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| 16:33.21 | Cotulla | ohh MN |
| 16:33.22 | Cotulla | :D |
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| 18:58.04 | Cotulla | huh Tizen is it the second fail of megoo? |
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| 19:27.41 | Cotulla | GNUtoo hi |
| 19:27.46 | GNUtoo | hi |
| 19:27.55 | Cotulla | do u heard anything about Tizen? |
| 19:28.06 | Cotulla | declared as megoo continue |
| 19:28.12 | GNUtoo | yes but there is also mer |
| 19:28.19 | GNUtoo | which is the real meego continue |
| 19:28.22 | GNUtoo | *continuation |
| 19:28.34 | Cotulla | hm |
| 19:28.35 | GNUtoo | tizen will be html5 |
| 19:28.43 | Cotulla | oh ok |
| 19:28.46 | Cotulla | what is other name? |
| 19:29.01 | GNUtoo | last time I looked(long long time ago) tizen didn't produce code yet |
| 19:29.09 | GNUtoo | what do you mean? |
| 19:29.17 | GNUtoo | (by <Cotulla> what is other name?) |
| 19:30.01 | GNUtoo | Community developers from the Mer project however plan to continue MeeGo without Intel and Nokia. So far it is not clear whether they will be allowed to continue to use the MeeGo trademark.[17][18][19] |
| 19:30.05 | GNUtoo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo_%28operating_system%29 |
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| 19:32.18 | Cotulla | ohh |
| 19:32.21 | Cotulla | thk u |
| 19:34.38 | GNUtoo | also: |
| 19:34.51 | GNUtoo | https://www.tizen.org/ |
| 19:35.00 | GNUtoo | there is a post from yesterday |
| 19:35.04 | GNUtoo | An Early Look at Tizen |
| 19:35.12 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 19:35.15 | GNUtoo | where they say they posted some sources |
| 19:35.27 | Cotulla | but HTML5 I think bad idea for mobile OS ;) |
| 19:35.34 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:35.39 | GNUtoo | palm used html5 |
| 19:35.49 | GNUtoo | and they will release it as FLOSS |
| 19:36.04 | Cotulla | if it was good, I may port it to LEO |
| 19:36.11 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 19:36.12 | Cotulla | but I am afraid same story like with neego |
| 19:36.16 | Cotulla | *meego |
| 19:36.27 | GNUtoo | they didn't start releasing the sources yet |
| 19:36.30 | GNUtoo | for palm |
| 19:36.37 | GNUtoo | so let's wait and see |
| 19:37.07 | Cotulla | yes |
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| 20:52.26 | detule | jonpry, how goes it |
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| 22:08.47 | EdLin | Cotulla I liked webOS, but the hardware was crappy. I always wondered what it'd be like if HTC ran webOS. :) |
| 22:09.20 | Cotulla | but it's abandoned already |
| 22:09.50 | EdLin | that's true enough, it is a neat OS though. |
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| 22:22.53 | jonpry | hi detule |
| 22:23.23 | arrrghhh | jonpry, what's up dude. i think detule just left. |
| 22:24.28 | jonpry | hi arrrghhh |
| 22:24.33 | arrrghhh | how you doin? |
| 22:24.37 | jonpry | not much going on. finally got a sim card |
| 22:24.40 | Cotulla | hihi |
| 22:24.41 | arrrghhh | nice |
| 22:24.58 | arrrghhh | jonpry, 3.2 is out |
| 22:24.59 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 22:25.04 | Cotulla | krnl? |
| 22:25.18 | arrrghhh | yessir |
| 22:25.21 | jonpry | yeah first phone call in like 6 months |
| 22:25.27 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 22:25.35 | jonpry | yeah i heard 3.2 has some cool features |
| 22:25.43 | jonpry | like ext4 with blocks > 4k |
| 22:25.49 | Cotulla | hm |
| 22:25.55 | Cotulla | but is it filesystem feature? :P |
| 22:26.10 | jonpry | don't understand |
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| 22:26.39 | Cotulla | ext4 is filesystem, so this is feature of the file system :P |
| 22:27.21 | jonpry | yes it is |
| 22:27.38 | Cotulla | what else is cool? |
| 22:28.01 | jonpry | probably nothing except new hotness |
| 22:28.23 | jonpry | time for another 4 hour port? |
| 22:28.43 | arrrghhh | there was some power saving poop |
| 22:28.47 | arrrghhh | but i don't know if that was for ARM or not... |
| 22:28.53 | Cotulla | ow such skills |
| 22:28.55 | arrrghhh | i want to say that was all x86, but dunno. |
| 22:28.57 | Cotulla | 4 hours == kernel port |
| 22:28.58 | detule | get ready to add "module.h" to every msm device driver |
| 22:29.00 | Cotulla | :) |
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| 22:29.13 | Cotulla | hey Alex |
| 22:30.05 | jonpry | what is module.h? |
| 22:30.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | hey Cotulla |
| 22:30.34 | Cotulla | h r u? |
| 22:30.39 | jonpry | 4 hour port requires so much caffeine it is probably unsafe |
| 22:30.39 | Cotulla | got sn0w |
| 22:30.40 | Cotulla | ? |
| 22:30.42 | detule | "THIS_MODULE" module_param_named etc i guess they moved some kernel headers around |
| 22:30.57 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: dunno, haven't gone out for a week or so |
| 22:31.08 | Cotulla | why O_0? |
| 22:31.20 | jonpry | detule, doesn't sound too terrible |
| 22:31.25 | Cotulla | t00 warm in ur hakery? |
| 22:31.42 | detule | no but i can't get it to boot with your assorted_android_patches so a 4 hr port is needed indeed |
| 22:32.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: well, i'm still having holidays. unlike most universities, we have holidays till 16th and then no more vacations till summer |
| 22:32.17 | Cotulla | I already passed all crap :P |
| 22:32.32 | Cotulla | ohh |
| 22:32.38 | Cotulla | no 23 8 1? |
| 22:32.43 | Cotulla | 9 |
| 22:33.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: well, sure we have public holidays. I mean, most universities study from the 7th and then have vacations in february, no? |
| 22:33.23 | jonpry | detule, oh you already started? |
| 22:33.45 | detule | i tried, i got it to compile, but not boot so i gave up in quick order |
| 22:33.53 | jonpry | ramconsole? |
| 22:34.11 | detule | it doesn't even give me a double vibe - would ramconsole have anything? |
| 22:34.37 | jonpry | sometimes possible |
| 22:36.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | are nokia complete morons? why are they shutting down meego when there is a phone released and they have an army of qt developers? who needs that tizen crap? |
| 22:37.33 | detule | nothing in ramconsole |
| 22:39.20 | sado1 | yes, nokia are complete morons, and elop's mission is MS buying Nokia out, why would he care about linux os that could actually give nokia a future... |
| 22:39.29 | Cotulla | hm we have few exams and start near 100 |
| 22:39.32 | Cotulla | 10 of feb |
| 22:39.50 | Cotulla | tizen crap, but nokia on the right path |
| 22:40.04 | Cotulla | they bad with software |
| 22:40.53 | Cotulla | they should license iOS I think |
| 22:41.07 | sado1 | well, tizen is just intel's way of saying "well, what else could we do? nokia wants meego dead, why should we still use the name of something that is going to die?" |
| 22:41.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | really? so far everyone has liked what nokia's been doing with gtk (hildon in maemo) and qt4.. they have problems with marketing for sure |
| 22:41.42 | Cotulla | there tons of binary crap |
| 22:42.05 | Cotulla | why they develop meego so long? |
| 22:42.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | and what would you want? use bytecode for everything? |
| 22:42.20 | Cotulla | they could take maemo |
| 22:42.25 | Cotulla | update a bit and call meego 1.0 |
| 22:42.36 | sado1 | good question, but it's also interesting why they dumped meego just now |
| 22:42.41 | Alex[sp3dev] | they're doing it long because their managers are stupid |
| 22:42.49 | Cotulla | because they understand that they are not able to develop such things |
| 22:42.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | whenever they have something 90% finished, they throw it all away and start over |
| 22:43.01 | Cotulla | but who will need it? |
| 22:43.11 | Cotulla | lets create a tons of mobile platforms |
| 22:43.17 | sado1 | they say that they dump meego because they won't finish it in time, then they release their first meego and wp7 handsets at the same time? |
| 22:43.18 | Cotulla | make pain for devs and users |
| 22:43.32 | Cotulla | HP closed WebOS |
| 22:43.43 | Cotulla | why meego better than WebOS |
| 22:43.44 | Cotulla | ? |
| 22:43.49 | Cotulla | actully it's almost same |
| 22:43.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | because it has qt4 |
| 22:43.56 | Cotulla | also GNU components used |
| 22:43.57 | Cotulla | and etc |
| 22:44.29 | Cotulla | Qt4 is not the best |
| 22:44.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | qt4 is simply the best framework for app development and it works on windows,linux,mac,android and what not |
| 22:44.54 | Cotulla | but u forgot: mobile apps must have UI _specially_ designed for mobile device |
| 22:44.59 | Cotulla | not ported from desktop crappy UI |
| 22:45.33 | Alex[sp3dev] | well, in qt4 you get it for free. take a look at qutim, for example. it now looks like a native app on maemo and like qip on desktop |
| 22:46.00 | Cotulla | okay |
| 22:46.11 | Cotulla | but same can be done by duing UI on C# |
| 22:46.12 | Cotulla | or Java |
| 22:47.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes. but qt4 has a large number of developers and a lot of apps. tizen with their html crap has nothing. it's like webos, but even worse |
| 22:47.43 | Cotulla | yah |
| 22:48.22 | sado1 | oh, tizen dumped qt? ;/ |
| 22:48.33 | Cotulla | there also Mer |
| 22:48.44 | sado1 | so ironically, they do just what MS does with win8? |
| 22:49.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes, Mer looks good. but it's not commercial, so you won't likely be able to buy a Mer device |
| 22:49.26 | Cotulla | all those OSes looks like big fail for me |
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| 22:50.10 | Alex[sp3dev] | to you everything non-MS looks like big fail |
| 22:50.23 | Cotulla | why? |
| 22:50.39 | Cotulla | Android is not seriously fail |
| 22:50.55 | Cotulla | was done in good time |
| 22:51.05 | Alex[sp3dev] | it was not just done in good time |
| 22:51.06 | Cotulla | was fixed up to stability |
| 22:51.21 | Cotulla | but honestly google just steal a lot of things |
| 22:51.27 | Alex[sp3dev] | it was marketed and many devices were available |
| 22:51.38 | Cotulla | and then developers write in blogs about "initial design issues" |
| 22:51.41 | Alex[sp3dev] | maemo,meego,webos => bad marketing => fail |
| 22:52.49 | Cotulla | I like it |
| 22:52.54 | Cotulla | why we need so many OSes |
| 22:52.58 | Cotulla | ]we have 3 cool ones |
| 22:53.02 | Cotulla | iOS Android & WP7 |
| 22:53.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | we have three ones that suck |
| 22:53.13 | Cotulla | why? |
| 22:53.37 | Cotulla | because there no X11? |
| 22:53.38 | Cotulla | pff |
| 22:54.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | you cannot write cross-platform apps for mobiles. because iOS used to forbid dynamic linking, WP7 doesn't support native code and opengl es, android uses java for ui and it's a PITA to write a fully native app. and java makes opengl/multimedia apps slow because of copying data to many buffers and back |
| 22:55.11 | Cotulla | and nobody needs them |
| 22:55.29 | Cotulla | but preparing own version for each platform u gotta use the best design for each |
| 22:55.48 | Cotulla | WP will open native code I hope |
| 22:56.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | what's the point in using different UI everywhere and rewriting everything a lot of times? there should be one standard, one UI, one OS. |
| 22:57.11 | Cotulla | marketing :) |
| 22:57.17 | sado1 | you can't write cross-platform mobile apps... now I see why it's so difficult to make a new, successful mobile platform |
| 22:57.20 | Cotulla | everyone want developers to make separate platforms |
| 22:57.31 | Cotulla | *applications |
| 22:57.55 | sado1 | unless you are MS with loads of cash to convince the devs to make apps for their OS, you're left without apps |
| 22:58.02 | jonpry | detule, did you push this 3.2 work? |
| 22:58.49 | detule | no, i can push a clean initial commit easily enough, i am hesitant to push the other crap |
| 22:59.35 | jonpry | maybe email the patchset |
| 23:02.51 | detule | emailed, i wouldn't look too hard at it |
| 23:03.05 | detule | should i start a clean 3.2 branch on linux-msm-rhod |
| 23:03.31 | jonpry | what is it precisely? just the first commit to 3.1? |
| 23:04.41 | detule | it is plus adding the missing headers, mach-msm and drivers/usb/gadget from 3.1, also this might be an issue one of the MACHINE parameters "boot_param" seems to be renamed to "atag_offset" in 3.2 (this at the end of board-htcrhodium.c) |
| 23:04.55 | detule | perhaps i got that wrong |
| 23:06.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | iirc, boot_param was not renamed. boot_param was an actual physical address of params, adn atag_offset is an offset from PHYS_OFFSET |
| 23:07.30 | jonpry | the stuff in mach-msm and usb is a little sketchy |
| 23:08.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | jonpry: do you have usb working with updated 3.1 usb stack? or you copied all usb stuff from 3.0? |
| 23:08.40 | detule | Alex[sp3dev], struct machine_desc doesn't have boot_params member any more in 3.2 |
| 23:08.41 | jonpry | i used 3.0 usb because at the time there was no android 3.1 stuff out |
| 23:09.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | detule: i know that, i just wanted to notice that atag_offset is not a direct replacement |
| 23:10.00 | detule | from what i saw in whatever .S file was relevant it looked like an in-situ replacement |
| 23:10.04 | jonpry | > -.boot_params= S5P_PA_SDRAM + 0x100, |
| 23:10.04 | jonpry | > +.atag_offset= 0x100, |
| 23:10.12 | jonpry | so something is different |
| 23:10.25 | jonpry | i am not sure our phys_offset is non zero |
| 23:10.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | it is 0x10000000, check memory.h |
| 23:11.34 | jonpry | fare enough |
| 23:11.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | also, a bro tip: disable all machines except rhodium. when there is only one machine in kernel, mtype is not used. so it should boot even with without atags |
| 23:12.56 | jonpry | i want to get rid of machine_fixup |
| 23:13.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | then fix haret |
| 23:13.15 | jonpry | do mem=78M@0x1000000 kind of stuff |
| 23:13.25 | Cotulla | noone wants to presave compatible |
| 23:13.27 | Cotulla | :P |
| 23:39.49 | detule | i think it needs this in kerne/setup.c |
| 23:39.52 | detule | - tags = (void *)(PAGE_OFFSET + mdesc->atag_offset); |
| 23:39.53 | detule | + tags = (void *)(mdesc->atag_offset); |
| 23:40.08 | detule | arm/kernel/setup.c |
| 23:43.43 | *** join/#htc-linux mes__ (~mes@S0106000ce55186df.cc.shawcable.net) |
| 23:45.03 | Cotulla | lol that's useless change |
| 23:45.32 | Cotulla | they want to broke bootloaders too |
| 23:46.36 | jonpry | detule, why not just change +.atag_offset = 0x10000100, to 0x100 ? |
| 23:47.22 | detule | that's probably a better idea, it doesn't boot either way |
| 23:52.28 | jonpry | i don't remember needing this stuff in debug.S or head.S |
| 23:52.43 | detule | it doesnt compile with errors |
| 23:52.50 | detule | i mean it doesn't compile without it |
| 23:53.02 | detule | they changed something about the arguments |
| 23:54.01 | jonpry | that might need to be understood better |
| 23:54.16 | jonpry | also this defconfig is unprocessed? |
| 23:54.40 | detule | it's the defconfig from the subsequent commit in 3.1 |
| 23:56.18 | jonpry | these changes to head.S could blow it up imho |
| 23:59.12 | jonpry | best to use stock 3.2 arch/arm/mach-msm/include/mach/debug-macro.S |