irclog2html for #kde on 20041205

00:00.32slavacode a CD ripper in asm :)
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00:01.48Renzedd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso :)
00:01.59Dhraakellianslava: ew!
00:02.03DhraakellianEw!
00:03.22Dhraakellianthe files are <50KB
00:03.33Dhraakellianand don't work
00:03.48DhraakellianI get the same with mp3 and wave
00:04.37aseigoDhraakellian: trying with audiocd:/ ?
00:04.38Dhraakellianwell, mp3 and wav give me 755KB files that are just silence
00:04.45Dhraakelliankaudiocreator
00:04.52DhraakellianI'll try with audiocd:/
00:05.04aseigoDhraakellian: ah.. well, in theory kaudiocreator is a front end to audiocd..
00:05.16aseigoDhraakellian: but yeah. try audiocd:/ in konqi and see if that helps any
00:05.17Dhraakellianah
00:05.39Borg^QueenDoes it hurt?
00:05.56DhraakellianBorg^Queen: !:Þ
00:05.56Borg^QueenI use audiocd, works great
00:06.03Borg^QueenLOL
00:06.15Borg^QueenDhraakellian: do you have more than one cd drive?
00:06.24Dhraakellianno
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00:06.51DhraakellianDVD and CD-RW in the same drive
00:06.58Borg^QueenI really messed with myself with that. I keep figuring it would default to cdrom, it defaulted to my cdrw
00:07.06Borg^QueenSo one drive
00:07.16Borg^QueenWhat is happening?
00:07.23Borg^Queentry ripping as root
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00:11.46Borg^QueenSailorOrion, now that's a romantic nick if ever I heard one.
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00:13.55teatime"Borg^Queen" doesn't sound overly sentimental though ;)
00:14.47Dhraakellianteh-a-tim-eh?
00:16.26teatimeDhraakellian: what's that? "southern snarl"? :)
00:16.41Dhraakellianpratchett reference
00:16.56teatimedamn, I always miss those
00:17.12teatimemaybe it's the same one everytime :)
00:17.41Dhraakellianrefering to the Ankh-Morpork assassin of the same name
00:17.54teatimefancy
00:18.17Dhraakellianwho disliked being called "teatime," as his name was spelled
00:18.33teatimelol
00:19.29Borg^Queenteatime:  no, not really
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00:21.09Borg^QueenStevenR, the coward ran off
00:21.23StevenRBorg^Queen: ?
00:21.27StevenRwho?
00:21.32Borg^QueenOh there you are
00:21.42Borg^QueenNever mind
00:22.03StevenRi got randomly disconnected
00:22.15Borg^Queenmonkey head
00:22.27Borg^QueenHabit?
00:22.35StevenR???
00:23.08Borg^Queenyou randomly disconnect out habit or you have a faulty connection
00:23.28Borg^QueenIt's like some people that switch over to Linux, reboot their computers every 30 mins out of habit
00:23.35StevenRno, was a random one. not normal
00:23.49Dhraakelliansame results with audiocd:/
00:23.50Borg^Queenoh
00:23.56Dhraakelliantrying as root
00:23.58Borg^Queenas root?
00:24.04Borg^Queenodd
00:24.15Dhraakellianno... I meant taht I shall now try as root
00:24.21Borg^Queendoes audiocd:/ depend on mtools?
00:24.28Borg^QueenOOOH never mind
00:24.28slavano, it depends on cdparanoia
00:24.34Borg^QueenDhraakellian: don't do that
00:24.39Borg^Queenok
00:25.43Borg^QueenDidn't work as root?
00:25.52Dhraakellianhaven't tried yet as root
00:26.14Borg^QueenWell what are you waiting for?
00:26.21Borg^Queenopen konq as root
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00:26.28Dhraakelliankrusader!
00:26.51Borg^Queenpardon?
00:27.02DhraakellianBorg^Queen: !;)
00:27.27Borg^QueenOh
00:27.36Borg^QueenHeithen
00:27.54Borg^Queendid I spell that right?
00:28.03Dhraakellians/i/a
00:28.05DhraakellianI think
00:28.06StevenRheathen
00:28.16Borg^QueenThanks
00:28.21Borg^Queenheathen!
00:28.25Dhraakellianit's not like I use a non-kde file manager
00:28.34DhraakellianI just happen to like krusader more
00:29.09Borg^QueenI use krusader as my backup utility
00:29.18slavai don't make backups
00:29.22slavai just upload my work to the internet
00:29.25Borg^QueenDamn StevenR
00:29.37Dhraakellianslava: and have other people mirror it?
00:29.42Borg^QueenHmm, I don't trust the net
00:29.45slayerboblol
00:29.47slavayup, like linus :)
00:29.49Borg^Queenexactly
00:30.00slayerbobi trust the net just fine... it's just the people on the net i don't trust :P
00:30.04Borg^Queenhe's a cartoon character
00:30.09Dhraakellian*rimshot*
00:30.10Borg^QueenLOL
00:30.15Borg^QueenLike me
00:30.15Borg^Queen<PROTECTED>
00:30.20Borg^QueenThank you Dhraakellian
00:30.21slavaat least i'm not using linus os :)
00:30.29Borg^Queenrotfl
00:30.32Dhraakellianslava: *bsd?
00:30.48slavayup
00:31.01slayerbobsame difference
00:31.21Borg^QueenWhat's wrong with BSD?
00:31.48Borg^Queen?
00:32.06slayerbobbsd people do not like linux users claiming that bsd and linux are much the same :P
00:32.30aseigoslayerbob: superiority complex =)
00:32.50Borg^QueenI know several people that use BSD professionally and they same its very similar
00:32.54Dhraakellian*n?x
00:32.57slayerbobhonestly... sometimes you would think they were running gentoo or something with the attitude that bsd users have
00:33.00slayerbobumj
00:33.02slayerbob*um
00:33.06aseigolol
00:33.09aseigoor slackware
00:33.12aseigothose fucks are the worst
00:33.20Dhraakellianslayerbob: ,':-|
00:33.28slayerboboh yeah wouldn't trust one of them as far as i could throw them aseigo
00:33.35Borg^QueenDistro WAR!
00:33.37aseigos,them,,
00:34.23Borg^QueenGentoo is young, give it time
00:34.25DhraakellianRenze: you do that too?
00:34.40Borg^QueenPoor aseigo
00:35.03DhraakellianBorg^Queen: I'm just waiting for the day when I can install gnome, test it, and then easilly remove all its packages
00:35.05Borg^Queenroftl
00:35.06aseigoDr: "so. you say this head wound happened in... uh... a chat room?"
00:35.14Borg^Queensick people
00:35.25Borg^QueenDhraakellian: pardon?
00:35.31Dhraakelliannm
00:35.32Dhraakellianhmm
00:35.34Dhraakelliandidn't work
00:35.35slayerboblol
00:35.50Borg^Queenlol aseigo tell the Doc is was a virtual reality channel
00:36.12slayerboblol
00:36.18Borg^Queengnome isn't a bad GUI, it just isn't tight enough for me.
00:36.35Borg^Queenoh and aseigo tell him
00:36.38Dhraakellianso it's not just something with my local settings
00:36.43Borg^Queen"There is no CD"
00:36.55aseigohahahaa
00:36.57Borg^QueenIt didn't work Dhraakellian ?
00:37.35Borg^QueenI F*976king HATE whineDOH!s
00:37.36Dhraakellianit makes a 21.5KB file (ogg vorbis)
00:37.56Borg^QueenI have 15 clients using whindohs and they make up 90% of all my tech calls
00:38.00Dhraakellianand it is silent
00:38.15slayerbobwow
00:38.18Borg^QueenUpdate your cdparanioa
00:38.20RenzeDhraakellian: try using command line tools, so you can see if it's a KDE problem
00:38.28Borg^QueenWhat?
00:38.29DhraakellianXP is so 2002
00:38.37Borg^QueenLOL
00:38.39slayerbobhey!
00:38.46slayerbobi'm supposed to be the troll in this group :(
00:38.49Borg^QueenWhat?
00:38.57Dhraakellian!:)
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00:39.07slayerbob:P
00:39.16DhraakellianRenze: I seem to recall having similar problems with grip
00:39.22Borg^Queenslayerbob: what sulk?
00:39.35slayerboblol
00:39.41Borg^Queencheck perms
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00:40.18Borg^QueenWhat are you laughing at you doz using monkey headed snot?
00:41.03DhraakellianBorg^Queen: permissions for what?
00:41.16Borg^QueenI need stop stop working on this whineDOH! computers. I'm become hostile.
00:41.29Borg^Queencdparanioa and other apps conencted to grip
00:41.30slayerbobperhaps you should convert them
00:41.38slayerbobalthough windows does have its uses
00:41.55Borg^QueenIt plays games ok
00:41.57slayerbobwe built an internet cafe with linux machines and now we almost never have to go out to see that customer :(
00:42.12slayerboblinux is just too reliable :(
00:42.23Borg^Queen"That customer"
00:42.30Borg^Queen`Oooh lol
00:42.34slayerboblol
00:42.35slayerbobnot me
00:42.39slayerboba real customer
00:42.50Borg^QueenNo no, see I charge a monthly fee paided in advance for ONE year
00:43.02Borg^QueenIt includes going over there to make backups for them.
00:43.09Borg^QueenThey're happy, I'm happy.
00:43.20Borg^Queen(_(_) whinedohs
00:43.23slayerbobah that's a sensible way to do things
00:43.25Borg^Queengrrrrr
00:43.29slayerbobperhaps i should look at that model
00:43.36slayerbobinstead of my current hourly rates
00:43.41Borg^QueenAye,
00:44.01Borg^QueenThey feel they're getting their money's worth when I go over to check things out
00:44.12slayerbobheh
00:44.14Borg^QueenIt's simple.
00:44.28slayerboband you know you are getting paid so you pop in frequently to check that all is good :P
00:44.33Borg^QueenIt also gives me time to update thier implants
00:44.50slayerbobwhat? is your vinculum broken ?
00:45.07Borg^Queenno no, just tweaking
00:45.14slayerboblol
00:45.23Borg^QueenOk here's how I do it.
00:45.44Borg^QueenI sell the computer with a base 6 month warranty on support but 5 years on the hardware.
00:46.07Borg^QueenThen I offer then a 1 2 or 5 year support contract
00:46.16Borg^QueenI include, monthly checkups, updates, and backups.
00:46.35StevenRBorg^Queen: you run your own company?
00:46.39Borg^QueenBecause I never have any real problems with the machines, I'm free to run about doing this stuff.
00:46.43Borg^QueenAye,
00:46.54StevenRBorg^Queen: you have a company website?
00:47.02Borg^QueenI wasn't making any money with M$ crap so I switch to Linux, litterally over night
00:47.24Borg^QueenAye, but only for clients. To many hits and I get charged for it.
00:47.34slayerbobreally ?
00:47.44Borg^QueenAye.
00:47.45slayerbobwe have something like 10GB on our site
00:47.49slayerbobwell... 10GB traffic
00:47.53slayerbobthat is a *lot* of hits
00:47.55Borg^QueenWow
00:48.20Borg^QueenYeah, as soon as I can, I'm getting a T1 and doing it myself, or maybe a sdsl
00:48.26slayerbobalthough i got fed up with our isp breaking all the time so i switched the site etc to running off a cable modem box in christchurch
00:48.38slayerbob512kbps upstream is heaps :P
00:48.47Borg^QueenAye
00:49.26slayerbobdo you mind if i ask how much you charge per month for your support contracts ?
00:49.31Borg^QueenIn any case. Things have been very smooth for the linux clients. They learned quickly. Most have switched to Linux at home. All is well.
00:49.34Borg^QueenAlmost........
00:50.03Borg^Queen$100 for the first computer, $50 for each after
00:50.09slayerbobthat's not bad
00:50.10Borg^Queentimes 12
00:50.13Borg^QueenNope,
00:50.18slayerbobi just charge $90 per hour
00:50.22slayerbobalthough that is $nz
00:50.23Borg^QueenFree money with Linux systems
00:50.29Borg^QueenAye, you make more
00:50.32slayerbobso it is more like us$60
00:50.39Borg^QueenReally
00:50.43slayerbobyeah but i work something like 10 hours most weeks
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00:50.55slayerbobwhich of course has its advantages :P
00:51.05Borg^Queenyes you get to cook for can
00:51.10slayerbobheh
00:51.31slayerboblots of customers have machines that never break
00:51.40slayerbobbut i can see the advantage to offering support contracts
00:51.46Borg^QueenIndeed
00:51.56slayerbobwe claim to offer them on our site, but have never actually set one up with a customer
00:51.57Borg^QueenI've had some who call just to say hello
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00:52.11slayerbobwell... except for my internet cafe - but that doesn't really count since i own part of it :P
00:52.15slayerbobheh
00:52.18Borg^Queenlol
00:52.31slayerbobi had one customer who got me out to teach him about windows every week for maybe 3-4 years
00:52.49Borg^QueenMy clients actually like the contracts, It's cheap compared to all other ($500 per hr and up)
00:53.10slayerbobyeah i am thinking that it is not a silly idea
00:53.19Borg^QueenAye, I include lessons for Linux too. Basic stuff , as I need to learn much myself
00:53.21slayerbobthe thing i am liking the most about it is the regularity of income
00:53.29Borg^QueenIndeed
00:53.41slayerbobsometimes i will go for a couple of months with no work at all if i cannot be bothered to go out and find other customers
00:53.50slayerbobother months i will be working literally 100 hours a week
00:54.03Borg^Queenouch
00:54.17Borg^QueenThat only happens to me when a win virus comes out
00:54.23Borg^Queenor a M$ security patch
00:54.32slayerbobheh
00:54.36slayerbobi do programming work as well
00:54.41Borg^QueenI wish I was kidding
00:54.51slayerbobso if a customer has something complex that they want changed it can take many many hours
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00:55.06Borg^QueenAye
00:56.07slayerbobi think i might try an experiment
00:56.12slayerbobsee if i can score some support contracts
00:56.18slayerbobis a good time of the year for it
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00:56.43slayerbobsince most people organise things like new computers and new contracts at the start of february :P
00:56.56Borg^Queen`Good, go for it.
00:57.01jepel_tailweavergood luck
00:57.09slayerbob:P
00:57.17slayerbobi mainly just want to avoid the dead times :P
00:57.27Borg^QueenAye,
01:00.14slayerbobanyone know roughly how long ago canllaith was last in here ?
01:00.26Borg^QueenNope
01:00.32Borg^QueenIs she ok?
01:00.37slayerbobyeah she is fine
01:00.38slayerbobjust asleep
01:00.40Borg^Queenok
01:00.45slayerboband i fell asleep early last night
01:00.54slayerbobjust working out when to feed her breakfast :P
01:01.08Borg^QueenAawwww how sweet
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01:10.50Dhraakellianhaving updated cdparanoia, I tried using audiocd:/
01:10.57Borg^QueenAnd?
01:11.09Borg^Queentry setting cdpara for uid
01:11.21Dhraakelliananother minute or so before finishing the current track
01:11.30Dhraakelliannp: J.R.R. Tolkien - Bk3Ch02p13 The Riders of Rohan (1:59/2:46)
01:11.45Borg^QueenWeeeeh
01:12.07Borg^QueenOk now give me chocolate
01:12.43Dhraakelliannope... didn't work
01:12.44slayerboblol
01:13.53Borg^QueenBastard
01:14.11DhraakellianI was too born and conceived under wedlock!
01:14.27Borg^QueenNot you
01:14.31Borg^Queenmaybe
01:14.55Borg^QueenWait, you lied
01:15.21Borg^QueenCan't first be born and then conceived, unless you're parents are UBER dyslexic
01:15.39slayerbobheh
01:15.58Borg^QueenHmmph
01:17.30Borg^Queenit's cdparanioa
01:17.34Borg^QueenIt's busted
01:17.55Borg^QueenYou broke your computer
01:18.12Dhraakellianunless portage lied to me
01:18.34Borg^QueenDo it yourself
01:18.44Dhraakellianbah!
01:19.11Borg^QueenWhat?
01:19.23Borg^QueenWhat you can't do it your portage punk?
01:19.55Dhraakellian,':-|
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01:20.14Borg^QueenThought so
01:20.16Dhraakellianraised eyebrow
01:20.39Borg^Queenslayerbob: I never mentioned fugus
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01:21.08slayerbobfugus ?
01:21.14pdanyone ever see this bug before  ? http://www.weblogimages.com/v.p?uid=Paul&pid=238032&sid=jmI85mESW8
01:21.17Borg^QueenDon't call him that
01:21.59slayerbober ?
01:22.03slayerbobdon't call who fugus ?
01:22.28Borg^QueenOh, my how insensitive
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01:23.01Dhraakellianokay, so it wasn't a very big version change
01:24.13Borg^QueenDhraakellian: don't listen to slayerbob you're not a fugus
01:24.44Borg^Queenlook between your toes
01:24.57Renzeoh, fungus
01:25.07slayerboblol
01:25.08Borg^QueenN?
01:25.12Borg^QueenOh yes fungus sorry
01:25.26slayerbobyou have fungus between your toes Renze ?
01:25.28slayerbob:|
01:25.30Borg^Queenrotfl, I need a break
01:25.35Renzeno
01:25.43Borg^QueenNo toes?
01:25.45Borg^QueenWhat happened?
01:25.50Renzebut certain fungus tastes very good
01:25.55Borg^Queenyuck
01:26.20Dhraakellianbadger badger badger badger...
01:26.20RenzeMushrooms... the fungus on/in some cheeses...
01:27.33pdhey anyone have any ideas what might be causing my menu problem?
01:27.44Borg^QueenWhat exactly are they?
01:27.54pdhttp://www.weblogimages.com/v.p?uid=Paul&pid=238032&sid=jmI85mESW8
01:28.41straw256+0x12 = 274 can some explain that? how do i find a regular value for 0x12 or 0x3e
01:30.28Borg^Queenpd: do you have some odd ball hotkey enable?
01:30.37Borg^QueenLike a custome one in your kmenu?
01:30.42strawcrap. it snowing. stupid snow.
01:30.55straws/it/it's/
01:31.20slayerbobyour snow has sentience ?
01:31.22slayerbobwow
01:31.43Borg^Queenreally
01:32.00jepel_tailweaverRenze, I don't like snow, and I live in Canada
01:32.06Borg^QueenI like snow, but not yellow snow
01:32.11jepel_tailweaverRenze, and the last time I saw snow was a few weeks ago
01:32.31RenzeI had to travel far to see snow
01:32.37Renzeup a mountain
01:33.04jepel_tailweaverI had to travel a whopping 5 minutes from my house to see snow
01:34.26gnoobwill i have to restart kde for "Audio CD Brows" to work after getting KDEmultimedia?
01:34.57Borg^QueenI don't know
01:35.05Borg^Queenbut it wouldn't hurt
01:35.26gnoobbut i have to close everything down.
01:35.34Borg^Queenbrb, FOOD
01:35.52jepel_tailweaverBorg^Queen, it's f00d
01:36.08Renzedeadf00d
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01:38.29Borg^QueenMy food is alive
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01:38.40DrSandhey guys
01:38.43DrSandhow are you today?
01:38.51RenzeBorg^Queen: yogurt?
01:38.52swimdoes anyone know where the kmenu side bar says KDE 3.3 etc ?
01:39.01DrSandI heard that kde 3.3.2 is tagged, is this true:)?
01:40.00Renzeswim: $KDEDIR/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png and kside_tile.png
01:40.12swimthx Renze
01:40.41marcusUcvs status -v README
01:40.45marcusU<PROTECTED>
01:40.45marcusU<PROTECTED>
01:41.10marcusUDrSand: It appears so.
01:41.31DrSandhmmm
01:41.36DrSandis there instructions on getting it through cvs?
01:41.46DrSandor source tars would be easier, rsync or ftp i dont mind:)
01:42.08Renzehttp://developer.kde.org/source/anoncvs.html
01:42.15DrSandthanks:)
01:43.12pdBorg^Queen, i do have a mac keyboard
01:43.16pdcould explain it
01:43.35Borg^QueenNope
01:43.56Borg^QueenBut I know if you goof while setting up a custom hotkey, that happens
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01:45.51Borg^QueenExperience speaks loudy here
01:46.01pdhmm
01:46.09pdjust noticed i cant set custom keys
01:46.10jepel_tailweaverAnyone here use Umbrello?
01:46.17pdand the keys work under gtk but not kde
01:46.39Borg^Queenhave you tried restarting X?
01:47.03pdlol yep
01:47.06pda few times ;)
01:47.10Borg^Queenrats
01:48.24marcusUI'm going to go. jepel_tailweaver don't open Umbrello in the house. It's bad luck.
01:48.59Borg^QueenMuahahahahha!
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01:49.41sycoflyhallo my friends ..
01:49.47Borg^QueenHoly crude
01:50.10DrSandi gota do one module at a time i think
01:50.26Borg^Queensycofly has a disease! Sterilize him!
01:50.40sycoflytoo late .. been done
01:50.47Borg^Queenouch
01:50.59sycoflyhehe ..
01:51.21sycoflyok .. why is it that this sound conf stuff can test the best of us ..
01:51.57name773would it be possible to use a visualization from whatever kde music app is currently playing as the desktop background?
01:52.17name773resource intensiveness aside, that would be pretty cool
01:53.04DrSandcvs co -r KDE_3_1_RELEASE << it uses this example, yet this example does not work...
01:53.29jepel_tailweaverwhere is the KDEDIRS variable set?
01:53.35sycoflyRenze, I have done a nic new fresh slackware10.0 install and now ready to get sound up and going ..
01:53.51Renzejepel_tailweaver: depends on your distro
01:54.00jepel_tailweaverRenze, Gentoo
01:54.22jepel_tailweaverah, screw it
01:54.33jepel_tailweaverI'll just install Umbrello in the main KDE dir
01:54.45sycoflylol @ Borg^Queen
01:54.48Renzejepel_tailweaver: /etc/env.d/99kde-env
01:54.54jepel_tailweaverRenze, ok
01:55.00Renzejepel_tailweaver: edit that file, then run env-update
01:55.12Borg^QueenSee win95 does work for somethings
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01:55.28jepel_tailweaverRenze, ever used Umbrello?
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01:55.41Renzejepel_tailweaver: not beyond playing with it... it's part of kdesdk
01:55.53jepel_tailweaverRenze, I'm compiling it by itself, and it seems to be working...
01:55.54Borg^Queenwhat is it?
01:56.30Borg^Queenyuck, gooey
01:56.51species-8472doh
01:57.02microni have a question about licenses, kdelibs are LGPL and QT is GPL, true?
01:57.16Borg^QueenSwitch it around
01:57.20slayerbobwife ?
01:57.26slayerbobi thought 8472 had 5 sexes...
01:57.31Borg^QueenOk husband
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01:58.11DrSandhm
01:58.11slayerbobmmmm trout
01:58.16slayerbobhungry now :(
01:58.23Borg^Queengross
01:58.41Borg^QueenNo wonder you peopelk smell
01:58.41meNGele... need help !!! pls !
01:58.45Borg^Queenpeople too
01:58.56Borg^QueenWe all need help
01:59.35meNGelewhen change default icons (crystal) to nuvola.... icons on desktop dont change (still crys),..... ????
02:02.05Borg^Queenthat's odd
02:02.16Borg^QueenCheck the permissions on the icon set
02:02.22Borg^QueenSee if you can execute
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02:04.06meNGele..... ............. permissions OK !??
02:04.30Renzepunctuation... overload...
02:04.45meNGeleonly desktop icon are still CRYS,.. others nuvola .... ????
02:05.25Borg^QueenToo much koffee
02:05.41meNGele... and one more think (maybee it has some connection with this problem) I CANT CHANGE COLORS OF WINDOWS BEHAVIOUR (sorry for bad eng) ?
02:06.04meNGele.... yop,... and cigaretZ
02:06.17Borg^QueenmeNGele:  you should change your nick to "Loud Howard"
02:06.17slayerbobmeNGele: coloured marker pens :)
02:07.39jjazzI have a related problem.  I have no desktop icons (just the labels beneath them) and when konqueror is in icon view mode, there are no icons (just the filenames scattered around).  I can't seem to figure out how to fix this.
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02:08.31Borg^QueenWhen that happened to me, all three times. users didn't have perms to read the files
02:08.51jjazzBorg^Queen:  which files?
02:08.58meNGele... icons ?
02:09.03Borg^QueenThe icon file
02:09.21meNGele...... thats not my problem ?
02:09.29Borg^Queenyou loaded your icons into /usr/share/icons as root yes?
02:09.52Renzeow!
02:10.05jjazzBorg^Queen:  I'm using the default icons from Knoppix.  I haven't changed anything (at least not on purpose ;)
02:10.18Borg^Queencloset win95 user
02:10.30meNGele.... :)))
02:10.48meNGeleno my iconset is loaded from ... kde dir/share/icons/nuvola !
02:10.52Borg^Queencheck the perms anyway
02:11.09Borg^Queentry loading them into /usr/share/icons
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02:11.43slayerbobmmmm soupo
02:11.45slayerbob*soup
02:11.46gnoobi want kioslave from kdemultimedia so i can use "Audio CD Browser" what else do i need from that group.  I don't want everything in kdemultimedia so i am editing some out.
02:11.53Borg^QueenYeah yeah, except for the one in your closet. You sit in there at night playing mine sweep and writing dirty joke in M# word
02:12.24jjazzBorg^Queen:  ok
02:12.28Borg^Queenyou need cdparanioa, a separate app
02:12.44gnooboh, it's not in kdemultimedia?
02:13.05Borg^QueenNope
02:13.11jjazzgnoob:  apt-get cdparanoia
02:13.32gnooboh, i need to enable cdparanoia a  USE flag in gentoo.
02:14.23meNGele... what permision to put on nuvola folder ?
02:16.23Borg^QueenHow are you doing it?
02:16.30Borg^Queenvia konsole or konq?
02:16.56meNGelekonq .... (ok... i know for chmod) :))
02:17.04Borg^Queenread for all, write for root and exec for root and users
02:17.49meNGelethats ok... but there is one more thing... any other icon set i apply.... CRYSTAL IS ON DESKTOP..... yoooyy everaldo... :)))
02:18.22Borg^Queengo to kcontrol
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02:18.36meNGeleyap... now ?
02:18.56Borg^Queenappearance, icons
02:19.07meNGele...ye,ye... next ?
02:19.33Borg^Queenclick on the icon set you want and click on apply
02:19.42meNGele...oh... i cant change icon size on desktop too... :)
02:20.06meNGeleyes... click SLICK ICONS... and they apply to all ex DESKTOP !
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02:21.24meNGeleI think thats not problem in icons... because as i say... there is a problem that i cant change color of my win behs... i think thats connected with icon problem ... ? :(
02:22.35Borg^QueenI don't know
02:22.54meNGele... ok.... thanx
02:23.07Borg^Queenok
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02:27.06gnoobok, emerging kdemultimedia with cdparanoia set.
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02:27.24slayerbob:o
02:27.29slayerbobbacon on toast ?
02:27.39can|laptopok :)
02:27.54Borg^Queenbacon? Yuck
02:27.59Borg^Queenhey can|laptop GM
02:28.05can|laptop:)
02:28.10can|laptopoooo soup
02:29.40Renzetomato and red pepper soup
02:30.25Borg^QueenWD40 with steel bolts, MMmmmm good soup
02:30.34Borg^Queencrunchy
02:31.30Borg^Queenbll
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02:31.37Borg^Queenbbl that is
02:32.16xomphi guys! just wanted to drop in and say hello, today is my son's 1 year birthday so haven't been able to bless you all with my presence heh. Canny try using that link I sent you last night to see if you can get in now :) also thanks for the emails!!! has been real helpfull... bye!
02:32.27can|laptop:)
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02:39.01gnoobwhat kind of soup?
02:39.09Renzetomato and red pepper soup
02:39.16gnoobah, nasty.
02:39.23slayerbobyum
02:39.58Renzevery tasty
02:40.03slayerbob:P
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02:48.57jjazzI still can't get my icons to appear on the desktop or in Konqueror.  Permissions seem fine, and the icons appear on the panel and in the panel menu and all that.  If anybody has any idea, I'd appreciate any suggestions on where to look for a fix.
02:54.35slayerbobhmmm
02:54.36slayerbobthis is weird
02:54.53slayerboball my logs for all channels i am sitting in with xchat stopped at 12.01am this morning :S
02:55.30can|laptopinteresting lol
02:55.39can|laptopperhaps you should quit xchat and rejoin
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02:57.48jepel_tailweaverwb slava
02:57.50jepel_tailweaverwb slayerbob
02:58.03slayerbob/me looks at the log
02:58.04Dhraakellianre
02:58.19slayerbobyay all fixed now :)
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03:01.56AssociateXHello people
03:02.17Renzethere are people here?!?
03:02.18AssociateXhow do I play mov files in konqueror?
03:02.32AssociateXHello meek or animals
03:02.38AssociateXis that better?
03:02.48AssociateXhehe
03:02.58AssociateXgreat
03:03.48AssociateXhey
03:03.52AssociateXwake up all
03:03.54RenzeAssociateX: I use kaffeine (KDE front end to xine) to view mov files embedded in konqueror
03:05.51jepel_tailweaverRenze, do you like kaffeine?
03:05.55Renzeyes
03:06.06RenzeI'm using it right now to listen to internet radio :)
03:06.07jepel_tailweaverWhen I find out what package it's from, I'll get it
03:06.24Renzeit's not an official part of KDE
03:07.00jepel_tailweaverRenze, is it in Portage?
03:07.00Renzejepel_tailweaver: yes
03:07.14jepel_tailweaverRenze, I'm downloading it now
03:08.15Dhraakellianalthough kaffeine can use kplayer
03:08.26can|laptopdo they use arts?
03:08.28Dhraakelliankplayer's toolbars and such with mplayer
03:08.39Renzecan|laptop: kaffeine uses xine
03:08.44can|laptopyay!
03:09.08jepel_tailweaverhey can|laptop
03:09.13DhraakellianRenze: it can use other backends now, it seems
03:09.26RenzeDhraakellian: yes, but I usually always go with the default :)
03:09.32Dhraakellianyeah
03:10.11slayerbobi am using xine as a front end to xine
03:10.15Dhraakellianthe only way I could find to run kaffeine is to open a video file in Firefox
03:10.16slayerbobcos my kde sound does not work :(
03:10.29DhraakellianI haven't tried it with konqueror's webbrowser profile
03:10.40Renzeslayerbob: actually, you're using xine-ui as a front end to xine-lib :)
03:11.15RenzeDhraakellian: it's a standalone app too :)
03:11.15slayerbobhush you :P
03:11.56DhraakellianRenze: using the kaffeine plugin, it apparently opens kaffeine separately
03:12.03DhraakellianI don't know exactly how it works
03:12.07RenzeDhraakellian: not here... it embeds here
03:12.29RenzeDhraakellian: I don't use the kaffeine plugin... it's not needed with konq
03:12.49Dhraakellianbut it does get kaffeine running where using "open with" in krusader or trying to open with the kmenu don't
03:13.08RenzeDhraakellian: kaffeine "just works(tm)" here :)
03:13.58can|laptopack
03:14.13can|laptopI have been trying to figure out for 10 minutes why my konqi keeps saying gg is not a registered protocol
03:14.23can|laptopit's smegging firefox with the plastik fox theme, that's why.
03:14.30Renzehahahahahaha :D
03:14.38slayerboblol
03:14.47jepel_tailweaverwow
03:14.51Dhraakellianlol!
03:14.53jepel_tailweaverkaffeine is finished compiling already
03:14.57Dhraakellianniiice
03:15.04can|laptopI just woke up and I'm blonde leave me alone :(
03:15.07jepel_tailweaverabout 10 minutes
03:15.15Dhraakelliancan|laptop: the new tab button is one thing that sets them apart for me
03:15.20jepel_tailweavercan|laptop, at the other end of the world, I'm getting ready to go to bed ;)
03:15.28Dhraakellianbut I have done doubletakes for similar things
03:15.41can|laptopDhraakellian: I'm only looking at half the screen cause it's covered by chat windows n stuffs
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03:16.40slayerbobonly on irc could you wake up at 4pm and have someone on the other side of the earth claim that they were just getting ready to go to bed
03:17.00can|laptop:P
03:17.22slayerbobmore tea ?
03:17.59Dhraakellian4pm?
03:18.10can|laptopI'd love some
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03:18.57can|laptopDhraakellian: we live in a ski resort town and we're surrounded by chalets... .these $%*@ing kids renting one were playing really loud techno behind us until 4am
03:19.01omega-Is it just me or is KColorChooser really unstable?
03:19.01jepel_tailweaverRenze, have you noticed that Kaffeine is no less dodgy than xine?
03:19.26Renzejepel_tailweaver: both are solid as a rock here
03:19.46Renzejepel_tailweaver: you are aware that kaffeine is just a xine front-end, right? :)
03:19.53omega-I was just about to say that. =)
03:20.45greppermplayer is much more reliable then xine/kaffeine here
03:21.14Renzegrepper: they're both equally reliable here, but I just like xine better
03:21.20jepel_tailweaverRenze, yes. With video at least, I find xine to have a lot of little niggling things that bother me
03:21.39Renzejepel_tailweaver: such as? I watch a lot of video via xine, and have no problems at all
03:21.56can|laptopThere are other players that have nicer features I think
03:22.04grepperRenze: having probs with xine atm, I just decided to use  mplayer for a while -
03:22.07can|laptopbut when I'm sitting down at an old machine with flakey sound or flakey vid chipsets
03:22.19can|laptopxine is usually what I fall back on to play things when the others don't work
03:22.23grepperprocesses that don't get cleanly killed etc
03:22.34Renzegrepper: no such issues here
03:25.31omega-Kaffeine is more reliable here.
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03:31.22grepperr-click on the icon and see what command it is running
03:31.38grepperthen run that command from a terminal and see what errors if any are printed
03:31.59grepper"kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" probably
03:34.03swimgrepper so far I get this: DCOPReply<>: cast to 'QCString' error   but its still ... "trying:
03:35.06grepperstrange
03:35.15can|laptopyou don't have a samba share mounted in your home directory that might have gotten broken?
03:35.25can|laptopeg server has rebooted or shut down..... ?
03:35.43swimno, the only thing Ive done recently is change my HOSTNAME...
03:35.47can|laptopah
03:35.50can|laptop:)
03:36.00can|laptopYour X applications will be unhappy unless you log out and back in I suspect
03:36.07swimI did
03:36.31slayerbobi would have rebooted
03:36.40slayerbobotherwise weird things keep cropping up :S
03:36.44can|laptoplol I would have too
03:36.49slayerbobor add your new and old hostnames to /etc/hosts
03:36.50slayerbob:P
03:36.51swimok Ill try rebooting
03:36.58swimdid that already slayerbob
03:37.02can|laptopusually by the time you manually restart services you could have just rebooted =p
03:37.17slayerboband if it is not a server usually rebooting is the simplest option :P
03:38.07slayerbobmaybe there is trolling going on elsewhere today
03:38.14can|laptop:o
03:38.22can|laptopI'm being attacked! Jumped on, tickled oh woe is me
03:38.33slayerboboi!
03:38.36slayerbobleave her alone :(
03:39.03grepperno, she should definately be tickled to death for advising rebooting  
03:39.27can|laptopack unless it's a server who cares.
03:39.35can|laptopgosh darn it slayerbob has just come down here and he's tickling my feet
03:39.54Renzehahahahaha :D
03:41.03Renze* oh the weather outside is frightful... *
03:41.24grepperoh wait, your boyfriend's name is slayerbob ?
03:41.52can|laptoplolol well he answers to 'slayer' irl much to the discomfort of his customers
03:43.11grepper:P
03:43.25slayerbob:P
03:43.45can|laptopThat's right. you stay up there where you belong
03:44.07slayerbobin the kitchen ?
03:44.11slayerbob:(
03:44.23can|laptop;)
03:44.39can|laptopack no I don't want to get on a plane :'(
03:44.41slayerbob:o
03:44.45can|laptopI'm going to be deaf for the rest of the evening :(
03:44.48slayerbobplane ?
03:44.52can|laptopyes :( thursday
03:44.55slayerbob:(
03:45.03can|laptopI hate those things. My ears are going to hurt
03:45.11slayerbobyou don't have to go :P
03:45.19slayerbobyou could just stay here :P
03:45.42can|laptopbut I want to go :p
03:45.45can|laptopthe roses :D
03:45.53can|laptopand and and the gliding :D
03:46.01can|laptopmmm I hope that doesn't go high enough to hurt my ears :(
03:46.19can|laptopno we're not in the same room
03:46.20slayerbobentirely different rooms
03:46.24can|laptopyup
03:46.30slayerbob:o
03:46.35can|laptopomg
03:46.38grepperget a friggin intercom  ;)
03:46.39slayerbobmaybe i could make a holly interface for my brain :D
03:46.44can|laptopwe're talking about zero g stuff
03:46.49can|laptopgrepper: we like this one :)
03:46.54slayerbobnooooooooooo
03:47.00grepperheh
03:47.02slayerbobzero g in a glider would be dangerous :(
03:47.02can|laptopand he's talking about floating a coke bottle in the centre of the cabin for like, 4 5 seconds
03:47.07slayerbobnooooo
03:47.24can|laptopthen he's like 'Then it's time to look outside and pull yourself out of the steep drop you were in while looking at the coke bottle'
03:47.35can|laptopI'm going wtf? WHO WAS LOOKING AT THE COKE BOTTLE WHILE THE PLANE WAS FLYING DIRECTLY INTO THE GROUND?
03:47.40can|laptopHe's like... well, I was
03:47.52can|laptop0_0
03:48.05slayerbob:(
03:48.39can|laptopHe promised he wont do that to me
03:48.47slayerbobhe better not
03:49.10omega-So I take it KColorChooser is in fact really unstable?
03:49.40can|laptopum I don't know
03:50.36sycoflyhuh .. no audio group in my /etc/group file
03:50.38can|laptopI only use it for a few seconds at a time then close it :)
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03:52.24omega-can|laptop, yeah but try double clicking on the colours a few times and it'll close or crash. I'm not sure which one. But I think it's the latter.
03:52.33can|laptopmmm
03:52.54omega-The square predefined colours that is.
03:53.25can|laptopum
03:53.44can|laptopthat applet is designed so that when you double click on it, it closes and returns the colour value to the app that called it
03:53.55can|laptopit's basically the same applet that's in lots of KDE apps where you can choose a colour
03:54.09can|laptopso that's why it closes on double click - although really when called by itself in the colour chooser that's rather silly behaviour
03:54.42RenzeI've never noticed it before because I've been using single click for ages :)
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