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00:00.02ugaoh, ok
00:00.08illogic-alhave to see if they're there first
00:00.14illogic-alyah
00:00.29illogic-alfinally got named started again :)
00:00.36ugaillogic-al: I asked him before to do a find / -iname 'libgl.la', and none turned up
00:00.45matteoroxillogic-al, no such file or directory
00:01.06illogic-aluga, does that ignore case? i don't know how to use find :-)
00:01.18ugaexactly
00:01.36uga-name->with case
00:01.39uga-iname ->no case
00:01.41illogic-alah
00:01.43illogic-alk
00:01.55matteoroxexcuse me..i see a file called libGL.la inside /usr/lib
00:02.02ugaLOL
00:02.14ugamatteorox: how did you do the previous search? :))
00:02.27matteoroxuga, yes...
00:02.47matteoroxuga, maybe now i have compiled new mesa-devel...
00:03.04ugahahaha
00:03.19matteoroxuga, have i to symlink it?
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00:03.27facuhi all
00:03.34ugamatteorox: I guess so, else it won't find it
00:03.41facuanyone has running kde-3.2
00:03.41facu?
00:03.46facuon frfeebsd
00:04.19matteoroxhow works symlink? what i have to write? i pls you..help me..:))
00:04.53matteoroxuga, i'm inside usr/X11/lib
00:05.10illogic-almethinks it will find it now if you istalled that rpm
00:05.14ugamatteorox: illogic-al told you before where to symlink
00:05.25matteoroxillogic-al and i have to write.......?
00:05.33ugaillogic-al: oh? so they came from the new rpm?
00:05.47illogic-ali thought he was installing rpm
00:06.12matteoroxillogic-al, i haven't installed rpm, yet...
00:06.19illogic-aloh
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00:06.28nothushi
00:06.29illogic-albut you found the file ?
00:06.31ugaillogic-al: it seems it turned up, no installs. It was there :)
00:06.35ugaignore the rest :)
00:06.38illogic-alah
00:06.41matteoroxillogic-al, anyway, i have found a libGL.la inside usr/lib
00:06.56illogic-alsymlink the file to /usr/X11R6/lib
00:07.10matteoroxillogic-al, how? :))
00:07.26ugaln -s /usr/lib/libGL.la /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.la
00:07.38ugalast libGL.la is not necessary actually
00:07.41illogic-alwhat he said :-)
00:09.10matteoroxok. i try to compile again kde
00:09.44matteoroxillogic-al, it goes on...i hope it is the last error..:)))
00:09.53matteoroxillogic-al, very very thanks..
00:10.02matteoroxuga, thanks also to you...
00:10.39illogic-alwe'll be here all week...
00:10.45illogic-alpossibly
00:11.01illogic-alargh
00:11.05illogic-ali'm in xchat
00:11.09ugahehehe
00:11.10illogic-ali can't abuse you :-(
00:11.26uga[421] abuse Unknown command
00:11.34illogic-alksirc does it
00:11.35matteoroxillogic-al, well...stay here...if i need help i'll call you again..:))
00:11.50ugalol
00:11.54ugaillogic-al: don't escape :)
00:11.59illogic-alwhat's the res above 1600
00:12.02matteoroxuga, and the same for you..:))
00:12.06illogic-al1700 something
00:12.17illogic-al1700 something x 1344
00:12.21ugaillogic-al: no need to know unless you're paid quite a lot to buy a decent monitor :)
00:12.27ugamatteorox: sorry, I wont' be here :)
00:12.30illogic-alanyone what the 1700 oart is exactly?
00:12.41ugaI have a job to do during the week
00:12.43matteoroxuga, ok...:)))))
00:12.50simuillogic-al, thanks
00:12.52marcusUillogic-al: oart?
00:13.04illogic-al*part
00:13.16illogic-alsimu, eh?
00:13.20matteoroxillogic-al, do u use mandrake?
00:13.26illogic-alyah
00:13.41illogic-alalthough i too prolly wont be here in the week
00:13.50simuillogic-al, you told me that arts can do full duplex
00:13.52illogic-althat's porn downloading time
00:13.53simu;-)
00:14.04matteoroxillogic-al, i have installed xfree 4.4.0 but how can i sure of it? how can i ask to mandrake which version of xfree i'm using?
00:14.05illogic-alsimu, oh :-D
00:14.35illogic-almatteorox, i only know how to check thast from kde control center
00:15.04illogic-albut i don't suppose you have kde installed cuz that's what your ttrying to do now :)
00:15.08SuperL4gmatteorox: from the command line... X -version
00:16.12SuperL4gX -version
00:16.12SuperL4gRelease Date: 18 December 2003
00:16.12SuperL4gX Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.7
00:16.20SuperL4glike that :)
00:16.32matteoroxSuperL4g, great....i have it...:))
00:17.24matteoroxif kde will work..next step will be new kernel 2.6...:))
00:17.42blueSceaDa_n8 cu all
00:24.55ugamatteorox: 4.4? Don't !!!!
00:24.58ugainstall X.org :)
00:25.13ugait's the future. Most distros will sure Drop XFRee
00:25.18matteoroxuga, which the problem?
00:25.24ugamatteorox: the new license
00:25.29ugaread: www.x.org
00:26.24facuhas anyone a freebsd with kde-3.2?
00:26.24ugauhmmm.. I had a nicer link here...
00:26.41ugamatteorox: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031
00:26.46ugait explains it all
00:26.51matteoroxuga, so i can't use 4.4?
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00:27.11ugamatteorox: you can, but it's got lots of licensing issues, so most distros will use X.org instead
00:27.20ugawhich includes 4.4 and some more features already :))
00:27.50matteoroxuga, so i have to download various tgz and recompile it?
00:27.59ugamatteorox: XFree team (or some of their members) condemened their project with lots of stupid moves
00:28.06aton`when i log out of kde, karamba crashes every time... is this error known???
00:28.08ugamatteorox: well, maybe you have it in cooker already
00:28.15ugaI have a package for xorg in gentoo at least
00:28.57matteoroxuga, i don't know..i have installed new 4.4 ONLY 2 days ago...i won't to recompile it..:((((
00:29.05ugamatteorox: hehehe. ok
00:29.13ugamatteorox: you don't need to
00:29.19matteoroxuga, anyway, thanks..i'll remember this..
00:29.29ugaI'm just telling you that because I installed x.org right today too :)
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00:29.42matteoroxuga, it works fine?
00:29.58ugamatteorox: yes. X.org==XFree4.4 with no license crap
00:30.05ugaand some additions
00:30.15KarlosII4.4.....
00:30.16ugathey removed some files too, due to the licenses and those are from 4.3
00:30.19KarlosIIgame gpl nightmare
00:30.25matteoroxuga, have you find compiled files, or you have compiled your own?
00:30.26KarlosIIerr I mean
00:30.27ugaKarlosII: not anymore
00:30.36ugaKarlosII: X.org :))
00:30.39KarlosIIuga what do you eman not a gpl nightmare anymore
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00:30.48ugaKarlosII: x.org :))
00:30.52ugago the page damn :)
00:30.57uganew project :)
00:31.22ugamatteorox: I compiled it but gentoo provides the sources ready
00:31.28ugaso it's a piece of cake for me
00:31.41ugaI've done prevoius builds of XFree and I know how hard it is :)
00:32.03matteoroxuga, for me is difficult mdk...gentoo will be understandble..:))
00:32.22ugaKarlosII: this explains it all http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3338031
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00:32.33ugamatteorox: lol
00:32.46ugamatteorox: I'm used ot build XFRee by hand  with patches, it's fun :))
00:32.57ugaI used Mandrake on my lappie until last February
00:33.02ugafor the last 4-5 years
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00:33.40ugamatteorox: in Gentoo, it's a piece of cake: "emerge xfree" and builds xfree :)
00:33.57ugaalthough you depend on Gentoo's patches, which are not always perfect to be honest
00:34.14ugaright now OpenOffice ebuild includes a crap patch that doesn't patch (breaks(
00:34.23ChoJinanyone using the baghira windows decoration ?
00:36.03ugalast time I tried it didn't follow any rules and broke all layouting
00:46.34ugaKarlosII: so you still see issues between X.org and GPL?
00:47.10KarlosIInope :) Now I just have figure out how to migrate using debian
00:47.16ugahahaah
00:47.22ugaKarlosII: sure they'll provide packages soon
00:47.43ugawell, soon..... in the Debian timescale ;)
00:50.11Tronicuga: Don't say so.. They got xfree 4.3.0 to Testing in just 14 months!
00:50.26ugalol
00:50.36ugawell, this one may be quickeer
00:50.44ugathey like sorting out license issues
00:51.03ugaand Debian was one of the first encouraging the fd.org project
00:51.17ugaoh! I forgot. Imust build kdrive
00:51.22TronicBtw, has any distro backed off the xfree86 boycott?
00:51.50TronicI mean, did any of those who decided to boycott it already provide packages for 4.4 anyway?
00:51.50ugathere are a few distros that use it ,but I doubt any that "boycott" it backed from it
00:52.10uganot sure what Mdk included in version 10.0
00:52.35TronicYes, I was quite amazed to find out Slackware didn't join the boycott.
00:54.04ugaNot sure what the XFree guys have been thinking. First they deal with the project in a really closed way, push out people, and now that everything seemed calmed, they create confusion by a half-baked license and don't change it when most ask for it
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00:54.30ugait looks like they really wanted xfree to dissappear
00:55.23ugaanyway, lets hope it's for good
00:55.39ugathe project may be a bit more open, and it seems they're encouragign more feature coding
01:00.46KarlosIITronic the new x is 2 days old and takes upto 48 hours on some arches to compile
01:01.00KarlosIIarches = architecture
01:01.54ugawell, depends on your cpu speed :)
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01:06.16sf_uga: use the ximian-openoffice.org ebuild on gentoo, I've always had trouble with the normal ebuild, but never with the ximian....
01:06.37ugaoh, nice hint. Thanks
01:06.50ugaI was beginning the binary download :)
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01:07.26sf_well, that's okay too, Openoffice is hell to compile...20 hours i believe it took last time I tried...
01:07.46ugaI built version 1.1 fine
01:07.53ugabut it has some issues exporting to pdf
01:08.05sf_I see...
01:08.16ugaI have a file where exporting 20 pages goes fine, but exporting full doc gets no antialiasing
01:08.25ugaso I wanted to update to 1.1.1 (~x86)
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01:08.35ugait should probably build, but the patch fails
01:08.44ugait seems whoever made the package didn't actually test it
01:08.58ugathe patch doesn't correspond to the actual tarball
01:09.15sf_I tried downloading their preview at one time...it couldn't save...seems like things really break down doing development...:/ Quite unstable :(
01:09.31sf_preview = development version
01:11.17ugayou mean 2.0?
01:11.26sf_yep...
01:11.26ugayes, well, first, I saw no differences at first sight
01:11.34ugaand seemed to be a little bit unstable
01:12.06ugasf_: I thik I'll use KWord as soon as I rebuild it using the wv filters :)
01:12.16sf_wv filters?
01:12.33ugafilters for MS word format
01:12.37sf_I see...
01:12.40sf_tried abiword?
01:12.49ugasf_: I'm trying to pdf'y a book I got from the net.... 900 pages
01:12.58ugasf_: abiword? uhm no
01:13.00ugaI doubt...
01:13.04sf_it's nice too...
01:13.25sf_lacks a few features, but it's damn fast, starts instantly...
01:13.26ugaI don't think it has the necessary features to accomplish this work
01:13.35sf_probably not...
01:13.58ugaI even doubt KWord will be able to import it fully
01:14.10ugaOpen Office could do it more or less. Not completely
01:14.56sf_well, abiword has pretty good word filtering...
01:15.22ugasf_: including VB macros? ;)
01:15.33sf_hehe no...
01:15.38ugathe documetn is really awkward
01:15.47ugaI mean it's a full book
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01:15.58ugaso it includes numerous stuff
01:16.05sf_openoffice hardly supports macros afair...
01:16.14ugait did support them
01:16.23ugabut had problems while saving in OO.org format back
01:16.47ugaand the pdf got .. well, no antialiasing if I priinted over 20 pages
01:16.49ugawhich is crap
01:16.59sf_:(
01:17.10ugait seems it embedded no Truetype fonts with >20 pages
01:17.39ugait seems a bug. that's why I wanted to update to 1.1.1
01:17.44sf_hmm, convert it to ps og pdf and print using gs?
01:18.01ugasf_: uhm. nice icea. I'll try.
01:18.10ugaWell, tomorrow. My head needs sleeping
01:18.17ugatoo late...
01:18.22sf_yep...
01:18.23ugagood night, and thanks for the idea
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01:28.39AbsTradELichi
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01:31.05AbsTradELiccan anyone here tell me about a translator language for kde ?
01:31.31tprwhat do you mean? :)
01:31.48octothorphow can I get kdm to use /tmp/.Xauthority instead of ~/.Xauthority ?
01:32.11AbsTradELictpr translate documents
01:32.30AbsTradELicenglish -> portugues
01:32.43tprAbsTradELic, translate gui or documentation or..?
01:33.28tprthere's already translation team for portuguese.. check out this: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/index.php?a=i&t=pt
01:33.30AbsTradELicno gui, just ...
01:33.37tproh, hmm?
01:34.04AbsTradELicI need a general translator
01:34.15AbsTradELiceverything
01:34.29tprah, babelfish.altavista.com?
01:34.40AbsTradELicyeah
01:35.18AbsTradELicbut offline
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01:37.38AbsTradELicI think about the languages from kde team, and I thing the packages with languages... and I think a offline general translator
01:38.39annmato translate what exactly?
01:38.56AbsTradELictexts
01:39.34annmathere's no such a tool
01:39.50annmait does not exist even in windows
01:40.04AbsTradELichumru
01:40.55AbsTradELicis easy do one ?
01:41.06annmalol
01:41.12AbsTradELicusing the kde language library ?
01:41.15annmaif it was easy it would have been done
01:41.46annmano, it's very difficult, you nned a powerful parser and interpreter and a grammatical checker
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01:42.50AbsTradELicokay
01:43.31AbsTradELicanyone have interest on this ?
01:43.50annmaas I said, it's too difficult
01:44.06annmayou need one for lang1 to lang2 and so on
01:44.14annmanot possible
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01:45.04octothorpI could really use some help with .Xauthority if someone would be so kind
01:45.24AbsTradELicok, would good ask it, because now I understand the translator process on kde
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01:46.45AbsTradELicI would think it would make from a parser > interpreter > grammatical process
01:47.39AbsTradELicfrom all the gui of kde
01:48.15annmafor what language?
01:50.01AbsTradELicexample: if I installing a new english program, then the installer will see the system language and starter a parser>interpreter>grammatical process on english program instalation
01:50.27annmabut all kde programs are already translated
01:50.31AbsTradELicresulting a another language intalled program
01:50.49AbsTradELicannma: humrum !
01:50.59annmahumrum?
01:51.06AbsTradELicannma: but its make manually ?
01:51.09annmais it April Fool?
01:51.27AbsTradELicno no
01:51.33annmaI don't think you know anything about languages
01:52.12AbsTradELicit's a idea
01:52.14SuperL4gAny of you guys run SuSE and have successfully updated to KDE 3.2.x?
01:52.51SuperL4gannma: you're a glutton for punishment? :)
01:52.58annmalol
01:56.39AbsTradELicannma: if the kde team create a auto translater from language1 to language2 using a parser>interpreter>grammatical process... no need teams to translate the applications, only teams to work on translator specific grammatical/language
01:57.02annmaAbsTradELic: I tell you it is not possibler
01:57.11AbsTradELicno ?
01:57.15annmano
01:57.35AbsTradELichumrum
01:58.17AbsTradELicannma: you is a programmer ?
01:58.22annmayes\
01:58.42annmayou are not I guess
01:59.39AbsTradELicthe structure of a compiled program do not open a translator opportunity to applications ?
02:01.04AbsTradELicis this ?
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02:02.21AbsTradELicwell, the new chip generation is close
02:02.44AbsTradELickde will work fine with this
02:03.36AbsTradELicok
02:03.53AbsTradELicannma: another idea... its easy
02:04.06AbsTradELicvery easy
02:04.15SuperL4gannma: well... I'm updating to KDE 3.2 on SuSE, so maybe I am a glutton for punishment. :)
02:04.36annmawhat problem do you have?
02:04.44SuperL4gnone so far
02:04.49annma:)
02:06.02AbsTradELicannma, on screensaver, put a auto-off-screensaver timer to auto return the screen and soon
02:06.55annmayou can submit that on bugs.kde.org as a wish
02:06.56AbsTradELicits a recurse that not exist on windows
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02:07.12AbsTradELicX:)
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02:07.33sirRealugh. is there a way to force a refresh of devices:/ ?
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02:08.20AbsTradELicannma: you understand ?
02:08.54annmasubmit it on bugs.kde.org
02:09.00annmaI have to go now
02:11.00facuhas anyone compiled kde 3.2 on freebsd???
02:14.35facuhello?
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02:19.29marcusUHiya.
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02:21.07dbglthey guys i seem to be having problems with k3b (or the burning backends)
02:21.19dbgltim trying to burn a live mix cd which should have no pregaps
02:21.38dbgltit burns fine, but the tracks do not work properly in my car/cd player
02:21.44dbglti cannot skip or anything
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02:22.12dbgltany ideas what could be causing this?
02:22.15marcusUdbglt: Do they play on the computer?
02:22.18dbgltit works fine if i leave the pregap as default
02:22.42dbgltmarcusU: sec, will try it
02:22.49marcusUSounds like your car/cd player don't like the pregap setting. I know that that's stating the obvious.
02:23.03dbgltheh
02:23.10dbglthowever they work with other cds without gaps
02:23.17dbgltones that i have purchased
02:23.46marcusUAgain, maybe the firmware isn't set up for burned-CD's with zero pregap.
02:24.09marcusUHeck, my dad's DVD player says that it won't play burned CDs or burned DVDs at all.
02:24.17marcusU(It will play the R variant, but not RW)
02:24.27marcusU(Despite the what the manaul says.)
02:24.51dbgltheh
02:25.13marcusUSorry that I'm not the fountain of wisdom on the subject.
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02:28.53etoibmysAnyone gotten the KDE CVS ebuilds working?
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02:31.01ColinBare there any programs that will let me view my desktop in portrait mode?
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02:33.15sf_yes, the one from breakmygentoo...but that was before the 3.2 release...
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02:37.56ColinBim still on 3.1
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03:03.25ninwaanyone know off hand where the kdelib build director is?
03:03.31ninwadirectory*
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03:05.23ChoJinhello
03:07.02ChoJinwith alt+tab I can switch the process/window. But it displays a list of icons representing the different application in the middle of the screen, cycling over them until you make your choice. how can I make him switching un "real time" ?
03:07.16ChoJinI mean I would like to see the windows coming up while doing the alt+tab
03:07.25ChoJin(like under E for instance)
03:07.50JohnFlux_dunno - but I would look under kcontrol
03:08.48ChoJinI did :)
03:09.34ninwaI just installed doxygen for kdevelop and it said I should rebuild my kdelibs sources... where are they? heh...
03:09.49KarlosIIOO 1.1.1 Stable is out :)
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03:11.44ChoJinJohnFlux_: under "desktop->windows behavior" if I put the "CDE" mode it almost do what I want, in fact I would like to have KDE + CDE mode, the stuff in the middle of the screen _and_ the real time behavior
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03:13.19JohnFlux_ChoJin well then I guess noone has coded that :)
03:14.05ChoJintoo bad :)
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