| 00:00.09 | sredna | PtitGNU: May I suggest that you make a script containg the line 'kdesu -c script.sh' which the user can execute? |
| 00:01.15 | Alethes | good god windows sucks |
| 00:01.25 | Alethes | my kids use 2000 and I can't believe what a pain in the ass it is |
| 00:01.27 | sredna | What else is new? |
| 00:01.32 | Renze | Alethes: took you long enough to realise :) |
| 00:01.34 | Alethes | nah |
| 00:01.37 | Alethes | I've known forever |
| 00:01.43 | Alethes | trying to convince my wife to let me use linux with kde on it |
| 00:01.53 | Alethes | she wants to make sure they can play their win32 games though |
| 00:01.59 | Renze | WineX |
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| 00:02.13 | Alethes | yeah, I've been checking out codeweavers and stuff |
| 00:02.16 | PtitGNU | sredna: yes but, when I double-clic on a .sh file, it doesn't work |
| 00:02.19 | Alethes | none of them really mention the sims much |
| 00:02.24 | Alethes | that's the most complex app they use probably |
| 00:02.27 | xomp | same with my old lady, all she plays is SIMS and nothing else and I can't convince her :( |
| 00:02.41 | sequitur | lol |
| 00:02.41 | physos | Alethes: I saw the sims on Wine about 3 years ago. |
| 00:02.51 | Alethes | hmmmmmm |
| 00:02.52 | Alethes | :D |
| 00:02.57 | PtitGNU | sredna: how can I write a binary file with a .sh file ? |
| 00:03.03 | Renze | The Sims... a life simulator for those who don't have one (hmmm, maybe I should get it too) |
| 00:03.10 | xomp | hehe |
| 00:03.12 | sredna | PtitGNU: Chmod +x file |
| 00:03.13 | sequitur | renze hehe |
| 00:03.24 | PtitGNU | sredna: doesn't work |
| 00:03.31 | Alethes | hmm there's a fbsd port for wine |
| 00:03.37 | Alethes | I might install that so I can test sims and stuff |
| 00:03.50 | PtitGNU | sredna: for double-clic, konqueror want a binary only |
| 00:04.01 | physos | Wildfox hacked wine to run Sims on Linuxtag 2001 IIRC. Dunno about Sims2 though. |
| 00:04.03 | xomp | same here |
| 00:04.23 | Alethes | I'm gonna see if I can get working easily |
| 00:04.26 | Alethes | if I can, they're done with windows |
| 00:04.45 | Alethes | all they need it for is games, browsing, IM and probably using kword |
| 00:05.07 | Renze | they'll complain |
| 00:05.11 | Alethes | pfftt |
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| 00:05.20 | Alethes | they didn't complain when I switched IE for firefox |
| 00:05.36 | Alethes | they did complain when I did a switcheroo with k-meleon a year or so ago though |
| 00:05.40 | Alethes | 'cause it just sucked |
| 00:06.03 | sredna | PtitGNU: It works fine here |
| 00:06.34 | sredna | PtitGNU: Unsafe as it is... |
| 00:07.11 | sequitur | alethes its good you give the family many choices! they'll figure out whats easiest, and whats more configurable, huh? |
| 00:07.30 | Alethes | heh heh |
| 00:07.42 | Alethes | my wife still uses IE most of the time :/ |
| 00:07.54 | sequitur | hmm.. scared of tabs? |
| 00:07.56 | Alethes | I'm not sure why, 'cause I got firefox 1.0 on there too |
| 00:07.57 | sredna | Why? |
| 00:08.04 | Alethes | no idea |
| 00:08.09 | Alethes | 'cause she's set in her ways? heh |
| 00:08.16 | xomp | I love IE, just don't like the featurlessness? of it and the security probs :( |
| 00:08.19 | Renze | most people don't like change |
| 00:08.26 | sredna | Why not just remove the links to ie and make firefox the default? |
| 00:08.37 | Alethes | sredna: that's what I did with the kids' computer |
| 00:08.45 | sequitur | lol microsoft has it made--theyre associating crap products, just the same way people see a facial tissue, and call it kleenex! |
| 00:08.47 | Alethes | msn messenger keeps using IE though grrr |
| 00:08.54 | sredna | Alethes: It's a common and safe solution |
| 00:09.28 | sredna | Msn messinger is probably a security risk itself, at least according to microsofts antispy thingy :p |
| 00:09.40 | sredna | (I think also in real life) |
| 00:09.41 | Alethes | heh, yeah, but gaim isn't very stable on win32 |
| 00:09.46 | sredna | Lol |
| 00:09.52 | sredna | Jabber, maybe |
| 00:10.03 | Alethes | Psi is nice, but it's too different, I think |
| 00:10.14 | Alethes | the whole jabber transports thing is gonna be strange for them |
| 00:10.38 | Alethes | but if I can get them using linux with kde (kopete, etc), I think everybody will be happy |
| 00:10.38 | illogic-al | trillian is the best IM for windows IMIO |
| 00:10.48 | Alethes | illogic-al: I've heard that's pretty crashy too |
| 00:10.53 | illogic-al | nah |
| 00:10.53 | Alethes | I'm not speaking from experience though |
| 00:10.57 | illogic-al | you heard wrong :-) |
| 00:11.19 | Alethes | will the kids miss any features from msn if I switch them to trillian? |
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| 00:11.35 | illogic-al | I really don't know |
| 00:11.43 | illogic-al | I haven't use msn in _ages_ |
| 00:11.47 | Alethes | me either heh |
| 00:11.49 | xomp | yeah, functionality heh |
| 00:11.54 | Alethes | hah |
| 00:11.56 | xomp | I _loath_ trillian |
| 00:11.56 | Alethes | ok |
| 00:11.58 | illogic-al | don't know what it has/doesn't have |
| 00:12.03 | xomp | kopete and gaim are great :) |
| 00:12.18 | illogic-al | I _lurve_ trillian :-) |
| 00:12.30 | Alethes | it'd be cool if kde could be run as a shell on win32 |
| 00:12.34 | Alethes | remember litestep? |
| 00:12.38 | illogic-al | all IM apps should strive to be as good as it is. |
| 00:12.51 | illogic-al | then there'd be peace on earth for all :-) |
| 00:13.07 | illogic-al | Alethes: rememeber it? it's still on my windows partition :-) |
| 00:13.13 | Alethes | heh heh |
| 00:13.18 | Alethes | I haven't seen that in forever |
| 00:13.23 | Alethes | is it stable yet? |
| 00:13.24 | illogic-al | I hardly use any MS shareware apps |
| 00:13.33 | illogic-al | Alethes: yah. |
| 00:13.37 | illogic-al | litestep is teh cool |
| 00:13.52 | Alethes | I used it back in the day 'cause it was the l33t thing to do |
| 00:14.04 | Alethes | got tired of it crashing all the time though |
| 00:14.06 | xomp | ewww!! you got leet on you! |
| 00:14.10 | illogic-al | I use it cause it crashes less then explorer :-) |
| 00:14.17 | Alethes | hah |
| 00:14.34 | Alethes | I'm not fond of the whole *step gui look |
| 00:14.39 | Alethes | like windowmaker, etc |
| 00:14.41 | Alethes | those are just fugly |
| 00:14.51 | xomp | ain't that the truth |
| 00:15.07 | illogic-al | that what themes are for. you can make it look/act like anything :-0 |
| 00:15.15 | Alethes | when I was working on the kids' computer today, I realized how nice my desktop is :D |
| 00:15.21 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 00:15.26 | Alethes | you get used to kde and forget how ugly windows is |
| 00:16.16 | illogic-al | KDE is the light. |
| 00:18.26 | sredna | Look fooooooor the silver liiiniiiiiiing |
| 00:18.48 | Alethes | illogic-al: I installed fbsd to fix that problem :) |
| 00:19.13 | illogic-al | fbsd doesn't like my network card |
| 00:19.17 | illogic-al | so screw it. |
| 00:19.31 | Alethes | ah |
| 00:19.35 | illogic-al | lol @ anders |
| 00:19.36 | Alethes | that sucks |
| 00:19.46 | theo_ | incentive to port KDE to windows I guess... |
| 00:20.02 | illogic-al | i'd probably have stuck to linux anyways and kept bsd for a server |
| 00:20.18 | illogic-al | i like getting new apps right when released too much |
| 00:20.35 | jepel_tailweaver | theo_: there is a version of KDE for windows. Cygwin/X |
| 00:20.56 | sredna | Kde can't make windows suck less, only hide the suckiness. So that is a silly idea, theo_ |
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| 00:21.35 | illogic-al | sredna: i don't mind hiding the suckiness. i do that already w/ apps like litestep etc. |
| 00:21.48 | illogic-al | hiding the suckyiness is good! |
| 00:21.48 | sredna | I don't want to run on windows, but I may want to hop on it :p |
| 00:22.10 | illogic-al | i'm doing that right not by not installing GL drivers on my system |
| 00:22.24 | PtitGNU | so, I will use the 'find' command in the script for searching where is himself... it's sux but it the last solution :( |
| 00:22.24 | illogic-al | cause when they're on it becuomes extremely sucky |
| 00:22.25 | jepel_tailweaver | hiding the suckiness is good |
| 00:22.39 | jepel_tailweaver | at least we can have a decent GUI on Windows |
| 00:23.04 | sredna | PtitGNU: What if the user have another file with the same name which si found first? |
| 00:23.08 | illogic-al | jepel_tailweaver: you can already get a decnt GUI in windows. |
| 00:23.24 | jepel_tailweaver | illogic-al: There are lots of ways. I like BB4Win |
| 00:23.24 | illogic-al | having KDE there will not change that (maybe improve it a bit :-) |
| 00:23.40 | PtitGNU | sredna: I use a name very specific |
| 00:23.47 | PtitGNU | sredna: and I have no choice |
| 00:24.11 | PtitGNU | sredna: KDE is not capable to say where is it |
| 00:26.10 | jepel_tailweaver | the leet one |
| 00:26.12 | jepel_tailweaver | of course |
| 00:26.15 | Alethes | if I can get sims and stuff working with wine, the kids are gonna be using fbsd and kde soon |
| 00:26.15 | Alethes | :D |
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| 00:26.22 | aseigo | illogic-al: suse primarily. |
| 00:26.48 | aseigo | illogic-al: i do have mandrake around, and have to work with some Red Hat and some Gentoo |
| 00:27.03 | illogic-al | Alethes: try cedega from cvs for games |
| 00:27.25 | Alethes | what's cedega? |
| 00:27.44 | illogic-al | transgaming's version of wine |
| 00:27.45 | aseigo | a canadian venture that produces a games-specific wine bundle |
| 00:27.48 | Renze | Cedega replaces WineX, a distribution of Wine with enhanced DirectX for gaming |
| 00:27.52 | illogic-al | specially made w/ games in mind |
| 00:27.53 | Alethes | ah |
| 00:28.11 | Renze | ...according to portage, anyway |
| 00:28.11 | Alethes | gotcha |
| 00:28.14 | xomp | jesus, boy does winex crash something awfull when you try and specify a "drive_c" for it! |
| 00:28.46 | xomp | it gripes at you for not having one, you go to add it and it locks up and starts shooting commands all over a terminal window :( |
| 00:29.22 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 00:29.30 | illogic-al | quality software. |
| 00:29.35 | illogic-al | gotta love it. |
| 00:29.36 | xomp | lol indeed |
| 00:30.43 | illogic-al | If i order tonight newegg should have it here by saturday... |
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| 00:31.09 | illogic-al | I think i'll do it. it's not like I've anything better to do tonight |
| 00:31.32 | Alethes | heh |
| 00:31.36 | illogic-al | actually, i'll wait to see if kernel 2.6.10 fixes my prob |
| 00:31.42 | Alethes | order me a new video card too, please |
| 00:31.50 | Alethes | for the kids' box, of course |
| 00:31.51 | illogic-al | pppppppfft |
| 00:32.10 | illogic-al | you mean order _me_ a new video card, for my box |
| 00:32.26 | Alethes | hehe |
| 00:32.38 | Renze | illogic-al: get me a new monitor while you're at it... 21" would be nice |
| 00:32.59 | illogic-al | you all can kiss my hair encrusted arse |
| 00:33.34 | illogic-al | <insert smiley here>... |
| 00:34.11 | Alethes | hah |
| 00:34.26 | Alethes | (__:D___) |
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| 00:34.59 | flam | hello. how do i disable the sound in kate? (i'm not using KDE) |
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| 00:35.15 | flam | i can't find any options for disabling the sound anywhere.. |
| 00:35.30 | Renze | flam: what's what you need the KDE Control Center for |
| 00:35.43 | Alethes | might wanna try running kcontrol |
| 00:35.54 | flam | Renze: hm, so i can't do it in kate? |
| 00:36.14 | Renze | nope |
| 00:36.43 | illogic-al | not unless you spinkle some fairy dust on your version of kate |
| 00:36.59 | flam | ok |
| 00:37.10 | sredna | What soudn in kate? |
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| 00:37.40 | flam | thx |
| 00:37.44 | braniff | how do i change screen resolution in KDE w/ xorg ?? |
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| 00:38.00 | braniff | my xorg.conf->Section 'Screen'->SubSection 'Display'->Modes "800x600" "640x480" |
| 00:38.11 | braniff | but in KDE, screen resolution wizard only gives me 640x480 |
| 00:38.16 | illogic-al | Kmenu -> system -> screen resize ... |
| 00:38.22 | illogic-al | braniff: --^ |
| 00:38.37 | Renze | kcontrol -> peripherals -> display |
| 00:38.42 | Alethes | grrr kate is krashin' |
| 00:38.51 | Alethes | [19:41 alethes@pennywise:~/.kde/share/config] kate |
| 00:38.56 | Alethes | kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed. |
| 00:39.01 | illogic-al | blame sredna, it's all his fault. |
| 00:39.18 | sredna | ROFL |
| 00:39.34 | Alethes | what a useless error message |
| 00:39.36 | illogic-al | he stole your fairy dust. i saw him do it. |
| 00:39.40 | illogic-al | honest. |
| 00:39.46 | Alethes | I can tell that it crashed |
| 00:40.11 | sredna | Alethes: Just suddenly ? |
| 00:40.30 | Alethes | just tried to start it |
| 00:40.34 | braniff | hmm...with the "Display Settings" applet (as root), I only have the choice of 640x480 |
| 00:40.34 | Alethes | it won't start |
| 00:40.39 | Alethes | I'm moving all the config files now |
| 00:40.55 | Alethes | grrrrrr |
| 00:41.00 | Renze | braniff: do you have horizsync and vertrefresh set correctly in xorg.conf? |
| 00:41.01 | Alethes | even after moving the configs, it crashes |
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| 00:41.39 | Renze | braniff: you might also want to check the Xorg log in /var/log |
| 00:41.49 | braniff | Renze: it works fine in 640x480 with my refresh settings |
| 00:41.59 | braniff | Renze: ok i'll look at the logs |
| 00:42.21 | Renze | braniff: yes, but vertrefresh and horizsync tell X what resolutions it is capable of displaying |
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| 00:42.27 | Alethes | sredna: make it work, dammit! |
| 00:42.28 | illogic-al | I need teepee for my bung-hole. |
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| 00:42.47 | illogic-al | CornholoiooOOooooOOooooOOoo |
| 00:42.53 | sredna | Alethes: My best bid is: Try again |
| 00:43.46 | Alethes | :/ |
| 00:43.46 | Alethes | I moved all the config files and everything |
| 00:43.46 | sredna | Alethes: And if it crashes again, move your katerc away and try yet once more |
| 00:43.47 | Alethes | hah |
| 00:44.01 | Alethes | gah |
| 00:44.10 | Alethes | I _need_ kate |
| 00:44.18 | Alethes | ooo |
| 00:44.22 | Alethes | I sound like an obsessed ex-boyfriend :) |
| 00:44.44 | illogic-al | so that's what they sound like. |
| 00:44.53 | Alethes | interesting |
| 00:44.58 | Alethes | kate -n worked |
| 00:45.37 | sredna | Alethes: Maybe close it, and kill any kate process lying around? |
| 00:45.39 | Alethes | found the prob |
| 00:45.48 | Alethes | I had it running as root last night |
| 00:45.56 | Alethes | the process was still running in the background or something |
| 00:46.11 | sredna | Hm, kopete is weird |
| 00:46.16 | Alethes | mucho better :D |
| 00:46.22 | sredna | It asks for a password for irc |
| 00:47.10 | xomp | dang, seems the only way to play win32 games on a linux platform is to shell out some cash :( |
| 00:47.28 | xomp | although I'm convinced they _deserve_ it, just it sucks for us poor bloakes :( |
| 00:47.35 | Alethes | xomp: I'm gonna try with plain ol' wine |
| 00:47.46 | braniff | Renze: (II) NVIDIA(0): Not using default mode "800x600" (hsync out of range) |
| 00:47.56 | Alethes | I don't know if I'm wasting my time, of course :) |
| 00:48.03 | Renze | braniff: there you go... your horizsync is incorrect |
| 00:48.23 | Renze | braniff: you need to enter the values your monitor can handle |
| 00:48.47 | Renze | braniff: if you don't know them, check the manual or the web |
| 00:49.04 | xomp | the funniest thing ever though is, I downloaded wine.. so I /join #wine (which took me to #cedega) asked for help, they said it was a #winehq issue, so I /join #winehq and ask the same question in which I was told to join #cedega as it's there problem lmao |
| 00:49.32 | Renze | xomp: it's called "passing the buck" |
| 00:49.55 | xomp | lol, yeah.. and if I actually shelled cash out and got that kind of support I would go "ape sheet" in a hurry |
| 00:50.03 | braniff | Renze: this monitor is a television...can only handle 60hz. i've run 800x600 before with a different distro with xfree86 tho |
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| 00:51.05 | xomp | I have _the_ best windows emulation (even though wine is no emulator) available out there to play win32 games already.. it's simply loaded in lilo lmao |
| 00:51.10 | Alethes | anybody here used knoppix much? |
| 00:51.15 | Renze | braniff: that is dependent on the video driver, if I recall... not sure, haven't used a TV as a monitor since my Atari 800XL days |
| 00:51.16 | Alethes | ooo wait |
| 00:51.20 | xomp | Alethes, I have used it quite a bit |
| 00:51.22 | Alethes | brb |
| 00:51.29 | Alethes | gonna try my knoppox cd on the kids' computer and see if I can run sims with it :) |
| 00:51.37 | Alethes | it has wine on the cd, if I remember correctly |
| 00:51.39 | xomp | it's debian basically |
| 00:52.07 | xomp | when you choose to install to hdd it installs debian :s |
| 00:52.23 | xomp | and we all know how much Renze loves debian :) |
| 00:52.27 | xomp | rofl |
| 00:52.43 | xomp | do I know you? or do I know you? |
| 00:52.54 | Renze | debian - linux for those who want to be as far away from the bleeding edge as it is possible to be |
| 00:53.14 | xomp | lmao! |
| 00:53.24 | Renze | "ew! blood!" |
| 00:53.25 | xomp | should be a nice tag-line for the distro |
| 00:54.17 | xomp | Microsoft Where do you want to go today?, Gentoo closest thing to bsd you can get without having to install bsd, and Debian linux for those who want to be as far away from the bleeding edge as it is possible to be |
| 00:54.30 | xomp | heeh |
| 00:55.24 | xomp | although the gentoo bit is _NO_ suckerpunch :) |
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| 01:00.06 | sredna | Hm, kimdaba is really an interresting app |
| 01:00.11 | sredna | Weird, but cooæ |
| 01:00.47 | sredna | Renze: How does it differ from knetload? |
| 01:01.12 | Renze | sredna: it's an actual applet instead of a systray thingy |
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| 01:02.14 | Renze | and it's in portage |
| 01:02.41 | sredna | Renze: I have a old version of knetload which is a applet, but I'm not sure it workd anymore. But I agree that that is more appropriate |
| 01:03.10 | Renze | yeah, I used to use the old knetload applet too... but stopped when it started crashing |
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| 01:03.26 | jepel_tailweaver | kmediacontrol used to make kicker mess up |
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| 01:05.55 | FrostByte | Renze: you should try: Knemo |
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| 01:09.31 | illogic-al | yay |
| 01:09.39 | illogic-al | kernel 2.6.10 |
| 01:10.58 | illogic-al | burning doesn't work, sound card does |
| 01:11.02 | illogic-al | oh well |
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| 01:11.32 | Renze | FrostByte: I have knemo, but I'm trying to reduce my systray clutter, not increase it |
| 01:11.40 | FrostByte | yeah . . |
| 01:11.50 | FrostByte | I wish I could dump some of this stuff myself . . |
| 01:12.00 | FrostByte | but I really like Knemo . . works nicely |
| 01:12.13 | Renze | plus kbandwidth is more informative than knemo |
| 01:12.30 | Renze | well, except for the popups, but I never really use those |
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| 01:13.06 | Renze | but one glance at the applet and I can see how busy my cable loop is |
| 01:14.16 | Alethes | welp, that sucks |
| 01:14.27 | Alethes | wine struggled to run anything but the simplest apps from knoppix |
| 01:14.33 | Alethes | I'm gonna try the latest one anyway though |
| 01:15.14 | MrGrim | can someone help me figure out why my grid keeps changing on my desktop? if an icon changes (like a device is mounted) or if I add a new shortcut all of my icons reaarange themselves and mess up, then when I try to move them back the grid goes back to its regular size, which causes them to mess up even more |
| 01:15.16 | illogic-al | ahah |
| 01:15.21 | MrGrim | so every time I mount or unmount a device I gotta fix my desktop |
| 01:15.30 | illogic-al | running k3bsetup fixed cdburning problems |
| 01:15.46 | Alethes | MrGrim: I have the problem too |
| 01:15.55 | Alethes | I have no idea how to fix it though :) |
| 01:15.55 | MrGrim | illogic-al: I fixed cd burning problems in k3b by telling it to use cdrdao |
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| 01:16.30 | MrGrim | cdrecord causes nothing but problems.. and it annoys the crap out of me cause the author goes out of his way to bash every scsi layer on the planet, yet cdrdao has no problems doing it flawlessly, while his software ALWAYS screws up |
| 01:16.31 | MrGrim | </rant> |
| 01:16.36 | illogic-al | MrGrim: how? |
| 01:17.08 | MrGrim | how what? |
| 01:17.21 | illogic-al | to tell k3b to use cdrdao |
| 01:17.29 | MrGrim | sec |
| 01:17.34 | illogic-al | i'm trying to burn an iso file |
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| 01:18.19 | MrGrim | settings -> configure k3b -> writing -> advanced tab -> manual writing application selection |
| 01:18.28 | MrGrim | then when you prepare to burn next to speed is which app to use |
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| 01:27.49 | Alethes | why does kscd start playing a cd from the beginning after its been paused? |
| 01:28.10 | Renze | it doesn't, at least not here |
| 01:28.41 | Alethes | I pause, then play again and it starts the cd over |
| 01:30.26 | illogic-al | amarok's gui is totally unresponsive but it just keeps on a playin' |
| 01:30.40 | illogic-al | actually not totally unresponsive |
| 01:31.26 | illogic-al | and it's back |
| 01:31.30 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:31.33 | Renze | Alethes: just tested kscd again... pause/unpause works fine here |
| 01:31.33 | Dhraakellian | I get that sometimes |
| 01:31.41 | illogic-al | okie dokey. my media player is driving me senile |
| 01:31.42 | Alethes | why me?! |
| 01:31.43 | Alethes | heh |
| 01:31.43 | illogic-al | lovely. |
| 01:31.44 | Dhraakellian | not sure what causes it |
| 01:31.52 | Alethes | I've decided wine ain't gonna work for the kids' games |
| 01:32.02 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:32.10 | Alethes | I'm thinking about win4lin just for their games so I can get them using kde for everything else |
| 01:32.45 | Renze | Alethes: wine isn't good for games... it needs WineX/Cedega |
| 01:32.52 | mbevan | Okay, anyone know of a program which sits in the tray and allows me to set up SSH tunnels? I.e. I'm getting tired of typing `ssh -L local:remotehost:remote -f user@server` and having a terminal ope nal lthe time... |
| 01:33.12 | illogic-al | and they FINALLY fixed the kernel bug that caused artifacts on the terminal when pasting via a usb mouse |
| 01:33.13 | Alethes | btw, kde 3.0 is hideous |
| 01:33.14 | illogic-al | woot! |
| 01:33.17 | mbevan | Renze: I've been able to play Alice, WC3, StarCraft, and a bunch of others without a problem under plain Wine. |
| 01:33.20 | Alethes | I was using it with an older knoppix cd |
| 01:33.30 | illogic-al | Alethes: so is KDE 1.0 |
| 01:33.33 | illogic-al | and 2.0 |
| 01:33.34 | Alethes | hehe |
| 01:33.35 | mbevan | Alethes: If it's hideous - make it look better. It's that simple. |
| 01:33.44 | Dhraakellian | actually, I don't |
| 01:33.45 | illogic-al | but when they just came out we were all loving it. |
| 01:33.48 | Alethes | mbevan: why bother,? I'm not using it |
| 01:34.10 | Dhraakellian | I just remember that Konq was super buggy back then |
| 01:34.14 | mbevan | Alethes: A good point, but graphical prettyness is no longer a valid argument. You can make it look as pretty or ugly as you want. |
| 01:34.24 | illogic-al | Dhraakellian: back then ? |
| 01:34.30 | illogic-al | }:-) |
| 01:34.39 | Alethes | konq has been relatively stable for me |
| 01:34.40 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:34.51 | mbevan | Bah, I used KDE 1 and loved it. It was an improvement, albiet a minor one, over a command line and Midnight Commander. |
| 01:34.59 | mbevan | ;-) |
| 01:35.12 | Alethes | I was using blackbox then, I think |
| 01:35.18 | mbevan | FVWM, here. |
| 01:35.25 | illogic-al | there amarok goes again |
| 01:35.32 | illogic-al | always when changing songs it seems |
| 01:35.50 | illogic-al | mebbe kernel 2.6.10 did somethin' |
| 01:37.19 | MrGrim | Alethes: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91575 |
| 01:37.25 | MrGrim | there's a patch |
| 01:37.30 | MrGrim | I haven't had a chance to test it |
| 01:38.39 | Alethes | mine don't get rearranged on login |
| 01:38.45 | Alethes | they just shift when I add new icons to the desktop |
| 01:38.53 | MrGrim | yes, I think it's related |
| 01:39.11 | Alethes | illogic-al: that's hardly what I'd call "rockin" :P |
| 01:39.30 | illogic-al | wow |
| 01:39.32 | illogic-al | laaaaaaaag |
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| 01:39.47 | illogic-al | i that a while ago |
| 01:39.55 | sredna_kopete | wow |
| 01:39.58 | Alethes | [20:42:25] [CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from illogic-al: 2 seconds |
| 01:40.03 | sredna_kopete | irc in kopete :-) |
| 01:40.25 | Renze | sredna_kopete: been there, done that... got annoyed at the crashes... |
| 01:40.56 | illogic-al | i think you mean "wow. Stable, non-crashing IRC in Kopete!" |
| 01:41.11 | sredna_kopete | illogic-al: it didn't crash yet.. |
| 01:41.21 | Renze | sredna_kopete: give it time :) |
| 01:41.22 | sredna_kopete | and i've been in it for allmost a minute :o |
| 01:41.35 | Renze | sredna_kopete: hold your breath :) |
| 01:41.52 | sredna_kopete | lol, let me try typing something on the 2nd line |
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| 01:42.28 | illogic-al | roll call! |
| 01:43.22 | sredna_kopete | i think one thing that can keep me from using this is that i can't set a schema pr account (or can i)? |
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| 01:43.30 | illogic-al | is there a setting i can put in kdesktoprc to make the width of the icon text bigger? |
| 01:43.41 | sredna_kopete | yes |
| 01:43.47 | illogic-al | do tell |
| 01:43.56 | sredna_kopete | i''m thinking |
| 01:44.05 | sredna_kopete | its even in kcontrol i think |
| 01:44.15 | sredna_kopete | otherwise it's to do with the grid |
| 01:44.27 | sredna_kopete | auch |
| 01:44.32 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 01:44.46 | illogic-al | sredna: thanks, found it |
| 01:44.51 | sredna_kopete | cool |
| 01:44.53 | sredna_kopete | :) |
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| 01:46.50 | sredna_kopete | /leave one of me must be enough, and my ksirc incarnation wins |
| 01:46.55 | sredna_kopete | no? |
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| 01:47.10 | jepel_tailweaver | ksirc? |
| 01:47.10 | sredna | Lol |
| 01:47.15 | jepel_tailweaver | sredna, you use ksirc? |
| 01:47.36 | jepel_tailweaver | I always thought it looked a little ghetto |
| 01:47.42 | sredna | Because I'ts perl (at least sirc is) |
| 01:47.48 | jepel_tailweaver | ah |
| 01:47.50 | Renze | dsirc |
| 01:48.03 | Renze | dsirc is the perl client |
| 01:48.51 | sredna | http://83.73.136.202:8003/ksirc.png <- it's up to the config, jepel_tailweaver |
| 01:50.27 | Dhraakellian | I'm waiting (im)patiently for konversation to catch up in a few areas |
| 01:50.28 | Alethes | I don't find much difference between xchat and konversation |
| 01:50.31 | Dhraakellian | and then I'll probably switch |
| 01:50.52 | MrGrim | Alethes: also, http://webcvs.kde.org/kdebase/kdesktop/kdiconview.cc?rev=1.144&view=log look at revision 1.139 |
| 01:51.03 | Alethes | MrGrim: thanks |
| 01:51.13 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: let's see... vertical tabbar (I could probably make do with a treeview), better activity notification in the tabs |
| 01:51.28 | Alethes | yeah the activity notification would nice |
| 01:51.55 | MrGrim | also revision 1.134 |
| 01:52.08 | Alethes | a view like kopete's would be nice, because it'd be more consistent |
| 01:52.10 | Dhraakellian | currently, the dot on the tab lights up green on *any* activity |
| 01:52.13 | Alethes | right |
| 01:52.16 | Dhraakellian | I like xchat's system |
| 01:52.20 | MrGrim | * Fix SUSE BR46012: |
| 01:52.20 | MrGrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.21 | MrGrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.21 | MrGrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.21 | MrGrim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.28 | MrGrim | this is very similar |
| 01:52.38 | Dhraakellian | bright red for talking |
| 01:52.54 | Dhraakellian | dark red for nick changes, joins, parts, etc |
| 01:53.08 | Dhraakellian | and blue for if someone set off your highlights |
| 01:53.11 | Alethes | does xchat actually use a graphic for that? |
| 01:53.18 | Dhraakellian | no |
| 01:53.20 | MrGrim | revision 1.134 seems to be the one you want |
| 01:53.26 | Dhraakellian | it just colors the tab text |
| 01:53.27 | Alethes | konversation does, so it may be harder to fix that |
| 01:53.32 | MrGrim | Alethes: do you know how to use webcvs to get a patch? |
| 01:53.33 | Alethes | ah that's right |
| 01:53.38 | Alethes | MrGrim: no idea :) |
| 01:53.44 | Alethes | MrGrim: I'm not worried about it much right now though |
| 01:53.49 | Alethes | I'm gonna be updating to 3.4 when it comes out |
| 01:53.52 | Dhraakellian | well, konvi already does the blue tab text for highlights, I think |
| 01:53.53 | MrGrim | ok, well I'm gonna grab some patches |
| 01:53.53 | Alethes | I don't use the desktop much |
| 01:54.02 | MrGrim | well I am too but 3.4 is still a ways away |
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| 01:54.12 | MrGrim | so I'm gonna fix this :) |
| 01:54.23 | Alethes | it's out this spring |
| 01:54.32 | Dhraakellian | and xchat actually lets you set those colors... |
| 01:54.33 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 01:54.37 | Alethes | end of march, I think |
| 01:54.43 | MrGrim | Alethes: I'm sick to death of my icons not staying put :) |
| 01:54.45 | Dhraakellian | and the tray icon blinks |
| 01:54.48 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: right |
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| 01:54.53 | Dhraakellian | icons on the desktop? |
| 01:54.53 | Alethes | y'know, that's probably easy to patch |
| 01:54.55 | Dhraakellian | how quaint |
| 01:55.01 | Alethes | hah |
| 01:55.24 | Alethes | I use it, 'cause I want the trash to be easily accessible |
| 01:55.33 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:56.27 | Alethes | khtml desperately needs something to indicate that images are being loaded |
| 01:56.32 | Alethes | http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/desktop_original.png |
| 01:56.32 | Alethes | like this |
| 01:56.40 | Alethes | I'm loading this link and it's just blank with no indication that it's loading |
| 01:57.10 | jepel_tailweaver | works fine here |
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| 01:57.53 | Alethes | why the hell does everything "work fine here" for everybody but me? |
| 01:57.59 | Alethes | did the fbsd port maintainers break kde? |
| 02:04.21 | MrGrim | ahh and so begins a long kdebase compile |
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| 02:05.11 | Scraggles | Can someone help me install a theme for KDE please? |
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| 02:08.36 | lfranchi | n #kde |
| 02:08.38 | lfranchi | oops |
| 02:08.40 | StevenR | Scraggles: kde version? |
| 02:09.13 | lfranchi | can someone tell me how i can set the shortcut to change virtual desktop? (i would like to set it to apple-key and desktop #) |
| 02:09.17 | Scraggles | 3.3 |
| 02:10.32 | Renze | damnit, I used to know how to get around the kopete resize window on change tabs bug, but I've forgotten |
| 02:10.48 | StevenR | Scraggles: use kcontrol --> appearence and themes --> themes? |
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| 02:11.41 | Scraggles | Don't I have to install it or something first StevenR? I have a .tar.bz2 file now |
| 02:11.56 | StevenR | Scraggles: what theme is this? link? |
| 02:12.00 | Dhraakellian | Scraggles: have you looked in it? |
| 02:12.03 | Scraggles | on sec |
| 02:12.32 | rootleak | here StevenR, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16028 |
| 02:12.42 | Scraggles | Thta's me on linux |
| 02:13.07 | StevenR | Scraggles: thats a style, not a theme, you need to compile it first |
| 02:13.50 | Renze | ah that's right... change tab location |
| 02:14.17 | Dhraakellian | Scraggles: try untarring it and checking the README or INSTALL files |
| 02:14.55 | StevenR | Dhraakellian: lipstik is good, like plastik, but configurable |
| 02:15.07 | rootleak | How do I do that StevenR? |
| 02:15.32 | StevenR | rootleak: read the INSTALL file in the archive |
| 02:15.40 | rootleak | I'm like 30 minutes into linux, so I'm still very stupid at it. |
| 02:16.05 | StevenR | rootleak: tar -xvjf name_of_archive.tar.bz2 |
| 02:16.18 | Alethes | or just open the archive in konq |
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| 02:28.54 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:29.20 | Dhraakellian | what would I have to restart for a new style installation to take affect? |
| 02:29.41 | Renze | Dhraakellian: nothing, if you installed to the right place |
| 02:29.51 | Dhraakellian | okay |
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| 02:32.17 | Alethes | gonna try to build it on fbsd |
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| 02:35.58 | Alethes | hey, only 7 megs :) |
| 02:40.12 | sredna | Of what? |
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| 02:49.58 | sredna | Why do I think it's fun sitting up at allmost 4 in the morning ? |
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| 02:51.57 | illogic-al | sredna: we should all be t least as stupid as you :-) |
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| 02:53.43 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.59 | illogic-al | NY atm |
| 02:54.02 | sredna | I don't see it beeing 4am where u are |
| 02:54.42 | sredna | I'm going to go so sleep now though, I just trhew the cat ouy .. |
| 02:54.45 | sredna | Out |
| 02:55.02 | sredna | One more test |
| 02:56.07 | illogic-al | sredna: I meant that since staying up late isn't stupid we should all be that stupid (which would make us smart!) |
| 02:56.22 | sredna | Lol |
| 02:56.30 | illogic-al | it was a roundabout complement :-) |
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| 02:58.17 | sredna | Now that I'm confident that my docbook template is well behaved, I'll go to sleep |
| 03:03.43 | Alethes | is it normal for artsd to take up about 3% of the cpu load? |
| 03:03.47 | canllaith | damnit sredna disappeared.... |
| 03:03.50 | canllaith | Alethes, yeah |
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| 03:04.07 | Alethes | hmm |
| 03:04.15 | Alethes | I'm not even sure that's the issue, actually |
| 03:04.21 | canllaith | hi :) |
| 03:04.28 | Alethes | I seem to have a high user process load according to ksysguard |
| 03:04.34 | Alethes | btw, heya, canllaith |
| 03:05.00 | canllaith | hihi :) |
| 03:06.11 | Alethes | I changed the scale on my cpu load sheet to make it not seem so bad :D |
| 03:06.18 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:06.28 | Alethes | actually using 0-100 makes sense considering percentages |
| 03:06.36 | Alethes | (from top that is) |
| 03:07.02 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, yeah if you use the latest cvs it does |
| 03:07.08 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
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| 03:08.02 | Zombie13 | 'sup |
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| 03:08.30 | Zombie13 | Anyone know Kontact really well? |
| 03:10.23 | Alethes | why not ask a more specific question? |
| 03:10.33 | Alethes | that's a relative term |
| 03:11.51 | Zombie13 | Ok. Is there a way to remove the "Birthdays and Anniversaries" section from the summary view? |
| 03:14.20 | ijuma82 | Dhraakellian: you're using gtk-qt? |
| 03:14.24 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 03:14.38 | ijuma82 | Dhraakellian: is it working well for you? |
| 03:14.59 | Dhraakellian | and I'm not wanting to restart xchat until the idlerpg bot on another network disconnects |
| 03:15.05 | Dhraakellian | ijuma82: yeah |
| 03:15.19 | Dhraakellian | xchat looks mostly like my other KDE apps |
| 03:15.26 | Dhraakellian | there are a few differences |
| 03:15.44 | Dhraakellian | and at least one appearance problem that I can see right now |
| 03:15.46 | Dhraakellian | but it's minor |
| 03:16.01 | ijuma82 | Dhraakellian: azureus made it leak memory to the point that i started swapping.... |
| 03:16.36 | ijuma82 | Dhraakellian: it*...i should probably file a bug or something |
| 03:16.58 | Zombie13 | Anybody? |
| 03:17.06 | canllaith | virgiln, um ? Back? I went somewhere ? |
| 03:17.09 | Zombie13 | How about a way to re-arrange the summary view? |
| 03:18.05 | virgiln | canllaith: well, I didn't see you saying anything... I don't know what my problem is, but it's soo much more fun to work when I know that I can yell at someone in the docs team :) |
| 03:18.11 | canllaith | :| |
| 03:18.47 | canllaith | Don't look at me, my docbook skills are pathetic. I generally yell for physos or frerich.... |
| 03:18.57 | MrGrim | anyone here got the ability to verify pgp mail? |
| 03:20.15 | virgiln | canllaith: well... that's good to know I can yell at them, but as you know, I'm the new kid, so I don't know who I can yell at |
| 03:20.24 | virgiln | :| |
| 03:20.37 | canllaith | Just randomly yell and if no-one answers post to kde-doc-english =p |
| 03:21.24 | canllaith | that said I'll help if I can lol - but my docbook skills are certainly nothing like phil/lauri/frerich in general |
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| 03:23.31 | virgiln | I know... maybe my problem is this, I don't mind helping, but sometimes I need some confermation taht I'm doing the right thing (or at least the within 500miles of the right thing) |
| 03:23.59 | Jonas_NZ | hi al |
| 03:24.07 | canllaith | hi Jonas_NZ |
| 03:24.08 | Jonas_NZ | l |
| 03:24.32 | Jonas_NZ | hey |
| 03:24.44 | Jonas_NZ | how stable is kde 3.3? |
| 03:24.48 | canllaith | very |
| 03:25.28 | Jonas_NZ | 3.3.3? |
| 03:26.01 | Jonas_NZ | is what i meant :P |
| 03:26.04 | canllaith | Isn't out yet, is it? |
| 03:26.49 | canllaith | lots of the kcm have no proper help :S |
| 03:27.14 | Jonas_NZ | hmm, i though 3.4 was out as a beta |
| 03:28.34 | Jonas_NZ | no i am wrong i was talking about the diff between 3.2.x and 3.3.x |
| 03:28.43 | Jonas_NZ | my bad |
| 03:28.45 | canllaith | Yes 3.4 is out as a beta |
| 03:28.50 | canllaith | 3.4 != 3.3.3 |
| 03:29.04 | canllaith | There are quite a few differences between 3.2 and 3.3 |
| 03:29.10 | canllaith | For one, Kmail has been amazingly improved |
| 03:29.13 | virgiln | dhraakellian: I know, I'm trying to fix it :| |
| 03:30.36 | Jonas_NZ | yeah, i got completely confused cos at the same time i was reading about other software which is currently version 0.3.3.3 and now goig to 0.3.4 or sumthing |
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| 03:32.48 | Jonas_NZ | any1 here use amarok? |
| 03:34.02 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 03:34.19 | Dhraakellian | y? do u need help with it? |
| 03:35.01 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:35.02 | Jonas_NZ | im am just about to install it, i am just wondering does it have support for MusicBrainz? |
| 03:35.08 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 03:35.20 | Jonas_NZ | k, give me a sec |
| 03:35.31 | Dhraakellian | http://qdb.us/44042 |
| 03:37.00 | canllaith | That quite just made me roll my eyes |
| 03:37.05 | canllaith | s/quite/quote/ |
| 03:38.25 | canllaith | I can think of hundreds of people who use correct grammar, spelling and punctuation on IRC (and btw, 'proper' in that sentence is terible grammar :) |
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| 03:39.11 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: how so? |
| 03:39.52 | canllaith | Well, it would not be used in Australian universities. |
| 03:40.00 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 03:40.22 | Alethes | australia doesn't do anything right anyway :) |
| 03:40.32 | Alethes | we can safely ignore their definitions of proper |
| 03:40.34 | nell | im not a kde person, i am however putting a machine together for a little old lday and am installing kde for her |
| 03:40.36 | canllaith | uhuh. The US is just _so_ much more correct then, eh? |
| 03:40.41 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:40.44 | ijuma82 | lol |
| 03:40.46 | nell | but i have come accross a major problem to which i have found a very bad solution |
| 03:40.53 | canllaith | nell, ok.. what's up? |
| 03:41.06 | nell | im having kde launch via kdm and this means that the login shell is NEVER loged into |
| 03:41.21 | nell | so /etc/profile and ~/.bash_profile are never being sourced |
| 03:41.50 | nell | ive been told that if i modify the menu item for konsole and add a --ls switch to it that it will fix it but this is STILL not a correct solution |
| 03:41.57 | nell | IS there a correct solution ? |
| 03:42.04 | canllaith | No, that will only make konsole a login shell |
| 03:42.13 | nell | or do i have to live with it being a bad fix |
| 03:42.34 | nell | canllaith, it also means that ever konsole i open will source /etc/profile |
| 03:42.38 | nell | and THAT is not correct |
| 03:42.39 | canllaith | Well, you could source /etc/profile in the startkde script ... or you can use a particular startup folder from which |
| 03:42.46 | canllaith | nell, that is exactly what I just said if you actually read it. |
| 03:42.53 | nell | canllaith, ok lol sorry |
| 03:42.58 | canllaith | ummmm there is a folder |
| 03:43.11 | nell | ok but then ~/.bash_profile will never be run |
| 03:43.11 | canllaith | Renze, what is that folder for startup things that possibly are loading environment variables? |
| 03:43.15 | nell | and that TOO is incorrect |
| 03:43.37 | canllaith | Well .... to be honest it makes not much sense to me for kdm to source .bash_profile when I don't use bash :) |
| 03:44.05 | nell | where is the startkde script and where would i add the source /etc/profile ? |
| 03:44.19 | nell | and how would i make kde source ~/.bash_profile when a specific user logs in ? |
| 03:44.26 | canllaith | `which startkde` and that's up to you and your bash skills |
| 03:44.37 | nell | i have no bash skills |
| 03:44.42 | nell | im a coder not a scripter |
| 03:44.50 | canllaith | uhuh, such a difference... |
| 03:44.54 | nell | i code asm/forth and if im being paid $200 an hour ill code c |
| 03:44.55 | grepper | canllaith, $KDEHOME/env |
| 03:44.55 | illogic-al | then bash should be no prob |
| 03:44.56 | nell | not otherwise |
| 03:45.04 | illogic-al | not that hard really |
| 03:45.07 | canllaith | nell, then I guess you don't want to solve your problem very much :) |
| 03:45.12 | canllaith | grepper, thank you |
| 03:45.24 | nell | Alethes, no - nobody pays me that lol |
| 03:45.32 | grepper | canllaith, I missed you PM last night, hope all is going ok :) |
| 03:45.33 | Alethes | you're an idiot if you can do C and can't do bash |
| 03:45.35 | Dhraakellian | asm? |
| 03:45.37 | canllaith | nell, if you pop the variables you want to set in $KDEHOME/env it will be sourced by KDM on login |
| 03:45.42 | nell | i just wouldnt code c for less :P |
| 03:45.52 | nell | canllaith, you lost me |
| 03:45.59 | canllaith | I can understand that, C is a bastard of a language |
| 03:46.05 | nell | canllaith, erm no thats STILL not correct :( |
| 03:46.10 | canllaith | nell, don't use bash_profile. Use $KDEHOME/env instead |
| 03:46.14 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: if C is a bastard, what does that say about C++? |
| 03:46.17 | canllaith | If you insist |
| 03:46.30 | Alethes | C++ the son of a bastard |
| 03:46.31 | nell | Dhraakellian, c++ is an abomination ? |
| 03:46.34 | canllaith | Dhraakellian, C++ is almost as bad |
| 03:46.47 | nell | c++ is not in any way related to c. dont let them fool you |
| 03:46.49 | grepper | oh, for kdm ? Perhaps $KDEDIR/env/ would be better if you want it for all users |
| 03:46.54 | canllaith | Although at least it is less stupid in regards to strings :) |
| 03:46.55 | Alethes | c++ is even less portable :P |
| 03:47.20 | canllaith | nell, well I'm sorry you don't think that suggestion is 'correct' enough for you. That's basically the solution...... unless you want to hack up startkde |
| 03:47.26 | nell | c isnt portable either. not unless you interleave 200 different versions of your program all into the same sources |
| 03:47.41 | canllaith | mmm I think the linux kernel would disagree with you |
| 03:48.01 | nell | canllaith, i dont want to have to do ANY of this but i HAVE to... im open to suggestions as to what is the best solution |
| 03:48.06 | canllaith | grepper, yeah ..... |
| 03:48.30 | canllaith | nell, well as far as KDE is concerned that is the most correct solution. $KDEHOME/env on a per user basis, $KDEDIR/env on a global basis |
| 03:48.46 | nell | canllaith, and ill show you 500 different versions of the linux kernel with #ifdef's scatterd throughout their code making it one HUGE gordian knot. the linux kernel is some of the worst code ive ever seen. the fact that it works is a miricle :) |
| 03:48.58 | illogic-al | play nice children. |
| 03:49.07 | nell | erm where is $KDEDIR ? |
| 03:49.23 | canllaith | nell, I'm afraid I don't consider you qualified to judge that if you struggle with simple shell concepts.... |
| 03:49.31 | nell | err i dont have any idea how to modify the contents of those variables |
| 03:49.34 | canllaith | It is also found with kde-config --prefix |
| 03:49.47 | nell | canllaith, isforth.clss.net -- read my sources and judge for yourself |
| 03:49.55 | canllaith | The prefix in which your KDE was installed, we refer to it by variables since every distro uses a different one |
| 03:50.02 | canllaith | nell, heh I wouldn't waste my time. |
| 03:50.25 | nell | canllaith, its the worlds fastest compiler (or if not THE then 'one of the') |
| 03:50.31 | Jonas_NZ | how do i find out which version of kde is installed |
| 03:50.37 | canllaith | Jonas_NZ, kde-config --version |
| 03:50.46 | canllaith | Or you can just right click on Kicker and go Help -> About |
| 03:50.51 | canllaith | (Or help about on any other kde app really) |
| 03:52.07 | Jonas_NZ | im not in kde |
| 03:52.09 | Jonas_NZ | im in gnome |
| 03:52.22 | canllaith | So at any rate, on my system $KDEDIR = /opt/kde-unstable. On yours it might be /usr or /opt/kde or whatever |
| 03:52.26 | illogic-al | kde-config --version |
| 03:52.28 | Renze | Jonas_NZ: you don't need to be in KDE to use "kde-config --version" |
| 03:52.32 | canllaith | Jonas_NZ, kde-config --version but you will probably have to specifiy full path to it |
| 03:52.33 | Jonas_NZ | yeah |
| 03:52.40 | Jonas_NZ | it worked |
| 03:52.42 | illogic-al | Output Of Command : kde-config --version |
| 03:52.42 | illogic-al | Qt: 3.3.3 |
| 03:52.42 | illogic-al | KDE: 3.3.91 (beta1) |
| 03:52.43 | illogic-al | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 03:52.55 | Jonas_NZ | im just tryin gto get mp3 support going under fedora |
| 03:53.22 | illogic-al | being in here wont help you w/ that |
| 03:53.23 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:53.26 | canllaith | Silly fedora |
| 03:53.35 | Alethes | adios kiddos |
| 03:53.36 | illogic-al | i can tell you that you'll need livna sources |
| 03:53.38 | Renze | Jonas_NZ: you'll need to be in #fedora for that |
| 03:53.49 | Jonas_NZ | i know what to do |
| 03:53.58 | Jonas_NZ | it just didnt work so im degbugging |
| 03:55.34 | Jonas_NZ | brb |
| 03:56.56 | canllaith | Why is cvs diff so gosh darn agressive? (OH YOU HAVE ADDED A NEWLINE LETS REPORT THIS AS 17 LINES CHANGED) |
| 04:02.17 | virgiln | canllaith:don't know, haven't experenced myself to greatly in that....... but the time will come I suppose :) |
| 04:03.10 | virgiln | canllaith:what's lauri doing? |
| 04:03.21 | canllaith | being very very busy with work related stuff |
| 04:03.44 | virgiln | canllaith:like, work as in, like not documentation!??! |
| 04:04.08 | canllaith | shock horror I know |
| 04:06.38 | virgiln | :) |
| 04:07.06 | canllaith | mmm what should I cook for dinner |
| 04:07.12 | canllaith | or should I make andrew cook dinner |
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| 04:08.29 | canllaith | oh! anders where are you .... |
| 04:08.41 | canllaith | damnit I could just kiss him for that. He's improving kate docbook support! :D |
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| 04:09.31 | canllaith | Well, the template is for a handbook |
| 04:09.55 | virgiln | truely, I know, but while we were on the subject anyway... :) |
| 04:10.08 | Jonas_NZ | who was it who was using amarok |
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| 04:13.01 | Oleg_ | hi, canllaith |
| 04:13.21 | Jonas_NZ | can some1 help me with amarok |
| 04:13.48 | Oleg_ | people? |
| 04:15.34 | canllaith | hi Oleg_ |
| 04:15.43 | canllaith | sorry, wrestling with emacs |
| 04:15.54 | Oleg_ | I missed you |
| 04:16.16 | Dhraakellian | Jonas_NZ: what's the problem? |
| 04:16.44 | Jonas_NZ | i dont get how i can view music library |
| 04:16.52 | Jonas_NZ | its so different to everything els |
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| 04:17.25 | Dhraakellian | do you have the playlist window showing? |
| 04:17.31 | Jonas_NZ | yeah |
| 04:17.52 | Dhraakellian | go to the collection tab in amarok's sidebar |
| 04:18.06 | Jonas_NZ | yeah |
| 04:18.09 | Dhraakellian | click the configure button |
| 04:18.37 | Jonas_NZ | yeah i select my music folder |
| 04:18.40 | Dhraakellian | and add your music directory (or directories) to the collection |
| 04:18.52 | Dhraakellian | click okay |
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| 04:19.03 | Dhraakellian | and then it should generate your collection |
| 04:19.27 | Jonas_NZ | ok isee |
| 04:19.30 | Dhraakellian | after that, you can browse by artist, album, genre, etc |
| 04:19.40 | Jonas_NZ | now how can i get it to tag from music brainz? |
| 04:19.43 | Dhraakellian | and filter things using the filter bar |
| 04:20.09 | Dhraakellian | right-click on the track |
| 04:20.14 | Jonas_NZ | yeah |
| 04:20.15 | Dhraakellian | view/edit meta information |
| 04:20.34 | Jonas_NZ | yeah |
| 04:20.42 | Jonas_NZ | theres a button but its grayed out |
| 04:20.57 | Dhraakellian | clicking on a track? |
| 04:21.01 | Dhraakellian | or on an album? |
| 04:21.10 | Jonas_NZ | track |
| 04:21.32 | Dhraakellian | in the collection browser? |
| 04:21.41 | Jonas_NZ | yep |
| 04:21.45 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 04:21.48 | Dhraakellian | what version? |
| 04:22.04 | Jonas_NZ | 1.1.1 |
| 04:22.39 | Jonas_NZ | what version should i need |
| 04:22.48 | Jonas_NZ | what version is out? |
| 04:23.00 | Dhraakellian | Jonas_NZ: try adding stuff to the playlist and then doing it |
| 04:23.13 | Jonas_NZ | doesnt work either |
| 04:23.15 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:23.21 | Dhraakellian | ask in #amarok, perhaps |
| 04:23.23 | Jonas_NZ | whats amaroks homepage? |
| 04:23.29 | Dhraakellian | amarok.kde.org |
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| 04:31.08 | canllaith | wb grepper |
| 04:31.30 | grepper | thanks |
| 04:31.32 | grepper | just tried xandros, crappy thing wouldn't even boot |
| 04:31.37 | grepper | install disk that is |
| 04:31.38 | canllaith | oh :( |
| 04:31.40 | canllaith | that sucks |
| 04:31.55 | grepper | well, I was curious is all |
| 04:32.04 | grepper | not sure I would have used it for this machine |
| 04:32.45 | grepper | I may try ProMepis when the final new version comes out |
| 04:33.30 | grepper | not for me of course, debian sid is great for me |
| 04:33.38 | canllaith | grepper, tried suse? I have had nice experiences with suse - slack is my fav but if this is for your nephew he might not be keen |
| 04:33.50 | grepper | I'm just curious how these commercial debian attempts deal with menus |
| 04:34.29 | grepper | canllaith, hmm, SuSe seemed nice when I tried it, but I think upgrading when you have the free version is problematic, no ? |
| 04:34.50 | grepper | plus I know debian pretty well, so support will be easier if I use a debian based distro |
| 04:34.54 | canllaith | grepper, I don't actually think it is, you should try asking aseigo but I am pretty sure you can add basically anything the free version lacks through yast if you add the right sources |
| 04:34.59 | canllaith | grepper, ah fair enough :) |
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| 04:35.18 | grepper | had enough I'm giving him gnome :( |
| 04:35.29 | grepper | which I don't know 100th as well as kde |
| 04:36.51 | grepper | debian's menus suck - maybe cause I have everything under the sun installed and they feel the need to put it in the menu |
| 04:37.04 | canllaith | Why not just edit the menu and remove everything but what you think he'll use? |
| 04:37.10 | grepper | if you tried ubuntu you would see what I mean |
| 04:37.18 | canllaith | at least it's easier for you to support KDE for him |
| 04:37.29 | grepper | yeah, did that - actually I'm giving him a dual boot with sid or sarge and kde |
| 04:37.42 | grepper | just in case he wants to try it |
| 04:37.46 | canllaith | I know what you mean, slack is the same. There are a billion apps in the default menus - I just remove the ones I'm not likely to use and have perhaps 4 apps in every category |
| 04:37.51 | canllaith | Suse has gorgeous menus by default, so simple. |
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| 04:37.57 | grepper | but I'm going to keep it simple |
| 04:38.01 | grepper | ah, ok |
| 04:38.12 | grepper | might be worth another look then |
| 04:38.43 | grepper | my customized kde menus are not bad - but the ability to make BIG icons in the menu would be nice |
| 04:39.05 | grepper | and to make BIG text without also making menu text BIG everywhere else |
| 04:39.11 | canllaith | You can make big menus |
| 04:39.11 | aseigo | grepper: i upgrade suse all the time |
| 04:39.32 | grepper | aseigo, the free version ? OK, I wasn't sure how easy it was |
| 04:39.32 | aseigo | grepper: i used to purchase boxed sets but they are impossible to find since the Novell thing |
| 04:39.55 | canllaith | I just found out how to make big icons in the menus infact ;) |
| 04:39.58 | grepper | does SuSE have something like urpmi or apt4rpm ? |
| 04:40.03 | aseigo | grepper: yep.. just download the boot.iso, and when it says put in CD 1 press the "Back" button |
| 04:40.06 | grepper | canllaith, do tell ! |
| 04:40.22 | aseigo | grepper: follow the instructions from there.. have an ftp or http mirror address available |
| 04:40.27 | grepper | cool |
| 04:40.31 | canllaith | grepper, right down the bottom of your kickerrc |
| 04:40.38 | aseigo | grepper: YAST is their urpmi/apt4rpm |
| 04:40.39 | canllaith | under [menus[ |
| 04:40.45 | canllaith | fuck [menus] |
| 04:40.48 | aseigo | grepper: and security updates are both (optionally) automatic and free |
| 04:40.52 | canllaith | MenuEntryHeight=22 |
| 04:40.57 | grepper | I don't have fuck in the menu |
| 04:41.02 | canllaith | That's icon size in pixels, b asically |
| 04:41.30 | canllaith | So fiddle with that value until you get a nice size... I like mine at 10 personally but your nephew will probably gain from big, clear icons |
| 04:41.36 | aseigo | grepper: and YAST runs both in ncurses as well as X... so no X, or remote ... it's a breeze. and they have probably the best set of admin panels going right now |
| 04:42.00 | grepper | aseigo, ok, I'm going to give it another look |
| 04:42.19 | grepper | still, support would be so easy if I have him a debian based distro |
| 04:42.23 | aseigo | canllaith: and you thought you knew all the kicker tricks before ;-) |
| 04:42.31 | aseigo | grepper: why? |
| 04:42.45 | aseigo | grepper: becaues it never gets upgraded? ;-) |
| 04:42.51 | canllaith | aseigo, hahaha well you have to admit I knew more of them than anyone else apart from you =p |
| 04:42.52 | grepper | aseigo, because I know it better ? |
| 04:42.56 | aseigo | canllaith: that's true |
| 04:42.57 | aseigo | grepper: ah |
| 04:43.07 | grepper | aseigo, ewh, I wouldn't give him "stable" |
| 04:43.19 | grepper | it would be nice if sarge had come out on time, then I would have |
| 04:43.42 | aseigo | grepper: some of the things i like about SUSE is how post-install, you go to online update and you can install the MS web fonts, media stuff, the NVidia binary drivers, etc... |
| 04:43.48 | mobtek | wow how nice is Kompose now |
| 04:43.57 | aseigo | mobtek: it's getting better hrm? |
| 04:43.59 | grepper | cool |
| 04:44.06 | mobtek | aseigo: yeah it's really usable now |
| 04:44.13 | grepper | so no 2nd class citezenship for the free version ? |
| 04:44.18 | mobtek | like I'm using it |
| 04:44.34 | mobtek | much much faster than the 0.3.x series |
| 04:45.04 | aseigo | grepper: nope |
| 04:45.34 | aseigo | grepper: in fact, the enterprise version is almost exactly identical software version for version, except the enterprise version has fewer choices (they q/a the packages harder) |
| 04:45.51 | aseigo | grepper: so, SLES9 is SUSE Pro 9.1 minus a bunch of packages |
| 04:46.11 | aseigo | i prefer that policy to the relationship between FC and RHEL |
| 04:47.48 | grepper | cool |
| 04:47.48 | grepper | canllaith, hmm, didn't seem to work with a kicker reload |
| 04:47.48 | canllaith | Must try suse |
| 04:48.00 | canllaith | grepper, you may have to kill kicker, put that in the file, then restart kicker |
| 04:48.21 | canllaith | In head it's pretty good about not overwriting your kickerrc that you're in the middle of editing when you dcop restart it, but I believe in earlier versions it did |
| 04:48.54 | canllaith | The only thing I have to kill it for now is disabling the bookmarks & quick browsers.. it really doesn't seem to like me setting those to false :\ |
| 04:49.19 | grepper | nope, doesn't work |
| 04:49.34 | grepper | maybe just works in head ? |
| 04:49.45 | grepper | or too many entries so its scaling them ? |
| 04:50.02 | canllaith | mmmm maybe it does only work in head, I don't have a copy of the stable source to grep through it |
| 04:50.03 | aseigo | grepper: yes, just in HEAD |
| 04:50.11 | canllaith | ahhhh ok then. Eeep, sorry I didn't realise that was a new one |
| 04:50.14 | aseigo | it was a SUSE patch i merged in, actually |
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| 04:50.21 | aseigo | SUSE has it in 9.x |
| 04:50.24 | canllaith | I'm sorry :( I suck grepper |
| 04:50.35 | canllaith | aseigo, so THAT is how they have the nice big clear menus! |
| 04:50.44 | aseigo | and i saw it in the list of OS vendor patches and went, "hey. i want that." |
| 04:50.47 | aseigo | canllaith: yep |
| 04:50.53 | canllaith | ahhh :) I see. |
| 04:51.11 | canllaith | The coolest thing about doing kicker stuff is I know kicker so well as an application I can nearly always look at the code and visualise in my head what it really does |
| 04:51.18 | aseigo | that's another thing i like about SUSE. their patches (in general) suck the least |
| 04:51.27 | canllaith | Since I suck so bad at anything programming related that is a real boon |
| 04:51.41 | grepper | could I apply it to 3.3.2 ? |
| 04:51.52 | aseigo | gregday: yep |
| 04:52.09 | aseigo | er, grepper: yep |
| 04:52.25 | grepper | nice, any url to save me googling my brains out :) |
| 04:52.42 | canllaith | aseigo, hmmm saves what to show me in a few years ? |
| 04:53.04 | peacekpr | where the *heck* do i get kwireless from ? for FreeBSD |
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| 04:53.19 | glick | excuse me whats the latest version of kontact |
| 04:53.34 | aseigo | canllaith: the whole "i suck so bad at anything programming" =) |
| 04:53.43 | peacekpr | glick: that's on www.kde.org |
| 04:53.51 | aseigo | or... kontact.org |
| 04:53.55 | canllaith | aseigo, oh I do, I suck so hard. it just amazes me that no-one else I work with will believe me |
| 04:53.58 | peacekpr | hehe |
| 04:54.27 | aseigo | grepper: yay! |
| 04:54.29 | gregday | 3M/512K |
| 04:54.56 | glick | i dont see it |
| 04:55.32 | peacekpr | anyone know where i can find that little KDE Panel Applet for monitoring WiFI signal strength ? |
| 04:56.09 | aseigo | peacekpr: kde-apps.org? |
| 04:56.26 | aseigo | grepper: oh. you want a patch? |
| 04:56.29 | aseigo | grepper: gimme a minute |
| 04:56.43 | glick | mine is 1.something |
| 04:56.48 | glick | is this the latest verion |
| 04:56.51 | glick | version? |
| 04:57.42 | aseigo | 1.0.2 |
| 04:57.58 | grepper | aseigo, http://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=6716&action=view |
| 04:58.08 | grepper | that one will apply cleanly to 3.3 ? |
| 04:58.27 | glick | i have 1.0.1 |
| 04:58.45 | glick | is that fairly recent? |
| 04:58.59 | canllaith | glick, why don't you go look it up ? |
| 04:59.17 | canllaith | We're on version 1.1pre in kde cvs head |
| 04:59.20 | glick | canllaith, i did i cant see version numbers |
| 04:59.35 | glick | man kde 3.3 is hella schweet |
| 04:59.42 | aseigo | grepper: yep. that one should work |
| 04:59.46 | canllaith | So I'd say your 1.0.1 is pretty recent |
| 04:59.52 | aseigo | glick: yes. 1.0.1 is likely 3.3.1 |
| 05:00.00 | aseigo | 1.0.2 would be 3.3.2 |
| 05:00.04 | grepper | kewl, thanks |
| 05:03.08 | canllaith | heh |
| 05:04.17 | canllaith | 3.2 was darn nice, but yes 3.3 is gorgeous.. and 3.4? Wow. |
| 05:04.28 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:04.53 | Dhraakellian | where would you say the biggest improvement was so far in the 3.x line? |
| 05:05.02 | canllaith | Kmail was huge, amazingly huge |
| 05:05.03 | Dhraakellian | between versions, that is |
| 05:05.16 | grepper | damn, I'm not going to rebuild all of kdebase for a few line patch - how much else does the kicker dir need ? |
| 05:05.18 | Dhraakellian | like 3.1.x to 3.2.x |
| 05:05.52 | canllaith | grepper, you can just rebuild kicker.. |
| 05:06.39 | grepper | ok, I'm going to try |
| 05:06.43 | gregday | I saw a comment on slashdot the other day that casually mentione that Kmail is "the best graphical mail client ever coded, period" |
| 05:07.04 | canllaith | Kmail rocks much harder than anything else I have ever used |
| 05:07.12 | gregday | indeed |
| 05:07.19 | gregday | it got me to stop using mutt, and that's really something ;) |
| 05:07.27 | canllaith | which reminds me I should see if a wish has been filed for thunderbird style highlighting messages in different colours |
| 05:08.01 | canllaith | I like to highlight all emails with dealer logins in them in bright blue ... the eye filters by colour so easily, you can scan only the blue ones and not even notice the rest. |
| 05:15.50 | grepper | nice, patch applied cleanly |
| 05:17.13 | gregday | $ cd kaffe ; make |
| 05:20.24 | peacekpr | how do i find the basedir for kdebase ? |
| 05:20.40 | canllaith | basedir? That would be kdebase surely |
| 05:20.48 | *** part/#kde jsakalos (~jsakalos@ns.success.cz) |
| 05:20.49 | peacekpr | yeah, but like.. where is it ? |
| 05:20.52 | sequitur | lo sounds like a riddle |
| 05:21.09 | canllaith | Wherever you download it to (I assume you're building some source code here) |
| 05:21.19 | canllaith | Check it out of cvs, grab a tarball from download.kde.org ... |
| 05:21.31 | peacekpr | canllaith: it was part of the OS install |
| 05:21.42 | peacekpr | i have a /usr/local/kde/bin .. is that the base directory ? |
| 05:21.52 | canllaith | I'm not sure can we have some context please? |
| 05:22.05 | peacekpr | base directory of kde ? :P |
| 05:22.17 | canllaith | probably KDEDIR I guess |
| 05:22.20 | peacekpr | trying to get KWirelessMonitory to work |
| 05:22.22 | canllaith | but context? What is asking you/telling you for it |
| 05:22.29 | canllaith | Right, can I have the actual error message ? |
| 05:23.17 | peacekpr | there isn't an 'error message' perse... but i ran the application, a "blank" icon displayed on the taskbar... i went to the website to see if people had asked about it, and pach says to ./configure --prefix=<kde base directory> |
| 05:23.26 | canllaith | gotcha |
| 05:23.32 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.38 | canllaith | is the easiest way :) |
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| 05:24.18 | peacekpr | i'll try it ;) |
| 05:24.40 | marcusU | I have used Kooka to scan materal that was originally written on engineering pad, and I want to make it into PDF format for viewing, without creating overly-huge files. Any suggestions? |
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| 05:24.44 | tdfc | hi |
| 05:27.29 | aseigo | marcusU: hrm... good question.. the cheap route is to print to pdf obviously. but i don't know how big of a pdf that would make. i assume you tried that and the results weren't acceptable |
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| 05:27.45 | marcusU | aseigo: They were pretty big. |
| 05:28.08 | marcusU | I'm not sure what kind of transformation on the image to attempt, like with Gimp or such. |
| 05:28.17 | peacekpr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.17 | peacekpr | This should put all the binaries and icons in the right place when you do "make install". That way, the application should be in your $PATH, and it should be able to find the icons correctly. |
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| 05:28.25 | aseigo | marcusU: oooh! have you tried scribus? |
| 05:28.26 | peacekpr | ack... sorry about that |
| 05:28.37 | marcusU | aseigo: What is it? Where is it? |
| 05:28.59 | aseigo | marcusU: save the images in a compact format, then place them in a Scribus document and print to PDF from there. they have their own PDF writing engine and it's pretty kick ass |
| 05:29.28 | aseigo | marcusU: dunno about file sizes but it's known to have probably the best PDF output on Unix right now |
| 05:29.34 | marcusU | aseigo: Okay. I'll look. i didn't realize that this was going to be so difficult. |
| 05:30.01 | aseigo | marcusU: http://www.scribus.net/ |
| 05:30.15 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: haha.. it's called "nostalgic" ;) |
| 05:31.37 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:32.04 | Dhraakellian | it'd be nice if it actually reflected the current windec and style a bit more completely |
| 05:33.09 | MrGrim | damn, kicker is a lot more flexible than I thought it was... I just spent the last 1.5 hours playing with it |
| 05:34.30 | gregday | "you could spend all day customizing the titlebar. trust me, i know from experience." -- matt welsh |
| 05:36.06 | MrGrim | http://gr1m.org/panel.png |
| 05:36.08 | MrGrim | check it out :) |
| 05:37.30 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:37.44 | marcusU | aseigo: Printing to PDF so far, each page is 95K. :-( |
| 05:37.56 | aseigo | marcusU: in scribus? |
| 05:38.33 | MrGrim | I'd use transparancy except java and gtk programs that use the systray mess it up :/ |
| 05:38.55 | MrGrim | namely gaim and azureus |
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| 05:39.54 | marcusU | aseigo: I'm still waiting for scribus to download. The problem is that I don't know what to do to make the file smaller... I'm sure if I knew the magic incantation to tell ImageMagick or The Gimp, it would do it, but i just don't know what to tell it. |
| 05:41.01 | aseigo | marcusU: the less information in the scan the smaller the files can be.. so if you remove background flecks and what not that often helps. i usually increase contrast and brightness to make the background go flat |
| 05:41.41 | MrGrim | holy crap |
| 05:41.43 | MrGrim | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/11/0445242&from=rss |
| 05:41.54 | grepper | aseigo, would it work to just run make and make install in kicker/ui ? |
| 05:41.56 | aseigo | if i need the original quality in the subject, then i resort to selecting with the lasso tool and erasing the background that way |
| 05:42.01 | marcusU | aseigo: I saw one filter that seems to be able to remove the green back graph background in The Gimp, but it didn't really reduce the size. |
| 05:42.07 | aseigo | grepper: no. you have to do it from kicker/ |
| 05:42.09 | grepper | I'm getting other errors trying to build the whole thing |
| 05:42.15 | grepper | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../../libkonq/libkonq.la', needed by `libkicker_core.la'. Stop. |
| 05:42.19 | grepper | hmm |
| 05:43.08 | aseigo | MrGrim: wow. |
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| 05:50.41 | Oleg_ | gotta take a shower |
| 05:55.26 | ijuma82 | MrGrim: azureus uses swt which uses gtk, so...you actually mean gtk apps screw it up :) |
| 05:55.41 | MrGrim | hehe |
| 05:55.42 | MrGrim | ya :) |
| 05:55.48 | MrGrim | any ideas on how to fix it? :) |
| 05:56.21 | ijuma82 | MrGrim: I don't. |
| 05:57.10 | aseigo | MrGrim: i think i see what ibm is doing... |
| 05:57.25 | aseigo | MrGrim: have you looked over the actual patents? |
| 05:58.38 | MrGrim | aseigo: nope |
| 05:59.23 | MrGrim | what do you think ibm is up to? |
| 06:00.56 | aseigo | i think they are likely doing either or both of the following: |
| 06:01.04 | MrGrim | hmm I think my kdebase compile with patched kdiconview.cc is almost done :D |
| 06:01.17 | MrGrim | soon I the era of reorganizing all my icons 18 times a day will be OVER |
| 06:01.32 | aseigo | having identified patents they hold that Open Source already flagrantly violates and which they are still making money on, they are freeing them for use in such projects |
| 06:01.55 | MrGrim | well that's good |
| 06:02.07 | aseigo | this protects their revenue stream ("hey! you don't even care about your patents.") and helps ease the mind of those they are selling linux to |
| 06:02.21 | aseigo | the other thing they might be doing is laying out a plan of things they are going to bring to Linux |
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| 06:02.35 | MrGrim | or want others to bring out for them :P |
| 06:02.36 | Octane | can someone recommend a nice little disk management tool |
| 06:02.41 | aseigo | and these are the patented technologies their developers will be leveraging |
| 06:02.45 | Octane | im too scared of using fdisk from terminal |
| 06:02.45 | MrGrim | Octane: parted if you don't mind cli |
| 06:02.58 | Octane | say what |
| 06:03.02 | aseigo | there area a number of interesting kernel level, storage system and linker toolchain patents in there |
| 06:03.05 | MrGrim | cli = command line interface |
| 06:03.10 | MrGrim | parted = partitioning program |
| 06:03.20 | ijuma82 | aseigo: and the good publicity doesn't hurt :) |
| 06:03.21 | Octane | thank you |
| 06:03.49 | MrGrim | aseigo: it also implies that ibm will use its patent portfolio to product oss |
| 06:03.57 | MrGrim | tho it isn't by any means explicit |
| 06:04.03 | MrGrim | erm |
| 06:04.07 | MrGrim | s/product/protect |
| 06:04.11 | MrGrim | I blame my dyslexia |
| 06:04.15 | gregday | i wonder if the community could survive an attack from IBM, if it came |
| 06:04.24 | Renze | MrGrim: lysdexia? |
| 06:04.27 | aseigo | some these patents are pretty obviously violated by KDE .. |
| 06:04.41 | MrGrim | gregday: based on the moves ibm is making, I think ibm will be protecting oss from attacks |
| 06:04.42 | aseigo | US6262725 Method for displaying holidays in a locale-sensitive manner across distributed computer enterprise locales |
| 06:04.45 | aseigo | as just one ;-) |
| 06:04.55 | gregday | aseigo: I think the spring-loaded folder apple thing is ridiculous |
| 06:05.02 | aseigo | some of them, i'm not so sure they are yet |
| 06:05.11 | aseigo | gregday: tell me about it |
| 06:05.36 | gregday | of course *all software patents are ridiculous* of course |
| 06:05.40 | gregday | but that strikes me as particularly retarded |
| 06:06.05 | aseigo | gregday: if they decided to turn on the community? besides being a bit of an odd thing for them to do at this point, it would hurt the community certainly ... it would survive, but how healthy it would be afterwards would be a good question |
| 06:06.35 | aseigo | gregday: hrm. well, i don't think all software patents are rediculous. but ones that simply cover the math or basic concepts certainly are. |
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| 06:06.47 | voltagex | what's the terminal called that kde uses? |
| 06:06.54 | Renze | konsole |
| 06:06.55 | MrGrim | konsole? |
| 06:07.11 | aseigo | US5689668 Dynamic hierarchical selection menu <-- hahaha |
| 06:07.17 | Octane | MrGrim: maybe you can help. it says a certain part is mounted when its not (its a swap part) |
| 06:07.19 | aseigo | US5699534 Multiple display pointers for computer graphical user interfaces |
| 06:07.19 | UziMonkey | (but xterm is still better :P) |
| 06:07.20 | aseigo | oh man |
| 06:07.33 | UziMonkey | what use could that be? |
| 06:07.46 | gregday | it's like as long as the sentence hasn't been typed up before, it's a new idea and thus patentable |
| 06:07.53 | MrGrim | Octane: huh what? |
| 06:08.03 | UziMonkey | two mice for the _really_ graphically oriented |
| 06:08.16 | MrGrim | Octane: is this about konsole? |
| 06:08.26 | Octane | no about parted |
| 06:08.36 | aseigo | most of the HCI patents are pretty weak |
| 06:08.49 | aseigo | some of the lower level patents sound like they could be more interesting though |
| 06:08.50 | voltagex | ok |
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| 06:09.18 | MrGrim | mmon -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -D_GNU_SOURCE -c -o desktop.lo desktop.cc |
| 06:09.18 | MrGrim | kdiconview.cc: In constructor `KDIconView::KDIconView(QWidget*, const char*)': |
| 06:09.18 | MrGrim | kdiconview.cc:97: error: class `KDIconView' does not have any field named `m_bEditableDesktopIcons' |
| 06:09.18 | MrGrim | kdiconview.cc:143: error: `m_bEditableDesktopIcons' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 06:09.20 | MrGrim | noooooooo |
| 06:14.09 | MrGrim | hmm I think I fixed it... I really hope this doesn't break |
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| 06:15.03 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 06:15.19 | Dhraakellian | how do I restart kdesktop without it cluttering up a konsole window? |
| 06:15.54 | Dhraakellian | (or an xterm window...) |
| 06:16.00 | MrGrim | alt-f2? |
| 06:16.06 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim: nope. |
| 06:16.18 | MrGrim | got me |
| 06:16.19 | Dhraakellian | since alt+f2 is done by kdesktop |
| 06:16.24 | MrGrim | doh |
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| 06:16.33 | Dhraakellian | yeah... |
| 06:16.43 | MrGrim | just suck it up and ignore a konsole tab for the rest of your session :P |
| 06:16.43 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: just put it into the background and then Ctrl-D to log out... |
| 06:16.49 | gregday | i usually run kdesktop& in a terminal, to watch for errors, then Ctrl-D |
| 06:16.50 | aseigo | (log out of the konsole/xterm) |
| 06:16.54 | aseigo | gregday: wee |
| 06:17.14 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 06:17.21 | gregday | oh :P |
| 06:17.29 | Dhraakellian | thanks |
| 06:17.48 | MrGrim | ok this stupid thing better recognize it's almost finished compiling and not try to recompile everything |
| 06:17.52 | MrGrim | I swear make annoys the piss out of me |
| 06:17.53 | gregday | is there not an equivalent to what kicker has (dcop kicker kicker restart) for kdesktop? that would rock |
| 06:18.02 | Dhraakellian | yeah |
| 06:18.03 | MrGrim | oh god it's running configure again :/ |
| 06:18.13 | sarah03 | Hum. kdepim [yesterday's HEAD] doesn't like builddir != srcdir. |
| 06:19.16 | Renze | MrGrim: you really should be calling ebuild directly instead of emerge if you're patching... there are directions on gentoo.org |
| 06:19.25 | MrGrim | I AM |
| 06:19.29 | MrGrim | that's why I slapped ebuild |
| 06:19.51 | MrGrim | if I'm really really lucky configure won't screw it make and make will skip all the files that are already compiled |
| 06:20.30 | albano | Hello. |
| 06:20.36 | MrGrim | mwahaha it worked |
| 06:20.47 | Renze | doing the ebuild compile step? |
| 06:20.54 | MrGrim | yup |
| 06:21.07 | MrGrim | it skipped right over everything and started where it left off |
| 06:21.13 | MrGrim | that was a close call |
| 06:21.41 | MrGrim | now lets just hope the half baked modifcations I did to the kdesktop source code to hack in a cvs patch didn't really screw it up ;) |
| 06:22.27 | albano | Hi. |
| 06:23.39 | albano | I have a very small, faded-black pixel on my LCD. |
| 06:23.46 | albano | Is this a dead pixel? |
| 06:23.58 | Renze | probably |
| 06:24.19 | albano | Sorry. I am not sure that it is a pixel, but I called it that anyway. |
| 06:24.19 | gregday | if you hold Ctrl and click it, sandra bullock will steal your identity |
| 06:24.25 | Renze | but this isn't the place to ask about that :) |
| 06:24.56 | Renze | this is #kde, not #lcd_monitors_are_cool |
| 06:25.21 | albano | Could it have gotten like this from putting too much fluid on the screen when cleaning? |
| 06:25.34 | Renze | no idea... I've never owned an lcd screen |
| 06:25.53 | Renze | feel free to buy me one |
| 06:26.16 | marcusU | albano: I think that they just do that sometimes. |
| 06:26.31 | albano | I read that the screen has a semi-porous plastic coating and that you need to be careful not to short out some transistors or display elements when cleaning. |
| 06:27.32 | Renze | albano: and I'm still wondering... what does that have to do with KDE? |
| 06:27.59 | marcusU | He's using his LCD monitor with KDE. Duh. |
| 06:28.07 | Renze | weak |
| 06:28.12 | Renze | tenuous at best |
| 06:28.22 | marcusU | albano: Renze is grumpy. |
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| 06:28.54 | Renze | no, I'm not grumpy... I just don't want #kde to turn into a "we deal with everything" channel |
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| 06:33.21 | MrGrim | it WORKS |
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| 06:39.34 | bietch | where is Renze ? |
| 06:39.36 | bietch | Renze! |
| 06:39.43 | Renze | eh? |
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| 06:41.55 | [Aura]kingwanja | i installed firefox on here yesterday and it was workingfine , but now i dont see it in my start menu browser list , does anyone know why i cant see firefox ? |
| 06:42.33 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, Did you add it to your kmenu? At any rate, using kappfinder will probably pick it up and add it to your kmenu again |
| 06:43.15 | Renze | canllaith: I see what you mean about kopete tab sizes :) |
| 06:43.24 | [Aura]kingwanja | well the list has changed , things seem to be in a differant place now |
| 06:43.40 | canllaith | Renze, aye they get out of hand really fast heh |
| 06:45.07 | canllaith | ok lets see how long 2.6.10 takes |
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| 06:45.43 | grepper | canllaith, aseigo: works ! |
| 06:45.53 | grepper | nice BIG menu icons - thanks |
| 06:45.54 | canllaith | grepper, yay! |
| 06:46.01 | canllaith | :) |
| 06:46.07 | Jonas_NZ | any1 here use fedora core 3? |
| 06:46.19 | canllaith | Not if I can help it :P |
| 06:46.29 | Renze | damn! beat me to it! :P |
| 06:46.35 | gregday | canllaith: may i ask how your nick is pronounced? |
| 06:46.36 | canllaith | hehehe stealin all Renze's lines ;) |
| 06:46.52 | canllaith | gregday, hahaha may I ask what variant of english you speak? |
| 06:46.58 | Jonas_NZ | hmm, and canllaith i couldnt get slackware to like my gfx card |
| 06:47.01 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: wher is the kapfinder ? |
| 06:47.02 | canllaith | To describe phonetics over the net is really difficult |
| 06:47.10 | Jonas_NZ | kept on screwing me ove |
| 06:47.11 | canllaith | Jonas_NZ, which card? |
| 06:47.20 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, just run it from the 'run' box |
| 06:47.21 | Jonas_NZ | NVIDIA FX5200 |
| 06:47.31 | canllaith | Jonas_NZ, you mean the identical card I have in two slack boxes here? :) |
| 06:47.41 | gregday | canllaith: well.. it just seems a bit ambiguous... |
| 06:47.55 | Renze | gregday: can you do a welsh accent? |
| 06:47.57 | canllaith | Works great, I have the hardware support for reasonably fast rendering of the pretty drop shadows |
| 06:48.09 | gregday | welsh scares me |
| 06:48.27 | Jonas_NZ | i dunno, i installed slackware doing a full install for the hell of it, then every time i tried to configure X its would die on startx |
| 06:48.34 | Jonas_NZ | and suddenly reset |
| 06:48.41 | canllaith | gregday, oh I agree with you - but for me, an australian with british parents who is living in NZ, to describe phonetics to you... well, unless you speak with my accent it wont really make any sense will it? :) |
| 06:48.45 | Jonas_NZ | like boot up again without shutting down first |
| 06:49.04 | [Aura]kingwanja | i just run k appfinder and it didnt detect firefox , but i had it yesetrday and it was working fine |
| 06:49.08 | gregday | canllaith: i suppose you have a point |
| 06:49.19 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, when you say you had it yesterday....? |
| 06:49.37 | canllaith | gregday, heh this just comes from recently trying to describe the german pronunciation of a word to an indian man who lives in new york over the net |
| 06:49.48 | canllaith | It all fell down when he said 'so is that aus as in, australia or as in the oss in floss?' |
| 06:49.57 | canllaith | I'm thinking... you say those differently? Oh god.... |
| 06:50.00 | albano | How do I fix a small, faded-black dot on my screen? |
| 06:50.13 | Renze | albano: buy a new screen |
| 06:50.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: .. i downloaded it through urpmi and used it and it was in the menu browser list |
| 06:50.52 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, gotcha. Well you can try manually adding it using the menu editor but apart from that I am afraid I don't know where it got to. |
| 06:51.03 | canllaith | Sometimes there are conflicts on mandrake though, between menudrake and kmenueditor |
| 06:51.12 | canllaith | that causes menu behaviours to be a little strange |
| 06:51.31 | [Aura]kingwanja | its not in the menu editor list |
| 06:51.53 | canllaith | ... no, you'd have to add it |
| 06:51.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | no |
| 06:52.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | sorry i didnt mean no there , lol |
| 06:52.56 | canllaith | :P |
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| 06:53.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | how do i add it / |
| 06:53.28 | canllaith | Just right click on the kmenu |
| 06:53.48 | canllaith | and select menu editor - or run kmenuedit if it's not there |
| 06:54.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | yes ive got that |
| 06:54.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | its not in the list onthe left |
| 06:54.58 | Renze | you have to add it |
| 06:55.09 | Renze | the list on the left is your menu |
| 06:55.12 | canllaith | The list on the left represents your current menu |
| 06:55.20 | Renze | snap! |
| 06:55.24 | [Aura]kingwanja | oh ok |
| 06:55.28 | canllaith | If you go and click on 'internet' then 'file -> new item' :) |
| 06:55.46 | canllaith | Then you can fill out the section to the right - you might need to open a terminal and type 'which firefox' to find out the whole path |
| 06:55.55 | albano | I think it was not here until I started cleaning my screen with excessive fluid |
| 06:56.22 | Renze | albano: and I ask once again... what does a dead pixel on your lcd monitor have to do with KDE? |
| 06:56.50 | Renze | canllaith: it avoids problems if your PATH changes :) |
| 06:57.28 | albano | You can make a dead pixel by pushing too hard? |
| 06:58.13 | Jonas_NZ | canllaith, what package management system does slack use? |
| 06:58.28 | canllaith | it uses pkgtool |
| 06:58.51 | canllaith | and then you can add things like slapt-get and swaret ontop of that, which are designed to act like apt-get in automatically resolving dependancies for you |
| 06:58.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: its says .. which: no firefox in (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin) |
| 06:59.14 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, I guess there is your problem why it disappeared. There is no firefox in your path. |
| 06:59.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | but what happened , i didnt do anything to make it dissapear |
| 06:59.57 | canllaith | Well, I would say you have typed that command in as root |
| 07:00.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | yes |
| 07:00.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | i did it in root |
| 07:00.18 | canllaith | Why would you do such a thing? Are you in KDE as root? |
| 07:00.40 | [Aura]kingwanja | no |
| 07:00.52 | canllaith | Then type it as a regular user in the konsole. |
| 07:00.59 | canllaith | The same user you are in kde as |
| 07:01.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | i do have a different menu outlay though than i did yesterday .. office stuff is in a different place in the menu list |
| 07:02.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | i selected different menu style or something |
| 07:02.29 | canllaith | brb restarting kde |
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| 07:03.45 | Renze | wow, 0.8.4? that's ancient! |
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| 07:09.01 | Dhraakellian | re |
| 07:09.10 | Renze | nze |
| 07:10.47 | albano | Hi. I got bastard pixel. |
| 07:10.57 | albano | Is faded-black and in the middle of my screen. |
| 07:11.07 | Renze | albano: and what do you expect us to do about it? |
| 07:11.23 | albano | Tell me everything. |
| 07:11.25 | gregday | i think asking once is enough |
| 07:11.28 | sarah03 | albano: How many times are you going to ask us about it? This isn't #we_know_everything, you know. |
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| 07:13.02 | Jonas_NZ | i think i know what you can do albano |
| 07:13.18 | Renze | insert monitor into rectum, and go buy a new one |
| 07:14.01 | Jonas_NZ | just what i was gonna say except for like this, Take your monitor cram it up your arse, then fuck off and leave us alone |
| 07:14.55 | canllaith | Now this is a nice feature |
| 07:15.21 | canllaith | with an svg icon theme loaded, I can pick the icon sizes for app toolbars and the desktop and the like down to the pixel |
| 07:15.21 | gregday | what's that |
| 07:15.39 | gregday | ooh |
| 07:15.43 | Renze | excellent |
| 07:16.07 | canllaith | mmm ok only in the toolbars the desktop does not appear to be obeying it |
| 07:16.28 | canllaith | oh no! it is :D |
| 07:16.40 | canllaith | ok that's cool now I can finally have 'inbetween' sized icons |
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| 07:16.51 | Renze | funky :) |
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| 07:17.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | now i know there is such a thing as irc rage , lol |
| 07:18.36 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: more than you think :) |
| 07:19.46 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess its worse if you are at work and people are nagging their also , like the network is down , help us oh holy ones , heh |
| 07:19.46 | [Aura]kingwanja | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | there* opps sorry for the bad grammar |
| 07:20.21 | gregday | http://seraphim.ecsis.net/~gregday/screenshots/transfun3.jpg |
| 07:21.11 | Jonas_NZ | well here goes, im downloading all of the kde 3.3.2 rpms ,,,,,on dialup |
| 07:21.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | that looks good , is that you in the picture ? |
| 07:21.27 | gregday | i'm male %) |
| 07:21.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | sorry :\ |
| 07:22.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | nice desktop though |
| 07:22.25 | UziMonkey | ?? Can anyone see this, or is it just question marks? |
| 07:22.31 | gregday | the background is what really brings it all together |
| 07:22.47 | canllaith | that is a gorgeous gkrellm theme gregday |
| 07:22.55 | canllaith | UziMonkey, yes we can see you.... |
| 07:23.09 | canllaith | gregday, which one is it? |
| 07:23.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | yes i see it UziMonkey |
| 07:23.22 | UziMonkey | canllaith: no, those first two characters should have been omega and infinity. did they look like question marks? |
| 07:23.32 | canllaith | UziMonkey, yes they look like question marks |
| 07:23.38 | UziMonkey | IRC + unicode == ?? |
| 07:23.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | ahh yes |
| 07:24.09 | Renze | UziMonkey: IRC is old... try utf8 |
| 07:24.14 | gregday | canllaith: appears to be "Oregano" |
| 07:24.26 | canllaith | gregday, ok then I'll go looking for it. It's absolutely gorgeous |
| 07:24.54 | gregday | canllaith: it was in the big theme pack on muhri.net |
| 07:24.59 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 07:25.38 | sequitur | why wont my wine configurations saved!? |
| 07:25.38 | canllaith | oh, wasp comes in svg as well..... nice |
| 07:26.46 | [Aura]kingwanja | i am up early its 7.27am here |
| 07:27.01 | sequitur | 1:26am, here! |
| 07:27.23 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess thats east coast |
| 07:27.33 | sequitur | midwest |
| 07:27.45 | [Aura]kingwanja | in the desert :O |
| 07:27.57 | sequitur | lol no, iowa |
| 07:27.59 | Renze | 8:27pm Tuesday |
| 07:28.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | thats europe :P |
| 07:28.27 | sequitur | lol now im living fast! |
| 07:28.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | germany is my guess |
| 07:28.53 | Renze | me? germany? far from |
| 07:28.57 | sarah03 | ... It's not even midnight here. |
| 07:29.00 | Renze | try the other side of the planet |
| 07:29.03 | sequitur | i hear germany is fun! a couple different people i knowve spent time there. |
| 07:29.18 | [Aura]kingwanja | omg austrailia |
| 07:29.22 | Renze | no |
| 07:29.26 | Renze | but you're closer |
| 07:29.27 | sequitur | lol a game! |
| 07:29.37 | Renze | try southeast |
| 07:29.37 | sequitur | an oil rig? |
| 07:29.39 | [Aura]kingwanja | the cook islands ? lol |
| 07:29.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 07:29.43 | Renze | no |
| 07:29.53 | Renze | try south of the cook islands |
| 07:29.59 | sequitur | ?? |
| 07:30.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | nz |
| 07:30.04 | Renze | bingo! |
| 07:30.16 | [Aura]kingwanja | wow , you are in nz :o |
| 07:30.17 | sequitur | the home of the documentary.. |
| 07:30.30 | canllaith | lots of kiwis in this channel |
| 07:30.41 | Renze | sweet as |
| 07:30.46 | sequitur | what is the biggest population density in nz? |
| 07:30.51 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess im the only one from uk |
| 07:30.54 | Renze | Auckland... 1 million |
| 07:31.03 | sequitur | nice! |
| 07:31.12 | Renze | but I'm not in Auckland |
| 07:31.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | if im the only one here from uk , doesnt that make me special :D |
| 07:31.35 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: not really |
| 07:31.44 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol , charming |
| 07:31.49 | sequitur | hehe |
| 07:32.16 | sarah03 | [Aura]kingwanja: That's because it's only 7:30am there. Geeks don't typically get up anywhere in the world until at least noon. :D |
| 07:32.33 | sequitur | haay.. i keep no schedule! |
| 07:32.41 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 07:32.51 | Dhraakellian | I've been getting up after noon |
| 07:32.58 | Dhraakellian | not meaning to |
| 07:33.04 | albano | is a dead pixel supposed to look like a piece of dirt on the screen? |
| 07:33.05 | sequitur | unemployment makes me feel like the dirty kid that skips school.. |
| 07:33.05 | Dhraakellian | it just happens that way |
| 07:33.17 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 07:33.24 | Dhraakellian | I don't have classes for a couple weeks |
| 07:33.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | well as i see kde as the next windows for linux (my expression) i feel honoured to know of the best gui development at its pre boom stage :D |
| 07:33.30 | sequitur | albano it can.. manybe not square, tho |
| 07:33.46 | albano | not square? |
| 07:33.55 | albano | just an annoying smudge it loks like |
| 07:33.59 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: I suggest you stop calling KDE the next Windows... you might make some people experience IRC rage :) |
| 07:34.04 | albano | from where i am. a little bug mark. |
| 07:34.16 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 07:34.26 | sequitur | have you tried rubbing it off? id tell you the command to type, but i forgot! |
| 07:34.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | or even worse billyG might buy the development :o |
| 07:34.57 | sequitur | ..was supposed to be a joke.. i guess.. |
| 07:34.57 | albano | of course i have. |
| 07:35.01 | sequitur | lol |
| 07:35.02 | albano | i will not budge. |
| 07:35.08 | Renze | [Aura]kingwanja: he can't buy something that isn't centralised :) |
| 07:35.08 | albano | it is in there. |
| 07:35.17 | sequitur | at least i amuse myself! |
| 07:35.34 | Renze | albano: they're called "Dead" pixels for a reason... mourn, and move on |
| 07:35.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | yeah that centralised thing is hard part |
| 07:35.41 | canllaith | lol sequitur |
| 07:35.52 | sequitur | ^^ |
| 07:35.53 | canllaith | i was amused too ;) |
| 07:37.02 | sequitur | does anyone know how i could change my login cursor? |
| 07:37.20 | [Aura]kingwanja | oh well im going to try a fix this firefox issue , its puzzling |
| 07:37.33 | [Aura]kingwanja | cursor ? |
| 07:38.04 | sequitur | i use xdm, and the login cursor is ugly. black, with a white outline |
| 07:38.29 | Renze | oh, you mean the mouse curson |
| 07:38.34 | Renze | cursor* |
| 07:38.41 | sequitur | the starcraft cursor is shiny! i want it, instead |
| 07:38.45 | sequitur | yup |
| 07:39.19 | canllaith | sequitur, yeah... you could globally set it as the default X cursor |
| 07:39.39 | sequitur | yay! .. how? |
| 07:39.56 | canllaith | here, it is /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default |
| 07:40.11 | sequitur | isnt there a .xdefault file, or something, i should edit? |
| 07:40.12 | canllaith | If you edit the index.theme file it says 'Inherits=core' |
| 07:40.39 | canllaith | No because that will only change it for one user, and to make it be the cursor you want at the login screen _before_ a user has logged in it must be global |
| 07:41.18 | canllaith | So. Copy the theme you like to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons and change 'Inherits=core' to read 'Inherits=yourthemename' |
| 07:41.39 | sequitur | so the path above is a global. yummy! |
| 07:41.43 | canllaith | You'd probably have some sucess editing the default icon theme just for the root user who displays the icons but this method will do it for all users, on the system. |
| 07:43.01 | canllaith | oh bother I forgot to check if my new kernel booted |
| 07:43.08 | sequitur | i got it to show the 'thinking' icon, but only when going to/from xdm.. odd |
| 07:43.16 | sequitur | lol |
| 07:45.57 | canllaith | excellent it appears to be working |
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| 07:47.07 | sequitur | canilaith the /ussr/X11~ path you gave, doesnt have an 'icon' entry. i have mandrake.. maybe a difference? |
| 07:47.25 | albano | can i get a 13.3" protective screen without privacy filtration?' |
| 07:47.28 | canllaith | Could be, you would have to check around there |
| 07:47.29 | albano | for a notebook |
| 07:47.39 | [Aura]kingwanja | just found some info on firefox some of you might like to read |
| 07:47.53 | [Aura]kingwanja | http://secunia.com/advisories/13599 |
| 07:47.57 | Renze | albano: what makes you think we'd know the answer here? try #laptop |
| 07:47.58 | sequitur | arresting advise, tho. thanks! |
| 07:48.05 | albano | no #laptop |
| 07:48.15 | albano | i ask all computer question #kde |
| 07:48.19 | Renze | /ignore albano |
| 07:48.19 | [Aura]kingwanja | canllaith: what do you use ? |
| 07:48.24 | Renze | //ignore albano |
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| 07:48.38 | Renze | damn kopete |
| 07:48.48 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanja, I use Konqueror and occasionally for a site that our stupid suppliers have that wont let me use konqueror, I use netscape |
| 07:48.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | oh i crashed a min ago |
| 07:48.56 | sarah03 | albano: Obviously you're online, which means you most likely have a web browser, and therefore can pull up that web browser and use it to search the great intarweb. |
| 07:48.56 | albano | over 100 brilliant computer users here |
| 07:49.01 | albano | this is the place for me |
| 07:49.20 | Renze | albano: and you're pissing off pretty much all of them by not staying on topic... congratulations |
| 07:49.23 | sarah03 | And while we might be brilliant geeks, note carefully that the topic of conversation is KDE. |
| 07:49.26 | gregday | sarah03: do you have stairs in your house? |
| 07:49.33 | sarah03 | gregday: Actually, no. |
| 07:49.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | konq isnt too bad , i like it |
| 07:49.43 | canllaith | Just ignore the idiot, it's stupid to let him hijack the conversation |
| 07:49.45 | sequitur | albano lol. this is a home for all people |
| 07:50.04 | canllaith | ok lets see if latest nvidia driver likes my kernel! |
| 07:50.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | albano , you are not chinese by any chance ? |
| 07:50.32 | canllaith | oooh interesting I didn't realise you couldn't have rivafb and the nvidia driver at once |
| 07:50.34 | sequitur | fingers crossed |
| 07:50.38 | albano | guys, i have a dead pixel that is making me anxious |
| 07:51.01 | sequitur | albano dead pixels mimic life. it happens |
| 07:51.02 | albano | hi aura |
| 07:51.05 | albano | nice to meet you |
| 07:51.32 | albano | sequitur, i did not pay for dead pixel in middle of my screen |
| 07:51.58 | sequitur | uh-oh.. rivafb is not a good combination? i wonder if it works, when multimonitor of a different vidcard, too? |
| 07:52.22 | sequitur | albano lol. i cant resolve your angst |
| 07:52.23 | astro76 | albano: call/ask who you did pay for it, no one here can do anything |
| 07:52.35 | canllaith | sequitur, I have had multi monitor with the nvidia driver + some crappy trident pci thing |
| 07:52.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | albano: i know what you mean , you cant take it back either because you have to have more than 4 bad pixels for a replacement , its pretty bad , i know |
| 07:52.38 | sequitur | astro has a good point |
| 07:52.59 | sequitur | canilaith trident makes garbage!? |
| 07:53.01 | canllaith | now have a dual head nvidia card - much better. |
| 07:53.10 | canllaith | sequitur, I mean because of it's age, not because of it's brand |
| 07:53.12 | sequitur | mm.. sounds nice! |
| 07:53.20 | sequitur | i c |
| 07:53.32 | sequitur | does your nv card tvout? |
| 07:53.41 | canllaith | mmm I think so I am not sure to be honest |
| 07:53.49 | albano | yes, but i have no questions ask refund available to me |
| 07:53.49 | canllaith | I have no use for such a feature. The laptop definitely does |
| 07:54.08 | sequitur | gimmie a laptop & a projector.. |
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| 07:54.49 | glick | hey does anyone here use the qt framework? |
| 07:55.07 | sequitur | not me glick |
| 07:55.49 | canllaith | It's always nervewracking upgrading a kernel via ssh : |
| 07:55.50 | canllaith | :) |
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| 07:56.21 | sarah03 | canllaith: *shrug* Doesn't bug me so much, unless I don't have physical access to the now-dead machine if it fails. |
| 07:56.29 | sequitur | i have this integrated video, and the multimon works fine.. in windows. is there a simple way to setup xf86conf to do the same? |
| 07:56.38 | canllaith | sarah03, yeah sometimes that has happened, which is always scary. |
| 07:56.43 | canllaith | sequitur, yes but google is a better place to ask this |
| 07:58.14 | canllaith | ok module is building. Lets watch the modprobe fail..... |
| 07:58.52 | canllaith | oh wow it actually bloody worked. |
| 07:59.44 | canllaith | I always cringe when I update to the latest kernel then grab the latest nvidia driver - so often there is some kind of glitch and I have to revert to a previous kernel, or go hunting for the gentoo patches for the nvidia driver (It always seems to be the gentoo guys, god bless em) |
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| 08:07.11 | MrGrim | http://gr1m.org/screenshot.png |
| 08:07.18 | MrGrim | tell me what you think |
| 08:08.54 | _alejandro | shit, 1.5 MiB. :-) |
| 08:09.06 | MrGrim | doh |
| 08:09.29 | MrGrim | I don't reall yhave an app to shrink it |
| 08:10.23 | Renze | convert screenshot.png screenshot.jpg |
| 08:10.31 | Renze | if you have ImageMagick installed |
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| 08:10.49 | can|desktop | Gosh ... those new tooltips on kicker look bloody awful with xcompmgr running |
| 08:11.07 | kolla_ | new tooltips? |
| 08:11.07 | _alejandro | MrGrim: lol, it seems to windows. :) |
| 08:11.28 | can|desktop | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2004/12/pow-to-moon.html |
| 08:12.18 | kolla_ | I like the old amiga MUI comic chat bobles :) |
| 08:12.36 | can|desktop | ew |
| 08:13.01 | kolla_ | in stead of these post-it stile yellow posters |
| 08:13.09 | kolla_ | s/stile/style |
| 08:13.20 | MrGrim | http://gr1m.org/screenshot1.jpg |
| 08:13.22 | can|desktop | I don't like the yellow things either no.... |
| 08:13.23 | MrGrim | there that's smaller |
| 08:14.17 | MrGrim | alejandro|wrk: ya a little, if you speak of the background |
| 08:14.19 | kolla_ | before the teletubbies landed |
| 08:14.25 | MrGrim | but it's 10x better looking than the windows one of the same theme |
| 08:16.08 | sarah03 | MrGrim: *shrug* Doesn't look bad... a bit on the bright side for my taste, but that's about it. |
| 08:16.32 | MrGrim | I'm a bright kinda guy... even if I am MrGrim :P |
| 08:17.02 | sarah03 | *shrug* I don't like glare off of my computer screen. |
| 08:17.07 | MrGrim | that was a grueling couple of days, cleaning and oganizing my disk, tackling a crapload of little bugs, and finally organizing my desktop |
| 08:17.35 | MrGrim | I still don't have cd burning quite right |
| 08:17.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | right ive found firefox and the only way i can start it is by typing mozilla-firefox in the terminal , how do i i edit it in kmenufinder to work on the menu list ? |
| 08:18.06 | MrGrim | tomorrow I start the journey of moving to udev |
| 08:18.49 | kolla_ | I like the old backdrop I had here.. http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/eto-jan2002.jpg |
| 08:19.05 | kolla_ | a nuke detonating in duckburg |
| 08:19.52 | kolla_ | I do wonder whether Disney ever aproved that :) |
| 08:22.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive dont it \o/ yippe |
| 08:22.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | done* |
| 08:23.06 | MrGrim | I don't remember gkrellm being this much of a cpu hog |
| 08:23.59 | [Aura]kingwanja | please god let me become a kde master technical king !! |
| 08:24.55 | can|desktop | [Aura]kingwanja, read the documentation and you will ;) :P |
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| 08:25.40 | geekitus | hi |
| 08:26.18 | geekitus | i ve a big problem with kacpid, when i plug my pcmcia card , kacpid take 100% of my cpu .. |
| 08:26.22 | geekitus | any idea ?? |
| 08:27.32 | geekitus | what is kacpid ?? and why it was launch when kde is not running ?? |
| 08:28.27 | kolla_ | because it isnt KDE? |
| 08:28.39 | kolla_ | kernel ACPI daemon? |
| 08:28.52 | kolla_ | no idea :) |
| 08:28.57 | geekitus | this is acpid the kernel deamon ... |
| 08:29.35 | kolla_ | yes? |
| 08:30.10 | geekitus | so if don't know what is Kacpid |
| 08:30.20 | kolla_ | just because it starts with k doesnt mean that it is KDE :) |
| 08:31.14 | kolla_ | you also have ksoftirqd, khelper, kblockd, kswapd kseriod, kjournald, khubd and others |
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| 08:31.35 | kolla_ | they belong to the linux kernel, and has nothing to do with KDE :) |
| 08:31.57 | geekitus | ok .. |
| 08:32.04 | geekitus | tahnks |
| 08:32.35 | kolla_ | ACPI is the "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface" |
| 08:33.00 | kolla_ | is it a laptop you have there? |
| 08:33.04 | geekitus | yes |
| 08:33.25 | kolla_ | exactly, it's what keeps track over your batteries, lets you suspend and such |
| 08:33.49 | geekitus | i will try acpi=off to see if this solve my pcmcia problem |
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| 08:40.59 | [Aura]kingwanja | i see so kde are different resources that are pooled together so it becomes a package of different peoples work |
| 08:45.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | there are so many K apps , im shocked :o |
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| 09:18.02 | [Aura]kingwanja | quiet in here |
| 09:18.35 | Renze | shhh :) |
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| 09:19.51 | ironfroggy | im getting errors saying the cookie daemon couldnt be started. what should i do about that? |
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| 09:28.24 | Renze | *pounce* *huggle* |
| 09:28.27 | canllaith | :o |
| 09:28.28 | canllaith | :D |
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| 09:30.04 | Mathis | moin |
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| 09:36.15 | canllaith | mmm is there anyone here who has literally _all_ of KDE installed ? |
| 09:36.40 | canllaith | every package including kdeadmin/kdeutils/kdeaddons etc ? |
| 09:36.48 | Renze | I think I have everything but kdebindings |
| 09:37.09 | canllaith | Can you expand everything from Security & Privacy down in your kcontrol, screenshot it and email it to me? |
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| 09:38.49 | canllaith | I don't have everything installed (I am TRYING to cvs up kdeaddons and it's jut refusing to do anything...) |
| 09:38.54 | Renze | so open Security & Privacy, Sound & Multimedia, and System Administration and snapshot? or three seperate shots? |
| 09:38.58 | canllaith | So I want to make sure I don't miss any kcm |
| 09:39.14 | canllaith | You should be able to get them all in one shot with your screen resolution |
| 09:39.23 | canllaith | I just want to see the names of all the sub options if that makes sense |
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| 09:39.29 | sunnemer | hi all |
| 09:39.31 | Renze | yeah, just wanted to be sure what you wanted :) |
| 09:39.37 | Renze | mailing |
| 09:39.39 | canllaith | :) |
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| 09:40.29 | Renze | sent |
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| 09:42.40 | Mathis | hey |
| 09:42.53 | Mathis | why does the screensaver appear even if I disabled it? |
| 09:43.00 | Mathis | xscreensaver is not running |
| 09:43.03 | Mathis | xset s off |
| 09:43.22 | Mathis | KDE 3.3.0 here |
| 09:43.27 | Mathis | SuSE Linux 9.2 |
| 09:43.35 | _jb | xset and xscreensaver aren't related to eachother |
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| 09:44.01 | _jb | xset will turn of the X server based saver, but won't affect |
| 09:44.05 | Renze | and KDE has it's own screensaving infrastructure |
| 09:44.10 | _jb | xscreensaver etc |
| 09:44.21 | Determinist | umm , hey guys , i have lisa running and want to look at thet shares i have in my network , how do i do this with konqueror? |
| 09:44.35 | Mathis | I know |
| 09:44.36 | Determinist | s/thet/the |
| 09:44.37 | _jb | Determinist: lan:/ |
| 09:44.40 | Mathis | I disabled them all |
| 09:44.46 | Mathis | but the saver is still apearing |
| 09:45.02 | Mathis | I set the saver time to 10000 minutes |
| 09:45.13 | Mathis | but my screen goes blank after about 10-15min |
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| 09:45.28 | Mathis | DPMS option disabled on X configuration |
| 09:47.04 | Mathis | I was asking on the SuSE channel |
| 09:47.10 | Mathis | but they advised me to ask here |
| 09:47.42 | Renze | all we can advise you to do is disable the KDE screensaver... xset and xscreensaver are nothing to do with KDE |
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| 09:48.02 | Mathis | I also disabled the KDE screensaver |
| 09:48.17 | Determinist | umm , it just shows me alot of 172.XXX addresses and localhost.localdomain , nothing else |
| 09:48.19 | _jb | you should check out any power control and "energy saver" settings as well |
| 09:48.20 | Mathis | but seems the system is ignoring that |
| 09:48.30 | Mathis | _jb: also done so |
| 09:48.39 | Renze | Mathis: is it a KDE screensaver that is starting? |
| 09:48.44 | Mathis | yes |
| 09:48.51 | _jb | Determinist: sounds like you're behind NAT. you might want to click on those. |
| 09:49.00 | Renze | Mathis: how did you disable it? |
| 09:49.13 | Mathis | its that screensaver starting which is choosen by the KDE screensaver utility |
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| 09:49.39 | Mathis | when choosing random, it always starts another KDE screensaver |
| 09:49.46 | Renze | Mathis: and is your distro actually using the KDE screensavers, or is it providing a front-end to something like xscreensaver? |
| 09:50.05 | Mathis | it is using the KDE screensavers |
| 09:50.07 | Determinist | _jb: i am behind a nat , but there's at least one more computer that's on this NAT ... i should mention the other computers on this network are winXP tho |
| 09:50.47 | Determinist | _jb: ohh , sorry , my bad ... i meant 127.0.X.X |
| 09:51.06 | _jb | Determinist: heh, loopback. did you configure lisad for your network? |
| 09:51.21 | Renze | Mathis: you should be able to disable them by just unticking "Start Automatically" |
| 09:51.27 | Determinist | _jb: umm, you mean through the kcontrol thing? |
| 09:51.27 | Mathis | Renze: I did |
| 09:51.31 | Mathis | but it still starts |
| 09:51.34 | Determinist | Renze: hi , btw :D |
| 09:51.38 | Renze | Mathis: what KDE version |
| 09:51.39 | Mathis | when it is set to 1min, it starts after 1min |
| 09:51.42 | Mathis | KDE 3.3.0 |
| 09:51.45 | Renze | hi Determinist |
| 09:52.03 | Mathis | it is a fresh installation with all SuSE updates |
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| 09:52.11 | _jb | Determinist: either through that, or via vim/vi/edlin/ed/Kate/etc of the config files |
| 09:52.14 | Renze | Mathis: have you checked to see if it's a bug that has been fixed in a more recent version? |
| 09:52.30 | Renze | ah, SuSE... they patch KDE quite a bit, IIRC |
| 09:52.34 | NeUtr0N | having some much problem compiling arts from cvs |
| 09:52.42 | Mathis | no, but I checked if that problem is known to SuSE |
| 09:52.44 | Determinist | _jb: umm , i'll dig through that again , see if i misconfigured anything. |
| 09:52.45 | Mathis | and it is not |
| 09:53.03 | Mathis | so when it is not known to them, I guess they didnt fix it |
| 09:53.48 | NeUtr0N | good morning everyone |
| 09:53.54 | Mathis | moin |
| 09:54.01 | NeUtr0N | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.50 | Mathis | I will try using KDE 3.3.2 |
| 09:55.03 | Mathis | thanx for help |
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| 09:56.03 | tim_h | any idee why there is not a single screensaver listed in kcontrol - I use kde3.3.2? |
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| 09:56.33 | Renze | tim_h: what distro? |
| 09:56.35 | _jb | tim_h: just "random" and "blank screen"? |
| 09:57.25 | tim_h | Renze: debian sarge but kde from konstruct |
| 09:57.39 | tim_h | _jb: no, _nothing_ |
| 09:57.39 | root_ | ? |
| 09:57.46 | solsTiCe | hi. I wonder how do i make kde launch automatically a software at startup ? |
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| 09:58.37 | tim_h | solsTiCe: put it in Autostart |
| 09:59.23 | solsTiCe | tim_h: where is that ? it is a folder ? |
| 09:59.59 | _jb | tim_h: sorry, i don't know why that'd be happening |
| 10:00.05 | Renze | solsTiCe: open a file manager window, go to the Go menu, and select Autostart |
| 10:00.15 | solsTiCe | ok |
| 10:01.11 | solsTiCe | so yes indeed it is a folder. a directory |
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| 10:02.06 | root_ | hi |
| 10:02.11 | NeUtr0N | hello everyone did anyone had that error while compiling arts |
| 10:02.20 | NeUtr0N | /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/gmessages.h:109: error: parse error before "G_GNUC_INTERNAL" |
| 10:02.25 | Determinist | this is all very puzzling :/ |
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| 10:03.48 | NeUtr0N | does anyone know if arts depend on glib1.x or glib2.x ? |
| 10:04.41 | fred87 | i woudln't have thought so |
| 10:04.50 | fred87 | generally only gnome + gtk stuff depends on glib |
| 10:04.53 | fred87 | glibc is another matter |
| 10:06.14 | NeUtr0N | fred87, arts depend on glib |
| 10:06.21 | NeUtr0N | and it wouldn't compile without it |
| 10:06.34 | NeUtr0N | i tried to use glib2.6.0 which is the lastest |
| 10:06.39 | NeUtr0N | but it's not compiling |
| 10:06.45 | canllaith | interesting |
| 10:06.59 | NeUtr0N | and i'm wondering if arts is depend glib1.x or glib2.x |
| 10:06.59 | canllaith | I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include |
| 10:07.04 | Determinist | _jb: whenever i enter lan:/ in konqueror it keeps going to lan://localhost |
| 10:07.13 | canllaith | Well, it's 2.0 here NeUtr0N |
| 10:07.19 | NeUtr0N | same here |
| 10:07.25 | NeUtr0N | 2.4 || 2.6 ? |
| 10:07.42 | NeUtr0N | it might be 2.4 though |
| 10:07.59 | canllaith | I am using ..... |
| 10:08.06 | canllaith | ah of course I built the beta gimp |
| 10:08.11 | canllaith | 2.5.6 |
| 10:08.25 | canllaith | So your 2.6 should be fine, I guess it's just not picking up on it properly |
| 10:08.26 | NeUtr0N | and did u build arts from cvs |
| 10:08.33 | canllaith | Yes I'm running cvs head |
| 10:08.54 | fred87 | ebeh - kdevelop x86_64 starts in 0.35 seconds |
| 10:08.58 | NeUtr0N | i tried arts 1.3.2 and the both and both gave the same error |
| 10:09.09 | _jb | Determinist: i'm not sure what to tell you, then. take a look at K -> System -> info center -> protocols -> lan |
| 10:09.16 | canllaith | fred87, gah get on with you - I don't want to be hearing about that! |
| 10:09.50 | fred87 | trouble is neede some quite serious patching :( |
| 10:10.01 | NeUtr0N | canllaith, do u happen to know what's the error |
| 10:10.04 | fred87 | kdevelop doesn't like compiling for x86_64 (byteorder.h problems), or with -fPIC |
| 10:10.06 | Determinist | _jb: will do , thanks |
| 10:10.08 | NeUtr0N | or how to fix it |
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| 10:10.10 | fred87 | both of which are needed |
| 10:10.22 | _jb | Determinist: read the LISa man pages as well |
| 10:10.28 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, nope..... |
| 10:10.33 | canllaith | what does your config.log say ? |
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| 10:11.40 | NeUtr0N | checking |
| 10:12.49 | NeUtr0N | nothing mentioned about the error |
| 10:12.57 | NeUtr0N | it's happening durning make |
| 10:13.02 | canllaith | oh gosh |
| 10:13.17 | canllaith | so it is picking up your glib then I guess |
| 10:13.19 | NeUtr0N | it said it checked for glib2 and the results = yes |
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| 10:23.25 | canllaith | gosh darn it where the hell is my system getting this /opt/kde rubbish from |
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| 10:24.00 | kolla_ | I hate /opt :| |
| 10:24.02 | canllaith | Well ld.so.conf, screw you too |
| 10:24.13 | kolla_ | :) |
| 10:24.23 | canllaith | oh gosh, I love opt. |
| 10:24.33 | canllaith | wow, I haven't removed entries from herer since kde 3.1.4 |
| 10:24.38 | canllaith | no wonder it's picking up the wrong one sometimes |
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| 10:25.16 | NeUtr0N | hey canllaith it worked with 2.4 |
| 10:25.34 | NeUtr0N | after removing and reinstalling the 2.4 version |
| 10:25.37 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, well that's good to know then :) Incase anyone else has problems. |
| 10:25.52 | NeUtr0N | :) |
| 10:29.43 | NeUtr0N | canllaith, can u reconfigure where libraries are located with libtool ? |
| 10:29.52 | canllaith | ld.so.conf |
| 10:30.05 | canllaith | oh ... you mean physically move them? |
| 10:30.19 | NeUtr0N | i'll show you something |
| 10:30.21 | canllaith | k |
| 10:30.47 | NeUtr0N | libtool: link: warning: library `/usr/lib/libesd.la' was moved. |
| 10:30.48 | NeUtr0N | g++: /home/manowarr/garnome/lib/libaudiofile.so: No such file or directory |
| 10:30.59 | NeUtr0N | it's searching for libraries in the wrong place |
| 10:31.18 | canllaith | What I would do is go through ld.so.conf, LD_LIBRARY_PATH and all that |
| 10:31.23 | canllaith | and see where the references to these wrong ones are |
| 10:31.46 | NeUtr0N | okz thanks for the information |
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| 10:32.47 | kolp | NeUtr0N: also have a look at the .la in question |
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| 10:33.05 | canllaith | yes, the libtool archive for it could be pointing to the wrong places |
| 10:33.14 | NeUtr0N | yes that |
| 10:33.20 | NeUtr0N | that's what's happening |
| 10:33.57 | NeUtr0N | though libtool should have a config pass or something to fix the path error |
| 10:34.18 | willwork4foo | heya canllaith |
| 10:34.23 | canllaith | hey hey willwork4foo |
| 10:34.24 | willwork4foo | I've just had an amusing email |
| 10:34.34 | canllaith | oh? |
| 10:35.04 | willwork4foo | regarding that PDA I'm auctioning - some berk just emailed me and said that he couldn't afford to put a bid in, and wanted to haggle a lower price with me |
| 10:35.24 | willwork4foo | "Hi, I'm interested into BRAND NEW Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L Linux PDA with WiFi N/R + 512MB SD, but the price you set for it is too high for me. I can pay no more than EUR 400,00 , more or less GBP 270,00 , shipping included. Tell me something about that. Bye bye, have a good day." |
| 10:35.59 | canllaith | well, can't blame him for tryin |
| 10:36.07 | Renze | did you send back several pages of "hahahahahaha" ? |
| 10:36.10 | willwork4foo | yes I can. that's a stupid thing to do. |
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| 10:36.37 | willwork4foo | I sent him back a brief resume on how ebay works, and the basic principle of an "auction" being that the item goes to the "highest" bidder, not the lowest. |
| 10:36.47 | willwork4foo | twat. |
| 10:37.11 | NeUtr0N | and how much is the price |
| 10:37.17 | NeUtr0N | for that PDA |
| 10:40.54 | [Aura]kingwanja | i will give you £100 for it :P |
| 10:40.58 | willwork4foo | starting price is £300. |
| 10:41.04 | Renze | fie dorrah! |
| 10:41.13 | willwork4foo | fie dorrah sucky sucky? |
| 10:41.21 | willwork4foo | me laav yoo too mach |
| 10:41.30 | willwork4foo | me laav yoo long time |
| 10:41.48 | willwork4foo | </north vietnamese prostitute talk> |
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| 10:43.11 | willwork4foo | incidentally (and this is not a shameless plug - honestly...) the item I am discussing is http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5742724331 |
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| 10:43.13 | [Aura]kingwanja | speaking of ebay , i must auction off these rare first blood posters that i have . |
| 10:43.26 | willwork4foo | oooo Rambo first blood posters? |
| 10:44.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | my parents had a video shop in the 80s , and they have quite a few of them |
| 10:44.24 | willwork4foo | schweeeeeeet |
| 10:44.27 | willwork4foo | original poster> |
| 10:44.32 | willwork4foo | <--- is impressed |
| 10:44.54 | willwork4foo | I'd be even more impressed if you had film posters to something like Bram Stoker's Dracula |
| 10:45.02 | willwork4foo | Some of those posters were excellent |
| 10:45.12 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive not done selling before , i guess its straight forward |
| 10:45.13 | willwork4foo | </geek behaviour> |
| 10:45.18 | willwork4foo | it's fairly easy |
| 10:45.36 | willwork4foo | you do open yourself up to every single idiot on ebay though - and some fairly silly questions get asked |
| 10:45.38 | kolla_ | got an SL-5500 myself |
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| 10:45.45 | willwork4foo | hence the prat who tried to barter me down in price |
| 10:46.02 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 10:46.05 | NeUtr0N | svgiconpainter.h:24:36: libart_lgpl/art_render.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:46.06 | NeUtr0N | ksvgiconpainter.h:25:45: libart_lgpl/art_render_gradient.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:46.07 | willwork4foo | and also the person who asked me about the PDA I'm selling including a "coffee holder". |
| 10:46.13 | willwork4foo | which I thought was funny] |
| 10:46.38 | NeUtr0N | i have those files but i dunno where libtool is pointing at the wrong places |
| 10:46.41 | [Aura]kingwanja | that is as bad as me asking for help on kde , lol |
| 10:46.53 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, ok you have some messed up library paths happening here dude =p |
| 10:46.53 | NeUtr0N | i think that's only happening with gnome related libraries |
| 10:47.22 | NeUtr0N | yeah i noticed and tried to fix that |
| 10:47.42 | NeUtr0N | what's the variable for include path canllaith |
| 10:49.46 | NeUtr0N | i might need to know where they should be to link them correctly |
| 10:49.47 | willwork4foo | oh my word. I think I've just found the most pointless item on ebay for sale |
| 10:50.00 | willwork4foo | a bell labs 1200 modem. |
| 10:50.09 | willwork4foo | as in 1.2k modem. |
| 10:50.17 | canllaith | dunno |
| 10:50.29 | canllaith | it would be pretty handy as a book end |
| 10:50.35 | [Aura]kingwanja | collectors modem |
| 10:50.36 | canllaith | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah sod what is WRONG WITH THIS THING |
| 10:50.45 | willwork4foo | canllaith: breathe... breathe.. |
| 10:50.49 | willwork4foo | be at peace my friend |
| 10:50.55 | willwork4foo | what's broken? |
| 10:51.00 | [Aura]kingwanja | irc rage :P |
| 10:51.06 | willwork4foo | I know. dangerous. |
| 10:51.07 | canllaith | mmm that's ok |
| 10:51.10 | canllaith | a particular kate plugin in kdeaddons |
| 10:51.12 | canllaith | I just wont build that one |
| 10:51.17 | willwork4foo | right... |
| 10:51.18 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 10:51.59 | canllaith | sooooo I need template, xmlcheck/tools and ... that's about it really |
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| 10:52.32 | NeUtr0N | canllaith, do u recommand me recompiling libarts |
| 10:52.45 | NeUtr0N | i mean libart whatever its name is |
| 10:54.20 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, not sure mate. |
| 10:55.29 | fred87 | libart_gpl? |
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| 10:58.19 | NeUtr0N | i compiled gnome 2.8 source on the same box while ago |
| 10:58.27 | NeUtr0N | and it happened to mess everything up |
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| 11:01.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | the sound is not working on here , i had a message saying the sound drivers failed to initalise |
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| 11:13.42 | sredna | G'day |
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| 11:14.35 | Renze | hola anders |
| 11:18.04 | willwork4foo | I have a question - if a tree falls over in the middle of a forest and there's nobody around to hear it - does it make a sound? |
| 11:18.56 | Renze | depends on your definition of sound... do you mean waves travelling through a medium, or the vibrations converted to electrical stimuli which is then interpreted by the brain? |
| 11:21.17 | willwork4foo | Renze: just wanted to pose a philosophical question to make it look like I was vaguely intelligent. |
| 11:21.40 | Renze | was my answering question vaguely intelligent? |
| 11:21.49 | willwork4foo | vaguely. |
| 11:21.59 | Renze | how vague of you |
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| 11:37.32 | canllaith | I see you two boys have met. |
| 11:37.50 | canllaith | willwork4foo, Renze is a RL friend of mine who lives ... about 6 hours away from me in NZ |
| 11:39.20 | canllaith | Renze, willwork4foo is a #fedora refugee I picked up about a year ago I think. He's a cutie. |
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| 11:40.26 | Renze | fedora, eh? hope he knows better now :) |
| 11:40.33 | canllaith | aye he's a slacker now |
| 11:40.38 | Renze | good :) |
| 11:42.02 | canllaith | physos, of course not. Suse users are awesome people :) |
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| 11:50.20 | willwork4foo | I started off worse than fedora |
| 11:50.27 | willwork4foo | I started using deadrat. |
| 11:50.38 | Renze | worse than fedora? is that possible? |
| 11:50.40 | willwork4foo | yes |
| 11:50.46 | Renze | oh, I started with deadrat too |
| 11:50.46 | willwork4foo | Redhat 7.3 |
| 11:50.51 | willwork4foo | was my first distro |
| 11:51.00 | Renze | I started with DeadRat 4.8 |
| 11:51.05 | willwork4foo | ouchies. |
| 11:51.07 | Renze | at least I think it was 4.8 |
| 11:52.07 | willwork4foo | OK - I have a question regarding prettyfying my KDE 3.3.2 desktop... I've seen screenshots of people's KDE desktops with a translucent right-click desktop menu (yanno, the one that you get when you right click on the background itself) |
| 11:52.10 | willwork4foo | how do I do that? |
| 11:52.51 | Renze | kcontrol -> Appearance & Themes -> Style, Effects tab |
| 11:52.55 | canllaith | willwork4foo, Kcontrol ... |
| 11:53.03 | canllaith | gosh darnit Renze you're supposed to be all distracted n stuffs |
| 11:53.16 | Renze | oh, I am :) |
| 11:53.21 | canllaith | :P |
| 11:53.27 | Renze | I was kinda fumbling at the keyboard there |
| 11:53.29 | NeUtr0N | soon enough going to run kde 3.4 woow that makes me feel good |
| 11:53.42 | NeUtr0N | i always loved to use cvs head |
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| 11:54.02 | kolla_ | willwork4foo: it's in the prefs somewhere |
| 11:54.04 | NeUtr0N | canllaith, got any screenshots |
| 11:54.10 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, stacks dude hang on |
| 11:54.21 | NeUtr0N | okz |
| 11:54.45 | willwork4foo | woooooooow |
| 11:54.48 | kolla_ | willwork4foo: second tab in the "stile" prefs |
| 11:54.50 | willwork4foo | it's all see-throughy |
| 11:55.02 | willwork4foo | kolla_: thanks, Renze beat ya to it with the answer |
| 11:55.09 | willwork4foo | cheers Renze (and kolla_ ) |
| 11:55.10 | kolla_ | ah, yes.. I notice now |
| 11:55.12 | kolla_ | :) |
| 11:55.18 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/kopete-kaddressbook.png |
| 11:55.23 | canllaith | (although my kopete looks even sexier now) |
| 11:55.47 | NeUtr0N | okz |
| 11:56.03 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/subdued.png |
| 11:56.04 | NeUtr0N | you're a developerr btw ? |
| 11:56.06 | canllaith | mmm what else |
| 11:56.08 | canllaith | I am a contributer, yes |
| 11:56.25 | NeUtr0N | very nice |
| 11:56.34 | canllaith | Specifically new features.... we have systray icon hiding |
| 11:56.38 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/kde-cvs/systray-hiding.png |
| 11:56.50 | NeUtr0N | i know |
| 11:57.02 | NeUtr0N | i have icon hiding under 3.3.x |
| 11:57.07 | canllaith | and that's about it I have of the beta... oh, except the konqui https |
| 11:57.14 | NeUtr0N | i feel like hacking into kde cvs |
| 11:57.14 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, yeah kde-apps.org systray hack |
| 11:57.22 | canllaith | it's been merged into head now |
| 11:57.42 | NeUtr0N | very nice |
| 11:58.21 | canllaith | I don't even know a tenth of the new features though |
| 11:58.39 | physos | canllaith: how about the new icon zooming? |
| 11:58.52 | NeUtr0N | the systray hiding is even better |
| 11:59.17 | canllaith | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2004/12/pow-to-moon.html |
| 11:59.19 | canllaith | those ones :) |
| 11:59.21 | NeUtr0N | i'm wondering if kde_improvement patches were merged into cvs |
| 11:59.42 | Renze | some of them were I believe... the ones that didn't need qt patches |
| 11:59.42 | physos | NeUtr0N: nope |
| 12:00.20 | sredna | physos: Nope? I'd say 'sometimes' |
| 12:00.33 | canllaith | damnit bloody gmail and it's forwarding growl. |
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| 12:01.09 | kolla_ | lucky me, I dont have gmail :) |
| 12:01.18 | canllaith | it's great if you want to use the webmail |
| 12:01.27 | canllaith | eg, for all those teenage kids who are otherwise stuck with hotmail |
| 12:01.39 | kolla_ | I was looking at the possibility to use gmail for backups |
| 12:01.43 | canllaith | it doesn't handle pop very well though and mailing lists quite frankly suck, so I don't use it now |
| 12:01.50 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I use gmail, but did you know it can also be used as pop3 email with your fave mail client? |
| 12:02.03 | canllaith | willwork4foo, yes and the way it deals with mailing lists is quite franky absurd |
| 12:02.12 | willwork4foo | canllaith: how so? |
| 12:02.15 | canllaith | If you post to a mailing list |
| 12:02.20 | canllaith | it does _not_ download your own posts |
| 12:02.26 | canllaith | this is apparently a 'feature' |
| 12:02.34 | physos | canllaith: I use it as backup, but the spam filter is total crap, since you can not deactivate it. |
| 12:02.36 | willwork4foo | oh ok |
| 12:02.39 | willwork4foo | weirdness. |
| 12:02.53 | canllaith | personally, I'd rather be able to type my email addy into the kmail search box and see every patch I have submitted to a particular list or whatever |
| 12:03.04 | canllaith | ack I used 'personally I'd...' someone shoot me now |
| 12:04.01 | willwork4foo | why? |
| 12:04.17 | canllaith | It's redundant to use both 'I' and 'personally' |
| 12:04.25 | canllaith | ty. |
| 12:04.29 | willwork4foo | welcome |
| 12:04.49 | NeUtr0N | canllaith, slackware user ? |
| 12:04.49 | NeUtr0N | i'm checking all your screenshots |
| 12:05.18 | canllaith | NeUtr0N, heh yes. Slack 10 on most of the boxes here |
| 12:05.26 | willwork4foo | hey - I wanna publish a screenshot but I don't have anywhere to host it at this moment - my website is being managed by someone else and I can't get to it |
| 12:05.36 | willwork4foo | anyone wanna host a screenshot for me? |
| 12:05.38 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 12:05.39 | canllaith | willwork4foo, I can upload it for you if you like |
| 12:05.45 | canllaith | email it to me bub and I'll scp it up there |
| 12:05.47 | willwork4foo | cool |
| 12:05.53 | canllaith | or dcc send it |
| 12:05.57 | willwork4foo | ok |
| 12:06.08 | willwork4foo | (just working out how to do a screenshot in KDE) |
| 12:06.17 | canllaith | import -w root screen.png |
| 12:06.20 | canllaith | or run 'ksnapshot' |
| 12:07.21 | canllaith | lol there is something about your connection there that just hates me |
| 12:07.36 | willwork4foo | it's because I'm connecting from within Sun Microsystems secure network. |
| 12:07.41 | willwork4foo | some fairly high levels of security. |
| 12:07.46 | canllaith | yeah, and I'm behind NAT as well as 2 proxies |
| 12:07.50 | willwork4foo | probably something somewhere is preventing DCC. |
| 12:08.09 | canllaith | email :) |
| 12:08.09 | willwork4foo | email then? |
| 12:08.12 | canllaith | aye |
| 12:08.13 | willwork4foo | faq@kde.org? |
| 12:08.14 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 12:08.23 | canllaith | hahaha just the normal one smartass =p |
| 12:08.39 | canllaith | (dunno if a screenshot is really relevant to the faq =p) |
| 12:09.10 | willwork4foo | well... it's a KDE screenshot... |
| 12:09.10 | physos | willwork4foo: ksnapshot is nice, if you need the mouse pointer in it, kmag is your friend. |
| 12:09.18 | willwork4foo | physos: cool |
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| 12:09.56 | willwork4foo | sent canllaith |
| 12:13.42 | sredna | My only complain is that kdesktop retuses to paste into a folder link/symlink |
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| 12:17.03 | canllaith | got im |
| 12:20.03 | canllaith | willwork4foo, http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/snapshot1.png |
| 12:20.18 | canllaith | mmm |
| 12:20.29 | canllaith | Or, I might want to fix the perms |
| 12:21.20 | canllaith | there we go :) |
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| 12:23.20 | canllaith | why does everyone else always look like hey have more screenspace than I do at the same resolution? |
| 12:23.30 | sredna | Less clutter? |
| 12:23.47 | sredna | Lol |
| 12:23.51 | canllaith | obviously :\ I can't even see my wallpaper .... lol |
| 12:24.02 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 12:24.13 | willwork4foo | sredna: I'm a bit obessive about my screenspace |
| 12:24.29 | canllaith | the windows are piled up in so many layers |
| 12:24.36 | canllaith | I get lost trying to find the window I was on |
| 12:24.46 | sredna | I do use virtual desktops, but not that intensive |
| 12:24.58 | sredna | I use a-\t to switch |
| 12:25.07 | canllaith | yeah most of the stuff that I am doing I need to be looking at all at once really |
| 12:25.44 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I've got 6 desktops, and I use CTRL + ALT + ^ < > to move among them |
| 12:25.55 | willwork4foo | (there isn't a character for down!) |
| 12:26.08 | canllaith | willwork4foo, yeah but when I'm comparing 4 documents to each other I need to see them all at once |
| 12:26.16 | willwork4foo | canllaith: fair enough |
| 12:26.28 | canllaith | kicker source, 2 kcfg files and a set of irc logs tellin me I missed a spot ;) |
| 12:26.43 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 12:27.29 | canllaith | mmmmm |
| 12:27.36 | canllaith | home made banana pancakes with home made blackcurrant jam |
| 12:27.45 | willwork4foo | droooooooool |
| 12:27.47 | Renze | mmmmm |
| 12:27.48 | willwork4foo | damn you |
| 12:27.52 | willwork4foo | I am STARVING |
| 12:28.03 | willwork4foo | it's 12:30pm and not a solitary morsel of food has passed my lips yet today |
| 12:28.23 | willwork4foo | for lurve? |
| 12:28.33 | willwork4foo | I've always got an appetite for some lurve |
| 12:28.34 | willwork4foo | :S |
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| 12:29.59 | canllaith | willwork4foo, was that an invitation baby? |
| 12:30.01 | canllaith | <grin> |
| 12:30.12 | willwork4foo | canllaith: anytime, sugar |
| 12:30.23 | canllaith | hahaha that's not what you tell me in IM =p |
| 12:30.27 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 12:30.39 | willwork4foo | awwwwwwwwww |
| 12:30.58 | willwork4foo | bless you Renze |
| 12:31.10 | Renze | that wasn't a sneeze :) |
| 12:31.40 | willwork4foo | I am on hunger strike until Microsoft can release the source code for windows |
| 12:31.58 | Renze | who's paying for the funeral? |
| 12:31.59 | willwork4foo | damn those Redmondites |
| 12:32.02 | canllaith | heh indeed |
| 12:32.33 | willwork4foo | woooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 12:32.35 | willwork4foo | lunchtime |
| 12:32.36 | willwork4foo | bye |
| 12:32.49 | canllaith | heh cya |
| 12:33.15 | canllaith | I don't think he got the sun networking joke |
| 12:33.40 | canllaith | ah well |
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| 12:37.51 | markey | mmmh banana pancakes |
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| 12:41.51 | Renze | markey: Subway? |
| 12:42.18 | markey | my stomach ain't big enough for that! |
| 12:42.29 | Renze | not even for a 6" sub? |
| 12:42.40 | jeroenvrp | Question: What libraries are needed to compile languages in KDE apps? |
| 12:42.44 | markey | honestly, we don't have a Subway here |
| 12:42.44 | canllaith | you can polish off my pancakes.... wow I think andrew is trying to make me fat |
| 12:43.00 | canllaith | jeroenvrp, um arts/kdelibs/kdebase I guess |
| 12:43.30 | jeroenvrp | canllaith: I have those |
| 12:44.39 | canllaith | what are the 'minitools' in kdeaddons? |
| 12:45.09 | jeroenvrp | canllaith: bookmarklets for konqueror |
| 12:45.18 | canllaith | ooh I see :) ty |
| 12:45.39 | canllaith | mmm what about the kuick one ? |
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| 12:47.15 | sredna | Quick copy/move of files |
| 12:47.26 | sredna | That is in fact very ahndy |
| 12:47.29 | sredna | Handy |
| 12:47.33 | canllaith | oooh ok I install that one too :) |
| 12:48.07 | sredna | I have a minitools file with quite a few samples if you want to see what it can do |
| 12:48.22 | canllaith | oh that's ok sredna I am just looking at kdeaddons deciding what to build |
| 12:48.30 | canllaith | one of the kate plugins is refusing to build :S |
| 12:48.31 | sredna | Ok :) |
| 12:48.35 | canllaith | so I can't just do 'make' for all of them |
| 12:48.38 | sredna | canllaith: Which? |
| 12:49.09 | sredna | I think I had a conflict in one too, actually the example |
| 12:49.34 | canllaith | ../kate/cppsymbolviewer/katecppsymbolviewerplugin.la. |
| 12:49.48 | canllaith | Which I don't use anyway |
| 12:50.48 | sredna | Hm, that did build here yesterday |
| 12:52.51 | sredna | Anyway, here is my minitools collection. To use, copy to ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror : http://83.73.136.202:8003/minitools.xml |
| 12:55.21 | canllaith | ok thanks :) |
| 12:56.44 | sredna | One thing that is missing is the ability to assign shortcuts |
| 12:56.52 | sredna | But it's still a usefull feature |
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| 13:04.15 | canllaith | lol love that quit message |
| 13:04.39 | sredna | Auch |
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| 13:05.30 | ange_ciel4477 | hi folks :) |
| 13:05.42 | sredna | Hello ange_ciel4477 :) |
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| 13:06.00 | segfault2k | hi |
| 13:06.05 | ange_ciel4477 | hi dear !! |
| 13:06.14 | ange_ciel4477 | how r u doing folks ? |
| 13:06.31 | segfault2k | anybody knows how to fix this: http://200.104.79.8/~seba/snapshot1.jpg <- very big icons in the KMenu |
| 13:07.10 | ange_ciel4477 | yesterday i've talked about fonts and icons rendering in my compiled kde3.3.2, so fonts are fixed by freetype2, but the problem with rendering icons remains :( |
| 13:07.36 | ange_ciel4477 | i rebuilded libart and kdelibs and even kdebase, but nothing is done :( |
| 13:08.03 | ange_ciel4477 | is it true taht svg rendering is handled in kdegraphics? |
| 13:08.20 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: The rendering engine for svg icons is in kdelibs |
| 13:08.33 | segfault2k | anybody knows how to fix this: http://200.104.79.8/~seba/snapshot1.jpg <- very big icons in the KMenu |
| 13:08.38 | ange_ciel4477 | i rebuild it, but ain't no change :( |
| 13:09.06 | sredna | segfault2k: In the 'advanced' tab in the Icons control panel, change maybe the setting for 'small icons' |
| 13:09.14 | ange_ciel4477 | i used the latest libart libart_lgpl2.3.16 i think |
| 13:09.17 | sredna | If it is possible |
| 13:09.22 | segfault2k | is not possible :( |
| 13:09.42 | canllaith | segfault2k, yes |
| 13:09.51 | canllaith | let me check the screenshot but I think I can |
| 13:10.04 | canllaith | segfault2k, yeah I can fix that :) |
| 13:10.19 | segfault2k | but you look the shot? |
| 13:10.22 | segfault2k | the kcontrol part |
| 13:10.30 | segfault2k | is locked |
| 13:10.31 | segfault2k | :( |
| 13:10.34 | segfault2k | how can i fix it? |
| 13:10.36 | canllaith | Yes, it is in the config file you must change it |
| 13:10.54 | segfault2k | where? |
| 13:11.04 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.08 | canllaith | Open this in an editor |
| 13:11.31 | canllaith | and scroll right down to the very bottom until you see a section called [menus] |
| 13:11.33 | ange_ciel4477 | is someone having good and well rendered icons on his desktop? |
| 13:11.37 | ange_ciel4477 | i really desperate |
| 13:11.44 | segfault2k | MenuEntryHeight=32 <- here? |
| 13:11.53 | canllaith | segfault2k, exactly :) You are perceptive |
| 13:11.56 | canllaith | that is the icon height in pixels |
| 13:11.59 | zamolxes | is there a working browser based on qt/kparts ? i heard rummors about a gecko based kde browser but can't find it. Konqueror is ok for 80% of sites, but i have some problems with some dhtml widgets |
| 13:12.00 | segfault2k | thanks! |
| 13:12.21 | ange_ciel4477 | serdna > a clue, please? |
| 13:13.10 | segfault2k | thanks canllaith :D |
| 13:13.13 | segfault2k | is fixed :D |
| 13:13.38 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Not really. Do you have icons in other places (like menus, kicker etc)? |
| 13:13.57 | canllaith | zamolxes, http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2879795 |
| 13:14.06 | canllaith | segfault2k, yay! |
| 13:14.06 | ange_ciel4477 | yes, but they are not well rebndred either |
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| 13:14.26 | willwork4foo | yum. |
| 13:14.29 | canllaith | zamolxes, I have a really broken x86 binary tarball of qtfirefox but it's very unstable and shaky atm |
| 13:14.46 | canllaith | zamolxes, you are best to wait for the kpart to become stable ..... |
| 13:14.53 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Which color resolution does your display have? |
| 13:14.58 | zamolxes | :) |
| 13:15.05 | zamolxes | thanks |
| 13:15.09 | canllaith | but yeah, it is being worked on albeit slowly :) |
| 13:15.17 | ange_ciel4477 | resolution? at its best |
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| 13:15.26 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Color depth |
| 13:15.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:15.29 | ange_ciel4477 | 800*600 or such |
| 13:15.33 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Color depth |
| 13:15.39 | ange_ciel4477 | ah color depth 16bits |
| 13:15.46 | sredna | Hm, that should be ok |
| 13:15.55 | canllaith | My icons look perfect at 16 |
| 13:15.58 | ange_ciel4477 | yes, that's what i think too |
| 13:15.59 | willwork4foo | this is taking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGES |
| 13:16.03 | willwork4foo | :( |
| 13:16.06 | canllaith | so it is not that :) |
| 13:16.18 | ange_ciel4477 | what's responsible of renderging? libart? |
| 13:16.25 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I run at 24 bit depth on my machines |
| 13:16.27 | sredna | Qimage |
| 13:16.31 | canllaith | willwork4foo, that's nice. You do that. |
| 13:16.36 | ange_ciel4477 | in qt? |
| 13:16.39 | willwork4foo | yes. I will, damn it. |
| 13:16.56 | ange_ciel4477 | so will i have to rebuild qt3.3.3? |
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| 13:17.13 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: I can't really see that making a huge difference |
| 13:18.00 | ange_ciel4477 | why? |
| 13:18.33 | ange_ciel4477 | where's Qimage? |
| 13:18.46 | sredna | Well, not unless you change the code or update some of the related libraries (libpng) |
| 13:19.12 | ange_ciel4477 | ah no :'( not that please! |
| 13:19.32 | willwork4foo | I have to say - the funky option to set windows to be "no border" has to be my fave toy at the moment |
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| 13:19.36 | sredna | It's only worth if it's proven that it works bad |
| 13:19.58 | canllaith | my fave toy atm is kopete |
| 13:20.14 | ange_ciel4477 | i tweaked freetype2 yesterday and i thought i've done some great stuff, i was so proud, and then i found what i've done in the freetype2 readme! |
| 13:20.43 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Do you have a screenshot of the misrendered icons? |
| 13:21.11 | ange_ciel4477 | no, alas, my linux machine is not connected to Internet (at home) and here i've no screenshot |
| 13:22.01 | willwork4foo | I keep finding cool things that KDE does. and it actually does them well, and without very many bugs that I've seen so far. The only bug I've noticed of any remote significance (which doesn't really get in the way as such, it's just an imperfection) is that when you hover the mouse over something in the system notification area (like the battery monitor or volume thing) sometimes the tooltip that pops up stays there for ages. |
| 13:22.22 | canllaith | willwork4foo, yes the systray is being _completely_ reworked for kde 4 cause it just sucks lots |
| 13:22.27 | willwork4foo | apart from that bug, I'm very impressed. I used to be a hardcore gnome user. |
| 13:22.36 | willwork4foo | am now totally konverted. |
| 13:22.49 | canllaith | willwork4foo, well you did use kde a bit didn't you? I remember you telling me how amazingly snappy and fast 3.2.3 was |
| 13:22.57 | willwork4foo | I did for a while |
| 13:22.59 | canllaith | although I know you weren't using it all the time |
| 13:23.06 | willwork4foo | I prodded it for a bit |
| 13:23.11 | ange_ciel4477 | what's about ksvg? |
| 13:23.25 | ange_ciel4477 | is it for something in the strory? |
| 13:23.47 | physos | strory? |
| 13:24.27 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: It's not used for rendering the icons |
| 13:24.43 | ange_ciel4477 | story |
| 13:24.48 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: And if you use a png icon set, is it better? |
| 13:25.02 | ange_ciel4477 | (i'm better in french, english being the 4th language i learned) |
| 13:25.16 | ange_ciel4477 | sredna > ah ok, i though so. thanks :) |
| 13:25.25 | ange_ciel4477 | nuvola |
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| 13:26.05 | physos | ange_ciel4477: for the icons, SVG is much to slow. So the SVG icons are going to be rendered to PNG at compiletime. If you choose to use odd icon sizes, an icon cahc will try to keep rendering time low. |
| 13:26.13 | sredna | I can't remember is nuvola is png or svg |
| 13:26.27 | physos | ange_ciel4477: thats no problem of KDE, thats a general problem. |
| 13:26.47 | dhuv | i wanted to know which kde package has knotes |
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| 13:26.52 | physos | ange_ciel4477: current situation, all icons are PNG. |
| 13:26.59 | physos | kdeutils |
| 13:27.22 | sredna | dhuv: Kdeutils |
| 13:27.31 | ange_ciel4477 | ah ok :) thanks, so my icons are in png. but they are not rendred though :( |
| 13:27.32 | physos | dhuv: sorry, no, kdepim actually |
| 13:27.53 | sredna | Hm, right, it was moved... |
| 13:28.01 | dhuv | thanks |
| 13:28.18 | dhuv | there is no way to only install knotes without the rest of the pim package right? |
| 13:28.50 | ange_ciel4477 | i think you can |
| 13:28.51 | sredna | Canllaith (or anyone else running cvs HEAD): Do you use kompare? It seems to crash here, since updating yesterday |
| 13:28.58 | canllaith | dhuv, yeah you can |
| 13:29.05 | canllaith | sredna, yes but I haven't updated kdesdk in a while. I am about to do that |
| 13:29.08 | dhuv | canllaith: how? |
| 13:29.19 | canllaith | dhuv, check them out of cvs - cvs co -l kdepim |
| 13:29.21 | canllaith | cd kdepim |
| 13:29.24 | canllaith | cvs up knotes |
| 13:29.27 | canllaith | cvs co admin |
| 13:29.27 | ange_ciel4477 | have i to build kdesdk for my rendering pb? |
| 13:29.29 | canllaith | cd knotes |
| 13:29.29 | sredna | canllaith: Maybe you could check if it crashes when it's done? |
| 13:29.40 | canllaith | actually ignore the cd knotes |
| 13:29.49 | ange_ciel4477 | what's the hack by the way with my icons? |
| 13:29.54 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.55 | canllaith | Or you can grab the kdepim tarball and only build knotes |
| 13:29.57 | sredna | ./configure |
| 13:29.59 | canllaith | aye ty sredna :) |
| 13:30.01 | elirips | hello people. has anybody of you an idea what to do with this error: 'elirips@XERXES:~$ kfmclient openProfile filemanagement'. => 'kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: KDEInit could not launch 'kioexec'' |
| 13:30.04 | canllaith | make |
| 13:30.04 | sredna | Cd knotes && make install |
| 13:30.08 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 13:30.12 | sredna | Lol |
| 13:30.16 | canllaith | we a good team ;) |
| 13:30.17 | ange_ciel4477 | that easy ;) |
| 13:30.23 | elirips | and in .xsession-errors it says: "kioexec: Unknown option '--silent'. |
| 13:30.23 | elirips | kioexec: Use --help to get a list of available command line options." |
| 13:30.38 | dhuv | canllaith: ok thanks |
| 13:30.58 | willwork4foo | I've been running this script to update this website's design for over an hour and a half |
| 13:31.06 | willwork4foo | (there's a lot of files. it's a big site.) |
| 13:31.08 | sredna | willwork4foo: Is it something you'd recommend for us to see? |
| 13:31.31 | willwork4foo | sredna: I'd love you to see. but it's an internal Sun website. |
| 13:31.40 | willwork4foo | so sadly I can't show you the fruits of my labour. |
| 13:32.07 | sredna | elirips: Do you have more kde versions installed? |
| 13:32.26 | elirips | sredna: no, just the ones from debian-testing |
| 13:32.27 | canllaith | sod what was I doing |
| 13:32.30 | canllaith | ah updating kdesdk |
| 13:32.39 | willwork4foo | canllaith: go to sleep mate |
| 13:32.45 | canllaith | willwork4foo, grrrrr hush you |
| 13:32.45 | willwork4foo | it's gone 1:30 in the morning |
| 13:32.51 | canllaith | it's 2:30 what of it? |
| 13:32.52 | ange_ciel4477 | tell me guys please, is libart the responsible of icon rendering in kde? |
| 13:33.04 | willwork4foo | it's the wrong side of midnight |
| 13:33.23 | dhuv | thanks all |
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| 13:33.29 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: The icons are loaded into pixmaps using qt, and painted using qpainter |
| 13:33.48 | ange_ciel4477 | is qt depending of libart? |
| 13:33.53 | canllaith | willwork4foo, no such thing |
| 13:34.00 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: No |
| 13:34.22 | ange_ciel4477 | is there any param i forgot in building st? |
| 13:34.30 | sredna | Unknown file or directory 'after midnight' :o |
| 13:34.37 | ange_ciel4477 | i've added all the param about png, jpg, gif.. |
| 13:34.47 | ange_ciel4477 | qt, i mean |
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| 13:35.12 | canllaith | annma, heya :) |
| 13:35.15 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 13:35.20 | willwork4foo | I have a Solaris 9 release 09/04 DVD sat on my desk. someone asked me for a copy of it yesterday at work, so I burned it on my DVD burner last night. I've told them it's here. if they don't come and get it and they've wasted my time, I'm going to be fairly pissed off. |
| 13:35.29 | willwork4foo | lo annma |
| 13:35.32 | annma | hi canllaith, hi sredna :-) |
| 13:35.34 | annma | hi willwork4foo |
| 13:36.26 | ange_ciel4477 | fairly pissed off ? lol |
| 13:38.39 | canllaith | stupid crap internet connection |
| 13:38.58 | ange_ciel4477 | mine is about 5kbytes/sec so please be fair :) |
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| 13:40.03 | ange_ciel4477 | hi PhilRod :) |
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| 13:40.36 | ange_ciel4477 | PhilRod: You, i know you can help me :) |
| 13:42.04 | PhilRod | heh, maybe - what's the problem? |
| 13:42.21 | illogic-al | anyone know if there are any konqueror banners (for webpages) out there? |
| 13:43.21 | PhilRod | you mean like 'works with konqueror' images? |
| 13:43.54 | illogic-al | yeah. |
| 13:45.00 | ange_ciel4477 | so here the pb: icons are noot well rendered with my fresh build kde3.3.2? |
| 13:45.07 | ange_ciel4477 | what could be the pb? |
| 13:48.04 | ange_ciel4477 | so? :) |
| 13:48.07 | willwork4foo | grrr. kmail settings are confusing me because I'm used to thunderbird. |
| 13:48.14 | willwork4foo | <--- simpleton |
| 13:48.21 | canllaith | awww poor bub lol |
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| 13:49.34 | canllaith | damn I need to update kdelibs to do that? :| |
| 13:50.18 | ange_ciel4477 | damn! i'll never have my icons rendered :'( |
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| 13:50.33 | Lumax | hello |
| 13:50.44 | ange_ciel4477 | hi :) |
| 13:50.46 | Lumax | i need help.. i cant get k3b to work |
| 13:50.50 | Lumax | ctan@octan:/$ k3b |
| 13:50.51 | Lumax | k3b: relocation error: k3b: undefined symbol: _ZN11KMainWindow7setIconERK7QPixmap |
| 13:50.51 | Lumax | octan@octan:/$ |
| 13:51.00 | Lumax | what does that mean |
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| 13:52.18 | ange_ciel4477 | well, got to have this as certitude :( |
| 13:52.27 | ange_ciel4477 | bye guys and thanks anyway |
| 13:52.36 | Lumax | are you leaving |
| 13:52.52 | ange_ciel4477 | yeah :( |
| 13:52.56 | Lumax | why |
| 13:53.20 | PhilRod | Lumax: make sure you have the correct version of kdelibs installed |
| 13:53.40 | Lumax | PhilRod lol... thats it :) stupid me |
| 13:53.53 | canllaith | help... sredna why does this template want me to fill out an address book?:( |
| 13:54.00 | ange_ciel4477 | because, 'ill never fix my pb :'( |
| 13:54.20 | Lumax | ange_ciel4477 whats your problem |
| 13:54.28 | ange_ciel4477 | it's icon rendering |
| 13:54.35 | ange_ciel4477 | in kde3.3.2 |
| 13:54.46 | Lumax | PhilRod i feel stupid now.. arr thx dude |
| 13:54.47 | PhilRod | ange_ciel4477: did you follow through the instructions that aseigo gave you the other day? |
| 13:55.01 | physos | canllaith: because it adds the author to the template automatically |
| 13:55.02 | PhilRod | Lumax: don't worry - you're not the only person who's ever had that problem :-) |
| 13:55.12 | ange_ciel4477 | about freetype2? |
| 13:55.14 | ange_ciel4477 | i did |
| 13:55.16 | canllaith | :\ mmmm ok |
| 13:55.22 | ange_ciel4477 | it fixed my fonts pb |
| 13:55.33 | ange_ciel4477 | the icon one remains |
| 13:55.40 | PhilRod | ange_ciel4477: do you have a screenshot of the problem? |
| 13:55.42 | physos | canllaith: I don't like it, too. |
| 13:55.57 | canllaith | physos, that is ok I will create a special entry just for it.... |
| 13:55.57 | ange_ciel4477 | no :( and i feel ashamed of not having it |
| 13:56.00 | physos | canllaith: you can edit the templates and remove that stuff. |
| 13:56.19 | ange_ciel4477 | it's almost like if the icon were cuted and putted |
| 13:56.29 | ange_ciel4477 | cutted with cisors i mean |
| 13:56.34 | ange_ciel4477 | and badly cutted |
| 13:56.38 | ange_ciel4477 | it's so ugly |
| 13:56.40 | annma | canllaith: what feature do you think is the best in the next coming 3.4? |
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| 13:57.19 | canllaith | annma, well I must say the work that has been done to start implementing kconfigxt in kicker ;) ;) ;) |
| 13:57.26 | annma | lol |
| 13:57.38 | annma | I am not sure the end user will be aware of it |
| 13:57.41 | canllaith | hahaha seriously though, if I had to choose just one.... |
| 13:57.49 | ange_ciel4477 | PhilRod: what could be the pb? |
| 13:57.50 | canllaith | kopete & kontact integration perhaps? |
| 13:57.51 | annma | it's for a presentation to my LUG |
| 13:57.57 | annma | oh, yes |
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| 13:58.03 | annma | thanks, canllaith |
| 13:58.07 | canllaith | :) |
| 13:58.27 | PhilRod | ange_ciel4477: no need to be ashamed of not having a screenshot: just make one! Do you have ksnapshot installed? |
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| 13:59.34 | willwork4foo | hmm. Kmail isn't very good after all - it can't handle LDAP address books. I've just set up my work LDAP address book, and when I tried to hit OK on all the settings (which, by the way were correct - I double-checked) I get the error: "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'ldap'. |
| 14:00.23 | illogic-al | willwork4foo: maybe the people in #kontact can give some insight on that. |
| 14:00.40 | willwork4foo | I'm just going to go back to using Thunderbird. |
| 14:00.43 | canllaith | willwork4foo, yes it does have ldap support...... |
| 14:00.48 | willwork4foo | thunderbird just works. |
| 14:00.50 | canllaith | and it works..... |
| 14:00.51 | canllaith | uhuh |
| 14:00.55 | ange_ciel4477 | i'm on a windows machine here, where i live ain't no internet connexion at home |
| 14:01.05 | ange_ciel4477 | so have to go home and make screenshots |
| 14:01.20 | PhilRod | ah, tricky |
| 14:01.28 | illogic-al | quite |
| 14:01.44 | ange_ciel4477 | not enough |
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| 14:02.44 | ange_ciel4477 | anyway, thanks for your good will :) (bonne volonte) |
| 14:03.16 | Spg | I just thought of something, ksmserver uses 25mb of memory, but it's only purpose is to auto-start programs and restore a session.. So for future, would it not be a good idea to have ksmserver shutdown and relase 25mb of memory after it's job is done? |
| 14:04.32 | ange_ciel4477 | got to go boys :) thanks a million times |
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| 14:08.39 | termo | hey, could anybody help me out with this one? When I type "xpdf -fullscreen <file>" xpdf considers the kpanel not to be part of the screen, and it still displays a border with "quit" button. How is this possible? (kde issue, of xpdf issue?) |
| 14:08.59 | termo | s/of/or/ |
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| 14:11.52 | termo | Even if I hide the kpanel, xpdf still displays a border/quit-button |
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| 14:14.35 | crs | re |
| 14:14.47 | cuse | Hi! I'm trying to switch the icon bitmap of a desktop icon by script, I just replaced the "Icon=" tag in ~/Desktop/someicon, but it does not work. If I click on "propeties" of that icon it shows correctly the new icon which i switched via script, but it doesnt show it on the desktop, even if I refresh the desktop manually. What might be the reason? And what can I do about it? |
| 14:15.01 | crs | i recompile kdelibs and kde base but still i kde no have pc speaker. Why? ;/ |
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| 14:16.15 | hackeron | how do you change settings in KDE from the command line? -- like say I want to disable the "tip of the day" dialog or change the window border decorations? |
| 14:17.07 | crs | annma: are you here? |
| 14:17.08 | annma | you want to do it directly from the command line or display the dialog from the command line? |
| 14:17.13 | annma | crs: hi! yes |
| 14:17.19 | crs | annma: hello dude :) |
| 14:17.24 | annma | hi! |
| 14:17.26 | crs | annma: why still dont work? :( |
| 14:17.30 | hackeron | annma: do so directly, no X. |
| 14:17.35 | annma | what does not work? |
| 14:17.45 | annma | hackeron: dcop |
| 14:17.49 | termo | hackeron: I guess you can use dcop? |
| 14:17.53 | willwork4foo | dayam this is taking forever |
| 14:18.02 | annma | crs: did you recompile kdelibs and kdebase? |
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| 14:18.04 | termo | ah |
| 14:18.12 | hackeron | annma: termo: could you give me an example for say how to remove the tip of the day dialog? |
| 14:18.19 | crs | annma: yes, recompile both of ther |
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| 14:18.58 | Spg | KDE uses too much ram |
| 14:19.05 | termo | hackeron: type kdcop |
| 14:19.17 | termo | there you can see the functions available |
| 14:19.50 | hackeron | termo: thanks for that. Could you give me an example of how I use those on the command line? |
| 14:20.05 | termo | hmm |
| 14:20.06 | termo | not sure |
| 14:20.41 | annma | hackeron: tip of the day is KTip |
| 14:21.12 | hackeron | annma: I dont see ktip in kdcop, where is it? |
| 14:21.27 | annma | it should run to see it |
| 14:21.58 | hackeron | annma: what? |
| 14:22.10 | annma | type ktip in konsole |
| 14:22.12 | crs | annma: if in kcontrol in Sound & multimedia --> sound system i click on Test then i get Kcrash ;/ Some apps (arts?) is crashed ;/ |
| 14:22.15 | annma | restart kdcop |
| 14:22.20 | annma | you'll see it |
| 14:22.34 | hackeron | annma: why would I want to run it? |
| 14:22.45 | annma | crs: is it the first time you run kde? |
| 14:22.52 | annma | hackeron: to see the dcop calls |
| 14:22.52 | crs | annma: no |
| 14:22.53 | hackeron | annma: all I want is to change default KDE configuration.. Without starting KDE |
| 14:23.03 | hackeron | annma: then I dont need dcop... |
| 14:23.06 | annma | crs: did the sound work with arts in kde previously? |
| 14:23.10 | annma | before |
| 14:23.13 | crs | annma: but is good idea, i move all config files and try at vanilia config |
| 14:23.17 | crs | annma: i think yes |
| 14:23.25 | annma | hackeron: it's an example to teach you dcop |
| 14:23.34 | annma | crs: yes |
| 14:23.45 | hackeron | annma: but I dont need DCOP then... |
| 14:23.48 | crs | brb |
| 14:23.52 | annma | crs: if it does not work post in gentoo forums with your sound card |
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| 14:24.11 | annma | hackeron: it's for showing you how dcop works |
| 14:24.18 | hackeron | annma: ok, say I dont have KDE running, or X at all. I want to change some configuration like say the default font for konqueror. How do I do that? |
| 14:24.37 | annma | why if no X do you need konqueror? |
| 14:24.52 | annma | you can't do that without the font dialog |
| 14:25.03 | sredna | Re |
| 14:25.08 | hackeron | annma: sure you can. If the font dialog changes it, configurations are stored somewhere... |
| 14:25.20 | annma | hack the config file then |
| 14:25.30 | hackeron | annma: and whats kconf_update and kcontroledit all about? |
| 14:26.04 | hackeron | annma: I also seen lines like: kreadconfig --file kpersonalizerrc --group General --key FirstLogin --default false --type bool |
| 14:26.48 | annma | hackeron: you have kdcop so now you have a start |
| 14:27.15 | annma | you can put together a small HowTo and send it to me to help others after you're done |
| 14:27.39 | hackeron | annma: what? |
| 14:27.48 | hackeron | annma: how is kdcop or dcop of any use at all? |
| 14:28.20 | hackeron | annma: I'm not controlling running applications... |
| 14:28.20 | annma | <sigh> |
| 14:28.26 | annma | ok then |
| 14:28.35 | annma | so what are you controlling? |
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| 14:28.57 | annma | you want to change konq font on a non running konq in non X? |
| 14:29.11 | crs | annma: straign problem. Because i new setts i kcontrol whet i run TEST pc speaker this work good. |
| 14:29.38 | annma | so speakers work now, crs |
| 14:29.44 | annma | but arts crashes |
| 14:29.46 | hackeron | annma: I do useradd someone; password someone -- then I want to set some KDE configuration without running an X session at all |
| 14:30.03 | crs | annma: but in this apps dont work still. beeping in this apps work good in console (not kde console) |
| 14:30.19 | Renze | hackeron: put the default user config in /etc/skel |
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| 14:30.40 | hackeron | Renze: I know, but what if a new KDE version comes out? |
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| 14:30.56 | hackeron | Renze: there are ways of settings configs without over writing files |
| 14:31.04 | crs | annma: at start i get kcrasj notify me about artsd crash ;/ |
| 14:31.07 | Renze | hackeron: then you either hope that they still work, or you update /etc/skel |
| 14:31.32 | hackeron | Renze: also, the configs in ~/.kde/ are all over the place |
| 14:31.35 | Renze | hackeron: /etc/skel only gets copied once whenever a new user is created |
| 14:32.41 | Renze | hackeron: or are you talking about updating all your users whenever you upgrade? |
| 14:32.59 | hackeron | Renze: ofcourse |
| 14:33.27 | Renze | hackeron: no easy way of doing that, sorry... |
| 14:34.14 | hackeron | Renze: ofcourse there is :) |
| 14:34.26 | hackeron | Renze: there's kreadconfig and kwriteconfig -- just trying to figure out how to use them. |
| 14:34.40 | Renze | hackeron: well, you can forcibly change all your user's configs, but if I was one of those users, I'd be really pissed off |
| 14:36.15 | sredna | In most cases, if users havent changed the config, the default value will be used, at least since kde 3.3 if I am not mistaken |
| 14:36.37 | sredna | Kconfig stopped writing default values to the rc files |
| 14:37.00 | hackeron | sredna: Kconfig? |
| 14:37.35 | sredna | hackeron: The kde config library |
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| 14:38.26 | sredna | hackeron: It has stopped writing the values in the local files if they do not differ from the default |
| 14:39.01 | sredna | hackeron: Therefore, when you update KDE new defaults will take effect automatically unless the user have custom values |
| 14:40.41 | annma | yes, that's exact, sredna |
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| 14:50.16 | hackeron | sredna: Err, I just added a new user, started KDE and it created many many filled up config files in ~/.kde/share/config/ -- this is KDE 3.3.1 |
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| 14:51.50 | sredna | hackeron: So? I didn't say it wouldn't create files, I said it changed to not write out dfault values in those files as the standard behavior |
| 14:56.47 | hackeron | sredna: but it *does* write out default values in those files |
| 14:57.11 | sredna | hackeron: Do you have those files in /etc/skel? |
| 14:57.15 | hackeron | sredna: no |
| 14:57.24 | sredna | Hm |
| 14:57.42 | sredna | Ah, you started kde |
| 14:58.29 | hackeron | sredna: yeah... |
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| 15:05.17 | sredna | hackeron: It's probably because the non-write policy only works if there is an actual key in a file in the global config directory, and a huge amount of options have coded defaults |
| 15:10.21 | hackeron | sredna: what are you talking about? -- it writes all defaults in .kde -- there's nothing else to say... |
| 15:10.50 | sredna | Yea, you obviously knows much more than I about that |
| 15:13.00 | hackeron | sredna: I know just 1 thing, in a blank home directory, if I run KDE, it creates all config files with all default configuration. You're saying it doesnt do that... |
| 15:15.17 | hackeron | sredna: not that what you're saying doesnt make sense, its just not what happens unfortunately. |
| 15:15.22 | sredna | Well, too bad then I was wrong |
| 15:25.57 | canllaith | sredna, actually it doesn't write out a lot of config files until you change away from default settings |
| 15:25.59 | canllaith | erm not sredna |
| 15:26.00 | canllaith | hackeron, |
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| 15:26.49 | canllaith | and I've just spent many hours last night going through a particular apps source code in the places it reads and writes from config files lol |
| 15:27.09 | canllaith | :o hugs :D |
| 15:27.11 | sredna | ``där fins människar som bara gud orkar med´´ |
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| 15:27.27 | canllaith | mmm I guess I need to be using utf8 |
| 15:27.35 | sredna | Lol |
| 15:27.41 | sredna | As any swede what it means |
| 15:27.52 | canllaith | lol sredna I don't see any swedes around here atm |
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| 15:28.03 | canllaith | at least I think lauri is off picking up her daughter and I know no others =p |
| 15:29.04 | canllaith | heh you'll just have to translate it for me yourself sredna |
| 15:29.18 | sredna | I only do the singing |
| 15:31.02 | canllaith | hackeron, if you want to change default KDE behaviour without restarting KDE the best way is to have a .kde dir in /etc/skel with your customised settings. That is how fedora does it, suse, etc. |
| 15:31.03 | sredna | We could play atlantik |
| 15:31.04 | willwork4foo | anyone ever start something expecting it to only take a little while and it winds up consuming the rest of the day / week / month / decade ? |
| 15:31.07 | illogic-al | have I mentioned that I'm using nvidia drivers again? |
| 15:31.10 | illogic-al | yay me. |
| 15:31.22 | canllaith | willwork4foo, heh you mean like last night? "This will only take me two minutes......" |
| 15:31.25 | willwork4foo | I'm still waiting for this script to finish before I can do anything else useful on my webserver... |
| 15:31.26 | illogic-al | willwork4foo: we all do. |
| 15:31.30 | canllaith | without *starting not restarting. |
| 15:31.32 | willwork4foo | canllaith: famous last words. |
| 15:31.39 | illogic-al | perils of open source and all that. |
| 15:31.44 | willwork4foo | "This'll be done in a moment" |
| 15:31.45 | canllaith | willwork4foo, indeed. I also have this sucky habit of wanting to 'finish' a job |
| 15:31.51 | willwork4foo | same here. |
| 15:32.09 | canllaith | eg, userguide 'oh I'll just finish this chapter (5000 words or so) then I'll leave it there' |
| 15:32.26 | canllaith | you can guarnantee though I'll get conned into writing another small 300 word section and go.. hmm it looks untidy the rest of the chapter is blank. |
| 15:32.32 | illogic-al | I started to create DNS records for my domain. should only have taken a couple hours (cause I suck at bind) |
| 15:32.35 | canllaith | 5000 words later....... |
| 15:32.37 | illogic-al | I just finished. |
| 15:32.49 | illogic-al | i started two days ago... |
| 15:32.51 | willwork4foo | if I'm doing something like configuring a new box, I won't want to stop until I've installed absolutely all the programs, set it up just right, made it look good, got various services running... |
| 15:33.06 | canllaith | oooooh hahaha that sucks illogic-al :( |
| 15:33.32 | illogic-al | yeah. first i got it to work from my pc. yay. |
| 15:33.40 | willwork4foo | luckily, in the current "it'll be over soon" job that's running, it's all scripted so I just gotta sit and watch it scroll through |
| 15:33.41 | illogic-al | that really only took a couple of hours |
| 15:33.46 | canllaith | oh so illogical.org is up now? |
| 15:33.55 | illogic-al | then i had to get it to work for everyonne else |
| 15:33.55 | canllaith | illogic-al or whatever |
| 15:34.07 | willwork4foo | I'm getting deja-vu though... I'm sure I've seen some of these directories before... |
| 15:34.13 | willwork4foo | god I hope it's not looping |
| 15:34.18 | canllaith | tis probably looping on you willwork4foo ;) |
| 15:34.23 | willwork4foo | canllaith: noooooooooooooooooo |
| 15:34.28 | illogic-al | that took a day because my router was being retarded (said it was opening port 53 when it really wasn't) |
| 15:34.39 | willwork4foo | if it's looping, then I've got like a whole week of work to tidy up the mes |
| 15:34.50 | illogic-al | then i decided to chroot bind and that took another couple hours today. |
| 15:35.14 | illogic-al | canllaith: yah. it's up. looking not so grand but it's up |
| 15:35.30 | canllaith | then it's their problem. |
| 15:35.37 | illogic-al | I usually start adding content to my website when i'm at school. y'know to esacep REAL work. |
| 15:35.39 | canllaith | Except, for the company website cause .. heh well i wouldn't trust someone else with that. |
| 15:36.12 | illogic-al | canllaith: I did that w/ the schools server, till i found they didn't have php :-( |
| 15:36.50 | willwork4foo | why not canllaith |
| 15:36.50 | willwork4foo | ? |
| 15:36.56 | canllaith | because I prefer perl :) |
| 15:37.17 | illogic-al | canllaith: heh. well they don't have either :-) |
| 15:37.25 | canllaith | illogic-al, heh that sucks |
| 15:37.59 | hackeron | canllaith: not without restarting, without starting :) |
| 15:38.11 | illogic-al | well I never bothered learning perl. php was made for the web so that what i use (and why i chose it). |
| 15:38.12 | canllaith | hackeron, that is what I meant. I corrected myself only a few lines later. |
| 15:38.29 | hackeron | canllaith: ah, sorry, still reading all messages |
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| 15:38.42 | willwork4foo | I am now in a bit of a tight spot decision-wise. if I kill this script and investigate the possibility of it looping, and it's not been looping, then I'll have to start it again from the beginning and re-do everything. if it has been looping, I'll have to fix the problem then re-do everything. so basically, I can either leave it until it finishes (an unknown amount of time... and if it's looping it'll NEVER finish) and then see what the score is then |
| 15:38.42 | willwork4foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.53 | hackeron | canllaith: but yes, makes sense, thanks. |
| 15:38.59 | canllaith | kdesdk is getting there... *sigh* almost |
| 15:39.03 | illogic-al | i have to say though, i like it because of it's similarities w/ c++, made learning it (what little learning I've done) easier. |
| 15:39.10 | canllaith | willwork4foo, I doubt it's that critical or they wouldn't have given it to an intern *smiles sweetly* |
| 15:39.29 | canllaith | so stress less ;) |
| 15:39.52 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 15:41.15 | willwork4foo | canllaith: bitch. |
| 15:41.27 | canllaith | willwork4foo, you love me for it. |
| 15:41.38 | willwork4foo | canllaith: it's the department's main website and repository for all reference data for the work we do. |
| 15:41.58 | willwork4foo | so if I kill it, I'm in some fairly deep poo, because nobody can get the information they need to be able to fix things |
| 15:42.00 | illogic-al | the guy running illogical.org is going to get a bitof misplaced traffic thanks to me :-) |
| 15:42.33 | canllaith | lol no doubt |
| 15:43.10 | willwork4foo | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! the epic-length script has finished! |
| 15:43.27 | willwork4foo | that actually took longer to run than a Lord of the Rings movie. |
| 15:43.36 | illogic-al | lol |
| 15:43.57 | canllaith | me: goodnight |
| 15:44.06 | canllaith | glim: <insert 4 paragraphs about nothing here> |
| 15:44.13 | canllaith | me: you need to sleep. Goodnight. |
| 15:44.25 | canllaith | glim: <sending lots of sleep related emotes while talking about nothing for 4 paragraphs> |
| 15:44.35 | canllaith | rinse and repeat |
| 15:44.45 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 15:45.09 | canllaith | he's typed 7 lines... maybe if I don't say anything he'll give up and go to bed..... |
| 15:45.13 | sredna | Lol |
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| 15:45.31 | sredna | Hm, jeroen |
| 15:45.49 | willwork4foo | incidentally... if anyone is interested in purchasing a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L - I'm flogging^H^H^H^H^H selling one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5742724331 |
| 15:46.04 | canllaith | willwork4foo, dude advertising is so not cool |
| 15:46.23 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I know. I am sorry - I'm just desperate to sell it. need the money. |
| 15:46.27 | illogic-al | unless it's for fairy dust. |
| 15:46.31 | willwork4foo | I would normally not do it. |
| 15:46.38 | illogic-al | we're always in short supply here... |
| 15:46.43 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.55 | canllaith | damnit updatedb i need to kill that cron |
| 15:46.59 | willwork4foo | ah - I have some of that too illogic-al... one sprinkle and it'll turn you into a big fairy |
| 15:47.08 | willwork4foo | thanks canllaith |
| 15:47.17 | illogic-al | willwork4foo: not the kind we're looking for here. |
| 15:47.22 | willwork4foo | illogic-al: sure? |
| 15:47.39 | illogic-al | we need the industrial strength stuff the will fix all problems after a wee sprinkle. |
| 15:47.58 | willwork4foo | ah that stuff. I've got a device that does that. it's called a hammer. |
| 15:48.15 | willwork4foo | guarantees no further problems, and that existing computer problems cease to occur. |
| 15:48.52 | willwork4foo | I've tested it, and found it to be approx 99% effective. |
| 15:48.52 | willwork4foo | 100% effective if used correctly. |
| 15:49.30 | willwork4foo | sometimes I'm glad that my partner isn't a geek |
| 15:49.41 | willwork4foo | we'd be a nightmare pair if we were both geeks |
| 15:49.54 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 15:50.06 | canllaith | so many geeky males say that as though being a female geek is a bad thing |
| 15:50.15 | annma | yeah |
| 15:50.19 | willwork4foo | hey, I'm not saying that |
| 15:50.25 | annma | (go canllaith, go) |
| 15:50.27 | willwork4foo | geeky females are fantastic |
| 15:50.29 | canllaith | and yet I think I've had more marriage proposals than you have fooey ;) =p |
| 15:50.34 | annma | lol |
| 15:50.41 | canllaith | (I'm teasing.) |
| 15:50.47 | willwork4foo | but - if I lived with one, I'd never get any sleep / food / work done. |
| 15:50.56 | willwork4foo | because there'd be constant mucking about on computers by both of us |
| 15:51.16 | willwork4foo | as it is, Claire pulls me away from my SPARC box most evenings and makes me come downstairs for food |
| 15:51.19 | illogic-al | there's be constant something else from me an the missus |
| 15:51.24 | illogic-al | geeky or not... |
| 15:51.34 | canllaith | willwork4foo, nah because not everyone is wholey geek or wholey not. I cook, he cleans, I sew and sing, he tinkers with electronics and is the home handyman. |
| 15:51.37 | willwork4foo | if she was up there with me working, we'd both forget the time until 3am |
| 15:51.43 | illogic-al | (I'm teasing) :-) |
| 15:51.46 | canllaith | as we do, but who cares? |
| 15:51.48 | willwork4foo | canllaith: true |
| 15:51.51 | canllaith | We had dinner tonight at 1am |
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| 15:52.26 | canllaith | he's fallen asleep on the couch watching startrek, but who is to say this way of life is worse than any other? I chose it over the stereotype because it's much more fun =p |
| 15:52.31 | annma | besides some of us are even able to look after kids |
| 15:52.37 | willwork4foo | absolutely agree with you there canllaith |
| 15:52.44 | illogic-al | lol |
| 15:52.46 | willwork4foo | but I have to get up for work at like 7:30am every day |
| 15:52.48 | willwork4foo | :( |
| 15:52.52 | annma | I wish I have a wireless laptop in the kitchen though |
| 15:52.53 | canllaith | No, you don't. |
| 15:53.05 | canllaith | You don't _have_ to. You could do something else. You want to. |
| 15:53.12 | canllaith | :) |
| 15:53.14 | annma | ;) |
| 15:53.40 | willwork4foo | canllaith: currently, I _have_ to. I'm working on a degree (currently intern @ Sun) so that I can one day not get up at 7:30am every morning. |
| 15:53.54 | canllaith | willwork4foo, that's such rubbish =p you do it because you want to. |
| 15:54.03 | willwork4foo | One day, I'll be able to work from a laptop on a beach somewhere with a wireless linkup to the internet |
| 15:54.13 | canllaith | mm like I do? If that is what you want, reach out and take it. |
| 15:54.19 | willwork4foo | sunning myself and deciding whether or not to go surfing on my lunch break |
| 15:54.36 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I am trying to! I need a degree first or I can't have that lifestyle. |
| 15:54.44 | canllaith | lol |
| 15:54.49 | canllaith | I don't have a degree and Andrew has 3 or 4...... |
| 15:55.03 | canllaith | we command more or less the same price for contract work. |
| 15:55.11 | willwork4foo | I've also got just over 18 months of linux experience. |
| 15:55.13 | willwork4foo | total. |
| 15:55.21 | willwork4foo | and 6 months of Solaris experience. |
| 15:55.50 | willwork4foo | I'm not certified or proven in any field yet except Visual Basic programming (my first batch of certifications) and C programming. |
| 15:56.01 | canllaith | I'm not sure if I have any certifications left actually and I should =p |
| 15:56.05 | canllaith | should check* |
| 15:56.10 | canllaith | most of them expire after a year or three |
| 15:56.18 | willwork4foo | the Sun ones last forever |
| 15:56.23 | willwork4foo | but they are for certain versions of OS |
| 15:56.33 | willwork4foo | so they expire when people stop using those OS |
| 15:56.33 | canllaith | yeah, I have no solaris quals. Of course I've been working with it for ages =p |
| 15:56.38 | illogic-al | cause suns last forever |
| 15:56.44 | willwork4foo | they do. |
| 15:56.56 | illogic-al | get it? Sun, the sun. they both last forver. |
| 15:56.59 | illogic-al | it's a pun! |
| 15:57.03 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 15:57.11 | illogic-al | ok, i go bye bye |
| 15:57.15 | willwork4foo | bye now. |
| 15:57.19 | canllaith | lol it's ok I appreciated it illogic-al |
| 15:57.31 | willwork4foo | I spotted it. I won't say I "appreciated" it... |
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| 15:57.44 | illogic-al | canllaith: lol. thanks. |
| 15:59.39 | canllaith | mmm wish the brightness on this laptop would go down further |
| 15:59.39 | pukyxd | what about KDE 3.4 beta1 ¿ |
| 15:59.45 | canllaith | pukyxd, what about it? :) |
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| 16:00.14 | pukyxd | when it will be realesed? |
| 16:00.19 | canllaith | it has been |
| 16:00.23 | PhilRod | pukyxd: packagers are working on it now. They may or may not be ready soon |
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| 16:00.35 | pukyxd | ok thanks :) |
| 16:00.41 | canllaith | you can already grab it from cvs I believe |
| 16:00.44 | PhilRod | but as canllaith says, it's ready in so far as it's tagged in cvs |
| 16:00.53 | canllaith | snap! |
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| 16:05.01 | willwork4foo | right. I'm off to do some stuff. |
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| 16:10.03 | PhilRod | pukyxd: if you find instructions somewhere for using cvs, just modify the cvs co line to "cvs co -r KDE_3_4_BETA1 <modulename>" and the rest should be the same |
| 16:10.33 | pukyxd | ok, thanks :D |
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| 16:17.12 | sredna | The small icon size has become configurable |
| 16:17.17 | sredna | Nice |
| 16:17.42 | grepper | you mean on menus ? |
| 16:18.04 | sredna | grepper: Anywhere a small icon appears |
| 16:18.17 | grepper | that is the SuSe patch ? |
| 16:18.18 | canllaith | I noticed that today |
| 16:18.30 | sredna | grepper: Like anywhere is's created using KIconLoader::SmallIcon() |
| 16:18.33 | grepper | ah, something else then |
| 16:18.41 | grepper | cool |
| 16:18.44 | canllaith | grepper, in kdesktop and the toolbars and everything like that not just kicker :) |
| 16:18.49 | sredna | grepper: Ir requires all code that has a hardcoded size of 16 to be changed |
| 16:19.13 | sredna | But is's nice, since in high resolutions 16 is very small |
| 16:19.30 | grepper | what would be nice if you could set a different text font/size in just kmenu , as opposed to all application menus |
| 16:19.58 | canllaith | grepper, file as a wish? I don't think it's already there but I have missed kicker settings before now |
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| 16:20.46 | grepper | I'll have a look at b.k.o |
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| 16:24.10 | sredna | I wonder what my systray will look like with bigger icons |
| 16:24.13 | grepper | nope, I don't see a wishlist item for that yet |
| 16:24.38 | sredna | Cool |
| 16:24.56 | canllaith | you can configure the systray? :| |
| 16:25.00 | canllaith | when ?? |
| 16:25.18 | sredna | canllaith: Changing the size of the small icon impacts a lot of things |
| 16:25.26 | canllaith | sredna, hmmm where did you change this? |
| 16:25.29 | sredna | canllaith: Toolbars (with small icons size), menus etc |
| 16:25.43 | sredna | In the advanced tab of the Icons control panel |
| 16:25.50 | canllaith | mmm |
| 16:26.18 | canllaith | I can't configure it |
| 16:26.30 | canllaith | I could when I used an svg icon set |
| 16:27.07 | sredna | Maybe that is the key |
| 16:27.11 | canllaith | 16 is the only size it's letting me choose |
| 16:27.17 | canllaith | ah, you are using wasp svg aren't you :) |
| 16:27.30 | sredna | I'm using .. eh |
| 16:27.54 | sredna | Gartoon |
| 16:28.00 | sredna | Is what I am using currently |
| 16:28.09 | canllaith | ahhhhhh really? Ok, I will try that one. I want to collectmore svg sets |
| 16:28.11 | sredna | But yes, it is a svg set |
| 16:28.36 | canllaith | so that is the key. I only had these options using reinhardt and wasp |
| 16:29.16 | annma | a guy just asked me if I am popular in Quebec as he knows my name outside kde! |
| 16:29.26 | canllaith | annma, ahaha really? |
| 16:29.29 | annma | isn't that fame? |
| 16:29.32 | canllaith | I guess that is an answer in itself! |
| 16:29.35 | sredna | Lol :) |
| 16:29.41 | annma | 11:25:40] <tdfc> annma: I noticed your name yesterday while reading a kdevelop tutorial, I'm sure I have heard your name somewhere -- not related to kde or opensource --, are you popular in quebec or something ? |
| 16:29.55 | canllaith | sredna, your docbook template is great btw (I don't remember if I told you) |
| 16:30.04 | annma | that boosts my already-big ego |
| 16:30.17 | sredna | canllaith: Thanks, and you didn't, I only heard from lauri wrt that |
| 16:30.32 | sredna | canllaith: As I wrote, go update and get the last few things right |
| 16:30.40 | canllaith | ah well it's wonderful |
| 16:30.53 | canllaith | oh I will I am just updating kdesdk for you so I can test kompare :) |
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| 16:31.31 | herodes | hi-.... |
| 16:31.45 | sredna | I thnk I'm ready to commit katefilelist with the background shading |
| 16:31.50 | canllaith | yayyyayy |
| 16:31.53 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.57 | canllaith | the guys in #kate are probably sick of hearing from me sredna |
| 16:32.03 | sredna | I fixed the last crash |
| 16:32.03 | herodes | how do i set kde as default window-manager?. I am on a sargedebian |
| 16:32.13 | sredna | canllaith: ? |
| 16:32.13 | canllaith | I was going in there every few days saying 'where is anders? has he commited the pretty colours for kate yet?' |
| 16:32.18 | sredna | Lol |
| 16:32.34 | sredna | That is a lie, I'm allways in kate (or at least in my wake hours) |
| 16:32.39 | herodes | default is gnome. |
| 16:32.45 | canllaith | you were away for a wile =p |
| 16:32.46 | sredna | But a flattering one :o |
| 16:32.51 | canllaith | herodes, do you use gdm or do you use startx ? |
| 16:33.07 | canllaith | herodes, if startx just create a .xinitrc file that exec /path/to/kde in it |
| 16:33.35 | herodes | if i try to do startkde, i am said, umable to connect X server. may be ruuning yet |
| 16:33.44 | canllaith | herodes, yes because you need to use startx and not startkde |
| 16:33.46 | Celestar | can I tell kwrite to strip all whitespace at the end of lines? |
| 16:34.06 | herodes | canllaith: startx does not go too |
| 16:34.17 | herodes | cause there is gnome alive |
| 16:34.17 | canllaith | herodes, make a .xinitrc file in your home directory that has the line 'exec /path/to/startkde' and then startx |
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| 16:34.39 | canllaith | The .xinitrc file will now be starting gnome, you need to change it to start kde instead. |
| 16:34.45 | canllaith | mv .xinitrc .xinitrc-bak |
| 16:34.47 | canllaith | then make a new one |
| 16:34.54 | herodes | ummm-.--- |
| 16:35.12 | herodes | for kill gdm...? |
| 16:35.20 | herodes | i am not able to . |
| 16:35.24 | canllaith | ooooh so it is gdm that is running, ok |
| 16:35.28 | canllaith | I see. |
| 16:36.10 | herodes | ?. |
| 16:36.24 | canllaith | edit |
| 16:36.39 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.52 | canllaith | you will see if you scroll down sections that are starting other window managers |
| 16:37.18 | canllaith | like this |
| 16:37.34 | canllaith | failsafe) |
| 16:37.34 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.34 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.34 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.40 | herodes | first... dont know what xd,kdm gdm are. |
| 16:37.44 | canllaith | make one for KDE that is like these sections.... |
| 16:38.06 | canllaith | herodes, when you start your computer do you have a text login or do you have a graphical login screen? :) |
| 16:38.17 | herodes | graphical |
| 16:38.36 | canllaith | ok and this is gdm, you know this ? |
| 16:39.00 | herodes | ummm. it thing so |
| 16:39.17 | canllaith | heh well perhaps try to edit the file /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession |
| 16:39.49 | canllaith | if you look inside this file, you should see what you need to do. Make some lines for kde, that look like the lines for gnome. |
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| 16:43.10 | sredna | canllaith: Ok, it's in |
| 16:43.38 | canllaith | sredna, yay I will cvs up and test it for you ;) |
| 16:43.43 | sredna | You'd do me a favour by updating kdebase/kate and see if it at least does not crash, and of cause secondary what you think about it |
| 16:43.43 | canllaith | incidentally, kompare seems ok here |
| 16:43.48 | sredna | He |
| 16:43.49 | canllaith | sredna, of course. I will do it now. |
| 16:44.01 | sredna | Hm, I wonder what is wrong here then |
| 16:45.06 | canllaith | wow, I do not know what has changed |
| 16:45.06 | herodes | canllaith, whats the diference between xdm gdm and kdm? |
| 16:45.11 | canllaith | but redrawing of windows is so fast |
| 16:45.42 | sredna | canllaith: Where? |
| 16:45.43 | canllaith | herodes, xdm is the very plain one that comes with X - it is very simple and plain. gdm is the gnome version with more features, and kdm is the kde version with more features. Apart from this, they all serve the same function. |
| 16:45.58 | canllaith | sredna, in general. Apps are gooing 'pop' and redrawing on my screen so fast |
| 16:46.08 | sredna | X? |
| 16:46.23 | canllaith | I am using xorg ... ? |
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| 16:51.17 | illogic-al | hmm. new goodies in kate eh? |
| 16:52.22 | sredna | illogic-al: Some of my usual vaporware |
| 16:52.23 | canllaith | cvs up is taking so long these days |
| 16:52.30 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 16:53.52 | grepper | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.00 | canllaith | no, it is hanging at cvs up ........ |
| 16:54.01 | grepper | anyone know a work around for that ? |
| 16:54.11 | canllaith | as in it's just hanging there not actually downloading anything :\ |
| 16:54.27 | illogic-al | you still on anon cvs? |
| 16:54.29 | grepper | xauth extract thang doesn't work |
| 16:54.35 | canllaith | then after about 10, 15 minutes it will actually start downloading |
| 16:54.51 | sredna | illogic-al: Well, it's not varpoware anymore (at least that specific thingy) |
| 16:54.53 | canllaith | illogic-al, no not for ages now |
| 16:55.10 | illogic-al | that weird |
| 16:55.18 | illogic-al | i got it to update right away |
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| 16:55.29 | canllaith | Yes. It takes so darn long and I have no idea why :S |
| 16:55.38 | illogic-al | nm that |
| 16:55.46 | canllaith | it never used to do that though. |
| 16:57.54 | sredna | Edit the CVS/Root files |
| 16:58.31 | canllaith | because this is just impossible, how it hangs here ages :( |
| 16:58.59 | sredna | What is it? cvs.kde.org? |
| 16:59.04 | canllaith | 13 minutes :( |
| 16:59.20 | sredna | Hm that is unresonable |
| 16:59.29 | canllaith | yes |
| 17:00.48 | canllaith | it never used to take anywhere near this long, which makes me wonder what has changed :S |
| 17:01.14 | lauri | you can't use another mirror canllaith, that's the only one you can commit to :) |
| 17:01.32 | sredna | Hi lauri |
| 17:01.35 | canllaith | lauri, well .... waiting 20 minutes for it to _start_ downloading isn't an option I'm keen on either |
| 17:01.37 | lauri | hi sredna :) |
| 17:01.52 | lauri | how big an amount of stuff are you updating? |
| 17:02.04 | canllaith | kate |
| 17:02.13 | lauri | heh, well yeah, that should be quicker |
| 17:02.44 | lauri | you can update from other mirrors if you specify -d every time, and its got the same local path on the cvs server |
| 17:02.55 | lauri | (I know ours does, for specifically that reason, don't recall if the others do) |
| 17:03.11 | canllaith | mmm ok |
| 17:03.17 | lauri | well, you can update from other mirrors by specifying -d every time anyway, but it won't mess up your checkout |
| 17:03.24 | lauri | if it's got the same path on the far end |
| 17:04.10 | canllaith | 'we' = fruitsalad.org ? |
| 17:04.55 | lauri | yup |
| 17:05.48 | sredna | In this case I just committed the desired update, so mirrors is not an option |
| 17:05.53 | sredna | (likely) |
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| 17:06.18 | lauri | indeed |
| 17:06.44 | lauri | and it fetches immediately here |
| 17:06.47 | canllaith | it is not just this update |
| 17:06.51 | canllaith | It is all of them for the last week. |
| 17:07.03 | canllaith | 20, 30 minutes before it actually downloads anything :S |
| 17:07.16 | lauri | that's very odd |
| 17:07.26 | lauri | (I guess you know that :) |
| 17:07.46 | canllaith | yeah |
| 17:07.50 | Frost^ | can anyone try to verify a bug I'm having? whenever there's a text box in konqueror, when I try to select and the deselect text in the text box, konqueror freezes for a few seconds |
| 17:07.53 | canllaith | it's making keeping up with cvs pretty damn hard |
| 17:07.54 | Frost^ | kde 3.3.2 |
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| 17:08.20 | illogic-al | where do i get kttsd? |
| 17:09.03 | lauri | kdenonbeta |
| 17:09.04 | illogic-al | oh lord |
| 17:09.58 | canllaith | mmm it's taking a strangely long time on dell as well as hal so I guess it's not my pc being scary |
| 17:10.01 | canllaith | at least I hope not |
| 17:11.06 | canllaith | oh no, only 3 minutes on dell before it started downloading something for kdepim |
| 17:11.52 | physos | canllaith: how do you initiate the cvs update? |
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| 17:12.02 | canllaith | cvs up <dirname> |
| 17:12.45 | physos | canllaith: k, I just saw quite some work going on if I only did cvs up without an argument. |
| 17:12.47 | sredna | Is there a difference in behavior to cd <dir>; cvs up maybe? |
| 17:13.16 | sredna | Well, it calculates which files needs to be updated |
| 17:13.18 | canllaith | I have just tried both. |
| 17:13.34 | canllaith | yeah |
| 17:13.59 | canllaith | ah well. I should set a cron to do it while I sleep so I don't have to bother with it. |
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| 17:14.25 | Frost^ | does kde support fullscreen mode? |
| 17:14.29 | sredna | Just write a script that updates kde constantly |
| 17:14.31 | Frost^ | kde as in kwin |
| 17:14.45 | StevenR | Frost^: what do you mean fullscreen mode? |
| 17:14.50 | canllaith | sredna, I cannot do that. Other people use this internet connection, Andrew would be very annoyed. |
| 17:15.04 | canllaith | paid work comes first, and non paid work is a very, very very long way down the line of importance. |
| 17:15.08 | Frost^ | StevenR, well, have you ever seen xfce 4.2? |
| 17:15.43 | Frost^ | basically what it does is simply make an app work fullscreen - no borders or titlebars and spans all across the screen |
| 17:15.58 | physos | Frost^: Yes, kwin can do that. |
| 17:16.12 | illogic-al | wow |
| 17:16.18 | Frost^ | is there a keybinding for doing so? |
| 17:16.32 | sredna | canllaith: As in'while true ; do ; for d in $(ls src/kde) do; cd $d; cvs up; make install; done ; done' |
| 17:16.34 | physos | Frost^: Depends on the application |
| 17:16.52 | physos | Frost^: Since not every application has the same set of keybindings. |
| 17:16.55 | sredna | The standard shortcut is ctrl + shift + f |
| 17:17.07 | physos | sredna: you were faster ;) |
| 17:17.23 | sredna | physos: I didn't have to type the other sentence M;) |
| 17:17.24 | rrohde | what's a good streaming radio app in KDE? |
| 17:17.41 | sredna | rrohde: I use kmplayer |
| 17:17.54 | Frost^ | I see |
| 17:17.55 | Frost^ | thanks |
| 17:18.02 | rrohde | kmplayer? Doesn't ring a bell. That's by default in KDE? |
| 17:18.05 | sredna | rrohde: Because it comes with a collection of bookmarked statinos |
| 17:18.18 | physos | Frost^: You can configure the Window Behaviour in great detail. |
| 17:18.20 | rrohde | is not in my KDE :( |
| 17:18.38 | sredna | rrohde: No, that is an extra. Noatun can play net radios too, that wuld be the default I think |
| 17:18.39 | physos | Frost^: RMB on the titlebar. |
| 17:18.53 | Frost^ | rmb? |
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| 17:18.58 | Frost^ | oh |
| 17:19.02 | Frost^ | right mouse button |
| 17:19.07 | sredna | Rmbc :p |
| 17:19.27 | sredna | Time to get something to eat |
| 17:19.30 | Frost^ | can't find any keybindings there |
| 17:19.38 | Frost^ | maybe in kcontrol, I'll check it out |
| 17:19.42 | rrohde | sredna, I found a tarball.. I hope it compiles ok :) |
| 17:19.58 | rrohde | Are there any KDE native streaming radio apps though? |
| 17:20.54 | nes | hi, i've just compiled digikam 0.7.1 and kipi-plugins-beta1, and digikam do not list any kipi plugins in its settings, my kde installation is from debian, i've just added the handcompiled kde stuff path into KDEDIRS, digikam launches properly, but do not seem to recognize plugins, any suggestion ? |
| 17:21.08 | nes | is there a special var to set for kipi ? KIPI_PLUGINS_PATH ? |
| 17:22.15 | Frost^ | ok, I can't find where to change the keybinding :\ |
| 17:24.02 | Frost^ | oops, got it |
| 17:24.30 | physos | nes: AFAIK, digikam needs the kipi-plugins pkgconfig in the PKG_CONFIG_PATH at compiletime. |
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| 17:25.00 | physos | nes: but there is a warning about that during compile. |
| 17:25.05 | nes | physos, thanks, i'm gonna try it |
| 17:25.09 | physos | s/compile/configure/ |
| 17:25.39 | Skiver | hola |
| 17:27.37 | rrohde | so... is there a native KDE application that runs streaming radio? kmplayer doesn't compile... |
| 17:27.51 | rrohde | Or at least a rpm for kmplayer? |
| 17:28.23 | ponto | rrohde: amarok |
| 17:28.35 | rrohde | really?? It does? Cool! |
| 17:28.36 | ponto | rrohde: or kaffeine |
| 17:28.52 | rrohde | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.35 | rrohde | do you have a radiostation handy for testing? Most of the ones I want want to open a java window... |
| 17:29.37 | ponto | rrohde: as far as i know. |
| 17:29.45 | ponto | rrohde: www.shoutcast.com |
| 17:30.02 | rrohde | ok.. thanks :) |
| 17:30.49 | rrohde | So, how do you get such a stream into kaffeine or amarock? |
| 17:30.54 | rrohde | amarok |
| 17:32.38 | ponto | rrohde: just open the playlist with amarok or xine. you can click on tune in and then select the appropriate app. |
| 17:33.56 | rrohde | ponto, with my firefox, "tune in" opens a blank page.. :( |
| 17:34.15 | ponto | rrohde: use a real browser like konqueror |
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| 17:37.18 | Skiver | ? |
| 17:37.18 | Skiver | u need a plugin for your browser |
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| 17:48.38 | illogic-al | arseness |
| 17:48.53 | illogic-al | why does kate insist on indenting for me now? |
| 17:49.01 | illogic-al | oh srednaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 17:52.35 | sredna | illogic-al: Indenting what? |
| 17:53.00 | illogic-al | a docbook file i'm editing |
| 17:53.17 | aksis | how do i get the file browsing for konqueror to work for a user in freebsd, I have lisa installed and it works for root, but not for normal users? |
| 17:53.35 | sredna | illogic-al: Uhm, because we thought that would be nice, obviously wrong |
| 17:54.11 | sredna | illogic-al: Launch the configuration, go to 'filetypes' select 'Markup/XML', and remove docbook nfrom the extensions |
| 17:54.34 | sredna | illogic-al: Or alternatively, create a filetype expecially for docbbook with the configuration you want |
| 17:54.51 | illogic-al | no it is nice. it just would be nicer to have a way to turn it off for ertain files :-) |
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| 17:55.27 | sredna | illogic-al: You can put 'kate: Indent-mode none;' in the top or bottom 10 lines of files to turn it oss |
| 17:55.29 | sredna | Off |
| 17:55.50 | illogic-al | oh sweet |
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| 17:57.53 | sredna | aksis: Usually, having lisa running is enough |
| 17:57.59 | illogic-al | sredna: do you know if there's any special reason why kde's docbook files aren't indented? |
| 17:58.01 | sredna | aksis: I have it in /etc/init.d |
| 17:58.09 | aksis | yeah, its really weird. |
| 17:58.19 | illogic-al | I'm starting to like this indentation |
| 17:58.19 | sredna | illogic-al: No, and I wonder too. Let's ask lauri |
| 17:58.27 | illogic-al | makes seeing things much clearer |
| 17:58.33 | StevenR | sredna: do you know if there's a spice syntax hightlighter thing for kate? |
| 17:58.35 | aksis | its running, like i said a su file manager is showing the +network |
| 17:58.38 | illogic-al | oh lauri |
| 17:58.57 | illogic-al | is there any special reason why kde's docbook files aren't indented? |
| 17:58.57 | sredna | illogic-al: Especially when I manage to get the hard wrapper working corrct with indented text |
| 17:59.13 | sredna | StevenR: I don't know what spice is |
| 17:59.24 | StevenR | sredna: circuit simulator |
| 17:59.25 | illogic-al | the spice channel? |
| 17:59.30 | sredna | Hum |
| 17:59.37 | StevenR | sredna: does lots of hard maths so I dont need to |
| 17:59.54 | sredna | I saw that someone released a special app for that, with kate embedded |
| 18:00.00 | sredna | Maybe they have some files? |
| 18:00.15 | StevenR | sredna: where did you see this? |
| 18:00.43 | sredna | StevenR: Dot |
| 18:00.52 | StevenR | sredna: like yesterday? |
| 18:00.56 | sredna | http://dot.kde.org/1105351518/ |
| 18:01.00 | sredna | ^ |
| 18:01.21 | sredna | Thank you, akregator |
| 18:01.40 | sequitur | does anyone have experience with openut? |
| 18:01.57 | illogic-al | sequitur: eric? |
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| 18:02.09 | sequitur | huh? |
| 18:02.19 | sequitur | my name is chris.. who is eric? |
| 18:02.21 | illogic-al | nm. wrong guy. heh |
| 18:02.26 | sequitur | lol np\ |
| 18:03.06 | illogic-al | mood music --^ |
| 18:03.13 | sequitur | hehe |
| 18:03.37 | sequitur | buffalo girls |
| 18:03.54 | rrohde | ponto, thanks... Kaffeine plays the stream just fine :) |
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| 18:06.31 | Hauswand | my dcop server can?t call kmail ... what can i do? |
| 18:06.55 | StevenR | sredna: hmmmmm...what format are kate syntax files? what extension? |
| 18:07.06 | sredna | StevenR: XML |
| 18:07.46 | sredna | Hauswand: Start kmail ? |
| 18:08.58 | annma | hi! |
| 18:09.22 | sredna | Wb annma |
| 18:09.23 | StevenR | sredna: what's akregator like? |
| 18:09.31 | annma | thanks sredna |
| 18:10.33 | sredna | StevenR: http://83.73.136.202:8003/akregator.png |
| 18:10.42 | annma | it's good enough to be in a kde module, StevenR |
| 18:10.54 | sredna | Somehow it has gotten into the main distribution... |
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| 18:12.21 | Hauswand | sredna, okay it works ... but can i check my mail without starting kmail? |
| 18:12.41 | sredna | Hauswand: Use korn or kbiff for that |
| 18:13.16 | munzir | Hi sirs! when I compile my .po -> .mo on a system can I just take that .mo files and send them to any one on a nother different system? |
| 18:13.34 | StevenR | sredna: akregator's part of kde? part of 3.3.2? |
| 18:14.09 | annma | munzir: how different? |
| 18:14.28 | sredna | StevenR: I dont' think so, but it's in head |
| 18:14.34 | StevenR | sredna: ok |
| 18:14.50 | munzir | annma: a mandrake 10.1 64-bit to a Mandrake 10 32-bit |
| 18:15.23 | annma | why can't you compile them on the second one? |
| 18:15.30 | annma | where will you put them? |
| 18:15.35 | annma | from where? |
| 18:16.39 | annma | munzir: what do you want to take to put where exactly/ |
| 18:17.17 | munzir | annma: I want to send my translation to a friend so I won't to send him the .mo files and ask him to put them on his /usr/share/locale/ar/... and that's it |
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| 18:18.26 | annma | why don't you send the po and a Makefile.am instead? |
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| 18:20.07 | munzir | annma: because there are many other files that he need to download and compile |
| 18:20.21 | annma | so one more won't make any difference |
| 18:20.28 | annma | is it for a project of you? |
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| 18:20.44 | annma | mdk has i18n files for kde |
| 18:20.50 | annma | already packaged |
| 18:21.13 | munzir | annma: no we we have finished KDE translation to Arabic and I won't to send normal users those translations to test |
| 18:21.31 | annma | send him the source |
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| 18:21.47 | annma | and tell him to compile it, it'll be safer |
| 18:22.30 | annma | you have the .po files, right? |
| 18:22.48 | annma | just tar it with kde-i18n top |
| 18:22.53 | annma | and a Makefile.am |
| 18:23.42 | munzir | annma: yes I have the .po |
| 18:25.19 | munzir | annma: don't I need that kde-common folder too? |
| 18:25.51 | annma | munzir: you have them in your_language/messages/kde_modules subdirs, no? |
| 18:26.06 | annma | does your friend have a recent kde? |
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| 18:26.58 | munzir | annma: yes |
| 18:27.06 | ^JM^ | sudenely the fonts of my system appear smaller and a litle fuzzy, any helpo? |
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| 18:27.39 | PhilRod | ^JM^: did you try changing them in control center->appearance and themes->fonts? |
| 18:27.40 | annma | ^JM^: first suppress those silly ^ from your nick for easiness of answer, thanks |
| 18:28.12 | PhilRod | ^JM^: and the fuzziness is probably due to anti-aliasing being enabled |
| 18:29.16 | ^JM^ | PhilRod: listen i know where can i change kde fonts, but what im saying is that now the same fonts appear smaller and some fuzzy |
| 18:29.48 | ^JM^ | i think was derivated to qt3, ut i reinstaled qt3 official and the problem persists |
| 18:30.20 | ^JM^ | i do not want to change fonts, but fix what was damaged, what caused this |
| 18:30.30 | ^JM^ | and that ur not helping |
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| 18:33.20 | annma | rm .qt |
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| 18:34.36 | McCabe | i try to add a printer in kde, its on a windows box. If i scan the network for printers, it doesent find anything. but if i do smbclient -L hostname, it shows the printer... it doesent seem to work to manually edit the server/printername neither.. |
| 18:34.50 | McCabe | what could be the reason the scan doesent find the printer? |
| 18:35.16 | annma | I see mine attached to my son PC |
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| 18:35.28 | sredna | illogic-al: What are you documenting? |
| 18:35.40 | illogic-al | quanta's menu entries |
| 18:35.53 | illogic-al | can't figure out some of them in the View menu though |
| 18:36.08 | McCabe | illogic-al: which ones? |
| 18:36.18 | illogic-al | Show Scrollbar Marks and Show Static Word Wrap marker to be specific. |
| 18:36.33 | illogic-al | McCabe: long time no see. |
| 18:36.42 | illogic-al | real world got you down ? :-) |
| 18:36.43 | McCabe | illogic-al: yup :) |
| 18:36.43 | sredna | illogic-al: Be sure to check. And FYI I have started a manual for katepart, which could be linked to. In the principle quanta isn't nessecarily using katepart |
| 18:37.05 | McCabe | illogic-al: well, kind of.. too much to do, to little time.. the usual |
| 18:37.13 | illogic-al | yeah |
| 18:37.40 | illogic-al | sredna: nifty. |
| 18:38.04 | Skiver | hi, how do i show "file path" in Konquerer Title Bar |
| 18:38.24 | sredna | illogic-al: I'm going to reuse a lot from the kate/kwrite manuals of cause, but I can't think of a more sane way of getting correct manuals |
| 18:38.37 | illogic-al | sredna: for the menu entries at least you could take a lot of stuff from quanta's cause i think it's more up2date |
| 18:39.05 | sredna | It's embarrassing, but I haven't even quanta installed.. |
| 18:39.17 | sredna | Last time it tried kdevelop if refused to build using unsermake |
| 18:39.27 | sredna | So I havent't that either |
| 18:39.40 | annma | you're too elitist |
| 18:39.56 | Skiver | anyone ? |
| 18:40.16 | sredna | annma: Me? |
| 18:40.21 | annma | you! |
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| 18:40.40 | Bhaal | Anyone in here using Quanta??? |
| 18:40.41 | sredna | annma: I'm stupid, not using modern technology to do things for me :p |
| 18:40.53 | annma | why do you use unsermake/ |
| 18:40.58 | McCabe | illogic-al: i see your point, i cant see any difference when i toggle those menu items :) |
| 18:40.59 | illogic-al | sredna: just get quanta-menus.docbook from kdewebdev/doc/quanta :-) |
| 18:41.09 | annma | Bhaal: me |
| 18:41.11 | sredna | annma: It makes building much faster |
| 18:41.12 | annma | and illogic-al |
| 18:41.28 | Bhaal | annma: Just want to know if its possible to stop it doing all these damn re-loading of files over ftp as I switch between open tabs?? |
| 18:41.44 | illogic-al | sredna: i'm not really using it either, i have quanta open to look at the menus while i document them in kate :-) |
| 18:41.58 | McCabe | Bhaal: yeah |
| 18:42.18 | Bhaal | McCabe: Your help would be very much appreciated! |
| 18:42.28 | bietch | Tcl cannot be found on this system. |
| 18:42.30 | bietch | sighs.. |
| 18:42.36 | bietch | can anyone help me ? |
| 18:42.48 | sredna | illogic-al: Lol.. but I'm actually going to install it soon, to see what it does |
| 18:42.51 | Bhaal | McCabe: it only seems to be happening in the most recent version(s) |
| 18:43.07 | annma | bietch: install it |
| 18:43.35 | McCabe | Bhaal: i never open files over ftp, but are you sure its quanta related and not kio? |
| 18:43.35 | annma | Bhaal: hmm, I don't have taht, do you work on remote files? |
| 18:43.36 | sredna | I'm very interrested in kafka, I would very much like to see that as a kmail composer option for example |
| 18:43.39 | McCabe | anyway, i hve to go.. |
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| 18:43.54 | illogic-al | I use quanta for php+(x)html mostly. it annoys me sometimes when I edit docbook files |
| 18:44.00 | illogic-al | not to mention crash. |
| 18:44.02 | annma | Bhaal: maybe uncheck y=the saving on remote files |
| 18:44.05 | Bhaal | annma: yes, on a regular basis, coz everything is stored on a PC at work... |
| 18:44.08 | bietch | annma: trying now mom |
| 18:44.32 | annma | Bhaal: try uncheck Backup on save on remote files |
| 18:44.37 | Bhaal | annma: Erm, where should I be unchecking that? |
| 18:44.55 | annma | configure editor, save tab |
| 18:45.18 | annma | sredna: what should he do to prevent that? |
| 18:45.31 | sredna | Sorry I have to read |
| 18:46.16 | Bhaal | annma: Its not checked for me ... |
| 18:46.31 | annma | Bhaal: hmm, too bad |
| 18:46.36 | Bhaal | McCabe: And in answer to your question, no, Im not sure :( |
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| 18:46.51 | sredna | annma: I dont know anything about that |
| 18:46.55 | sredna | Sorry :( |
| 18:47.07 | annma | seems like the reload dialog that was in kate |
| 18:47.31 | sredna | annma: Which? |
| 18:47.48 | StevenR | sredna: akregator is very cool :D |
| 18:47.51 | annma | each time there might have been a change |
| 18:48.07 | annma | each tie the file was changed or kate thought it was changed |
| 18:48.08 | sredna | Is that enabled in quanta? |
| 18:48.13 | annma | dunno |
| 18:48.22 | annma | I don't work over ftp so |
| 18:48.51 | sredna | It doesn't work with remote files anyways |
| 18:48.59 | sredna | It only checks local files |
| 18:49.09 | Bhaal | McCabe: Is there any way of controlling how kio? |
| 18:49.09 | annma | ah, ok |
| 18:49.23 | annma | Bhaal: on local files everything is OK? |
| 18:49.33 | sredna | I think quanta has a system of its own, because I have explained to andras a few times how wee do in kate |
| 18:49.57 | annma | oh |
| 18:50.06 | annma | Bhaal: did you look at quanta bugs? |
| 18:51.07 | Bhaal | annma: yeah, its all speedy |
| 18:51.13 | Bhaal | erm |
| 18:51.15 | Bhaal | no |
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| 18:52.00 | sredna | Saving files over the netword may be slow |
| 18:52.16 | sredna | I see that sometimes when owrking over ftp with kate |
| 18:52.42 | bietch | annma: mom! |
| 18:52.49 | solsTiCe | hi. i have not found what it the keyboard shortcut for the search bar in konqueror (and the rul bar) . May i have not well search for ? |
| 18:52.51 | bietch | annma: where can i rpms package for tcl ? |
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| 18:52.54 | annma | :-) |
| 18:53.08 | annma | bietch: your distro sould have them |
| 18:53.11 | illogic-al | arg. |
| 18:53.14 | illogic-al | mah pc were frozen |
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| 18:53.42 | bietch | annma: no..the bash says no TCL found |
| 18:53.55 | annma | what is your distro? |
| 18:54.02 | Bhaal | sredna: It doesnt do it on quanta v3.2.3 with kde v3.3.0 ..... But it does do it with quanta v3.3.1 and kde v3.3.1 |
| 18:54.21 | bietch | annma: fc3 |
| 18:54.40 | annma | bietch: rpm -qa |grep tcl |
| 18:54.46 | annma | paste the result please |
| 18:54.52 | sredna | Bhaal: I think you should see if there is a bug posted for it, and do so otherwise |
| 18:55.14 | Bhaal | sredna: Ummm, never done bug searching... bugs.kde.org? |
| 18:55.20 | sredna | Yes, Bhaal |
| 18:56.18 | bietch | [genetics@owned ~]$ rpm -qa |grep tcl |
| 18:56.19 | bietch | tclx-8.3.5-4 |
| 18:56.19 | bietch | tcl-8.4.7-2 |
| 18:56.27 | sredna | Bhaal: It may be easier to just use the help->report bug menu item, and follow the wizard. It will help you search based on your information on the issue, and let you cancel if there is allready a bug reported |
| 18:57.00 | bietch | *your Tcl version is much too old for Eggdrop to use |
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| 18:57.18 | annma | bietch: you have to update it |
| 18:57.24 | solsTiCe | when i use kdm and quit kde and shutdown my computer I did not see my bootsplash . it works with gdm ! |
| 18:57.40 | bietch | annma: i try find the 8.4.6 |
| 18:57.44 | annma | bietch: fedora should have updated rpms somewhere, no? |
| 18:58.10 | bietch | annma: im not sure..before this im just using yum |
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| 18:58.40 | bietch | annma: i got src-tar.gz for tcl |
| 18:58.58 | annma | bietch: untar and read the README |
| 18:59.13 | bietch | ok |
| 18:59.15 | bietch | i try |
| 18:59.22 | Bhaal | sredna: What about this? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83642 |
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| 19:00.24 | Bhaal | Not that I can find anywhere in control center for ftp proxy settings |
| 19:00.45 | Bhaal | Well I ahve directly connect anyway |
| 19:01.32 | sredna | Then that is not it |
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| 19:03.32 | bietch | annma: i think the tcl update! |
| 19:03.36 | bietch | thanks mom!!! |
| 19:04.23 | sredna | Great, now a kate BR has turned into a emacs configuration dispute.. community projects are fun to watch :p |
| 19:05.01 | ^JM^ | sudenely the fonts of my system appear smaller and a litle fuzzy, any helpo? |
| 19:05.16 | annma | ^JM^: define 'suddenly' |
| 19:05.25 | annma | try a new user abnd report |
| 19:05.30 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 19:06.05 | ^JM^ | i think was derivated to qt3, ut i reinstaled qt3 official and the problem persists |
| 19:06.16 | annma | format your partition and reinstall all is the next option (drastik) |
| 19:06.25 | illogic-al | jm sounds like your DPI changed. did you installed nvidia drivers or modify any X settings? |
| 19:06.27 | annma | rm .qt as I already said |
| 19:06.35 | illogic-al | randr mebbe? |
| 19:06.42 | ^JM^ | illogic-al: no |
| 19:06.43 | annma | and change your nick if you want me to answer, I don't like to shift |
| 19:07.10 | illogic-al | annma: dont shift, just type jm :-) |
| 19:07.23 | annma | yeah but he does not see it |
| 19:07.32 | annma | jm remove your .qt |
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| 19:07.56 | annma | jm please say 'yes' if you read that |
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| 19:08.06 | ^JM^ | remove qt??? |
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| 19:08.13 | illogic-al | ~/.qt |
| 19:08.14 | apt | rumour has it, /.qt is an option, not something that Qt needs to live |
| 19:08.15 | annma | jm please read carefully |
| 19:08.27 | illogic-al | ~leet |
| 19:08.28 | apt | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 19:08.32 | annma | jm please remove . (dot) qt |
| 19:08.34 | ^JM^ | illogic-al: i already did that but doesnt change nothing |
| 19:08.35 | illogic-al | hahahh |
| 19:08.58 | annma | ~fuzzy fonts |
| 19:09.04 | annma | lol |
| 19:09.06 | annma | noooooooo |
| 19:09.43 | annma | so, jm, please explain that 'suddenly' |
| 19:09.54 | sredna | ~suddenly |
| 19:09.55 | sredna | :p |
| 19:09.58 | Bhaal | sredna: think whats happening is its re-uploading the file which I switch FROM ... Which on a slow connection can be very irritating... |
| 19:10.16 | Bhaal | sredna: Even if the file hasnt been touched |
| 19:10.19 | ^JM^ | after i installed a qt3 version i downloaded and reboot, fonts appeared smaller and some fuzzy |
| 19:10.24 | sredna | Bhaal: Is there some weird sort of autosave thingy in quanta? |
| 19:10.52 | Bhaal | sredna: ive checked... there was something, but changing it did nothing Will try again |
| 19:11.12 | illogic-al | jm small and fuzzy or some small and some fuzzy (but normal size) |
| 19:11.17 | sredna | Bhaal: I really can't think of a reason, and I think you should rather talk to some quanta experts -- my expertise is katepart/kate |
| 19:11.21 | sredna | (and general kde) |
| 19:11.30 | termo | hey, now that there are some people here, I might as well re-ask my question :) |
| 19:11.32 | termo | When I type "xpdf -fullscreen <file>" xpdf considers the kpanel not to be part of the screen, |
| 19:11.36 | termo | and it still displays a border with "quit" button. How is this possible? (kde issue, of xpdf issue?) |
| 19:11.44 | illogic-al | Bhaal: wut's ther prob? |
| 19:12.00 | termo | s/of/or/ |
| 19:12.11 | Bhaal | sredna: Only thing even remotely close is under VPL view |
| 19:12.18 | illogic-al | kstart? |
| 19:12.42 | illogic-al | termo: __^ |
| 19:13.05 | sredna | termo: My version of xpdf has no -fullscreen option |
| 19:13.07 | Bhaal | illogic-al: When editing files in quanta over ftp, if I have multiple files open, each time I switch tabs its re-uploading the file I moved away from... Even if it hasnt been modified |
| 19:13.27 | illogic-al | OH. |
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| 19:13.38 | illogic-al | Bhaal: sounds like a bug. |
| 19:13.45 | termo | sredna: hmm, old version? |
| 19:13.49 | sredna | termo: Try kstart --fullscreen xpdf <file> |
| 19:14.27 | illogic-al | Bhaal: how recent is you version of quanta? |
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| 19:15.11 | sredna | Oh, but there is is, it was just hiding |
| 19:15.16 | Bhaal | illogic-al: Quanta: 3.3.1 |
| 19:15.22 | termo | sredna: hey, nice, kstart --fullscreen xpdf -fullscreen, seems almost to do the trick |
| 19:15.45 | termo | but it still displays the window border/quit-button, which it shouldn't |
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| 19:15.55 | illogic-al | Bhaal: 3.3.2 had a lot of bugfixes. maybe updating to that version would fix your problem |
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| 19:15.58 | Flendor | Hello! |
| 19:16.22 | illogic-al | afaik though there is no option that should cause re-upload of a file whenever you switch tabs |
| 19:16.30 | Bhaal | illogic-al: I just did a dist-upgrade last night, is quanta still a standalone package? Or part of a kde dist package? |
| 19:16.37 | sredna | termo: For the record: Kde makes the desktop report the maximize area so that it leaves space for kicker, so imo xpdf uses a bad query to X for the available space |
| 19:16.56 | illogic-al | Bhaal: it's a part of kdewebdev now |
| 19:16.56 | sredna | termo: And a comment: Did you try the new kpdf? It has a excellent presentation mode |
| 19:17.01 | Bhaal | right |
| 19:17.19 | termo | no, I guess I have the old version installed |
| 19:17.45 | termo | sredna: I might take a look :) thanks |
| 19:17.52 | sredna | termo: It'll be in kde 3.4, and it is very cool |
| 19:18.08 | Bhaal | illogic-al: Bugger, that didnt appear to have an update :( |
| 19:18.14 | Bhaal | illogic-al: not for debian anyway |
| 19:18.36 | Bhaal | illogic-al: know if there is a deb package I could download? |
| 19:21.57 | Bhaal | Hrm, seems not to be, bugger |
| 19:24.57 | illogic-al | Bhaal: sorry. no clue |
| 19:26.03 | Bhaal | Damn, why does apt-get wanna remove kde when I ask it to remove kdewebdev??? |
| 19:26.06 | Bhaal | how rude! |
| 19:27.19 | sredna | A working package manager is yet to be seen :\ |
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| 19:28.05 | Bhaal | hehe |
| 19:29.13 | Bhaal | Well I guess I should let it do this damn upgrade... |
| 19:29.20 | Bhaal | then see if it will let me remove things... |
| 19:29.27 | Bhaal | dependancies might change... |
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| 19:30.22 | illogic-al | bah. that's enough docbook for one day. |
| 19:31.08 | sredna | Lol |
| 19:31.37 | illogic-al | Get a life? |
| 19:31.49 | Flendor | Get a.. what? |
| 19:32.13 | illogic-al | exactly. |
| 19:32.28 | Flendor | I sometimes hear people talk about a "real life", whatever it might be. |
| 19:32.34 | Flendor | I'm sure it must be VERY boring. |
| 19:32.50 | illogic-al | it's a mythical place which exists outside of the internet. |
| 19:33.00 | Flendor | Outside of the internet?? |
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| 19:33.07 | illogic-al | many have spent their whole lives looking for it. |
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| 19:33.28 | Flendor | I think it's as true as the castle above the clouds..Or even afterlife :P |
| 19:33.49 | Bhaal | illogic-al: I did see a t-shirt once which read: Reality is caused by a lack of drugs |
| 19:33.53 | annma | how can one love outside the internet? |
| 19:33.58 | annma | live |
| 19:34.02 | annma | whatever |
| 19:34.13 | Bhaal | illogic-al: it could be re-worded for the geeks: Reality is caused by a lack of internet |
| 19:34.15 | annma | (damned freudian typo) |
| 19:34.16 | Flendor | annma - I think it's like the Matrix.. |
| 19:34.17 | illogic-al | how can one live OR love outside the internet |
| 19:34.27 | illogic-al | 'tis impossible! |
| 19:34.54 | Flendor | I've even heard of guys who got "girlfriend"s..LOL, imagine :)) |
| 19:35.15 | annma | or girls who get bf |
| 19:35.30 | annma | or worse, husbands |
| 19:35.37 | Flendor | You don't believe girls exist, do you?? ( ;) ) |
| 19:35.40 | Bhaal | Flendor: Over-rated hehe .. I dumped mine in Nov.. Now having a casual relationship with a close friend of mine... |
| 19:35.46 | Flendor | They're like, the tooth-fairy! |
| 19:35.49 | annma | lol |
| 19:36.19 | Flendor | Bhaal - Seriously, if I get a girlfriend then I will have lost all my ties to nerddom..I think I will kinda miss it :/ |
| 19:36.29 | Bhaal | Hahahaha |
| 19:36.38 | Bhaal | Flendor: a balance is always good |
| 19:37.11 | Flendor | OK, then I think I'd better dump my real-life job and get a GF..Then I'll still be a Half-Nerd character :) |
| 19:37.12 | sredna | Hooray |
| 19:37.21 | Flendor | YAY, what happened sreadna? |
| 19:37.23 | Bhaal | Hahahaha |
| 19:37.27 | Flendor | Duh, sorry sredna.. |
| 19:37.31 | sredna | Lol |
| 19:37.40 | sredna | I type faster than you |
| 19:38.01 | Flendor | Yeah, I type embarassingly slowly for a geek :/ |
| 19:38.16 | Bhaal | I type faster without a smoke in my hand |
| 19:38.34 | Flendor | I sometimes go into "burst" mode, where I can type like, 10 characters very rapidly..But then I ALWAYS make a mistake |
| 19:38.45 | Bhaal | haha |
| 19:38.50 | Flendor | Backspace is probably the most used key after space and enter on my Keyboard :) |
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| 19:39.15 | Flendor | By the way..I'm using a MS keyboard, and Ctrl, Alt and Del are VERY large :D |
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| 19:39.36 | Bhaal | flendor: Im with ya on that one man |
| 19:39.40 | bietch | alert alert , Flendor was here! |
| 19:39.47 | sredna | Lol |
| 19:39.55 | Flendor | HEhe, hello bietch :) How's it going? |
| 19:40.03 | bietch | helo Flendor :p |
| 19:40.08 | Bhaal | Dang was that the kopete developer just leaving??? |
| 19:40.18 | bietch | Flendor: nothing much..i just compile the eggdrop on my linux |
| 19:40.40 | Flendor | Is it still compiling, or is it finished? |
| 19:40.53 | sarah03 | Hmm. Juk 3.4 doesn't want to build with --enable-final. |
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| 19:41.01 | bietch | Flendor: hmm..my friend write the .conf for me..i dont know how to write eggdrop.conf |
| 19:41.08 | Flendor | Oh. |
| 19:41.47 | Bhaal | They are ex-friends coz you know more then them now? |
| 19:41.48 | Bhaal | haha |
| 19:42.13 | Flendor | Nope, they're ex-friends because I had serious "disagreements" with them :) |
| 19:42.20 | Bhaal | hehe |
| 19:42.36 | bietch | linux is more better than my x-bf! |
| 19:42.36 | bietch | haha |
| 19:43.02 | Flendor | One of them got what they call a "gf", and a beautiful one..SO, it caused a logic error for me, and I overheated :) |
| 19:43.21 | Flendor | After the steam cleared, I was alone :) |
| 19:43.34 | Flendor | bietch - Hehe.. |
| 19:43.35 | bietch | Flendor: dont worry..you are not alone ;) |
| 19:43.37 | Bhaal | hehehe |
| 19:43.43 | Flendor | Hey, thanks := |
| 19:43.46 | Flendor | :) |
| 19:44.24 | sysshock | Hi! Why is that, when I wish to take a peek at a text file > 200 MB either with KEdit, KWrite or Krusader's viewer, they all end up consuming all memory, then they finally crash??? |
| 19:44.30 | Bhaal | I did find the perfect geekgrrl for me, but she is 6000km away from me darn it, and already has a bf |
| 19:44.50 | Flendor | That's not good Bhaal :) |
| 19:44.53 | sysshock | Are they so stupid to read the entire file to memory and parse it???? |
| 19:45.03 | Flendor | Also, #kde has a LOT of nice geek girls :) |
| 19:45.10 | Bhaal | hehehe |
| 19:45.23 | bietch | hehe |
| 19:45.41 | Bhaal | Yeah, bet none of them live in .au :) |
| 19:45.43 | Flendor | sysshock- Sorry, I never opened such large documents in KEdit or KWrite.. :/ |
| 19:45.58 | sysshock | Just open up .xsession-errors :) |
| 19:46.13 | sysshock | after a long run |
| 19:46.26 | Bhaal | hehe |
| 19:46.37 | sysshock | On one of my machines, it was 4 GB after a month of X and KDE running |
| 19:46.47 | Bhaal | Ouch! |
| 19:46.58 | Flendor | What he said.. |
| 19:47.12 | sysshock | But that was with kde 3.2.3 |
| 19:47.51 | sysshock | Because there was some problem with it, and all program emitted a whole slew of error messages regarding icons... |
| 19:48.23 | sysshock | Anyway, .xsession-errors is now 300 MB for me, and I cannot view it at all with any KDE program. |
| 19:48.25 | Bhaal | Eh, 50mb in 5 days... |
| 19:48.28 | Bhaal | Not so bad... |
| 19:48.35 | sysshock | See... |
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| 19:49.11 | sysshock | So, as desktop technology evolves, the programs are getting more and more stupid??? |
| 19:49.17 | sredna | I think ~/.xsession-errors is still growing untill it has all available space, unless you restart kde once in a while |
| 19:49.30 | Bhaal | How do you convince a girl to leave her bf and fly 6000km to the other side of the country to live with you? |
| 19:49.32 | Bhaal | hehe |
| 19:49.34 | sysshock | But the point is, KDE cannot cope with large text files. |
| 19:49.40 | sysshock | This is a shame. |
| 19:50.16 | Bhaal | sysshock: As soon as I finish doing this dist-upgrade I will give it a shot... |
| 19:50.27 | Bhaal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.27 | Flendor | Bhaal - Don't ask me..All I know about girls is that they live in fairyland :P |
| 19:50.31 | Bhaal | No cpu available... |
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| 19:50.40 | Bhaal | Flendor: hahahahahha |
| 19:50.50 | Flendor | Hmm...Should I play DooM or go to sleep.. |
| 19:50.50 | sredna | sysshock: And opening a big file with kwrite works fine here, allthoug I dont' have one at several 100M |
| 19:50.51 | sysshock | Bhall: you mean, are you a dev? |
| 19:50.52 | sequitur | sysshock huh? my kde is fine. what prog are you using? |
| 19:50.55 | Flendor | I think I'll sleep. |
| 19:50.59 | Flendor | Good night everyone. |
| 19:51.02 | Flendor | See you, bietch. |
| 19:51.14 | sysshock | KWrite, KEdit, Krusader's viewer |
| 19:51.26 | sysshock | All cannot cope with it |
| 19:51.26 | Bhaal | sysshock: nope, not at all.. But I can test your theory for you |
| 19:51.34 | sysshock | Thanks |
| 19:51.38 | sequitur | integrating the viewing in konq, or seperate? |
| 19:51.48 | livingtm | anyone know what this means: "kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 4 8x48/stock/net not valid."? |
| 19:51.48 | StevenR | sredna: are you a kate dev? |
| 19:51.51 | sequitur | bhaal lol |
| 19:51.54 | sredna | StevenR: Yes |
| 19:51.56 | sysshock | I guess it uses the standard text control of KDE |
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| 19:52.16 | sredna | ... which is katepart |
| 19:52.21 | sysshock | HAHA, that is what made my .xsession-errors 4 GB :)))) |
| 19:52.24 | StevenR | livingtm: it means there's a typo in the index.desktop file for that iconset |
| 19:52.34 | Bhaal | sequitur: Did I make a funny? |
| 19:52.40 | sequitur | yep |
| 19:52.41 | Bhaal | :) |
| 19:52.44 | Bhaal | where? |
| 19:52.53 | livingtm | StevenR: what can I do to fix it? |
| 19:52.58 | Gumby | does anyone here know if kmail will have the ability to have rules filter mail into imap dirs? (or does it do it already and I am just missing something) |
| 19:53.00 | StevenR | livingtm: correct the typo? |
| 19:53.07 | sysshock | So, whatever it is, katepart or not, it crashs. |
| 19:53.33 | livingtm | StevenR: oookay... where is index.desktop? |
| 19:53.34 | sysshock | After eating all available memory :) |
| 19:53.46 | sarah03 | sysshock: How much memory do you have? |
| 19:53.53 | sysshock | 512 |
| 19:53.57 | StevenR | livingtm: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ ...the error message gives you all the clues :) |
| 19:54.08 | Bhaal | sysshock: Hrm, all available memory, now that could be an issue... hehe 512mb here and its already all used... |
| 19:54.27 | Bhaal | Im sure linux can find some somwehere |
| 19:54.31 | livingtm | StevenR: im not familiar with how the icons work.. didnt understand the message. |
| 19:54.35 | sysshock | Most of it is used by the kernel, as cache |
| 19:54.46 | sarah03 | That would be why. KWrite just ate up 520M opening a 240M text file. |
| 19:55.11 | Bhaal | sysshock: erm, yes/no .. about 50% used... |
| 19:55.12 | sysshock | That's it. In my opinion: for viewing files, ANY SIZE, 64 MB should be MORE than enough! |
| 19:55.28 | Bhaal | sysshock: 50% cache/buffer |
| 19:55.48 | sysshock | Just load that part, which is currently displayed, wouldn't that make a difference? |
| 19:55.54 | livingtm | StevenR: that file does not exist in /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 19:56.07 | Bhaal | But Im running dual head here... And alot of terminal windows and applications, photoshop etc... |
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| 19:56.58 | Bhaal | damn fatboy slim |
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| 19:57.10 | StevenR | livingtm: what iconset are you using? |
| 19:57.30 | sysshock | I just say, that all KDE is shiny, good design and all, but very basic things are still not efficiently implemented. With midnight commander, the viewer pops up for that 300 MB file in 0.001 seconds or so. |
| 19:57.37 | Bhaal | Im determined to get Mr Norman Cook to come visit me at my house one day... |
| 19:57.40 | livingtm | StevenR: no clue |
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| 19:57.54 | StevenR | livingtm: look in kcontrol --> appearence --> icons |
| 19:58.02 | sysshock | Should I make a report at #kde-devel? |
| 19:58.20 | livingtm | StevenR: im remoted into the machine |
| 19:58.32 | Bhaal | sysshock: Wait till I finish my dist-upgrade and I ave a go |
| 19:58.40 | StevenR | livingtm: so? |
| 19:58.50 | sysshock | And when will that be? |
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| 19:59.52 | bietch | erk! |
| 19:59.55 | Bhaal | They call me bruce! |
| 20:00.15 | bietch | yucks..licking me is not good..im salty! |
| 20:00.15 | Bhaal | Ooooer... kinky |
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| 20:00.58 | livingtm | StevenR: Crystal SVG beta1 |
| 20:01.09 | Bhaal | bietch: Sorry Im tired and wired... So sarcasm is the flavor of the moment :) |
| 20:01.37 | StevenR | livingtm: hmm...check the index.desktop file for that set too then |
| 20:01.45 | McCabe | Bhaal: ok, im back, but unfortunately, i dont have any knowledge about that |
| 20:01.51 | bietch | Bhaal: nah..its okey dude |
| 20:01.52 | bietch | :) |
| 20:03.10 | Bhaal | McCabe: Eh, Im doing an dist-upgrade, and then gonna try and blow kdewebdev package away hopefully I can convince it to leave peacefully without trying to take kde with it... And then compile latest source release of quanta |
| 20:03.14 | livingtm | StevenR: i found index.theme but no index.desktop |
| 20:03.33 | McCabe | Bhaal: ok.. shouldnt be a problem to remove kdewebdev package.. |
| 20:03.37 | StevenR | livingtm: look in that then |
| 20:03.48 | McCabe | Bhaal: you could also install your own copy alongside the apt one |
| 20:03.56 | Bhaal | McCabe: Ohhh apt-get wanted to remove kde aswell hehe |
| 20:04.10 | livingtm | StevenR: okay, what am i looking for in there? |
| 20:04.18 | McCabe | what? kde cant possible have kdewebdev as dependency... |
| 20:04.19 | McCabe | ? |
| 20:04.29 | livingtm | q! |
| 20:04.39 | StevenR | livingtm: the typo, as show in the error message 4 8x48 should bve 48x48 |
| 20:05.02 | Bhaal | McCabe: Thats almost word for word with my thoughts on the matter hehe |
| 20:05.56 | Bhaal | Anyone know of problems with current version of kopete, and the display pic not always coming up? |
| 20:06.47 | sredna | Display pic? |
| 20:06.52 | Bhaal | McCabe: look: |
| 20:06.55 | Bhaal | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:06.55 | Bhaal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.10 | Bhaal | apt-get remove kdewebdev |
| 20:07.13 | Bhaal | is the command I used |
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| 20:08.06 | McCabe | Bhaal: ok.. kde actualy has kdewebdev listed |
| 20:08.16 | Bhaal | Yeah, claws and all man |
| 20:08.17 | livingtm | StevenR: the directory is "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/stock/text" and it DOES exist.. |
| 20:08.50 | Bhaal | McCabe: any idea why? |
| 20:09.00 | Bhaal | Oh, sysshock |
| 20:09.08 | McCabe | Bhaal: no, but debian seems to have quanta listed as a package.. |
| 20:09.14 | StevenR | livingtm: but there is a typo in the config file, not the directory structure. |
| 20:09.34 | livingtm | i think that space was the line wrap |
| 20:09.40 | Bhaal | McCabe: yeah, noticed that too |
| 20:09.48 | StevenR | livingtm: "4 8x48/stock/net" != "48x48/stock/text" |
| 20:09.57 | McCabe | Bhaal: oh, actualluy.. maybe it's because kde is a meta package.. |
| 20:10.03 | livingtm | theres a directories= section.. it doesnt seem to contain the directory the error reports |
| 20:10.11 | McCabe | Bhaal: it's probably safe to remove 'kde'.. |
| 20:10.14 | Bhaal | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 20:10.15 | Bhaal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.16 | livingtm | i think that space was due to the line wrap though |
| 20:10.16 | Bhaal | hehehe |
| 20:10.34 | StevenR | livingtm: well some config file does, or it wouldn't be reported |
| 20:10.53 | McCabe | Bhaal: perhaps you should check with #debian, but im pretty sure thats how it is.. 'kde' as a package is just there to easily install entire kde.. so it depends on all components.. |
| 20:11.20 | McCabe | Bhaal: but if you dont want one component, the meta package till go away too.. but the other individual components will remain.. |
| 20:11.33 | Bhaal | McCabe: yeah, just hope it does destroy updating ... like for new packages which become attached to the meta package |
| 20:11.49 | Bhaal | s/does/doesnt |
| 20:11.50 | McCabe | Bhaal: well, thats a different story.. |
| 20:12.22 | StevenR | livingtm: you can use grep to find out which |
| 20:12.36 | Bhaal | sysshock: okey, 50mb loaded fine... next? |
| 20:13.15 | Bhaal | bietch: lick sysshock for me |
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| 20:14.27 | sysshock | Try with 300 MB |
| 20:15.13 | Bhaal | dont have |
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| 20:15.34 | livingtm | StevenR: ho do I do that? |
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| 20:16.18 | Borg^Queen | Hey any life about today? |
| 20:16.23 | StevenR | livingtm: cd /usr/share/icons && grep -r "48x48/stock/net" * |
| 20:16.24 | sredna | No |
| 20:16.33 | Bhaal | brb |
| 20:16.36 | Borg^Queen | Hmm |
| 20:17.31 | livingtm | StevenR: wow that dumps a whole load of junk t the screen.. it means nothing to me. |
| 20:17.42 | bietch | im tired with hotmail |
| 20:17.43 | bietch | damn |
| 20:17.47 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 20:18.03 | StevenR | livingtm: can you paste the output to a pastebin? |
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| 20:18.30 | livingtm | StevenR: its pages upon pages of junk |
| 20:18.39 | StevenR | livingtm: paste one line here |
| 20:18.41 | Borg^Queen | bietch: tired of hotmail, "welcome to the real world" |
| 20:18.44 | StevenR | livingtm: just one |
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| 20:20.25 | livingtm | StevenR: ,48x48/stock/document,48x48/stock/form,48x48/stock/generic,48x48/stock/image,48x |
| 20:20.48 | Bhaal | oh FFS! Now Im getting the whole cannot open file: /tmp/kde-bhaal/fdefejwewfew blah blah |
| 20:20.50 | Bhaal | error |
| 20:20.51 | Bhaal | *sigh* |
| 20:20.59 | bietch | Borg^Queen: 1 hour waiting for mail...i not received it yet.. |
| 20:21.02 | bietch | this is crap! |
| 20:21.18 | Borg^Queen | bietch: yep |
| 20:21.23 | StevenR | livingtm: yes, grep is telling you which files it's finding that in. look at the start of the lines, it should tell you the filename |
| 20:21.38 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: delete that dir and try again |
| 20:21.53 | Borg^Queen | Oh well |
| 20:22.23 | Borg^Queen | bietch: hotmail is spammer heaven, so it takes thousands of years to get your mail. |
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| 20:22.50 | bietch | sighs |
| 20:23.19 | bietch | ah thanks.. |
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| 20:23.53 | Borg^Queen | :D |
| 20:24.02 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: fixed it? |
| 20:24.04 | Bhaal | Why is quanta giving me these 'cant open file' errors? |
| 20:24.06 | Bhaal | no :( |
| 20:24.23 | Bhaal | I restarted X, rm'd the dir, and still no go... |
| 20:24.28 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: delete the tmp dir and try again |
| 20:24.32 | Borg^Queen | Oooh |
| 20:24.42 | Borg^Queen | maybe the rc file? |
| 20:24.44 | Bhaal | The file is there, I own it... |
| 20:24.55 | Bhaal | I own the directory |
| 20:25.13 | Borg^Queen | rename the rc file to .old and try again? |
| 20:25.17 | Bhaal | Quanta was doing this once before... |
| 20:25.27 | livingtm | StevenR: okay, so i have some filenames now.. and i definitly see that test in the file.. and i definitely see that it is typed correctly in the file.. and i definitly see that the directory exists in my filestructer.. |
| 20:25.35 | Bhaal | quanta's rc file or kde's? |
| 20:26.02 | Borg^Queen | quanta's |
| 20:26.06 | Bhaal | ok. |
| 20:26.13 | livingtm | StevenR: no spaces.. its correct in the files. |
| 20:27.07 | StevenR | livingtm: does the dir exist? |
| 20:27.21 | livingtm | StevenR: yep |
| 20:27.25 | StevenR | livingtm: which dir? |
| 20:27.59 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: No change |
| 20:28.34 | livingtm | StevenR: usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/stock/text for example |
| 20:28.56 | StevenR | livingtm: but that's not the dir you mentioned in your error message |
| 20:29.05 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: hmm |
| 20:29.09 | livingtm | its ONE of the HUNDREDS of errors i get everytime i open a window |
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| 20:29.21 | livingtm | a K-application window |
| 20:29.33 | StevenR | livingtm: well you didn't say that, did you. |
| 20:29.42 | Bhaal | borg: I had this problem a while ago... finally 3.3.1 came through and it went away, and then I had other issues that I explained here an hour or so ago, Ive delt with those till now, connection is capped, so they got annoying, but now it is just refusing to play ball... |
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| 20:29.59 | livingtm | hehe.. sorry, im getting hundreds of errors like that. its like i dont have icons installed at all or something |
| 20:30.03 | StevenR | livingtm: so find out what the exact error message is, and paste one of the lines correctly here. |
| 20:31.12 | livingtm | StevenR: "kdecore (KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text not valid." This is the last one in a list of hundreds. |
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| 20:31.51 | StevenR | livingtm: so does /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text exist? |
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| 20:32.05 | livingtm | StevenR: the directory DOES exist, although it looks like its empty |
| 20:32.18 | StevenR | livingtm: note the or/ group 48x48/s bit |
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| 20:32.46 | livingtm | Steven: what does group mean |
| 20:33.48 | StevenR | livingtm: does that line appear in one of the files? |
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| 20:34.00 | StevenR | again use grep, dont forget the "" |
| 20:34.19 | lippel | livingtm: i had the same problem once, i read somewhere something like "ignore the messages, use kdebugdialog --fullmode if they annoy you" |
| 20:34.29 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: Its opening remote files normally, but its having problems with the project files... |
| 20:34.30 | livingtm | StevenR: what is in the files is "directory=" and comma separated list of all these directorys |
| 20:34.41 | livingtm | cd .. |
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| 20:35.03 | StevenR | livingtm: eh? |
| 20:35.06 | lippel | livingtm: kdebugdialog to turn it off that is |
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| 20:35.28 | StevenR | lippel: but that wont fix the problem |
| 20:35.41 | livingtm | StevenR: i want to fix is defnitely.. |
| 20:35.50 | StevenR | eh? |
| 20:35.56 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: local projects? |
| 20:36.04 | DragonSpirit | I hope this is not a silly question I just missed that answer to while I looked but I was curious as to how I could make it so that when kde loads it doesn't load that diplay settings tackbar icon every time? |
| 20:36.05 | Borg^Queen | What? |
| 20:36.51 | DragonSpirit | I tried the option to only load the session I save and saved the session without it loaded as I quit it before I saved |
| 20:36.55 | livingtm | StevenR: there is a long long line in index.theme that reads "directories=192x192/apps,128x128/actions......" |
| 20:37.20 | StevenR | livingtm: yes, and? |
| 20:37.26 | livingtm | StevenR: but the 48x48/stock/text is not in that line |
| 20:37.41 | StevenR | livingtm: which file is this? |
| 20:37.41 | DragonSpirit | and I also tried loading the session as it was when I exited it, and had quit that thing before I exited kde too |
| 20:37.41 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: Local projects are fine |
| 20:37.42 | livingtm | StevenR: and that is the ONLY place in that file that looks anything like the path mentioned in the fle |
| 20:37.48 | DragonSpirit | but it still loads |
| 20:37.48 | livingtm | StevenR: index.theme |
| 20:37.57 | StevenR | livingtm: which index.theme? |
| 20:38.01 | pusling | where do I tell kmail not to send using quoted-printables and instead send using 8bit ? (kmail 3.3 |
| 20:38.06 | livingtm | StevenR: hicolor/index.theme |
| 20:39.01 | StevenR | livingtm: did you grep for the string i told you to grep for? |
| 20:39.33 | livingtm | no |
| 20:39.45 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: I will try a restarting again, this time making sure all kio's and slaves etc are dead... |
| 20:39.54 | livingtm | StevenR: No i didnt.. im all over the place.. confused as hell |
| 20:40.06 | StevenR | livingtm: well please do so, from the /usr/share/icons dir. |
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| 20:40.41 | livingtm | StevenR: what am i greppig for again/ |
| 20:41.12 | StevenR | livingtm: or/ group 48x48/s |
| 20:41.14 | DragonSpirit | or if anyone doesn't happen to know exactly how to do this, does anyone know were there potentially could be some documentation on how to correct this to how I might like it... for example, not loading the display icon in the taskbar at all |
| 20:41.17 | StevenR | use "" |
| 20:41.23 | StevenR | livingtm: use "" |
| 20:41.59 | Skiver | anyone here knows how do i make Konsole to store more lines for me to scroll ? say, 20000 lines |
| 20:42.04 | Borg^Queen | DragonSpirit: what do you mean by display icon? |
| 20:42.13 | livingtm | StevenR: ""text""? |
| 20:42.24 | DragonSpirit | little moniter thing with two arrows in it |
| 20:42.31 | DragonSpirit | lets me set different resolutions |
| 20:42.42 | StevenR | livingtm: "the string to search for" |
| 20:42.43 | DragonSpirit | only started seeing it once I upgraded to 3.3.2 |
| 20:42.49 | livingtm | StevenR: "cd /usr/share/icons && grep -r "or / group 48x48/s" * returned nothing. |
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| 20:43.16 | sredna | DragonSpirit: Rightclick it and press 'click' |
| 20:43.18 | sredna | Quit |
| 20:43.20 | DragonSpirit | the icon may look different though, considering the different icon themes there are |
| 20:43.22 | Borg^Queen | Oooh ok the display resolution icon |
| 20:43.28 | StevenR | livingtm: try cd /usr/share/icons && grep -r "48x48/stock" * |
| 20:43.39 | DragonSpirit | sredna, I did, that makes it go away yes, but ever time I log in it comes back |
| 20:43.59 | sredna | Hm, I havent' got it |
| 20:44.16 | Borg^Queen | Check it's perferrences |
| 20:44.16 | Borg^Queen | Maybe it's like kalarm |
| 20:44.38 | livingtm | StevenR: wow tons of stuff... its all those "Directories=" lines |
| 20:44.38 | DragonSpirit | yea, I tried looking in the preferences, no option not to load it on kde's start |
| 20:45.13 | StevenR | livingtm: refine the search to the ones in your error messages |
| 20:45.15 | Borg^Queen | check your autostart dir, see if it's in there |
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| 20:45.47 | Bhaal | Hrm, okey, that didnt work either... |
| 20:45.48 | DragonSpirit | ok I will, wonder why it only started showing up since I upgraded kde, oh well but thanks, I will see if it is there |
| 20:46.50 | livingtm | StevenR: The directories its bitching about are there, but they are empty.. am i missing the icon files or something? |
| 20:46.50 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: Any other ideas? |
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| 20:47.21 | Borg^Queen | Nope. If it's a worse case senario, I'd empty the empty the entire content of the /tmp/ dir and reboot |
| 20:47.25 | StevenR | livingtm: grep for "group" |
| 20:47.34 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: I just did that hehe |
| 20:47.35 | rrohde | kaffeine complains when trying to open a certain radio stream that it cannot open MRL... any idea what that means?? |
| 20:47.51 | Borg^Queen | Bhaal: crap |
| 20:47.56 | livingtm | no finds for group |
| 20:47.58 | DragonSpirit | autostart dir is empty |
| 20:48.02 | livingtm | StevenR: no hits on grop |
| 20:48.04 | livingtm | group |
| 20:48.13 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: Its loading the file into /tmp and then seems to be unable to load it again... |
| 20:48.13 | Borg^Queen | damn |
| 20:48.41 | Borg^Queen | check perms again |
| 20:50.01 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: All perms are fine... |
| 20:51.35 | StevenR | livingtm: backup the files containing the empty directory references and then edit them so they dont refer to the empty dirs. |
| 20:51.55 | livingtm | StevenR: Am i mjust missing files? |
| 20:52.14 | StevenR | livingtm: could simply be badly written index files |
| 20:52.20 | bietch | im start crazy..yay |
| 20:52.51 | Borg^Queen | bietch: ? |
| 20:52.52 | livingtm | StevenR: can i reinstall the icons? |
| 20:53.11 | livingtm | su |
| 20:53.21 | StevenR | livingtm: if you wish, I dont know if they shoudl be there or not. |
| 20:53.36 | livingtm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.41 | StevenR | livingtm: query your package system to find out if there should be anythign there |
| 20:53.56 | bietch | Borg^Queen: this crap eggdrop.conf need my-ip , and my ip is dynamic..everytime i restart my machine..i will edit it first before i run it! |
| 20:54.01 | bietch | sighs..stupid conf! |
| 20:54.14 | Skiver | anyone knows how to store more LINES in Konsole ?? |
| 20:54.21 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 20:54.31 | Borg^Queen | Nope |
| 20:54.34 | StevenR | Skiver: setting --> history |
| 20:54.35 | DragonSpirit | well thanks for trying to point me in the right direction, I do appreciate it, it wasn't what made it load but I shall keep looking when I get the chance, as for now I have to run to the store, but thanks again |
| 20:54.58 | StevenR | livingtm: how you actually query your package manager or reinstall depends on your distro |
| 20:55.03 | Borg^Queen | DragonSpirit: |
| 20:55.08 | livingtm | StevenR: is there a particulare package that contains the default icons/ |
| 20:55.16 | DragonSpirit | yes? |
| 20:55.17 | Borg^Queen | Are you sure there isn't a setting? |
| 20:55.26 | Borg^Queen | Are you sure there isn't a setting? |
| 20:55.28 | livingtm | StevenR: Im using Debian |
| 20:55.30 | Skiver | StevenR : thank you ! |
| 20:55.36 | Borg^Queen | Wait is this fedora? |
| 20:55.37 | StevenR | livingtm: again, depends on your distro. |
| 20:55.40 | DragonSpirit | I am sure, I looked in it's own configuration screen |
| 20:55.45 | StevenR | livingtm: i'vwe never used debian sorry |
| 20:55.50 | DragonSpirit | I looked in the session management thing too |
| 20:56.16 | DragonSpirit | were you can set things like kalarm and such to start |
| 20:56.21 | Borg^Queen | strange |
| 20:56.28 | Borg^Queen | google for it, maybe it's a bug? |
| 20:56.46 | Borg^Queen | kalarms has it in it's perfs |
| 20:56.57 | DragonSpirit | possibly, would be nice if every tool that had a taskbar icon had the option not to load on start, most do |
| 20:57.32 | Borg^Queen | display has to have one |
| 20:57.52 | StevenR | livingtm: i cant help you with your package management. I use slackware which has its own package management system. |
| 20:58.23 | livingtm | StevenR: Thanks for your help, ill go look through my package manager |
| 20:58.37 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: Quanta is leaving .part files ... thats odd right? |
| 20:58.41 | StevenR | livingtm: np. If they aren't supposed to exist, then edit the files |
| 20:58.50 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: in the /tmp/kde-bhaal directory |
| 20:58.54 | Borg^Queen | I don't know |
| 20:59.03 | livingtm | StevenR: oaky, will do |
| 20:59.06 | Borg^Queen | Is it trying to download something? |
| 20:59.09 | DragonSpirit | wonder if it is something distro specific, i asked yesterday in the distros channel but no one knew anything at that time |
| 20:59.13 | Borg^Queen | A large webpage? |
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| 20:59.26 | DragonSpirit | oh well, I will figure it out eventually, thanks, but I have to go now |
| 20:59.29 | Borg^Queen | DragonSpirit: is this fedora? |
| 20:59.33 | DragonSpirit | mandrake |
| 20:59.42 | Borg^Queen | oh |
| 20:59.44 | code_ | n8 |
| 21:03.28 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: no, just the project file |
| 21:03.46 | Borg^Queen | one on your hardrive? |
| 21:04.11 | Bhaal | Nope, Im trying to open a project file, remotely via ftp |
| 21:04.12 | Borg^Queen | create a new file and then try to open that one. |
| 21:04.37 | Borg^Queen | oh maybe you have the logon info wrong? |
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| 21:04.50 | tuxx | Evening. |
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| 21:05.11 | tuxx | How would I get onscreen display for eg. volume etc. in KDE 3.3.1 ? |
| 21:05.21 | Bhaal | Borg^Queen: No, it is actually downloading the project file... It saves, it, and then tries to open the tmp file its created... |
| 21:06.22 | Borg^Queen | odd |
| 21:06.36 | Borg^Queen | there has to be a problem with the tmp |
| 21:07.20 | Bhaal | Nothing else is having issues with it... |
| 21:11.22 | Borg^Queen | I don't know |
| 21:12.14 | Bhaal | My boss aint gonna be happy camper... |
| 21:12.27 | Bhaal | I was spose to have stuff done over night, but have had no end of problems... |
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| 21:13.06 | Bhaal | And now my spacebar is starting to stick |
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| 21:15.00 | Bhaal | bbl |
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| 21:54.51 | ^JM^ | i want to announde that i already found what causes the system fonts to appear smaller and fuzzy |
| 21:55.19 | ^JM^ | what causes that is the instalation of the PLF packages libfreetype6-2.1.9-2plf.i586.rpm and libfreetype6-devel-2.1.9-2plf.i586.rpm |
| 21:56.10 | chavo | ^JM^, yeah I figured that one out a wile back |
| 21:56.55 | ^JM^ | for 3 days that im trying to figure what was the caues for my fonts be smaller and fuzzy |
| 21:57.10 | ^JM^ | asked for help and no one knowed to help me |
| 21:57.53 | sredna | ^JM^: Well, thanks for telling, I'll note it down |
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| 21:58.20 | sredna | Btw, what is 'plf' for? |
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| 21:59.48 | TMM | better question, what the hell is a "plf"? |
| 22:00.49 | chavo | you just didn't ask the right people :) |
| 22:01.17 | chavo | TMM, I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. |
| 22:01.38 | chavo | Actually it's an update source for Mandrake packages |
| 22:01.53 | canllaith | penguin liberation front! |
| 22:02.20 | chavo | Yeah that's it |
| 22:02.22 | yeknomizu | pickled left foot? |
| 22:02.28 | chavo | close |
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| 22:05.36 | sredna | Ah, I remember.. |
| 22:05.42 | sredna | I used mandrake once |
| 22:06.06 | yeknomizu | So did I. Just once. |
| 22:06.43 | sredna | Lol |
| 22:06.49 | sredna | I used it for some years |
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| 22:12.28 | daan | hi, does anybody know how to stop my icons (on desktop) to stop moving around every time i log back into my system? |
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| 22:14.31 | mBob | hi |
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| 22:14.47 | patrix | hi StevenR |
| 22:14.53 | StevenR | yo patrix |
| 22:14.58 | mBob | im having problems with juk, amarok, noatun |
| 22:15.02 | TMM | chavo: aah, thanks |
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| 22:15.09 | patrix | StevenR: sup? everything good with the kde binaries hosting? |
| 22:15.22 | StevenR | patrix: no complaints :) |
| 22:15.24 | NeUtr0N | HELLO EVERYONE |
| 22:15.25 | patrix | awesome |
| 22:15.37 | StevenR | patrix: probably should upgrade the recently patched kde packs |
| 22:15.40 | mBob | http://rafb.net/paste/results/nGIHwL13.html |
| 22:15.50 | patrix | StevenR: no complaints from me either, the binaries are solid and fast (no more unexplained freezes) :) |
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| 22:17.13 | mBob | this has been bugging me for ages now |
| 22:17.27 | mBob | now im stuck with xmms :( |
| 22:17.33 | patrix | what's happening mBob? |
| 22:17.36 | StevenR | mBob: where does that stuff come from? |
| 22:17.54 | mBob | oh ye, the kdecrashhandler - when i start juk |
| 22:18.04 | StevenR | ahh |
| 22:19.39 | mBob | it all started when i upgraded to qt4 and tried to compile kde3.3.2 against it |
| 22:19.49 | mBob | didn't work, so i downgraded qt and recompiled kde3.3.2 against that |
| 22:20.01 | mBob | everything works apart from the kde music apps |
| 22:20.08 | patrix | gtg |
| 22:20.12 | patrix | cya later , StevenR :) |
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| 22:20.33 | mBob | in noatun and amarok, its only when they are loading the playlist, and obviously juk loads the playlist on startup |
| 22:20.44 | mBob | ive tried downgrading taglib, which didn't help |
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| 22:21.12 | canllaith | how does one disable the google toolbar onkonq if you've installed kdeaddons? |
| 22:21.13 | mBob | ive tried recreating the ID3 tags on the last song in the collection_scan.log in amarok's apps folder in ~/.kde |
| 22:21.25 | NeUtr0N | we love love juk |
| 22:21.32 | NeUtr0N | still the best |
| 22:21.35 | mBob | me too |
| 22:22.27 | mBob | any idea's anybody? |
| 22:22.33 | NeUtr0N | if only juk has automatic lyrics detection |
| 22:22.53 | mBob | im using gentoo on an ~x86 world, if that helps |
| 22:23.24 | chavo | amarok downloads lyrics |
| 22:23.35 | chavo | I love juk just the way it is. Nice and simple |
| 22:23.41 | mBob | nautron - i prefer my music app to be nice and simple |
| 22:23.44 | mBob | ye, like chavo |
| 22:24.11 | NeUtr0N | but it would be nice to display the lyrics of the song |
| 22:24.27 | chavo | NeUtr0N, that's what amarok is for |
| 22:24.49 | NeUtr0N | ya |
| 22:25.01 | mBob | any idea whats wrong with my broken juk? |
| 22:25.02 | NeUtr0N | but the idea is to have one apps that can do all |
| 22:25.04 | mBob | poor juk :( |
| 22:25.14 | NeUtr0N | and i would prefer juk |
| 22:25.51 | chavo | mBob, no idea. I compiled 3.3.2 the other day and everything is working beautifully. |
| 22:26.04 | mBob | it worked fine before for me until (see above) |
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| 22:26.49 | chavo | mBob, that's what you get for messing around with development libraries |
| 22:27.08 | mBob | i know :( |
| 22:27.09 | chavo | you should always stick that stuff in another directory |
| 22:27.25 | mBob | whats stuff? |
| 22:28.05 | chavo | any unstable stuff that you want to mess around with. |
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| 22:28.56 | NeUtr0N | brb gotta check if kde 3.4cvs head is finished |
| 22:29.02 | mBob | well can anybody decode that crash and tell me which package it is thats broken? |
| 22:29.20 | mBob | qt/kdelibs/glibc, etc |
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| 22:42.43 | jepel_tailweaver | heya sarah03 beastmaster DragonSpirit |
| 22:42.52 | beastmaster | hi :) |
| 22:43.21 | DragonSpirit | for those that saw me asking about that screen resolution thing in the kde system tray and how to remove it, mandrake made it so it loaded every time and the only way to make it not load is to remove the krandrtray.desktop thing from /usr/share/autostart |
| 22:43.35 | DragonSpirit | I was told ot look in autostart but I only looked in my users autostart |
| 22:43.48 | DragonSpirit | I iddn't think they'd put it in the system autostart |
| 22:44.07 | Renze | Mandrake do lots of silly things to KDE, imho |
| 22:44.13 | beastmaster | ehe |
| 22:44.13 | DragonSpirit | and yes, I found there is no other way to disable it's starting through kde |
| 22:44.18 | jepel_tailweaver | Renze: not as many as fedora! |
| 22:44.23 | Renze | jepel_tailweaver: true |
| 22:44.39 | jepel_tailweaver | I got shot down by canllaith for trolling because of my harsh denunciation of that |
| 22:44.46 | DragonSpirit | yea I like mdk as a distro, but lately they have been doing goofy things to kde |
| 22:44.53 | canllaith | This isn't #distrowars |
| 22:45.33 | beastmaster | how do i edit the right-click menu? |
| 22:45.46 | beastmaster | on screen, i meant |
| 22:45.47 | canllaith | hey dude, konversation highlighted that and wants me to click it to join! Nice. |
| 22:46.03 | chavo | That's where all the cool people are. |
| 22:46.20 | canllaith | beastmaster: not easily. You can define a custom menu for it I think ? |
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| 22:46.32 | canllaith | ooohooo |
| 22:46.39 | beastmaster | which file do i edit it though? |
| 22:46.42 | canllaith | beastmaster: right click on desktop |
| 22:46.46 | canllaith | select customise desktop |
| 22:46.48 | chavo | yes, you can make a custom menu for each button if you'd like |
| 22:46.48 | canllaith | behaviour |
| 22:46.51 | canllaith | mouse buttons |
| 22:47.00 | mono | i hit close by mistake on the inital wizard window when starting kde. how do i reinitilze that window? |
| 22:47.03 | canllaith | select custom menu 1 for the right button, and go to town |
| 22:47.05 | chavo | the only thing missing is being able to add subdirectories |
| 22:47.12 | mono | the one that asks for your location and lang etc? |
| 22:47.16 | beastmaster | canllaith, ah.. i see.. thanks a lot. |
| 22:47.22 | canllaith | mono: start kpersonalizer from the command line |
| 22:47.41 | canllaith | or run it from Kmenu -> Settings -> Desktop Settings Wizard |
| 22:47.45 | canllaith | (if it's there, some distros hack up the menus) |
| 22:48.11 | DragonSpirit | but actually it is a combination of a mandrake problem and a kde user interface problem.. as there is no easy way to say for it to start up or not start up when kde starts, and it is some obscure tool that usually isn't even known about by most users |
| 22:48.28 | DragonSpirit | I'd say more a mandrkae problem because they went and forced it to strat up though |
| 22:48.51 | NeUtr0N | canllaith: how much time kdebase should take on 2.8 512DDRAM ? |
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| 22:49.09 | sredna | DIE KIO_HTTP_CACHE_CLEANER, DIE |
| 22:49.10 | canllaith | NeUtr0N: umm it takes just over an hour to build on my 2.4GHz 1024MB RAM |
| 22:49.11 | DragonSpirit | but nm all that, just me ranting a bit, I doubt it would do me any good sitting and complaining here for any length of time |
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| 22:49.30 | NeUtr0N | canllaith: Okz |
| 22:49.35 | canllaith | So probably a bit under an hour I'd say :) |
| 22:49.56 | NeUtr0N | now 45 minutes |
| 22:49.59 | NeUtr0N | still not finished |
| 22:50.01 | canllaith | I had no idea you could do this rightclick menu thing. Very cool. |
| 22:50.42 | canllaith | NeUtr0N: it's probably nearly finished - are you using gnu automake? |
| 22:50.51 | NeUtr0N | canllaith: yes |
| 22:51.01 | canllaith | if so it does it in alphabetical order ;) You can watch the output to see what dir it's in, go look at the directory listing and roughly see how far it is |
| 22:52.28 | NeUtr0N | gtg |
| 22:53.26 | sredna | BOY, konqueror has problems loading the bugzilla query page |
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| 22:53.54 | canllaith | heh does it? Gosh that's .... welll a bit ironic really |
| 22:54.59 | canllaith | that's nice :) good for you :P |
| 22:55.08 | Dhraakellian | speaking of which... |
| 22:55.29 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: have you checked the Qt FF stability recently? |
| 22:55.37 | canllaith | don't even think about it Dhraakellian lol |
| 22:55.59 | canllaith | if you're asking me instead of just grabbing it yourself confident you can fix it if it breaks, don't touch it =p |
| 22:56.11 | sredna | ... and when it finally loads, its impossible to find anything meaningfull anyway |
| 22:57.20 | canllaith | The kpart irreparably breaks your konqueror (well not quite but close) and is horrifically unstable |
| 22:57.31 | canllaith | and yeah, qtfirefox still randomly segfaults all over the place for not reason. |
| 22:57.39 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 22:58.32 | sredna | I wish all that wonderfull energy was spent helping KHTML, which is a wonderfull browser |
| 22:58.51 | canllaith | .... lots of energy is spent helping KHTML |
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| 23:00.35 | sredna | Obviously not enough |
| 23:00.42 | canllaith | um ok |
| 23:01.01 | canllaith | what do you expect us to do while it wont load our webmail or log into our suppliers websites? Just... not use anything at all? |
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| 23:04.43 | sredna | canllaith: I follow about the same strategy. I wouldn't dream of wishing to mix mozilla with konqueror though, I just open it. |
| 23:04.58 | canllaith | does anyone here use that cvs filter thing? |
| 23:05.17 | canllaith | I've added kdebase/kicker to my 'filter list' of ones to watch and gosh damnit I'm not getting email of my own commits there |
| 23:05.45 | canllaith | :( |
| 23:06.10 | sredna | canllaith: I use it |
| 23:06.37 | sredna | I used the navigaiton on the site to add directories, and it works fine |
| 23:06.37 | canllaith | Experienced any behaviour like that? |
| 23:06.42 | canllaith | that's bizzare |
| 23:06.49 | sredna | Yes |
| 23:06.50 | sredna | It is |
| 23:07.00 | sredna | It should work the same for you |
| 23:07.13 | canllaith | oh, I just got something aseigo updated |
| 23:07.26 | canllaith | but not the stuff I did ... day before yesterday or whenever |
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| 23:08.03 | canllaith | yup kdebase kicker is added |
| 23:08.18 | canllaith | but come to think of it, it's been silent for ages. Surely there has been more updates than that......... |
| 23:09.04 | sredna | I believe kicker is very active recently |
| 23:09.25 | canllaith | yes, I believe so too - yet I have gotten a single email in a week |
| 23:09.50 | aseigo | i haven't done much on it in the last week, no |
| 23:10.02 | canllaith | aseigo: I have done a wee bit though why isn't that showing up? :( |
| 23:10.13 | aseigo | hrm. this is true. |
| 23:10.16 | canllaith | no emails :( |
| 23:10.20 | aseigo | did you get that commit i just made? |
| 23:10.23 | canllaith | Yes |
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| 23:10.30 | aseigo | so it at least works some times |
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| 23:10.38 | canllaith | Which is exactly what made me think of it.... |
| 23:10.49 | luksan | ok anyone in here use KStars? |
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| 23:23.50 | sredna | canllaith: No, it sounds it's not your week with cvs :( |
| 23:27.46 | Sizaint | how do i add /home/siz/.kde/share/applnk/Windows_Applications to kmenu?? |
| 23:31.31 | Sizaint | there is stuff in that folder but it dosent show up in the kmenu |
| 23:31.46 | canllaith | sredna: not my week with kde :( |
| 23:32.47 | sredna | :( |
| 23:32.56 | sredna | ~order beer for canllaith |
| 23:33.14 | sredna | Lazy bartender :() |
| 23:33.19 | sredna | !order beer for canllaith |
| 23:33.28 | canllaith | :) ty sredna |
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| 23:36.24 | Sizaint | any one know why the folder in ~/.kde/share/applnk/Windows_Application is not showing up in the kmenu? |
| 23:37.18 | canllaith | the local menu customisations are in .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu ? |
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| 23:39.03 | Sizaint | if i delete the file with it regenerate? |
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| 23:42.36 | sredna | The what? |
| 23:42.58 | sredna | Babiiiii it's dark outsiiiiide |
| 23:43.11 | Renze | it's anything but dark here |
| 23:43.35 | sredna | Lucky you :) |
| 23:44.17 | sredna | Nic |
| 23:44.25 | physos | isn't apple fun? hey we make an MP3 stick, you can store up to 100 songs on it, but hey you have guess what comes next, since we will not include a display ;) |
| 23:44.34 | sredna | My cat loves you, it likes sleeping in the sun better |
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| 23:47.33 | StevenR | physos: what? no display at all? that's silly |
| 23:49.18 | physos | StevenR: well, they are cheap compared to others in the same capacity. |
| 23:49.30 | StevenR | still silly really |
| 23:49.52 | StevenR | i'd much rather buy a useful item, rather than something which cant tell me anything |
| 23:50.06 | physos | http://www.apple.com/de/ipodshuffle/ |
| 23:50.40 | physos | http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/ |
| 23:51.48 | StevenR | 2. Do not eat iPod shuffle. |
| 23:51.54 | StevenR | lol |
| 23:51.55 | physos | the creative muvos are in the same price range |
| 23:52.01 | Renze | do not taunt happy fun ball |
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| 23:53.25 | physos | and they include the armstrip (another 30€) and a microphone, in addition to the display. |
| 23:55.25 | mobtek | StevenR: but they are SOOOO tasty! :P |
| 23:55.45 | StevenR | mobtek: but will they work with linux? |
| 23:56.23 | physos | and don't we all love batteries you can not change? |
| 23:58.07 | sarah03 | Hm. I've got an MP3 CD player... of course it's compatible with linux: mkisofs & cdrecord. :) |
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| 23:59.05 | ohoh | lg has been trying to appeal to the young, spontaneous, and impressible market that has no memory of the lucky goldstar brands. |
| 23:59.44 | StevenR | ohoh: and that's relevant how? |
