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| 00:01.57 | noellenchris | cass u have the wrapper right.. |
| 00:02.09 | noellenchris | or are u trying to commit it |
| 00:02.31 | Cass | i trying to patch the source with letamas changes |
| 00:02.32 | noellenchris | not that I'm any help :) |
| 00:02.46 | Cass | it fails in a few places |
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| 00:37.48 | Cass | Letama - adding sleep(10); before the first send_modem command fixes the cell switching issue i mentioned before.. cant make it happen no more |
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| 00:38.27 | Cass | need to figure why data does not work on boot now unless switch data off/on |
| 00:42.01 | noellenchris | good news cass, can i also test your wrapper with the added sleep(10) ? thanks |
| 00:43.53 | Cass | sure .. lemme upload it |
| 00:44.24 | noellenchris | thx... |
| 00:45.31 | Cass | http://www.mediafire.com/?08dsqwpqxc1akn6 |
| 00:47.33 | noellenchris | got it, I'll keep it on my phone and when I reboot it'll be pushed... thx |
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| 01:21.01 | curiousGeorge | How is development coming? |
| 01:21.10 | curiousGeorge | Namely, the Ubuntu 0.3 release? |
| 01:23.37 | Rajko | sleeps are EVIL |
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| 01:26.08 | Cass | yep |
| 01:26.23 | Cass | but not as evil as no data |
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| 01:39.27 | Cass | letama - ahh network does work on first boot .. seems android cannot use the dns until it switches cell or data goes up/down .. weird |
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| 03:29.10 | curiousGeorge | speaking of evil, what happened to non-android development? |
| 03:29.22 | Cass | its behind you |
| 03:29.25 | Cass | boo |
| 03:29.26 | curiousGeorge | what? |
| 03:29.29 | curiousGeorge | *looks* |
| 03:30.10 | curiousGeorge | (boo) |
| 03:30.10 | curiousGeorge | very funny cass >:/ |
| 03:30.16 | Cass | :p |
| 03:30.49 | theredund | :P |
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| 03:41.21 | curiousGeorge | anyway, yeah. |
| 03:41.26 | curiousGeorge | what happened to "real" linux? |
| 03:41.32 | curiousGeorge | meego, ubuntu, and so forth? |
| 03:41.58 | Cass | if you want to be pedantic your already running "real linux" |
| 03:42.05 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 03:42.07 | Cass | those are distors |
| 03:43.48 | curiousGeorge | distros |
| 03:43.52 | Cass | yes |
| 03:43.54 | curiousGeorge | unlike android |
| 03:43.55 | curiousGeorge | XD |
| 03:43.59 | curiousGeorge | which is a monster :-o |
| 03:44.10 | curiousGeorge | it's surprisingly closed |
| 03:44.11 | Cass | well depends on what you want |
| 03:44.15 | curiousGeorge | such a reliance on closed libraries |
| 03:44.40 | curiousGeorge | the divorce between the "android" name and everything "linux" on Google's part doesn't help matters much |
| 03:44.41 | Cass | im not a gpl whore .. just want sth to work |
| 03:45.25 | curiousGeorge | It feels like... they just stole the kernel because it was free, and they don't want to give anything back -- instead making it hard for the community to benefit from the progress. |
| 03:45.42 | Cass | dont want to give anything back ? |
| 03:45.49 | curiousGeorge | I mean, you don't have to be a GPL whore to understand the beauty of the existing models - kernel, x, unified userspace |
| 03:46.01 | curiousGeorge | well, aside from the funding, summer of code, and work on 2.6.32 XD |
| 03:46.08 | Cass | not getting in to an argument abt this but i can pull aosp and build it |
| 03:46.28 | Cass | the closed libs come from the manuf |
| 03:46.32 | curiousGeorge | what about getting the devices working in android working in any other open linux environment? |
| 03:46.39 | Cass | manuf problem |
| 03:46.48 | Cass | same as ubuntu drivers |
| 03:46.54 | curiousGeorge | even poulsbo works in ubuntu |
| 03:47.06 | curiousGeorge | and that's as horrific (and of course completely closed) as you can get |
| 03:47.20 | Cass | but its different userspace |
| 03:47.33 | Cass | nit kernel related |
| 03:47.33 | curiousGeorge | exactly, and that's part of the problem. |
| 03:47.37 | Cass | not really |
| 03:47.38 | curiousGeorge | fedora, ubuntu, slackware, etc |
| 03:47.42 | curiousGeorge | they all run poulsbo |
| 03:47.47 | Cass | all distros of gtk variety |
| 03:48.01 | curiousGeorge | i run kde on all of them exlusively ;) |
| 03:48.09 | Cass | same diff |
| 03:48.17 | Cass | android is java |
| 03:48.27 | Cass | slightly diff userspace |
| 03:48.29 | curiousGeorge | and native code now, too |
| 03:48.31 | Cass | yes |
| 03:48.32 | curiousGeorge | and not just slightly |
| 03:48.47 | curiousGeorge | you can get a camera polled in linux without any environment |
| 03:49.01 | curiousGeorge | you can read it raw and have the system properly manipulate and interpret the data by use of the driver |
| 03:49.10 | curiousGeorge | because there are things like open standards and protocols |
| 03:49.12 | Cass | im not sure what your arguing here |
| 03:49.16 | curiousGeorge | regardless of how closed the driver is |
| 03:49.36 | Cass | android user space is crap ? |
| 03:49.40 | Cass | and ubunti us not |
| 03:49.41 | Cass | ? |
| 03:50.06 | Cass | -chat anyway this is spam here |
| 03:50.12 | curiousGeorge | the point is, android deliberately obfuscates and closes essential components and runtime libs/userspace so that other distros can't operate with its drivers and such |
| 03:51.16 | Cass | i dont see it like that at all ... i see it as 2 diff os's that should be used depending on your needs |
| 03:51.51 | curiousGeorge | but they're not different -- the difference is artificial and malicious, existing only to obfuscate and make things difficult for others in the name of closedness |
| 03:52.03 | curiousGeorge | maemo is "standard linux" |
| 03:52.19 | Cass | with special 3d drivers for hardware |
| 03:52.23 | Cass | closed |
| 03:53.15 | curiousGeorge | and yet compatible with other distros built with the same base ;) |
| 03:53.19 | curiousGeorge | see? pretty slick |
| 03:53.31 | Cass | built on same base ? means what ? |
| 03:53.42 | curiousGeorge | same version of kernel and x = success |
| 03:53.54 | Cass | of course kernel != distro |
| 03:54.04 | Cass | x is not android |
| 03:54.12 | Cass | android does not use x |
| 03:54.15 | curiousGeorge | XD of course not, that's the point |
| 03:54.22 | Cass | then your point is madness |
| 03:54.28 | curiousGeorge | they use the kernel but spit on the other established standards that comprise the standard distro |
| 03:54.33 | Cass | just because android does not use x then its bad |
| 03:54.48 | curiousGeorge | maemo and debian on the same foundation can use the same drivers on the n900 |
| 03:55.09 | curiousGeorge | but it's near impossible to use things like sound, camera, 3D from android in any other distro |
| 03:55.11 | Cass | yes as can hd2 on ubuntu or debian |
| 03:55.23 | Cass | what is the point as im not getting it |
| 03:55.30 | curiousGeorge | did you try either? |
| 03:55.36 | curiousGeorge | you can't use 3D in ubuntu on the hd2 |
| 03:55.37 | Cass | on hd2 .. no |
| 03:55.47 | Cass | i want a phone os not a pc one |
| 03:55.49 | curiousGeorge | nor sound -- without a hacked wrapper (to basically circumvent the obfuscation) |
| 03:56.03 | curiousGeorge | then maemo or meego or ubuntu NBR/mobile is for you! |
| 03:56.07 | curiousGeorge | but also standard distros |
| 03:56.13 | curiousGeorge | that don't deliberately obfuscate things |
| 03:56.37 | Cass | maemo / meego is not as it does not have 3d drivers and wont run gui |
| 03:57.18 | curiousGeorge | not on the hd2 as it stands, no. that's because the hd2's drivers are pulled from android systems -- that's why they can only be effectively used with android |
| 03:57.46 | Cass | correct !!!! finally .. its not androids fault .. its the manufactures of hw as they dont relase code |
| 03:57.48 | curiousGeorge | (unless there are laborious developer's hours wasted trying to code things up from scratch or make wrappers or ) |
| 03:58.05 | curiousGeorge | even if they did, then what? if it compiles, it'll only do so for android |
| 03:58.18 | Cass | would it really ? as its all at kernel level those things |
| 03:58.24 | curiousGeorge | nope |
| 03:58.26 | Cass | userland makes no diff |
| 03:58.35 | curiousGeorge | oh but it does, and that's precisely the issue! |
| 03:58.40 | Cass | ok then ill bite |
| 03:59.15 | Cass | whats the issue ? |
| 03:59.27 | Cass | gfx drivers are not userspace |
| 03:59.32 | Cass | yur point ? |
| 03:59.43 | curiousGeorge | come on XD try compiling one for linux |
| 03:59.59 | curiousGeorge | you'll see lists of mesa, xorg, and now even some preliminary wayland dependencies |
| 04:00.21 | curiousGeorge | but for android? closed lib 1, closed platform spec 2, open (but drastically unfamiliar) base 3, etc |
| 04:00.35 | Cass | exactly .. all stuff android does not use .. android does not need some bloated x server to run |
| 04:00.44 | curiousGeorge | you don't need bloat. |
| 04:00.45 | Cass | why shold it |
| 04:00.49 | Cass | x = bloat |
| 04:00.58 | curiousGeorge | microXwin and wayland have proven otherwise |
| 04:01.30 | Cass | so they should use some obscure x sevrer now just to keep 0.00001 % people happy ? |
| 04:01.30 | curiousGeorge | and it takes more work (on Google's part) to write a whole new (initially buggy) replacement than to slim down what they had |
| 04:01.34 | curiousGeorge | maego was fine |
| 04:02.01 | curiousGeorge | no, just use what's already there. and therefore contribute (and not waste their and other dev's man hours) |
| 04:02.08 | curiousGeorge | all for dubious and often counter-productive results |
| 04:02.21 | Ondalf | lol'd "maego" sorry for nit picking ;) |
| 04:02.27 | curiousGeorge | XD |
| 04:03.17 | hastarin | Variety/choice is good. Google release their code. I get your point, but I definitely don't agree with it. |
| 04:03.26 | Ondalf | so today's topic is making hw3d driver for X it seems... |
| 04:03.37 | Cass | i give up .. im agreeing to disagree .. they are diff os's .. diff userland and support diff needs .. X imho is bad for a phone ... cba arguing the point no more |
| 04:03.58 | Cass | use ubuntu and dial a friend .. |
| 04:03.58 | curiousGeorge | not to mention a lot of time and effort is put into kernel-forward driver frameworks that have published benefits. if DRI2/GEM/GALLIUM work, why load in some other nonsense to further mire the linux world with conflicting specs |
| 04:04.02 | Cass | ohh can you do that ? |
| 04:04.55 | curiousGeorge | yes you can |
| 04:04.57 | curiousGeorge | (TM) |
| 04:05.02 | Cass | lol |
| 04:05.03 | curiousGeorge | but they can't hear you. why? |
| 04:05.11 | curiousGeorge | because android's ridiculous sound framework |
| 04:05.16 | curiousGeorge | why not use alsa? |
| 04:05.18 | Cass | cos ubuntu sux and android rocks (TM) |
| 04:05.21 | curiousGeorge | pulseaudio? |
| 04:05.22 | curiousGeorge | OSS? |
| 04:05.25 | Cass | alsa ? |
| 04:05.28 | Cass | hack |
| 04:05.36 | curiousGeorge | hardly |
| 04:05.39 | hastarin | So on one hand you're arguing for Open Source, on the other you're arguing against multiple approaches to solving a problem. Your argument is seriously invalid. |
| 04:05.40 | curiousGeorge | what android has now is a hack |
| 04:05.50 | curiousGeorge | no, multiple approaches is good |
| 04:06.07 | Cass | no what android has is a tailored approch agreed on with diff hw manuf's |
| 04:06.56 | curiousGeorge | but when you deliberately invest so much time and effort into doing something "your own way" just to either avoid contributing to others or, more likely, making sure other distros can't do the same |
| 04:07.03 | curiousGeorge | this isn't the same as "multiple approaches" within a distro |
| 04:07.19 | curiousGeorge | i can and do switch from gallium to dri with my intel gfx |
| 04:07.26 | curiousGeorge | it literally takes a single logout |
| 04:07.34 | curiousGeorge | not even a reboot |
| 04:08.09 | curiousGeorge | multiple ways of doing things is great, when it contributes to the community. It almost always does, with rare exceptions among which Android undoubtedly falls |
| 04:08.19 | Ondalf | one SIG_TERM with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? |
| 04:08.33 | Cass | so just because google foes not use X its bad .. |
| 04:08.38 | Cass | does* |
| 04:08.43 | vegaman | write your own drivers and ask qualcomm for support |
| 04:08.51 | hastarin | How does Android not contribute to the community? It's open source? |
| 04:09.02 | curiousGeorge | it contributes to its own community only |
| 04:09.07 | curiousGeorge | it's a community split |
| 04:09.25 | Cass | as does debian et al |
| 04:09.27 | hastarin | The other communities can't take code from it? |
| 04:09.29 | curiousGeorge | restart x with changed xorg -- it takes a single double-click on a desktop icon with elevated privileges |
| 04:09.52 | Cass | different uses |
| 04:09.55 | Ondalf | no clicks in *nix systems. i've had it with mouses :P |
| 04:10.01 | curiousGeorge | how can they? what, like something that completely and arbitrarily breaks perfectly good standards? |
| 04:10.02 | hastarin | Android is for a mobile phone. |
| 04:10.03 | vegaman | well you can do anything with a single double-click, you just have to write the script |
| 04:10.12 | curiousGeorge | so is meego |
| 04:10.14 | hastarin | It's like arguing WP7 should be available to run on a desktop |
| 04:10.25 | curiousGeorge | no... and tablets run android |
| 04:10.29 | curiousGeorge | they also run w7 |
| 04:10.31 | curiousGeorge | that's not the point |
| 04:10.54 | hastarin | Your point is Google should conform to your idea of standards. |
| 04:11.09 | curiousGeorge | android is changing things arbitrarily for the purpose of obfuscation. there are standards, and they're not mine. |
| 04:11.12 | hastarin | How do we get progress/innovation if everyone sticks to the same base approach |
| 04:11.38 | hastarin | I think, like Cass, I'll just have to agree to disagree with you. :) |
| 04:12.01 | curiousGeorge | if things are open, that's great. but this isn't... and it offers nothing others don't except added shells and new so-called "standards" made by google alone |
| 04:12.19 | Cass | as oppose to the gnu crowd ? |
| 04:12.31 | hastarin | What's not open? /boggle |
| 04:12.48 | Cass | hw drivers as i see it |
| 04:12.54 | curiousGeorge | the pathways between other components of existing distros, that's what isn't open |
| 04:13.19 | Cass | so android uses diff api's ? |
| 04:13.21 | Ondalf | Cass: btw, does Desire's kernel have hw3d-things included? |
| 04:13.28 | curiousGeorge | what does android do that fundamentally requires this split and break? |
| 04:13.30 | hastarin | So we have hardware drivers that aren't open for Ubuntu too. |
| 04:13.46 | curiousGeorge | poulsbo |
| 04:13.55 | hastarin | You'd rather we didn't get the accelerated support they offer because the vendors want to keep some things proprietary? |
| 04:14.05 | curiousGeorge | not a bit. |
| 04:14.08 | curiousGeorge | again, poulsbo |
| 04:14.19 | Cass | Ondalf, yes .. yamato hooks and fw that is closed |
| 04:14.32 | curiousGeorge | a great example of a very shoddy closed driver. |
| 04:15.05 | Ondalf | Cass: ah. i'm out these things... haven't followed how things goes nowadays with android overall... i just use it |
| 04:15.05 | curiousGeorge | just a binary blob, but since it conforms to the standards, it's usable in everything from old ubuntu to new ubuntu to fedora to distro X, Y, and Z |
| 04:15.20 | Cass | Ondalf, and thats the point :) its a phone |
| 04:15.34 | curiousGeorge | yes, but it's also open source. and linux. |
| 04:15.59 | curiousGeorge | but yet it's done in a way that's both "derisive and divisive" to the linux community for no gain at all. |
| 04:16.01 | tmzt | as for X itself, I'm running it on bionic |
| 04:16.30 | tmzt | clients would need someway to use the gl lib unless the gles proxy could abstract that |
| 04:16.43 | curiousGeorge | turbopup runs a full X system including functional DE. wanna know how much RAM it takes up? |
| 04:17.00 | tmzt | and bionic isn't that differnt, it might be possible to emulate the little bit of abi needed |
| 04:17.04 | tmzt | turbopup? |
| 04:17.10 | curiousGeorge | that's right. |
| 04:17.11 | Ondalf | i guess puppylinux :| |
| 04:17.21 | curiousGeorge | full kernel, full x, full DE. 10MB of RAM up and running |
| 04:17.22 | curiousGeorge | 10MB |
| 04:17.29 | curiousGeorge | the hd2 has 512. |
| 04:17.47 | curiousGeorge | excluding the gfx ram (another 64 or so) |
| 04:17.57 | tmzt | oh, puppy isn't current Xorg though |
| 04:18.02 | tmzt | pertty sure it's still kdrive |
| 04:18.10 | tmzt | at least dsl was |
| 04:18.34 | curiousGeorge | current? what does that have to do with it? poulsbo runs on ubuntu 8.04 just as well as it does on 10.04 |
| 04:18.39 | curiousGeorge | with drastically different X versions |
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| 04:18.56 | curiousGeorge | including video acceleration and h264 decoding |
| 04:19.31 | curiousGeorge | in 9.10 ubuntu, i had full 3D desktop composting up and running in minutes. |
| 04:19.56 | curiousGeorge | so yes, say it is a slightly older version (Slightly!). |
| 04:20.07 | Ondalf | does other-than-android require fancy stuff to access into phone-things? like dataconnections or such? |
| 04:20.10 | curiousGeorge | the newer version takes up about 1.5Mb more in RAM. that's not the end of the world |
| 04:21.18 | Cass | Ondalf, as i see it any distro that uses linux kernel that has to interact with a"any" hw it needs to have a driver .. its up to manufacturer or hackers to provide ... |
| 04:21.36 | Cass | im lost in this whole argument tbh |
| 04:21.41 | Cass | point is moot |
| 04:22.04 | curiousGeorge | no, it's not. you just don't get it... stuff built for android doesn't work on anything but android. that's the point. |
| 04:22.15 | curiousGeorge | stuff built for meego runs on ubuntu. |
| 04:22.16 | curiousGeorge | i've tried it |
| 04:22.20 | Cass | the point is its a diff os |
| 04:22.21 | Ondalf | oh, so what part of phone software/hw interacts with data functions? i recall it was libril.so |
| 04:22.35 | Cass | just becuse it uses same kernel means nothing |
| 04:22.50 | curiousGeorge | diff os? that's EXACTLY the point. a diff os based on linux but isn't compatible with anything else based on linux? |
| 04:23.00 | Cass | who cares !!!!!! |
| 04:23.06 | Cass | its a diff os |
| 04:23.17 | Ondalf | curiousGeorge: pretty much, since atleast diablo (one build of maemo) had debian based base for arm. i toyed a while with N715 |
| 04:23.24 | Cass | can you run tivo on ubuntu .. no !! |
| 04:23.40 | curiousGeorge | the community of course. until these guys came along everyone had the common decency to give back and to use what was already there, to improve or replace as necessary. |
| 04:24.18 | Cass | so they created a diff community and that makes them bad .. ok i get it |
| 04:24.27 | curiousGeorge | can you run tivo on android? |
| 04:24.39 | Cass | no and thats my point .. it does not matter |
| 04:24.43 | Cass | its a diff system |
| 04:25.02 | curiousGeorge | arbitrarily and annoyingly so, yes. which hurts both android and everyone else. |
| 04:25.09 | Ondalf | anyone tried running NetBSD on phone? its said to work on almost anything that has processor inside :) |
| 04:25.26 | curiousGeorge | if i could just build mplayer+gui on android like i could on any other flavor of linux.... |
| 04:25.50 | curiousGeorge | likewise, we could benefit from some of the apps released on android in other distros |
| 04:26.09 | Ondalf | and about the NetBSD, why i bring that up: http://www.embeddedarm.com/software/arm-netbsd-toaster.php |
| 04:26.12 | curiousGeorge | but that's the thing--google doesn't want that. they want to hog it all to themselves. and yet they unabashedly use the kernel |
| 04:26.18 | Cass | so port dalvik to ubuntu |
| 04:26.18 | curiousGeorge | YES I SAW THAT TOASTER! I WANT IT XD |
| 04:27.08 | curiousGeorge | that wouldn't be such an incredibly tall order if it were initially built on the same framework as other "regular" distros, now would it? |
| 04:27.13 | Ondalf | and that was year 2005 :) |
| 04:27.15 | vegaman | and there's no reason you can't port mplayer, they use uclibc instead of glibc which will probably be your biggest hurdle |
| 04:27.36 | Cass | framework == ? |
| 04:27.49 | Cass | apache java derivitive |
| 04:27.54 | Cass | open |
| 04:28.35 | Ondalf | i wonder when someone comes and asks if Symbian is runnable on HTC phones... |
| 04:29.09 | Cass | haha .. yeah .. does not run x or adnroids version so we are screwed .. bad Nokia ! |
| 04:29.14 | curiousGeorge | framework = everything else that google made from scratch |
| 04:29.33 | tmzt | huh? |
| 04:29.38 | tmzt | Nokia what? |
| 04:29.43 | tmzt | MeeGo is still X |
| 04:29.58 | Cass | symbian != meego |
| 04:30.04 | Ondalf | tmzt: note my saying |
| 04:30.20 | tmzt | sure you could run tivo on ubuntu |
| 04:30.30 | Cass | im listening ? |
| 04:30.52 | Cass | closed drivers i key ill bet |
| 04:30.55 | Cass | *is |
| 04:31.11 | curiousGeorge | mythtv is all i used there XD |
| 04:31.13 | tmzt | ooh, ok |
| 04:31.22 | curiousGeorge | mythbuntu |
| 04:31.27 | Cass | for tivo ? |
| 04:31.32 | tmzt | which version of tivo and which hardware does it depend on? |
| 04:31.51 | tmzt | like, tivo 1 was ppc right? but it needed a mpeg2 decoder |
| 04:31.54 | Cass | tivo is linux kernel plus userland stuff all closed |
| 04:31.55 | curiousGeorge | no clue, never used tivo. just generic dvi/recording/scheduling/encoding |
| 04:31.58 | tmzt | don't expect it to work |
| 04:32.06 | Cass | corrct |
| 04:32.06 | tmzt | but it should run |
| 04:32.16 | Ondalf | afaik TiVo != MythTV at all |
| 04:32.18 | Cass | yeah it would if they released the parts |
| 04:32.48 | Cass | and that is the WHOLE point of this argument .. vendors are closed .. end off |
| 04:32.50 | tmzt | I'm about options/choices so I'm porting X to android and making an easy to use installer |
| 04:33.24 | tmzt | maybe even making a proxy to android ril |
| 04:33.30 | tmzt | haven't figured that part out yet |
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| 04:33.44 | Cass | good man ... you'll make one of us at least happy :P |
| 04:33.44 | tmzt | but you would have the option ot use a full ubuntu, etc. under chroot |
| 04:33.48 | tmzt | or just a desktop |
| 04:34.09 | tmzt | hah, I think people will like abiword |
| 04:34.15 | Ondalf | i bet it looks cool on QVGA Kaiser screen :) |
| 04:34.22 | tmzt | I looked ath the quickoffice that came on my g2 |
| 04:34.31 | tmzt | and it's not very useful |
| 04:34.40 | tmzt | X on kaiser already works |
| 04:34.46 | tmzt | dcordes had it 2+ years ago |
| 04:34.49 | vegaman | it's good for opening documents |
| 04:34.59 | curiousGeorge | vendors are closed, but because android deliberately changed how the hardware interacts with the software, all the apis and abis, and then took in closed drivers. |
| 04:35.08 | Ondalf | yup, noted those ubuntu projects at android dev side |
| 04:35.14 | curiousGeorge | closed drivers on other linux distros isn't such a big deal. again, poulsbo |
| 04:35.36 | Cass | curiousGeorge, its all the same .. closed == closed ! |
| 04:35.44 | Cass | as far as your argument goes |
| 04:36.03 | curiousGeorge | you said yourself. you want it to work. this way it doesn't. compatibility is gone. we don't have choice. |
| 04:36.06 | Ondalf | what the heck is poulsbo other than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub ? |
| 04:36.08 | curiousGeorge | it's their way (android) or the highway |
| 04:36.20 | Ondalf | oh |
| 04:36.22 | Cass | correct .. dont like it.. dnt use it |
| 04:36.23 | Ondalf | it is that -.- |
| 04:36.38 | curiousGeorge | that's not the spirit of linux or the community or open source. |
| 04:36.53 | tmzt | Ondalf: the power vr graphics embedded in it |
| 04:36.59 | curiousGeorge | but deliberately killing interoperability is much worse. |
| 04:37.13 | tmzt | android didn't change how the hardware interacts with software |
| 04:38.31 | Cass | thank you |
| 04:38.40 | Cass | someone gets it |
| 04:39.13 | curiousGeorge | it didn't change it, it redefined it. that's what pisses me off more than anything |
| 04:39.18 | curiousGeorge | i want to get my camera working. i can't. |
| 04:39.36 | tmzt | wait for omx source |
| 04:39.51 | tmzt | except that will be from nokia or linaro, not google |
| 04:39.57 | Cass | maybe |
| 04:40.00 | curiousGeorge | i want to get the 3d working, the sound working, etc |
| 04:40.06 | tmzt | what are you doing? |
| 04:40.11 | Cass | moaning |
| 04:40.22 | curiousGeorge | hey it isn't that steamy in here ;) |
| 04:40.27 | Cass | heh |
| 04:48.30 | curiousGeorge | ....That said, if the impossible is actually realized, and alsa + V4L + qualcomm 3D blob wrapper is completed... this would make a mean tablet. |
| 04:49.54 | curiousGeorge | a phone usable as a phone via NBR or something like "Kubuntu Mobile Technology Preview" ... or even meego... |
| 04:50.05 | curiousGeorge | but with full support of desktop apps! |
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| 04:50.53 | curiousGeorge | heck it's already close -- doesn't "need" 3D and can run crippled |
| 04:51.01 | curiousGeorge | OpenOffice, GIMP, etc can run |
| 04:51.23 | curiousGeorge | real firefox too |
| 04:51.41 | Cass | your on your own .. |
| 04:52.01 | curiousGeorge | whip out that foldable bluetooth keyboard and voila. computer. |
| 04:52.11 | curiousGeorge | no i'm not. XD |
| 04:52.27 | curiousGeorge | why wouldn't anyone appreciate the power of a desktop in a phone? |
| 04:52.56 | curiousGeorge | and all for free, unlike the apps in the app store needed just to "mark up" documents, forget editing and creating them |
| 04:53.12 | curiousGeorge | much more than an ipad could ever be, all in a 4.3" ubuntu tablet XD |
| 04:53.22 | Ondalf | because its phone. |
| 04:53.32 | curiousGeorge | yes. but it doesn't have to be. |
| 04:53.49 | curiousGeorge | break the mold. it's just a phone. Yes. but it can be much much more |
| 04:54.10 | vegaman | do something about it other than ranting in a dev channel then |
| 04:54.17 | curiousGeorge | than another one of those random pseudo-closed iphone-like "android" things |
| 04:54.31 | curiousGeorge | now i'm not ranting, i'm trying to envision the possibilities and awaken others to them. |
| 04:55.52 | curiousGeorge | so. a tablet with flash (unlike the ipad -- also requires 3D to work for acceleration--darn android-exclusive closed driver!), but a real document editor (beats ipad's), real phone and camera (beats ipad), access to thousands of the best open source software. |
| 04:56.35 | curiousGeorge | the ability to carry your computer in your pocket -- as a phone and usable as such! -- doesn't that make anybody happy? |
| 04:56.41 | Ondalf | phone requires the ability to call someone and that doesn't require whole desktop based OS to make call especially if interacting with components required for it are closed by manufacturers. why not followig the KISS method? |
| 04:57.18 | curiousGeorge | actually you can receive calls in ubuntu. there's just no sound because of the driver issue and other android-related quirks |
| 04:57.31 | curiousGeorge | the phone function is controlled not by the OS but by the radio |
| 04:57.36 | curiousGeorge | as is the scanning and so forth |
| 04:57.58 | curiousGeorge | the OS just needs to interact with it on an incredibly basic level |
| 04:58.35 | curiousGeorge | the KISS method applies to free upgrade phones |
| 04:58.46 | curiousGeorge | not a 1ghz computer with more RAM than my mother's desktop. |
| 04:59.25 | curiousGeorge | that said, the interface can be very usable and touch friendly -- see "mobile preview" or "netbook remix". |
| 05:00.34 | curiousGeorge | Plus, turbopup is a full-fledged modern desktop distro that runs in 10MB RAM and takes up only 100MB of disk space. So it's not like things have to be unnecessarily bloated to have the power of a desktop in your hand. |
| 05:02.37 | curiousGeorge | sense alone takes up...what, pretty close to that much. all the hype over android is just hype. people are unwilling to acknowledge its severe limitations and the harm it does to other established linux distro standards. |
| 05:02.55 | curiousGeorge | that said, it still beats winmo into the ground, eh? :) |
| 05:03.04 | tmzt | cool, is there an arm version? |
| 05:03.16 | curiousGeorge | arm version of turbopup? :D |
| 05:03.20 | Ondalf | well, atleast on kaiser anything beats winmo since hw3d |
| 05:03.26 | tmzt | what phone? |
| 05:03.36 | tmzt | yes |
| 05:03.43 | tmzt | what phone doesn't have sound on calls? |
| 05:03.45 | tmzt | tp2 works fine |
| 05:04.10 | Ondalf | tmzt: we were talking about *buntu + calls |
| 05:04.19 | Ondalf | or any other distro + calls |
| 05:04.20 | tmzt | yes which version |
| 05:04.24 | tmzt | which phone |
| 05:04.26 | curiousGeorge | not that i know of. you can build your own arm version using the system called "woof," which will let you take puppy-configured binaries from other distros in armel |
| 05:04.32 | tmzt | tp2 works fine in debian |
| 05:04.39 | curiousGeorge | the hd2 supports calls in other distros, but sound does not currently work. |
| 05:04.43 | tmzt | curiousGeorge: I need a small system img for my native market |
| 05:05.04 | tmzt | I have an lxde desktop I'm using for non-root but Iwant a full .img for a demo image |
| 05:05.09 | tmzt | that downloads quickly |
| 05:05.17 | curiousGeorge | well actually sound can be received through exceptional hacks but not transmitted currently in hd2 ubuntu in calls |
| 05:05.25 | tmzt | hd2? ok |
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| 05:05.32 | tmzt | if it works in android it can work in ubuntu |
| 05:06.13 | curiousGeorge | don't say that so easily. that's the point i was making earlier... because android is so different than "normal" distros, that isn't the case for a lot of things |
| 05:06.55 | tmzt | yes, but code using android ioctls will run on ubuntu |
| 05:06.58 | tmzt | playwav for instance |
| 05:08.09 | curiousGeorge | the audio driver does not work yet in ubuntu because it needs a special alsa compile |
| 05:08.36 | curiousGeorge | over the android nonsense. it currently only works in the kernel and very low-level stuff |
| 05:08.39 | tmzt | alsalib? |
| 05:09.06 | curiousGeorge | yes |
| 05:09.08 | curiousGeorge | try it ;) |
| 05:09.10 | curiousGeorge | it hurts |
| 05:10.12 | curiousGeorge | or oss or pulse, etc |
| 05:11.15 | Ondalf | my opinion about linux sound systems is that after pulseaudio etc appeared, using them became more and more compilcated than they were ages ago |
| 05:11.31 | curiousGeorge | that's why i only use alsa |
| 05:11.49 | Ondalf | OSS with emu10k1 was sometimes painful to get to work correctly |
| 05:12.14 | curiousGeorge | hm, i can understand that |
| 05:13.11 | curiousGeorge | then again, alsa + pulse isn't too bad either |
| 05:13.43 | Ondalf | i used OSS+esd for a long time |
| 05:13.48 | hastarin | How did the HTC Linux development channel become about the perceived downfalls of Android. Please, take the argument elsewhere. Some people try to read through these logs for useful information! |
| 05:13.51 | Ondalf | good times |
| 05:14.10 | curiousGeorge | sorry, sorry |
| 05:19.41 | curiousGeorge | Then again, the "pitfalls of Android" are directly relevant to focusing development effort of HTC Linux. Anyway, I thought you went to bed? |
| 05:21.18 | hastarin | It is not relevant. If you MUST persist with it, take it to -chat |
| 05:21.24 | hastarin | Cass went to bed, not me. |
| 05:24.30 | curiousGeorge | Ah, I thought you said "Night Class" |
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| 05:32.51 | tmzt | Ondalf: because esd is so awesome!!! |
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| 06:14.17 | Willow | does anyone know what method is used to turn on/off the keypad backlight LEDs on an HTC phone? I'm wanted to use the LEDs to find out how far the kernel is booting...if at all. |
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| 06:28.24 | Willow | does anyone know what method is used to turn on/off the keypad backlight LEDs on an HTC phone? I need to use the LEDs to find out how far the kernel is booting...if at all. |
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| 06:50.06 | hastarin | gauner1986: Are you about? |
| 06:50.19 | gauner1986 | hi, for very short, yes |
| 06:51.01 | hastarin | I had to revert the various changes you'd made to cleanup video drivers, in order to merge with the latest git. |
| 06:51.19 | hastarin | Any chance you'll look at doing those again/commiting to the main tree? |
| 06:51.32 | gauner1986 | hum? i didn't do anything on video drivers.. |
| 06:52.01 | Willow | does anyone know what method is used to turn on/off the keypad backlight LEDs on an HTC phone? I need to use the LEDs to find out how far the kernel is booting...if at all. |
| 06:52.03 | hastarin | There was a patch darkstone released. Removed the HDMI files, tweaked msm_fb, etc |
| 06:52.41 | gauner1986 | hastarin: yeah.. i think that was because of the display turn on lag issues.. letama made a patch for temoprarily using the old msmfb.. it isn't needed anymore |
| 06:53.04 | hastarin | gauner1986: Well the display turn on causes music to skip. |
| 06:53.33 | hastarin | Seems to be related to some "full update" thing it does that you'd removed as best I can tell. |
| 06:55.08 | hastarin | http://pastebin.com/8vZdXm7f |
| 06:55.57 | hastarin | The bit about ready, waiting for full update through to turning on panel, doesn't show up when I was using the patch. So I'm just guessing that it's the cause of the skip. Some sort of lock taking too long to do it's thing. |
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| 07:01.03 | hastarin | I'll let LeTama/Markinus know if I see them. We could really use a bug tracker for this stuff. :) |
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| 07:06.11 | cr2_ | Willow: it depends on the phone model |
| 07:07.23 | Willow | HTC Snap S511 |
| 07:09.01 | cr2_ | hm. never heard about it :) |
| 07:09.15 | cr2_ | which cpu is that ? |
| 07:09.26 | Willow | MSM7625 |
| 07:09.36 | cr2_ | ok |
| 07:09.58 | cr2_ | sometimes the leds are on a cpu gpio |
| 07:10.30 | cr2_ | but recently they are controlled by a custom programmed microcontroller |
| 07:10.42 | cr2_ | aka microp |
| 07:11.30 | cr2_ | because then it's easier to deal with leds while the main cpu is sleeping |
| 07:11.43 | Willow | I didn't see evidence of being on gpio when using Haret to monitor gpios |
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| 07:11.55 | cr2_ | trace i2c |
| 07:12.05 | cr2_ | if it works ;) |
| 07:12.31 | Willow | I'm not sure how to trace i2c in Haret |
| 07:12.50 | cr2_ | check where the 0xa9900000 is mapped |
| 07:13.02 | cr2_ | hm. 7625 |
| 07:13.11 | cr2_ | let's hope i2c is at the same address |
| 07:13.53 | cr2_ | do you have the spl dump, wince kernel dump, etc ? |
| 07:13.54 | Willow | is the power management IC the same thing as microp? |
| 07:14.03 | cr2_ | not always |
| 07:14.49 | Willow | I'm using JockyW's hard spl and yes I have a copy of it |
| 07:14.51 | cr2_ | dump mmu 2 0xa9900000 |
| 07:15.25 | Willow | ----- Virtual address map ----- |
| 07:15.25 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.25 | Willow | Descriptor flags legend: |
| 07:15.25 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.26 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.26 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.27 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.27 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.28 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.28 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.29 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.30 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.30 | Willow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.31 | Willow | ----------+----------+---------------+---------------------- |
| 07:16.39 | cr2_ | this is generic |
| 07:16.51 | Willow | I've got a raw dump of 4 partitions and have not found out yet where the CE Kernel is in the dumps. |
| 07:17.17 | cr2_ | dump it (both) from RAM |
| 07:17.39 | cr2_ | i'm not familiar iwth 7625 address spaces |
| 07:17.58 | cr2_ | the spl is probably @0x0 |
| 07:19.18 | Willow | Yes, the spl is at 0x0 but I don't know where the CE Kernel is in RAM |
| 07:20.06 | cr2_ | check the mapping at the beginning of spl |
| 07:20.11 | Willow | Are you saying to dump both 92100000 and b2100000 or to dump both the spl and the kernel? |
| 07:20.29 | cr2_ | if your ram starts @0x10000000, then try to dump 1MB there |
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| 07:20.59 | cr2_ | but it may start somewhere else |
| 07:21.07 | cr2_ | like @0x20000000 |
| 07:21.35 | cr2_ | or with some offset, like 0x18 (=24MB) |
| 07:22.00 | cr2_ | err |
| 07:22.04 | cr2_ | WARNING: modpost: Found 3 section mismatch(es). |
| 07:22.05 | cr2_ | To see full details build your kernel with: |
| 07:22.07 | cr2_ | 'make CONFIG_DEBUG_SECTION_MISMATCH=y' |
| 07:22.09 | cr2_ | heh |
| 07:22.57 | cr2_ | btw, usually the i2c tracing hangs the msm cpu |
| 07:23.07 | cr2_ | but it may have changed recently |
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| 07:26.41 | Willow | Haretlog shows "WinCE reports memory size 134217728 (phys=116621312 store=99409920)" so I'm thought my RAM started at 116621312 or 99409920 but I could be completely wrong. |
| 07:28.41 | cr2_ | no. these are values reported by wince |
| 07:29.11 | cr2_ | you can run 'dump mmu' and look at the output |
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| 08:01.47 | Desiguy | hey guys!!! after i copy to my memory card, and click on it from phone it says it was unsuccessful any ideas? |
| 08:02.08 | Willow | I'm looking over the output from 'dump mmu' and am not seeing anything that tells me what is RAM from ROM. I don't see a physical address starting as 0x10000000 but there is one starting at 0x20000000. There are parts of physical memory starting as low as 0x0. I posted the output at http://pastebin.com/pRdM075i |
| 08:02.40 | Desiguy | hey guys!!! after i copying cab to my memory card, and click on it from phone it says it was unsuccessful any ideas? |
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| 08:04.04 | Desiguy | hey guys!!! after i copy to my memory card, and click on it from phone it says it was unsuccessful any ideas? |
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| 09:56.56 | LeTama | Hello guys |
| 09:57.18 | hastarin | Hi LeTama |
| 09:57.18 | Cass | hiya |
| 09:57.38 | hastarin | That was a short sleep Cass! |
| 09:57.51 | Cass | always is .. work gets in the way :P |
| 09:58.30 | LeTama | hastartin, Cass, thanks for pointing the nand_boot flag. |
| 09:58.44 | hastarin | I'm working with an extended battery user atm to try and get some more debug information with the new kernel. |
| 09:58.54 | Cass | np |
| 09:59.08 | LeTama | I forgot that some couldn't have the latest wrapper |
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| 09:59.39 | hastarin | I used to have it in my cmdline, but removed it when the kernel got the fix to read that from MAGLDR. |
| 10:00.18 | hastarin | All good now though. I'm up and running with your test wrapper. Does the wrapper stop then start the ril-daemon when it detects a crash? |
| 10:00.30 | Cass | not ril .. just pppd |
| 10:00.33 | LeTama | hastarin: no, only pppd |
| 10:00.59 | Cass | LeTama, how old your wrapper code ? i had to apply patch by hand |
| 10:01.00 | Cass | ? |
| 10:01.18 | Cass | did you write it using latest head ? |
| 10:01.22 | hastarin | OK, so I can probably still expect to see the pppd page allocation failure followed by smd_tty issue? |
| 10:01.41 | LeTama | Cass: I tought I did, but it seems not |
| 10:02.02 | Cass | k |
| 10:02.05 | Cass | no biggy |
| 10:02.08 | LeTama | hastarin: yes, probably |
| 10:02.22 | LeTama | hastarin: we need to sort that out |
| 10:03.05 | hastarin | I'm testing my kernel with the PPP fix rolled back but your hi/lo mem change, and an extra line in my init.rc for the hell of it. |
| 10:03.08 | Cass | LeTama, did you see my note about the sleep ? |
| 10:03.16 | LeTama | Cass: Yes. I'd be interested in log with my wrapper of your reconnect problem if you don't have the 10s sleep. |
| 10:03.27 | Cass | ok .. ill get later tiday |
| 10:03.29 | Cass | today |
| 10:04.49 | LeTama | Cass: thanks. I trapped responses in the wrapper, I want to check if we could use them to do it at the right time. |
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| 10:06.06 | hastarin | I don't know what the 10s sleep is but guess I don't have to. :P |
| 10:06.46 | Cass | its needed if ATD command is sent too early when switching from gsm > 3g or back .. send it too early and radio never comes back |
| 10:07.07 | LeTama | Cass: so, without the sleep, you have a AT+pppd re-launched, and pppd sticks ? or does the next relaunch don't work ? |
| 10:07.15 | Cass | does not work |
| 10:07.24 | Cass | on band switch radio turns off |
| 10:07.35 | Cass | if atd is sent at this point needs ril restart |
| 10:07.52 | LeTama | but pppd dies |
| 10:08.09 | Cass | yes it just restarts then dies etc |
| 10:08.43 | LeTama | ok, I see. |
| 10:08.47 | hastarin | LeTama: BTW gauner1986 tells me the hacked msm_fb patch I had and attributed to him actually came from you. Does that sound right? |
| 10:10.56 | LeTama | hastarin: I think. Not 100% sure of what it is. If I understood correctly, this is the old msm_fb we had in nexus kernel |
| 10:11.04 | hastarin | http://gitorious.org/~hastarin/linux-on-wince-htc/hastarins-linux_on_wince_htc/commit/935a9ce79780605671c8a80e65a9a0dd3746081a |
| 10:11.10 | hastarin | Sounds possible. |
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| 10:11.20 | hastarin | I reverted it between my r7.7 and r8 kernel. |
| 10:11.51 | LeTama | hastarin: yes, that's it |
| 10:11.52 | hastarin | People have noted that if they are playing music it skips briefly when the screen turns on. |
| 10:12.06 | hastarin | Ie in r8 |
| 10:12.12 | LeTama | hastarin: right |
| 10:12.38 | hastarin | It seems to be related to a "full update" the driver now does. |
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| 10:12.52 | hastarin | I'm just wondering if it's safe/possible to hack that out again? |
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| 10:13.41 | hastarin | http://pastebin.com/neyU2WxK |
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| 10:13.44 | LeTama | hastarin: well, we don't want the old msm_fb driver, and removing the full update is not really safe |
| 10:14.18 | hastarin | OK so people just have to live with that momentary glitch then. |
| 10:14.46 | LeTama | we could try, but I'm afraid it will result on screen not redrawing when coming out of sleep |
| 10:15.39 | hastarin | OK Something to try when there aren't more important things to deal with then I guess. :) |
| 10:15.39 | LeTama | yes |
| 10:16.02 | hastarin | I do wish gitorious had a bug tracker. I did a quick search for a free hosted one but didn't find any. |
| 10:16.24 | LeTama | that would be nice, yes |
| 10:17.00 | Phally | hastarin: maybe lighthouse app? its used by more OS projects |
| 10:18.20 | hastarin | Hmm, it's free for open source projects by the looks. That might work. |
| 10:18.41 | hastarin | LeTama do you think it's worth setting up something like that? |
| 10:18.52 | vegaman | phew, can get back to kernel hacking once my raid has finished recovery... doubt I'll be able to make any contributions but I'm hopeful |
| 10:20.19 | Cass | LeTama, http://pastebin.com/Pw4kihfF << logs on ppp bahavour with no 10 sec sleep .. omitted the other noise this is the most relevant |
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| 10:20.44 | Cass | you'll see ppp restarter just spin at end |
| 10:20.50 | LeTama | hastarin: it would be nice to have if we maintain it properly |
| 10:22.35 | hastarin | Phally: Thanks for pointing it out. I've seen, and used other as a user, but of course can't find them now. |
| 10:22.59 | hastarin | LeTama: OK I won't do it tonight but when I get a chance I'll investigate getting something setup. |
| 10:23.18 | Cass | LeTama, http://pastebin.com/V4ehRCLx << normal logcat and relevant dmesg but is uninteresting |
| 10:23.19 | LeTama | Cass: did you remove something between 416-445 ? |
| 10:23.55 | Cass | no removed nothing |
| 10:25.52 | Cass | at 419 seems to me a teardown of a connection that really is not active as cell switched at that point had not complete |
| 10:27.34 | LeTama | Cass: ok, I think what we should do is intercept the service state result and potentially issue a service query if we don't have one |
| 10:28.04 | Cass | ok |
| 10:29.20 | Cass | or just add the sleep 10 and be done with it .. works perfect :) |
| 10:29.35 | LeTama | :) |
| 10:29.38 | Cass | really does not waste much time .. 2 secs max |
| 10:30.05 | LeTama | we can do that as temporary workaround, yes |
| 10:30.10 | Phally | hastarin: you could also use github´s issue tracker, but that isn´t really a project manager kind of idea and it will mean migrating the repo which isn´t really preferable |
| 10:30.15 | Cass | haha .. perfectionist |
| 10:30.48 | LeTama | Well, I'm afraid that it could take more time on other networks |
| 10:31.04 | Cass | yes it could your right |
| 10:31.30 | hastarin | Phally: I believe the code was on github previously but moved due to the slowness of it. Lighthouse looks good. I'll sign up and take a look when I get a chance. |
| 10:32.46 | Phally | hastarin: here are some project examples: https://aptana.lighthouseapp.com/dashboard http://cakephp.lighthouseapp.com/dashboard |
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| 10:35.41 | Phally | hastarin: this could be interesting too: https://www.hostedredmine.com/ |
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| 10:40.22 | hastarin | That one looks a bit more comprehensive than we probably need. It reminds me of Trac. |
| 10:41.09 | vegaman | I like Trac |
| 10:41.35 | hastarin | Thanks again. I need to go get some dinner now, so will catch everyone later. I'll be logged on via AndChat shortly no doubt. Might as well test the data while I drive to McDonalds. :p |
| 10:41.45 | vegaman | lol |
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| 11:46.30 | gauner1986 | hi |
| 11:47.28 | HardDisk_WP | hey gauner1986 |
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| 13:26.50 | g3rm | camro here? |
| 13:26.59 | camro | what ? |
| 13:27.22 | g3rm | you know adress for power button led on blackstone? |
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| 13:28.31 | gauner1986 | where's the action? |
| 13:28.46 | g3rm | couldn't find anything on htc-linux wiki |
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| 13:37.17 | Tiller | Hellow. |
| 13:39.14 | Tiller | Well, I would want to know something. I think that's a newbie question, but I didn't really find any explicit answer to it. Android and Ubuntu on HTC HD2, it's an overlayer of Windows or it's replacing windows ? ^^' |
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| 13:43.35 | BarBoOor | Hi |
| 13:43.41 | BarBoOor | can anybody help me here ? |
| 13:43.42 | g3rm | when Android or Ubuntu is booting Windows is killed but you can go back by restarting your device but those questions should be asked @ #htc-linux-chat |
| 13:44.08 | Tiller | Ok Thanks & sorry g3rm ^^' |
| 13:44.12 | Hunterkll | oh calm down. ;) the only reason -chat exists is because of the rush of users during the mad rash of HD2 dev by cotulla |
| 13:44.21 | Hunterkll | before that rush, all those questions were answered here :P |
| 13:44.41 | Hunterkll | (a question like that, at least, does qualify enough as on-topic for here, -chat was just for non-device related discussions) |
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| 13:45.09 | g3rm | sure... but 100 questions like that makes logs unreadable |
| 13:45.36 | Hunterkll | indeed, but, it was always like that before, and was never an issue, do you recall those days? :) |
| 13:46.10 | g3rm | i recall this channel was always ment for dev talk ;) |
| 13:46.24 | Hunterkll | Indeed, but always fielded user questions, just like many, many other channels on this network |
| 13:46.48 | Hunterkll | Though they LOVE people who file proper bug reports and whatnot... hrm, this group needs a bugzilla and more central project organization.. :o |
| 13:47.00 | Hunterkll | at least, for all kernel work |
| 13:47.07 | g3rm | yes but there was no chat channel back then :) |
| 13:47.31 | Hunterkll | and the chat channel was made to contain 'off-topic' chatter, asking device/linux related to device questions does vaugely qualify as on-topic :p |
| 13:47.49 | g3rm | btw: http://bugs.xdandroid.com/ ;) |
| 13:48.04 | Hunterkll | that's the xdandroid project, htc-linux appears to be all kernel centric :p |
| 13:49.03 | g3rm | it has kernel section aswell but seems like nobody uses it :) |
| 13:49.28 | Hunterkll | :P I do not recall xdandroid being littered with kernel developerse like this side of the forest :P |
| 13:50.45 | g3rm | good point ;) |
| 13:51.15 | Hunterkll | in the meantime, why can't america have "TV tuner installed. Maximum class about taking advantage of mobile phone LCD 5.0 inch large screen, viewers can enjoy powerful seg." |
| 13:51.16 | Hunterkll | :P |
| 13:52.18 | Hunterkll | of course japan, of course you have the better android phones |
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| 13:54.16 | g3rm | maybe because japan consumer != us consumer? |
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| 14:12.47 | ^A^kira | anyone alive at least here? -.- |
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| 14:13.41 | phh | no |
| 14:13.50 | ^A^kira | good ^_^ |
| 14:14.15 | ^A^kira | a question (if anyone knows and maybe alive), andro's kernel located in boot.img? righto? |
| 14:14.40 | Ondalf | probably in zImage? |
| 14:15.24 | ^A^kira | probably, but it should be in boot.img? |
| 14:15.46 | Ondalf | should it? do you got zImage -file too? |
| 14:15.52 | ^A^kira | nope |
| 14:16.05 | ^A^kira | i've got boot.img and system folders |
| 14:16.17 | ^A^kira | can't find an information about it :( |
| 14:16.21 | ^A^kira | my google skills fail lately |
| 14:16.47 | phh | ^A^kira: yes it's in boot.img |
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| 14:17.33 | ^A^kira | and it should be possible to extract it with unyafs& |
| 14:17.35 | ^A^kira | ? |
| 14:18.43 | Ondalf | depends if it is in yaffs format. if it is standard like others, it might also be in ext2 format. try and figure out. that's what it takes |
| 14:19.12 | ^A^kira | Ondalf: thanks ^_^ |
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| 14:48.08 | [acl] | jonpry: what it is bro |
| 14:52.03 | jonpry | hey [acl] |
| 14:52.35 | jonpry | i haven't done shit. working like a madman on the tablet |
| 14:53.51 | [acl] | jonpry: nutin much bro.. ive been actually educationg myself on the msm_fb code.. been looking at diff versions |
| 14:53.59 | [acl] | im baffled at how our .27 one works |
| 14:54.11 | jonpry | hmm |
| 14:54.23 | jonpry | why? |
| 14:54.47 | [acl] | well there is this weird update thread that starts.. i cant seem to find that in any other code. |
| 14:54.52 | [acl] | so why do we need a thread to just update |
| 14:54.59 | phh | jonpry: tablet ? |
| 14:55.09 | ^A^kira | guys how to make some ADW theme default when flashing rom? |
| 14:55.11 | phh | [acl]: tutut |
| 14:55.13 | phh | read it better |
| 14:55.13 | ^A^kira | like some widgets on their places, wallpaper, number of desktops, etc |
| 14:55.18 | phh | [acl]: that's only started when fix_x=1 |
| 14:55.26 | jonpry | phh: i'm building my own dm37x based tablet |
| 14:55.46 | [acl] | phh: ahh.. ok so better question is if we actually need it then. |
| 14:56.03 | phh | jonpry: i hadn't mentioned the fact you're crazy for a long time now. |
| 14:56.12 | phh | [acl]: it's needed for rhobuntu ? :p |
| 14:56.35 | [acl] | phh: ahh.. ic .. ive never ran rhobontu so this was new to me |
| 14:57.02 | jonpry | its definitely needed for x |
| 14:57.37 | jonpry | afaict that is why rhobuntu on nand didn't work |
| 14:57.37 | [acl] | well i dont know how i ended up looking at the fb code but i originally started looking into the panel stuff again and mddi clock |
| 14:57.42 | ^A^kira | doh noone knows :( as always |
| 14:58.58 | jonpry | 45.16% routed tablet: http://imagebin.org/121327 |
| 14:58.59 | [acl] | jonpry: right now we set the mddi clock to a51.. but lets say we leave it alone and do it like wince .. we would end up with e14 as the speed on nand |
| 14:59.01 | [acl] | just weird |
| 14:59.23 | jonpry | well you can use lots of different speeds |
| 14:59.23 | stinebd | what the hell |
| 14:59.33 | jonpry | i got it to work on 192mhz i think |
| 14:59.33 | phh | stinebd: ? |
| 14:59.50 | stinebd | jonpry: how much will this tablet cost and when will it be on amazon? |
| 14:59.59 | phh | stinebd: haha |
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| 15:00.35 | jonpry | stinebd: not quite sure, probably close to 1k |
| 15:00.43 | stinebd | ouch |
| 15:00.49 | stinebd | make it $250 and we have a deal |
| 15:00.53 | [acl] | jonpry: but we dont have the code to set it.. so we just adjust the regs directly |
| 15:01.07 | jonpry | hmm |
| 15:01.33 | jonpry | yeah i don't know if setting it did anything, i just called set_clk with that speed |
| 15:01.56 | jonpry | stinebd: i'd like to make it cheaper, but parts are expensive and it is kind of a niche product |
| 15:02.06 | [acl] | jonpry: tried that too to 192 actually.. it went ape shit. |
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| 15:02.55 | [acl] | jonpry: so i looked at .35 fb as well.. and .32.. totally different animal. wondering if its worth it to port over |
| 15:03.00 | [acl] | might help solve your issue |
| 15:03.02 | jonpry | it going ape shit may not be a sign of anything. it seems like it is all very sensitive to timing. so you could build a kernel with different boot time basically and then it might work on a different clock speed |
| 15:03.39 | [acl] | jonpry: thing is when i set rate and get rate.. i get different values |
| 15:03.39 | [acl] | lol |
| 15:03.46 | [acl] | get rate for mddi always returns 0 |
| 15:04.09 | [acl] | i guess our table is missing a few |
| 15:04.11 | [acl] | entries |
| 15:04.13 | jonpry | lol |
| 15:04.40 | jonpry | i tried lots of different msm_fb |
| 15:04.56 | jonpry | toastfch was having the same problem on leo |
| 15:05.09 | [acl] | leo on .35? |
| 15:06.00 | jonpry | yeah |
| 15:06.43 | [acl] | phh: your thoughts on upgrading the fb ? |
| 15:06.57 | phh | [acl]: painful but could be useful ? p |
| 15:07.05 | stinebd | do eet! |
| 15:07.15 | [acl] | mdp would need a major rewrite as well |
| 15:07.57 | stinebd | maybe it would be easier to upgrade all devices to .35 :P |
| 15:08.21 | jonpry | weird thing is that .27 fb does the same thing in .35 kernel |
| 15:08.35 | jonpry | same thing = doesn't work |
| 15:10.30 | [acl] | phh: ok since that thread is just for rhobontu.. im wondering why my fb breaks when i remove all that and go back to the stock code |
| 15:10.46 | phh | [acl]: haha |
| 15:11.13 | jonpry | stock code? |
| 15:11.31 | [acl] | well not stock. but the code is 99% the same as the hero .27 |
| 15:11.54 | [acl] | phh: bro.. glad you got your laugh out.. :-) |
| 15:11.56 | jonpry | i'm guessing a diff would be in order. i would watch out for usleep/udelay |
| 15:12.01 | flaep2 | Hi |
| 15:12.01 | flaep2 | i found maemo port for Pocket Loox 720 (winmo based device). maybe it is usefull for some of you. http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Installation#Pocket_Loox_720_port_.28experimental.29 |
| 15:12.24 | [acl] | jonpry: damn usleeps .. |
| 15:12.30 | jonpry | some msm_fb use usleep, which will not work at all |
| 15:13.00 | jonpry | and different values for udelay will break it |
| 15:13.52 | [acl] | jonpry: yeah the timing is pretty much all that is diff from the code.. that and some vsync crap which isnt even used .. plus the fb_shutdown which just calls the panel blank |
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| 15:14.33 | [acl] | phh: so you gonna torture me ? what do you know dood.. |
| 15:14.49 | phh | [acl]: I know pretty much nothing about our video driver I'm afraid |
| 15:15.25 | [acl] | phh: ahh.. i thought u were laughing because u knew the answers already |
| 15:15.27 | jonpry | [acl] let me know if you get it working somehow |
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| 15:15.38 | wladston | I'm back to windows mobile. whenever I try to make a call now, it works for about 1 or 2 seconds, then the phone goes off, and then the device suddenly shuts down. any ideas ? |
| 15:15.49 | phh | [acl]: not at all |
| 15:15.55 | phh | just because it sounds stupid :p |
| 15:16.07 | jonpry | wladston, reflash hardspl |
| 15:16.28 | [acl] | phh: i need to make myself sound less dumb |
| 15:16.29 | [acl] | :-p |
| 15:16.32 | wladston | jonpry: :O it's the only way to fix this issue ?!?! |
| 15:16.35 | phh | [acl]: why ? :p |
| 15:16.56 | phh | wladston: he's got a fix that's already great. |
| 15:16.58 | [acl] | jonpry: ahh man.. i wouldnt hold my breath.. it looks nasty |
| 15:17.01 | jonpry | wladston: i don't know if it will fix it, but it has been known to fix things |
| 15:17.08 | phh | ah |
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| 15:17.15 | [acl] | phh: haha .. i rather sound smart :-p |
| 15:17.53 | wladston | :/ .... a hardspl flash takes me hours to set eveything up again |
| 15:18.15 | jonpry | its cheaper than ordering a new phone |
| 15:19.19 | [acl] | jonpry: before anything i need to remove that rhobontu crap.. |
| 15:20.00 | jonpry | when i looked at it, it seemed pretty benign if fix_x isn't set |
| 15:20.51 | jonpry | try disabling fb_console since you have working android. things may just work |
| 15:21.11 | [acl] | oo |
| 15:21.15 | wladston | jonpry: well ... that depends on how my hour of work is rated .... since I'm a student, I guess you are correct :) |
| 15:21.18 | [acl] | sounds like a plan |
| 15:21.26 | [acl] | phh: see.. jonpry made it sound smarter |
| 15:21.31 | wladston | jonpry: last hard flash took me about 6 hours |
| 15:21.41 | phh | [acl]: :) |
| 15:22.10 | [acl] | phh: also.. bout wistilts panel commits |
| 15:22.20 | phh | [acl]: for autobacklight ? |
| 15:22.29 | [acl] | phh: we shouldnt set gpio in microp code.. |
| 15:22.39 | phh | ah |
| 15:22.44 | [acl] | phh: should go back to the rhod_panel code |
| 15:22.50 | phh | I've been wondering about that, but as I don't really know what this gpio does ... |
| 15:22.51 | [acl] | i didnt notice it at first |
| 15:23.22 | [acl] | phh: they power down the panel 0x63. |
| 15:23.42 | phh | ah. |
| 15:23.57 | [acl] | but once the other gpios are set 0x62 and 0x52.. then it must all go back to the panel code. |
| 15:25.41 | [acl] | also if emwe asks .. tried the topaz panel init on rhod. No go :-(. must go back to the dlls and dig it out |
| 15:26.52 | [acl] | jonpry: when you swapped out the fbs. You must have modded the hell out of mdp as well right? |
| 15:27.22 | jonpry | i swapped mdp/mddi |
| 15:27.28 | jonpry | guess i don't understand |
| 15:28.04 | jonpry | there were problems with dma related processor configurations, but that was it |
| 15:29.37 | jonpry | mostly has to do with newer msm_fb having support for cortex A9 cache coherency |
| 15:29.53 | [acl] | jonpry: also realized that dzo on his .32 is running .27 fb.. hasnt changed at all |
| 15:30.05 | jonpry | yeah, i tried that :p |
| 15:30.48 | jonpry | if i thought fb worked, i would just fix console |
| 15:31.59 | jonpry | i found many assorted problems with clkreq |
| 15:33.14 | jonpry | like our clock config requires the requested to have a handle to mdp_pdata or mddi_pdata. i guess that is some sort of authentication to make sure the wrong driver can't request the clock |
| 15:33.22 | jonpry | *the requestor |
| 15:33.44 | jonpry | but many stock msm_fb just pass NULL, which makes the whole process barf |
| 15:34.03 | [acl] | haha |
| 15:35.11 | jonpry | you probably know more about that problem than i |
| 15:38.25 | [acl] | jonpry: clocks are tricky.. im wating for alex to get on to discuss a lil more |
| 15:39.42 | [acl] | jonpry: like on the panel. We should be setting the rate on the panel code but we are just hardcoding it |
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| 15:41.09 | [acl] | WisTilt2: sup bro |
| 15:41.22 | WisTilt2 | yo |
| 15:41.36 | WisTilt2 | how goes it in the nand world? |
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| 15:41.47 | [acl] | WisTilt2: good and bad |
| 15:42.52 | [acl] | WisTilt2: i was playing around with alot of panel/mddi/mdp/fb stuff this weekend.. just a nice mind f*ck |
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| 15:42.55 | [Delenn] | hello |
| 15:44.27 | WisTilt2 | [acl]: i got the voice search, navigation, voice command stuff all working last night. redoing some of the speakerphone code so mic works in that mode also. |
| 15:45.11 | wladston | WisTilt2: really ??!! Coool! : ) |
| 15:45.40 | wladston | WisTilt2: I have tested the lighsensor yesterday too man .... awesome work! |
| 15:46.10 | wladston | WisTilt2: do you need anything tested on RHOD100 btw ? |
| 15:47.07 | DomZ | hi [Delenn] |
| 15:47.07 | WisTilt2 | wladston might need the 100 tested on this mic code. |
| 15:47.24 | wladston | WisTilt2: you have some time now or prefer to do it later ? |
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| 15:50.09 | [Delenn] | anynews? |
| 15:50.09 | DomZ | [Delenn]: what's up ? How are magldr and RMNET ? |
| 15:50.47 | DomZ | I know that LeTama and Cass worked on a better ril wrapper implementation and PPP reconnect |
| 15:50.59 | jonpry | WisTilt2: i think wladston might have a fried microp |
| 15:51.15 | wladston | what is a microp ? |
| 15:51.18 | WisTilt2 | wladston later, monday morning crazy around here so ill be in and out for a few hours. |
| 15:51.27 | jonpry | wladston, why you need to hardspl |
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| 15:51.31 | WisTilt2 | jonpry hey stranger. really? hardspl time |
| 15:51.32 | [Delenn] | DomZ, I was busy on last week |
| 15:51.34 | wladston | WisTilt2: sure, I'm always here |
| 15:51.42 | [Delenn] | so not worked at lot of |
| 15:51.49 | wladston | :) me don't want ..... :D |
| 15:51.50 | ^A^kira | guys can anyone help me plz? getting bootloop on my custom rom, can't understand what makes it, heres logcat: http://itpaste.ru/162449 |
| 15:51.58 | jonpry | hi WisTilt2 |
| 15:52.00 | [Delenn] | now I am making some important general changes magldr |
| 15:52.12 | wladston | WisTilt2, jonpry : it works on android, tho |
| 15:52.30 | wladston | so till I have some more time I'll (try) to stick with it |
| 15:52.43 | [acl] | WisTilt2: also .. dood .. for your next patch, we need to move the gpio stuff back to the panel code. It just doesnt belong on the microp. |
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| 15:53.16 | jonpry | wladston: its hard to say what will happen with bad microp other than its a lot like bad hardware. |
| 15:53.22 | DomZ | hi gauner1986 |
| 15:53.25 | gauner1986 | hi |
| 15:54.09 | wladston | jonpry: hmmmm ... okay ... but ... could you tell me what is a microp ? Is it some kind of rom memory ? |
| 15:54.11 | DomZ | [Delenn]: do you think it's time to make it public (magldr) ? |
| 15:54.23 | [acl] | ohh snap.. public magldr |
| 15:54.25 | [acl] | :-p |
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| 15:54.57 | jonpry | wladston: its a small microcontroller on the board with its own very small flash memory |
| 15:55.02 | wladston | it's a luck I have a windows machine here :) |
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| 15:55.17 | wladston | jonpry: hummm got it |
| 15:55.21 | cr2_ | Echo31: ping |
| 15:55.56 | DomZ | [Delenn]: did you success with RMNET finally ? |
| 15:57.19 | cr2_ | Echo31: there are 3 compilation problems |
| 15:57.26 | cr2_ | Echo31: .platform_data = &athena_tps65021_info, |
| 15:57.33 | cr2_ | Echo31: this one is missing |
| 15:58.24 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:575: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 15:58.25 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:696: error: âathena_tps65021_infoâ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 15:58.47 | cr2_ | Echo31: and some module symbol warning |
| 15:58.54 | [Delenn] | DomZ, no it's still not ready |
| 15:59.18 | cr2_ | Echo31: the pointer warning is here |
| 15:59.20 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.25 | [Delenn] | rmnet, I hope this changes will allow use rmnet |
| 16:00.35 | gauner1986 | [delenn]: with the yaffs driver from git head my nand is running without corruption now |
| 16:00.37 | [Delenn] | it's attemp #5 |
| 16:00.41 | [Delenn] | *attempt |
| 16:00.45 | Cass | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.53 | [Delenn] | gau, git head, which head? |
| 16:01.07 | gauner1986 | gitorious.. linux_on_wince_htc |
| 16:01.16 | [Delenn] | but u have it before? |
| 16:01.25 | gauner1986 | i had the original one in place from htc ace |
| 16:01.47 | [Delenn] | it's still strange |
| 16:02.08 | gauner1986 | at least data backups are easy |
| 16:02.16 | gauner1986 | just tar /data and put it back in place |
| 16:02.17 | gauner1986 | done |
| 16:02.46 | [acl] | <^A^kira>: whole mess of errors.. You got some EGL issue.. and sqlite3 |
| 16:04.35 | ^A^kira | can u point me in which line u see it? |
| 16:04.47 | ^A^kira | please |
| 16:04.52 | ^A^kira | :) |
| 16:05.30 | [acl] | <^A^kira>: just do a search for the word error: Alot of things pop up.. what device is this for ? |
| 16:05.40 | ^A^kira | Desire |
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| 16:07.10 | ^A^kira | grep on error gives me 3 errors, 1 sqlite +2 EGL |
| 16:07.20 | [acl] | ^A^kira: There you go :-) |
| 16:07.25 | ^A^kira | the sqlite error is for HtcBootAnimation |
| 16:07.33 | [acl] | and egl is also for boot anim |
| 16:07.39 | [acl] | so thats a starting point |
| 16:08.12 | ^A^kira | hm |
| 16:08.24 | ^A^kira | looks like it crashes cuz of db really :-/ |
| 16:09.00 | [acl] | examing the whole log from scratch and see if sqlite 3 gives u more errors |
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| 16:09.40 | ^A^kira | the crash is on PowerManagerService |
| 16:09.50 | ^A^kira | E/AndroidRuntime( 367): *** FATAL EXCEPTION IN SYSTEM PROCESS: PowerManagerService |
| 16:09.56 | ^A^kira | and this comes before it: |
| 16:10.07 | ^A^kira | E/PowerManagerService( 367): failed to query setting db. |
| 16:10.14 | ^A^kira | could be a reason for crash? |
| 16:10.42 | ^A^kira | (sry mb dumb questions but thats my first rom and i cant find much info in web :( ) |
| 16:11.06 | gauner1986 | what i'd do in this case is.. switch base |
| 16:11.08 | gauner1986 | :P |
| 16:11.19 | [acl] | ^A^kira,: well root cause does sound like it is db. So search from scratch to see what other db related erros you have |
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| 16:11.32 | ^A^kira | none |
| 16:11.38 | ^A^kira | boot animation and powermanager |
| 16:12.25 | ^A^kira | http://itpaste.ru/162504 |
| 16:12.27 | [acl] | ^A^kira: "sqlite3_open error" make sure you have the binary in place and permissions are all set correctly. Only advice i can offer |
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| 16:13.26 | ^A^kira | checking it now, thanks :) |
| 16:13.32 | cr2_ | ~ping Echo31 |
| 16:13.32 | apt | pong Echo31 |
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| 16:15.33 | [acl] | emwe: sup buddy.. |
| 16:15.46 | emwe | heyho. |
| 16:16.01 | [acl] | emwe: tried the init from topaz panel. no go |
| 16:16.02 | emwe | enjoyed the weekend offline ;) |
| 16:16.53 | emwe | [acl]: don't ask please. something - whatever - when auto_bl is in usage screws panel unblank on topa. allthough no topa-specific code anywhere. suppose it is due the OS behaving different when it knows about auto-bl capabliities. |
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| 16:16.57 | MN__ | Hello |
| 16:17.33 | emwe | [acl]: you are up to rhod panel as well? |
| 16:17.35 | [acl] | emwe: is topaz using the autobl code? i didnt know |
| 16:17.57 | [acl] | emwe: we had to disable autobl on nand.. so we cant enjoy it for now |
| 16:18.03 | emwe | [acl]: it might be the case some unblank code sets something up. |
| 16:18.22 | emwe | [acl]: if i commment just everything it's fine. |
| 16:19.17 | [acl] | emwe: need some cleaning up .. |
| 16:19.50 | MN__ | Hi [Delenn] gauner1986 how is it |
| 16:20.07 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: so logs show you've got permanent working mic? (it doesn't die after 1 use after a call) Need any tests? |
| 16:20.28 | [acl] | emwe: need to clean up the topaz panel code too |
| 16:20.30 | emwe | [acl]: and i need to fix topa as it's unblank behaviour is screwed since the auto_bl detection is in effect... suppose it's android behaving different then when it detects auto-bl via liblights. not sure... |
| 16:20.40 | emwe | [acl]: cleanuip? what exactly? |
| 16:20.43 | stinebd | emwe: doubtful |
| 16:21.10 | stinebd | however i can roll an update for you probably |
| 16:21.17 | stinebd | assuming you have current rootfs |
| 16:21.47 | stinebd | max brightness level is 10? |
| 16:21.49 | emwe | stinebd: well... i don't say it's screwing something. it just is broken and a PITA to get the panel unblank. still investigating. |
| 16:21.59 | [acl] | emwe: rhod no longer uses topaz panel. So all those rhod checks need to be removed too |
| 16:22.15 | emwe | [acl]: ah yes. already removed locally. |
| 16:22.28 | NeoMatrixJR | stinebd: so what all can be updated OTA? system/rootfs/kernel? |
| 16:22.36 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: system only for now |
| 16:22.48 | stinebd | the other pieces are too small to matter anyway |
| 16:23.17 | emwe | [acl]: btw, did you ever trace i2c microp writes via haret? i tried to but failed horribly. |
| 16:23.39 | [acl] | emwe: nope.... |
| 16:24.23 | stinebd | emwe: the one issue i could imagine in userland is that it will still (try to) set brightness even with auto-backlight enabled. but unless the brightness it's trying to set is 0, it should be ignored by the hardware and the ambient sensor should override any setting |
| 16:25.06 | emwe | stinebd: it actually is setting BL after calling the auto_bl_set hook. |
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| 16:25.37 | stinebd | in the kernel? |
| 16:25.45 | emwe | stinebd: but, as topa is not touching any code path using auto-bl stuff which was invented by wistilt2, then there should be no difference. |
| 16:26.26 | emwe | stinebd: yap. microp-klt hooks are called. first auto_bl_set and then the led brightness hook. but let me examine a bit :) |
| 16:26.38 | stinebd | oh right topaz still has no ambient support |
| 16:26.44 | stinebd | i keep forgetting |
| 16:26.48 | emwe | after every auto_bl_set, the led-birghtness hook. |
| 16:27.04 | emwe | so for every brightness level set, first the auto_bl_set hook is called. |
| 16:27.55 | stinebd | weird |
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| 16:29.52 | stinebd | i bet the usb commit broke it somehow ;) |
| 16:30.06 | [acl] | stinebd: lol.. if anything blame the batt commits |
| 16:31.51 | emwe | hehehe |
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| 16:37.17 | NeoMatrixJR | anyone know what we need to get BT up and running? |
| 16:39.06 | [acl] | NeoMatrixJR: you gonna tackle that ? |
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| 16:39.45 | NeoMatrixJR | I would like to try, but I have a feeling I'm going to be asking a lot of newb questions. I'll be jumping in over my head I think. |
| 16:40.05 | NeoMatrixJR | but if I can get started I can add more help later |
| 16:40.20 | NeoMatrixJR | I just don't know where to start |
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| 16:46.30 | Tiller | Is there a way to connect an HTC HD2 on Windows 7 64 Bits ? -_- |
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| 16:46.54 | gauner1986 | ask in -chat |
| 16:47.28 | Tiller | Nobody alive~ |
| 16:48.04 | gauner1986 | install the adb driver from google, |
| 16:49.12 | Tiller | Thanks. |
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| 16:51.05 | Tiller | adb is for android phone, isn't it? |
| 16:51.37 | gauner1986 | yes.. this is #htc- -> linux <- so i was assuming you're using android/linux |
| 16:51.58 | [acl] | lol |
| 16:52.05 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: sup bro |
| 16:52.11 | Tiller | I'm tring to use android, but everything go wrong x) |
| 16:52.14 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: hi |
| 16:52.42 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: we discussed this in the past but i forgot what we decided |
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| 16:53.10 | NeoMatrixJR | anyone know a good listing of what chips are in the rhodium? |
| 16:53.51 | stinebd | BCM4325 |
| 16:53.57 | stinebd | bluetooth/wifi |
| 16:54.02 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: on the clock code. for pmdh. Wince masks a00 .. your code was more acurae since you mask it exactly like wince. |
| 16:54.33 | NeoMatrixJR | thanks stinebd! |
| 16:54.39 | NeoMatrixJR | ok, now out to lunch! |
| 16:54.39 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: prob is how do we set the rate. Wince also sets the rate via rpc, but in our code we just hardcode 0x21 along with 0xa00. |
| 16:55.03 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: you ever go that far into setting the rate on pmdh? |
| 16:57.05 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: i know what ur thinking. Why set the rate.. just leave it alone right?.. thing is on nand, if we leave it alone we get 0x414 disabled. If we mask it with 0xa00 we get 0xe14 which completely makes it run like sh*t |
| 16:57.22 | [acl] | fuck |
| 16:57.23 | [acl] | lol |
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| 17:04.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: here? |
| 17:04.22 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: please tell me your connection died and i didnt bore to the point you had to leave |
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| 17:04.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: a day of stupid conspirational ideas? |
| 17:05.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: take a look at the msm docs |
| 17:05.35 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: nahh .. double checking pmdh clock with you. Since you are the only other person who dug into it deep enough |
| 17:06.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | 0xa00 is signal reset + invert + something, while the other bits select the PLL and clock divider |
| 17:06.13 | [acl] | yep |
| 17:06.18 | [acl] | thats right |
| 17:06.45 | [acl] | A is not invert. just enable |
| 17:06.50 | [acl] | E is invert plus enable |
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| 17:07.37 | Alex[sp3dev] | so what do you want now? we should probably be using the same value as wince does (i mean, write it there once the panel code is initialized and clock-wince should only toggle 0xa00) |
| 17:08.13 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: we do with the exeption of 0x21 |
| 17:08.21 | [acl] | for the pll and divider |
| 17:09.16 | [acl] | and the reason for that is because when we boot off nand, the value is 0x414. So if we or A00.. we get E14 which doesnt match wince at all |
| 17:09.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: nah. i do 0xa00 in clock-wince and have added 589 writel(0xa19, MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE + 0x8c); to the end of htckovsky_init_panel |
| 17:09.34 | [acl] | damn kov |
| 17:09.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: don't forget that SPL leaves you with 384 mhz, so it's probably clocking off the other pll |
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| 17:10.21 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: yep.. but thats what im getting at. Im just answering you as to why we just dont use 0xa00 like wince |
| 17:10.37 | [acl] | even for kov you do a a19 |
| 17:10.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: i have 0xa19 in wince |
| 17:10.56 | [acl] | but not on the dll |
| 17:11.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | tru tru |
| 17:11.15 | [acl] | dll you just have a00 correct? the div and pll are set via rpc prob |
| 17:11.16 | [acl] | like on rhod |
| 17:11.45 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: not sure they're set via rpc, but actually have no idea |
| 17:11.47 | [acl] | we are missing the clk_rate on the panel code. Right now we ignore it. We should add it so we can set the clocks like wince a00 only |
| 17:12.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: we can use math to get the clk_rate |
| 17:12.07 | [acl] | this way we dont have to hardcode a19 or a21 |
| 17:12.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | since we know the pll and pll frequency in wince |
| 17:12.54 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: ooo.. ahh .. i need to learn that since im not sure how to derive the speeds and all that jazz |
| 17:13.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: we need a speedpoop it seems |
| 17:13.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | maybe we should add it to haret? |
| 17:15.00 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: we do need a speed poop. you wanna write it :-) |
| 17:15.04 | [acl] | :-D |
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| 17:17.08 | [acl] | that will help clean up clock code. Each device can set thir speed on the panel code instead of doing it on that clock table |
| 17:28.49 | stinebd | speed... poop? |
| 17:28.57 | [acl] | ahh man. |
| 17:29.03 | [acl] | u dont know about the poop functions huh |
| 17:29.11 | stinebd | do they smell? |
| 17:29.19 | [acl] | nope, but they dump alot of shit |
| 17:29.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | no, as they're not coded by google |
| 17:29.26 | stinebd | yum |
| 17:29.35 | [acl] | lol |
| 17:34.25 | gauner1986 | [delenn]: http://pastebin.com/u5rrQMBv corruption again :( |
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| 17:34.43 | gauner1986 | after this error |
| 17:35.03 | [acl] | dang thats ugly |
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| 17:37.47 | woott | my HD2 is booting for one hour now.. thats not good right lol |
| 17:38.16 | RobertQFlash | maybe its just updating to the next version of windows phone =D give it a day! |
| 17:38.49 | woott | its happens with every android rom :-( |
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| 17:39.35 | woott | i hate windows |
| 17:39.37 | XirXes | I get the feeling auto backlight doesn't work on my phone. |
| 17:39.43 | XirXes | rhod210 |
| 17:40.04 | phh | XirXes: would you mind being more explicit ? |
| 17:40.18 | XirXes | or maybe its just really slow |
| 17:40.22 | RobertQFlash | turn it off before going into android XirXes |
| 17:40.33 | XirXes | i do that. |
| 17:40.48 | woott | any idea for my problem? |
| 17:41.02 | XirXes | it just doesnt respond how i expect it to i guess. |
| 17:41.35 | g3rm | its subtle effect |
| 17:42.03 | g3rm | you would need a flashlight in a dark room to see any dramatic changes in brightnes :) |
| 17:42.11 | [Delenn] | lol |
| 17:42.14 | [Delenn] | gau, fail |
| 17:42.15 | XirXes | it stays bright. it doesnt change till i sleep it and wake it up again maybe. yeah it feels more subtle than winmo |
| 17:42.34 | gauner1986 | [delenn] yeah |
| 17:42.39 | XirXes | alright. ignore me. im just crazy |
| 17:42.49 | [Delenn] | do like I said to u |
| 17:43.18 | g3rm | shouldnt be more subtle because its hardware auto BL.. android has nothing to do with it |
| 17:43.53 | stinebd | WisTilt2: what did you need me for on saturday night? |
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| 17:44.28 | WisTilt2 | stinebd: was throwing a party and was going to fly you out here but you missed it! |
| 17:44.36 | XirXes | oh yeah. totally works. exactly as it should. without drawing attention to itself. just tested it by sticking it in the closet and then putting it under a lamp. |
| 17:44.47 | stinebd | WisTilt2: that's okay, i'm far too antisocial for parties. |
| 17:45.07 | [acl] | haha |
| 17:45.20 | Alex[sp3dev] | XirXes: sticked it inside the magic white bowl, yeah? |
| 17:45.26 | WisTilt2 | stinebd: actually i was going to ask you about something in userland but figured it out. |
| 17:45.32 | XirXes | ? |
| 17:45.34 | jonpry | is tp2 going to support gingerbread? |
| 17:45.48 | stinebd | jonpry: no because i dislike the taste |
| 17:45.55 | jonpry | :p |
| 17:46.00 | Alex[sp3dev] | XirXes: forget, my toilet humour is stupid |
| 17:46.06 | XirXes | lol |
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| 17:46.25 | stinebd | gingerbread should be okay. honeycomb is probably a problem |
| 17:46.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | stinebd: is tp2 going to support meego? |
| 17:46.47 | stinebd | Alex[sp3dev]: patches welcome |
| 17:47.09 | jonpry | whats with honeycomb? |
| 17:47.29 | stinebd | probably going to require ogles2.0+ |
| 17:48.02 | jonpry | so there not doing anything silly like requiring capacitive touch screens? |
| 17:48.03 | g3rm | well it's not that bad since many native devices won't run it |
| 17:48.04 | XirXes | isnt the hardware capable of that tho? |
| 17:48.12 | stinebd | full surfaceflinger compositing and such |
| 17:48.14 | XirXes | even if the kernel isnt |
| 17:48.23 | stinebd | XirXes: no... |
| 17:49.12 | XirXes | thats unfortunate... but not surprising |
| 17:50.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | stinebd: wtf would they need gles2.0 for compositing? or they just want to drop gles1.0? |
| 17:50.50 | stinebd | Alex[sp3dev]: multiple simultaneous gl views |
| 17:51.03 | stinebd | apparently 1.0 doesn't roll with those homies |
| 17:51.48 | stinebd | in theory you could do it with one view... until the user tries to play a game |
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| 17:52.43 | stinebd | and even then i suppose you could revert to software on the flinger view... but i suppose it's not something worth pursuing with all the new hardware being 2.0 capable |
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| 17:58.16 | ^A^kira | where the config file in android which specify whi widget is on the desktop on first boot? |
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| 18:00.25 | gauner1986 | rajko: you there? |
| 18:01.46 | Rajko | i am now |
| 18:02.09 | gauner1986 | rajko: may it's good to use a yaffs version from a recent kernel release for stability? |
| 18:02.15 | gauner1986 | *maybe |
| 18:02.48 | Rajko | huh ? |
| 18:02.52 | Rajko | all google devices use 2007 yaffs |
| 18:02.59 | Rajko | which has the permissions thing |
| 18:03.03 | Rajko | maybe we have wrong permissions ? |
| 18:03.50 | gauner1986 | ah ok - standard linux kernel doesn't include yaffs |
| 18:05.06 | Rajko | fakker has real devices, ill ask him for the real permissions |
| 18:06.09 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 18:06.18 | Rajko | we just have 777 on most thins |
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| 18:06.59 | Nuja | need the topic ^^ |
| 18:07.17 | Rajko | Nuja, /topic |
| 18:07.34 | Nuja | ah yes forgot about this one xD |
| 18:07.54 | Nuja | there is also some //Echo $chan stuff, but i dont remember well those things |
| 18:08.08 | Rajko | this is irc, not mirc whatever |
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| 18:11.07 | gauner1986 | hm.. seems yaffs2 doesn't have stable releases |
| 18:11.20 | Rajko | nope |
| 18:11.25 | Rajko | its written by wookies |
| 18:11.29 | Rajko | i'd like to use ubi and ubifs |
| 18:13.01 | gauner1986 | guess we can't just use it? |
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| 18:14.30 | Rajko | not with magldr |
| 18:14.35 | gauner1986 | why? |
| 18:14.40 | Rajko | unless he codes it in |
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| 18:15.01 | emwe | WisTilt2: regarding auto-bl. when you switch in android from auto-bl to user-set brightness levels on rhod, that works, yes? (you can set customer levels when auto-bl is disabled i mean...) |
| 18:15.01 | Rajko | cuz ubi manages the whole part of flash |
| 18:15.05 | MN_ | Hello |
| 18:15.07 | Rajko | and thn you make "volumes" inside of it |
| 18:15.19 | gauner1986 | can't we just put the kernel to a yaffs partition and use ubifs for the rest? |
| 18:15.26 | gauner1986 | ah ok |
| 18:15.31 | Rajko | ubifs works only as a ubi volume |
| 18:15.40 | Rajko | however you can also have squashfs or other RO systems as ubi volumes too |
| 18:15.48 | gauner1986 | what's the advantage of ubifs? |
| 18:15.55 | Rajko | faster and has compression |
| 18:16.00 | Rajko | guaranteed realiability |
| 18:16.15 | gauner1986 | ok [delenn].. we need you :D |
| 18:17.55 | Rajko | nah |
| 18:17.57 | stinebd | i think ubifs has a write buffer |
| 18:18.02 | Rajko | just figure out why yaffs is crappy |
| 18:18.17 | stinebd | so not really guaranteed reliability |
| 18:18.19 | Rajko | stinebd, yeah it does but either the whole thing is lost |
| 18:18.23 | Rajko | its not partial |
| 18:18.42 | NeoMatrixJR | does anyone know if the BCM4325_apsta.bin firmware supports the bluetooth part of the chip or just the wifi? |
| 18:18.46 | Rajko | it guarantees state between writes |
| 18:18.52 | Rajko | NeoMatrixJR, thats for the AP mode |
| 18:19.36 | NeoMatrixJR | so do we have firmware for the bluetooth or are we missing that? |
| 18:20.39 | Rajko | look at init.htcleo.rc |
| 18:20.45 | Rajko | the hci thing specifies a file |
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| 18:23.17 | NeoMatrixJR | Rajko, sorry, working with Rhodium |
| 18:24.45 | stinebd | Rajko: where does one find that? |
| 18:24.53 | Rajko | init.devicename.rc |
| 18:25.02 | Rajko | in initrd or rootfs, somewhere |
| 18:25.14 | stinebd | yeah |
| 18:25.16 | NeoMatrixJR | not system? |
| 18:25.17 | WisTilt2 | emwe: yes |
| 18:25.18 | stinebd | where's leo rootfs? |
| 18:28.19 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: if you want to give the fixed voice search, navigation, and any other voice stuff i have another image up for testing. |
| 18:28.41 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: dont have to make a call anymore btw, just works all the time now:) |
| 18:28.41 | [Delenn] | gau? |
| 18:29.08 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR grab the image if you want to test it also |
| 18:29.56 | Rajko | /etc/firmware/bcm4329.hcd is for BT |
| 18:30.23 | NeoMatrixJR | .hcd vs .bin? |
| 18:30.31 | gauner1986 | stinebd: on nand we currently don't use rootfs.. everything is in initrd |
| 18:30.57 | stinebd | gauner1986: where's that? |
| 18:31.31 | Rajko | where's what |
| 18:31.33 | gauner1986 | [delenn]: hm.. implement ubifs in magldr.. rajko said it has advantages such as increased stability :D |
| 18:31.43 | Rajko | dont bother |
| 18:32.05 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: note that you need a bcm4325 hcd script for rhod |
| 18:33.01 | uub11 | WisTilt2, can you pm me the zimage link for some reason it never worked for me only the kernel zip link |
| 18:33.29 | WisTilt2 | uub11: there ya go |
| 18:33.42 | Rajko | gauner1986, try changing perms |
| 18:33.50 | gauner1986 | to what? |
| 18:33.55 | uub11 | appreciate it |
| 18:33.55 | Rajko | http://pastebin.com/fA0iEe0R http://pastebin.com/hG1Zwga6 |
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| 18:34.12 | PeDor | hi |
| 18:34.55 | PeDor | i'm trying to use android inside kaiser (using a sd card), but it's taking a long time to boot, is that normal? |
| 18:34.57 | stinebd | gauner1986: so there's no git or anything for the initramfs, just the distributed version? |
| 18:35.16 | gauner1986 | stinebd: basically, yes |
| 18:35.21 | stinebd | bah |
| 18:35.38 | NeoMatrixJR | Rajko, stinebd: ok, so .bin is the firmware binary and .hcd is a script? |
| 18:35.39 | Rajko | its just slightly modified one from the build youre trying to port |
| 18:35.56 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: you da man! grabbin it now... |
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| 18:37.11 | [acl] | stinebd: why 'bah" ? you wanna drop rootfs support? |
| 18:37.36 | stinebd | [acl]: hard to follow development without a repository |
| 18:38.07 | [acl] | im lost.. |
| 18:38.11 | NeoMatrixJR | me too |
| 18:38.22 | NeoMatrixJR | rootfs haz repo |
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| 18:38.27 | stinebd | their initramfs doesn't |
| 18:38.36 | PeDor | can anyone help me? |
| 18:38.41 | NeoMatrixJR | leo's or ours? |
| 18:38.43 | stinebd | leo |
| 18:38.49 | stinebd | ours does, i'm the one that set it up :P |
| 18:39.28 | NeoMatrixJR | Rajko, u happen to know where I can download the firmware files you've suggested? |
| 18:39.41 | stinebd | from a winmo rom :P |
| 18:40.16 | stinebd | good luck with rhod bluetooth. i've tried and failed a few times now. |
| 18:40.39 | NeoMatrixJR | well, I gotta learn somewhere.... |
| 18:40.55 | stinebd | sadly i've been unable to try with a bcm4325.hcd that i _know_ is from a rhod winmo rom |
| 18:41.01 | NeoMatrixJR | unless you've got a "how to port android for n00bs" book around I gotta pick a project. |
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| 18:41.32 | NeoMatrixJR | so the .hcd is also used in winmo? |
| 18:41.44 | stinebd | sure |
| 18:41.55 | NeoMatrixJR | how come you can't get one you KNOW if from a rhod? |
| 18:42.06 | stinebd | when i have a rhod to play with, it's on limited time |
| 18:42.32 | gauner1986 | but who has a git for binaries? |
| 18:42.35 | gauner1986 | :) |
| 18:42.40 | NeoMatrixJR | oh... if you can tell me where to poke around I can look on mine. or is it a hidden file i need something special to find? |
| 18:42.59 | stinebd | gauner1986: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/prebuilt.git;a=summary :D |
| 18:43.20 | stinebd | probably the worst possible application of git right there |
| 18:43.46 | gauner1986 | .... :D |
| 18:43.48 | stinebd | i'm just glad i don't have to host it |
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| 18:44.23 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: that's the part i don't know so well, being a not-winmo guy |
| 18:44.34 | stinebd | and part of your "good luck" |
| 18:44.35 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: http://pastebin.com/vB3gH9zG |
| 18:44.52 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: ooo |
| 18:45.25 | gauner1986 | rofl.. gb citizens don't have an id-card? |
| 18:45.33 | [Delenn] | gau, license issues. anyway yaffs2 is rather good. also well tested with android. |
| 18:45.50 | NeoMatrixJR | back to WinMo to find .hcd goodness |
| 18:45.58 | gauner1986 | [delenn] and yaffs is not gpl? |
| 18:46.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: now what is global pll? |
| 18:46.22 | [acl] | pll0 ? |
| 18:46.30 | Alex[sp3dev] | hum |
| 18:46.48 | [acl] | haha .. speedpoop |
| 18:47.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | does 76 mhz sound right then? |
| 18:47.11 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: btw, this is what you need when you finally get a good firmware file: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=device/htc/passion.git;a=blob;f=init.mahimahi.rc;h=f5dacd97f1629f18d3493bc705036cd0bfbdbbb5;hb=HEAD#l89 (line 89) |
| 18:47.30 | Rajko | [Delenn], yes, yaffs is fine, but why is it giving that weird error when using google's version |
| 18:47.40 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: it should be 'make speedpoop' |
| 18:47.52 | stinebd | just focus on getting bluetooth working in the first place, leave the xdandroid device abstraction for later |
| 18:48.25 | [acl] | Alex[sp3dev]: 76 is what vogue uses.. so sounds correct |
| 18:48.42 | [acl] | you have that haret somewhere ? so one of the fellas can run in on the rhod? |
| 18:49.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: yep, i do have. thought implementing the dumper for all the clocks will be painful. but i can upload the binary with pmdh for now |
| 18:49.29 | [acl] | sure |
| 18:50.17 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: get this image also, added lights on back when doing voice related commands. |
| 18:50.25 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: http://www.mediafire.com/?3c1d9ur1ajuanzz |
| 18:50.54 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: k |
| 18:51.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | [acl]: actually, you can calculate that from clock dumps on htc-linux wiki |
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| 18:53.43 | eJ | morning all |
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| 18:58.03 | wladston | jonpry: find out what was the cause for the misterious shutdown on call. It was the drained battery. My battery was completely drained, so when I tried to make a call, even when the device was plugged on the power outlet, it would still shutdown. |
| 18:58.14 | wladston | when the battery got a little charge, the problem was gone |
| 18:58.30 | wladston | it looks like android will consume the battery till its last breath |
| 18:58.36 | wladston | before it shuts down |
| 19:00.45 | Downy_ | I'd also would like to see a controlled shutdown at around 1-2% battery left. This might also help to not get corruption into the filesystem. But neither with an app this has been realized yet |
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| 19:03.02 | gauner1986 | http://pastebin.com/3EdU5r0Q |
| 19:03.03 | gauner1986 | wtf |
| 19:03.07 | gauner1986 | and market crashes |
| 19:03.14 | gauner1986 | is my sd-card fucked or what? |
| 19:03.44 | Rajko | yes |
| 19:03.51 | Downy_ | looks like |
| 19:03.57 | gauner1986 | ahrg |
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| 19:04.09 | Rajko | microsd cards are of notoriously crappy quality these days |
| 19:04.15 | Rajko | sine theres so many of them |
| 19:04.32 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 19:04.38 | gauner1986 | lets try a simple format...... |
| 19:04.38 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 19:04.41 | arrrghhh | get a name brand sd |
| 19:04.42 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 19:04.51 | Rajko | gauner1986, zero it out and then format it |
| 19:04.55 | Rajko | using panasonic thingy |
| 19:05.26 | Downy_ | SDFormatter is also not bad |
| 19:05.28 | Rajko | maybe clean out some gunk |
| 19:05.31 | Rajko | from the pads ? |
| 19:05.36 | Rajko | since youre getting sd errors not just fat errors |
| 19:05.56 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 19:06.13 | gauner1986 | havent touched it for ages |
| 19:07.37 | Rajko | try a full block erase |
| 19:08.11 | Rajko | like erase all the blocks |
| 19:08.14 | Rajko | using a card reader |
| 19:08.24 | gauner1986 | don't have one with microsd support |
| 19:08.36 | gauner1986 | err |
| 19:08.40 | gauner1986 | with sdhc support |
| 19:08.55 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 19:08.57 | gauner1986 | lets try... |
| 19:08.59 | gauner1986 | chdsk... |
| 19:09.00 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 19:09.04 | gauner1986 | chkdsk |
| 19:10.26 | NeoMatrixJR | stinebd, Rajko: ok, I've found 2 BCM4325 related .hcd files in winmo.... |
| 19:10.39 | Rajko | really not the guy for me |
| 19:10.41 | Rajko | for this |
| 19:10.53 | stinebd | me too |
| 19:10.56 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:10.57 | stinebd | i don't even have a rhod :P |
| 19:11.06 | gauner1986 | man.. why is my sdcard now fucked out of nothing? |
| 19:11.06 | gauner1986 | fu |
| 19:11.10 | Rajko | i just use the files from other bulds |
| 19:11.31 | stinebd | i think no android device has bcm4325 |
| 19:11.58 | [acl] | stinebd: there was one.. forgot which one tho.. i think Pippy found out about it back int he days.. |
| 19:13.30 | stinebd | there was some press release a while back about broadcom android enablement for 4325 but the only portion of it that they actually released was for wifi in the kernel |
| 19:13.46 | stinebd | <3 bcm |
| 19:13.46 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: damnit... voice search kept asking me if google could use my location, and wouldn't stop asking whether i agreed or disagreed. so i'm going to try the reference build and see if it's the same... |
| 19:14.45 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 19:14.52 | gauner1986 | anyone knows a good 32gb microsd? |
| 19:15.02 | uub11 | WisTilt2 it worked fine for me, couldn't understand me much but worked |
| 19:15.06 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh, i think you have to have either wireless location or gps enabled for any of those google apps to work. i only have wireless location enabled and it never asks me that, just shows what i say and searches. |
| 19:15.28 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: i enabled both of 'em as they both were disabled... |
| 19:15.30 | NeoMatrixJR | stinebd I think Samsung moment uses bcm4325 |
| 19:16.02 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: that would explain why the android part was never released then |
| 19:16.14 | [Delenn] | gau, yaffs2 have dual license |
| 19:16.22 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh, weird. im running latest rootfs and system. |
| 19:16.49 | arrrghhh | goin back to the newest system. |
| 19:16.53 | WisTilt2 | uub11 so voice activated stuff working, good. you have a 210 right? |
| 19:17.38 | NeoMatrixJR | also possibly the lg gw620 |
| 19:17.56 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: i'm not sure the moment is using bcm4325. the wifi module name is dhd.ko |
| 19:18.06 | WisTilt2 | its amazing how accurate googles voice recognition actually is. i said a whole sentence and it got every word right. |
| 19:18.20 | uub11 | WisTilt2, yeah works fine and yes i have a rhod210 |
| 19:18.44 | NeoMatrixJR | wait...adamw posted hcd and bin files a while ago... do they not work? http://apt.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/20100204.html.gz |
| 19:19.14 | uub11 | i have a weird new yorker, florida mix going on so it understood most of it |
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| 19:19.25 | stinebd | NeoMatrixJR: they probably do not |
| 19:19.27 | WisTilt2 | uub11: pull down this new kernel-pack... i enabled kbd backlight so you can see if it works on the 210. |
| 19:20.17 | NeoMatrixJR | ~seen adamw |
| 19:20.29 | apt | adamw <~adamw@redhat/adamw> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 221d 40m 33s ago, saying: 'so we have no excuses any more ;)'. |
| 19:20.29 | uub11 | WisTilt2, once again anything besides kbd i should pay attention to? leds on back front during startup? |
| 19:21.05 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: so voice search does work on ref. awesome! i get a red flashing led on the back as well. i don't get any kbd lighting tho... |
| 19:21.09 | WisTilt2 | uub11: nope, only other thing is red led on back when in voice cmd mode. front green in wake and blink green in sleep right now. |
| 19:21.35 | stinebd | once you go ref, you don't go... hmm |
| 19:21.55 | arrrghhh | i like the blazn builds :P |
| 19:22.02 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: worked without making a call right? doesnt matter now since its controlled where it should be now. speakerphone should still go green on back and switch back where voice search should still work afterwards. |
| 19:22.07 | arrrghhh | reef just can't keep up with your changes stinebd ;) |
| 19:22.19 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: yup. just booted & tried voice search. |
| 19:22.34 | WisTilt2 | red back light should go off when not in voice cmd mode also |
| 19:22.39 | arrrghhh | indeed. |
| 19:22.42 | WisTilt2 | only when recording modes |
| 19:22.46 | arrrghhh | what about kbd backlight? |
| 19:23.15 | gauner1986 | seems my card is really fucked |
| 19:23.19 | gauner1986 | the stock sdcard works |
| 19:23.20 | gauner1986 | :( |
| 19:23.21 | WisTilt2 | arrrghhh: i just put up another image with it enabled for uub11 to test so get it and try it if you want |
| 19:23.35 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: oh ok. is it enabled with voice search as well? |
| 19:24.02 | WisTilt2 | kbd backlight set always enabled so if it works on those devices it will come on and stay on right now. |
| 19:24.13 | arrrghhh | oic |
| 19:24.42 | arrrghhh | i'll try 'er out then. |
| 19:24.44 | WisTilt2 | i really dont want to have to figure out each and every device for kbd lights:( |
| 19:25.17 | uub11 | brb |
| 19:25.27 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: hopefully you won't have to... |
| 19:25.28 | WisTilt2 | stinebd: question, do you happen to know which variable is used when speakerphone is selected in userland? |
| 19:26.55 | arrrghhh | [acl]: saw your post on the nand thread. i'm still on haret... i just run that haret.exe and it'll dump the values in a file or whut? |
| 19:28.45 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: testing your kernel-pack on RHOD400.... |
| 19:30.04 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR great. voice search, back led color when in voice search and when in a call with speakerphone, and kbd backlight working or not? |
| 19:30.25 | NeoMatrixJR | still booting |
| 19:30.51 | gauner1986 | rajko: http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?artno=IMET24&checksum=I6GDsqKTrEQ%2BJY40tdYJfr06vqcq64w0Wb%2FaM9AGGpE%3D& <- is this a good buy? |
| 19:31.58 | uub11 | still booting up here too |
| 19:32.08 | [acl] | arrrghhh: yeah |
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| 19:34.33 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: mine auto-rebooted to WinMo. I've had that happen to me on a first boot before (phone oddity?) will try again.... |
| 19:34.51 | WisTilt2 | ok, had that happen before also for whatever reason. |
| 19:35.15 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: well everything BUT kbd lights work... |
| 19:35.25 | uub11 | no lights here either |
| 19:35.33 | WisTilt2 | bah |
| 19:36.15 | WisTilt2 | so 210 and 400 are different, that leaves the 500 which will be altogether different im sure |
| 19:36.22 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 19:36.31 | uub11 | damn |
| 19:36.33 | WisTilt2 | uub11 you get red back light when in voice search? |
| 19:36.48 | WisTilt2 | and green when in speakerphone |
| 19:37.28 | arrrghhh | [acl]: i don't see any additional files... do i dump something manually when Android finishes booting...? |
| 19:37.49 | [acl] | no.. no android its just haret |
| 19:38.02 | [acl] | you ever connect to haret via usb ? |
| 19:38.11 | arrrghhh | oh ... no, sorry. |
| 19:38.16 | [acl] | dang .. time to read up bro |
| 19:38.19 | [acl] | :-p |
| 19:38.33 | arrrghhh | lol never needed to :P need-to-know kinda thing. |
| 19:38.50 | uub11 | WisTilt2 yup get all that just no kbd lights |
| 19:39.08 | [acl] | arrrghhh: you are like our number 1 guy to go to for testing.. its time you move up in rank |
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| 19:39.42 | arrrghhh | [acl]: lol i think you're placing me higher in the ranks than i deserve to be :P |
| 19:40.10 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:40.36 | WisTilt2 | uub11, arrrghhh: ok well im going to finish the speakerphone mic enable and ill put up that image for testing in a bit. that with the voice search fix can all go up as one commit. then tackle the damn kbd light issue on other phones:( |
| 19:40.59 | arrrghhh | WisTilt2: sounds like a plan. thanks for all the hard work dude! |
| 19:41.16 | NeoMatrixJR | damn rhod's being a pain. I was looking forward to kbd lights.... |
| 19:41.18 | NeoMatrixJR | :D |
| 19:41.22 | uub11 | WisTilt2, yeah dude really appreciate it |
| 19:41.39 | NeoMatrixJR | Good stuff though WisTilt2. amazing updates! |
| 19:41.48 | WisTilt2 | hard work but like this kind of stuff. nice change from my normal daily routine and being the boss i can get away with it. |
| 19:42.05 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR it all work on your phone also? |
| 19:42.21 | arrrghhh | hahaha |
| 19:42.39 | NeoMatrixJR | finally up and running |
| 19:42.43 | NeoMatrixJR | testing now |
| 19:43.10 | WisTilt2 | anyone know how much faster bootup would be with a class 4 sd card as opposed to class 2? |
| 19:43.19 | NeoMatrixJR | ok...um. rebooted to winmo again... |
| 19:43.31 | [acl] | WisTilt2: not sure.. class 2 dont run on nand |
| 19:43.35 | NeoMatrixJR | methinks there is a problem w/ RHOD400.... |
| 19:44.06 | NeoMatrixJR | I got a class 6. big difference from older non-classed non-sdhc 2gb card |
| 19:44.07 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR you might copy the image to phone again. sounds like it didnt write 100% |
| 19:44.11 | stinebd | WisTilt2: hardware/msm7k/libaudio - sndDevice |
| 19:45.03 | WisTilt2 | stinebd: thanks! need to check the logic on something that i dont think is right coming from userland. |
| 19:45.34 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR also what rootfs/system you running? |
| 19:46.15 | NeoMatrixJR | latest system & FRX02 |
| 19:46.54 | WisTilt2 | hmm, running same here. try re-writing zImage or dl again and try. |
| 19:47.07 | arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: also do the data.img delete crap. |
| 19:47.43 | NeoMatrixJR | I'm rebuilding my test card from my main card right now, then I'll put your kernel in. Got kernel pack |
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| 19:56.52 | NeoMatrixJR | loading again |
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| 19:59.55 | NeoMatrixJR | first boots take forever! |
| 20:03.14 | [Delenn] | gau, here? |
| 20:04.15 | gauner1986 | yes |
| 20:04.28 | gauner1986 | i'm fucking with my sd-card.... |
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| 20:14.07 | [Delenn] | okay I won't touch u when u do such kind things... |
| 20:14.16 | gauner1986 | lol |
| 20:14.38 | gauner1986 | well.. it's rather my sdcard that fucked me |
| 20:14.44 | gauner1986 | and now i'm fucking it |
| 20:15.01 | arrrghhh | giggity? |
| 20:15.57 | gauner1986 | [delenn] what's up? i'm just running a fat32 recovery :P |
| 20:16.38 | fakker | Delenn Vagina |
| 20:17.07 | gauner1986 | fakker: tell me a good microsd |
| 20:17.26 | fakker | sandisk |
| 20:17.29 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 20:17.32 | gauner1986 | i have a sandisk |
| 20:17.35 | gauner1986 | it crashed today |
| 20:17.38 | gauner1986 | fuck sandisk! |
| 20:17.39 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 20:18.03 | fakker | pff |
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| 20:18.08 | fakker | get me nand on hd2, and i help |
| 20:19.43 | gauner1986 | you have nand.. wince on nand |
| 20:19.44 | gauner1986 | :P |
| 20:20.06 | fakker | you def not getting help now |
| 20:20.48 | gauner1986 | make eyes at cotulla and he'll maybe give you sth |
| 20:20.52 | gauner1986 | i'm not allowed to :P |
| 20:21.13 | fakker | i know |
| 20:21.17 | fakker | that's why i proposed this |
| 20:21.20 | fakker | so i wont have to help you |
| 20:21.21 | fakker | :D |
| 20:21.24 | gauner1986 | ha-ha :D |
| 20:21.33 | [Delenn] | epic fail |
| 20:21.41 | fakker | Cotulla has been gone for some time |
| 20:21.55 | [Delenn] | in Saw 7... when key fall down to first floor |
| 20:22.07 | gauner1986 | lol |
| 20:22.08 | [Delenn] | I CAN'T STOP LOL AT THIS PLACE :D |
| 20:22.19 | gauner1986 | there is sav 7 ? |
| 20:22.22 | [Delenn] | dunno why |
| 20:22.22 | gauner1986 | *saw |
| 20:22.26 | fakker | yeah gauner1986 lol |
| 20:22.34 | [Delenn] | new film Saw 7 |
| 20:22.35 | fakker | my gfs friend was talking about it |
| 20:22.38 | gauner1986 | wtf |
| 20:22.42 | fakker | i was like whaaaaaaaa? i didnt see past part 3 |
| 20:22.52 | [Delenn] | stop f* sd card and look to new films |
| 20:23.00 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: you still online? |
| 20:23.37 | fakker | [Delenn] it's because i make you lol, and you love it |
| 20:23.45 | fakker | ;] |
| 20:23.55 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR yep |
| 20:24.14 | NeoMatrixJR | no luck with voice search. |
| 20:24.18 | gauner1986 | i just see sav vi |
| 20:24.22 | gauner1986 | ah |
| 20:24.24 | gauner1986 | saw 3d |
| 20:24.25 | gauner1986 | wtf |
| 20:24.33 | gauner1986 | not out in germany yet |
| 20:24.51 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR is red light coming on in back when you hit the microphone to activate search? |
| 20:25.24 | gauner1986 | but i read bad reviews about it |
| 20:25.24 | NeoMatrixJR | no, and not with speakerphone either |
| 20:25.26 | gauner1986 | that's bad |
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| 20:26.00 | apt | pong Echo31 |
| 20:26.31 | arrrghhh | NeoMatrixJR: i thought you had a rhod400? |
| 20:26.35 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR sure you pointing to my kernel? no way neither comes on and speakerphone green definitely works on 400 |
| 20:26.45 | arrrghhh | seriously :P |
| 20:26.50 | gauner1986 | [delenn] what about good movies.. have you seen inception? |
| 20:26.52 | gauner1986 | really good movie |
| 20:27.29 | NeoMatrixJR | I'm rhod400 and yours is the only kernel on this card WisTilt2. Would it matter if USB is plugged in? |
| 20:28.02 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: you are talking about the led in the mute button on the back right? |
| 20:28.10 | WisTilt2 | yes |
| 20:29.00 | WisTilt2 | maybe its usb plugged in, i never tested it like that. |
| 20:29.05 | NeoMatrixJR | no speakerphone mic either... odd. maybe mine's just being evil |
| 20:29.13 | NeoMatrixJR | one more re-boot and try I guess... |
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| 20:29.23 | WisTilt2 | try it without usb |
| 20:29.30 | NeoMatrixJR | yep |
| 20:29.42 | arrrghhh | yea i never tried it with usb either... |
| 20:29.48 | Rajko | gauner1986, kingston is slower than sandisk |
| 20:30.04 | WisTilt2 | i think with usb plugged it puts things in debug mode so might be skipping over my stuff i dont know. |
| 20:30.07 | gauner1986 | rajko: is the class 4 32gb card out worth buying? |
| 20:30.24 | Rajko | class 4 kingston is like slower than class 2 sandisk lol |
| 20:30.39 | gauner1986 | reviews say it's 5 mb/s write |
| 20:30.49 | Rajko | yeah but lower read |
| 20:30.51 | Rajko | like 8MB/s read |
| 20:30.52 | [Delenn] | classes sucks |
| 20:30.58 | Rajko | sandisk is like 12-15 on class 2 |
| 20:30.58 | [Delenn] | there much more parameters |
| 20:31.02 | [Delenn] | like access time |
| 20:31.06 | [Delenn] | power drain |
| 20:31.07 | [Delenn] | and etc |
| 20:31.10 | Rajko | access time much higher on kingston too |
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| 20:31.30 | gauner1986 | so better buy a kingston 16gb card? |
| 20:31.37 | gauner1986 | class 10 |
| 20:31.42 | Rajko | thats like 100$ |
| 20:31.56 | Rajko | you run from nand anyway |
| 20:31.58 | Rajko | a class 2 16GB is fine |
| 20:32.04 | Rajko | cheap as dirt |
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| 20:32.26 | Rajko | transcend and sandisk are faster than kingston |
| 20:32.33 | gauner1986 | i want to buy quality this time...... |
| 20:32.44 | Rajko | i wish our phones still had the big ass SD slot |
| 20:32.45 | Rajko | not microsd |
| 20:32.51 | fakker | old sd? |
| 20:32.53 | fakker | style |
| 20:32.57 | Rajko | because SD is just a nand chip soldered to plastic with a controller chip |
| 20:32.58 | gauner1986 | oldschool |
| 20:33.02 | Rajko | fast as hell |
| 20:33.11 | arrrghhh | yea i miss fullsize SD as well. |
| 20:33.17 | arrrghhh | even microSD |
| 20:33.21 | arrrghhh | er |
| 20:33.22 | arrrghhh | miniSD |
| 20:33.22 | fakker | mini |
| 20:33.23 | arrrghhh | sorry : |
| 20:33.30 | [Delenn] | just |
| 20:33.31 | [Delenn] | haha |
| 20:33.59 | [Delenn] | anyway there own wear-leaving |
| 20:34.15 | fakker | give me |
| 20:34.33 | [Delenn] | which can significantly decrease parameters |
| 20:34.33 | Rajko | yes |
| 20:34.33 | Rajko | especially because they dont have anything like TRIM |
| 20:34.38 | Rajko | to indicate which blocks are empty |
| 20:34.42 | Rajko | like SSDs do |
| 20:34.43 | [Delenn] | but it's why I like SD cards |
| 20:34.46 | [Delenn] | definitely |
| 20:34.51 | [Delenn] | they are cheap |
| 20:34.59 | [Delenn] | and have good abstraction |
| 20:35.02 | [Delenn] | no bad blocks |
| 20:35.04 | [Delenn] | and etc |
| 20:35.12 | Rajko | eMMC is supposed to have wear leveling and bad block management |
| 20:35.18 | Rajko | but still allow write/erase |
| 20:35.25 | fakker | isn't that in the hd7? |
| 20:35.39 | Rajko | which would be awesome if their wear leveling is good |
| 20:36.31 | [Delenn] | and there can be any filesystem... this is also good |
| 20:36.54 | Rajko | normal FS not good for cards with no wear leveling |
| 20:37.27 | Rajko | also high write amplification |
| 20:37.32 | Rajko | because system assume 512b sectors |
| 20:38.11 | Rajko | which is why new SSDs have 4k sectors |
| 20:38.11 | [Delenn] | there special CMD "SET BLOCK LENGHT" |
| 20:38.22 | [Delenn] | anyway most cards have only 512 supported |
| 20:38.23 | Rajko | and with TRIM, you can mark blocks for erasure |
| 20:39.37 | Rajko | only problem is if those ssds get fragmented so that there arent enough space between FS clusters to mark a block empty |
| 20:39.43 | [Delenn] | maybe yaffs2 corruption caused by data corruption in spare |
| 20:39.45 | Rajko | and you cant really defragment them in that state |
| 20:40.03 | Rajko | [Delenn], dmesg would have that error then |
| 20:40.05 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: stuck on process system is not responding.... |
| 20:40.11 | Rajko | and files wouldnt appear in lost+found |
| 20:40.11 | [Delenn] | there no ecc on spare |
| 20:40.26 | NeoMatrixJR | finally clicked 'wait' |
| 20:40.33 | [Delenn] | why it just can't work |
| 20:40.36 | [Delenn] | like in CE |
| 20:40.39 | [Delenn] | FAT + FAL |
| 20:40.44 | Rajko | CE is old |
| 20:40.57 | Rajko | gauner1986, have you tried google's yaffs with the correct permissions ? |
| 20:41.03 | [Delenn] | and I don't think yaffs2 is much faster... need to compare |
| 20:41.19 | gauner1986 | but yaffs2 is more efficient? |
| 20:41.20 | gauner1986 | ^^ |
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| 20:42.22 | [Delenn] | dunno... where compare results? |
| 20:42.44 | gauner1986 | i always read that the fat filesystem is very inefficient |
| 20:42.50 | gauner1986 | especially for a lot of small files |
| 20:42.52 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: nothing doing. no light on back when in speakerphone. although the phone is running REALLY slow. |
| 20:43.02 | [Delenn] | but it have not security attributes for example... it can make it a bit faster |
| 20:43.04 | gauner1986 | it wastes a lot of space |
| 20:43.15 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: anything special I need to do or just make call and hit menu->speaker |
| 20:43.22 | gauner1986 | hm yeah.. no rights management |
| 20:43.24 | gauner1986 | that sucks too |
| 20:43.58 | [Delenn] | not always |
| 20:44.06 | [Delenn] | in phone u may not need secrights |
| 20:44.11 | gauner1986 | hm yeah |
| 20:44.16 | gauner1986 | but inefficient file storage sucks |
| 20:47.17 | Rajko | not in 1995 anymore |
| 20:47.19 | Rajko | no need for FAT |
| 20:47.23 | Rajko | anyway, all hail MRAM |
| 20:47.30 | Rajko | forget nand |
| 20:47.39 | gauner1986 | what's that? |
| 20:47.50 | [Delenn] | ur dreams... now most devs using NAND |
| 20:48.15 | Rajko | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoresistive_random_access_memory THE FUTURE |
| 20:48.32 | Rajko | faster than god damn DAM |
| 20:48.33 | [Delenn] | future... maybe |
| 20:48.34 | Rajko | DRAM |
| 20:48.58 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR nothing special you need to do. if phone is crawling you probably need to boot again. i noticed this happening to all our phones occasionally but dont know what causes it. |
| 20:48.58 | [Delenn] | look at Terminator film... the future.... |
| 20:49.03 | gauner1986 | so nobody uses it atm |
| 20:49.16 | [Delenn] | so it's same future like terminator |
| 20:49.28 | gauner1986 | or duke nukem 3d |
| 20:49.32 | [Delenn] | or like RDRAM some years ago |
| 20:49.40 | [Delenn] | RDRAM was good in something but failed... |
| 20:49.48 | gauner1986 | or what was the name of the new duke nukem? |
| 20:49.53 | gauner1986 | ah it was duke nukem forever |
| 20:49.57 | Rajko | RDRAM is just dram |
| 20:50.03 | Rajko | not new tech |
| 20:50.12 | [Delenn] | like now |
| 20:50.17 | [Delenn] | I prefer HDD than SSD |
| 20:50.19 | Rajko | in the future memristors will replace transistors and MRAM will replace RAM |
| 20:50.27 | Rajko | [Delenn], ssd so fast |
| 20:50.29 | [Delenn] | because SSD is f* expensive |
| 20:50.34 | Rajko | for boot drive |
| 20:50.46 | [Delenn] | I will buy 15000rpm HDD instead of SSD |
| 20:50.52 | gauner1986 | nah.. i hate doing windows systems in partitions |
| 20:50.53 | [Delenn] | for my upgrade |
| 20:50.56 | Rajko | 15000rpm not as fast |
| 20:51.00 | Rajko | and noisy and power consuming |
| 20:51.03 | Rajko | and still needs to seek |
| 20:51.08 | Rajko | not worth it |
| 20:51.11 | [Delenn] | but I don't want pay such more for 128HB |
| 20:51.19 | [Delenn] | 128GB cost around 400$ |
| 20:51.22 | Rajko | no |
| 20:51.24 | gauner1986 | yeah |
| 20:51.26 | Rajko | new sandforce |
| 20:51.26 | gauner1986 | too expensive |
| 20:51.27 | [Delenn] | our prices :) |
| 20:51.30 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: yeah...my system_server process was running 95% or higher earlier on my regular load |
| 20:51.35 | Rajko | get new sandforce ones |
| 20:51.39 | Rajko | they are cheap and fast |
| 20:51.47 | [Delenn] | ever u don't know if cheap version (~300$) sucks in speed or qulity |
| 20:51.53 | gauner1986 | pcie? |
| 20:52.10 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: wait..voice search worked once.... |
| 20:52.11 | Rajko | 180$ for 120GB onyx 2 |
| 20:52.11 | NeoMatrixJR | hmmm |
| 20:52.17 | Rajko | 300<B/270MB |
| 20:52.20 | Rajko | MB* |
| 20:52.44 | NeoMatrixJR | nope...that was 'cause I made a phone call |
| 20:53.11 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 20:53.12 | Rajko | [Delenn], wait for sandforce to be everywhere, then buy |
| 20:53.14 | gauner1986 | 163 |
| 20:53.16 | gauner1986 | that's okay |
| 20:53.26 | [Delenn] | but this 15000rpm need SAS |
| 20:53.27 | [Delenn] | :(\ |
| 20:53.28 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR if no light on back is coming on then its not running my code for some reason. |
| 20:53.36 | Rajko | that must be expensive as hell |
| 20:53.58 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: where's it live? |
| 20:54.01 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR what color is the front led in wake and sleep? |
| 20:54.21 | [Delenn] | anyway I don't want update my cpu Q6600 |
| 20:54.26 | [Delenn] | because new models sucks as well |
| 20:54.32 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: don't remember and just rebooted so I could tripple check my SD card |
| 20:54.39 | [Delenn] | they won't give any performance boost |
| 20:55.03 | [Delenn] | my dreams is 64 GB of RAM with system and programs installed on it :P |
| 20:55.03 | Rajko | of course they do |
| 20:55.16 | Rajko | the IMC of i7 is awesome |
| 20:55.23 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR next time you run it see what the front led color is. that will tell me if things are actually running my stuff. |
| 20:55.25 | [Delenn] | and? why I need it? |
| 20:55.37 | [Delenn] | it won't speed up compilation ever |
| 20:55.44 | [Delenn] | because IO still sucks |
| 20:55.51 | [Delenn] | or speed up VS launch ... |
| 20:55.56 | gauner1986 | [delenn] and if you reboot everything is gone |
| 20:55.56 | gauner1986 | :P |
| 20:56.09 | [Delenn] | I will have backup battery from car O_o |
| 20:56.17 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 20:56.22 | gauner1986 | that's running forever? |
| 20:56.38 | [Delenn] | not forever but good for external power down |
| 20:56.49 | Rajko | [Delenn], compile to ssd |
| 20:57.01 | Rajko | and triple channel ddr3 for 28GB/s ram bandwidths |
| 20:57.02 | [Delenn] | it will suck also on small operations, isn't it |
| 20:57.03 | [Delenn] | ? |
| 20:57.11 | Rajko | tasty |
| 20:57.20 | [Delenn] | actually I found good way to increase compilation speed of big project |
| 20:57.30 | Rajko | they have a big ass cache anyway |
| 20:57.30 | [Delenn] | just put all cpp files as include to one cpp file |
| 20:57.37 | [Delenn] | and compile only one cpp with includes |
| 20:57.45 | Rajko | [Delenn], you are a monster |
| 20:57.46 | [Delenn] | it works in times faster :D |
| 20:58.02 | Rajko | why not 8 threads, compiling 8 .cpp files at the same time ? |
| 20:58.18 | [Delenn] | 8 threads? |
| 20:58.21 | Rajko | yes |
| 20:58.22 | [Delenn] | u forgot that I said before |
| 20:58.32 | [Delenn] | it's fault of common IO access |
| 20:58.39 | Rajko | its what vs2010 does by default |
| 20:58.41 | [Delenn] | read a lot of small files and produce OBJ |
| 20:58.49 | Rajko | actually no, if you have template heavy |
| 20:58.55 | Rajko | the "generating code..." step is all CPU |
| 20:59.16 | [Delenn] | there a lot of additional info in OBJ however |
| 20:59.30 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: somehow I got the copy of your kernel I downloaded on/after 10/22..... |
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| 20:59.41 | Rajko | if it was IO limited, it would finish in less than a second here, because i have 400MB/s hdd speed |
| 20:59.50 | Rajko | and the resulting files are certainly < 400MB |
| 20:59.56 | NeoMatrixJR | clears cache and downloads again |
| 20:59.58 | [Delenn] | 400 on raw data block |
| 21:00.05 | [Delenn] | on small 1 kb chunk... |
| 21:00.15 | [Delenn] | I don't think u ever 100 mb |
| 21:00.20 | [Delenn] | *have |
| 21:00.24 | Rajko | big ass cache for small chuks |
| 21:00.41 | [Delenn] | maybe 10 mbytes /sec |
| 21:01.37 | [Delenn] | but it's hard to boot windows from such ram disk |
| 21:01.42 | [Delenn] | seems |
| 21:01.45 | gauner1986 | then |
| 21:01.47 | gauner1986 | use linux |
| 21:01.47 | gauner1986 | :D |
| 21:01.55 | [Delenn] | lol? |
| 21:02.25 | Rajko | [Delenn], there are RAMDISK tools for iwndows |
| 21:02.28 | Rajko | compile on them |
| 21:03.14 | Rajko | set up output folder to go there |
| 21:03.27 | [Delenn] | there problem with inital boot I think |
| 21:03.35 | Rajko | you dont need whole OS in ramdisk |
| 21:03.38 | Rajko | just output folder of compile |
| 21:03.49 | [Delenn] | it's still slow |
| 21:03.50 | [Delenn] | :) |
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| 21:07.04 | [Delenn] | who looked "Twilight" here? |
| 21:07.18 | gauner1986 | me |
| 21:07.22 | gauner1986 | was forced by ex-gf |
| 21:07.23 | gauner1986 | :( |
| 21:08.06 | [Delenn] | %) |
| 21:09.22 | Rajko | i did |
| 21:09.30 | Rajko | to see what the retardedness was all about |
| 21:09.34 | Rajko | it was derp |
| 21:09.43 | Rajko | never gonna watch the other 2 |
| 21:09.44 | gauner1986 | seen uglier movies |
| 21:09.48 | gauner1986 | but it was ugly |
| 21:09.51 | [Delenn] | wtf |
| 21:09.56 | Rajko | like anything by seltzer |
| 21:10.02 | Rajko | is a much worse movie than twilight |
| 21:10.10 | [Delenn] | I had better opinion about ur :D |
| 21:10.11 | Rajko | friedberg and seltzer |
| 21:10.21 | gauner1986 | characters are crappy constructed |
| 21:10.27 | gauner1986 | story is too predictable |
| 21:10.33 | cr2_ | ~ping ali1234 |
| 21:10.33 | apt | pong ali1234 |
| 21:10.59 | gauner1986 | but girls still like it.. but girls always like crappy movies.. |
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| 21:11.59 | Rajko | vampires suck, epic movie, meet the spartans, disaster movie, etc |
| 21:12.02 | Rajko | crapfests |
| 21:12.05 | Rajko | that idiots like |
| 21:12.28 | ali1234 | cr2_: hi, what's up? |
| 21:12.29 | gauner1986 | girls just like to watch these crappy artists.. bleh.. he's so sexy.. blabla.. |
| 21:12.38 | gauner1986 | no matter how crappy the content is |
| 21:12.39 | NeoMatrixJR | Yo WisTilt2! Yes on blinking red mute button on voice search and yes on solid green mute button on speakerphone |
| 21:12.53 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: no on keyboard BL |
| 21:13.18 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: any other tests on that kernel? |
| 21:13.23 | [Delenn] | lol |
| 21:13.25 | [Delenn] | +1 |
| 21:14.20 | cr2_ | ali1234: hi. what is located at 0x08000000 and 0x0c000000 on omap ? i can't find my '850 datasheet |
| 21:14.42 | ali1234 | hmm... system ram? |
| 21:14.48 | cr2_ | ali1234: is it ok to put sram at 0x08000000 and NOR at 0x0c000000 |
| 21:14.51 | ali1234 | certainly no hardware registers |
| 21:14.58 | cr2_ | static ram (not DRAM) |
| 21:15.01 | WisTilt2 | NeoMatrixJR did voice search work ok now? |
| 21:15.08 | NeoMatrixJR | yep |
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| 21:15.14 | ali1234 | all the hardware is up at fffe0000 etc |
| 21:15.25 | WisTilt2 | cool, looking good in that area then thanks. |
| 21:15.28 | cr2_ | ali1234: the sdram is @0x10000000 |
| 21:15.39 | ali1234 | then nothing is there |
| 21:15.43 | cr2_ | and the lcd sram @0x20000000 |
| 21:15.46 | WisTilt2 | im about done with speakerphone mic so it will be up shortly. |
| 21:15.57 | cr2_ | ok, but the address space must have some purpose |
| 21:16.04 | ali1234 | why? |
| 21:16.13 | ali1234 | not all 4GB of address space must be used |
| 21:16.33 | cr2_ | afair from some omap25xx docs, the 0x0c000000 is the alternative boot area |
| 21:17.05 | cr2_ | hm. need to search for these docs |
| 21:17.18 | NeoMatrixJR | WisTilt2: know anything about using .hcd files in init.<something>.rc files? |
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| 21:17.52 | cr2_ | ali1234: btw, is there any tool to decode MUX settings ? binary dump is PITA |
| 21:18.03 | ali1234 | not for gpio mux no |
| 21:18.12 | Rajko | NeoMatrixJR, we have hci daemon that starts with brcm_patchram which has a .hcd as a param |
| 21:18.19 | ali1234 | there is a tool to decode lcd controller settings though |
| 21:18.48 | NeoMatrixJR | Rajko, is it the one in the passion git posted earlier? |
| 21:18.56 | NeoMatrixJR | yeah |
| 21:19.03 | ali1234 | cr2_: what machine is it anyway? |
| 21:19.04 | cr2_ | ali1234: ok |
| 21:19.11 | NeoMatrixJR | I don't have/know what brcm_patchram is |
| 21:19.20 | cr2_ | ali1234: garmin 76Cx |
| 21:19.24 | ali1234 | the other day someone had a chinese iphone copy with omap850 in it |
| 21:19.38 | cr2_ | ali1234: i think http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/sprs231e/sprs231e.pdf |
| 21:19.40 | cr2_ | LOL |
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| 21:20.12 | ali1234 | omap5912 is extremely close to 850 from what i have read |
| 21:20.33 | ali1234 | since 850 docs are not available we refer to the docs for that chip because it is closest |
| 21:20.40 | cr2_ | ok |
| 21:20.44 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.45 | cr2_ | NOR flash 0C00 0000 0FFF FFFF 64M bytes 8/16/32-bit Ex/R/W |
| 21:20.47 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.49 | cr2_ | looks good |
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| 21:21.20 | tfouto | http://www.wpcentral.com/speed-test-samsung-omnia-7-loads-games-faster-htc-7-trophy-video |
| 21:21.22 | tfouto | htc sucks |
| 21:21.27 | tfouto | all the time... |
| 21:21.33 | ali1234 | trolololo... |
| 21:21.46 | NeoMatrixJR | Rajko, am I looking at this right, am I working across rootfs and system? looks like the brcm thing is in the system, but the init.<???>.rc changes are in the rootfs |
| 21:21.59 | [Delenn] | who knows.. maybe samsung 998 and htc 768 again :) |
| 21:22.35 | Rajko | hd7 is just a hd2 |
| 21:22.40 | Rajko | so no wonder |
| 21:22.50 | [Delenn] | don't think so |
| 21:22.52 | fakker | updates xbox |
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| 21:22.55 | cr2_ | Rajko: more ram ? |
| 21:22.56 | ali1234 | they both have 7 in the name, therefore it is fair to compare them |
| 21:23.03 | ali1234 | rite? rite? |
| 21:23.14 | Rajko | trolololobus |
| 21:23.18 | cr2_ | ali1234: grmn is the only omap device i have |
| 21:23.21 | [Delenn] | but there inside hd7 4bit sd card |
| 21:23.31 | Rajko | anyway |
| 21:23.35 | Rajko | those games look pimp |
| 21:23.36 | [Delenn] | while samsung may have 16 bit flash |
| 21:23.38 | tfouto | they use SD like nand |
| 21:23.39 | Rajko | why dont we have something like them |
| 21:23.41 | fakker | Rajko you stupid meat ball |
| 21:23.57 | fakker | you finish it? |
| 21:24.01 | tfouto | htc has shitty components |
| 21:24.21 | Rajko | fakker, yes |
| 21:24.28 | gauner1986 | hm |
| 21:24.38 | gauner1986 | does anybody know a GOOD fat32 recovery? |
| 21:24.45 | fakker | replay or it didn't happen |
| 21:24.50 | tfouto | LCD's from HD2 i would say that 30% of them have white spots... |
| 21:24.54 | cr2_ | â¡ Set GPIO13 low to boot from external |
| 21:24.55 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.09 | cr2_ | ali1234: looks good too |
| 21:25.10 | tfouto | cameras sucks compared with samsung |
| 21:25.23 | [Delenn] | but samsung have bad case |
| 21:25.23 | Rajko | but look at samsung galaxy S IO performance |
| 21:25.24 | [Delenn] | and bad software |
| 21:25.25 | ali1234 | cr2_: those boot controller gpio will be soldered |
| 21:25.25 | [Delenn] | :) |
| 21:25.28 | Rajko | its terrible |
| 21:25.33 | RaiderX | my hd2 has like 3 white spots |
| 21:25.54 | RaiderX | galaxy S = crap build quality |
| 21:25.59 | [Delenn] | agree |
| 21:26.03 | RaiderX | HTC=top build quality every time |
| 21:26.11 | [Delenn] | and bad software in samsung side |
| 21:26.21 | RaiderX | ive lost count of how many times my HD2 has been dropped and still not a mark on it |
| 21:26.33 | ali1234 | lolno |
| 21:26.39 | tfouto | samsung omnia 7 is pretty good |
| 21:26.47 | ali1234 | nokia build quality makes everything else looks like toys |
| 21:26.54 | tfouto | my hd2 drop today |
| 21:27.01 | tfouto | and broke the glass |
| 21:27.01 | tfouto | :s |
| 21:27.06 | RaiderX | lol unlucky |
| 21:27.08 | [Delenn] | nokia about to die with symbian |
| 21:27.15 | RaiderX | mines been chucked at a wall in anger and still nothin |
| 21:27.16 | tfouto | meego |
| 21:27.22 | RaiderX | nokia = sucks |
| 21:27.33 | [Delenn] | need time to "start" it |
| 21:27.34 | tfouto | four days after come from repair (3 weeks) white spot LCD :p |
| 21:27.34 | cr2_ | ali1234: if the NOR is on CS3, then it does not matter |
| 21:27.36 | RaiderX | my bro got the new N8 which has 1GHz cpu and its slow as hell |
| 21:27.46 | cr2_ | ali1234: you need to boot somehow :) |
| 21:27.49 | [Delenn] | new N8? with new symbian? |
| 21:27.52 | RaiderX | ye |
| 21:28.08 | [Delenn] | haha |
| 21:28.13 | cr2_ | [Delenn]: there was "haret" for symbian ? |
| 21:28.19 | RaiderX | and its fugly |
| 21:28.32 | cr2_ | don't recall its name |
| 21:28.37 | [Delenn] | cr2, I am not symbian fun :) dunno |
| 21:28.37 | ali1234 | the N8 looks stupid but the C7 is much nicer |
| 21:28.42 | [Delenn] | my last nokia was 3220 |
| 21:28.53 | cr2_ | ali1234: which CPU is N8 ? |
| 21:28.54 | [Delenn] | then I buy startrek.... |
| 21:28.54 | RaiderX | my last nokia was the N96 |
| 21:28.55 | ali1234 | and it has gorilla glass, i dropped it like 10 times, nothing happened |
| 21:28.58 | RaiderX | and i swapped it for G1 |
| 21:29.20 | RaiderX | lool i know someone who dropped an iphone 4 on wood and it cracked |
| 21:29.21 | ali1234 | cr2_: i dunno about N8 but the C7 is rumoured to be omap2420 |
| 21:29.38 | [Delenn] | htc also using omap in few products |
| 21:29.43 | RaiderX | N8 is 1GHz |
| 21:29.46 | RaiderX | no idea what cpu tho |
| 21:29.51 | [Delenn] | but they are for Dopod only... dunno why |
| 21:29.56 | ali1234 | no, N8 is 680mhz |
| 21:30.20 | Echo31 | cr2: Hello |
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| 21:31.01 | tfouto | Nokia have to adopt Android or WP7 in future... or else will sink... |
| 21:31.03 | NeoMatrixJR | anyone got the command for mounting a rootfs? |
| 21:31.04 | Curious_ | seems like developers started to "chit chat" here |
| 21:31.07 | tfouto | at least on high end phones |
| 21:31.08 | Curious_ | logs are BS |
| 21:31.11 | cr2_ | Echo31: seen my comments ? |
| 21:31.50 | [Delenn] | Curious, open logs and find somebody called "cockpro". and read it. and then .... :D |
| 21:32.06 | Curious_ | there is no one named as cockpro |
| 21:32.23 | [Delenn] | u know that I mean |
| 21:32.32 | Curious_ | and u know what i mean |
| 21:32.32 | NeoMatrixJR | n/m |
| 21:32.37 | Echo31 | cr2: I did not see |
| 21:33.08 | Curious_ | your talk gave me a headache |
| 21:33.20 | cr2_ | Echo31: looking in the logs |
| 21:33.33 | Rajko | [Delenn], its cockpoo |
| 21:33.35 | Rajko | not cockpro |
| 21:33.39 | Curious_ | yes |
| 21:33.52 | [Delenn] | oh.. Rajko! thanks :D just one byte err |
| 21:34.06 | NeoMatrixJR | stinebd: did you make the generate-rootfs.sh script? |
| 21:34.35 | cr2_ | ali1234: htc athena is our answer to samsung galaxy pad |
| 21:34.50 | Rajko | because cockpro would make him a pro...at cocks |
| 21:35.21 | cr2_ | 16:57cr2_Echo31: there are 3 compilation problems |
| 21:35.22 | cr2_ | 16:57cr2_Echo31: .platform_data = &athena_tps65021_info, |
| 21:35.24 | cr2_ | 16:57cr2_Echo31: this one is missing |
| 21:35.41 | cr2_ | 16:58 cr2_ arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:575: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 21:35.42 | cr2_ | 16:58 cr2_ arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:696: error: �athena_tps65021_info� undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 21:35.56 | cr2_ | 16:59 cr2_ Echo31: the pointer warning is here |
| 21:35.57 | cr2_ | 16:59 cr2_ .notify = athena_backlight_notify, |
| 21:36.02 | [Delenn] | oh what about "poo"? |
| 21:36.03 | cr2_ | Echo31: can you fix it ? |
| 21:36.15 | Curious_ | insisting on spamming? |
| 21:36.55 | Echo31 | cr2: Yes I can |
| 21:38.00 | cr2_ | great |
| 21:38.34 | Echo31 | cr2: What is your branch from kernel, with ide device |
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| 21:41.20 | Curious_ | is gitorious dead? |
| 21:43.57 | Echo31 | cr2: didi you get the .config file from http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=139 ? |
| 21:44.22 | cr2_ | hm |
| 21:44.35 | cr2_ | Echo31: i just wanted to ask about defconfig |
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| 21:45.24 | cr2_ | Echo31: An error occured in the logger. ERROR: could not extend relation 1663/16385/17361: No space left on device HINT: Check free disk space. |
| 21:45.40 | cr2_ | Echo31: why not commit it as htcathena_defconfig ? |
| 21:46.35 | Echo31 | cr2: the i2c driver for tps65023 is near tps65021 ( folowing the 2 datasheets) |
| 21:47.03 | cr2_ | ok |
| 21:48.31 | Echo31 | cr2: can you try to build with the config file from http://projects.linuxtogo.org/frs/shownotes.php?release_id=139 ? |
| 21:49.17 | cr2_ | Echo31: i get the error message on this link |
| 21:49.50 | Echo31 | cr2: the server is failed |
| 21:52.15 | ^A^kira | anybody know where how can i change the default bg picture for android ROM? |
| 21:52.53 | cr2_ | Echo31: can you pastebin the .config ? |
| 21:53.20 | NeoMatrixJR | n00b question, what calls the various init.<something>.rc files in init.cfg? |
| 21:55.07 | Rajko | init.cfg ? |
| 21:55.11 | Rajko | android does it |
| 21:55.23 | Rajko | it parses init.rc first |
| 21:55.28 | Rajko | then build.prop from /system |
| 21:55.44 | Rajko | then init.devicename.rc from / to set up services and suc |
| 21:55.46 | Rajko | such |
| 21:56.33 | NeoMatrixJR | well, I don't have init.<devicename>.rc I can try in init.froyo.rc I guess... |
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| 21:57.22 | Rajko | it searches from the more specific to the less specific |
| 21:57.27 | Rajko | device, board, platform |
| 21:57.28 | Echo31 | cr2: you can find from http://pastebin.ca/1979102 |
| 21:57.30 | Rajko | same as for hw driver libs |
| 21:59.13 | NeoMatrixJR | crosses fingers and has no idea wtf I'm doing.... |
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| 22:01.02 | Microang | Hey could someone give me a link to the music stuttering fix please I'm trying to mod an old build :) |
| 22:01.38 | Rajko | Microang, its in the kernel... |
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| 22:03.05 | cr2_ | Echo31: compiling |
| 22:05.09 | cr2_ | Echo31: the same problem |
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| 22:08.50 | Spartn | ~seen cotulla |
| 22:09.07 | apt | cotulla <~opera@nat004-252-205-109.tvoe.tv> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 6d 8h 18m 53s ago, saying: 'bb'. |
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| 22:15.42 | gauner1986 | adnroid market - please die.... |
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| 22:19.02 | cr2_ | gauner1986: lol |
| 22:24.51 | Echo31 | cr2: I have some problems with the GIT. I send the fix. You can inserts the code from http://pastebin.ca/1979138 |
| 22:31.55 | cr2_ | Echo31: probably the server is unhappy |
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| 22:32.47 | Echo31 | cr2: yes , not enough memory to push on the server. |
| 22:33.35 | Echo31 | cr2: can you add the code from http://pastebin.ca/1979138 to htcathena.c |
| 22:34.03 | cr2_ | got some other errors |
| 22:34.40 | cr2_ | arh |
| 22:34.47 | cr2_ | i know what's the problem |
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| 22:35.36 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:671: error: âREGULATOR_CHANGE_VOLTAGEâ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 22:35.54 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:641: error: array type has incomplete element type |
| 22:35.56 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:647: error: field name not in record or union initializer |
| 22:35.57 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:647: error: (near initialization for âathena_tps65021_consumersâ) |
| 22:35.59 | cr2_ | and some others |
| 22:37.36 | Echo31 | cr2: the #include <linux/regulator/driver.h> |
| 22:37.36 | Echo31 | #include <linux/regulator/machine.h> are missing |
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| 22:38.42 | cr2_ | looks better |
| 22:38.47 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:577: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 22:38.48 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:477: warning: âathena_rfkill_wlanâ defined but not used |
| 22:38.50 | cr2_ | arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcathena.c:778: warning: âkeyboard_exitâ defined but not used |
| 22:39.01 | cr2_ | compiling |
| 22:41.28 | Echo31 | cr2: the ide-experimental branch allows to enable the ide driver |
| 22:41.34 | tmzt | hey cr2 |
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| 22:46.10 | Echo31 | cr2: I use hawkboard system on my usb HDD from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/narcissus/ with unstable mode |
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| 22:48.35 | cr2_ | Echo31: does the microdrive work ? |
| 22:48.51 | cr2_ | Echo31: my nc10 is a bit slow at compiling :) |
| 22:49.37 | cr2_ | Echo31: you included too much weird drivers in .config |
| 22:50.18 | Echo31 | cr2: You must gather the ide-experimental code to enable the ide device |
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| 22:50.45 | cr2_ | Echo31: can it be compiled as a module ? |
| 22:51.04 | cr2_ | doc g4 is not supported i think |
| 22:51.25 | Echo31 | cr2: g4 not yet |
| 22:52.57 | wladston | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.58 | Echo31 | cr2: microdrive driver must be included in the kernel |
| 22:53.35 | cr2_ | ok |
| 22:53.56 | cr2_ | htcalpine is supported by angstrom ? |
| 22:55.29 | Echo31 | cr2: hawkbord angtrom distribution allows to work with the 2.6.32 and more |
| 22:55.30 | cr2_ | Echo31: why ide is a branch and not a config option ? |
| 22:55.40 | cr2_ | ok |
| 22:57.25 | Echo31 | cr2: when the ide will work ( i am sure); I will merge it |
| 22:58.06 | cr2_ | branch is PITA |
| 23:02.27 | cr2_ | WARNING: modpost: Found 1 section mismatch(es). |
| 23:03.01 | cr2_ | Echo31: can you paste the diff between the ide branch and mainline ? |
| 23:04.41 | Echo31 | cr2: this branch adds the driver and the git linuxtogo server is unreachable |
| 23:07.12 | cr2_ | ok |
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| 23:07.39 | cr2_ | my script has compiled the kernel and created linload.exe |
| 23:07.39 | Echo31 | cr2 : http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_npidbiHJwwJ:linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi%3Fp%3Decho31/linuxathena.git%3Ba%3Dsummary+git+echo31 |
| 23:10.44 | tmzt | pata_cs? |
| 23:11.41 | cr2_ | Echo31: ok |
| 23:11.57 | cr2_ | tmzt: no, just some custom epson controller |
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| 23:12.31 | tmzt | the microdrive is in trueide? |
| 23:14.13 | Echo31 | cr2: i am going to contact the linuxtogo admin |
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