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| 01:35.49 | d3tul3 | it's almost hard to believe that data would make such a huge difference in battery life |
| 01:36.17 | d3tul3 | perhaps wistilt2 did some magic with the gsm panel code |
| 01:39.43 | rpierce99 | well the 300 was his native device, the 400 was always guess-and-check work |
| 01:48.21 | raymonddull | thats how it is on native devices too, data off= amazing battery life |
| 01:49.05 | raymonddull | thats how windows mobile is so much better than android at battery life, the radio is always sleeping till you use data on winmo, in android, the connection is always active unless you kill it |
| 01:50.31 | d3tul3 | you are saying in winmo the remote side can't initiate data transfer? |
| 01:50.35 | d3tul3 | like push e-mail |
| 01:50.35 | d3tul3 | or whatever exchange does |
| 01:51.32 | raymonddull | no i'm saying unless there is data traffic happening, the radio is sleeping, there isnt an active connection, when you start traffic, it opens essentially a dial up connection |
| 01:51.43 | raymonddull | on android the connection never dies, so the modem never sleeps |
| 01:53.02 | d3tul3 | hm, i don't get how then the radio can wake up the device from sleep in winmo (for example on incoming email) if there's no active connection |
| 01:55.21 | raymonddull | I dont either but it does, leave your phone alone for a little bit then pick it back up and try doing something on the internet, my mogul and tp2 both pop up saying dialing #777 to start the data connection |
| 01:59.15 | d3tul3 | wonder if something like that could work in android...tear down the connection for x mins, then bring it up for y mins etc while in suspend |
| 02:00.27 | jonpry | dial on demand |
| 02:00.37 | jonpry | i think the email clients poll anyways |
| 02:01.03 | d3tul3 | in android? pretty sure gmail pushes |
| 02:01.47 | rpierce99 | i've always wondered whether exchange is truly push or if it's just a tight window of low cost pings |
| 02:01.56 | jonpry | not sure. presumably it is some pop implementation |
| 02:02.18 | rpierce99 | doesn't gmail use imap primarily? |
| 02:02.33 | jonpry | either way those protocols only support polling |
| 02:04.21 | d3tul3 | it could be pushing outside of the mail client |
| 02:08.55 | jonpry | what does that mean? |
| 02:09.09 | rpierce99 | an extension to the base imap protocol |
| 02:09.36 | d3tul3 | it's doing it via google sync |
| 02:10.00 | d3tul3 | google sync apparently pushes notifications |
| 02:10.15 | d3tul3 | or at least that's what the internet says, and the internet is never wrong |
| 02:10.26 | rpierce99 | yeah i doubt that anything is truly a push system |
| 02:10.31 | rpierce99 | firewalls would never allow it |
| 02:11.12 | jonpry | that only dictates who open the tcp channel |
| 02:14.49 | d3tul3 | well if you figure out where i can change the sync polling interval let me know i would like to experiment some |
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| 11:42.32 | simpson | hi guise |
| 11:53.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | hi trolls |
| 11:55.13 | simpson | fakker, you missing it bro |
| 11:56.55 | simpson | drops http://goo.gl/GPnQm and runs |
| 11:58.34 | Alex[sp3dev] | wonders how slow backing up / and ~ to an usb hdd may be |
| 11:59.22 | simpson | took 30 mins for me to backup 31g of data |
| 11:59.26 | simpson | usb 2.0 |
| 12:00.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | too bad i have dm-crypt with aes256 there. should've really made a new fs without encryption for faster backup |
| 12:01.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | what sucks is that usb is likely to disconnect when you're working on the laptop and move it |
| 12:01.33 | simpson | i use a 32g pendrive with files encrypted using gnupgp, fs level encryption is nice but you regret afterwards.. |
| 12:02.18 | simpson | hmm, never had usb disconnect while moving my vaio z12 |
| 12:04.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | my vaio feels so fragile compared to thinkpad |
| 12:04.49 | simpson | yes, all sony products are. broke my lcd hinge in the first week, had to take extra care from then.. |
| 12:05.39 | Alex[sp3dev] | crap. should've gone for a macbook. or not. at least i can have second battery, ram upgrade and it doesn't weight 3kg like thinkpad |
| 12:06.45 | simpson | worse part in laptops is upgrades, can't really change much after buying.. as for macbook, i think no, it's just overpriced advertisement |
| 12:07.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | but it can live ~7 hours and weighs less than most netbooks.. |
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| 12:08.35 | simpson | 7 hours ? lol, my friends 17 inch macbook pro lasts 4 hours if lucky |
| 12:09.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | i was talking about a 13 inch macbook air |
| 12:09.38 | simpson | the only thing i liked in macbook was that huge glass trackpad and their clicking mechanism. |
| 12:10.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | my vaio also has a huge touchpad btw |
| 12:11.21 | simpson | :( but vaio z is light as feather and much faster than air |
| 12:12.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | thougt of getting z21 but got sa3 instead (sa3s9r). i5, 1600x900, 6gig ram.. although it's a bit heavier than air |
| 12:15.59 | Alex[sp3dev] | simpson: is battery life generally ok with vanilla kernel? |
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| 12:26.31 | simpson | stupid network, btw alex using 3.2.20 on arch linux i would get 4~5 hours on normal usage |
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| 14:47.26 | zeusk | hai guise |
| 14:56.07 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok so i've booted fedora from usb hdd. and i get 20W idle/1.5H remaining. radeon off via switcheroo. wtf? is it because it needs rc6 and fbc? |
| 14:57.14 | d3tul3 | hyc what do these folks want with you ? https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/4/21/131 |
| 14:58.40 | d3tul3 | damn i didn't know you wrote some of that n_tty code we were talking about last time |
| 15:04.36 | Alex[sp3dev] | am i stupid or does fedora installer really suck? |
| 15:07.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually both. but i wonder. if i have created a partition at the disk end, why cannot i then create one at disk start? GUI sucks as usual |
| 15:09.32 | Cotulla | hey Alexx |
| 15:09.38 | Cotulla | which NB u bought? |
| 15:09.46 | Alex[sp3dev] | Cotulla: vaio sa3s9r |
| 15:10.07 | Cotulla | 1.5 hours? |
| 15:10.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | 5-6 hours in windows with little backlight |
| 15:10.39 | zeusk | fedora ? they exclude closed source drivers right ? |
| 15:10.52 | Cotulla | I thought about that :( |
| 15:10.54 | Alex[sp3dev] | probably |
| 15:11.08 | Alex[sp3dev] | but it has 1. intel graphics and 2. radeon driver has good PM now |
| 15:11.33 | zeusk | with noveou (or whatever they call it), i get 1 hour battery but with nvidia's driver i get 2.5+ easily |
| 15:12.03 | Alex[sp3dev] | zeusk: that was the case with radeon 4 years ago but now open source driver has good power saving |
| 15:12.11 | zeusk | hmm, radeons.. i never used one on a linux build after using a 4850 with arch a few years back |
| 15:12.18 | zeusk | hmm |
| 15:27.56 | zeusk | windows ce on phone + linux on pc = nightmare |
| 15:28.07 | zeusk | *windows mobile |
| 15:32.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | so. i dunno what but installing fedora was a stupid idea. systemd is an undebuggable piece of crap and i can't even tell if the kernel hangs or what. booting from cd works, from hdd - doesnt. of course i should just copy debian from my other laptop but i wanted to see what popular modern distros look like. |
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| 15:52.58 | Alex[sp3dev] | ok i'm sick to death of fedora and systemd |
| 15:53.14 | zeusk | im sick with ubuntu, fedora, gentoo and opensuse |
| 15:53.19 | Alex[sp3dev] | I made up a song about it http://pastebin.com/tzfFG9y0 |
| 15:53.31 | zeusk | linux dissapointed me till i saw arch linux, but configuring it is pain |
| 15:54.11 | zeusk | LOL |
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| 16:32.09 | d3tul3 | jonpry, i have drivers/usb to a point where the diffstat against korg 3.3.2 shows only changes to usb/gadget |
| 16:32.41 | jonpry | are we going to upgrade to that ics stuff? |
| 16:33.23 | d3tul3 | ugh i tried to untangle to userland stuff ... it's not easy...and at that point we'd likely have to roll out our own system images |
| 16:34.23 | jonpry | i still think it will work as long as nobody uses mass storage |
| 16:35.25 | d3tul3 | you mean just update the kernel stuff and hope gingerbread can handle it? i think for example the way userland enables adb is different |
| 16:36.11 | jonpry | thats true but we can turn on adb in init. userland won't be able to control it but does mass storage really even work? |
| 16:36.51 | d3tul3 | it does |
| 16:36.57 | d3tul3 | well |
| 16:37.01 | d3tul3 | it turns on |
| 16:37.35 | jonpry | sounds like a must have feature |
| 16:37.38 | d3tul3 | but when we try to disable it i think it doesn't re-mount /sdcard properly which causes some other issues (think device doesn't suspend after that) |
| 16:38.17 | jonpry | maybe do a hybrid frameworks base that can support both usb drivers? |
| 16:38.30 | d3tul3 | i don't mind messing up mass storage i think we can probably get majority of the 6 users in here and vote on the matter :p |
| 16:39.02 | jonpry | yeah i don't use it |
| 16:40.48 | d3tul3 | how about usb tethering? |
| 16:41.27 | jonpry | not sure. if it can be permanently turned on, then android control isn't necessary |
| 16:41.44 | d3tul3 | there's some interaction between adb and rndis |
| 16:41.56 | d3tul3 | not sure if they can co-exist |
| 16:44.23 | d3tul3 | i guess they can, except it kicks me out of the shell on enable/disable, but works fine otherwise |
| 16:45.54 | jonpry | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.58 | jonpry | android source |
| 16:47.37 | d3tul3 | frameworks/base/services maybe let me see if i can find it |
| 16:47.42 | d3tul3 | i think there's also a system/core component |
| 16:48.23 | d3tul3 | https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/services/java/com/android/server/usb |
| 16:49.22 | d3tul3 | here's the userland side of the kernel_new_gadget commit https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/commit/02e4569b5f126ca916a7473117ddd17d4f2ccbbb#services/java/com/android/server/usb |
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| 16:53.21 | jonpry | assuming the old and new file will build it should be pretty simple |
| 16:54.12 | jonpry | Just make a UsbManagerOld and UsbManagerNew. then create a UsbManager that essentially chooses which one to inherit from at runtime |
| 16:57.53 | jonpry | or do it in one big file |
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| 19:08.48 | ccxCZ | what the hell does SPL stand for? |
| 19:10.43 | ahigerd | Second Program Loader, basically phase 2 of the bootup sequence (after the IPL, Initial Program Loader) |
| 19:11.49 | ahigerd | Or at least that's what it is on the devices I have experience hacking on, which is to say... not HTC phones >.> |
| 19:12.24 | Willd | Should be the same as SBL |
| 19:18.54 | ccxCZ | https://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/SPL should I install HardSPL then? |
| 19:22.13 | ccxCZ | http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Fastboot#Verify_SPL_S-OFF I have s-on currently |
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| 20:11.12 | Alex[sp3dev] | hmmm.. i definitely do not like the bloated dependencies of gnome, but using dbus and stuff seems better than polling in shell scripts in wmii.. |
| 20:11.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | a gnome shell coupled with a tiling wm would be a win |
| 20:12.39 | d3tul3 | CptAJ, any progress |
| 20:13.06 | Alex[sp3dev] | btw, after disabling radeon via switcheroo and using laptop-mode, i get around 8-10W idle which is around windows.. |
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| 22:15.15 | jonpry | people really need to stop using 27 |
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| 22:40.32 | d3tul3 | i am surprised [acl] hasn't made the jump .... though i guess being a one man show he has to pick his battles |
| 22:45.12 | d3tul3 | perhaps we need rpierce99 to ping him about his record breaking run |
| 22:50.01 | rpierce99 | down to 10% now, 81 hours later |
| 22:52.00 | ahigerd | Impressive |
| 22:52.20 | ahigerd | What kernel/settings are you on this time? |
| 22:53.44 | rpierce99 | only change is wifi off, and thus limited syncing became no syncing |
| 22:53.52 | rpierce99 | no data whatsoever now |
| 22:54.14 | d3tul3 | ...and...and....and it's power collapsing now |
| 22:54.16 | rpierce99 | kernel is 3.1.6-g038bab8-dirty |
| 22:59.01 | ahigerd | -dirty? |
| 22:59.27 | rpierce99 | yeah someones local repo before pushing the changes to the autobuild, or potentially before the autobuild existed |
| 22:59.33 | ahigerd | Ah |
| 23:24.35 | jonpry | acl is all about nand |