00:00.41 | odl | bullet in the head drWorm |
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00:01.13 | drWorm | i wouldn't go that far, they just need to learn not to piss off strangers for fun |
00:01.51 | drWorm | Normal People (tm) quit doing that after the first couple of ring-the-doorbell-and-run pranks as kids :) |
00:03.03 | odl | drWorm: i would |
00:03.06 | odl | stab those people in the face |
00:03.34 | drWorm | you must be american ;) |
00:03.38 | drWorm | *ducks* |
00:10.30 | jh_mobile | I just had a keyboard driver failure and could not shut down. I suppose I could have gone to another system and tried ssh to shut down, but I powered off. Now I can't log in with KDM. Another account on this machine can log in. I can log in in console mode, launch X, and get my KDE session. I have deleted everything in /tmp. This is the second time this has happened to one of my systems. I am not finding anything in the main syslog. |
00:10.39 | jh_mobile | Any suggestions for troubleshooting this? |
00:11.25 | ilyak_ | jh_mobile: |
00:11.38 | ilyak_ | tweak:///etc/pam.d/kdm ?? |
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00:20.42 | jh_mobile | ... but nothing in /etc/pam.d/kdm has changed... |
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00:27.09 | phrag | anyone know how i can stop x or kde listening on 30000... i load kdm -nolisten and have edited /opt/kde/share/config/kdm/Xservers and changed to ':0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X vt7 -nolisten tcp' but something is still listen on that port, just as kde is 'Intialising System Services', as i monitored this with netstat -l. Any idea's? |
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01:04.05 | marcusU | Oh. KSpread looks pretty now. Much prettier the OO.org, but I'm still scared from my early experiences with KOffice. |
01:04.25 | desertfish | anyone know why knotes would segfault upon launch? |
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01:09.29 | thiago | desertfish: it shouldn't |
01:09.31 | thiago | and it doesn't here |
01:11.25 | mobtek | marcusU: yeah kspread is rather nice now :) |
01:12.15 | marcusU | mobtek: I just had a lot of early experiences with crashing in KSpread. And I had some frightening problems where the only copy of my document was in KWord, and KWord refused to print because of some stray formatting or Qt-Postscript problems. |
01:12.28 | mobtek | heh |
01:13.22 | smt_ | I still don't think koffice can be considered 1.0-ware, but certain parts of it are becoming very nice now |
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01:14.03 | sirReal | erm, i've attempted to sign up twice to bugs.kde.org and i've never gotten the mail |
01:14.18 | smt_ | sirReal: weird |
01:14.26 | smt_ | sirReal: it should send you an email immediately |
01:14.44 | sirReal | smt_: i know... and my email isn't borked |
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01:15.30 | sirReal | ie, i'm on 10ish mailing lists |
01:15.33 | smt_ | hmm.. weird, I changed my email earlier on b.k.o and it worked |
01:15.42 | smt_ | earlier today, rather |
01:16.05 | sirReal | i tried once about 3mo ago, and again last week |
01:16.17 | sirReal | i'd really like to report some bugs :\ |
01:16.46 | smt_ | hmm.. try making a yahoo account, logging in, and changing your email from within bugzilla |
01:16.47 | smt_ | :) |
01:17.07 | sirReal | bah don't you have to give them tons of info? |
01:17.21 | sirReal | actually i do have a few accounts. lemme try with another. |
01:17.27 | smt_ | doesn't mean it has to be real :-) |
01:17.38 | smt_ | you're only going to use it once ;) |
01:17.46 | sirReal | hehe |
01:18.19 | sirReal | man i dislike bugzilla quite a lot |
01:18.46 | sirReal | i wish b.k.o used debbugs :) |
01:18.51 | smt_ | have you tried any non-kde bugzilla's? they are so much worse :) |
01:19.01 | smt_ | than kde's at least |
01:19.08 | smt_ | yeah, b.k.o used to use debbugs |
01:19.14 | sirReal | yeah but what is this 'search only' crap |
01:19.25 | smt_ | erm? |
01:19.33 | sirReal | there must be *trillions* of duplicate reports :) |
01:20.10 | smt_ | it automatically searches while submitting bugs |
01:20.31 | smt_ | and people with bug-commiting access can automatically search for dups |
01:20.40 | sirReal | well i still see all the dupes |
01:20.42 | marcusU | At some people, do the bug reports just get thrown out? |
01:20.50 | marcusU | I mean, there are lot of bug reports from KDE 2.x |
01:21.06 | smt_ | marcusU: if they aren't valid with current versions of kde, they get resolved |
01:21.11 | smt_ | marcusU: however, many are still valid |
01:21.13 | sirReal | i really like debbugs' interface a lot better |
01:21.17 | smt_ | sirReal: bug numbers? :) |
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01:21.44 | sirReal | smt_: that, package-based organization, and that i can modify them easily |
01:22.04 | sirReal | and they get archived after some time being close |
01:22.20 | sirReal | closed... but they do show for a couple weeks after they're closed |
01:22.34 | smt_ | sirReal: that is probably not something we'd want with kde, I think |
01:22.43 | smt_ | sirReal: since a lot of old bugs are in fact, valid |
01:23.04 | sirReal | smt_: unless they're closed, why is that a problem? |
01:23.15 | sirReal | smt_: and if they are, they shouldn't be |
01:23.33 | smt_ | yeah, that's what I mean |
01:23.40 | smt_ | non-resolved bugs that are valid :) |
01:24.22 | smt_ | what we probably need is more people looking for dups and such |
01:24.46 | sirReal | hmm... well, kde's bugzilla by default shows even resolved bugs, and debbugs shows all open and some recently-closed bugs. |
01:24.56 | sirReal | (but not long-resolved ones) |
01:25.13 | smt_ | ah, I don't think you've seen the interface after logging in, have you? |
01:25.25 | sirReal | i'm logged in now actually |
01:25.33 | smt_ | ah |
01:26.35 | smt_ | hmm.. if you disagree with that default behavior, I'm sure it can be changed.. perhaps something for discussion with the bugzilla maintainers |
01:27.31 | sirReal | well if they moved *away* from debbugs, that's a fundamental interface decision that's opposite to what i prefer, at least given the two to choose from |
01:27.44 | sirReal | i doubt i'd have much succes :) |
01:28.05 | smt_ | ah, I'm talking about bugzilla's behavior :) |
01:29.14 | smt_ | the discussions about why kde moved away from debbugs are still on the mailing lists.. I don't remember anything about the discussion however :) |
01:29.56 | smt_ | http://lists.kde.org/?t=102966888800001&r=3&w=2 |
01:29.58 | smt_ | there we go :) |
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01:32.29 | sirReal | i guess debbugs is more designed for something split up into smaller, saner packages than kde |
01:32.42 | chendo | i want it to go back to the last entry in a playlist if i go back on the first entry |
01:33.09 | sirReal | write a patch ;P |
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01:37.18 | smt_ | sirReal: have you looked at bzilla's products/components section? |
01:37.19 | smt_ | er |
01:37.21 | smt_ | features |
01:37.40 | sirReal | smt_: where's that? |
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01:38.38 | smt_ | http://bugs.kde.org/component-report.cgi?severity=1 |
01:40.53 | sirReal | ah i see |
01:40.59 | sirReal | yeah that;s what i want |
01:41.36 | sirReal | except tables this long are irritating :( |
01:41.55 | sirReal | there should be individual pages for components as well imo |
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01:45.50 | teatime|afk | sirReal: there are |
01:46.30 | sirReal | teatime|afk: hmm well there are no links for them on the "component report" page |
01:46.44 | teatime|afk | http://bugs.kde.org/component-report.cgi?product=kedit |
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01:49.46 | sirReal | ok, how did you find that? are we just supposed to hack urls until we get it? |
01:51.09 | teatime|afk | no idea where/when I learned that |
01:51.22 | teatime|afk | I use it frequently for kdevelop though |
01:51.45 | sirReal | ok, i'm filing a wishlist bug on the bugs.kde.org component :) |
01:51.52 | teatime|afk | :) |
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01:53.39 | Mully | is there a bug in the kopete gpg plugin? It doesn't accept the password when decrypting message |
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02:06.41 | Infohawk | Do 3.1 themes work w/ 3.2? |
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02:09.19 | sirReal | Infohawk: what kind of 'themes'? |
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02:10.26 | argonel | can someone tell me what the default keybinding is for opening the k menu? my mouse isn't sending clicks any more |
02:10.40 | sirReal | alt-f1 |
02:10.50 | argonel | thank you :) |
02:10.53 | sirReal | np :) |
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02:12.17 | jh_mobile | Anybody had a problem with KDM logins suddenly failing? |
02:12.28 | argonel | definately a bug in konqueror |
02:13.29 | argonel | jh_mobile: all the time with 3.1 |
02:15.21 | Infohawk | sirReal, Sorry, I should have specified they are kde "styles" |
02:16.24 | sirReal | Infohawk: with a recompile, most likely. but not the other way around afaik |
02:18.23 | Infohawk | sirReal, thanks for the info |
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02:19.05 | sirReal | no prob |
02:19.53 | jh_mobile | argonel: I'm on 3.2.1, and I've had two systems where one user suddenly couldn't log in on KDM. I had to kill the account on the first one. I'd like to save it on the second. |
02:20.02 | glass-eye | is there a better channel to ask development questions? |
02:20.22 | jh_mobile | I've deleted everyting in ~/.kde, /tmp, and /var/tmp. Any other suggestions? |
02:20.34 | jh_mobile | glass-eye: Better than what for which? |
02:21.19 | glass-eye | jh_mobile: better than this? i was wondering if this was just a help channel for kde users, and if so, if there was another channel for kde app development questions |
02:21.55 | argonel | jh_mobile: what happens when you try to log in? |
02:22.04 | jh_mobile | Some of the developers hang here, particularly during daytime/early evening in Germany. |
02:22.15 | jh_mobile | argonel: It just cycles back to the greeter. |
02:22.31 | argonel | jh_mobile: errors in /var/log/kdm.log? |
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02:24.01 | jh_mobile | argonel: This might be relevant: AUDIT: Sat Apr 17 19:57:45 2004: 3808 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
02:24.02 | jh_mobile | <PROTECTED> |
02:24.18 | jh_mobile | No clue WTF it means. |
02:24.22 | jh_mobile | I could restart... |
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02:31.22 | grepper | jh_mobile: you could try removing ~/.ICEauthority and ~/.Xauthority |
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02:37.18 | sirReal | i want kdm to evaluate my ~/.xsession... is this possible? |
02:41.22 | chendo | ew, KDM :/ |
02:42.04 | Triskelios | sirReal: edit the Xsession script it uses |
02:43.18 | sirReal | chendo: yeah, i just don't want gnome installed if it won't even work :) |
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02:44.20 | chendo | oh well, bad luck then ;p |
02:44.22 | chendo | works for me ;o |
02:47.21 | argonel | sirReal: http://neon.polkaroo.net/~mhoye/blarg/archives/001645.php |
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02:54.57 | ironfroggy | is it possible in KWord to apply some sort of notes to pages/paragraphs/selections-of-text? |
02:55.12 | sirReal | argonel: thanks, it worked, but i wonder if it will run things twice when i use startx |
02:55.36 | argonel | would startx do the run parts? |
02:59.28 | jh_mobile | grepper |
02:59.38 | jh_mobile | grepper: I'll try that. |
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03:04.29 | kayali | hi |
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03:05.41 | mbuf | i closed the kmix menu somehow, can anyone tell me how to restore it back ? also how do i set volume in arts |
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03:09.18 | Jondo | Hi, trying to compile kdepim: calendarview.cpp:771: error: `todoView' undeclared (first use this function) |