| 00:02.20 | andrewy | annma: Very few programs are there. Not even all the KDE programs are in there. |
| 00:02.30 | annma | andrewy: ??? |
| 00:03.37 | Dhraakellian | run kappfinder? |
| 00:04.43 | andrewy | that's just for non kde apps, isn't it? |
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| 00:08.37 | illogic-al | andrewy: what's wrong with your menu? |
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| 00:10.05 | thiago | $KDEDIR/share/applications |
| 00:11.14 | illogic-al | that's not the menu |
| 00:12.24 | thiago | yes it is |
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| 00:13.32 | illogic-al | thiago: mines empty except for a kde directory |
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| 00:14.18 | Dhraakellian | illogic-al: just out of curiosity, have you tried to see if running kappfinder does anything? |
| 00:14.41 | thiago | illogic-al: the menu is in that kde directory |
| 00:14.45 | Dhraakellian | although I'm not exactly sure how kappfinder works, so it might or might not help |
| 00:14.51 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: I've used it plenty of times. |
| 00:15.22 | illogic-al | thiago: no it isn't |
| 00:15.35 | Dhraakellian | ~/.kde/share/applnk/ should have the .desktop files |
| 00:16.14 | thiago | illogic-al: yes it is. |
| 00:16.16 | illogic-al | $KDEDIR/share/applnk has my menu |
| 00:16.33 | thiago | illogic-al: $KDEDIR/share/applications has my menu. The KDE applications are in the kde/ subdir. |
| 00:16.37 | andrewy | ~/.kde/share/applnk, $KDEDIR/share/applnk, and ~/.config do not have the .desktop files for whta is shown in the KDE menu. |
| 00:16.38 | apt | andrewy: what are you talking about? |
| 00:16.39 | thiago | this is KDE 3.3.0 rc1 |
| 00:16.56 | illogic-al | thiago: me too |
| 00:17.06 | thiago | illogic-al: they're there. |
| 00:17.07 | illogic-al | and i deletec $KDEDIR today and reinstalled |
| 00:17.22 | thiago | illogic-al: and if they aren't, you've got the wrong $KDEDIR |
| 00:17.24 | illogic-al | thiago: ls $KDEDIR/share/applications |
| 00:17.34 | illogic-al | thiago: i've only got one $KDEDIR |
| 00:17.52 | andrewy | oh, they're in there. thanks. |
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| 00:17.57 | thiago | $ ls -1 $KDEDIR/share/applications/kde | wc -l |
| 00:17.57 | thiago | 260 |
| 00:18.09 | dicrapio | ques. in the kmenu, the logout button, which is the command it invokes? |
| 00:18.29 | illogic-al | thiago: that's not the menu though |
| 00:18.46 | thiago | dicrapio: the equivalent to 'dcop ksmserver default logout' |
| 00:18.53 | thiago | illogic-al: again: yes it is. |
| 00:19.09 | illogic-al | if you look in applnk it has the exact same structe as the menu |
| 00:19.20 | thiago | illogic-al: KDE doesn't use applnk anymore |
| 00:19.31 | thiago | the new, flat directory structure is the XDG standard. |
| 00:19.38 | illogic-al | oooooooooh |
| 00:19.48 | illogic-al | why didn't you say that :) |
| 00:19.49 | thiago | menu subdirs are specified as categories in the .desktop files |
| 00:20.01 | thiago | I have been trying to. I told you it was the menu all along. |
| 00:20.10 | illogic-al | but you didn't explain |
| 00:20.16 | thiago | you didn't ask :) |
| 00:20.19 | illogic-al | lol |
| 00:20.59 | dicrapio | k so if im trying to create a shortcut to that in the panel i type that? |
| 00:21.08 | thiago | dicrapio: no |
| 00:21.30 | thiago | dicrapio: there's no way to get the logout dialog from a shortcut |
| 00:21.43 | thiago | or maybe there is. Check the lock/logout applet's code. |
| 00:21.44 | dicrapio | hmm |
| 00:22.27 | dicrapio | wheres that? |
| 00:25.46 | thiago | dicrapio: kdebase/kicker/applets/lockout |
| 00:25.58 | thiago | actually, I've been nice to you and I did check the code |
| 00:26.03 | thiago | it's the dcop command alright |
| 00:26.20 | thiago | it takes three integer arguments. A combination of them will cause the window to show up. |
| 00:27.30 | thiago | reference: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdecore/html/classKApplication.html#a9 |
| 00:28.44 | dicrapio | thx |
| 00:29.15 | thiago | the default values (the one the applet uses) are -1 -1 -1 |
| 00:29.45 | thiago | if you want to try, use "dcop ksmserver default logout -1 -1 -1" and see if the dialog pops up |
| 00:29.58 | thiago | I won't try because it could log me out without asking for confirmation |
| 00:30.54 | dicrapio | k |
| 00:32.14 | Dhraakellian | how do I get Konqueror to not load the url in the clipboard when I middleclick? |
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| 00:36.12 | ironfroggy | everytime i start konq, it has a bunch of tabs open. they are all pages i had open at once like a month ago.. how do i clear this list of pages so they dont open? |
| 00:37.17 | Dhraakellian | ironfroggy: close them all |
| 00:37.37 | Dhraakellian | (so you have a single blank tab (or home page tab)) |
| 00:37.49 | Dhraakellian | and save your webbrowsing view profile again |
| 00:39.19 | ironfroggy | i never saved it to begin with. howd they get there? |
| 00:39.32 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
| 00:41.28 | Dhraakellian | what version of amaroK comes with 3.3L |
| 00:41.36 | Dhraakellian | s/L/\?/ |
| 00:42.45 | illogic-al | none |
| 00:42.57 | illogic-al | amarok is released independently of KDE |
| 00:44.02 | Dhraakellian | well, which version of amaroK is in kdeextragear 3.3? |
| 00:44.17 | Dhraakellian | (I think that's where it is) |
| 00:44.27 | mxcl | extragear is released independent of kde |
| 00:45.02 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 00:45.24 | Dhraakellian | then why do I hear people talking about a new version of amarok in relation to KDE 3.3? |
| 00:45.40 | illogic-al | cause it's just convenient :) |
| 00:45.41 | mxcl | dunno, they shouldn't be |
| 00:45.48 | Dhraakellian | (I was wondering if it was a higher version than I already have installed) |
| 00:45.49 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 00:46.00 | mxcl | 1.0.2 is latest |
| 00:46.04 | mxcl | cvs is far more advanced |
| 00:46.21 | Dhraakellian | if amarok could play l365 stations, I'd say that it should replace noatun |
| 00:46.39 | Dhraakellian | but it doesn't play live365 stations |
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| 00:47.07 | mxcl | Dhraakellian: an example url? |
| 00:47.38 | Dhraakellian | http://radio.sluggite.com/ |
| 00:47.58 | Dhraakellian | that has a link to the l365 site |
| 00:48.11 | Dhraakellian | I tend to avoid it and use a saved playlist |
| 00:48.23 | Dhraakellian | in xmms or noatun |
| 00:50.09 | mxcl | you got a link to a stream? |
| 00:50.21 | mxcl | just I'd be surprised if there's anything amaroK can't play nowadays |
| 00:53.11 | Dhraakellian | http://www.live365.com/stations/wbunradio?play |
| 00:53.17 | Dhraakellian | and I'll be back in a couple minutes |
| 00:57.51 | annma | stupid IRC |
| 00:58.30 | mxcl | Dhraakellian: I can't get xmms to play that |
| 01:00.38 | Dhraakellian | okay... |
| 01:01.15 | mxcl | Dhraakellian: works for you? |
| 01:01.26 | mxcl | I'm asking on #amarok to see if it can be played |
| 01:02.25 | Dhraakellian | http://dhraakellian.sevspace.com/sounds/WBUNplay.m3u might or might work |
| 01:05.22 | mxcl | Dhraakellian: that one works for me |
| 01:05.28 | mxcl | in amaroK with xine-engine |
| 01:05.32 | mxcl | can't test the other engines |
| 01:05.43 | Dhraakellian | xine-engine? |
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| 01:05.44 | illogic-al | not i. |
| 01:05.45 | mxcl | it wants a login :) |
| 01:05.48 | illogic-al | same fprob :/ |
| 01:05.52 | Dhraakellian | ick |
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| 01:06.01 | Dhraakellian | l365 is very annoying |
| 01:06.12 | thiago | kdeextragear isn't released |
| 01:06.16 | Dhraakellian | I liked WBUN better when it was just plain old shoutcast |
| 01:06.40 | Dhraakellian | but the person who ran the station wanted it to be legit |
| 01:06.49 | Dhraakellian | and have the capacity for more listeners |
| 01:07.00 | grandma | hi, i'm running KDE 3.1, and i'm looking at updating it to the latest KDE while keeping all my settings, i looked at doing it before but i had dependency issues, any suggestions for snag-free update? |
| 01:08.08 | mxcl | grandma: backup ~/.kde first :) |
| 01:08.33 | mxcl | otherwise how are you planning to do it? rpms? |
| 01:08.44 | grandma | yes, rpms if possible |
| 01:09.03 | Dhraakellian | what distro? |
| 01:09.07 | grandma | SuSE 9 |
| 01:09.25 | Dhraakellian | okay... I think it's possible to upgrade with suse 9 |
| 01:09.39 | grandma | yes, with dependency issues, heh |
| 01:09.43 | Dhraakellian | (KDE upgrading is one of the reasons I dislike RH) |
| 01:09.49 | Dhraakellian | grandma: it's possible, though |
| 01:09.53 | Dhraakellian | I was able to do it |
| 01:10.02 | fred87 | no problems ditching kde x.y.z and grabbing CVS :) |
| 01:10.08 | mxcl | there should be semi-official suse 9 packages |
| 01:10.08 | grandma | yea i know Dhraakellian |
| 01:10.35 | grandma | lemme check again |
| 01:10.38 | mxcl | with suse I always used to use apt and the apt4rpm servers |
| 01:10.43 | mxcl | handle dependencies for you |
| 01:10.48 | Dhraakellian | I forget exactly how I did it, but I think it involved unme^H^Hinstalling a certain package or two first |
| 01:11.11 | Dhraakellian | almost slipped into gentoo terminology there |
| 01:11.11 | fred87 | ah :) |
| 01:11.13 | fred87 | i was wondering what that was... |
| 01:12.16 | grandma | when i go to update kde will my settings stay the same? |
| 01:12.34 | mxcl | grandma: yes, but they may not work anymore |
| 01:12.47 | mxcl | grandma: make a backup to be safe though |
| 01:13.16 | grandma | backup of? |
| 01:14.23 | Dhraakellian | 'cp ~/.kde ~/.kde.bak-date' is what I'd do |
| 01:14.46 | Dhraakellian | replacing "date" with something like 2004-08-10 |
| 01:14.46 | grandma | yea, but that's just my settings then isn't it? |
| 01:14.55 | grandma | :0P |
| 01:15.37 | grandma | but i get what ur sayin :0P |
| 01:16.19 | grandma | gyah...i'm only updating for one app that doesn't come separate apparently |
| 01:17.30 | grandma | oh yea i remember this...a billion packages to download |
| 01:17.44 | Dhraakellian | at least it's not Gnome |
| 01:17.45 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 01:18.08 | grandma | hrmm..how to automate |
| 01:18.35 | grandma | wget? |
| 01:18.52 | grandma | i take it i need every package...heh |
| 01:19.56 | Dhraakellian | wget --np -r |
| 01:19.57 | Dhraakellian | I think |
| 01:20.07 | Dhraakellian | --no-parent |
| 01:20.28 | Dhraakellian | grandma: most, probably |
| 01:20.45 | Dhraakellian | you could probably get away without a couple of them |
| 01:20.53 | grandma | well i'll just install them all while i'm at it |
| 01:20.54 | grandma | heh |
| 01:21.15 | grandma | no parent? |
| 01:21.16 | mxcl | can't you just drag and drop from konqi? or is it not an ftp site |
| 01:30.06 | grandma | -nd? |
| 01:30.11 | grandma | no-directory |
| 01:30.49 | Dhraakellian | grandma: wget --help |
| 01:30.53 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 01:31.02 | Dhraakellian | or is that what you were doing? |