| 00:00.15 | bones_ | create it .. :-) |
| 00:00.20 | pabs_ | hehe ok ;) |
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| 00:02.20 | Dhraakellian | okay, I was thinking that maybe I had killed off some stuf that I shouldn't have killed |
| 00:02.25 | Dhraakellian | but no |
| 00:03.42 | pabs_ | I'm restarting |
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| 00:06.34 | pabs_ | it worked!! |
| 00:06.48 | Dhraakellian | woowhom |
| 00:06.51 | bones_ | good! |
| 00:06.58 | Dhraakellian | now i need to figure out what my problem is |
| 00:06.59 | pabs_ | and why did it happend!!? |
| 00:07.15 | bones_ | if you use kde you might want to try kdm as a display manager (from the kde project) |
| 00:07.16 | pabs_ | thenk you very much bones_ ! |
| 00:07.18 | Dhraakellian | I know that the sftp kioslave works |
| 00:07.36 | bones_ | dont know why.. did you rename $HOME/.kde ? |
| 00:07.49 | pabs_ | no |
| 00:08.00 | bones_ | ;-) so must be the display manager |
| 00:08.19 | pabs_ | maybe doing apt-get remove xdm meshed up the whole thing |
| 00:09.01 | pabs_ | i'm going to try with kdm |
| 00:11.44 | FF | /stockholm |
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| 00:12.47 | pabs_ | kdm works too |
| 00:13.17 | pabs_ | does kdm have sessionChooser themes like gdm? |
| 00:13.43 | bones_ | good. you can configure kdm from the kde control-center. good luck, I am off now.. |
| 00:14.00 | pabs_ | ok! thanks |
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| 00:22.34 | Zodi | anyone know of any regression testing tools, profilers, bounds checkers etc.. |
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| 00:25.32 | aseigo | Zodi: valgrind |
| 00:25.32 | aseigo | Zodi: has some nice kde frontends, too, like kcachegrind |
| 00:25.32 | aseigo | Zodi: very slick stuff |
| 00:25.32 | aseigo | Zodi: don't even have to recompile to use it =) |
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| 00:27.48 | Zodi | awesome thats perfect |
| 00:28.38 | Zodi | i was hoping i wouldnt have to compile anything speaking of which though if i wanted to write a kde or qt app, how does one write that so that it doesnt require those libs on the end user box |
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| 00:29.27 | Servo888 | afternoon all |
| 00:29.41 | Servo888 | is there any way to 'hide' or remove the kde trash can from the desktop?... |
| 00:31.17 | marcusU | You can always delete ~/Desktop/Trash, I think, but you won't have that functionality anymore. |
| 00:31.44 | Servo888 | can I mv -r Trash to /home/user/ ? |
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| 00:36.39 | marcusU | I think that KDE expects the trash to be in a particular place. |
| 00:36.44 | grepper | Servo888: as I said, you need to do it in kcontrol |
| 00:37.01 | grepper | system admin->paths |
| 00:37.08 | grepper | change the Trash path |
| 00:37.11 | Servo888 | grepper: yup - thanks a bunch. I put it into my home dir and it works =-) |
| 00:37.18 | grepper | ok, np |
| 00:37.19 | Servo888 | and changed the path |
| 00:37.34 | Zodi | why would u want the trash can off your desktop ? |
| 00:37.44 | Servo888 | Zodi: to keep it CLEAN |
| 00:37.49 | Servo888 | no icons |
| 00:37.57 | Dhraakellian | if you use gkrellm, hide it behind it |
| 00:38.00 | Dhraakellian | that's what I do |
| 00:38.03 | Servo888 | lol |
| 00:38.07 | Servo888 | that's not a bad idea |
| 00:38.10 | Zodi | lol clean |
| 00:38.21 | Zodi | i keep stuff on my desktop i dont think its dirty as long as its organized |
| 00:38.27 | Servo888 | true |
| 00:38.36 | Zodi | :) |
| 00:38.38 | grepper | I sweep it under the windows |
| 00:39.49 | Servo888 | but I have a problem of making a mess on my desktop -- such as if I have some sort of project I'm working on - in matter of hours I can fill up my entire desktop with icons / files / links / etc. So now I'm keeping everything organized by cleaning my desktop and using a folder called 'workspace' where I know all my files are that I'm working with |
| 00:40.27 | Dhraakellian | renamed it to .Trash |
| 00:40.56 | aseigo | Servo888: yeah... desktop icons are the devil |
| 00:40.56 | Servo888 | yah but I like having the Trash icon so I can right click and say empty |
| 00:41.02 | aseigo | Servo888: i turn them off completely myself |
| 00:41.13 | Servo888 | =-) |
| 00:41.20 | Zodi | hmm hey all when your all developing what are the languages, api, etc... of choice ? |
| 00:41.30 | Servo888 | Zodi: C :-) |
| 00:41.48 | Servo888 | But life isn't fair so J2EE always creeps up the corner. |
| 00:41.48 | aseigo | you can't see them with windows on top, it isn't good for multiple types if icons (no way of visually organizing them that is effective, partly the fault of kdesktop partly just the fault of hte idea in general ;) |
| 00:41.50 | Zodi | if u try to sell a kde/qt app u need some sort of license right ? |
| 00:41.59 | aseigo | Zodi: close source, yes.. sell, no... |
| 00:42.04 | Zodi | oh |
| 00:42.16 | aseigo | Zodi: if it's an Open Source license you don't need a license |
| 00:42.17 | Zodi | yeah part of what i want to do i want to use qt but it is closed source |
| 00:42.19 | Servo888 | Zodi: you can't sell gpl software =\ |
| 00:42.31 | aseigo | Servo888: er... people do it all the time? |
| 00:42.31 | Zodi | so what are my options :P |
| 00:43.26 | Dhraakellian | you can charge for the box in which it comes |
| 00:43.28 | Servo888 | Dhraakellian: lol! Welcome to the real world - My AP science class from a few years ago used C++ - then they switched to JAVA. But I was able to take both of the class in two semesters =-) |
| 00:43.37 | Dhraakellian | and you can charge for services relating to the project |
| 00:43.47 | aseigo | Zodi: Qt is worth the price. but if that isn't possible.... |
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| 00:44.06 | Servo888 | aseigo: I don't think people do it all the time... Well there is Winex by transgaming |
| 00:44.08 | aseigo | Zodi: try wxWindows.. |
| 00:44.12 | Zodi | well it doesnt seem possible, at work their a little picky on what we can use |
| 00:44.24 | aseigo | Servo888: what do you think a linux distribution is? sale of GPL software.. |
| 00:44.28 | Zodi | one main app was using Tcl/TK and i re-wrote in FLTK |
| 00:44.42 | aseigo | Servo888: and saying "you can't" isn't true. it's just less obvious how to go about it than closed source, but you most deffnitely can |
| 00:44.58 | Zodi | which isnt great but works for now, but i'd like to link in qt so that i could perhaps make a single binary that runs on the current major distros |
| 00:45.43 | Zodi | i figured qt/kde should be easier to deal with than tcl or fltk i'm hoping |
| 00:46.18 | aseigo | it is. a lot more so |
| 00:46.31 | Dhraakellian | how does gtk2 compare to the other two? |
| 00:46.40 | marcusU | Ew. The G word. |
| 00:46.49 | Zodi | but at the same time i dont think we're into aquire any licenses so they might scoff at me suggesting qt not sure yet |
| 00:47.08 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: it's better than motif, probably even better than MFC in a lot of ways.. |
| 00:47.10 | Zodi | i looked into gtk mostly with python |
| 00:47.11 | Servo888 | aseigo: Yes you are right - hmm... |
| 00:47.13 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: it's still ugly though |
| 00:47.15 | aseigo | well, IMHO.. |
| 00:47.30 | Zodi | i was able to pretty up the fltk a bit :P |
| 00:47.34 | aseigo | i like my underscore key, and i like writing 25-40% less code due to the OO design (or lack thereof) |
| 00:47.37 | Dhraakellian | marcusU: GNU! GNU! |
| 00:47.47 | Zodi | looks plastic'ish |
| 00:47.52 | Zodi | mac plasticish |
| 00:47.57 | aseigo | platinum =) |
| 00:48.07 | Zodi | nah more like shiny lego toys |
| 00:48.08 | Dhraakellian | ("Are you saying "gnu" to that old woman?" "man!") |
| 00:48.19 | Dhraakellian | (to mix up monty python quotes) |
| 00:48.31 | aseigo | oooh.. food hath arrived. bbl |
| 00:48.51 | aseigo | Zodi: heh.. that's the "official" name of the old mac platicky style... platinum. |
| 00:49.03 | Zodi | oh haha |
| 00:49.17 | Zodi | i find the callbacks in fltk are tricky |
| 00:49.40 | Dhraakellian | iirc, platinum was more like KDE2 default than plastik |
| 00:49.51 | Zodi | like i call a routine to allow me to process other events while i'm in a loop, i can click all the other buttons so it works |
| 00:49.58 | Zodi | but if i try to access a menu |
| 00:50.00 | Zodi | bam crash |
| 00:50.34 | Zodi | like some widgets are aware and some arent near aware enough |
| 00:50.39 | aseigo | Zodi: yeah, the pseudo-async, loose-coupling of signal/slots are awesome |
| 00:50.50 | aseigo | (compared to most other mechanisms) |
| 00:51.12 | Zodi | yeah i skimmed over the signals and slots and it looked awesome, i'm just wondering how i convince them |
| 00:51.15 | aseigo | (including Java's interfaces, fltk's events, wxWindow's event handling...) |
| 00:51.19 | Zodi | since our code is not gpl |
| 00:51.44 | aseigo | Zodi: "by using Qt we will not only get enterprise level support and platform neutrality, but it'll make our coding much faster. and look at the documentation!" |
| 00:51.51 | aseigo | Zodi: time is money, and Qt helps save you that. |
| 00:52.14 | Dhraakellian | and if you want to convince your company to make its code OSS instead... |
| 00:52.20 | Dhraakellian | or not |
| 00:52.24 | Zodi | so what does it cost for me to use QT in a commerical app |
| 00:52.41 | aseigo | Zodi: it's a developer license.. like MS Visual Studio... |
| 00:52.49 | aseigo | Zodi: there are no royalties, or per-product costs |
| 00:53.07 | aseigo | Zodi: the pricing depends on volume and # of platforms you target (which you can change over time =) |
| 00:53.13 | Zodi | oh so if i get the license my self , then i can do it whenever i want for any company then yes ? |
| 00:53.14 | aseigo | Zodi: and the pricing is on the TT website... |
| 00:53.19 | aseigo | Zodi: exaclty. |
| 00:53.23 | Zodi | sweet |
| 00:53.36 | Zodi | how about this |
| 00:53.36 | aseigo | Zodi: and when you take into consideration what it costs to pay you, the license pays pretty quickly in time saved ;-) |
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| 00:54.04 | aseigo | Zodi: a lot of companies here in calgary are using Qt due to exactly that. primarily oil 'n gas and geophys, since those are the big industries here |
| 00:54.15 | Zodi | lets say i was writing a QT app that hmm well its kinda a player application , but its making calls to a .so file which contains our propertery code |
| 00:54.24 | Zodi | would i need a QT license in that case |
| 00:54.53 | codeus | So no [adblocking|way to remove status bar] in Konqueror? |
| 00:55.08 | marcusU | codeus: What kind of ad blocking? |
| 00:56.14 | Dhraakellian | not like the adblock extension for Firefox, probably |
| 00:57.02 | codeus | Like banner ads |
| 00:58.03 | codeus | I know, I don't like that adblock extension anyways, having the userchrome.css where I have CSS that I want blocked is much better |
| 00:59.44 | Zodi | anyone answer that QT license question i had |
| 01:00.27 | aseigo | Zodi: yes |
| 01:00.52 | Zodi | so the app wouldnt have the non-gpl code in it but it would access a lib that does |
| 01:01.01 | aseigo | Zodi: linking to a proprietary .so is considered linkage and derivative, esp if w/out that lib it is useless =) |
| 01:01.09 | Zodi | drat |
| 01:01.10 | Zodi | lol |
| 01:01.26 | Zodi | is there any difference making a qt vs a kde app |
| 01:01.40 | illogic-al | kde apps are prettier :-) |
| 01:02.09 | Zodi | works for me |
| 01:03.34 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: gnome-files or gnome-apps versus kde-apps? |
| 01:04.38 | Dhraakellian | well, for instance, xchat uses GTK, but it doesn't use any gnome libraries |
| 01:05.12 | aseigo | ah.. pure Qt versus pure Gtk+? |
| 01:05.31 | Dhraakellian | I can think of make xconfig and qtparted |
| 01:05.34 | Dhraakellian | and that's about it |
| 01:05.40 | aseigo | probably more pure Gtk+ as there is not nearly the incentive to use GNOME libs for Gtk+ apps as there is for Qt apps to use KDE =) |
| 01:05.45 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: scribus... |
| 01:05.49 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: there are quite a number of htem |
| 01:06.07 | marcusU | But plain GTK+ does not have nearly as much functionality as plain Qt. |
| 01:06.18 | marcusU | Qt is equivalent to GTK+ plus a bunch of add-ons. |
| 01:06.35 | illogic-al | and easier to understand |
| 01:06.39 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 01:10.30 | turdfergusson | hi guys.. got a question :S.. i just deleted my "Desktop" from /home/turd and now my "Trash" and "Home" icon's amongst everything else I had linked to the desktop are gone :S anyway of undo'ing that? heh |
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| 01:29.43 | Gil | Hi all.. in KMail, is it possible to save a new contact in a LDAP repository when you right-click on an e-mail address and say "Add contact to address book"? |
| 01:30.42 | codeus | Wow, Kopete keeps constantly crashing. |
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| 01:41.48 | NeoSadist | help! i lost the close/minimize/maximize icons from the top right of all my programs |
| 01:42.12 | codeus | Then just put them back on there... |
| 01:42.22 | aseigo | NeoSadist: go into kcontrol, window decos, window buttons |
| 01:42.43 | codeus | Yeah, but more importantly, whenever I try to get rid of the formatting toolbar in Kopete, it comes right back when I close and reopen the window |
| 01:42.51 | NeoSadist | dur, nevermind, i found how to get them back |
| 01:42.57 | NeoSadist | you're right, thanks |
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| 01:54.18 | codeus | Is there a way to DISABLE KWallet |
| 01:55.12 | annma | yes |
| 01:55.16 | annma | in KControl |
| 01:55.21 | aseigo | codeus: on it's config page, look at the first checkbox ;-) |
| 01:56.13 | codeus | Ahh, there, thanks. |
| 01:56.16 | codeus | I had no use for it :) |
| 01:56.54 | booradley | hi there. I'm trying to figure out why the kicker panel's not showing new apps when I open them & removing them when I close them |
| 01:57.52 | booradley | I just upgraded kde to 3.3 & x to x11r6.8, and the panel doesn't show anything unless I restart it at the konsole |
| 01:59.32 | annma | hmmm |
| 01:59.47 | codeus | I'm trying to figure out why it is that if I gtet rid of the formatting toolbar in Kopete, it comes right back when a new window opens |
| 01:59.52 | annma | did you upgrade to xorg prior upgrading kde? |
| 02:00.14 | booradley | no, the other way around, annma. kde 3.3, then xorg |
| 02:00.30 | annma | booradley: might not be the most logical |
| 02:00.33 | booradley | I messed around a bit & found root was unaffected, as are new user accounts |
| 02:00.45 | annma | as kde is on top of x |
| 02:00.53 | annma | ahh |
| 02:00.56 | booradley | it certainly was :-) xorg was not out when I did the kde upgrade |
| 02:00.58 | annma | so just your user? |
| 02:01.18 | aseigo | booradley: i've seen those on certain vendor's builds of 3.3... |
| 02:01.21 | booradley | my heavily modified, customized user account that I've lavished hours on :-) |
| 02:01.37 | booradley | I run suse 9.1, patched regularly. |
| 02:01.38 | annma | then try renaming kickerrc to kickerc.old |
| 02:01.46 | aseigo | booradley: the taskbar, pager and system tray don't seem to pick up window manager events, right? |
| 02:01.49 | booradley | have done. |
| 02:01.50 | aseigo | booradley: ah.. SUSE.. yep... |
| 02:01.54 | aseigo | booradley: that's a bug. |
| 02:01.56 | booradley | aseigo : yes, that is correct. |
| 02:02.03 | aseigo | booradley: a bloody annoying one =/ |
| 02:02.15 | annma | but why only his account? |
| 02:02.21 | booradley | I can backup & remove all under .kde & everything gets regenerated w/o issue, too. |
| 02:02.32 | Dhraakellian | codeus: yeah, it's annoying |
| 02:02.35 | booradley | but removing only kickerrc does nothing. |
| 02:02.38 | Dhraakellian | I believe it's a known issue |
| 02:02.40 | annma | hmmm |
| 02:02.42 | aseigo | annma: i haven't traced it down yet... |
| 02:03.05 | booradley | I am more than eager to assist, aseigo ;-) |
| 02:03.08 | aseigo | booradley: no, i don't think it has anything to do with kicker. it seems to be a netwm and/or dcop issue with the window manager and/or glue bits on the desktop |
| 02:03.20 | annma | booradley: the best is to set a new account and import your most important setting files |
| 02:03.25 | Dhraakellian | even with Kopete 0.9's quirks, I still don't want to switch back to gaim |
| 02:03.28 | booradley | what's really odd is that alt-tab shows all ok |
| 02:03.30 | aseigo | booradley: so if you move all your ~/.kde the problem goes away? |
| 02:03.30 | annma | one after another |
| 02:03.39 | booradley | aseigo : correct. |
| 02:03.43 | aseigo | booradley: yeah, that's because the window manager knows which windows ar ethere ;-) |
| 02:04.09 | aseigo | booradley: well, try moving just the kwinrc file .. ~/.kde/share/apps/kwinrc ... and the kdeglobals too, perhaps |
| 02:04.30 | booradley | and then restart kde, right? |
| 02:04.55 | aseigo | booradley: try clearing out the ~/.kde/cache-* ~/.kde/socket-* and ~/.kde/tmp dirs |
| 02:05.08 | booradley | ok |
| 02:05.08 | aseigo | booradley: restart kde is probably the safest way... |
| 02:05.15 | booradley | already did /tmp & /var/tmp |
| 02:05.32 | aseigo | there is a tmp dir in ~/.kde/ as well |
| 02:05.49 | aseigo | (and of course, keep the files around so we can look at them later if they are the problem) |
| 02:06.38 | booradley | ok |
| 02:06.43 | booradley | stand by |
| 02:07.55 | booradley | am doing this across vnc, not too speedy |
| 02:08.07 | aseigo | booradley: thanks for doing this. i really appreciate it. |
| 02:08.37 | booradley | ha! you and me both :-) |
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| 02:11.28 | booradley | do you want me to save ~/.kde/tmp ? |
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| 02:16.46 | booradley | panic |
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| 02:18.37 | booradley | I'll have to continue this when I'm at home aseigo, I can't log in remotely |
| 02:18.46 | aseigo | booradley: cool |
| 02:18.58 | booradley | do you have a url for this bug? |
| 02:19.03 | aseigo | booradley: if i'm not around and you wittle it down to the issue, email me? aseigo at kde dot org |
| 02:19.09 | aseigo | booradley: and no, i don't have a url for the bug |
| 02:19.18 | aseigo | booradley: i haven't searched b.k.o for it yet |
| 02:20.07 | booradley | will do, thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 02:40.38 | t-jack | Anyone else having trouble with kicker locking up on them, and random launchings of konsole? |
| 02:42.16 | codeus | I'm trying to figure out why it is that if I gtet rid of the formatting toolbar in Kopete, it comes right back when a new window opens |
| 02:43.57 | Dhraakellian | codeus: it's a bug |
| 02:44.38 | codeus | :( |
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