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00:13.31DhraakellianI'm only seeing one readme, which seems to be instructions for modifying it
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00:33.05DeadkittyIs there anyway to enable alt-tab to go across all my virtual desktops?
00:34.07grepperyes, in the keybinding configuration in kcontrol
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00:43.41Gyodaiwhat do I have to do to show users' MSN pictures with Kopete? Some people told me it must be automatic, but I'm can't see them. I'm using Kopete 0.7.4
00:44.45Gyodais/I'm/I
00:56.16Deadkittyhrmm, that would probably be a good question for #kopete
00:56.45GyodaiI'm trying it there, thanks :)
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01:09.57adcrackerhi all
01:10.28paloris_Jadcracker: hi
01:11.38paloris_JI have a docbook problem while compiling kde KDE_3_2_0_BETA_2. Can anyone help
01:11.48adcrackeri lose my ligther... i can smoke whitout that... :(
01:13.14paloris_Jindex.docbook:1376: error: Entity 'kdm' not defined
01:13.15paloris_J<glossdef><para>The greeter is the login dialog, &ie; the part of &kdm;
01:13.49adcrackergod i found it!! :)
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02:09.00glickexcuse me in kmail konfigure i clicked, 'always sign whenever possible, but it never signs the emsilas
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02:12.33annmaglick: do you have PGP?
02:12.42glickannma, yup
02:13.17annmaand is it recognozed in KMail?
02:13.29annmait should show somewhere, does  it?
02:14.38glickannma, i have a key
02:14.48annmaand does it show in KMail?
02:15.36glickyes it does
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02:16.10glickalso when i encrypt a message kmail can not decrypt the message
02:17.00annmawhat kde version is it?
02:17.18glick1.5.4
02:17.39glickreason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data.
02:17.59annmakde version I said
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02:18.13annma3.1.4
02:18.17glick3.1.4
02:18.17annmait seems
02:18.29annmawell, how did you get kmail?
02:18.32annmain a rpm?
02:18.39glickyeah come with my distro
02:19.16annmawhat is your distro?
02:19.22glicksuse
02:20.27annmaglick: maybe you could see in suse mailing lists if others have this problem
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02:21.53KIKONEbuenas
02:22.39Deadkitty3.2 beta 2 is cool
02:24.11rexsumany config problems when migrating from 3.1.4 to 3.2?
02:24.26rexsumwhich kopete version is in it? currently i hav e 7.4
02:24.31rexsum0.7.4
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02:35.28aljosakde-3.2-beta2 - everything but konsole is showing central-europian characters, what's the problem?
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02:35.57aljosacentral-europian characters aka latin2/iso-8859-2
02:36.19Dhraakellianwhat's the default encoding on your system?
02:37.37glickwtf1
02:37.39glick!
02:37.45glicksuse.com is not responding
02:37.53glickand i cant figure out whats wrong with kmail
02:38.04aljosaDhraakellian: should be utf-8, but only konsole is not working
02:38.15Dhraakelliandunno
02:38.26annmaglick: I am quite sure it should work, 3.1.4 is a debugged version
02:38.54glickannma, heh im sure it `should` too
02:39.17aljosaDhraakellian: any idea where to look?
02:39.37Dhraakellianroot around in kcontrol, perhaps
02:39.43annmaglick: I really don't know what to say
02:39.53Dhraakellianor ask someone with some 3.1.94 experience
02:39.59Dhraakellianor knowledge
02:40.00annmaglick: did you try generating another pair of keys?
02:40.13annmajust to test it
02:40.40glickannma, no, i have been using my keys for a long time
02:40.57glickthey worked fine in suse 8.2 as well as slack 9.0 and 9.1
02:41.02annmajust an idea, just for test, you don't publish it or anything
02:41.18glickannma, kmail seems to be able to encrypt fine
02:41.33annmajust to set up KMail with a different key to see if it's a setting matter ot soemthing else
02:41.46aljosaanyone here using 3.1.94 and uses latin2 chars?
02:41.47annmaso it just doe not sign?
02:42.48glickannma, it signs, and checks the signature fine
02:43.00glickjust cant decrypt messages
02:43.09annmayou said it never signs the mails
02:43.18annmacan't decrypt?
02:43.23glickyes
02:43.40glickreason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data.
02:43.41glickError: No error.
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02:51.18BorgQueenHello
02:52.51BorgQueenAnyone here?
02:53.32BorgQueenAnyone know anything about burning video dvd and dvds in general using k3b?
02:58.04annmaglick: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html
02:58.18annmatry to see here if you can find something
02:58.36BorgQueenMe? (and Hello annma )
02:58.44annmahi BorgQueen
02:58.50annmait's for glick
02:58.56BorgQueenoh ok
02:59.04annmaI know nothing about dvd burning unfortunately
02:59.09annma:(
02:59.27BorgQueenRats. Hey I did figure out how to copy an audio cd made with k3b
02:59.30glickannma, thanks ill check it out
03:00.09annmayou could reinstall the plugin from source
03:00.28annmado you know how to compile from source?
03:02.09Hymieok, not doable with imwheel
03:02.34BorgQueenHymie as in the robot from Get Smart?
03:02.35Hymieannma: do you know if the kde you're using accepts mouse buttons for input in keyboard shortcuts?
03:02.46HymieBorgQueen: yes ;)
03:03.03BorgQueenKool
03:03.11BorgQueenI love that program
03:03.28Hymieit was quite funny, to be sure ;)
03:03.37BorgQueenIn deed
03:04.13BorgQueenlol
03:04.27annmaHymie: yes, i am looking
03:04.39annmait does not work in Keyboard shortcut
03:04.55BorgQueenHymie show here some leg, she likes that
03:05.17annmabut KHotKeys has something to set all mouse buttons
03:06.00annmait's called gestures
03:06.40BorgQueenoh
03:07.20Hymiereally?
03:07.24Hymiehmm
03:07.43Hymiemust be 3.2 only
03:08.17Hymiewait
03:08.20HymieI do see it
03:08.21Hymiehmm
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03:15.38Hymiehmm
03:15.43Hymiedoesn't seem to really do much
03:15.46Hymieor have any documentation ;)
03:16.07annmawell, even in 3.2 it's not very much finished
03:16.25annmaI don't use it because it says you must know what you do
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03:16.36annmaand usually I don't know what I do
03:16.50Hymieannma: doh, and bah ;)
03:16.59annma;)
03:17.11HymieCTalk: GO TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE!  WE KNOW ABOUT YOUR KIND HERE!!!!
03:17.21HymieCTalk: ANNMA IS VERY UPSET AT YOU!
03:17.27annmahey!
03:17.30CTalk:S
03:17.32annmawthell?
03:17.42annmaI am not upset
03:17.48annmahi CTalk
03:17.50HymieHello, my name is Hymie
03:17.54CTalkhymie this is just a test connection from a clanlib test app
03:17.58annmahi my name is ann
03:18.00annmama
03:18.02HymieCTalk: don't look at me, she made me say it
03:18.04CTalkhello annma
03:18.10HymieCTalk: been begging me to say that all night!
03:18.11CTalkhaha
03:18.21BorgQueenWhat's all the yelling?
03:18.23annmalol
03:18.47annmaI don't know, BorgQueen, THEY ARE JUST A BIT EDGY
03:18.47CTalkwell
03:18.47CTalkits 4:18 here
03:18.58CTalkgoing to bed
03:18.59annmathe cat put the cpas
03:19.00BorgQueenBoys!
03:19.03annmacaps
03:19.14annmaCTalk: nice to have been meeting you
03:19.16Hymieannma: videotron!!  what are you doing in quebec!
03:19.20annmalol
03:19.22Hymieannma: that's not allowed!
03:19.25annmahmmm
03:19.36annmalol
03:19.43annmawhere are you based?
03:19.55Hymiefrom bash type "whois l8r.net" ;)
03:20.10annmaI want you to say it
03:20.14Hymieheh
03:20.14HymieHull
03:20.38annmaHull?
03:20.41Hymieyes
03:20.44Hymieit is a wonderous place
03:20.53Hymiemerely because I live here, but hey ;)
03:20.53annmabut, where is Hull?
03:20.59annmawhat country
03:21.03HymieI can smell the stench from Parliment hill
03:21.10annmaa great country, no doubt
03:21.18annmaah
03:21.28annmaall right!
03:21.32Hymiewell, when the wind blows this way, that is ;)
03:21.36annmalol
03:22.43HymieMontreal, eh?
03:22.44Hymiehmm
03:22.55Hymieat least the whois says so
03:23.10Hymieyou poor, poor person
03:23.12HymieI thought of moving there
03:23.26Hymieand then I saw that you can't get out of the city, without driving for approximately 32.4 hours
03:24.14annmaI lived in the UK before
03:24.22Hymieannma: don't make fun of my fishcam ;)
03:24.25annmaMontreal is very small
03:24.34Hymieannma: yes, but there are 23423423 bridges
03:24.35annmayea?
03:24.47Hymieannma: hard to get out of the city quick..
03:24.48annmayes and the traffic is awful, I reckon
03:25.09annmayes, I spend my life driving around
03:25.10Hymieffs
03:25.13annmaon icy roads
03:25.15Hymiedoes anyone else feel they are in a timewarp
03:25.34BorgQueentimewarp? My machine is working hehehehehe!
03:25.36HymieI think that CSIS has woven an area of slowed spacetime around my apartment
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03:25.40annmadefine timewarp
03:25.43Hymieto keep my scheming to a minimum
03:25.55Hymieit seems that an hour goes by in about 10 minutes ;)
03:26.03glicki did what the site told me to do and still the same problem
03:26.12annmait always does when it's good time
03:26.15HymieBorgQueen: heh
03:26.25annmaglick: no!!!!!
03:26.47annmaglick: do you have the crypto plugin in kmail configure dialog?
03:26.53glickannma, yeah
03:27.16annmaand you cannot decrypt the mail?
03:27.23glickgpgme-openpgp.so
03:27.27glickannma, no i can not
03:27.50glickContent could *not* be decrypted.
03:27.50glickreason:Crypto Plug-In /usr/lib/cryptplug/gpgme-openpgp.so could not decrypt the data.
03:27.50glickError: No error.
03:27.50glickproposal:Make sure the plug-in is installed properly and check your specifications made in the 'Settings->Configure KMail->Security' dialog.
03:29.29annmaglick: can you decrypt it with command in a terminal?
03:29.36glickannma,
03:29.38glickyeah i can
03:29.44glickannma, kmail doesnt even ask for a password
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03:34.01BorgQueenI love Linux, while chatting I just backed up 23 GBs of data to my second hd
03:34.59annmaglick: I guess that something's wrong in your kmail
03:35.16annmaBorgQueen: nice indeed
03:38.31HymieBorgQueen: 23 GBs.. that's nothing.. when I was your age, we used to backup a few terabytes while eating our breakfast!
03:39.26BorgQueenI'm 440 yo
03:39.50jesusfishquestion...my cd burner doesn't show up for my normal user after I've run the setup...what permission would be missing?
03:40.03BorgQueenWhat distro?
03:40.09BorgQueenWhat apps too
03:40.12jesusfishBoChi: debian
03:40.23jesusfishBorgQueen: oh yeah....k3b
03:40.25BorgQueenHmm not familiar with that
03:40.59BorgQueenOk, did you set it up so the "burn" group was your user? If not, did you add your user to the burn group
03:41.23jesusfishBorgQueen: yeah...it used group cdrecording, and I checked to make sure the user is in that group
03:41.25BorgQueenIts always best to assign your user as the "burn" group, if you're the only user.
03:41.45BorgQueenTry changing it so the burn groups is your user.
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03:47.57DeadkittyIs there a KDE browser that uses the Mozilla html rendering engine?
03:49.28jesusfishBorgQueen: did that, still no luck
03:50.26jesusfishBorgQueen: funny thing is this: with the normal user, it lists the burner in the reader section
03:51.28BorgQueenAh, maybe you didn't set it up correctly.  did you choose a generic mmc as the driver?
03:51.56jesusfishBorgQueen: yeah
03:52.13BorgQueenHmm that's odd, what make is the burner?
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03:52.24jesusfishCyberdrive
03:53.42BorgQueenThat's a good brand, very standardized
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03:56.51BorgQueenwb
03:57.18annma;) I closed by mistake
04:01.35BorgQueenlol
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04:10.50ShockValuehi all.. im havin some trouble with JuK..  if i start it from CLI it gives me this:  mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding
04:11.08ShockValuethen pops up the KDE crash handler and dumps out.
04:11.11ShockValueany suggestions?
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04:11.53BorgQueenI've seen that before but could never figure it out.
04:12.15pjvis there a way to get rid of the Trash Can on the desktop permanently?
04:12.18BorgQueenHave you tried removing any .rc file it may have?
04:12.41BorgQueenWhy do you want to do that?
04:13.11pjvBorgQueen: Cause i dont like it
04:13.49BorgQueenYou could reassign yourt
04:14.00BorgQueenYour trash location
04:14.07pjv?
04:18.01BorgQueenFrom the desktop config, you can change the path from /home/usr/trash to say /tmp/usr/trash (assuming you have permission) and then delete the trash bin off your desktop
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04:20.23pjvi'll give it a shot.
04:20.25pjvbrb
04:22.33BorgQueenGood day or night to all
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04:23.55ShockValuedoh! doesnt JuK support Flac?
04:26.07DeadkittyI think it only supports mp3s
04:26.38ShockValuevery bummer
04:27.13DeadkittyI could be wrong
04:30.19pjvdamn it's hard to have a decent font setup
04:33.36ShockValuewell, i cant seem to get it to see my flac files, so your at least partially right :/
04:35.53DeadkittyI got my fonts to look pretty good
04:35.57Deadkittybut I tried mozilla and it looks like shite
04:42.21pjvDeadkitty: for General which fonts do you use??
04:42.55DeadkittyI use the 100dpi fonts, plus I also got the Microsoft true type fonts
04:43.18pjvand also for Fixed, Toolbar,Menu, Window Title, Taskbar, and Desktop
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04:47.46pjvDeadkitty: i placed the MS TTF in the XF86Config file and other fonts aswell. Is that how you loaded them up?
04:48.24pjvdamn splits
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04:52.43glickhey does anyone here use kmail with gpg?
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04:55.59pjvDeadkitty: you there?
04:56.04Deadkittyyeah
04:56.11DeadkittyI used this guide to make my fonts look nice :http://www.tldp.org/tldp-redirect.php?url=/HOWTO/mini/FDU/index.html
04:56.24Deadkittyactually use this one : http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/FDU/index.html
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06:35.20kijutsuHow do I go about getting rid of themes I've isntalled?
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06:50.38chealerHi, I found a page showing Linux equivalents to Windows applications recently. Of course I can't remember the URI now except I think it ended by .ru, is anyone aware of that?
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06:59.41kijutsuIs there a command built into KDE to purge all non-standard icons, addons, programs, themes, etc?
07:03.02chealernote to self : http://linuxshop.ru
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07:17.15Vexer`i keep getting that error when I do "kinstalltheme"
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08:46.00glickhey does anyone here use kmail with gpg?
09:07.02sarah03Hmph. Does anyone have a clue why I can't seem to make Q[VBox|HBox|Box]Layout, KMainWindow, and KXMLGUI[Client|Builder] cooperate? If I make use of KMainWindow::createGUI(const QString&) within my code, I can'
09:07.27sarah03I can't add a new layout to the window, because apparently it's already got one; and I can't make use of the existing layout that's there because it won't have anything to do with resizing the window.
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10:44.28paloris_Jhi
10:44.46paloris_Jcan some one help me with kde
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12:06.33silver_hookhello
12:06.38silver_hookdoes anyone know if JuK *needs* Arts?
12:06.43silver_hookand wether SB 128 PCI has HW mixing (so i can stop using arts)
12:07.33silver_hooki have to kill artsd everytime if i want to run epsxe :(
12:09.13silver_hookor do you think epsxe could run with artsdsp -m ?
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12:10.43silver_hooknope ...not it :/
12:10.55silver_hookartsdsp -m doesn't solve it :(
12:11.05silver_hookheeeelp ;(
12:11.07sarah03silver_hook: I don't know if it supports hardware mixing, but you could point arts at /dev/adsp0 instead of /dev/dsp0.
12:11.30silver_hookhmmm ...and this would help what?
12:11.37silver_hookusing another dsp device as the others?
12:12.18sarah03I've got an ES1371 in my system here, pointing arts at /dev/adsp0 lets me do other things which want to hog /dev/dsp0 for themselves without having to kill arts every time I want to run them (like NWN...)
12:12.37silver_hookaha
12:13.25silver_hookand how do i point arts to there?
12:13.36silver_hookbtw: there's no such device on my install :/
12:14.39sarah03Hm. You can make it with 'mknod /dev/adsp0 c 14 12' on a linux box, don't know about anything else.
12:15.51silver_hookand that's safe?
12:15.59sarah03To point it there, open up the "Sound System" control center module, and on the hardware tab, set the audio device type to "Open Sound System" and override the device location to /dev/adsp0
12:17.21sarah03I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be.
12:18.45silver_hooksarah03: hmmm, did that, xmms (ran with artsdsp) crashes, i killed it ...no sound :/
12:19.03sarah03Hm.
12:20.20silver_hookworks now
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12:20.26silver_hooki had the I/O set to "auto" ...set it to "OSS", reset artsd ...works :]
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12:21.06sarah03:)
12:21.37silver_hookand now for the big test: does epsxe now run with artsdsp
12:22.13silver_hooknope
12:22.20sarah03Shouldn't need to run it with artsdsp now.
12:22.32silver_hookoh? really?
12:22.35silver_hook...how's that?
12:22.41sarah03Since /dev/dsp0 isn't in use by arts.
12:23.03silver_hookaha
12:23.15silver_hookbut it still doesn't work :/
12:23.27sarah03Hm.
12:24.04sarah03What does 'fuser /dev/dsp0' have to say?
12:24.53silver_hookfor /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp it says 19050
12:25.01silver_hookfor /dev/dsp1 and /dev/sound/dsp1 it says nothing
12:25.07silver_hookthat's the only dsp i have
12:25.15silver_hookexcept the new adsp0
12:25.18sarah03What's pid 19050?
12:25.44silver_hookartsd
12:25.54silver_hook:/
12:25.58sarah03Hm.
12:26.11sarah03What's running against /dev/adsp0 right now?
12:26.18silver_hookfuser says nothing
12:27.13sarah03Hm.
12:27.53sarah03The hardware tab in the sound system module says OSS on /dev/adsp0?
12:27.58silver_hookwhat's the "network transparency" in aRTS?
12:28.18silver_hookI/O is set to OSS
12:29.13silver_hookand the only other thing here turned on is the second box with the device set to /dev/adsp0
12:29.17sarah03I think network transparency for arts is rather like network transparency for X.
12:29.24sarah03Hm.
12:30.23silver_hook(sorry, i have to translate my kde from my language in english)
12:31.33silver_hookwhat does the "full two-way operation" setting do?
12:31.51sarah03"Full duplex"?
12:32.08silver_hookcould be ...it's the first box under I/O
12:32.11sarah03Means you can have an application that uses both the input and output simultaneously.
12:32.22sarah03*nod*
12:33.36silver_hookmhm ...do i need that?
12:33.48silver_hookgod, i feel such a noobie :]
12:34.03sarah03Shouldn't need it.
12:34.21sarah03http://b0rked.dhs.org/~sarah/kcontrolcenter.jpg <-- That's how I've got mine set up.
12:35.06silver_hookaha ...that looks WAY different then mine ...you've got 3.2?
12:35.28sarah033.2b1, I would imagine... 3.1.93 according to the version number.
12:35.49sarah03I can't imagine that the sound system module would be terribly different between 3.1 and 3.2 though.
12:36.21silver_hookwell, you've got Genaral and Hardware tabs
12:36.38silver_hooki've got tons of those: aRTS, I/O, Mixer, MIDI
12:36.43sarah03Ah.
12:36.44silver_hooklooks a lot more scattered :]
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12:36.58sarah03I could imagine how that might be a bit more scattered. :)
12:37.19silver_hookbut the settigns look ok ...no idea why it won't work
12:37.34silver_hook...maybe the permissions for /dev/adsp0 aren't right
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12:37.50fastviperhello
12:37.57silver_hookhi
12:38.14fastvipercan I ask a question about compilling kde 3.1.94 ?
12:38.43silver_hooksarah03: what's your permissions for the /dev/adsp0 ?
12:38.44fastviper(assumming yes after 30s timeout)
12:39.02sarah03silver_hook: 600 sarah/users
12:39.03silver_hooki'd love to help, but i'm still at 3.1.4 :/
12:39.19fastviperdo I need kde-i18n to have messages in my language ?
12:39.35fastviperif so, how do I use kde-i18n files ?
12:39.54silver_hooksarah03: i think i've got it
12:41.31silver_hookfastviper: you'd have to set the LINGUAS="" flag for your language code (e.x.: fr - french, de - german) ...but what to do next, i don't remember :]
12:41.59fastvipersilver_hook: but do I copy those files somewhere into kdelibs source tree ?
12:42.34fastviperor just set LINGUAS and configure && make && make install ?
12:42.47fastviper(dont' know how gettext works sadly)
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12:44.12sarah03fastviper: I think the way it works is: cd kde-i18n/[your language] && ./configure [stuff] && make install, once you have the rest of KDE installed.
12:44.23silver_hookhmmm i think it should work with just compiling, but i'm not really sure
12:44.29fastviperoh, _rest_ !
12:44.41fastviperthat's something new, thank you
12:44.44sarah03I wouldn't know for certain because I've never had to install other languages on my system.
12:45.20fastviperbtw: is building kde with -fno-rtti wise ?
12:46.07sarah03I don't think KDE uses dynamic_cast<>, and I know that it doesn't use exceptions, which are the 2 primary uses of having RTTI avaliable, so I imagine it's fine.
12:46.32silver_hooksarah03: i set the permissions and ownerships to matija:audio 600 as the other dsp device(s) ...but it still uses the /dev/dsp :(
12:46.50fastvipernice, so my favourite cxxflags: -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-rtti again rule ;-)
12:48.14drWorm-O9 -fomot-instructions ;)
12:48.16sarah03silver_hook: Hm. Is it the same instance of artsd using that DSP device?
12:48.52sarah03If so, you might have to kill it and let KDE restart it the next time it tries using the audio device.
12:48.59fastviperdrWorm: ;-)
12:48.59silver_hooksarah03: arts still uses the /dev/dsp :/
12:49.29fastviperdrWorm: -finline-functions-all
12:49.37silver_hooksarah03: i'm killing it on a minutely basis!!!
12:49.39drWormwohoo
12:49.46sarah03Hm.
12:50.04fastviperdrWorm: -fexpensive-optimizations
12:50.26fastviperdrWorm: makes actually sense on P4 with 2MB L2 ;>
12:50.37drWormhehe
12:50.57silver_hooksarah03: it still uses /dev/dsp ;(
12:51.35silver_hookonly there's no artsd using it but xmms(es) instead :r
12:52.13silver_hookif i stop xmms (not kill) then there's nothing using /dev/dsp
12:52.29sarah03Ok... try doing something in KDE that makes noise?
12:52.32silver_hookbut also nothing's using /dev/adsp0
12:52.48silver_hookswitching desktops is silent :/
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12:53.35silver_hookbut epsxe works - no wonder, there's no artsd
12:53.39sarah03Hm.  Try pointing it at /dev/dsp1 then, since the other thing I noticed is that it looks kind of like you're running devfs.
12:53.46silver_hook...i like kde sounds :(
12:54.05silver_hookyes i do
12:54.18silver_hookwhat difference does devfs do?
12:54.31fastvipernaming scheme of devices is changed
12:54.41sarah03I wouldn't be terribly suprised if instead of giving you dsp0 and adsp0, it gave you dsp0 and dsp1
12:54.47silver_hookoh, ok :)
12:55.02silver_hooknope, it's just dsp and dsp1 ..i told you
12:55.10silver_hookk
12:55.19silver_hookchanged it, system sounds work
12:55.26silver_hookxmms works
12:55.55silver_hookepsxe works :S
12:55.56silver_hook:D
12:56.14silver_hookyou're a great gal, sarah!! :D
12:56.15silver_hookthanks
12:56.22sarah03:)
12:56.26sarah03Not a problem.
12:56.53silver_hookwhile i'm at it ...is there a way to force a window to open always at the same position?
12:58.18sarah03system->advanced->store window settings does it for me.
12:58.32sarah03At least, it seems to.
12:58.52silver_hookmozilla, xmms and so on work ok
12:59.00silver_hookwhen it comes to positioning
12:59.34sarah03Of course, I've also got all of one thing running that isn't running maximized, and that's kopete.
12:59.39silver_hookbut epsxe opens up first a little window and when you run a CD then opens a new bigger one - and that one's the one i want to force :/
13:01.06silver_hookalso should i run mozilla and xmms now without arts or still with it? (mozilla and xmms are up all the time)
13:02.08sarah03Mozilla doesn't play sound AFAIK (at least, I've never heard it do so...); xmms doesn't specifically need it, nor does it really matter one way or another unless you don't want to be bothered with mucking around with it when you want do do other things.
13:02.45silver_hookalso i'm thinking of giving konqueror another try as a browser ...is the 3.2 version really that improved?
13:04.00silver_hookbtw: mozilla itself doesn't use sound, but flash and implemented movies do
13:04.04sarah03I'm not the most pleased with it as a browser, but that's mostly because I've effectively been running Mozilla as my browser for long enough that it doesn't bother me... Konqueror, at least in the release I'm using, still has some nasty rendering issues on my own site.
13:04.31silver_hookhmmm ...like what?
13:04.34sarah03Ah, that would explain it. I don't have flash installed (mostly because until Macromedia releases a flash plugin built with gcc-3.3.x, I can't install it.)
13:06.00sarah03Mostly it's choice of fonts is hideous, but half the time the menu that I've got set up on the right side of the page doesn't want to expand and contract appropriately.
13:06.16silver_hookcan't wait for SVG to become a real standard
13:07.05silver_hooki've got a similar problem with a page i made and IE (and some older mozilla, they say)
13:09.13sarah03http://b0rked.dhs.org/ .. IE likes it mostly fine (excepting the 'position: fixed;' stuff, which I've written specific overrides to take care of IE), Mozilla and Opera 7.x deal with it flawlessly... maybe the reason I'm not too pleased with Konqueror is that I've already configured the living hell out of Mozilla so that it's comfortable.
13:10.22winjeranyone use korganiser and kpilot with calendar files stored on remote ftp servers?
13:10.29fastvipersarah03: I use flash from macromedia with mozilla build with gcc-3.3 - what's your problem ?
13:10.45sarah03fastviper: If I install it, mozilla won't start any longer.
13:10.56sarah03Once I uninstall it, Mozilla starts fine.
13:11.09fastvipersarah03: maybe you have mozilla build witj 2.95
13:11.12fastviperwith
13:11.13silver_hooksarah03: here's my troublemaker: http://treecastle.sf.net
13:11.38sarah03Not that I'm bothered by not having flash support in Mozilla; in fact, considering that 99% of the flash that I see is advertising, I'm just fine with it not being there.
13:12.07fastviperarent' you annoyed by window popping up, saying: install flash plugin!
13:12.14fastviper?
13:12.20fastviperi'd be ;)
13:12.52sarah03A little. But that's easy enough to deal with.
13:13.09fastviperwithout clicking ? how ?
13:14.21sarah03Press 'esc'
13:14.34fastviperoh, ok
13:14.53fastviperwouldn't it be simplier to just build mozilla with 3.3 ? :)
13:15.04fastviper(i can build it for you if you want)
13:15.31sarah03That's what mozilla is built with.
13:16.07fastviperand you use flash player 6 ?
13:16.12fastviperfrom www.macromedia.com ?
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13:16.39sarah03I don't use flash... the last time I went to macromedia's site to download the flash plugin, I installed it and restarted Mozilla, only to have it go into some sort of endless loop on startup.
13:16.56iamtheBoTWhi all!!! :) (i am not a bot, dont kickme ok? :))
13:17.25sarah03As I said, I could really care less about having it installed, as I don't want to see most things that are done in flash, and if there really IS something I want to see that's done in flash, I'll borrow the machine next to me or start VMware.
13:17.25minuxiamtheBoTW: 10.22*2321
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13:17.52iamtheBoTWflash sucks, in any OS in any thime... is almost shitty as ActiveX from M$
13:18.16fastviperflash is the best presentation technology after pdf
13:18.20fastviperit's just abused
13:18.25fastviperthat what sux
13:18.29minuxi agree with fastviper
13:18.30iamtheBoTWmmm well thats true
13:18.32sarah03Abused is an understatement.
13:18.35iamtheBoTWyea i agree too
13:18.37sarah03That's why I can't be bothered to install it.
13:18.59fastvipersarah03: take my apologise then
13:19.01sarah03Granted, every ad I see in Mozilla, I happily right-click on and say "Block images from this server"
13:19.08silver_hook:S
13:19.31fastviperyeah, but mozilla crashes when I right-click on flash :)
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13:19.47sarah03Yet another reason for me to not install it. :)
13:19.47iamtheBoTWi hate when a .swf file for "hi, skip presentation" is loaded... 100kb just to say "click here" god!!
13:19.49silver_hookfastviper: and i guess it's mozilla's fault :]
13:19.59fastvipersilver_hook: i don't know
13:20.11iamtheBoTWuse konqueror is much nice browser :P
13:20.25fastviperkonqueror doesn't render properly ;P
13:20.32iamtheBoTWmmm i see
13:20.39silver_hooki don't like flash either ...but some things made in it are fun ...as an idea i think it's ok, as an actual implementation it's pretty borked
13:20.47sarah03It does sometimes. Depends on what CSS features you're trying to make use of.
13:20.55fastviperand does not understand 'font-family: courier new'
13:21.16sarah03That's because, technically, it should read 'font-family: "Courier New";'
13:21.24iamtheBoTWi dont know, but pages look bether in konq than in moz (at least on my screen)
13:21.36fastvipersarah03: wow! nice trick :)
13:21.42silver_hooki agree with iamtheBoTW on this onw
13:21.44silver_hookone
13:22.02silver_hook...but konqueror still does have some quirks :/
13:22.19fastviperkonqueror is faster than mozilla - that's one think I like in it ;)
13:22.23sarah03I typically find that stuff out of Mozilla looks better for the most part, but that's probably got something to do with my configuring Mozilla and not bothering with konqueror.
13:22.52sarah03Hm. They take the same amount of time to load for me (and I've got konqueror set to preload), and Mozilla seems to render just as fast.
13:22.56silver_hooksarah03: yea, i think it's the "not bothering" bit
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13:23.11fastviperwhole kde is a bloat when loading
13:23.23silver_hooki was very happy with konqueror when i set it up correctly ...now i just didn't bother (yet)
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13:23.24iamtheBoTWalso is more configurable, and the best... i will not shit on you, when konq crashes to tell you "Make a new profile, that one is already in use" that is the most shitty stuff in mozilla
13:23.37fastviperone just needs qt recompiled with -Os <- biggest performance
13:23.58fastvipers/biggest/highest/
13:25.06silver_hookfastviper: so -Os is basically just a link to the most appropriate -O#?
13:25.55sarah03-Os is "optimize for size"
13:26.35silver_hookokeey, thanks again sarah03, i've always wondered about the -Os
13:26.55silver_hook-O2 works just fine with my athlon-tbird (-O3 doesn't!!)
13:27.35sarah03I don't typically bother with -O3, -O2 is typically more than enough for my purposes.
13:28.19silver_hookwell, i was tricked into using -O3 once :] ...didn't really go well
13:28.22minuxwhats for a pentium II at 366 MHz ?
13:29.13silver_hookminux: the -O flag isn't dependand on the architecture like that ...it just gives different results for each arch.
13:29.27fastvipersilver_hook: no
13:29.42fastvipersilver_hook: it is -O2 without options than enlarge code
13:29.51minuxok
13:29.54fastvipersilver_hook: it is also a way to produce smallest possible code
13:30.01silver_hook-O3 makes the most use of architecture's and thus makes larger binary
13:30.12silver_hookthat's what i was told :/
13:30.17fastvipersilver_hook: it is the _slowest_ option
13:30.21sarah03The -On flag gives the same results for each architecture, unless you combine it with -march=xxx.
13:30.35fastvipersarah03: that's kinda obvius :)
13:30.43fastviperi use -march=athlon-xp
13:30.44fastviper:)
13:31.10fastviper-Os for example codes 'xor eax, eax' instead of 'move eax, 0'
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13:31.17fastviperbecause it's smaller
13:31.25fastviperand doesn't use system bus
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13:31.48fastviper-os tries hard to produce smallest possible binary
13:31.59fastviperit makes no sense on oggenc for example
13:32.00silver_hookyea, i understand that part
13:32.08fastviperbut makes BIG sense with Qt
13:32.11fastviperand kde
13:32.16silver_hookOOo and so on
13:32.18fastviperwhich are bloated C++
13:32.48silver_hookbut how do the -O1 -O2 -O3 work then?
13:33.01fastvipergradually optimize for _speed_
13:33.10fastviperassuming _unlimited_ L2 cache
13:33.32fastviper-Os is for those that know why fitting loop into L2 is importand
13:33.41silver_hooki was told the higher the number the more arch-dependand calls it uses, but usually that means the binary gets bigger
13:33.53fastviperno that's not true
13:34.05fastviper-O3 tries to make code fast
13:34.10fastviperand it is fast
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13:34.16silver_hook...but?
13:34.25fastviperbut when you dont fit into L2 it is _slower_
13:34.37silver_hookand HOW does it try to make it faster?
13:34.41fastviperbecause system bus <-> memory <-> cpu communication is slow
13:34.43sarah03silver_hook: No, that's just the more optimizations it does for speed over size (see also most of the -f* flags for GCC); -Os gives up some of the speed optimizations to make the code smaller.
13:35.00fastviperalmost ;)
13:35.12fastviper-Os codes smallest possible opcodes
13:35.15iamtheBoTWgod!!! i hate light cig... i always smoke the filter in one... $%^&*(
13:35.20fastviperdoesn't align also!
13:35.30minuxiamtheBoTW: smoking is bad .... !!!! ;)
13:35.40iamtheBoTWyea, and smoking the filter is worst :(
13:35.46silver_hookmhm ...so the best idea's to use -O2 for most, and -Os for big packages?
13:35.58fastviperkinda :)
13:36.04fastviperi use -Os for all
13:36.10fastviperexcept math C programs
13:36.23silver_hook:D
13:36.43fastviper-march=athlon-xp -Os -s -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -fno-common -mfpmath=sse -msse -mmmx -m3dnow -DNDEBUG -DG_DISABLE_ASSERT
13:36.50fastvipermy CXXFLAGS
13:37.08sarah03I might as well be running gentoo, but instead I'm running tattered remnants of SuSE 7.1.
13:37.29minuxSLACKWARE!!!
13:37.29silver_hookmeaning? portage put over SuSE?
13:37.40silver_hookyea, i miss slack a bit sometimes...
13:37.43silver_hook...SOMEtimes
13:37.46minuxhehe
13:37.53sarah03silver_hook: Meaning I've manually built damn near everything myself, except for the libc.
13:38.02fastviper:)
13:38.14sarah03You can still find bits and pieces of the system which are from the original installation, but not a whole hell of a lot.
13:38.14silver_hooksarah03: ow :)
13:38.36sarah03KDE 3.1.93 took a while to build.
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13:39.54sarah03Of course, that's probably because I spent the time building it with gcc-3.3.1.
13:40.09silver_hook:]
13:40.24fastviperi have given --enable-final option to configure ;)
13:40.39fastviperhope kdelibs got buld before evening :)
13:40.46fastvipers/got/get/
13:41.26silver_hook--enable-final ?
13:41.27sarah03I built it on a dual celeron. Then that box decided it was going to throw fits at me, so I stuffed the hardware back onto my athlon 800 motherboard and called it good.
13:42.06fastvipersilver_hook: --enable-final          build size optimized apps (experimental - needs lots of memory)
13:42.47fastvipersilver_hook: this is kdelibs option
13:43.01fastvipermake  2109,40s user 92,09s system 96% cpu 38:09,62 total
13:43.05fastviperWHOA! ;)
13:43.11fastviper(kdelibs)
13:43.19sarah03Size optimized because it can tie everything together during the compile stage instead of during the link stage.
13:43.34fastvipermeans what for me ? :)
13:44.55sarah03libkdecore.so has to be position independent for it to not take up even more memory than it already does, for example; the compiler can generate better size-optimized code when it knows what ALL of the code is instead of getting each bit as a single file.
13:45.51silver_hookanyhoo, i'm off
13:45.59iamtheBoTWwhich page should i check for this invaluable info?? gcc?
13:46.01silver_hookthanks for all the help guys ...and gals
13:46.24sarah03The compiler has more of an opportunity to analyze the code and do things like eliminate some bits of position independence because it already knows how X is going to relate to Y before the code ever gets to needing to be linked together.
13:47.25fastviperso the code might be smaller and more efficient ?
13:48.32fastviperuh... new kdelibs take 1.6MB and old (3.1.4) 1.3MB
13:48.45fastviperthat is no-good
13:48.56fastviperwhat can be the cause ?
13:48.59silver_hookbye
13:49.28sarah03Probably because there's more stuff in KDE 3.2?
13:49.49fastviperok, now install :)
13:50.09sarah03libkdecore.so.4.2.0 (which is from 3.1.93) takes 2.5M for me.
13:50.20fastviperwow :)
13:50.32fastviperyou see now why -Os rule :)
13:50.36sarah03And it's not highly optimized.
13:50.43sarah03Not terribly worried about it...
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13:51.03sarah03I highly doubt any speed difference is going to be all that perceptible to me.
13:51.35fastviperwell, i doubt it also
13:51.35sarah03Excepting the fact that, for performance, KDE tramples Windows. But that's a given.
13:51.49sarah03I've also got the memory in my system to not be worried about it.
13:52.08sarah03:)
13:52.37fastviperi've got only 256MB
13:52.46minuxi have 128  ;)
13:53.00sarah03I've got 896M.
13:53.11minuxdamn you ;)
13:53.11fastvipernice :)
13:53.22minuxsarah03: quite cool i have to admit
13:53.27fastviperyou could preload whole / partition to ram
13:54.43sarah03And, by the look of it, the whole of X11 and KDE as well, and still have plenty to spare.
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13:55.38sarah03Not that I can be bothered to set up such things.
13:55.54minuxsarah03: skip X and KDE ;) and you can play with all your memory
13:56.05fastviperkdelibs-3.1.94 has a bug
13:56.12yvonnei'v got a daft question.... why would my display get corrupted when i resize a window?
13:56.16fastviperwon't install when you don't have arts
13:56.27sarah03Actually, the sad thing is that even with that godawful amount of memory into my system, I still manage to hit swap.
13:56.34fastvipereven when one gives --disable-arts at first
13:56.36sarah03fastviper: The same was true of 3.1.93.
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13:57.58fastviperthat's unfair
13:58.08fastviperi don't want to have arts on my system
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13:59.09sarah03I can't think of a single thing in KDE that doesn't make use of it.
13:59.17sarah03Whether directly or indirectly.
14:00.11fastviperwell, i'll have to teach those things some lessons
14:00.59fastviperor, I'll just ignore errors
14:02.45minuxdo you think an average girl can understand: "a class that can only exist in one instance, since the constructor is protected only derived classes can initialize it or a static function inside the singleton class which returns a pointer to a static instance of the class"
14:02.49minux???
14:04.20sarah03minux_: How much of a geek is she?
14:04.42minuxsarah03: less than /dev/null ;)
14:05.22sarah03Take it out of programming terms.
14:05.40minuxok ....
14:06.03minuxnow i have to go...
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14:06.37cigahi
14:07.48cigaanyone alive?
14:08.09cigaI'd like to compile 3.1.94 from tarball
14:08.32fastviperwhat's the problem ?
14:08.37cigakshortcutdialog.cpp fails to find kshortcutdialog_simple.h and kshortcutdialog_advanced.h in kdelibs
14:09.00Steph[eN]hi there, where is autoconf looking for the libs?
14:10.32fastviperciga: add -I. to your cflags
14:10.58fastviper(weird, make -C should be enough)
14:11.07fastviperSteph[eN]: what do you mean ?
14:11.43fastviperciga: verify that you have those files in .kdeui
14:11.52fastviperciga: I mean .h files
14:12.42cigafastviper: yes, I've checked and I can't find them
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14:13.29cigafastviper: probably those files are generated by autoconf or whatever?
14:13.37FionntanIs there a possibility to get a second panel in KDE on the top?
14:14.32fastviperciga: probably
14:14.44fastviperciga: have you got enough disk space ?
14:14.52Steph[eN]fastviper, think error *g*
14:16.15cigafastviper: 2.8 Gb
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14:18.00fastviperi'm to lame to answer questions, i've just crapped my own 3.1.94 build :/
14:18.00fastvipersorry
14:18.32cigafastviper: I have autoconf 2.58-12 and automake 1.6.3-7jds1
14:19.38fastviperciga: your problem is far beyond my knowledge of kde build process
14:20.52cigafastviper: do you succesfully compiled kdelibs?
14:21.32fastvipercompiled yes, installed - no ;)
14:21.52fastviper(make install fails to kompile some stuff)
14:22.00cigafastviper: what autoconf and automake do you have?
14:23.27fastviperautomake (GNU automake) 1.4-p5
14:23.32fastviperAutoconf version 2.13
14:23.59fastvipergcc (GCC) 3.3.2 20031022
14:24.33fastviperwtf ? what for arts need glib-2 ?
14:25.59fastvipernevermind :)
14:29.57cigawell
14:30.08cigamaybe I should try with gcc-3.2...
14:30.17Fionntandoes nobody here know if it is possible to have multiple panels aktive?
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14:33.47cigafastviper: have you ever used konstruct?
14:37.55richmooreFionntan: yes, it is
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14:38.09richmooreFionntan: use the child panel option from kickers right click menu
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15:01.08chrisAm I supposed to install as root or as a normal user, or is access to /usr/share sufficient?
15:01.17chriserr, themes that is
15:01.48annmait depends of your distro and the way kde is installed, chris
15:01.57annmawhat are you trying to do?
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15:06.23chrisannma: rh9, via distributed tar.gz files & rpm's,
15:06.23annmayou want to install a theme via kcontrol?
15:06.25chrisI want to install themes any possible way there is ;-)
15:06.31annmado you have themes?
15:06.46annmausually, one goes to kde-look.org and looks for themes
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15:07.18annmathen one would look how to install each theme according to what is said on the webpage
15:08.03FionntanI got an additional problem, if i associate mp3 file type with xmms kde seems to start it a second time but it get played in the original instance is there a way to stop it from trying it to open a second time?
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15:09.47annmaFionntan: you mean kde opens 2 xmms?
15:10.51Fionntanno i mean that it should open only one, but it seems that it trys to open a second one (there is a task displayed in the taskbar and an image beside the mousecursor flashing)
15:11.26annmait should open one, yes but what does it do exactly?
15:11.33annmait seems it tries
15:11.49annmaopen ksysguard and see if there are 2 ionstances of xmms
15:13.27Fionntanthe second "instance" is just an application in the task bar with the name xmms and a sandglass and it terminates after ~10sec
15:14.01annmaand it's just with xmms?
15:14.16annmakde does not do it with some other prog?
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15:15.06Fionntanwell i have nothing else where i want it to add just things to a playlist, it seems it just can't cope with it that xmms terminates if it is open allready and just take the file specified
15:15.41Fionntanwell other progs are started and executed, for the main instance of xmms it works fine
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15:16.51richmooreFionntan: the .desktop file for xmms should disable startup notification
15:17.19Fionntanrichmoore: where can i find this .desktop file for xmms?
15:17.21richmooreFionntan: the extra task is just the notifier, which doesn't like apps with that kind of behaviour
15:17.54chrisannma: Am I supposed to add themes as tar.gz files or extract them into /usr/share/themes?
15:17.58Fionntanor is it possible to disable this notifier globally? i just don't see usage for it
15:18.12chriskcontrol keeps complaining it cant find the themerc file even though it's in the tarball
15:18.13richmooreFionntan: sure, in the task bar settings dialof
15:18.16richmooredialog
15:18.46annmachris: you download them in your home then use kcontrol to get them installed
15:19.15annmausually it's that way but I cannot say it works for every theme
15:19.42Fionntanrichmoore: you mean in desktop->taskbar in controll center?
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15:20.53chrisannma: doesn't seem to work at all :/
15:21.14annmachris: tell me what theme it is and it'll be quicker
15:21.32Fionntanbecause i can't find anything which disables this startup notification
15:23.20richmooreit's under launch feedback
15:23.31richmooreuse the search pane and type 'startup'
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15:26.00Fionntanrichmoore: great it works - thx
15:27.01richmooreno problem
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15:27.40Fionntanjust an additional question, does anyone know an image viewer with simmilar behavior like irfan view on windows (if someone knows it anyway)?
15:28.16can-o-wormscan someone please tell me what flag to use to the font in konsole when i start it?
15:28.16annmadid you try the ones you have in kdegraphics?
15:28.49annmathere is also Gwenview from kdeextragear iirc
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15:31.21necrohi
15:31.34necroim using kde 3.1.4 but i dont have tabbed browsing in my konqeuror?
15:31.41necrohow do i turn it on? :D  again, its version 3.1.4
15:33.35necrohello? anyone here?
15:34.51annmain Location menu?
15:34.59annmayou don't have New Tab?
15:35.06necrono
15:35.08necroi dont have new tab
15:35.21necroi only got "new window" option there
15:35.27can-o-wormsyeah... i don't think you need to "turn it on"
15:35.39necrothen wtf? :D
15:35.50can-o-wormsit just works
15:35.58necrono.. it just doesn't
15:36.04can-o-wormswhat distro?
15:36.08necrogentoo
15:36.14can-o-wormsthen it works
15:36.18necrono, it doesn't
15:36.21necrokde 3.1.4
15:36.25necrokonqueror
15:36.27necrono tabbed browsing.
15:36.32necrowhat am i, hallucinating? :D
15:36.41necroill take a screenshot for you, if you want.
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15:37.33can-o-wormsright click on a link and it will give you an option to open it in a tab
15:37.54necrothat works
15:38.04can-o-wormsor use the little icon next to the printer icon
15:38.08necrowhy is there a no "new tab" though?
15:38.16necrooh
15:38.18necrothat also works :D
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15:38.23necrothanks, then
15:38.25necro:D
15:38.37can-o-wormsbut mozilla is better anyway
15:38.47necrohow? :D
15:38.53can-o-wormsi wish i get kopete to use mozilla
15:38.53boquirrotoHello, i need some help to install an usb printer. Someone can help me?
15:39.05can-o-wormsboquirroto: what distro?
15:39.40boquirrotodebian
15:39.44necrohows mozilla better? :D
15:40.04can-o-wormsnecro: man... just use it and you'll soon see
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15:40.57can-o-wormsboquirroto: well, i suppose that is unfortunate, but still... read the printer set up docs at gentoo.org
15:41.09can-o-wormsthey are quite straightforward
15:41.59can-o-wormsboquirroto: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/printing-howto.xml
15:42.49boquirrotothanks
15:43.32can-o-wormsboquirroto: the problem with debian is that it doesn't have devfs or anything though
15:43.53can-o-wormsboquirroto: you might have to make the dev file yourself
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15:45.29boquirrotoI see. I used the kurumin distro and i can configure correctly, but in debian i cant
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16:07.57fastvipereh... I had to change target in arts/Makefile
16:08.07fastviperinstal: install-recursive
16:08.08fastviperto
16:08.13fastviperinstall: install-am
16:08.19fastviperthis is a bug probably
16:08.29fastviper(3.1.94)
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16:43.49tigloodoes anybody here experience the problem that the screensavers simply freeze the screen instead of displaying themselves?
16:43.57tigloowhen i test them in the control center, everything works fine
16:44.27tigloohowever, when they are activated automatically, the screen contents are frozen until i move the mouse, then i can continue to work as usual
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16:50.30BiGGiEHi! Is there a way to create an application shortcut but tell it to start on a specific desktop?
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17:06.49vext01when is kde 3.2 due out????
17:07.37vext01???
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17:28.30rjunenetwork transparency for arts should work over an SSH connection, yes?
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17:34.51bobbydhi
17:36.27bobbydi was playing with the preview settings in konq, but now I dont get previews any more, is there any way to reset the preview settings to default?
17:36.45bobbydi tried the default button, but that made no difference
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17:54.12skiyHow can I get kde to not manage the root windows
17:54.21skiythings like xsnow and xsetbg don't work at the moment
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18:08.40xwriterAny documentation contributors here?
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18:29.44Worfargh - what's going on in kdeaddons? almost nothing in there builds for me!
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18:46.05manchinehow do i pu the multiple desktop switchers back on my taskbar?
18:47.28Worfright klick, add, and then search...
18:47.58Worf(i think)
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18:51.14manchinehow do i put multiple desktop switchers on the taskbar?
18:51.29Steph[eN]kde menu editor (3.2 b2) doesn't take new icons
18:51.33Steph[eN]:-(
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19:00.19cdri can't browse a dir in kde 3.2 beta2 that contains a file index.html, it just opens the file when i open the dir
19:00.50Worfcdr: well - in the menubar there should be something like "use index.html"
19:01.02Worfcdr: and i bet you can save the setting somehow :-)
19:01.29cdrWorf: thanks, i thought this was a bug and not a feature ;)
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19:15.07New_Orderkde have anything built in to use a scanner?
19:15.31cdrNew_Order: kooka
19:15.43New_Orderinstalled by default?
19:15.59cdrNew_Order: it was installed default here
19:16.36New_Orderhow do you go about accessing it? locate found some stuff in /share/ for kooka
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19:17.05RoeySadEagle:  heya Maks
19:17.07cdrNew_Order: it's in the menu graphics here
19:17.17SadEaglehello, Roey
19:17.21Roeyok, I built konqi with debug support as far as I know
19:17.34Roeyso.. could I attach a gdb session to this process?
19:17.44SadEagleyeah, but it would probably take too long
19:17.44New_Orderhmmm kde with gentoo doesn't have it..
19:17.53RoeySadEagle:  ok, what else could I do?
19:17.54SadEagleeven pressing ctrl-c quickly enough may be tricky
19:17.59Roeyah
19:18.05Roeywell.. I don't know if I can replicate this
19:18.08New_Orderwell I got a hit on freshmeat for it
19:18.11cdrNew_Order: i have gentoo
19:18.14Roeypast starting ALL future konqi instances through gdb.
19:18.16cdrNew_Order: it has it
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19:18.50pronikAnybody using KBabel here?
19:18.56New_Orderit didn't
19:19.14New_OrderPinkFloyd root # emerge -s kooka
19:19.14New_OrderSearching...
19:19.14New_Order[ Results for search key : kooka ]
19:19.14New_Order[ Applications found : 0 ]
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19:20.22cdrNew_Order: it's part of kdegraphics, have you set your "scanner" use flag before compiling kde?
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19:22.52cdrNew_Order: otherwise do:             USE="scanner" emerge kdegraphics
19:23.27cdrNew_Order: but it's better the set the flag for everything
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19:23.46cdrNew_Order: so everything can have scanner support
19:23.53New_Orderhmm
19:23.57New_Orderthis isn't my sanner. just testing it
19:24.01New_Orderno windoze drivers handle
19:24.04New_Orderhandy
19:24.16New_Orderfigured I would just fire up something quick on linux
19:24.45cdrNew_Order: it's very easy to set it up on linux but you didn't compile anything of it, that's the problem
19:25.48New_Ordertrue
19:25.52New_OrderI don't have sane either
19:25.52New_Orderheh
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19:34.16phraganyone know how i can take a mailto link like this... mailto:ad@host.com and get kmail to insert the address in composer window? 'kmail --composer' will open new message, but how do i take the address from mailto link and insert in To field of new message? using firebird and mozex
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19:36.31blazenrazorhow do I access the past web sites I've visited in konqueror?
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19:38.12Chewbakkahello
19:38.21Chewbakkai have two prolems
19:38.24Chewbakkasee
19:38.36Chewbakkai don't have an
19:38.39Chewbakkasmall B
19:38.42teatimeblazenrazor: history tab in navigation panel (F9)
19:38.50Chewbakkaunder KDE
19:39.26davecphrag: try this: dcop kmail KMailIface openComposer ad@host.com "" "" "" "" 0
19:39.43Chewbakkaand i can't auth a root console .. though i can do it exterior
19:39.52phragdavec: ?
19:40.02blazenrazornavigation panel?
19:40.04phragit needs to be a variable
19:40.13phragusing mozex with firebird
19:40.33davecphrag: type it on the command line...
19:40.36phragkmail --composer as mailto client does nto insert mailto address in To fierld
19:40.45blazenrazoroh ok thanks a bunch teatime
19:41.04phragdavec: its variable
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19:41.10phragnot ad@host.com
19:41.15phrag$mailtoaddress
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19:42.12davecphrag: from where are you calling kmail? a shell script?
19:42.27phragfrom firebird
19:44.18davecphrag: ah, sorry, I misread your question. I'm not familiar with firebird...
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19:54.37jesusfishquestion...in k3b, my write will only show up under root user...I have the ownership groups for the programs and the devices setup though...any ideas?
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20:08.55tprjesusfish, are you sure about those permissions? have you tried to use k3bsetup?
20:09.09Chewbakkacan't anyBody tell me why I can't Become root under KDE , though in all other DesktopEnvironments it works ... ?
20:09.41pnuChewbakka: what do you want to do?
20:09.53Chewbakkaopen a root shell
20:09.58Chewbakkaor just a su -
20:10.17pnuopen a konsole
20:10.35ChewbakkaSushi: Authentication failure
20:11.03jesusfishtpr: ran the setup many, many timed
20:11.16Chewbakka-shi
20:11.18cigais there a place where I can ask about the kde3.2 beta compilation?
20:11.22pnuthen go to session / new root console
20:11.42Chewbakkapnu .. exactly that doen't work ;)
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20:11.47teatimeciga: ask away
20:11.53RouninHm
20:12.02pnuChewbakka: what goes wrong?
20:12.03RouninHave you guys seen the latest KDE posting on ./ ?
20:12.07ChewbakkaSushi: Authentication failure
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20:12.12Chewbakkaargh
20:12.15Chewbakka-shi
20:12.35RouninSomeone is making a GTK2 theme that makes all GTK2 apps use the current KDE theme
20:12.41jesusfishtpr: the burner shows up as a reader though
20:12.51RouninSo you won't have ugly-looking GTK2 apps in KDE anymore, once it starts working properly
20:12.55RouninYay KDE
20:12.58teatimeChewbakka: and if you exit to the console, you can 'su'?
20:13.02cigateatime: tarball. make -f admin/Make.common; ./configure .. make; it says: 'kcmlayout.cpp:32: kcmlayoutwidget.h: No such file or directory'
20:13.14pnuChewbakka: what was that? have you fixed it?
20:13.27teatimeciga: what are you building?
20:13.39cigateatime: kdebase. sorry
20:13.53teatimeciga: and kdelibs installed fine?
20:13.54cigateatime: I have arts and kdelibs already
20:14.05cigateatime: aaaa.
20:14.09Chewbakkateatime, on a real LINUX console Ctrl+ALT+F1 or so ... it just works fine ...
20:14.12tprjesusfish, hmm. odd :p
20:14.17Chewbakkait also works under gnome
20:14.19Chewbakkaor fluxox
20:14.27Chewbakkajust not in gnome
20:14.36cigateatime: right, I compiled arts after kdelibs... I forgot...
20:14.56teatimeciga: shouldn't matter in this case
20:15.01jesusfishtpr: in the j3b forum, ppl with a similar problem were told they needed ide-scsi, but I know that's not the case, as it works fine now without, and it works with root
20:15.15teatimeciga: try that. can't hurt :)
20:15.20cigateatime: k
20:15.45cigateatime: yup, it only eats time :)
20:15.52cigateatime: and if still fails?
20:16.26teatimeciga: dunno.. is this build failure at the start of kdebase, or sometime in the middle?
20:16.27Chewbakkaerrr
20:16.36Chewbakkadamn last statment was just not in kde
20:16.51teatimeciga: are you having multiple kde installations? perhaps it's picking up the wrong one
20:17.45cigateatime: no. I'm just gonna have one (I'm optiimstic) . 3.1.94
20:17.50pnuChewbakka: you might be able to change the shortcuts or you could add it to the konsle wishlist
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20:18.47Chewbakkapnu ??? .. at least "su -" should work ..
20:19.23pnuslow down a minute su doesn't work? are you loading something that uses X?
20:20.26Chewbakkapnu ... i just open a kde-console
20:20.31Chewbakkatype su -
20:20.36Chewbakkathen pass is asked
20:20.42Chewbakkai enter it ..
20:20.52cigateatime: well, first I compiled kdelibs without arts, then kdelibs, and then kdebase/konsole kdebase/kicker. but kfirestarter wanted to have arts, so I compiled that also.
20:20.55Chewbakkathen : su : Authentication failure
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20:21.05RouninHm, anyone know when 3.2 stable might be out, btw?
20:21.14jonois there a way to display an RSS feed on the KDE desktop?
20:21.14RouninI wanted to try teh beta but it's not compiling
20:21.27cigaRounin: same shoe?
20:21.33jesusfishtpr: kinda found the problem
20:21.33Rouninciga: shoe?
20:21.39cigaRounin: where are you?
20:21.45Rouninciga: Oslo, Norway...
20:21.49jonoanyone?
20:21.51cigaRounin: fine.
20:21.57Sushijono: look for karamba on kde-look.org
20:21.58cigaRounin: and in the compilation?
20:22.03ciga:]
20:22.04Rouninciga: Oh!
20:22.23Rouninciga: I'd love to tell you, but the fact is I'm using Gentoo, so I don't even have access to the decompressed source
20:22.36Rounin(And I'm too lazy to unzip it myself and try)
20:23.10Sushijono: but kdelook seems to be slashdotted right now
20:23.13cigaRounin: ic
20:23.26RouninSushi: It's definitely being ./ed
20:23.45RouninI imagine a lot of KDE users would like to make their GTK apps look KDEy
20:23.55pnuChewbakka:  I don't what to insult you but you are entering the right password (caps lock off that sort of thing) right? konsle runs bash inside it so it is not a kde problem, I don't understand quite where it is going wrong
20:24.10RouninIt'd be funny to see X-Chat use the Keramik style
20:24.16Sushiouch
20:24.48jonois karamba in the KDE CVS?
20:25.05RouninI just found out you could switch GTK themes earlier today though
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20:25.12Rouningtk.org aren't exactly advertising it
20:25.20fastviperhmm.. what happened to kmail in 3.1.94 ?
20:25.27Dhraakellianwhat's the URL for switch?
20:25.31RouninI just noticed some of the buttons over at xchat.org looked different from mine ¬.¬
20:25.33fastviperi just built kdenetwork and kmail isn't tjhere
20:26.08RouninAh, kmail... Ironically enough I used that while I was using Enlightenment
20:26.36Chewbakkapnu ... i got it ...
20:26.57Chewbakkamy small B doesn't work ... that was the 2nd proBlem
20:27.00tprjesusfish, what's it?
20:27.02Chewbakkai have in KDE
20:27.03Sushijono: no it isn't. google for the homepage... you still want all the themes and plugins from kdeloog, though
20:27.21Chewbakkapnu ... an d guess which char is in the pass ;)
20:27.24Sushikdelook
20:27.42fastviperhelp me && i'll die
20:27.44fastviper:)
20:27.55jesusfishtpr: cdrecord permission stuff
20:28.21tprah, you weren't in cdrom group?
20:28.30Chewbakkaok .. 2nd question .. pnu ... can u guess why my lower "B"  doesn't work ?
20:28.48pnucaps lock?
20:28.52Chewbakkano
20:28.58cigafastviper: have you succesfully compiled kdebase?
20:29.00Chewbakkacapslock isnt it
20:29.05fastviperciga: I did
20:29.14Chewbakkaonly the "B"
20:29.25Chewbakkaand only in KDE
20:29.40pnucan't get it
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20:30.07cigaChewbakka: is not it a hotkey defined somewhere?
20:30.12pnushift-b does something on your system?
20:30.27rjuneChewbakka: is your termtype  set to something funky? or is it all kde apps that behave oddly?
20:30.28cigafastviper: from tarball, right?
20:30.41Chewbakkarjune, standard kde
20:31.03Chewbakkaciga ... where are hotkeys defined ?
20:31.23cigaChewbakka: I don't have kde atm. soory
20:31.27Chewbakkarjune, all kde apps ehave like that
20:31.29cigasorry
20:31.38rjuneChewbakka: that's strange...
20:31.47cigaChewbakka: and how about in an xterm?
20:31.58rjuneI'm not a kde person, if it was in an xterm I would say your TERM type is set funky
20:32.04fastviperciga: yes
20:32.23cigafastviper: what  do you do after tar -xjf?
20:32.38Chewbakkaxterm --> no lower B either
20:33.10Chewbakkarjune, ut under gnome it would work with xterm
20:33.47fastviperciga: cd kdebase-3.1.94; ./configure --enable-final --disable-debug && make
20:33.47rjuneonly two things I can think of would be TERM and the keyboard mapping for X
20:34.23Chewbakkarjune, But that would also hit other Desktops
20:34.32cigaChewbakka:wonder what happens if you run a pure X
20:34.50rjuneChewbakka: yeah I know...
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20:36.16cigafastviper: thanks
20:37.05Chewbakkaciga, BRB
20:37.39fastviperok, I am pretty convinced that kdenetwork-3.1.94.tar.bz2 DOES NOT include kmail
20:37.55fastviperthis is insane
20:38.01fastviperknode is also missing
20:38.28rjunefastviper: kdepim
20:38.42rjuneat least that's the rpm package it's in
20:38.50fastviperrjune: what about this ?
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20:39.46jabbaciga, in a pure X-session it works
20:39.46rjunefastviper: you're looking for kmail. I have kde 3.1.94 RPMs installed(indeed, that's what I use day-to-day) it's in the kdepim package
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20:40.09fastviperrjune: if this is true i'll flame someone
20:40.22fastviperrjune: thanks
20:40.43rjunefastviper: don't thank me, flame on. !
20:40.57fastviper;-)
20:41.32jabbaciga, what's your suggestion on that fact .. must e a KDE failure
20:41.40jabba*Be
20:41.46cigajabba: I think it is.
20:42.17cigajabba: cd .kde; grep B * -ri or whatever to find where B  is binded
20:42.25jabbanever had that Before on x86 machines .. ut this is a Sparc
20:42.32cigajabba: I can't tell the exact way.
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20:43.13fastviperSOMEONE NEEDS TO BE KICKED IN HIS ASS
20:43.26fastvipersorry, I'll now go and buy a shotgun
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20:43.47jabbahmm
20:43.56jabbastrange guy
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20:44.00jabbaO_o
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20:46.40jabbaciga, ... now it works !  i loaded another shortcut scheme
20:47.03jabbacalled windows-scheme without windows keys
20:47.29jabbais there a way to make this scheme default for every user ?
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21:15.18jabbawherefrom gets kde the standard startmenu-entries ?
21:15.37aleXXXjabba: /opt/kde/share/applnk/
21:15.47aleXXXor ~/.kde/share/applnk/
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21:35.44jabbai copied a .desktop file for X-Char to /usr/kde/3.1/share/applnk/Internet .. i before created it with a user account editing the menu ... but after copying the .desktop file to that sharedir it still doesn't show up for every user's startmenu
21:36.49jabbaotherwise i also created a NEW DIR in that Menudirecrorz for Office components .. and that was empty before .. the icons in that dir show up for everz user
21:38.53jabbain other words ... how do i add applinks to existing groups like "Internet" for every user ?
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21:46.28Rods_TigerI wonder how close Konqueror is to being a fully-fledged MMS client?
21:47.03Rods_TigerI suppose it would need XHTML+SMIL profile, SMIL on its own,
21:47.16Rods_Tigerdoes Konqueror presently work with Adobe's SVG Viewer?
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21:49.36pioHello, I have kde 3.1.4 from debian sid, i18n-pl and doubled toolbars in kde apps. How to fix that?
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22:02.42icefoxhttp://www.kdedevelopers.org/ <- new poll weee
22:04.04Worfgah - my distribution is not there :-(
22:04.19icefoxWolf: which one?
22:04.23Worfsourcemage
22:04.35icefoxSorry, there is always Other and a comment :)
22:04.45Worfyeah :)
22:05.22teatimeWorf: sourcemage is still alive?
22:06.09Worfteatime: sure. and did steadily grow since i started using it. (but not growing fast tough)
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22:09.12Worfteatime: and gentoo also is still alive, so what :-)
22:10.10teatimeWorf: nothing really, I just seemed to remember sourcemage was abandoned by it's original author?
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22:11.28Worfah - that was 1) "sorcerer", 2) only the GPL part - he continued in a no-fork licence
22:12.21Worfpaying last respect to him the gpl version was continued under a slightly different name "sourcemage"
22:12.40Worfit happened almost 2 years ago
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22:32.07Fionntanis it possible to specify a font size between two integral font sizes? because 10 is a bit too big an 9 a bit too small?
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22:57.37ksymoopshi all. does anyone know where I could find precompiled KDE 3.2B2 rpms for redhat 9???
22:59.08drWormi know for fedora only, sorry :)
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23:00.50ksymoopsdrWorm: yeah. I found those too. I'm gonna try installing them on 9. let's see what happens ;-)
23:01.12drWormwhy don't you just compile
23:01.30ksymoopstime!
23:02.05ksymoopsdrWorm: I just want to try it out. I'm primarily an enlightenment freak, but I heard 3.2 is supposed to be nice
23:02.44drWormit is, too
23:04.49ksymoopsdrWorm: nope. it's hopeless. It requires to many fedora packages ;-(
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23:09.09fastviper:)
23:09.16fastviperI'm a happy, happy man
23:09.27fastviperThank you all kde developers :)
23:09.50fastviperhttp://stock.wne.uw.edu.pl/~mwojtczu/tmp/skrinszot-kde.png
23:11.51cigahah, kewl. I have kdebase compiled.
23:12.19cigateatime: so it did the magic.
23:12.32teatimeciga: :)
23:12.48cigafastviper: what is that supposed to be?
23:13.03teatimefastviper: nice :)
23:13.30teatimefastviper: btw, you can use ctrl+printscr and alt+printscr for screen/window captures
23:13.39teatimeno need for the gimp :)
23:14.03cigateatime: he had to redesign ;)
23:14.21teatimeheh
23:14.40cigalooks kewl anyway.
23:14.56cigafastviper: any link for the theme?
23:15.05drWormksymoops:  not surprisingly
23:16.24ksymoopsdrWorm: I know. Ididn't really raise my hopes ;-)
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23:17.11ksymoopsdrWorm: I started with kdelibs (the old fashioned way). The night is young ;-)
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23:18.08cigafastviper: so, where is kmail located? :)
23:19.04cigawill kde3.2 be released as beta2? without modification?
23:22.02teatimeciga: kmail is part of kdepim
23:23.10fastviperciga: http://www.everaldo.com/
23:23.38fastviperok
23:24.08fastviperhow do I create hotkey to make window fulscreen ?
23:24.31cigakonqeror sig11 when I click on the navigation panel icon
23:24.45cigafastviper: is that work for you?
23:24.48fastviperuse mozilla ? :)
23:25.00cigain konsole it says: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance )
23:25.02fastviperwait. i'll check
23:25.04cigalibpng error: Read Error
23:25.16cigafastviper: thanks.
23:25.37fastviperciga: works, no problems
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23:25.49fastviperciga: dont read this crap, it has zero entropy
23:25.50wacky_where can I post bugreports or suggestions ?
23:26.07wacky_or perhaps any developers are reading ?
23:26.10fastviperwacky_: /dev/null ;-)
23:26.53fastviperwacky_: http://bugs.kde.org seems also apropriate
23:26.57wacky_I'd like the KColorChooser kicker applet to copy to the clipboard the hexadecimal triplet with no # (just add it to the list)
23:27.01wacky_ok :)
23:27.16wacky_do I need to login, etc.. ?
23:27.18fastviperI want this #
23:27.25fastviperdont report!
23:27.32wacky_hahah :) I want both
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23:27.34fastviperor I'll bite your head :)
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23:28.09wacky_it's just a popup that lets you select which form you want clipboarded (?) .. why not two more choices ?
23:28.17Worfcolor without #? why that?
23:28.19fastviperciga: have you suceeded compiling kde ?
23:28.34wacky_the Gimp (at least the devel version) takes no # in the color selection dialog
23:28.38cigafastviper: arts, kdebase, kdelibs is done. perfectly.
23:28.49fastviperciga: :)
23:29.00wacky_so each time I have to paste to a text editor.. remove the # .. and copy back.. it would be way simpler
23:29.06fastviperwacky_: report this bug to gimp developers
23:29.11cigafastviper: now I'm looking for that pimthing.
23:29.20wacky_and having more choices isn't going to hurt anyone...
23:29.22fastviperwacky_: gimp _always_ used #
23:29.29fastviperit hurts
23:29.34fastvipercode is bigger
23:29.41wacky_lol
23:29.52ciga;)
23:30.14fastviperciga: can I ask stupid question ? :)
23:30.30wacky_4 lines popup instead of 3 .. woah..
23:30.30cigafastviper: how about my crash?
23:30.42fastviperciga: accident ?
23:30.43cigafastviper: feel free
23:30.51fastviperciga: can you repeat this crash ?
23:30.56cigafastviper: time to time.
23:31.18fastviperciga: .. don't know hungarian names.. you are male of female ? (told you it's stupid)
23:31.18ciga#37 0x4121b14f in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
23:31.28Worfhmm - right - they removed the  in devel gimp... weird... stupid... now it is unusable... could anyone report a bug so they add the  again?
23:31.42cigafastviper: guess
23:31.48wacky_I'd suggest both be done
23:31.49fastviperciga: girl
23:31.56cigafastviper: nice try.
23:32.02cigaheh
23:32.03fastviperbut no cigar punk ? :)
23:32.11fastviper(or am I correct?)
23:32.20cigafastviper: don't ever say that.
23:32.29fastviperwhat ?
23:32.42fastviper(that's american joke0
23:32.48cigawhat you sad 234 years ago. remeber?
23:33.03fastviperI'm confused
23:33.04cigasaid.
23:33.11fastviper234years ?
23:33.24cigafastviper: the joke here.
23:33.26fastviperI was in Ireland then, no Internet
23:33.31fastviperoh, ok :)
23:33.34ciga;)
23:34.02fastvipernice, eastern europe have taken this channel :>
23:34.06cigafastviper: so my nick is what you see.
23:34.35fastviperok, i was just curious
23:34.38cigafastviper: when I was in Berlin I've met a Polish girl.
23:35.24fastviperwhen I was in warsow I've also met Polish girl :)
23:35.28fastviperwarsaw
23:35.34cigahm
23:35.44cigathat's magic.
23:36.06fastviperi guess that i wouldn't understand even single word from hungarian
23:36.14cigafastviper: hello
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23:36.21cigaunderstandable, right?
23:36.30fastviperright, since it's english :)
23:36.34cigaor internet.
23:36.49fastviperalso :)
23:36.52cigaor kde
23:37.08fastvipergreat
23:37.15fastviperthis I understand
23:37.20cigafastviper: jó éjszakát
23:37.27cigahow 'bout this?
23:37.32fastviperno chance :)
23:37.48cigagtg cos it is late. :)
23:37.57cigaso, what should it be?
23:38.08fastvipershould ?
23:38.17cigait is evident
23:38.34cigayou say that when you go to sleep
23:38.41fastviperoh :)
23:38.43fastviperdobranoc :)
23:38.55ciganot: where is the remote control. no
23:38.55fastviper(we say that in poland0
23:39.17grepperI keep getting refused when doing a cvs update:
23:39.20greppercvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from anoncvs.kde.org: TRY AGAIN LATER (excessive load or per IP connection limit exceeded)!
23:39.31grepperno matter which mirror I try
23:39.41fastvipergrepper: DDoS on CVS!
23:39.45fastviperALARM!
23:39.48fastviperWAKE UP!
23:39.53fastviper;-)
23:40.08fastviperMicrosoft takes over kde
23:40.12grepperbleh
23:40.17fastviperimagine those headlines
23:40.38fastvipergood night everyone
23:40.42grepperbeen going on for 2 days now - I suspect my setup since no one else seems to be complaining
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23:45.12grepperah, found a mirror I can log into finally
23:50.31Worfanybody ever pondered making some script or something to print multiple images onto one page and put that into the right-click menue in konqueror?

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