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00:00.10Rischwa|5ryeahh :)
00:00.15andersIsn't that siilar to python? =)
00:00.20teatimelol
00:00.23andersSimilar, even
00:01.01Rischwa|5rwell it maybe is quite similar to pythons indentation, so ... yes ;)
00:01.54Intellectusteatime & anders: So there is no way to call binary functions to instantiate KDE objects and build a dialog app??
00:02.30teatimeanders: isn't there a set of C-bindings?
00:02.36andersI think so
00:02.44andersI never tried
00:02.47teatimethen it should be possible, I guess
00:03.19andersrofl
00:03.36andersKbasic?
00:04.01Intellectusteatime & anders: What is the best IRC channel for real-time assistance while working on integrating a QT-designer front end I write with KDE??
00:04.14Intellectusteatime & anders: using full normal OO
00:04.27teatimeIntellectus: #qt or #kde-devel, probably
00:04.48andersYea
00:04.52Intellectusteatime & anders: Thanks.. I want to become a good KDE developer eventually.
00:04.54teatimeIntellectus: what's a designer-frontend, btw?
00:05.11andersIntellectus: Well, that sounds good :)
00:05.22Intellectusteatime & anders: It's a Role-based server config utility called, "Server Roller".
00:06.13teatimeIntellectus: good luck :)
00:06.32Intellectusteatime: I am just building one role at a time.. The ones I know how to do...
00:06.51DexterFdoes somebody know an applet to ip-up/ip-down, show txfer rates and stuff?
00:07.05jcDexterF trafanal
00:07.13jcwell, it's not an applet, sorry
00:07.29DexterFwell, doesnt have to. small app
00:07.36DexterF"traf anal" - heh.
00:07.41jctrafanal.sf.net
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00:07.53Rischwa|5riptraf?
00:08.35jcsorry wrong url DexterF
00:08.43jchttp://tetribot.sourceforge.net/index.php?action=trafanal
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00:15.41CwiiisHi - Does anyone know a dcop command I can issue (or just any command would do) that will end any running KDE sessions and shut down (or just end the sessions so I can shut down myself)
00:18.57andersDcop kdesktop KDesktop logout
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00:20.16DexterFwhere can I get a list of dcop commands anyway?
00:20.32andersDexterF: Use kdcop or dcop in a terminal
00:20.33Cwiiiskdcop
00:20.49DexterFwow
00:21.07Cwiiisanders - That just brings up the logout dialog though, I want to be able to cleanly shut down kde and save the session when I close my laptop, but just shutting down causes KDE to close all my applications
00:21.23andersCwiiis: Yea, I'm not aware of how to forcefully do it
00:21.40Cwiiisdamn :/ That's annoying...
00:21.44CwiiisThanks anyway
00:21.57andersCwiiis: But a ordered kde shutdown will allways try tointeract with the user, at least if there is unsaved files in any kde app
00:23.17andersCwiiis: Dcop ksmserver ksmserver
00:23.17invisiblegodits possible to put ximian evolution on kde dock?
00:23.17andersCwiiis: There are some more detailled logout methods
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00:24.21teatimeinvisiblegod: and by "dock" you mean?
00:24.44andersinvisiblegod: Kstart --help
00:24.55Cwiiisteatime - system tray
00:25.00invisiblegodi mean to put the icon in system tray
00:25.14teatimeaha
00:25.16andersKstart --tosystray command
00:25.20andersteatime: :p
00:25.27DexterFbedtime
00:25.30DexterF*yawn*
00:25.33DexterFcu
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00:25.35andersLol
00:25.38teatimeI thought all apps with a trayicon ended up in the systray.. :)
00:25.44invisiblegodanders, i will see what's that
00:26.13andersinvisiblegod: Why not use kontact?
00:26.27andersNot that it goes into the tray, but it is a kde app
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00:27.35andersteatime: Want to test mt template plugin for kate?
00:27.48teatimeinvisiblegod: 'ksystraycmd' might be worth having a look at too
00:28.07andersteatime: It now basically works, allthough I have a few more things I want to do with it
00:28.27invisiblegodanders, i send mozilla to system tray to test and i can remove it because is acting like a kde application
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00:28.30invisiblegod:S
00:28.44ugarit__what's the name of the kde window manager, I want to start it in Xnest?
00:28.54andersKwin
00:28.54teatimeinvisiblegod: actually, ksystraycmd is probably a better idea :)
00:29.07andersteatime: I wasn't aware of that
00:29.13andersteatime: Looks a bit like the same?
00:29.28invisiblegodteatime,i will google for it
00:29.30teatimeanders: um.. sure. ("mt template"? I'm a bit slow tonight..)
00:29.40teatimeinvisiblegod: you might have it installed
00:29.51teatimeanders: not really.. try running both on 'xclock'
00:30.03andersteatime: Ok, later
00:30.15andersteatime: "my template plugin"
00:30.16teatimeanders: kstart will actually embed the xclock window in the tray :)
00:30.24teatimeoh!!
00:30.25teatimelol
00:30.30invisiblegodteatime, man ksystraycmd No manual entry for ksystraycmd
00:30.45teatimeinvisiblegod: that's normal. try with konqueror... ;)
00:30.59teatimeksystraycmd --help (if you have it)
00:31.07andersinvisiblegod: Ksystraycmd --help for an overview
00:31.33invisiblegodyeah tks
00:31.52andersManual
00:32.00teatimeanders: hehehe
00:32.17andersteatime: It usually works fine, just not with commands
00:32.24invisiblegodanders, how can i remove the mozilla that i have do "kstart --to systray mozilla"?
00:32.26invisiblegod:P
00:32.35teatimeinvisiblegod: killall
00:32.38andersinvisiblegod: Shut it down
00:32.51invisiblegodteatime, LOL
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00:35.14andersHm, is there a way to really clean up a source direcory?
00:35.48andersSo only the required files (any data, source, headers and makefile.am's) stays?
00:36.25slacktendomake realclean
00:36.26Or1onanybody know how to setup a NFS icon on KDE? nfs is setup and works fine here. Problem is when I click on icon it does mount the directory but konqueror gives an error and doesn't go to the folder. "Malformed URL file:" And then konqueror opens with a blank screen.
00:36.32slacktendotype: make help
00:36.38slacktendoto sepossible targets
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00:37.00teatimeanders: make cvs-clean, if it applies
00:37.21slacktendoWhat's the deal with moving KMail to the pim package?
00:37.33andersteatime: There is no CVS directoty in this directory, so that woud be like rm -f *
00:37.42teatimeanders: bad idea then ;)
00:38.04teatimeslacktendo: was probably brought on by kontact - no big deal
00:38.17slacktendowell i had t install pilot to go with it
00:38.27slacktendoif im not mistaken that is for palms
00:38.32slacktendowhich i dont own
00:38.42slacktendoso...extra packages!
00:38.52teatimeslacktendo: no such problem with source. blame your distro ;)
00:39.53teatimeslacktendo: on the other hand, if you wanted kontact, you would have had to install all of kdenetwork if kmail had stayed there - much more packages
00:41.40andersNo rule to make target "help" :(
00:41.47slacktendoi dont have to do all source software
00:41.55slacktendojust a thought anders
00:41.55andersProbably unsermake does not support that
00:42.02Or1onI'm using "link to application" to work around this. I can't figure out what is wrong :o( I have put mount and konqueror inside command on a "link to application"
00:42.22andersOr1on: Did you try with devices:/
00:42.22ugarit__when I attempt to run kwin in Xnest I get this: mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding
00:42.52Or1onanders, it does not come out on the devices list :o( and I have tried to put it in there...
00:42.56andersugarit__: Don't worry too much unless it will not work
00:43.28ugarit__anders: it doesn't work, wmaker, twm, mwm work
00:43.34andersOr1on: Is lisa configured? The kde way is using lan:/ actually
00:44.08Or1onanders, I can mount the folder ok with a mount command with konsole no need for root etc...
00:44.22andersugarit__: I dont know to which degree kwin depends on kde running
00:44.30slacktendoany thoughts on how to close a channel in Ksirc?
00:44.34Or1onanders, uhm.. I can try running lisa here :o)
00:44.53andersOr1on: Is there a entry in fstab?
00:45.33Or1onanders, yes fstab is good. I can run mount directory and it works from fstab
00:45.54andersHm
00:46.05teatimeslacktendo: /leave - this bug appeared a week before the release.. :/
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00:46.46Or1onfstab: satori:/home/orion/public_html  /home/orion/webserver-satori    nfs     timeo=14,intr,noauto,us 0 0
00:47.26Or1onoops.. its user in there..
00:47.33Or1onI pasted it wrong :o)
00:47.35andersslacktendo: Press c-w
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00:48.41slacktendowher is that
00:48.53andersslacktendo: "CTRL + W"
00:48.56slacktendooh
00:49.09andersC-w?
00:49.25slacktendouhh no
00:49.25andersanders: "CTRL + W"
00:49.25slacktendodidnt work
00:49.25andersNo?
00:49.29andersOdd, it works here
00:49.30slacktendono
00:49.35slacktendoon ksirc
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00:49.44slacktendohaha he tried
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00:49.51andersIt worked
00:49.54slacktendoat least I know you tested it anders
00:49.56slacktendohaha
00:50.07slacktendohmm strange then
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00:51.03andersI sticked with ksirc since kde 2.0, all the way, ignoring even for a time it crashed if you touched the windwo frame with the mouse ...
00:51.49andersannma: Would you be interrested in helping me testing my kate file template plugin?
00:51.50George-er..
00:51.53George-t
00:52.02anders*rofl*, George-
00:52.09spoonyGeeJuK seems to be crashing my computer.
00:52.12spoonyGeewhy is this?
00:52.19George-anders: hey, I like xchat ;)
00:52.24andersspoonyGee: Do you listen to bad music?
00:52.24George-anders: it's my client of choice
00:52.27annmaanders: yes :)
00:52.53andersannma: Ok, I'll try to create a resonably clean package for you
00:53.02ugarit__why is kde the only wm which cannot start in Xnest?
00:53.03annma:) thanks
00:53.23andersI'm just going to rebuild kate, and confirm that it will still work
00:53.24teatimeugarit__: kde or kwin? last I tried, kde started fine
00:53.28spoonyGeeanders: yes, but i dont see how that pertains to my computer crashing.
00:53.43andersspoonyGee: Kde has taste :-0
00:54.07spoonyGeemmmm.... shocky.
00:54.22andersLol
00:55.06spoonyGeeanders: thanks for responding to my original stupid questiom, i actually needed to appear busy so i didnt have to talk to my dickhead roomate
00:55.11spoonyGeeand now he's gone, so thanks.
00:55.21spoonyGeeand no, juk doesnt crash my computer
00:55.24ugarit__Xnest :1 -ac &; kde -display :1 claims that server is already running on display 0!!!
00:58.14teatimeugarit__: I just tried it with kwin here - no problems
00:58.28teatimeugarit__: what are you executing with 'kde'?
00:58.44andersspoonyGee: I'm still here
00:59.36ugarit__teatime: ok, I ran kwin -display :1 and nothing happens, except mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding
01:00.00andersspoonyGee: I'm sorry, I'm not having more than a few music files on my pc, and juk never crashed playing any of them
01:00.05Or1onanders, I got it to work perfect with the devices applet woooooow.. that took me some time... I still can't get an icon from the desktop to open NFS though
01:00.30andersspoonyGee: You could go in kde--devel and ask in there, the juk developer is often there
01:00.47andersOr1on: What did you have to do to get it working?
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01:01.31teatimeugarit__: no idea, works here
01:01.47teatimeugarit__: although I run the kde apps from a different user account
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01:02.48Or1ondevices applet its good enough for me! anders I didn't do anything. I just used the devices applet. NFS icon on the desktop is not working here
01:03.10andersOr1on: Ok then :)
01:03.16Or1on:o)
01:03.58Or1onreinhardt theme is sooooo sweeeeet >:o)
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01:11.35ghanyone having issues with the liquidweather++ theme?
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01:12.55jaalexa quick question.  So where should I look to find clues on why kdm bombs out when starting from xdm on gentoo.   My Xserver seems to work but KDM blows up
01:13.55ghah thats why
01:13.57andersannma: Can I dcc or mail a package to you?
01:14.15andersannma: My kpf server is unavailable untill I figure out to configure it :(
01:14.15annmamail: annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr
01:14.26grepperjaalex: check /var/log/kdm.log for one
01:14.45jaalexgrepper there doesn't seem to be anything useful in there
01:15.15grepperjaalex: how does it "blow up" ?
01:15.29jaalexgrepper I have a working x server
01:15.38jaalexI can do startx and the basic wm comes up
01:16.10jaalexbut if I try to do a kdm start from xdm I get what looks like the Xserver coming up becuase I see a pointer
01:16.15jaalexthen I just goes away
01:16.26jaalexthen it just goes away
01:19.29jaalexah ha. I think I found a clue.  I'm getting mtrr errors in my dmessages
01:19.34andersannma: Ok, it is sent
01:19.56annmato be run on head?
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01:20.13sk2how can i skin gtk/qt?
01:25.15andersannma: Or 3.2
01:25.16annmaanders: do I unpack it in kate dir?
01:25.27andersannma: No, anywhere
01:25.54andersJust make -f admin/Makefile.common, ./configure, make, make install
01:26.50andersannma: And all the files you create will be named "untitled" untill I get to agree with cullmann that I can allow setting the name again (but that is a minor inconvenience)
01:27.19annmaok
01:28.54andersannma: After you install, you also need to enable the plugin in the kate config dialog, I forgot that
01:29.06annmaok
01:30.06andersUh, the time is 02:30 here..
01:30.09annmahmm, automake is not happy
01:30.19andersNo?
01:30.21annmaok, I'll tell you tomorrow
01:30.36annmawants COPYING and all
01:30.36andersI'll stick around a while yet
01:30.42andersAuch
01:30.48andersI should add those
01:30.57andersI use unsermake, so I didn't notice
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01:31.16annmaI'll add some fake
01:31.28andersThanks
01:32.17andersThe whole thing should be GPL, but I didn't even get comments in the headers yet I think
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01:32.34andersWill never happen again, now that I can use templates...
01:33.00annma;) yes
01:35.08annmahmm, plugin found
01:35.19annmafrom template -> internet: crash
01:35.58andersMh, odd
01:36.06annmaargh, C++ also crashes
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01:36.16annmait's head
01:36.18andersYea, there would be no difference
01:36.29andersI have up to date kate, and it works here
01:36.41andersWonder why
01:36.51annmaseems the lib
01:37.17annma#2  0x4131c4ec in __pthread_clock_settime () from /lib/i686/libpthread.so.0
01:37.17annma#3  0x41486ca8 in __libc_sigaction () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
01:37.17annma#4  0x41508195 in getpwnam_r () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
01:37.18annma#5  0x41507bef in getpwnam () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6
01:37.18annma#6  0x41c350f7 in KateFileTemplates::expand(QString const&) ()
01:37.18annma<PROTECTED>
01:37.19annma#7  0x41c3452f in KateFileTemplates::slotOpenTemplate(KURL const&) ()
01:37.21annma<PROTECTED>
01:37.23annma#8  0x41c333c0 in KateFileTemplates::slotOpenTemplate(int) ()
01:37.35andersAh
01:37.53andersThat was not tested here, since I filled out the kde EMail information
01:37.57andersInterresting
01:38.04andersI have to test that
01:38.58andersThat is the username stuff
01:39.16annmaeverything crashes, yes but it'll be a awesome feature
01:39.47andersTry the "any file" thing
01:39.54annmaI have to see in the code how you update your menu on the fly after selecting the plugin
01:39.59annmaI tried
01:40.13andersThat will give you a copy of the file, marked unmodified
01:40.24andersThat should not crash?
01:40.53annmawhat file should I try?
01:40.58andersAny
01:40.59annmawhat sort?
01:41.22annmayes, ok that does not crash
01:41.37annmaI tried with a file in templates before
01:41.37andersWell, any. If you use that, nothing special happens, except you get a copy of the file that has no URL, and is unmodified
01:41.45annmahere it's ok with a text file
01:42.01andersYea, but I'll look at getting the getpwnam things to work
01:42.29andersIn the mean time, try filling in your Email information, and try again (in the internet->email kcm module)
01:42.51andersIt prefers to take your realname and email from there
01:43.07annmaok
01:44.43annmait was partly filled
01:45.29annmayes!!!!!
01:45.35andersHm, if the plugin does not find your name or email in there (when required) it tries the onther thing
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01:45.48andersI just need to make that work
01:45.55andersSo you helped a lot allready
01:45.56annmaanders: Internet html document now works!!!!!!
01:46.03andersannma: Cool
01:46.13andersannma: It is very simple, but yet nice
01:46.29annmaI just had name and email address filles, I filled the other fields
01:46.44annmayes!!!!!
01:46.48annmait's all working
01:47.05andersannma: I will add a function to turn your own files into templates easily, and later I plan on some more sophisticated features
01:47.22andersBut for now, it is smart enough
01:47.26annma:) that's very good work, anders
01:47.31andersThanks :)
01:47.46andersI just need to fix that issue with the getpwnam thingie
01:47.46annmait will be very handy
01:48.03annmayes but it's nice to have found the fault
01:48.06andersNow I can sleep peacefully :)
01:48.13annma:) yes! amazing!
01:49.20andersYea, a long time wish for me
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01:49.59annmaespecially for all those webpages I have to create on edu.kde.org
01:50.08annmano more stupid copy/paste
01:50.10andersYou can have %VARIABLE as well, so you can actually fill in any kind of information that you care to export to your environment
01:50.21annma:)
01:50.48andersI'm glad you like it :-)
01:50.57annmaI already see all sort of templates
01:51.21andersYea, if you ahve some nice, generic ones, mail them to me, and I can add them
01:51.39annmayes, as I said, i always use kate for everything so it'll be even quicker
01:51.51anders:-) me too
01:52.23annma:)
01:56.47andersWine
01:56.50andersMh
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02:08.12annmaI just made my own template :)
02:09.26andersannma: Cool :-)
02:09.56annmathis is brilliant
02:10.06andersannma: If you want it in the menu, put it in KDEHOME/share/apps/kate/plugins/katefiletemplates/templates
02:10.23annmaI install it via the Makefile.am
02:10.40andersannma: The menu should then update dynamically, no need to restart kate
02:10.41annmain templates dir, I added it
02:10.46isaaczhumm, has anyone here have konq
02:10.47andersAh
02:10.50annmaand make install again
02:10.55isaaczer konq's menubar disapear
02:10.57isaacz?
02:10.57annma:) I am a pro!!!
02:11.11andersBut it is possible to just put it under your local directory
02:11.15grepperannma: me too