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02:26.04 | CBG | wow. just you. :D |
02:26.05 | blast007 | w00t w00t, blast is on the roof! and the roof is on fire! |
02:26.11 | CBG | heh |
02:26.12 | blast007 | eeek, put out the roof! |
02:26.47 | blast007 | gah, I'm in 18 channels now |
02:27.01 | CBG | only 18? ;) |
02:27.07 | blast007 | ran out of hotkeys for switching windows... |
02:27.21 | CBG | i'm in 28 auto-join.... ;) |
02:27.43 | blast007 | yeah... on irssi, I only have the ability to switch to 19 channels without having to switch one at a time, or using /window |
02:28.00 | blast007 | this is #19 ;) |
02:28.16 | blast007 | well, 18... the status window counts in there as well |
02:28.27 | CBG | on os x anyway. only join about 10 with xchat under windows |
02:28.29 | CBG | heh |
02:28.31 | CBG | :D |
02:28.34 | CBG | oh. make mine 29. ;) |
02:28.52 | CBG | why am I winking so much? must be a twitch |
02:29.23 | CBG | anyway... mobo first |
02:29.47 | CBG | Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Motherboard - £50 (Qbeebs suggestion) vs. Intel DP965LT (P965 Chipset) - £60 (My choice) |
02:30.09 | CBG | I think I get a lot more for the extra £10 |
02:30.09 | blast007 | well.... what CPU do you want? |
02:30.37 | CBG | a core 2 duo, E4400 E4500 or E4600. all 800Mhz 2MB L2... |
02:30.56 | blast007 | 800MHz FSB? |
02:30.58 | blast007 | wha? |
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02:31.30 | CBG | probably the E4600. those cards go up £5 each time, and are 2.0GHz, 2.2GHz and 2.4Ghz... so seems a steal to get the E4600 for the extra tenner |
02:31.35 | CBG | blast007: yep. bad? |
02:31.51 | blast007 | yeah |
02:31.59 | CBG | the core 2 duos with higher fsb's jump up in price much more :( |
02:32.05 | blast007 | right |
02:32.06 | CBG | beep suggested the E4400 |
02:32.10 | Think_Differentl | dont get 8600 |
02:32.17 | CBG | wha? |
02:32.18 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: :P |
02:32.18 | Think_Differentl | you can OC the 4x series |
02:32.26 | Think_Differentl | decently, iirc. |
02:32.38 | Think_Differentl | but the 6x ones have more cache and a higher fsb |
02:32.38 | blast007 | oh, of the CPU |
02:32.42 | CBG | you're talking about nvidia gfx..? |
02:32.49 | blast007 | thought you were talking about the 8600 nvidia again |
02:32.56 | Think_Differentl | err |
02:33.03 | Think_Differentl | dont get 8600 <---this was |
02:33.06 | Think_Differentl | rest is about cpu |
02:33.12 | CBG | ok |
02:33.18 | blast007 | okay... confusing me ;D |
02:33.22 | CBG | we're talking about mobos and cpus atm |
02:33.42 | CBG | I can afford the extra £10 for the E4600, but much more isn't really an option |
02:33.53 | CBG | not without downgrading other stuff |
02:34.40 | blast007 | I have the E6300 |
02:34.49 | CBG | E4400 - £75, E4500 - £80, E4600 - £85, E4600 - £120. see what I mean? |
02:34.59 | CBG | uh, that last one should be E6400. |
02:35.16 | CBG | the E6300 is < 2GHz though :( |
02:35.23 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: will the 800MHz bus speed make those CPUs suck? |
02:35.55 | blast007 | man... I wish I had a C2D at work right now... I'm installing two copies of Windows XP in Virtual PC right now :P |
02:36.44 | blast007 | CBG: keep in mind that you'll probably want to upgrade this computer later, right? |
02:36.57 | CBG | probably |
02:37.02 | CBG | but not for a couple years |
02:37.13 | blast007 | right |
02:37.15 | blast007 | but still |
02:38.04 | blast007 | that Gigabyte mobo supports 1333 and 1066 FSB |
02:38.07 | blast007 | not 800 |
02:38.28 | CBG | oh, wow. beep recommended it to me, plus a E4400... lol |
02:38.42 | CBG | I haven't looked at that board, just picked out the intel one myself |
02:38.53 | CBG | which seemed like the best intel board.. lol |
02:39.22 | blast007 | well, I could just be reading newegg wrong too... or newgg might not give the full details |
02:39.30 | CBG | i'll see |
02:39.37 | blast007 | the intel one on intel's site gives a lot more detail |
02:39.53 | CBG | http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2615 |
02:40.06 | blast007 | it supports 1066 and 800 for C2D, yet also supports all the way up to Core 2 Quads @ 1066 FSB |
02:40.19 | blast007 | up to 8GB of RAM |
02:40.38 | blast007 | single PCIe x16 slot |
02:40.43 | CBG | hey, it's called future proofing ! :P |
02:40.45 | blast007 | (which is just fine) |
02:41.00 | blast007 | yeah |
02:41.07 | blast007 | my board supports 8GB too |
02:41.19 | CBG | http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2615&ProductName=GA-P31-DS3L = Front Side Bus 1333/1066/800 MHz FSB |
02:41.33 | CBG | crappier chipset though, I think |
02:41.34 | blast007 | it would be silly to get one with only 4GB of support nowadays, with 64-bit starting to be more popular |
02:41.58 | blast007 | I'd say go with the intel |
02:42.22 | blast007 | it'll probably be a good board to run linux on as well |
02:42.31 | CBG | gigabyte board = 8 usb ports. intel board = 10 usb ports. |
02:42.35 | CBG | it is sealed. ;) |
02:42.41 | CBG | ok cool. linux ftw |
02:42.49 | blast007 | since intel is doing pretty good at giving drivers for linux |
02:42.56 | CBG | :) |
02:42.57 | CBG | so, back to the cpu... |
02:43.00 | blast007 | audio might be iffy, but anyway.. |
02:43.11 | CBG | audio = headphones for me |
02:43.19 | blast007 | I mean audio support |
02:43.24 | blast007 | for linux |
02:43.33 | CBG | ah ok |
02:43.34 | blast007 | I don't know about the chipset it uses |
02:43.46 | blast007 | a.k.a. if linux has (good) drivers for it |
02:44.00 | blast007 | that might be the one thing that wouldn't be so hot with that board |
02:44.16 | blast007 | but again, I'm really not sure :) |
02:44.20 | CBG | ok |
02:44.34 | blast007 | okay, for the CPU, do what you can do |
02:44.41 | blast007 | that board supports the 800MHz chips |
02:44.46 | blast007 | (FSB) |
02:45.01 | blast007 | my 1.86GHz Core 2 Duo has served me well |
02:45.12 | CBG | i don't fancy going out of the E4000 range unless It will really suck with one of those |
02:45.38 | CBG | but I am leaning towards the E4600 (2.4GHz) because it's only a tiny bit more expensive than the 2.0GHz... |
02:45.40 | blast007 | I can run games at full quality, and so far the main two that have beat it up was Crysis and Need For Speed Carbon... both ran fine if I didn't run at full quality :P |
02:46.01 | blast007 | (and I can get over 1000FPS in BZFlag) |
02:46.18 | CBG | Wow... |
02:46.35 | blast007 | I was holding 400FPS on Louman's Home Sweet Home.... |
02:46.40 | blast007 | ... ag 1600x1200 ;) |
02:46.42 | blast007 | at* |
02:47.00 | blast007 | so yeah, it flys |
02:47.04 | CBG | I hear crysis is so bad, no machine in the world can run it full quality. :P lol |
02:47.19 | blast007 | CBG: well, I can run it full quality |
02:47.28 | blast007 | and my machine is far from top of the line |
02:47.50 | blast007 | it's not not very fast on mine when I do that ;D |
02:48.27 | CBG | yeah, exaggerating. but it is a huge resource hog apparantly |
02:48.29 | CBG | heh |
02:48.42 | blast007 | that might be one thing you want to do while waiting for parts to arrive.. download game demos to beat your graphics card with after you get it built :D |
02:49.14 | CBG | the E6400 is only £5 > E6300 again, just like with the E4400, E4500 and E4600 just £5 apart... |
02:49.43 | CBG | is it worth looking at one with a 4 MB L2 ? |
02:50.41 | blast007 | depends on the price difference |
02:50.46 | blast007 | mine only has 2MB |
02:51.05 | blast007 | when I bought it, the 4MB ones were a lot more, since they were only on the higher clock speed models |
02:51.18 | blast007 | now they have a 1.86GHz just like mine with 4MB |
02:55.36 | CBG | E6300 - £90, E6320 - £95, E6400 - £100 |
02:56.09 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: any idea on the performance difference between 2MB and 4MB cache? |
02:56.41 | CBG | so for £5 more than the E4600, I get the E6300... but that is like 0.6GHz slower, same cache, 1066 MHz vs 800 MHz fsb |
02:57.28 | CBG | Another £5 gets me the 4MB cache. another £5 is a 2MB cache again, but 2.13GHz |
02:59.22 | Think_Differentl | blast007, not much |
03:03.37 | CBG | forget the E4400 and E4500 and E6320. the 4600 ($160) = 2.4 GHz, 800 MHz fsb. the 6300 ($180) = 1.86GHz, 1066MHz. the 6400 ($200) = 2.13GHz, 1066Mhz |
03:03.59 | CBG | worth $20 to get the 6300? worth $40 to get the 6400? |
03:04.54 | CBG | tell you what.... does it affect much else? we already got a mobo that will work with any of those |
03:05.06 | CBG | let's skip it and see how my cash flow is later on |
03:05.11 | Think_Differentl | CBG, you might want to get a cheap proc then upgrade when penryn comes |
03:05.25 | CBG | penryn? |
03:05.36 | Think_Differentl | 45nm |
03:05.37 | Think_Differentl | quad core |
03:05.39 | Think_Differentl | cheap |
03:05.55 | Think_Differentl | more l2 cache |
03:06.02 | Think_Differentl | 1333fsb |
03:06.13 | CBG | how much will it be? |
03:06.14 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: his board he picked doesn't support 1333fsb |
03:06.16 | Think_Differentl | 12mb for the quads, 6 for the duals. |
03:06.17 | blast007 | only up to 1066 |
03:06.19 | CBG | and what clock speed? |
03:06.28 | CBG | I can still change the board |
03:06.34 | CBG | not ordering as we go along :P |
03:06.37 | blast007 | ;) |
03:07.02 | blast007 | anyway, I'm going home... have to get gas, verify that my tire isn't going flat again, et |
03:07.05 | blast007 | etc* |
03:07.10 | CBG | ok |
03:07.13 | CBG | thanks blast007 |
03:07.15 | blast007 | np |
03:07.18 | CBG | i'll probably sleep soon |
03:07.27 | CBG | so catch you in a couple days probably |
03:24.23 | CBG | thanks Think_Differentl |
03:24.32 | Think_Differentl | cya |
03:24.34 | CBG | catch you guys in a day or two :) |
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22:17.24 | CBG | hey a_temp_work. only like, a day late :P |
22:17.34 | CBG | got some more shit to do though if you wanna help |
22:17.37 | CBG | blast007: ping |
22:17.42 | blast007 | CBG: pong |
22:17.50 | a_temp_work | CBG, like what? |
22:17.52 | blast007 | I'm at work, so I might not always respond |
22:18.01 | a_temp_work | I don't really know PC hardware |
22:18.20 | blast007 | a_temp_work: it's the same as Intel Mac hardware, but costs a lot less! |
22:18.30 | CBG | ok no prob |
22:18.32 | CBG | ah ok a_temp_work |
22:18.46 | a_temp_work | so there are only three choices? |
22:19.08 | CBG | haha |
22:19.17 | blast007 | a_temp_work: heh.. |
22:19.37 | blast007 | there's like 40 choices... |
22:19.43 | blast007 | ...for what color of case you want |
22:20.06 | CBG | man, I looked at cases after you left last night blast007 |
22:20.12 | CBG | musta bookmarked 20 as possibles |
22:20.22 | blast007 | get one that does 120mm fans |
22:20.40 | blast007 | they move more air with less noise |
22:20.41 | CBG | realised I wasn't halfway through the category i was in on a site all about cases and gave the fuck up |
22:20.47 | CBG | ok cool, thanks |
22:20.59 | blast007 | and worry about the case later, after you pick out components |
22:21.25 | CBG | this was the one I liked most about all the ones I looked at: http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/395343/x-case-m2-mpc---media-micro-case-micro-size-supports-full-size-boards---no-psu-black-white-2-x-120mm-fans-hd-audio-front-usb-takes-micro-and-full-size-boards-gloss-paintwork-just-365mm-tall-.html |
22:21.26 | blast007 | I might even recommend buying the case from a physical store, in case your video card doesn't fit ;) |
22:21.34 | CBG | and, it has 2 120mm fans it seems :) |
22:21.50 | CBG | hmm, good point |
22:21.55 | blast007 | I have 5 120mm fans ;) |
22:21.58 | CBG | anyway, it can wait. got other stuff to think about first |
22:22.02 | CBG | lol. nice |
22:22.03 | blast007 | and two 80mm fans in my PSU |
22:22.40 | blast007 | the PSU fans are loudest :P |
22:22.40 | CBG | heh |
22:23.27 | blast007 | interesting location for the power supply on that case... |
22:24.08 | CBG | it's where all the 3.5" bays are in all the other cases I looked at |
22:24.32 | CBG | it seems ALL cases under £30 are identical inside except this one has the PSU in that place |
22:44.45 | CBG | blast007: what's the max. res. on a 17" monitor? |
22:55.33 | blast007 | CBG: depends on the screen |
22:55.51 | CBG | yeah, just got that in #hardware |
22:56.20 | blast007 | my 17" laptop can do 1440x900 iirc |
22:56.38 | blast007 | my 17" CRT (16" or so viewable) can do 1600x1200 |
22:57.01 | CBG | yeah, I was thinking I could base my gfx card choice to some extent on what res. I would be running at |
22:57.10 | CBG | looks like I should try and pickout a screen first |
22:57.29 | CBG | shower, brb |
23:11.58 | blast007 | CBG: I don't think you'll get a video card that can't handle a monitor's resolution |
23:12.08 | blast007 | even onboard Intel graphics handles fairly high resolutions |
23:12.18 | blast007 | at least for non-gaming stuff |
23:12.44 | blast007 | I quite frequently run my laptop screen at 720x480 for games |
23:13.01 | blast007 | since the card can't handle 1440x900 for Half Life 2 ;) |
23:24.02 | CBG | hehe ok |
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23:33.07 | CBG | howdy :) |
23:33.13 | CBG | i'll give you a summary in a sec |
23:33.36 | QuantumBeep | kk |
23:35.50 | CBG | watching a tv show about hookers. interesting |
23:37.31 | QuantumBeep | No kidding. |
23:48.30 | CBG | Ok, I looked at MoBos first. Your recommendation was: Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L Motherboard - £50. I found: Intel DP965LT (P965 Chipset) - £60. £10 more but seems like a higher end mobo so would be "future proof" I think. Plus I've heard of Intel but not Gigabyte (though I do trust your judgement)... |
23:49.01 | CBG | Moved on to CPUs. You suggested an E4400 for £75. I found that the E4500 is just £5 more, £80. And the E4600 just another £5 more at £85... So it seemed a good idea to get the extra 0.4GHz clock speed for an extra 2 hours work. |
23:49.25 | CBG | But then blast007 suggested the next level up - 1066MHz fsb rather than the 800 MHz of the E4*00 range. |
23:51.05 | CBG | The E6300 is only 1.86GHz and £90, £5 more than the E4600. I decided to skip the E6320. The E6400 is another £10 more at $100 and is 2.13GHz with the 1066MHz fsb. |
23:51.37 | CBG | So I figured I would decide between the E4600 and E6400 depending on budget, later on. :) |
23:51.52 | CBG | Looking at screens now. :) |
23:51.53 | QuantumBeep | Whoops, forgot about you for a second there. SHoulda pinged me |
23:52.05 | CBG | no prob. just typing away.. ;) |
23:52.24 | CBG | Yeah, looking for that 17" (maybe 19") screen now |
23:52.35 | QuantumBeep | Sounds like you're doing exactly what I would have done if I'd known there was a little extra money to work with |
23:52.54 | QuantumBeep | although I can assure you that Gigabyte has been a top-notch manufacturer for as long as I have been alive |
23:53.41 | CBG | Ok, fair enough |
23:54.01 | CBG | I'm not sure there is extra money to work with, but I'll see what I come out with when I'm done. |
23:54.29 | CBG | I mainly just want to understand what I am doing. Rather tha just go out and buy whatever you wrote down for me one thing at a time knowing nothing about the parts. |
23:54.47 | QuantumBeep | Good idea. |
23:54.58 | QuantumBeep | This time next year you'll be the one writing down spec sheets |
23:55.06 | CBG | hehe. maybe :) |