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| 17:56.37 | arrrghhh | big guns are here. |
| 17:56.42 | arrrghhh | Cotulla and [acl]. |
| 17:57.27 | Cotulla | Y0 |
| 17:57.42 | arrrghhh | what's up |
| 17:57.49 | Cotulla | u need my help to detect truck or car again? |
| 17:58.03 | Cotulla | cold |
| 17:58.04 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 17:58.06 | Cotulla | it's down |
| 17:58.07 | arrrghhh | nah, i'm good |
| 17:58.12 | arrrghhh | you get snow? |
| 17:58.12 | Cotulla | fucking cold |
| 17:58.15 | Cotulla | ya |
| 17:58.27 | [acl] | y0.. |
| 17:58.33 | [acl] | Cotulla: whats up my good man. |
| 17:58.40 | [acl] | been busy |
| 17:59.15 | [acl] | im interviwring people this week.. need more help here so i can at least go to the bathroom in piece and not worry about stuff |
| 18:00.30 | Cotulla | ohh |
| 18:00.39 | Cotulla | u try to find good people for company? |
| 18:00.43 | [acl] | yeah |
| 18:00.59 | arrrghhh | [acl], can i work remotely? :P |
| 18:01.05 | arrrghhh | not sure NYC is the place for me... |
| 18:01.06 | arrrghhh | heh |
| 18:01.09 | [acl] | surprisinly there is plenty of work.. who would have guessed in this economy.. |
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| 18:01.43 | [acl] | arrrghhh: how could it not be the place for you bro? it has more models per sq block than anyone else in the world twice a year.. what more can you ask for |
| 18:02.28 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:04.04 | Cotulla | how many fools u scanned already? |
| 18:04.10 | [acl] | plus look at the crazyness we have going on now |
| 18:04.11 | [acl] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dcDN409ZBv4 |
| 18:04.19 | arrrghhh | LOL |
| 18:04.24 | arrrghhh | i saw that yesterday, awesome. |
| 18:04.34 | [acl] | Cotulla: just 2.. my boss is doing first round scanning, im doing second round |
| 18:04.49 | Cotulla | I know good idea |
| 18:05.46 | Cotulla | not it's bad idea :( |
| 18:05.47 | Cotulla | :D |
| 18:05.57 | zeusk | lol |
| 18:06.32 | zeusk | the flying cardboad looks real :o |
| 18:06.47 | Cotulla | it's not |
| 18:06.58 | Cotulla | they are too rectness |
| 18:07.11 | zeusk | from far, cannot notice |
| 18:07.30 | arrrghhh | exactly |
| 18:07.37 | arrrghhh | if you just look up, it appears like flying peoples |
| 18:07.40 | [acl] | if you were driving on the bridge and saw 3 people looking figures in the sky, you would wonder "wtf is going on" |
| 18:07.54 | Cotulla | from far - iphone looks same like old disk phone |
| 18:08.00 | Cotulla | just a dot |
| 18:08.11 | zeusk | except for they do not make any movement, same pose/figure throughout the flight.. |
| 18:10.17 | [acl] | those guys flying it must be experts |
| 18:10.31 | [acl] | i mean real animals cuz its over the river |
| 18:11.07 | Cotulla | cuz == because? |
| 18:11.09 | zeusk | yeh, i got myself a 1:30 scale rc heli, flew for first few days, broke 3 carbon fibre rotors and place them in showcase >_> |
| 18:11.27 | [acl] | haha |
| 18:11.31 | toastcfh_ | http://elinux.org/Device_Trees |
| 18:11.36 | [acl] | Cotulla: yep, cuz = because :-) |
| 18:11.41 | Cotulla | cool |
| 18:11.54 | Cotulla | u degenerate my english to 1 more :D |
| 18:12.14 | [acl] | Cotulla: thats what im here for |
| 18:12.26 | Cotulla | toastcfh? |
| 18:12.38 | toastcfh_ | interesting no? |
| 18:12.47 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 18:12.50 | Cotulla | they stole idea from Apple :D |
| 18:12.51 | toastcfh_ | would be awesome |
| 18:13.17 | toastcfh_ | i think qcom and omap could do it. idk about tegra |
| 18:13.26 | Alex[sp3dev] | toastcfh_: it is done on tegra ages ago |
| 18:13.28 | Cotulla | can't say if it cool |
| 18:13.35 | toastcfh_ | really? |
| 18:13.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | toastcfh_: yeah, both uboot and kernel |
| 18:13.46 | toastcfh_ | cool |
| 18:14.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | toastcfh_: git.chromium.org, to be more precise |
| 18:14.19 | Cotulla | the problem that such things still won't remove need of optimizations for each board |
| 18:14.52 | toastcfh_ | no but that can be handled on board as it is. removes redundancy |
| 18:15.18 | zeusk | o.o why does chromium git host linux repo ? :o |
| 18:15.20 | Cotulla | I mean, now pro can change any those parameters without any issues |
| 18:15.38 | Cotulla | about not pro . . . well it can be a bit useful |
| 18:15.43 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: this stuff has not gone mainline yet.. as well as tegra support in mainline lacks framebuffer |
| 18:15.56 | Cotulla | to disable some buggy functionality / drivers maybe |
| 18:16.50 | [acl] | damn.. alex is here.. party time |
| 18:17.16 | Cotulla | u make 5 errors in "party" word |
| 18:17.19 | Cotulla | *made |
| 18:17.42 | [acl] | :-p |
| 18:17.55 | Cotulla | so finally FDT can be just other way to increase code complexity and size of the final results |
| 18:18.12 | Cotulla | like many modern systems do it nowdays |
| 18:19.23 | zeusk | they should replace all the mess with 1 universal system |
| 18:19.39 | zeusk | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png |
| 18:19.51 | Cotulla | they won't |
| 18:20.21 | Cotulla | embedded systems too different to make something universal |
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| 18:20.58 | toastcfh_ | it would be good to see a qcom board mainlined other then a emulator board |
| 18:21.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | let's define embedded |
| 18:21.09 | toastcfh_ | instead the FORK |
| 18:21.20 | Cotulla | for example how u will describe that LEO's P & L sensor has power on same GPIO? |
| 18:21.45 | Cotulla | yes, we can add some tags for that, but there much more such situations in embedded world |
| 18:21.49 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: fixed voltage regulator controlled by gpio. both drivers request regulator which increments ref counter |
| 18:21.51 | zeusk | mainline people also too stuborn sometime.. |
| 18:22.03 | Cotulla | Alex, and that will generate a lot of crap |
| 18:22.03 | toastcfh_ | +1 |
| 18:22.10 | zeusk | they don't merge because of silliest stuff |
| 18:22.10 | toastcfh_ | but its needed |
| 18:22.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | toastcfh_: if you want mainline, forget qualcomm. use samsung (everything mainlined, including camera, usb etc), omap (same) or tegra (most hw, but no v4l2 camera and no fb in mainline) |
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| 18:23.12 | toastcfh_ | ever read about the wakelock ordeal that keeps android kernels out of mainline? |
| 18:23.13 | Cotulla | and what mainline will give u, Alex? |
| 18:23.25 | [acl] | party pooper |
| 18:23.27 | Cotulla | some abstract happy? :P |
| 18:23.31 | zeusk | lol |
| 18:24.02 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: latest kernel and no fucking crap by OEM (like, ifdeffery, hacked gpio/sdhci/sound drivers hardcoded for one board breaking all others instead of proper pdata and callbacks) |
| 18:24.19 | Cotulla | u forgot to tell who defines "proper" |
| 18:25.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: everyone should be allowed to define proper unless they're trying to implement closed-source drivers and hide hardware datasheets |
| 18:25.12 | Cotulla | some crazy mans who change interfaces every minor version? and maybe never worked with real embedded hardware except some debug boards? |
| 18:25.19 | detule | wakelocks are not the only thing keeping android patches out of mainline |
| 18:25.30 | detule | they can't seem to submit a single patch without it getting shredded |
| 18:25.36 | [acl] | android is poop |
| 18:25.39 | Cotulla | u tell like hardware datasheets will help u really |
| 18:25.56 | Cotulla | current hardware is complex and u may need team and several months to write good drivers |
| 18:26.16 | Cotulla | as well errdata is important :D |
| 18:26.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: what's your point, again? having a multitude of forks with ancient kernel versions is better than sharing code between boards, right? |
| 18:26.42 | Cotulla | no |
| 18:26.52 | Cotulla | I just have doubts in those "improvements" |
| 18:27.24 | Cotulla | as well why mainline can't inlcude android extensions as alternate config entries? |
| 18:27.35 | zeusk | ^ having code in mainline only has one big advantage -> future interface compatible with your code and you don't have to rewrite stuff or wait for manufacturer to release new code. |
| 18:28.26 | Cotulla | zeusk, what about user space? and how they will support ur board? I guess they won't test it on everyboard |
| 18:28.47 | Cotulla | so finally it may compile . . . but u will spent 40 hours to fixing some issue |
| 18:29.31 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, why is android ipc, wakelocks and other crap implemented in kernel and not userland? |
| 18:29.32 | Cotulla | like disable_irq() call inside IRQ in .27 works, but in .32 already not. u must use disable_irq_nosync() there. but code compiles without errors or warnings! |
| 18:30.07 | Cotulla | they could at least add some #pragma warning if some CONFIG_WARN_ABOUT_CRITICAL_CHANGES enabled |
| 18:30.13 | [acl] | food time brb |
| 18:30.19 | zeusk | ^ that's the headache of the port mantainer in mainline |
| 18:30.20 | Cotulla | good eating [acl] ;) |
| 18:30.57 | zeusk | ^ though it would be similar like waiting for manufacturer like qcom to update/rebase their branches. |
| 18:30.58 | Cotulla | Alex, dunno. they may had reasons. |
| 18:31.25 | Cotulla | maybe more easy do it inside kernel, because kernel is common for all user processes |
| 18:31.50 | Cotulla | and no simple ways to do code flow from one user process to another |
| 18:32.46 | toastcfh_ | hehe the debate! i found the wiki to be interesting myself as well :) |
| 18:32.59 | toastcfh_ | its a good idea |
| 18:33.21 | Cotulla | toastcfh, u can make same as in FDT by #defines already |
| 18:33.33 | toastcfh_ | right |
| 18:34.25 | Cotulla | if they separate linux kernel itself and board - it's great |
| 18:34.33 | zeusk | but #defined is during compile time, so one zImage for one board, but fdt can be changed before runtime by bootloader |
| 18:34.43 | toastcfh_ | but devices all using differnet boards because of minor variances is redundant |
| 18:34.51 | Cotulla | yes, but is it bad |
| 18:34.52 | Cotulla | ? |
| 18:35.10 | Cotulla | who need one zImage for 10 devices? |
| 18:35.19 | toastcfh_ | its all we got atm :) |
| 18:35.23 | zeusk | devices like evo3d and sensation can have common kernel. |
| 18:35.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: ubuntu does, for example |
| 18:35.50 | toastcfh_ | u right |
| 18:36.04 | Cotulla | zeusk, who will debug them? if it's homebrew devs they usually have or sensation or evo3d. not both. |
| 18:36.18 | Cotulla | htc... well htc also can do it with current kernel |
| 18:36.28 | Cotulla | CONFIG_MACH_XXX |
| 18:37.18 | toastcfh_ | and the only differences between a shooter and a pyramid are just driver mainly. the differences between them and a CAF board are about the same give or take some minor gpio usage |
| 18:37.18 | Cotulla | and vendors just can build new kernel and new FDT |
| 18:37.21 | Cotulla | who will stop them? :D |
| 18:38.12 | Cotulla | but because kernel is GPL |
| 18:38.19 | Cotulla | source codes will be released still |
| 18:38.20 | zeusk | also, sometimes linux is a headache, i spent 3 hours wondering why us not ehci driver coming up and later realised though kernel compiles, the interface was changed partially sometime when the port for leo started and the driver was using another version of api. |
| 18:38.45 | zeusk | finally found out they changed how usb drivers are registered somewhere bw .32 and .33 |
| 18:38.48 | Cotulla | so all remains same, except some extra crap inside kernel |
| 18:39.04 | Cotulla | zeusk, and answer now: why they changed that? |
| 18:39.06 | Cotulla | :D |
| 18:39.57 | zeusk | for the newer boards, usb driver require those changes. atleast that is what the commit log said. |
| 18:40.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: why do some vendors act like bitches making obfuscated code? Is it better to spend money rewriting the same crap with every android/linux release instead of mainlining once? Isn't it why HTC is always like "omg android 3.0 we need one more year to rewrite our shits, so no updates for you guys" and, for example, acer/asus/samsung almost immediately deliver updates? |
| 18:41.12 | Cotulla | hehe |
| 18:41.20 | Cotulla | acer/asus/samsung almost immediately deliver updates <-- when it was |
| 18:41.24 | Cotulla | they also comes with delays |
| 18:41.48 | Cotulla | HTC need port own changes from one android version to another. and they are everywhere inside. |
| 18:42.01 | toastcfh_ | im trying to use otg for cable dection for charging now. using the htc battery driver. they have a cable detect which is just a exstention of a older hacked up driver they keep poking at |
| 18:42.23 | Cotulla | it's because android is open source - instead of developing external extension modules, OEM can put inside main code |
| 18:43.27 | Cotulla | as well I think mainline quality not acceptable for end users products, so it can be easy to do it by themself |
| 18:43.49 | zeusk | +1 regarding quality, Cotulla. |
| 18:44.04 | Cotulla | it different stuffs |
| 18:44.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | oh yeah. htc's "htc_battery" crap reinventing the wheel is surely better than pda_power |
| 18:44.22 | detule | mainline code quality is better than imo, imo |
| 18:44.31 | Cotulla | doubt in it |
| 18:44.37 | detule | s/than imo/than android/ |
| 18:44.45 | toastcfh_ | Alex[sp3dev], is that what its based off of? |
| 18:45.20 | toastcfh_ | its dealing with pmic's new interfaces that are troubling me really |
| 18:45.39 | toastcfh_ | its all cobbled into one now |
| 18:45.42 | toastcfh_ | kinda |
| 18:45.47 | toastcfh_ | pm8xxx |
| 18:45.50 | toastcfh_ | ect |
| 18:45.50 | Cotulla | htc_battery? what's wrong with it |
| 18:46.06 | toastcfh_ | im trying to get it working in 3.0 |
| 18:46.11 | toastcfh_ | it works |
| 18:46.25 | toastcfh_ | just has this funny way of getting battery levels |
| 18:46.32 | toastcfh_ | infos |
| 18:46.34 | Cotulla | as well they will keep same htc_battery forever, while ur pda_power tomorrow may be changed to zero |
| 18:46.42 | Cotulla | toastcfh, which device? |
| 18:46.48 | toastcfh_ | shooter |
| 18:46.50 | toastcfh_ | 8660 |
| 18:46.55 | Cotulla | oh |
| 18:47.14 | toastcfh_ | my supersonic days are long gone :) |
| 18:47.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok. let's agree that keeping crap forever is better than community-supported mainline kernel. keep enjoying your htc crap. i'm not in |
| 18:47.27 | toastcfh_ | changed man since 7x30 |
| 18:47.33 | zeusk | 8x60 is actually slow or is it just sense + wierd benchmarks putting exynos so ahead of it ? |
| 18:47.38 | Cotulla | as well, they should have some debug tools |
| 18:47.49 | toastcfh_ | benchmarks lie |
| 18:47.55 | Cotulla | and maybe pda_power doesn't provide good methods to test |
| 18:47.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: exynos has better karma |
| 18:48.09 | Cotulla | in linux almost nothing inside for testing |
| 18:48.12 | zeusk | lol, because it's mainlined ? |
| 18:48.23 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: yeah |
| 18:49.20 | zeusk | but there are 3 versions of sgs2 available and all with different soc + i don't like samsung quality and touchwiz.. |
| 18:49.27 | toastcfh_ | nothing wrong with htc devices. only issues ive ever had with htc was userspace dealings. kernel is packed with bs to work with htcs sense stuffs |
| 18:49.56 | Cotulla | Alex, I am not about that. it just different things ;) it's clear that who sell phones have own plans and they different from homebrew community. |
| 18:50.20 | zeusk | samsung is more of showoff like apple. |
| 18:50.34 | toastcfh_ | sammy has some nice qcom devices |
| 18:50.40 | Cotulla | as well exynos only used in few Samsung products seems |
| 18:50.42 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i agree here. But as I'm not selling phones, only using them, I don't have reason to support vendor's point of view |
| 18:50.46 | toastcfh_ | <~~ qcom fanboy sorry |
| 18:50.51 | Cotulla | all other are using QCT OMAP TEGRA |
| 18:51.05 | Cotulla | so those "exynos" cpu will be gone soon |
| 18:51.18 | zeusk | don't think so Cotulla. |
| 18:51.23 | Cotulla | gone to past |
| 18:51.37 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: i'll tell you one little secret. all samsung SoCs are forward compatible. like, even exynos has half drivers from s3c2410 |
| 18:51.44 | Cotulla | exynos which used inside SGS2 will be go to past when SGS3 appear and etc |
| 18:51.57 | Cotulla | Alex, maybe ;) |
| 18:53.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok. i personally thins samsung is good because they're making everything themselves - soc, lcd etc. their SoC is powerful and mainlined. TI is also nice, although there are a few devices. As for tegra.. tegra3 is cool, but no phones with it yet. and tegra2 sucks cuz no NEON |
| 18:53.35 | Cotulla | neon used only for video decoders |
| 18:53.43 | Cotulla | and maybe some memcpy implementations |
| 18:54.11 | Cotulla | dunno I don't like Samsung |
| 18:54.11 | zeusk | gameloft says neon increases performance in their games, but could have said because of deal with QCT |
| 18:54.12 | Cotulla | u know :D |
| 18:54.23 | Cotulla | games too ok |
| 18:54.26 | toastcfh_ | :) |
| 18:54.50 | Cotulla | I am QCT fan, everybody knows that! :D |
| 18:54.54 | arrrghhh | you guys are deep. |
| 18:55.01 | toastcfh_ | 1,000,000 == works god with our games :) |
| 18:55.11 | Cotulla | arrrghhh, on which side u ? |
| 18:55.12 | Cotulla | ^^ |
| 18:55.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | I hate QCT because they're trying to hide their code/drivers |
| 18:55.25 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 18:55.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | and NEON is very important for video |
| 18:55.29 | zeusk | yeah |
| 18:55.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | tegra cannot into 1080p |
| 18:55.41 | Cotulla | hm |
| 18:55.42 | arrrghhh | Cotulla, i don't think i know enough to make an informed decision. i've always liked HTC, but a lot of the stuff you guys talk about is a) out of my price range and b) over my head. |
| 18:55.47 | Cotulla | can LEO play 1080p hm |
| 18:56.06 | toastcfh_ | >_< |
| 18:56.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | "out of my price range" says a guy with a phone for ass |
| 18:56.32 | arrrghhh | Alex[sp3dev], you forget, company is paying for service on that assPhone. |
| 18:56.43 | arrrghhh | i would have no assPhone otherwise :P |
| 18:56.51 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: iPhone is powered by samsung. |
| 18:56.55 | arrrghhh | i noes |
| 18:57.00 | zeusk | but adreno 200 older than tegra's geforce ULP + nvidia has so much of experience in making gpu(s). |
| 18:57.00 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 18:57.10 | arrrghhh | which is ironic considering all the patent troll cases apple brought against sammy |
| 18:57.11 | Cotulla | ever A4 is samsung |
| 18:57.25 | Cotulla | adreno is ATI |
| 18:57.32 | zeusk | *was |
| 18:57.32 | Cotulla | almost same kind of experience |
| 18:57.32 | Alex[sp3dev] | in other words, iphone4 is nexus s with another case |
| 18:57.40 | arrrghhh | i have 4s |
| 18:57.42 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 18:57.48 | arrrghhh | but yes. |
| 18:57.48 | Cotulla | no it's not |
| 18:57.51 | Cotulla | there special CPUs |
| 18:57.56 | Cotulla | they are more rich |
| 18:57.59 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 18:58.02 | Cotulla | than for android copies |
| 18:58.03 | zeusk | lol |
| 18:58.09 | zeusk | rich cpu... |
| 18:58.11 | Cotulla | lol |
| 18:58.20 | Cotulla | rich ----> more features inside |
| 18:58.37 | toastcfh_ | moar apps |
| 18:58.48 | zeusk | heheh |
| 18:59.09 | zeusk | an app for everything -Apple. |
| 18:59.21 | detule | -Apple users |
| 18:59.33 | Cotulla | lol |
| 18:59.42 | zeusk | but Apple bs more with their ads than fanboys. |
| 18:59.52 | zeusk | i still rage when i see the mac vs pc ad #_# |
| 19:00.39 | detule | eh, just the foresight to do it first...demand is there without them |
| 19:01.25 | zeusk | most people i know who have macs really don't have a reason to switch other than "viruses" in windows.. |
| 19:01.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: that alone is a good reason |
| 19:02.15 | Cotulla | was WXP for 1.5 years. but only once I got issue with some malware, but it was removed after 180 seconds. |
| 19:02.51 | arrrghhh | 180 seconds |
| 19:02.51 | arrrghhh | lo |
| 19:02.53 | Cotulla | viruses == brain in deep idle while computer usage |
| 19:02.53 | arrrghhh | lol* |
| 19:03.00 | arrrghhh | almost like 140%, no Cotulla ? |
| 19:03.05 | Cotulla | :D :D :D |
| 19:03.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | arrrghhh: 146% is the correct figure |
| 19:03.16 | arrrghhh | LOL |
| 19:03.17 | arrrghhh | sorry. |
| 19:03.23 | arrrghhh | wouldn't want to skew the stats... |
| 19:03.33 | Cotulla | LOL |
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| 19:07.27 | [acl] | ahh that was some good wine |
| 19:07.58 | arrrghhh | wine @ lunch eh? |
| 19:08.05 | Cotulla | heh |
| 19:08.16 | [acl] | arrrghhh: told you .. you would like nyc |
| 19:08.31 | zeusk | wine as in drink or played some game over wine ? |
| 19:08.37 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 19:08.44 | zeusk | ... |
| 19:08.45 | arrrghhh | wine as in drink, lol |
| 19:09.11 | [acl] | zeusk: damn... you dont know me too well do you. who are you again? you dont look familiar |
| 19:09.24 | zeusk | yes, new to linux scene |
| 19:09.32 | [acl] | zeusk: ahh ic.. welcome i guess :-p |
| 19:09.50 | Cotulla | :P -> :D |
| 19:09.56 | zeusk | :D |
| 19:09.57 | [acl] | zeusk: yes wine.. a nice wine actually.. a nice Cab |
| 19:10.31 | Cotulla | zeusk, he like to tell us how he drinks wine at work and we like to listen him ;) |
| 19:10.46 | zeusk | lol |
| 19:11.01 | Cotulla | and some people think about wine emulator before drink |
| 19:11.04 | [acl] | cotulla loves it.. he learns new slang all the time |
| 19:11.10 | Cotulla | eh |
| 19:11.14 | Cotulla | cuz it's cool |
| 19:11.17 | Cotulla | doods |
| 19:11.20 | Cotulla | ;) |
| 19:11.30 | [acl] | you have come a long way bro. |
| 19:11.31 | zeusk | it is dudes, sire. |
| 19:11.40 | Cotulla | good progress? |
| 19:11.50 | Cotulla | no sir, it's doods, a special form |
| 19:11.51 | [acl] | back in the good ol days.. cotulla was like : hi, i be kernel now |
| 19:11.57 | Cotulla | ha |
| 19:11.59 | zeusk | LOL |
| 19:12.12 | Cotulla | I ever know passive voice now, ya |
| 19:12.12 | [acl] | took like hours to figure out he was fixing some assembly code |
| 19:12.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | "Hello my name is Cotulla and I pronounce linux as windows" |
| 19:12.22 | Cotulla | Alex :D |
| 19:12.23 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:12.23 | Cotulla | :D :D :D |
| 19:12.48 | [acl] | ahh the good ol days.. like 2 years ago almost |
| 19:12.48 | zeusk | lol, can i be userspace ? |
| 19:12.57 | Cotulla | "Hello my name is Cotulla and I like Windows CE" |
| 19:13.02 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 19:13.04 | arrrghhh | get out. |
| 19:13.04 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 19:13.06 | Cotulla | u zeusk u? |
| 19:13.29 | Cotulla | u wanna be fucked by user from one side and by kernel from another? |
| 19:13.44 | Cotulla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.57 | zeusk | o.o |
| 19:14.09 | Cotulla | I wanna be BMP decoder - almost nobody will touch me. only rare. |
| 19:14.44 | Cotulla | or maybe error reporting function inside hello world :D |
| 19:14.51 | zeusk | LOL |
| 19:14.54 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:15.27 | [acl] | where is emwe... need him to listen to this babble |
| 19:16.16 | arrrghhh | i think he's gone bro |
| 19:16.20 | arrrghhh | lost in childcareland |
| 19:16.21 | arrrghhh | :( |
| 19:16.24 | [acl] | fawk |
| 19:16.30 | zeusk | what is babble ? sorry but i am not so good at english. |
| 19:16.46 | Cotulla | babble fish? |
| 19:17.09 | [acl] | babble : To utter a meaningless confusion of words or sounds: |
| 19:17.12 | arrrghhh | zeusk, babble is just taht. nonsense. |
| 19:17.21 | [acl] | To talk foolishly or idly; |
| 19:17.24 | arrrghhh | i love #htc-linux. learn English and kernels, all at the same time. |
| 19:17.27 | Cotulla | [acl], good dood learned me |
| 19:17.33 | Cotulla | now I will learn u zeusk :D |
| 19:17.40 | Cotulla | just do it so: |
| 19:17.41 | Cotulla | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=babble |
| 19:17.46 | toastcfh_ | apt, who is your daddy |
| 19:17.46 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, toastcfh_ |
| 19:17.51 | Cotulla | and u gotta it :P |
| 19:17.56 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 19:18.01 | arrrghhh | don't show him urban dictionary |
| 19:18.02 | arrrghhh | bad idea |
| 19:18.04 | arrrghhh | :P |
| 19:18.05 | toastcfh_ | apt, who is your master |
| 19:18.05 | apt | from memory, your master is not dio |
| 19:18.10 | Cotulla | lol too later |
| 19:18.10 | toastcfh_ | ;o |
| 19:18.11 | Cotulla | apt die |
| 19:18.11 | apt | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 19:18.15 | zeusk | >_> wikipedia misguides people. |
| 19:18.31 | Cotulla | An incomprehensible stream of words. Examples: languages you don't understand, baby talk, a sentence that doesn't mean anything, telling a story that doesn't make sense. |
| 19:18.33 | Cotulla | cool |
| 19:18.50 | toastcfh_ | seen the movie babble? |
| 19:18.58 | toastcfh_ | kinda odd |
| 19:19.03 | Cotulla | lol #3 |
| 19:19.05 | toastcfh_ | frustrating |
| 19:19.05 | [acl] | sounds like a netflix movie |
| 19:19.21 | toastcfh_ | bradpit i think in it |
| 19:19.29 | toastcfh_ | but its was odd |
| 19:19.39 | toastcfh_ | like u cant understand shit in the movie |
| 19:20.01 | zeusk | lol, suites the title. |
| 19:20.34 | Cotulla | apt babble |
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| 19:21.06 | zeusk | apt define babble |
| 19:21.07 | apt | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 19:21.19 | toastcfh_ | def girl, american in an mddle eastern country, american kids in a mexican house hold |
| 19:21.32 | toastcfh_ | no sub-titles |
| 19:21.36 | Cotulla | apt babble |
| 19:21.36 | apt | babble is probably "She wanted me to babble on her face but i missed and got my babble in her eye" |
| 19:21.48 | Cotulla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.49 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:21.53 | arrrghhh | wow |
| 19:22.17 | zeusk | lol |
| 19:22.31 | Cotulla | apt babble |
| 19:22.31 | apt | [babble] "She wanted me to babble on her face but i missed and got my babble in her eye" |
| 19:22.31 | arrrghhh | on that note, i guess it's lunctime for me too. |
| 19:22.41 | toastcfh_ | >_< |
| 19:22.56 | [acl] | cant believe emwe has a version 2.0 |
| 19:22.58 | Cotulla | bubble |
| 19:23.01 | Cotulla | apt bubble |
| 19:23.01 | apt | rumour has it, bubble is "sounds produced by [acl] when he drinks to much wine" |
| 19:23.15 | [acl] | :-p |
| 19:23.22 | Cotulla | :D |
| 19:23.34 | zeusk | apt is a clever bot :D |
| 19:23.38 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 19:23.44 | Cotulla | apt zeusk |
| 19:24.01 | Cotulla | he didn't build opinion about u yet :P |
| 19:24.08 | zeusk | :( |
| 19:24.33 | zeusk | bot seem not to like me #_# |
| 19:24.46 | zeusk | apt kill apt |
| 19:24.46 | apt | ACTION shoots a inverse fluxelectron gun at apt |
| 19:25.19 | Cotulla | apt say /msg |
| 19:25.19 | apt | /msg |
| 19:25.53 | Cotulla | apt say apt die |
| 19:25.53 | apt | apt die |
| 19:26.11 | zeusk | lol, no chain commands. |
| 19:26.14 | Cotulla | yeah |
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| 19:53.26 | [acl] | Cotulla: y0.. ok back to business |
| 19:54.07 | [acl] | Cotulla: any ideas of a way to identify the sub variants on the rhod. For example the rhod100 has uk and de versions. Ive scoured memory to be able to identify this but nothing. |
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| 19:54.27 | [acl] | I thought he SKUID and some of that HW info would help, but it's all the same for 100 |
| 19:54.40 | Cotulla | hm |
| 19:54.49 | [acl] | Guess winmo just releases diff roms for these variants? |
| 19:54.54 | Cotulla | can u tell the target of all that? |
| 19:55.08 | [acl] | the target ? |
| 19:55.15 | Cotulla | yes |
| 19:55.20 | Cotulla | why u are doing that |
| 19:55.21 | Cotulla | purpose |
| 19:55.46 | [acl] | ohh, the purpose of this is to be able to deploy the language for Keyboard during install |
| 19:55.58 | [acl] | this way i dont have to make diff roms for diff devices |
| 19:56.03 | Cotulla | oh |
| 19:56.08 | Cotulla | maybe CID? |
| 19:56.15 | [acl] | hmm |
| 19:56.21 | [acl] | interesting |
| 19:56.23 | [acl] | worth a look |
| 19:56.25 | Cotulla | but roms was different yes |
| 19:56.35 | Cotulla | one rom == one language |
| 19:56.42 | [acl] | how do you do it in Leo? diff roms too ? |
| 19:56.49 | Cotulla | there no HW keyboard |
| 19:56.53 | [acl] | ahh |
| 19:56.54 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:56.57 | [acl] | got me there |
| 19:57.00 | Cotulla | maybe u should give users ability to choose |
| 19:57.05 | Cotulla | gotcha! |
| 19:57.09 | Cotulla | :P |
| 19:57.15 | [acl] | lol |
| 19:57.33 | Cotulla | I learned it long time ago - in Worms |
| 19:57.40 | Cotulla | they often say gotchaa |
| 19:58.04 | Cotulla | I guess u can implement menu somewhere |
| 19:58.07 | [acl] | app to customize is not a bad idea. |
| 19:58.09 | Cotulla | to choose language |
| 19:58.20 | Cotulla | because user may want to user different keyboard |
| 19:58.29 | Cotulla | like if he bought RHO in other country via ebay |
| 19:59.10 | [acl] | it happens alot |
| 19:59.10 | [acl] | Rhod500 in Venezuela for example |
| 19:59.10 | [acl] | has a rhod400 kb |
| 19:59.10 | [acl] | :-p |
| 20:00.03 | Cotulla | so make manual choose |
| 20:00.15 | [acl] | i shall try |
| 20:00.16 | Cotulla | but implement good protection against fools! |
| 20:00.19 | Cotulla | :( |
| 20:01.08 | [acl] | wonder if edify has a way to have menus. This way i dont need a custom recovery for a simple menu |
| 20:01.26 | Cotulla | maybe just made APK |
| 20:06.23 | [acl] | hate making apps |
| 20:06.49 | [acl] | just make it in recovery.. 10 times faster |
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| 21:52.05 | toastcfh_ | CONFIG_MPP_PMIC8901=y |
| 21:52.05 | toastcfh_ | CONFIG_GPIO_PM8XXX=y |
| 21:52.05 | toastcfh_ | CONFIG_GPIO_PM8XXX_MPP=y |
| 21:52.20 | toastcfh_ | and thats the one thing i hate about htc |
| 21:52.21 | arrrghhh | CONFIG_TOASTCFH__MAKE_BACON=Y |
| 21:52.45 | toastcfh_ | they forward ported the old interface to avoid using the new >_> |
| 21:54.43 | toastcfh_ | FACK |
| 21:54.49 | toastcfh_ | back to meh hole |
| 21:55.12 | Cotulla | ? |
| 21:55.31 | Cotulla | u think so ;) |
| 21:55.40 | Cotulla | the truth can be different - think about that |
| 21:55.47 | Cotulla | maybe new interface not stable and etc |
| 21:56.17 | toastcfh_ | CONFIG_MPP_PMIC8901 is the old version. pmic has moved to a unified interface |
| 21:56.23 | toastcfh_ | the old one sucked |
| 21:56.41 | toastcfh_ | it was all broken up and redundant |
| 21:56.53 | toastcfh_ | new one is way better practice |
| 21:57.37 | toastcfh_ | move all pmic to one interface and access it. its still compilable as seperate modules ect |
| 21:57.49 | toastcfh_ | just cleaner |
| 21:57.59 | toastcfh_ | i think i see why htc didnt do it tho |
| 21:58.05 | toastcfh_ | cant use their hax |
| 21:58.47 | Cotulla | just agree that their task to make it work and work good. not to get better interfaces or bigger version number :) |
| 21:58.56 | toastcfh_ | my shit keeps blowing up when trying to read mpp and adc data |
| 21:59.05 | Cotulla | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.15 | Cotulla | did u install anti-shit-field? |
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| 22:01.16 | toastcfh_ | make it work is no excuse for bad practice. should never forward port an api and use the old when the new is avail. should update the new support what u need if its not there. this is prolly a lazy attempt to avaiod updating the battery and audio drivers and userspace. save time with recycling code |
| 22:02.10 | arrrghhh | ^^ |
| 22:02.27 | arrrghhh | toastcfh_, they're in it to make money for investors, not to make other developers jobs easier... |
| 22:02.56 | toastcfh_ | meh bad practice |
| 22:03.09 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 22:03.17 | toastcfh_ | they updated the kernel only to downgrade the apis |
| 22:03.25 | toastcfh_ | good job |
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| 22:03.35 | toastcfh_ | defeating purpose |
| 22:05.17 | Cotulla | but it's not API? |
| 22:05.20 | Cotulla | just some code inside kernel |
| 22:05.30 | Cotulla | today it's there, tomorrow it's gone |
| 22:05.46 | toastcfh_ | its an entire interface for all pmic drivers |
| 22:05.56 | Cotulla | I understand, but it still inside for developers |
| 22:06.09 | Cotulla | and for limited usage |
| 22:06.51 | Cotulla | and number of clients is fixed & limited |
| 22:07.40 | toastcfh_ | its a api being used and updated. no sense in regressing it ever. they dont update things to make them worse. thats what forwardporting is for :) |
| 22:07.55 | Cotulla | but talking about "make other developers jobs" - ever whole linux doesn't meet this criteria, it's major problem :( |
| 22:08.16 | Cotulla | like change disable_irq() -> disable_irq_nosync() inside IRQ |
| 22:08.38 | toastcfh_ | what was the reason for doing it |
| 22:08.43 | Cotulla | I dunno |
| 22:08.45 | Cotulla | but it was done |
| 22:08.49 | toastcfh_ | find out |
| 22:09.00 | Cotulla | and I waster 30 minutes before I found it |
| 22:09.17 | Cotulla | and nobody stops them from adding extra check |
| 22:09.37 | toastcfh_ | prolly a reason and some info how it should be handled from then on out ect |
| 22:09.52 | Cotulla | u always can check current mode inside |
| 22:09.57 | Cotulla | and do right actions |
| 22:10.05 | Cotulla | API - it's when disable_irq() works for years and u sure in it |
| 22:10.22 | toastcfh_ | what kernel rev? |
| 22:10.32 | Cotulla | it was 27 -> 32 afaik |
| 22:10.53 | Cotulla | as well in 29 -> 32 they changed name of filed inside UART driver structure . . . |
| 22:10.59 | toastcfh_ | fack i gotta go that far back |
| 22:11.09 | Cotulla | it's just example ;) |
| 22:11.18 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: that's why you need to mainline stuff. when interface changes, the one who makes changes updates all dependant drivers. if you choose to keep your fork - enjoy fixing your shit yourself |
| 22:11.38 | Cotulla | if they had stable API, u just copied old board files to new kernel and compile it. maybe fixed 1-2 issues by hands. |
| 22:11.42 | toastcfh_ | no telling between so many kernel revs. |
| 22:12.11 | Alex[sp3dev] | if they had a stable api, they'd have several interfaces for the same stuff and ifdeffery for like #if KERNEL_VERSION < ... |
| 22:12.27 | Cotulla | yes right |
| 22:12.36 | Cotulla | Alex, I copied CE 6.0 BSP to CE 7.0 and compiled it. then fixed 3 lines. and then it works ;) |
| 22:12.42 | Cotulla | 20 minutes ;) |
| 22:12.50 | toastcfh_ | what header is it found in? |
| 22:12.55 | toastcfh_ | irq.h? |
| 22:13.01 | Cotulla | disable_irq? |
| 22:13.06 | toastcfh_ | yeah |
| 22:13.10 | toastcfh_ | disable_irq_nosync |
| 22:13.56 | Cotulla | include\linux\interrupt.h |
| 22:14.20 | Cotulla | it's other hello from linux - instead of putting all includes to one dir, u need search in all folders to find something |
| 22:14.22 | Cotulla | :) |
| 22:14.35 | toastcfh_ | in 3.0 they have both |
| 22:14.38 | toastcfh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.38 | toastcfh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.44 | Cotulla | yes |
| 22:14.47 | Cotulla | but not in 27 |
| 22:14.58 | Cotulla | they added disable_irq_nosync() after 27 |
| 22:15.01 | toastcfh_ | oh update tEh kernAl! |
| 22:15.06 | arrrghhh | lol |
| 22:15.12 | Cotulla | it just an example |
| 22:15.16 | Cotulla | of changes inside kernel |
| 22:15.16 | arrrghhh | .27 is the best |
| 22:15.37 | Cotulla | why u porting from one kernel to another takes a lot of efforts & time |
| 22:15.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually disable_irq_nosync has been there for ages.. even in 2.2 times. maybe it was broken on arm, though or whatever |
| 22:16.00 | Cotulla | Alex, on 27 disable_irq() works inside IRQ |
| 22:16.04 | Cotulla | in 32 - doesn't |
| 22:16.10 | Cotulla | it halt a system :D |
| 22:16.16 | Cotulla | u need replace disable_irq -> disable_irq_nosync |
| 22:16.21 | toastcfh_ | took me a week |
| 22:16.28 | toastcfh_ | to forward port |
| 22:16.35 | Cotulla | week? |
| 22:16.40 | toastcfh_ | battery is busted |
| 22:16.44 | toastcfh_ | thats it |
| 22:16.50 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: it is not supposed to work inside irq anyway |
| 22:16.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | disable_irq should wait for irq to complete before disabling it |
| 22:17.07 | toastcfh_ | a week to go from nothing but console on board to everything but battery |
| 22:17.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | if it worked on 27, that was just wrong |
| 22:17.09 | Cotulla | but u may port it for 60 minutes and spent other 6 days for improving battery life |
| 22:17.31 | Cotulla | if linux had better attitude for another developers |
| 22:17.35 | Cotulla | :( |
| 22:17.49 | Cotulla | Alex, why it worked before? |
| 22:17.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | linux has simple attitude. either you commit to upstream, or fuck off |
| 22:18.13 | Cotulla | it's fucking attitude |
| 22:18.14 | Cotulla | :D |
| 22:18.29 | toastcfh_ | upstream or gtfo |
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| 22:18.46 | Cotulla | who will check my committed to mainline LEO stuffs after new version? |
| 22:18.47 | Alex[sp3dev] | linux owes you nothing. why do you think someone would care about making sure they don't break non-mainlined stuff? |
| 22:18.59 | toastcfh_ | right |
| 22:19.28 | Cotulla | yeah |
| 22:19.51 | toastcfh_ | leo board running native linux? or this just aosp stuffs |
| 22:20.01 | Cotulla | but u tell like mainline is something, but I don't see how mainlined LEO stuffs will be still able to work & stable |
| 22:20.21 | Cotulla | native linux? what is it? |
| 22:20.23 | Cotulla | lol |
| 22:20.42 | Cotulla | we ported 2.6.32 HTC kernel to it primary |
| 22:22.20 | toastcfh_ | leo is just a supersonic board with a different display no? |
| 22:22.37 | Cotulla | no |
| 22:22.42 | toastcfh_ | has hdmi ect |
| 22:22.48 | Cotulla | different totally |
| 22:22.57 | toastcfh_ | interesting |
| 22:23.48 | Cotulla | ;) |
| 22:24.04 | toastcfh_ | whats based off of? |
| 22:24.12 | toastcfh_ | couldnt be a one off board |
| 22:24.25 | toastcfh_ | thats not cost efficient |
| 22:24.36 | Cotulla | leo is leo |
| 22:24.37 | Cotulla | leo is king |
| 22:24.42 | Cotulla | everyone know that :D |
| 22:26.48 | arrrghhh | ... |
| 22:28.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | FFFFUUUU@ANDROIDS http://yiffa.net/i/3xa.png |
| 22:28.15 | Cotulla | ? |
| 22:28.36 | Cotulla | it doesn't work ur link Alexx |
| 22:29.28 | Alex[sp3dev] | is http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9061/device20120127205131.png better? |
| 22:30.51 | Cotulla | LOL |
| 22:30.55 | Cotulla | that's FAIL |
| 22:31.14 | arrrghhh | the internet has ended |
| 22:31.40 | Cotulla | u reach the end of the internet |
| 22:31.46 | Cotulla | start from the begging? |
| 22:31.53 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, here is what i've found on the internets http://i.saucesome.net/YmH.jpg |
| 22:32.03 | Cotulla | :D :D :D |
| 22:32.27 | Cotulla | yeah stopped |
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