| 00:00.52 | annma | let me look |
| 00:02.15 | NeoSadist | this is in debian testing by the way, but it's koffice 1.3, not a development version of koffice |
| 00:02.34 | annma | I cannot open kword... |
| 00:02.44 | annma | I am on CVS HEAD |
| 00:03.11 | annma | maybe my compile was incomplete, I remember there was a problem |
| 00:03.21 | annma | you can go to #koffice in fact |
| 00:03.25 | annma | and ask there |
| 00:03.42 | NeoSadist | thanx |
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| 00:15.43 | mathieu_ | hi |
| 00:15.49 | annma | hi! |
| 00:15.55 | illogic-al | Hello. |
| 00:16.07 | annma | you're in MOntreal, mathieu_? |
| 00:16.16 | mathieu_ | annma, yes |
| 00:16.30 | mathieu_ | you too ? |
| 00:16.33 | annma | :) I am near, on the Rive Nord |
| 00:17.00 | mathieu_ | how do you know i m from montreal ? |
| 00:17.33 | mathieu_ | anyway, |
| 00:17.38 | annma | ~mathieu@136.30.internet.uqam.ca |
| 00:17.42 | annma | uqam |
| 00:17.44 | annma | :) |
| 00:17.48 | mathieu_ | i should have guessed |
| 00:17.56 | annma | ;-) |
| 00:18.32 | annma | what's up eith your KDE? |
| 00:18.33 | mathieu_ | i d like to know if it s possible to display only the applications icons in the task bar, |
| 00:18.37 | annma | eith/with |
| 00:18.50 | mathieu_ | instead of having the whole application name |
| 00:19.35 | Mias | re, can u tell me why gnome-control-center influences my kde- fontsizes? |
| 00:19.42 | illogic-al | mathieu_: You could try kasbar, but that is not in the taskbar |
| 00:19.45 | Dhraakellian | mathieu_: if you don't mind using a separate panel, kasbar is nice |
| 00:19.52 | illogic-al | It's a separate panel altogether. |
| 00:19.58 | Dhraakellian | and the "taskbar" is not the same as the "panel" |
| 00:20.02 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: :p |
| 00:20.06 | Dhraakellian | the taskbar is a kicker applet |
| 00:20.16 | illogic-al | lol |
| 00:20.43 | illogic-al | Mias: not I. |
| 00:21.01 | annma | Mias: in what apps does it do that? |
| 00:21.05 | mathieu_ | the idea would be to remove the taskbar and replace it with kasbar ? |
| 00:21.06 | Dhraakellian | Mias: are you using GTK apps under KDE? |
| 00:21.21 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: actually, the taskbar also comes in the form of an extension (aka panel)( |
| 00:21.25 | Mias | annma: in all kde apps |
| 00:21.29 | annma | mathieu_: probably |
| 00:21.34 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: right |
| 00:21.37 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: the taskbar bits were abstracted out and shared by the applet and a "panel" some time ago =) |
| 00:21.37 | Dhraakellian | that too |
| 00:21.38 | annma | Mias: how does it influence it? |
| 00:21.52 | Mias | Dhraakellian: I use gnome- apps |
| 00:21.55 | aseigo | that said.. you can always just make your taskbar really really small and then you just get icons ;-) |
| 00:22.10 | Dhraakellian | well, gnome apps take gnome/gtk settings, not KDE settings |
| 00:22.22 | annma | and KDE apps take kde settings |
| 00:22.25 | Dhraakellian | although it is possible to have KDE change some GTK settings |
| 00:22.40 | annma | Mias: what exactly happens in your kde apps? |
| 00:23.00 | Mias | annma: I have to start gnome-control-center and click on fonts and click ok so that fonts in all kde apps are not too small in later- started gnome- apps |
| 00:23.15 | Mias | after every X start |
| 00:23.29 | aseigo | "in all kde apps are not too smal in later-started gome-apps" <---what? |
| 00:23.32 | Dhraakellian | if you have gtkQt (?) installed, it'll put a GTK settings module in kcontrol, I think |
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| 00:23.43 | aseigo | in kde apps, or in Gtk apps? |
| 00:23.49 | annma | Mias: what about KControl, doesn't it fix kde apps fonts? |
| 00:23.52 | Mias | Dhraakellian: GTK settings module in kcontrol?? |
| 00:23.55 | Dhraakellian | and that has an option for telling GTK to use not only GTK colors, but fonts as well |
| 00:23.57 | Xirzon | The Kate editor just froze on me for the third or fourth time |
| 00:24.04 | Xirzon | any idea why? Can I somehow get the data which is in there (process is still alive) |
| 00:24.18 | Xirzon | I'm using KDE 3.2.2 on debian sarge fwiw |
| 00:24.19 | Mias | annma: I can set fontsizes there but this doesnt solve the problem |
| 00:24.23 | annma | Xirzon: start it in konsole and post the output of freeze |
| 00:24.24 | Dhraakellian | Mias: it doesn't work as well as something like gtk-theme-switch or gtk-chtheme |
| 00:24.29 | annma | Mias: why not? |
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| 00:24.35 | Dhraakellian | all it does is edit you .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 00:24.44 | Dhraakellian | it doesn't actually change the them in currently running apps |
| 00:24.47 | aseigo | Xirzon: as annma said, attach a gdb session to it and get a backtrace (if any).. it's likely they best you'll get =/ |
| 00:24.48 | Dhraakellian | at least afaict |
| 00:24.58 | Mias | annma: because [02:23] <Mias> annma: I have to start gnome-control-center and click on fonts and click ok so that fonts in all kde apps |
| 00:25.02 | Mias | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.04 | Mias | [02:23] <Mias> after every X start |
| 00:25.34 | annma | Mias: I don't understand what your problem is exactly, is it for kde apps uder gnome? |
| 00:25.39 | aseigo | Mias: what do you mean by "fonts in all kde apps are not too small in later-start gnome apps"? |
| 00:25.46 | annma | or gnome apps under kde? |
| 00:25.48 | Dhraakellian | Mias: run gnome-settings-daemon |
| 00:26.02 | annma | Dhraakellian: you understand the problem? |
| 00:26.13 | Mias | s/too small/too small in relative to in later- |
| 00:26.26 | Dhraakellian | I seem to recall having trouble with my FireFox menus being huge |
| 00:26.35 | Xirzon | aseigo: can I attach gdb to the running kate or do I need to restart it? because if I restart, the data is lost |
| 00:26.38 | annma | kde apps fonts are too small on kde or on Gnome???? |
| 00:26.39 | Dhraakellian | and running gnome-control-center solved the problem |
| 00:26.50 | aseigo | Xirzon: you can attach to a PID |
| 00:26.55 | Xirzon | could there be any signal I can send to kate to save the data? |
| 00:27.04 | Xirzon | kdcop freezes too if I try to communicate with it |
| 00:27.07 | Mias | Dhraakellian: mias 2156 0.0 1.3 17668 5368 ? S Aug09 0:00 /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate- |
| 00:27.07 | Dhraakellian | and I think that's because it starts up gnome-settings-daemon |
| 00:27.09 | aseigo | Xirzon: you start gdb as if you are going to debug kate.. and then attach to it |
| 00:27.22 | annma | Xirzon: what distro is that? what kde version? |
| 00:27.31 | Dhraakellian | mias: wha? |
| 00:27.32 | aseigo | Xirzon: no, there's probably nothing you can do to save it... and i wouldn't be able to suggest why it's doing that for you =/ |
| 00:27.36 | Mias | annma: on kde |
| 00:27.37 | aseigo | annma: 3.2.3 on deb |
| 00:27.45 | aseigo | er, 3.2.2 |
| 00:27.50 | Mias | Dhraakellian: gnome-settings-daemon is running here |
| 00:27.54 | annma | ohh, weird |
| 00:28.01 | Dhraakellian | and the fonts are still wrong? |
| 00:28.18 | annma | Xirzon: did you see in debian if others had this problem? I never heard of it |
| 00:28.34 | Xirzon | annma: I googled it but found nothing |
| 00:28.51 | Mias | Dhraakellian: if I don't do as described, yes |
| 00:28.57 | annma | :( no upgrade possible I suppose, Xirzon |
| 00:29.03 | Xirzon | I don't think I can handle this gdb thing .. hmz |
| 00:29.19 | Dhraakellian | so running gnome-control-center fixes it, but gnome-settings-daemon doesn't? |
| 00:29.26 | Mias | Dhraakellian: because: in case I want to start mozilla or so, the fonts are way TOOO small... |
| 00:29.54 | Mias | Dhraakellian: so it is |
| 00:30.14 | Dhraakellian | Mias: do you actually change anything in gnome-control-center when you run it? or does just running it solve things? |
| 00:30.36 | aseigo | Xirzon: gdb `which kate` |
| 00:30.50 | Mias | running the "fonts" submenu helps |
| 00:30.56 | aseigo | Xirzon: at the gdb prompt do: attach <pid> |
| 00:31.02 | Mias | but I dont change anything |
| 00:31.02 | aseigo | Xirzon: then do: bt |
| 00:31.15 | aseigo | Xirzon: then head over to debbugs .......... |
| 00:32.01 | Xirzon | ah, I get lots of stuff .. |
| 00:32.01 | Dhraakellian | Mias: try opening ksysguard (or your favorite process table viewer) and see what new processes, if any, show up when you do that |
| 00:32.13 | Mias | Dhraakellian: running gnome-contrcent alone does not |
| 00:32.30 | Mias | Dhraakellian: mompl |
| 00:32.31 | aseigo | Mias: does this happen if you run these apps outside of KDE, say in a simple window manager like fvwm2 or blackbox? |
| 00:32.35 | Xirzon | hmz |
| 00:32.39 | morker | what do i need to run gDesklets? |
| 00:32.49 | fred87 | morker, try #gnome |
| 00:32.50 | Mias | aseigo: I am using E mostly |
| 00:32.50 | morker | (on kde) |
| 00:32.58 | fred87 | python, and a *lot* of gnome-python modules |
| 00:33.02 | fred87 | morker, nothing extra |
| 00:33.09 | aseigo | Xirzon: great.. copy and paste that "lots of stuff" into a bug report along with a description of what you were doing leading up to the freezes |
| 00:33.19 | morker | this is annoying.. |
| 00:33.19 | aseigo | Mias: and does this happen in E as well then? |
| 00:33.26 | Mias | in *box its the same, and wmaker etc |
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| 00:33.32 | Omega` | Hello. |
| 00:33.39 | Mias | aseigo: yes it does |
| 00:33.39 | morker | i wish someone would come up with a unified desktop already |
| 00:33.52 | morker | i've seen a nice project somwhere, but i lost the link |
| 00:33.57 | aseigo | Mias: ok, so this isn't a KDE issue. it's safe for me to ignore this problem here then ;-) |
| 00:34.07 | fred87 | morker, gtk-qt? |
| 00:34.15 | morker | no. |
| 00:34.19 | morker | something totally new |
| 00:34.21 | aseigo | morker: we do have a unified desktop. it's called KDE. there's another one called GNOME, i hear. |
| 00:34.22 | Mias | aseigo: lol |
| 00:34.33 | Xirzon | aseigo: you don't happen to know how I could get a full memory dump? |
| 00:34.35 | morker | aseigo, i mean, there are stuff that are nice, from gnome |
| 00:34.37 | annma | morker: diversity is good |
| 00:34.38 | Mias | HELP!1¹ |
| 00:34.43 | Dhraakellian | it is possible to get GNOME/GTK and KDE/Qt apps to look similar |
| 00:34.50 | fred87 | hmm is the gtk-qt thing in kdenonbeta the same as the one on freedesktop.org ? |
| 00:34.51 | Dhraakellian | gtk-qt-engine is one way |
| 00:34.52 | aseigo | Xirzon: poke around in /dev/kmem as root? ;-) |
| 00:34.54 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: yup |
| 00:34.54 | morker | how does diversity is good? |
| 00:34.59 | morker | how is it good i mean |
| 00:35.02 | fred87 | morker, competition |
| 00:35.03 | annma | morker: freedesktop.org for unified settings and such, join |
| 00:35.22 | annma | diversity -> choice -> freedom |
| 00:35.27 | illogic-al | morker: Cause diff. people get to choose what they want. |
| 00:35.30 | aseigo | morker: look at the amazing leaps and bounds by Apple and MS in their UIs since they have started realizing there is real competition on the horizon |
| 00:35.30 | annma | unicity -> totalitarism |
| 00:35.34 | morker | like |
| 00:35.35 | fred87 | amd wjat amm,a saod |
| 00:35.39 | morker | this is not true, annma |
| 00:35.41 | fred87 | *and what annma said |
| 00:35.45 | morker | linux kernel is one and the same |
| 00:35.48 | morker | but it's modular |
| 00:35.51 | aseigo | morker: look at how much the Free software desktop has progressed, and that's in PART due to the way it works |
| 00:35.51 | annma | morker: counter-example? |
| 00:35.54 | Omega` | I switched to x-org and now my keymappings don't work anymore. |
| 00:35.55 | Dhraakellian | (thin-)keramik/(thin-)geramik, qtcurve, bluecurve, and mandrake galaxy are some other themes/styles that make them look similar |
| 00:35.55 | morker | gnome and kde are not one and the same |
| 00:35.58 | aseigo | morker: wrong. |
| 00:36.02 | morker | they are two separate things. |
| 00:36.04 | aseigo | morker: there are several Free Software kernels |
| 00:36.10 | aseigo | morker: and there are several Linux kernel branches |
| 00:36.13 | Dhraakellian | diversity also means competition |
| 00:36.15 | morker | so? |
| 00:36.16 | Omega` | #x-org seems to be asleep so I was hoping someone in here would be able to help me get my keybindings to work again. |
| 00:36.17 | annma | kernel is not alone |
| 00:36.18 | morker | it's modularity. |
| 00:36.18 | fred87 | morker, their's bsd kernels, and the hurd |
| 00:36.27 | aseigo | and yes, interop is improving a LOT with FD.o |
| 00:36.29 | morker | bsd is 100% compatible with linux? |
| 00:36.29 | annma | linux kernel, hurd, bsd |
| 00:36.36 | fred87 | morker, um linux is only the kernel |
| 00:36.37 | morker | hurd is at its infancy |
| 00:36.38 | aseigo | morker: no. but it's unix |
| 00:36.39 | annma | with kde you mean |
| 00:36.40 | fred87 | linux == the kernel |
| 00:36.43 | morker | well. |
| 00:36.45 | fred87 | nothing else |
| 00:36.52 | annma | yeah, linux is a kernel |
| 00:36.56 | aseigo | what about postgresql and mysql? |
| 00:36.57 | morker | why are you obfuscating everything |
| 00:36.57 | annma | bsd is one |
| 00:37.00 | aseigo | another great example |
| 00:37.11 | fred87 | "<fn~morker> bsd is 100% compatible with linux?" <<< that question does not make sense |
| 00:37.20 | Dhraakellian | and competition=better KDE |
| 00:37.24 | morker | the api i meant. |
| 00:37.31 | morker | what competition, there is no monetary gain |
| 00:37.35 | morker | nothing to compete for; |
| 00:37.35 | aseigo | "there can only be one" shuts one's eyes to the realities that different people have different needs, different desires and benefit from multiple experiments and (even friendly) competitoin |
| 00:37.45 | annma | choice is always freedom in evrything, morker |
| 00:37.47 | morker | there must be just one, but modular. |
| 00:37.48 | aseigo | hahahha... so, why the flame fests on the web boards all the time? |
| 00:37.49 | fred87 | morker, i think the api is pretty much there, but ABI i'm not sure about |
| 00:37.53 | aseigo | if there is nothing to compete for? |
| 00:37.55 | fred87 | morker, monetary gain isn't needed |
| 00:38.01 | fred87 | and it isn't the only thing to compete for |
| 00:38.06 | morker | monetary gain is the best motivation, really |
| 00:38.09 | aseigo | of course there is lots to compete for. technical ability, user attention, 3rd party apps... |
| 00:38.19 | aseigo | morker: oh? is that how Free software got here then? |
| 00:38.24 | fred87 | aseigo, and plain simple ego :) |
| 00:38.26 | aseigo | morker: is that what made MS Windows so good? |
| 00:38.31 | annma | lol |
| 00:38.36 | morker | money are involved here as well |
| 00:38.41 | annma | lol |
| 00:38.42 | aseigo | morker: really, don't stare at a sphere and call it a cube |
| 00:38.50 | morker | its cheaper to get free software |
| 00:38.51 | morker | that's all |
| 00:38.54 | aseigo | lol |
| 00:38.56 | morker | it's a doble-edged sword |
| 00:38.56 | fred87 | morker... |
| 00:39.01 | annma | lol @ morker |
| 00:39.07 | aseigo | ok, you go tell that to the larger companies and see if that's their #1 reasons |
| 00:39.33 | morker | well, novell and ibm are getting into linux already |
| 00:39.38 | aseigo | don't be surprised when they cite performance, security, vendor independence and a host of other non-monetary reasons |
| 00:39.38 | fred87 | morker: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ |
| 00:39.58 | aseigo | morker: right. that's because the concepts work. the concepts don't work because there is suddenly money here. |
| 00:40.06 | aseigo | morker: they are deffinitely HELPed by the introduction of these new partners |
| 00:40.24 | morker | money help big time |
| 00:40.27 | morker | don't tell me otherwise |
| 00:40.33 | aseigo | morker: and those entities are driven by financial gain for themselves, but they see opportunity for financial gain due to the non-financial aspects of Free software |
| 00:40.37 | Dhraakellian | even though I don't like Gnome all that much, I'm glad it's there |
| 00:40.41 | morker | also, competition doesn't have to make me use two sets of library for one desktop |
| 00:40.48 | Dhraakellian | because KDE devs see that people use Gnome |
| 00:40.55 | Dhraakellian | and see areas where Gnome is better |
| 00:40.57 | Xirzon | now even gdb freezes when I attach it .. sigh .. |
| 00:41.04 | aseigo | morker: you are kidding right? or do you have no idea what is under the hood of your windows desktop? |
| 00:41.09 | Dhraakellian | and get jealous that gnome devs are so successful in those areas |
| 00:41.17 | morker | aseigo: i meant toolkits |
| 00:41.17 | Dhraakellian | and they then improve KDE |
| 00:41.20 | aseigo | morker: yes, toolkits |
| 00:41.22 | morker | you know what i mean |
| 00:41.27 | aseigo | morker: you obvoiusly have no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:41.34 | aseigo | morker: there are numerous toolkits on windows |
| 00:41.38 | morker | would gnome apps run w/o gnome libraries? |
| 00:41.57 | morker | GDI is one, unified set, there is no other things windows apps need to run |
| 00:41.58 | fred87 | morker, would visual basic apps run w/o msvbvm ? |
| 00:41.58 | aseigo | morker: what you ARE observing correctly is that there is, by and large, better top-layer UI interop on win32 |
| 00:42.13 | aseigo | morker: yes, but people write using several different toolkits on win32 |
| 00:42.24 | morker | fred87: that's VB, im talking about native code |
| 00:42.29 | annma | what I wonder is why my system32 is so big in windows, morker |
| 00:42.29 | aseigo | morker: just like you could say Gtk+ and Qt both resolve to X11 calls |
| 00:42.33 | fred87 | morker: qt and GTK are both used to write windows-only applications, in native code |
| 00:42.37 | morker | of course everyone is using dlls |
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| 00:42.46 | aseigo | morker: and that matters .... how? |
| 00:42.47 | Dhraakellian | I seem to recall seeing that MS Word doesn't use the same widget style as the rest of XP |
| 00:42.52 | morker | would woud one use gtk or qt ? |
| 00:42.53 | fred87 | morker, so it's ok to use windows dlls, but not to use linux libraries? |
| 00:42.56 | annma | morker: compare the size of windows and linux and come back |
| 00:42.56 | morker | why not just settle on smth else? |
| 00:43.01 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: Office .Net, etc.. yes |
| 00:43.06 | fred87 | morker, both are good for different purposes |
| 00:43.29 | fred87 | morker, simplest example is that qt is better for c++ apps than gtk, gtk is better for c apps than qt |
| 00:43.43 | Dhraakellian | GTK is nice in that you can (relatively) easily port *nix apps to Windows, since GTK has a free version available for Windows |
| 00:43.51 | annma | and people like the 2, some prefer KDE, some prefer gnome |
| 00:43.51 | aseigo | morker: what we are working on it better interop.. and not just in surface behaviour as you see in win32 (which we've largely already accomplished with a few notable exceptions) but also right down to the file formats |
| 00:43.57 | Dhraakellian | (apps such as Gaim and xchat take advantage of that) |
| 00:44.13 | morker | sorry :) |
| 00:44.16 | annma | morker: see freedesktop.org for more on how the 2 projects work together |
| 00:44.17 | morker | i gotta go.. |
| 00:44.30 | annma | yeah, please read the links we pasted |
| 00:44.30 | morker | but thanks for answering my questions |
| 00:44.34 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: by "relatively easy" you mean "for little cash layout" assuming you are doing the work yourself =) |
| 00:44.42 | annma | you have to learn about FREEDOM |
| 00:44.56 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: I didn't say how much the "relatively" figures in |
| 00:44.56 | aseigo | annma: free-what? but how do you make MOOLAH with it? ;-) |
| 00:44.57 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 00:45.06 | annma | and you can donate to kde too if you want |
| 00:45.10 | Dhraakellian | and, no, I don't code as much as I should |
| 00:45.11 | annma | aseigo: ;) |
| 00:45.15 | fred87 | morker, buy a KDE thong :) |
| 00:45.20 | annma | lol |
| 00:45.24 | Dhraakellian | and I need to get a job so that I have money to contribute to things |
| 00:45.33 | annma | and one for your gf as well |
| 00:45.35 | aseigo | but please don't post pics. unless your very, very good looking. and even then ...... =) |
| 00:45.36 | fred87 | http://www.cafeshops.com/kde.3809064 |
| 00:45.46 | morker | kde thong.. |
| 00:45.48 | morker | ew |
| 00:45.50 | Dhraakellian | "They can patent our code, but they can never take OUR FREEDOM!" |
| 00:45.54 | morker | how gay is that |
| 00:45.54 | fred87 | lol |
| 00:46.06 | aseigo | morker: well, it's probably meant for girls =) |
| 00:46.12 | fred87 | tbh, i *really* hope for the good of mankind they aint sold any of those thongs... |
| 00:46.27 | Dhraakellian | morker: well, if you knew that a girl wore KDE underwear, would you be more likely to date her? |
| 00:46.29 | Dhraakellian | and he left |
| 00:46.40 | aseigo | ahaha... are you kidding? if a girl dropped her bottoms and she was wearing a KDE thong, i'd be totally impressed |
| 00:46.42 | fred87 | *flame |
| 00:46.49 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: answer: yes =) |
| 00:47.02 | fred87 | dhraakellian, actually yep i suppose... |
| 00:47.17 | fred87 | we all got to get out more methinks :) |
| 00:47.17 | aseigo | well... assuming she met the other usual paramaters, of course |
| 00:47.32 | Dhraakellian | actually, if a girl dropped her pants at all in front of me (with me as the intended viewer), I'd probably just stand there and blink |
| 00:47.42 | fred87 | aseigo, "can play quake"? |
| 00:47.56 | aseigo | annma: would it be a "turn on" if your S.O. wore KDE boxers? |
| 00:48.00 | aseigo | heh |
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| 00:48.09 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: lol |
| 00:48.41 | fred87 | i'd probably think i was hallucinating |
| 00:48.45 | fred87 | i'd go see a doctor |
| 00:49.22 | aseigo | hmmmmm... ok. you guys do need to get out more =) |
| 00:49.32 | Dhraakellian | "out?" |
| 00:49.35 | Dhraakellian | what's that? |
| 00:49.36 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 00:49.47 | fred87 | :O natural light?! noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:49.51 | Dhraakellian | the legendary big blue room? |
| 00:50.32 | Xirzon | /dev/mem is pretty useful .. I managed to retrieve my data |
| 00:50.40 | aseigo | woop |
| 00:50.52 | Dhraakellian | woowhom! |
| 00:50.58 | activelow | can someone help me add a ftp site in the network quickbar of konq? |
| 00:51.06 | illogic-al | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.17 | aseigo | activelow: ick.. it's not so easy. that thing really sucks. |
| 00:51.34 | aseigo | (unless it's changed since the last time i tried anything with it ;) |
| 00:51.48 | Dhraakellian | is it possible in Konqueror to have different toolbar setups for each view profile? |
| 00:51.55 | illogic-al | aseigo: I just drag urls in there. |
| 00:52.14 | illogic-al | um activelow I just drag urls in there |
| 00:52.19 | fred87 | hmm in KDE CVS is it possible to get the large icons in the pannel in the open and save as dialogs? |
| 00:52.20 | activelow | aseigo: I know.. it looks handy, but not so easy... |
| 00:52.29 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al: ah, the wonders of tab-completion? |
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| 00:52.39 | aseigo | illogic-al: aaaaahah.. that actually works now... sweet... |
| 00:52.46 | illogic-al | ;) |
| 00:53.11 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: i meant to beep aseigo, just forgot activelow too :) |
| 00:53.14 | activelow | in the ftp archives dir I try edit/createnew/file/link to location but go |
| 00:53.14 | aseigo | still buggy as hell, but hey, DnD works now |
| 00:53.14 | `Kaspar | hi, I just tried switching icon themes and now I dont have a single icon working |
| 00:53.29 | `Kaspar | anyone could help me? any help would be appreciated |
| 00:53.31 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: yes it is.. in 3.3 |
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| 00:53.54 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 00:53.56 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: still pretty new code though and i've managed to press it to its limits once or twice already |
| 00:54.02 | aseigo | but.. yes.. it is possible.. |
| 00:54.19 | aseigo | `Kaspar: can you go in and switch back? |
| 00:54.23 | illogic-al | `Kaspar: select the default icons again? |
| 00:54.35 | `Kaspar | doesn't work |
| 00:54.36 | aseigo | oh. hey. what do you know. i already have the network sidebar on my list. heh. |
| 00:54.52 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: nice |
| 00:55.01 | `Kaspar | somehow my icons folder don't have the index.theme or something like that anymore |
| 00:55.14 | Dhraakellian | now for the semi-lazy person to wait for 3.3 to hit portage in some manner |
| 00:55.29 | aseigo | `Kaspar: ew. odd question: are you logged in as root? |
| 00:55.37 | `Kaspar | not now |
| 00:55.37 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: ah.. a gentoo'er |
| 00:55.46 | aseigo | `Kaspar: when you changed the icon theme? |
| 00:55.57 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: yeah... I think even ~x86 is still mostly 3.2.3 |
| 00:56.04 | `Kaspar | thing is I installed crystal svg from the everaldo site, only to find out it was the same version I had |
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| 00:56.29 | activelow | illogic-al, drag and drop seems to work, pity there's no easy way to add one without a link |
| 00:56.38 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: there's a 3.3beta-something emerge script IIRC |
| 00:56.52 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 00:57.05 | `Kaspar | then I changed permission in opt/kde/share/icons so I removed one of the crystal svg themes |
| 00:57.13 | Dhraakellian | actually... trying to remember what I saw on packages.gentoo.org the other day |
| 00:57.13 | aseigo | activelow: yeah... and when you drop something there the tree collapses if you have it expanded... and you can't add to subfolders... and... =/ |
| 00:57.20 | Paleo | is there a way to tell kopete that pressing Enter mean Sending the message ? ;P |
| 00:57.23 | `Kaspar | then when I wanted to try another one I just lost all icons |
| 00:57.28 | Dhraakellian | it might have been a mixture of 3.2.3, betas, and RC1 |
| 00:57.46 | aseigo | `Kaspar: well.. you could always just re-install kdelibs which have the default icons in it.. |
| 00:58.02 | `Kaspar | hmm |
| 00:58.21 | aseigo | `Kaspar: e.g. if on a rpm based distro do a "rpm -Uvh --force kdelibs<blahblahblah>rpm" |
| 00:58.31 | `Kaspar | I'm running Slackware |
| 00:58.39 | aseigo | even easier then =0 |
| 00:59.01 | fred87 | installpkg kdelibs-3.X.X-i586-1.tgz |
| 00:59.07 | fred87 | from the disc :) |
| 01:00.13 | Dhraakellian | okay, beta2 appears to be ~x86 |
| 01:00.18 | mathieu_ | hi |
| 01:00.33 | `Kaspar | hmm I need slapt-get for that right? |
| 01:00.46 | mathieu_ | i have launched kasbar and it seems nice |
| 01:00.51 | fred87 | kaspar :O no!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 01:01.13 | Dhraakellian | beta1 and RC1 appear to be hardmasked for x86 |
| 01:01.22 | Dhraakellian | mathieu_: nice |
| 01:01.27 | fred87 | you just need "installpkg" (part of pkgtool) and your disc |
| 01:01.30 | fred87 | disc(S) |
| 01:01.39 | mathieu_ | but i d like to have kasbar and the rest at the bottom of the screen |
| 01:01.46 | `Kaspar | installpkg doesnt seem to be recognized as a command hehe |
| 01:01.48 | mathieu_ | i mean on the same line |
| 01:01.48 | `Kaspar | oh |
| 01:01.54 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 01:01.54 | mathieu_ | is it possible ? |
| 01:02.14 | aseigo | not currently no |
| 01:02.16 | Dhraakellian | release date for 3.3 final is, what? the 18th? |
| 01:02.19 | aseigo | one day =) |
| 01:02.23 | illogic-al | activelow: try a .desktop link |
| 01:02.23 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: something like that. |
| 01:02.24 | fred87 | kaspar, are you root? |
| 01:02.27 | illogic-al | and drag that in |
| 01:02.28 | `Kaspar | not now |
| 01:02.36 | Dhraakellian | so, allowing a day for it to hit portage |
| 01:02.40 | fred87 | you need to be root for installpkg |
| 01:02.48 | aseigo | or just go the website and drag the icon in the location bar =) |
| 01:02.58 | aseigo | er, s/website/network site/ |
| 01:03.01 | `Kaspar | oh ok I'll su root then |
| 01:03.01 | Dhraakellian | so, should I upgrade to beta2 now or wait for final? |
| 01:03.12 | aseigo | we're already onto rc's... |
| 01:03.18 | aseigo | and i'd just wait for the final. |
| 01:03.22 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: RC1 is hardmasked |
| 01:03.34 | mathieu_ | when i try to put kasbar at the bottom of the screen, it always stays above the clock, i can t put it on the same line |
| 01:03.40 | aseigo | well, yes. showstoppers discovered. rc2 is on the way =) |
| 01:03.57 | aseigo | mathieu_: yes... you can't do that right now.. kicker needs better netwm strut handling support |
| 01:04.22 | mathieu_ | ho, too bad. |
| 01:04.41 | aseigo | yeah... it'll be better in kde3 |
| 01:04.43 | aseigo | er, kde4 |
| 01:04.56 | mathieu_ | i think superkaramba would be a good solution, no ? |
| 01:05.01 | aseigo | no |
| 01:05.11 | activelow | illogic-al, creating a desktop link works |
| 01:05.17 | aseigo | it's a resource pig and sits on the desktop (e.g. below windows) |
| 01:05.26 | illogic-al | activelow: thought it would |
| 01:05.39 | mathieu_ | aseigo: what do you mean ? |
| 01:05.54 | illogic-al | activelow: still a lot of work. would've been easier for you to just type the addresss into the bar :) |
| 01:06.20 | aseigo | i mean that superkaramba uses too many resources and has logistical issues with window managements |
| 01:06.22 | aseigo | er, management |
| 01:06.40 | Dhraakellian | it occurs to me that I should probably wait until 3.3 before I try moving to Konqueror as both webbrowser and file manager |
| 01:06.46 | activelow | illogic-al, Yeah, I just thought it would be nice to have the 9-10 ftp sites I use in there so I could ditch my ftp program. |
| 01:06.49 | Dhraakellian | I've been using Firefox and Krusader |
| 01:07.10 | annma | Dhraakellian: why? I am happy with konq |
| 01:07.19 | aseigo | activelow: log into the ftp site, drag that little icon on the left in the location bar .. |
| 01:07.20 | illogic-al | activelow: well it's not meant to be an FTP replacement |
| 01:07.23 | Dhraakellian | mathieu_: allow other things to cover kasbar? |
| 01:07.33 | mathieu_ | aseigo: ive heard that problems such as windows overlap where fixed in karamba 0.34 |
| 01:07.36 | aseigo | activelow: that works not bad |
| 01:07.42 | illogic-al | I bet your that with a proper FTP client your transfers will be faster |
| 01:07.54 | aseigo | mathieu_: oh? so they can do proper "always on top of everything else on the desktop" now? |
| 01:07.55 | Dhraakellian | annma: little things like having all the navigation buttons on the same line as the location bar |
| 01:08.02 | Dhraakellian | in webbrowsing mode |
| 01:08.03 | activelow | illogic-al, I cant rename the link I drag over though, at least I cant find a way |
| 01:08.10 | Dhraakellian | and not in file management |
| 01:08.16 | mathieu_ | aseigo: i think, but i m not sure |
| 01:08.21 | illogic-al | activelow: right click on the name :) |
| 01:08.25 | mathieu_ | only in 0.34 |
| 01:08.32 | Dhraakellian | I think it was mentioned earlier that that's possible in 3.3 |
| 01:08.34 | aseigo | illogic-al: dunno.. i routinely get bandwidth max'd out down/uploads through konqi these days |
| 01:08.49 | annma | Dhraakellian: does not quite matter for me, I find konq so much faster than ff |
| 01:09.01 | aseigo | illogic-al: directory listings might be faster in a pure ftp app if it doesn't do any fancy icon stuff, etc... |
| 01:09.14 | mathieu_ | Dhraakellian, what do you mean ? Is there an option to allow other things to cover kasbar ? |
| 01:09.23 | Dhraakellian | annma: and Firefox would probably be faster for me without all the nifty extensions |
| 01:09.26 | aseigo | illogic-al: but i find konqi to be a fine ftp client, aside from the session management |
| 01:09.35 | illogic-al | aseigo: using kget integration? |
| 01:09.42 | aseigo | nah.. |
| 01:09.46 | Dhraakellian | I've been using Konq almost exclusively for webbrowsing for the past couple days |
| 01:09.59 | Dhraakellian | (since FF was getting persnickity at me) |
| 01:10.13 | illogic-al | last time I tried to use konq as FTP clinet was about a year ago |
| 01:10.29 | aseigo | things have come a long way =) |
| 01:10.46 | Dhraakellian | there are some things I miss (mostly stuff from extensions like TBE or some features in allinone gestures that KHotKeys doesn't have) |
| 01:10.47 | activelow | illogic-al, what option? with the link on the right selected and doing a f2 (rename) it wants to rename the first entry on the left |
| 01:10.54 | Dhraakellian | but Konq is quite usable |
| 01:11.03 | mathieu_ | Dhraakellian, thanks, that was the answer to my question |
| 01:11.05 | aseigo | it's fun to know that Qt4 is going to provide another speed bump in a lot of things as well... |
| 01:11.12 | aseigo | TBE? |
| 01:11.24 | illogic-al | activelow: right click on the link you just dragged in |
| 01:11.31 | Dhraakellian | mathieu_: there's an option in the panel config |
| 01:11.35 | illogic-al | then select the rename option |
| 01:11.38 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: tabbrowser extensions |
| 01:11.51 | activelow | illogic-al, I dont have a rename option |
| 01:11.51 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: ah... what about them do you miss? |
| 01:12.00 | Dhraakellian | I've seen it accused of being bloat, but I do use many of its features, so it's worth it for me |
| 01:12.06 | illogic-al | activelow: must be a 3.3 thing then |
| 01:12.14 | Dhraakellian | drag-and-drop tab reordering, tab groups, undo close tab |
| 01:12.28 | activelow | illogic-al, ok I'm compiling 3.3 rc-1 right now... will check it out... is that what you are running? |
| 01:12.31 | mathieu_ | Dhraakellian, ok, that s exactly what i needed. thanks for your help |
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| 01:12.33 | Dhraakellian | as for mouse gestures, I miss the rocker gestures |
| 01:12.33 | illogic-al | aseigo: hovering over a tab can raise it. |
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| 01:12.59 | piratePenguin | Whats the latest version of KDE? |
| 01:13.01 | illogic-al | activelow: i'm running a slightly dated cvs build |
| 01:13.01 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: ah... DnD in konqi lets you move URLs around, not the tabs.. you can move tabs around with Ctrl-Shift-Left/Right though |
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| 01:13.10 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: thanks |
| 01:13.15 | `Kaspar | it worked :) thanks a lot! |
| 01:13.21 | aseigo | piratePenguin: last stable is 3.2.5, last devel is 3.3rc1 |
| 01:13.22 | Dhraakellian | (woowhom and such !;) { |
| 01:13.26 | Dhraakellian | )* |
| 01:13.43 | Dhraakellian | 3.2.5+ |
| 01:13.48 | illogic-al | 3.2.5? |
| 01:13.49 | Dhraakellian | ?* |
| 01:13.55 | Dhraakellian | tupos ate bell~ |
| 01:13.57 | illogic-al | when's that get released? |
| 01:14.05 | Dhraakellian | s/~/!/ |
| 01:14.09 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: tab groups... is that to do with bookmarking or? |
| 01:14.24 | aseigo | close tab undo is pretty cool sounding, thoug =) |
| 01:14.33 | Dhraakellian | yes, undo close tab is nice |
| 01:14.46 | Dhraakellian | tab grouping lets you group certain tabs together |
| 01:14.59 | illogic-al | Auto raising tabs on hover is nice too :) |
| 01:15.20 | aseigo | illogic-al: perhaps... would annoy me, but i can see how some would like it =) |
| 01:15.21 | Dhraakellian | the tabs have different colors in the tabbar |
| 01:15.23 | illogic-al | Konq has tab grouping for bookmarks |
| 01:15.26 | piratePenguin | aseigo: thanks.. I'm on 3.2.3 and my PC run's slow sometimes.. I don't know if it's KDE, X, or what.. But, would there be much point in upgrading to the latest stable version? |
| 01:15.43 | aseigo | piratePenguin: wait two weeks and grab 3.3 =) |
| 01:15.46 | illogic-al | aseigo: it does annoy me unless the timing is just right. |
| 01:15.58 | aseigo | piratePenguin: what processor and how much ram do you have? and what OS are you running? |
| 01:16.01 | Dhraakellian | and closing tabs will focus to the nearest tab in the same group if the tab is the last in that group |
| 01:16.14 | Dhraakellian | (well, that probably depends on how you have it set) |
| 01:16.25 | piratePenguin | aseigo: 256mb PC2100 ram, AMD Athlon XP 2600+ |
| 01:16.27 | aseigo | hmm... yeah, all stuff for people way more hardcore into tabs than i am |
| 01:16.38 | aseigo | i just like that i can move 'em around, DnD urls, easily create new ones, etc.. =) |
| 01:16.39 | piratePenguin | aseigo: Running Slackware 10 |
| 01:17.07 | aseigo | piratePenguin: have you looked at what's consuming resources when things get slow? hitting Clt-Esc brings up a process table in KDE |
| 01:17.45 | annma | piratePenguin: should not be slow on those specs |
| 01:18.34 | piratePenguin | aseigo: It only runs slow sometimes.. When I start programs mainly.. But the next time it does run slow I will try that.. thanks |
| 01:19.15 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: and yes, grouping also lets you bookmark only the tabs in th e group instead of all the tabs in the tabbar |
| 01:19.34 | Dhraakellian | How does 3.3 compare to 3.2.x in terms of speed, btw+? |
| 01:19.44 | Dhraakellian | (and again, tupos ate bell) |
| 01:20.32 | Dhraakellian | since I don't think I've heard too much about it, I'm assuming that there isn't as much difference as there was between 3.1.x and 3.2.x |
| 01:21.07 | Dhraakellian | (although my speed improvement between 3.1.x and 3.2.x was more due to hardware and kernel changes than KDE versions) |
| 01:21.58 | piratePenguin | how big approx would the v3.3 source code be? |
| 01:22.50 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: don't know about in comparison to 3.1->3.2, but there are speeds up... |
| 01:25.31 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 01:25.38 | Dhraakellian | 10 days... |
| 01:26.33 | Dhraakellian | well, I think 3.2.3 was the first KDE version on this box for which I actually waited for it to hit x86 instead of ~x86 |
| 01:28.34 | Omega` | I'm still screwing around with my key settings. |
| 01:28.47 | aseigo | piratePenguin: altogether? quite a bit... my build area for all of kdecvs (not including i18n) takes ~ 2.4GB with .o's,etc |
| 01:29.02 | Omega` | I managed to get my euro char by using "xmodmap -e 'keycode 113 = Mode_switch'" |
| 01:29.14 | Omega` | But now the others don't work. |
| 01:29.14 | aseigo | oops... talk about lag.. haha |
| 01:29.46 | Dhraakellian | woah |
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| 01:45.24 | illogic-al | talk talk talk talk talk |
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| 01:45.39 | Dhraakellian | why should we? |
| 01:45.49 | illogic-al | indeed |
| 01:46.09 | illogic-al | Typing's the only thing of any consequence here :) |
| 01:52.50 | raela | I could talk but not about kde problems |
| 01:55.24 | Dhraakellian | any KDE wishes about which you could talk? |
| 01:56.00 | raela | a media player to play .avi's and maybe .mov's with sound? :P |
| 01:56.04 | raela | that works with kde! |
| 01:56.18 | Dhraakellian | kplayer, kaffiene |
| 01:56.24 | Dhraakellian | spelled correctly |
| 01:56.30 | Dhraakellian | kmplayer |
| 01:56.33 | Dhraakellian | aviplay |
| 01:56.41 | raela | easy to compile? |
| 01:57.09 | Dhraakellian | the first three are frontends for mplayer, xine, and mplayer and/or xine respectively |
| 01:57.34 | raela | I have xine but sound doesn't work |
| 01:58.02 | Dhraakellian | on a gentoo system, yes. I don't know what, if any, trouble there would be with the traditional './configure && make && make install' |
| 01:58.21 | raela | errors make it hard :P |
| 01:58.37 | raela | <- slack |
| 01:58.53 | Dhraakellian | of the three, I'd recommend kplayer in terms of interface |
| 01:59.15 | Dhraakellian | kplayer doesn't do xine afaik, but it's a lot more stable than kaffeine |
| 01:59.37 | Dhraakellian | and has a better interface (IMHO) than kmplayer |
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| 02:01.46 | athoslnx | sorry i ave a debian... |
| 02:02.00 | raela | I'll try if tomorrow then.. gonna watch a movie I rented |
| 02:02.03 | athoslnx | for install kde from atp ? |
| 02:02.04 | raela | *it |
| 02:02.05 | illogic-al | Anyone using KDE from CVS or one of the RCs? |
| 02:02.15 | annma | me |
| 02:02.16 | Dhraakellian | raela: if you're watching DVDs, you probably want xine |
| 02:02.18 | annma | CVS HEAD |
| 02:02.19 | illogic-al | er, _the_ RC rather |
| 02:02.23 | raela | CVS doesn't like me :/ |
| 02:02.35 | athoslnx | i am italian don't speeck english! |
| 02:02.36 | illogic-al | annma: Cool. Wanna test something for me? |
| 02:02.41 | annma | sure, illogic-al |
| 02:02.44 | Dhraakellian | since mplayer doesn't do DVD menus |
| 02:03.10 | illogic-al | annma: Enable the Dictionary applet in Kicker |
| 02:03.24 | raela | Dhraakellian: ah, nah, I have an avi I want to watch, I have an actual dvd player next to me :P |
| 02:03.24 | illogic-al | annma: then highlight a word and choose c |
| 02:03.36 | athoslnx | i ave ... the string in apt config: deb ftp://mi.mirror.garr.it/pub/mirrors/KDE/stable/3.2.2/Debian stable main |
| 02:03.36 | illogic-al | not any of the other options, just c |
| 02:03.42 | raela | my cd player doesn't even work |
| 02:03.59 | Dhraakellian | I think aviplay should work |
| 02:04.13 | Dhraakellian | I believe it's written with Qt |
| 02:04.15 | athoslnx | help me please! |
| 02:04.21 | Dhraakellian | not sure if it uses arts and/or KDE libs |
| 02:04.46 | athoslnx | file:/etc/apt/sources.list write mi de string for the config! |
| 02:04.57 | athoslnx | file:/etc/apt/sources.list write mi the string for the config! |
| 02:05.04 | illogic-al | athoslnx: stop. |
| 02:05.11 | athoslnx | sorry! |
| 02:05.12 | illogic-al | if someone can help they will. |
| 02:05.19 | raela | hmmm where did I put the dvd case |
| 02:05.52 | annma | illogic-al: brings the definition but nothing in it |
| 02:06.25 | annma | I am in french though but I tried a french word and an english one |
| 02:07.15 | annma | no, it works now |
| 02:07.34 | annma | whatshould happen, illogic-al? |
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| 02:11.16 | illogic-al | annma, sorry |
| 02:11.24 | illogic-al | Computer Froze |
| 02:11.44 | illogic-al | annma, kdict didn't crash for you? |
| 02:11.51 | annma | no, not at all |
| 02:11.57 | annma | HEAD yesterday |
| 02:12.05 | illogic-al | if you ah. |
| 02:12.17 | annma | I highlight the word |
| 02:12.21 | illogic-al | guess i need someone with BRANCH or RC1 |
| 02:12.23 | annma | then I click c |
| 02:12.39 | annma | hmm, was there any commits on it since RC1? |
| 02:12.41 | illogic-al | Thanks anyway. |
| 02:12.57 | illogic-al | I've no clue. |
| 02:12.58 | annma | it's quite RC1 |
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| 02:13.24 | annma | there's a highlight bug but in khtml |
| 02:13.27 | illogic-al | crap CPU is still being overworked |
| 02:13.29 | illogic-al | brb |
| 02:13.35 | CVirus | what is the name of the KDE Window Manager ? |
| 02:13.39 | illogic-al | woah. |
| 02:13.58 | illogic-al | it was the Dr Konqui that caused it o_0 |
| 02:14.27 | CVirus | what is the name of the KDE Window Manager ? |
| 02:14.34 | illogic-al | CVirus, kwin |
| 02:14.39 | CVirus | thanks |
| 02:14.41 | illogic-al | back to konversation... |
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| 02:59.38 | patrick_ | anyone knows if theres a kde torrent client... azureus keeps dying on me.. |
| 02:59.46 | fred87 | kmldonkey |
| 02:59.49 | fred87 | needs mldonkey |
| 03:01.40 | patrick_ | thanks |
| 03:01.47 | patrick_ | i didnt know kmldonkey did torrent |
| 03:02.02 | illogic-al | fred87: is it as good as azureus? |
| 03:02.09 | fred87 | nope |
| 03:02.15 | fred87 | but aint stuck to bt |
| 03:02.22 | fred87 | gah! i'm not sure if it does bt |
| 03:02.40 | fred87 | and azureus will setup your port forwarding for you if you have a router :) |
| 03:03.58 | Triskelios | there's also qtorrent |
| 03:05.15 | wnorrix | any idea when kivio will able to export documents |
| 03:05.19 | grepper | I've only ever used the bittornado gui |
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| 03:08.40 | Dhraakellian | patrick_: qtorrent |
| 03:08.50 | Dhraakellian | patrick_: do you use gtk-qt? |
| 03:09.36 | Dhraakellian | because I've found that gtk-qt causes azureus to choke on my system |
| 03:09.52 | Dhraakellian | my work-around is as follows |
| 03:09.59 | wnorrix | gtk-qt? |
| 03:10.21 | Dhraakellian | set GTK theme to gtk-qt so that other apps can use it |
| 03:10.34 | wnorrix | url |
| 03:11.01 | Dhraakellian | edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0 so that newly opened apps will use a different theme |
| 03:11.06 | Dhraakellian | start azureus |
| 03:11.33 | Dhraakellian | reedit .gtkrc-2.0 so that any further gtk apps will use gtk-qt |
| 03:12.03 | Dhraakellian | wnorrix: it's a GTK theme engine that uses Qt functions to draw GTK widgets |
| 03:12.06 | fred87 | or on newer gtk-qt, use the kde control panel gtk theme chooser |
| 03:12.27 | Dhraakellian | and if that's not technically correct, oh, well. it gets the gist of it |
| 03:12.53 | Dhraakellian | fred87: the problem with that is that it doesn't use the line that includes ~/.gtkrc.mine |
| 03:13.00 | Dhraakellian | (or whatever the file is called) |
| 03:13.01 | fred87 | :S |
| 03:13.19 | Dhraakellian | and I use that file to make ^U work in xchat and other gtk apps |
| 03:13.31 | Dhraakellian | fred87: I know very little about GTK |
| 03:14.29 | pmonster | is there a probem with using the KDE sound system and ALSA? |
| 03:17.49 | Triskelios | pmonster: no.. |
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| 03:19.25 | pmonster | Triskelios: just that there are delays in program responsivness when they try to use sounds themselves.. so i stopeed KDE SS and those other programs (XMMS, doom legacy) started working fine |
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| 03:31.16 | DragonSpirit | hi, hope this is not to silly a question, but I was wondering how I could start going abuot getting xscreensavers to show up in kde's screensaver configuration app. I had read around on the web and saw some talking about them being able to do it, though in mine none are listed but native kde ones. I'm using kde 3.2 on mandrake 10 |
| 03:34.21 | teatime|afk | DragonSpirit: it's a compile time setup |
| 03:34.45 | DragonSpirit | ah I see, nice of mandrake to be one of the few that don't do that |
| 03:34.51 | DragonSpirit | than kyou teatime|afk |
| 03:34.59 | teatime|afk | if xscreensaver is installed with kdeartwork is built, it can be built with support for xscreensaver |
| 03:35.10 | teatime|afk | s/with/when |
| 03:35.26 | DragonSpirit | ah so if I rebuilt the src.rpm I might just be able to have it then |
| 03:35.37 | teatime|afk | that should be possible, yes |
| 03:35.50 | teatime|afk | though I have no experience whatsoever with src rpms :) |
| 03:36.15 | DragonSpirit | I have though, so I should be ok |
| 03:36.15 | teatime|afk | DragonSpirit: make sure the xscreensaver-devel package is installed though |
| 03:36.23 | teatime|afk | :) |
| 03:36.25 | teatime|afk | good luck |
| 03:36.35 | DragonSpirit | thanks teatime|afk, just had to be clued in there |
| 03:36.44 | teatime|afk | np :) |
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| 03:54.14 | pmonster | does ALSA support more then one sound being played, i.e. by different processes at the same time? |
| 03:54.41 | Triskelios | pmonster: that's a hardware feature |
| 03:54.58 | Triskelios | pmonster: alsa does have the dmix plugin for cards that can't |
| 03:55.11 | fred87 | or use arts :) |
| 03:55.14 | pmonster | does the KDE SS use alsa? |
| 03:55.22 | fred87 | pmonster, it can do |
| 03:55.29 | fred87 | kde uses arts, which has several back ends |
| 03:55.32 | fred87 | one of which is alsa |
| 03:55.35 | Triskelios | pmonster: arts can use whatever sound drivers are available |
| 03:56.05 | pmonster | hmm well then i dont think mine is set up to do so, because KDE SS blocks sound I/O all the time |
| 03:56.22 | fred87 | pmonster, arts blocks the sound. |
| 03:56.41 | pmonster | i checked the control panel settings for the sound, and it only had OSS.. how do you set it up to use alsa? |
| 03:56.41 | fred87 | in the control panel, set arts to suspend after some ridiculously short amount of time, eg 2 seconds |
| 03:56.50 | fred87 | install alsa? |
| 03:57.00 | pmonster | yeah, alsa intalled, working |
| 03:57.10 | fred87 | how did you install arts? |
| 03:57.10 | pmonster | i just dont think kde/whatever knows that |
| 03:57.23 | pmonster | i dunno what arts is |
| 03:57.35 | pmonster | i used gentoo and emerged it all |
| 03:57.50 | fred87 | so much for "gentoo makes you learn" :( |
| 04:01.58 | pmonster | i've learnt a hell of alot acctually.. i used to be much worse |
| 04:03.37 | fred87 | sorry just that's one of my pet hates :) |
| 04:04.22 | fred87 | second only to "why-oh-why doesn't the linux UT install decompress the maps..." |
| 04:06.02 | benjamindees | fred87, instead of on-the-fly you mean? |
| 04:06.31 | fred87 | ? really? for some reason on-the-fly hasn't worked on any of the boxes i've installed it on |
| 04:06.35 | fred87 | it just doesn't find the maps |
| 04:06.40 | marcusU | What maps? |
| 04:06.48 | fred87 | unreal tournament :) |
| 04:06.59 | marcusU | I don't know what that is. |
| 04:07.09 | benjamindees | fred87, the install gets an error? |
| 04:07.22 | fred87 | nope - game runs fine. just doesn't find any maps |
| 04:07.44 | fred87 | marcusU a game |
| 04:07.49 | marcusU | ok |
| 04:07.51 | benjamindees | fred87, online? |
| 04:07.55 | fred87 | nope |
| 04:08.14 | fred87 | ah wellit's easy enough to decompress them |
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| 04:11.24 | fred87 | benjamindees: |
| 04:11.36 | fred87 | Rendering initialized |
| 04:11.36 | fred87 | LoadMap: Entry |
| 04:11.36 | fred87 | Failed to load 'Entry': Can't find file 'Entry' |
| 04:11.36 | fred87 | Failed to load 'Level None.MyLevel': Can't find file 'Entry' |
| 04:11.36 | fred87 | appError called: |
| 04:11.38 | fred87 | Failed to enter Entry: Can't find file 'Entry' |
| 04:12.05 | marcusU | It sounds like it's not finding the file 'Entry'. |
| 04:12.46 | fred87 | lol |
| 04:12.56 | fred87 | that's because it's Entry.uz |
| 04:12.58 | benjamindees | fred87, that's ut2k4? |
| 04:12.58 | fred87 | :) |
| 04:13.01 | fred87 | nope original UT |
| 04:13.08 | benjamindees | fred87, ohhhh |
| 04:13.27 | benjamindees | fred87, isn't there a bugzilla somewhere with patches? |
| 04:14.26 | fred87 | nah |
| 04:14.31 | fred87 | it's easy enough to decompress them |
| 04:14.35 | fred87 | if i can find my notes :) |
| 04:14.49 | fred87 | ah got it : http://www.niftybits.ukfsn.org/ucol-wiki/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hints/Unreal_Tournament <<< my howto |
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| 04:25.56 | l_user | Hi all |
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| 04:25.58 | l_user | quick question |
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| 04:27.17 | l_user | ....... |
| 04:28.26 | pythonkid | ?????? |
| 04:28.49 | Dhraakellian | "?" |
| 04:28.51 | Dhraakellian | "!" |
| 04:29.10 | l_user | yeah I have a question :P |
| 04:34.24 | l_user | anyone know how to change the default web browser? |
| 04:35.13 | illogic-al | l_user: aye |
| 04:37.02 | illogic-al | kcontrol > KDE Comps. > File Ass. > text/html |
| 04:37.52 | l_user | hm. |
| 04:37.59 | l_user | I see 'text' but not 'text/html' |
| 04:38.29 | l_user | oh nm I see html |
| 04:39.09 | l_user | THANK YOU :) |
| 04:41.28 | l_user | my links are still showing up in konqueror :( |
| 04:41.49 | l_user | I changed text->html to the browser I want but it still isn't working |
| 04:47.01 | grepper | l_user: if KDE 3.3 it will be easy to change the default browser |
| 04:47.17 | grepper | s/if KDE/in KDE/ |
| 04:47.34 | l_user | ? |