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| 00:04.59 | aelfgar_ | is it possible to change a specific color in Konsole, the blue is very hard to read and I wanted to change just that specific color to a lighter blue |
| 00:06.31 | kandalf | hmm |
| 00:06.59 | kandalf | aelfgar: maybe you want to write a patch for that. Should be fairly simple to add a kcolordialog to select the color you want |
| 00:07.33 | aelfgar | kandalf: alright, ill play around with that... sometimes i wish i had better eyesight |
| 00:10.05 | DirkGently | anyone know what this means? |
| 00:10.17 | DirkGently | Makefile:2679: warning: overriding commands for target `filteredit_base.moc' |
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| 00:11.19 | DirkGently | running make in korganizer cvs |
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| 00:13.36 | iceberg | how can i use my own make file in kdevelop? |
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| 00:13.58 | senfman | hi |
| 00:14.15 | senfman | Why does the Adressbook save the Files in the dos file format? |
| 00:16.03 | kderules | /? |
| 00:16.25 | senfman | even if you use the export function dos-style End-of line is used. |
| 00:17.49 | kderules | /leave |
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| 00:33.47 | manchine | what the hell is lart_lgpl_2 and where can i fetch it? |
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| 00:34.12 | maui | hello |
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| 00:38.24 | Skyhusker | hi all |
| 00:38.43 | Skyhusker | is there anyway to toggle show desktop using command line in kde 3.2? |
| 00:39.10 | maui | seems like no one he alive.... |
| 00:39.17 | maui | sorry mna idk |
| 00:39.23 | maui | i dont hav e 3.2 yet |
| 00:39.40 | Skyhusker | i think there is not |
| 00:39.54 | Skyhusker | i've searched in dcop for 15 minutes xD |
| 00:40.04 | maui | lol |
| 00:40.14 | Skyhusker | rotfl |
| 00:40.14 | Skyhusker | xD |
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| 00:44.51 | hydan | i've been trying to configure my dad's k-menu, and i added a submenu called programs |
| 00:44.56 | hydan | but's it's not showing up |
| 00:45.14 | maui | login then logout |
| 00:45.21 | hydan | alright |
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| 00:45.31 | maui | kde is a little slow when it comes to kicker/menu |
| 00:45.59 | kandalf | or call kbuildsycoca && dcop kicker Panel restart |
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| 00:47.57 | hydan | nope |
| 00:48.00 | hydan | didn't |
| 00:48.02 | hydan | work |
| 00:48.20 | hydan | all the menus have disappeared |
| 00:49.03 | hydan | even the KDE Menu Editor is not showing the submenu now |
| 00:49.28 | maui | sounds like you fuked up somewhere |
| 00:49.33 | hydan | aah i found it |
| 00:49.40 | maui | good |
| 00:49.40 | hydan | it's hidden |
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| 00:49.55 | hydan | how do i unhide it? |
| 00:52.10 | hydan | there we go |
| 00:52.13 | hydan | i unhid it |
| 00:52.54 | DirkGently | hydan: so you don't even need us |
| 00:53.00 | hydan | hehe |
| 00:53.03 | hydan | i wouldn't say that |
| 00:53.23 | hydan | i'm still configuring my family's desktops to make it real easy for them to use |
| 00:53.24 | DirkGently | you seem to have proved it this time :¬) |
| 00:53.49 | hydan | when i start to configure mine, i'm definately going to need some help |
| 00:54.11 | hydan | for instance, what's the command to upgrade kde in debian? |
| 00:54.27 | hydan | i'm going to need to know that |
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| 00:55.16 | hydan | and i'm going to be theming my desktop to look like osx or something totally different from current OSs |
| 00:56.01 | maui | indeed |
| 00:56.10 | maui | best theme |
| 00:56.17 | maui | aside fomr industrial GTK |
| 00:56.24 | maui | from* |
| 01:03.34 | hydan | bbl |
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| 01:11.11 | IRCJohn | hi all |
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| 01:12.06 | IRCJohn | Anyone know how to view filename with another lauguage/encoding in konqueror? |
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| 01:17.44 | IRCJohn | Anyone here? |
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| 01:19.10 | DirkGently | it's usually fairly quiet in here at this time of European night |
| 01:19.12 | kandalf | IRCJohn: jupp |
| 01:19.20 | kandalf | yepp :) |
| 01:19.23 | IRCJohn | oic... |
| 01:19.32 | IRCJohn | how can I do so, kandalf? |
| 01:19.43 | kandalf | but I'm in OR so I'm awake :) |
| 01:19.51 | furkan | how i can do a transparant toolbar on kde? |
| 01:20.16 | kandalf | transparent toolbar, hmm, I think that's currently only possible if you reimplement kmenubar |
| 01:20.27 | kandalf | the easiest thing to do is to check out the freedesktop.org xserver |
| 01:20.34 | kandalf | that does transparency everywhere :) |
| 01:21.01 | furkan | thanks |
| 01:22.57 | IRCJohn | how can I view filename with different locale? kandalf? |
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| 01:28.19 | kandalf | filename with different locale _ |
| 01:28.19 | kandalf | ? |
| 01:28.34 | kandalf | hmm I guess using the locale or something |
| 01:28.37 | IRCJohn | Right! |
| 01:28.55 | kandalf | at least you will need the locale being installed, that's not the case with debian for example |
| 01:28.57 | IRCJohn | but when I open a xterm, change the locale, start the konqueror again, |
| 01:29.14 | IRCJohn | the konqueror use the same encoding for the file view. |
| 01:29.16 | kandalf | oh I see what you're saying, hmm |
| 01:29.20 | symbiont | kde 3.1.4 with qt 3.2.3 does funky things with the fonts given different DPI settings coming from X. It gets worse with TTF type fonts from MS. Anyone run into this and is there some rc I need to edit to control this behavior? |
| 01:29.50 | kandalf | symbiont: ehm, the fontconfig files I think |
| 01:30.03 | kandalf | there's howtos, just look up fontconfig qt kde on google |
| 01:30.14 | symbiont | i'll pull out the proverbial: "GNOME works fine." |
| 01:30.19 | kandalf | LOL |
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| 01:30.40 | symbiont | so, why would i look into fontconfig if GNOME handles things great? |
| 01:30.53 | kandalf | well, then try kcontrol :) |
| 01:31.08 | IRCJohn | icic.... |
| 01:31.31 | IRCJohn | But actually, I hope to have a "view->encoding" menu in kde... |
| 01:31.37 | symbiont | worse, when i go into multi-head with xinerama, the anti-aliasing in qt shuts down, I have a feeling it is centered around DPI issues |
| 01:31.45 | IRCJohn | so that it can change in runtime. |
| 01:32.05 | IRCJohn | I mean in konqueror. |
| 01:32.06 | kandalf | symbiont, IRCJohn: bugs.kde.org :) |
| 01:32.40 | IRCJohn | You mean we should report this "feature" to there? |
| 01:32.47 | IRCJohn | or just search there for our answer? |
| 01:32.49 | symbiont | bugs isn't a good place to discuss and determine whether something needs to be done |
| 01:32.56 | symbiont | mailing lists or irc |
| 01:35.39 | DirkGently | besides.. it could be a distro bug |
| 01:36.19 | IRCJohn | what do u mean a dirtro bug? |
| 01:37.23 | symbiont | kde-redhat packaging |
| 01:37.26 | symbiont | possibly |
| 01:37.41 | IRCJohn | ic... |
| 01:38.51 | symbiont | i apt-get upgrade to kde 3.1.5 before it was announced! |
| 01:39.06 | symbiont | not even tagged yet in cvs |
| 01:39.14 | symbiont | not sure how they pulled it out |
| 01:39.23 | symbiont | anyway, the problem was happening before. |
| 01:42.19 | furkan | i dowload this theme 8551-Milk_v2.0.tar.bz2 on kde-look.org i want to install how i can do it ? |
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| 01:42.48 | DirkGently | 3.1.5 isn't official |
| 01:43.14 | furkan | note:i rite that # sh ./install.sh |
| 01:43.46 | furkan | but after it not in Appearence&theme |
| 01:45.27 | ShockValue | ok, this is probably a FAQ, but i cant find it... how do i make superkaramba stuff stick as the 'bottom layer' ? it seems to have it on top of everything... |
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| 02:43.56 | dung | kde is good |
| 02:44.12 | Dhraakellian | no, really? |
| 02:44.46 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
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| 02:56.04 | puetzk | dung: glad you like it |
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| 03:00.03 | oneforall | kmyfirewall this any good |
| 03:05.19 | puetzk | dunno, the only one I've ever worked with is guidedog/guarddog (you can use either or both, depending on whether you want to setup the security aspects of iptables or the advanced routing ones) |
| 03:06.24 | puetzk | kmyfirewall looks OK, albiet not much simpler than just setting up iptables yourself |
| 03:06.53 | puetzk | since it seems to expose the whole chain/rule/forward as-is |
| 03:07.43 | puetzk | ah, OK, guarddog has a kde3 version he just missed a spot on his page |
| 03:08.37 | dung | konqueror kicks ass man, mozilla should be ashamed of itself all bloated and sucky like that |
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| 03:09.02 | dung | of course konqueror still renders some site wrong but the overall experience is much better |
| 03:09.44 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:10.02 | Dhraakellian | but until I can get 3.2(beta2) installed, I'm gonna stick with FB |
| 03:10.45 | dung | fb? |
| 03:10.49 | puetzk | dung: I dunno, firebird is pretty nice too |
| 03:10.56 | puetzk | (which is mozilla's latest piece of work) |
| 03:11.03 | dung | ya its not bad |
| 03:11.11 | puetzk | I use konqueror, but I won't disparage firebird as bloated and sucky :-) |
| 03:11.21 | dung | i only used firebird breifly |
| 03:11.22 | Dhraakellian | well, perhaps the Gecko part of it |
| 03:11.26 | dung | but i used mozilla extensively |
| 03:12.04 | puetzk | nah, Gecko is fast |
| 03:12.15 | puetzk | KHTML is catching up, bug Gecko is quite fast |
| 03:12.22 | puetzk | s/bug/but/ |
| 03:12.32 | puetzk | (bug is in my fingers, apparently) |
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| 03:18.05 | oneforall | puetzk I got it setup but it not that easy . I don't understand it all . and I want something that easy to switch on and of . not tring to remember what line to change etc . |
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| 03:19.40 | oneforall | so there no linux firewal gui for security and advanced routing |
| 03:19.43 | puetzk | oneforall: well, if you're asking for a recommendation I really liked guarddog/guidedog |
| 03:20.34 | oneforall | where is that one ? sf ? |
| 03:20.37 | puetzk | I haven't used them in a while, but there were (and probably remain, since development seems to be active still) excellent GUI's for the linux firewall capabilities |
| 03:20.43 | oneforall | and it have a screen shot to :0 |
| 03:20.49 | puetzk | http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/ |
| 03:21.22 | puetzk | it works in terms of machines (or zones) and protocols, which I found much easier to setup than the specific forwarding rules needed |
| 03:21.24 | kandalf | kde-apps.org |
| 03:21.40 | oneforall | yeah there is a screenshot link :) |
| 03:21.47 | oneforall | thanks will look at it |
| 03:24.01 | oneforall | $IPTABLES -A tcp_packets -p TCP -s 0/0 --dport 21 -j allowed this that style ? |
| 03:24.03 | puetzk | guarddog is for the security aspecects of iptables, guiddog for the routing ones (aka NAT) |
| 03:24.07 | oneforall | pors |
| 03:24.17 | puetzk | you can use both at once of course |
| 03:24.24 | oneforall | ports |
| 03:24.28 | puetzk | but the goals are quite different, and thus so are the UI's |
| 03:24.52 | kandalf | he |
| 03:24.57 | kandalf | we need a program for kdebase |
| 03:25.00 | kandalf | winver |
| 03:25.04 | oneforall | whats nat again ? imasq is lan local area network |
| 03:25.14 | kandalf | that tells you which version you're running g |
| 03:25.14 | puetzk | NAT is ipmasq |
| 03:25.18 | puetzk | for anyone but linux |
| 03:25.26 | kandalf | network address translation |
| 03:25.32 | oneforall | oh thought it was lan |
| 03:25.38 | puetzk | linux calls it ipmasq, everyone else calls it NAT (network address translation) |
| 03:25.39 | kandalf | local area network |
| 03:25.55 | oneforall | so its both lan nat |
| 03:26.00 | kandalf | nope :) |
| 03:26.12 | kandalf | lan = local area network |
| 03:26.13 | oneforall | what considered lan then |
| 03:26.25 | kandalf | nat = network address translation |
| 03:26.33 | kandalf | that's two different things |
| 03:26.37 | oneforall | yeah that I knew but what is considered a lan then |
| 03:26.42 | kandalf | nat connects lans to another network |
| 03:27.02 | puetzk | kandalf: though a LAN need not use NAT if you own enough IP addresses |
| 03:27.11 | kandalf | true :) |
| 03:27.17 | oneforall | I always though my ipmas computers are on a lan then my local area network |
| 03:27.21 | kandalf | then you don't have a router in between :) |
| 03:28.15 | oneforall | ipmasq |
| 03:30.24 | oneforall | ugh I'm still lost then on whats a lan . |
| 03:31.16 | oneforall | nat is the address translation so lan is you local area network wich is the ipmasq computer you have right ? |
| 03:31.34 | kandalf | nope |
| 03:31.48 | kandalf | the computer that does ipmasq is doing NAT |
| 03:31.52 | kandalf | that is the same thing |
| 03:32.03 | oneforall | the 192.168... is translated with nat to have it send with you ip# . piggy backed |
| 03:32.12 | kandalf | and what he does by doing NAT is routing one local area network into another network |
| 03:32.20 | kandalf | yes |
| 03:32.24 | kandalf | something like that |
| 03:32.53 | oneforall | so since its ipmaq that nat not lan. |
| 03:33.15 | oneforall | lan would be it they had there own ip# |
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| 03:33.48 | Roey | hi |
| 03:33.53 | Roey | where do you enable large mouse cursor? |
| 03:35.14 | oneforall | be it/be if |
| 03:36.26 | oneforall | ok ipmasq is nat whats a darn lan then ? I allways thought that ipmasq was lan . Its my local area network ? |
| 03:37.06 | oneforall | damn things that sound like something and end up being something else ugh frustrating :( |
| 03:38.36 | puetzk | Roey: hmm, good question ;-0 |
| 03:38.43 | Roey | myesss :) |
| 03:38.47 | Roey | see I asked it here too :) |
| 03:38.51 | Roey | puetzk: SO many things weird with KDE. |
| 03:38.54 | Roey | like.. |
| 03:39.00 | Roey | why is it that when I install Noia |
| 03:39.09 | Roey | through Control Center... |
| 03:39.31 | Roey | the konqueror icon in the three-icon preview at the top is NOT Noia's icon. |
| 03:39.31 | Roey | ? |
| 03:39.51 | puetzk | Roey: you can set the env var XCURSOR_SIZE, but I don't see anywhere in the GUI to do it |
| 03:40.00 | Roey | wokay. |
| 03:40.00 | puetzk | since the XCursor code went in |
| 03:40.04 | Roey | XCURSOR_SIZE... hmm... |
| 03:40.08 | Roey | what do I set? |
| 03:40.16 | puetzk | pixels, roughly |
| 03:40.35 | Roey | oh ok |
| 03:40.38 | puetzk | it will pick the closest available images from the cursor theme you have active (which you can pick in kcontrol) |
| 03:40.40 | Roey | what a hack, this option. |
| 03:40.56 | puetzk | but apparently the size choice got misplaced ;-) |
| 03:41.27 | Roey | :) |
| 03:41.29 | Roey | oh kevin |
| 03:41.33 | Roey | there are so many things to fix with kde. |
| 03:41.39 | Roey | and so many things to add. |
| 03:41.51 | Roey | sigh. |
| 03:41.52 | Roey | btw... |
| 03:42.00 | Roey | could you help me figure something out with debuild? |
| 03:42.01 | Roey | do you debuild? |
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| 03:42.46 | oneforall | man I have ppl telling me yes ans some saying no . ugh . lan LOcal area network. so all the ipmasq computer are lan they are on my local area network and nat translates the 192.168.1.x to the host doing the ipmasq's ip # |
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| 03:43.08 | puetzk | oneforall: the two are different concepts |
| 03:43.28 | orion | How do I change the icon size on the desktop in 3.1? |
| 03:43.29 | puetzk | but they commenly are the same set of machines |
| 03:43.45 | puetzk | ie, the machines inside your NAT are usually the same machines as those on your LAN |
| 03:45.04 | orion | I don't see it when I Right Click -> Configure Desktop |
| 03:45.21 | oneforall | yeah host(ipmasq server) comp1,comp2 this is a lan . |
| 03:45.24 | puetzk | orion: it's in the advanced tab of the icons control panel |
| 03:45.31 | orion | thank you |
| 03:45.36 | puetzk | dunno if it's somewhere else also, but it's at least there |
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| 03:53.43 | oneforall | so that guarddog you need for opening and closeinf port and for ipmasq you need guiddog ? |
| 03:53.59 | puetzk | right |
| 03:54.27 | puetzk | and you can use both, they work together, but the two tasks are really separate anyway (even if they both use the same generic kernel packet filtering/mangling system) |
| 03:54.57 | IRCJohn | hi all |
| 03:55.21 | oneforall | yeah I just seen the screen shot :) |
| 03:55.36 | oneforall | why does it need to be in 2 gui and not just 1 ? |
| 03:55.50 | IRCJohn | Anyone have good configuration tools other than Kcontrol? |
| 03:56.09 | puetzk | oneforall: well, it could be in one app, but there's not much point since the two screens are different anyway |
| 03:56.27 | oneforall | the rc.firewall script I has has both in it . |
| 03:56.38 | oneforall | has has/have has |
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| 03:56.59 | oneforall | notice there is watch dog too |
| 03:57.19 | puetzk | which is for monitoring the logs |
| 03:57.29 | orion | ok, one more dumb question then I'll leave everyone alone ;-)... How do I manually save a session in 3.1? |
| 03:57.38 | oneforall | ah that one I get . guarddog to config and watch dog to monitor |
| 03:58.11 | puetzk | and guidedog to route packets through (and lead them to their destination) |
| 03:58.39 | oneforall | I guess its not all in one incase ppl don't wan't to do a lan eh or nat |
| 04:00.20 | oneforall | looks like kmyfirewall is all in one |
| 04:01.21 | orion | ah, nm |
| 04:02.02 | oneforall | well maybe not the monitor prt |
| 04:02.10 | oneforall | prt/part |
| 04:03.16 | puetzk | right, because it just sets up the raw rules |
| 04:03.27 | puetzk | instead of trying to set up the meaning and writing rules from that |
| 04:03.39 | puetzk | the raw tools to write rules with are the same for both, it's the goals that differ :-) |
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| 04:36.28 | javex | someone got konqeuror 3.2 ? try pasting about 100000 'a' in the adresse bar. Tell me if it crash X. I think I just founded a buffer overflow. thx |
| 04:37.34 | javex | try http://cyven.net/crash.html |
| 04:37.53 | puetzk | Request-URI Too Large |
| 04:37.53 | puetzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.53 | puetzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.29 | puetzk | it does mis-render in the URL bar though |
| 04:39.16 | puetzk | so it certainly won't render right |
| 04:39.56 | javex | copy paste a lot of 'a' in the URL by hands |
| 04:40.03 | javex | it suppose to crash at 10000 |
| 04:40.49 | puetzk | but that's not necessarily strange... |
| 04:41.02 | puetzk | hmm, this is too long though |
| 04:41.09 | puetzk | yeah, file a bugreport on it |
| 04:41.37 | puetzk | it's probably not exploitable (I doubt any memory buffer gets overrun) but it's definitely wreaking havoc on the lineedit |
| 04:45.45 | javex | puetzk: It crashed your X ? |
| 04:46.09 | javex | it work with 4000 'a' |
| 04:47.13 | puetzk | no, it just hung up konqueror |
| 04:47.21 | javex | okok |
| 04:47.28 | puetzk | I'm not sure if it would have recovered eventually or not |
| 04:47.28 | javex | konqueror 3.2 ? |
| 04:47.32 | puetzk | yeah |
| 04:47.44 | javex | puetzk: ok kde 3.1 too |
| 04:47.52 | javex | but for me it crash my computer hard |
| 04:48.04 | javex | I'll fill up a bugreport |
| 04:48.11 | puetzk | sounds good |
| 04:48.11 | javex | where do I have to submit it ? |
| 04:48.15 | puetzk | bugs.kde.org |
| 04:48.28 | javex | ok thx |
| 04:48.38 | javex | I wonder how I found it lolll |
| 04:48.46 | javex | loll |
| 04:48.51 | javex | my 'a' was stuck :P |
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| 05:01.32 | dung | kde is highly nifty |
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| 05:25.43 | ShockValue | ok, this is probably a FAQ, but i cant find it... how do i make superkaramba stuff stick as the 'bottom layer' ? it seems to have it on top of everything... |
| 05:33.16 | dung | how can i do an input of chinese on kde |
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| 05:37.41 | ShockValue | OK, this I dont understand: |
| 05:37.47 | dung | what |
| 05:37.51 | dung | dont you understand |
| 05:38.04 | ShockValue | If i rip an audio cd with k3b in OGG, mp3, or wav, it works flawlessly |
| 05:38.16 | ShockValue | if I rip an audio cd to flac, all 1 big file, it works fine |
| 05:38.35 | ShockValue | if i rip an audio cd to flac, seperate tracks, it hangs after track 1 is done. |
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| 05:38.43 | dung | flac sucks |
| 05:38.57 | ShockValue | uh no,,, flac does not suck QED. |
| 05:39.14 | dung | flac blows |
| 05:39.21 | ShockValue | but thats just opinion.. it doesnt solve my problem. |
| 05:39.36 | dung | ya but it might cause your problem |
| 05:40.14 | ShockValue | so, "flac sucks" is what causes k3b to hang after track one? flac works flawlessly in any other scenerio ive tried it in. |
| 05:41.19 | dung | oh well |
| 05:41.24 | dung | bummer dude |
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| 05:42.10 | marcusU | (After making sure his manual duplexing isn't causing both pages to be printed on the same side.) |
| 05:42.26 | somekool | hello people... little survey here.... RC1 is schedule for Sunday the 18th. who do you think they are gonna be on time ? for the RC1 ? |
| 05:42.37 | marcusU | Is there a betting pool? |
| 05:43.14 | somekool | nah, would be nice though |
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| 05:43.23 | somekool | strange there is still no pool on dot.kde.org |
| 05:43.50 | ShockValue | seems kde-apps.org is trying to pick up where apps.kde.com left off. |
| 05:44.39 | ShockValue | or maybe i just discovered it because apps.kde.com dissapeared :) |
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| 05:47.50 | kandalf | LOL |
| 05:48.04 | kandalf | marcusU: please mail pfeifle@danka.de :) |
| 05:48.16 | kandalf | he'll make someone fix it today :) |
| 05:48.38 | marcusU | kandalf: Are you being facetious? (I don't know my face around here enough to know yet.) |
| 05:48.59 | marcusU | I was just kind of annoyed at getting 50 copies |
| 05:49.05 | kandalf | well, more or less. I'm one of the kde devs |
| 05:49.20 | kandalf | but it's real, mail kurt and he'll make his guys fix it |
| 05:49.25 | kandalf | he's the printing guy |
| 05:49.48 | kandalf | it's like, there's printing guys, there's documentation guys, there's translation guys and there's programmers :) |
| 05:50.00 | kandalf | ShockValue: nope, was reading the web |
| 05:50.11 | kandalf | ShockValue: just mail those to sebastian trueg |
| 05:50.16 | kandalf | he'll gladly fix them |
| 05:50.28 | kandalf | just look into the about box of k3b |
| 05:50.33 | kandalf | there's his email address |
| 05:50.40 | ShockValue | i hate mailing developers when 99% of the time its just dumb users :) |
| 05:50.47 | kandalf | nono |
| 05:51.09 | kandalf | it's the users the programs were made for. if the users don't speak up and complain how will the developers ever know where they can make things better ? |
| 05:51.35 | ShockValue | I like you :) |
| 05:51.53 | ShockValue | well, im doing a fine job then.. i got broken sh1+ all over the place .. haha |
| 05:51.58 | kandalf | so if you think you have a reason to complain because of xyz, try to explain it with the minimum amount of words and as clearly as possible and mail it to the author |
| 05:52.27 | kandalf | that makes the dumb user part easier to live with :)) |
| 05:52.54 | ShockValue | now, i just have to find an email program to use... i just got finished installing a minimum kde install (again...newb) |
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| 05:53.11 | oneforall | pine |
| 05:53.12 | oneforall | :) |
| 05:53.27 | oneforall | kmail |
| 05:53.31 | kandalf | ShockValue: apt-get install kmail :) |
| 05:53.34 | kandalf | pine is evil :) |
| 05:53.48 | oneforall | it good I like it :) |
| 05:53.54 | ShockValue | gentoo doesnt have seperate packages.. its all kdenet or whatever it is. :( |
| 05:53.55 | oneforall | its |
| 05:54.00 | kandalf | it has an evil license :) |
| 05:54.05 | kandalf | ShockValue: kdenetwork |
| 05:54.22 | ShockValue | yeah, that installs lots of stuff i will never use... i dislike that |
| 05:54.40 | kandalf | ShockValue: then use debian. I'm packaging every program separately |
| 05:54.45 | ShockValue | i used pine... about 15 years ago when all i had was a shell account, and there was no suck thing as "WWW" :) |
| 05:54.50 | ShockValue | such |
| 05:54.51 | kandalf | (well debian always does that) |
| 05:55.07 | kandalf | who cares about www if there's ssh ? |
| 05:55.09 | Desiac | ive just installed alsa 1.0.1 from src, using kde 3.1 on debian 2.4.24, and i cant get any sound. ive installed lib and utls, using alsamixer ive unmuted all channels. tried both alsa and toss both autodetect with no problems, i've tried both playing a cd and just clicking the 'test sound' btn in kde-sndconfig, wondering if any has any iedas? |
| 05:55.23 | ShockValue | maybe i should learn how to make packages for gentoo.. then i could roll my own |
| 05:55.48 | kandalf | Desiac: hmm tried kmix to see if the volume comes up ? |
| 05:56.04 | kandalf | and looked into ps to see wether artsd is running ? |
| 05:56.39 | kandalf | ShockValue: well, if you can do that, that'd be fine. every distro should split up stuff like debian does, but most packagers just don't care |
| 05:56.45 | Desiac | sweet, thanks mate :) |
| 05:58.18 | kandalf | ShockValue: then become a kde packager :) |
| 05:58.45 | kandalf | I ended up like one of the "kick them first if it doesn't work for you" guys :) |
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| 05:59.17 | dung | segmentation |
| 05:59.58 | mark-- | can somebody tell me why ksim won't resize ? |
| 06:00.42 | ShockValue | now i just gotta talk that JuK guy into adding FLAC support (since kde3.2 supports it now...) |
| 06:00.50 | dung | chinput is broken |
| 06:00.57 | dung | in freebsd |
| 06:01.03 | dung | does kde have a chinese input method |
| 06:01.07 | dung | that would the shit |
| 06:01.25 | Desiac | kandalf: yeah artsd is running, just installed kmix, when i started it there where no mixer tabs, ive managed to hide the menu now i just have a blnk kmix window when i start it up |
| 06:08.17 | kandalf | hmm |
| 06:08.21 | kandalf | so kmix doesn't recognize your mixer ? |
| 06:08.48 | kandalf | that means arts can't either. can you try to log in as root and see if KDE works with sound then ? |
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| 06:09.58 | Desiac | kandalf: could i just stay login in this a/c and run kmix with root? |
| 06:10.55 | Desiac | ahh brush it, i'll brb |
| 06:11.39 | marcusU | kandalf: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<pfeifle@danka.de>: |
| 06:11.40 | marcusU | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.54 | kandalf | Kurt Pfeifle <kpfeifle@danka.de> |
| 06:13.04 | kandalf | I'm sorry, I missed the k in front of pfeifle |
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| 06:14.01 | marcusU | All righty. |
| 06:15.04 | desiac | kandalf: yeah got error as soon as i log'd in, 'cant get sampleing rate, request 44.1K got 32K, sound server countnue using null output |
| 06:15.30 | desiac | so im guessing there prolly something wrong with my moduels |
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| 06:18.40 | kandalf | desiac: guess so |
| 06:18.40 | ShockValue | blah.. according to the kmail website, there is no seperate source to download. |
| 06:19.03 | ShockValue | unless im reading it wrong? "KMail is part of the kdenetwork package of KDE 3.1 (there's currently no package that contains only KMail). " |
| 06:20.45 | kandalf | yepp, you have to use kdenetwork |
| 06:20.49 | kandalf | or use debian :) |
| 06:21.04 | kandalf | that builds kdenetwork and then builds individual packages for each application |
| 06:21.24 | kandalf | so even if kmail is in the sourcecode in kdenetwork, it will end up as a single package "kmail" |
| 06:21.31 | kandalf | so what you want to use is debian :) |
| 06:22.08 | ShockValue | blah.. im not going to switch distros just to get an email program seperate |
| 06:22.23 | kandalf | lol |
| 06:22.33 | kandalf | then install kdenetwork :) |
| 06:23.30 | ShockValue | yep, doing so now :) |
| 06:24.05 | ShockValue | while its compiling.. guess ill go work on the mythTV box in the living room.. my wife doesnt approve of the "no dvd-menus in mplayer" thing :) |
| 06:24.32 | ShockValue | thanks for the chat kandalf |
| 06:24.35 | oneforall | what you have gentoo . get slackware or deb |
| 06:25.01 | ShockValue | yes i have gentoo |
| 06:25.08 | ShockValue | if thats what you were asking. |
| 06:25.26 | Battousai | hmm |
| 06:26.12 | oneforall | get slack or deb |
| 06:26.24 | Battousai | quiet you |
| 06:26.27 | Battousai | let him use what he wants |
| 06:26.56 | ShockValue | gentoo works fine for me.. im not going to switch distros just so i can get kmail seperate from kdepim :) |
| 06:27.36 | ShockValue | besides, im pretty new to linux.. i figure ill get one distro down before i start hopping around |
| 06:27.46 | oneforall | he is but like I'm not the only one suggesting it :) |
| 06:28.57 | ShockValue | everyone has their favorite distro.. and everyone wants to convert people from one to another... Seems like religion to me.. I'll find god at the bottom of my bottle. |
| 06:29.20 | ShockValue | (no offense intended to the devout..) |
| 06:29.24 | Battousai | i prefer to let people make their own choices |
| 06:30.11 | ShockValue | People can have any color Model-T they want. Just as long as it is black. heheh.. |
| 06:30.50 | ShockValue | anyway.. off to fix the Tv-computer.. |
| 06:32.34 | oneforall | ppl with computer are like ppl with cars . some just ike to drive em and bitcha and complain when they don't work and never take the time to learn how to fix em. there are those that love to fix em take them apart. They also like to change things :) |
| 06:35.20 | kandalf | hehe |
| 06:35.23 | kandalf | comes close |
| 06:35.40 | kandalf | I mean, I used to use suse for ages |
| 06:35.56 | marcusU | kandalf: What version are you using? |
| 06:36.06 | kandalf | I'm using debian now :) |
| 06:36.11 | kandalf | ok, I |
| 06:36.27 | marcusU | Oh. I was using SusE 8.0, and then i tried 9, and I just didn't like it. The CD's didn't have TeX !!!!!!!! |
| 06:36.29 | kandalf | I've got a 9.0 on my other hdd :) but that's only in case I need to give a course |
| 06:36.37 | kandalf | the cds don't have tex ? |
| 06:36.40 | kandalf | wow |
| 06:36.40 | marcusU | No. |
| 06:36.45 | kandalf | didn't know that |
| 06:36.48 | kandalf | the pro ones ? |
| 06:36.51 | kandalf | or the personal ones ? |
| 06:36.55 | marcusU | Not the Pro. I can't afford Pro. |
| 06:36.59 | kandalf | ah ok |
| 06:37.08 | marcusU | Might as well buy Windoze. |
| 06:37.14 | kandalf | well, yes |
| 06:37.23 | kandalf | I'm getting closer to the point where I'm saying |
| 06:37.29 | kandalf | if we're developing the free software |
| 06:37.37 | kandalf | (which is also free as in price) |
| 06:37.38 | marcusU | I pretty much have to stick to what I can purchase in the stores or buy cheap online. |
| 06:37.54 | kandalf | we should be using free OSes also and support those groups that make free oses |
| 06:37.58 | kandalf | like BSD and debian |
| 06:37.58 | marcusU | It's not practical for me to download a distro. |
| 06:38.02 | kandalf | and slack |
| 06:38.11 | kandalf | ah |
| 06:38.12 | marcusU | Debian isn't practical if you don't have a fast connection. |
| 06:38.32 | marcusU | The cheapest fast connection I can get is $400/month. |
| 06:38.33 | kandalf | true, most of the time. I'm using woody and still use xfree 4.3 and kde 3.2 cvs |
| 06:38.47 | kandalf | and it's always stable |
| 06:39.18 | kandalf | so, let's say, in the long run you can make any new stuff running under an old debian |
| 06:39.42 | marcusU | I don't want old stuff. i want something modern. So I have to pay for it. |
| 06:40.23 | kandalf | hmm yes |
| 06:40.41 | kandalf | well, I solved that problem with using woody but still using modern software |
| 06:41.00 | kandalf | so I can choose which parts of the OS I want to "renew", let's say |
| 06:41.16 | marcusU | I have ISDN, and that's as fast as will be avilable until POTS goes away totally and the telco's and forced to go to fiber. |
| 06:41.27 | kandalf | POTS ? |
| 06:41.30 | marcusU | I tried Debian once, and it was a confusing nightmares. |
| 06:41.37 | marcusU | POTS = plain old telephone system. |
| 06:41.44 | kandalf | lol can be if you don't have anyone explaining it to you |
| 06:41.54 | kandalf | where are you coming from anyway ? |
| 06:42.02 | marcusU | Well, I don't have anyone. I'm a loner. Texas. |
| 06:42.18 | kandalf | ah |
| 06:42.24 | kandalf | well, I'm german but currently in OR :) |
| 06:42.35 | marcusU | I live outside Houston with my parents cuz I can't support myself even though I'm 33. |
| 06:42.44 | kandalf | ouch |
| 06:42.59 | kandalf | well, ever thought about coding on KDE then ? |
| 06:43.51 | kandalf | that works fairly well even with ISDN |
| 06:44.15 | marcusU | I tried to take over Qt#, which everyone involved in KDE seems to hate, but my depression makes it difficult to accomplish anything, especially since everyone else abandonned me on the project. |
| 06:44.44 | kandalf | uups |
| 06:44.59 | kandalf | from which project ? qt# ? |
| 06:45.01 | kandalf | how come ? |
| 06:45.51 | marcusU | Nick got a "real job" from what I can gather. Adam got depressed, and disillusioned about the project, plus I think that sometimes depressed people tend to avoid other depressed people (i.e. him avoiding me). |
| 06:46.00 | marcusU | So I think that's what's happening now. |
| 06:46.39 | kandalf | oha |
| 06:46.41 | kandalf | well then |
| 06:46.55 | kandalf | hmm that's too bad. but I mean, you can pick it up again, can't you ? |
| 06:47.09 | kandalf | or go with something else ? like kdebindings and working on that ? |
| 06:47.17 | kandalf | or just about anything else in KDE ? |
| 06:47.22 | marcusU | kandalf: There is an old, old version in kdebindings. |
| 06:48.01 | kandalf | ah |
| 06:48.08 | kandalf | how about updating that first |
| 06:48.14 | marcusU | It's just so hard for me to work on by myself because I have no one to talk to about things, no one to discuss isssues with, no one to encourage me. |
| 06:48.16 | kandalf | and then improving on it |
| 06:48.32 | kandalf | well, #kde-devel is the right channel then :) |
| 06:48.42 | kandalf | KDE people have always been about friendship and community |
| 06:48.54 | kandalf | so even if the guys you used to work with aren't there any more |
| 06:49.09 | kandalf | you may want to get involved closer into what KDE inside works like |
| 06:49.12 | marcusU | We were working on a big, totally new way of doing stuff... But now I've decided that the component I was working on can better be done by Doxygen. |
| 06:49.20 | kandalf | and, quite frankly, we need people in the US :) |
| 06:49.32 | marcusU | And I'm not all that familiar with the stuff Adam was working on. |
| 06:49.34 | kandalf | he cool, so you still get things going |
| 06:49.43 | kandalf | well, give it time |
| 06:50.26 | marcusU | It try, but I'm almost non-functional a lot of the time because of my depression. |
| 06:51.05 | kandalf | ouch |
| 06:51.13 | kandalf | you should really try to get out of that |
| 06:51.26 | kandalf | get going, enjoy life and start something really graet that makes a difference |
| 06:51.40 | kandalf | life is too expensive to waste your time with depression |
| 06:51.42 | marcusU | Let's see, 9 years of psychiatry and psychotherapy.... |
| 06:51.57 | kandalf | what a shame |
| 06:52.11 | marcusU | Great. I'll come visit, and you can show me a good time. |
| 06:52.33 | kandalf | I mean, you obviously do make a difference to the world if you make free software better, you're a useful member of a community |
| 06:52.43 | kandalf | so that should make you feel proud about it |
| 06:52.54 | kandalf | and encourage you to continue to get better |
| 06:53.09 | kandalf | and over time, you'll see that it pays off, your work is appreciated |
| 06:54.07 | marcusU | I guess. I just get the impression that Qt# is not wanted. Mono hates it because they love Gtk# (Miguel hates anything Qt). Pnet pushes their SWF (Microsoft's GUI toolkit). And the KDE people seem hostile to C#. |
| 06:55.11 | kandalf | hmm I wouldn't say hostile |
| 06:55.25 | marcusU | They see no point in C#. |
| 06:55.27 | kandalf | they just prefer C++ but you can make use of C# |
| 06:55.33 | kandalf | yes |
| 06:55.47 | kandalf | I mean, we didn't see any point in pyKDE either :) |
| 06:55.49 | marcusU | Of course, they haven't seen the benchmarks that show M$'s .NET JIT beating GCC! |
| 06:55.51 | kandalf | so that's not the point |
| 06:56.03 | kandalf | of course not |
| 06:56.09 | kandalf | so how is mono doing right now ? |
| 06:56.22 | kandalf | what we would need would be a mono+Qt# bundle |
| 06:56.37 | kandalf | so that you can do Qt# with mono with just installing it |
| 06:56.47 | kandalf | ever thought of adding support for Qt# to kdevelop ? |
| 06:56.54 | marcusU | Mono is so-so. Qt# has been stagnant for so long because I've been trying to work on the "next generation" version. |
| 06:56.57 | kandalf | that's needed if you want to make people pick it up and try it |
| 06:57.03 | kandalf | ah |
| 06:57.10 | kandalf | so mono is still not ready yet |
| 06:57.12 | marcusU | Fixing the old version isn't going to cut it. |
| 06:57.18 | kandalf | ah, ok |
| 06:57.26 | kandalf | then it's better for you to work on the new one |
| 06:57.30 | marcusU | No, Mono is not ready for production use. |
| 06:57.33 | kandalf | I guess you should do that then |
| 06:57.42 | kandalf | and make a dot story about your work ! |
| 06:58.00 | kandalf | then more people can find you and get aware that you're working on this in kdebindings |
| 06:58.03 | kandalf | and try it out |
| 06:58.08 | kandalf | and help you work on it |
| 06:58.30 | marcusU | At the moment, I'm working on a more lightweight replacement for QtC. |
| 06:58.47 | kandalf | that'd be cool |
| 06:59.02 | kandalf | if you could do the same stuff than with gtk |
| 06:59.10 | kandalf | I mean, same or similar style of programming |
| 06:59.13 | marcusU | QtC is generated by Kalyptus sort-of, but the results aren't compilation. They require hand-tuning.... |
| 06:59.30 | kandalf | hmm that's not optimal then |
| 06:59.36 | marcusU | Well, the Gtk# project has lots of people working on it. They need it with GTK+ dreadful API. |
| 06:59.55 | kandalf | sorry, need to help my cousin |
| 07:00.00 | marcusU | Okey, dokey. |
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| 07:39.12 | pokui | hi all scanning for pluggins in konqueror + fbsd requires nspluginscan. know where i can find it? |
| 07:41.03 | dung | donno dude |
| 07:43.39 | marcusU | Isn't it part of kdebase? |
| 07:44.01 | pokui | i do have kdebase.... |
| 07:44.08 | pokui | but apparently not nspluginscan |
| 07:44.14 | pokui | i'll try netscape :-D |
| 07:46.21 | kandalov | pokui: which distro do you use ? |
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| 07:49.07 | josef | hmm |
| 07:49.53 | josef | since im not going to be running fluxbox, blackbox etc .. how can i get kde to run at boot |
| 07:50.01 | josef | do i have to install gdm or something |
| 07:50.51 | dung | starkde |
| 07:50.55 | josef | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.56 | dung | in the .xinitrc |
| 07:51.01 | josef | umm.. |
| 07:51.02 | dung | startkde |
| 07:51.08 | josef | dung i want it to start at boot, not startx |
| 07:51.11 | dung | mmmmyes? |
| 07:51.21 | dung | oh |
| 07:51.26 | josef | or can you start it that way ? |
| 07:51.48 | dung | i think you gotta set up the boot manager thing in a start script |
| 07:51.56 | dung | what si ti for kde? kdm or something |
| 07:52.01 | dung | display manager or whatever |
| 07:52.09 | josef | naw |
| 07:52.12 | josef | going to give kde a try |
| 07:52.17 | dung | it's not kdm? |
| 07:52.22 | josef | just want to know how to get it to start at boot |
| 07:52.26 | josef | dunno, qt is compiling |
| 07:52.36 | dung | uh you can't just have kde start |
| 07:52.43 | dung | someone has to login first |
| 07:52.46 | josef | heh |
| 07:53.00 | dung | so you need one of those login manager things to run |
| 07:53.04 | dung | i.e. kdm |
| 07:53.09 | dung | or whatever it is for kde |
| 07:53.20 | josef | yeah |
| 07:53.31 | josef | does kdm come with kde ? |
| 07:53.39 | dung | probably |
| 07:53.53 | dung | i don't know what section |
| 07:53.57 | dung | it may be in kdebase |
| 07:53.59 | dung | i donno |
| 07:54.24 | josef | hmm |
| 07:54.37 | josef | so your kde dosen't start at boot |
| 07:54.52 | dung | i use startx |
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| 07:55.16 | dung | you mean you want a gui login screen? |
| 07:55.20 | dung | ya set up kdm |
| 07:55.23 | josef | yeah |
| 07:55.46 | josef | dung so when at boot, it logs right into kde, or gives me a login screen, then logs me in and kde starts |
| 07:57.29 | josef | dung how come you dont want the login screen ? |
| 07:58.01 | dung | becuase i dont always use x |
| 07:58.24 | dung | doh the kde faq only says how to set up on linux |
| 07:58.48 | josef | yes |
| 07:58.55 | josef | of course it does |
| 07:59.18 | josef | on linux when you install gnome or kde, it just gives you the login scree, if you set up innitab to 5 |
| 07:59.42 | dung | well thats because they installer configures that for you |
| 08:00.02 | josef | yesh |
| 08:00.08 | dung | you just gotta stuff the executable in a boot scritpt somewhere |
| 08:00.20 | dung | i donno im sure its documented somewhere |
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| 08:07.55 | josef | heh |
| 08:08.03 | josef | hmm |
| 08:08.09 | marcusU | Aren't the runlevel's distro-dependent? |
| 08:08.20 | josef | ... |
| 08:08.25 | josef | marcusU what do you mean ? |
| 08:09.12 | marcusU | My understanding that was runlevel 4 on RedHat might mean something different than runlevel 4 on SuSE. |
| 08:12.39 | teatime | marcusU: it might, yes |
| 08:12.45 | teatime | if it does, no idea |
| 08:13.14 | marcusU | I dunno. I switched from a "lifetime" of SuSE to RH recently. |
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| 08:55.19 | desiac | ive got my sound working under kde 3.1 for root, but i cant get it to work for other users, when i try and load kmix for non-root there are no availale mixers. how do i grant pivledges for the mixers to other users? |
| 08:56.39 | kandalov | try chmod /dev/mix0 or something |
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| 08:57.11 | kandalov | I mean, change that to allow r+w |
| 08:57.42 | wmealing | im wondering if anyone could point me to a good site on beginning to code kde applications ? |
| 08:58.18 | kandalov | wmealing: start subscribing to kde-devel@kde.org and have a look at developer.kde.org |
| 08:58.31 | kandalov | then use kdevelop to generate your first program |
| 08:58.46 | kandalov | and try to program the Qt programs in the Qt documentation as the tutorial |
| 08:59.06 | wmealing | kandalov, much like you can program with gnome, or gtk.. can you code kde and qt ? |
| 08:59.09 | kandalov | then proceed to understand some KDE basic stuff and try a KDE program with Qt Designer |
| 08:59.14 | kandalov | yes |
| 08:59.25 | wmealing | ok |
| 08:59.27 | kandalov | it's actually way easier :) |
| 08:59.33 | wmealing | than gtk ? |
| 08:59.36 | wmealing | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.39 | kandalov | has good documentation, an IDE, a dialog builder |
| 08:59.41 | kandalov | yes |
| 08:59.54 | kandalov | KDE is based on Qt, see http://www.trolltech.com |
| 09:00.07 | kandalov | which is using C++ |
| 09:00.23 | wmealing | is there any licencing issues, i was reading about issues about commercial development.. |
| 09:00.27 | kandalov | so you can use the Qt designer to click your dialogs together |
| 09:00.29 | wmealing | are they still an issue ? |
| 09:00.40 | kandalov | no, there are no issues with licensing |
| 09:00.44 | kandalov | it's actually simple |
| 09:00.56 | kandalov | if you develop a free software program with a free software license |
| 09:01.08 | kandalov | Qt is licensed GPL |
| 09:01.24 | wmealing | *nod* |
| 09:01.34 | wmealing | what if i develop a commercial application ? |
| 09:01.45 | kandalov | (and QPL, which you don't really need, just for some free software licenses that are not compliant to the GPL that allows you to use them too) |
| 09:01.52 | kandalov | and if you develop a commercial application |
| 09:02.01 | kandalov | you need a license from trolltech |
| 09:02.05 | wmealing | figures |
| 09:02.13 | wmealing | but thats ok |
| 09:02.19 | kandalov | it's a one time license fee per developer, no per sold program or anything |
| 09:02.24 | wmealing | ah, nice |
| 09:02.26 | wmealing | how much ? |
| 09:02.32 | kandalov | it's about 1000 USD |
| 09:02.43 | kandalov | the Trolltech website has a list of pricing |
| 09:02.45 | wmealing | yeowch.. but you'd wanna make more than that with your app then |
| 09:03.01 | kandalov | yes, but it's getting cheaper over time the more they have cusotmers |
| 09:03.05 | wmealing | ok, commercial app that you release GPL ? that requires no licencing ? |
| 09:03.10 | kandalov | right |
| 09:03.17 | wmealing | sorry, no "cost" licencing from trolltech |
| 09:03.17 | kandalov | that's a GPL application |
| 09:03.17 | wmealing | ok. |
| 09:03.19 | wmealing | yeah |
| 09:03.20 | wmealing | just checking |
| 09:03.28 | wmealing | even though i'll "sell" it to them.. with GPL licencing |
| 09:03.34 | wmealing | man, thats going to be an interesing sales pitch |
| 09:03.37 | kandalov | it's easy as pie: free software -> gpl -> free as in cost |
| 09:03.44 | wmealing | just checking it out |
| 09:03.53 | kandalov | closed source, proprietary -> proprietary license |
| 09:03.56 | wmealing | *nod* |
| 09:04.00 | wmealing | hence the uberdollars. |
| 09:04.03 | kandalov | yepp |
| 09:04.12 | wmealing | well, i suppose thats ok |
| 09:04.12 | kandalov | and those help developing a GPL Qt |
| 09:04.23 | wmealing | im talking to business people, most tech talk goes over their head.. |
| 09:04.33 | wmealing | i'll put the licencing in small print on the contract |
| 09:04.34 | kandalov | so free software programmers get a first class tool for free |
| 09:04.40 | kandalov | yepp |
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| 09:05.19 | kandalov | that's what I do in consulting too, I just write in the bidding "app xyz does this and this, written with Qt, licensed GPL |
| 09:05.25 | wmealing | *nod* |
| 09:05.40 | wmealing | you got an example contract ? or is that it |
| 09:05.45 | wmealing | i'd just like to see how you do it ? |
| 09:05.56 | wmealing | sorry |
| 09:06.00 | wmealing | commercial GPL software before |
| 09:06.02 | kandalov | that's it basically |
| 09:06.08 | wmealing | ok |
| 09:06.20 | kandalov | well, the thing is, if you write GPL software on a contract |
| 09:06.29 | kandalov | you can re-use it in other projects :) |
| 09:06.41 | wmealing | true :0 |
| 09:06.45 | wmealing | save me dev time |
| 09:06.47 | kandalov | so it's actually helping you to keep the work as your property :) |
| 09:06.48 | wmealing | save others dev time |
| 09:06.50 | kandalov | yes |
| 09:06.54 | kandalov | it's just that |
| 09:07.08 | kandalov | your customer can say, ok, it's GPL, we can put it on the Web |
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| 09:07.15 | wmealing | i'll have to re-learn C++ |
| 09:07.24 | wmealing | a huh |
| 09:07.25 | kandalov | it's not too much difference |
| 09:07.40 | wmealing | yeah, all those nasty pointers. |
| 09:08.06 | wmealing | kandalov, i appreciate you spending the time to talk to me about this |
| 09:08.13 | kandalov | he, about those pointers |
| 09:08.18 | kandalov | Qt works like Java |
| 09:08.28 | kandalov | you just create objects and Qt deletes them for you |
| 09:08.30 | kandalov | :) |
| 09:08.33 | wmealing | auto garbage collection |
| 09:08.34 | wmealing | neat |
| 09:08.44 | kandalov | and Qt also works like Delphi, with properties on objects |
| 09:09.03 | kandalov | and it has this signals and slots functionality |
| 09:09.05 | wmealing | i've never coded delphi.. |
| 09:09.06 | wmealing | yeah |
| 09:09.10 | wmealing | im reading about slots atm |
| 09:09.12 | kandalov | so you can create signals that objects emit |
| 09:09.20 | wmealing | *nod* |
| 09:09.24 | kandalov | and then connect them loosely to functions that get triggered |
| 09:09.28 | kandalov | but, now comes |
| 09:09.35 | kandalov | at runtime, if you made a programming error |
| 09:09.49 | kandalov | and the object you want to call the function of with the signal doesn't exist |
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| 09:10.13 | kandalov | the program doesn't crash :) |
| 09:10.43 | kandalov | it's giving you an error on the command line that the object doesn't exist, so the program still works, it's just not calling that slot |
| 09:10.50 | kandalov | but you'll see how easy that is |
| 09:11.05 | kandalov | and, one good place to go for learning Qt and KDE is women.kde.org |
| 09:11.10 | wmealing | women ? |
| 09:11.16 | kandalov | the girls have some good tutorials up there |
| 09:11.22 | kandalov | yes, we've got a women's group :) |
| 09:11.25 | wmealing | damn women ! i hate how they do good tutorials! |
| 09:11.28 | wmealing | heh |
| 09:11.33 | wmealing | well, nice to see |
| 09:11.35 | kandalov | :) |
| 09:11.42 | kandalov | you can even talk to them online ! :) |
| 09:11.52 | wmealing | no way. |
| 09:13.02 | kandalov | :) |
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| 09:36.20 | forges | hi |
| 09:36.43 | forges | maybe someone knows how to change default window manager for kde? |
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| 09:37.38 | wmealing | after this build is done |
| 09:38.24 | wmealing | forges, at a guess, you should be able to run any window manager.. |
| 09:38.32 | wmealing | although, the stuff like the panel may/may not appear |
| 09:38.39 | wmealing | what window manager were you thinking of using ? |
| 09:39.11 | forges | wmealing, enlightenemnet |
| 09:39.40 | wmealing | forges, are you using a display manager, such as kdm ? |
| 09:39.55 | forges | yup, i'm using gdm |
| 09:40.03 | wmealing | ok, lucky.. im using gdm also.. |
| 09:40.07 | wmealing | ok, what distro ? |
| 09:40.11 | forges | gentoo |
| 09:40.17 | wmealing | beautiful |
| 09:40.21 | wmealing | ok.. what are you emerging ? |
| 09:40.44 | forges | i have kde3.2beta2 and enlightenmentDR16 |
| 09:41.01 | forges | and i wan't too use e as kde wm |
| 09:41.04 | wmealing | ok. |
| 09:41.08 | wmealing | well, what you can do |
| 09:41.12 | wmealing | is start enlightenment |
| 09:41.14 | wmealing | and use kde apps |
| 09:41.39 | forges | hehe :) |
| 09:41.45 | wmealing | ok |
| 09:41.51 | wmealing | if you have emerged enlightenment |
| 09:41.57 | wmealing | ( you have done that right ?) |
| 09:42.10 | forges | yes |
| 09:42.15 | wmealing | ok, when you restart gdm |
| 09:42.18 | forges | i'm under enlightenment right now |
| 09:42.22 | wmealing | ah |
| 09:42.22 | wmealing | good |
| 09:42.25 | wmealing | well, now .. start a kde app |
| 09:42.52 | forges | ok, konqueror started |
| 09:43.00 | wmealing | yeah ! yippe kay aye! |
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| 09:43.14 | forges | that's it? |
| 09:43.20 | wmealing | thats it.. |
| 09:43.22 | wmealing | as far as I knew |
| 09:43.34 | wmealing | you can start other kde app |
| 09:43.36 | wmealing | at the cmd line |
| 09:43.41 | forges | i thouhgt there is a way to integrate them |
| 09:43.42 | wmealing | or you can edit the enlightenment.. |
| 09:43.47 | wmealing | forges, um.. *thinks* |
| 09:43.57 | wmealing | there is something you can emerge that builds it |
| 09:44.10 | wmealing | menumaker.. i think |
| 09:44.20 | wmealing | or |
| 09:44.20 | wmealing | no |
| 09:44.22 | wmealing | genmenu |
| 09:44.35 | wmealing | that should put your kde magic in there |
| 09:44.36 | forges | i already have kde menus in enlgihtenment :) |
| 09:44.43 | wmealing | well.. umm. |
| 09:44.55 | wmealing | thats it then ? |
| 09:45.36 | forges | hmm. i have seen on gentoo forums kde and instead of kwin somebody was running openbox3 |
| 09:46.05 | wmealing | perhaps you should cp from that then |
| 09:49.26 | wmealing | feel free to point me to the url |
| 09:49.33 | wmealing | im trawling the forums now |
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| 09:50.58 | forges | w8 |
| 09:51.30 | Caimlas | does anyone here happen to be running sid in here? |
| 09:51.55 | forges | http://www.s88946514.onlinehome.us/01102004.png |
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| 09:53.47 | manchine | quanta 3.2 be is compiling without the kfilereplace plugin... how can i overturn this annoyance? |
| 09:54.54 | wmealing | that looks pretty sexy forges |
| 09:55.06 | forges | yup |
| 09:55.30 | forges | i have similiar desktop, but i don't like kwin :) |
| 09:55.34 | wmealing | kde ? |
| 09:55.46 | forges | yup |
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| 10:03.53 | Caimlas | is anyone here running sid w/ kde? I'm having any odd problems with konqueror loading? for me, konqueror takes about 10 minutes to load. It's not actively loading, it's just mainly sitting there and doing nothing, and then it'll pop up. opening new tabs, or new windows from inside konq, isn't a problem, though. |
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| 10:57.07 | pucko | in kmail, what does the "bounce..." action mean? |
| 10:57.20 | wmealing | probably sends back a "address not known' mail |
| 10:57.38 | pucko | when should I do that? |
| 10:57.58 | wmealing | spam, unwanted mail.. ex lovers sending you naked pictures of their boyfriends. |
| 10:57.59 | wmealing | that kinda thing |
| 10:58.47 | pucko | okay... I'm asking because of this other proplem. I keep getting empty mails (completly blank except for headers) |
| 10:59.04 | pucko | from mailinglists I'm subscribed to |
| 10:59.41 | pucko | ok. don't quite know where to ask for help :-) |
| 10:59.49 | wmealing | this would be the place |
| 10:59.53 | wmealing | just ask again in a few minutes |
| 11:00.51 | pucko | not really a kde-specific problem though |
| 11:01.10 | wmealing | if its only kmail |
| 11:01.11 | wmealing | then it might be |
| 11:02.34 | pucko | I don't have any other emailprogram to check with. don't think it's kmail specific though |
| 11:02.57 | wmealing | ok |
| 11:03.01 | wmealing | strange |
| 11:03.20 | wmealing | pop quiz, i see alot of apps with drop shadows these days |
| 11:03.23 | pucko | um. anyway. look at this screendump. http://213.113.44.6/~aj/skärmdump1.png |
| 11:03.24 | wmealing | what does that ? whats the go ? |
| 11:03.40 | wmealing | i 404'd on that pucko |
| 11:03.54 | wmealing | maybe my browser/whatever doesnt understand your accents |
| 11:03.55 | pucko | ah. hm. |
| 11:04.05 | wmealing | me wants to type the funky 'a' |
| 11:04.33 | wmealing | charset is utf8, in xchat |
| 11:04.45 | pucko | http://213.113.44.6/~aj/screendump.png |
| 11:05.33 | pucko | doesn't work either? |
| 11:06.23 | pucko | you don't like drop shadows, btw? |
| 11:07.24 | wmealing | i like them |
| 11:07.32 | wmealing | just dont know what make them |
| 11:07.41 | wmealing | much better |
| 11:11.17 | manchine | how can i bring kfilereplace into quanta? |
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| 11:17.51 | coteyr | any one know how to display a backgrond in the time before kde finishis "starting up" and gdm starts it |
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| 11:18.21 | m0ns00n | Helleu |
| 11:18.26 | coteyr | hi |
| 11:18.28 | m0ns00n | Have an odd problem in Kate suddenly |
| 11:18.47 | m0ns00n | When I write special characters (norwegian), like æøå, they get changed to ? when I reload the document |
| 11:18.52 | m0ns00n | Didn't happen before |
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| 11:18.58 | coteyr | not a clue |
| 11:18.59 | m0ns00n | I'm using 3.1.4, and it worked until some weeks ago |
| 11:19.17 | m0ns00n | Actually, it didn't work after I installed Apache 2 somehow.. |
| 11:19.22 | m0ns00n | Perhaps it's not related |
| 11:19.33 | coteyr | here for a question my self, dont use kate or man non-english but i'm sure some one will be along soon |
| 11:19.35 | coteyr | who does |
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| 11:20.28 | m0ns00n | Hope so |
| 11:21.04 | m0ns00n | Really irritating problem |
| 11:21.13 | m0ns00n | KDE refuses me to write in my native language |
| 11:21.18 | m0ns00n | Which shouldn't be the case |
| 11:21.37 | m0ns00n | I'm sure it has to do with character encodings... somehow |
| 11:21.44 | m0ns00n | And it must be my configuration |
| 11:21.49 | m0ns00n | Something has happened somewhere |
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| 11:33.19 | wishes | fuck i love that changing background on the newer kde and the transparent taskbar |
| 11:35.09 | wishes | just wish i could get jpeg's workin :/ |
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| 11:37.17 | DexterF | hi. |
| 11:37.53 | DexterF | how can I make Konsole be a Linux console by default instead of xterm? |
| 11:38.07 | wishes | i compiled mine (lfs) |
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| 11:38.42 | m0ns00n | Hmm |
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| 11:38.44 | m0ns00n | Checked further |
| 11:38.53 | m0ns00n | I looked at the XServer and other KDE apps |
| 11:39.11 | m0ns00n | Only kate saves my text with ? instead of special characters (æøå) |
| 11:39.27 | m0ns00n | So "Mitt ønske" becomes "Mitt ?nske" |
| 11:39.44 | m0ns00n | But there is no configuration anywhere to specify character encodings |
| 11:39.48 | m0ns00n | What's going on? |
| 11:41.09 | wishes | locales ? |
| 11:41.15 | wishes | generate more locales? |
| 11:43.38 | m0ns00n | Locales? |
| 11:44.02 | wishes | yeah |
| 11:44.10 | m0ns00n | what do you mean= |
| 11:44.13 | wishes | its a thing on your system that generates like |
| 11:44.14 | wishes | bah |
| 11:44.18 | wishes | go search google |
| 11:44.26 | wishes | search for locales |
| 11:44.28 | m0ns00n | I know what locales is |
| 11:44.38 | m0ns00n | But what has that to do with my character encoding? |
| 11:44.38 | wishes | when you have heaps generated then you dont get the ??'s |
| 11:44.45 | m0ns00n | It worked up till some weeks ago |
| 11:45.05 | wishes | just always worked for me |
| 11:45.07 | m0ns00n | I've never has this problem, and I've run 3.1.4 of KDE and all without upgrading long before that |
| 11:45.22 | m0ns00n | has=had |
| 11:45.46 | m0ns00n | KWrite has no problem with øæå |
| 11:46.02 | m0ns00n | But Kate seems to replace the characters with ? and all kinds of other odd characters |
| 11:47.51 | DexterF | what type of app is Kate? (new to kde) |
| 11:48.32 | m0ns00n | Kate is a programmers editor |
| 11:48.37 | m0ns00n | With syntax highlighting |
| 11:48.47 | m0ns00n | It is what I use the most of KDE apps |
| 11:48.51 | DexterF | ah, editor. should rely on kde locale settings. kde i18n is isntalled and matches version? |
| 11:49.01 | wishes | kate rocks |
| 11:49.03 | m0ns00n | I have installed it yes |
| 11:49.05 | m0ns00n | 2 minutes ago |
| 11:49.11 | DexterF | restarted? |
| 11:49.11 | m0ns00n | But point is, it worked before |
| 11:49.19 | m0ns00n | without i18n |
| 11:49.23 | DexterF | hm |
| 11:49.28 | m0ns00n | And it still works in KWrite |
| 11:49.28 | wishes | you broke it! |
| 11:49.31 | m0ns00n | Yes! |
| 11:49.31 | m0ns00n | :D |
| 11:49.35 | m0ns00n | But I dunno how |
| 11:49.38 | wishes | ehehe |
| 11:49.39 | m0ns00n | hehe |
| 11:50.00 | wishes | oops? |
| 11:50.02 | m0ns00n | :D |
| 11:50.07 | m0ns00n | NEed to figure this out |
| 11:50.16 | m0ns00n | oups |
| 11:50.30 | m0ns00n | /sound ragpee.wav |
| 11:50.31 | m0ns00n | :D |
| 11:50.44 | wishes | i wish i could figure out why i can use jpg's :/ |
| 11:50.51 | wishes | even though its compiled with jpeg support |
| 11:50.56 | wishes | weird eh |
| 11:51.01 | m0ns00n | You can't use Jpegs? |
| 11:51.15 | m0ns00n | Perhaps /etc/magic is fucked? |
| 11:51.39 | m0ns00n | or wherever it is located |
| 11:51.51 | wishes | i dont even have a /etc/magic |
| 11:51.53 | wishes | o_O |
| 11:51.56 | m0ns00n | Me neither :D |
| 11:52.01 | wishes | i have libjpeg installed |
| 11:52.04 | m0ns00n | whereis gave me location of magic.h |
| 11:52.04 | m0ns00n | :D |
| 11:52.21 | wishes | and its silly that it wants a link called libjpeg6b rather than the libjpeg that it is |
| 11:52.23 | wishes | :/ |
| 11:52.27 | m0ns00n | Hehehe |
| 11:52.39 | wishes | magic: /usr/include/magic.h /usr/man/man4/magic.4 /usr/share/man/man4/magic.4 |
| 11:52.42 | m0ns00n | "Takk går til Mozilla..." becomes "Takk gE r til Mozilla..." |
| 11:52.43 | wishes | haha! |
| 11:52.48 | wishes | i have more magic than you! |
| 11:52.52 | m0ns00n | Hehe |
| 11:52.59 | m0ns00n | magic: /usr/include/magic.h /usr/man/man4/magic.4.gz /usr/share/man/man4/magic.4.gz :P |
| 11:53.07 | wishes | oh thats man magic |
| 11:53.10 | wishes | i cannot use it |
| 11:53.11 | wishes | :/ |
| 11:53.17 | wishes | why dont they have women magic? |
| 11:53.33 | m0ns00n | Because they favour "Ninja women with laser pistols" |
| 11:53.39 | m0ns00n | whereis ninja_women |
| 11:53.39 | m0ns00n | :D |
| 11:53.40 | wishes | and where can i buy a power cable for a cisco 800 series :/ |
| 11:54.38 | wishes | why do they make such huge boxes for them |
| 11:54.45 | wishes | its only an adsl modem ffs |
| 11:54.55 | wishes | its almost the size of my laptop |
| 11:55.43 | wishes | ayways im going bed |
| 11:55.45 | wishes | nighty night |
| 11:56.10 | m0ns00n | AHA |
| 11:56.19 | m0ns00n | save as shows wierd encoding |
| 12:09.36 | DexterF | wishes: soldering iron |
| 12:09.52 | DexterF | KDE's konsole is weird |
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| 12:11.36 | m0ns00n | got it! |
| 12:11.37 | m0ns00n | Encoding=koi8-r |
| 12:11.40 | m0ns00n | Everywhere |
| 12:11.50 | m0ns00n | But now I need to find out where I can change Encoding = |
| 12:11.50 | DexterF | why are all child processes of kdeinit but sylpheed (mail client) is child of kicker? |
| 12:11.59 | DexterF | m0ns00n: isnt that russian?! |
| 12:16.33 | m0ns00n | Yes |
| 12:16.42 | m0ns00n | Have no idea why it's selected |
| 12:16.53 | m0ns00n | All my text files have been saved in a russian encoding |
| 12:17.05 | m0ns00n | I see from the kate config history |
| 12:17.20 | m0ns00n | All my recent documents are with Encoding=koi8-r |
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| 12:18.22 | m0ns00n | Anyone know where I can change the setting? |
| 12:18.41 | m0ns00n | KDE must have some kind of config of default encodings beyone konqueror |
| 12:19.43 | m0ns00n | I want iso8859-1 as default |
| 12:19.51 | m0ns00n | But somehow something overrode with koi8-r :D |
| 12:19.53 | m0ns00n | LOL |
| 12:19.55 | m0ns00n | Horrible |
| 12:24.16 | DexterF | hmm. koi8 is a 2byte utf font afaik. so it has your locale special characters as well as cyrilic ones. don't knwo how to convert. |
| 12:24.47 | DexterF | im from germany and been thru hell and back with our special chars like öäü??? oh great. ? doesnt work |
| 12:25.03 | DexterF | so much about linux i18n |
| 12:33.19 | m0ns00n | I found it out |
| 12:33.32 | m0ns00n | Kate, as the only app I have seen, lists koi8-r as default |
| 12:33.40 | m0ns00n | KWrite lists iso 8859-1 |
| 12:33.56 | m0ns00n | Which is funny |
| 12:34.05 | m0ns00n | I also chatted with a fellow Gentoo user who uses KDE 3.1.4 |
| 12:34.18 | m0ns00n | He also noticed now that koi8-r is default in Kate |
| 12:34.23 | m0ns00n | Odd! |
| 12:34.37 | m0ns00n | So if I take save as, I will always save in koi8-r if I don't change the encoding |
| 12:34.49 | m0ns00n | Still haven't found a single config file that lists koi8-r |
| 12:35.28 | m0ns00n | Must be a bug or something |
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| 12:36.11 | m0ns00n | I saw that koi8-r was listed in knode config |
| 12:36.16 | m0ns00n | together with all other encodings |
| 12:36.23 | m0ns00n | Funny |
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| 12:37.08 | m0ns00n | Can anyone else verify this? |
| 12:39.56 | m0ns00n | Hm |
| 12:39.58 | m0ns00n | Fixed it |
| 12:40.15 | m0ns00n | Kate made my default koi8-r since I had saved all my recent docs in the encoding |
| 12:40.28 | m0ns00n | Now when I changed all recent to iso 8859-1, that became standard again :) |
| 12:40.51 | m0ns00n | So the bug really is a feature :D |
| 12:40.52 | m0ns00n | heheh |
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| 12:49.18 | DexterF | i started a holy crusade against my will when i started linux some years in the past about i18n/locales - and i won't do it again. |
| 12:49.26 | geff | hi all, do you knows when it's possible to activate kolad support in kontact ? |
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| 13:08.37 | Chewbakka | hello |
| 13:08.45 | tpr | hi |
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| 13:11.41 | Chewbakka | after i added some new linux-clients to a NIS network with existing Homes (homes mounted by Nis-Server export) i get this message while starting KDE: "Could not read network connection list. ~.DCOPserver_hostname__0. make sure dcopserver is startet" |
| 13:12.19 | Chewbakka | if I delete all files in an home vefore starting KDE it works just fine |
| 13:13.04 | Chewbakka | can anybody imagine which UNIX-file may keep it from starting correctly ? |
| 13:13.30 | Chewbakka | .. its SUN-OS Solaris on the NIS server, that exports the homes |
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| 14:45.10 | effy-kun | what is this DCOP server stuff, and is it necessary to run konqueror? |
| 14:48.14 | annma | how come? |
| 14:48.21 | annma | you want to disable it? |
| 14:48.59 | effy-kun | I don't actually run KDE, but I want to use Konqueror |
| 14:49.02 | annma | effy-kun: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/dcop.html |
| 14:49.17 | annma | this should answer all your questions |
| 14:49.47 | annma | if you run konqueror, you have to install kdelibs and kdebase |
| 14:51.54 | annma | so DCOP will be running |
| 14:52.13 | daWinni | how can i affect where new windows appear, if i start a program? i have two monitors and new windows always appear in the right bottom corner of the screen |
| 14:53.04 | effy-kun | annma: yes, the are installed |
| 14:53.49 | annma | smart placement maybe in KControl |
| 14:54.40 | daWinni | annma: can't find it there |
| 14:54.58 | annma | do you use xinerama? |
| 14:55.04 | daWinni | no |
| 14:55.07 | effy-kun | I run fvwm, and when I try to start konqueror, it comes up with a dialogue box saying "There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. The message returned..." |
| 14:55.42 | effy-kun | "Could not read network connection list. /home/user/.DCOPserver_host_0" |
| 14:55.56 | effy-kun | "Please check that the dcopserver program is running!" |
| 14:56.06 | effy-kun | perhaps I need to add it to my init of fvwm? |
| 14:58.50 | daWinni | annma: i have found it, as you said: smart placement in kcontrol... :D |
| 15:00.12 | annma | effy-kun: dcop is not running |
| 15:00.38 | effy-kun | yes, it would seem so ;) |
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| 15:02.10 | mindkeeper | hi...im new on kde. can anyone give me an advice how to install kde themes like: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10046 |
| 15:02.54 | mindkeeper | there is no how to on the page |
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| 15:08.07 | roske | /m coolo hi |
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| 15:11.09 | effy-kun | ah, I see the reason now, I had a .ICEauthority file owned by root in my dir, not allowing it to write the file. |
| 15:11.29 | mindkeeper | for all how joined now |
| 15:11.39 | mindkeeper | hi...im new on kde. can anyone give me an advice how to install kde themes like: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10046 |
| 15:11.53 | mindkeeper | need help :/ |
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| 15:13.24 | drWorm | that looks like a karamba module, for which you need karamba (karamba.sf.net) |
| 15:13.36 | mindkeeper | ah, thnx |
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| 17:17.46 | gloin | Daily question: How do I change the default set of applications that are listed under the kmenu? |
| 17:17.49 | gloin | on 3.1 |
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| 17:25.01 | tpr | default set? |
| 17:25.09 | gloin | tpr: yeah |
| 17:25.16 | gloin | like for all users |
| 17:26.38 | tpr | well, don't exactly know.. |
| 17:27.02 | tpr | of course you can make an user, edit the menu how do you like and then copy .kde dir to /etc/skel/ |
| 17:27.10 | gloin | tried that |
| 17:27.11 | tpr | and I'tll be used then for all new users.. |
| 17:27.15 | gloin | not all of it worked |
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| 17:44.10 | wahuu | anybody familiar with using python to control kde apps with dcop? |
| 17:49.10 | tpr | #kde-devel could be better place to ask devel questions. |
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| 18:03.05 | zack | does kde have a decent RSS aggregator? and i'm not talking knewsticker ;) |
| 18:04.06 | tpr | zack, well, one in progress but nothing else.. |
| 18:04.14 | tpr | and I think it isn't developed anymore or something. |
| 18:04.20 | zack | sad! |
| 18:04.33 | tpr | there's a 0.0 or 0.1 version, but.. :p |
| 18:04.38 | tpr | yep, very sad :( |
| 18:04.40 | zack | yeah hehe |
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| 18:05.15 | zack | do you know its name? |
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| 18:12.03 | tpr | http://lune.talath.net/~lunar/pub/syndikate/ -- there's a package.. lunar is the dev, you can find he's email from the about dialog if you want to ask if he's working on it.. :P |
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| 18:17.53 | dung | does kde have a chinese input method |
| 18:19.38 | kandalov | hmm I think you need to install xim for that |
| 18:20.03 | kandalov | the chinese input methods are the same for any desktop, that's XIM |
| 18:22.58 | dung | get your xim on |
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| 18:45.14 | trovador | is there a way to use the sftp:// kio to connect to via sftp to another port other than 22? |
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| 18:46.44 | gloin | trovador: did you try sftp://some.place:8888 ? |
| 18:46.54 | kandalov | I was just going to say that :) |
| 18:47.03 | kandalov | that's the common way to use ports |
| 18:47.06 | trovador | yes, and it doesn't work.. |
| 18:47.28 | kandalov | it didn't ? |
| 18:47.38 | kandalov | maybe you made a mistake ? |
| 18:47.38 | gloin | probably has to be implemented |
| 18:47.45 | trovador | fish works.. |
| 18:47.52 | kandalov | maybe. which version are you using ? |
| 18:47.56 | kandalov | KDE, I mean |
| 18:47.59 | kandalov | 3.1.4 ? |
| 18:48.05 | trovador | 3.1.4 |
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| 18:48.27 | kandalov | hmm can you look up in bugs.kde.org under ioslaves and sftp if the bug has been reported ? |
| 18:48.38 | trovador | ok.. |
| 18:48.41 | gloin | hey trovador try asking on #kde-devel - my guess is this is something that hasn't been written yet because nobody thought of it |
| 18:48.52 | kandalov | could be |
| 18:50.36 | trovador | ok |
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| 18:52.11 | robbin | hello |
| 18:52.18 | gloin | olleh |
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| 18:54.00 | robbin | I am trying to send email with kmail, but something goes wrong when sending the queue. Does anyone know to find out what when wrong ? eg. is there a way to get more informatie that just the message "Failed to send (some) queued messages) ? |
| 18:59.11 | PhilFood | robbin: (just guessing) run kmail from a konsole - there might be useful output there |
| 18:59.18 | PhilFood | or check your firewall logs |
| 19:01.55 | gloin | Interesting... I've found the 2 places where local changes to kmenu are stored, and the really neat one is the applications-kmenuedit.menu that has a lot of <Exclude> and <Deleted/> entries that reflect the changes I made. Which file should I drop these changes into to apply this globally? |
| 19:02.04 | robbin | PhilFood: I have tried that, but no luck. |
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| 19:14.38 | xanax` | hi |
| 19:14.44 | robbin | hello |
| 19:16.30 | xanax` | is Debian SID repositories supposed to have KDE 3.x ? I keep getting errors : Depends: kde-core but it's not going to be installed (and the same for 10 other pacakges) E: broken packages |
| 19:17.55 | dung | lol thats what you get for using sid (or debian) |
| 19:18.10 | xanax` | ;) i guess so |
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| 19:46.57 | h2k | KDE-3.1.5 Released? |
| 19:47.01 | h2k | new stable? |
| 19:48.30 | annma | just some minor bugs corrections |
| 19:48.39 | annma | some security stuff |
| 19:48.47 | annma | nothing new from 3.1.4 |
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| 19:50.16 | h2k | ok then, i'll just wait for 3.2 ,) |
| 19:51.11 | DirkGently | grr and no i18n |
| 19:52.14 | annma | h2k: yes :) |
| 19:52.38 | DirkGently | h2k: it's well worth the wait |
| 19:52.43 | h2k | it will be out ... after about 1 mont |
| 19:52.50 | h2k | month* |
| 19:53.04 | DirkGently | 2nd Feb I believe |
| 19:53.33 | h2k | yeah, but it will be still a bit later i'm afraid |
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| 19:54.13 | hydan | i have a question |
| 19:54.54 | hydan | i've downloaded a tarball that is supposed to make my kicker transparent |
| 19:55.09 | hydan | i extracted it |
| 19:55.27 | hydan | there are two files |
| 19:55.37 | hydan | transkicker-highcolor.patch |
| 19:55.44 | hydan | transkicker-keramik.patch |
| 19:56.03 | hydan | does anyone know where these are supposed to be put? |
| 19:57.55 | annma | 3.1? |
| 19:58.06 | h2k | oooo.i'd like that |
| 19:58.09 | h2k | where can i get it? |
| 19:58.16 | annma | get a 3.2 beta |
| 19:58.21 | annma | it's integrated |
| 19:58.31 | h2k | it is? cool |
| 19:58.38 | h2k | can't wait for it |
| 19:58.47 | h2k | but where can i get it for 3.1? |
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| 19:59.12 | h2k | hydan, where did tou get it? |
| 19:59.23 | hydan | kde-look |
| 19:59.40 | h2k | any link maby? |
| 19:59.53 | h2k | i have looked there around but havent noticed it |
| 19:59.54 | hydan | sure |
| 20:00.04 | hydan | give me a second... |
| 20:00.10 | gloin | where do the "Quick Browser" and "Start New Session" menu entries live? |
| 20:00.36 | DirkGently | hydan: those are source code patches |
| 20:00.55 | h2k | they are?? deem... |
| 20:02.08 | hydan | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=2177 |
| 20:02.19 | hydan | excuse me, it's transluscent |
| 20:03.18 | hydan | is there apt-get command in debian to get kde 3.2 beta? |
| 20:04.24 | DirkGently | if you can find a source for sources.list |
| 20:05.35 | hydan | btw, does anyone know how to get this transluscent kicker patch installed? |
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| 20:05.49 | hydan | these patches* |
| 20:06.09 | annma | no doc with it? |
| 20:06.20 | arkaoss | is there something I could put in a desktop icon file to make it run not as the user that is clicking it? |
| 20:06.35 | annma | Extract the file to kdelibs/kstyles/[stylename] and then type: |
| 20:06.36 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.38 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.35 | hydan | annma, i'm not seeing a kdelibs directory |
| 20:09.51 | annma | you need to have the sources |
| 20:10.05 | DirkGently | it's for people that build KDE from source |
| 20:10.14 | hydan | oh, that wouldn't be me |
| 20:10.23 | hydan | so, i guess i can't install this patch? |
| 20:11.02 | annma | to be frank, guys, this is quite old stuff, I doubt it's very good |
| 20:11.15 | hydan | alright |
| 20:11.16 | annma | from the comments it does not seem to work |
| 20:11.27 | annma | except if you know a bit ok KDE hacking |
| 20:11.38 | hydan | i'm trying to get my desktop to look like this: |
| 20:11.42 | hydan | http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=153-1.jpg&name=Acqua |
| 20:11.44 | annma | so I wouln't try that and I would wait for 3.2 |
| 20:11.58 | gloin | what is the name of the program in 3.1 that launches a new session? Like the thing I could launch from the menu that says "Start New Session" |
| 20:12.31 | annma | New Session? |
| 20:12.38 | gloin | annma: yeah |
| 20:12.41 | arkaoss | does any know know about desktop icons in kde? |
| 20:12.47 | gloin | how do I get that option off the kmenu? |
| 20:12.50 | annma | what do you mean, have another kde session? |
| 20:12.55 | annma | off? |
| 20:12.55 | gloin | yes |
| 20:13.05 | annma | off or another on? |
| 20:13.23 | annma | what do you need to make disappear? |
| 20:13.25 | gloin | annma: on the kmenu... there's an entry: "Start New Session" that I want to remove from the kmenu. |
| 20:13.41 | gloin | I also want to remove the "Quick Browser" from the kmenu. |
| 20:13.52 | gloin | globally using kiosk api maybe |
| 20:14.13 | annma | I don't have a Start New Session |
| 20:14.23 | gloin | which version of KDE? |
| 20:14.24 | DirkGently | I do |
| 20:14.35 | annma | isn't that a setting in KControl? |
| 20:14.43 | gloin | argh probably |
| 20:14.58 | DirkGently | for starting another session on another vt |
| 20:16.07 | annma | kdeglobals? |
| 20:16.22 | gloin | annma: yeah |
| 20:16.32 | DirkGently | gloin: Quick Browser has an option to disable it in 3.2 |
| 20:16.42 | gloin | DirkGently: how about in 3.1? |
| 20:16.46 | DirkGently | in Control Centre |
| 20:17.18 | gloin | or are you just looking at your setup and that's how you know? |
| 20:17.19 | DirkGently | Do you have Desktop/Panels, Menus tab |
| 20:17.38 | gloin | aha! |
| 20:17.40 | gloin | thank you |
| 20:17.46 | DirkGently | yw :¬) |
| 20:19.07 | hydan | http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=153-1.jpg&name=Acqua |
| 20:19.18 | hydan | the bar at the bottom is what i'm trying to get |
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| 20:19.40 | hydan | the bar looks great |
| 20:20.00 | hydan | the window borders are out of date, not rounded, and don't have shadows |
| 20:20.36 | wishes | its just a transparent task bar |
| 20:20.39 | DirkGently | it looks date :¬\ |
| 20:20.47 | DirkGently | s/date/dated/ |
| 20:20.51 | hydan | i think it would be cool if someone could get the minimize windows animation to look like os/x |
| 20:21.08 | gloin | I still haven't figured out how to disable "Start New Session" though =[ |
| 20:21.41 | hydan | DirkGently, what looks good to you? |
| 20:21.41 | DirkGently | gloin: there doesn't appear to be a desktop file for it |
| 20:21.49 | gloin | yeah |
| 20:21.51 | gloin | hrm |
| 20:22.00 | gloin | DirkGently: what distro are you using? |
| 20:22.15 | DirkGently | gloin: SuSE 8.2 |
| 20:22.35 | gloin | ah |
| 20:22.40 | DirkGently | hydan: Plastik theme for KDE 3.2 :¬) |
| 20:22.42 | gloin | and I'm using SuSE 9.0 |
| 20:22.48 | gloin | I wonder if it's a suse thing |
| 20:22.56 | DirkGently | gloin: not much diff |
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| 20:23.01 | gloin | yep |
| 20:23.10 | gloin | lemme see if yast has anything to offer |
| 20:23.37 | DirkGently | I don't think it's a SuSE thing |
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| 20:24.04 | wishes | hydan , wheres the url for that anyway |
| 20:24.05 | BorgQueen | Hello people |
| 20:24.10 | DirkGently | annma: when your screen locks, do you have the option to either unlock it or start a new session? |
| 20:24.25 | BorgQueen | Hey Markey- amarok's latest is a big hit |
| 20:24.39 | Markey- | hehe thank you :) |
| 20:24.41 | hydan | wishes, url for what? |
| 20:24.42 | BorgQueen | This is the first time I've seen DirkGently say anything |
| 20:25.04 | Markey- | BorgQueen: he always talks like whole bibles when you're not here |
| 20:25.15 | gloin | lol |
| 20:25.16 | DirkGently | BorgQueen: I'm usually not around at this time.. <-- Quake II freak |
| 20:25.17 | BorgQueen | Ah, I see. He doesn't like me. |
| 20:25.19 | teatime | DirkGently: do you start KDE via kdm? |
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| 20:25.29 | BorgQueen | quake is kool |
| 20:25.32 | DirkGently | teatime: yes |
| 20:25.45 | DirkGently | teatime: that'd do it |
| 20:25.59 | teatime | DirkGently: I remember it being discussed, but I don't know if it was put in. |
| 20:26.11 | teatime | I start from console, so I haven't seen it |
| 20:26.37 | BorgQueen | Markey-: the crossfade works like a dream and the web radio is fantastic. Everyone loves it. |
| 20:26.42 | hydan | btw, hehe hey BorgQueen |
| 20:26.49 | wishes | hydan , the theme/tyle |
| 20:26.53 | wishes | style* |
| 20:26.56 | Markey- | BorgQueen: good to hear that it works nicely |
| 20:27.00 | DirkGently | teatime: I live in KDE, so I use kdm.. there's always Ctrl+Alt+Fn for console |
| 20:27.18 | BorgQueen | hey hydan how are you? |
| 20:27.26 | BorgQueen | Good work Markey- thanks |
| 20:27.40 | teatime | DirkGently: sure, but I run cvs kde, and I haven't bothered to figure out how to get that loaded from gentoo :) |
| 20:27.49 | DirkGently | hydan: Have you seen Plastik screenshots? |
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| 20:27.57 | arturaz | hi. |
| 20:28.13 | arturaz | where keyboard layouts have gone from kde 3.1.94? |
| 20:28.24 | DirkGently | teatime: I've not touched Gentoo.. no desire to :¬) |
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| 20:29.00 | arturaz | neverming, found it |
| 20:29.03 | papipro | how can i make the kompete start with kde? |
| 20:29.17 | teatime | papipro: just leave it running when you log out |
| 20:29.18 | BorgQueen | `Well I just wanted to pop in to update Markey- and say hello to all in general. |
| 20:29.24 | BorgQueen | Now good day or night to all! |
| 20:29.25 | BorgQueen | BBL |
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| 20:29.29 | papipro | teatime: this dont work |
| 20:29.37 | teatime | hmm.. it should |
| 20:29.45 | teatime | bbl |
| 20:29.52 | papipro | teatime|afk: there is no startup menu? |
| 20:30.23 | teatime|afk | papipro: sure, make a shortcut to ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 20:30.42 | DirkGently | papipro: Alt+F2 |
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| 20:31.34 | DirkGently | oops... please disregard that |
| 20:31.43 | papipro | =] |
| 20:32.10 | papipro | teatime|afk: i must find the kompete binary to do this? |
| 20:32.35 | DirkGently | do: which kompete |
| 20:32.49 | papipro | kopete |
| 20:32.50 | teatime|afk | papipro: no, you can drag it from the k-menu |
| 20:33.11 | DirkGently | rofl.. I didn't want to patronise |
| 20:33.32 | papipro | ahh |
| 20:33.35 | papipro | that was easy =] |
| 20:33.38 | papipro | thanks |
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| 20:34.38 | hydan | afk |
| 20:35.59 | papipro | how can i use my webcam in kde? |
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| 20:47.07 | arturaz | lo again |
| 20:47.15 | arturaz | how do i make kboar connect? it just opens window and sits there |
| 20:47.42 | hydan | wishes: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=153-1.jpg&name=Acqua |
| 20:48.07 | hydan | BorgQueen: I'm doing great |
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| 20:48.48 | hydan | DirkGently: I have seen the Plastik screenshots, and it looks a lot like Windows |
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| 20:50.54 | arturaz | anyone? |
| 20:56.42 | arkaoss | does any know about desktop icons in kde? and having them launch stuff as another user? |
| 20:57.40 | h2k | right click > properties > execute > run as another user |
| 21:00.24 | arkaoss | is there any way to automatically do it.. say i was setting up a terminal for induhviduals |
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| 21:03.07 | jose | anyone know of any stock market or ticker kde apps? |
| 21:04.31 | richmoore | knewsticker |
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| 21:07.23 | jose | nah that's for rdf's i believe |
| 21:08.07 | richmoore | yes, it is - but you can surely find an rdf for the stock prices somewhere |
| 21:08.19 | jose | ahh |
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| 21:19.14 | arkaoss | exit |
| 21:29.18 | hydan | bblk |
| 21:29.24 | hydan | bbl* |
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| 21:51.19 | Roey | wasn't there a dwarf named gloin? |
| 21:51.48 | richmoore | yes, glimli's son - i suspect it isn't a coincidence |
| 21:53.50 | DirkGently | The Hobbit |
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| 21:53.57 | c0ol | hello |
| 21:54.28 | c0ol | i just installed 3.2beta2 and my sound quality through arts is really bad, any ideas? |
| 21:58.24 | DirkGently | c0ol: have you tried playing around with the Sound System settings in Control Centre? |
| 21:59.55 | Roey | ok |
| 22:00.02 | Roey | richmoore: there was oin, floin and gloin? |
| 22:00.19 | Roey | interesting... I don't remember gimli having children |
| 22:00.21 | dung | hey mang traditional chinese characters dont work in knode dude |
| 22:00.26 | dung | thats massed up |
| 22:00.29 | dung | how do you fix it |
| 22:00.32 | Roey | but then I zoned out of the most of the books |
| 22:00.35 | dung | only simplified character works |
| 22:00.41 | Roey | because they were so boring. |
| 22:00.47 | Roey | dung: dunno |
| 22:06.29 | c0ol | DirkGently: yea a bit, it just sounds like it has static comming through |
| 22:07.27 | papipro | see: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. , and i have the libqt-mt-dev installed |
| 22:07.38 | papipro | what should i install? |
| 22:08.14 | DirkGently | papipro: qt |
| 22:08.19 | kandalov | papipro: using debian ? then use ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 22:09.16 | papipro | same error |
| 22:10.30 | richmoore | Roey: those were in the hobbit |
| 22:10.40 | pucko | I accidentaly hit some keys in kmail, and now all my mails have this ugly fontsize/font. anyone know how to get it back to "default" |
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| 22:14.57 | pucko | ah, it was 'x' |
| 22:16.08 | papipro | checking for KDE... configure: error:in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. how to fix this? |
| 22:21.06 | smithers | papipro: where is your KDE installed to? /usr? |
| 22:21.33 | papipro | im in a debian box |
| 22:21.44 | smithers | ... if so: --prefix=/usr ... and make sure you have the -devel packages installed |
| 22:21.53 | papipro | kde-devel? |
| 22:22.09 | smithers | kdelibs-devel, most likely |
| 22:29.04 | c0ol | will 3.1 splash screens not work on 3.2? |
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| 22:56.05 | dung | hey mang traditional chinese characters dont work in knode dude |
| 22:56.11 | dung | duuuude |
| 23:03.23 | ciga | hmm! |
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| 23:40.36 | peter_pan | hi |
| 23:40.59 | peter_pan | does kmix support alsa mixers without OSS emulation (on linux 2.6.0) ? |
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| 23:55.51 | dung | kde 3.1.5 came out?!?! |
| 23:55.58 | dung | sweeeeet |
| 23:59.09 | dung | you using 3.2 beta? |
| 23:59.13 | dung | is it awesome? |
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