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| 06:34.52 | majkeljj | Hi everyone, I'm first time here so nice to see you all :) anyone know what is current status of NAND for PARH800/100? I know googlecode project page but there is no any changes for long time. |
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| 06:35.16 | majkeljj | sorry RAPH800/100 |
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| 08:10.51 | jozefk | hello. is there any other htc irc channel on freenode? I want to ask questions like: which htc phone would you recommend me to buy |
| 08:11.42 | bioterror | desire z ;) |
| 08:12.03 | c00lfon | HD2. ;> |
| 08:12.35 | bioterror | Sony-Ericsson Xperia ARC ;) |
| 08:14.06 | jozefk | I was thinking about desire z and desire hd |
| 08:14.25 | jozefk | and a while ago I went to htc.com and I see there is also desire s now |
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| 08:14.46 | jozefk | desire z and hd are coming with android 2.2 I think |
| 08:14.59 | jozefk | it is possible to upgrade the OS to 2.3 or 3.0? |
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| 08:15.31 | jozefk | sony-ericsson? lol |
| 08:15.47 | jozefk | why sony-ericsson? :) |
| 08:16.25 | bioterror | why not |
| 08:17.11 | jozefk | is it also android os in sony-ericsson? |
| 08:17.29 | bioterror | yes |
| 08:17.38 | bioterror | with almost as good camera as Nokia N8 has |
| 08:18.22 | jozefk | how about battery and display? |
| 08:19.38 | jozefk | I see. 4.2" |
| 08:19.50 | jozefk | 1500mAh |
| 08:19.51 | bioterror | http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-arc,HTC-Desire-S,HTC-Desire-Z/phones/5016,5159,4888 |
| 08:19.57 | jozefk | looks good |
| 08:21.08 | jozefk | can I also add HD to that comparison? |
| 08:21.39 | bioterror | if you want |
| 08:22.24 | bioterror | I think I'll wait for the MeeGo phones with full qwerty |
| 08:22.53 | jozefk | meego? I though meego is for nokia |
| 08:23.14 | bioterror | nope |
| 08:23.19 | bioterror | it's for everybody |
| 08:23.33 | bioterror | LG and ZTE has showed some interests on MeeGo |
| 08:24.03 | jozefk | I understand that since nokia made a deal with microsoft |
| 08:24.18 | jozefk | that's why I said goodbye to nokia :) |
| 08:25.56 | jozefk | what's the price of desire s now? |
| 08:30.01 | bioterror | I dunno where you live :D |
| 08:31.16 | jozefk | in dubai |
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| 08:57.09 | jozefk | desire z is US$626.00 - desire s is US$598.78 at the moment in dubai |
| 08:57.37 | jozefk | why S is cheaper than Z?? :) S was released 2011 and Z 2010. |
| 09:00.46 | jozefk | S is lighter, faster and with Android 2.3 and the battery capacity is higher |
| 09:01.36 | jozefk | Z is having keyboard and a little big more internal memory |
| 09:01.37 | bioterror | but Z comes after S in alphabets |
| 09:01.44 | jozefk | LOL |
| 09:02.06 | bioterror | full qwerty + moar space = better ;) |
| 09:03.04 | jozefk | I see you would go for Z |
| 09:03.37 | jozefk | little bit* |
| 09:03.58 | bioterror | I'm a fan of full qwerty's |
| 09:04.39 | jozefk | me too :) but I like latest OS and speed as well |
| 09:05.01 | bioterror | I've had Mockia 9500, Qtek 9100 (Wizard), E90, HTC TyTn and N97 (and mini as they replaced navi with it) and now I'm using Xperia X1 |
| 09:05.27 | bioterror | hard to use a phone without qwerty |
| 09:05.29 | jozefk | I believe Z is also fast enough with that 800MHz processor |
| 09:05.43 | bioterror | my friend replaced his N900 with Desire Z |
| 09:05.47 | bioterror | and he has been happy with it |
| 09:05.56 | jozefk | yeah you are right. I think I'll go for Z too |
| 09:06.00 | bioterror | and I assume they're going to update the 2.2 to 2.3 |
| 09:06.14 | jozefk | that would be nice |
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| 10:59.11 | Bundestrojaner | hello :) |
| 11:01.17 | Bundestrojaner | i have a few questions about how linux on htc works... |
| 11:01.17 | Bundestrojaner | 1) What kernel is used? An Android-kernel or an own linux-kernel? |
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| 11:06.21 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, most working builds use a custom kernel (http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/), based on the Android one. (remember, this is Android on unofficially supported devices, not on Android ones) |
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| 11:11.06 | Bundestrojaner | andycc: is the hardware completely supported? |
| 11:13.51 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, depends on what phone, kernel and Android build you have. I have a Diamond, and it's pretty much supported. |
| 11:14.42 | Bundestrojaner | andycc: why depends it on Android? |
| 11:14.42 | Bundestrojaner | you said it's even an own kernel |
| 11:15.55 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, there are Android packages you can install, and hw support varies from one package to another, and from one kernel build to another. |
| 11:16.34 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, but you came here looking for info about Ubuntu, right? Take a look at https://code.google.com/p/rhobuntu/ |
| 11:18.29 | Bundestrojaner | andycc: i want a "real Linux" on my phone. |
| 11:18.30 | Bundestrojaner | My big hope was Symbian with QT-support, which dies atm. |
| 11:18.30 | Bundestrojaner | But i don't want android, because of the spyware and java as the only working language for developing |
| 11:18.48 | Bundestrojaner | yesterday i read about debian on htc-phones |
| 11:19.27 | Bundestrojaner | that's why i'm here :) |
| 11:19.40 | Bundestrojaner | maybe i missunderstood the whole project... |
| 11:19.52 | helicopter88 | If i remember right there's debian for rhodium and others |
| 11:20.21 | helicopter88 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=640785 here |
| 11:20.36 | helicopter88 | it should be rhobuntu and debian in the same thread |
| 11:21.07 | Bundestrojaner | would it not be simpler to run Linux on a phone designed for Android? |
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| 11:22.21 | helicopter88 | Bundestrojaner:I don't know |
| 11:22.40 | poink | It's been done. |
| 11:23.08 | poink | I guess people want the challenge. |
| 11:23.50 | Bundestrojaner | yeah, i think so too |
| 11:24.17 | poink | I think if you can provide the rootfs, you can just use a stock Android kernel with Linux. |
| 11:24.29 | Bundestrojaner | but i have no problem with a phone designed for android |
| 11:25.04 | Bundestrojaner | so is there a new smart phone running linux almost perfect? |
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| 11:26.21 | Bundestrojaner | my target is to get the freedom of linux and getting rid of the power google probably has... |
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| 11:35.35 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, I hear the Palm Pre runs Linux. |
| 11:37.02 | helicopter88 | If i'm right palm pre is linux based.. |
| 11:39.47 | Bundestrojaner | i just visited the wiki linked in the topic (http://htc-linux.org) |
| 11:39.47 | Bundestrojaner | there's a list of "supported devices", but i can't find any information what works and don't works... |
| 11:42.06 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, check http://www.neopeek.com/ for Android packages; I see most (if not all) of them specify what works/doesn't work. |
| 11:44.00 | Bundestrojaner | andycc: i still don't get what Linux on a phone has to do with android? |
| 11:45.00 | poink | Android runs on a Linux kernel, and provides a near full userland. |
| 11:45.59 | Bundestrojaner | poink: as far as i know, you can't develope for android in any language but java and it's still not known what spyware google implemented into it |
| 11:46.02 | andycc | Bundestrojaner, well, Android is a pretty much complete OS for phones. It provides all the functionality you need, so it's usually the main focus of porting Linux. |
| 11:47.05 | Bundestrojaner | so the topic of #htc-linux is to port android to phones not designed for it? |
| 11:47.43 | helicopter88 | #htc-linux's topic is to port linux kernel to other phones |
| 11:47.59 | helicopter88 | #xdandroid's topic is to port android to our phones.. |
| 11:48.25 | poink | Bundestrojaner: You can write native code, and Google would have been pretty damn stupid to put spyware in the (open source) core OS when they can just put in it their apps. |
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| 11:49.20 | poink | Bundestrojaner: also, asking users for personal data is really effective. |
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| 12:00.38 | Bundestrojaner | poink: it doesn't matter if the spyware is in the apps or in the core. |
| 12:01.05 | Bundestrojaner | poink: and yes, facebook prove this .... |
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| 12:02.30 | Bundestrojaner | helicopter88: is someone developing a google-free linux for modern smart phones? |
| 12:03.07 | poink | Bundestrojaner: yes, it does, because you can just not install Google's Apps. |
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| 12:04.09 | pentarex | hey guys... I want to buy HTC Wildfire on T-Mobile, but its locked... if I root it and change the ROM is it going to work with other sim cards / |
| 12:04.33 | poink | pentarex: no. |
| 12:05.02 | pentarex | poink: How I can unlock it exept this sites that you pay 20 euros |
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| 12:06.02 | poink | pentarex: ask T-Mobile although outside of the US, they will be charging you. |
| 12:06.22 | pentarex | I will ask them for sure :) |
| 12:06.26 | pentarex | thank you |
| 12:07.32 | poink | I believe you can use anyone who's a virtual provider who uses T-Mobile's towers without an unlock though. |
| 12:07.53 | pentarex | I've read that if you install it wildbuzz rom or something like this, unlocks them but |
| 12:07.54 | pentarex | dunno |
| 12:08.03 | pentarex | poink: what do you mean with virtual provider |
| 12:10.27 | poink | You buy your service from company X (say Virgin Mobile UK). They then pay company Y (say T-Mobile) to provide the actual network. |
| 12:11.18 | poink | Virgin are virtual as they don't operate a physical network. |
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| 12:13.27 | pentarex | poink: aha, dont know actually I'm from Bulgaria and I will get the telephone from Austria, because its free :D.... but dont know if our operators in Bulgaria are virtual |
| 12:15.03 | pentarex | poink: TY anyway.... I will ask the guys from T-Mobile is it ok to give me the code, if not I will try with rooting and changing the rom, if that dont fit I will pay to one of this sites :) |
| 12:15.16 | pentarex | I am wondering, how this sites generate the codes.... |
| 12:22.37 | Bundestrojaner | poinx: so everything i can't remove from the phone is open source? |
| 12:22.44 | Bundestrojaner | poink |
| 12:23.04 | poink | Bundestrojaner: look at something like Replicant |
| 12:23.59 | Bundestrojaner | poink: i don't have a phone with android at the moment... |
| 12:24.13 | Bundestrojaner | and i've never tried it |
| 12:24.25 | poink | Bundestrojaner: Linux isn't going to make it more open source, in the sense that you're kind of stuck on things like the radio software IIRC. |
| 12:24.34 | helicopter88 | i'm back |
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| 12:26.55 | helicopter88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.46 | poink | Bundestrojaner: if you're very much interested in it being open source something like that's your best bet. Alternatively, consider something like the N900, which although old, is probably going to get a lot of continuing dev. |
| 12:28.56 | helicopter88 | about the N900,i think that nokia stopped supporting it,but from what i know there are talented devs for it and there is a way to run android apps.. |
| 12:30.13 | khorben_ | Bundestrojaner: you may want to check http://trac.hackable1.org/ and http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ |
| 12:30.37 | helicopter88 | ot,fedora 15 is really nice |
| 12:30.47 | Bundestrojaner | android would be an option if i can avoid everything not open source |
| 12:31.03 | Bundestrojaner | i'm just afraid of spyware in android |
| 12:31.48 | helicopter88 | Android isn't that spyware'd,google has put his things |
| 12:31.50 | Bundestrojaner | so is it possible to avoid everything from google and not open source |
| 12:32.04 | helicopter88 | *its things on it,but you can remove all the google things |
| 12:32.11 | Bundestrojaner | ok |
| 12:32.34 | Bundestrojaner | helicopter88: is it possible to develope in C++ for Android? |
| 12:32.49 | Bundestrojaner | if it's a real linux, i can compile software for it? |
| 12:32.56 | helicopter88 | I think that you can develop only in java.. |
| 12:33.21 | Bundestrojaner | damn, i hate java |
| 12:33.42 | helicopter88 | You could do a search on google about it.. |
| 12:34.03 | Bundestrojaner | i did, no answers found |
| 12:34.13 | Bundestrojaner | many people, even companies, request it |
| 12:36.47 | helicopter88 | I think that maemo/meego supports other ways to develop |
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| 12:39.06 | poink | Since Android 2.3 (NDK r5) you've been able to do apps entirely in C++ |
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| 15:29.38 | GNUtoo | hw |
| 15:29.50 | GNUtoo | oops |
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| 16:43.16 | pentarex | anyone here |
| 16:44.05 | [acl] | no |
| 16:44.42 | pentarex | nice, can anyone tell me the difference between custom ROM's |
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| 16:45.02 | helicopter88 | No |
| 16:46.28 | pentarex | helicopter88: ok if I am asking my question not right tell me please or give me something to read about to understand... thank You |
| 16:46.29 | pentarex | :) |
| 16:47.25 | helicopter88 | Ask your questions,but this channel is more kernel developement,if you have a xdandroid support phone,the right channel is #xdandroid |
| 16:48.14 | helicopter88 | *xdandroid supported phones : diam,raph,black,topaz,rhod |
| 16:48.22 | pentarex | helicopter88: ah ok thank you anyway I didn't know... I am new in this sphere |
| 16:48.46 | pentarex | kernel development eh :P C language ? |
| 16:53.04 | pentarex | ok thank you anyway mate for pointing me the direction |
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| 17:05.34 | GNUtoo | hi phh |
| 17:05.52 | GNUtoo | I've some question about AudioPara, do you have the wince one that matches that: |
| 17:06.02 | GNUtoo | https://gitorious.org/linux-on-qualcomm-s-msm/linux-msm/blobs/htc-msm-2.6.27/arch/arm/mach-msm/AudioPara.c |
| 17:06.24 | GNUtoo | because I take the AudioPara4.csv and add 0x everywhere but for the description |
| 17:08.10 | GNUtoo | example of line for the Dream: A0,HTC_VOC_CODEC_EARCUPLE_VOICE,35,71,36,61,37,0,38,0,39,3,3A,0,3B,0,3C,0,3D,0,3E,0,3F,0,40,0,41,1C,42,0,43,0,44,0,45,0,46,0,47,0,48,0,49,0,4A,1,4B,0,4C,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 |
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| 17:14.54 | GNUtoo | then the second line starts with A1 |
| 17:15.01 | GNUtoo | the third with A2 |
| 17:15.20 | GNUtoo | until A23 |
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| 17:20.00 | dcordes | ~seen ALSA |
| 17:20.12 | apt | alsa <n=chatzill@212.40.146.88> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 635d 18h 43m 14s ago, saying: 'dkr: aha, ok then, all the rest are dependencies?? wow'. |
| 17:20.26 | jonpry | GNUtoo, iirc the AudioPara.c is verbatim copy of the csv. the numbers in the csv are just short ints |
| 17:21.13 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:21.29 | jonpry | your trying to reverse the format |
| 17:21.30 | jonpry | ? |
| 17:21.31 | GNUtoo | so how should I convert it exactly |
| 17:21.43 | GNUtoo | I know the format, somebody pasted it to me |
| 17:22.03 | jonpry | i mean the meaning of the numbers |
| 17:22.10 | GNUtoo | I just want to C-ify my AudioPara |
| 17:22.25 | GNUtoo | I know the meaning, but I've no idea where it comes from |
| 17:22.37 | jonpry | doesn't JB have acoustic working? |
| 17:22.40 | GNUtoo | http://pastebin.com/EjcMgkLg |
| 17:23.06 | GNUtoo | I want acoustic on my dream without the proprietary lib |
| 17:24.37 | jonpry | you wouldn't happen to have your csv handy? |
| 17:26.18 | GNUtoo | yes I have |
| 17:26.38 | jonpry | pastebin? |
| 17:27.40 | GNUtoo | http://www.pastie.org/private/nenqo6i5r2nhvc4drzy3q |
| 17:30.31 | jonpry | so if you look at code=F0 its fairly clear how that is the same as AudioPara no? |
| 17:31.07 | GNUtoo | ah? |
| 17:31.54 | GNUtoo | ahhh |
| 17:31.56 | GNUtoo | F0,PHONE_HEADSET_VOL0,0,4000,2013,0,7FB2,23FD,0,2D33,0,C80,FF9A,1D80,F333,01EC,FFEE,200A,7F65,0,ED00,0,0,3FD9,0,C80,FF9A,1B0C,F333,01EC,FFEE,200A,7F65,7fff,800,7fff,149f,0,14,800,2000,2000,fa,46,2,2ff,40,20,4650,40,41a0,800,63,4DFF,4DFF,2,3F00,7D0,0,0,100,100,200,50,300,150,64,1ca8,1c2,2ee0,fa0,FFFF,0,0,0,0,0,0,4000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,2,2,2,2,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 |
| 17:31.56 | GNUtoo | ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,2,2,2,2,FFFF |
| 17:32.00 | GNUtoo | I should look down |
| 17:32.06 | GNUtoo | what's A0 then |
| 17:33.03 | jonpry | different modes |
| 17:33.20 | jonpry | maybe external i2s codec mode? |
| 17:34.17 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 17:34.31 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
| 17:35.00 | jonpry | no problem |
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| 20:45.33 | GNUtoo | I don't understand something about audioparams |
| 20:46.03 | GNUtoo | why aren't they all copied to MSM_SHARED_RAM_BASE+0xfc300 |
| 20:50.18 | GNUtoo | jonpry, ^^^ |
| 20:50.34 | GNUtoo | I mean it look for an entry in the table |
| 20:50.46 | GNUtoo | and then set that memcpy that entry |
| 20:52.03 | GNUtoo | basically I want to be able to lower the volume in calls |
| 20:52.16 | GNUtoo | that's why I'm going trough this |
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| 22:17.59 | jonpry | GNUtoo, they are copied afaik |
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| 22:19.24 | GNUtoo | jonpry, I'll go and return in some days |
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