IRC log for #kas on 20071114

`02:25.51`	`*** join/#kas blast007 (i=blast@pdpc/supporter/active/blast007)`
`02:25.52`	`*** mode/#kas [+v blast007] by ChanServ`
`02:26.04`	`CBG`	`wow. just you. :D`
`02:26.05`	`blast007`	`w00t w00t, blast is on the roof! and the roof is on fire!`
`02:26.11`	`CBG`	`heh`
`02:26.12`	`blast007`	`eeek, put out the roof!`
`02:26.47`	`blast007`	`gah, I'm in 18 channels now`
`02:27.01`	`CBG`	`only 18? ;)`
`02:27.07`	`blast007`	`ran out of hotkeys for switching windows...`
`02:27.21`	`CBG`	`i'm in 28 auto-join.... ;)`
`02:27.43`	`blast007`	`yeah... on irssi, I only have the ability to switch to 19 channels without having to switch one at a time, or using /window`
`02:28.00`	`blast007`	`this is #19 ;)`
`02:28.16`	`blast007`	`well, 18... the status window counts in there as well`
`02:28.27`	`CBG`	`on os x anyway. only join about 10 with xchat under windows`
`02:28.29`	`CBG`	`heh`
`02:28.31`	`CBG`	`:D`
`02:28.34`	`CBG`	`oh. make mine 29. ;)`
`02:28.52`	`CBG`	`why am I winking so much? must be a twitch`
`02:29.23`	`CBG`	`anyway... mobo first`
`02:29.47`	`CBG`	`Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Motherboard - £50 (Qbeebs suggestion) vs. Intel DP965LT (P965 Chipset) - £60 (My choice)`
`02:30.09`	`CBG`	`I think I get a lot more for the extra £10`
`02:30.09`	`blast007`	`well.... what CPU do you want?`
`02:30.37`	`CBG`	`a core 2 duo, E4400 E4500 or E4600. all 800Mhz 2MB L2...`
`02:30.56`	`blast007`	`800MHz FSB?`
`02:30.58`	`blast007`	`wha?`
`02:31.16`	`*** join/#kas Think_Differentl (n=shedelj@unaffiliated/thinkdifferentl/x-838543)`
`02:31.30`	`CBG`	`probably the E4600. those cards go up £5 each time, and are 2.0GHz, 2.2GHz and 2.4Ghz... so seems a steal to get the E4600 for the extra tenner`
`02:31.35`	`CBG`	`blast007: yep. bad?`
`02:31.51`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`02:31.59`	`CBG`	`the core 2 duos with higher fsb's jump up in price much more :(`
`02:32.05`	`blast007`	`right`
`02:32.06`	`CBG`	`beep suggested the E4400`
`02:32.10`	`Think_Differentl`	`dont get 8600`
`02:32.17`	`CBG`	`wha?`
`02:32.18`	`blast007`	`Think_Differentl: :P`
`02:32.18`	`Think_Differentl`	`you can OC the 4x series`
`02:32.26`	`Think_Differentl`	`decently, iirc.`
`02:32.38`	`Think_Differentl`	`but the 6x ones have more cache and a higher fsb`
`02:32.38`	`blast007`	`oh, of the CPU`
`02:32.42`	`CBG`	`you're talking about nvidia gfx..?`
`02:32.49`	`blast007`	`thought you were talking about the 8600 nvidia again`
`02:32.56`	`Think_Differentl`	`err`
`02:33.03`	`Think_Differentl`	`dont get 8600 <---this was`
`02:33.06`	`Think_Differentl`	`rest is about cpu`
`02:33.12`	`CBG`	`ok`
`02:33.18`	`blast007`	`okay... confusing me ;D`
`02:33.22`	`CBG`	`we're talking about mobos and cpus atm`
`02:33.42`	`CBG`	`I can afford the extra £10 for the E4600, but much more isn't really an option`
`02:33.53`	`CBG`	`not without downgrading other stuff`
`02:34.40`	`blast007`	`I have the E6300`
`02:34.49`	`CBG`	`E4400 - £75, E4500 - £80, E4600 - £85, E4600 - £120. see what I mean?`
`02:34.59`	`CBG`	`uh, that last one should be E6400.`
`02:35.16`	`CBG`	`the E6300 is < 2GHz though :(`
`02:35.23`	`blast007`	`Think_Differentl: will the 800MHz bus speed make those CPUs suck?`
`02:35.55`	`blast007`	`man... I wish I had a C2D at work right now... I'm installing two copies of Windows XP in Virtual PC right now :P`
`02:36.44`	`blast007`	`CBG: keep in mind that you'll probably want to upgrade this computer later, right?`
`02:36.57`	`CBG`	`probably`
`02:37.02`	`CBG`	`but not for a couple years`
`02:37.13`	`blast007`	`right`
`02:37.15`	`blast007`	`but still`
`02:38.04`	`blast007`	`that Gigabyte mobo supports 1333 and 1066 FSB`
`02:38.07`	`blast007`	`not 800`
`02:38.28`	`CBG`	`oh, wow. beep recommended it to me, plus a E4400... lol`
`02:38.42`	`CBG`	`I haven't looked at that board, just picked out the intel one myself`
`02:38.53`	`CBG`	`which seemed like the best intel board.. lol`
`02:39.22`	`blast007`	`well, I could just be reading newegg wrong too... or newgg might not give the full details`
`02:39.30`	`CBG`	`i'll see`
`02:39.37`	`blast007`	`the intel one on intel's site gives a lot more detail`
`02:39.53`	`CBG`	`http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2615`
`02:40.06`	`blast007`	`it supports 1066 and 800 for C2D, yet also supports all the way up to Core 2 Quads @ 1066 FSB`
`02:40.19`	`blast007`	`up to 8GB of RAM`
`02:40.38`	`blast007`	`single PCIe x16 slot`
`02:40.43`	`CBG`	`hey, it's called future proofing ! :P`
`02:40.45`	`blast007`	`(which is just fine)`
`02:41.00`	`blast007`	`yeah`
`02:41.07`	`blast007`	`my board supports 8GB too`
`02:41.19`	`CBG`	`http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2615&ProductName=GA-P31-DS3L = Front Side Bus 1333/1066/800 MHz FSB`
`02:41.33`	`CBG`	`crappier chipset though, I think`
`02:41.34`	`blast007`	`it would be silly to get one with only 4GB of support nowadays, with 64-bit starting to be more popular`
`02:41.58`	`blast007`	`I'd say go with the intel`
`02:42.22`	`blast007`	`it'll probably be a good board to run linux on as well`
`02:42.31`	`CBG`	`gigabyte board = 8 usb ports. intel board = 10 usb ports.`
`02:42.35`	`CBG`	`it is sealed. ;)`
`02:42.41`	`CBG`	`ok cool. linux ftw`
`02:42.49`	`blast007`	`since intel is doing pretty good at giving drivers for linux`
`02:42.56`	`CBG`	`:)`
`02:42.57`	`CBG`	`so, back to the cpu...`
`02:43.00`	`blast007`	`audio might be iffy, but anyway..`
`02:43.11`	`CBG`	`audio = headphones for me`
`02:43.19`	`blast007`	`I mean audio support`
`02:43.24`	`blast007`	`for linux`
`02:43.33`	`CBG`	`ah ok`
`02:43.34`	`blast007`	`I don't know about the chipset it uses`
`02:43.46`	`blast007`	`a.k.a. if linux has (good) drivers for it`
`02:44.00`	`blast007`	`that might be the one thing that wouldn't be so hot with that board`
`02:44.16`	`blast007`	`but again, I'm really not sure :)`
`02:44.20`	`CBG`	`ok`
`02:44.34`	`blast007`	`okay, for the CPU, do what you can do`
`02:44.41`	`blast007`	`that board supports the 800MHz chips`
`02:44.46`	`blast007`	`(FSB)`
`02:45.01`	`blast007`	`my 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo has served me well`
`02:45.12`	`CBG`	`i don't fancy going out of the E4000 range unless It will really suck with one of those`
`02:45.38`	`CBG`	`but I am leaning towards the E4600 (2.4GHz) because it's only a tiny bit more expensive than the 2.0GHz...`
`02:45.40`	`blast007`	`I can run games at full quality, and so far the main two that have beat it up was Crysis and Need For Speed Carbon... both ran fine if I didn't run at full quality :P`
`02:46.01`	`blast007`	`(and I can get over 1000FPS in BZFlag)`
`02:46.18`	`CBG`	`Wow...`
`02:46.35`	`blast007`	`I was holding 400FPS on Louman's Home Sweet Home....`
`02:46.40`	`blast007`	`... ag 1600x1200 ;)`
`02:46.42`	`blast007`	`at*`
`02:47.00`	`blast007`	`so yeah, it flys`
`02:47.04`	`CBG`	`I hear crysis is so bad, no machine in the world can run it full quality. :P lol`
`02:47.19`	`blast007`	`CBG: well, I can run it full quality`
`02:47.28`	`blast007`	`and my machine is far from top of the line`
`02:47.50`	`blast007`	`it's not not very fast on mine when I do that ;D`
`02:48.27`	`CBG`	`yeah, exaggerating. but it is a huge resource hog apparantly`
`02:48.29`	`CBG`	`heh`
`02:48.42`	`blast007`	`that might be one thing you want to do while waiting for parts to arrive.. download game demos to beat your graphics card with after you get it built :D`
`02:49.14`	`CBG`	`the E6400 is only £5 > E6300 again, just like with the E4400, E4500 and E4600 just £5 apart...`
`02:49.43`	`CBG`	`is it worth looking at one with a 4 MB L2 ?`
`02:50.41`	`blast007`	`depends on the price difference`
`02:50.46`	`blast007`	`mine only has 2MB`
`02:51.05`	`blast007`	`when I bought it, the 4MB ones were a lot more, since they were only on the higher clock speed models`
`02:51.18`	`blast007`	`now they have a 1.86GHz just like mine with 4MB`
`02:55.36`	`CBG`	`E6300 - £90, E6320 - £95, E6400 - £100`
`02:56.09`	`blast007`	`Think_Differentl: any idea on the performance difference between 2MB and 4MB cache?`
`02:56.41`	`CBG`	`so for £5 more than the E4600, I get the E6300... but that is like 0.6GHz slower, same cache, 1066 MHz vs 800 MHz fsb`
`02:57.28`	`CBG`	`Another £5 gets me the 4MB cache. another £5 is a 2MB cache again, but 2.13GHz`
`02:59.22`	`Think_Differentl`	`blast007, not much`
`03:03.37`	`CBG`	`forget the E4400 and E4500 and E6320. the 4600 ($160) = 2.4 GHz, 800 MHz fsb. the 6300 ($180) = 1.86GHz, 1066MHz. the 6400 ($200) = 2.13GHz, 1066Mhz`
`03:03.59`	`CBG`	`worth $20 to get the 6300? worth $40 to get the 6400?`
`03:04.54`	`CBG`	`tell you what.... does it affect much else? we already got a mobo that will work with any of those`
`03:05.06`	`CBG`	`let's skip it and see how my cash flow is later on`
`03:05.11`	`Think_Differentl`	`CBG, you might want to get a cheap proc then upgrade when penryn comes`
`03:05.25`	`CBG`	`penryn?`
`03:05.36`	`Think_Differentl`	`45nm`
`03:05.37`	`Think_Differentl`	`quad core`
`03:05.39`	`Think_Differentl`	`cheap`
`03:05.55`	`Think_Differentl`	`more l2 cache`
`03:06.02`	`Think_Differentl`	`1333fsb`
`03:06.13`	`CBG`	`how much will it be?`
`03:06.14`	`blast007`	`Think_Differentl: his board he picked doesn't support 1333fsb`
`03:06.16`	`Think_Differentl`	`12mb for the quads, 6 for the duals.`
`03:06.17`	`blast007`	`only up to 1066`
`03:06.19`	`CBG`	`and what clock speed?`
`03:06.28`	`CBG`	`I can still change the board`
`03:06.34`	`CBG`	`not ordering as we go along :P`
`03:06.37`	`blast007`	`;)`
`03:07.02`	`blast007`	`anyway, I'm going home... have to get gas, verify that my tire isn't going flat again, et`
`03:07.05`	`blast007`	`etc*`
`03:07.10`	`CBG`	`ok`
`03:07.13`	`CBG`	`thanks blast007`
`03:07.15`	`blast007`	`np`
`03:07.18`	`CBG`	`i'll probably sleep soon`
`03:07.27`	`CBG`	`so catch you in a couple days probably`
`03:24.23`	`CBG`	`thanks Think_Differentl`
`03:24.32`	`Think_Differentl`	`cya`
`03:24.34`	`CBG`	`catch you guys in a day or two :)`
`18:05.48`	`*** join/#kas a_temp_work (n=temporal@about/essy/alarming/a-temp-dist)`
`22:17.24`	`CBG`	`hey a_temp_work. only like, a day late :P`
`22:17.34`	`CBG`	`got some more shit to do though if you wanna help`
`22:17.37`	`CBG`	`blast007: ping`
`22:17.42`	`blast007`	`CBG: pong`
`22:17.50`	`a_temp_work`	`CBG, like what?`
`22:17.52`	`blast007`	`I'm at work, so I might not always respond`
`22:18.01`	`a_temp_work`	`I don't really know PC hardware`
`22:18.20`	`blast007`	`a_temp_work: it's the same as Intel Mac hardware, but costs a lot less!`
`22:18.30`	`CBG`	`ok no prob`
`22:18.32`	`CBG`	`ah ok a_temp_work`
`22:18.46`	`a_temp_work`	`so there are only three choices?`
`22:19.08`	`CBG`	`haha`
`22:19.17`	`blast007`	`a_temp_work: heh..`
`22:19.37`	`blast007`	`there's like 40 choices...`
`22:19.43`	`blast007`	`...for what color of case you want`
`22:20.06`	`CBG`	`man, I looked at cases after you left last night blast007`
`22:20.12`	`CBG`	`musta bookmarked 20 as possibles`
`22:20.22`	`blast007`	`get one that does 120mm fans`
`22:20.40`	`blast007`	`they move more air with less noise`
`22:20.41`	`CBG`	`realised I wasn't halfway through the category i was in on a site all about cases and gave the fuck up`
`22:20.47`	`CBG`	`ok cool, thanks`
`22:20.59`	`blast007`	`and worry about the case later, after you pick out components`
`22:21.25`	`CBG`	`this was the one I liked most about all the ones I looked at: http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/395343/x-case-m2-mpc---media-micro-case-micro-size-supports-full-size-boards---no-psu-black-white-2-x-120mm-fans-hd-audio-front-usb-takes-micro-and-full-size-boards-gloss-paintwork-just-365mm-tall-.html`
`22:21.26`	`blast007`	`I might even recommend buying the case from a physical store, in case your video card doesn't fit ;)`
`22:21.34`	`CBG`	`and, it has 2 120mm fans it seems :)`
`22:21.50`	`CBG`	`hmm, good point`
`22:21.55`	`blast007`	`I have 5 120mm fans ;)`
`22:21.58`	`CBG`	`anyway, it can wait. got other stuff to think about first`
`22:22.02`	`CBG`	`lol. nice`
`22:22.03`	`blast007`	`and two 80mm fans in my PSU`
`22:22.40`	`blast007`	`the PSU fans are loudest :P`
`22:22.40`	`CBG`	`heh`
`22:23.27`	`blast007`	`interesting location for the power supply on that case...`
`22:24.08`	`CBG`	`it's where all the 3.5" bays are in all the other cases I looked at`
`22:24.32`	`CBG`	`it seems ALL cases under £30 are identical inside except this one has the PSU in that place`
`22:44.45`	`CBG`	`blast007: what's the max. res. on a 17" monitor?`
`22:55.33`	`blast007`	`CBG: depends on the screen`
`22:55.51`	`CBG`	`yeah, just got that in #hardware`
`22:56.20`	`blast007`	`my 17" laptop can do 1440x900 iirc`
`22:56.38`	`blast007`	`my 17" CRT (16" or so viewable) can do 1600x1200`
`22:57.01`	`CBG`	`yeah, I was thinking I could base my gfx card choice to some extent on what res. I would be running at`
`22:57.10`	`CBG`	`looks like I should try and pickout a screen first`
`22:57.29`	`CBG`	`shower, brb`
`23:11.58`	`blast007`	`CBG: I don't think you'll get a video card that can't handle a monitor's resolution`
`23:12.08`	`blast007`	`even onboard Intel graphics handles fairly high resolutions`
`23:12.18`	`blast007`	`at least for non-gaming stuff`
`23:12.44`	`blast007`	`I quite frequently run my laptop screen at 720x480 for games`
`23:13.01`	`blast007`	`since the card can't handle 1440x900 for Half Life 2 ;)`
`23:24.02`	`CBG`	`hehe ok`
`23:32.55`	`*** join/#kas QuantumBeep (n=QuantumB@72.47.73.208)`
`23:33.07`	`CBG`	`howdy :)`
`23:33.13`	`CBG`	`i'll give you a summary in a sec`
`23:33.36`	`QuantumBeep`	`kk`
`23:35.50`	`CBG`	`watching a tv show about hookers. interesting`
`23:37.31`	`QuantumBeep`	`No kidding.`
`23:48.30`	`CBG`	`Ok, I looked at MoBos first. Your recommendation was: Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Motherboard - £50. I found: Intel DP965LT (P965 Chipset) - £60. £10 more but seems like a higher end mobo so would be "future proof" I think. Plus I've heard of Intel but not Gigabyte (though I do trust your judgement)...`
`23:49.01`	`CBG`	`Moved on to CPUs. You suggested an E4400 for £75. I found that the E4500 is just £5 more, £80. And the E4600 just another £5 more at £85... So it seemed a good idea to get the extra 0.4GHz clock speed for an extra 2 hours work.`
`23:49.25`	`CBG`	`But then blast007 suggested the next level up - 1066MHz fsb rather than the 800 MHz of the E4*00 range.`
`23:51.05`	`CBG`	`The E6300 is only 1.86GHz and £90, £5 more than the E4600. I decided to skip the E6320. The E6400 is another £10 more at $100 and is 2.13GHz with the 1066MHz fsb.`
`23:51.37`	`CBG`	`So I figured I would decide between the E4600 and E6400 depending on budget, later on. :)`
`23:51.52`	`CBG`	`Looking at screens now. :)`
`23:51.53`	`QuantumBeep`	`Whoops, forgot about you for a second there. SHoulda pinged me`
`23:52.05`	`CBG`	`no prob. just typing away.. ;)`
`23:52.24`	`CBG`	`Yeah, looking for that 17" (maybe 19") screen now`
`23:52.35`	`QuantumBeep`	`Sounds like you're doing exactly what I would have done if I'd known there was a little extra money to work with`
`23:52.54`	`QuantumBeep`	`although I can assure you that Gigabyte has been a top-notch manufacturer for as long as I have been alive`
`23:53.41`	`CBG`	`Ok, fair enough`
`23:54.01`	`CBG`	`I'm not sure there is extra money to work with, but I'll see what I come out with when I'm done.`
`23:54.29`	`CBG`	`I mainly just want to understand what I am doing. Rather tha just go out and buy whatever you wrote down for me one thing at a time knowing nothing about the parts.`
`23:54.47`	`QuantumBeep`	`Good idea.`
`23:54.58`	`QuantumBeep`	`This time next year you'll be the one writing down spec sheets`
`23:55.06`	`CBG`	`hehe. maybe :)`

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