| 00:00.32 | napster | thiago: i lost my background, my system tray icons, etc |
| 00:00.32 | orville | urg. it didn't even save my settings for startup |
| 00:00.40 | napster | slackd00d: what about debian ? |
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| 00:01.48 | illogic-al | wow. |
| 00:02.00 | illogic-al | I joined just in time to see myself quit |
| 00:02.43 | sredna | From within the same client?! |
| 00:02.54 | illogical | sredna, yup. |
| 00:03.47 | illogical | is there a site for that project yet? |
| 00:05.29 | sredna | I think it is really the worst idea ive heard of. Why port good software to a bad OS? People would then be able to use kde without switching away from windows, and KDE will suffer from the insecurity of that OS |
| 00:05.39 | sredna | Completely crazy |
| 00:05.58 | sredna | And unnessecary, last time I checked, windows HAD a desktop |
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| 00:06.33 | aseigo_work | it's nice for Windows users, bad for KDE |
| 00:07.11 | Mirell[M] | They've managed to get KDE to work with Cygwin, so I recall. |
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| 00:07.25 | sredna | aseigo_work: So we should do it because we love windows users so much that we want to damage ourselves? |
| 00:07.54 | Renze | back to konversation again... much better |
| 00:08.35 | jonas22 | do you still need to pay a license for qt-win |
| 00:09.17 | jonas22 | getting it to work on cygwin is different cause you can use qt-x11 |
| 00:09.35 | aseigo_work | sredna: not at all |
| 00:09.45 | aseigo_work | sredna: in fact, i'm not in favour of windows ports |
| 00:09.57 | sredna | Is there a licence I can use that forbids using my software under windows? |
| 00:10.09 | aseigo_work | sredna: not an open source one |
| 00:10.23 | sredna | Hm, I might go closed source... |
| 00:10.41 | sredna | I can still link to kdelibs under lgpl, right? |
| 00:11.11 | aseigo_work | yes |
| 00:11.49 | aseigo_work | i don't think its worth abandoning Open Source licenses though |
| 00:11.53 | aseigo_work | that's also a retrograde step |
| 00:12.07 | sredna | Na, I wouldn't do that :) |
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| 00:12.29 | illogical | sredna, what about those who want to use KDE while under windows? |
| 00:12.29 | sredna | I just dislike the idea of running kde in windows really bad |
| 00:12.42 | illogical | I don't see what the big deal is |
| 00:12.47 | sredna | illogical: Imo, they should have their heads examined |
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| 00:13.18 | Mirell[M] | Go Go Compiling KDE 3.4 |
| 00:13.28 | Mirell[M] | Mmm. |
| 00:13.46 | illogical | I mean KDE isn't so great that it or gnome, in and of themselves are going to cause windows users to switch |
| 00:13.48 | Vystrix_Nexoth | if they want to use KDE, let them get a proper OS to use it on first. |
| 00:14.24 | illogical | people leave windows because they are fed up of windows/want more control/security for their PC, not because of how awesome a DE is |
| 00:14.58 | Vystrix_Nexoth | as much software as *nix users are kept from due to the popularity of windows, there's a wealth of software that's not available to windows users. |
| 00:15.16 | illogical | so having or not having KDE apps available for windows is going to speed up or slow down conversion |
| 00:15.39 | illogical | it can however provide more visibility for the project (which is always a good thing IMO |
| 00:15.55 | illogical | ) |
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| 00:16.10 | Vystrix_Nexoth | so, a windows user has two choices: use KDE apps under windows... or use KDE apps under *nix |
| 00:16.15 | Vystrix_Nexoth | hardly an incentive to drop windows |
| 00:16.24 | atoi|werk | is there a KDE applet that tells you if you're ethernet cable is connected? |
| 00:16.28 | illogical | and then there's the fact that I just don't want to be using anything but KDE anywhere, even when I'm in win :-) |
| 00:16.38 | Vystrix_Nexoth | alternately: "use crappy shareware apps under windows, or use superior, F/OSS apps under *nix" |
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| 00:18.18 | illogical | jonas22, qt 2 is free for win, anything higher is not |
| 00:18.37 | jadrian | illogical: err if you're in windows you're not using KDE everywhere by definition |
| 00:18.38 | Vystrix_Nexoth | I'm not against individual apps being ported to windows (for example, Firefox), but the entire desktop environment, just so j. random windows user gets a purty UI... not worth the effort of forking and maintaining it all, if you ask me. |
| 00:18.39 | illogical | unless you engage in some major fellatio, but i digress |
| 00:18.54 | Vystrix_Nexoth | yeah, what jadrian said :) |
| 00:20.09 | illogical | jadrian, correct. but i would like to use KDE everywhere |
| 00:20.23 | jonas22 | illogical, then use linux everywhere ^_^ |
| 00:20.29 | jonas22 | or *nix |
| 00:20.34 | illogical | i don't care about thew desktop so much as the apps it provides |
| 00:20.38 | Vystrix_Nexoth | yeah |
| 00:21.34 | atoi|werk | Hrmm... no one knows of a kde app/applet to tell if your ethernet is physically connected to the computer or not? |
| 00:22.04 | illogical | jonas22, hard to do when *nix keeps freezing every five minutes if you have anything running that involves X |
| 00:22.24 | atoi|werk | sounds like a driver problem. |
| 00:22.35 | atoi|werk | it's FREEZING completely? |
| 00:22.37 | illogical | the only reason I use linux is because it has a GUI, without that there is no purpose. |
| 00:22.40 | atoi|werk | frozen picture? or all black. |
| 00:22.54 | illogical | atoi|werk, frozen picture? |
| 00:22.57 | atoi|werk | illogical: that's illogical then. =P Windows has a GUI. Mac has a GUI |
| 00:23.07 | illogical | soft freeze. the mouse still moves (yay) |
| 00:23.20 | atoi|werk | and BSD "has" a GUI... so does Solaris.. |
| 00:23.50 | atoi|werk | hmm... what X server are you running? and which version? |
| 00:23.59 | illogical | atoi|werk, and if I could get BSD to do a net install i'd probably be using that :-) |
| 00:24.37 | illogical | i've run xorg 6.7.0, 6.8.0, 6.8.1 AND 6.8.1.99 |
| 00:24.49 | illogical | they ALL freeze |
| 00:25.09 | illogical | and I'm not even using the nvidia drivers (it freezes faster when I do that) |
| 00:26.02 | illogical | takes about 5 secs instead of five minutes (literally) |
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| 00:29.18 | kbrooks | I want to banish kde from saving the current session every logout. |
| 00:29.27 | kbrooks | what do i do |
| 00:29.45 | Vystrix_Nexoth | close all your stuff before logging out |
| 00:29.51 | jadrian | just scream "Don't you ever do it again" at your monitor |
| 00:30.00 | kbrooks | Vystrix_Nexoth, any other way? |
| 00:30.01 | Vystrix_Nexoth | or do that |
| 00:30.02 | jadrian | or go to KDE control center |
| 00:30.03 | illogical | kbrooks, Renze will be happy to explain the specifics |
| 00:30.07 | Renze | kbrooks: kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Session Manager |
| 00:30.12 | jadrian | exactly |
| 00:30.41 | jadrian | you can do both, what I and Renze suggested, to make sure it works |
| 00:30.48 | jadrian | it worked for me |
| 00:31.08 | kbrooks | shouting done ;) |
| 00:31.21 | illogical | time |
| 00:31.23 | jadrian | :) |
| 00:33.35 | AssociateXx | how do I get cd's to automount when I put them in the drive?> |
| 00:33.35 | kbrooks | Renze, a search function? mkay |
| 00:34.04 | Renze | kbrooks: yes, you press the Search tab, and enter a keyword - "session" for example |
| 00:34.08 | jadrian | Renze: maybe it's a KDE Control Center usability problem ;) |
| 00:34.34 | jadrian | and I really believe what I just said |
| 00:34.36 | kbrooks | jadrian, nah. i'm too lazy to look around in kcontrol |
| 00:34.38 | Renze | jadrian: no, I suspect it's a pebkac problem :) |
| 00:34.48 | kbrooks | pebkac? |
| 00:34.59 | Renze | problem exists between keyboard and chair |
| 00:35.08 | kbrooks | lol |
| 00:35.16 | jadrian | kbrooks: using search means you don't have to look around for stuff |
| 00:35.58 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.00 | kbrooks | ok |
| 00:36.07 | kbrooks | brb |
| 00:36.26 | kbrooks | btw how do i exit all channels? |
| 00:36.33 | kbrooks | /join 0? |
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| 00:36.48 | jadrian | guess so |
| 00:37.10 | Renze | that guy has a large neon sign above his head displaying NEWBIE in bright pink letters |
| 00:37.40 | Mirell[M] | Mmm |
| 00:38.11 | illogical | lol |
| 00:44.58 | illogical | AssociateXxX ? |
| 00:46.30 | AssociateX | I just ghosted my old nick, that's all |
| 00:46.42 | AssociateX | from a previous sessions |
| 00:46.48 | AssociateX | session |
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| 00:49.40 | illogical | can anyone get to update.mozilla.org? |
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| 00:55.43 | kbrooks | I want to reinstall kwallet. Can I? |
| 00:56.30 | aseigo_work | kbrooks: sure.... why do you ask? |
| 00:56.51 | kbrooks | forgot kwallet password |
| 00:58.25 | aseigo_work | oh.. you just want to re-init your kwallet |
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| 00:59.08 | kbrooks | yes |
| 00:59.14 | aseigo_work | rm -rf `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kwalletrc `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/kwallet |
| 00:59.27 | aseigo_work | (be careful with the spacing so you don't delete your whole kdehome ;0( |
| 00:59.31 | Renze | kbrooks: you need to get out of your Windows way of thinking, dude :) |
| 00:59.33 | aseigo_work | do a: ls `kde-config --localprefix`/share/config/kwalletrc `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/kwallet |
| 00:59.43 | kbrooks | wait wait, is that all on one line |
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| 00:59.53 | aseigo_work | first just to make sure you are getting the right files =) |
| 00:59.56 | aseigo_work | kbrooks: yep |
| 01:00.02 | kbrooks | ok |
| 01:00.09 | aseigo_work | kbrooks: you may need/want to kill kwallet first |
| 01:00.44 | aseigo_work | kbrooks: to do that hit Ctrl-Escape, find the kwalletmanager process if it is runnin and hit the kill button =) |
| 01:00.46 | kbrooks | ok, how do i kill a process (assuming i know the pid of that process) |
| 01:01.15 | kbrooks | aseigo, it gets me the start menu |
| 01:06.36 | illogical | kill pid |
| 01:07.01 | illogical | I'm kinda partial to kill -9 pid but that's not terribly nice :-) |
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| 01:11.10 | ktech | aseigo: pong |
| 01:11.23 | aseigo_work | oh there you are |
| 01:11.24 | aseigo_work | wonderful |
| 01:11.28 | aseigo_work | are you in your kde cvs build? |
| 01:11.50 | ktech | aseigo: yeah |
| 01:11.51 | ktech | sure |
| 01:11.51 | aseigo_work | in == logged into |
| 01:12.12 | aseigo_work | ok.. can you cvs up kdebase/kicker, rebuild and then do a `dcop kicker kicker restart` for me? |
| 01:12.19 | ktech | aseigo: but using gentoo... so I don't have direct access to modify a file and recompile only that file |
| 01:12.33 | ktech | aseigo: mmmm.... |
| 01:12.38 | ktech | can I build only kicker? |
| 01:12.56 | aseigo_work | yes |
| 01:13.09 | aseigo_work | oh. i thought you were building from CVS? |
| 01:13.14 | ktech | plase, tell my how. Enter the kicker directory and "make" ? |
| 01:13.23 | aseigo_work | or are you using some funky cvs emerge script |
| 01:13.33 | aseigo_work | yep, cd kdebase/kicker; cvs up; make; su -c 'make install' |
| 01:13.34 | ktech | aseigo: yeah... an ebuild |
| 01:13.38 | ktech | aseigo: but I can compile kicker only for you |
| 01:13.52 | aseigo_work | me wuvs you |
| 01:14.11 | ktech | wuvs? ... no native english speaker... so dunno what's that (updating cvs right now) |
| 01:15.15 | Renze | wuvs isn't english, it's baby talk :) |
| 01:15.21 | illogical | wuvs=luvs=loves |
| 01:16.08 | aseigo_work | Renze: i have a child. it happens. |
| 01:16.09 | ktech | illogical: oh.... |
| 01:16.15 | illogical | lol |
| 01:16.25 | Renze | aseigo_work: heh :) |
| 01:16.36 | aseigo_work | Renze: i also know the theme songs to every fucking childs program on t.v. |
| 01:16.39 | ktech | aseigo_work: I try to switch to another mirror. No updates to kicker. Have you just commited? |
| 01:16.40 | aseigo_work | by heart. |
| 01:16.45 | Renze | aseigo_work: I pity you :) |
| 01:16.54 | illogical | hahahah! |
| 01:16.56 | aseigo_work | ktech: oh. you're on anoncvs. yes. it'll be .5-2hrs |
| 01:17.12 | ktech | aseigo_work: yeah... I don't have a kde account |
| 01:17.47 | ktech | aseigo_work: I'm going to try every 10 minutes or the like. Will tell you |
| 01:18.18 | ktech | aseigo_work: or you can pack the kicker directory and send it to me if you're in a hurry |
| 01:18.19 | illogical | aseigo_work, hey there buddy. |
| 01:18.21 | illogical | pal |
| 01:18.27 | aseigo_work | illogical: dude |
| 01:18.31 | illogical | greatest coder the whorld has ever known |
| 01:18.34 | aseigo_work | ktech: no hurry |
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| 01:18.54 | ktech | well... will try each 10 minutes then |
| 01:19.23 | ktech | illogical: what one? |
| 01:19.27 | illogical | How about giving kicker curved borders? |
| 01:19.28 | ktech | s/what/which |
| 01:19.35 | ktech | wow |
| 01:19.50 | ktech | first one is making kicker to work. Then curved borders, hehe |
| 01:20.03 | ktech | :P |
| 01:20.15 | ktech | why has that rewrite to kicker performed? |
| 01:22.47 | aseigo_work | well, first, it's not really a REWRITE (i'm going to explain that one in my blog tonight, actually =) |
| 01:22.52 | aseigo_work | it's a refactoring |
| 01:22.58 | aseigo_work | and its being done because: |
| 01:23.17 | ktech | aseigo: post the url of your blog later, please |
| 01:23.20 | aseigo_work | 0. kicker was very buggy (RTL was messed up, all sorts of various and sundry painting issues) |
| 01:24.04 | aseigo_work | 1. kicker was very bloated (i've removed many, many classes and a couple level of inheritance, while making it generally thinner) |
| 01:24.56 | aseigo_work | 2. points 0 and 1 are linked. the massive code duplication and speghetilike nature of the code caused many bugs to creep in. it also made it very hard for people to get involved |
| 01:25.05 | aseigo_work | (in hacking on it, that is) |
| 01:25.14 | Mirell[M] | Mmm |
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| 01:25.38 | aseigo_work | 3. there were a lot of loose ends left laying around design wise that were never finished because people left things half-baked. that needed to be fixed |
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| 01:25.52 | aseigo_work | in all, kicker's internal design is decent, if you can ignore the implementation ;-) |
| 01:26.03 | ktech | :) |
| 01:26.14 | aseigo_work | so, the goal is to bring the implementation into line with the design and kill as many bugs in the process as possible while making kicker thinner |
| 01:26.31 | ktech | aseigo: that's very good |
| 01:26.37 | ktech | aseigo: and I apreciate a lot your work |
| 01:26.39 | ktech | thanks, I must say |
| 01:26.54 | aseigo_work | thank you for testing stuff out for me =) |
| 01:27.03 | aseigo_work | (esp the bugs i can't reproduce =P ) |
| 01:27.30 | ktech | :) |
| 01:27.31 | ktech | not at all |
| 01:27.32 | aseigo_work | oh.. and my blog is aseigo.blogspot.com ... it's also syndicated over at planetkde.org |
| 01:27.46 | ktech | is the less I can do to thank you for you work |
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