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| 00:01.16 | MikeH | anyone know anything about HD-BURN cdwriters? apparently it can record double the capacity of a cd-r |
| 00:01.21 | Jzarecta | hey is there any IRC KDE server... |
| 00:01.25 | Jzarecta | kind of like irc.gnome.org |
| 00:01.47 | MikeH | irc.kde.org points to irc.freenode.net |
| 00:01.48 | Jzarecta | I like the approach of each application have their own channel |
| 00:02.05 | Jzarecta | Markey-: I know |
| 00:02.11 | Markey- | hm? |
| 00:02.13 | Jzarecta | MikeH: I know |
| 00:02.19 | Jzarecta | oops... |
| 00:02.22 | Markey- | ;) |
| 00:02.31 | Jzarecta | so no #Kde-Office or #Kopete channel.. |
| 00:02.38 | MikeH | so, anyone know about HD-BURN, and if k3b can do it? |
| 00:03.42 | zdenko | annma: hello |
| 00:10.02 | MikeH | someone here must have heard of HDBURN? |
| 00:18.32 | teatime | Jzarecta: both exist, I think. thought it is #koffice |
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| 00:51.58 | Eno_ | does anyone use kdevelop? |
| 00:52.14 | Eno_ | i just discovered it.. its nice so far, but |
| 00:52.26 | winmutt | but yeah kde 3.2.0 screensavers leak mem badly |
| 00:52.32 | winmutt | sigh |
| 00:52.36 | winmutt | oh well |
| 00:52.36 | Eno_ | the only thing i dislike is that i can click anywhere in the editor and thats where it puts the cursor |
| 00:52.46 | Eno_ | rather than at the end of the last char of the line |
| 00:52.51 | Eno_ | is there an option for this? |
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| 01:06.46 | Chainsaw | Can anyone confirm that kdemultimedia 3.2.0-beta2 has a fixed, nonconfigurable depend on esound, and if so, why is that? |
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| 01:07.03 | Haides | hello everyone! |
| 01:09.22 | Chainsaw | hello Haides |
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| 01:12.17 | wiz | is there anyway to have seperate wallpapers for each display when using xinerama? |
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| 01:23.24 | polux | hi |
| 01:23.35 | polux | did someone manage to compile the last kguitar ? |
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| 01:41.07 | MikeH | anyone know about HD-BURN and if k3b or anythign else can do it |
| 01:41.11 | MikeH | (in linux) |
| 01:41.57 | teatime | MikeH: k3b is a frontend. better check if cdrecord can do it |
| 01:42.56 | MikeH | where would i be likely to find that out |
| 01:43.15 | teatime | google? |
| 01:43.59 | teatime | MikeH: "gg: cdrecord" - first hit |
| 01:45.11 | MikeH | gg: cdrecord? |
| 01:45.32 | MikeH | what do you mean gg? |
| 01:46.16 | teatime | MikeH: it's a web shortcut |
| 01:46.29 | teatime | hit alt+f2 and enter gg: cdrecord |
| 01:46.31 | teatime | :) |
| 01:47.16 | MikeH | aah :) |
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| 01:57.21 | MandrakeMan | Does anyone know how to change the KDE icon for the K Menu? |
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| 02:08.06 | D3M0N | Do any of you know how I can make my KDE2 applications look good under KDE 3? |
| 02:08.49 | D3M0N | I have Desktop/LX and it uses KDE2 and some applications use qt2/kde2 and the fonts are all wrong in the kde2 apps |
| 02:09.34 | D3M0N | so i built RPMs of KDE3 to use some kde3 apps, but now some of the kde2 apps like its update wizard's fonts I think are Courier |
| 02:12.37 | D3M0N | I don't know if what I said in there makes sense - if you don't get what I'm asking just ask me ;) |
| 02:13.04 | wiz | is there anyway to have seperate wallpapers for each display when using xinerama? |
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| 02:14.58 | _vigil | What program does kde use to render (colored) man pages? (e.g. #man) |
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| 02:20.51 | D3M0N | brb |
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| 02:32.52 | maxauthority | hi |
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| 02:34.33 | maxauthority | i've got a question: i want to start a file (ok, start a program which is associated with the mime-type) from the command line. So "xyz song.mp3" would launch Kaboodle e.g. Any ideas, if kde 3.2 has a command line app for this? |
| 02:42.20 | teatime | maxauthority: heh. that's a really good question.. |
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| 02:44.22 | teatime | maxauthority: ah. found it |
| 02:44.32 | teatime | maxauthority: try "kfmclient exec <filename>" |
| 02:44.45 | maxauthority | will try it, thanks |
| 02:45.10 | teatime | maxauthority: also so "kfmclient --commands" for what else it can do :) |
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| 02:45.50 | maxauthority | teatime: thank you very much! I thought about this command but only thought it could only launch konqueror windows. |
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| 02:46.42 | teatime | maxauthority: thanks for asking. I think I'll be using this myself.. ;) |
| 02:47.01 | teatime | PhantomsDad: hi! just when I had a wiki question.. :) |
| 02:47.17 | PhantomsDad | teatime: Hello |
| 02:47.42 | teatime | PhantomsDad: do you know what the policy for uploading or linking images on the kde wiki? |
| 02:48.07 | maxauthority | teatime: good to know :) especially when aliasing "k=kfmshell -exec " it is very handy to quickly start things |
| 02:48.42 | teatime | PhantomsDad: I was going to type up a short kdevelop tutorial, but putting it on the wiki might be a good idea. keeps the document alive |
| 02:48.46 | teatime | maxauthority: :) |
| 02:48.56 | PhantomsDad | teatime: Sorry, I don't. I assume u checked the wiki docs on the wiki site? |
| 02:49.18 | dbglt | is there a way to make everything that hasnt got a mime type associated with it to open in embedded text editor? |
| 02:49.21 | teatime | PhantomsDad: I'm trying.. to tell the truth the whole site is confusing to me.. ;) |
| 02:49.38 | maxauthority | dbglt: yes |
| 02:49.55 | maxauthority | just use the setting for the mime-type "allfiles" and set a default entry |
| 02:50.09 | maxauthority | do gvim, kedit or whatever |
| 02:50.14 | maxauthority | s/do/to |
| 02:50.15 | PhantomsDad | teatime: I agree. The front page is mostly stale and useless stuff and its hard to find stuff. Did u know I wrote a wiki called "Using KDevelop with KDE CVS"? |
| 02:50.43 | teatime | PhantomsDad: well. yes, that's why I asked. :) |
| 02:50.56 | teatime | PhantomsDad: I also helped with it :) |
| 02:51.24 | dbglt | maxauthority: it still pops up the little Open with window... |
| 02:51.39 | PhantomsDad | teatime: Uhm, now that u mention it, yes, I remember now. If the wiki docs don't give u the answer, e-mail the admin. He's pretty responsive. |
| 02:51.58 | dbglt | and I chose 'Show file in embedded viewer' for all > all and all > allfiles |
| 02:52.12 | teatime | PhantomsDad: it's grown alot since our mail correspondance.. that got me quite impressed with the wiki system |
| 02:52.23 | teatime | PhantomsDad: still, it looks like you did most of it |
| 02:52.42 | PhantomsDad | teatime: Thx for lying! |
| 02:53.21 | teatime | hmm? |
| 02:53.36 | PhantomsDad | teatime: I mean "thanks for the compliment". |
| 02:53.43 | maxauthority | dbglt: strange. I don't get this dialog but I open all unknown files in an external gvim |
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| 02:54.16 | teatime | PhantomsDad: well.. one only needs to look at "history" to realize it's true :) |
| 02:54.25 | brad- | How come apps.kde.com went down and had to be replaced? And is this a FAQ? ;) |
| 02:54.38 | teatime | brad-: yes, it is |
| 02:54.55 | teatime | I don't remember exactly why though. heh. |
| 02:55.35 | PhantomsDad | brad-: There's a new app site. It was announced at dot.kde.org. |
| 02:55.47 | brad- | Yeah, I've been watching it grow with interest |
| 02:55.54 | maxauthority | brad-: they told its about the money or? |
| 02:56.21 | maxauthority | and I think the new apps.kde.org is even better |
| 02:56.29 | maxauthority | at least it looks better ;) |
| 02:57.13 | brad- | Better layout, organisation |
| 03:01.04 | PhantomsDad | teatime: U prob already know there is a wiki keyword "image". |
| 03:01.35 | PhantomsDad | teatime: U could also try the forums on the CWS site, but they aren't very active. Prob yur best bet is to email luci (the admin). |
| 03:01.51 | teatime | PhantomsDad: ok. thanks. |
| 03:02.12 | teatime | I'm not sure about the "Image" keyword, but I was playing around a bit with the sandbox |
| 03:02.41 | teatime | which has a javascript button to insert among other things the image embedding syntax |
| 03:03.08 | teatime | I'd just prefer to not link offsite images, unless I have to |
| 03:03.37 | teatime | either way... no time now. just a few more days until the hardfreeze. :P |
| 03:04.09 | maxauthority | shit, I can run korgac only as root anymore, and don't know why :( |
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| 03:09.44 | maxauthority | ATT: 8 line flooding! |
| 03:09.52 | maxauthority | ~> korgac |
| 03:09.55 | maxauthority | QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used |
| 03:09.55 | maxauthority | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 03:09.55 | maxauthority | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 03:09.55 | maxauthority | kded: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 03:09.57 | maxauthority | DCOP aborting call from 'anonymous-23844' to 'kded' |
| 03:10.00 | maxauthority | kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed. |
| 03:10.11 | maxauthority | what could be the problem? wrong permissions? |
| 03:19.04 | zzztime | night |
| 03:19.12 | maxauthority | good night |
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| 04:59.45 | BorgQueen | Ah rats, Markey's not here. |
| 05:01.34 | BorgQueen | Well good night, or day as the case maybe. |
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| 05:39.44 | bancher | Greetings and Happy New Year Everyone - can someone tell me a little about the Desktop Floppy Icon and how to make it format ? |
| 05:40.05 | bancher | by the way good job KDE team |
| 05:40.33 | bancher | ok and klipper |
| 05:40.42 | bancher | oh and klipper |
| 05:41.29 | bancher | (watches as the seconds of my life flow by while the real techs are off watching porno somewhere (grin) |
| 05:41.48 | bancher | just kidding |
| 05:43.57 | bancher | ok I thought for sure I would get a response with that goofy line - I guess no t |
| 05:44.16 | bancher | (wonders about XFCE while I wait (smirk |
| 05:44.41 | bancher | 75 users and not one loves me - ok |
| 05:45.24 | bancher | ok then a page - that shows how to tye kfloppy to the format part of KDe desktop icon ? |
| 05:46.40 | bancher | p.S who idea was it to leave out cut and paste in right click menu of Konqueror ? |
| 05:46.50 | bancher | - |
| 05:46.57 | bancher | ok well thanx for the help |
| 05:47.39 | bancher | (marches off now understanding why the KDE help file is so limited when one goes to read it - nice product thank you |
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| 05:49.27 | chealer | Hi, is this the right channel to discuss Konqueror issues? |
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| 06:18.05 | Zalamander | hello |
| 06:18.44 | Zalamander | anyone know offhand is there is a known bug in konqueror 3.1.4 and the display of z-index stacks? |
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| 06:22.12 | sig_vaio | what is the path to the kde icons? |
| 06:22.26 | sig_vaio | when you right click a icon and shows "apps" "devices" etc... ? |
| 06:29.33 | grepper | $KDEDIR/share/icons/<icon set>/<size>/apps |
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| 06:30.11 | sig_vaio | thanks grepper |
| 06:30.14 | Zalamander | ok, konqueror fails to display the example code at w3c correctly :\ |
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| 08:02.29 | Markey- | bko down? |
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| 08:29.32 | Octane | hi, quick q: where do i enable xmouse? |
| 08:31.34 | Octane | you know, automatically focusing on a window where the mouse cursor is on |
| 08:38.44 | sarah03 | Octane: Desktop->Window Behaviour |
| 08:56.56 | Octane | sarah03: thank you, got it :) |
| 08:57.16 | sarah03 | :) |
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| 10:01.59 | ronino | hello |
| 10:02.05 | ronino | anyone who tried latest kwintv? |
| 10:02.31 | ronino | i can't click the next button in the channel wizard |
| 10:04.46 | Octane | dont use kwintv, use mythtv :D |
| 10:05.07 | Octane | but have you tried ALT+N or something |
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| 10:05.32 | ronino | Octane: haven't managed to get it installed yet, somehow the german frequency table or something doesn't work |
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| 10:05.42 | Octane | ronino: talking about mythtv? |
| 10:05.50 | ronino | Octane: yes |
| 10:06.08 | Octane | have you looked at the mailing list's archives? |
| 10:06.15 | Octane | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?t=search_engine&do=search_results&search_forum=cat_2&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&mh=25&search_string=germany+frequency+table |
| 10:06.21 | Octane | answers to exactly what youre looking for |
| 10:06.24 | Octane | i think |
| 10:06.40 | ronino | no yet, the problem was in version 0.12, maybe it's fixed in 0.13 |
| 10:06.55 | Octane | i doubt it |
| 10:07.06 | Octane | sounds like a mythfilldatabase issue |
| 10:07.09 | Octane | check out #mythtv as well |
| 10:07.10 | Octane | and the mailing list |
| 10:07.13 | Octane | lots of resources :) |
| 10:07.29 | ronino | yeah, the prob was with tv_grab_de |
| 10:07.53 | ronino | if i remember correctly i tried the solutions suggested, but didn't get it to work |
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| 10:08.05 | ronino | i have to give it another try later |
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| 10:21.21 | leo | hi all ! |
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| 10:21.52 | leo | how can i create a link that have the same behavior as the "Desktop" icon in kicker ? |
| 10:22.05 | leo | using dcop ? |
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| 10:22.57 | leo | "dcop kicker kicker popupKMenu 0" will popup the KMenu |
| 10:23.26 | leo | and i want a similar command to show the desktop only (minimize all windows) |
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| 10:35.54 | jme-59 | leo: looking at the number of reactions... |
| 10:36.02 | jme-59 | leo: i dont think many people know it |
| 10:36.10 | leo | thanks jme-59 :) |
| 10:36.16 | jme-59 | leo: isnt there any online documentation? |
| 10:36.40 | leo | i search for it, but i didn't managed to find this |
| 10:36.47 | leo | i've played with dcop |
| 10:36.50 | jme-59 | :( |
| 10:36.58 | leo | but couldn't find an answer |
| 10:37.14 | jme-59 | then the best way to find out will probably be the mailing list, or the source |
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| 10:41.31 | leo | thanks |
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| 10:42.55 | jme-59 | leo: np |
| 10:45.20 | tele | less bugs in cvs than beta 2 ? |
| 10:45.59 | jme-59 | knotify can be annoyinh |
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| 10:54.00 | Mooby | Hi |
| 10:55.24 | teatime | hi Mooby |
| 10:55.28 | Mooby | I have a question: I've modified the /usr/share/config/kioslaverc, to set the proxy variable, but konqueror seems not to use them |
| 10:56.00 | Mooby | i.e. when a new user is created konqueror should read this file to get kioslave infos, and find the proxy but it don't. |
| 10:56.26 | Mooby | so declaring a proxy for all users isn't do-able, with only one change in the configuration of kde.... |
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| 11:24.45 | porponnuk | hi, can i configure konsole to copypaste with the mouse without using the right-button menu? |
| 11:25.06 | porponnuk | (like: copy by selecting paste by clicking a single button) |
| 11:27.52 | porponnuk | i don't find that option in the mouse configuration section |
| 11:30.03 | teatime | porponnuk: you should be able to copy-paste in konsole simply by selecting and then pasting with the middle mouse button |
| 11:30.16 | teatime | or left+right button if you don't have a middle button.. |
| 11:32.07 | porponnuk | oh |
| 11:32.28 | porponnuk | nice thing, that |
| 11:32.31 | porponnuk | thanks |
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| 11:54.26 | MikeH | hi, can someone tell me how i install styles and window decorations for kde 3.1? |
| 11:57.26 | teatime | MikeH: have you gotten them from kde-look? there are ususally install instructions |
| 11:57.45 | MikeH | teatime: nm, i have found the file has buildtools |
| 11:58.36 | teatime | right. they need to be compiled |
| 11:59.24 | GoGi | i installed a new system and now my symbols on the kde-bar are too small |
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| 12:00.34 | MikeH | teatime: i realised that :) |
| 12:05.11 | MikeH | teatime: didnt work :-/ it all compiled ok, but its not showing up in kontrol centre |
| 12:05.45 | teatime | MikeH: distro? where did it install to? |
| 12:06.28 | MikeH | suse, and PATH="$PATH:/sbin" ldconfig -n /usr/local/kde/lib/kde3 by the looks of it |
| 12:06.48 | MikeH | i used to use gnome on debian, then i decided to try some other distros so im trying kde :) |
| 12:07.43 | teatime | MikeH: hmm.. I never used suse, but in general KDE looks in paths listed in $KDEDIRS |
| 12:08.00 | teatime | so try to set it to include /usr/local/kde |
| 12:08.04 | teatime | and see if that helps |
| 12:08.13 | MikeH | doesnt exist, |
| 12:08.42 | BoChi | ehrm |
| 12:08.48 | BoChi | kde is in /opt/kde3 in suse |
| 12:09.01 | BoChi | not /usr/local/kde |
| 12:09.06 | MikeH | ok |
| 12:09.14 | BoChi | sh configure --prefix=/opt/kde3 |
| 12:09.16 | BoChi | should work |
| 12:09.35 | BoChi | (at least it works for me :-) |
| 12:09.42 | MikeH | :) thanks |
| 12:09.45 | teatime | yes, assuming he's ok with installing into the main kde dir :) |
| 12:10.07 | BoChi | well, its okay for themes/styles and for most kde apps imho |
| 12:10.50 | teatime | yeah. it's the option most likely to cause the least amount of setup trouble |
| 12:10.56 | MikeH | teatime: im not dumb :) i have just never used kde before |
| 12:11.07 | teatime | MikeH: :) |
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| 12:14.41 | GoGi | how can i increase the size of the symbols in my kde-bar? |
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| 12:27.44 | DirkGently | GoGi: which symbols? |
| 12:27.58 | GoGi | panel buttons |
| 12:28.22 | DirkGently | right-click |
| 12:28.27 | DirkGently | panel menu |
| 12:28.35 | DirkGently | size |
| 12:28.47 | GoGi | the size is "normal" |
| 12:28.51 | GoGi | like i had it before |
| 12:29.03 | GoGi | but then the symbols were bigger |
| 12:29.15 | DirkGently | try changing it and then back |
| 12:29.20 | GoGi | the panel is bug enough |
| 12:29.23 | GoGi | didn't help |
| 12:30.29 | DirkGently | have you had a look at icons in contol centre? |
| 12:30.40 | GoGi | yeah |
| 12:30.46 | DirkGently | oh.. never mind |
| 12:30.51 | DirkGently | can't change it |
| 12:31.24 | GoGi | well it looks quite strange but it's not too bad |
| 12:31.43 | DirkGently | sounds like a distro problem.. |
| 12:31.53 | GoGi | gentoo |
| 12:32.11 | GoGi | and this "apply color to non-kde applications" |
| 12:32.30 | GoGi | i suppose that's only for QT-applications? |
| 12:32.58 | DirkGently | no.. but not all apps work |
| 12:33.20 | GoGi | hm xchat doesn't |
| 12:34.18 | DirkGently | I stick to KDE apps mostly |
| 12:34.25 | DirkGently | except vim |
| 12:34.47 | BoChi | kvim :> |
| 12:35.41 | GoGi | well the gtk2 colors are not too bad |
| 12:35.50 | DirkGently | that's a cheat though.. just a vim frontend |
| 12:36.00 | GoGi | ? |
| 12:36.13 | BoChi | i know :) |
| 12:36.46 | DirkGently | mine you.. k3b is just a commandline tools frontend too |
| 12:36.59 | DirkGently | s/mine/mind/ |
| 12:37.47 | BoChi | well, most kde apps are "only" frontends to commandline tools |
| 12:37.52 | BoChi | but they work anyway :-) |
| 12:38.39 | DirkGently | oh well :¬) |
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| 12:48.26 | MikeH | hi again |
| 12:48.52 | MikeH | 2 questions, 1. all my apps keep opening up in screen 1 instead of screen 0, how can i change that? also, how do i add an extra panel |
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| 12:52.07 | MikeH | oops |
| 12:52.11 | MikeH | i added a panel |
| 12:52.19 | MikeH | but i wanna make the background transparent, is that possible? |
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| 12:57.59 | MikeH | so |
| 12:58.13 | MikeH | is it possible to make a panel transparent, im sure i have done it before, but i cant remember how |
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| 13:01.45 | DirkGently | yes.. I think so MikeH |
| 13:06.21 | DirkGently | MikeH: but only in 3.2 |
| 13:07.43 | MikeH | damn :-/ |
| 13:08.27 | BoChi | yo, works with 2.3 |
| 13:08.31 | BoChi | not with 3.1 |
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| 13:11.40 | MikeH | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=153-1.jpg&name=Acqua <-- is the look im trying to get, that bar at the bottom |
| 13:11.49 | MikeH | and thats a 3.1 theme |
| 13:16.04 | DirkGently | don't know how they did that.. it has the macosx style icon grow |
| 13:16.25 | MikeH | well kde 3.1 does that |
| 13:16.46 | DirkGently | not like that |
| 13:16.51 | MikeH | "Enable Icon Zooming" |
| 13:17.15 | DirkGently | that only zooms the icon you move the mouse over |
| 13:17.54 | DirkGently | osx grows the icons relative to their proximity to the mouse cursor |
| 13:26.40 | MikeH | aah |
| 13:26.57 | MikeH | DirkGently: its kramba kroller whatever that is, just looking into it :) |
| 13:30.12 | DirkGently | yes.. I thought it must be third party |
| 13:30.26 | MikeH | DirkGently: well they have karamba themes on kdelook :) |
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| 13:34.51 | GoGi | is there a way to change the cursors? |
| 13:35.26 | MikeH | anyone know anything about karamba |
| 13:37.18 | teatime | GoGi: in 3.2, yes. else, try google |
| 13:38.06 | GoGi | yes, 3.2 |
| 13:38.12 | GoGi | er no 3.1 |
| 13:38.14 | BoChi | GoGi, there are cursors on kde-look.org |
| 13:38.22 | BoChi | including installation instructions |
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| 14:37.13 | Worf | hmm - how should a .configure search for the correct path to qt includes? |
| 14:38.03 | BoChi | echo $QTDIR/include |
| 14:38.48 | Worf | BoChi: nah - that cannot be right |
| 14:39.28 | BoChi | why? |
| 14:40.19 | Worf | because they can be everywhere since you can specify a different -headerdir in qt ./configure |
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| 14:43.38 | Worf | sigh - that mixxx install is really messed up |
| 14:43.42 | sarah03 | Worf: Find the qt library and do 'strings [qtlib]|grep qt_hdrpath|sed -e "s/qt_hdrpath=//g' |
| 14:44.28 | Worf | sarah03: there must be some better way, since kde does find them without any problems |
| 14:46.47 | Roey | sarah03: are you new here? |
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| 14:48.40 | sarah03 | Hm, no point in responding. |
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| 15:16.25 | DirkGently | missed your chance again sarah03 |
| 15:16.32 | sarah03 | DirkGently: I noticed. |
| 15:16.51 | sarah03 | That's what happens when you're off writing code. |
| 15:17.39 | DirkGently | just trying to work out what prompted the q |
| 15:18.55 | sarah03 | I don't have a clue. |
| 15:19.01 | sarah03 | I mean, yeah, I'm new around here. |
| 15:19.11 | annma | do you write code for kde? |
| 15:19.23 | sarah03 | But it seems the reasonable thing to do.. respond to questions when they're presented if you can figure out an answer. |
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| 15:20.54 | sarah03 | annma: I wanted myself an MT client that integrated with the rest of my desktop. Couldn't find such a beast (kblog in kdenonbeta/kblog only supports Blogger...), so I set about writing my own. |
| 15:21.51 | sarah03 | That's why I showed up around here anyway... was having a problem that I couldn't seem to work out (silly me, not looking at where I was stuffing my widgets...), so I wandered through here to see if anyone might be able to help. |
| 15:23.56 | annma | an MT cliant |
| 15:24.01 | annma | what is that? |
| 15:24.05 | sarah03 | MovableType.. a blogging system |
| 15:24.11 | annma | ohhh ohhh |
| 15:24.20 | annma | this is wanted, yes |
| 15:25.06 | annma | is this like the first app mentioned here: http://women.kde.org/projects/ideas-general.php |
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| 15:26.01 | sarah03 | I would assume it's something like that, though I haven't looked at too many of the other tools out there yet. |
| 15:26.11 | annma | very nice |
| 15:26.38 | annma | if you need any help regarding kde coding you can ask on #kde-devel |
| 15:26.45 | annma | on/in |
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| 15:27.39 | ms_spock | we had a power outage yesterday and now ksysguard comes up asking for a connection to localhost (never seen this in months of running it), None of the options will connect. Docs are no help :-( Any suggestions appreciated es TIA! |
| 15:27.57 | sarah03 | I'm sitting in there as well. That's where I went for answers after not finding any here (and proceeding to search the KDE mailing lists for the location of the developers channel...) |
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| 15:32.38 | cuco | whats the name of that app that docks in the systray and tells you how much disk is availavke on each m,ounted device? |
| 15:32.55 | cuco | kdf does not dock... there is another one which calls kdf... |
| 15:36.46 | bltfast32 | use ksysguard's applet |
| 15:37.43 | cuco | too trickey for a newbie... but thanks... |
| 15:38.16 | jean-b | It's KwikDisk (show space on all devices) |
| 15:38.41 | cuco | jean-b: 10x, that was it |
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| 15:41.26 | Ph0nK | is there a way to get the sftp: service to use the .ssh/config file for configuration options? |
| 15:41.31 | Ph0nK | it doesn't seem to be doing that |
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| 15:43.48 | ms_spock | anyone familiar with ksysguard, it won't connect to localhost anymore :-/. Docs are no help :( |
| 15:46.29 | sarah03 | ms_spock: Is ksysguardd running? |
| 15:46.41 | sarah03 | Never mind. |
| 15:47.59 | sarah03 | Ah. It starts when ksysguard is started. |
| 15:48.00 | ms_spock | sarah03: yes, at the moment, but no connect :-/. |
| 15:48.46 | ms_spock | sarah03: it has worked fine for some time now, we had a power fail today and now this problem shows up :( |
| 15:50.27 | sarah03 | Hm. |
| 15:51.05 | ms_spock | sarah03: disregard, for some reason it is not starting as root anymore, I think I know how to fix that one... |
| 15:51.20 | GoGi | my panel buttons are too small |
| 15:51.23 | GoGi | what can i do? |
| 15:51.28 | GoGi | the panel's size is OK |
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| 15:52.46 | sarah03 | Roey: Need some super glue? |
| 15:52.59 | sarah03 | And, FWIW, I am relatively new around here. |
| 15:53.24 | ms_spock | sarah03: That did it, problem with things that work, sometimes you forget :-), unlike windoz were you get almost constant practice :-) LOL! |
| 15:53.55 | sarah03 | Windows... hmm, the usual fix for anything that goes wrong is "reboot the machine". |
| 15:54.03 | ms_spock | sarah03: Just went into the menu editor and changed ksysguard to run as root and it came up fine :-) |
| 15:54.16 | sarah03 | :) I can imagine that would do it. |
| 15:54.21 | ms_spock | sarah03: or the wipe / reinstall... |
| 15:55.22 | ms_spock | sarah03: when I still was involved with windoz I could literally (and did) install it in my sleep - from windows 2 through 98 when I decided enough was enough :-). |
| 15:55.27 | sarah03 | Bit rot. All Windows installations suffer from it. |
| 15:55.53 | ms_spock | sarah03: Yep, if you got more than 6 months out of an install you were not using it... |
| 15:56.30 | sarah03 | I can still install any version of Windows newer than 3.0 in my sleep. (Happens when, unfortunately, your boss is a Microsoft whore.) |
| 15:56.54 | Roey | sarah03: what's up, why superglue? :) |
| 15:57.08 | Roey | sarah03: your first time with linux or kde specifically? |
| 15:57.08 | ms_spock | sarah03: understand, I live in seattly and it is m$whore city... |
| 15:57.16 | sarah03 | Roey: It appears that peer dislikes you. |
| 15:57.29 | sarah03 | Been using KDE since the 1.0 days, and Linux since Redhat 5.0... |
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| 15:58.27 | Roey | sarah03: right, connection closed by pe..awww.. ha! |
| 15:58.34 | Roey | sarah03: oh nice |
| 15:58.40 | Roey | sarah03: been using kde since 1.x here, too. |
| 15:58.46 | sarah03 | Currently working on my first time writing my first KDE app. |
| 15:58.48 | Roey | sarah03: though I was a latecommer relatively |
| 15:59.03 | Roey | sarah03: maybe using KDE for a few months before KDE 2 came out. |
| 15:59.07 | sarah03 | If I wanted to go digging, I could probably still find that installation. |
| 15:59.10 | Roey | no more like a year. |
| 15:59.30 | Roey | I wonder if KDE 1 still compiles. |
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| 15:59.53 | democlitus | anybody had problem compiling latest qt with xft ? |
| 15:59.55 | sarah03 | I don't see why it wouldn't... but you might have to find an older libstdc++ and an older gcc... |
| 16:00.06 | Roey | that's it |
| 16:00.07 | Roey | and an older X. |
| 16:00.13 | Roey | is there a KDE 1.x theme? |
| 16:00.15 | Roey | for KDE 3? |
| 16:00.27 | Roey | eh I'm just feeling nostalgic. |
| 16:00.47 | sarah03 | I dunno. If I ever get that nostalgic, I go find myself a KDE 1.x app to run. I still have some installed. |
| 16:00.57 | ms_spock | LOL |
| 16:01.12 | Roey | when I first came to KDE and GNOME I was looking for System7 themes (not that I'm a mac user). But then after playing around with the mac themes... I stopped caring |
| 16:01.17 | Roey | ha |
| 16:01.18 | sarah03 | I haven't a clue what they are or where they're located, exactly. |
| 16:01.36 | sarah03 | Probably in /opt somewhere, because they're the ones that came with SuSE 7.1, way back when. |
| 16:01.45 | ms_spock | :-) |
| 16:02.12 | Roey | So was it in college by any chance that you started with kde? |
| 16:02.15 | Roey | I did. |
| 16:02.25 | Roey | ms_spock: jeez :) |
| 16:02.25 | sarah03 | Actually, I hadn't graduated high school at that point. |
| 16:02.34 | Roey | wow |
| 16:02.40 | Roey | that's great (relatively) |
| 16:02.49 | sarah03 | I think I managed to do a full build of KDE and Qt before I ever managed to get a Linux kernel compiled. |
| 16:03.00 | Roey | whoah |
| 16:03.06 | sarah03 | Yup. |
| 16:03.09 | sarah03 | Peer doesn't like him. |
| 16:03.46 | BoChi | Peer is a nasty guy |
| 16:03.50 | democlitus | ms_spock : is that kernel version ? |
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| 16:04.37 | sarah03 | Roey: Sure you don't need that super glue? |
| 16:04.46 | Roey | this is getting ungodo |
| 16:04.48 | Roey | er |
| 16:04.50 | Roey | bad |
| 16:04.52 | Roey | sarah03: YES I need it. |
| 16:04.56 | Roey | I wonder why I'm being disconnected all the time |
| 16:05.27 | Roey | why thank you, sarah03 |
| 16:05.32 | Roey | sarah03: what's your name? I am Roey |
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| 16:08.16 | sarah03 | Roey: So, now that I'm done being obtuse, I'm Sarah. |
| 16:08.28 | BoChi | Hi Sarah |
| 16:08.29 | BoChi | ;P |
| 16:10.42 | sarah03 | 'ello and such. :) |
| 16:15.23 | Roey | sarah03: get ready for flood of messages |
| 16:15.25 | Roey | muahahah |
| 16:15.37 | Roey | sarah03: btw, are you thinking of developing for kde? |
| 16:16.01 | Roey | there is this group, kde-women, maybe you'd be interested in helping them out? |
| 16:16.05 | sarah03 | Roey: see http://b0rked.dhs.org/code/KMT.php .. that's what I've been writing for the past 3 weeks or so. |
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| 16:17.12 | Roey | nice |
| 16:17.13 | sarah03 | Turns out what I'm working on happened to be the first thing that appeared on their list of stuff that would be nice to have done (I just wanted a tool that did the job, and there wasn't such a beast yet.) |
| 16:17.19 | Roey | sarah03: savanna is really into movabletype |
| 16:17.30 | Roey | aye |
| 16:18.16 | sarah03 | I can't say I actually use MovableType. But I took the time to implement it on my blog, figuring I'd be able to find a fully-featured posting tool for it. (And, quite frankly, the Blogger API is damn near worthless.) |
| 16:18.18 | sarah03 | Damn peer., |
| 16:18.52 | sarah03 | Ack. I forgot to update my URL's too. |
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| 16:37.14 | sarah03 | Roey: More glue? |
| 16:41.00 | Roey | what was I kicked off again? |
| 16:41.00 | Roey | ok |
| 16:41.04 | Roey | I'm just heading off ten |
| 16:41.05 | Roey | then |
| 16:41.08 | Roey | see ya all later ;) |
| 16:53.39 | cuco | http://www.devrandom.org.uk/~chris/crashmachine.jpg |
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| 17:05.52 | Chewbakka | hello |
| 17:06.01 | Chewbakka | one question .. ( a long one ;) ) |
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| 17:10.23 | drWorm | will you ask it? :) |
| 17:10.29 | Chewbakka | when a user first starts up kde, he's gonna be asked about the system behaviour (win-,unix-style etc..) if i take windows-style, kde automatically takes a shortcut-theme called "Windows-with-Windows-Keys" (somehow that) ... is it possible to make an entry somewhere, so if that Win-theme is taken by the user that he will also get the other Shortcut-theme called Windows-WITHOUT-Win-keys ? |
| 17:10.32 | Chewbakka | now ;) |
| 17:10.52 | teatime | wow. 3,5 min just to type it.. that IS long :) |
| 17:11.08 | teatime | 4,5 |
| 17:11.09 | teatime | whatever |
| 17:11.28 | Chewbakka | because on my Sparc the windows theme eith winkeys disables my "b"-key =) |
| 17:11.45 | Chewbakka | teatime, hey o also had to think about it ;) |
| 17:13.38 | DirkGently | Chewbakka: sounds like a bug report for kpersonalizer |
| 17:14.50 | aseigo | Chewbakka: hrm... it shouldn't |
| 17:15.04 | aseigo | KKeyNative::keyboardHasWinKey() should return false on your Sparc... |
| 17:15.35 | aseigo | and kpersonalizer checks that before using the windows-with-windows-key layout |
| 17:15.50 | aseigo | otherwise..... you can always replace kwin4.kksrc with kwin3.kksrc |
| 17:16.05 | aseigo | since kwin3.kksrc is the one w/out the win keys =) |
| 17:16.08 | Chewbakka | aseigo, and then the themes are both the same ? |
| 17:16.18 | Chewbakka | where are those files ? |
| 17:16.42 | Chewbakka | i'll back them up and check it |
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| 17:18.53 | Chewbakka | find / -name kwin3.kksrc should show me that file .. shouldn't it ? |
| 17:19.08 | aseigo | Chewbakka: share/apps/kcmkeys/win3.kksrc |
| 17:19.21 | Chewbakka | thnks |
| 17:19.22 | aseigo | from wherever you installed KDE to... e.g. /opt/kde/share/apps/kcmkeys/win3.kksrc |
| 17:19.31 | Chewbakka | k |
| 17:19.47 | Chewbakka | hrhr |
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| 17:24.40 | Chewbakka | aseigo, it worked |
| 17:24.53 | Chewbakka | win3.kksrc was w/out winkeys |
| 17:24.59 | Chewbakka | great |
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| 17:32.39 | smoser | anyone know how I can get http://mosers.us/~smoser/elemOffsetTest.php to work with Konqueror ? |
| 17:33.17 | smoser | its a javascript test to get offsetLeft and offsetTop values. (If someone could test it with 3.2 konqueror i'd appreciate the feedback, doesn't work with my 3.1.3) |
| 17:33.42 | damjan | I'm openning http://linuxpackages.net in konqueror (both kde-3.1 and kde-3.2 beta) and in FireBird... in konqueror the fonts suck... they are not antialliased ... any hints??? |
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| 17:41.16 | aseigo | smoser: trying now |
| 17:43.39 | smoser | aseigo, if you want to try reload, i added a snippit. |
| 17:43.53 | aseigo | damjan: perhaps the font used on your system to render that page aren't AA'able.... it looks nice here =) |
| 17:44.51 | aseigo | offsetLeft: FAIL all 4 had same |
| 17:44.51 | aseigo | offsetTop : WARN likely failure, 2 had same |
| 17:45.59 | smoser | aseigo those are results in konq 3.2 ? |
| 17:46.20 | aseigo | smoser: recent CVS, yes.... am doing an update today, though i wouldn't expect much change |
| 17:46.33 | smoser | ok, so it looks like it will remain broken there. |
| 17:46.35 | smoser | :-( |
| 17:46.38 | smoser | thanks though. |
| 17:48.02 | Chewbakka | although this is no gnome channel i'd question it here ... is it possible to mirror the KDE-Menu in a subfolder in the gnome-menu ? |
| 17:48.10 | Chewbakka | and vice-versa... |
| 17:49.12 | aseigo | with bleeding-edge versions of each, yes... thanks for the freedesktop.org menu standard... previously that was something left up to your distribution though |
| 17:49.44 | damjan | asseigo: hmm it seems that Lucida font in the CSS is no good for me... |
| 17:51.09 | aseigo | grabbing the microsoft fonts really helps for web browsing i find |
| 17:51.18 | damjan | aseigo: it seems KDE/QT is using some old-style X font by the name of "lucida" |
| 17:52.04 | damjan | aseigo: i have the MS TTF fonts... they work fine... the point is KDE/QT is using old-style X fonts ... I don't want that to happen - ever ! |
| 17:52.28 | aseigo | ah... remove the old fonts then ;-) |
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| 17:53.50 | gsuveg | re |
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| 17:54.06 | gsuveg | anybody use qtvision ? |
| 17:54.08 | damjan | aseigo: I've tried that... unfourtenatelly I must have them for the Flash plugin |
| 17:54.17 | aseigo | crappy |
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| 18:22.54 | drunk_penguin | Hello, just installed KDE 3.2 beta2, and have a question for you. I read LinuxFORMAT, an article about KDE 3.2, and new things were listed. But when i installed KDE from apt-get (suse) i couldnæt find KGoldRunner and Kopete! Isn't theese progs finished? |
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| 18:23.16 | lechie | Can someone help me with QT compilation errors please? |
| 18:23.20 | drunk_penguin | ? |
| 18:23.54 | aseigo | drunk_penguin: both should be included with 3.2 |
| 18:24.00 | drunk_penguin | weird... |
| 18:24.15 | aseigo | drunk_penguin: could depend on which alpha/beta you got and how they were built |
| 18:24.23 | aseigo | lechie: perhaps |
| 18:24.51 | drunk_penguin | i apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 18:25.11 | drunk_penguin | about kde says beta2 |
| 18:25.21 | lechie | I'm getting the following error: |
| 18:26.25 | lechie | helloworld.cpp:5:26: qapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:26.37 | drunk_penguin | same problem as I... |
| 18:28.40 | aseigo | lechie: do you have $QTDIR set? |
| 18:28.40 | lechie | drunk_penguin: annoying isnt it? |
| 18:28.54 | phantomdata | lechie: Are you double sure that the qt headers are in the correct path? |
| 18:28.59 | lechie | aseigo: well I've set it in .profile, but when I boot its blank again |
| 18:29.20 | lechie | phantomdata: yeah, i had to find them. They are in /usr/lib/qt3. |
| 18:29.23 | aseigo | obviously not the file that's being sourced then =) trying setting it now and see if that helps |
| 18:31.19 | lechie | how do i set it? |
| 18:31.53 | phantomdata | lechie: "export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3" ? |
| 18:32.14 | phantomdata | Just try setting it right before compiling, to see if that's truly the cause. Then fight with making it persist. |
| 18:34.35 | lechie | I done that and its still the same. Weird thing is, if I type echo $QTDIR in the console i wrote the command in, it echos fine. If I echo in another console, it still has no idea what QTDIR is |
| 18:37.40 | phantomdata | lechie: Erm... |
| 18:37.48 | phantomdata | lechie: When you run export it is only valid for that terminal. |
| 18:38.02 | phantomdata | So, if you export FOO="Blah" in terminal A, it won't show up in terminal B. |
| 18:38.12 | phantomdata | So, you have to run export and gcc in the same terminal. |
| 18:38.45 | phantomdata | (More technically correct I believe, it's only valid for that instance of the shell (which is contained within the x terminal prog you may be running)) |
| 18:39.41 | phantomdata | lechie: That .profile is not necessarily used /everytime/ you open up a terminal. IIRC, .profile is only used for true logins(?). .bash_rc or .bash_profile may be more viable alternatives for you. Don't quote me on that stuff, I'm just going off of my own experience hacking around with 'em. |
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| 18:55.19 | eNovell | hmm.. |
| 18:55.39 | eNovell | KMail lost sync in one of my dirs.. |
| 18:55.56 | eNovell | It's only showing one mail in it, but there are a few hundred there.. |
| 18:56.02 | eNovell | anyone know how to fix it ? |
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| 18:56.28 | xpato | how do i download i program from kde cvs? |
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| 18:58.14 | teatime | xpato: http://developer.kde.org/source/anoncvs.html |
| 18:58.22 | teatime | eNovell: mbox? |
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| 19:01.53 | eNovell | teatime: no |
| 19:01.55 | eNovell | maildir |
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| 19:02.04 | dope_x | hi all!!! |
| 19:02.22 | teatime | eNovell: no idea then |
| 19:04.02 | eNovell | =/ |
| 19:04.31 | actmnophn | can someone help me set up an internet connection. |
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| 19:05.32 | actmnophn | i know what needs to be typed i dont know how to do it automatically in kde.. |
| 19:05.41 | dope_x | kde is not ppp men |
| 19:06.26 | dope_x | mmmm i see |
| 19:06.30 | beavis_ | where can i change the global look of mozilla-firebird? the bars are twice as thick as they should be |
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| 19:07.14 | aseigo | beavis_: probably in firebirds config dialog somewhere.. it isn't part of kde and doesn't interop with the X desktop w/regard to styles, etc... |
| 19:07.15 | Zombie | I have a kooka OCR Question |
| 19:07.29 | Zombie | I have no scanner attached to this machine, but |
| 19:07.30 | aseigo | actmnophn: are you using kppp? |
| 19:07.51 | aseigo | actmnophn: or..... |
| 19:07.55 | Zombie | I DO have a prescanned JPG |
| 19:08.05 | beavis_ | aseigo, is there perhaps a global gtk-config-file? |
| 19:08.16 | Zombie | hoe do I go about processing it through gocr? |
| 19:08.50 | aseigo | beavis_: there are gtk config files, yes... but again, i don't think firebird uses much from gtk+, other than rendering some form elements |
| 19:09.43 | aseigo | Zombie: in the version i have there is an "Import Image" under the File menu |
| 19:10.10 | aseigo | Zombie: after it's "imported" then you can select it in the list of images and then choose Image / OCR Image |
| 19:10.13 | aseigo | from the menubar |
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| 19:10.35 | beavis_ | aseigo, I've already asked in #firebird, they said there is no option to change to bars: it looks like: www.bdam.de/temp (a bad win shot and a linux screen shot) |
| 19:10.46 | BorgQueen | Hey people |
| 19:10.50 | Markey- | yoyo BorgQueen |
| 19:10.57 | BorgQueen | Hey Markey- did you get my email? |
| 19:11.05 | Markey- | hmm let's see |
| 19:11.05 | BorgQueen | yoyo lol |
| 19:11.39 | BorgQueen | I tried 0.8.1 and it gave me similar errors. |
| 19:11.54 | aseigo | beavis_: bah.. just use konqueror =) |
| 19:12.00 | Markey- | BorgQueen: you mean this one: Best QUa1ity and Best PR!CES of -- PHENTERM0NE, V1AGR0, AMBI%EN, S0MA, BUSP0R Onl1ne |
| 19:12.28 | beavis_ | never! :-) is there anyone uning mozilla-firebird? |
| 19:12.28 | aseigo | beavis_: the toolbars in mozilla are part of their proprietary XUL chrome based GUI stuff... |
| 19:13.02 | BorgQueen | Oh ha ha Markey- |
| 19:13.06 | Markey- | BorgQueen: 0.8.1 will not compile on KDE 3.1. but we've sorted out all problems, and will soon release 0.8.2 |
| 19:13.17 | BorgQueen | Ooooh ok |
| 19:13.34 | BorgQueen | So 0.8.2 will compile on 3.1? |
| 19:13.37 | Markey- | we're pretty much fed up with 3.1 compat now |
| 19:13.44 | Markey- | that will be the last version for it |
| 19:13.49 | BorgQueen | ooooh rats |
| 19:13.58 | Markey- | it's really slavework |
| 19:14.06 | BorgQueen | beavis_: what's your Mozilla question? |
| 19:14.19 | Markey- | BorgQueen: yep, 0.8.2 will compile |
| 19:14.28 | BorgQueen | Thank you |
| 19:14.32 | Worf | BorgQueen!!! |
| 19:14.34 | beavis_ | does your firebird look this way on linux: www.bdam.de/temp |
| 19:14.42 | BorgQueen | I can't move up to 3.2 until it's stable. |
| 19:14.49 | Worf | BorgQueen: i installed mixxx, but i have my problems with it... |
| 19:14.52 | BorgQueen | WORF my Klingon! |
| 19:14.59 | BorgQueen | What problem? |
| 19:15.30 | aseigo | BorgQueen: it is stable.. it just hasn't been released as such yet ;-) |
| 19:15.47 | Worf | BorgQueen: first building. it really is a mess. had to fix the makefile after configure. and set all kinds of $VARs ... |
| 19:16.00 | BorgQueen | I had tons of problems with it when I tried it a week ago |
| 19:16.11 | Worf | BorgQueen: then using... it seems to neither support alsa nor arts |
| 19:16.14 | BorgQueen | What distro Worf? |
| 19:16.18 | Worf | SourceMage |
| 19:16.43 | BorgQueen | Never heard of it. |
| 19:16.55 | BorgQueen | I have alsa and oss and it works here with both. |
| 19:17.04 | BorgQueen | Did you update your alsa and oss ? |
| 19:17.30 | BorgQueen | beavis_: My Mozilla looks different because I've modified it. |
| 19:17.49 | Worf | BorgQueen: well - i have not the latest alsa i admit - only 1.0.0rc2 |
| 19:18.01 | BorgQueen | Let me see what I have |
| 19:18.26 | beavis_ | BorgQueen, why are the bars so much bigger on linux then on windows? |
| 19:18.57 | BorgQueen | Probably lower monitor res on Linux |
| 19:19.13 | BorgQueen | Check your resolution settings on Linux |
| 19:19.33 | BorgQueen | Worf I have 0.9.8-1 |
| 19:19.56 | BorgQueen | Markey what's the release date on 0.8.2? |
| 19:20.08 | BorgQueen | No pressure.... |
| 19:20.16 | Worf | BorgQueen: are you sure mixxx uses alsa ? |
| 19:20.17 | Markey- | BorgQueen: not set.. we try to be quick about it |
| 19:20.28 | BorgQueen | Take your time. |
| 19:20.29 | Markey- | on weekend |
| 19:20.30 | Markey- | prolly |
| 19:20.33 | BorgQueen | ok |
| 19:20.47 | BorgQueen | Worf try oss and see what happens |
| 19:21.41 | Zombie | aseigo: Nope. |
| 19:21.44 | BorgQueen | Oh in settings make sure its using the correct sound card and output |
| 19:21.53 | aseigo | Zombie: nope? |
| 19:22.06 | Zombie | No "Import" |
| 19:22.30 | BorgQueen | Worf it also works best with Sound Blasters. |
| 19:22.40 | BorgQueen | brb |
| 19:22.58 | aseigo | Zombie: ah.. perhaps that new in 3.2... in any case you can just copy it manually into ~/.kde/share/apps/ScanImages |
| 19:28.11 | BorgQueen | Worf: Did you get it working? |
| 19:28.32 | Worf | BorgQueen: well - it works somewhat... but oss emulation sucks |
| 19:28.39 | Worf | alsa doesn't work |
| 19:29.04 | BorgQueen | Did you get release 1.1? |
| 19:29.13 | Worf | 1.2.1 |
| 19:29.30 | BorgQueen | Oh, let me get it and test it. |
| 19:29.52 | BorgQueen | Also, you are aware there are two output settings, one for headphones and one for speakers |
| 19:29.53 | Worf | it only lets me select "None" or "OSS" |
| 19:30.27 | BorgQueen | ok that's odd. It maybe broken or something |
| 19:31.10 | BorgQueen | Give me 15 minutes to install and test it ok |
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| 19:45.14 | Worf | oh - alsa is disabled in the project file... |
| 19:45.34 | BorgQueen | Oh really |
| 19:46.49 | Worf | yeah. and enabling leads to cute compile errors |
| 19:46.58 | Worf | all in all, this thing is a bitch to compile |
| 19:48.14 | Worf | don't often see releases with version numbers > 1.0 that need so much special attention to get built |
| 19:48.27 | Worf | like manually adding the qt include path to the makefile |
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| 19:51.28 | BorgQueen | oh |
| 19:51.39 | BorgQueen | Not there yet, too many other things to do yet |
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| 19:59.47 | BorgQueen | Worf 1.2.1 isn't compiling over here. It says it needs a library that's already install. |
| 20:00.48 | Worf | fftw ? :-) |
| 20:00.57 | BorgQueen | Huh? |
| 20:01.02 | Worf | which lib? |
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| 20:01.24 | BorgQueen | libsfftw, which is already installed |
| 20:01.36 | Worf | hehe - yeah - had that problem myself... |
| 20:01.40 | Worf | as i said |
| 20:01.45 | BorgQueen | How did you resolve it |
| 20:02.09 | Worf | i installed fftw2, and made sure it builds the "libsfftw" |
| 20:02.19 | Worf | that was parameter - um - one sec |
| 20:02.40 | Worf | --enable-float --enable-type-prefix |
| 20:03.01 | BorgQueen | ah |
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| 20:03.38 | BorgQueen | OK I'm lost now. |
| 20:03.41 | Worf | one i could fix... now fighting with the next... |
| 20:03.52 | BorgQueen | I have to reinstall libsfftw |
| 20:04.06 | BorgQueen | Or rather fftw? |
| 20:04.16 | Worf | thats the same |
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| 20:04.26 | Worf | "s" is only the single precision thing |
| 20:04.29 | BoChi | lalala |
| 20:04.33 | Worf | "d" would say "double" |
| 20:04.44 | Worf | and per default it uses no prefix, and double |
| 20:05.01 | Worf | at least that is what i found out |
| 20:05.15 | BoChi | lalalaliluu |
| 20:05.15 | BorgQueen | sigh |
| 20:05.25 | BoChi | hi BorgQueen |
| 20:05.32 | BorgQueen | Ah, well help us get this app working |
| 20:05.39 | BorgQueen | mixxx 1.2.1 |
| 20:06.08 | BorgQueen | ok Worf I already have fftw installed, what do you think I should do? |
| 20:06.10 | Zapelius | There is a special button "Terminal sessions" for the panel. How can i customize it? |
| 20:06.45 | Worf | BorgQueen: rebuild it with --enable-float --enable-type-prefix and install again (will give you additional files) |
| 20:06.58 | Zapelius | I can log on any of my hosts by clicking on a shortcut on my desktop, but I wan't to have them in that special button to clean up my desktop |
| 20:07.29 | BorgQueen | ok brb |
| 20:07.52 | richmoore | Zapelius: it is in the konsole configuration dialog |
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| 20:08.10 | BoChi | mixxx still isnt working? |
| 20:08.14 | BoChi | works fine for me :p |
| 20:08.22 | richmoore | Zapelius: the 'session' tab |
| 20:08.23 | BoChi | emerge mixxx <- |
| 20:08.27 | BorgQueen | 1.2.1? |
| 20:08.33 | BorgQueen | Blast you BoChi |
| 20:08.50 | BoChi | ;( |
| 20:09.08 | BorgQueen | lol |
| 20:09.14 | Zapelius | richmoore, thanks. I'll check it |
| 20:09.23 | BorgQueen | Oh no no, no sad face |
| 20:09.24 | richmoore | no probs |
| 20:10.26 | BorgQueen | ok Worf OI |
| 20:10.45 | BorgQueen | I'm DL 3.0.1 is that the one you have? |
| 20:11.02 | Worf | BorgQueen: mixxx needs version 2 |
| 20:11.12 | Worf | of fftw |
| 20:11.15 | BorgQueen | rats |
| 20:11.32 | BorgQueen | so get 2.1.5 |
| 20:21.16 | Worf | sigh - my coding skills are not enough to fix it |
| 20:21.17 | BorgQueen | I have no coding skills |
| 20:21.17 | BorgQueen | but I'm not giving up |
| 20:21.17 | Worf | i'm allready deep inside the alsa developer documentation, and it seems as if it needs quite some rewriting |
| 20:21.17 | Worf | since allready the types used in the playeralsa.h don't eaven exist in alsa |
| 20:21.18 | BorgQueen | oh |
| 20:21.18 | BorgQueen | Well there's always 1.1 |
| 20:21.19 | Worf | same for mixxx 1.1 |
| 20:21.19 | Worf | they simply have no working alsa support yet |
| 20:21.19 | BorgQueen | I have one with the exe already available drag and drop use |
| 20:21.19 | BoChi | drag and drop to mixxx ? |
| 20:21.19 | BoChi | from konqui? |
| 20:21.25 | Worf | does mixxx have some forum or newsgroup or so? |
| 20:21.43 | BorgQueen | I don't know |
| 20:22.11 | BorgQueen | Just untar it, look for the mixxx binary and hit it from konq or from term |
| 20:27.31 | BorgQueen | It seems 1.2.1 is just really messed up |
| 20:28.55 | BorgQueen | Yeah I'm sticking to 1.1 |
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| 20:49.41 | SLi | Hello. I think I found quite a strange bug in Konqueror (3.1.4) and now I'm wondering if I should report it or if it's already fixed in CVS. |
| 20:50.13 | BorgQueen | What is it? |
| 20:50.39 | SLi | http://jt6-205.tky.hut.fi/bug.html - at line 11, if it's viewed using UTF8 coding, the last > is shown as <. |
| 20:50.49 | SLi | On almost any other coding it's shown as >. |
| 20:51.36 | BorgQueen | Do a search for it, if you don't see anything similar, then post it. |
| 20:51.48 | SLi | Ok. |
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| 20:52.00 | GoGi | can i do anything if my panel buttons are too small? |
| 20:52.32 | richmoore | SLi: still present in HEAD |
| 20:52.32 | BorgQueen | Pardon? |
| 20:52.43 | SLi | richmoore, ok. |
| 20:53.11 | SLi | I first thought W3 validator was broken when it showed it like that :-) |
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| 20:54.11 | GoGi | how can i make kmix start when kde starts? |
| 20:56.51 | BorgQueen | open it, minimize it and save session. |
| 20:56.51 | GoGi | ok wait |
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| 20:56.52 | GoGi | i can't save session |
| 20:56.52 | BorgQueen | Ah, hmm |
| 20:56.52 | BorgQueen | Are you sure |
| 20:56.52 | BorgQueen | blasted phone, brb |
| 20:56.52 | GoGi | that would be on K->Logout "gogi" |
| 20:56.52 | GoGi | it existed on my old kde installation |
| 20:56.52 | GoGi | but now it's not there |
| 20:56.56 | BorgQueen | see what you have in kcontrol |
| 20:57.26 | damjan | GoGi: go to control center and see what it says abput session management |
| 20:58.24 | damjan | GoGi: select manual or auto save session |
| 20:58.52 | GoGi | damjan: where? |
| 20:59.21 | GoGi | i think i found it |
| 20:59.37 | GoGi | hmm no |
| 21:00.06 | GoGi | or wait |
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| 21:01.20 | GoGi | it works, thanks |
| 21:03.09 | BorgQueen | Need to go, bbl bye people |
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| 21:14.00 | richmoore | SLi: your bug only occurs if the > is at the end of a line of the html source code |
| 21:14.36 | richmoore | SLi: do you have a bug number yet? |
| 21:14.46 | SLi | Yes, just a moment... |
| 21:14.52 | SLi | 72191 |
| 21:15.16 | richmoore | thx |
| 21:19.17 | SLi | Apparently Safari's khtml shows it correctly. |
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| 21:22.29 | h2k | if i'm not wrong, then plastik is kde 3.2 default theme? |
| 21:22.47 | h2k | or i am wrong? |
| 21:24.04 | richmoore | you're wrong |
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| 21:24.46 | h2k | deem |
| 21:24.52 | h2k | still geramik? |
| 21:26.48 | richmoore | it is the same as 3.1 dunno what that keramic iirc |
| 21:28.14 | richmoore | SLi: i trimmed down your testcase i can't spot the problem though |
| 21:28.20 | SLi | Ok. |
| 21:29.35 | richmoore | you seem to need a pretty specifc combination of stuff to make this happen btw |
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| 21:30.42 | SLi | Yeah, I was also lucky to tick that "show source" checkbox in the W3 validator and then to spot that in the resulting page :p |
| 21:31.18 | richmoore | if i take out any of the minimal test case it works fine |
| 21:31.49 | richmoore | even the anchor on the next line is needed |
| 21:32.11 | SLi | :-) |
| 21:32.48 | richmoore | i think that is actually what you're seeing and the > is getting mistakenly eaten |
| 21:32.58 | h2k | is it possible to convert kde 3.1 theme to gtk2 theme? |
| 21:33.19 | richmoore | no the gtk theme engine isn't powerful enough |
| 21:33.59 | richmoore | SLi: the error is in the renderer, the DOM looks ok |
| 21:36.34 | SLi | Sounds strange. But then I've never tried to implement an HTML renderer :P |
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| 21:39.09 | k-s | hello |
| 21:39.22 | k-s | anybody that uses the us_intl keyboard layout? |
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| 21:40.33 | k-s | I'm brazilian and have one of those, kde never had problem, but now it's acting like gnome did, using ?(c-acute) instead of 'ç'(c-cedil) |
| 21:40.44 | k-s | although gnome doesn't have that problem right now |
| 21:41.16 | k-s | (actualy, I get the ç copying & pasting it from mozilla) |
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| 21:49.04 | cinix | Is there any audio software that allows me to access address's like konqueror does? what I'm looking to do is play something from audiocd:/ without having to copy the file to my hard drive |
| 21:49.50 | cinix | kscd plays, but I assume it plays analog, and I don't have an audio cable going from my cdrom to the soundcard. also I'd use something like xine to play audio cd's but it seems to lockup when I hit the cd button. |
| 21:50.03 | cinix | yet dvd's always play fine. |
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| 21:51.47 | kandinski | is there a kioslave for cloop? |
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| 21:54.07 | SlyMcFly | Hey everyone |
| 21:54.10 | SlyMcFly | I have a few questions |
| 21:54.11 | cinix | don't even know what cloop is :) or I'd try and help yah |
| 21:54.32 | SlyMcFly | first of all, I'm using kde 3.2beta and I would like to know how to setup a mouse gesture to close a window |
| 21:54.38 | SlyMcFly | I already have the mouse gesture mapped |
| 21:54.44 | SlyMcFly | but I don't know the command to close a window |
| 21:55.10 | kandinski | cloop: closed loop, the type of file for Knoppix live-cds |
| 21:56.35 | cinix | SlyMcFly: are you talking about keyboard shortcuts? |
| 21:56.55 | cinix | like Alt-F4? |
| 21:56.56 | SLi | kandinski, s/closed/compressed/ if I'm not mistaken. |
| 21:57.21 | kandinski | SLi: thanks. |
| 21:57.40 | kandinski | it's late and I am troubleshooting |
| 21:58.41 | SlyMcFly | no, a mouse gesture |
| 21:58.53 | SlyMcFly | so if I move the mouse while holding a button it will do an actoin |
| 21:59.12 | SlyMcFly | but, forget that |
| 21:59.19 | SlyMcFly | if i just want to do a keyboard shortcut |
| 21:59.24 | SlyMcFly | what would be the command to close a window? |
| 21:59.28 | SlyMcFly | and to maximise it? |
| 22:00.46 | cinix | Well I know in the control panel, under Regional & Accessibility, is your keyboard shortcuts |
| 22:02.08 | SlyMcFly | oh ok |
| 22:02.39 | SlyMcFly | i have one more question, how do I invert the scroll mouse so that when i move it up, it'll go to desktop 2 instead of desktop 4 if I'm on desktop 1 |
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| 22:04.22 | Guillaumito | hi |
| 22:04.28 | Guillaumito | I have a font problem |
| 22:05.23 | Guillaumito | kde can't find some of my fonts, like "fixed" |
| 22:05.23 | k-s | there is any way to change the session encoding in konsole? I use UTF-8 at home, but sometimes I ssh to some iso8859-1 and some chars doesn't display |
| 22:07.22 | annma | Guillaumito: gentoo? |
| 22:07.26 | Guillaumito | debian |
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| 22:08.44 | annma | Guillaumito: did you try the Kde Control Center? |
| 22:09.24 | Guillaumito | what should I try in the control center ? |
| 22:09.45 | Guillaumito | ahh yes |
| 22:10.06 | Guillaumito | they are not here |
| 22:10.28 | kandinski | Gullaumito: try qtconfig |
| 22:10.47 | kandinski | it tells how you configure fonts for all qt applications |
| 22:11.41 | Guillaumito | I try... |
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| 22:12.34 | kandinski | apt-get install qt3config if you are on Debian |
| 22:12.42 | Guillaumito | done |
| 22:12.51 | |QuaD| | hey, i used to use gnome, switching to kde, how i get the screensavers i have on my system to go with kde? according to the place in kde where i pick screensavers i have none |
| 22:12.58 | kandinski | and also try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig, it tells the fontserver how to use fonts |
| 22:13.46 | kandinski | what I did is: reconfigure fontconfig to tell it to use only scalable fonts, the autohinter and no subpixel (don't like it on CRTs) |
| 22:14.10 | kandinski | then qtconfig for system font |
| 22:14.41 | bayertm | How do I make my taskbar transparent? |
| 22:14.46 | Guillaumito | what should I do with qtconfig ? |
| 22:14.51 | kandinski | then control panel/look and themes/fonts (sorry, real name might be different, I am on a spanish system) |
| 22:15.06 | kandinski | and there choose for fixed font one that you like |
| 22:15.16 | cinix | |QuaD| you have to install the screensaver packages. |
| 22:15.19 | Guillaumito | hoho, they're back ! |
| 22:15.30 | Guillaumito | my fonts are back ! |
| 22:15.30 | cinix | I know on debian it's rss-glx, and like kscreensaver i think |
| 22:15.30 | kandinski | qtconfig you get the fonts tab and choose a font you like for default |
| 22:15.31 | Guillaumito | thx kandinski |
| 22:15.52 | |QuaD| | cinix: where can i find them? do i have to install each screensaver that came with my system over again? |
| 22:15.52 | kandinski | recommend Bitstream Vera Sans, has been free-licensed for Gnome |
| 22:16.00 | Guillaumito | kandinski: thank you very much |
| 22:16.07 | kandinski | C'est rien Guillaumito |
| 22:16.29 | kandinski | the fun part is I've only been using KDE/Debian since Jan 1st |
| 22:16.53 | kandinski | but I am fussy with fonts, so I have already explored a lot |
| 22:17.16 | Guillaumito | I've installed my debian two days ago |
| 22:17.30 | Guillaumito | before I was using mandrake |
| 22:17.44 | Guillaumito | and I use KDE because of showimg |
| 22:18.00 | kandinski | Knoppix turned me from the dark side |
| 22:18.24 | Guillaumito | yes, knoppix is looking so good |
| 22:19.35 | Guillaumito | kandinski: encore merci et a bientot |
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| 22:19.51 | kandinski | de rien |
| 22:26.19 | k-s | why the knotes systray icon changed these days? It's quite ugly :( |
| 22:26.19 | k-s | KDE: 3.1.94 (CVS >= 20031206) |
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| 22:30.42 | Drantin | ok... um... I have a bug very much like #41442, except that it's in KDE 3.1.4 rather than 3.0... (problem of top macos-like menubar not going away when the option is deselected...) |
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| 23:09.18 | DominicB_ | Could someone having KDE CVS help me verifying a bug? |
| 23:09.45 | DominicB_ | Please open http://webserv.upb.de/cs/ag-bloemer/lehre/krypto1_WS2003/material/slides11_12.ps with KGhostview |
| 23:09.57 | DominicB_ | the text will appear upside-down. |
| 23:10.41 | DominicB_ | Now change the view to display it correctly (I don't know the english translation of the menus), but that should be easy ;) |
| 23:11.09 | DominicB_ | Now use Alt+Tab to give focus to another application and Alt+Tab to give focus to KGhostview again. |
| 23:11.39 | DominicB_ | The text appears upside-down again for me until I use PgUp/PgDown to go to a new page. |
| 23:11.48 | annma | it does not open for me |
| 23:11.51 | DominicB_ | If someone can confirm that, I will post a bug report |
| 23:12.03 | annma | I cannot connect to the ps file |
| 23:12.05 | DominicB_ | it does not open at all? that's strange |
| 23:12.59 | DominicB_ | hm... it works for me... reproduceable ;) |
| 23:13.15 | annma | I download it |
| 23:13.27 | annma | so it's upside down |
| 23:15.07 | DominicB_ | so please do "view -> orientation -> landscape mirrored" or something like that (I just have a german version) |
| 23:15.08 | annma | ok, I have it up |
| 23:15.13 | annma | yes |
| 23:15.33 | annma | confirmed |
| 23:15.45 | DominicB_ | ok, thx |
| 23:15.48 | annma | in fact it was very difficult to get it the right way |
| 23:15.57 | annma | isn't it due to the ps file? |
| 23:16.15 | annma | why is it upside-down? |
| 23:16.21 | DominicB_ | I don't know |
| 23:16.29 | richmoore | use seascape |
| 23:16.49 | DominicB_ | quite often some professors of mine produce flipped slides. I don't know why ;) |
| 23:16.49 | richmoore | then it is the right way up |
| 23:17.24 | annma | richmoore: this one is a bit strange |
| 23:17.24 | DominicB_ | richmoore: yes, but giving the focus to another application and switching back undoes the setting. |
| 23:17.25 | richmoore | it is possible to write a ps file that uses a random orientation if you really want to |
| 23:17.42 | richmoore | no if i choose seascape i have no problems |
| 23:17.45 | DominicB_ | the page will appear turned |
| 23:17.45 | annma | it was seascape and was the wrong way |
| 23:17.47 | richmoore | (with HEAD) |
| 23:18.08 | annma | you use kgostview head and this file is ok/ |
| 23:18.09 | DominicB_ | ok, even though you switch the orientation? (than I will not post a bug report) |
| 23:18.22 | DominicB_ | s/orientation/application/ ;-) |
| 23:18.26 | richmoore | i switch to seascape then type in here and it is still fine |
| 23:18.55 | annma | yes, now it's ok |
| 23:19.06 | richmoore | apart from the fact i can't read the equations in german :-) |
| 23:19.18 | annma | it's also ok for me, that's richmoore's magic |
| 23:19.24 | DominicB_ | lol |
| 23:19.33 | richmoore | :-) |
| 23:19.38 | annma | :) |
| 23:20.08 | DominicB_ | ok, fine. Thanks |
| 23:21.02 | DominicB_ | you can earn a lot of money with this trick ;) |
| 23:21.37 | annma | lol |
| 23:21.55 | richmoore | you don't want to sell me death sticks, you want to go home and rethink your life |
| 23:22.10 | kandinski | DominicB_, what does Konq use to view ps files as a default? |
| 23:22.39 | richmoore | ghostview |
| 23:22.43 | richmoore | via kghostview |
| 23:23.00 | kandinski | I am using sid from knoppix |
| 23:23.30 | kandinski | and here it shows ok when I come back from tab-switching to other app |
| 23:23.49 | kandinski | but you said the bug was in CVS KDE, isn't it? |
| 23:24.00 | DominicB_ | no, I am using beta 2 (gentoo) |
| 23:24.09 | richmoore | and i am using HEAD from a few days ago |
| 23:24.19 | DominicB_ | ok, so the bug is probably fixed already |
| 23:24.28 | richmoore | looks like it ;-) |
| 23:24.29 | DominicB_ | (or originates from my ghostview) |
| 23:24.32 | DominicB_ | great :) |
| 23:24.35 | richmoore | that is possible |
| 23:25.22 | kandinski | richmore: xcuse my ignorance, what is HEAD? |
| 23:25.36 | richmoore | it is the latest development source code |
| 23:25.53 | richmoore | it is the cvs term for the latest code of the development branch |
| 23:26.46 | richmoore | eg. you cannot commit a change to any file except one that has the HEAD tag (which moves automatically if you make the change) |
| 23:27.08 | kandinski | thanks |
| 23:27.12 | richmoore | no problem |
| 23:39.35 | kandinski | I got a problem with openoffice on kde |
| 23:40.18 | kandinski | just apt-got the latest openoffice-es (I'm Spanish) and now panel icon doesn't work |
| 23:40.54 | kandinski | what do I do to debork it? |
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