.52 | BruteSource | well how can we check for other implenmentations ? |
| 04:12.07 | ali1234 | it will either be on i2c or on a gpio |
| 04:12.20 | penguinz | i have it working off of gpios currently... |
| 04:12.33 | ali1234 | so then it's on gpio |
| 04:13.29 | BruteSource | ya ut the key_up down left right macros dont work no matter what they are maped to |
| 04:13.40 | BruteSource | but/ut |
| 04:13.45 | ali1234 | that has nothing to do with hardware |
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| 04:14.34 | BruteSource | not macros, whatever they are called |
| 04:15.09 | ali1234 | i know what you mean. it still doesnt have naything to do with hardware |
| 04:15.45 | penguinz | Do you have any ideas on where to look to fix that? |
| 04:16.44 | penguinz | showkeys reports the correct keycode when i press them so i'm really at a loss here. |
| 04:17.19 | ali1234 | but they stil dont work in the console? |
| 04:17.28 | penguinz | nope |
| 04:17.58 | ali1234 | well... i dont know, sorry |
| 04:18.03 | ali1234 | try a different initrd |
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| 04:26.13 | BruteFrce | what is going on here |
| 04:26.42 | BruteFrce | stupid phone |
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| 04:30.19 | BruteSource | penguinz for now can you build a kernel with the keyboard driver working for x? |
| 04:30.24 | tmzt | penguinz: can you try Angstrom or something else? |
| 04:31.07 | BruteSource | why? |
| 04:33.52 | penguinz | tmzt yeah, i thought of that, i think i need to apply jffs2 patches to the kernel first though |
| 04:33.54 | tmzt | ali1234 suggested trying a different initrd to see if the KEY_UP/KEY_DOWN events are delivered to userspace |
| 04:34.02 | tmzt | why? |
| 04:34.24 | tmzt | is nand mtd supported? |
| 04:35.32 | penguinz | no, but I thought i could just use a pre-built image that way rather than having to create a root filesystem myself |
| 04:36.44 | BruteSource | tmzt remember what happened when we tried a differnt inird.. it broke the ramdisk cause it didnt have squashfs |
| 04:37.00 | tmzt | don't know if jffs2 works with initrd/ramdisk, only mtd |
| 04:37.25 | tmzt | so you might have to use mtdblock to adapt it somehow |
| 04:38.25 | BruteSource | i dont understand the point of doing all this when the current inird works... |
| 04:38.32 | BruteSource | initrd |
| 04:38.59 | penguinz | nevermind, they also have plain tarballs of the filesystem |
| 04:39.35 | penguinz | i guess one from a pxa255 device would work such as poodle? |
| 04:42.27 | tmzt | it should |
| 04:43.06 | tmzt | you could make a ext2.gz or cpio.gz, but initramfs uses /init for init and initrd uses /linuxrc, unless you use init= |
| 04:53.57 | penguinz | yeah it is whining about /linuxrc |
| 04:56.12 | penguinz | the old image just had a symlink to busybox so i guess i'll do that |
| 05:09.30 | penguinz | "unable to open an initial console." gotta figure out how to fix that now. |
| 05:09.47 | BruteSource | did it work penguinz? |
| 05:11.33 | BruteSource | oh |
| 05:13.38 | tmzt | /dev/console |
| 05:14.19 | penguinz | it had sysvinit |
| 05:14.30 | penguinz | So i have updated my symlink |
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| 05:17.10 | ALoGeNoff | hey |
| 05:19.22 | tmzt | hi |
| 05:19.46 | tmzt | penguinz: I don't know what you are using but you still need the /dev/console device |
| 05:20.41 | penguinz | oh, i gotta make devicenodes for it or something? |
| 05:23.08 | tmzt | mkdev /mnt/dev/console c 5 1 |
| 05:23.11 | tmzt | mknod |
| 05:31.18 | penguinz | that worked but a lot of bad stuff happened |
| 05:51.46 | BruteSource | lol bad stuff |
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| 05:56.22 | BruteSource | tmzt so what exactly is he trying im confused as usual |
| 05:57.08 | BruteSource | penguinz my aim was aparently hacked cause i cant login, do you se any other messenger? |
| 05:57.14 | tmzt | classic troubleshooting, replace one part with another |
| 05:57.47 | BruteSource | but what is he attempting to do that needs troubleshooting? |
| 05:58.05 | penguinz | I think i have an msn account |
| 05:58.32 | tmzt | arrow keycodes aren't working even on working keys |
| 05:58.47 | BruteSource | ya i know that.... |
| 05:59.07 | BruteSource | but what did he do that worked but lots of ad tuff happened |
| 05:59.17 | BruteSource | bad stuff |
| 05:59.39 | BruteSource | my keypad in irc is horrible |
| 06:00.22 | tmzt | he wasn't very specific, so I don't know |
| 06:00.37 | penguinz | basically the angstrom image does not work, it wants to do very wierd things like move files around |
| 06:00.59 | tmzt | link busybox to /bin/sh |
| 06:01.04 | tmzt | create /dev/console |
| 06:01.09 | tmzt | init=/bin/sh |
| 06:01.27 | penguinz | ok, i'll try doing that |
| 06:01.33 | BruteSource | why are you trying the angstrom image? |
| 06:01.49 | penguinz | to see if it has the same behaviors |
| 06:02.00 | tmzt | to see if the problem is kernel or userspace |
| 06:02.02 | tmzt | and that |
| 06:04.14 | BruteSource | oh why not just try the basic htc omap kernel? |
| 06:08.30 | BruteSource | and how would the framebuffer work on another kernel? |
| 06:09.12 | penguinz | same results, direction keys do not move cursor or show console history |
| 06:09.57 | BruteSource | so now you have to build a new root? |
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| 06:28.02 | BruteSource | tmzt ya there? |
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| 16:00.54 | cr2 | hi |
| 16:07.01 | exco1 | hi |
| 16:08.07 | BabelO | hi |
| 16:08.49 | druidu | hello :D |
| 16:09.19 | druidu | cr2: any idea why C functions crash my kernel? |
| 16:09.36 | cr2 | BabelO: is it possible to compile a qt-wince roadmap ? there is a native version, but it'll be fun to compare :) |
| 16:09.46 | cr2 | druidu: you must be doing something wrong :) |
| 16:09.56 | druidu | like, compiling with FRAME_POINTERS (default option), functions do not properly restore LR => PC |
| 16:10.17 | druidu | the function prologue / epilogue seem broken |
| 16:10.21 | cr2 | 'bl' does it in hardware ? |
| 16:10.27 | BabelO | cr2: i can try, do you have the svn link ? |
| 16:11.05 | cr2 | BabelO: CVS. it may be tricky to compile though. |
| 16:12.06 | cr2 | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=74158 |
| 16:12.27 | druidu | yeah, bl set LR so MOV PC, LR works, but the push/pop code the kernel generates seems borken |
| 16:12.30 | druidu | *broken |
| 16:16.21 | druidu | cr2: http://pastebin.com/d2a96bb9c this is what crashes, smp_setup_processor_id is an empty function that won't return if called |
| 16:16.59 | druidu | problem is all functions use same init/cleanup code |
| 16:19.37 | cr2 | druidu: why do you think it crashes exactly here ? |
| 16:19.51 | druidu | last line of function |
| 16:19.58 | druidu | ldm sp, {fp, sp, pc} |
| 16:20.18 | druidu | I think it should be ldm fp, {fp, sp, pc} -- fp instead of sp |
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| 16:21.24 | druidu | because it pushes 4 values and pops 3, and I've seen some code on the net and in their examples, it is fp -- and it makes sense because they have fp = ip - 4 = initial_sp - 4 |
| 16:22.03 | druidu | http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/apcsintro.html |
| 16:24.26 | cr2 | druidu: never seen the push/pop used in non-thumb code ;) |
| 16:25.31 | cr2 | STMFD sp!, {fp,ip,lr,pc} |
| 16:25.35 | cr2 | this one is ok. |
| 16:25.44 | BabelO | cr2: how do you compile it ? |
| 16:25.57 | cr2 | BabelO: for qt4 ? |
| 16:26.05 | BabelO | cr2: yes |
| 16:26.16 | cr2 | BabelO: make DESKTOP=QT4 QTDIR=/usr |
| 16:26.27 | cr2 | make DESKTOP=WINCE |
| 16:26.44 | BabelO | hmm, ic ompile directly qt4 only |
| 16:26.46 | cr2 | for native wince. but you need cegcc then |
| 16:27.11 | cr2 | ok |
| 16:27.20 | cr2 | BabelO: win32 ? |
| 16:28.01 | BabelO | cr2: i m on my windows office coputer with wince + qtce |
| 16:28.19 | cr2 | ok |
| 16:28.37 | cr2 | i mean you can compile the qt-win32 version too. |
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| 16:29.58 | druidu | push / pop are just pseudo-instructions / aliases |
| 16:30.05 | druidu | they're not really instructions |
| 16:31.14 | druidu | the code is disassembled with objdump, same toolchain as it was used to generate it |
| 16:31.21 | cr2 | then it's not the objdump output |
| 16:31.26 | cr2 | hmm |
| 16:31.33 | druidu | btw, I use arm-2008q1 |
| 16:31.49 | druidu | prefix arm-none-linux-gnueabi |
| 16:32.06 | cr2 | druidu: can you pick the toolchain from qtopia.net ? |
| 16:32.33 | cr2 | because i use it, and never had any suck problems. |
| 16:32.45 | cr2 | s/suck/such/ |
| 16:34.08 | druidu | which one exactly? |
| 16:34.20 | druidu | Toolchain for n800 and n810 internet devices or Toolchain for Openmoko Neo 1973 and Freerunner ? |
| 16:34.46 | cr2 | Openmoko Neo 1973 and Freerunner |
| 16:35.20 | druidu | what about http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/ ? |
| 16:36.52 | ali1234 | i use the code sourcery arm-2008q1 and i never had any problems with it |
| 16:38.06 | druidu | eabi or gnulinux version? |
| 16:38.12 | druidu | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/portal/subscription?@template=lite |
| 16:38.41 | druidu | hmm, I guess linux, duh |
| 16:39.58 | cr2 | gnueabi |
| 16:40.19 | cr2 | it#s called arm920t |
| 16:40.51 | druidu | I think that's the host OS I needed to select |
| 16:41.17 | cr2 | the host os is linux-x86 |
| 16:54.13 | druidu | damn, I don't really know how to use git so it looks like a fucked something and gotta redownload everything :) |
| 16:54.35 | druidu | after doing git clone, how do you update it (check for new changes to the original) ? |
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| 17:34.51 | BabelO | kiozen: hi, are you around ? |
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| 17:57.30 | druidu | is it possible that the processor is in thumb mode or something? I found this thread: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2006-08/msg00131.html |
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| 18:11.44 | BruteFrce | tmzt ping |
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| 18:25.11 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO , my new laptop is outstanding :-) |
| 18:26.58 | goxboxlive | test |
| 18:27.21 | BabelO | goxboxlive: :) |
| 18:27.51 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i just setup WOL on my home computer, so i can start it from office when i want |
| 18:27.55 | goxboxlive | BabelO, i have even compiled a custom kernel for it. It was qiute easy in ubuntu |
| 18:28.35 | BabelO | goxboxlive: maybe but i still don't like unbuntu. it is easy in general, just a zcat /pro/config.gz > .config usaually |
| 18:28.39 | goxboxlive | BabelO, i want to do the same, but i dont know how. Anyway, my desktop pc is 24/7 machine anyway. |
| 18:29.14 | goxboxlive | BabelO, i am not using ubuntu basic, it,s a another gui fitted to minilaptops |
| 18:29.27 | goxboxlive | take a look at ubuntu-eee |
| 18:29.29 | BabelO | goxboxlive: simply activate wakeupon Pci event in the bios and ethtool -s eth0 wol g |
| 18:29.49 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes i see this distribution too |
| 18:30.46 | goxboxlive | ok so it's that easy to configure wol |
| 18:32.21 | goxboxlive | BabelO, how do i wake it up from my work computer? Just ssh the ip? |
| 18:32.30 | BruteFrce | why do you use ubuntu? |
| 18:32.54 | goxboxlive | BruteFrce, i am using it on my minilaptop. |
| 18:33.13 | goxboxlive | I have no idea how to add the gui i am using on top of Debian |
| 18:33.26 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: "path of least resistance" |
| 18:33.58 | goxboxlive | i tried out KDE but it was too slow and to big for the display size |
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| 18:35.45 | BabelO | goxboxlive: from office you have many solution |
| 18:36.17 | BabelO | goxboxlive: http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/ |
| 18:36.25 | BabelO | this an online solution |
| 18:36.41 | BabelO | or i ve a pocktpct application to wake up my computer too |
| 18:37.00 | BabelO | goxboxlive: anyway you need to check that your router accept wol packet |
| 18:37.01 | goxboxlive | :-) ok |
| 18:37.12 | goxboxlive | BabelO, i c |
| 18:39.21 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i ve switched mine to linux 64bit, OE is ok |
| 18:41.21 | goxboxlive | BabelO, is there any benefits? is it faster? what about qtopia compilation? |
| 18:41.49 | BabelO | i ve the dbus problem with angstrom toolchain i ve built |
| 18:42.50 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is strange, i read some website benchmark which says it is slower or same... and another which say it is 20% faster |
| 18:43.42 | dcordes | BabelO, how do you install libproj4? make gives me an .a package. what to do with it? |
| 18:44.50 | goxboxlive | i c, why did you change to the 64bit system then, if it's not faster. What is your experience? |
| 18:44.58 | BabelO | dcordes: ? i install it from Yast on opensuse :) |
| 18:45.35 | dcordes | BabelO, you never compiled it manually? |
| 18:45.49 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i reinstall a fresh opensuse 11.0 because i broke my partition playing with virtualbox raw disk access |
| 18:46.12 | BabelO | dcordes: yes i do it, i just do make install and it is enough |
| 18:46.56 | dcordes | make install puts libproj4.a into /usr/lib/ but qlandkarte does not like it |
| 18:47.31 | BabelO | dcordes: not like it to compile ? |
| 18:47.35 | BabelO | or to start ? |
| 18:47.49 | dcordes | compile. qlandkarte asks for libp4oj4 on make |
| 18:48.07 | BabelO | it look for projects.h too |
| 18:49.10 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:52.17 | dcordes | BabelO, my system has the following libproj4 files: /usr/bin/lproj /usr/lib/libproj4.a /usr/include/lib_proj.h |
| 18:54.52 | dcordes | BabelO, something wrong/missing? |
| 19:05.01 | BabelO | dcordes: i ve libproj.so and libgdal.so |
| 19:05.34 | BabelO | dcordes: and in /usr/include i ve projects.h and proj_api.h |
| 19:05.41 | BabelO | dcordes: what is your distrib ? |
| 19:05.54 | dcordes | debian |
| 19:06.26 | dcordes | I didn't get gdal |
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| 19:10.34 | dcordes | BabelO, only have http://members.verizon.net/~vze2hc4d/proj4/lbp4.3_20080728.tar.bz2 and compiled/installed it as described |
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| 19:12.30 | dcordes | BabelO, I wonder how you got libproj,so |
| 19:12.48 | dcordes | install: |
| 19:12.49 | dcordes | install -D libproj4.a $(LIB)/libproj4.a |
| 19:12.49 | dcordes | install -D lproj $(BIN)/lproj |
| 19:12.49 | dcordes | install -D lib_proj.h $(INC)/lib_proj.h |
| 19:13.17 | dcordes | that's the 3 files I get when I run make isntall inside the libproj4 source. |
| 19:14.37 | BabelO | dcordes: you download proj4-4.6.0 ? |
| 19:14.44 | BabelO | and you build dynamic ? |
| 19:15.03 | dcordes | lbp4.3_20080728.tar.bz2 |
| 19:16.07 | dcordes | BabelO, I don't know why, but now qlandkarte bootstrap.sh detected libproj well. I must have forgetten or misplaced one of the 3 files |
| 19:25.14 | dcordes | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext |
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| 19:30.47 | dcordes | kiozen, are you around? |
| 19:31.32 | BabelO | dcordes: your problem is debian specific |
| 19:35.08 | dcordes | BabelO, you know how to fix it other than installing opensuse? |
| 19:37.02 | BabelO | dcordes: don't install opensuse |
| 19:37.12 | BabelO | just use standard proj package |
| 19:37.36 | dcordes | do you think the -lXext problem is porj related? |
| 19:38.05 | BabelO | dcordes: do, you miss lot of header i think |
| 19:38.11 | BabelO | it is X11 header |
| 19:38.46 | dcordes | I have all libx11-dev, libxpm-dev etc packages installed |
| 19:41.20 | dcordes | I wonder why qlandkarte does configure well while I have several things missing |
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| 19:45.10 | BabelO | dcordesyou use cmake to configure ? |
| 19:45.40 | BabelO | dcordes: you speak about qlandkarte GT right ? |
| 19:46.54 | dcordes_ | no I use bootstrap.sh . I fetched from svn |
| 19:47.27 | BabelO | but you speak about GT ? |
| 19:47.31 | BabelO | then use cmake |
| 19:47.37 | dcordes_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:47.56 | dcordes_ | that's how I got my source. don't know if it's gt or something else |
| 19:49.31 | BabelO | dcordesit is qlandkarte not qlandkarte GT |
| 19:50.15 | BabelO | dcordes http://qlandkarte.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=4 |
| 19:51.35 | dcordes_ | ok thanks |
| 19:54.05 | cr2 | BabelO: i think kiozen wanted to merge qlandkarte into GT. eventually :) |
| 19:54.21 | BabelO | cr2: he already started, i see some garmin stuff |
| 19:56.36 | druidu | cr2 : actually, the problem seems to be something else, because same code runs in compressed kernel decompressing code |
| 19:56.38 | druidu | and works |
| 19:56.50 | dcordes_ | BabelO, ok I'm in cmake configure now. is PLOT_3d the fance new 3d thing? |
| 19:57.08 | druidu | anybody know what " cpsid i " does? |
| 19:57.13 | BabelO | dcordes yes |
| 19:59.06 | cr2 | druidu: does the zimage decompress ? |
| 19:59.59 | dcordes_ | is the following critical? "Policy CMP0005 is not set: Preprocessor definition values are now escaped autoamticcaly" |
| 20:00.14 | cr2 | dcordes_: no |
| 20:03.44 | dcordes | can PLOT_3D display aerial gps tracks? |
| 20:04.18 | BabelO | why not |
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| 20:06.26 | sirox | hi |
| 20:07.33 | sirox | has someone found a kernel in the android-dump of an g1 which is postet at the xda-developers forum ? |
| 20:08.37 | cr2 | sirox: link ? |
| 20:09.18 | sirox | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402002&page=31 |
| 20:10.03 | sirox | link of the dump : http://www.sendspace.com/file/b5jqzk |
| 20:12.41 | cr2 | Sorry, the free service is at full capacity. |
| 20:13.20 | cr2 | evil pirates :) |
| 20:13.30 | nebi | :) |
| 20:14.15 | dcordes | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdal hmmm |
| 20:14.19 | sirox | one moment |
| 20:15.05 | cr2 | sirox: dcc does not work |
| 20:15.12 | sirox | I'm uploading the file on rapidshare |
| 20:15.21 | dcordes | where must GDAL_INCLUDE point? |
| 20:15.37 | dcordes | it is /usr/include/gdal here and there are lots of gdal*.h inside |
| 20:15.56 | cr2 | ok |
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| 20:17.11 | dcordes | sirox, what in "Android dump.rar" ? only the kernel image? |
| 20:17.38 | sirox | dcordes : no there are many files and folders but i can't find any kernel |
| 20:17.58 | dcordes | sirox, did you make it? |
| 20:18.18 | sirox | dcordes : no somebody from the xda-developers forum |
| 20:20.07 | cr2 | dcordes: the zimage may be on some separate partition |
| 20:20.48 | sirox | http://rapidshare.com/files/155619181/Adnroid_dump.rar |
| 20:20.49 | dcordes | cr2, let's see if I can find a g1 on ebay soon |
| 20:20.57 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:21.12 | cr2 | dcordes: are you sure it will work here ? |
| 20:21.40 | dcordes | let's make it work |
| 20:21.45 | sirox | cr2 : i don't hope the kernel is ona a separatet partition ... |
| 20:23.43 | dcordes | BabelO, can you help me with the lgdal error? |
| 20:24.07 | BabelO | dcordes: you should have libgdal*.so somawhere in /usr/lib |
| 20:24.26 | tmzt | are you using pkg-config? |
| 20:25.26 | dcordes | /usr/lib/libgdal1.5.0.a /usr/lib/libgdal1.5.0.so.1 /usr/lib/libgdal1.5.0.so.1.12.2 /usr/lib/ogdi/libgdal.so |
| 20:25.43 | dcordes | I get the impression qlandkarte doesn't like debian too much :) |
| 20:26.13 | dcordes | tmzt, no ccmake and make |
| 20:26.46 | tmzt | ogdi? |
| 20:27.02 | tmzt | so you need -L/usr/lib/ogdi ? |
| 20:29.48 | dcordes | ok that did the trick |
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| 20:30.04 | dcordes | oh not really |
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| 20:30.41 | sirox | cr2: do you find something in the dump ? |
| 20:31.37 | cr2 | sirox: 30k/s 42% |
| 20:32.38 | sirox | cr2: oh ok ... sorry ;) |
| 20:33.14 | cr2 | 50% |
| 20:34.25 | druidu | cr2: yes, kernel decompresses ok, it gets even to start_kernel, first C function |
| 20:34.47 | druidu | then there is a call to smp_setup_processor_id |
| 20:34.55 | druidu | which is an empty function |
| 20:35.03 | druidu | and it crashes when returning from that function |
| 20:35.10 | cr2 | druidu: do you check the crc in haret ? |
| 20:35.19 | cr2 | 60% |
| 20:36.00 | druidu | no, but I doubt it, it wouldn't decompress if it had errors, and works perfectly if I put an __asm("mov pc, lr"); in the function |
| 20:36.17 | cr2 | weird |
| 20:36.28 | cr2 | what is your ram config ? |
| 20:37.02 | druidu | standard, set RAMSIZE 0x7800000 / set RAMADDR 0x10000000 |
| 20:37.05 | cr2 | btw, will linux run in 10MB ram ? i think it should |
| 20:37.22 | cr2 | druidu: does it match wince config ? |
| 20:37.24 | druidu | hmm, not really, uncompressed kernel is like 20 MB |
| 20:37.40 | cr2 | kernel can#t be 20MB |
| 20:38.00 | druidu | 23M 2008-10-19 22:01 vmlinux |
| 20:38.19 | druidu | it's with debug symbols & stuff, but that's how big it is |
| 20:38.26 | cr2 | you must have a lot of junk there. |
| 20:38.37 | druidu | final compressed image is 1.2 MB :) |
| 20:38.58 | cr2 | hehe. think of the 64MB devices |
| 20:39.05 | druidu | yeah, true, Image is 2.3 MB |
| 20:39.19 | druidu | that was the elf image, not the objcopy-ed one |
| 20:39.27 | cr2 | ok |
| 20:39.47 | cr2 | 80% |
| 20:39.50 | druidu | so, why would the ldm fail? |
| 20:40.28 | cr2 | diamond has 128MB ? |
| 20:40.50 | druidu | I tried like ldr pc, [sp, #8] which should work because we have this at the beginning of the func: mov ip, sp ; push {fp, ip, lr, pc |
| 20:40.56 | druidu | yes, 128 |
| 20:41.09 | cr2 | i've asked about 10MB because we may try to run linux in SRAM. the microkernel is at +10MB, so it will stay untouched. |
| 20:41.37 | druidu | microkernel as in amss ? |
| 20:41.40 | cr2 | yes |
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| 20:42.16 | druidu | btw, how can I know which amss firmware I'm running? |
| 20:42.27 | druidu | kernel has an optino and is currently 6.2.20 + new adsp |
| 20:42.34 | cr2 | druidu: i#d be worried about DMA |
| 20:42.56 | cr2 | don't know about versions |
| 20:43.17 | druidu | dma? could that crash my kernel now? but it's not really used up to this point, I think |
| 20:43.20 | cr2 | but the IPC interface seems to be the same as on vogue |
| 20:43.39 | cr2 | the running dma setup by wince. |
| 20:44.15 | druidu | I thought of that... but how come it can decompress the kernel, do all the mmu setup and stuff, then as soon as it gets to C code, crash on every function all? |
| 20:44.15 | cr2 | 5a |
| 20:44.17 | druidu | *call |
| 20:44.33 | cr2 | druidu: your memory size is 0x5a ? |
| 20:44.52 | druidu | in default.txt 0x78 |
| 20:45.13 | cr2 | should be 5a |
| 20:45.34 | druidu | 90 instead of 120? |
| 20:45.37 | cr2 | and switch off wifi,bt et al. |
| 20:45.48 | cr2 | yes, it's how wince is set up. |
| 20:45.56 | druidu | ok, trying that |
| 20:46.12 | druidu | switch all that before running haret? |
| 20:46.16 | cr2 | yes. |
| 20:46.28 | cr2 | bt uses dma. it's 100% sure |
| 20:46.57 | druidu | ok, switched to "airplane mode" :) |
| 20:47.00 | cr2 | ok |
| 20:47.52 | druidu | should I disable I/D cache? |
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| 20:48.52 | cr2 | 10 1c 20 36 62 |
| 20:49.07 | cr2 | hehe. where is the htc_i2c list ? |
| 20:49.47 | cr2 | 5 input devices |
| 20:50.59 | cr2 | akm8976 ? |
| 20:51.20 | cr2 | mt9t013 |
| 20:51.40 | cr2 | eh, what is used on rapahel ? |
| 20:52.05 | druidu | cr2: same crash, no change... |
| 20:52.05 | cr2 | Main Cam: MT9T013 |
| 20:52.06 | cr2 | wee |
| 20:52.19 | druidu | cr2: what are you working on? |
| 20:52.24 | druidu | i2c on raphael? |
| 20:52.31 | cr2 | no |
| 20:52.33 | cr2 | g1 |
| 20:52.40 | druidu | you got your hands on one? |
| 20:52.49 | druidu | aaa, firmware dump? |
| 20:53.07 | cr2 | 6 mtd partitons |
| 20:53.18 | cr2 | java dump |
| 20:53.28 | druidu | how did they manage to do that? |
| 20:53.36 | druidu | shouldn't they also contain the kernel? |
| 20:53.50 | cr2 | tiwlan0 :) |
| 20:53.57 | cr2 | don't know |
| 20:54.14 | cr2 | switch/h2w |
| 20:54.18 | cr2 | that's also nice |
| 20:54.39 | cr2 | smd27 ? |
| 20:54.45 | cr2 | dcordes: it was gps ? |
| 20:56.31 | cr2 | hehe. DroidSans-Bold.ttf |
| 20:57.15 | cr2 | gles_cm |
| 20:58.10 | cr2 | htc_ril and omxH264dec. these are closed source afair |
| 20:58.23 | druidu | heeeey! |
| 20:58.25 | druidu | check out |
| 20:58.44 | druidu | look in /system/etc/firmware/ |
| 20:58.46 | cr2 | vorbisidec |
| 20:58.53 | druidu | what's that firmware for? |
| 20:58.57 | druidu | brf6300.bin |
| 20:59.12 | cr2 | well, the bts |
| 20:59.18 | druidu | bts? |
| 20:59.21 | cr2 | g1 does not have fm/rds ? |
| 20:59.26 | druidu | no fm |
| 20:59.32 | druidu | my diamond has it, though |
| 20:59.35 | cr2 | TI script .bts |
| 20:59.50 | druidu | wifi firmware too |
| 20:59.53 | cr2 | raphael too. and it is controlled by these bts script |
| 21:00.10 | cr2 | brf6150 has an i2c port and gpios. and pcm |
| 21:00.40 | cr2 | maybe they use i2c to control the radio here too, and hook to the BT pcm pins. we will see |
| 21:00.57 | druidu | but that still doesn't solve my problem :( |
| 21:01.10 | druidu | is it possible that the proc enters thumb mode or something? |
| 21:01.19 | cr2 | ringtones are .ogg :) |
| 21:01.28 | cr2 | druidu: i don't believe that |
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| 21:02.08 | cr2 | aah. it's i2c |
| 21:02.32 | cr2 | synaptics is the touchscreen |
| 21:02.33 | druidu | let's take it like this: after the following instruction, where would LR be in memory in relation to SP: push {fp, ip, lr, pc} |
| 21:02.51 | druidu | [SP, #8] ? |
| 21:03.15 | cr2 | druidu: afair the lr is stored on an internal hardwae stack when you call 'bl' |
| 21:03.31 | cr2 | pca963x |
| 21:03.47 | druidu | but even if it is, shouldn't it also be in the LR register? |
| 21:03.57 | druidu | and if you push is on the stack, shound't it be there? |
| 21:04.14 | cr2 | akm7986 is an i2c device. |
| 21:04.33 | cr2 | if you push, yes. |
| 21:05.14 | druidu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.18 | druidu | wouldn't that push it? |
| 21:05.43 | cr2 | druidu: is it the objdump output ? |
| 21:05.53 | cr2 | pca963x is led pwm. |
| 21:05.59 | druidu | yes |
| 21:06.01 | kaze | hi g1 root dump been posted on xda seen it? |
| 21:06.21 | druidu | kaze: yes, we're looking at it |
| 21:06.29 | cr2 | kaze: looking at the dirtree |
| 21:06.31 | kaze | seems legit? |
| 21:07.39 | cr2 | yes |
| 21:07.56 | cr2 | the /sys output is nice |
| 21:08.14 | cr2 | the i2c ids want to be assigned... |
| 21:09.16 | cr2 | wlan.ko... |
| 21:09.29 | druidu | uu, lkms ? |
| 21:09.43 | cr2 | maybe |
| 21:10.02 | druidu | hehe, just the wlan driver seems like |
| 21:10.02 | cr2 | dcordes: what is the synaptics i2c id in the halibut git ? |
| 21:10.12 | druidu | but it's not in the `uname -r` dir |
| 21:10.42 | cr2 | it'd be easy to find the i2c id for mt9t013 |
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| 21:15.01 | cr2 | hmm. pca6335 is full programmable |
| 21:18.05 | cr2 | hehe. telnetd |
| 21:19.21 | dcordes | cr2, was afk hold on |
| 21:19.46 | cr2 | lol |
| 21:20.03 | cr2 | the gps location file has some coordinates. |
| 21:20.41 | cr2 | i think the android cruise missile is already on its way :) |
| 21:21.33 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.14 | dcordes | lights a candle for some 'rather powerful machines' |
| 21:22.24 | dcordes | don't abuse them too much |
| 21:23.41 | cr2 | it's in the ocean near San Francisco. i thought about google hq first :) |
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| 21:25.32 | cr2 | where is my gpsbabel |
| 21:25.38 | cr2 | to convert nmea |
| 21:25.40 | dcordes | yea 27 is gps |
| 21:26.27 | cr2 | ok |
| 21:26.57 | dcordes | how many /dev/smd are there? |
| 21:26.58 | cr2 | enable eepromless support |
| 21:27.03 | cr2 | 0 and 27 |
| 21:27.07 | dcordes | lol |
| 21:27.20 | dcordes | maybe the others are created dynamically? |
| 21:28.07 | cr2 | 1251r1c firmware. |
| 21:28.10 | cr2 | i think so |
| 21:28.34 | cr2 | wpa_supplicant |
| 21:28.39 | dcordes | already spotted the acx kernel module? |
| 21:29.13 | druidu | there is only one kernel module in there, wifi.ko, Ithink |
| 21:29.32 | dcordes | <cr2> 6 mtd partitons <- /dev/mtd? ? |
| 21:29.42 | cr2 | yes |
| 21:29.58 | dcordes | ok |
| 21:30.06 | dcordes | it will not include the arm9 space |
| 21:30.12 | druidu | kernel image is only in flash or should it be mounted somewhere? |
| 21:30.23 | dcordes | cr2, or do you think it does? |
| 21:30.46 | dcordes | druidu, maybe arm9 and a boot partition are shadowed |
| 21:31.02 | druidu | or just not mounted |
| 21:31.05 | cr2 | druidu: maybe they are not mounted. |
| 21:31.13 | dcordes | also an option |
| 21:31.14 | druidu | can we know which are the mount points? |
| 21:31.25 | druidu | no fstab |
| 21:31.37 | dcordes | druidu, do you know the exact source of the rar file? |
| 21:31.37 | cr2 | and no /proc/mounts |
| 21:31.43 | druidu | nope |
| 21:31.52 | druidu | some guy here gave us the link |
| 21:32.02 | druidu | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431115&page=7 |
| 21:32.03 | cr2 | dcordes: there is a nmea track in the dump :) |
| 21:32.04 | druidu | check this thread |
| 21:32.10 | dcordes | ok obviously somebody who wants to keep his job |
| 21:32.22 | cr2 | hehe |
| 21:32.59 | druidu | or who wants to be fired like a martyr :) |
| 21:33.33 | druidu | which one would be the init script/app? |
| 21:34.10 | cr2 | dcordes: there is nothing groundbreaking there. on the kernel side |
| 21:34.20 | dcordes | artyrocks@gmail.com that's the source of the file.- |
| 21:35.08 | druidu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.13 | druidu | in mountd.conf |
| 21:35.31 | druidu | ah, useless, it's the memory card probably |
| 21:36.13 | dcordes | druidu, yea it is |
| 21:36.33 | BabelO | hey Paris is available for google streetview |
| 21:36.49 | druidu | damn, no kmem device |
| 21:37.51 | cr2 | druidu: a /dev/mem dump will be nice to have. |
| 21:37.59 | dcordes | BabelO, I already took a tour there on champs-elysees and noticed some angry people on tour buses :D |
| 21:38.13 | dcordes | and a lot of frames deleted |
| 21:38.29 | BabelO | yes laws |
| 21:40.43 | cr2 | dcordes: do they throw stones ? |
| 21:41.21 | dcordes | cr2, probably they had none |
| 21:42.26 | cr2 | whoe is Dr. MAD ? |
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| 21:43.20 | BruteFrce | whats up |
| 21:43.51 | druidu | lol, there's a huge license list in /system/etc/NOTICE.html |
| 21:44.12 | dcordes | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2797537&postcount=3 |
| 21:44.22 | dcordes | has some mirrors with the g1 filesystem dump |
| 21:44.35 | cr2 | druidu: lol, who looks where :) |
| 21:44.41 | dcordes | also downloading now |
| 21:45.06 | BruteFrce | someone isplaying with a g1? |
| 21:45.07 | druidu | interesting... |
| 21:45.08 | druidu | Notices for file(s): |
| 21:45.13 | druidu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.16 | dcordes | btw, must you agree to some terms when you turn on the g1 first time? |
| 21:45.19 | cr2 | now i know why i don't use ringtones |
| 21:45.22 | druidu | there is a root partition mounted in /root which holds init |
| 21:45.35 | druidu | and who knows, maybe the kernel |
| 21:45.40 | BruteFrce | who has a g1? |
| 21:46.26 | cr2 | druidu: the brf6300 firmware is not .bts |
| 21:46.35 | druidu | Notices for file(s): /kernel |
| 21:46.36 | druidu | The Linux 2.6.x Kernel is licensed as follows: |
| 21:46.42 | cr2 | in wince it's .bts |
| 21:46.43 | BruteFrce | whats it cost full reatil in the us? |
| 21:46.48 | BruteFrce | retail |
| 21:47.00 | dcordes | BruteFrce, there is a pricing table in the xda wiki |
| 21:47.00 | cr2 | BruteFrce: check the t-mob site |
| 21:48.16 | BruteFrce | they dont show the retail prices |
| 21:48.27 | BruteFrce | tmob |
| 21:49.04 | cr2 | LOL |
| 21:49.13 | cr2 | converted nmea to gpx |
| 21:49.25 | dcordes | found the treasure? |
| 21:49.29 | BruteFrce | why dont you just tell me instead of being all rtfm? |
| 21:49.54 | tmzt | BruteFrce: before rebates/discounts should be retail |
| 21:49.59 | cr2 | somebody should make a googleearth overlay. |
| 21:50.03 | tmzt | BruteFrce: but are they offering it yet retail? |
| 21:50.03 | dcordes | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream_Vendors |
| 21:50.09 | BruteFrce | no thats not ccurate |
| 21:50.18 | druidu | check ebay :)) |
| 21:50.24 | BruteFrce | they have to for flex ccounts |
| 21:50.29 | druidu | you can buy it with no plan |
| 21:50.34 | BruteFrce | accounts |
| 21:50.50 | BruteFrce | the website is not ccurate like i just aid |
| 21:50.53 | BruteFrce | said |
| 21:51.07 | BruteFrce | this keypad is messed up |
| 21:51.10 | cr2 | the track is in Palo Alto/Mountain View |
| 21:51.35 | ali1234 | makes me wish i wasn't on t-mobile so that when my contract runs out and they ring me up i could say "yeah i'll switch if you give me a g1 for free" |
| 21:51.43 | druidu | maybe the google team wanted us to have it, but they couldn't just put it for download on their website :) |
| 21:52.03 | dcordes | cr2, do you think it's a leftover? |
| 21:52.43 | cr2 | dcordes: somebody has just run a java program on his g1 |
| 21:52.51 | dcordes | druidu, maybe it's diabloic/conspiracy/death |
| 21:53.22 | cr2 | and the big brother is always on for these devices. |
| 21:54.48 | druidu | cr2: can you give me your raphael zImage, I wanna see if it uses same standard for C procs |
| 21:55.08 | tmzt | BruteFrce: interestingly, there is a post on arm-kernel about bringing omap850 support to latest kernel |
| 21:55.17 | cr2 | druidu: ask NetRipper , i've not compiled the kernek |
| 21:55.31 | druidu | NetRipper : you around? :D |
| 21:56.05 | druidu | gonna try compiling it with the toolchain he said |
| 21:57.24 | druidu | actually, the one you said |
| 21:57.27 | cr2 | dcordes: i've loaded .gpx in JOSM |
| 21:57.43 | dcordes | cr2, don't know what's either |
| 21:58.06 | dcordes | still new to the gps world |
| 21:58.07 | cr2 | http://josm.openstreetmap.de |
| 21:58.32 | cr2 | maybe i'd upload this track to OSM ? :D |
| 21:58.54 | druidu | make it a KML and load it in google maps :) |
| 21:59.43 | NetRipper | druidu, i am |
| 21:59.45 | cr2 | i do not use google maps. |
| 22:00.04 | cr2 | it's a highway track from IKEA :) |
| 22:00.38 | dcordes | huh? |
| 22:00.42 | druidu | NetRipper : can I have your zImage to see if it has same C function setup/finish code? |
| 22:01.57 | druidu | or pastebin me a `objdump -D vmlinux | grep '<smp_setup_processor_id>:' -A 6` |
| 22:02.41 | cr2 | dcordes: the track is real |
| 22:03.34 | NetRipper | objdump: Can't disassemble for architecture UNKNOWN! |
| 22:03.38 | druidu | no |
| 22:03.43 | druidu | use objdump with prefix |
| 22:03.54 | druidu | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objdump or whatever you use |
| 22:04.33 | NetRipper | yea |
| 22:04.34 | NetRipper | thought so |
| 22:04.44 | NetRipper | doing 10 other things at hte same time |
| 22:04.44 | NetRipper | :p |
| 22:04.59 | cr2 | dcordes: from IKEA to some big parking near the highway. google maps do not say what's there, and i don't know the area :) |
| 22:05.15 | cr2 | somebody from Mountain View here ? :) |
| 22:06.05 | NetRipper | druidu, no results on that command |
| 22:06.06 | NetRipper | :) |
| 22:06.27 | tmzt | is CONFIG_SMP set for some reason? |
| 22:06.43 | druidu | hmmm... then replace with '<lock_kernel>:' and increase the -A to like -A 20 |
| 22:06.55 | tmzt | isn't that not for ARCH=arm? I only get it when not setting ARCH |
| 22:07.09 | druidu | interested especially in first and last line of function |
| 22:07.47 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 22:07.56 | cr2 | Fw1251r1c.bin is different from wince... |
| 22:08.00 | druidu | tmzt : it's an empty function in init/main.c and it's not enclosed in any IFDEF |
| 22:08.06 | dcordes | cr2, the person who dumped this rom is an emplyee in ikea transport. the track is a result of him trying out the navigation program while at work. |
| 22:08.15 | tmzt | is it inlined by the compiler? |
| 22:08.28 | BruteFrce | wow no 3.5 jack no multi touch... a crappy browser... whats the hype about |
| 22:08.36 | druidu | my problem is a bit more generic, seems that no C function restores LR -> PC properly |
| 22:08.50 | tmzt | what's wrong with the browser? |
| 22:09.17 | BruteFrce | nowhere near as good as safari |
| 22:09.20 | tmzt | does kernel uses apcs or aeabi? |
| 22:09.24 | tmzt | internally |
| 22:09.41 | BruteFrce | just going by reviews and such |
| 22:09.42 | tmzt | BruteFrce: it's supposed to be webkit based, and has v8 javascript engine |
| 22:10.01 | druidu | BruteFrce : you're missing the point about Android, and it's not so much about the device as for the fact it's the first Android device |
| 22:10.15 | BruteFrce | ya well most the reviews agrees its almost asbad as pie |
| 22:10.31 | druidu | tmzt: tried to compile with both (aeabi is default), none work and they seem to generate identical code |
| 22:10.38 | BruteFrce | im not knocking android im knocking the dream and its software |
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| 22:11.11 | druidu | weird is that C decompression routine (which is written in C and is executed long before start_kernel) works |
| 22:11.30 | BruteFrce | i mean if they ant android to stick they needed to launch on a device that could compete with iphone |
| 22:11.34 | druidu | and uses same setup/cleanup code as lock_kernel and others |
| 22:11.56 | druidu | tmzt : check asm code here: http://pastebin.com/m746ecfad |
| 22:12.45 | druidu | BruteFrce : it can compete, just because it doesn't have multi-touch and 3.5 jack it doesn't mean it can beat iphone |
| 22:12.58 | BruteFrce | but i guess 300 full retail isnt bad |
| 22:13.05 | cr2 | wap.voicestream.com |
| 22:13.09 | druidu | as for the software, in a matter of months it will be way beyond iphone, imho |
| 22:13.21 | BruteFrce | theres no way it can compete with no multi touch... |
| 22:13.21 | druidu | if it's not already :) |
| 22:13.47 | tmzt | so there aren't 1.5m preorders? |
| 22:13.53 | cr2 | druidu: blackstone/HD |
| 22:14.08 | druidu | cr2 : what's that? |
| 22:14.19 | BruteFrce | multi touch and the hard drive is what moves iphones from the shelfs |
| 22:14.42 | tmzt | what harddrive? they are flash (nand) |
| 22:14.43 | BruteFrce | android might kill iphone, but not on this device |
| 22:14.56 | druidu | BruteFrce : it supports SDHC cards, so you can have as much as the iphone for storage |
| 22:14.58 | BruteFrce | ya flash hard drives same diff |
| 22:15.12 | druidu | anyway, new devices will come in 2009 |
| 22:15.22 | tmzt | 16gb mSD now, 32gb coming |
| 22:15.24 | druidu | for example, HTC Touch HD |
| 22:15.32 | druidu | that will be an iphone killer for sure |
| 22:15.34 | cr2 | BruteFrce: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone |
| 22:15.39 | tmzt | Touch Pro HD (please) |
| 22:15.39 | Miek | is multi-touch really such a big deal? |
| 22:15.49 | BruteFrce | it only supports 16gb according to the reviews there is a 32gb iphone |
| 22:16.05 | druidu | and you actually need 32 gb? :) |
| 22:16.06 | tmzt | it should support up to 2/4tb |
| 22:16.18 | BruteFrce | yes multi touch is a big deal, have you ever read about this phone? |
| 22:16.35 | cr2 | druidu: for not evil tiles :) |
| 22:16.36 | druidu | touchstone... it's out already? :) |
| 22:16.39 | tmzt | pinch to make pictures bigger |
| 22:16.43 | BruteFrce | well it doesnt it was tested and can only take a 16gb |
| 22:17.13 | BruteFrce | not just pictures the whole gui and most apps use multi touch |
| 22:17.20 | tmzt | what were they going to test it with, 16gb is the biggest card right now ?? |
| 22:17.28 | BruteFrce | its the main staple of safari |
| 22:17.34 | druidu | iphone doesn't have a secondary camera (no video chat unless you're happy with half-duplex) |
| 22:17.45 | druidu | crappy cam with just 2 mp |
| 22:17.52 | tmzt | turn it around? half-duplex |
| 22:18.02 | BruteFrce | ya 2mp is crappy |
| 22:18.05 | cr2 | BruteFrce: isn't the iphone a dos-like single task OS ? |
| 22:18.08 | druidu | iphone is not the supreme phone everybody thinks it is |
| 22:18.09 | Miek | BruteFrce: i've used the phone, multi-touch isn't really a big deal |
| 22:18.27 | druidu | the digital compass in g1 rocks for example, iphone doesn't have it |
| 22:18.33 | BruteFrce | according to the market it is by far |
| 22:18.37 | tmzt | it's more of a palm-like single user application environment |
| 22:19.14 | druidu | I don't need multitouch on my HTC Diamond, I can do finger gestures like circles to zoom |
| 22:19.21 | BruteFrce | anyways all i am saying is its already obvious not to just me that it doesnt compete with the market leader, so i hope that doesnt kill android |
| 22:20.03 | druidu | BruteFrce : that's a general Apple thing, whenever Apple takes a new product out people go crazy, would kill just to get it |
| 22:20.07 | tmzt | I wonder if there is any reason the /init config couldn't be changed to support a vt on fbcon? |
| 22:20.16 | cr2 | no GPS hardware on this device |
| 22:20.31 | cr2 | using QEMU GPS Hardware emulation |
| 22:20.35 | BruteFrce | no no phone in history has been this succesful this fast |
| 22:20.38 | druidu | what device? |
| 22:20.56 | BruteFrce | and when as the last time people ent crazy for a ibook? |
| 22:21.16 | tmzt | when did ibook come out anyway? |
| 22:21.29 | druidu | BruteFrce : perfect example is that people would pay that much for an ipod shuffle which is just a button that plays music |
| 22:21.35 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.46 | druidu | hates Apple :) |
| 22:22.10 | BruteFrce | that much? a 1gb is lil more than a 1gb flash rive.... |
| 22:22.24 | ali1234 | the iphone is not a market leader by any reasonable metric |
| 22:22.34 | BruteFrce | i hate apple too, doesnt change the fact that the iphone is successful |
| 22:22.49 | tmzt | it was $79 dollars to start with, for 1gb? with no screen |
| 22:22.52 | cr2 | uh, all the weird htc 3G stuff implemented |
| 22:22.56 | cr2 | g23_3g_dch_status |
| 22:23.03 | BruteFrce | ali1234 where did you get that bs from its the best selling phone by far, google it |
| 22:23.14 | cr2 | looks like we will have fieldtest.exe app |
| 22:23.28 | druidu | and doesn't change the fact that it's not that great as almost everybody says |
| 22:23.55 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: iphone sales = 8 million. total mobile phone sales per year = 305 million |
| 22:24.08 | BruteFrce | never said it did, but ill agree multi touch is very useful |
| 22:24.35 | BruteFrce | okay show me a phone with a bigger share of that market please. |
| 22:24.46 | druidu | the major differene is Android is a platform, iPhone is *one* phone, Android can run in iPhone (theoretically and I suppose very soon practically) |
| 22:24.51 | BruteFrce | one that is as new |
| 22:24.59 | cr2 | AT@ACOUSTICINITED |
| 22:25.09 | cr2 | don't see that on raphael. |
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| 22:25.12 | BruteFrce | no one is talking about android |
| 22:25.26 | cr2 | hm. g1 is for the US. |
| 22:25.34 | druidu | and if people buy your phone just to put another OS on it, it means the original one wasn't good enough, and that's what I would do :) |
| 22:25.55 | druidu | cr2: it's coming in UK in 2009 and rest of the europe after that |
| 22:26.06 | druidu | or november in UK |
| 22:26.19 | Miek | yeah, november in UK, Q1 2009 in the rest of europe |
| 22:26.21 | cr2 | druidu: i run linuxppc on my mac notebook. |
| 22:26.56 | BruteFrce | well ali1234... wheres the supposed market leader... and your stats were ay off iphone has sold over 12 million world wide |
| 22:27.13 | druidu | cr2 : hehe, nice :) |
| 22:27.59 | BruteFrce | the next phone is the razr which has been out 3 years longer and still 4 million short |
| 22:28.08 | druidu | I can believe iphone users put up with the bullshit apple is feeding them, like itunes store and needing to jailbreak it and stuff |
| 22:28.21 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: well according to google the most popular mobile phone handset is the razr v3 |
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| 22:28.48 | BruteFrce | jailbreaking is no different than a cid unlock most of have done on our devices |
| 22:29.14 | druidu | motorola is probably the next company to produce an android phone |
| 22:29.14 | Miek | that's not true at all |
| 22:29.21 | BruteFrce | ali1234 no thats in correct razr is number 2 look again, plus its older |
| 22:29.34 | druidu | BruteFrce : don't confuse jailbreak with network unlock |
| 22:29.41 | BruteFrce | yes it is true in every aspect |
| 22:30.17 | druidu | jailbreak is so that you can run OTHER APPS except the one apple is giving you |
| 22:30.21 | BruteFrce | i meant app unlock, unlocking the phone for 3rd party installations |
| 22:30.32 | Miek | which you can do on any other smartphone without an unlock |
| 22:30.40 | druidu | exactlty! |
| 22:30.50 | BruteFrce | really thats funny.. no you cant |
| 22:31.07 | tmzt | not all smartphone-based phones |
| 22:31.11 | BruteFrce | i had to run unloack software to run anything unsigned |
| 22:31.24 | druidu | it's outrageous, you cannot legally give your app to phone users unless it's approved by apple (and we have examples of perfectly valid apps that were rejected by apple) |
| 22:31.24 | BruteFrce | so does almost any wm phone |
| 22:31.26 | tmzt | unlike ppc phones except maybe original xda's |
| 22:31.39 | BruteFrce | am i making this up? |
| 22:31.41 | cr2 | dcordes: description=TI WLAN Embedded Station Driver |
| 22:31.45 | NetRipper | druidu, what's your progress on booting kernel then? |
| 22:32.00 | cr2 | dcordes: license=GPL |
| 22:32.08 | tmzt | of course, STA only but supports wpa_supplicant |
| 22:32.14 | BruteFrce | nothing to say now huh? |
| 22:32.16 | druidu | NetRipper : I'm in start_kernel, and it's stuck here, any function I call crashes on return |
| 22:32.18 | cr2 | dcordes: vermagic=2.6.25-01828-g18ac882 preempt mod_unload ARMv6 |
| 22:32.31 | NetRipper | you actually make it to start_kernel |
| 22:32.31 | druidu | NetRipper : http://pastebin.com/m746ecfad maybe you have some clues |
| 22:32.31 | NetRipper | :p |
| 22:32.34 | tmzt | armv6 |
| 22:33.00 | tmzt | any ieee80211_*.ko ? |
| 22:33.13 | BruteFrce | some people amaze me, start an argument get proven wrong, state an untrue fact, then just change the subject |
| 22:33.14 | cr2 | tmzt: no .ko's |
| 22:33.14 | NetRipper | druidu, what's the code to make the screen go black? |
| 22:33.26 | cr2 | tmzt: but wpa is there |
| 22:33.42 | druidu | NetRipper : shut down MDDI (found it in board-vogue.c, it's commented) |
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| 22:33.49 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: most WM phones are not locked. they just bring up a warning when running unsigned code (just like windows xp) which can easily be disabled. |
| 22:33.55 | NetRipper | druidu, oh, like turn off lcd? |
| 22:34.00 | druidu | gotta take the battery out to start it again |
| 22:34.05 | BruteFrce | but im not here to troll, so ill shut up |
| 22:34.15 | NetRipper | druidu, lol ok, ah right, you were on diamond |
| 22:34.18 | druidu | nope, it's something much more low level |
| 22:34.33 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: also comparing iphone to a single handset makes no sense. better to compare all apple phones sales to eg all nokias phones sales. it doesnt look so good then |
| 22:34.38 | NetRipper | ok |
| 22:34.41 | druidu | the phone software doesn't know to reset it back |
| 22:34.50 | tmzt | BruteFrce: dash was reg locked? |
| 22:34.55 | druidu | and even if I set it back (it's a GPIO), still won't start |
| 22:35.00 | NetRipper | im currently even having trouble turning on the flashlight after mmu is back on.... something i had working before! |
| 22:35.08 | druidu | so it's a "one shot flashlight" :) |
| 22:35.09 | NetRipper | i got annoyed and took a few days break :p |
| 22:35.15 | BruteFrce | no ali1234 again where do you get your information the stock roms do not let you install anything unsigned hence why there are applications out there to app unlock them |
| 22:35.41 | druidu | maybe try to revert to git source if you haven't changed a lot of stuff, and make the changes again |
| 22:35.48 | druidu | and keep a backup |
| 22:35.50 | BruteFrce | tmzt yes and so is the wizard artemis treo almost every wm i have ever had |
| 22:35.53 | NetRipper | anyway smp setup is not needed for raphael/diamond |
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| 22:36.06 | NetRipper | there's no secondary cpu |
| 22:36.22 | BruteFrce | its no different than jailbreaking |
| 22:36.23 | cr2 | dcordes: i will look at the memory addr |
| 22:37.06 | druidu | NetRipper : the problem is much deeper than that, any function crashes, I just used that as an example because it's empty and it's the first one called |
| 22:37.19 | NetRipper | hm |
| 22:38.07 | BruteFrce | in fact have a look at xda forums they have a forum for every htc phone, and why would they go through the trouble of stickying the app unlock threads on every single one? |
| 22:38.16 | NetRipper | druidu, which tree are you using? msm-android or vogue? |
| 22:38.17 | druidu | BruteFrce : we were talking g1 vs iphone, it's got nothing to do with the fact we want to put android in every device we get our hands on |
| 22:38.35 | druidu | NetRipper: android-msm-2.6.25 |
| 22:39.10 | BruteFrce | druidu i never said anything like that, what on earth are you talking about? |
| 22:39.17 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: my stock rom was not locked, and neither was the aku3 update |
| 22:40.19 | druidu | you said <BruteFrce> its no different than jailbreaking |
| 22:40.28 | BruteFrce | thats convinent for your argument but for everyone elses tock rom it as, m sure you didnt ven notice before you flashed to cooked rom |
| 22:40.33 | druidu | referring to a htc phone, if I understand corectly |
| 22:40.47 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: i do not use cooked roms |
| 22:40.53 | BruteFrce | no you dont, just nevermind it |
| 22:40.58 | druidu | sorry if I misunderstood anything :) |
| 22:41.01 | BruteFrce | druidu |
| 22:41.11 | druidu | *something |
| 22:41.53 | BruteFrce | again thats very easy to say, but like i said why would these forums be stickied, why would the apps even exist? |
| 22:42.17 | NetRipper | BruteFrce, with the unable to install unsigned apps thing, are you referring to android or windows mobile? |
| 22:42.23 | BruteFrce | i had to do it on the last 4 htcs i owned. |
| 22:42.31 | BruteFrce | wm |
| 22:42.42 | NetRipper | you can simply install a .cab file to remove that restrictino |
| 22:42.56 | BruteFrce | which could have been understood by reading the scroll back |
| 22:42.57 | NetRipper | you dont need a cooked rom |
| 22:43.11 | BruteFrce | netripper you have just proven my point |
| 22:43.39 | druidu | sorry, thought you said something else, my mistake |
| 22:43.43 | BruteFrce | i never said you have to flash, can you guys not jump in who dont even understand what we are talking about |
| 22:43.56 | druidu | NetRipper: is it possible that the proc enters thumb mode or something? |
| 22:44.25 | NetRipper | druidu, an arm instruction is required to switch thumb vs arm mode |
| 22:44.48 | BruteFrce | you have to install a cab to remove the restriction just as netripper just said, just like you have to run an app on the iphone to jailbreak, that as my whole point |
| 22:44.52 | druidu | I just can't explain why the function return code doesn't work |
| 22:45.11 | NetRipper | BruteFrce, though on iphone it's a real hack, on windows mobile it's just a registry change |
| 22:45.16 | NetRipper | but the principle is the same |
| 22:45.29 | BruteFrce | its the ame principle, thank you |
| 22:45.30 | druidu | BruteFrce : my point was that it's all a HTC and windows mobile thing, so it's got nothing to do with G1 or Android |
| 22:45.42 | BruteFrce | you have to take an ffort was all i was saying |
| 22:46.02 | BruteFrce | druidu what re you talking about.... |
| 22:46.13 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: installing that cab wouldn't work if you couldn't install signed apps now, would it? that cab just removes the annoying "are you sure you want to run this?" message |
| 22:46.13 | BruteFrce | please just leave it alone |
| 22:46.25 | druidu | ok, stopping :D |
| 22:46.28 | BruteFrce | its a signed app? |
| 22:46.43 | BruteFrce | not it removes a restriction |
| 22:46.49 | NetRipper | just a difference in interpretation |
| 22:47.05 | BruteFrce | omg this guy is ignorant |
| 22:47.11 | BruteFrce | its pissing me off |
| 22:47.14 | tmzt | the problem is on smartphone (some providers) there are registry keys that cannot be accessed |
| 22:47.20 | BruteFrce | ali234 your wrong |
| 22:47.51 | BruteFrce | its not just a pop up its a restriction that does not let you install unsigned app |
| 22:47.58 | BruteFrce | apps |
| 22:48.29 | BruteFrce | i dont care if the way the unlock works is different it is still the same thing |
| 22:49.22 | NetRipper | don't make such a big deal out of it |
| 22:49.30 | NetRipper | iphone and windows mobile can't really be compared anyway |
| 22:49.36 | BruteFrce | well he is relentless, and he is wrong. |
| 22:49.46 | NetRipper | it's a matter of interpretation |
| 22:50.18 | NetRipper | the way the protection works is significantly different, but the purpose of the function is the same on both devices |
| 22:50.21 | BruteFrce | no he is saying its just a pop up with an ignore option, and its not |
| 22:50.33 | BruteFrce | he doesnt understand |
| 22:50.41 | cr2 | mailboxes... |
| 22:50.52 | NetRipper | yer |
| 22:50.52 | tmzt | he has a ppc based system, not smartphone |
| 22:51.18 | BruteFrce | it is the same standard or profesional |
| 22:51.26 | BruteFrce | professional |
| 22:51.50 | BruteFrce | i understand a few pro devices dont have the restriction but most till do |
| 22:51.54 | BruteFrce | still |
| 22:53.36 | BruteFrce | anyways, all i was saying before is that i was disapointed in the lack of multi touch as the applications for it are great |
| 22:53.53 | BruteFrce | ine of the only things i liked about the iphone |
| 22:56.19 | cr2 | bthwlancoexist |
| 22:58.19 | BruteFrce | cr2 any clue why an initrd would make it so key_up right left and down dont work? |
| 22:59.33 | NetRipper | good night |
| 22:59.33 | NetRipper | :) |
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| 23:32.03 | druidu | wohoooooooo I found where the problem is!!! |
| 23:33.49 | BruteFrce | hey they announced they are including a extusb 3.5 adapter just not in the first few shipments |
| 23:34.39 | druidu | see, one of your problems is fixed |
| 23:36.18 | tmzt | cr2: do I trace 0x4100_0010 ssp1 data write/read register? |
| 23:37.45 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437765 |
| 23:37.53 | BruteFrce | well almost still cant charge and listen |
| 23:38.16 | dcordes | druidu, what is it? |
| 23:38.21 | dcordes | brb |
| 23:42.00 | BruteFrce | ali1234 cant do links |
| 23:42.32 | tmzt | BruteFrce: add http://forum.xda-devolopers.com/showthread.php?t= to your bookmarks |
| 23:42.46 | tmzt | then you can bring it up and edit it, at least with pie |
| 23:42.55 | tmzt | oh, I just typed that in |
| 23:43.09 | BruteFrce | huh? |
| 23:43.29 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: well ok, i posted a poll asking about the unsigned code thing |
| 23:43.37 | BruteFrce | how could i get that from the chat list to copy? |
| 23:44.10 | BruteFrce | i dont care about a poll im just going by whats fact |
| 23:44.21 | BruteFrce | lmao this guy never gives up. |
| 23:44.27 | tmzt | you type http : / / forum . xda - developers . com / show thread . php ? t = |
| 23:44.36 | BruteFrce | just drop it you were wrong |
| 23:44.49 | BruteFrce | im not typing a whole url |
| 23:45.16 | BruteFrce | and i cant copy from the text box anyways |
| 23:45.57 | tmzt | cr2: ping? |
| 23:46.14 | ali1234 | BruteFrce: well i am interested in the percentages even if you are not |
| 23:46.56 | tmzt | I have wm5 smartphone on my Q, it asks about unknown .exe's and that's it |
| 23:47.20 | tmzt | I have samsung wm2003 smartphone, it won't run unsigned apps that access registry |
| 23:47.20 | BruteFrce | were not talking about moto |
| 23:47.44 | ali1234 | tmzt: well the poll allows multiple choice :) |
| 23:47.56 | tmzt | what smartphone based devices are there? |
| 23:48.16 | tmzt | is it just t-mo usa policy, if its on wizard as well? |
| 23:48.23 | tmzt | like orange and xda |
| 23:48.32 | BruteFrce | like i said the majority of wm devices dont allow installation od 3rd party apps, hence why developers spent the time to write the damn unlock apps jesus |
| 23:48.51 | BruteFrce | has nothing to do with tmobile |
| 23:49.06 | BruteFrce | it comes on the htc roms as well |
| 23:50.14 | BruteFrce | the poll is useless since they wouldnt remember if they ctually tried before they flashed to a cooked rom |
| 23:50.42 | BruteFrce | actualy |
| 23:50.59 | BruteFrce | actually* i hate this keyboard |
| 23:51.23 | tmzt | g1 has five rows of keys |
| 23:51.51 | tmzt | or four, I'll look again, but not everything is on the sym key |
| 23:52.10 | ali1234 | tmzt: it has 5 rows. numbers are separate |
| 23:52.33 | tmzt | right, just comparing it with htc's packed square keys and n810 |
| 23:52.42 | tmzt | looks nice |
| 23:53.11 | ali1234 | apparently the stubby bit on the right makes typing hard |
| 23:54.04 | tmzt | don't know what they gain from a joystick |
| 23:54.24 | tmzt | and buttons, like samsung that makes a ts phone and adds buttons |
| 23:55.05 | tmzt | I think it might be tmo obsession with hiptop/sidekick design?? |
| 23:55.56 | BruteFrce | the joypad is a good idea opens the phone up to non touch screen apps, since the dream is just one device of many to have android, not all of them will have touchscreen |
| 23:57.57 | BruteFrce | are did you mean it would have been better off with a dpad? |
| 23:58.35 | tmzt | can't say, but that could have been hidden with keyboard at least |
| 23:58.50 | tmzt | and flat, so no raised portion on the right |
| 23:59.29 | tmzt | it's resistive ts? |