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| 09:45.06 | yureg | Hi, all |
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| 09:50.55 | yureg | I have a very general question to ask. |
| 09:50.56 | yureg | Can someone clarify what is the biggest problem to adopt Android on HTC WM phones like HTC Touch Pro or HTC Diamond? As I understand, the hardware of these phones is completely android-able. Is the problem in drivers? But the hardware (CPU, BT, GPS modules etc.) looks the same as in initially android phones like HTC Magic or so... |
| 09:50.58 | yureg | ? |
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| 11:49.17 | dcordes | Kensan, did you find a minute to check how the initrd crashes on nexus? |
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| 12:24.43 | LeTama | hello dcordes, what's up ? |
| 12:25.35 | dcordes | LeTama, hi. trying to solve the userspace problems on leo |
| 12:26.38 | LeTama | still the same issue with udevd ? |
| 12:27.23 | dcordes | LeTama, the issue is not limited to udevd. I ran other stuff from custom init scripts like dropbear and telnetd |
| 12:28.01 | LeTama | hum.. ok. |
| 12:28.43 | dcordes | LeTama, thanks again for the busybox build you uploaded. it works well for me. unfortunately I was unable to reconstruct the build. it won't provide the shared libraries. do you still have the .config you used? |
| 12:29.27 | dcordes | LeTama, by the way. I found something interesting: http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk/browse_thread/thread/75dc24ee8307ff10/792d51f678054066 look at the first post. it seems like androids use armv5 by default in their SDK |
| 12:30.42 | LeTama | no, I don't think I still have the config |
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| 12:30.52 | LeTama | however, I can try to reproduce it |
| 12:31.51 | LeTama | the shared library I used were from the codesourcery toolchain |
| 12:32.18 | dcordes | that explains everything ^^ |
| 12:32.45 | LeTama | the interesting thing is that I took the wrong one (armv4). If I use the right thumb2, it crashes :) |
| 12:33.10 | LeTama | I did some more trials with static and code sourcery |
| 12:33.21 | LeTama | it seems to crash on unwind stuff |
| 12:34.08 | LeTama | I spent a lot of time trying to build a correct toolchain, it's really a nightmare to do it right |
| 12:34.50 | LeTama | tried 6 or 7 methods, the only that does something that looks almost right is ct-ng |
| 12:35.52 | dcordes | LeTama, hm that might be a very good approach. maybe we can ask on the above mailing list how to do it right. |
| 12:36.22 | dcordes | LeTama, it seems like you are also of the opinion that the problem is not related to the kernel, right ? |
| 12:36.32 | LeTama | well, I'm not sure |
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| 12:38.38 | dcordes | LeTama, a good approach to find that is to try binaries that crash on leo, on qsd8250 device with known working kernel |
| 12:38.49 | dcordes | or try userspace known to work on other qsd8250 device on leo |
| 12:39.08 | pitillo | LeTama: do you have somewhere the toolchain builder you have used? |
| 12:39.43 | dcordes | LeTama, http://www.irregular-expression.com/?p=30 <- e.g. armel debian seems to run fine on the nexus one. I will debootstrap a rootfs later and try to run it on leo. |
| 12:39.43 | LeTama | pitillo:http://freshmeat.net/projects/crosstool-ng |
| 12:40.16 | LeTama | dcordes: yes, could be a nice try |
| 12:40.27 | pitillo | LeTama: thank you |
| 12:40.33 | dcordes | pitillo, also have the leo? |
| 12:42.10 | LeTama | dcordes: I also built android with qsd support, their executable are armv7a/vfp/neon |
| 12:42.12 | dcordes | pitillo, it would be nice if you could share the options for toolchain compilation in ml or wiki. I documented all my approaches trying to run oe stuff in this bug http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5435 |
| 12:42.51 | dcordes | LeTama, did you use the toolchain that comes in 'NDK' for this ? |
| 12:43.06 | LeTama | no, the one built in |
| 12:43.18 | LeTama | from aosp |
| 12:43.32 | LeTama | took a specifiq qsd tag |
| 12:43.39 | pitillo | dcordes: no I haven't a leo sorry. I just readed you comments and the threads and I want to know about which tc was used and how it was created. Sorry for the noise. |
| 12:43.39 | LeTama | err specific |
| 12:44.37 | dcordes | pitillo, I used the 4.4.4 toolchain from openembedded . see the link above |
| 12:45.41 | dcordes | LeTama, do you have the link to that aosp? I would like to try compiling non android stuff with it using that qsd tag |
| 12:46.02 | LeTama | https://www.codeaurora.org/xwiki/bin/QAEP/eclair |
| 12:46.11 | dcordes | LeTama, there is no documentation from google how they produce these toolchains? |
| 12:46.34 | LeTama | I built tag Q8650BSDCANLYA4075 |
| 12:46.55 | LeTama | I didn't see anything regarding their toolchain |
| 12:47.24 | LeTama | you know this page : http://wiki.gnashdev.org/Building_for_Android |
| 12:47.32 | LeTama | quite interesting... |
| 12:49.54 | dcordes | let me check |
| 12:51.15 | dcordes | LeTama, seems like a good intro for android novice |
| 12:52.51 | LeTama | this guy struggled a lot with toolchain and android to get c++ working |
| 12:55.22 | dcordes | I should check for the options openembedded uses to compile gcc-cross_4.4.4 |
| 12:56.36 | GNUtoo | LeTama, yes indeed there is also an openembedded git repository capable of building android apps |
| 12:56.57 | GNUtoo | which could be very interesting |
| 12:57.21 | GNUtoo | http://github.com/anguslees/openembedded-android/tree/ |
| 12:57.48 | dcordes | GNUtoo, question is what device is he using it on. some snapdragon or msm7* ? |
| 12:58.26 | dcordes | GNUtoo, is there some documentation on this ? |
| 12:58.51 | GNUtoo | dcordes, on openembedded-android I think so |
| 12:59.03 | GNUtoo | at least there are commit messages and setup instructions |
| 12:59.36 | GNUtoo | dcordes, he has at least a dream and maybe a magic |
| 12:59.46 | dcordes | both msm7* |
| 13:01.01 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 13:01.12 | GNUtoo | why is android toolchain needed? |
| 13:01.37 | GNUtoo | maybe he has also a motorolla |
| 13:01.49 | GNUtoo | he's also the one making the port of scummvm to android |
| 13:01.59 | GNUtoo | (angus lee) |
| 13:04.52 | dcordes | LeTama, started tumping some info here http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo_Segfault |
| 13:05.36 | LeTama | dcordes: good |
| 13:06.04 | LeTama | gnutoo: thanks, will take a deeper look into it this weekend. |
| 13:08.25 | LeTama | dcordes, are you building your kernels with CONFIG_DEBUG_USER=y ? |
| 13:08.58 | dcordes | yea |
| 13:10.01 | LeTama | you have a trace with the crash dump ? |
| 13:15.39 | dcordes | LeTama, only got dmesg (plenty) with the user debug enabled. it's all in the oe bug |
| 13:15.50 | dcordes | LeTama, or you mean stuff like strace or gdb output ? |
| 13:15.58 | LeTama | no, only dmesg |
| 13:16.04 | dcordes | ok then check the oe bug |
| 13:16.15 | dcordes | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5435 |
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| 13:17.09 | LeTama | ok, got it |
| 13:17.44 | LeTama | it progressed a lot since I visited it |
| 13:19.11 | dcordes | many things were tried. but don't know if it is progress since I didn't gather much knowledge on the problem. it will be good to see how that 4.4.4 oe toolchain is compiled in order to catch up with your findings. |
| 13:20.36 | dcordes | ok I gotta run |
| 13:20.50 | LeTama | ok |
| 13:20.51 | dcordes | LeTama, I will update you on the outcome of testing the known working debian armel. |
| 13:21.07 | LeTama | dcordes, did you have the user_debug= when you ran these tests ? |
| 13:21.47 | LeTama | like user_debug=255 or =65535 ? |
| 13:22.11 | dcordes | somebody recommended to set -1 .. |
| 13:22.16 | LeTama | ok |
| 13:22.34 | LeTama | logs are strange then |
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| 14:37.18 | pitillo | dcordes: I will check the entire info you posted (sorry I ran out from work, if I don't they give me more :) |
| 14:39.18 | pitillo | dcordes: I'm trying to learn a bit more about cross and toolchains. We just created a toolchain and I want to confirm its options and compare them with others (sb, oe, cs, ...) Thank you for your info. |
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| 14:57.03 | [acl] | sup ladies.. anything new? |
| 14:59.40 | phh | nop |
| 14:59.56 | [acl] | nice.. you j saved me time from reading some logs |
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| 16:05.10 | Paul_Ishenin | phh, like to produce an impression on public :) ? |
| 16:05.30 | Paul_Ishenin | your video on youtube? |
| 16:05.55 | phh | IT'S NOT MY VIDEO |
| 16:05.56 | phh | damn it |
| 16:06.39 | Paul_Ishenin | sad |
| 16:08.32 | Paul_Ishenin | so I'm PRing you wrongfully |
| 16:09.15 | phh | PR ? |
| 16:09.20 | phh | anyway yes I'm working o nit |
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| 16:24.27 | [acl] | hope its good PR. |
| 16:25.18 | Paul_Ishenin | all the forum is praying on phh now :) |
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| 16:26.54 | [acl] | wow.. because? |
| 16:27.09 | phh | [acl]: i'm the only non-noob dev amongst liquid owners :p |
| 16:27.28 | Paul_Ishenin | he brings the light of froyo to the liquid users |
| 16:27.35 | Traveler8 | which video are we talking about?¿ |
| 16:27.48 | phh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DvBn05gq9Q |
| 16:28.05 | [acl] | phh: ahhh.. so you can do froyo on the liquid but no 3d on the rhod ? :-p |
| 16:28.06 | Traveler8 | lets see :P |
| 16:28.18 | phh | [acl]: I said froyo on liquid is easy ! :p |
| 16:28.32 | phh | with at least a 100 scale compared to xdandroid. |
| 16:29.31 | Paul_Ishenin | so if xdandroid was made for a year. froyo will be made for 3.6 days |
| 16:29.37 | [acl] | phh: lol. .. well thats good. Ill see if i can get it on the rhod this weekend. Depending if the 3d comes haunting me and i decide to drop froyo for working on 3d |
| 16:30.26 | Traveler8 | it looks like runs very well.....some day we will see it on diamond i hope :P |
| 16:30.41 | phh | Paul_Ishenin: oops |
| 16:30.44 | phh | ok only 10 times then. |
| 16:30.53 | Paul_Ishenin | :)) |
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| 16:31.44 | [acl] | well i have an option to either get the rhod to run on hfctsaot .27 kernel with eclair drivers or go to .29. Only options that i see for froyo |
| 16:32.08 | phh | [acl]: but why the hell do you want to change anything ? |
| 16:32.13 | phh | there is no problem in kernel |
| 16:32.57 | phh | I mean concerning froyo. |
| 16:33.10 | [acl] | u sure? it will run with our .27 kernel? |
| 16:33.18 | phh | yes ... |
| 16:33.19 | [acl] | i got a whole mess of errors when i tried to run the hero |
| 16:33.27 | [acl] | i mean tried to run the hero port |
| 16:33.57 | phh | such as ? |
| 16:34.00 | [acl] | maybe i didnt try hard enough. But services were crashing left and right. accelerometer service was going crazy |
| 16:34.28 | phh | we use a different accelerometer driver, how surprising is it accelerometer service crash ? |
| 16:35.47 | [acl] | ahh man ihave to see the pastbin that klinux posted. He has all the details. im going to ask him to stop some services from starting to see what we can get away with. |
| 16:44.35 | [acl] | lol. my logcat stops after this "I/DEBUG ( 206): debuggerd: May 12 2010 20:07:17" |
| 16:45.04 | [acl] | if you are sure the kernel doesnt need changes. then ill try again later. |
| 16:45.23 | phh | i'm sure at ~ 99.9% :p |
| 16:45.32 | [acl] | nice. |
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| 16:47.24 | klinux | hey guys |
| 16:47.32 | [acl] | klinux:you still have that paste bin ? share the logs :-) |
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| 16:48.09 | klinux | let me see it's on my laptop |
| 16:48.17 | klinux | gimme a min |
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| 16:50.00 | mcbridematt | Hi all, what xorg configuration should I use on an Xperia? My attempts so far have resulted in Xorg erroring with a FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO |
| 16:50.29 | phh | msm_fb.fix_x=1 |
| 16:50.30 | phh | I think. |
| 16:50.52 | phh | yup that's it |
| 16:50.58 | phh | on cmdline |
| 16:51.09 | phh | (if they included, but I think they did) |
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| 16:52.17 | Traveler8 | guys, is there any guide or document where i can find how/what to modify an android build to run on a ext2 partition?¿? |
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| 16:52.41 | stinebd | no |
| 16:53.05 | Traveler8 | lol :( |
| 16:53.23 | |Jeroen| | there is a guide how to install it on ext2 |
| 16:53.30 | phh | not it |
| 16:53.32 | phh | but balsat's build |
| 16:53.36 | stinebd | basically, as root unpack the squashfs (make sure permissions are preserved) then genext2fs the resulting directory |
| 16:53.45 | stinebd | and name it system.img |
| 16:53.46 | phh | stinebd: *partition* |
| 16:53.47 | phh | not loopback. |
| 16:53.51 | phh | and it's .ext2 |
| 16:53.57 | stinebd | right |
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| 16:54.01 | stinebd | who cares about partitions |
| 16:54.14 | k_linux | acl: http://pastebin.com/tXGDpqJQ |
| 16:54.15 | phh | :p |
| 16:54.19 | phh | it's said to give performance improvements |
| 16:54.26 | phh | which was totally wrong for me |
| 16:54.27 | stinebd | "said" |
| 16:54.34 | stinebd | you can't listen to what's said on xda |
| 16:54.38 | phh | :p |
| 16:54.47 | stinebd | my battery is said to last 2 hours on xda |
| 16:54.49 | phh | k_linux: and that's where it starts ? |
| 16:54.51 | stinebd | and it's also said to last 4 days |
| 16:54.52 | phh | stops* |
| 16:54.58 | k_linux | yes |
| 16:55.06 | phh | wow. |
| 16:55.45 | k_linux | I changed vold and debuggerd it just load the sdcard & stop |
| 16:55.52 | Traveler8 | i have tried the balsat build runing in in ext2 in my diam and i have to says that yes, there is better performance |
| 16:56.12 | phh | Traveler8: i'm the only one who had even poorer performances. |
| 16:56.14 | phh | hum with makkonen. |
| 16:56.18 | [acl] | k_linux: I had the same error but before that i also had the accelerometer give errors |
| 16:56.57 | stinebd | is there a guide to running it on nand with ntfs? |
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| 16:57.13 | phh | stinebd: ntfs ?!? |
| 16:57.14 | k_linux | phh: I replaced libandroid_runtime and got this http://pastebin.com/jpe1P8Hd |
| 16:57.18 | Traveler8 | phh: it sounds strange |
| 16:57.24 | Traveler8 | which device? |
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| 16:57.28 | phh | Traveler8: why ? |
| 16:57.28 | phh | diamond |
| 16:57.35 | phh | or rhod ? |
| 16:57.37 | phh | hum can't remember |
| 16:57.41 | stinebd | diamond |
| 16:57.49 | stinebd | that was before you had the rhod |
| 16:58.03 | phh | k_linux: libandroid_runtime is backward incompatible, that sounds pretty obvious ... |
| 16:58.10 | phh | stinebd: ok |
| 16:58.24 | k_linux | phh: ok |
| 16:58.37 | Traveler8 | lol i cant belive, i tried it and boot faster and runs smothly, could it be because when you tried the build wasnt good enought? |
| 16:58.48 | phh | Traveler8: ext2 is a poor FS when dealing with MMC |
| 16:59.08 | phh | Traveler8: it was the same build on the partition and on the loopback ... |
| 16:59.15 | phh | and I'm not the only one with such results |
| 16:59.17 | [acl] | phh: i didnt mix and match libs and still had the same vold error like klinux |
| 16:59.32 | phh | don't take care of vold ... |
| 16:59.57 | stinebd | i'm ready to rip winmo off my fuze now |
| 17:00.20 | phh | stinebd: ask chamonix, I think he has the procedure written |
| 17:00.39 | stinebd | phh: does all the hardware work without winmo yet? |
| 17:00.39 | mcbridematt | phh: thanks, that cmd line got it working |
| 17:00.49 | klinux | phh: I tried replacing a lot of bin/lib no luck |
| 17:00.56 | phh | stinebd: this still uses wimo as a bootloader |
| 17:01.02 | stinebd | ugh |
| 17:01.06 | phh | klinux: it only sounds like wrong init.r |
| 17:01.06 | phh | c |
| 17:01.22 | phh | stinebd: we can't boot panel without it atm |
| 17:01.27 | stinebd | get on that :P |
| 17:01.28 | klinux | phh: let me check |
| 17:01.40 | [acl] | klinux: i took the init.rc from the heroc froyo which came i geuss from the nexus 1 |
| 17:01.50 | phh | [acl]: ok |
| 17:02.06 | phh | i've seriously no clue what could be wrong |
| 17:02.08 | phh | dmesg says nothing ? |
| 17:02.29 | klinux | nothing interessting |
| 17:03.11 | phh | k |
| 17:03.53 | phh | then that leaves strace |
| 17:04.25 | [acl] | ahh now it gets interesting. Good thing i dont work on monday. |
| 17:04.54 | klinux | acl: u r chanceful :) |
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| 17:05.58 | [acl] | klinux: well since phh is 99.999999% sure that the kernel will work with froyo. i think its worth looking into. |
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| 17:06.17 | phh | not that many nines. |
| 17:06.39 | stinebd | more? |
| 17:06.57 | klinux | [acl]: np I will get out of office on some mins and can begin mixing :P |
| 17:07.50 | [acl] | klinux: why dont you just try to use the heroc without changes? i mean if it runs fine on it.. all the real work may be in the init,rc |
| 17:09.10 | klinux | [acl]: I forget to extract the init.rc from it other than that the build which gives the second pastebin was heroc one |
| 17:10.17 | klinux | phh: did u try froyo on u r rhod ? |
| 17:10.23 | phh | klinux: quickly yes |
| 17:10.31 | phh | I stopped at 10s of SIGILL. |
| 17:10.46 | stinebd | hah |
| 17:10.47 | stinebd | neon |
| 17:10.51 | phh | stinebd: :p |
| 17:10.57 | klinux | sigill ? |
| 17:11.06 | phh | klinux: illegal cpu instruction |
| 17:11.08 | stinebd | using instruction that doesnt exist on our hardware |
| 17:11.13 | klinux | ok |
| 17:11.45 | klinux | phh: how did u get this log strace ? |
| 17:11.53 | phh | klinux: ? |
| 17:12.17 | klinux | I mean that was on logcat/dmesg or strace logs ? |
| 17:12.24 | phh | on the screen ? :p |
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| 17:12.40 | klinux | phh: :D ok |
| 17:12.54 | bzo | I thought our hardware supports neon |
| 17:13.16 | phh | haha, no. |
| 17:13.32 | bzo | doesn't the doom3 port use it? |
| 17:13.41 | phh | doom3 ?!? |
| 17:13.44 | phh | quake3 you meant perhaps ? |
| 17:13.49 | bzo | err right q3 |
| 17:13.51 | stinebd | duke nukem forever |
| 17:13.51 | phh | they use neon optionnally |
| 17:14.06 | phh | stinebd: runs with software 3D with 4kB of RAM. |
| 17:14.39 | phh | no ? :p |
| 17:15.10 | [acl] | software 3d ? sounds like barbarism |
| 17:15.26 | stinebd | it's the only way to get nexus live wallpaper to work for us :( |
| 17:15.43 | phh | ogle2 ? |
| 17:15.54 | stinebd | not enough video memory |
| 17:16.00 | phh | ah |
| 17:16.05 | stinebd | freaking renderscript |
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| 17:20.10 | bzo | I must be thinking of vfp that our hardware has, not neon |
| 17:20.26 | phh | bzo: our driver has vfp ? |
| 17:20.26 | phh | wow. |
| 17:21.01 | bzo | I think so |
| 17:21.17 | phh | s/driver/device/ |
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| 17:33.09 | bzo | meh, maybe not. The armv6 cores usually have vfp, but it looks like qualcomm removed it |
| 17:37.10 | phh | WTF ?!? |
| 17:37.25 | phh | the liquid has several libraries, which names are the same name as some RPC endpoints -_-' |
| 17:37.40 | phh | like wms, nv, gstk_exp, cm, gsdi_exp |
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| 19:46.47 | stinebd | phh: the initial wiki is more-or-less complete, but i/we need to contact these people to provide email accounts: http://wiki.xdandroid.com/wiki/Development_Team |
| 19:46.59 | stinebd | oh god cat out of bag |
| 19:47.03 | phh | . |
| 19:47.04 | stinebd | should've PMed |
| 19:47.11 | phh | yes you should. |
| 19:47.17 | stinebd | oh well |
| 19:47.29 | stinebd | i plan to move that over to live shortly anyway |
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| 19:47.51 | phh | you forgot captnoord :p |
| 19:48.01 | stinebd | yes |
| 19:48.07 | stinebd | i'm biased against europeans |
| 19:48.43 | stinebd | contributions is nowhere near done too |
| 19:48.56 | stinebd | nobody will read that page anyway |
| 19:49.19 | stinebd | and judging by the forum, nobody will read most of the wiki either |
| 19:49.30 | stinebd | :D |
| 19:51.51 | stinebd | also device matrix not finished yet |
| 19:52.04 | stinebd | but we'll need everyone to update that |
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| 20:02.26 | Kensan | dcordes: hi |
| 20:02.32 | Kensan | dcordes: sorry, haven't gotten around to it. |
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| 21:51.47 | ToAsTcfh | phh: progress |
| 21:51.55 | ToAsTcfh | ? |
| 21:52.49 | phh | where ? |
| 21:53.11 | phh | liquiid got working ril if you care |
| 21:53.20 | phh | ok. that's insane. |
| 21:53.29 | phh | why can't I write it liquid instead of liquiid |
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| 22:03.50 | Captnoord | yoyo |
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| 22:05.32 | phh | haha |
| 22:05.35 | phh | for me it's 'nite :p |
| 22:12.14 | LeTama | phh, can you look at this ? http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/mobile-linux-discuss/2010-May/000090.html |
| 22:12.26 | LeTama | any idea for us ? |
| 22:13.29 | phh | LeTama: disactivate I/D caches ? |
| 22:14.47 | LeTama | ok, I will try that |
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| 22:22.47 | LeTama | no change :( |
| 22:26.48 | NetRipper | :s |
| 22:27.01 | NetRipper | looks really weird |
| 22:27.24 | LeTama | definitely |
| 22:31.27 | NetRipper | hm |
| 22:31.32 | NetRipper | could it have to do with THUMB vs ARM? |
| 22:32.50 | LeTama | yes, thought it could be something like this |
| 22:33.23 | LeTama | but why, this is a good question |
| 22:33.37 | LeTama | far too much complicated for me... |
| 22:33.55 | NetRipper | it goes beyond me as well |
| 22:35.22 | dcordes | hm same here. looks like we need some extra help |
| 22:36.06 | dcordes | this is definitely a pointer that something is wrong on our end (kernel) |
| 22:36.31 | LeTama | yes, this time it's quite explicit |
| 22:36.31 | dcordes | I have another experiment supporting this |
| 22:37.37 | NetRipper | hm |
| 22:37.39 | dcordes | it is possible to run debian armel on passion/nexus one without problems. same qsd8250. try it on leo. you will get the usual illegal instruction |
| 22:37.49 | NetRipper | there are some qsd8x50 cpu bug workarounds in the kernel |
| 22:38.04 | NetRipper | disabled in our config |
| 22:38.20 | NetRipper | oh sorry, cortex-a8, but that's what supposed to be in qsd8x50 |
| 22:38.35 | NetRipper | the ARM errata stuff under system type |
| 22:38.44 | dcordes | I tried that |
| 22:38.47 | dcordes | see ml |
| 22:39.03 | NetRipper | guess i missed that |
| 22:39.14 | dcordes | I think I will explain the situation on the armlinux msm mailing list |
| 22:39.19 | NetRipper | ah |
| 22:39.51 | dcordes | what else can we do? |
| 22:40.19 | dcordes | NetRipper, tried to boot with all combinations of the errata configs and posted dmesg for each boot. see http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/mobile-linux-discuss/2010-May/000081.html |
| 22:40.26 | NetRipper | yea i just saw |
| 22:43.11 | LeTama | by the way, Leo is 8250A, not 8250, maybe everything is in the A ? :) |
| 22:43.28 | dcordes | now that's a good point |
| 22:43.42 | dcordes | ~lart qualcomm's documentation policies |
| 22:43.42 | apt | changes qualcomm's documentation policies's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 22:44.03 | dcordes | LeTama, NetRipper do you guys know where the git is arm linux msm guys are working in ? |
| 22:44.51 | LeTama | no idea... |
| 22:45.24 | dcordes | tried to look it up on armlinux site but it's full of rmk dos and donts. can't see anything useful |
| 22:45.45 | dcordes | LeTama, is there any documentation on A vs non A ? |
| 22:46.15 | LeTama | never find anything about this. I'm not even sure this A thing is legit |
| 22:46.17 | NetRipper | im just looking at some differences between our cnfig and mahimahi |
| 22:46.27 | NetRipper | might be some interesting to try.. but its a shot in the dark |
| 22:46.30 | dcordes | LeTama, where does it say leo has A ? |
| 22:46.39 | NetRipper | winmo says so |
| 22:46.44 | dcordes | ah |
| 22:46.59 | dcordes | maybe it is like msm7201A vs msm7200A |
| 22:47.42 | NetRipper | http://www.netripper.com/leo/20100529_diff_config.txt |
| 22:48.28 | hamagc | question guys, on raph, what are you seeing for battery time? gms vs cdma? |
| 22:48.35 | LeTama | I saw it written at multiple location, can't find one right now |
| 22:48.43 | NetRipper | ARM_UNWIND, BRANCH_PROFILE_..? |
| 22:48.45 | Captnoord | max about 26 hours of sleep |
| 22:48.50 | Captnoord | 22 - 26 hours of sleep |
| 22:48.50 | hamagc | i'm seeing some gms guys stating 10+ hours with usage. |
| 22:48.56 | Captnoord | yup |
| 22:48.59 | Captnoord | thats about max |
| 22:49.00 | Captnoord | atm |
| 22:49.10 | hamagc | wow, i'm seeing 6+ on cdma |
| 22:49.19 | hamagc | with some useage, i wouldn't consider it heavy |
| 22:49.20 | Captnoord | I don't have cdma |
| 22:49.23 | Captnoord | so I just won't know |
| 22:49.47 | hamagc | interesting... i'm hoping makk can chime in with what he is getting. |
| 22:50.24 | PSPdemon | i see about 5-7 hours with heavy usage ( then again im on the rhodium... ) |
| 22:50.27 | dcordes | NetRipper, what does the help say |
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| 22:51.10 | LeTama | NetRipper, tried ARM_UNWIND already as I had some unwind issue with glibc, it doesn't seem to change much |
| 22:51.53 | hamagc | 5-7 with heavy is good. rhodium on gsm or cdma? |
| 22:52.14 | PSPdemon | gsm |
| 22:52.29 | dcordes | LeTama, NetRipper what's up with branch profile ? |
| 22:52.40 | hamagc | i wonder if gsm is getting better battery due to the radio. |
| 22:52.49 | NetRipper | hmm LeTama |
| 22:53.08 | NetRipper | what if the processor is in thumb mode because the init or kernel uses it |
| 22:53.28 | NetRipper | ah man doesnt add up |
| 22:53.31 | NetRipper | should've crashed sooner |
| 22:53.38 | PSPdemon | hamagc, what i should say is light browsing of the web and all time andchat usage ( so constant 3g back and forth ) |
| 22:53.54 | LeTama | Ouch, I messed up the desactivate I/D caches test I did. It was not. Trying again... |
| 22:54.21 | NetRipper | was thinking.. first few 32-bit arm instructions could be valid 16-bit thumb instructions... until it hits one that doesnt work |
| 22:54.25 | hamagc | jeez, andchat kills my battery. i'm going to try to play with some settings tonight to see if i can strech it out with usage. |
| 22:54.43 | NetRipper | not sure how far it got into the app looking at what you dumped |
| 22:54.59 | PSPdemon | i dont have the backlight on all the time....and when i do its pretty low ( since most of the time its mood lighting ) |
| 22:55.13 | PSPdemon | so i guess thats one reason im getting good battery life... |
| 22:55.44 | hamagc | i usually have backlight on medium (of the 3 settings). ledeffects is telling me i'm still hitting deepsleep cycle. i dunno? |
| 22:56.07 | ToAsTcfh | phh: awesome |
| 22:57.27 | hamagc | ok guys, have a great weekend. |
| 22:57.48 | Kensan | dcordes: hi |
| 22:57.57 | Kensan | dcordes: still having issues with binaries? |
| 22:58.44 | dcordes | Kensan, hi. debian armel works fine on nexus, right? |
| 22:59.12 | NetRipper | i think compiling everything from scratch makes it work but we're unable to use existing binaries |
| 23:00.01 | Kensan | dcordes: according to this http://www.irregular-expression.com/?p=30 |
| 23:00.03 | Kensan | dcordes: yes |
| 23:00.08 | dcordes | compiling busybox from scatch makes busybox work |
| 23:00.22 | Kensan | dcordes: abi breakage? |
| 23:00.22 | dcordes | Kensan, it fails on leo |
| 23:00.34 | Kensan | dcordes: or do you think it's a kernel issue? |
| 23:01.00 | NetRipper | i think all android binaries and everyhting we built so far was already built with EABI |
| 23:01.25 | dcordes | Kensan, right now it looks like that. or rather unlikely some difference in the cpu. but I don't see any sense intaht |
| 23:02.55 | LeTama | Netripper, can't be sure, but pthread_attr_init is called from __libc_init, so quite quickly. __libc_init is thumb |
| 23:02.56 | Kensan | dcordes: just to check: the issue shows up on multiple devices with different images/kernels right? |
| 23:03.05 | dcordes | Kensan, yes. |
| 23:03.13 | Kensan | dcordes: just to be sure it's not a hardware failure or something like that... |
| 23:04.09 | Kensan | but if building/linking everything from scratch solves the issue it seems to hint at ABI breakage, no? |
| 23:04.16 | Kensan | hm... |
| 23:05.04 | NetRipper | LeTama, makes me wonder if there is a problem switching between thumb and arm |
| 23:05.06 | dcordes | well. that only applies to busybox. |
| 23:05.08 | dcordes | Kensan, |
| 23:05.14 | Kensan | hm about thumb. don't these processors support thumbII |
| 23:05.19 | NetRipper | busybox yes |
| 23:05.22 | NetRipper | -busybox |
| 23:05.30 | jakobdroid | excuse my ignorance, when you mention ABI you are speaking of application binary interface correct? |
| 23:05.35 | NetRipper | yes |
| 23:06.06 | Kensan | this seems really peculiar |
| 23:07.40 | Kensan | what does busybox link? |
| 23:07.58 | LeTama | NetRipper, it could be. I don't really understand how arm proc does switch modes |
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| 23:08.38 | NetRipper | LeTama, neither do i |
| 23:10.04 | NetRipper | i gotta go off |
| 23:10.15 | NetRipper | cya guys later |
| 23:11.07 | LeTama | okcya |
| 23:12.32 | dcordes | NetRipper, ttyl |
| 23:12.37 | Kensan | I need to get the console output of my nexus |
| 23:12.54 | dcordes | Kensan, yes would still be interesting to see |
| 23:15.55 | LeTama | ok, re-did the I/C disable, this time right. Doesn't change the problem. |
| 23:16.13 | dcordes | pity |
| 23:16.56 | Kensan | dcordes: will build kernel and image tomorrow |
| 23:17.38 | LeTama | got run too guys, cya later... |
| 23:17.41 | Kensan | dcordes: maybe I will be able to disable the bootloader screeny without having to repack and flash the image. |
| 23:17.48 | Kensan | LeTama: later |
| 23:17.55 | dcordes | LeTama, cya |
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| 23:21.12 | Kensan | hehe |
| 23:21.15 | Kensan | as suspected |
| 23:21.35 | Kensan | # CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE is not set |
| 23:21.59 | dcordes | Kensan, think it will overwrite splash? |
| 23:22.22 | Kensan | dcordes: well if not I'll zap the bootsplash thing |
| 23:23.31 | Kensan | anyway, going to grab some sleep |
| 23:23.39 | Kensan | see you tomorrow |
| 23:23.46 | Kensan | and good luck |
| 23:23.48 | Kensan | ;) |
| 23:25.08 | dcordes | same |
| 23:25.09 | dcordes | ttyl |
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