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00:13.31 | Dhraakellian | I'm only seeing one readme, which seems to be instructions for modifying it |
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00:34.07 | grepper | yes, in the keybinding configuration in kcontrol |
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00:44.45 | Gyodai | s/I'm/I |
00:56.16 | Deadkitty | hrmm, that would probably be a good question for #kopete |
00:56.45 | Gyodai | I'm trying it there, thanks :) |
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01:09.57 | adcracker | hi all |
01:10.28 | paloris_J | adcracker: hi |
01:11.38 | paloris_J | I have a docbook problem while compiling kde KDE_3_2_0_BETA_2. Can anyone help |
01:11.48 | adcracker | i lose my ligther... i can smoke whitout that... :( |
01:13.14 | paloris_J | index.docbook:1376: error: Entity 'kdm' not defined |
01:13.15 | paloris_J | <glossdef><para>The greeter is the login dialog, &ie; the part of &kdm; |
01:13.49 | adcracker | god i found it!! :) |
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02:09.00 | glick | excuse me in kmail konfigure i clicked, 'always sign whenever possible, but it never signs the emsilas |
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02:12.33 | annma | glick: do you have PGP? |
02:12.42 | glick | annma, yup |
02:13.17 | annma | and is it recognozed in KMail? |
02:13.29 | annma | it should show somewhere, does it? |
02:14.38 | glick | annma, i have a key |
02:14.48 | annma | and does it show in KMail? |
02:15.36 | glick | yes it does |
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02:16.10 | glick | also when i encrypt a message kmail can not decrypt the message |
02:17.00 | annma | what kde version is it? |
02:17.18 | glick | 1.5.4 |
02:17.39 | glick | reason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data. |
02:17.59 | annma | kde version I said |
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02:18.13 | annma | 3.1.4 |
02:18.17 | glick | 3.1.4 |
02:18.17 | annma | it seems |
02:18.29 | annma | well, how did you get kmail? |
02:18.32 | annma | in a rpm? |
02:18.39 | glick | yeah come with my distro |
02:19.16 | annma | what is your distro? |
02:19.22 | glick | suse |
02:20.27 | annma | glick: maybe you could see in suse mailing lists if others have this problem |
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02:21.53 | KIKONE | buenas |
02:22.39 | Deadkitty | 3.2 beta 2 is cool |
02:24.11 | rexsum | any config problems when migrating from 3.1.4 to 3.2? |
02:24.26 | rexsum | which kopete version is in it? currently i hav e 7.4 |
02:24.31 | rexsum | 0.7.4 |
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02:35.28 | aljosa | kde-3.2-beta2 - everything but konsole is showing central-europian characters, what's the problem? |
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02:35.57 | aljosa | central-europian characters aka latin2/iso-8859-2 |
02:36.19 | Dhraakellian | what's the default encoding on your system? |
02:37.37 | glick | wtf1 |
02:37.39 | glick | ! |
02:37.45 | glick | suse.com is not responding |
02:37.53 | glick | and i cant figure out whats wrong with kmail |
02:38.04 | aljosa | Dhraakellian: should be utf-8, but only konsole is not working |
02:38.15 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
02:38.26 | annma | glick: I am quite sure it should work, 3.1.4 is a debugged version |
02:38.54 | glick | annma, heh im sure it `should` too |
02:39.17 | aljosa | Dhraakellian: any idea where to look? |
02:39.37 | Dhraakellian | root around in kcontrol, perhaps |
02:39.43 | annma | glick: I really don't know what to say |
02:39.53 | Dhraakellian | or ask someone with some 3.1.94 experience |
02:39.59 | Dhraakellian | or knowledge |
02:40.00 | annma | glick: did you try generating another pair of keys? |
02:40.13 | annma | just to test it |
02:40.40 | glick | annma, no, i have been using my keys for a long time |
02:40.57 | glick | they worked fine in suse 8.2 as well as slack 9.0 and 9.1 |
02:41.02 | annma | just an idea, just for test, you don't publish it or anything |
02:41.18 | glick | annma, kmail seems to be able to encrypt fine |
02:41.33 | annma | just to set up KMail with a different key to see if it's a setting matter ot soemthing else |
02:41.46 | aljosa | anyone here using 3.1.94 and uses latin2 chars? |
02:41.47 | annma | so it just doe not sign? |
02:42.48 | glick | annma, it signs, and checks the signature fine |
02:43.00 | glick | just cant decrypt messages |
02:43.09 | annma | you said it never signs the mails |
02:43.18 | annma | can't decrypt? |
02:43.23 | glick | yes |
02:43.40 | glick | reason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data. |
02:43.41 | glick | Error: No error. |
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02:51.18 | BorgQueen | Hello |
02:52.51 | BorgQueen | Anyone here? |
02:53.32 | BorgQueen | Anyone know anything about burning video dvd and dvds in general using k3b? |
02:58.04 | annma | glick: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html |
02:58.18 | annma | try to see here if you can find something |
02:58.36 | BorgQueen | Me? (and Hello annma ) |
02:58.44 | annma | hi BorgQueen |
02:58.50 | annma | it's for glick |
02:58.56 | BorgQueen | oh ok |
02:59.04 | annma | I know nothing about dvd burning unfortunately |
02:59.09 | annma | :( |
02:59.27 | BorgQueen | Rats. Hey I did figure out how to copy an audio cd made with k3b |
02:59.30 | glick | annma, thanks ill check it out |
03:00.09 | annma | you could reinstall the plugin from source |
03:00.28 | annma | do you know how to compile from source? |
03:02.09 | Hymie | ok, not doable with imwheel |
03:02.34 | BorgQueen | Hymie as in the robot from Get Smart? |
03:02.35 | Hymie | annma: do you know if the kde you're using accepts mouse buttons for input in keyboard shortcuts? |
03:02.46 | Hymie | BorgQueen: yes ;) |
03:03.03 | BorgQueen | Kool |
03:03.11 | BorgQueen | I love that program |
03:03.28 | Hymie | it was quite funny, to be sure ;) |
03:03.37 | BorgQueen | In deed |
03:04.13 | BorgQueen | lol |
03:04.27 | annma | Hymie: yes, i am looking |
03:04.39 | annma | it does not work in Keyboard shortcut |
03:04.55 | BorgQueen | Hymie show here some leg, she likes that |
03:05.17 | annma | but KHotKeys has something to set all mouse buttons |
03:06.00 | annma | it's called gestures |
03:06.40 | BorgQueen | oh |
03:07.20 | Hymie | really? |
03:07.24 | Hymie | hmm |
03:07.43 | Hymie | must be 3.2 only |
03:08.17 | Hymie | wait |
03:08.20 | Hymie | I do see it |
03:08.21 | Hymie | hmm |
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03:15.38 | Hymie | hmm |
03:15.43 | Hymie | doesn't seem to really do much |
03:15.46 | Hymie | or have any documentation ;) |
03:16.07 | annma | well, even in 3.2 it's not very much finished |
03:16.25 | annma | I don't use it because it says you must know what you do |
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03:16.36 | annma | and usually I don't know what I do |
03:16.50 | Hymie | annma: doh, and bah ;) |
03:16.59 | annma | ;) |
03:17.11 | Hymie | CTalk: GO TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE! WE KNOW ABOUT YOUR KIND HERE!!!! |
03:17.21 | Hymie | CTalk: ANNMA IS VERY UPSET AT YOU! |
03:17.27 | annma | hey! |
03:17.30 | CTalk | :S |
03:17.32 | annma | wthell? |
03:17.42 | annma | I am not upset |
03:17.48 | annma | hi CTalk |
03:17.50 | Hymie | Hello, my name is Hymie |
03:17.54 | CTalk | hymie this is just a test connection from a clanlib test app |
03:17.58 | annma | hi my name is ann |
03:18.00 | annma | ma |
03:18.02 | Hymie | CTalk: don't look at me, she made me say it |
03:18.04 | CTalk | hello annma |
03:18.10 | Hymie | CTalk: been begging me to say that all night! |
03:18.11 | CTalk | haha |
03:18.21 | BorgQueen | What's all the yelling? |
03:18.23 | annma | lol |
03:18.47 | annma | I don't know, BorgQueen, THEY ARE JUST A BIT EDGY |
03:18.47 | CTalk | well |
03:18.47 | CTalk | its 4:18 here |
03:18.58 | CTalk | going to bed |
03:18.59 | annma | the cat put the cpas |
03:19.00 | BorgQueen | Boys! |
03:19.03 | annma | caps |
03:19.14 | annma | CTalk: nice to have been meeting you |
03:19.16 | Hymie | annma: videotron!! what are you doing in quebec! |
03:19.20 | annma | lol |
03:19.22 | Hymie | annma: that's not allowed! |
03:19.25 | annma | hmmm |
03:19.36 | annma | lol |
03:19.43 | annma | where are you based? |
03:19.55 | Hymie | from bash type "whois l8r.net" ;) |
03:20.10 | annma | I want you to say it |
03:20.14 | Hymie | heh |
03:20.14 | Hymie | Hull |
03:20.38 | annma | Hull? |
03:20.41 | Hymie | yes |
03:20.44 | Hymie | it is a wonderous place |
03:20.53 | Hymie | merely because I live here, but hey ;) |
03:20.53 | annma | but, where is Hull? |
03:20.59 | annma | what country |
03:21.03 | Hymie | I can smell the stench from Parliment hill |
03:21.10 | annma | a great country, no doubt |
03:21.18 | annma | ah |
03:21.28 | annma | all right! |
03:21.32 | Hymie | well, when the wind blows this way, that is ;) |
03:21.36 | annma | lol |
03:22.43 | Hymie | Montreal, eh? |
03:22.44 | Hymie | hmm |
03:22.55 | Hymie | at least the whois says so |
03:23.10 | Hymie | you poor, poor person |
03:23.12 | Hymie | I thought of moving there |
03:23.26 | Hymie | and then I saw that you can't get out of the city, without driving for approximately 32.4 hours |
03:24.14 | annma | I lived in the UK before |
03:24.22 | Hymie | annma: don't make fun of my fishcam ;) |
03:24.25 | annma | Montreal is very small |
03:24.34 | Hymie | annma: yes, but there are 23423423 bridges |
03:24.35 | annma | yea? |
03:24.47 | Hymie | annma: hard to get out of the city quick.. |
03:24.48 | annma | yes and the traffic is awful, I reckon |
03:25.09 | annma | yes, I spend my life driving around |
03:25.10 | Hymie | ffs |
03:25.13 | annma | on icy roads |
03:25.15 | Hymie | does anyone else feel they are in a timewarp |
03:25.34 | BorgQueen | timewarp? My machine is working hehehehehe! |
03:25.36 | Hymie | I think that CSIS has woven an area of slowed spacetime around my apartment |
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03:25.40 | annma | define timewarp |
03:25.43 | Hymie | to keep my scheming to a minimum |
03:25.55 | Hymie | it seems that an hour goes by in about 10 minutes ;) |
03:26.03 | glick | i did what the site told me to do and still the same problem |
03:26.12 | annma | it always does when it's good time |
03:26.15 | Hymie | BorgQueen: heh |
03:26.25 | annma | glick: no!!!!! |
03:26.47 | annma | glick: do you have the crypto plugin in kmail configure dialog? |
03:26.53 | glick | annma, yeah |
03:27.16 | annma | and you cannot decrypt the mail? |
03:27.23 | glick | gpgme-openpgp.so |
03:27.27 | glick | annma, no i can not |
03:27.50 | glick | Content could *not* be decrypted. |
03:27.50 | glick | reason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data. |
03:27.50 | glick | Error: No error. |
03:27.50 | glick | proposal:Make sure the plug-in is installed properly and check your specifications made in the 'Settings->Configure KMail->Security' dialog. |
03:29.29 | annma | glick: can you decrypt it with command in a terminal? |
03:29.36 | glick | annma, |
03:29.38 | glick | yeah i can |
03:29.44 | glick | annma, kmail doesnt even ask for a password |
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03:34.01 | BorgQueen | I love Linux, while chatting I just backed up 23 GBs of data to my second hd |
03:34.59 | annma | glick: I guess that something's wrong in your kmail |
03:35.16 | annma | BorgQueen: nice indeed |
03:38.31 | Hymie | BorgQueen: 23 GBs.. that's nothing.. when I was your age, we used to backup a few terabytes while eating our breakfast! |
03:39.26 | BorgQueen | I'm 440 yo |
03:39.50 | jesusfish | question...my cd burner doesn't show up for my normal user after I've run the setup...what permission would be missing? |
03:40.03 | BorgQueen | What distro? |
03:40.09 | BorgQueen | What apps too |
03:40.12 | jesusfish | BoChi: debian |
03:40.23 | jesusfish | BorgQueen: oh yeah....k3b |
03:40.25 | BorgQueen | Hmm not familiar with that |
03:40.59 | BorgQueen | Ok, did you set it up so the "burn" group was your user? If not, did you add your user to the burn group |
03:41.23 | jesusfish | BorgQueen: yeah...it used group cdrecording, and I checked to make sure the user is in that group |
03:41.25 | BorgQueen | Its always best to assign your user as the "burn" group, if you're the only user. |
03:41.45 | BorgQueen | Try changing it so the burn groups is your user. |
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03:47.57 | Deadkitty | Is there a KDE browser that uses the Mozilla html rendering engine? |
03:49.28 | jesusfish | BorgQueen: did that, still no luck |
03:50.26 | jesusfish | BorgQueen: funny thing is this: with the normal user, it lists the burner in the reader section |
03:51.28 | BorgQueen | Ah, maybe you didn't set it up correctly. did you choose a generic mmc as the driver? |
03:51.56 | jesusfish | BorgQueen: yeah |
03:52.13 | BorgQueen | Hmm that's odd, what make is the burner? |
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03:52.24 | jesusfish | Cyberdrive |
03:53.42 | BorgQueen | That's a good brand, very standardized |
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03:56.51 | BorgQueen | wb |
03:57.18 | annma | ;) I closed by mistake |
04:01.35 | BorgQueen | lol |
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04:10.50 | ShockValue | hi all.. im havin some trouble with JuK.. if i start it from CLI it gives me this: mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding |
04:11.08 | ShockValue | then pops up the KDE crash handler and dumps out. |
04:11.11 | ShockValue | any suggestions? |
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04:11.53 | BorgQueen | I've seen that before but could never figure it out. |
04:12.15 | pjv | is there a way to get rid of the Trash Can on the desktop permanently? |
04:12.18 | BorgQueen | Have you tried removing any .rc file it may have? |
04:12.41 | BorgQueen | Why do you want to do that? |
04:13.11 | pjv | BorgQueen: Cause i dont like it |
04:13.49 | BorgQueen | You could reassign yourt |
04:14.00 | BorgQueen | Your trash location |
04:14.07 | pjv | ? |
04:18.01 | BorgQueen | From the desktop config, you can change the path from /home/usr/trash to say /tmp/usr/trash (assuming you have permission) and then delete the trash bin off your desktop |
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04:20.23 | pjv | i'll give it a shot. |
04:20.25 | pjv | brb |
04:22.33 | BorgQueen | Good day or night to all |
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04:23.55 | ShockValue | doh! doesnt JuK support Flac? |
04:26.07 | Deadkitty | I think it only supports mp3s |
04:26.38 | ShockValue | very bummer |
04:27.13 | Deadkitty | I could be wrong |
04:30.19 | pjv | damn it's hard to have a decent font setup |
04:33.36 | ShockValue | well, i cant seem to get it to see my flac files, so your at least partially right :/ |
04:35.53 | Deadkitty | I got my fonts to look pretty good |
04:35.57 | Deadkitty | but I tried mozilla and it looks like shite |
04:42.21 | pjv | Deadkitty: for General which fonts do you use?? |
04:42.55 | Deadkitty | I use the 100dpi fonts, plus I also got the Microsoft true type fonts |
04:43.18 | pjv | and also for Fixed, Toolbar,Menu, Window Title, Taskbar, and Desktop |
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04:47.46 | pjv | Deadkitty: i placed the MS TTF in the XF86Config file and other fonts aswell. Is that how you loaded them up? |
04:48.24 | pjv | damn splits |
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04:49.07 | pjv | what is up with fnode |
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04:52.43 | glick | hey does anyone here use kmail with gpg? |
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04:55.59 | pjv | Deadkitty: you there? |
04:56.04 | Deadkitty | yeah |
04:56.11 | Deadkitty | I used this guide to make my fonts look nice :http://www.tldp.org/tldp-redirect.php?url=/HOWTO/mini/FDU/index.html |
04:56.24 | Deadkitty | actually use this one : http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/FDU/index.html |
05:09.01 | pjv | cheers |
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06:35.20 | kijutsu | How do I go about getting rid of themes I've isntalled? |
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06:50.38 | chealer | Hi, I found a page showing Linux equivalents to Windows applications recently. Of course I can't remember the URI now except I think it ended by .ru, is anyone aware of that? |
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06:59.41 | kijutsu | Is there a command built into KDE to purge all non-standard icons, addons, programs, themes, etc? |
07:03.02 | chealer | note to self : http://linuxshop.ru |
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07:17.05 | Vexer` | QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
07:17.15 | Vexer` | i keep getting that error when I do "kinstalltheme" |
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08:46.00 | glick | hey does anyone here use kmail with gpg? |
09:07.02 | sarah03 | Hmph. Does anyone have a clue why I can't seem to make Q[VBox|HBox|Box]Layout, KMainWindow, and KXMLGUI[Client|Builder] cooperate? If I make use of KMainWindow::createGUI(const QString&) within my code, I can' |
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10:44.46 | paloris_J | can some one help me with kde |
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12:06.33 | silver_hook | hello |
12:06.38 | silver_hook | does anyone know if JuK *needs* Arts? |
12:06.43 | silver_hook | and wether SB 128 PCI has HW mixing (so i can stop using arts) |
12:07.33 | silver_hook | i have to kill artsd everytime if i want to run epsxe :( |
12:09.13 | silver_hook | or do you think epsxe could run with artsdsp -m ? |
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12:10.43 | silver_hook | nope ...not it :/ |
12:10.55 | silver_hook | artsdsp -m doesn't solve it :( |
12:11.05 | silver_hook | heeeelp ;( |
12:11.07 | sarah03 | silver_hook: I don't know if it supports hardware mixing, but you could point arts at /dev/adsp0 instead of /dev/dsp0. |
12:11.30 | silver_hook | hmmm ...and this would help what? |
12:11.37 | silver_hook | using another dsp device as the others? |
12:12.18 | sarah03 | I've got an ES1371 in my system here, pointing arts at /dev/adsp0 lets me do other things which want to hog /dev/dsp0 for themselves without having to kill arts every time I want to run them (like NWN...) |
12:12.37 | silver_hook | aha |
12:13.25 | silver_hook | and how do i point arts to there? |
12:13.36 | silver_hook | btw: there's no such device on my install :/ |
12:14.39 | sarah03 | Hm. You can make it with 'mknod /dev/adsp0 c 14 12' on a linux box, don't know about anything else. |
12:15.51 | silver_hook | and that's safe? |
12:15.59 | sarah03 | To point it there, open up the "Sound System" control center module, and on the hardware tab, set the audio device type to "Open Sound System" and override the device location to /dev/adsp0 |
12:17.21 | sarah03 | I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be. |
12:18.45 | silver_hook | sarah03: hmmm, did that, xmms (ran with artsdsp) crashes, i killed it ...no sound :/ |
12:19.03 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:20.20 | silver_hook | works now |
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12:20.26 | silver_hook | i had the I/O set to "auto" ...set it to "OSS", reset artsd ...works :] |
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12:21.06 | sarah03 | :) |
12:21.37 | silver_hook | and now for the big test: does epsxe now run with artsdsp |
12:22.13 | silver_hook | nope |
12:22.20 | sarah03 | Shouldn't need to run it with artsdsp now. |
12:22.32 | silver_hook | oh? really? |
12:22.35 | silver_hook | ...how's that? |
12:22.41 | sarah03 | Since /dev/dsp0 isn't in use by arts. |
12:23.03 | silver_hook | aha |
12:23.15 | silver_hook | but it still doesn't work :/ |
12:23.27 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:24.04 | sarah03 | What does 'fuser /dev/dsp0' have to say? |
12:24.53 | silver_hook | for /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp it says 19050 |
12:25.01 | silver_hook | for /dev/dsp1 and /dev/sound/dsp1 it says nothing |
12:25.07 | silver_hook | that's the only dsp i have |
12:25.15 | silver_hook | except the new adsp0 |
12:25.18 | sarah03 | What's pid 19050? |
12:25.44 | silver_hook | artsd |
12:25.54 | silver_hook | :/ |
12:25.58 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:26.11 | sarah03 | What's running against /dev/adsp0 right now? |
12:26.18 | silver_hook | fuser says nothing |
12:27.13 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:27.53 | sarah03 | The hardware tab in the sound system module says OSS on /dev/adsp0? |
12:27.58 | silver_hook | what's the "network transparency" in aRTS? |
12:28.18 | silver_hook | I/O is set to OSS |
12:29.13 | silver_hook | and the only other thing here turned on is the second box with the device set to /dev/adsp0 |
12:29.17 | sarah03 | I think network transparency for arts is rather like network transparency for X. |
12:29.24 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:30.23 | silver_hook | (sorry, i have to translate my kde from my language in english) |
12:31.33 | silver_hook | what does the "full two-way operation" setting do? |
12:31.51 | sarah03 | "Full duplex"? |
12:32.08 | silver_hook | could be ...it's the first box under I/O |
12:32.11 | sarah03 | Means you can have an application that uses both the input and output simultaneously. |
12:32.22 | sarah03 | *nod* |
12:33.36 | silver_hook | mhm ...do i need that? |
12:33.48 | silver_hook | god, i feel such a noobie :] |
12:34.03 | sarah03 | Shouldn't need it. |
12:34.21 | sarah03 | http://b0rked.dhs.org/~sarah/kcontrolcenter.jpg <-- That's how I've got mine set up. |
12:35.06 | silver_hook | aha ...that looks WAY different then mine ...you've got 3.2? |
12:35.28 | sarah03 | 3.2b1, I would imagine... 3.1.93 according to the version number. |
12:35.49 | sarah03 | I can't imagine that the sound system module would be terribly different between 3.1 and 3.2 though. |
12:36.21 | silver_hook | well, you've got Genaral and Hardware tabs |
12:36.38 | silver_hook | i've got tons of those: aRTS, I/O, Mixer, MIDI |
12:36.43 | sarah03 | Ah. |
12:36.44 | silver_hook | looks a lot more scattered :] |
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12:36.58 | sarah03 | I could imagine how that might be a bit more scattered. :) |
12:37.19 | silver_hook | but the settigns look ok ...no idea why it won't work |
12:37.34 | silver_hook | ...maybe the permissions for /dev/adsp0 aren't right |
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12:37.50 | fastviper | hello |
12:37.57 | silver_hook | hi |
12:38.14 | fastviper | can I ask a question about compilling kde 3.1.94 ? |
12:38.43 | silver_hook | sarah03: what's your permissions for the /dev/adsp0 ? |
12:38.44 | fastviper | (assumming yes after 30s timeout) |
12:39.02 | sarah03 | silver_hook: 600 sarah/users |
12:39.03 | silver_hook | i'd love to help, but i'm still at 3.1.4 :/ |
12:39.19 | fastviper | do I need kde-i18n to have messages in my language ? |
12:39.35 | fastviper | if so, how do I use kde-i18n files ? |
12:39.54 | silver_hook | sarah03: i think i've got it |
12:41.31 | silver_hook | fastviper: you'd have to set the LINGUAS="" flag for your language code (e.x.: fr - french, de - german) ...but what to do next, i don't remember :] |
12:41.59 | fastviper | silver_hook: but do I copy those files somewhere into kdelibs source tree ? |
12:42.34 | fastviper | or just set LINGUAS and configure && make && make install ? |
12:42.47 | fastviper | (dont' know how gettext works sadly) |
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12:44.12 | sarah03 | fastviper: I think the way it works is: cd kde-i18n/[your language] && ./configure [stuff] && make install, once you have the rest of KDE installed. |
12:44.23 | silver_hook | hmmm i think it should work with just compiling, but i'm not really sure |
12:44.29 | fastviper | oh, _rest_ ! |
12:44.41 | fastviper | that's something new, thank you |
12:44.44 | sarah03 | I wouldn't know for certain because I've never had to install other languages on my system. |
12:45.20 | fastviper | btw: is building kde with -fno-rtti wise ? |
12:46.07 | sarah03 | I don't think KDE uses dynamic_cast<>, and I know that it doesn't use exceptions, which are the 2 primary uses of having RTTI avaliable, so I imagine it's fine. |
12:46.32 | silver_hook | sarah03: i set the permissions and ownerships to matija:audio 600 as the other dsp device(s) ...but it still uses the /dev/dsp :( |
12:46.50 | fastviper | nice, so my favourite cxxflags: -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-rtti again rule ;-) |
12:48.14 | drWorm | -O9 -fomot-instructions ;) |
12:48.16 | sarah03 | silver_hook: Hm. Is it the same instance of artsd using that DSP device? |
12:48.52 | sarah03 | If so, you might have to kill it and let KDE restart it the next time it tries using the audio device. |
12:48.59 | fastviper | drWorm: ;-) |
12:48.59 | silver_hook | sarah03: arts still uses the /dev/dsp :/ |
12:49.29 | fastviper | drWorm: -finline-functions-all |
12:49.37 | silver_hook | sarah03: i'm killing it on a minutely basis!!! |
12:49.39 | drWorm | wohoo |
12:49.46 | sarah03 | Hm. |
12:50.04 | fastviper | drWorm: -fexpensive-optimizations |
12:50.26 | fastviper | drWorm: makes actually sense on P4 with 2MB L2 ;> |
12:50.37 | drWorm | hehe |
12:50.57 | silver_hook | sarah03: it still uses /dev/dsp ;( |
12:51.35 | silver_hook | only there's no artsd using it but xmms(es) instead :r |
12:52.13 | silver_hook | if i stop xmms (not kill) then there's nothing using /dev/dsp |
12:52.29 | sarah03 | Ok... try doing something in KDE that makes noise? |
12:52.32 | silver_hook | but also nothing's using /dev/adsp0 |
12:52.48 | silver_hook | switching desktops is silent :/ |
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12:53.35 | silver_hook | but epsxe works - no wonder, there's no artsd |
12:53.39 | sarah03 | Hm. Try pointing it at /dev/dsp1 then, since the other thing I noticed is that it looks kind of like you're running devfs. |
12:53.46 | silver_hook | ...i like kde sounds :( |
12:54.05 | silver_hook | yes i do |
12:54.18 | silver_hook | what difference does devfs do? |
12:54.31 | fastviper | naming scheme of devices is changed |
12:54.41 | sarah03 | I wouldn't be terribly suprised if instead of giving you dsp0 and adsp0, it gave you dsp0 and dsp1 |
12:54.47 | silver_hook | oh, ok :) |
12:55.02 | silver_hook | nope, it's just dsp and dsp1 ..i told you |
12:55.10 | silver_hook | k |
12:55.19 | silver_hook | changed it, system sounds work |
12:55.26 | silver_hook | xmms works |
12:55.55 | silver_hook | epsxe works :S |
12:55.56 | silver_hook | :D |
12:56.14 | silver_hook | you're a great gal, sarah!! :D |
12:56.15 | silver_hook | thanks |
12:56.22 | sarah03 | :) |
12:56.26 | sarah03 | Not a problem. |
12:56.53 | silver_hook | while i'm at it ...is there a way to force a window to open always at the same position? |
12:58.18 | sarah03 | system->advanced->store window settings does it for me. |
12:58.32 | sarah03 | At least, it seems to. |
12:58.52 | silver_hook | mozilla, xmms and so on work ok |
12:59.00 | silver_hook | when it comes to positioning |
12:59.34 | sarah03 | Of course, I've also got all of one thing running that isn't running maximized, and that's kopete. |
12:59.39 | silver_hook | but epsxe opens up first a little window and when you run a CD then opens a new bigger one - and that one's the one i want to force :/ |
13:01.06 | silver_hook | also should i run mozilla and xmms now without arts or still with it? (mozilla and xmms are up all the time) |
13:02.08 | sarah03 | Mozilla doesn't play sound AFAIK (at least, I've never heard it do so...); xmms doesn't specifically need it, nor does it really matter one way or another unless you don't want to be bothered with mucking around with it when you want do do other things. |
13:02.45 | silver_hook | also i'm thinking of giving konqueror another try as a browser ...is the 3.2 version really that improved? |
13:04.00 | silver_hook | btw: mozilla itself doesn't use sound, but flash and implemented movies do |
13:04.04 | sarah03 | I'm not the most pleased with it as a browser, but that's mostly because I've effectively been running Mozilla as my browser for long enough that it doesn't bother me... Konqueror, at least in the release I'm using, still has some nasty rendering issues on my own site. |
13:04.31 | silver_hook | hmmm ...like what? |
13:04.34 | sarah03 | Ah, that would explain it. I don't have flash installed (mostly because until Macromedia releases a flash plugin built with gcc-3.3.x, I can't install it.) |
13:06.00 | sarah03 | Mostly it's choice of fonts is hideous, but half the time the menu that I've got set up on the right side of the page doesn't want to expand and contract appropriately. |
13:06.16 | silver_hook | can't wait for SVG to become a real standard |
13:07.05 | silver_hook | i've got a similar problem with a page i made and IE (and some older mozilla, they say) |
13:09.13 | sarah03 | http://b0rked.dhs.org/ .. IE likes it mostly fine (excepting the 'position: fixed;' stuff, which I've written specific overrides to take care of IE), Mozilla and Opera 7.x deal with it flawlessly... maybe the reason I'm not too pleased with Konqueror is that I've already configured the living hell out of Mozilla so that it's comfortable. |
13:10.22 | winjer | anyone use korganiser and kpilot with calendar files stored on remote ftp servers? |
13:10.29 | fastviper | sarah03: I use flash from macromedia with mozilla build with gcc-3.3 - what's your problem ? |
13:10.45 | sarah03 | fastviper: If I install it, mozilla won't start any longer. |
13:10.56 | sarah03 | Once I uninstall it, Mozilla starts fine. |
13:11.09 | fastviper | sarah03: maybe you have mozilla build witj 2.95 |
13:11.12 | fastviper | with |
13:11.13 | silver_hook | sarah03: here's my troublemaker: http://treecastle.sf.net |
13:11.38 | sarah03 | Not that I'm bothered by not having flash support in Mozilla; in fact, considering that 99% of the flash that I see is advertising, I'm just fine with it not being there. |
13:12.07 | fastviper | arent' you annoyed by window popping up, saying: install flash plugin! |
13:12.14 | fastviper | ? |
13:12.20 | fastviper | i'd be ;) |
13:12.52 | sarah03 | A little. But that's easy enough to deal with. |
13:13.09 | fastviper | without clicking ? how ? |
13:14.21 | sarah03 | Press 'esc' |
13:14.34 | fastviper | oh, ok |
13:14.53 | fastviper | wouldn't it be simplier to just build mozilla with 3.3 ? :) |
13:15.04 | fastviper | (i can build it for you if you want) |
13:15.31 | sarah03 | That's what mozilla is built with. |
13:16.07 | fastviper | and you use flash player 6 ? |
13:16.12 | fastviper | from www.macromedia.com ? |
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13:16.39 | sarah03 | I don't use flash... the last time I went to macromedia's site to download the flash plugin, I installed it and restarted Mozilla, only to have it go into some sort of endless loop on startup. |
13:16.56 | iamtheBoTW | hi all!!! :) (i am not a bot, dont kickme ok? :)) |
13:17.25 | sarah03 | As I said, I could really care less about having it installed, as I don't want to see most things that are done in flash, and if there really IS something I want to see that's done in flash, I'll borrow the machine next to me or start VMware. |
13:17.25 | minux | iamtheBoTW: 10.22*2321 |
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13:17.52 | iamtheBoTW | flash sucks, in any OS in any thime... is almost shitty as ActiveX from M$ |
13:18.16 | fastviper | flash is the best presentation technology after pdf |
13:18.20 | fastviper | it's just abused |
13:18.25 | fastviper | that what sux |
13:18.29 | minux | i agree with fastviper |
13:18.30 | iamtheBoTW | mmm well thats true |
13:18.32 | sarah03 | Abused is an understatement. |
13:18.35 | iamtheBoTW | yea i agree too |
13:18.37 | sarah03 | That's why I can't be bothered to install it. |
13:18.59 | fastviper | sarah03: take my apologise then |
13:19.01 | sarah03 | Granted, every ad I see in Mozilla, I happily right-click on and say "Block images from this server" |
13:19.08 | silver_hook | :S |
13:19.31 | fastviper | yeah, but mozilla crashes when I right-click on flash :) |
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13:19.47 | sarah03 | Yet another reason for me to not install it. :) |
13:19.47 | iamtheBoTW | i hate when a .swf file for "hi, skip presentation" is loaded... 100kb just to say "click here" god!! |
13:19.49 | silver_hook | fastviper: and i guess it's mozilla's fault :] |
13:19.59 | fastviper | silver_hook: i don't know |
13:20.11 | iamtheBoTW | use konqueror is much nice browser :P |
13:20.25 | fastviper | konqueror doesn't render properly ;P |
13:20.32 | iamtheBoTW | mmm i see |
13:20.39 | silver_hook | i don't like flash either ...but some things made in it are fun ...as an idea i think it's ok, as an actual implementation it's pretty borked |
13:20.47 | sarah03 | It does sometimes. Depends on what CSS features you're trying to make use of. |
13:20.55 | fastviper | and does not understand 'font-family: courier new' |
13:21.16 | sarah03 | That's because, technically, it should read 'font-family: "Courier New";' |
13:21.24 | iamtheBoTW | i dont know, but pages look bether in konq than in moz (at least on my screen) |
13:21.36 | fastviper | sarah03: wow! nice trick :) |
13:21.42 | silver_hook | i agree with iamtheBoTW on this onw |
13:21.44 | silver_hook | one |
13:22.02 | silver_hook | ...but konqueror still does have some quirks :/ |
13:22.19 | fastviper | konqueror is faster than mozilla - that's one think I like in it ;) |
13:22.23 | sarah03 | I typically find that stuff out of Mozilla looks better for the most part, but that's probably got something to do with my configuring Mozilla and not bothering with konqueror. |
13:22.52 | sarah03 | Hm. They take the same amount of time to load for me (and I've got konqueror set to preload), and Mozilla seems to render just as fast. |
13:22.56 | silver_hook | sarah03: yea, i think it's the "not bothering" bit |
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13:23.11 | fastviper | whole kde is a bloat when loading |
13:23.23 | silver_hook | i was very happy with konqueror when i set it up correctly ...now i just didn't bother (yet) |
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13:23.24 | iamtheBoTW | also is more configurable, and the best... i will not shit on you, when konq crashes to tell you "Make a new profile, that one is already in use" that is the most shitty stuff in mozilla |
13:23.37 | fastviper | one just needs qt recompiled with -Os <- biggest performance |
13:23.58 | fastviper | s/biggest/highest/ |
13:25.06 | silver_hook | fastviper: so -Os is basically just a link to the most appropriate -O#? |
13:25.55 | sarah03 | -Os is "optimize for size" |
13:26.35 | silver_hook | okeey, thanks again sarah03, i've always wondered about the -Os |
13:26.55 | silver_hook | -O2 works just fine with my athlon-tbird (-O3 doesn't!!) |
13:27.35 | sarah03 | I don't typically bother with -O3, -O2 is typically more than enough for my purposes. |
13:28.19 | silver_hook | well, i was tricked into using -O3 once :] ...didn't really go well |
13:28.22 | minux | whats for a pentium II at 366 MHz ? |
13:29.13 | silver_hook | minux: the -O flag isn't dependand on the architecture like that ...it just gives different results for each arch. |
13:29.27 | fastviper | silver_hook: no |
13:29.42 | fastviper | silver_hook: it is -O2 without options than enlarge code |
13:29.51 | minux | ok |
13:29.54 | fastviper | silver_hook: it is also a way to produce smallest possible code |
13:30.01 | silver_hook | -O3 makes the most use of architecture's and thus makes larger binary |
13:30.12 | silver_hook | that's what i was told :/ |
13:30.17 | fastviper | silver_hook: it is the _slowest_ option |
13:30.21 | sarah03 | The -On flag gives the same results for each architecture, unless you combine it with -march=xxx. |
13:30.35 | fastviper | sarah03: that's kinda obvius :) |
13:30.43 | fastviper | i use -march=athlon-xp |
13:30.44 | fastviper | :) |
13:31.10 | fastviper | -Os for example codes 'xor eax, eax' instead of 'move eax, 0' |
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13:31.17 | fastviper | because it's smaller |
13:31.25 | fastviper | and doesn't use system bus |
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13:31.48 | fastviper | -os tries hard to produce smallest possible binary |
13:31.59 | fastviper | it makes no sense on oggenc for example |
13:32.00 | silver_hook | yea, i understand that part |
13:32.08 | fastviper | but makes BIG sense with Qt |
13:32.11 | fastviper | and kde |
13:32.16 | silver_hook | OOo and so on |
13:32.18 | fastviper | which are bloated C++ |
13:32.48 | silver_hook | but how do the -O1 -O2 -O3 work then? |
13:33.01 | fastviper | gradually optimize for _speed_ |
13:33.10 | fastviper | assuming _unlimited_ L2 cache |
13:33.32 | fastviper | -Os is for those that know why fitting loop into L2 is importand |
13:33.41 | silver_hook | i was told the higher the number the more arch-dependand calls it uses, but usually that means the binary gets bigger |
13:33.53 | fastviper | no that's not true |
13:34.05 | fastviper | -O3 tries to make code fast |
13:34.10 | fastviper | and it is fast |
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13:34.16 | silver_hook | ...but? |
13:34.25 | fastviper | but when you dont fit into L2 it is _slower_ |
13:34.37 | silver_hook | and HOW does it try to make it faster? |
13:34.41 | fastviper | because system bus <-> memory <-> cpu communication is slow |
13:34.43 | sarah03 | silver_hook: No, that's just the more optimizations it does for speed over size (see also most of the -f* flags for GCC); -Os gives up some of the speed optimizations to make the code smaller. |
13:35.00 | fastviper | almost ;) |
13:35.12 | fastviper | -Os codes smallest possible opcodes |
13:35.15 | iamtheBoTW | god!!! i hate light cig... i always smoke the filter in one... $%^&*( |
13:35.20 | fastviper | doesn't align also! |
13:35.30 | minux | iamtheBoTW: smoking is bad .... !!!! ;) |
13:35.40 | iamtheBoTW | yea, and smoking the filter is worst :( |
13:35.46 | silver_hook | mhm ...so the best idea's to use -O2 for most, and -Os for big packages? |
13:35.58 | fastviper | kinda :) |
13:36.04 | fastviper | i use -Os for all |
13:36.10 | fastviper | except math C programs |
13:36.23 | silver_hook | :D |
13:36.43 | fastviper | -march=athlon-xp -Os -s -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -fno-common -mfpmath=sse -msse -mmmx -m3dnow -DNDEBUG -DG_DISABLE_ASSERT |
13:36.50 | fastviper | my CXXFLAGS |
13:37.08 | sarah03 | I might as well be running gentoo, but instead I'm running tattered remnants of SuSE 7.1. |
13:37.29 | minux | SLACKWARE!!! |
13:37.29 | silver_hook | meaning? portage put over SuSE? |
13:37.40 | silver_hook | yea, i miss slack a bit sometimes... |
13:37.43 | silver_hook | ...SOMEtimes |
13:37.46 | minux | hehe |
13:37.53 | sarah03 | silver_hook: Meaning I've manually built damn near everything myself, except for the libc. |
13:38.02 | fastviper | :) |
13:38.14 | sarah03 | You can still find bits and pieces of the system which are from the original installation, but not a whole hell of a lot. |
13:38.14 | silver_hook | sarah03: ow :) |
13:38.36 | sarah03 | KDE 3.1.93 took a while to build. |
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13:39.54 | sarah03 | Of course, that's probably because I spent the time building it with gcc-3.3.1. |
13:40.09 | silver_hook | :] |
13:40.24 | fastviper | i have given --enable-final option to configure ;) |
13:40.39 | fastviper | hope kdelibs got buld before evening :) |
13:40.46 | fastviper | s/got/get/ |
13:41.26 | silver_hook | --enable-final ? |
13:41.27 | sarah03 | I built it on a dual celeron. Then that box decided it was going to throw fits at me, so I stuffed the hardware back onto my athlon 800 motherboard and called it good. |
13:42.06 | fastviper | silver_hook: --enable-final build size optimized apps (experimental - needs lots of memory) |
13:42.47 | fastviper | silver_hook: this is kdelibs option |
13:43.01 | fastviper | make 2109,40s user 92,09s system 96% cpu 38:09,62 total |
13:43.05 | fastviper | WHOA! ;) |
13:43.11 | fastviper | (kdelibs) |
13:43.19 | sarah03 | Size optimized because it can tie everything together during the compile stage instead of during the link stage. |
13:43.34 | fastviper | means what for me ? :) |
13:44.55 | sarah03 | libkdecore.so has to be position independent for it to not take up even more memory than it already does, for example; the compiler can generate better size-optimized code when it knows what ALL of the code is instead of getting each bit as a single file. |
13:45.51 | silver_hook | anyhoo, i'm off |
13:45.59 | iamtheBoTW | which page should i check for this invaluable info?? gcc? |
13:46.01 | silver_hook | thanks for all the help guys ...and gals |
13:46.24 | sarah03 | The compiler has more of an opportunity to analyze the code and do things like eliminate some bits of position independence because it already knows how X is going to relate to Y before the code ever gets to needing to be linked together. |
13:47.25 | fastviper | so the code might be smaller and more efficient ? |
13:48.32 | fastviper | uh... new kdelibs take 1.6MB and old (3.1.4) 1.3MB |
13:48.45 | fastviper | that is no-good |
13:48.56 | fastviper | what can be the cause ? |
13:48.59 | silver_hook | bye |
13:49.28 | sarah03 | Probably because there's more stuff in KDE 3.2? |
13:49.49 | fastviper | ok, now install :) |
13:50.09 | sarah03 | libkdecore.so.4.2.0 (which is from 3.1.93) takes 2.5M for me. |
13:50.20 | fastviper | wow :) |
13:50.32 | fastviper | you see now why -Os rule :) |
13:50.36 | sarah03 | And it's not highly optimized. |
13:50.43 | sarah03 | Not terribly worried about it... |
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13:51.03 | sarah03 | I highly doubt any speed difference is going to be all that perceptible to me. |
13:51.35 | fastviper | well, i doubt it also |
13:51.35 | sarah03 | Excepting the fact that, for performance, KDE tramples Windows. But that's a given. |
13:51.49 | sarah03 | I've also got the memory in my system to not be worried about it. |
13:52.08 | sarah03 | :) |
13:52.37 | fastviper | i've got only 256MB |
13:52.46 | minux | i have 128 ;) |
13:53.00 | sarah03 | I've got 896M. |
13:53.11 | minux | damn you ;) |
13:53.11 | fastviper | nice :) |
13:53.22 | minux | sarah03: quite cool i have to admit |
13:53.27 | fastviper | you could preload whole / partition to ram |
13:54.43 | sarah03 | And, by the look of it, the whole of X11 and KDE as well, and still have plenty to spare. |
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13:55.38 | sarah03 | Not that I can be bothered to set up such things. |
13:55.54 | minux | sarah03: skip X and KDE ;) and you can play with all your memory |
13:56.05 | fastviper | kdelibs-3.1.94 has a bug |
13:56.12 | yvonne | i'v got a daft question.... why would my display get corrupted when i resize a window? |
13:56.16 | fastviper | won't install when you don't have arts |
13:56.27 | sarah03 | Actually, the sad thing is that even with that godawful amount of memory into my system, I still manage to hit swap. |
13:56.34 | fastviper | even when one gives --disable-arts at first |
13:56.36 | sarah03 | fastviper: The same was true of 3.1.93. |
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13:57.58 | fastviper | that's unfair |
13:58.08 | fastviper | i don't want to have arts on my system |
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13:59.09 | sarah03 | I can't think of a single thing in KDE that doesn't make use of it. |
13:59.17 | sarah03 | Whether directly or indirectly. |
14:00.11 | fastviper | well, i'll have to teach those things some lessons |
14:00.59 | fastviper | or, I'll just ignore errors |
14:02.45 | minux | do you think an average girl can understand: "a class that can only exist in one instance, since the constructor is protected only derived classes can initialize it or a static function inside the singleton class which returns a pointer to a static instance of the class" |
14:02.49 | minux | ??? |
14:04.20 | sarah03 | minux_: How much of a geek is she? |
14:04.42 | minux | sarah03: less than /dev/null ;) |
14:05.22 | sarah03 | Take it out of programming terms. |
14:05.40 | minux | ok .... |
14:06.03 | minux | now i have to go... |
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14:06.37 | ciga | hi |
14:07.48 | ciga | anyone alive? |
14:08.09 | ciga | I'd like to compile 3.1.94 from tarball |
14:08.32 | fastviper | what's the problem ? |
14:08.37 | ciga | kshortcutdialog.cpp fails to find kshortcutdialog_simple.h and kshortcutdialog_advanced.h in kdelibs |
14:09.00 | Steph[eN] | hi there, where is autoconf looking for the libs? |
14:10.32 | fastviper | ciga: add -I. to your cflags |
14:10.58 | fastviper | (weird, make -C should be enough) |
14:11.07 | fastviper | Steph[eN]: what do you mean ? |
14:11.43 | fastviper | ciga: verify that you have those files in .kdeui |
14:11.52 | fastviper | ciga: I mean .h files |
14:12.42 | ciga | fastviper: yes, I've checked and I can't find them |
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14:13.29 | ciga | fastviper: probably those files are generated by autoconf or whatever? |
14:13.37 | Fionntan | Is there a possibility to get a second panel in KDE on the top? |
14:14.32 | fastviper | ciga: probably |
14:14.44 | fastviper | ciga: have you got enough disk space ? |
14:14.52 | Steph[eN] | fastviper, think error *g* |
14:16.15 | ciga | fastviper: 2.8 Gb |
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14:18.00 | fastviper | i'm to lame to answer questions, i've just crapped my own 3.1.94 build :/ |
14:18.00 | fastviper | sorry |
14:18.32 | ciga | fastviper: I have autoconf 2.58-12 and automake 1.6.3-7jds1 |
14:19.38 | fastviper | ciga: your problem is far beyond my knowledge of kde build process |
14:20.52 | ciga | fastviper: do you succesfully compiled kdelibs? |
14:21.32 | fastviper | compiled yes, installed - no ;) |
14:21.52 | fastviper | (make install fails to kompile some stuff) |
14:22.00 | ciga | fastviper: what autoconf and automake do you have? |
14:23.27 | fastviper | automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p5 |
14:23.32 | fastviper | Autoconf version 2.13 |
14:23.59 | fastviper | gcc (GCC) 3.3.2 20031022 |
14:24.33 | fastviper | wtf ? what for arts need glib-2 ? |
14:25.59 | fastviper | nevermind :) |
14:29.57 | ciga | well |
14:30.08 | ciga | maybe I should try with gcc-3.2... |
14:30.17 | Fionntan | does nobody here know if it is possible to have multiple panels aktive? |
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14:33.47 | ciga | fastviper: have you ever used konstruct? |
14:37.55 | richmoore | Fionntan: yes, it is |
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14:38.09 | richmoore | Fionntan: use the child panel option from kickers right click menu |
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15:01.08 | chris | Am I supposed to install as root or as a normal user, or is access to /usr/share sufficient? |
15:01.17 | chris | err, themes that is |
15:01.48 | annma | it depends of your distro and the way kde is installed, chris |
15:01.57 | annma | what are you trying to do? |
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15:06.23 | chris | annma: rh9, via distributed tar.gz files & rpm's, |
15:06.23 | annma | you want to install a theme via kcontrol? |
15:06.25 | chris | I want to install themes any possible way there is ;-) |
15:06.31 | annma | do you have themes? |
15:06.46 | annma | usually, one goes to kde-look.org and looks for themes |
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15:07.18 | annma | then one would look how to install each theme according to what is said on the webpage |
15:08.03 | Fionntan | I got an additional problem, if i associate mp3 file type with xmms kde seems to start it a second time but it get played in the original instance is there a way to stop it from trying it to open a second time? |
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15:09.47 | annma | Fionntan: you mean kde opens 2 xmms? |
15:10.51 | Fionntan | no i mean that it should open only one, but it seems that it trys to open a second one (there is a task displayed in the taskbar and an image beside the mousecursor flashing) |
15:11.26 | annma | it should open one, yes but what does it do exactly? |
15:11.33 | annma | it seems it tries |
15:11.49 | annma | open ksysguard and see if there are 2 ionstances of xmms |
15:13.27 | Fionntan | the second "instance" is just an application in the task bar with the name xmms and a sandglass and it terminates after ~10sec |
15:14.01 | annma | and it's just with xmms? |
15:14.16 | annma | kde does not do it with some other prog? |
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15:15.06 | Fionntan | well i have nothing else where i want it to add just things to a playlist, it seems it just can't cope with it that xmms terminates if it is open allready and just take the file specified |
15:15.41 | Fionntan | well other progs are started and executed, for the main instance of xmms it works fine |
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15:16.51 | richmoore | Fionntan: the .desktop file for xmms should disable startup notification |
15:17.19 | Fionntan | richmoore: where can i find this .desktop file for xmms? |
15:17.21 | richmoore | Fionntan: the extra task is just the notifier, which doesn't like apps with that kind of behaviour |
15:17.54 | chris | annma: Am I supposed to add themes as tar.gz files or extract them into /usr/share/themes? |
15:17.58 | Fionntan | or is it possible to disable this notifier globally? i just don't see usage for it |
15:18.12 | chris | kcontrol keeps complaining it cant find the themerc file even though it's in the tarball |
15:18.13 | richmoore | Fionntan: sure, in the task bar settings dialof |
15:18.16 | richmoore | dialog |
15:18.46 | annma | chris: you download them in your home then use kcontrol to get them installed |
15:19.15 | annma | usually it's that way but I cannot say it works for every theme |
15:19.42 | Fionntan | richmoore: you mean in desktop->taskbar in controll center? |
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15:20.53 | chris | annma: doesn't seem to work at all :/ |
15:21.14 | annma | chris: tell me what theme it is and it'll be quicker |
15:21.32 | Fionntan | because i can't find anything which disables this startup notification |
15:23.20 | richmoore | it's under launch feedback |
15:23.31 | richmoore | use the search pane and type 'startup' |
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15:26.00 | Fionntan | richmoore: great it works - thx |
15:27.01 | richmoore | no problem |
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15:27.40 | Fionntan | just an additional question, does anyone know an image viewer with simmilar behavior like irfan view on windows (if someone knows it anyway)? |
15:28.16 | can-o-worms | can someone please tell me what flag to use to the font in konsole when i start it? |
15:28.16 | annma | did you try the ones you have in kdegraphics? |
15:28.49 | annma | there is also Gwenview from kdeextragear iirc |
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15:31.21 | necro | hi |
15:31.34 | necro | im using kde 3.1.4 but i dont have tabbed browsing in my konqeuror? |
15:31.41 | necro | how do i turn it on? :D again, its version 3.1.4 |
15:33.35 | necro | hello? anyone here? |
15:34.51 | annma | in Location menu? |
15:34.59 | annma | you don't have New Tab? |
15:35.06 | necro | no |
15:35.08 | necro | i dont have new tab |
15:35.21 | necro | i only got "new window" option there |
15:35.27 | can-o-worms | yeah... i don't think you need to "turn it on" |
15:35.39 | necro | then wtf? :D |
15:35.50 | can-o-worms | it just works |
15:35.58 | necro | no.. it just doesn't |
15:36.04 | can-o-worms | what distro? |
15:36.08 | necro | gentoo |
15:36.14 | can-o-worms | then it works |
15:36.18 | necro | no, it doesn't |
15:36.21 | necro | kde 3.1.4 |
15:36.25 | necro | konqueror |
15:36.27 | necro | no tabbed browsing. |
15:36.32 | necro | what am i, hallucinating? :D |
15:36.41 | necro | ill take a screenshot for you, if you want. |
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15:37.33 | can-o-worms | right click on a link and it will give you an option to open it in a tab |
15:37.54 | necro | that works |
15:38.04 | can-o-worms | or use the little icon next to the printer icon |
15:38.08 | necro | why is there a no "new tab" though? |
15:38.16 | necro | oh |
15:38.18 | necro | that also works :D |
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15:38.23 | necro | thanks, then |
15:38.25 | necro | :D |
15:38.37 | can-o-worms | but mozilla is better anyway |
15:38.47 | necro | how? :D |
15:38.53 | can-o-worms | i wish i get kopete to use mozilla |
15:38.53 | boquirroto | Hello, i need some help to install an usb printer. Someone can help me? |
15:39.05 | can-o-worms | boquirroto: what distro? |
15:39.40 | boquirroto | debian |
15:39.44 | necro | hows mozilla better? :D |
15:40.04 | can-o-worms | necro: man... just use it and you'll soon see |
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15:40.57 | can-o-worms | boquirroto: well, i suppose that is unfortunate, but still... read the printer set up docs at gentoo.org |
15:41.09 | can-o-worms | they are quite straightforward |
15:41.59 | can-o-worms | boquirroto: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml |
15:42.49 | boquirroto | thanks |
15:43.32 | can-o-worms | boquirroto: the problem with debian is that it doesn't have devfs or anything though |
15:43.53 | can-o-worms | boquirroto: you might have to make the dev file yourself |
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15:45.29 | boquirroto | I see. I used the kurumin distro and i can configure correctly, but in debian i cant |
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16:07.57 | fastviper | eh... I had to change target in arts/Makefile |
16:08.07 | fastviper | instal: install-recursive |
16:08.08 | fastviper | to |
16:08.13 | fastviper | install: install-am |
16:08.19 | fastviper | this is a bug probably |
16:08.29 | fastviper | (3.1.94) |
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16:43.01 | tigloo | hi |
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16:43.49 | tigloo | does anybody here experience the problem that the screensavers simply freeze the screen instead of displaying themselves? |
16:43.57 | tigloo | when i test them in the control center, everything works fine |
16:44.27 | tigloo | however, when they are activated automatically, the screen contents are frozen until i move the mouse, then i can continue to work as usual |
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16:50.30 | BiGGiE | Hi! Is there a way to create an application shortcut but tell it to start on a specific desktop? |
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17:06.49 | vext01 | when is kde 3.2 due out???? |
17:07.37 | vext01 | ??? |
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17:28.30 | rjune | network transparency for arts should work over an SSH connection, yes? |
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17:34.51 | bobbyd | hi |
17:36.27 | bobbyd | i was playing with the preview settings in konq, but now I dont get previews any more, is there any way to reset the preview settings to default? |
17:36.45 | bobbyd | i tried the default button, but that made no difference |
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17:54.12 | skiy | How can I get kde to not manage the root windows |
17:54.21 | skiy | things like xsnow and xsetbg don't work at the moment |
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18:08.40 | xwriter | Any documentation contributors here? |
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18:29.44 | Worf | argh - what's going on in kdeaddons? almost nothing in there builds for me! |
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18:46.05 | manchine | how do i pu the multiple desktop switchers back on my taskbar? |
18:47.28 | Worf | right klick, add, and then search... |
18:47.58 | Worf | (i think) |
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18:51.14 | manchine | how do i put multiple desktop switchers on the taskbar? |
18:51.29 | Steph[eN] | kde menu editor (3.2 b2) doesn't take new icons |
18:51.33 | Steph[eN] | :-( |
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19:00.19 | cdr | i can't browse a dir in kde 3.2 beta2 that contains a file index.html, it just opens the file when i open the dir |
19:00.50 | Worf | cdr: well - in the menubar there should be something like "use index.html" |
19:01.02 | Worf | cdr: and i bet you can save the setting somehow :-) |
19:01.29 | cdr | Worf: thanks, i thought this was a bug and not a feature ;) |
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19:15.07 | New_Order | kde have anything built in to use a scanner? |
19:15.31 | cdr | New_Order: kooka |
19:15.43 | New_Order | installed by default? |
19:15.59 | cdr | New_Order: it was installed default here |
19:16.36 | New_Order | how do you go about accessing it? locate found some stuff in /share/ for kooka |
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19:17.05 | Roey | SadEagle: heya Maks |
19:17.07 | cdr | New_Order: it's in the menu graphics here |
19:17.17 | SadEagle | hello, Roey |
19:17.21 | Roey | ok, I built konqi with debug support as far as I know |
19:17.34 | Roey | so.. could I attach a gdb session to this process? |
19:17.44 | SadEagle | yeah, but it would probably take too long |
19:17.44 | New_Order | hmmm kde with gentoo doesn't have it.. |
19:17.53 | Roey | SadEagle: ok, what else could I do? |
19:17.54 | SadEagle | even pressing ctrl-c quickly enough may be tricky |
19:17.59 | Roey | ah |
19:18.05 | Roey | well.. I don't know if I can replicate this |
19:18.08 | New_Order | well I got a hit on freshmeat for it |
19:18.11 | cdr | New_Order: i have gentoo |
19:18.14 | Roey | past starting ALL future konqi instances through gdb. |
19:18.16 | cdr | New_Order: it has it |
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19:18.50 | pronik | Anybody using KBabel here? |
19:18.56 | New_Order | it didn't |
19:19.14 | New_Order | PinkFloyd root # emerge -s kooka |
19:19.14 | New_Order | Searching... |
19:19.14 | New_Order | [ Results for search key : kooka ] |
19:19.14 | New_Order | [ Applications found : 0 ] |
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19:20.22 | cdr | New_Order: it's part of kdegraphics, have you set your "scanner" use flag before compiling kde? |
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19:22.52 | cdr | New_Order: otherwise do: USE="scanner" emerge kdegraphics |
19:23.27 | cdr | New_Order: but it's better the set the flag for everything |
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19:23.46 | cdr | New_Order: so everything can have scanner support |
19:23.53 | New_Order | hmm |
19:23.57 | New_Order | this isn't my sanner. just testing it |
19:24.01 | New_Order | no windoze drivers handle |
19:24.04 | New_Order | handy |
19:24.16 | New_Order | figured I would just fire up something quick on linux |
19:24.45 | cdr | New_Order: it's very easy to set it up on linux but you didn't compile anything of it, that's the problem |
19:25.48 | New_Order | true |
19:25.52 | New_Order | I don't have sane either |
19:25.52 | New_Order | heh |
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19:34.16 | phrag | anyone know how i can take a mailto link like this... mailto:ad@host.com and get kmail to insert the address in composer window? 'kmail --composer' will open new message, but how do i take the address from mailto link and insert in To field of new message? using firebird and mozex |
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19:36.31 | blazenrazor | how do I access the past web sites I've visited in konqueror? |
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19:38.12 | Chewbakka | hello |
19:38.21 | Chewbakka | i have two prolems |
19:38.24 | Chewbakka | see |
19:38.36 | Chewbakka | i don't have an |
19:38.39 | Chewbakka | small B |
19:38.42 | teatime | blazenrazor: history tab in navigation panel (F9) |
19:38.50 | Chewbakka | under KDE |
19:39.26 | davec | phrag: try this: dcop kmail KMailIface openComposer ad@host.com "" "" "" "" 0 |
19:39.43 | Chewbakka | and i can't auth a root console .. though i can do it exterior |
19:39.52 | phrag | davec: ? |
19:40.02 | blazenrazor | navigation panel? |
19:40.04 | phrag | it needs to be a variable |
19:40.13 | phrag | using mozex with firebird |
19:40.33 | davec | phrag: type it on the command line... |
19:40.36 | phrag | kmail --composer as mailto client does nto insert mailto address in To fierld |
19:40.45 | blazenrazor | oh ok thanks a bunch teatime |
19:41.04 | phrag | davec: its variable |
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19:41.10 | phrag | not ad@host.com |
19:41.15 | phrag | $mailtoaddress |
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19:42.12 | davec | phrag: from where are you calling kmail? a shell script? |
19:42.27 | phrag | from firebird |
19:44.18 | davec | phrag: ah, sorry, I misread your question. I'm not familiar with firebird... |
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19:54.37 | jesusfish | question...in k3b, my write will only show up under root user...I have the ownership groups for the programs and the devices setup though...any ideas? |
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20:08.55 | tpr | jesusfish, are you sure about those permissions? have you tried to use k3bsetup? |
20:09.09 | Chewbakka | can't anyBody tell me why I can't Become root under KDE , though in all other DesktopEnvironments it works ... ? |
20:09.41 | pnu | Chewbakka: what do you want to do? |
20:09.53 | Chewbakka | open a root shell |
20:09.58 | Chewbakka | or just a su - |
20:10.17 | pnu | open a konsole |
20:10.35 | Chewbakka | Sushi: Authentication failure |
20:11.03 | jesusfish | tpr: ran the setup many, many timed |
20:11.16 | Chewbakka | -shi |
20:11.18 | ciga | is there a place where I can ask about the kde3.2 beta compilation? |
20:11.22 | pnu | then go to session / new root console |
20:11.42 | Chewbakka | pnu .. exactly that doen't work ;) |
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20:11.47 | teatime | ciga: ask away |
20:11.53 | Rounin | Hm |
20:12.02 | pnu | Chewbakka: what goes wrong? |
20:12.03 | Rounin | Have you guys seen the latest KDE posting on ./ ? |
20:12.07 | Chewbakka | Sushi: Authentication failure |
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20:12.12 | Chewbakka | argh |
20:12.15 | Chewbakka | -shi |
20:12.35 | Rounin | Someone is making a GTK2 theme that makes all GTK2 apps use the current KDE theme |
20:12.41 | jesusfish | tpr: the burner shows up as a reader though |
20:12.51 | Rounin | So you won't have ugly-looking GTK2 apps in KDE anymore, once it starts working properly |
20:12.55 | Rounin | Yay KDE |
20:12.58 | teatime | Chewbakka: and if you exit to the console, you can 'su'? |
20:13.02 | ciga | teatime: tarball. make -f admin/Make.common; ./configure .. make; it says: 'kcmlayout.cpp:32: kcmlayoutwidget.h: No such file or directory' |
20:13.14 | pnu | Chewbakka: what was that? have you fixed it? |
20:13.27 | teatime | ciga: what are you building? |
20:13.39 | ciga | teatime: kdebase. sorry |
20:13.53 | teatime | ciga: and kdelibs installed fine? |
20:13.54 | ciga | teatime: I have arts and kdelibs already |
20:14.05 | ciga | teatime: aaaa. |
20:14.09 | Chewbakka | teatime, on a real LINUX console Ctrl+ALT+F1 or so ... it just works fine ... |
20:14.12 | tpr | jesusfish, hmm. odd :p |
20:14.17 | Chewbakka | it also works under gnome |
20:14.19 | Chewbakka | or fluxox |
20:14.27 | Chewbakka | just not in gnome |
20:14.36 | ciga | teatime: right, I compiled arts after kdelibs... I forgot... |
20:14.56 | teatime | ciga: shouldn't matter in this case |
20:15.01 | jesusfish | tpr: in the j3b forum, ppl with a similar problem were told they needed ide-scsi, but I know that's not the case, as it works fine now without, and it works with root |
20:15.15 | teatime | ciga: try that. can't hurt :) |
20:15.20 | ciga | teatime: k |
20:15.45 | ciga | teatime: yup, it only eats time :) |
20:15.52 | ciga | teatime: and if still fails? |
20:16.26 | teatime | ciga: dunno.. is this build failure at the start of kdebase, or sometime in the middle? |
20:16.27 | Chewbakka | errr |
20:16.36 | Chewbakka | damn last statment was just not in kde |
20:16.51 | teatime | ciga: are you having multiple kde installations? perhaps it's picking up the wrong one |
20:17.45 | ciga | teatime: no. I'm just gonna have one (I'm optiimstic) . 3.1.94 |
20:17.50 | pnu | Chewbakka: you might be able to change the shortcuts or you could add it to the konsle wishlist |
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20:18.47 | Chewbakka | pnu ??? .. at least "su -" should work .. |
20:19.23 | pnu | slow down a minute su doesn't work? are you loading something that uses X? |
20:20.26 | Chewbakka | pnu ... i just open a kde-console |
20:20.31 | Chewbakka | type su - |
20:20.36 | Chewbakka | then pass is asked |
20:20.42 | Chewbakka | i enter it .. |
20:20.52 | ciga | teatime: well, first I compiled kdelibs without arts, then kdelibs, and then kdebase/konsole kdebase/kicker. but kfirestarter wanted to have arts, so I compiled that also. |
20:20.55 | Chewbakka | then : su : Authentication failure |
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20:21.05 | Rounin | Hm, anyone know when 3.2 stable might be out, btw? |
20:21.14 | jono | is there a way to display an RSS feed on the KDE desktop? |
20:21.14 | Rounin | I wanted to try teh beta but it's not compiling |
20:21.27 | ciga | Rounin: same shoe? |
20:21.33 | jesusfish | tpr: kinda found the problem |
20:21.33 | Rounin | ciga: shoe? |
20:21.39 | ciga | Rounin: where are you? |
20:21.45 | Rounin | ciga: Oslo, Norway... |
20:21.49 | jono | anyone? |
20:21.51 | ciga | Rounin: fine. |
20:21.57 | Sushi | jono: look for karamba on kde-look.org |
20:21.58 | ciga | Rounin: and in the compilation? |
20:22.03 | ciga | :] |
20:22.04 | Rounin | ciga: Oh! |
20:22.23 | Rounin | ciga: I'd love to tell you, but the fact is I'm using Gentoo, so I don't even have access to the decompressed source |
20:22.36 | Rounin | (And I'm too lazy to unzip it myself and try) |
20:23.10 | Sushi | jono: but kdelook seems to be slashdotted right now |
20:23.13 | ciga | Rounin: ic |
20:23.26 | Rounin | Sushi: It's definitely being ./ed |
20:23.45 | Rounin | I imagine a lot of KDE users would like to make their GTK apps look KDEy |
20:23.55 | pnu | Chewbakka: I don't what to insult you but you are entering the right password (caps lock off that sort of thing) right? konsle runs bash inside it so it is not a kde problem, I don't understand quite where it is going wrong |
20:24.10 | Rounin | It'd be funny to see X-Chat use the Keramik style |
20:24.16 | Sushi | ouch |
20:24.48 | jono | is karamba in the KDE CVS? |
20:25.05 | Rounin | I just found out you could switch GTK themes earlier today though |
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20:25.12 | Rounin | gtk.org aren't exactly advertising it |
20:25.20 | fastviper | hmm.. what happened to kmail in 3.1.94 ? |
20:25.27 | Dhraakellian | what's the URL for switch? |
20:25.31 | Rounin | I just noticed some of the buttons over at xchat.org looked different from mine ¬.¬ |
20:25.33 | fastviper | i just built kdenetwork and kmail isn't tjhere |
20:26.08 | Rounin | Ah, kmail... Ironically enough I used that while I was using Enlightenment |
20:26.36 | Chewbakka | pnu ... i got it ... |
20:26.57 | Chewbakka | my small B doesn't work ... that was the 2nd proBlem |
20:27.00 | tpr | jesusfish, what's it? |
20:27.02 | Chewbakka | i have in KDE |
20:27.03 | Sushi | jono: no it isn't. google for the homepage... you still want all the themes and plugins from kdeloog, though |
20:27.21 | Chewbakka | pnu ... an d guess which char is in the pass ;) |
20:27.24 | Sushi | kdelook |
20:27.42 | fastviper | help me && i'll die |
20:27.44 | fastviper | :) |
20:27.55 | jesusfish | tpr: cdrecord permission stuff |
20:28.21 | tpr | ah, you weren't in cdrom group? |
20:28.30 | Chewbakka | ok .. 2nd question .. pnu ... can u guess why my lower "B" doesn't work ? |
20:28.48 | pnu | caps lock? |
20:28.52 | Chewbakka | no |
20:28.58 | ciga | fastviper: have you succesfully compiled kdebase? |
20:29.00 | Chewbakka | capslock isnt it |
20:29.05 | fastviper | ciga: I did |
20:29.14 | Chewbakka | only the "B" |
20:29.25 | Chewbakka | and only in KDE |
20:29.40 | pnu | can't get it |
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20:30.07 | ciga | Chewbakka: is not it a hotkey defined somewhere? |
20:30.12 | pnu | shift-b does something on your system? |
20:30.27 | rjune | Chewbakka: is your termtype set to something funky? or is it all kde apps that behave oddly? |
20:30.28 | ciga | fastviper: from tarball, right? |
20:30.41 | Chewbakka | rjune, standard kde |
20:31.03 | Chewbakka | ciga ... where are hotkeys defined ? |
20:31.23 | ciga | Chewbakka: I don't have kde atm. soory |
20:31.27 | Chewbakka | rjune, all kde apps ehave like that |
20:31.29 | ciga | sorry |
20:31.38 | rjune | Chewbakka: that's strange... |
20:31.47 | ciga | Chewbakka: and how about in an xterm? |
20:31.58 | rjune | I'm not a kde person, if it was in an xterm I would say your TERM type is set funky |
20:32.04 | fastviper | ciga: yes |
20:32.23 | ciga | fastviper: what do you do after tar -xjf? |
20:32.38 | Chewbakka | xterm --> no lower B either |
20:33.10 | Chewbakka | rjune, ut under gnome it would work with xterm |
20:33.47 | fastviper | ciga: cd kdebase-3.1.94; ./configure --enable-final --disable-debug && make |
20:33.47 | rjune | only two things I can think of would be TERM and the keyboard mapping for X |
20:34.23 | Chewbakka | rjune, But that would also hit other Desktops |
20:34.32 | ciga | Chewbakka:wonder what happens if you run a pure X |
20:34.50 | rjune | Chewbakka: yeah I know... |
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20:36.16 | ciga | fastviper: thanks |
20:37.05 | Chewbakka | ciga, BRB |
20:37.39 | fastviper | ok, I am pretty convinced that kdenetwork-3.1.94.tar.bz2 DOES NOT include kmail |
20:37.55 | fastviper | this is insane |
20:38.01 | fastviper | knode is also missing |
20:38.28 | rjune | fastviper: kdepim |
20:38.42 | rjune | at least that's the rpm package it's in |
20:38.50 | fastviper | rjune: what about this ? |
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20:39.46 | jabba | ciga, in a pure X-session it works |
20:39.46 | rjune | fastviper: you're looking for kmail. I have kde 3.1.94 RPMs installed(indeed, that's what I use day-to-day) it's in the kdepim package |
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20:40.09 | fastviper | rjune: if this is true i'll flame someone |
20:40.22 | fastviper | rjune: thanks |
20:40.43 | rjune | fastviper: don't thank me, flame on. ! |
20:40.57 | fastviper | ;-) |
20:41.32 | jabba | ciga, what's your suggestion on that fact .. must e a KDE failure |
20:41.40 | jabba | *Be |
20:41.46 | ciga | jabba: I think it is. |
20:42.17 | ciga | jabba: cd .kde; grep B * -ri or whatever to find where B is binded |
20:42.25 | jabba | never had that Before on x86 machines .. ut this is a Sparc |
20:42.32 | ciga | jabba: I can't tell the exact way. |
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20:43.13 | fastviper | SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE KICKED IN HIS ASS |
20:43.26 | fastviper | sorry, I'll now go and buy a shotgun |
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20:43.47 | jabba | hmm |
20:43.56 | jabba | strange guy |
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20:44.00 | jabba | O_o |
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20:46.40 | jabba | ciga, ... now it works ! i loaded another shortcut scheme |
20:47.03 | jabba | called windows-scheme without windows keys |
20:47.29 | jabba | is there a way to make this scheme default for every user ? |
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21:15.18 | jabba | wherefrom gets kde the standard startmenu-entries ? |
21:15.37 | aleXXX | jabba: /opt/kde/share/applnk/ |
21:15.47 | aleXXX | or ~/.kde/share/applnk/ |
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21:35.44 | jabba | i copied a .desktop file for X-Char to /usr/kde/3.1/share/applnk/Internet .. i before created it with a user account editing the menu ... but after copying the .desktop file to that sharedir it still doesn't show up for every user's startmenu |
21:36.49 | jabba | otherwise i also created a NEW DIR in that Menudirecrorz for Office components .. and that was empty before .. the icons in that dir show up for everz user |
21:38.53 | jabba | in other words ... how do i add applinks to existing groups like "Internet" for every user ? |
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21:46.28 | Rods_Tiger | I wonder how close Konqueror is to being a fully-fledged MMS client? |
21:47.03 | Rods_Tiger | I suppose it would need XHTML+SMIL profile, SMIL on its own, |
21:47.16 | Rods_Tiger | does Konqueror presently work with Adobe's SVG Viewer? |
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21:49.36 | pio | Hello, I have kde 3.1.4 from debian sid, i18n-pl and doubled toolbars in kde apps. How to fix that? |
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22:02.42 | icefox | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/ <- new poll weee |
22:04.04 | Worf | gah - my distribution is not there :-( |
22:04.19 | icefox | Wolf: which one? |
22:04.23 | Worf | sourcemage |
22:04.35 | icefox | Sorry, there is always Other and a comment :) |
22:04.45 | Worf | yeah :) |
22:05.22 | teatime | Worf: sourcemage is still alive? |
22:06.09 | Worf | teatime: sure. and did steadily grow since i started using it. (but not growing fast tough) |
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22:09.12 | Worf | teatime: and gentoo also is still alive, so what :-) |
22:10.10 | teatime | Worf: nothing really, I just seemed to remember sourcemage was abandoned by it's original author? |
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22:11.28 | Worf | ah - that was 1) "sorcerer", 2) only the GPL part - he continued in a no-fork licence |
22:12.21 | Worf | paying last respect to him the gpl version was continued under a slightly different name "sourcemage" |
22:12.40 | Worf | it happened almost 2 years ago |
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22:57.37 | ksymoops | hi all. does anyone know where I could find precompiled KDE 3.2B2 rpms for redhat 9??? |
22:59.08 | drWorm | i know for fedora only, sorry :) |
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23:00.50 | ksymoops | drWorm: yeah. I found those too. I'm gonna try installing them on 9. let's see what happens ;-) |
23:01.12 | drWorm | why don't you just compile |
23:01.30 | ksymoops | time! |
23:02.05 | ksymoops | drWorm: I just want to try it out. I'm primarily an enlightenment freak, but I heard 3.2 is supposed to be nice |
23:02.44 | drWorm | it is, too |
23:04.49 | ksymoops | drWorm: nope. it's hopeless. It requires to many fedora packages ;-( |
23:09.04 | *** join/#kde fastviper (~viper@cb127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
23:09.09 | fastviper | :) |
23:09.16 | fastviper | I'm a happy, happy man |
23:09.27 | fastviper | Thank you all kde developers :) |
23:09.50 | fastviper | http://stock.wne.uw.edu.pl/~mwojtczu/tmp/skrinszot-kde.png |
23:11.51 | ciga | hah, kewl. I have kdebase compiled. |
23:12.19 | ciga | teatime: so it did the magic. |
23:12.32 | teatime | ciga: :) |
23:12.48 | ciga | fastviper: what is that supposed to be? |
23:13.03 | teatime | fastviper: nice :) |
23:13.30 | teatime | fastviper: btw, you can use ctrl+printscr and alt+printscr for screen/window captures |
23:13.39 | teatime | no need for the gimp :) |
23:14.03 | ciga | teatime: he had to redesign ;) |
23:14.21 | teatime | heh |
23:14.40 | ciga | looks kewl anyway. |
23:14.56 | ciga | fastviper: any link for the theme? |
23:15.05 | drWorm | ksymoops: not surprisingly |
23:16.24 | ksymoops | drWorm: I know. Ididn't really raise my hopes ;-) |
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23:17.11 | ksymoops | drWorm: I started with kdelibs (the old fashioned way). The night is young ;-) |
23:18.03 | *** part/#kde Gial (~iosono@host222-217.pool80182.interbusiness.it) |
23:18.08 | ciga | fastviper: so, where is kmail located? :) |
23:19.04 | ciga | will kde3.2 be released as beta2? without modification? |
23:22.02 | teatime | ciga: kmail is part of kdepim |
23:23.10 | fastviper | ciga: http://www.everaldo.com/ |
23:23.38 | fastviper | ok |
23:24.08 | fastviper | how do I create hotkey to make window fulscreen ? |
23:24.31 | ciga | konqeror sig11 when I click on the navigation panel icon |
23:24.45 | ciga | fastviper: is that work for you? |
23:24.48 | fastviper | use mozilla ? :) |
23:25.00 | ciga | in konsole it says: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance ) |
23:25.02 | fastviper | wait. i'll check |
23:25.04 | ciga | libpng error: Read Error |
23:25.16 | ciga | fastviper: thanks. |
23:25.37 | fastviper | ciga: works, no problems |
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23:25.49 | fastviper | ciga: dont read this crap, it has zero entropy |
23:25.50 | wacky_ | where can I post bugreports or suggestions ? |
23:26.07 | wacky_ | or perhaps any developers are reading ? |
23:26.10 | fastviper | wacky_: /dev/null ;-) |
23:26.53 | fastviper | wacky_: http://bugs.kde.org seems also apropriate |
23:26.57 | wacky_ | I'd like the KColorChooser kicker applet to copy to the clipboard the hexadecimal triplet with no # (just add it to the list) |
23:27.01 | wacky_ | ok :) |
23:27.16 | wacky_ | do I need to login, etc.. ? |
23:27.18 | fastviper | I want this # |
23:27.25 | fastviper | dont report! |
23:27.32 | wacky_ | hahah :) I want both |
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23:27.34 | fastviper | or I'll bite your head :) |
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23:28.09 | wacky_ | it's just a popup that lets you select which form you want clipboarded (?) .. why not two more choices ? |
23:28.17 | Worf | color without #? why that? |
23:28.19 | fastviper | ciga: have you suceeded compiling kde ? |
23:28.34 | wacky_ | the Gimp (at least the devel version) takes no # in the color selection dialog |
23:28.38 | ciga | fastviper: arts, kdebase, kdelibs is done. perfectly. |
23:28.49 | fastviper | ciga: :) |
23:29.00 | wacky_ | so each time I have to paste to a text editor.. remove the # .. and copy back.. it would be way simpler |
23:29.06 | fastviper | wacky_: report this bug to gimp developers |
23:29.11 | ciga | fastviper: now I'm looking for that pimthing. |
23:29.20 | wacky_ | and having more choices isn't going to hurt anyone... |
23:29.22 | fastviper | wacky_: gimp _always_ used # |
23:29.29 | fastviper | it hurts |
23:29.34 | fastviper | code is bigger |
23:29.41 | wacky_ | lol |
23:29.52 | ciga | ;) |
23:30.14 | fastviper | ciga: can I ask stupid question ? :) |
23:30.30 | wacky_ | 4 lines popup instead of 3 .. woah.. |
23:30.30 | ciga | fastviper: how about my crash? |
23:30.42 | fastviper | ciga: accident ? |
23:30.43 | ciga | fastviper: feel free |
23:30.51 | fastviper | ciga: can you repeat this crash ? |
23:30.56 | ciga | fastviper: time to time. |
23:31.18 | fastviper | ciga: .. don't know hungarian names.. you are male of female ? (told you it's stupid) |
23:31.18 | ciga | #37 0x4121b14f in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
23:31.28 | Worf | hmm - right - they removed the in devel gimp... weird... stupid... now it is unusable... could anyone report a bug so they add the again? |
23:31.42 | ciga | fastviper: guess |
23:31.48 | wacky_ | I'd suggest both be done |
23:31.49 | fastviper | ciga: girl |
23:31.56 | ciga | fastviper: nice try. |
23:32.02 | ciga | heh |
23:32.03 | fastviper | but no cigar punk ? :) |
23:32.11 | fastviper | (or am I correct?) |
23:32.20 | ciga | fastviper: don't ever say that. |
23:32.29 | fastviper | what ? |
23:32.42 | fastviper | (that's american joke0 |
23:32.48 | ciga | what you sad 234 years ago. remeber? |
23:33.03 | fastviper | I'm confused |
23:33.04 | ciga | said. |
23:33.11 | fastviper | 234years ? |
23:33.24 | ciga | fastviper: the joke here. |
23:33.26 | fastviper | I was in Ireland then, no Internet |
23:33.31 | fastviper | oh, ok :) |
23:33.34 | ciga | ;) |
23:34.02 | fastviper | nice, eastern europe have taken this channel :> |
23:34.06 | ciga | fastviper: so my nick is what you see. |
23:34.35 | fastviper | ok, i was just curious |
23:34.38 | ciga | fastviper: when I was in Berlin I've met a Polish girl. |
23:35.24 | fastviper | when I was in warsow I've also met Polish girl :) |
23:35.28 | fastviper | warsaw |
23:35.34 | ciga | hm |
23:35.44 | ciga | that's magic. |
23:36.06 | fastviper | i guess that i wouldn't understand even single word from hungarian |
23:36.14 | ciga | fastviper: hello |
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23:36.21 | ciga | understandable, right? |
23:36.30 | fastviper | right, since it's english :) |
23:36.34 | ciga | or internet. |
23:36.49 | fastviper | also :) |
23:36.52 | ciga | or kde |
23:37.08 | fastviper | great |
23:37.15 | fastviper | this I understand |
23:37.20 | ciga | fastviper: jó éjszakát |
23:37.27 | ciga | how 'bout this? |
23:37.32 | fastviper | no chance :) |
23:37.48 | ciga | gtg cos it is late. :) |
23:37.57 | ciga | so, what should it be? |
23:38.08 | fastviper | should ? |
23:38.17 | ciga | it is evident |
23:38.34 | ciga | you say that when you go to sleep |
23:38.41 | fastviper | oh :) |
23:38.43 | fastviper | dobranoc :) |
23:38.55 | ciga | not: where is the remote control. no |
23:38.55 | fastviper | (we say that in poland0 |
23:39.17 | grepper | I keep getting refused when doing a cvs update: |
23:39.20 | grepper | cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from anoncvs.kde.org: TRY AGAIN LATER (excessive load or per IP connection limit exceeded)! |
23:39.31 | grepper | no matter which mirror I try |
23:39.41 | fastviper | grepper: DDoS on CVS! |
23:39.45 | fastviper | ALARM! |
23:39.48 | fastviper | WAKE UP! |
23:39.53 | fastviper | ;-) |
23:40.08 | fastviper | Microsoft takes over kde |
23:40.12 | grepper | bleh |
23:40.17 | fastviper | imagine those headlines |
23:40.38 | fastviper | good night everyone |
23:40.42 | grepper | been going on for 2 days now - I suspect my setup since no one else seems to be complaining |
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23:45.12 | grepper | ah, found a mirror I can log into finally |
23:50.31 | Worf | anybody ever pondered making some script or something to print multiple images onto one page and put that into the right-click menue in konqueror? |