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15:35.29Alex[sp3dev]FfUuUuuFF
15:38.27arrrghhh:D
15:38.29arrrghhhwhat's up Alex[sp3dev]
15:39.22Alex[sp3dev]sux. need to fix wifi sleep issues on x1. and fucking hd mini is driving me mad. usb and nand are working now, but LK won't boot if flashed to NAND
15:39.44arrrghhhouch.
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15:48.38Cotullahey
15:49.04Alex[sp3dev]remote mind reading detected
15:49.10Cotulla?
15:49.18Cotullawhich protocol?
15:49.24Cotullatrollface protocol?
15:49.48Alex[sp3dev]of course. are there alternatives?
15:50.05Cotullashould be
15:50.15Cotullahow is it and u?
15:50.53Alex[sp3dev]Cotulla: guess what. the problem with USB was incredibly stupid. I didn't notice fastboot buffer was defined static so it went to memory before 0x100000. replaced with malloc => profit!
15:51.17Cotullahehe I tell u about memory
15:51.22CotullaI feel it ;)
15:51.52CotullaI am try to avoid malloc inside MAGLDR! static buffers are good
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15:53.00Alex[sp3dev]well, the hsusb driver itself was OK with buffers. the problem was in fastboot which is in a separate file. i have understood it after i have understood how USB controller works and that we write ENDPOINTSADDR
15:53.16Cotullahehe
15:53.51Cotullathere chain of descriptors
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15:55.03Alex[sp3dev]well, we write the address of the buffer to the controller and it DMAs or copies the data when ready. the mem at 0 is not mapped as device memory so peripherals and dmac cannot write there
15:55.26Cotulla:P
15:55.42Cotullait's why u need those PMEM buffers
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15:55.53helicopter88alex,sorry for the stupid question,what ril is used on cm7 on x1? xdandroid's one?
15:56.08arrrghhhprobably not
15:56.09Alex[sp3dev]helicopter88: yep. you could look up the sources
15:56.14arrrghhhXDAndroid's RIL is hacked to poop
15:56.15arrrghhhorly
15:56.17Cotullahey arrrghhh
15:56.24arrrghhhhowdy
15:56.30helicopter88yeah,i have your device,but xdandroid-ril is empty
15:56.31CotullaI heard about snowstorm inside  USA is it right?
15:57.00arrrghhhyea not bad tho
15:57.08Alex[sp3dev]helicopter88: damn. ok, it is xdandroid ril but some lines were commented out. those that made it print the git version on init because for some reason that did not compile
15:57.14arrrghhhjust retards that don't know how to drive slipping off the road.  most people got thru fine.
15:57.33helicopter88ok,ty alex
15:57.39Cotullaso already some ice on the roads?
15:57.44Cotulla<PROTECTED>
15:57.54arrrghhhyea, a little
15:57.57Cotullaomg
15:58.03Cotullaeven in russian no ice :P
15:58.09Cotullayet
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16:00.10Alex[sp3dev]helicopter88: actually, i probably have some older xdandroid ril. probably the HEAD from gingerbread branch should be better anyway
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16:02.26helicopter88i'm working on froyo,since for me gb is too slow,the only issues i have to be like gb are ril and wifi,but i want first ril fixed,that's why i've asked
16:03.16Alex[sp3dev]i wonder why on sd boot my device does not seem to have SoD. probably should use unsafe resume and mark sd as non-removable on nand boot
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16:07.08gnutoohi does anyone know the fsa9480
16:07.30gnutooI wonder if I need to do anything special to get kernel serial output
16:07.37gnutoolike in software
16:07.43Alex[sp3dev]gnutoo: you know that we only work with shitty hardware and proprietary crap here
16:07.52gnutoolol
16:08.14gnutoobut maybe some htc phone got a switch under the USB
16:08.28arrrghhhhahaha
16:08.43Cotullawhat is fsa9480
16:08.44Cotulla?
16:08.44Alex[sp3dev]if it has a serial driver, you should add console=ttyS0,115200n8 to cmdline
16:09.01gnutoobasically you have an usb port and you expose usb,serial,charger etc...
16:09.05gnutootrough the usb
16:09.22Alex[sp3dev]hardcode the serial mode in kernel and fake the detection?
16:09.43gnutooso because of android non-standardness I wondered what I should do to get my board mainline(serial only for now) but the serial is behind a fsa9480
16:09.58Cotullawhich device?
16:10.02gnutoonexus S
16:10.08Cotullaohh samsung @$@^$
16:10.12gnutooindeed
16:10.15Cotullawait
16:10.17CotullaI saw it too
16:10.20gnutoowith alsa that has some issues and wifi too
16:10.24Cotullasomewhere
16:10.27gnutoook
16:10.51Alex[sp3dev]but it has v4l2 and powervr which compensates for everything and makes qcom suck ballz
16:10.53gnutoothere is an fsa driver mainline tough
16:11.06Cotullaunicode 0, <FSA9280 >,0
16:11.07gnutoonon-standard v4l2 too
16:11.11Cotullaha
16:11.24Cotullait's in Focus also
16:11.32Alex[sp3dev]what is Focus?
16:11.33gnutoothere is something like media controller
16:11.43gnutoothat is non-standard
16:11.48CotullaSamsung Focus
16:11.54gnutoobut I belive that once it's activated it would work in standard mode
16:11.59gnutoobut I've not tried
16:13.02Cotullawhat u plan to do with Nexus S?
16:13.41gnutooalso I've tried to print serial messages with console=s3c2410_serial2,115200 but that failed
16:13.46gnutooI don't know yet
16:13.53gnutoobasically I've too many phones now
16:14.03gnutooand we must have an SHR+FSO developer meeting
16:14.09gnutooin germany in december
16:14.13Cotullahehe
16:14.18gnutooso I think we'll really decide what to do there
16:14.31Cotullaok :)
16:14.35gnutooCotulla: btw is dcordes still active
16:14.36gnutoo?
16:14.51gnutoobecause he's the only one capable of making images for you
16:15.08CotullaI don't know . . . did not see him long time
16:15.12gnutoook
16:15.21gnutoolast time I saw him, he sent patches for shr-core
16:15.22Cotullait's question how is it stable
16:15.30gnutoonow it's becomming better
16:15.32Cotullathen we may releaes for community
16:15.36CotullaSHR LEO or etc
16:15.40gnutoothe top bar doesn't crash anymore etc...
16:15.48gnutoook
16:15.57gnutoothe big problem is that we lack manpower
16:16.17gnutooso we have huges issues because of that
16:16.25gnutoosome devices seem left behind etc...
16:17.13Cotullayeah
16:17.19Cotullait's hard to do alone
16:17.40Alex[sp3dev]gnutoo: to make a finished port you have to work faster than hardware goes out of use. mainlining will, unfortunately, take too much time and introduce new bugs unless you start as soon as the device is released
16:17.54Cotullabugs is pain
16:17.56Cotullaagain - pain
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16:18.15gnutoolol
16:18.20CotullaI spent 3 days until I understand that "this crappy free RTOS implements set_event() function wrong"
16:18.32Cotulla:(
16:18.44Cotullathey wake up only one waiting task
16:18.46Alex[sp3dev]nexus s is a good candidate because it does not have qualcomm (which has a lot of bugs and no datasheets) and has powervr (which has at least some kind of opengl drivers, but for omap)
16:18.56gnutoowhat about devices that have a bigger community behind, for instance gta02,gta04 etc...
16:19.09CotullaI am for qualcomm :D
16:19.23Cotullasamsung make too many crap/stuffs
16:19.24Alex[sp3dev]gta04 is not available. you cannot just go and buy it. gta02 is too old, slow and buggy
16:19.29gnutooreally?
16:19.29Cotullatoday it's one cpu, tomorrow it's other
16:19.45gnutoogta04 is starting to be available, some people have it
16:19.46Cotullaas well bunch of devices with looks same, but has different HW
16:19.52Cotullaso community is fragmented and etc
16:20.03gnutoothe really was for qualcomm vs samsung
16:20.23CotullaQCT used in many devices, Samsung almost only in their
16:20.29Alex[sp3dev]gnutoo: i think n900 and n9 are good devices for community, although n9 is expensive. also, omap3/omap4 phones should be easy to support on non-android
16:20.30gnutooah ok
16:20.31Cotullaand only in the top their devices
16:20.44Cotullain the middle and lower layer they are using QCT too :P
16:20.51Cotulla*low cost
16:20.56gnutooyes I was given a nexus S, but I would really want to work on my n900
16:21.07gnutoothe kenrel is almost mainline
16:21.13gnutooand the modem will hit mainline soon
16:21.22Cotullamodem?
16:21.30gnutooI think in one or two revs the hsi will be in
16:21.44gnutooyes hsi+cmt_speech and all
16:21.48Alex[sp3dev]omap3 can be clocked to 1 ghz and the performance is around qsd8250, right?
16:22.19gnutoodo not overclock tough
16:22.44Cotullaare there DSP insdie?
16:22.45gnutooit's dangerous because of electron migrations, for instance after some time you get some random segfaults etc....
16:22.49gnutooyes
16:22.59gnutooc64x or something like that
16:23.10gnutooand it's very free software friendly
16:23.18Cotullayes, I heard ;)
16:23.36Alex[sp3dev]gnutoo: i do not think i am buying a new phone soon but if i am, i am choosing between n900, lg optimus 3d (omap4) and lg optimus black (omap3)
16:23.53Cotullachoose the last one - because it's black :)
16:23.58gnutoocan you still buy n900?
16:24.11Alex[sp3dev]gnutoo: yes, it is in many shops here
16:24.13Cotullaso fingers won't be so visible after using
16:24.19gnutoobecause they seem to be out of stock at nokia, tough maybe second hand....
16:24.30gnutoofor instance they replace broken ones with other phones
16:24.41gnutoothere is the n9 too
16:24.44gnutooand the nexus prime
16:24.57Alex[sp3dev]n9 is overprices. and nexus prime.. well, it ain't gonna be cheap
16:25.03gnutoook
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16:28.04Alex[sp3dev]hell n9 is $800. are they sane? the hardware is 2 years old
16:28.11Cotulla:P
16:28.24gnutooouch
16:28.34gnutoothat's not cheap
16:28.46Alex[sp3dev]even on ebay they seem to start from $650
16:28.48gnutooand I guess they don't give them out easily
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16:38.13[acl]any one want to move to nyc.. got a company who looking for unix cats
16:38.27arrrghhhcan i work remotely?  :P
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16:38.57Cotullawhat about lolcats?
16:39.04Alex[sp3dev]damn the whole crowd is here
16:39.14Cotullaya
16:39.41Cotullawho wanna a riddle?
16:41.26arrrghhh*crickets*
16:42.22Cotulla"the biggest function inside MAGLDR is never used. what name of this function? guess?" :D
16:42.29Alex[sp3dev]main
16:42.31arrrghhhtetris?
16:42.32Cotullano
16:42.34helicopter88tetris?
16:42.37Cotullano
16:42.44Cotullau can call tetris from menu, so it's used ;)
16:42.54arrrghhhoh something you can't call from a menu
16:42.58arrrghhhlol
16:43.01Cotullait not used at all
16:43.04arrrghhhyou suck Cotulla, awful riddle.
16:43.05Cotullathis function
16:43.06Alex[sp3dev]bricking the device
16:43.09Cotullano
16:43.18Cotullajust turn on the mind ;)
16:43.26helicopter88has never seen magldr
16:44.05Cotullalol noone can
16:44.06Cotullalol
16:44.07Alex[sp3dev]void DontUseMe
16:44.11arrrghhhCotulla, considering magldr is closed source and available publicly for a whopping one device...
16:44.22Cotullau are wrong . . . both wrong
16:44.25Cotullau go from other side
16:44.28Cotulla;)
16:44.35Alex[sp3dev]"The never used function"
16:44.39Cotullayes
16:44.44Cotullait's some kind of key
16:44.47Cotulla^^
16:44.51arrrghhhssh?
16:44.55Cotullano
16:44.59arrrghhhwtf does this matter
16:45.05arrrghhhyou still suck at riddles BTW
16:45.07Cotullahint?
16:45.16Alex[sp3dev]fucking philosopher
16:45.44Cotulla"It never used function" - main idea in this sentence which should allow to go ur mind ;)
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16:46.20Cotullaokay I will tell u answer
16:46.21Cotulla:D
16:47.54helicopter88the answer is "none" ?
16:48.14Cotullano
16:48.14helicopter88and,uhm,you've said nothing
16:48.23Cotullaanswer - C/C++ compiler remove unused functions. so language of this function is definitely not C/C++
16:48.31arrrghhhFFS.
16:48.41Cotullaso this function obviously is coded on ASM
16:49.00Cotullawhich function can be the biggest one and be on ASM? :D
16:49.23Alex[sp3dev]the inline function?
16:49.32CotullaASM has no inline functions
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16:51.40Cotullaso answer is "memcpybigblk". seems it done on asm inside one file with usual memcpy. so linker link them both, while second one is unsued :P
16:52.07[acl]no working remotely unfortunately
16:52.11[acl]money is good tho
16:52.21[acl]take whaever you make now and double it
16:52.56Alex[sp3dev]remote working does not allow corporal punishment therefore does not appeal to employers
16:54.11[acl]well if it was  one of the operations positions i think remote is good because its cheaper than having someone onsite.. but this is a raw admin position that may require hands on
16:54.13[acl]:-(
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16:54.31[acl]i would take it but its not my cup of tea
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17:18.44arrrghhh[acl], how do you know they would double my pay?  i think i'd need like 4x my pay to even live in NYC :P
17:19.12[acl]lol
17:19.15[acl]well i know the dood hiring
17:19.20[acl]and depending on the skill ..
17:19.25arrrghhhyou don't know what i make :P
17:19.26[acl]i cna send u the job desc if u want
17:19.31arrrghhhnah, i couldn't move to NY
17:19.35[acl]damn
17:19.37[acl]why not
17:19.38arrrghhhsounds nice tho.  i need a new job.
17:19.49arrrghhhi don't think i could leave this state bro.  i love the mountains way too much.
17:19.57[acl]damn
17:20.01[acl]thats why they made cars bro..
17:20.06[acl]drive the fuck out of here
17:20.14[acl]let me put it this way
17:20.14arrrghhhsome guy tried to get me to move to Bismark ND
17:20.19arrrghhhlol
17:20.19[acl]which do you love more
17:20.24[acl]mountains or women ?
17:20.28arrrghhhshit.
17:20.34arrrghhhwhy can't i have both?  :P
17:20.36[acl]cuz we may not have mountains.. but we have more women than men here
17:20.50arrrghhhmy company is like 80% women.  we're a bank.
17:20.53arrrghhh:D
17:20.56[acl]damn
17:20.57[acl]lol
17:21.02arrrghhhnot that it's ever gotten me laid.
17:21.02Cotullalol
17:21.04[acl]then sounds like ur in a good place
17:21.08Cotulla:D
17:30.28arrrghhheh, for the most part i do like my job.
17:30.45Cotullaare they young?
17:30.47Cotulla^^
17:30.47arrrghhhand i really do love this state.  not sure i'd ever want to move permanently from it.
17:30.52arrrghhhthe girls?  some.
17:31.08arrrghhhgot a few hotties in this building.  i don't always get out to the branch locations often as i'd like...
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18:37.04[acl]dang just got back buzzed
18:37.07[acl]love wine
18:37.30Cotullalol
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18:39.42[acl]:-)
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19:39.55WisTilt2Wake Up People!
19:40.14WisTilt2[acl]: you here?
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19:42.31raymonddullno one is here.
19:42.38WisTilt2arrrghhh ?  Everyone in a company meeting or what
19:42.39arrrghhhWisTilt2, holy poop
19:42.46arrrghhhwhat's up dude?
19:42.46WisTilt2ha, there he is
19:42.57arrrghhhcompany meeting lol
19:43.51WisTilt2been busy porting over our radio code from 2.15 to 2.39 so had to set this stuff aside.
19:44.01arrrghhhah
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19:44.17arrrghhhstill knee deep in all that ATT stuff eh?
19:45.44WisTilt2Yeah but that project is running nice and smooth now.  all our new equipment uses the atheros 9285 and newer chips so the old 2.6.15 kernel kinda lacked in robustness.  ported to 2.6.39 and flying high now.
19:46.08arrrghhhsweet!
19:46.28WisTilt2im pretty much done with all that so thought i'd pop back into this stuff for the rest of the year.
19:46.51WisTilt2whats new on the android front?
19:47.01raymonddullICS
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19:51.02arrrghhhdon't listen to raymonddull
19:51.23arrrghhhWisTilt2, in our world a few things have been happening, but it's been slow going.
19:51.26raymonddulllol,no ics on these devices?
19:51.30arrrghhhemwe has been doing a lot of maintenance/cleanup
19:51.37arrrghhhraymonddull, doubtful and the code isn't out. who cares.
19:51.42raymonddullgood point
19:52.00arrrghhhWisTilt2, ACL has been flying solo on NAND.  been doing great, but that's a CDMA-only affair right now.
19:52.09arrrghhhhe still needs to sort out the layout for GSM devices i think.
19:52.29arrrghhhwhat else... mostly just people working on GB and the new acoustic.  detule has been plugging at your .39 tree..
19:52.48WisTilt2nice.  i can probably give him a hand on the gsm side.  what boot loader is he using?  we use u-boot here on our devices.
19:52.53arrrghhhhasn't done anything earth-shattering there unfortunately.  there was a few bugs i think he squashed, but that dramatic slowdown i think is still outstanding.
19:53.01arrrghhhhe's using LK
19:53.14arrrghhhalthough hum
19:53.20arrrghhhbootloader... i might be confusing things here.
19:53.35arrrghhhthe bootloader technically is still windoze/whatever the stock phone users
19:53.36arrrghhhuses*
19:53.49arrrghhhhe just flashes an NBH that has LK in it, then install recovery thru fastboot
19:53.59arrrghhhand once in recovery, flash Android...
19:55.18WisTilt2ill have to talk to him and see what he's doing.  we have u-boot in bottom partition and firmware etc., in other partitions.
19:56.10WisTilt2i was thinking of trying to stick .39 in there with our current setup and see if i can get it to boot.
19:56.31arrrghhhheh
19:56.40arrrghhhi know the kernel he's got on NAND has drifted pretty far from HaRET
19:56.48arrrghhhit's also .27 :(
19:57.05WisTilt2detule, i dont know him other than seeing him now and then.  is he working on .39 acoustic or what?
19:57.18arrrghhhjust .39 in general it seems
19:57.22arrrghhhhe also did some clean up stuff
19:57.34arrrghhhhelped out with getting the LED to work "properly"
19:57.44arrrghhh(as you would expect it to work on a 'real' phone in other words)
19:57.54arrrghhhemwe said he submitted some patches to get caps/fn led in userland (finally)
19:58.39emweuserland is cyanogen basicly. haven't looked as his kernel patches, though.
19:58.45emwejust a matter of getting them in.
19:58.47WisTilt2ive been running our .39 for a couple months now, pretty solid other than the occasional slow down needing a reboot.  fixed some of the intermittent audio routing issues but have more to do.
19:59.14arrrghhhWisTilt2, i think the new acoustic will be a boon, if the bugs can be squashed.
19:59.31arrrghhhno more messy hacks to get audio routing to work, let userland tell the kernel where/how to route audio.
19:59.33WisTilt2caps/fn in userland nice:)  can take out my ugly hack from the kernel now
19:59.39arrrghhhhehe
19:59.56arrrghhhbut i have a status meeting... bbl.
20:00.06WisTilt2k, ill be around for a few hours
20:00.11WisTilt2hi emwe btw:)
20:02.09emwehi WisTilt2, wb.
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23:00.53WisTilt2hey arrrghhh, does detule hang out here?  i'd like to talk with him to see what all he's been digging into in .39 so far.
23:01.27arrrghhhyea, he does.
23:01.34arrrghhhhe's not online right now tho, as you can see ;)
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23:02.32WisTilt2i'll catch him eventually then thanks.  just laying out my .39 stuff again so i can get somewhat organized before i put this all aside.
23:02.39arrrghhhcool
23:02.56arrrghhhlet me know if you want me to help you get up to speed with a new build
23:03.02arrrghhhemwe's been doing some great work on GB
23:03.23arrrghhhfroyo development has kinda stagnated.  i say if GB is as good (if not better), why put more work into froyo...
23:04.13WisTilt2GB ready to go now?  I should be using that instead of froyo for testing then, or is it current with the fixed ril, etc?
23:04.29arrrghhhi can throw you a new image of gb
23:04.33arrrghhhgot the newest acoustic code
23:04.42arrrghhhAFAIK emwe has kept the public repo for GB up to date too
23:04.50arrrghhhhe was talking about the manifest for it not too long ago
23:05.04arrrghhhso if you want to sync the gb repo, that should give you the newest image he has given me...
23:05.08WisTilt2yeah if it has acoustic in it ill work with that then.
23:05.43arrrghhhit does i believe
23:05.53arrrghhhthe repo does that is
23:06.00arrrghhhi know the images emwe was handing me had it...
23:06.06WisTilt2did hyc's nice ril get stuck in GB also?
23:06.09arrrghhhAFAIK you still need those CSV's at the root of your SD
23:06.30WisTilt2k, i still have those csv's on the card
23:07.03WisTilt2which acoustic is it do you know, jb's or alex's or a hybrid of both?
23:07.31arrrghhhwell it's mostly jb's work
23:07.38arrrghhhafaik alex added some patches
23:07.42arrrghhhemwe did as well
23:07.45arrrghhhbig hybrid ;)
23:08.02arrrghhhthere was some differing clocks too, i think alex's were settled upon.
23:08.09WisTilt2good deal.  im used to jb's stuff as that is what I have running now so will be easier to tweak.
23:09.05arrrghhhas i understand it the lionshare of the acoustic code is still jb's
23:09.20arrrghhht'was always used as the base for the acoustic code...
23:11.47WisTilt2arrrghhh: can you point me to the GB image to dl?
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23:15.40arrrghhhcertainly
23:15.41arrrghhh1 sec
23:16.13arrrghhhpm
23:16.24WisTilt2thank you sir
23:16.27arrrghhhnp.
23:16.36arrrghhhdon't mind the htctopaz link, it is emwe after all :P
23:16.51arrrghhhoh he's got a different rootfs from autobuild too
23:16.53arrrghhh1 sec
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23:28.55WisTilt2arrrghhh so we need this rootfs also?
23:34.58arrrghhhwell
23:35.05arrrghhhthere's some issue with SU
23:35.09arrrghhhi think it's still outstanding
23:35.20arrrghhhand this rootfs is 'unsecure'
23:35.24arrrghhhso no need for SU
23:35.30arrrghhhthere was something else emwe changed, 1 sec
23:36.02arrrghhh<emwe> no, it contains the lmk-patches
23:36.07arrrghhhin reference to that rootfs.
23:36.37WisTilt2ok ill mess with it tonight
23:38.26arrrghhhcool
23:38.31arrrghhhlet me know how else i can help
23:38.44arrrghhhi know not much, but hopefully i'm good at doing an overview ;)
23:39.25WisTilt2you still have the 400?  ill probably throw you the .39 kernel ive been running for a couple months and see what you think.  i have a couple fixes to it first though.
23:40.42arrrghhhoh yea
23:40.45arrrghhhstill rockin the 400
23:40.57arrrghhhtha'd be cool.  glad to have you back in action mate :D
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23:42.00WisTilt2glad to be back doing this for a bit too.
23:42.27arrrghhhproject's still moving, just very slowly :P
23:44.01bzoI think we just need one more good push to get to a decent point
23:44.49arrrghhhit's damn close
23:44.57WisTilt2hey there bzo
23:45.00arrrghhhjust lots (unfortunately) of little things still outstanding.
23:45.08bzoHi Wis good to see ya
23:48.15WisTilt2arrrghhh: what kernel you testing GB on?
23:48.50arrrghhhusually .35
23:48.52arrrghhhdon't hate me :P
23:49.15arrrghhhemwe's been cranking stuff out to test on it.
23:49.19WisTilt2k. looks like i need to make lots of changes to .39 to play nice
23:49.27arrrghhhi've honestly been on NAND mostly.  on the dark side.
23:49.37arrrghhho... bummer
23:49.46arrrghhhthe acoustic libs did change from vanilla jb's, i know that.
23:49.52bzosheesh, it's sad, even the cutting edge .39 stuff is getting old
23:49.57bzoaren't they up to 3.1 now?
23:50.04WisTilt2yeah 3.1 already
23:50.13arrrghhhindeed...
23:50.22arrrghhhyou guys had a 3.0 kernel pretty quickly after it was released.
23:50.30arrrghhhcrazy jonpry.
23:50.39WisTilt2yep it still works but needs lots of repairing
23:50.45bzoI was about to say, by you guys you mean jonpry :P
23:50.56bzoor did you work on it to WisTilt2?
23:50.56arrrghhhwell
23:51.01arrrghhhWisTilt2 did as well
23:51.08arrrghhhhim and jonpry banged that crap out so fast.
23:51.08bzoah, ic sorry
23:51.27arrrghhhi loved waking up and reading the logs in here from their hackings lol
23:51.34arrrghhhevery night pretty much.
23:51.47WisTilt2no he did all the 3.0 stuff while i was still in the throws of getting acoustic into .39 lol.  i went away for a week and he finished it all up.  i need someone like him working for me:)
23:52.27arrrghhhwow, i didn't realize 3.0 was all him
23:52.30arrrghhhlol, madman.
23:52.47arrrghhhi wonder how his prypad is doing
23:52.47WisTilt2yep, i dont think i did hardly anything to 3.0
23:52.53arrrghhhhe seemed to get distracted by the touchpad
23:53.05arrrghhhperhaps to swipe ideas for the prypad lol
23:53.42WisTilt2hope he's doing well with that project. last i heard was his oven baking test on one of the boards
23:53.59bzoI think jonpry needs a constant challenge going
23:54.19arrrghhhyup.  dude's an animal.
23:54.39WisTilt2i could keep him challenged working for me but unfortunately I couldn't afford him with those talents:)
23:55.00arrrghhhhehe
23:55.16arrrghhhi'm guessing he does a lot of consulting.
23:55.24arrrghhhthat's where the bucks are.  work a little here & there
23:56.03rpierce99consulting is all well and good as long as you don't work for a consulting firm
23:56.09arrrghhhlol
23:56.24rpierce99we pay a firm $80 an hour that is dumber than I am, but I know he doesn't get nearly that
23:56.27bzoI've had my stint of consulting both ways, hate it
23:56.52arrrghhhi guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
23:56.57WisTilt2$80hr?  where's that in the boonies?
23:57.01arrrghhhwe've had some consultants work with us that makes us jealous.
23:57.13rpierce99no it's a lowlevel web development job :)
23:57.34arrrghhhthat your company shells out $80/hr for?  yeesh.
23:57.39bzorates are way down though compared to the early 2000s
23:57.59bzoback then you could do up to $200/hr solo
23:58.08arrrghhhyea
23:58.16rpierce99luckily my company is finally figuring out that outsourcing sucks and are bringing people onboard
23:58.33arrrghhhmy company can't figure out what they want
23:58.44arrrghhhwe're hiring like crazy and looking to outsource everything
23:58.49bzoyeah, unless you need just generic stuff done, these offshore projects seem to usually be a cluster****
23:58.55arrrghhhmaybe they're hiring everyone to figure out how to outsource everything lol
23:59.00rpierce99http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2011/10/06/best-buy-to-hire-200-it-workers.html

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