00:00.02 | uga | oh, ok |
00:00.08 | illogic-al | have to see if they're there first |
00:00.14 | illogic-al | yah |
00:00.29 | illogic-al | finally got named started again :) |
00:00.36 | uga | illogic-al: I asked him before to do a find / -iname 'libgl.la', and none turned up |
00:00.45 | matteorox | illogic-al, no such file or directory |
00:01.06 | illogic-al | uga, does that ignore case? i don't know how to use find :-) |
00:01.18 | uga | exactly |
00:01.36 | uga | -name->with case |
00:01.39 | uga | -iname ->no case |
00:01.41 | illogic-al | ah |
00:01.43 | illogic-al | k |
00:01.55 | matteorox | excuse me..i see a file called libGL.la inside /usr/lib |
00:02.02 | uga | LOL |
00:02.14 | uga | matteorox: how did you do the previous search? :)) |
00:02.27 | matteorox | uga, yes... |
00:02.47 | matteorox | uga, maybe now i have compiled new mesa-devel... |
00:03.04 | uga | hahaha |
00:03.19 | matteorox | uga, have i to symlink it? |
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00:03.27 | facu | hi all |
00:03.34 | uga | matteorox: I guess so, else it won't find it |
00:03.41 | facu | anyone has running kde-3.2 |
00:03.41 | facu | ? |
00:03.46 | facu | on frfeebsd |
00:04.19 | matteorox | how works symlink? what i have to write? i pls you..help me..:)) |
00:04.53 | matteorox | uga, i'm inside usr/X11/lib |
00:05.10 | illogic-al | methinks it will find it now if you istalled that rpm |
00:05.14 | uga | matteorox: illogic-al told you before where to symlink |
00:05.25 | matteorox | illogic-al and i have to write.......? |
00:05.33 | uga | illogic-al: oh? so they came from the new rpm? |
00:05.47 | illogic-al | i thought he was installing rpm |
00:06.12 | matteorox | illogic-al, i haven't installed rpm, yet... |
00:06.19 | illogic-al | oh |
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00:06.28 | nothus | hi |
00:06.29 | illogic-al | but you found the file ? |
00:06.31 | uga | illogic-al: it seems it turned up, no installs. It was there :) |
00:06.35 | uga | ignore the rest :) |
00:06.38 | illogic-al | ah |
00:06.41 | matteorox | illogic-al, anyway, i have found a libGL.la inside usr/lib |
00:06.56 | illogic-al | symlink the file to /usr/X11R6/lib |
00:07.10 | matteorox | illogic-al, how? :)) |
00:07.26 | uga | ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.la /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.la |
00:07.38 | uga | last libGL.la is not necessary actually |
00:07.41 | illogic-al | what he said :-) |
00:09.10 | matteorox | ok. i try to compile again kde |
00:09.44 | matteorox | illogic-al, it goes on...i hope it is the last error..:))) |
00:09.53 | matteorox | illogic-al, very very thanks.. |
00:10.02 | matteorox | uga, thanks also to you... |
00:10.39 | illogic-al | we'll be here all week... |
00:10.45 | illogic-al | possibly |
00:11.01 | illogic-al | argh |
00:11.05 | illogic-al | i'm in xchat |
00:11.09 | uga | hehehe |
00:11.10 | illogic-al | i can't abuse you :-( |
00:11.26 | uga | [421] abuse Unknown command |
00:11.34 | illogic-al | ksirc does it |
00:11.35 | matteorox | illogic-al, well...stay here...if i need help i'll call you again..:)) |
00:11.50 | uga | lol |
00:11.54 | uga | illogic-al: don't escape :) |
00:11.59 | illogic-al | what's the res above 1600 |
00:12.02 | matteorox | uga, and the same for you..:)) |
00:12.06 | illogic-al | 1700 something |
00:12.17 | illogic-al | 1700 something x 1344 |
00:12.21 | uga | illogic-al: no need to know unless you're paid quite a lot to buy a decent monitor :) |
00:12.27 | uga | matteorox: sorry, I wont' be here :) |
00:12.30 | illogic-al | anyone what the 1700 oart is exactly? |
00:12.41 | uga | I have a job to do during the week |
00:12.43 | matteorox | uga, ok...:))))) |
00:12.50 | simu | illogic-al, thanks |
00:12.52 | marcusU | illogic-al: oart? |
00:13.04 | illogic-al | *part |
00:13.16 | illogic-al | simu, eh? |
00:13.20 | matteorox | illogic-al, do u use mandrake? |
00:13.26 | illogic-al | yah |
00:13.41 | illogic-al | although i too prolly wont be here in the week |
00:13.50 | simu | illogic-al, you told me that arts can do full duplex |
00:13.52 | illogic-al | that's porn downloading time |
00:13.53 | simu | ;-) |
00:14.04 | matteorox | illogic-al, i have installed xfree 4.4.0 but how can i sure of it? how can i ask to mandrake which version of xfree i'm using? |
00:14.05 | illogic-al | simu, oh :-D |
00:14.35 | illogic-al | matteorox, i only know how to check thast from kde control center |
00:15.04 | illogic-al | but i don't suppose you have kde installed cuz that's what your ttrying to do now :) |
00:15.08 | SuperL4g | matteorox: from the command line... X -version |
00:16.12 | SuperL4g | X -version |
00:16.12 | SuperL4g | Release Date: 18 December 2003 |
00:16.12 | SuperL4g | X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7 |
00:16.20 | SuperL4g | like that :) |
00:16.32 | matteorox | SuperL4g, great....i have it...:)) |
00:17.24 | matteorox | if kde will work..next step will be new kernel 2.6...:)) |
00:17.42 | blueSceaDa_ | n8 cu all |
00:24.55 | uga | matteorox: 4.4? Don't !!!! |
00:24.58 | uga | install X.org :) |
00:25.13 | uga | it's the future. Most distros will sure Drop XFRee |
00:25.18 | matteorox | uga, which the problem? |
00:25.24 | uga | matteorox: the new license |
00:25.29 | uga | read: www.x.org |
00:26.24 | facu | has anyone a freebsd with kde-3.2? |
00:26.24 | uga | uhmmm.. I had a nicer link here... |
00:26.41 | uga | matteorox: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 |
00:26.46 | uga | it explains it all |
00:26.51 | matteorox | uga, so i can't use 4.4? |
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00:27.11 | uga | matteorox: you can, but it's got lots of licensing issues, so most distros will use X.org instead |
00:27.20 | uga | which includes 4.4 and some more features already :)) |
00:27.50 | matteorox | uga, so i have to download various tgz and recompile it? |
00:27.59 | uga | matteorox: XFree team (or some of their members) condemened their project with lots of stupid moves |
00:28.06 | aton` | when i log out of kde, karamba crashes every time... is this error known??? |
00:28.08 | uga | matteorox: well, maybe you have it in cooker already |
00:28.15 | uga | I have a package for xorg in gentoo at least |
00:28.57 | matteorox | uga, i don't know..i have installed new 4.4 ONLY 2 days ago...i won't to recompile it..:(((( |
00:29.05 | uga | matteorox: hehehe. ok |
00:29.13 | uga | matteorox: you don't need to |
00:29.19 | matteorox | uga, anyway, thanks..i'll remember this.. |
00:29.29 | uga | I'm just telling you that because I installed x.org right today too :) |
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00:29.42 | matteorox | uga, it works fine? |
00:29.58 | uga | matteorox: yes. X.org==XFree4.4 with no license crap |
00:30.05 | uga | and some additions |
00:30.15 | KarlosII | 4.4..... |
00:30.16 | uga | they removed some files too, due to the licenses and those are from 4.3 |
00:30.19 | KarlosII | game gpl nightmare |
00:30.25 | matteorox | uga, have you find compiled files, or you have compiled your own? |
00:30.26 | KarlosII | err I mean |
00:30.27 | uga | KarlosII: not anymore |
00:30.36 | uga | KarlosII: X.org :)) |
00:30.39 | KarlosII | uga what do you eman not a gpl nightmare anymore |
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00:30.48 | uga | KarlosII: x.org :)) |
00:30.52 | uga | go the page damn :) |
00:30.57 | uga | new project :) |
00:31.22 | uga | matteorox: I compiled it but gentoo provides the sources ready |
00:31.28 | uga | so it's a piece of cake for me |
00:31.41 | uga | I've done prevoius builds of XFree and I know how hard it is :) |
00:32.03 | matteorox | uga, for me is difficult mdk...gentoo will be understandble..:)) |
00:32.22 | uga | KarlosII: this explains it all http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031 |
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00:32.33 | uga | matteorox: lol |
00:32.46 | uga | matteorox: I'm used ot build XFRee by hand with patches, it's fun :)) |
00:32.57 | uga | I used Mandrake on my lappie until last February |
00:33.02 | uga | for the last 4-5 years |
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00:33.40 | uga | matteorox: in Gentoo, it's a piece of cake: "emerge xfree" and builds xfree :) |
00:33.57 | uga | although you depend on Gentoo's patches, which are not always perfect to be honest |
00:34.14 | uga | right now OpenOffice ebuild includes a crap patch that doesn't patch (breaks( |
00:34.23 | ChoJin | anyone using the baghira windows decoration ? |
00:36.03 | uga | last time I tried it didn't follow any rules and broke all layouting |
00:46.34 | uga | KarlosII: so you still see issues between X.org and GPL? |
00:47.10 | KarlosII | nope :) Now I just have figure out how to migrate using debian |
00:47.16 | uga | hahaah |
00:47.22 | uga | KarlosII: sure they'll provide packages soon |
00:47.43 | uga | well, soon..... in the Debian timescale ;) |
00:50.11 | Tronic | uga: Don't say so.. They got xfree 4.3.0 to Testing in just 14 months! |
00:50.26 | uga | lol |
00:50.36 | uga | well, this one may be quickeer |
00:50.44 | uga | they like sorting out license issues |
00:51.03 | uga | and Debian was one of the first encouraging the fd.org project |
00:51.17 | uga | oh! I forgot. Imust build kdrive |
00:51.22 | Tronic | Btw, has any distro backed off the xfree86 boycott? |
00:51.50 | Tronic | I mean, did any of those who decided to boycott it already provide packages for 4.4 anyway? |
00:51.50 | uga | there are a few distros that use it ,but I doubt any that "boycott" it backed from it |
00:52.10 | uga | not sure what Mdk included in version 10.0 |
00:52.35 | Tronic | Yes, I was quite amazed to find out Slackware didn't join the boycott. |
00:54.04 | uga | Not sure what the XFree guys have been thinking. First they deal with the project in a really closed way, push out people, and now that everything seemed calmed, they create confusion by a half-baked license and don't change it when most ask for it |
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00:54.30 | uga | it looks like they really wanted xfree to dissappear |
00:55.23 | uga | anyway, lets hope it's for good |
00:55.39 | uga | the project may be a bit more open, and it seems they're encouragign more feature coding |
01:00.46 | KarlosII | Tronic the new x is 2 days old and takes upto 48 hours on some arches to compile |
01:01.00 | KarlosII | arches = architecture |
01:01.54 | uga | well, depends on your cpu speed :) |
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01:06.16 | sf_ | uga: use the ximian-openoffice.org ebuild on gentoo, I've always had trouble with the normal ebuild, but never with the ximian.... |
01:06.37 | uga | oh, nice hint. Thanks |
01:06.50 | uga | I was beginning the binary download :) |
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01:07.26 | sf_ | well, that's okay too, Openoffice is hell to compile...20 hours i believe it took last time I tried... |
01:07.46 | uga | I built version 1.1 fine |
01:07.53 | uga | but it has some issues exporting to pdf |
01:08.05 | sf_ | I see... |
01:08.16 | uga | I have a file where exporting 20 pages goes fine, but exporting full doc gets no antialiasing |
01:08.25 | uga | so I wanted to update to 1.1.1 (~x86) |
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01:08.35 | uga | it should probably build, but the patch fails |
01:08.44 | uga | it seems whoever made the package didn't actually test it |
01:08.58 | uga | the patch doesn't correspond to the actual tarball |
01:09.15 | sf_ | I tried downloading their preview at one time...it couldn't save...seems like things really break down doing development...:/ Quite unstable :( |
01:09.31 | sf_ | preview = development version |
01:11.17 | uga | you mean 2.0? |
01:11.26 | sf_ | yep... |
01:11.26 | uga | yes, well, first, I saw no differences at first sight |
01:11.34 | uga | and seemed to be a little bit unstable |
01:12.06 | uga | sf_: I thik I'll use KWord as soon as I rebuild it using the wv filters :) |
01:12.16 | sf_ | wv filters? |
01:12.33 | uga | filters for MS word format |
01:12.37 | sf_ | I see... |
01:12.40 | sf_ | tried abiword? |
01:12.49 | uga | sf_: I'm trying to pdf'y a book I got from the net.... 900 pages |
01:12.58 | uga | sf_: abiword? uhm no |
01:13.00 | uga | I doubt... |
01:13.04 | sf_ | it's nice too... |
01:13.25 | sf_ | lacks a few features, but it's damn fast, starts instantly... |
01:13.26 | uga | I don't think it has the necessary features to accomplish this work |
01:13.35 | sf_ | probably not... |
01:13.58 | uga | I even doubt KWord will be able to import it fully |
01:14.10 | uga | Open Office could do it more or less. Not completely |
01:14.56 | sf_ | well, abiword has pretty good word filtering... |
01:15.22 | uga | sf_: including VB macros? ;) |
01:15.33 | sf_ | hehe no... |
01:15.38 | uga | the documetn is really awkward |
01:15.47 | uga | I mean it's a full book |
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01:15.58 | uga | so it includes numerous stuff |
01:16.05 | sf_ | openoffice hardly supports macros afair... |
01:16.14 | uga | it did support them |
01:16.23 | uga | but had problems while saving in OO.org format back |
01:16.47 | uga | and the pdf got .. well, no antialiasing if I priinted over 20 pages |
01:16.49 | uga | which is crap |
01:16.59 | sf_ | :( |
01:17.10 | uga | it seems it embedded no Truetype fonts with >20 pages |
01:17.39 | uga | it seems a bug. that's why I wanted to update to 1.1.1 |
01:17.44 | sf_ | hmm, convert it to ps og pdf and print using gs? |
01:18.01 | uga | sf_: uhm. nice icea. I'll try. |
01:18.10 | uga | Well, tomorrow. My head needs sleeping |
01:18.17 | uga | too late... |
01:18.22 | sf_ | yep... |
01:18.23 | uga | good night, and thanks for the idea |
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01:28.39 | AbsTradELic | hi |
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01:31.05 | AbsTradELic | can anyone here tell me about a translator language for kde ? |
01:31.31 | tpr | what do you mean? :) |
01:31.48 | octothorp | how can I get kdm to use /tmp/.Xauthority instead of ~/.Xauthority ? |
01:32.11 | AbsTradELic | tpr translate documents |
01:32.30 | AbsTradELic | english -> portugues |
01:32.43 | tpr | AbsTradELic, translate gui or documentation or..? |
01:33.28 | tpr | there's already translation team for portuguese.. check out this: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php?a=i&t=pt |
01:33.30 | AbsTradELic | no gui, just ... |
01:33.37 | tpr | oh, hmm? |
01:34.04 | AbsTradELic | I need a general translator |
01:34.15 | AbsTradELic | everything |
01:34.29 | tpr | ah, babelfish.altavista.com? |
01:34.40 | AbsTradELic | yeah |
01:35.18 | AbsTradELic | but offline |
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01:37.38 | AbsTradELic | I think about the languages from kde team, and I thing the packages with languages... and I think a offline general translator |
01:38.39 | annma | to translate what exactly? |
01:38.56 | AbsTradELic | texts |
01:39.34 | annma | there's no such a tool |
01:39.50 | annma | it does not exist even in windows |
01:40.04 | AbsTradELic | humru |
01:40.55 | AbsTradELic | is easy do one ? |
01:41.06 | annma | lol |
01:41.12 | AbsTradELic | using the kde language library ? |
01:41.15 | annma | if it was easy it would have been done |
01:41.46 | annma | no, it's very difficult, you nned a powerful parser and interpreter and a grammatical checker |
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01:42.50 | AbsTradELic | okay |
01:43.31 | AbsTradELic | anyone have interest on this ? |
01:43.50 | annma | as I said, it's too difficult |
01:44.06 | annma | you need one for lang1 to lang2 and so on |
01:44.14 | annma | not possible |
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01:45.04 | octothorp | I could really use some help with .Xauthority if someone would be so kind |
01:45.24 | AbsTradELic | ok, would good ask it, because now I understand the translator process on kde |
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01:46.45 | AbsTradELic | I would think it would make from a parser > interpreter > grammatical process |
01:47.39 | AbsTradELic | from all the gui of kde |
01:48.15 | annma | for what language? |
01:50.01 | AbsTradELic | example: if I installing a new english program, then the installer will see the system language and starter a parser>interpreter>grammatical process on english program instalation |
01:50.27 | annma | but all kde programs are already translated |
01:50.31 | AbsTradELic | resulting a another language intalled program |
01:50.49 | AbsTradELic | annma: humrum ! |
01:50.59 | annma | humrum? |
01:51.06 | AbsTradELic | annma: but its make manually ? |
01:51.09 | annma | is it April Fool? |
01:51.27 | AbsTradELic | no no |
01:51.33 | annma | I don't think you know anything about languages |
01:52.12 | AbsTradELic | it's a idea |
01:52.14 | SuperL4g | Any of you guys run SuSE and have successfully updated to KDE 3.2.x? |
01:52.51 | SuperL4g | annma: you're a glutton for punishment? :) |
01:52.58 | annma | lol |
01:56.39 | AbsTradELic | annma: if the kde team create a auto translater from language1 to language2 using a parser>interpreter>grammatical process... no need teams to translate the applications, only teams to work on translator specific grammatical/language |
01:57.02 | annma | AbsTradELic: I tell you it is not possibler |
01:57.11 | AbsTradELic | no ? |
01:57.15 | annma | no |
01:57.35 | AbsTradELic | humrum |
01:58.17 | AbsTradELic | annma: you is a programmer ? |
01:58.22 | annma | yes\ |
01:58.42 | annma | you are not I guess |
01:59.39 | AbsTradELic | the structure of a compiled program do not open a translator opportunity to applications ? |
02:01.04 | AbsTradELic | is this ? |
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02:02.21 | AbsTradELic | well, the new chip generation is close |
02:02.44 | AbsTradELic | kde will work fine with this |
02:03.36 | AbsTradELic | ok |
02:03.53 | AbsTradELic | annma: another idea... its easy |
02:04.06 | AbsTradELic | very easy |
02:04.15 | SuperL4g | annma: well... I'm updating to KDE 3.2 on SuSE, so maybe I am a glutton for punishment. :) |
02:04.36 | annma | what problem do you have? |
02:04.44 | SuperL4g | none so far |
02:04.49 | annma | :) |
02:06.02 | AbsTradELic | annma, on screensaver, put a auto-off-screensaver timer to auto return the screen and soon |
02:06.55 | annma | you can submit that on bugs.kde.org as a wish |
02:06.56 | AbsTradELic | its a recurse that not exist on windows |
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02:07.12 | AbsTradELic | X:) |
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02:07.33 | sirReal | ugh. is there a way to force a refresh of devices:/ ? |
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02:08.20 | AbsTradELic | annma: you understand ? |
02:08.54 | annma | submit it on bugs.kde.org |
02:09.00 | annma | I have to go now |
02:11.00 | facu | has anyone compiled kde 3.2 on freebsd??? |
02:14.35 | facu | hello? |
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02:19.29 | marcusU | Hiya. |
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02:21.07 | dbglt | hey guys i seem to be having problems with k3b (or the burning backends) |
02:21.19 | dbglt | im trying to burn a live mix cd which should have no pregaps |
02:21.38 | dbglt | it burns fine, but the tracks do not work properly in my car/cd player |
02:21.44 | dbglt | i cannot skip or anything |
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02:22.12 | dbglt | any ideas what could be causing this? |
02:22.15 | marcusU | dbglt: Do they play on the computer? |
02:22.18 | dbglt | it works fine if i leave the pregap as default |
02:22.42 | dbglt | marcusU: sec, will try it |
02:22.49 | marcusU | Sounds like your car/cd player don't like the pregap setting. I know that that's stating the obvious. |
02:23.03 | dbglt | heh |
02:23.10 | dbglt | however they work with other cds without gaps |
02:23.17 | dbglt | ones that i have purchased |
02:23.46 | marcusU | Again, maybe the firmware isn't set up for burned-CD's with zero pregap. |
02:24.09 | marcusU | Heck, my dad's DVD player says that it won't play burned CDs or burned DVDs at all. |
02:24.17 | marcusU | (It will play the R variant, but not RW) |
02:24.27 | marcusU | (Despite the what the manaul says.) |
02:24.51 | dbglt | heh |
02:25.13 | marcusU | Sorry that I'm not the fountain of wisdom on the subject. |
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02:28.53 | etoibmys | Anyone gotten the KDE CVS ebuilds working? |
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02:31.01 | ColinB | are there any programs that will let me view my desktop in portrait mode? |
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02:33.15 | sf_ | yes, the one from breakmygentoo...but that was before the 3.2 release... |
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02:37.51 | ColinB | breakmygentoo? |
02:37.56 | ColinB | im still on 3.1 |
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03:03.25 | ninwa | anyone know off hand where the kdelib build director is? |
03:03.31 | ninwa | directory* |
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03:05.23 | ChoJin | hello |
03:07.02 | ChoJin | with alt+tab I can switch the process/window. But it displays a list of icons representing the different application in the middle of the screen, cycling over them until you make your choice. how can I make him switching un "real time" ? |
03:07.16 | ChoJin | I mean I would like to see the windows coming up while doing the alt+tab |
03:07.25 | ChoJin | (like under E for instance) |
03:07.50 | JohnFlux_ | dunno - but I would look under kcontrol |
03:08.48 | ChoJin | I did :) |
03:09.34 | ninwa | I just installed doxygen for kdevelop and it said I should rebuild my kdelibs sources... where are they? heh... |
03:09.49 | KarlosII | OO 1.1.1 Stable is out :) |
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03:11.44 | ChoJin | JohnFlux_: under "desktop->windows behavior" if I put the "CDE" mode it almost do what I want, in fact I would like to have KDE + CDE mode, the stuff in the middle of the screen _and_ the real time behavior |
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03:13.19 | JohnFlux_ | ChoJin well then I guess noone has coded that :) |
03:14.05 | ChoJin | too bad :) |
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