| 00:00.10 | illogical | indeed |
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| 00:01.21 | Borg^Queen | nice tool. You have good taste in music. Are you sure you're a kid? |
| 00:02.30 | Triad2000 | usr/bin/ld: warning: libm.so.2, needed by /usr/local/lib/libtunepimp.so, may conflict with libm.so.3 |
| 00:02.35 | Triad2000 | Nice. |
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| 00:02.47 | canllaith | Tis a warning not a fatal error |
| 00:02.54 | Triad2000 | Yeah, but it bombed |
| 00:03.07 | Triad2000 | gmake[3]: *** [juk] Error 1 |
| 00:03.07 | Triad2000 | gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/multimedia/kdemultimedia3/work/kdemultimedia-3.3.1/juk' |
| 00:03.17 | jepel_tailweaver | Hello all. Does anyone know what would cause the menu and panel to mess themselves up if you try to run KDE through VNC? |
| 00:03.37 | canllaith | describe 'mess themselves up' |
| 00:03.58 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, none of the panel is responding except for the system tray |
| 00:04.07 | jepel_tailweaver | the menu isn't responding |
| 00:04.30 | jepel_tailweaver | and if I change panel settings in Kcontrol, it doesn't affect the panel |
| 00:05.08 | abydos | Triad2000: is this in gentoo? |
| 00:05.30 | Renze | it's not gentoo... looks like *bsd |
| 00:05.49 | canllaith | Interesting. No, I have absolutely no idea why it would do that over vnc. |
| 00:05.50 | abydos | oh, durr. |
| 00:05.58 | canllaith | How are you starting KDE ? |
| 00:06.04 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, lemme back up a bit |
| 00:06.32 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, After setting xstartup to execute startkde and starting the desktop, I'd get a Knotify error, so I quit VNC |
| 00:06.32 | Triad2000 | abydos: fbsd 5.3 |
| 00:06.43 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, I have now removed all traces of VNC from the equation |
| 00:06.57 | Borg^Queen | trout of doom? Is that an ACME product? |
| 00:07.01 | abydos | Triad2000: feel free to use the trout of doom on me. |
| 00:07.09 | Triad2000 | hehe |
| 00:07.19 | abydos | Borg^Queen: no, I prefer to roll my own cheesy product names. |
| 00:07.22 | Triad2000 | It's the only port that won't compile for kde3. |
| 00:07.25 | Triad2000 | Strange. |
| 00:07.32 | Borg^Queen | LOL abydos |
| 00:08.16 | abydos | Triad2000: why do you want juk? |
| 00:08.26 | abydos | Triad2000: there are much better media players. |
| 00:08.33 | abydos | that look better, I might add. |
| 00:08.37 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, now, KDE was started through my dinky little myxstart.sh script (X -config xorg.conf.new && export DISPLAY=:0.0 && /usr/bin/startkde &) |
| 00:08.57 | Triad2000 | Yea, im curious really |
| 00:08.58 | jepel_tailweaver | abydos, can you suggest one? I kind of like JuK |
| 00:09.06 | abydos | xmms. |
| 00:09.09 | abydos | silly. |
| 00:09.20 | jepel_tailweaver | abydos, I wanted a jukebox, not a dinky little media player |
| 00:09.33 | abydos | I used to use juk until I discovered with a shock that it can't play streaming media. |
| 00:09.38 | jepel_tailweaver | abydos, I came here for all of the cushiness of a full-functioned desktop environment |
| 00:09.41 | abydos | and neither can rhythmbox. |
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| 00:09.52 | canllaith | There is a very annoying disease in linux in general |
| 00:09.59 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, which would that be? |
| 00:10.01 | canllaith | Where someone comes along and says 'Hey I'd like to get my juk fixed' |
| 00:10.13 | canllaith | The people who might want to help are drowned out by people saying 'USE PROGRAM X INSTEAD!' |
| 00:10.20 | abydos | I'd use juk if it could play m3u streaming media. |
| 00:10.25 | canllaith | Perhaps you might not want to use program X? Perhaps you might want to fix program y? |
| 00:10.27 | abydos | canllaith: mi scusi. |
| 00:10.30 | Borg^Queen | What disease? |
| 00:10.38 | AC-130U | now on to ethanol... *hic!* |
| 00:10.38 | abydos | hm. |
| 00:10.42 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, is there any way I can restart the panel? |
| 00:10.54 | Borg^Queen | Ah, ok got |
| 00:10.57 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, or I think something went wrong with knotify |
| 00:10.57 | Borg^Queen | it |
| 00:10.58 | abydos | What's up with the juk compilation, is there any debugging info? |
| 00:11.06 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 00:11.13 | abydos | jepel_tailweaver: killall -9 kicker && kicker |
| 00:11.18 | abydos | erm. |
| 00:11.20 | abydos | or that. |
| 00:11.22 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: Here is where you might want to stop listening to abydos |
| 00:11.24 | canllaith | :) |
| 00:11.36 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: my attitude is the more apps the merrier. I never discourage someone from using/making another app. |
| 00:11.55 | vague | ok um I got a printer today, wondering if I have to rebuild all of KDE or just Libs and base ? I'm guessing just Libs and base... any input please. :) |
| 00:12.02 | abydos | canllaith: ah, but this is a single-user machine. |
| 00:12.10 | canllaith | abydos: So? |
| 00:12.17 | canllaith | If there is a non destructuve way to restart kicker |
| 00:12.18 | abydos | vague: you're on gentoo, right? |
| 00:12.21 | canllaith | killall -9 is just stupidity |
| 00:12.36 | vague | no |
| 00:12.38 | Renze | vague: why would you need to rebuild anything for a printer? |
| 00:12.41 | Borg^Queen | Doesn't that shut everything down? |
| 00:12.45 | abydos | canllaith: Ah, but see I did not know of the existence of a non-destructive way. |
| 00:12.49 | abydos | until now. |
| 00:12.52 | vague | i didn't build it with cups support |
| 00:13.01 | vague | i need to build it with cups |
| 00:13.06 | abydos | Renze: he uses gentoo. |
| 00:13.26 | vague | so do i just rebuild LIBS AND BASE ?> |
| 00:13.28 | Renze | abydos: so do I, but if you're smart you don't need to rebuild anything |
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| 00:13.55 | abydos | Renze: I'd rather use debian and not have anything to rebuild |
| 00:13.56 | Renze | abydos: and he said "no" to you asking if he ran Gentoo |
| 00:13.58 | Borg^Queen | green movement? |
| 00:14.00 | canllaith | vague: afaik, yes. |
| 00:14.02 | abydos | erm. |
| 00:14.04 | abydos | shit. |
| 00:14.16 | abydos | too many conversations. |
| 00:14.18 | Borg^Queen | Debian = good |
| 00:14.35 | abydos | news of the century, that. |
| 00:14.36 | Renze | abydos: and please keep your opinions about which distro is best to yourself |
| 00:14.47 | abydos | oi, you read my mind |
| 00:15.00 | Borg^Queen | beat him up! beat him up! |
| 00:15.09 | Borg^Queen | `oh crap |
| 00:15.10 | abydos | beat this, alien! |
| 00:15.26 | abydos | anywho. |
| 00:15.26 | Borg^Queen | No no you. I was trying to incite a riot |
| 00:15.31 | Borg^Queen | Who? |
| 00:15.40 | abydos | that's who. |
| 00:15.46 | Borg^Queen | o0 |
| 00:15.50 | abydos | ... |
| 00:16.21 | Borg^Queen | Aye, like wise. BBL, bloody phone. |
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| 00:16.38 | Borg^Queen | You will all get a break of 1 hour lol |
| 00:16.57 | abydos | so Triad2000 |
| 00:17.12 | abydos | Is there any debugging information with that error? |
| 00:20.19 | vague | gees thanks for the really infomative answer :( |
| 00:20.29 | canllaith | We answered you |
| 00:20.33 | vague | IM NOT A NEWBEE! |
| 00:20.34 | canllaith | What's your problem? |
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| 00:20.40 | jepel_tailweaver | hello all |
| 00:20.43 | vague | geezus |
| 00:20.45 | canllaith | bah I have no time for rudeness |
| 00:20.55 | vague | i've been a linux user for 8 years |
| 00:20.58 | canllaith | If you cannot be bothered listening to the answer once you have asked a question then go elsewhere. |
| 00:21.04 | Renze | vague: we're volunteers, and you're not paying us... lighten up, or get out |
| 00:21.22 | vague | where do i sen a check ? |
| 00:21.31 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: just before I could restart kicker, KDE messed up and all I could do was move stuff around and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace wouldn't work so I had to reboot |
| 00:21.36 | canllaith | vague: You could try scrolling up to see where your question was answered. |
| 00:21.53 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: Ok, things to check: Create a new user, see if it happens with this user |
| 00:22.05 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: running all the way to a root console |
| 00:22.07 | Renze | vague: < canllaith> vague: afaik, yes. |
| 00:22.12 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: You can also try other WM if you have them installed and see if you lock up under those as well |
| 00:22.24 | vague | all i see is a smart comment about me not being smart enough to build kde with cups support. |
| 00:22.37 | canllaith | jepel_tailweaver: First thing to try though is to create a new user and see if they also have problems. |
| 00:22.40 | Renze | vague: are you blind? |
| 00:22.46 | vague | no |
| 00:22.47 | abydos | vague: ... you need to build it with cups support. |
| 00:22.51 | canllaith | vague: I answered you, if you can't be bothered paying attention then go away. |
| 00:22.54 | Renze | then read the line I pasted of canllaith's |
| 00:22.55 | abydos | but it's probably just kdebase. |
| 00:23.34 | abydos | vague: I'm going to give you the straightest answer I can. |
| 00:23.46 | vague | <canllaith> vague: afaik, yes (that one? |
| 00:23.50 | abydos | vague: You should rebuild kdebase with cups support. |
| 00:23.55 | canllaith | vague: Yes. Yes you have to rebuild kdebase and kdelibs with cups support. |
| 00:23.56 | canllaith | Yes yes yes |
| 00:24.05 | Renze | vague: yes, that was in answer to your question about rebuilding kdelibs and kdebase |
| 00:24.11 | canllaith | I'm afraid I wasn't aware of any english dialects in which 'yes' did not mean 'yes' |
| 00:24.25 | vague | ok |
| 00:24.31 | abydos | but all the other kde packages will work with the current kprint from the newly recompiled kdebase |
| 00:24.47 | canllaith | kdelibs needs the support as well. |
| 00:24.49 | abydos | and kdelibs, yes. |
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| 00:25.20 | vague | ok |
| 00:25.34 | Renze | what a dork |
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| 00:25.59 | jtw_kdetest | canllaith, KDE works fine as the new 'kdetest' user |
| 00:26.14 | abydos | " i have been using linux for 8 years" well, if you take that attitude, you'll get nowhreer |
| 00:26.18 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: Well there you go. It is something to do with your user configuration. |
| 00:26.37 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: Considering how severe your problems are, I would be inclined to mv .kde .kde-bak |
| 00:26.43 | jtw_kdetest | canllaith, is there something in particular in the config that I can change? or do I need to start over? |
| 00:26.46 | canllaith | Then slowly migrate your settings back over |
| 00:26.46 | jtw_kdetest | oh, I need to start over? |
| 00:27.00 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: Not quite. Eg, kmail and kopete are unlikely to be causing your problem |
| 00:27.03 | canllaith | so migrate those settings over |
| 00:27.10 | canllaith | konsole, kwrite, etc etc etc |
| 00:27.17 | jtw_kdetest | canllaith, my most important things are Konqueror bookmarks |
| 00:27.21 | jtw_kdetest | everything else is trivial |
| 00:27.25 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: Then you can copy them back over :) |
| 00:27.42 | canllaith | They are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror I believe |
| 00:27.43 | abydos | but your kickerrc is probably what's wrong. |
| 00:28.13 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: Just don't copy over your kickerrc or kwinrc... |
| 00:28.22 | abydos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.42 | jtw_kdetest | ah yes, I just found them, abydos |
| 00:28.44 | abydos | And I mean that as a wildcard, not an AOL-style correction |
| 00:29.05 | jtw_kdetest | hmm |
| 00:29.25 | jtw_kdetest | I made a few custom Kmenu items, where are they stored? |
| 00:29.36 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.02 | abydos | aren't they in ~/.kde/share/applnk |
| 00:30.13 | abydos | that would make the most sense to me. |
| 00:30.14 | canllaith | abydos: No, they are not. |
| 00:30.19 | jtw_kdetest | canllaith, is that the same as ~/.kde/share/config? I see a lot of files there |
| 00:30.23 | Renze | abydos: because KDE is using the freedesktop.org standard for cross-desktop compatability |
| 00:30.26 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: No it is not |
| 00:30.29 | abydos | ah. |
| 00:30.40 | abydos | standards screw me up. |
| 00:30.59 | jtw_kdetest | canllaith, where is this '.config' that you speak of? ~/.kde? |
| 00:31.01 | canllaith | abydos: Would be helpful if you didn't contradict people who do know what they are talking about :) |
| 00:31.07 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: No, ~/.config |
| 00:31.10 | Renze | jtw_kdetest: ~/.config/ |
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| 00:31.35 | jtw_kdetest | ah |
| 00:31.36 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.37 | jtw_kdetest | thank you |
| 00:31.38 | canllaith | To be precise. |
| 00:31.46 | jtw_kdetest | I can just leave the whole menu thing intact, right? |
| 00:31.48 | canllaith | I just can't be bothered using ~ on this keyboard it's so awkward. |
| 00:31.49 | canllaith | Yep |
| 00:32.01 | jtw_kdetest | You've been *very* helpful |
| 00:32.29 | Sweeper | anybody buy 3 ss20's for $20 + shipping? |
| 00:32.37 | jtw_kdetest | $ ls -a | grep kde |
| 00:32.37 | jtw_kdetest | .kde |
| 00:32.37 | jtw_kdetest | .kde.backup |
| 00:32.37 | jtw_kdetest | .kde3.3 |
| 00:32.37 | jtw_kdetest | .kderc |
| 00:32.41 | canllaith | heh |
| 00:32.48 | jtw_kdetest | which ones do I have to worry about? just .kde? |
| 00:32.57 | canllaith | jtw_kdetest: echo $KDEHOME |
| 00:33.04 | Renze | jtw_kdetest: .kde3.3, the .kde is just a symlink |
| 00:33.14 | jtw_kdetest | Renze, thank you |
| 00:34.03 | jtw_kdetest | KDE scares me somewhat because it is so big and complicated |
| 00:34.20 | canllaith | heh |
| 00:34.28 | Renze | do not fear the KDE :) |
| 00:34.38 | jepel_tailweaver | And I don't understand a lot of config stuff |
| 00:34.40 | jepel_tailweaver | but it was so cushy |
| 00:34.49 | jepel_tailweaver | I didn't want to go back to my harsh WindowMaker |
| 00:34.57 | abydos | kde is very cushy and customizable |
| 00:35.08 | abydos | wmaker has its place though |
| 00:35.09 | jepel_tailweaver | which is why I love it |
| 00:35.21 | abydos | the only one that I don't think has its place is gnome. |
| 00:35.23 | canllaith | kwin's configuration by window class and dcop makes it the most powerful unix desktop environment I have ever used. |
| 00:35.39 | canllaith | oooh and kiosk |
| 00:35.40 | abydos | gconf is pretty okay. |
| 00:35.44 | AC-130U | how so? |
| 00:35.44 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: what's dcop? is it something that is a pain to work with if it screws up? |
| 00:35.53 | abydos | but I don't like gcony. |
| 00:35.56 | abydos | err. |
| 00:36.00 | canllaith | dcop is the desktop communications protocol |
| 00:36.06 | abydos | gconf is okay, but I don't like it. |
| 00:36.06 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: dcop is a way of controlling apps from other apps, scripts, or command line |
| 00:36.16 | canllaith | It lets you send commands to stuff that supports it so you can control them from scripts or command line and stuff |
| 00:36.22 | canllaith | yeah what Renze said ;) |
| 00:36.27 | jepel_tailweaver | ahh |
| 00:36.44 | canllaith | The dcop call I use most often is dcop kicker kicker restart :P |
| 00:37.03 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith: does kicker give you a lot of problems? |
| 00:37.06 | AC-130U | hmm |
| 00:37.08 | Dhraakellian | now playing: Bel Canto - The Glassmaker |
| 00:37.21 | Dhraakellian | that was done with dcop |
| 00:37.37 | canllaith | :) |
| 00:37.53 | Dhraakellian | amaroK: exec -o ~/bin/amarok-nowplaying.sh |
| 00:38.02 | jepel_tailweaver | Whee!!! The sweet KDE startup sound happily greets my ears! |
| 00:38.11 | Dhraakellian | $ cat ~/bin/amarok-nowplaying.sh |
| 00:38.11 | Dhraakellian | #!/bin/bash |
| 00:38.11 | Dhraakellian | echo "now playing: `dcop amarok player nowPlaying`" |
| 00:38.17 | jepel_tailweaver | aRts used to give me a lot of grief |
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| 00:39.18 | jepel_tailweaver | hmm |
| 00:39.22 | Renze | Dhraakellian: pick up a cheap SBLive :) |
| 00:39.34 | jepel_tailweaver | The Bookmark Editor doesn't seem to have an option to import KDE3 bookmarks |
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| 00:40.09 | abydos | just put them in the corresponding folder |
| 00:40.20 | Renze | Dhraakellian: Soundblaster Live soundcard... does mixing in hardware |
| 00:40.21 | abydos | sound blaster live, Dhraakellian |
| 00:40.38 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 00:40.50 | Sweeper | jepel_tailweaver: erm....' |
| 00:41.06 | jepel_tailweaver | I fear KDE somewhat |
| 00:41.08 | Dhraakellian | so, does everyone know about the "run command" keyboard shortcut? |
| 00:41.17 | abydos | alt-f2 |
| 00:41.21 | jepel_tailweaver | I remember that in KDE 1 it was Alt-F2 |
| 00:41.24 | jepel_tailweaver | oh, it hasn't changed? |
| 00:41.30 | Dhraakellian | sure, abydos... go and spoil the joke |
| 00:41.36 | abydos | Dhraakellian: sorry. |
| 00:41.41 | canllaith | *sigh* abydos you need to learn the ropes of #kde |
| 00:41.46 | abydos | Dhraakellian: could have said it was a joke. |
| 00:41.52 | canllaith | Dhraakellian answers all keyboard shortcut related questions. |
| 00:42.00 | Dhraakellian | abydos: probably better this way |
| 00:42.04 | canllaith | The ensuing mirth is worth holding back your helpfulness for ;) |
| 00:42.17 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: just with _gelO |
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| 00:42.40 | abydos | I had the days I did that too. |
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| 00:43.23 | Sweeper | .... |
| 00:43.26 | abydos | http://asittler.brad-x.com/altf4.html |
| 00:43.37 | Sweeper | irssi >>>>>>>> xcha |
| 00:43.43 | abydos | oy, naught wrong with irssi |
| 00:43.56 | Triad2000 | google searching |
| 00:43.56 | abydos | but I wouldn't go as far as Sweeper did |
| 00:44.05 | Sweeper | abydos: can you run xchat in screen? |
| 00:44.18 | abydos | Sweeper: no, you can not. |
| 00:44.23 | Sweeper | exactly! |
| 00:44.26 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 00:44.27 | canllaith | irssi rocks |
| 00:44.34 | abydos | canllaith: Yes, it does. |
| 00:44.37 | Sweeper | can you do perl scripting in xchat? |
| 00:44.37 | Dhraakellian | I use irssi when I can't get to X |
| 00:44.40 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 00:44.45 | abydos | Sweeper: yes |
| 00:44.50 | Dhraakellian | perl, python, tcl/tk, I think |
| 00:45.10 | abydos | perl is like awk with its head cut off |
| 00:45.11 | Renze | Dhraakellian: good time to learn :) |
| 00:45.24 | Sweeper | abydos: awk sucsk fat 80's as |
| 00:45.28 | Sweeper | *ass |
| 00:45.34 | abydos | sucks* |
| 00:45.37 | Sweeper | that too |
| 00:45.45 | abydos | s/perl/awk |
| 00:45.48 | abydos | err |
| 00:45.52 | abydos | s/awk/perl |
| 00:45.54 | jepel_tailweaver | awk can be handy, but it's been pretty much 0wned by the practical extraction and reporting language |
| 00:46.09 | abydos | awk/sed 4 eva! |
| 00:46.18 | Dhraakellian | pathetically eclectic rubbish lister? |
| 00:46.24 | jepel_tailweaver | you young whippersnappers with sed |
| 00:46.30 | jepel_tailweaver | ed is the standard text editor |
| 00:46.46 | canllaith | oi |
| 00:46.56 | Sweeper | ed? sed? what is this? cat ownz you all! |
| 00:47.00 | abydos | just kidding, I don't know either stream editor or ass-working krap |
| 00:47.01 | Dhraakellian | (according to the O'Reilly Learning Perl book, both are endorsed by Larry Wall) |
| 00:47.28 | abydos | and I don't like vi. It's all about vim |
| 00:47.31 | abydos | and emacs. |
| 00:47.36 | abydos | both have their place |
| 00:47.40 | jepel_tailweaver | I like nano, kwrite, and gedit |
| 00:48.00 | Sweeper | for GUI, ti's all about KATE |
| 00:48.00 | abydos | actually, I'd lay 10 bucks on jepel_tailweaver being younger than me. |
| 00:48.08 | jepel_tailweaver | abydos, I'd lay more than that |
| 00:48.11 | Sweeper | for terminal, vi is fine |
| 00:48.12 | abydos | nano is for pussies |
| 00:48.19 | Dhraakellian | (note: I've never really used kate...) |
| 00:48.37 | abydos | pussies unless their name is canllaith |
| 00:48.39 | canllaith | Kate is very very nice. |
| 00:48.43 | Sweeper | jepel_tailweaver: then why are you using nano? |
| 00:48.53 | canllaith | Actually I use pico. |
| 00:48.54 | abydos | edits don't belong in a GUI. |
| 00:48.57 | canllaith | Well I'm not sure what I used :| |
| 00:49.01 | jepel_tailweaver | Sweeper, because it's fast and easy and I think that vi gets in my way |
| 00:49.05 | abydos | ah, see, nano is for pussies |
| 00:49.13 | canllaith | On the few systems that have nano and not pine |
| 00:49.16 | jepel_tailweaver | I'm a young whippersnapper, you see, I grew up with notepad on windows |
| 00:49.24 | abydos | edits belong in a terminal |
| 00:49.25 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.30 | canllaith | :D |
| 00:49.53 | canllaith | It's a computer, not a religion, get a life. |
| 00:49.59 | abydos | ln -s /dev/urandom /usr/bin/nano |
| 00:50.00 | Sweeper | abydos: tabbed editing + code collapsing + context highlighting + builtin shell window - having to use 7 fingers for commands = kate |
| 00:50.04 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, it's never been better said |
| 00:50.22 | abydos | ah, but I Just Edit, Damnii. |
| 00:50.23 | jepel_tailweaver | Sweeper, I think I might like Kate for messing with server confs |
| 00:50.28 | abydos | so I use vim |
| 00:50.39 | jepel_tailweaver | One can edit a config file with kate, then restart the server with the builtin shell |
| 00:50.41 | canllaith | Kate is very nice for perl... ooh and xml! |
| 00:50.54 | abydos | seriously, we should make a vim fork and call it Jed for Just Edit, Damnit. |
| 00:50.56 | canllaith | being able to use the builtin shell for checkXML is nice at 1024x768 |
| 00:51.19 | abydos | I know. |
| 00:51.27 | abydos | but it is not simple to use. |
| 00:51.28 | jepel_tailweaver | call it aoe |
| 00:51.44 | jepel_tailweaver | aoe ->abydos (or albert)'s own editor |
| 00:51.56 | abydos | Actually, what I used to be in love with for quickie edits was e3 |
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| 00:52.14 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.17 | Dhraakellian | "If you want to embed your text editor into your IDE, use Vim; if you want to embed your IDE into your text editor, use emacs." |
| 00:52.19 | abydos | e3em, to be precise, as I didn't know vim keybindings. |
| 00:52.21 | Sweeper | jepel_tailweaver: eh, I dunno. I usually only have the shell open when I doing C++ or C |
| 00:52.24 | canllaith | emacs nox takes a few seconds to load on my old gateway |
| 00:52.30 | Dhraakellian | -- my dad |
| 00:52.36 | abydos | e3 ist die beste |
| 00:53.11 | jepel_tailweaver | why does KDE only come with 4 virtual desktops by default? am I the only one that needs 6? |
| 00:53.25 | canllaith | Because 4 is a number greater than 0 and less than 20 |
| 00:53.25 | abydos | jepel_tailweaver: it's a simple reconfiguration. |
| 00:53.32 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: I've never needed more than three :) |
| 00:53.44 | abydos | I never used more than 4. |
| 00:53.57 | abydos | I only use 1 now |
| 00:54.01 | canllaith | heh one nice thing about using putty |
| 00:54.07 | canllaith | hdd powers down |
| 00:54.09 | canllaith | silence. |
| 00:54.20 | brucehoult | I like 8 or 9 on a work machine, but need 2-dimensional layout to manage them |
| 00:54.23 | abydos | one bad thing about using putty is that you have to use windoms |
| 00:54.27 | Dhraakellian | jepel_tailweaver: you're in the minority, perhaps? |
| 00:54.27 | Renze | whoops |
| 00:54.32 | canllaith | :P |
| 00:54.34 | jepel_tailweaver | Dhraakellian, I should have thought of that |
| 00:54.36 | Dhraakellian | which is why 6 isn't the default? |
| 00:54.38 | Renze | beep! |
| 00:54.51 | canllaith | abydos: Really? You mean I am NOT using a unix? |
| 00:54.56 | canllaith | My god! I never noticed! |
| 00:54.58 | abydos | erm. |
| 00:55.10 | brucehoult | it's not as if it's hard to change anyway |
| 00:55.11 | abydos | unless you're using the linux port. |
| 00:55.23 | brucehoult | canllaith: but but but .. it's posix-certified |
| 00:55.24 | abydos | which I'd lay odds you aren't., |
| 00:55.41 | canllaith | </sarcasm> |
| 00:55.54 | jepel_tailweaver | My brothers and sisters of KDE, please forgive me, I have not yet cleansed every last trace of the scourge that is GNOME from my system |
| 00:55.54 | canllaith | brucehoult: I have to admit, as much as I hate your powerbook I would infinitely prefer an ibook to what I am using now. |
| 00:56.04 | canllaith | Meh I have gnome on my system |
| 00:56.18 | canllaith | I wasn't aware KDE demanded that we worshipped no idles. |
| 00:56.20 | canllaith | erm |
| 00:56.22 | canllaith | idols* |
| 00:56.37 | brucehoult | lol .. you're thinking of upstairs... |
| 00:56.40 | abydos | I worship an 800rpm Mazda idle |
| 00:56.41 | canllaith | hahahahaha |
| 00:56.47 | canllaith | brucehoult: Now be nice :P |
| 00:56.51 | jepel_tailweaver | I'd worship an Apple laptop if I had one |
| 00:56.59 | abydos | hm. |
| 00:56.59 | canllaith | sod I don't have elinks installed |
| 00:57.13 | brucehoult | canllaith, nice about the worship, or the idle? |
| 00:57.17 | abydos | at the instant jepel_tailweaver said that, this song cam on |
| 00:57.27 | jepel_tailweaver | hehe |
| 00:57.29 | abydos | coincidence? |
| 00:57.46 | canllaith | Hey grepper ! |
| 00:58.46 | canllaith | heh I might be if my screen session ono gateway hasn't died yet |
| 00:58.52 | canllaith | on * |
| 00:59.27 | Dhraakellian | which is fairly new |
| 01:00.17 | abydos | oh, good god, I hate those things. |
| 01:00.26 | grepper | CANLLAITH ! |
| 01:00.52 | abydos | hey everybody, let's be the reason noone joins irc and see how long we can idle, hur hur hur |
| 01:01.07 | canllaith | grepper: ... yes? *hides* |
| 01:01.15 | abydos | that's up there with efnet's no-services-you-stupid-fuck policy. |
| 01:01.42 | grepper | sorry, too much coffee |
| 01:02.16 | Dhraakellian | abydos: well, if I'm going to have xchat open 24/7 anyway, why not? |
| 01:02.46 | abydos | Renze: no, I mean without becoming addicted or having one-eyed kids someday |
| 01:03.09 | Renze | abydos: you did't specify that in the original statement, so that's all you get :) |
| 01:03.12 | abydos | Dhraakellian: yeah, but an entire channel |
| 01:03.24 | abydos | Renze: oh well, I can always feed them to your dog |
| 01:03.50 | Renze | abydos: that's cool... I don't have a dog :) |
| 01:03.57 | abydos | Renze: you do now |
| 01:04.11 | abydos | Renze: and it's a valium addict. |
| 01:04.23 | Dhraakellian | abydos: I was also around when it started on that network, so I had the chance to be fairly high in it |
| 01:04.28 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 01:05.18 | Renze | abydos: that's cool... I don't have a doorstep :) |
| 01:05.27 | abydos | ah, fuck. |
| 01:05.54 | abydos | jesus, what do you live, in a cardboard box in a metro sidestreet? |
| 01:06.14 | Renze | abydos: in a house, without a doorstep, or a dog |
| 01:06.58 | Renze | abydos: that's cool... it's not my front door :) |
| 01:06.59 | abydos | hah, tell me you don't have a front door, beeyotch! |
| 01:07.04 | abydos | ... |
| 01:08.01 | Renze | abydos: that's cool... we have two toilets :) |
| 01:08.04 | abydos | ... |
| 01:08.11 | abydos | Good god. |
| 01:08.16 | illogical | o_0 |
| 01:08.25 | illogical | the msn search bot was indexing my site |
| 01:08.35 | abydos | No dog, no doorstep, the front door isn't yours, and you have 2 toilets... |
| 01:08.39 | Renze | illogical: do you feel unclean? |
| 01:08.50 | illogical | violated even |
| 01:09.24 | abydos | I had the AOL search bot index mine, illogical |
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| 01:09.35 | abydos | I felt like crying afterwards |
| 01:10.10 | illogical | Mediapartners-Google/2.1 wonder if that's the googlebot? |
| 01:11.03 | abydos | The only thing that would have made me feel worse is if George W. Bush visited my website and downloaded one of my cleverly-disguised pieces of hot cat-on-porcupine pr0n |
| 01:11.07 | abydos | aka my mp3s |
| 01:11.24 | canllaith | The googlebot shows up as googlebot |
| 01:11.44 | abydos | and then came back for more. |
| 01:12.32 | abydos | every time I look at Bush, I feel an urge to throw a peeled banana at the output device. |
| 01:13.12 | Renze | abydos: that's OK, us non-Americans just don't care :) |
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| 01:14.22 | abydos | Renze: that's cool too. |
| 01:14.48 | abydos | I use that at school |
| 01:15.05 | abydos | at home I run a very stripped firefox. |
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| 01:15.38 | abydos | links. |
| 01:15.40 | abydos | mmm |
| 01:15.46 | canllaith | Don't have elinks built on hal it seems. |
| 01:15.50 | abydos | everyone loves links |
| 01:16.03 | abydos | elinks == links + ? |
| 01:16.10 | canllaith | elinks is links with tabs and stuff |
| 01:16.13 | abydos | mmm |
| 01:16.14 | canllaith | tabs!! ncurses tabs!!! |
| 01:16.18 | abydos | sounds spiffy |
| 01:16.23 | abydos | mouse support? |
| 01:16.36 | canllaith | yes |
| 01:16.51 | abydos | I found a nice feature of giftcurs |
| 01:17.27 | abydos | if you're over a remote ssh connection, you can use the mouse instead of the f-keys or arrow keys |
| 01:17.45 | canllaith | yeah I'm using links via ssh and clickin on stuff |
| 01:17.59 | abydos | really handy when you have to use mindterm from a macintosh |
| 01:19.19 | abydos | damnit, what music am I in the mood for |
| 01:19.41 | Renze | bluegrass :) |
| 01:19.57 | canllaith | Would be nice to have an irssi theme like xchat |
| 01:19.58 | abydos | led zeppelin doesn't really tickle ye olde pickle right now, but Linkin Park is too heavy |
| 01:20.04 | canllaith | where all the nicks were pretty colours |
| 01:20.14 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:20.18 | abydos | simon & garfunkel sound right nice, or the Stones |
| 01:20.27 | abydos | S&G it is. |
| 01:21.07 | abydos | I turned xchat nick colors off |
| 01:21.37 | Ambient | what's the best place to look for KDE development material? i'd like to do some simple KDE program with Qt |
| 01:21.47 | Ambient | kde.org:s development pages? |
| 01:21.54 | abydos | Ambient: yeah. |
| 01:21.57 | Renze | Ambient: developer.kde.org |
| 01:22.25 | abydos | Ambient: I recommend reading the QT manual, and try using QT Designer first |
| 01:22.34 | Ambient | it would be nice if there was some tutorial in which an example program is built while walking through the tutorial :P |
| 01:22.38 | abydos | though I can't use that with sid |
| 01:22.58 | Ambient | abydos: ok, thanks |
| 01:23.05 | abydos | ahh, calming oldies |
| 01:23.21 | abydos | almost as relaxing as the Beatles or the lighter Stones |
| 01:23.28 | abydos | Ambient: you're quite welcome |
| 01:24.21 | Dhraakellian | Ambient: #kde-devel too |
| 01:24.35 | Dhraakellian | perhaps? |
| 01:24.41 | abydos | yeah, they weren't that helpful last time I went there. |
| 01:24.56 | Dhraakellian | abydos: darn you with your bold text in the /me |
| 01:25.05 | Dhraakellian | abydos is yellow in xchat |
| 01:25.18 | Dhraakellian | I keep thinking that someone set off my highlights |
| 01:25.23 | abydos | It was about 6 months ago, so it might have changed |
| 01:25.32 | abydos | Dhraakellian is yellow in xchat |
| 01:26.04 | abydos | but I turned off nick colorization |
| 01:26.11 | Dhraakellian | abydos: if some one sets off my highlights, their nick shows up as bold yellow |
| 01:26.17 | abydos | mine too |
| 01:28.34 | grepper | orange |
| 01:29.24 | Dhraakellian | 07orange? |
| 01:29.33 | Dhraakellian | I don't believe I've seen any orange nicks |
| 01:29.39 | grepper | redish orange ;) |
| 01:29.42 | Ambient | Dhraakellian: that is brown |
| 01:30.02 | Dhraakellian | what color code would orange be? |
| 01:30.03 | grepper | my monitor gamma is strange |
| 01:30.07 | Dhraakellian | that was 7 |
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| 01:30.22 | gilles | hi |
| 01:30.37 | grepper | 04Dhraakellian |
| 01:30.45 | grepper | hm, you are right, its red |
| 01:30.48 | Dhraakellian | that's red on mine |
| 01:30.54 | grepper | lousy red imho |
| 01:30.57 | Ambient | looks pink |
| 01:30.57 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:31.08 | Renze | bright red |
| 01:31.24 | gilles | my sound doesn't work, kde gives me the following error msg: device: default can't be open for playback |
| 01:31.27 | Dhraakellian | 4red 5dark red |
| 01:31.33 | canllaith | eeeeek |
| 01:31.33 | gilles | what shall i do ? |
| 01:31.34 | grepper | 13grepper is a manly black |
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| 01:32.54 | Ambient | i should also use just alsa, artsd causes problems |
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| 01:33.03 | Ambient | because alsa also has mixing capabilities |
| 01:33.11 | blackout | grepper, more like a pansy purple. |
| 01:33.34 | Ambient | gilles: are you using which sound daemons? |
| 01:33.43 | grepper | bah |
| 01:33.44 | Ambient | and what is your program which does not work |
| 01:34.13 | gilles | Ambient: esound |
| 01:34.34 | Ambient | gilles: aargh ;( |
| 01:34.48 | Ambient | i'd suggest use ALSA |
| 01:34.58 | gilles | i use alsa |
| 01:35.03 | Ambient | and in KDE there is artsd, no need for esd |
| 01:35.20 | Dhraakellian | which is better/worse of the two daemons? |
| 01:35.22 | Ambient | i haven't used esound so can't help, sorry |
| 01:35.39 | Ambient | i think esd is infinitely inferior to anything |
| 01:35.51 | Ambient | but that's just me |
| 01:36.35 | Ambient | option 1) use only ALSA, 2) use artsd on ALSA |
| 01:36.53 | gilles | Ambient: how to use artsd on alsa ? |
| 01:37.05 | Ambient | i think that is distro spesific |
| 01:37.14 | gilles | i use debian |
| 01:37.19 | Ambient | my gentoo did it automathically |
| 01:37.20 | AC-130U | solaris kde sound subsystem works much better than debian linux/sparc's sound subsystem (because the base subsystem in debian/sparc is a bit broke) |
| 01:37.24 | Ambient | gilles: try #debian |
| 01:37.26 | Dhraakellian | kcontrol > sound & multimedia > sound system > hardware |
| 01:37.47 | gilles | nobody can help on #debian |
| 01:38.20 | Dhraakellian | there's a "Select the audio device" dropdown |
| 01:38.23 | Ambient | if i were you i'd wipe debian and install gentoo (don't take this as a flamebait please, just my personal honest opinion) |
| 01:38.24 | gilles | i have already asked for many days |
| 01:38.41 | grepper | gilles: I use debian - what was the question ? |
| 01:39.12 | gilles | grepper: the sound doesn't work (except when playing audio CDs) on my system |
| 01:39.31 | Dhraakellian | Ambient: if I had been more confident in my handling of the debian install process back in january, I'd probably be on debian right now |
| 01:39.32 | grepper | you are using artsd ? |
| 01:40.05 | Ambient | Dhraakellian: well, Debian install process wiped my boot partition and did not install anything, after much trouble i got it working it was too hard to configure, hence gentoo |
| 01:40.10 | gilles | grepper: i don't know, i think i'm using esound |
| 01:40.23 | grepper | oh, you are using gnome ? |
| 01:40.30 | grepper | or another wm ? |
| 01:40.51 | gilles | grepper: i use kde or gnome, i haven't really make a choice yet |
| 01:41.12 | grepper | which one are you in now ? |
| 01:42.27 | Dhraakellian | Ambient: as I said, debian was a bit confusing for me with the installation, so I installed gentoo |
| 01:42.27 | gilles | grepper: gnome for "gilles" user on tty7 and kde under root on tty8 |
| 01:42.37 | Ambient | Dhraakellian: ok |
| 01:42.56 | Dhraakellian | but the install process was pretty much the only reason |
| 01:43.01 | grepper | hm, possibly you have 2 sound servers running at the same time then |
| 01:43.19 | Dhraakellian | and it is possible to have arts output to esd |
| 01:43.30 | gilles | grepper: but it doesn't work even when just running one |
| 01:43.34 | Renze | Dhraakellian: why would you want to? |
| 01:44.01 | grepper | gilles: does it work if you turn off both sound servers ? |
| 01:44.09 | Dhraakellian | Renze: possibly if you wanted to use apps that use esd and arts that use artsd at the same time? |
| 01:44.20 | gilles | grepper: how to do that ? |
| 01:44.23 | Renze | Dhraakellian: what a horrible mess that would be |
| 01:44.27 | grepper | gilles: PM me |
| 01:44.47 | gilles | grepper: what ? |
| 01:44.52 | canllaith | does anyone know a good console msn client apart from centericq? |
| 01:45.10 | canllaith | centericq showing the buddy list all the time takes up far too much space. |
| 01:46.04 | Dhraakellian | I think I had dmix working at one point |
| 01:46.16 | Dhraakellian | it's on my list of things to do at some point |
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| 02:03.27 | jcw | Can someone please remind me where the configuration option that specs whether a single click or double click launches an application? |
| 02:03.52 | jepel_tailweaver | jcw, K-Menu, Settings, Desktop Settings Wizard has it |
| 02:05.06 | jcw | OK. Do you know where it might be in the Control Center? |
| 02:08.20 | canllaith | All I can think of is either under Peripherals->Mouse |
| 02:08.52 | jcw | That's exactly where it is. Thanks. |
| 02:08.55 | jcw | Most illogical. |
| 02:08.55 | canllaith | :) |
| 02:09.44 | jcw | I didn't even think to look there, since I was determined it should be appearance and themes or desktop related. |
| 02:09.50 | canllaith | Indeed |
| 02:10.05 | canllaith | I have spent far too much time going through the KDE control center |
| 02:10.13 | jcw | What I'd *really* like is a way to export a complete KDE configuration. So when you're moving to a new machine, you can take your happy settings with you. |
| 02:10.13 | canllaith | if it was not for that I'd have agreed with you :P |
| 02:10.25 | canllaith | jcw: Tar up .kde and .config :) |
| 02:10.35 | jcw | Is that viable? |
| 02:10.37 | Dhraakellian | true, it could use a couple things being moved, but I like it better than gnome-control-center |
| 02:10.43 | canllaith | jcw: Depends on the config. |
| 02:10.51 | jcw | I thought there was some unique session IDs or something. |
| 02:10.55 | canllaith | Eg, if you have kopete and kwallet stuff you will have to move it to a user account of the same name. |
| 02:11.03 | jcw | Fonts are the biggest deal. |
| 02:11.03 | canllaith | Nah I just reinstalled my desktop, leaving /home intact? |
| 02:11.16 | canllaith | all my .kde stuff just *worked* even though i had a different uid on the new system |
| 02:11.28 | jcw | Cool. That would have saved me a little trouble. |
| 02:13.06 | Dhraakellian | of course, when upgrading KDE, I usually cp or mv my .kdeX.Y dir |
| 02:13.23 | canllaith | heh neko |
| 02:13.24 | neko | i quickly learned my lesson by the next install o.o;; |
| 02:13.42 | canllaith | well on desktop. Laptop hdds are less appropriate to slice and dice. |
| 02:14.06 | neko | now i just have an entire HDD for /home |
| 02:14.16 | Dhraakellian | instead, I have 25GB sitting unused in an ntfs partition |
| 02:14.25 | neko | i was looking at some system i read about in a magazine once |
| 02:14.34 | Dhraakellian | that's another thing on my list of "stuff to take care of some time" |
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| 02:15.16 | neko | it's kind of like a filesystem that you run on several HDDs and you can alter the partition sizes at will |
| 02:15.36 | Renze | neko: LVM? |
| 02:15.38 | neko | i decided it was beyond my level of installation knowledge though |
| 02:15.45 | neko | that sounds like it |
| 02:16.14 | Renze | only one HDD in this box :) |
| 02:16.44 | neko | i may well try using it for my 64 machine when i get around to buying/building it |
| 02:17.05 | thiago | LVM isn't a partition, nor filesystem |
| 02:17.08 | thiago | but you should use it |
| 02:17.38 | neko | when i have a second main machine i can afford to play around a little |
| 02:17.54 | neko | safe in the knowledge that i have a decent setup to use while i learn |
| 02:18.38 | neko | besides, on the 64 box i wont have any windows whatsoever, and having an entire HDD just for / will be too much of a waste |
| 02:18.55 | thiago | then LVM is the way to go |
| 02:19.28 | neko | yeah |
| 02:19.42 | aseigo | neko: lvm is really simple to do w/YAST... well, relatively so.. much like setting up a raid array |
| 02:19.44 | neko | getting it to work will be the only problem |
| 02:20.03 | Renze | hola aseigo |
| 02:20.10 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: one large partition kind of sucks for upgrades =) |
| 02:20.11 | neko | ok, i've /heard/ of YAST, but that's about it |
| 02:20.12 | aseigo | Renze: hola |
| 02:20.21 | aseigo | neko: it's pretty amazing. |
| 02:20.29 | neko | Yet Another...? |
| 02:20.34 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: upgrades of what sort? |
| 02:20.41 | Dhraakellian | neko: setup tool |
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| 02:20.52 | canllaith | hey aseigo :) |
| 02:20.58 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: OS upgrades. i love to be able to unmount the /home dir and totally rework my / |
| 02:21.07 | jepel_tailweaver | I'm installing Fedora Core 3 in VMware and it's using LVM |
| 02:21.09 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 02:21.12 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: or if i have multiple OS images to keep my /home dir and use it with different / |
| 02:21.15 | neko | thanks |
| 02:21.27 | canllaith | Yep I do that |
| 02:21.28 | aseigo | neko: it's SUSE's system management panel |
| 02:21.29 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: gentoo doesn't really have upgrades like that |
| 02:21.35 | canllaith | slack 9.1/slack 10 and mandrake 10 all share the same / |
| 02:21.39 | neko | gah |
| 02:21.39 | canllaith | erm |
| 02:21.42 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.46 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.48 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: dude, as a gentoo user, i'll just say you're wrong =) |
| 02:21.58 | neko | i'll be using Gentoo for the 64 box |
| 02:22.02 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: heh |
| 02:22.15 | jepel_tailweaver | my favourite thing about gentoo is that you don't have to reinstall |
| 02:22.18 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: they have incremental updates, but there are also times when i like to redo the install, or have multiple OSes going (but not multiple /home's) |
| 02:22.46 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 02:22.56 | aseigo | canllaith: N, for some large value of N |
| 02:22.56 | Dhraakellian | I will admit that the setup I have here isn't the smartest |
| 02:23.05 | Sweeper | leeeeeenoooks |
| 02:23.33 | canllaith | aseigo: For all values of N where N is 'far too many' |
| 02:23.33 | aseigo | canllaith: =) |
| 02:23.35 | canllaith | I think I'll wipe slack 9.1 since I haven't booted into it in *forever* and put mandrake or suse on it |
| 02:23.53 | canllaith | So I can see what the magical mystical rpm people have been up to |
| 02:23.55 | aseigo | canllaith: N, set of elements of the set of all possible OSes |
| 02:24.02 | neko | you have to worry when you get partition identifiers in double figures ;o) |
| 02:24.04 | jcw | Now to figure out which fonts I need... Sigh. Linux & fonts are not two words that go well together. |
| 02:24.24 | canllaith | aseigo: You start to wonder if you're obsessed when you have not only different oses but different versions of the *same* os |
| 02:24.29 | canllaith | Which reminds me I need to reinstall solaris. |
| 02:24.37 | jcw | Solaris? |
| 02:24.43 | aseigo | canllaith: ha.. indeed ... |
| 02:24.51 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, you're obsessed ;) |
| 02:24.52 | jcw | Would you like a nice blade 100 to accompany that Solaris install? |
| 02:24.59 | Sweeper | :) |
| 02:25.00 | Sweeper | yes |
| 02:25.08 | aseigo | "obsession is that state whch those who aren't interested enough don't understand." |
| 02:25.09 | canllaith | unfortunately it's slowaris x86 |
| 02:25.17 | canllaith | Or aren't bored enough :) |
| 02:25.29 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, I tried to install solaris/x86 before |
| 02:25.30 | jcw | 640MB, 20GB 10K Barracuda, 733Mhz Celeron co-processor board, plus all the usual blade 100 peripherials. |
| 02:25.50 | jepel_tailweaver | canllaith, it took me like 20 minutes to figure out how to start the second part of the install |
| 02:25.51 | canllaith | I want to get one with the x86 coprocessor! |
| 02:26.04 | jcw | Original boxes, keyboard, mouse, etc. $800. |
| 02:26.09 | thiago | canllaith: the 486? |
| 02:26.13 | thiago | canllaith: or the 386? |
| 02:26.25 | neko | is it obsession if you've considered having a rack in your bedroom? |
| 02:26.37 | jepel_tailweaver | neko, yes |
| 02:26.39 | aseigo | neko: only if by "rack" you mean "computers" |
| 02:26.43 | jcw | Buy now, I'll even toss in a second 45GB Deskstar drive. |
| 02:26.46 | neko | oh, damn o.o;; |
| 02:26.57 | Renze | mmmmm... rack... |
| 02:26.58 | jepel_tailweaver | neko, especially if it's because you sleep on a bed of computer cases |
| 02:27.05 | jcw | I'm always looking for a nice rack. |
| 02:27.11 | aseigo | jcw: ... for the bedroom |
| 02:27.19 | Sweeper | aseigo: even mroe so! |
| 02:27.33 | neko | jepel: i'm not that bad yet, but i have considered curling up around a running computer for warmth |
| 02:27.38 | neko | "share body heat" |
| 02:27.43 | Renze | kinky |
| 02:27.47 | jepel_tailweaver | neko, neko neko |
| 02:27.49 | jcw | Yea, really. |
| 02:27.53 | jcw | Just watch for the fan blades. |
| 02:27.55 | jepel_tailweaver | neko, tout l'espoir est perdu |
| 02:28.01 | jepel_tailweaver | (all hope is lost) |
| 02:28.01 | neko | what can I say? Mai loves me really :oP |
| 02:28.06 | jepel_tailweaver | Mai? |
| 02:28.15 | aseigo | (yes, all those years ago) |
| 02:28.17 | neko | the computer I'm on atm |
| 02:28.24 | neko | she's called Mai |
| 02:28.44 | Dhraakellian | methinks neko might just be obsessed |
| 02:28.59 | neko | with anicrack or computers? |
| 02:29.00 | neko | ;o) |
| 02:29.52 | jcw | I have too many computers in here as it is. The rest of the house is like a meatlocker, trying to keep it cool enough in my office. |
| 02:30.14 | Renze | Dhraakellian: same here... I don't assign a gender to my computer :) |
| 02:30.30 | Dhraakellian | although Alatar would be a male name, I think |
| 02:30.41 | Dhraakellian | since I don't think any of the Istari were female |
| 02:30.43 | neko | Dhraak! you'll hurt their feelings :oO |
| 02:30.46 | jcw | Time to see if the font voodoo still works. Thanks for the help. |
| 02:31.04 | Dhraakellian | if we got a Mac for my mom, I'd probably suggest that it get named Melian |
| 02:31.55 | Dhraakellian | except for the p75 print server, Irwin, which was named long before the convention started, all of our computers in this house are named after Istari |
| 02:32.07 | Renze | Iswhati? |
| 02:32.09 | Dhraakellian | but that could be extended to all Maiar |
| 02:32.17 | Dhraakellian | Renze: the Wizards in LotR |
| 02:32.31 | Renze | Dhraakellian: ah |
| 02:33.14 | Renze | Dhraakellian: wouldn't that be "the wizards in middle earth" as not all of them are mentioned in LotR :) |
| 02:33.15 | Dhraakellian | Palando is still untaken, and I used to refer to my dad's Win98 partition as Saruman |
| 02:33.23 | thiago | Dhraakellian: it would have to happen some time or another, since there are only 5 wizards |
| 02:33.32 | Dhraakellian | Renze: but they weren't always in middle earth |
| 02:34.59 | thiago | Gibson? That reminds me of a now-old movie about hackers |
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| 02:35.15 | thiago | one with Early Edition's Chuck |
| 02:35.15 | Renze | thiago: no, it's after William Gibson, of Neuromancer fame |
| 02:35.27 | aseigo | ... which that was a reference to in Hackers |
| 02:36.10 | Renze | except for Angelina Jolie, of course :) |
| 02:36.30 | aseigo | bah... if you consider the movie to be an abstraction of reality, it's fine |
| 02:36.42 | Renze | it's a little TOO abstract :) |
| 02:36.48 | aseigo | well, except that they don't use KDE even ONCE goddamnit |
| 02:36.57 | aseigo | er, the conversation back on topic |
| 02:37.34 | thiago | there's a reason why Kandalf got that name :) |
| 02:38.07 | Dhraakellian | which is? |
| 02:38.23 | Dhraakellian | the one faithful of the istari? |
| 02:41.55 | Renze | Dhraakellian: so which machine is called Radagast? |
| 02:42.33 | Dhraakellian | radagast is the 400MHz celeron |
| 02:42.41 | Dhraakellian | Alatar is the only one I named |
| 02:43.23 | Dhraakellian | thiago: dude! another sevilian? |
| 02:43.31 | thiago | Dhraakellian: yep :) |
| 02:43.42 | lyy | Anyone know how of a way to perform mass conversion of MS Office files to OpenOffice files? I have like 1000+ word, excel, access files I need to convert and don't want to do it by hand. |
| 02:43.59 | Dhraakellian | since the JS's are at an inconvenient time for me |
| 02:44.08 | thiago | and now it's time to get up-to-date |
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