| 00:01.52 | RagnaRoC | wow this looks like a nightmare |
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| 00:02.47 | Marxist-Bastard | How can I migrate wallets between Linux installations? |
| 00:03.10 | Theory | I just use Xmodmap to add all the extra keys on startup |
| 00:03.36 | RagnaRoC | Do you think that to be the best way for me to do this? |
| 00:03.47 | Theory | best is a matching kb layout |
| 00:03.47 | RagnaRoC | If so I will take it into consideration |
| 00:03.56 | RagnaRoC | not gonna happen I think |
| 00:04.16 | RagnaRoC | is not a common brand as far as keyboards go as far as I can tell |
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| 00:04.39 | RagnaRoC | if it were possible again I wqould not be doing this |
| 00:05.03 | mBob | hi - can anybody help me with a crash in juk, amorok and noatun |
| 00:05.30 | mBob | i can get a traceback, but that probably wont be much use to anybody |
| 00:06.05 | mBob | the crash occurs when one of the apps tries to add my /music folder into the playlist |
| 00:06.16 | Theory | think I also modified /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 00:06.31 | RagnaRoC | noted |
| 00:06.44 | RagnaRoC | might have to look into all this one by one |
| 00:07.06 | mBob | it all started when i updated qt to v4, tried to compile kde 3.3.2 (which worked fine before) against it, this didn't work, so i downgraded qt and recompiled kde 3.3.2 against the latest version of qt3.x |
| 00:07.14 | Theory | I think google gave me some tutorials |
| 00:07.27 | RagnaRoC | that might be helpful |
| 00:07.42 | mBob | any ideas anybody? this has been bothering me for a while, and it isn't the first time ive asked this question in here |
| 00:08.02 | mBob | also: frog ~ # uname -a |
| 00:08.03 | mBob | Linux frog 2.6.10 #3 Wed Jan 5 13:39:02 GMT 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
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| 00:09.58 | Marxist-Bastard | Damn drag-and-drop interfaces. |
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| 00:10.29 | mBob | nobody? |
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| 00:11.53 | marcusU | Hmmm. H&R block's website enters into an infinite refresh loop in Konqueror. |
| 00:12.17 | marcusU | Only the page that links from the email they sent. Odd. |
| 00:12.30 | sredna | H&r? |
| 00:12.42 | marcusU | H&R Block. |
| 00:13.28 | marcusU | Oh well. |
| 00:14.00 | mBob | does anybody know where i should go to get some help? |
| 00:14.19 | marcusU | mBob: Help with what? |
| 00:14.42 | mBob | i'l post it all again |
| 00:14.48 | mBob | hi - can anybody help me with a crash in juk, amorok and noatun |
| 00:14.52 | mBob | i can get a traceback, but that probably wont be much use to anybody |
| 00:14.58 | mBob | the crash occurs when one of the apps tries to add my /music folder into the playlist |
| 00:15.02 | marcusU | This would be the place, I think. |
| 00:15.04 | sredna | At some point during the 199ties, there was a trend doing DHTML, and you'd ask for 'document.all', and if that was null, you'd have the document redraw in the onload event because of a bug in netscape 4.1 - 4.7 |
| 00:15.11 | mBob | it all started when i updated qt to v4, tried to compile kde 3.3.2 (which worked fine before) against it, this didn't work, so i downgraded qt and recompiled kde 3.3.2 against the latest version of qt3.x |
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| 00:15.37 | sredna | mBob: You can't compile kde 3 against qt 4 |
| 00:15.46 | mBob | i know |
| 00:15.49 | mBob | well |
| 00:15.51 | mBob | i know now |
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| 00:16.19 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 00:16.27 | annma | hi! |
| 00:16.42 | sredna | I have fixed the filelist and the apply for the shading |
| 00:16.56 | mBob | but because of that cockup, its now broken |
| 00:17.09 | mBob | and ive recompiled just about everything that i can think of that could be related |
| 00:17.13 | mBob | but it will not work |
| 00:17.40 | marcusU | Maybe you have some stuff that's linked against Qt4 or such by mistake. |
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| 00:18.04 | marcusU | Okay, this website is just not usable with Konqueror. |
| 00:18.34 | marcusU | Apparently, i'm supposed to be filling out some information in a form and then clicking "Next", but the form does not appear! |
| 00:18.40 | sredna | Lol, my cat sometimes follows the [mouse!] cursor on the screen for a while, and it actually attacked it with a paw :o |
| 00:18.44 | mBob | marcusU - i dont think so, like i said, i recompiled qt3.* and then compiled everything kde against it |
| 00:18.48 | sredna | marcusU: URL? |
| 00:19.42 | marcusU | sredna: The problem is that this is in an online tax prep website, so you can't get into the pages that I'm having trouble with without filling out a bunch of personal information. |
| 00:20.02 | marcusU | https://taxes.hrblock.com/hrblock/interview/InterviewFRM.aspx?FlashVersion=undefined |
| 00:20.12 | sredna | marcusU: Did you try with the UAChanger -- set the ua to either ie, mozilla or safari? |
| 00:20.21 | marcusU | Let me try... |
| 00:21.23 | marcusU | sredna: The next page looks okay with Safari. Let's see how it goes now. |
| 00:22.21 | illogical | back in windows xp again. |
| 00:22.26 | illogical | oh joy. |
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| 00:23.12 | sredna | marcusU: Seems to work fine if I pretend to be mozilla as well.. |
| 00:23.24 | marcusU | I don't know if you're getting to the screen that I had problems with. |
| 00:23.47 | sredna | No |
| 00:23.47 | mBob | any ideas anybody? |
| 00:24.37 | sredna | mBob: Rebuild kde against qt3.3 |
| 00:25.14 | mBob | sredna - ive already done that, a few times, just incase i missed somethin |
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| 00:25.43 | sredna | mBob: Uninstall qt4? |
| 00:25.44 | mBob | im using gentoo, ive even tried specifying the bits seperately, like emerge arts qt kdelibs kdebase kdemultimedia |
| 00:25.48 | mBob | have done already |
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| 00:28.07 | mBob | does the fact that its only when i try to add /music to a playlist |
| 00:28.15 | mBob | individual songs work fine |
| 00:28.23 | mBob | its only noatun juk and amarok that dont work |
| 00:28.39 | jepel_tailweaver | mBob: do you have /usr/qt/3.3? |
| 00:28.43 | mBob | xmms (with the arts plugin) works fine with the same playlist |
| 00:29.03 | mBob | jepel_tailweaver - no, /usr/qt/3 |
| 00:29.07 | jepel_tailweaver | mBob: ok |
| 00:31.47 | RagnaRoC | After trying all the availaible layouts I found a few that were quite close but there were always a few unbound keys still...could I use these and manually bind the few remaining keys...then just assign fuctions to the rest? |
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| 00:41.03 | mBob | no ideas then? |
| 00:41.25 | illogical | ? |
| 00:41.39 | mBob | erm |
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| 00:41.57 | mBob | wait there, i'l put it on rafb.net/paste, because i ask every few days in here, incase somebody can help me |
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| 00:44.37 | mBob | http://rafb.net/paste/results/TrEJbq19.html |
| 00:46.46 | aseigo | mBob: it's when you add songs only? |
| 00:47.00 | mBob | its only when i add the /music folder |
| 00:47.06 | mBob | individual songs work fine |
| 00:47.20 | mBob | juk crashes on startup because it creates the playlist then |
| 00:47.21 | aseigo | mBob: neat. and you recompiled taglib and kdemultimedia of course |
| 00:47.28 | mBob | yep |
| 00:47.43 | aseigo | and all of kdelibs/base as you said.. hrm... thinks |
| 00:47.46 | mBob | yep |
| 00:47.47 | aseigo | what does the backtrace say? |
| 00:48.55 | mBob | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sSUaWw28.html |
| 00:53.58 | aseigo | nice crash |
| 00:54.03 | mBob | :( |
| 00:54.12 | aseigo | built w -no-debug i see =) |
| 00:54.23 | mBob | yep |
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| 00:54.54 | aseigo | well .. juk relies on taglib, arts and kdelibs ... it doesn't AFAIK pull in anything else |
| 00:55.04 | aseigo | since this also happens w/amaroK, as you said, then it's not at the application level |
| 00:55.32 | aseigo | and individual songs work.. juts not directories... |
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| 00:58.42 | aseigo | mBob: and doing "ldd `which juk`" doesn't show any linkage to Qt4 anymore, or any unresolved linkages? |
| 00:58.53 | stodge | I installed KDE from sources into ~/kde3.3.2, but KDE still has menu items from GNOME. Any ideas how to prevent this from happening? |
| 00:59.27 | mBob | frog ~ # ldd `which juk` | grep qt libqtmcop.so.1 => /usr/kde/3.3/lib/libqtmcop.so.1 (0xb7df8000) libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb678f000) |
| 00:59.37 | aseigo | mBob: because the only difference between the "whole directory" and "single files" code paths is that it loops in each directory adding the files one by one, which it does using the POSIX (e.g. not Qt) directory reading method |
| 00:59.41 | mBob | (new line after grep qt) |
| 00:59.57 | aseigo | and no unresolved linkages to any other libs? |
| 01:00.08 | mBob | dunno |
| 01:00.23 | aseigo | the ONLY Qt things used in that code path that are different from single file adds are QFile::decodeName and QDir::separator |
| 01:00.32 | mBob | how can i tell if theyre unresolved? |
| 01:00.57 | aseigo | there'll be an obvious "unresolved lib" type mesage after the => |
| 01:01.02 | mBob | o rite |
| 01:01.19 | mBob | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) |
| 01:01.22 | mBob | is that bad? |
| 01:01.46 | thiago | mBob: no, that's normal |
| 01:01.48 | thiago | that's a special one |
| 01:01.57 | mBob | ok |
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| 01:05.51 | aseigo | stodge: you can edit your $KDEDIR/etc/xdg/menus/application.menu file |
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| 01:22.45 | mBob | any idea's anybody? |
| 01:22.48 | canllaith | Perhaps I should file a wish for kopete =p |
| 01:23.18 | canllaith | a button to quickly block all people who their aim accounts report 'ichat video functionality' in the days after new release launches....... |
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| 01:23.40 | sredna | Hi ca |
| 01:23.44 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 01:23.50 | canllaith | :) hey hey sredna |
| 01:24.15 | sredna | Lol |
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| 01:27.30 | canllaith | Yes you got that right :) |
| 01:27.35 | canllaith | and it is obnoxious :\ |
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| 01:28.42 | sredna | It's originally a brainchild of mine, allthough I never created the misbehaved toolbar |
| 01:29.01 | canllaith | that must make you doubly annoyed with seeing it misbehaving then =p |
| 01:29.10 | sredna | My thought is to make a setting for that to only show when there are some links to populate itøs buttons |
| 01:29.26 | canllaith | that makes sense |
| 01:29.29 | sredna | In HEAD at least there is only one toolbar |
| 01:29.35 | sredna | But it's ALLWAYS there |
| 01:30.29 | mmlj4 | i'm running KDE 3.2.1, with Kontact 0.8.1 --- on right-click, I can mark a message as spam or ham... is there any actual bayesian filtering built into Kmail at this point, that I can use after I've classified all my mail? How do I filter off this marking? |
| 01:30.41 | sredna | I still believe that promoting those links is cool, it provides very nice navigation in a lot of contexts. In fact, I think many more sites should use them |
| 01:31.01 | canllaith | mmlj4: mmm you'd need to use spamassasin for that |
| 01:31.54 | sredna | mmlj4: I think your version is from before the setup wizard, but there is a page on kmail.kde.org that explains how to set kmail up to work with common spam tools |
| 01:32.07 | canllaith | mmlj4: basically I have kmail filters set up to feed mail through the spam assasin binary on the way in... although your version is rather old, and before the recent big kmail change so you prolly don't have the wizard |
| 01:32.09 | canllaith | snap |
| 01:32.21 | sredna | Lol |
| 01:32.34 | mmlj4 | canllaith: already doing that... but why is the ability to mark ham or spam available to me, if I can't actually use it in Kmail? Mozilla's mail client (thurderbird? I can't keep up with names anymore) does filter spam/ham, once you've trained the engine |
| 01:32.45 | canllaith | mmlj4: you CAN use it in kmail |
| 01:33.07 | canllaith | Kmail just supports a variety of spam filtering engines, instead of reinventing the wheel and writing yet another.... |
| 01:33.09 | mmlj4 | hmm... ok, i guess I ought to find and read that page |
| 01:33.12 | sredna | http://kmail.kde.org/tools.html |
| 01:33.14 | stodge | Anyone know how to fix this: "The process |
| 01:33.14 | stodge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.50 | mmlj4 | "rather old"? I'm only 1 tick away, right? |
| 01:33.58 | canllaith | um ? |
| 01:34.18 | canllaith | We're up to 3.4 beta.... and 3.3.2 stable |
| 01:34.41 | canllaith | but I was mostly referring to that Kmail has had a massive increase in it's feature set since 3.3.0 |
| 01:34.49 | mmlj4 | neat page, lots of goodies, thanks |
| 01:35.10 | sredna | Oss is a tropical world, everrything goes very fast, new life, death, rot... and yet there are some old, tall trees |
| 01:35.32 | canllaith | very philosophical of you sredna :P |
| 01:35.47 | sredna | It's late :p |
| 01:35.53 | canllaith | heh |
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| 01:38.03 | canllaith | mmm do I make food or do I go back to sleep |
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| 01:39.07 | illogic-al | l |
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| 01:59.00 | KifKroker | hello all |
| 01:59.18 | KifKroker | is there a channel for kdeapps |
| 02:00.02 | Renze | the website? or just kde apps in general? |
| 02:00.08 | illogic-al | right here unless otherwise specified :-) |
| 02:00.26 | KifKroker | im looking for an app similar to WINDOWS Wireless Network Connection where i can chioose available netwroks |
| 02:00.31 | KifKroker | k |
| 02:00.39 | canllaith | mmmm I have not really been able to find out myself |
| 02:00.50 | canllaith | but the place to look is kde-apps.org |
| 02:01.53 | canllaith | oh really? |
| 02:02.01 | KifKroker | the one i saw , the link is dead |
| 02:02.04 | canllaith | I was going to make kwifimanager suck less when I learned how to code |
| 02:02.12 | canllaith | but I haven't quite got there yet |
| 02:02.53 | KifKroker | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19152 that one looks great but the url is dead |
| 02:03.07 | KifKroker | canllaith how do you shuffle.. |
| 02:03.15 | canllaith | KifKroker: I have written a shell script |
| 02:03.28 | canllaith | so I use /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless start networkname |
| 02:03.29 | KifKroker | oh really , is it easy. ? |
| 02:03.51 | canllaith | mmm if you know bash sure |
| 02:04.01 | Alethes | bash sucks |
| 02:04.03 | KifKroker | i use slackware but i dont know bash |
| 02:04.11 | canllaith | yeah whatever Alethes ..... |
| 02:04.14 | Alethes | :P |
| 02:04.22 | Alethes | I use it, but it's a pain |
| 02:04.38 | KifKroker | ive been using slack for like 5 years.. i just use it as my desktop.. never really got really involved into linux |
| 02:04.56 | Alethes | mmmm slack |
| 02:05.10 | canllaith | heh oh and there is the little script I wrote for bruce's network :| |
| 02:05.21 | canllaith | because I fall off the goddamn network every bloody 5 minutes growl. |
| 02:05.27 | KifKroker | damn that nick looks familair |
| 02:05.32 | Alethes | I wrote a dialog frontend for wvdial so my wife could reconnect my nat box |
| 02:05.37 | KifKroker | alethes dont you use fluxbox .. and use slack > |
| 02:05.53 | Alethes | KifKroker: I used slack up until april of last year |
| 02:05.56 | Alethes | I use fbsd now |
| 02:06.11 | KifKroker | ah. yoou and and some guy were also starting a project right |
| 02:06.14 | Alethes | I still use it on a server, but I don't really do much with it |
| 02:06.20 | Alethes | what project am I starting? :) |
| 02:06.36 | KifKroker | cant rememebr .. the op in #slackware |
| 02:06.42 | Alethes | oh yeah :) |
| 02:06.44 | Alethes | chandler |
| 02:06.49 | Alethes | that's way back |
| 02:06.50 | KifKroker | like maybe 2 years ago |
| 02:06.53 | Alethes | yep |
| 02:06.57 | Alethes | we never did get it off the ground |
| 02:07.19 | Alethes | we were working on a desktop distro, but we're too busy |
| 02:07.32 | KifKroker | right. i havent seen him.. i think hes over everything |
| 02:07.41 | Alethes | he's in #ifdef |
| 02:07.44 | Alethes | a few of us hang there |
| 02:07.58 | KifKroker | whats ifdef for.. random junk |
| 02:08.07 | Alethes | yeah |
| 02:08.13 | Alethes | just politics and random idle chatter |
| 02:08.47 | KifKroker | yeah i think you guys started that during the iraq war was starting.. right |
| 02:09.12 | canllaith | mmm I obviously haven't set up my auto ignore on the word 'iraq' in konversation on this machine yet :) |
| 02:09.19 | Alethes | canllaith: haha |
| 02:09.27 | Alethes | canllaith: yeah, among other fun topics :) |
| 02:09.28 | KifKroker | sorry |
| 02:09.53 | KifKroker | .. so can you send me that script .. please |
| 02:10.01 | canllaith | uh it wont do you any good..... |
| 02:10.07 | KifKroker | oh |
| 02:10.16 | canllaith | not unless you want to be 192.168.0.222 with a default route of 192.168.0.248 when you're at my house |
| 02:10.27 | canllaith | and with a default route of 192.168.0.254 when you're at my work |
| 02:10.55 | canllaith | and 192.168.1.222 with a default route of 192.168.1.253 at my other work... |
| 02:10.59 | canllaith | you get the picture =p |
| 02:11.14 | Alethes | it shouldn't be hard to edit IPs :P |
| 02:11.40 | canllaith | by the time he's doing that he might as well rewrite the damn thing lol |
| 02:11.50 | canllaith | and one location I have dhcp.... but yeah |
| 02:12.29 | FrostByte | How do I get the QAmix down in the systemtray? |
| 02:14.01 | KifKroker | canllaith any tools out there similar to my xp system tray for choosing wireless netwroks |
| 02:14.50 | canllaith | There really does seem to be a gap there KifKroker .... |
| 02:14.57 | canllaith | unless knemo can be configured to do what you want, I don' tknow |
| 02:15.48 | KifKroker | http://www.kde-apps.org/index.php?page=1 but the one i foundlike i said was dead url |
| 02:16.13 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:16.22 | Dhraakellian | is it possible to change the default file manager in KDE |
| 02:16.23 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 02:16.34 | Dhraakellian | like you can change the default web browser |
| 02:17.01 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: you could go through all the file associations and change every reference to konq to your own file manager |
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| 02:21.13 | sunbx | how can i make x window start when the oc starts ? got slackware |
| 02:21.21 | canllaith | when the oc starts? |
| 02:21.24 | sunbx | err |
| 02:21.27 | sunbx | system |
| 02:21.28 | sunbx | :D |
| 02:21.30 | canllaith | :) |
| 02:21.40 | canllaith | you edit your /etc/inittab |
| 02:21.49 | canllaith | very very carefully |
| 02:21.50 | sunbx | aha and what exacly do i add there ? |
| 02:22.09 | canllaith | # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) |
| 02:22.09 | canllaith | id:3:initdefault: |
| 02:22.12 | canllaith | ok it will say this here |
| 02:22.17 | canllaith | change that 3, to say 4 |
| 02:22.22 | sunbx | aha |
| 02:22.26 | canllaith | but be VERY careful because if you mess up that file, it will not boot! very bad. |
| 02:22.34 | sunbx | and what about my scripts ?! |
| 02:22.40 | canllaith | what about them? :) |
| 02:22.43 | Alethes | hey |
| 02:22.57 | sunbx | will them start ? |
| 02:22.58 | Alethes | anybody interested in a custom stylesheet to block banner ads in konq? |
| 02:23.04 | Alethes | http://www.alethes.net/konq.css |
| 02:23.06 | canllaith | sunbx: where are your scripts? |
| 02:23.12 | canllaith | Alethes: definitely |
| 02:23.13 | Alethes | it doesn't affect anything else |
| 02:23.30 | sunbx | my scripts are in rc.M |
| 02:23.37 | canllaith | sunbx: oh yes they will still start :) |
| 02:23.53 | canllaith | rc.M means 'multiuser' and it will run for any multiuser runlevel which on slackware is 3 and 4 :) |
| 02:24.11 | Alethes | I modified my usercontent.css for gecko slightly |
| 02:24.21 | Alethes | not sure if !important does anything for khtml |
| 02:24.40 | Alethes | you can take out the object and embed items as well |
| 02:25.08 | sunbx | so i have to change id:3:initdefault: in id:4:initdefault: |
| 02:25.09 | sunbx | ? |
| 02:25.22 | canllaith | yes |
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| 02:26.09 | sunbx | ok |
| 02:26.11 | sunbx | rebooting . |
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| 02:26.33 | canllaith | heh |
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| 02:26.57 | sunbx | now i want the vncserver to start automaticaly with x can i do that ? |
| 02:27.19 | Alethes | add it to ~/.xinitrc? |
| 02:27.29 | sunbx | why in my home dir ? |
| 02:27.39 | Alethes | oh, I don't care |
| 02:27.43 | canllaith | sunbx: hmmm |
| 02:27.45 | Alethes | add it to the global xinitrc if you want |
| 02:27.49 | canllaith | yeah |
| 02:27.53 | Alethes | then it'll affect every user |
| 02:28.12 | sunbx | i rebooted |
| 02:28.20 | sunbx | switched that runlevel |
| 02:28.22 | sredna | Alethes: Nice idea, but a key concept is not requesting data from ad sites at all |
| 02:28.27 | sunbx | but i don't see any process og kde |
| 02:28.29 | sunbx | of* |
| 02:28.38 | sunbx | x windows |
| 02:28.40 | canllaith | sunbx: it should have run a graphical login screen ? |
| 02:28.54 | Alethes | sredna: display: none doesn't load the data at all |
| 02:28.56 | canllaith | from here it is up to your graphical login - you can configure it to log you into kde automatically |
| 02:29.24 | sredna | Alethes: So no request is sent to the server because of a display property? |
| 02:29.27 | sunbx | let me change the monitor to see |
| 02:29.38 | Alethes | sredna: if it was width:0px;height:0px;, then it'd still be loaded, but not displayed |
| 02:29.41 | Alethes | sredna: right |
| 02:29.55 | sredna | Alethes: An other issue is that it might screw up the layout of the pages |
| 02:30.09 | Alethes | sredna: it hasn't been an issue, from my experience |
| 02:30.16 | Alethes | I've been using it for a year or so now |
| 02:30.17 | sredna | Alethes: How do you know that no request is sent? |
| 02:30.20 | Alethes | I used it with gecko |
| 02:30.26 | Alethes | 'cause I know what the display option does |
| 02:30.30 | Alethes | it disables the tag |
| 02:30.36 | Alethes | if it's set to none, that is |
| 02:30.41 | sredna | No, it does not |
| 02:30.52 | sredna | It tells the renderer not to render it |
| 02:30.52 | Dhraakellian | hmm... I installed kconfigeditor, but it only shows me gnome stuff. Any idea how I'd fix this? |
| 02:31.02 | canllaith | kconfigeditor? |
| 02:31.04 | Alethes | sredna: right, same end effect |
| 02:31.11 | sredna | Alethes: No |
| 02:31.19 | Alethes | sredna: you can see it for yourself, if you like |
| 02:31.23 | Alethes | the data doesn't load |
| 02:31.24 | Alethes | :) |
| 02:31.26 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kconfigeditor/ |
| 02:32.44 | canllaith | oooooh I see |
| 02:32.53 | sredna | Alethes: And what do I do to add it to konquerors css? |
| 02:32.57 | canllaith | kinda like pico but graphical :) |
| 02:33.06 | canllaith | ;) |
| 02:33.35 | Alethes | sredna: configure konq > stylesheets > use user-defined stylesheet |
| 02:34.58 | Dhraakellian | and I'm only seeing the gnome stuff |
| 02:35.43 | canllaith | mmm is your $KDEHOME set? |
| 02:36.35 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:36.38 | Dhraakellian | apparently not |
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| 02:37.30 | canllaith | wb Renze |
| 02:37.53 | Renze | ty canllaith :) |
| 02:38.01 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: ~/.kde/ right? |
| 02:38.06 | Renze | konversation is so much better for IRC than kopete |
| 02:38.43 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: probably :) |
| 02:39.05 | Dhraakellian | Renze: yes, I seem to remember that |
| 02:39.22 | sunbx | ok i see. i made XDM start at bootup , starts well but i dunno why it logs with 4 pts in a time. and i want to add that vnc start script in the startup of the XDM , not after i login |
| 02:39.28 | KifKroker | canllaith in iwlis scan ,.. is there a way to pick that certain netwrok ..? |
| 02:39.40 | sunbx | after that i will try kde |
| 02:39.44 | canllaith | I don't know, you'd be better in #wireless or something else..... |
| 02:40.14 | KifKroker | ha ok |
| 02:40.15 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: bingo! that did it |
| 02:40.27 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: heh and I have never seen the program before in my life. Gotta love logic |
| 02:40.29 | Dhraakellian | now... how to set $KDEHOME permanently... |
| 02:40.38 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: .xinitrc if you use startx |
| 02:40.44 | Dhraakellian | okay |
| 02:40.52 | canllaith | scuse flood |
| 02:40.58 | canllaith | KDEDIR=/opt/kde-unstable |
| 02:40.58 | canllaith | PATH=KDEDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 02:40.58 | canllaith | KDEHOME=~/.kde |
| 02:40.58 | canllaith | export KDEDIR PATH KDEHOME |
| 02:40.58 | canllaith | exec /opt/kde-unstable/bin/startkde |
| 02:41.05 | canllaith | that kind of thing |
| 02:41.10 | sredna | Alethes: It requests all kinds of stuff from ad.doubleclick.net |
| 02:41.29 | Alethes | sredna: interesting |
| 02:41.46 | Alethes | sredna: oh you know what? |
| 02:41.52 | Alethes | I also have the whole hosts file thing happening too |
| 02:41.59 | sredna | Alethes: I have turned kio_http debug messages on, and it doesn't prevent any queries |
| 02:42.02 | Dhraakellian | so in this case, just add the KDEHOME and export lines before the exec startkde? |
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| 02:42.21 | sredna | Alethes: So in that way it does not work |
| 02:42.24 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: yep :) That makes your whole KDE session inherit this variable (and incidentally any others you might want to set) |
| 02:42.27 | i0err | any one here heard any problems with emu10k sb live drivers in the Control Center? |
| 02:42.27 | canllaith | Venson: hi there! :) |
| 02:42.39 | Alethes | sredna: gotcha, makes sense, I guess that in combination with my hosts file is why I never have to deal with it |
| 02:42.55 | Venson | hi canllaith :) |
| 02:42.56 | sredna | Alethes: What hosts file? |
| 02:43.04 | Alethes | sredna: /etc/hosts |
| 02:43.07 | Alethes | hang on |
| 02:43.19 | sredna | Alethes: And you think kio reads that? :o |
| 02:43.29 | Alethes | sredna: hang on a sec |
| 02:43.29 | Venson | ah..we're talking about kiokids...cool |
| 02:43.51 | Alethes | sredna: http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ |
| 02:43.54 | Dhraakellian | !praise canllaith |
| 02:43.59 | Dhraakellian | eek |
| 02:44.21 | canllaith | :( |
| 02:44.25 | Renze | start running, Dhraakellian |
| 02:44.38 | Alethes | hah |
| 02:44.40 | canllaith | :(:( |
| 02:44.47 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:44.57 | sunbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.14 | Alethes | sredna: your hosts file affects your connection lower than the browser level |
| 02:46.07 | sredna | Alethes: It does not prevent konqueror from requesting data from anywhere |
| 02:46.33 | canllaith | yes, the hosts file would..... |
| 02:46.56 | Alethes | sredna: the hosts file would make your browser try to pull the file from your local machine |
| 02:47.09 | Venson | hmm... canllaith, your whois is interesting |
| 02:47.15 | canllaith | Venson: it is? |
| 02:47.27 | Venson | canllaith: yep...this is what i get |
| 02:47.29 | Venson | --- [canllaith] #kde-docs #kde |
| 02:47.29 | Venson | --- [canllaith] is an identified user |
| 02:47.29 | Venson | --- [canllaith] is a beautiful young lady |
| 02:47.29 | Venson | --- [canllaith] is especially very smart |
| 02:47.37 | canllaith | LOL |
| 02:47.44 | Venson | :-/ |
| 02:47.49 | canllaith | you're a sweety Venson LOL |
| 02:47.58 | sunbx | canllaith ? no more help ? |
| 02:47.59 | sunbx | :) |
| 02:48.05 | Venson | canllaith: i try lol |
| 02:48.09 | canllaith | sunbx: um .... ok hmmmm |
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| 02:48.33 | canllaith | I would put it on the system wide xinitrc |
| 02:48.44 | sunbx | already did |
| 02:48.48 | canllaith | oh no it has to be run as a certain user to be able to connect as that user yes? |
| 02:48.55 | canllaith | mmm |
| 02:49.10 | canllaith | Alethes: what's to marvel about? lol |
| 02:49.25 | Alethes | canllaith: I was just trying to figure out what was so amazing about your whois |
| 02:49.35 | Alethes | so I made that sarcastic remark :) |
| 02:49.43 | canllaith | sunbx: I don't altogether know....... how you would do it |
| 02:50.01 | canllaith | but there should be a file in your home dir, perhaps .Xsession or something like that |
| 02:50.13 | canllaith | that if you put vncserver in there it would run if you logged into the dm... but... |
| 02:50.37 | sunbx | solved that i will start it manualyy |
| 02:50.37 | sunbx | :) |
| 02:50.39 | canllaith | I just don't use vnc I'm afraid so I have no idea how one would do that. |
| 02:50.40 | i0err | canllaith : how about runlevels |
| 02:50.49 | sunbx | now i have a big problem |
| 02:50.57 | sunbx | i have that 2.4 sack kernel |
| 02:50.59 | canllaith | sunbx: heh fair enough. I tend to ssh in and start it if I need it .... |
| 02:51.05 | sunbx | i also have a fancy 2.6.10 kernel |
| 02:51.09 | sunbx | and if i boot with that kernel |
| 02:51.13 | sunbx | x won't start |
| 02:51.24 | canllaith | mmm what video card do yo uhave |
| 02:51.29 | canllaith | you have * |
| 02:52.29 | sunbx | something like leadtek |
| 02:52.35 | canllaith | mm nvidia ? |
| 02:52.38 | sunbx | don't know exacly |
| 02:52.42 | canllaith | perhaps you need to reinstall your nvidia driver |
| 02:52.59 | canllaith | do you remember installing a driver for your video card perhaps? |
| 02:53.01 | sunbx | ok but where ? what in the kernel ? |
| 02:53.03 | sunbx | no |
| 02:53.09 | canllaith | ok hang on |
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| 02:53.17 | sunbx | probalbly installed by default in slackware |
| 02:53.23 | canllaith | no it is not |
| 02:53.25 | canllaith | I am using slackware |
| 02:53.43 | canllaith | can you do this for me? |
| 02:53.50 | canllaith | grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 02:54.42 | sunbx | x is configured good |
| 02:54.48 | sunbx | but if i switch the kernel |
| 02:54.52 | canllaith | Yes |
| 02:54.53 | sunbx | it will not work. |
| 02:54.54 | canllaith | because the kernel |
| 02:54.57 | canllaith | has your video card driver in it |
| 02:54.58 | sunbx | exacly |
| 02:55.07 | sunbx | 2.6.10 + grsec would be the kernel |
| 02:55.17 | canllaith | if you do that command, it will tell me what video card driver you are using |
| 02:55.29 | canllaith | and then we know why it is not in the kernel |
| 02:55.51 | sunbx | root@sunbx:~> grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:55.51 | sunbx | root@sunbx:~> |
| 02:55.51 | canllaith | perhaps it is one you must install seperately, or perhaps you left it out of the config? At any rate that command might give us the answer. |
| 02:55.55 | sunbx | no nvidia |
| 02:56.01 | canllaith | ok, perhaps you are using vesa |
| 02:56.11 | sunbx | # NOTE: This is a NEW IMPROVED version of XF86Config-fbdev that uses the vesa |
| 02:56.12 | sunbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.12 | sunbx | root@sunbx:~> |
| 02:56.13 | sunbx | yes |
| 02:56.20 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 02:56.39 | canllaith | so it's not the nvidia driver, next try. |
| 02:56.46 | sunbx | Driver "vesa" |
| 02:56.48 | sunbx | :D |
| 02:56.49 | canllaith | When you startx on the new kernel what error does it tell you? |
| 02:56.50 | sunbx | that is |
| 02:57.06 | sunbx | [00:20:35] <sunbx> got the same problem. x |
| 02:57.09 | sunbx | wait |
| 02:57.15 | sunbx | xf86EnableIOPorts: Failed to set IOPL for I/O |
| 02:58.49 | canllaith | ok |
| 02:58.55 | canllaith | are you using an x86 machine? No? |
| 02:59.00 | sunbx | exacly |
| 02:59.02 | sunbx | celeron. |
| 02:59.07 | canllaith | oh really? Interesting |
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| 02:59.22 | canllaith | I am afraid that it seems you have configured your kernel badly |
| 02:59.26 | sunbx | well |
| 02:59.31 | sunbx | im in the source of it :) |
| 02:59.42 | sunbx | just tell me what exacly shalt i configure |
| 03:00.33 | sunbx | i think i know |
| 03:00.34 | sunbx | :) |
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| 03:00.47 | sunbx | [ ] Disable privileged I/O |
| 03:00.52 | sunbx | it was enabled |
| 03:01.02 | canllaith | mmm what does my kernel say for that |
| 03:01.12 | canllaith | (I have 2.6.10 and also slackware, and also nvidia graphics card) |
| 03:01.37 | sunbx | [*] VESA VGA graphics support |
| 03:01.42 | canllaith | :) |
| 03:01.50 | sunbx | i got that grsec patch in the kernel |
| 03:01.51 | sunbx | :) |
| 03:01.57 | canllaith | I do not know that one |
| 03:02.31 | sunbx | ok im compiling the kernel right now. |
| 03:02.35 | sunbx | ever used vmware ? |
| 03:02.38 | canllaith | Yes |
| 03:02.40 | sunbx | or qemu ? |
| 03:02.43 | sunbx | aha |
| 03:02.53 | sunbx | and telle me something until i compile that kernel. |
| 03:03.05 | sunbx | how come i boot from a cd and it skipes all things |
| 03:03.15 | sunbx | and try boot from the network |
| 03:03.19 | sunbx | cannot boot from there |
| 03:03.23 | sunbx | and ... end ? |
| 03:03.24 | canllaith | ah, in the vmware... |
| 03:03.40 | canllaith | when you start it often you have to tell it in it's bios to boot from cd ? |
| 03:03.41 | Renze | wow, 34MB left to last until midnight :) |
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| 03:04.16 | canllaith | and sometimes also it does not detect your cd correctly in the setup - you can look in it's options and see if it uses the right /dev for it |
| 03:04.48 | sunbx | it does... |
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| 03:05.01 | sunbx | what exacly do i need to start windows xp ? |
| 03:05.03 | sunbx | i need x |
| 03:05.06 | sunbx | i know that |
| 03:05.09 | sunbx | anything else ? |
| 03:05.15 | sunbx | some libs perhaps ? |
| 03:05.22 | canllaith | um do not know |
| 03:05.34 | canllaith | is vmware installed and running? If so, booting xp should work |
| 03:05.39 | sunbx | last time i managed to boot but got a problem like something with the display |
| 03:05.48 | sunbx | i must install it 1 |
| 03:05.48 | sunbx | :) |
| 03:05.51 | canllaith | ah, do not know. |
| 03:06.09 | sunbx | i only have a monitor so i have to switch monitors from server to pc |
| 03:06.14 | sunbx | that is why i use vnc |
| 03:06.15 | sunbx | :) |
| 03:06.15 | canllaith | ah ok |
| 03:08.27 | sunbx | what is gnome ? |
| 03:09.45 | sunbx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.50 | sunbx | interesting load average |
| 03:09.58 | sunbx | i winder when i will start windows xp ... |
| 03:10.04 | sunbx | i think it will explode |
| 03:10.05 | sunbx | :) |
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| 03:22.49 | sunbx | yessss |
| 03:22.54 | sunbx | working with my new kenel :) |
| 03:23.25 | sunbx | how do i modify how do i make rc.4 run *BEFORE* rc.M |
| 03:23.25 | sunbx | ? |
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| 03:43.09 | grepper | aseigo: around ? I tried the SUSE net install, it was a frustrating failure. |
| 03:43.37 | grepper | I see there is an iso on linuxiso.org for 9.1 - I thought they didn't have iso's available |
| 03:43.42 | aseigo | grepper: oh? where did it die? |
| 03:43.52 | aseigo | it's for 9.1 Personal |
| 03:44.10 | grepper | ah, so the net install gives more ? |
| 03:44.16 | aseigo | which is easily upgradable to 9.1 pro, or even 9.2 .. but you'll still need to install |
| 03:44.16 | aseigo | yeah |
| 03:44.20 | aseigo | gives you Pro |
| 03:44.32 | aseigo | the full meal deal. and there is no Personal edition after 9.1 |
| 03:44.32 | grepper | it formated my new 160 gig HD, but then told me it couldn't mount it |
| 03:44.37 | sunbx | how do i modify how do i make rc.4 run *BEFORE* rc.M ? |
| 03:44.54 | grepper | which was strange, since I could do alt-f2 from the installer and mount it fine |
| 03:45.10 | aseigo | grepper: yoinks. and after you mounted it and went ahead with the install did it continue to complain? |
| 03:45.36 | grepper | yeah, well the ram disk filled up |
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| 03:46.17 | grepper | I went back 3 times to try it again, which was a pain since it wanted to re download the ramdisk and checkout the packages again |
| 03:47.18 | grepper | there also doesn't seem to be a choice to install in an existing partition that is formatted - it wants to fdisk it, and of course can't if it is in the middle of a disk |
| 03:47.44 | grepper | I found it a bit brain dead , but maybe it was me :) |
| 03:48.04 | illogic-al | sunbx huh? |
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| 03:49.13 | urkle | OK.. I just upgraded to KDE 3.3.2 via kde-rpms and now, kcontrol doesn't work (nothing in the menu on the left) and loading konq config in konq does nothing.. any ideas? |
| 03:49.42 | Sho__ | Hm, are we gonna see some movement in the packages post 3.4, software-wise? I read some people are going to do Noatun 3, isn't that duplication of effort considering we already got popular apps like amaroK, JuK, KMPlayer? |
| 03:50.07 | grepper | I'm going to try again, unfortunately them is no iptables on the install disk, so I can't keep this box connected too |
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| 04:01.28 | grepper | hm, this disk I had is 9.1 - I should be using 9.2 I guess |
| 04:02.59 | Renze | brb |
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| 04:04.54 | grepper | oh, it doesn't seem to matter |
| 04:07.23 | mxcl | Sho__: there is no duplication of effort, these people work on whatever they want to |
| 04:07.40 | mxcl | so yes it is duplication, but nothing will stop it |
| 04:08.32 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:09.05 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:09.08 | Alethes | this song is hilarious |
| 04:09.11 | Alethes | the movie rocked, btw |
| 04:09.15 | Alethes | one of my faves |
| 04:09.23 | Renze | movie? |
| 04:09.35 | Alethes | Oh Brother Where Art Thou |
| 04:09.39 | Alethes | George Clooney |
| 04:09.42 | Renze | oh, haven't seen it |
| 04:09.44 | urkle | great movie |
| 04:09.47 | aseigo | it's pretty good |
| 04:09.59 | urkle | anyone have any ideas about my kcontrol acting "odd"? |
| 04:10.22 | Alethes | aseigo: hehe |
| 04:10.41 | aseigo | urkle: hrm.... have you logged out and back into kde since the upgrade? |
| 04:10.44 | Alethes | apparently george clooney tried to do the singing on the track, but they decided he wasn't good enough |
| 04:10.57 | aseigo | ahahahah |
| 04:11.09 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:11.13 | canllaith | damnit Id ozed off on the couch with the laptop on my stomach |
| 04:11.16 | urkle | aseigo: well I'm using gnome as the main desktop. and there are no KDE processes running currently |
| 04:11.17 | Alethes | I thought he was good in that movie |
| 04:11.25 | canllaith | aseigo: yeah but dude, the man looks amazingly sexy in black lather and celtic tats |
| 04:11.31 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:11.40 | aseigo | urkle: ok... then try running "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" and try again |
| 04:11.52 | canllaith | leather* |
| 04:12.07 | aseigo | canllaith: in what movie was he in black leather with celtic tattoos? |
| 04:12.18 | aseigo | Alethes: then move useless further away.. yeesh! |
| 04:12.19 | canllaith | for the life of me I can't bloody remember can I? |
| 04:12.20 | aseigo | ;-) |
| 04:12.27 | Alethes | aseigo: bwahahaha :P |
| 04:12.47 | aseigo | canllaith: yeah, Mrs. I Never Watch Movies |
| 04:13.01 | aseigo | (which implies you're married to Mr. I Never Watch Movies. bizarre) |
| 04:13.06 | urkle | aseigo: nope.. anyway to turn on more debugging so I can see where it's failing? |
| 04:13.08 | Alethes | heh |
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| 04:13.17 | canllaith | aseigo: I have these friends who go 'Look, you HAVE to watch this one movie/several movies' |
| 04:13.21 | urkle | aseigo: I even purged all KDE temp files too |
| 04:13.30 | canllaith | aseigo: and usually they turn out to be complete crap and I hate them (The movies, not the friends) |
| 04:14.04 | aseigo | urkle: not really. hrm... the issue is that for some reason kde apps can no longer either A) find their control panel .desktop files or B) the libraries those .desktop files point to are No Good |
| 04:14.21 | canllaith | aseigo: wooooooo I love you! *kisses* do you have any idea how much you rock? |
| 04:14.51 | aseigo | urkle: you could try running `kcmshell style` from an xterm/konsole/whatever and see what it says though |
| 04:14.56 | aseigo | canllaith: why, what'd i do this time? |
| 04:15.01 | Alethes | dang aseigo what'd you do that got canllaith all worked up? :) |
| 04:15.02 | canllaith | CVS commit by aseigo: |
| 04:15.03 | canllaith | make sure we don't show a tip if the user just flips in and out of kicker |
| 04:15.09 | aseigo | oh yeah. heh. |
| 04:15.11 | canllaith | :) |
| 04:15.24 | canllaith | I don't even have time to file wishes these days damnit |
| 04:15.34 | canllaith | you just read my damn mind |
| 04:15.41 | aseigo | that was for thiago. he kept claiming there wasn't enough of a time out on the buttons. eventually i got it out of him that it was the "drag over and it appears no matter what" effect that he was moaning about |
| 04:15.58 | aseigo | and by "kept" i mean every day he saw me on irc. which is, well, most days ;-) |
| 04:16.13 | thiago | aham! |
| 04:16.20 | thiago | that was twice I called you |
| 04:16.21 | aseigo | there he is now! |
| 04:16.34 | urkle | aseigo: kcmshell style yeilds "kbuildsyscoca running..." and that's it |
| 04:16.38 | aseigo | thiago: well you konw, when i drink i see double.and when i drink hard is see quadruple. so |
| 04:16.51 | urkle | and " Mutex destroy failure: Device or resource busy" |
| 04:17.01 | urkle | "ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 13300, errno = " |
| 04:17.07 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:17.11 | thiago | aseigo: when you drink hard, can you still read IRC? |
| 04:17.15 | aseigo | thiago: unfortunately |
| 04:17.21 | canllaith | thiago: he can but he can't type it ;) |
| 04:17.23 | thiago | I know typing can be quite an adventure when drunk |
| 04:17.31 | canllaith | thiago: at least, not in any language I understand |
| 04:17.34 | thiago | last time I tried, I got mad at the keyboard |
| 04:17.38 | aseigo | thiago: i have a pending wish for "kdesktoplock asks me if i'm drunk before letting me unlock it" |
| 04:17.39 | Dhraakellian | tupos ate bell |
| 04:17.52 | canllaith | hahaha wasn't that the SAME day you first said that to me? |
| 04:18.01 | aseigo | yep |
| 04:18.11 | aseigo | it's like a trainwreck in slow om |
| 04:18.14 | aseigo | er, slow mo |
| 04:18.21 | Alethes | hahaaha |
| 04:18.23 | aseigo | i can see it comin, but i just... can't...... stop it |
| 04:18.23 | canllaith | foreshadowing!! |
| 04:18.30 | Renze | "walk along this line to unlock your screen" |
| 04:18.44 | aseigo | "Why do you have a USB breathalizer?" |
| 04:18.54 | Alethes | we need a usb breathalyzer |
| 04:19.10 | aseigo | and it can feed into KIMProxy::presence! |
| 04:19.24 | Dhraakellian | ... |
| 04:19.26 | aseigo | aseigo: online (blood alcohol content: .08( |
| 04:19.26 | Alethes | dangit aseigo I got to it 9 secs let :P |
| 04:19.27 | Alethes | late |
| 04:19.44 | aseigo | aseigo: online (smoking: crack) |
| 04:20.31 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 04:21.25 | Dhraakellian | Dhraakellian: online (pleading: the fifth) |
| 04:24.42 | canllaith | make kdesktop lock ask me if I'm conscious before it unlocks |
| 04:24.49 | canllaith | unfortunately my fingers lie |
| 04:27.21 | urkle | hmm. it's hosed as another user too :-( |
| 04:29.05 | aseigo | canllaith: my fingers do the walking |
| 04:30.24 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:30.45 | Dhraakellian | what I should do is have it go to Qwerty and refuse to go to dvorak |
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| 04:31.49 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: you use dvorak? |
| 04:32.51 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:33.05 | canllaith | The scary thing is |
| 04:33.07 | Dhraakellian | asdf: yep |
| 04:33.51 | canllaith | when I'm incapable of typing correctly in IRC |
| 04:33.51 | Dhraakellian | aseigo: yep |
| 04:33.51 | canllaith | I write docbook that validates |
| 04:33.51 | aseigo | i think that says more about dockbook than anything else |
| 04:34.47 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:35.08 | canllaith | yep that a drunk celt with keyboard dyslexia can write better docbook than a sober one.... |
| 04:35.47 | canllaith | that's a worry. I think the only other document that has these unique properties is the sendmail configuration file |
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| 04:39.03 | aseigo | ew. sendmail.cf |
| 04:39.20 | aseigo | further proof that sendmail was written by mutant aliens from the center of the earth |
| 04:39.37 | Paleo | Dhraakellian how is it ? is it really faster |
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| 04:40.21 | Dhraakellian | Paleo: I don't think that increased speed has actually been proven in any unbiased studies, but it is supposed to be more comfortable for english typing |
| 04:40.44 | Paleo | funny |
| 04:40.48 | Dhraakellian | of course, I'm typoing a lot right now because I'm thinking about it |
| 04:40.52 | Paleo | i'll try maybe someday |
| 04:41.03 | Dhraakellian | normally, I don't even pay attention to the keyboard. |
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| 04:41.31 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: how long had you been typing in querty keyboards before switching? |
| 04:41.57 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: I switched during my junior year of high school |
| 04:42.15 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: so how long is that? We don't have junior years and I don't know how old you are =p |
| 04:42.22 | Dhraakellian | 11th grade |
| 04:42.32 | canllaith | I am just wondering if you have been touch typing on a qwerty keyboard for 10 years if dvorak is harder to learn ...... |
| 04:42.48 | Dhraakellian | which would have been... let's see... 01-02 |
| 04:43.13 | Dhraakellian | my first computer experience was probably early 90's |
| 04:43.55 | Dhraakellian | well, maybe earlier with the games on the sony smc-70, but that would still be long before I had any appreciable typing skills |
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| 04:44.31 | Dhraakellian | what's scary is that I was actually a faster typist on my TI-83+SE graphing calc than I was on the computer |
| 04:44.42 | canllaith | I started learning to touch type about 11 years ago |
| 04:44.50 | canllaith | which I think might be a barrier to learning another keyboard layout |
| 04:44.52 | Dhraakellian | (dvorak speed when I was making the switchover) |
| 04:45.16 | Dhraakellian | I think we had a keyboarding class in 6th or 7th grade |
| 04:45.42 | canllaith | mavis beacon :) I think the mac version |
| 04:45.45 | canllaith | that was a cool typing game |
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| 04:48.42 | Dhraakellian | the switch to dvorak probably improved my typing form |
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| 04:49.34 | Dhraakellian | (on the qwerty 'y') |
| 04:49.50 | Dhraakellian | could be worse |
| 04:51.10 | canllaith | I have to really concentrate on some pieces because I was sloppy and got in the habit of wrong fingering - and that kind of muscle memory just sticks and is almost impossible to undo |
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| 04:52.19 | Dhraakellian | (assuming that 1 is down) |
| 04:52.32 | Dhraakellian | when 000 is the better one |
| 04:53.10 | Dhraakellian | but Eb is 010, and F is 100 |
| 04:53.21 | canllaith | Just sucks how easy it is to train yourself into the wrong patterns and how hard it is to untrain :( |
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| 04:53.39 | Dhraakellian | yes, it is fairly difficult |
| 04:54.02 | virgiln | me ydcbto yday ydco t.fxrape co ,.cpe! |
| 04:54.21 | Renze | fx rape? |
| 04:54.23 | virgiln | C ydcbt C-nn oyaf ,cyd ',.pyf |
| 04:54.31 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 04:54.36 | canllaith | he changed his keyboard to dvorak I guess |
| 04:54.42 | Renze | yup :) |
| 04:54.43 | virgiln | ekrptaf co dape C ig.oo! |
| 04:54.44 | Dhraakellian | /mode #kde +qwerty -dvorak virgiln |
| 04:54.50 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:54.51 | Dhraakellian | /mode #kde +qwerty -dvorak virgiln virgiln |
| 04:55.02 | virgiln | ok, lets try this |
| 04:55.06 | virgiln | is this better? |
| 04:55.26 | virgiln | quick encrypting |
| 04:55.34 | virgiln | though hard to decipher |
| 04:55.45 | canllaith | m. o,cyjd.o yr ekrptat |
| 04:55.53 | Dhraakellian | ¨md thinks that this keyboard is weird!¨ |
| 04:55.55 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:56.11 | Dhraakellian | dvorkay is hard I guess |
| 04:56.24 | virgiln | dhrakkellian, I don't think so... |
| 04:56.31 | Venson | dorky is good, though |
| 04:56.36 | virgiln | i think it's easy... just not when you know qwerty |
| 04:56.41 | Dhraakellian | [md ,a; cf;k koal;pgkdoakgslu |
| 04:56.46 | Dhraakellian | erm... |
| 04:56.49 | canllaith | that is very |
| 04:57.03 | canllaith | hapd |
| 04:57.23 | canllaith | frog |
| 04:57.25 | Venson | Dhraakellian used a four letter word :O |
| 04:57.26 | Renze | Venson: just drink lots :) |
| 04:57.29 | Venson | and canllaith too! |
| 04:57.34 | Venson | Renze: riiiight |
| 04:57.48 | Venson | Renze: you dont know that that's how dvorak was created? |
| 04:58.00 | Renze | Venson: I suspected it :) |
| 04:58.08 | Venson | Renze: some dude got wasted and fell asleep on his keyboard..in the middle of the night he got bored and rearranged keys |
| 04:58.11 | Dhraakellian | Venson: huh? |
| 04:58.26 | Venson | Dhraakellian: in dvorak i meant...nevermind. |
| 04:58.29 | canllaith | how the frog does one use this |
| 04:59.04 | canllaith | I think it would be pretty quick to learn if I had a dvorak keyboard with it written on the keys |
| 04:59.09 | virgiln | jabnnacydS Irre 'g.oycrb! |
| 04:59.24 | Venson | canllaith: you put a few little froggies on the keyboard and watch them jump from key to key as they make words |
| 04:59.34 | canllaith | Venson: ahhhhh clever idea! I must remember it |
| 04:59.46 | Venson | canllaith: no problem. don't mention it. |
| 04:59.49 | canllaith | :P |
| 05:00.00 | Venson | canllaith: when i type, my fingers move on the keyboard like drunken chicken |
| 05:00.21 | canllaith | Venson: I must have lived a sheltered life, I don't think I have ever seen drunk chicken |
| 05:00.26 | Venson | there's heavy collisions, intense battle...that rages on for days |
| 05:00.35 | virgiln | jabnnacydS or orppf! |
| 05:00.41 | canllaith | lol |
| 05:00.49 | Venson | canllaith: but of course!...i'll record a video of me typing |
| 05:00.56 | canllaith | :P |
| 05:01.04 | Venson | i'm the dvorak of typing |
| 05:01.05 | Dhraakellian | you people are weird |
| 05:01.05 | virgiln | canlliath=jabnnacyyd |
| 05:01.15 | virgiln | or whatever that word is |
| 05:01.32 | Dhraakellian | not that I´m normal, that is |
| 05:01.41 | Dhraakellian | Hjoaavdppgal |
| 05:01.51 | Venson | yep...gal...that's her |
| 05:02.08 | Dhraakellian | edpaat.nniab |
| 05:02.24 | Venson | that was completely inappropriate and uncalled for |
| 05:02.31 | Venson | bugs bunny has nothing to do with this |
| 05:02.46 | Dhraakellian | Venson: are you alright there? |
| 05:02.53 | Venson | canllaith: for the record, i'm only eating some raisins...i did have tea earlier. |
| 05:02.59 | Venson | Dhraakellian: ^^^^ |
| 05:03.07 | canllaith | ahhhhh |
| 05:03.29 | Venson | anyway... |
| 05:03.31 | Dhraakellian | him = Venson |
| 05:03.42 | canllaith | caffiene .... |
| 05:03.52 | canllaith | darn |
| 05:04.11 | virgiln | !seen Venson |
| 05:04.13 | aptly_ | Venson was last seen 43 seconds ago, saying anyway... |
| 05:04.41 | canllaith | take too long too type! |
| 05:04.53 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.09 | Dhraakellian | !order massive amounts of theobromine |
| 05:06.24 | virgiln | !order many friendly docbookers |
| 05:06.43 | canllaith | lol |
| 05:07.17 | canllaith | i am not friendly enough for you? |
| 05:07.26 | canllaith | damn, this is hard |
| 05:07.36 | virgiln | sorry, feeling kind of cheesy this evening, if I get to be annowing, tell me |
| 05:07.52 | virgiln | well, that wasn't exactly what Imeant... |
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| 05:08.17 | Dhraakellian | Å› |
| 05:08.24 | todesengel | i'm having a weird problem with valknut |
| 05:08.36 | virgiln | like, you're doing great... but you're like asleep while all good people should be working |
| 05:08.39 | virgiln | :S |
| 05:08.49 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: how the heck do you do this? =p |
| 05:08.53 | todesengel | it was working just fine a few days ago, now whenever i open it up, i cant see any text in any of the server boxes |
| 05:08.59 | canllaith | virgiln: huh? |
| 05:09.06 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: practice |
| 05:09.15 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: heh obviously I keep tying the wrong thing to my sister in law |
| 05:09.17 | todesengel | if i delete the .dc folder in my home directory, it works, but only once, then it does it again |
| 05:09.28 | canllaith | Doris & Dave |
| 05:09.28 | canllaith | hei hei |
| 05:09.28 | canllaith | Jessica |
| 05:09.29 | canllaith | dc yd.p.! |
| 05:09.29 | canllaith | Jessica |
| 05:09.30 | todesengel | anyone have any idea whats wrong? |
| 05:09.31 | canllaith | ....l |
| 05:09.34 | virgiln | canllaith: I was just saying that I need help during the day |
| 05:09.42 | Dhraakellian | éŕýúÃóáśĺźćń |
| 05:09.47 | canllaith | ... ok |
| 05:09.49 | virgiln | canllaith: not at night like all you bad guys :) |
| 05:09.55 | canllaith | uh .... huh? |
| 05:09.56 | canllaith | at night? |
| 05:10.49 | todesengel | nobody here uses valknut |
| 05:10.50 | todesengel | ? |
| 05:11.40 | virgiln | todesengel: I don't know what it is... hopefully will son |
| 05:11.44 | virgiln | *soon |
| 05:11.45 | todesengel | direct connect client |
| 05:12.15 | todesengel | another thing: i use gnome, but i have kde libs installed |
| 05:12.33 | canllaith | ah dvorak is designed for english? mmmm |
| 05:12.37 | canllaith | then it might not be so useful |
| 05:12.56 | todesengel | ya, its designed so that the most frequently typed letters are the shortest distance apart |
| 05:12.59 | todesengel | i believe... |
| 05:13.06 | todesengel | in english, that is |
| 05:13.13 | canllaith | I see, which makes it not so useful :) |
| 05:13.45 | Dhraakellian | heh |
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| 05:14.08 | canllaith | virgiln: I think we don't even speak the same language lol. No idea what you're talking about. |
| 05:14.32 | virgiln | canllaith: awwww |
| 05:15.09 | virgiln | btw, mostly what I was saying was... kind of the top of my head, and this... that we need more help down yonder in docs |
| 05:15.15 | canllaith | uh duh :) |
| 05:15.50 | virgiln | !lart canllaith |
| 05:15.59 | canllaith | .... uhuh |
| 05:16.00 | virgiln | canllaith: :) |
| 05:16.10 | sarah03 | Eew. That's evil. |
| 05:16.14 | sarah03 | !lart aptly_ |
| 05:16.25 | Dhraakellian | !praise someone other than canllaith |
| 05:16.31 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:16.32 | Dhraakellian | nm |
| 05:16.35 | canllaith | virgiln: we know the docs team needs more people. We don't have them. Deal with it =p |
| 05:16.54 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: someone other than you got a big cookie instead of the crown and kick |
| 05:17.16 | virgiln | canllaith: truely... it's really alright... but it's fun to make a lot of noise over it |
| 05:17.20 | canllaith | ah, cookies are not all that good ;) I'd rather a nice biscuit. |
| 05:18.02 | aseigo | virgiln: it's even more fun to write docs |
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| 05:18.32 | virgiln | aseigo: hey, you weren't supposed to say that! |
| 05:18.38 | aseigo | canllaith: ssssssssssh. i'm trying to lure virgiln into the land of doc writers |
| 05:19.04 | aseigo | virgiln: i'm often accused of spoiling the party. but it's always for my better good. honest. er.. i mean... for the greater good. |
| 05:19.06 | canllaith | hahahahaha |
| 05:19.10 | canllaith | evil pictsie |
| 05:19.19 | aseigo | oooh! look over there! something shiney! |
| 05:19.27 | virgiln | !slap aseigo |
| 05:19.36 | aseigo | a small chello? ok... |
| 05:19.36 | canllaith | hehehe you butterfly you |
| 05:19.54 | aseigo | virgiln: so .. you gonna be writing docs soon, right? |
| 05:19.57 | virgiln | aseigo: sorry, I'm feeling kind of aggressive tnoight |
| 05:20.07 | virgiln | aseigo: actually, I *am* writing docs |
| 05:20.12 | sarah03 | Ok... I don't have much of a problem with XML... but I can't write documentation for the life of me. :) |
| 05:20.15 | aseigo | virgiln: ah, sweet. |
| 05:20.22 | aseigo | sarah03: hehe.. you must be a programmer. |
| 05:20.57 | sarah03 | aseigo: I'll take your XML docs and turn them into any format you might possibly want them in, but that's mostly a programming task, so... |
| 05:21.01 | sarah03 | :) |
| 05:21.05 | canllaith | aseigo: heh I have noticed some credits to you in the faq |
| 05:21.08 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: tonight? ;) |
| 05:21.30 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: I can't make any judgements about other times |
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| 05:21.48 | Dhraakellian | since I don't know or remember what he's like at other times |
| 05:22.13 | todesengel | anyone have any idea what this error means, regarding failure to read xml formatted files... |
| 05:22.14 | todesengel | CXml::xml_UTF8Toisolat1 error 4 |
| 05:22.17 | virgiln | dhraakellian: I'm the new kid on the block... only been around for a week or two |
| 05:22.24 | marcusU | There's one website that I use a lot for work, and Konqueror/kwallet don't seem to want to recognize it as a login and ask if I want it to remember the info. |
| 05:22.29 | marcusU | Is there a way to force it? |
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| 05:22.34 | virgiln | dhraakellian: but hopefully doing some work |
| 05:22.51 | virgiln | dhraakellian: and sometimes, I feel agressive and start slapping people |
| 05:23.02 | virgiln | dhraakellian: or *something* |
| 05:23.34 | todesengel | anyone on that xml error? |
| 05:23.46 | todesengel | what might cause a failure to read xml files properly? |
| 05:24.22 | sarah03 | todesengel: I can't say anything about the class that's generating the error ['error 4' means nothing], it could be a malformed XML file, or since it looks like it's trying to convert UTF-8 to iso8859-1, it could be encountering a UTF-8 sequence that can't be translated to latin1. |
| 05:24.43 | todesengel | fucking weird.... |
| 05:24.49 | todesengel | why would this have happened all of the sudden... |
| 05:27.40 | aseigo | todesengel: because the Goddess hates you |
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| 05:27.48 | todesengel | it would appear that she does |
| 05:27.57 | todesengel | time to find a new DC client.... |
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| 05:33.22 | Dhraakellian | re |
| 05:33.26 | canllaith | :) |
| 05:33.36 | Renze | :) |
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| 05:34.26 | aseigo | =P |
| 05:34.39 | virgiln | :) |
| 05:35.12 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:35.39 | canllaith | ....... |
| 05:35.50 | Dhraakellian | http://www.sluggy.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=103&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 05:37.32 | canllaith | wow Dhraakellian that's pretty cool |
| 05:38.55 | yeknomizu | Exquisite Dead Guy? |
| 05:40.09 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:41.49 | canllaith | heh - fork assassin ? |
| 05:43.12 | Dhraakellian | <me> So... should I take another piece or should I not? How patient are you people? !;) |
| 05:43.12 | Dhraakellian | <other person>Apparently very, but the miniature fork assassin I sent after you may be indicative of my upper limits ;) |
| 05:43.33 | Dhraakellian | your guess is probably as good as mine |
| 05:43.40 | canllaith | heh ok then |
| 05:45.24 | aseigo | you don't know what a miniature fork assassin is? |
| 05:45.34 | aseigo | they are only the most deadly of the least harmful assasins! |
| 05:45.50 | canllaith | heh |
| 05:46.01 | aseigo | feared in many places, such as Witchataw, they scratch you without mercy with their miniature forks |
| 05:46.42 | aseigo | these forks tend to be made out of such horrifying materials at surgical steel and are often tipped with irritation agents such as vinigar |
| 05:46.51 | aseigo | don't FUCK with the miniature fork assassins! |
| 05:47.02 | canllaith | :o oh no! that would give you a nasty scratch that would sting! |
| 05:47.02 | aseigo | ooh. kicker's done compiling |
| 05:47.06 | canllaith | how devilish! |
| 05:53.48 | Dhraakellian | whichwhat? |
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| 05:53.57 | canllaith | mmm gorgeous piano classical |
| 05:54.11 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 05:54.41 | jjazz | I would like my konqueror browser to display japanese syllables (hiragana and katakana) and kanji. Right now they just show up as blank little boxes. Anybody know how to fix this? Google doesn't turn up much except other people with the problem. |
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| 05:55.07 | canllaith | gday claire :) |
| 05:56.47 | canllaith | :( |
| 05:56.52 | Renze | how rude |
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| 05:57.12 | Dhraakellian | scared her off |
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| 05:57.17 | Dhraakellian | or not |
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| 06:04.29 | rasput|n | have new transparency features been added to newer kde releases? |
| 06:04.54 | canllaith | mmm define 'new transparency features' |
| 06:05.05 | canllaith | if you mean the composite extension, no not yet. |
| 06:05.36 | rasput|n | no... im seeing a lot of screenshots with transparent taskbars and such |
| 06:05.44 | rasput|n | are they just using composit? |
| 06:05.57 | canllaith | They're using pseaudo transparency |
| 06:06.22 | rasput|n | so this is a feature in kde? |
| 06:06.26 | Renze | rasput|n: that's "Taskbar v2" and you can find it on kde-apps.org |
| 06:06.28 | aseigo | er, 3.3.2 |
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| 06:06.39 | canllaith | aseigo: is that the kompose stuff ? |
| 06:06.55 | canllaith | heh |
| 06:06.57 | aseigo | canllaith: no... translucency |
| 06:07.08 | canllaith | very cool. |
| 06:08.17 | rasput|n | hrmm so which is it... taskbar 2 or features addes since 3.3.0? |
| 06:08.29 | Tronic | Any KDevelop gurus around? |
| 06:08.37 | Tronic | I want to use -1x<Tab> +2x<Space> indent on public: private: protected: lines of a class. |
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| 06:10.08 | Tronic | class Foo { |
| 06:10.08 | Tronic | int m_foo; |
| 06:10.08 | Tronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.08 | Tronic | Foo(); |
| 06:10.08 | Tronic | }; |
| 06:10.37 | Tronic | That way. Same style for switch blocks too, of course. |
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| 06:11.50 | aseigo | canllaith: ooooh. i have a new one for the FAQ for you |
| 06:11.56 | canllaith | hit me |
| 06:12.48 | aseigo | canllaith: ok.. moz/firefox allow you to set a set of CSS (userStyle.css or something?) that gets loaded in front of every web pages |
| 06:13.10 | aseigo | canllaith: this allows you to, for instance, not show pictures of a certain size... apparently it's mildly popular amongst the FF crowd these days |
| 06:13.32 | aseigo | canllaith: one of them was asking about it here... turns out konqi's custom CSS support does exactly the same thing |
| 06:13.38 | aseigo | canllaith: might be handy to note that |
| 06:13.53 | canllaith | your wish is my command |
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| 06:23.30 | Flendor | Hello! |
| 06:23.45 | Renze | hola Flendor |
| 06:24.11 | Flendor | Hey there Renze, how goes? |
| 06:24.20 | Renze | it goes... what's the skinny? |
| 06:24.41 | Flendor | D'uh, I forgot her name :) |
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| 06:25.36 | aseigo | twiggy |
| 06:25.57 | Flendor | Hello aseigo! How are you? |
| 06:25.57 | aseigo | or.. kate moss. depending on the generation i suppose =) |
| 06:26.01 | aseigo | Flendor: good. you? |
| 06:26.17 | Renze | calista flockhart? |
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| 06:27.50 | Flendor | Oh, yes REnze :) |
| 06:28.02 | Flendor | I'm very fine aseigo :) |
| 06:28.25 | Flendor | I decided to wait for a bit longer before getting a new video card..I think I will get a PCI-Express one.. |
| 06:29.09 | Flendor | So I'm back in money-saving mode now :) |
| 06:30.34 | Pupeno | Currently Qt provides a DOM-compliant API to manipulate XML, right ? |
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| 06:33.12 | sarah03 | Pupeno: Yes. Just remember s/get//. |
| 06:34.58 | canllaith | heya Flendor :) |
| 06:35.19 | Pupeno | sarah03: s/get// wouldn't change anything in my phrase, what do you mean ? |
| 06:35.47 | sarah03 | Pupeno: 's/get//' means 'remove instances of "get"' |
| 06:35.48 | Flendor | Good morning Canny, how are you? :) |
| 06:36.07 | Pupeno | sarah03: and what does that mean ? |
| 06:36.11 | sarah03 | The DOM API as specified by W3C states, for example, 'getElementById'. |
| 06:36.19 | sarah03 | Qt implements 'elementById'. |
| 06:36.25 | Pupeno | oic... thanks :d |
| 06:36.29 | canllaith | fine, thanks Flendor :) |
| 06:37.07 | Flendor | What do you think about the new PCI-Express cards, canllaith? |
| 06:37.14 | canllaith | damn nice |
| 06:37.39 | Flendor | I want to get an 6600 GT |
| 06:38.06 | Flendor | I'm now deciding between AGP and PCI-E..I think I'll wait and get a PCI-E system. |
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| 06:55.48 | Gokee2 | 104 peaple! Someone will know how to fix my kde :) |
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| 06:59.32 | aseigo | Gokee2: heh. you'll have to tell us how its broken first though |
| 06:59.50 | Gokee2 | I am not in linux now |
| 07:00.14 | Renze | there's something other than linux? :) |
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| 07:01.03 | Gokee2 | But my startx brings me to a screen where I can start windowmaker and a few others but when I do kde it says (can not lock onto core files) or something like that :) |
| 07:01.15 | Gokee2 | Renze, Yes for games |
| 07:01.29 | Gokee2 | And getting adware/spywhere |
| 07:01.36 | Renze | and virii |
| 07:01.44 | Renze | and poor tech support |
| 07:01.47 | Gokee2 | And getting adware/spyware* |
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| 07:01.51 | Gokee2 | Yes that to |
| 07:01.57 | sarah03 | I hate X and fonts. |
| 07:01.59 | canllaith | not all windows tech support is poor.... |
| 07:02.14 | Renze | canllaith: Microsoft tech support is poor :) |
| 07:02.15 | aseigo | sarah03: individually or collectively =) |
| 07:02.16 | Gokee2 | As well as freezing locking up! Lots of good things :) |
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| 07:03.44 | rasput|n | sarah03: having problems? |
| 07:04.13 | sarah03 | Oh, I just got to restart KDE upon trying to add some fonts and get my konsole session [new or existing] to actually take them. |
| 07:04.41 | rasput|n | odd |
| 07:04.54 | rasput|n | i can add new fonts through kde's font manager and i can use them without restarting |
| 07:05.00 | rasput|n | i wonder if the problem is with konsole |
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| 07:05.39 | i0err | rasput : xterm -fn 8x16 |
| 07:06.03 | rasput|n | i0err: ? |
| 07:06.04 | sarah03 | rasput|n: Mm, considering I'm using 3.4b1, and for whatever reason, I couldn't browse to fonts:/ in Konqueror... |
| 07:06.16 | rasput|n | ah |
| 07:06.23 | canllaith | sarah03: I had to restart also after adding fonts on head |
| 07:06.40 | canllaith | although I can brose to fonts:/Personal/ |
| 07:06.53 | sarah03 | I would have been able to get away without actually restarting, all things considered... |
| 07:06.56 | rasput|n | sarah03: kde apps won't let me use smoothansi but other apps will |
| 07:07.16 | sarah03 | Except that anything started via kdeinit didn't want to see the new fonts. |
| 07:07.22 | canllaith | gosh the previews of the fonts are gorgeous |
| 07:08.10 | rasput|n | sarah03: is your system prelinked? |
| 07:08.37 | rasput|n | canllaith: what fonts... i am interested in taking a look |
| 07:09.02 | sarah03 | rasput|n: Part of it... including everything that's not KDE 3.4. |
| 07:09.05 | canllaith | just random TTF fonts I've collected |
| 07:09.36 | rasput|n | sarah03: if you prelink kde you can set it up to not use kdeinit... it improved performance |
| 07:09.42 | rasput|n | at least on my box |
| 07:09.45 | gregday | OT, but... did anyone happen to catch the preview article about "Windows XP Starter Edition"? it's going to be capped at 800x600 max res, and restrict the user to running 3 programs at once. unbelievable. |
| 07:09.57 | sarah03 | I haven't bothered prelinking ~/kde-3.4 yet. |
| 07:09.58 | canllaith | Yes I did see that.. quite a while ago now |
| 07:10.23 | rasput|n | 3.4... is that a cvs release? |
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| 07:10.54 | aseigo | rasput|n: it's a future release currently in cvs |
| 07:11.10 | rasput|n | aseigo: does it use qt 4? |
| 07:11.11 | aseigo | rasput|n: beta1 has been released, though |
| 07:11.13 | sarah03 | No. |
| 07:11.16 | aseigo | rasput|n: no, that would be KDE |
| 07:11.17 | aseigo | er, KDE4 |
| 07:11.22 | sarah03 | rasput|n: It's still using 3.3.3. |
| 07:11.27 | rasput|n | sarah03: mmk |
| 07:12.06 | rasput|n | i'm sort of a bleeding edge kind of guy, does it have any interesting features i might be interested in? |
| 07:12.17 | canllaith | probably lots. |
| 07:12.32 | gregday | i like the systray hiding |
| 07:12.39 | sarah03 | It's... well, slick, to say the least. |
| 07:12.47 | gregday | i wish that could be backported to 3.3 :) there is something like it on kde-apps but it's not the same at all |
| 07:12.48 | rasput|n | i like slick:) |
| 07:12.59 | gregday | system:/ is also quite kickass |
| 07:13.02 | canllaith | The new tooltips rock |
| 07:13.06 | canllaith | oh ? I haven't looked at that one |
| 07:13.16 | rasput|n | no chance that gentoo has a cvs release of kde lol |
| 07:13.28 | canllaith | oh nice |
| 07:13.47 | canllaith | ok that's pretty cool |
| 07:13.50 | gregday | canllaith: you havent? 3.4 has a giant System icon the desktop by default, maybe you need to check it in the kcmodule for it to appear |
| 07:13.55 | sarah03 | rasput|n: Nope; there are CVS ebuilds floating around, but it's not really all that hard to manually build KDE. |
| 07:14.23 | canllaith | gregday: Well it might be on the desktop by default but I have been running head for months... so my personal settings are kinda well customised now |
| 07:14.40 | canllaith | mmm media thinks I have a cdrom and floppy drive. That's a good joke |
| 07:14.59 | rasput|n | sarah03: yeah no problem there. I just feel more comfortable with gentoo having a log of it and being able to manage it that way |
| 07:15.00 | sarah03 | If you're running any relatively recent release right now [any of the 3.3.x series, really], everything should build without too much issue. |
| 07:15.10 | sarah03 | Build it and put it in your home directory. |
| 07:15.21 | canllaith | Or any --prefix that's away from anything else really |
| 07:15.27 | rasput|n | i could modify the current kde ebuilds to use cvs |
| 07:15.44 | canllaith | then it's a simple case of rm -rf and removing the relevant entries in your ld.so.conf and everything is back to normal if you decide that's not for you |
| 07:16.01 | sarah03 | I didn't even bother with ld.so.conf. |
| 07:16.27 | canllaith | i belive the make install process adds entries, although I may be mistaken |
| 07:16.47 | canllaith | building on a machine I don't run it on just means I have to do it manually |
| 07:16.47 | sarah03 | I would imagine that it only does so if you have write access to there. |
| 07:16.54 | canllaith | sarah03: indeed |
| 07:17.05 | canllaith | I'd say that's fairly obvious. |
| 07:17.41 | sarah03 | Since I did the build & install all as my user... I had to 'su -c "chown root.root kde-3.4/bin/kppp; chmod 4711 kde-3.4/bin/kppp"' but that's about it. |
| 07:17.52 | rasput|n | any new styles/decors in the arts package? |
| 07:17.59 | canllaith | phase |
| 07:18.05 | canllaith | for one |
| 07:18.07 | aseigo | doesn't phase me. |
| 07:18.13 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 07:18.33 | aseigo | BOO YAH! |
| 07:18.34 | sarah03 | The only one I've noticed so far is phase, which isn't half bad looking, all things considered. |
| 07:18.37 | sarah03 | I'm still using plastik, though. |
| 07:18.49 | gregday | Lipstik is kickin :) |
| 07:18.50 | canllaith | but yeah, back to plastik now :) |
| 07:19.08 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 07:19.13 | canllaith | you're a menace with a compiler, boy |
| 07:19.17 | gregday | thanks for making the tooltip not appear instantly if you just mouseover :) now i dont hate it |
| 07:19.21 | canllaith | LOL |
| 07:19.23 | sarah03 | I can't believe keramik is still around, though. :) |
| 07:19.36 | canllaith | I know a lot of people who _really_ like keramik :S |
| 07:19.39 | rasput|n | gregday: i am trying lipstik right now |
| 07:19.46 | rasput|n | it's alright but im thinking Plastik may be better |
| 07:19.51 | rasput|n | keramik sucks |
| 07:19.53 | rasput|n | im sorry |
| 07:19.56 | gregday | keramik is a really neat proof of concept of what a KStyle can do, as is baghira... but full time use... No. |
| 07:19.57 | rasput|n | it's too much |
| 07:20.05 | canllaith | No, you're not sorry. If you were, you wouldn't have said it :) |
| 07:20.11 | rasput|n | canllaith: you got me |
| 07:20.34 | rasput|n | anyone notice how most people can tell the difference when you change styles or win decors? |
| 07:20.55 | rasput|n | can = can't |
| 07:21.04 | canllaith | my b/f never used to be able to |
| 07:21.17 | canllaith | gosh he didn't even notice the difference between fonts with and without antialiasing *shudder* |
| 07:21.23 | sarah03 | That's because most of them tend to have similar design constraints. |
| 07:21.34 | sarah03 | Eew. AA makes things look nice. |
| 07:21.46 | rasput|n | what is kdeextragear? |
| 07:21.49 | sarah03 | I wonder how someone could fail to notice stuff being smoother. |
| 07:22.08 | canllaith | sarah03: heh well he notices now alright |
| 07:23.02 | lippel | canllaith: did he use windows before? |
| 07:23.03 | rasput|n | what i love about linux and opensource is that you can choose.... you don't have to use kde/gnome/windowmaker/fluxbox/openbox/fvwm ... it is entirely your choice. |
| 07:23.21 | canllaith | lippel: he used windows on his laptop and slackware linux on his desktop, with xfce4 |
| 07:23.24 | gregday | canllaith: so he's basically like a mac user ;) |
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| 07:23.45 | lippel | when i switched, i was annoyed by the ugly fonts under linux, back in 99. |
| 07:23.51 | canllaith | lippel: mostly because he's not very practiced at rolling his own kernel, and the laptop is quite new and required very new acpi patches and the like. |
| 07:24.01 | canllaith | So I did it for him and he's much happier now all the machines are linux |
| 07:24.42 | sarah03 | For the longest time you couldn't get me off of a text-mode console. |
| 07:24.45 | canllaith | oh and aseigo you just about have him convinced to start using cvs head |
| 07:24.59 | rasput|n | for the longest time... good billy joel song |
| 07:25.15 | sarah03 | [The SUN12x22 font on an 1152x864 framebuffer looks pretty damn good, all things considered.] |
| 07:25.53 | rasput|n | i used console for my first 2 years of linux because trident drivers were not available for X |
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| 07:26.08 | canllaith | and console makes you _so_ much l33t3r :) |
| 07:26.33 | sarah03 | I tended more towards the console for the first 4 years I used linux because, well, I couldn't find any GUI environment that I actually liked. |
| 07:27.44 | sarah03 | Of course... I used to sit down in front of a Mac and try to find the commandline. |
| 07:27.59 | aseigo | canllaith: huzzah. |
| 07:27.59 | rasput|n | sarah03: now they have one:) |
| 07:28.13 | bietch | its so hard to draw in pc |
| 07:28.16 | bietch | arr.. |
| 07:28.27 | bietch | later my eyes will blind |
| 07:28.31 | aseigo | rasput|n: god does mac terminal suck |
| 07:28.35 | aseigo | bietch: lol |
| 07:28.36 | rasput|n | aseigo: hrmm... am i about to get some surprised with kde 3.3.91? |
| 07:28.52 | aseigo | rasput|n: what do you mean? |
| 07:28.56 | aseigo | oh. the kicker |
| 07:28.58 | sarah03 | What sort of suprises? |
| 07:29.05 | aseigo | no. that was just to test the new kicker crash recovery |
| 07:29.11 | aseigo | which is only testable if kicker crashes |
| 07:29.11 | rasput|n | like hardcore crashing? |
| 07:29.22 | aseigo | so i had it committing sepuku on the minute every minute |
| 07:29.28 | rasput|n | oh |
| 07:29.29 | aseigo | works rather well =) |
| 07:29.34 | rasput|n | aseigo: are you a developer? |
| 07:29.57 | aseigo | rasput|n: yerp. gg:aseigo |
| 07:30.07 | sarah03 | aseigo: Having fun inside of code for a timer event that tries dereferencing NULL? *grin* |
| 07:31.03 | aseigo | sarah03: pretty much. for some reason that wasn't working reliably enough (stupid suse) and so i progressed to memsetting a few KB of RAM to 1 |
| 07:31.19 | aseigo | sarah03: which would clobber something eventually and lead to a great death |
| 07:31.49 | sarah03 | And here I was thinking that dereferencing NULL would lead to a SEGV. |
| 07:31.51 | canllaith | aseigo: huzzah! and I bet it crashes even faster! |
| 07:31.51 | aseigo | not that it was slow befor eor anything |
| 07:31.56 | bietch | hmm people..where can i find the icon gallery on the net ? |
| 07:31.57 | sarah03 | How silly of me. :) |
| 07:31.57 | aseigo | canllaith: heheh... |
| 07:32.35 | aseigo | sarah03: interestingly.. i tried strlen(0); char* foo = 0; strlen(foo); etc.... it's almost like glibc has become smarter about null pointers -( |
| 07:32.46 | aseigo | i was starting to think "what the FUCK can i do to crash this thing?" |
| 07:32.50 | sarah03 | char* foo = 0; *foo = 1; |
| 07:32.55 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 07:32.55 | aseigo | funny how when you try and crash something it doesn't like it |
| 07:33.04 | aseigo | god damned computers never cooperate |
| 07:33.19 | canllaith | aseigo: ah you should have just got me to write it, it would crash very reliably for you I'm sure :P |
| 07:33.23 | aseigo | sarah03: yep... char* foo = 0; memset(foo, 1, 1000000); |
| 07:33.27 | gregday | aseigo: use XP for a month |
| 07:33.30 | rasput|n | -mcpu=athlon-xp -O3 -pipe, -O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe <--- what is the difference? |
| 07:33.41 | canllaith | Actually XP doesn't crash here gregday ...... :) |
| 07:33.55 | canllaith | I mean, we don't get 300 day uptime out of it but it certainly doesn't crash. |
| 07:33.58 | aseigo | rasput|n: -02 vs -03? ;-P |
| 07:34.03 | aseigo | march implies mcpu |
| 07:34.06 | gregday | but it's so limited |
| 07:34.21 | canllaith | Yes, but limited is not automatically equal to crashing lol |
| 07:34.50 | aseigo | when XP first came out, i swear it was alergic to me |
| 07:35.00 | sarah03 | gregday: The only time I use XP is when I have reason to go use my mom's system, at which point I'm opening up PuTTY to log into my system and kill something off because it's fucking with the rest of my system. |
| 07:35.02 | aseigo | i went to computer stores to try it out and i'd use it for a few minutes and poof |
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| 07:35.13 | aseigo | so i figured "stupid computer store morons" and went to a friends office... ditto |
| 07:35.19 | sarah03 | lol |
| 07:35.28 | aseigo | my aura it did not like |
| 07:36.54 | bietch | can i insert *png using KolourPaint ? |
| 07:37.06 | rasput|n | what is dnssd? |
| 07:37.36 | gregday | rasput|n: implementation of ZeroConf (or "Rendezvous" as Apple calls it) |
| 07:37.48 | rasput|n | should i care about it? |
| 07:37.58 | gregday | zero-config networking spec. really neat. automatic discovery of services |
| 07:37.58 | i0err | yeah, make a nice ruby app |
| 07:38.05 | i0err | give a shit |
| 07:38.27 | i0err | sorry, Im going to bed now :P |
| 07:41.21 | lauri | aseigo: I reckon it was the evil lapcat fur |
| 07:41.58 | aseigo | lauri: likely =) |
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| 07:43.02 | lauri | got a nice ungeeky tan? or did you spend your trip in geeky conference halls n' things |
| 07:43.07 | lauri | oh, banana bread sounds good |
| 07:43.26 | aseigo | i haven't been yet |
| 07:43.28 | aseigo | that's next week |
| 07:43.34 | sarah03 | lauri: *nods* :) |
| 07:43.42 | sarah03 | My mom makes good food. |
| 07:43.56 | lauri | oh heh |
| 07:43.58 | aseigo | sarah03: send your mom, or at least her baked goods, here =P |
| 07:44.10 | canllaith | aseigo: what about your neighbour? |
| 07:44.11 | lauri | silly me |
| 07:44.15 | lauri | nah, I saw her first |
| 07:44.26 | aseigo | canllaith: she borrowed my cat the other day |
| 07:44.29 | aseigo | canllaith: for company |
| 07:44.32 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 07:44.37 | aseigo | canllaith: she's scaring me more and more. |
| 07:44.44 | lauri | man, that's a whole new kind of weird |
| 07:44.48 | canllaith | were you a party to the borrowing, or did it just occur? |
| 07:45.01 | gregday | she stole my heart, and my cat |
| 07:45.04 | aseigo | no. she knocked on the door and asked if she could borrow one of my cats |
| 07:45.13 | sarah03 | *blink* |
| 07:45.15 | aseigo | i said, "oh, do you have little furry visitors you need taking care of?" |
| 07:45.15 | sarah03 | That's odd. |
| 07:45.21 | Renze | gregday: So I Married An Axe Murderer |
| 07:45.28 | gregday | Renze: im glad you got that :) |
| 07:45.47 | aseigo | she looks at me and kind of blinks, "no. i just want some company. i was hoping i could borrow one of your cats." |
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| 07:46.02 | aseigo | to make it really funny, peyton came up and said, "You can have Toes!" |
| 07:46.14 | aseigo | now, toes is the fat unsociable cat who hates people. peyton included |
| 07:46.19 | aseigo | heh |
| 07:46.32 | aseigo | "here, have the shitty cat. we don't like him and he don't like us." |
| 07:46.33 | rasput|n | my cat is insane |
| 07:46.39 | canllaith | hahah |
| 07:46.41 | canllaith | he's your son alright |
| 07:46.52 | rasput|n | it nuzzles up against your face and then when you are not expecting it... he bites you right on the nose |
| 07:46.54 | aseigo | i laughed then explained why i laughed, and then went and got Persia for her |
| 07:47.03 | aseigo | rasput|n: yeah, that's a cat |
| 07:47.04 | rasput|n | and not like a soft bite he tries to take a damn chunk out of you |
| 07:47.20 | Renze | rasput|n: got a taste for human flesh? |
| 07:47.20 | aseigo | canllaith: yep. takes after his parents in so many ways. |
| 07:47.23 | sarah03 | My cat is ... er, doesn't leave a mess, doesn't tear up the furniture, doesn't need to be fed ... oh, did I mention I don't have a cat? |
| 07:47.30 | aseigo | sarah03: pffft |
| 07:47.41 | MrGrim | what the default key binding to close a tab in kde? |
| 07:47.51 | canllaith | ctl w ? |
| 07:48.21 | MrGrim | danke |
| 07:48.26 | canllaith | bitte |
| 07:48.32 | sarah03 | I live with my mom and 2 brothers, and I'm not about to get a cat and have it in a house with both of my brothers and all of their various friends who wander over; nor do I think my mom would be terribly happy with the house smelling like cat. |
| 07:49.07 | rasput|n | sarah03: train it |
| 07:49.17 | rasput|n | and it can go outside... and nothing will smell like "cat" |
| 07:49.41 | canllaith | cats being in general very clean and nice smelling apart from the litter boxes |
| 07:49.55 | sarah03 | rasput|n: No outdoor pets, here. |
| 07:51.04 | sarah03 | And while, yes, they're generally very clean, I still have the problem of 2 younger brothers. :) |
| 07:51.22 | lauri | I do not really get cats |
| 07:51.26 | lauri | which is ok, they do not really get me |
| 07:51.44 | sarah03 | And training brothers... well, yeah. Not happening. |
| 07:52.23 | lauri | so we have an understanding with my mother in laws cats, I will occasionally throw the tinfoil ball, and rescue them from my dog who insists on cleaning their ears, and they will limit their attentions upon me to winding themselves in little cat eights around my feet |
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| 07:54.08 | lauri | my dog on the other hand, adoooooores cats, she likes to get 'em and hug 'em and hold 'em down and bath them, and boy do they not like that |
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| 07:54.36 | lauri | I figure if they're dumb enough to get caught by the big lumbering monster woofer, they must *need* their ears cleaning |
| 07:54.42 | aseigo | i can so see you with a cat eight around your feet |
| 07:54.52 | lauri | so i only rescue 'em after they've been nicely washed |
| 07:54.55 | aseigo | and looking down and going, "what are you doing?" |
| 07:55.05 | canllaith | lauri: does kajsa like cute rabbits/cats ? I have pics of a cat playing with a rabbit (nicely) from my friends place. |
| 07:55.06 | sarah03 | I can't say I'd mind that right now. I'd have warm feet. |
| 07:55.07 | lauri | it's more like "I am so not picking you up" |
| 07:55.31 | lauri | I think all cats inherently speak olde english or something |
| 07:55.42 | lauri | I once spent five minutes telling my m-i-l's cat "go away, bugger off" |
| 07:55.50 | lauri | I said "get thee hence" and off it went |
| 07:55.53 | canllaith | this cat is not always so nice. It likes to sit by the finches cage, and tap the side of it's cage, watching them intently |
| 07:56.01 | aseigo | nah... there's something i heard once about the diff between cats and gdogs that's so true... |
| 07:56.08 | lauri | canllaith: my dog would probably try to wash the finches too |
| 07:56.32 | canllaith | lauri: heh! Poor little finches would die of a heart attack |
| 07:56.32 | aseigo | "when you call a dog it comes running and happy. when you call a cat, it takes a message and gets back to you. maybe." |
| 07:56.47 | aseigo | lauri: yoru dog's a bit OCD ? |
| 07:56.58 | lauri | it's a livestock guardian thing - there's a story about one of these guys herding up a bunch of fuzzy caterpillars in the back yard and babysitting them in safety from the ducks for a week until they made chrysalises) |
| 07:57.15 | sarah03 | Dogs are obedient, and happy to be such. Cats expect you to be obedient, and aren't happy if you aren't obedient for them. |
| 07:57.36 | Renze | people own dogs... cats own people |
| 07:57.43 | sarah03 | Yup. |
| 07:57.53 | lauri | well, that's the other livestock guardian trait, apart from wanting to look after everything in sight, they don't know from obedience and really couldn't give a flying crap if you give them an order |
| 07:58.08 | canllaith | Renze: I think your cat has been walking on your keyboard while you sleep (or does he sleep elsewhere in the house?) |
| 07:58.09 | lauri | so they're sort of a cross between a nanny and a cat, dressed up in big fluffy dog suits |
| 07:58.24 | Renze | canllaith: he sleeps elsewhere in the house |
| 07:58.34 | Renze | canllaith: perhaps I sleep-type? |
| 07:58.37 | canllaith | Renze: perhaps you do |
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| 07:58.50 | Skiver | hi guys |
| 07:58.54 | Renze | I do leave the window open... |
| 07:59.06 | Renze | but the cat can't reach that one |
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| 07:59.21 | carsten | Guten Morgen |
| 08:00.08 | Renze | guten abend |
| 08:00.38 | canllaith | :| wow is konqueror messed up |
| 08:00.44 | canllaith | it's now decided a folder is a html document |
| 08:00.58 | rasput|n | canllaith: hrmm... how does it go about that? |
| 08:01.02 | canllaith | lauri: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/cat/ |
| 08:01.10 | canllaith | rasput|n: by having ridiculously fragile file associations |
| 08:01.47 | gregday | am i the only one who thinks magic detection should be the default for file association, then file extensions next? or is that too much overhead |
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| 08:02.02 | Flendor | Hello again. |
| 08:02.59 | lauri | gregday: please yes go read the xdg threads about mime type detection, I assume the decisions weren't made randomly |
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| 08:03.29 | lauri | didn't the rabbit object? |
| 08:03.33 | Flendor | Hello markey |
| 08:03.39 | gregday | as with all things in kde, make it a user option! :P |
| 08:03.43 | canllaith | lauri: it doesn't mind in the slightest and keeps coming back for more |
| 08:03.48 | markey | morning |
| 08:04.10 | lauri | oh yeah, that's definitely going to happen |
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| 08:05.15 | lauri | canllaith: the kittywasher: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/Lina/dandeliondog |
| 08:05.51 | lauri | and vs the short kid: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/album11 |
| 08:05.55 | canllaith | :| |
| 08:06.07 | lauri | heh |
| 08:06.19 | canllaith | there are days when I hate kde heh |
| 08:06.33 | canllaith | I just keep using it cause I hate it less than the alternatives:P |
| 08:06.56 | lauri | so wipe out your user mimetypes, so you can look at cute pictures of my kid and dog :) |
| 08:07.59 | canllaith | awwww heh |
| 08:08.15 | canllaith | so cute :) |
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| 08:10.06 | sarah03 | Awww... |
| 08:12.28 | Flendor | I think I'm going to look at those pictures too :) |
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| 08:12.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | hi there \o |
| 08:13.16 | carsten | moin |
| 08:13.55 | [Aura]kingwanja | I thought of an idea |
| 08:14.27 | [Aura]kingwanja | dont know if it sounds silly or not though |
| 08:14.48 | Flendor | Teehee, the kid looks really small near the dog :) |
| 08:15.23 | [Aura]kingwanja | :\ |
| 08:16.10 | lauri | they're best buddies, I think the short kid thought she was a dog until she was about 4 |
| 08:17.34 | carsten | [Aura]kingwanja, and that is? |
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| 08:18.54 | aseigo | lauri: she (the kid) looks like you =) |
| 08:19.04 | lauri | heh |
| 08:19.17 | aseigo | lauri: i can see you in her face.. quite cute =) |
| 08:19.20 | lauri | not anywhere near as much as her big sister does (well, like me at her age :) |
| 08:19.28 | lauri | especially in a tiara |
| 08:20.05 | [Aura]kingwanja | well i was thinking of a voice that will activate that will let the user know where the mouse pointer is on the screen .... for blind people ... if the pointer was in the middle for example the voice will say "centre" and if the pointer is in the address bar for example the voice will activate "Address bar - Click to activate" |
| 08:20.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | so the voice is just letting the user know where the pointer is on the screen |
| 08:21.16 | aseigo | [Aura]kingwanja: there's a framework called atk/spi that provides audio feedback for what's on screen |
| 08:21.32 | [Aura]kingwanja | sorry for the way i think , I do think like this sometimes :( |
| 08:21.46 | aseigo | no, it's a fine idea |
| 08:22.00 | aseigo | good enough that someone already thought about it and has implemented a solution around it =) |
| 08:22.12 | [Aura]kingwanja | thats good |
| 08:22.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | because im applying for a job as an assistant IT trainer for disabled , so im thinking like this atm |
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| 08:23.53 | aseigo | [Aura]kingwanja: ah.. very cool.. there's a kde-accessability project ... they have a mailing list and a website. if you're using or wanting to use KDE in your role there, please feel free to engage the people there |
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| 08:25.20 | lauri | aseigo: Sam (aka the long kid) (w/ tiara) http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/The-Girls,-November-2003/PIC00024 and a recent one of Kajsa: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/album70/pic00023_002 |
| 08:25.35 | Skiver | does the font installer in kde work ? |
| 08:25.42 | aseigo | Skiver: yes |
| 08:26.07 | aseigo | Skiver: unless your nick rhymes with diver. in which case it's programmed to fail innexplicably. |
| 08:26.23 | [Aura]kingwanja | yes sure , ive come across it through searching the sites and stuff , im pretty new to linux and stuff but i want to try and sell kde development as part of my approach if im to get through to the interview process |
| 08:26.24 | aseigo | (this is what we call "integration") |
| 08:26.27 | canllaith | Yes!!! |
| 08:27.01 | aseigo | kajsa cute =) |
| 08:27.14 | aseigo | er, insert a "'s" in there somewhere |
| 08:27.23 | aseigo | lauri: oh please continue for as long as you wish =) |
| 08:27.30 | lauri | LOL |
| 08:28.24 | Flendor | lauri - I love White Tigers :D |
| 08:28.33 | lauri | kitties so big even my dog wouldn't wanna wash 'em: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09?page=11 |
| 08:28.38 | Flendor | I would be quite happy if you posted some pics of them.. |
| 08:28.51 | lauri | (and those are not zoomed, you can see by the one of the paw, I really was that close, he was sleeping right up against the glass) |
| 08:29.06 | Flendor | Is that your kid on the tiger?? |
| 08:29.15 | lauri | yes, but *that* one is not a real one :) |
| 08:29.36 | Flendor | Oh. LOL |
| 08:29.51 | Renze | meow |
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| 08:30.02 | Flendor | I really don't think most Siberian Tigers are friendly enough to let a girl sit astride and pull his ears :) |
| 08:30.48 | lauri | cheetahs: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09?page=10 |
| 08:30.49 | Flendor | Hey Renze :) |
| 08:30.49 | Renze | hey Flendor :) |
| 08:30.49 | canllaith | dunno, kajsa IS pretty cute |
| 08:30.49 | canllaith | even those kitties might humour her |
| 08:30.53 | Flendor | canllaith - Hehe, who knows they might :) |
| 08:31.07 | lauri | I do have one of her riding a moose |
| 08:31.13 | lauri | not scanned though |
| 08:31.30 | Herodes | my ask is: I used kde 3.0 with my debian woody, and mouse never went wrong. I changed to Sarge, and kde3.4 Since that day, when my window-manager(gdm) start , when i come in into kde, my mouse is dead.it cant be moved. i tried change devic from /dev/psaux inti /dev/input/mice, but mouse goes on wrong. My mouse is ps/2. Any help, my friends? |
| 08:31.31 | Flendor | lauri - I don't like the ideas of cheetahs in cages.. I mean, they can run at 90 km/hour, but they just cannot run inside a cage, even a large one.. |
| 08:31.54 | lauri | it's a *very* large cage, specially designed for them |
| 08:31.54 | Flendor | Herodes, perhaps you could run xorgconfig again* |
| 08:31.55 | Flendor | ? |
| 08:32.16 | Flendor | Oh. That's nice then. I hope they put something to chase for in those cages :) |
| 08:32.19 | lauri | (and they're sprinters, they dont' run *far* and accelerate quickly (I bugged a zoo dude until he answered all my questions) |
| 08:32.30 | lauri | well, it is next to the antelopes |
| 08:32.35 | Flendor | Hehehe |
| 08:32.48 | Herodes | Flendor, xorgconfig?? |
| 08:32.52 | canllaith | lauri ! What is this http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00015_003 |
| 08:33.03 | Flendor | I even played a game where you run a Dinosaur Zoo-Park.. |
| 08:33.07 | lauri | and goes up in back of all the other cat cages (actually the entire cat complex is about 2 acres, and divided up by gates, they can rearrange it at will |
| 08:33.16 | Flendor | Herodes - It's the only thing I can think of :/ |
| 08:33.16 | Renze | canllaith: Red Panda |
| 08:33.23 | canllaith | it's so pretty |
| 08:33.29 | Renze | they live in trees |
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| 08:33.56 | Flendor | Hehe, his ears are pretty cute :) |
| 08:34.04 | Herodes | Flendor, whats it? |
| 08:34.19 | Herodes | i never heard it |
| 08:34.26 | lauri | but the part you can see in the cheetah photos are only a small fraction of the area they have (and we were lucky that day, they can very easily hide for days and not be seen, but they were out sunning themselves and pacing that day) |
| 08:34.52 | Flendor | Herodes, well, switch outside of X, log in console as root, and run xorgconfig |
| 08:34.53 | canllaith | crap found more british spelling damnit |
| 08:35.05 | Flendor | It will ask questions about your mouse, keyboard, monitor and video card |
| 08:35.09 | canllaith | lol I should just write a bloody perl script that goes through after i write something to s/colour/color/ |
| 08:35.10 | Flendor | It might help with the problem |
| 08:35.31 | lauri | heh, canllaith you did pick the photo he was about to take a pee |
| 08:35.37 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 08:35.46 | Renze | peeing red panda? |
| 08:35.54 | Flendor | I like wriing them as "colour, honour, center" etc. |
| 08:36.00 | Flendor | I like British spellings |
| 08:36.04 | canllaith | centre .... |
| 08:36.05 | Herodes | Flendor, is it for debian?? |
| 08:36.22 | Flendor | Herodes , It's for every distribution that uses XOrg |
| 08:36.29 | canllaith | oh nice andrew is making dinner :) |
| 08:36.34 | Flendor | Though I'm not sure if Debian uses XOrg.. :/ |
| 08:36.42 | Flendor | You might want to ask that in #debian, perhaps? |
| 08:36.45 | lauri | I'm thinking this could double as the kde developers gallery |
| 08:36.48 | Herodes | ok |
| 08:36.49 | canllaith | (frozen crumbed fish and a thrown together salad but hey! I am not complaining) |
| 08:37.05 | Flendor | centre is british? humm, I guess I've forgotten a lot :) |
| 08:37.10 | aseigo | crumbed? |
| 08:37.14 | aseigo | breaded? |
| 08:37.16 | canllaith | I'm not sure... I THINK that's how I got taught to spell it |
| 08:37.17 | Flendor | canllaith - Any chips? |
| 08:37.18 | canllaith | aseigo: aye |
| 08:37.21 | lauri | kde developer on the hunt for coffee: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00021 |
| 08:37.23 | canllaith | Flendor: mmm we have new potatoes maybe |
| 08:37.26 | aseigo | canllaith: they call it crumbed there? |
| 08:37.31 | Renze | aseigo: yes |
| 08:37.49 | Flendor | I tasted Fish&Chips in a Fisher King restaurant once, and loved it immensely. |
| 08:37.52 | aseigo | lauri: hahahaha.. |
| 08:38.00 | Flendor | I sometimes still eat it at McDonalds :) |
| 08:38.00 | canllaith | aseigo: um.... well .... |
| 08:38.10 | Renze | ew. maccas is wrong |
| 08:38.11 | Flendor | Hmm...This gave me an idea on what I should have for lunch today :) |
| 08:38.21 | canllaith | aseigo: I'm not sure. Define 'there' |
| 08:38.37 | canllaith | I have picked up 'crumbed fish' somewhere in australia, NZ, indonesia or papua new guinea..... |
| 08:38.38 | lauri | akademy hackfest, 3 am: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00029 |
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| 08:38.53 | canllaith | where? Well, that's anyones guess |
| 08:39.09 | Renze | it's definitely called "crumbed" in NZ |
| 08:39.12 | canllaith | hahaha what are those things lauri? |
| 08:39.20 | canllaith | ok well I guess that's where I got it from :) |
| 08:39.23 | lauri | zebra mongoose :) |
| 08:39.27 | canllaith | wow |
| 08:39.40 | lauri | they have a bazillion of them, and they sleep in little piles in the sun |
| 08:39.42 | aseigo | lauri: ahahahahha |
| 08:39.51 | Flendor | Hey they're cute :) |
| 08:39.53 | canllaith | I have the most awsome photographs of peacocks and stuff |
| 08:40.02 | aseigo | KDE's own army of zebra coding mongooses |
| 08:40.06 | canllaith | unfortunately they are on the memory card I left at bruce's place |
| 08:40.12 | Flendor | I always imagined mongooses as large animals, like mooses.. |
| 08:40.12 | lauri | dirk hunting who broke the icecream server: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00008_001 |
| 08:40.15 | canllaith | so I have to wait till the next time I go to wellington |
| 08:40.20 | lauri | heh, no, they're about cat size |
| 08:40.34 | Flendor | Perhaps I got confused with the name :) |
| 08:40.40 | canllaith | that is a gorgeous photo :) |
| 08:40.53 | canllaith | love the licking it's lips.... you can just imagine it's eaten something really cute and fluffy eh |
| 08:41.21 | Flendor | That's a Leopard, no? |
| 08:41.27 | lauri | kde developer who thinks he heard someone offering up food: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00023_001 |
| 08:41.57 | lauri | yes that's a leopard (and the turkey one, a: I have no idea why there is a turkey in the zoo, and b: he's got his head cocked like that because the tigers were roaring) |
| 08:42.02 | Flendor | It looks like a vulture, but has webbed feet.. |
| 08:42.21 | Flendor | Oh. Yay for Turkey! :D |
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| 08:43.16 | lauri | the graduates of the ossi school of hairdressing: http://www.fruitsalad.org/gallery/2004-09/pic00011_002 |
| 08:43.34 | aseigo | http://www.securityfocus.com/news/10271 <-- damn |
| 08:43.36 | Flendor | "In meinem Himmel, gibt es keinen Gott"..That's pretty good as Rammstein lyrics go.. |
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| 08:45.19 | Flendor | Hello Venson |
| 08:45.26 | Venson | hello Flendor |
| 08:45.49 | Flendor | "In my Heaven there is no God".. |
| 08:46.07 | Venson | isn't that a pity....is he on vacation in NZ? |
| 08:46.08 | Flendor | How's it going, Venson? |
| 08:46.10 | canllaith | 'undergound IRC chat rooms' ? |
| 08:46.20 | Venson | Flendor: getting by ..and you? |
| 08:46.34 | Flendor | I think he may be on vacation somewhere in Germany, given some German guys are singing that song :) |
| 08:46.39 | Flendor | I'm pretty fine :) |
| 08:46.40 | Venson | canllaith: #graveyard, yeah |
| 08:47.01 | Venson | ahh...Germany...is it beer festival already? |
| 08:47.02 | Flendor | Well, that's not on this server. |
| 08:47.22 | Flendor | Beer fastival? Where? |
| 08:47.24 | Flendor | Oh my.. |
| 08:47.25 | Venson | canllaith: i swear the tea's worn it...most of it :$ |
| 08:47.37 | canllaith | Venson: lol you're adorable when you're high |
| 08:47.46 | Venson | Flendor: that's where the old dog would've gone, right? |
| 08:47.56 | gregday | Flendor: optical mouse? |
| 08:48.05 | Flendor | Nope, ball-mouse |
| 08:48.15 | Venson | canllaith: shh...don't use words like "high"...people will misunderstand. It's only tea leaves. Not ones with some three leaves or anything |
| 08:48.19 | Flendor | I gotta make tea for my boss and some soup for myself, brb |
| 08:48.27 | Venson | Flendor's got mouse with balls |
| 08:48.43 | Renze | my mouse is fixed... it lacks balls |
| 08:48.59 | canllaith | heh nice |
| 08:49.16 | gregday | my optical mouse's sensor looks like female parts...i mean... if they glowed bright red |
| 08:49.18 | canllaith | I moved my tft downstairs last night and put it on the kitchen bench, plugged it into the router to watch monty python on |
| 08:49.19 | Venson | canllaith: what're you up to today? Which part of the KDE world are you saving, Miss? |
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| 08:49.34 | Venson | gregday: 0.0 |
| 08:49.40 | canllaith | Venson: lol don't you mean, who is trying to save what part of the KDE world from me ? |
| 08:49.55 | Venson | canllaith: nope..i think i got it just right...for once :D |
| 08:49.56 | canllaith | at any rate andrew thinks the tft looks cool there and is going to buy one for the router. Yay! |
| 08:50.15 | Venson | the linux adobe reader looks promising, btw....can't wait for them to release a shiny rpm for me |
| 08:50.22 | canllaith | mmm I must check it out |
| 08:50.27 | gregday | go kpdf go |
| 08:50.28 | canllaith | although kpdf rocks that much harder |
| 08:50.42 | Venson | canllaith: it's in beta right now and not open to public...but...if you want... |
| 08:50.56 | canllaith | Venson: :D |
| 08:51.12 | Venson | kpdf i've used a few times...but i never completely liked it. would be nice if it were likeable to me. |
| 08:51.23 | gregday | Venson: used the new one yet? |
| 08:51.30 | canllaith | Venson: the version in cvs is fantastic, you'll be glad when you see it |
| 08:51.37 | Venson | gregday: "new" = HEAD ? |
| 08:51.40 | gregday | Venson: yeah |
| 08:51.45 | Venson | canllaith: yay...i look forward to it for sure |
| 08:51.58 | gregday | Venson: well, the experimental just replaced the previous one in head a few days ago |
| 08:51.59 | Venson | gregday: nope...i use 3.3.2 yet...so i'll have to wait :) |
| 08:52.10 | gregday | Venson: http://seraphim.ecsis.net/~gregday/screenshots/kpdf.jpg |
| 08:52.13 | Venson | ah i see |
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| 08:52.53 | Venson | does it incorporate text searching? |
| 08:53.29 | gregday | yep |
| 08:53.56 | canllaith | it is quite good :) I am impressed |
| 08:54.16 | gregday | does KPDF honor the DRM in some files? |
| 08:54.26 | gregday | like "no you may not print" or "no you may not copy text" |
| 08:54.33 | Venson | canllaith: i'll defly take your word for it. |
| 08:54.39 | gregday | im sure there's no reason for it to, just curious |
| 08:54.50 | Venson | i remember its default keybindings not being so friendly... |
| 08:55.12 | gregday | Venson: this is a totally new app though |
| 08:55.50 | Venson | gregday: really? that's great, then...i look forward to using it whenever it is released as stable |
| 08:56.02 | gregday | i was reading a pdf on my powerbook with preview.app, and i wanted to send an interesting paragraph to a friend, so rather than type it all and email it, i highlighted it and went to Copy, and it freaking wouldn't allow me to. i nearly threw up |
| 08:56.56 | Venson | ew |
| 08:57.05 | gregday | that is just *stupid* |
| 08:57.10 | aseigo | gregday: afaik, no |
| 08:57.10 | gregday | so i typed it all back out myself |
| 08:57.19 | aseigo | (to kpdf honouring the drm bits) |
| 08:57.34 | aseigo | and yes, this is why Apple is no better than any other of the Nasty Companies of Technology |
| 08:57.37 | gregday | aseigo: yeah it would be kind of pointless and just piss people off and bring about a fork anyway |
| 08:57.42 | gregday | aseigo: yep. |
| 08:57.43 | canllaith | gosh darn it |
| 08:57.44 | Venson | gregday: does it have the "continuous" view? |
| 08:57.54 | canllaith | what the smeg ist he shortcut for incremental search in emacs again? |
| 08:57.54 | aseigo | it really pisses me off to see Open Source types so apple-friendly. |
| 08:58.00 | gregday | Venson: you mean like all pages in one long scrolling list? |
| 08:58.09 | aseigo | canllaith: three times more keys than it needs to be?;- |
| 08:58.17 | Venson | gregday: yeah...i almost always prefer that |
| 08:58.20 | canllaith | aseigo: heh amen to that |
| 08:58.21 | gregday | aseigo: i love apple hardware and i think it's neat that they support the standards that they do, but that's about it. |
| 08:58.26 | gregday | Venson: yep it's an option |
| 08:58.36 | Venson | gregday: if i'm at the bottom of one page, and i press down again, it should go to the next page |
| 08:58.41 | Venson | earlier kpdf wouldn't do that |
| 08:58.52 | Venson | or maybe there's an option...i haven't used it extensively |
| 08:58.53 | gregday | Venson: yeah, there are a couple of view options. one of them does that |
| 08:59.04 | gregday | Venson: this is not really anything like the old program. at all. |
| 08:59.19 | Venson | that's good, then....saves me the trouble of installing adobe's software :) |
| 08:59.38 | gregday | thank God it's not called aKrobat |
| 08:59.44 | Venson | it's really hard to use a computer without a pdf reader these days |
| 08:59.46 | Venson | lol |
| 08:59.56 | Venson | i wouldn't mind that...though it might've raised issues :-X |
| 09:00.15 | Venson | you know how these people are about names...*cough*lindoze*cough* |
| 09:00.31 | gregday | Venson: yeah. i really hate, or used to hate, PDF. mostly because ALL the readers sucked a LOT. now it's just the DRM that pisses me off really. but kpdf makes it much less of a hassle when you need to open one |
| 09:00.54 | Venson | gregday: yeah...especially the "edit but do not read" option |
| 09:00.58 | gregday | isn't the acrobat reader for linux somethling like 120MB? |
| 09:01.02 | aseigo | Venson: kpdf in 3.4 kicks ass |
| 09:01.18 | gregday | Venson: you mean read but do not edit? |
| 09:01.18 | Venson | aseigo: yeah...was just told that. i'm looking forward to it |
| 09:01.24 | Venson | gregday: no no..that was for comic effect :P |
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| 09:02.30 | gregday | i especially 'love' how Preview.app also wont display partial or broken image files. at all. wont even try. |
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| 09:03.03 | Venson | gregday: ohh...btw...kpdf won't work with firefox will it? |
| 09:03.10 | gregday | Venson: how do you mean? |
| 09:03.13 | gregday | Venson: like a plugin? |
| 09:03.51 | Venson | yeah, gregday |
| 09:04.13 | gregday | Venson: i dont think that's really possible.... not enough integration between toolkits for one thing |
| 09:04.16 | Venson | that's not a major drawback...but it'd be nice if i could use it with Firefox the way i do now |
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| 09:04.23 | Venson | hmm |
| 09:04.53 | gregday | Venson: im testing out some stuff in kpdf right now.. if i view pages in continuous mode, and press down, it does go the next one. also works with mouse scrolling |
| 09:05.01 | hareldvd | Is there a way to change the time the "hint" is displayed? |
| 09:05.07 | gregday | and whoever is responsible for presentation transitions, THANK YOU THIS 0WNZ |
| 09:05.10 | Venson | gregday: that's awesome |
| 09:05.44 | [fab] | Venson: there is this thing you can use in firefox |
| 09:05.51 | [fab] | so that Kmail is used |
| 09:06.04 | [fab] | en kget |
| 09:06.10 | [fab] | (lost the name) |
| 09:06.32 | Venson | [fab]: really? that'd be nice. let me google |
| 09:06.44 | [fab] | k let me look as well |
| 09:06.47 | Venson | it isn't mozex, is it? |
| 09:06.50 | [fab] | jep |
| 09:06.52 | gregday | oooh if you keep clicking before the transition is complete, especially with Dissolve, it's funky |
| 09:06.53 | [fab] | mozex |
| 09:06.55 | gregday | it layers it |
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| 09:07.19 | gregday | ive always disliked in-browser pdf plugins |
| 09:07.21 | [fab] | Venson: ever used it ? |
| 09:07.57 | Venson | [fab]: yeah i have used it in the past..it's ok. i setup firefox to natively handle irc:// without a plugin |
| 09:08.37 | hareldvd | Is there a way to change the time the "hint" is displayed? |
| 09:09.34 | aseigo | hareldvd: what hint? |
| 09:09.54 | hareldvd | Is there a way to change the time the "tooltip" is displayed? |
| 09:09.56 | Venson | [fab]: apparently downloadwith.mozdev.org does the same |
| 09:10.06 | hareldvd | Tooltip is what I meant. |
| 09:10.14 | gregday | hareldvd: using HEAD? |
| 09:10.45 | gregday | boy, updating cvs is much more pleasant now that im not using dialup :] |
| 09:11.07 | aseigo | hareldvd: all tooltips or a tooltip in specific? |
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| 09:11.30 | hareldvd | OK, The popup that emerges when you put the mouse cursor over a taskbar item. |
| 09:12.17 | hareldvd | I can not put my hand on it exactly. It seems that sometimes it takes the tooltip a lot of time until it goes away. |
| 09:12.27 | _alejandro | hi |
| 09:13.01 | [fab] | aseigo: isn't it pretty late for you now? |
| 09:13.11 | aseigo | [fab]: 23:00 |
| 09:13.13 | hareldvd | and they also sometimes on top of each other. |
| 09:13.14 | [fab] | ah ok |
| 09:13.17 | aseigo | hareldvd: ah.. no, not that i know of, sorry |
| 09:13.20 | canllaith | what on earth is with this? |
| 09:13.40 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.09 | Venson | canllaith: the space? |
| 09:14.14 | canllaith | I am assuming so |
| 09:14.58 | Venson | yeah..if that dir exists, then it's surely the space....also try expanding the ~ |
| 09:15.17 | canllaith | no, it is not a dir... |
| 09:15.23 | Venson | canllaith: some settings dont like the ~ coz it;s not bash-expanded |
| 09:15.25 | Venson | *it's |
| 09:15.42 | canllaith | I doubt that's it since the rest of KDE has lived with it fine for ages :) |
| 09:15.55 | canllaith | looks like you were dead on about the space though |
| 09:16.03 | canllaith | I wonder why it wasn't escaping it, if it needed it .... |
| 09:16.24 | canllaith | very very bizzare, and kdelibs did not do that yesterday .... heh |
| 09:16.30 | Venson | oh well oh well...atleast you got it working. |
| 09:16.31 | lauri | if it's quoted properly, it shouldn't be doing that anyway |
| 09:16.51 | canllaith | It isn't quoted or escaped at all, as you can see up there. |
| 09:17.13 | lauri | assuming you didn't write this script, you should smack whoever did |
| 09:17.18 | lippel | canllaith: something changed in the color config, kdebase doesn't build here, have to update kdelibs first... |
| 09:17.18 | lauri | and if you did, then, just quote it :) |
| 09:17.22 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 09:17.26 | canllaith | lippel: I am updating kdelibs |
| 09:17.49 | canllaith | that is what changed in the color config, and using unsermake install it is broken because some silly bugger hasn't quoted/escaped things properly..... |
| 09:18.11 | lippel | ah |
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| 09:18.32 | canllaith | I just copied the file by hand and then ran unsermake install again over the top of it... but still, bit slack |
| 09:18.43 | canllaith | mmm and there it goes again |
| 09:19.10 | canllaith | slightly different place but same filename problem |
| 09:20.02 | canllaith | mmm ok no, I can't get around that even by manually copying the file |
| 09:20.02 | lauri | lit is quoted here |
| 09:20.12 | lauri | $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/40.colors "$(DESTDIR)$(kde_confdir)/colors/40 Colors" |
| 09:20.25 | lauri | oh heh, you just came to the same conclusion |
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| 09:27.43 | canllaith | hiya PhilRod :) |
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| 09:30.58 | jtza8 | When developing a KDE application, should I use Qt's translation method or should I use gettext? |
| 09:31.10 | PhilRod | hey canllaith |
| 09:31.27 | aseigo | jtza8: neither.. i18n() |
| 09:31.46 | aseigo | jtza8: i18n() is the KDE equiv of Qt's tr() |
| 09:31.57 | jtza8 | Thanks |
| 09:33.55 | PhilRod | hrm, filtering in kmail only works on dimap, not normal imap. That's a pity |
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| 09:38.40 | aseigo | jtza8: btw, there's a #kde-devel as well =) |
| 09:38.48 | aseigo | jtza8: it's more populous with developers |
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| 09:41.37 | canllaith | what on earth? Dr Klash accelerator diagnosis? |
| 09:41.45 | aseigo | boink boink! |
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| 09:42.40 | canllaith | :\ |
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| 09:51.03 | canllaith | What is an accelerator? |
| 09:51.56 | PhilRod | the underlined letter on a menu or button |
| 09:52.17 | canllaith | thanks PhilRod :) |
| 09:52.24 | lauri | it's on f12 as a keybinding if you have a certain entry in your kdeglobalsrc |
| 09:52.25 | PhilRod | eg _F_ile, where you can press Alt+F |
| 09:52.36 | lauri | (dr klash is, that is) |
| 09:52.41 | Flendor | OK, water is boiling, and the photocopies are all made.. |
| 09:52.44 | Flendor | Now I'll rest a bit :) |
| 09:52.56 | PhilRod | lauri: oh, cool - I should do that, since I found a clash in kst the other day. I ought to check it more fully |
| 09:53.31 | lauri | or not heh |
| 09:53.36 | canllaith | ok, dr klash is popping up every time I open an app now I have upgraded kdelibs |
| 09:53.45 | lauri | apparently mine is off again (it was on for a while without me touching it) |
| 09:53.47 | gregday | dr klash? |
| 09:54.07 | lauri | apparently not |
| 09:54.15 | PhilRod | gregday: it checks that the same accelerator isn't set for two different actions |
| 09:54.41 | gregday | ah |
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| 09:56.37 | canllaith | does Kcontrol -> Power Control ever have more than klaptopd stuff in it? |
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| 10:01.55 | Venson | Is the "Colors" part in the Appearance and Themes -> Background section used for anything else other than the background? |
| 10:02.09 | gregday | Venson: it's for everything |
| 10:02.20 | Venson | gregday: i don't follow..can you elaborate? |
| 10:02.21 | gregday | click on something in the preview area |
| 10:02.27 | gregday | Venson: you can change the color of every widget |
| 10:02.37 | gregday | how is this not obvious...? |
| 10:02.46 | Renze | gregday: he's talking about the "Background" module, not the "Colors" module |
| 10:02.53 | gregday | Oh |
| 10:02.56 | Venson | gregday: you mistook me :) |
| 10:02.59 | gregday | heh sorry :( |
| 10:03.02 | canllaith | How is this not obvious? ;) |
| 10:03.03 | Venson | that's alright |
| 10:03.13 | Venson | lol...not his fault |
| 10:03.18 | arekm | hi, I'm having problem with konqueror which scales images very badly. image (logo) is very sharp instead of smooth like in opera |
| 10:03.20 | gregday | Venson: yeah thats' for the background color, also used if you do color blending |
| 10:03.23 | canllaith | hehehe I couldn't resist |
| 10:03.47 | canllaith | oh nice you can set it individually per desktop.... how did i never notice this before? |
| 10:03.54 | Venson | I think the Colors part could be consolidated as the fourth option under Background (currently there's three)? |
| 10:03.57 | gregday | canllaith: it was not obvious |
| 10:04.14 | canllaith | probably because I never use that dialog |
| 10:04.20 | gregday | blending is a complicated thing that most desktops cant do... making it a simple UI is tough |
| 10:04.23 | canllaith | I drag images to the desktop then use set as wallpaper in the context menu that comes up |
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| 10:05.08 | Venson | i think it'd simplify the Background dialog... |
| 10:05.27 | Venson | maybe i should file it as a bug |
| 10:05.44 | gregday | the background dialog has had about 409342 revisions :) |
| 10:05.51 | Venson | but i want to make sure it's not being used for anything else but the background...and that it is separate from everything else too |
| 10:06.01 | Venson | gregday: +1 wouldn't hurt...if it makes things "right" ;) |
| 10:06.36 | canllaith | heh darn it kontact is still crashing on deleting knotes |
| 10:06.38 | PhilRod | kcontrol is going to come in for some big reworking in KDE 4, so rumour has it |
| 10:07.06 | PhilRod | so there probably won't be many more small revisions to individual pages |
| 10:07.21 | Venson | hmm...then i might as well not bother. |
| 10:07.22 | PhilRod | although there's still time before 3.4, I guess :-) |
| 10:07.41 | gregday | i hope the suggested thing on kdelook/kdeapps isn't going to be default |
| 10:08.00 | gregday | i really hate the category view a la XP |
| 10:08.07 | PhilRod | Venson: you might want to ask on one of the devel lists just to check - I could have my facts slightly wrong :-) |
| 10:08.20 | aseigo | Venson: colours are not mutually exclusive to picture |
| 10:08.56 | Venson | aseigo: they aren't? You can have a picture and apply the gradient? |
| 10:08.58 | aseigo | Venson: you can blend colours w/pictures, which is used to great effect with wallpapers that are translucent |
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| 10:09.09 | aseigo | Venson: well, why do you think it's a separate section? =) |
| 10:09.15 | Venson | aseigo: ah i see. gotcha |
| 10:09.17 | aseigo | Venson: and that "Bledn" drop down |
| 10:09.19 | aseigo | er, blend |
| 10:09.34 | canllaith | and of course all the different gradients and patterns you can apply those colours too |
| 10:09.43 | Venson | I don't have a "blend" drop down |
| 10:10.00 | canllaith | wow |
| 10:10.03 | Venson | could be because im using plain colors |
| 10:10.05 | canllaith | that's scary |
| 10:10.06 | Venson | not a wallpaper atm |
| 10:10.19 | PhilRod | (in my humble and not-very-artistic opinion) |
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| 10:11.59 | canllaith | o... m.... g |
| 10:12.54 | canllaith | this is what happened when I tried to set my wallpaper to ' nightrock' |
| 10:12.59 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/wtf.png |
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| 10:13.25 | Flendor | Ç0 |
| 10:13.26 | Flendor | :0 |
| 10:13.36 | Venson | canllaith: hey...that's cool lol |
| 10:13.46 | canllaith | um... no, no it's not |
| 10:13.48 | Venson | canllaith: like the panel, btw. |
| 10:13.48 | gregday | uh |
| 10:13.54 | Renze | fubar |
| 10:13.58 | Flendor | Yes, the kicker is pretty neat. |
| 10:14.01 | canllaith | heh ty (I do like my kicker) |
| 10:14.07 | PhilRod | hrm, I hope my HEAD build that's going now won't be as broken as that... |
| 10:14.10 | canllaith | but I am not keen on kdesktop |
| 10:14.20 | canllaith | PhilRod: it has done that to me since .... 3.3.1 occasionally |
| 10:14.29 | canllaith | and some of the konqueror background images |
| 10:14.47 | canllaith | paper flieder I think it is... does that, ends up tiling screengrabs which is bizzare |
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| 10:17.24 | PhilRod | graphics card problems? |
| 10:17.38 | canllaith | Not that I know of |
| 10:18.01 | canllaith | I don't think so, since it happened only after a certain KDE version |
| 10:18.14 | canllaith | but then, I can't be too sure that's not just that it happens to upset my graphic card now and didn't before |
| 10:19.13 | PhilRod | although I guess kicker would probably be messed up too if it were... |
| 10:19.34 | canllaith | it will only happen on a single option in the desktop settings dialog |
| 10:20.02 | canllaith | perhaps it doesn't like nightrock, maybe it doesn't like the other (stonewall?) or perhaps a certain included background for konqueror. Everything else will function perfectly |
| 10:22.30 | aseigo | canllaith: ahahaha... that's pretty sweet |
| 10:22.44 | aseigo | canllaith: what option did you turn on to make that happen? |
| 10:22.50 | canllaith | aseigo: That is my entry for the kde SVG wallpaper contest, like it? ;) |
| 10:22.56 | aseigo | A WINNER! |
| 10:23.03 | canllaith | aseigo: hahahaha |
| 10:23.08 | canllaith | under colors in desktop properties |
| 10:23.25 | aseigo | uh-huh |
| 10:23.25 | canllaith | I set it to stone wall 2 by tigert |
| 10:23.37 | canllaith | and there we go, it's just done it again. It basically screengrabs, then tiles it |
| 10:24.55 | aseigo | what other settings do you have there? |
| 10:25.46 | canllaith | background No Picture |
| 10:25.49 | canllaith | setting for all desktops |
| 10:25.56 | aseigo | wierdness |
| 10:26.02 | canllaith | picked two colours .... doesn't matter which I pick |
| 10:26.27 | canllaith | um how do I disable dr klash? He keeps popping up :) |
| 10:26.43 | Venson | sedate him with a tranquilizer |
| 10:26.55 | canllaith | I would love to, don't you worry ;) |
| 10:27.01 | Venson | that's what i do to my doc :) |
| 10:28.23 | Flendor | That's what my doc does to me |
| 10:29.03 | Flendor | OK, not a tranquilizer, but I think Prozac is a sedative.. |
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| 10:31.37 | ange_ciel4477 | hi folks :) |
| 10:32.01 | Flendor | Hello |
| 10:32.08 | Flendor | Comment ça va? |
| 10:32.09 | ange_ciel4477 | it's about my icons rendering :( can u please take a look at these screenshots and telle what's wrong? |
| 10:32.23 | ange_ciel4477 | http://www.cafefort.com/cap1.png and http://www.cafefort.com/cap2.png |
| 10:32.30 | ange_ciel4477 | tres bien merci :) |
| 10:32.46 | Flendor | Phil - d'uh, sorry :/ |
| 10:33.00 | canllaith | Interesting |
| 10:33.02 | ange_ciel4477 | sorry Phil |
| 10:33.03 | canllaith | my icons look like that in Xnest |
| 10:33.10 | sredna | PhilOut: With 1 user in it? |
| 10:33.13 | PhilOut | Flendor: no, I meant seriously, there's a #kde-fr that we've been trying to set up :-) |
| 10:33.16 | ange_ciel4477 | that's ugly, isn't it? |
| 10:33.20 | canllaith | I wonder if there is an X extension that isn't loaded for you ange_ciel4477 ? |
| 10:33.23 | ange_ciel4477 | sredna: lol |
| 10:33.25 | PhilOut | sredna: great oaks from tiny acorns grow :-) |
| 10:33.26 | canllaith | because it is only in Xnest I see icons identical to that |
| 10:33.29 | canllaith | sredna: hi there! :) |
| 10:33.46 | ange_ciel4477 | icons are well rendred in gnome |
| 10:33.54 | sredna | PhilOut: Yes, and if I was a french speaker you'd find me n there |
| 10:33.56 | ange_ciel4477 | i deduce it's not X pb, no? |
| 10:34.02 | sredna | Hi canllaith, all :) |
| 10:34.07 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: um it might be..... |
| 10:34.16 | ange_ciel4477 | what? |
| 10:34.52 | ange_ciel4477 | je brule d'envie de savoir, like french people say |
| 10:36.16 | ange_ciel4477 | a clue, anyone? |
| 10:36.35 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: It looks un-antialiased |
| 10:36.44 | canllaith | Yes... I think so anyway |
| 10:36.45 | ange_ciel4477 | sredan: yes |
| 10:36.52 | canllaith | lets see if my Xnest still looks like that |
| 10:36.54 | ange_ciel4477 | and how to fix that? |
| 10:37.27 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Which kde version do you have? |
| 10:37.32 | ange_ciel4477 | 3.3.2 |
| 10:38.00 | sredna | Latest and greatest.. didn't we have an option like 'antialias icons' at one point? |
| 10:38.15 | canllaith | I am wondering if it is an extension missing on the X server |
| 10:38.21 | ange_ciel4477 | ah yeah :( |
| 10:38.28 | sredna | Could be |
| 10:38.31 | ange_ciel4477 | i've mdk10.0 |
| 10:38.42 | ange_ciel4477 | and it works fine on my other box (kde3.3) |
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| 10:38.49 | sredna | But mandrake would usuually turn on everything |
| 10:38.53 | Skiver | hi |
| 10:39.00 | ange_ciel4477 | so X server isn't to blame |
| 10:39.00 | canllaith | usually |
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| 10:39.10 | ange_ciel4477 | yeah, in fact |
| 10:39.39 | ange_ciel4477 | even though, i installed kde3.3 before and i haven't that pb |
| 10:39.51 | ange_ciel4477 | i didn't change anything in X |
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| 10:41.09 | canllaith | it just seems to look a lot like these ones |
| 10:41.11 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/icons.png |
| 10:41.21 | sredna | GRR, I forgot how annoying kpersonalizer is |
| 10:41.24 | canllaith | That is what I get when I run KDE within Xnest. My KDE icons are fuzzy and awful looking |
| 10:41.31 | canllaith | but if I run gnome in Xnest, the icons look fine |
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| 10:41.38 | sredna | That thing sets properties before I press ok |
| 10:41.41 | canllaith | basically same symptoms ange_ciel4477 is reporting |
| 10:41.46 | sredna | It should be deleted or fixed |
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| 10:42.32 | ange_ciel4477 | that's the same pb!!! |
| 10:42.38 | ange_ciel4477 | alleluiah!! |
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| 10:42.52 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: mmm well if we can figure out what is different between my Xnest and full X then I imagine we can fix your problem. |
| 10:43.08 | ange_ciel4477 | i hope :) |
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| 10:44.08 | ange_ciel4477 | any idea ? |
| 10:44.14 | canllaith | mmm thinking and looking on google |
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| 10:44.26 | canllaith | render perhaps |
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| 10:46.02 | ange_ciel4477 | i thought so too |
| 10:46.04 | ange_ciel4477 | i blamed libart at first |
| 10:46.59 | canllaith | lets see if that extension helps |
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| 10:48.21 | lauri | based on my fooling about with xnest back in teh day trying to get AA fonts to work (when that was a new thing) |
| 10:48.25 | sredna | aseigo: Cool :) |
| 10:48.29 | lauri | it lacked the ability to do the RENDER stuff |
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| 10:48.49 | lauri | which if that's still the case, may be related (but that's a few X versions back now) |
| 10:48.58 | canllaith | lauri: Xnest has RENDER now |
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| 10:49.08 | ange_ciel4477 | isn't it say ksvg stuff? (but the icons are in png) |
| 10:49.10 | sredna | Alethes_: Hi again. I'm still running with your style sheet, to see if it makes a difference |
| 10:49.28 | canllaith | and the problem is not actually Xnest, I am just using it to troubleshoot :) |
| 10:49.48 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: I think the default icons sets comes in a png version |
| 10:50.05 | ange_ciel4477 | what's the part in kdelibs that render images? |
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| 10:50.22 | ange_ciel4477 | i set nuvola theme, it's in png too |
| 10:51.32 | canllaith | at any rate I have seen that problem before related to the X server not having the appropriate extensions but damned if I can remember what it was ...... |
| 10:51.49 | ange_ciel4477 | i rebuilded kdelibs almost 5 times :( it still gives me the same :( |
| 10:53.02 | ange_ciel4477 | a stupid question... what if i rebuild X? would it take more time than kdelibs for eg. ? |
| 10:54.19 | canllaith | about the same on my machine.... but hopefully it's not necessary.... |
| 10:56.57 | ange_ciel4477 | anyway, i just can stand these icons and thier rendering |
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| 10:57.47 | ange_ciel4477 | BYT canllaith: activate the icons zooming in your panel, you'll discover that they aren't transparent but carry a grey background |
| 10:58.10 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: maybe this is not a solution you like |
| 10:58.19 | canllaith | but if you have spent the time to rebuild kdelibs 5 whole times... |
| 10:58.29 | canllaith | maybe it would be quicker to just install a new distro that has a new kde on it? :S |
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| 10:59.00 | canllaith | I know that is not a solution, to just use something else... but we are all quite confused :( |
| 10:59.52 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: did you also build a new Qt to go with KDE 3.3.2? |
| 11:00.02 | ange_ciel4477 | sure QT3.3.3 |
| 11:00.31 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: what options did you build Qt with? |
| 11:00.42 | ange_ciel4477 | canllaith: not that quicker when like me you live in algeria |
| 11:00.51 | ange_ciel4477 | all of "em |
| 11:01.07 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: it would be helpful if you could be specific |
| 11:01.29 | Skiver | any idea how to make my browser able to listen to live radio ? |
| 11:01.57 | Skiver | the address starts with mms://ip_add |
| 11:01.58 | ange_ciel4477 | -png -gif -jpeg ... |
| 11:02.04 | ange_ciel4477 | all image related |
| 11:02.59 | sredna | Skiver: Associate pls and similar formats with an app that can handle it, like kmplayer or kaffeine |
| 11:03.04 | Renze | qt's versions or external versions? |
| 11:04.08 | ange_ciel4477 | qt's one |
| 11:04.31 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: for example, mine is built with -qt-gif, -system-libjpeg, -system-libpng, -xft |
| 11:04.43 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: that could possibly be the problem |
| 11:05.08 | ange_ciel4477 | so? |
| 11:05.11 | ange_ciel4477 | mine too |
| 11:05.18 | ange_ciel4477 | have you the same pb? |
| 11:05.26 | Renze | no, mine works perfectly |
| 11:05.55 | ange_ciel4477 | so it's not a qt pb |
| 11:06.13 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: I suspect it is |
| 11:06.46 | Renze | ange_ciel4477: I'm not using Qt's libpng, I'm using an external one |
| 11:06.47 | ange_ciel4477 | me too... but i builkd it with the same option as you |
| 11:07.13 | ange_ciel4477 | i downloaded yesterday the latest from libpng.org |
| 11:07.20 | ange_ciel4477 | how if i build it? |
| 11:08.08 | ange_ciel4477 | will i have to rebuild qt again? |
| 11:08.20 | Renze | I don't know, I've never encountered your problem |
| 11:09.15 | canllaith | the problem only occurs for me using Xnest |
| 11:09.18 | canllaith | my normal X and kde is fine |
| 11:09.30 | Renze | I see the same thing in Xnest, but that's just the way Xnest works |
| 11:09.45 | canllaith | Well ... mostly because it doesn't load the same extensions as X afaik |
| 11:09.49 | Renze | yeah |
| 11:10.27 | canllaith | although apparently my Xneset will load RENDER and composite |
| 11:10.31 | canllaith | Xnest* |
| 11:10.51 | ange_ciel4477 | i don't think it's an X problem, because i used the same with kde3.3 and i worked fine |
| 11:12.44 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:12.50 | canllaith | [1] + segmentation fault Xnest :1 -ac +extension Composite |
| 11:14.53 | ange_ciel4477 | so |
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| 11:19.41 | canllaith | heya mobtek |
| 11:20.05 | ange_ciel4477 | claire = mobtek? |
| 11:20.19 | canllaith | no claire = mobtek's friend I think |
| 11:21.11 | canllaith | lol how do you use so much traffic all the time? |
| 11:21.26 | Renze | it's very easy to use up 1GB in a month :) |
| 11:21.30 | canllaith | we host 3 or 4 websites, and a dozen databases... |
| 11:21.32 | canllaith | 1gb? :| |
| 11:21.40 | Renze | yeah, I'm on the 1GB plan |
| 11:21.46 | canllaith | ah ok then we have 5GB |
| 11:21.48 | Renze | cheapest option |
| 11:21.56 | ange_ciel4477 | Renze!!! |
| 11:22.11 | canllaith | with the usual deals, so our database queries are basically entirely ... well basically free |
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| 11:22.17 | ange_ciel4477 | cheapest how? |
| 11:22.38 | Renze | lowest cost, less dollars per month |
| 11:23.22 | claire | haha yeah I am here too though :P |
| 11:23.24 | ange_ciel4477 | yes sure, but i mean how much |
| 11:23.32 | claire | </mobtek> |
| 11:23.33 | canllaith | ah ok heya then mobtek =p |
| 11:23.35 | aseigo | capped bandwidth sucks |
| 11:23.41 | Renze | NZ$50.90 per month, including modem rental |
| 11:24.04 | aseigo | we just get nasty emails if we go over the 10GB or whatever it is a few months in a row |
| 11:24.08 | ange_ciel4477 | claire veux-tu m'epouser |
| 11:24.09 | canllaith | as you've mentioned before aseigo ... we live on an island and our providers buy all our traffic from the states, that's basically how it goes |
| 11:24.18 | ange_ciel4477 | no one will understand me anyway ;) |
| 11:24.19 | aseigo | and then we get "urged" to upgrade to a biz package (and then cut off if we don't ) |
| 11:24.56 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: :O |
| 11:25.02 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: you are proposing marriage? :P |
| 11:25.09 | Renze | aseigo: for every 100MB over the limit (up to six blocks) it's another NZ$5, and then 0.05c per MB after that |
| 11:25.37 | aseigo | do they charge you differently for local traffic vs traffic to the outside world? |
| 11:25.41 | canllaith | aseigo: yes |
| 11:25.49 | aseigo | ok, that's at least sane then |
| 11:25.52 | Renze | aseigo: yes, local is 10% of international |
| 11:25.56 | canllaith | basically I get charged 10% as much |
| 11:26.06 | canllaith | so I can use 50GB local traffic before I get charged over my usual flat fee thing |
| 11:26.09 | aseigo | so... it's around 10% as much you're saying ;-) |
| 11:26.27 | canllaith | ... which is so much andrew games every night online with his friends in chch, we will never use it all |
| 11:26.31 | aseigo | alright.. beddy bye time... g'nite =) |
| 11:28.21 | canllaith | gnight :) |
| 11:29.00 | ange_ciel4477 | got to go boyz |
| 11:29.07 | ange_ciel4477 | it's been a pleasue |
| 11:29.08 | canllaith | boyz? |
| 11:29.11 | canllaith | I am not a boy =p |
| 11:29.18 | ange_ciel4477 | why not? |
| 11:29.24 | canllaith | I am a girl.... lol |
| 11:29.28 | ange_ciel4477 | oh yes!! dear lady so ;) |
| 11:29.28 | canllaith | the usual reason one is not a boy |
| 11:29.35 | ange_ciel4477 | she's a girl !! |
| 11:29.41 | canllaith | au revoir ange_ciel4477 ...... |
| 11:29.41 | ange_ciel4477 | I LOVE GIRLS !! |
| 11:29.58 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:30.02 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 11:30.15 | ange_ciel4477 | Renze: the shape? |
| 11:30.17 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 11:30.25 | Renze | :) |
| 11:30.28 | ange_ciel4477 | i call that geometry :p |
| 11:30.42 | ange_ciel4477 | rounded geometry precisely |
| 11:30.42 | canllaith | I do not know the word |
| 11:30.45 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:31.04 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 11:31.16 | Renze | curves :) |
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| 11:31.20 | ange_ciel4477 | anyway canllaith, it's a pleasure :) |
| 11:31.22 | solaries | Zope Error at dot.kde.org |
| 11:31.27 | ange_ciel4477 | curves !! lol atomik |
| 11:31.32 | ange_ciel4477 | concave |
| 11:31.34 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: indeed |
| 11:31.41 | Renze | and convex in places |
| 11:31.54 | atomik | hu ? |
| 11:32.08 | atomik | <ange_ciel4477> curves !! lol atomik <--- ?? |
| 11:32.19 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 11:32.34 | ange_ciel4477 | i mean an atomic lol |
| 11:32.50 | solaries | why is something like Aethera developed when there's already kontact? |
| 11:33.36 | canllaith | um... because someone wants to develop something different? :) |
| 11:33.44 | ange_ciel4477 | cannllaith : are the mp3s on your website of bob dylan? |
| 11:33.57 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: no why do you ask ? |
| 11:34.12 | canllaith | I have only one mp3 and it is of classical music I think |
| 11:34.21 | ange_ciel4477 | to ask permission of download |
| 11:34.29 | canllaith | what is the url ? |
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| 11:36.16 | ange_ciel4477 | i'm an idiot! |
| 11:36.22 | canllaith | mm ? |
| 11:36.43 | canllaith | if you mean gwydion-dylan it is a programming language :) which is the only dylan I have up there |
| 11:37.48 | ange_ciel4477 | lol, i'm an idiot the files are rpm, not mp3 |
| 11:38.01 | canllaith | aye |
| 11:38.05 | canllaith | programming language |
| 11:38.18 | ange_ciel4477 | i'm a webdevelopper btw |
| 11:38.24 | canllaith | ah, I am a unix systems consultant |
| 11:38.28 | ange_ciel4477 | a science computer ingineer* |
| 11:38.37 | ange_ciel4477 | a prof @ university |
| 11:38.43 | canllaith | but I occasionally do web development (www.bryson.co.nz for a start) |
| 11:38.44 | ange_ciel4477 | shame on me |
| 11:39.08 | ange_ciel4477 | me i'm specialized in ebusinees solutions |
| 11:39.19 | canllaith | :) |
| 11:40.10 | ange_ciel4477 | enchanté |
| 11:40.55 | canllaith | excusez-moi? que volez-vous dire? |
| 11:41.00 | ange_ciel4477 | me i'm on http://www.akoncept.com |
| 11:41.16 | canllaith | bah I cannot spell |
| 11:41.20 | ange_ciel4477 | wow, i love her french accent!!! |
| 11:41.40 | canllaith | lol I do not speak french but my b/f does |
| 11:41.47 | Renze | mon aeroglisseur est plein des anguilles |
| 11:42.06 | canllaith | ah, this page is great ange_ciel4477 ! |
| 11:42.21 | ange_ciel4477 | thanks :) |
| 11:42.29 | ange_ciel4477 | it's my entreprise website |
| 11:42.41 | ange_ciel4477 | Renze: lol |
| 11:42.50 | canllaith | ahahahaha |
| 11:42.57 | canllaith | oooh she has a wicked sense of humour |
| 11:43.15 | ange_ciel4477 | and my blog if you want to visit : http://www.cafefort.com |
| 11:43.18 | canllaith | Gibt es hier einin Lesbenclub/Schwulenclub ? |
| 11:43.26 | canllaith | (is there a lesbian/gay bar...) |
| 11:43.35 | ange_ciel4477 | a really wicked sense o' humor yes!!lol |
| 11:43.37 | canllaith | just don't ask, but that is NOT what I thought that meant |
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| 11:43.46 | canllaith | oooh I am going to kill her for telling me that meant 'cool bar' |
| 11:43.56 | ange_ciel4477 | nein es gibt kein lisb/guay bar |
| 11:44.19 | ange_ciel4477 | was über ein liebelich kiss? |
| 11:44.25 | canllaith | :O |
| 11:44.37 | ange_ciel4477 | :) |
| 11:44.48 | _jb | meine lippen sind giftig. |
| 11:44.59 | jim777998 | ok, is there a way to restart kde without closing programs. enlightenment has that functionality, but was wondering if kde does too ? |
| 11:45.15 | canllaith | _jb: I will then remember not to kiss you eh? |
| 11:45.25 | canllaith | jim777998: mmm parts of it you can |
| 11:45.26 | _jb | jim777998: i suggest using a hammer :) |
| 11:45.29 | ange_ciel4477 | why not? |
| 11:45.40 | ange_ciel4477 | _jb> lol |
| 11:45.59 | jim777998 | you can't completely restart it without closing running programs ? |
| 11:46.04 | canllaith | jim777998: no |
| 11:46.11 | jim777998 | damn |
| 11:46.14 | canllaith | you can |
| 11:46.18 | canllaith | kill kdesktop and restart it |
| 11:46.20 | canllaith | dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 11:46.23 | _jb | canllaith: you have a boy anyway |
| 11:46.25 | canllaith | and kwin --replace |
| 11:46.30 | jim777998 | where do i go to request it as a feature in the next release ? |
| 11:46.32 | ange_ciel4477 | push the button :) |
| 11:46.45 | canllaith | ja ich habe einen freund :) |
| 11:47.07 | Renze | jim777998: bugs.kde.org, but there is so much going on in the background of KDE that it's unlikely to be feasible |
| 11:47.15 | jim777998 | it's not just kicker i want restarted - it's the whole basket of pies |
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| 11:47.30 | jim777998 | ok |
| 11:47.35 | Renze | jim777998: KDE is considerably more complex than enlightenment |
| 11:48.06 | jim777998 | i guess enlightenment can do it as it's current stable version isn't a full window manager |
| 11:48.30 | Renze | it is a window manager... what it's not is a desktop environment |
| 11:48.35 | jim777998 | yeah i know, changed to kde as enlightenment gets updated once a decade |
| 11:49.05 | jim777998 | anyway, thanks for the advice |
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| 11:53.43 | _jb | funny, i changed to kde because it's network aware |
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| 11:56.58 | PhilRod | canllaith: btw, I have the same problem with Dr Klash, having just updated |
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| 11:57.45 | canllaith | PhilRod: hehehe it seems to have shut up for the moment |
| 11:58.25 | PhilRod | I think there are some general problems (at least here) with KDE programmes saving settings. I'll have to look into it sometime |
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| 11:59.45 | canllaith | I think so yes |
| 11:59.49 | canllaith | programmes ? :P |
| 12:00.04 | ShredZ | I noticed when using xcompmgr 1.1.1 in kde that maximizing and minimizing of windows often screws up, is this cause kwin doesn't have this feature implemented or is it just xcompmgr being dumb ? |
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| 12:00.33 | ange_ciel4477 | PhilRod: today i got some screenshots of my icon rendering pb, would u please take a look? http://www.cafefort.com/cap1.png |
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| 12:00.49 | canllaith | ShredZ: hum, I really think that is xcompmgr to be honest |
| 12:00.50 | Renze | ShredZ: xcompmgr and the composite/damage extensions are far from complete, as I understand it |
| 12:00.51 | cph_ | hi, is there a channel for kdm ? |
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| 12:01.01 | ange_ciel4477 | and http://www.cafefort.com/cap2.png |
| 12:01.12 | sredna | ShredZ: There isa patch for kwin availeble over at kde-look.org |
| 12:01.16 | chino | what is the command after you upgrade kde to fix the startup ? |
| 12:01.20 | arekm | http://www.t17.ds.pwr.wroc.pl/~misiek/rozne/kde-drukowanie-1.png - konqueror shows nicely logo when viewing web page but when trying to print it it looks so ugly (lower DPI it seems) - how can I prevent that? |
| 12:01.44 | ShredZ | ah great, usually leave composite disabled, but it doesn't seem to crash my desktop anymore so I was just messing with it |
| 12:01.46 | sredna | chino: Kbuildsycoca maybe |
| 12:02.01 | PhilRod | ange_ciel4477: I don't really have any idea apart from what canllaith and others suggested earlier sorry :-/ |
| 12:02.03 | chino | no thats not it i think |
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| 12:02.45 | ange_ciel4477 | PhilRod : thanks anyway :) |
| 12:04.12 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive got kde 3.3 on a cd here as an extra ,,, i have kde 3.2 installed , can i instal the 3.3 - it seems to have a list of various files . |
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| 12:05.25 | ShredZ | maybe just a hint for kde 3.4, it doesn't happen in windowmaker for instance :) |
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| 12:07.06 | PhilRod | [Aura]kingwanja: what do you mean about a list of files? where is the list? |
| 12:08.08 | [Aura]kingwanja | on my cd , its in a folder called kde 3.3 |
| 12:09.34 | PhilRod | you'll need to install the qt, kdelibs and kdebase packages for the base functionality, and then other packages are optional |
| 12:09.36 | [Aura]kingwanja | the contents is 321.6 mb |
| 12:10.15 | PhilRod | you won't need all of that - it just depends what programs you want |
| 12:10.41 | PhilRod | I'd suggest kdepim (for kmail), kdenetwork, kdemultimedia and kdegraphics |
| 12:10.54 | PhilRod | but of course, add/remove things from that list to suit your taste |
| 12:11.18 | [Aura]kingwanja | how do i go about it , because there are so many and im not sure which is which , is there a way to install over kde 3.2 or update the 3.2 to 3.3 through an option or something . |
| 12:11.59 | PhilRod | what distro are you running? (and are the packages the right ones for your distro?) |
| 12:12.14 | arekm | no printing guru? :-( |
| 12:12.50 | [Aura]kingwanja | i have mandrake 10.1 official , this disk came with it ... i had 4 cds , i think this 4th one is extra stuff |
| 12:13.45 | PhilRod | erk, I have to go out again - someone else here (or perhaps in #mandrake) may be able to point you in the right direction, [Aura]kingwanja |
| 12:17.16 | _jb | wow |
| 12:17.23 | _jb | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/image/essay/ |
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| 12:17.35 | Flendor | Hallo |
| 12:17.44 | ange_ciel4477 | salut |
| 12:18.38 | grepper | wow, something is wrong here - I'm getting almost 1000fps in glxgears in SUSE |
| 12:19.13 | Renze | grepper: I usually get over 700 on this old GeForce2 |
| 12:19.37 | grepper | Renze, its a radeon 7500 on a PII 400 |
| 12:19.46 | grepper | I've never gotten much over 600fps |
| 12:19.52 | Renze | whoa |
| 12:20.08 | grepper | is it monitor dependant to a certain extent ? |
| 12:20.20 | grepper | this is a much smaller monitor |
| 12:20.26 | Renze | anywho, I'm hitting the sack... hasta mañana |
| 12:20.28 | grepper | (also older) :P |
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| 12:24.31 | sredna | _jb: Why wow? |
| 12:24.55 | _jb | i've never read such a strangely compelling interpretation of edipus rex |
| 12:25.29 | sredna | Ok, getting into it ti looks kinda weird |
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| 12:27.43 | eckhart | sredna: hi |
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| 12:28.18 | eckhart | kmail is not alone |
| 12:28.49 | eckhart | i just realized that thunderbird does not have any features either |
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| 12:29.44 | kn3 | seek helping for kdevelop in french please |
| 12:29.48 | sredna | eckhart: Maybe the reviewer is hired by microsoft? |
| 12:30.07 | eckhart | perhaps yes |
| 12:31.13 | sredna | kn3: There is one potentially helpfull KDEer in #kde-fr |
| 12:31.13 | eckhart | i'll have a look at the microsoft products in the table |
| 12:31.14 | sredna | kn3: Go there and ask him, and help the channel gro :) |
| 12:31.14 | sredna | W |
| 12:31.15 | canllaith | mmm I know a few words of french |
| 12:31.15 | canllaith | you know one language I know not a word of? danish. Not one single word. |
| 12:31.17 | sredna | So do i, but none of them are computer related |
| 12:31.19 | ange_ciel4477 | french is the 3rd language i learned |
| 12:31.27 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: the first? |
| 12:31.30 | ange_ciel4477 | i do speak it as my mother one :) |
| 12:31.46 | ange_ciel4477 | the first is kabyle |
| 12:31.50 | eckhart | sredna: entourage ist also tested |
| 12:31.52 | canllaith | I do not know it |
| 12:31.57 | ange_ciel4477 | actually i speak 5 |
| 12:32.07 | ange_ciel4477 | kabyle, french, arabic, english, german |
| 12:32.19 | canllaith | :) and all of them better than I, I am sure |
| 12:32.21 | ange_ciel4477 | et un pocco italiano just for charming aims :p |
| 12:32.29 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:32.35 | ange_ciel4477 | ;) |
| 12:32.38 | eckhart | uh |
| 12:32.42 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 12:32.46 | ange_ciel4477 | oh yes |
| 12:32.55 | eckhart | according to the table, entourage is at for free |
| 12:32.55 | kn3 | ok donc ange_ciel4477 tu va pouvoir me dire ou je peux trouver les dependance (et toute) pour pouvoir installer kdevelop s'il te plait |
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| 12:33.30 | ange_ciel4477 | pourquoi ne pas le compiler depuis les sources, c'est ce que j'ai moi même fait |
| 12:33.58 | ange_ciel4477 | parceque je suis sur mdk10.0 et des rpms y'en a malheureusement pas :( |
| 12:34.01 | eckhart | but with footnote: "included in microsoft office" |
| 12:34.15 | canllaith | yes, if you have KDE and a compiler you should be able to compile kdevelop |
| 12:34.31 | ange_ciel4477 | that's what i did, actually :) |
| 12:34.34 | eckhart | i think that is not what i associate with "for free" |
| 12:34.34 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: there are no RPM for latest KDE? |
| 12:34.40 | canllaith | ange_ciel4477: I know, I am reading what you are saying =p |
| 12:34.50 | kn3 | ah ok je vais de ce pas suivre vos conseils, merci beaucoup ;) |
| 12:35.06 | ange_ciel4477 | mais je vous en prie l'ami :) |
| 12:35.25 | Venson | sorry...i'm "fait" less |
| 12:35.40 | canllaith | he wants to know where to get the dependancies for kdevelop.... |
| 12:35.53 | canllaith | then ange said why not build the sources? itis what I have done because ... no rpms for mdk 10 |
| 12:35.58 | ange_ciel4477 | yes i've understabnd |
| 12:35.59 | grepper | tux |
| 12:36.06 | ange_ciel4477 | but i can't find 'em myself |
| 12:36.06 | Venson | no rpms? hmm...wicked |
| 12:36.13 | ange_ciel4477 | so i compiled the whole stuff |
| 12:36.13 | Venson | try rpm.pbone.net |
| 12:36.18 | canllaith | ange ah that sucks :( |
| 12:36.34 | ange_ciel4477 | really |
| 12:37.18 | canllaith | is there a #kde-de ? I guess that is probably it in here really =p |
| 12:37.32 | ange_ciel4477 | lol, maybe |
| 12:38.00 | ange_ciel4477 | ich denke also |
| 12:38.01 | canllaith | #kde-docs is good, I can ask the boys in there to translate words from the german letters I get from family |
| 12:38.14 | [Aura]kingwanja | lol |
| 12:38.18 | Venson | canllaith: didn't know that functionality! |
| 12:38.32 | Venson | so much i learn each day |
| 12:38.34 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:38.37 | Venson | it's hard to keep up with myself |
| 12:39.09 | ange_ciel4477 | it's a good feature of #kde-de :p |
| 12:39.25 | sredna | What would be the best default for showing the rellingks toolbar 8given you have the plugin enabled) - allways, never or when appropriate? |
| 12:39.31 | ange_ciel4477 | you should compile #kde-de -canllaith to have it running :p |
| 12:39.46 | canllaith | sredna: when appropriate! which I think is never ;) |
| 12:39.58 | Venson | heh...canllaith is a dependency to build #kde-de |
| 12:40.07 | canllaith | you boys are being very silly |
| 12:40.08 | sredna | canllaith: Appropriate == when there are links that can be displayed |
| 12:40.26 | canllaith | sredna: I think this is a much more sensible idea than the behaviour it is showing right now :| |
| 12:40.28 | sredna | canllaith: If you dont' want the plugin, it can (by now) be disabled |
| 12:40.34 | canllaith | sredna: yay! |
| 12:40.41 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 12:40.42 | sredna | canllaith: Which version do you have? |
| 12:40.46 | ange_ciel4477 | love that girls |
| 12:40.49 | canllaith | sredna: I deleted it lol |
| 12:41.17 | sredna | canllaith: I don't think you are the right person to ask.. :p |
| 12:41.29 | canllaith | sredna: but before the freeze, I had it in the alpha 1 and it was very broken. After opening n tabs I would have n toolbars on it :| |
| 12:41.43 | sredna | canllaith: I know |
| 12:41.47 | canllaith | if it could be disabled when I did not want it though |
| 12:41.48 | canllaith | I would put it back |
| 12:41.51 | sredna | canllaith: I helped someone delete it last night |
| 12:41.55 | canllaith | heh yes |
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| 12:43.21 | canllaith | bah, idiot :P |
| 12:43.26 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 12:44.38 | ange_ciel4477 | without an X server i mean ;) |
| 12:44.39 | Venson | can one not configure what sound system juk uses? or does it have to use arts? |
| 12:44.46 | canllaith | mine seems to have options |
| 12:45.13 | Venson | canllaith: you dont count...you use HEAD and all advanced stuff. i use 3.3.2 :( |
| 12:45.20 | Venson | on fedora lol |
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| 12:45.28 | canllaith | yep I have a choice on here to output to arts, akode or gstreamer |
| 12:45.40 | ange_ciel4477 | i love arts |
| 12:45.59 | Venson | ah well...i'll stick to xmms for the time being |
| 12:46.27 | ange_ciel4477 | no amarok is better !!! |
| 12:46.40 | Venson | never ever liked amarok. I doubt i will in the near future |
| 12:46.51 | ange_ciel4477 | why not? |
| 12:47.15 | Venson | juk is simpler and works much better for me. i'm prejudiced against amarok |
| 12:47.19 | Flendor | I tried amaroK too..I was expecting something better, like a Winamp5 for Linux :/ |
| 12:47.37 | Venson | which declined to function on my system even after i compiled it myself (or used binaries) |
| 12:47.45 | ange_ciel4477 | oh, be patient baby :) |
| 12:47.50 | mustasj | Flendor: and it turned out to be so much more? |
| 12:47.52 | Venson | Flendor: by all means xmms is winamp for linux :P |
| 12:47.54 | ange_ciel4477 | good things take time to born |
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| 12:48.19 | Flendor | mustasj - Heh, well, I found it to be a hybrid of XMMS and Juk. |
| 12:48.32 | Flendor | Venson - Well it doesn't play video, does it? |
| 12:48.39 | ange_ciel4477 | that's it yeah :) |
| 12:48.43 | Venson | Flendor: xmms? If you have xmmplayer, you can |
| 12:48.47 | Flendor | And I think it doesn't work well. |
| 12:48.54 | Venson | works great for me :-X |
| 12:48.56 | Flendor | Oh, it can? Nice. I didn't know this. |
| 12:49.03 | Flendor | Is XMMS still being updated? |
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| 12:49.17 | ange_ciel4477 | got to go boyz and lovely canllaith and lovely sredna :( |
| 12:49.27 | sredna | Cu ange_ciel4477 :) |
| 12:49.29 | Venson | of course xmms is being updated..why wouldn't they |
| 12:49.29 | ange_ciel4477 | don't ask why them and not you |
| 12:50.21 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 12:50.22 | Flendor | Venson - Well, it's been looking the same for years..I was expecting the "default" skin would have changed over time and became something prettier.. |
| 12:50.38 | canllaith | I am trying to say french words to my b/f and he is laughing at me |
| 12:50.42 | canllaith | my accent is too bad =p |
| 12:50.43 | ange_ciel4477 | je t'embrasse tendrement l'amie :) |
| 12:50.58 | ange_ciel4477 | how i wish i can hear you ;) |
| 12:51.01 | Venson | Flendor: *shrugs*...i think they're slow to work...and they work on functionality behind the scene...they do less with the gui |
| 12:51.11 | canllaith | ange, you would laugh ;) |
| 12:51.19 | ange_ciel4477 | what was the sentence about les anguilles dans la turbine? lol |
| 12:51.21 | ange_ciel4477 | i loved it |
| 12:51.21 | Venson | Flendor: you can use classic winamp skins with xmms |
| 12:51.28 | Venson | Flendor: i have my own pack of fav skins |
| 12:51.46 | canllaith | au revoir mon ami ange =p |
| 12:51.53 | canllaith | I do not know, I think renze said that one lol |
| 12:51.56 | Venson | no mademoiselle...zee acksent eez not a bad |
| 12:52.08 | ange_ciel4477 | yes, it was renze |
| 12:52.15 | canllaith | Venson: lol you have not heard me I am terrible. Andrew can chatter french like he was born in france but I cannot say the words like he does |
| 12:52.39 | Venson | canllaith: well you're not him....that explains why. you have your skillz |
| 12:52.43 | ange_ciel4477 | it's easy : got to start by : Je t'aime ange |
| 12:53.04 | canllaith | heh |
| 12:53.04 | Venson | je m'appelle Venson |
| 12:53.08 | ange_ciel4477 | nothing's easyiest |
| 12:53.19 | ange_ciel4477 | oui, ça on l'a compris :) enchante |
| 12:53.19 | Venson | riiight...i think Swahili is easier |
| 12:53.34 | ange_ciel4477 | swahili, you say? |
| 12:53.38 | Venson | yeah |
| 12:53.43 | Venson | jambo...habari gani? |
| 12:53.54 | ange_ciel4477 | watta sindibali |
| 12:53.58 | Venson | lol |
| 12:54.16 | Venson | or let's speak Sanskrit...much easier. |
| 12:54.19 | ange_ciel4477 | two old african dialects |
| 12:54.28 | ange_ciel4477 | oh yes, let's |
| 12:54.53 | Venson | sleep's a sucker |
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| 12:57.20 | Flendor | Nope, Sleep is good :) |
| 12:58.43 | ange_ciel4477 | got to go really, |
| 12:58.47 | ange_ciel4477 | bye my friends:) |
| 12:58.52 | canllaith | :) |
| 12:58.57 | ange_ciel4477 | canllaith, thanks for all mon amie |
| 12:59.08 | canllaith | de rien :) |
| 12:59.19 | Flendor | See you |
| 12:59.25 | ange_ciel4477 | see you :) |
| 13:00.18 | sredna | How come there are no newzeelanders on the kde developers map? http://worldwide.kde.org/map/ |
| 13:00.30 | Flendor | Let me see if there are Turks.. |
| 13:02.45 | Flendor | Nope :/ |
| 13:04.34 | sredna | I'm not sure it's well maintained |
| 13:04.59 | sredna | But it's fun |
| 13:05.11 | Flendor | Yes,fun.. |
| 13:05.16 | Venson | coz canllaith is omnipresent |
| 13:05.36 | Venson | ok ok...i'll stop. |
| 13:06.44 | canllaith | sredna: because I do not think that there are any new zealanders apart from me and lauri |
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| 13:07.18 | canllaith | and she is in sweden..... |
| 13:07.18 | canllaith | hmmm |
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| 13:07.27 | sredna | canllaith: Lauri is on the map (in sweden) |
| 13:07.31 | canllaith | sredna: yeah |
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| 13:07.50 | canllaith | maybe I should fill out the form so NZ will have a dot and not be lonely?=p |
| 13:07.50 | sredna | For some reason, I'm not (so I just added my data) |
| 13:08.30 | sredna | What is missing is a version for kworldclock, with flags for all the developers |
| 13:08.35 | canllaith | does it show your email address anywhere, when you put it in the form? |
| 13:08.39 | canllaith | ah that would be so good! |
| 13:08.43 | sredna | No |
| 13:09.26 | sredna | Maybe we could get the data and create a flag list -- it just means that we'd have to make kworldclock remember the flags first :o |
| 13:09.34 | grepper | any SuSe users here ? |
| 13:09.53 | grepper | how come I don't have an osssink - seems I have all the gst* stuff installed |
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| 13:11.07 | canllaith | anders is someone currently maintaining this? |
| 13:11.09 | sredna | You remind me I wanted to install gstreamer, even it will install gconf |
| 13:11.17 | canllaith | (the map) |
| 13:11.29 | sredna | canllaith: The site says the webmaster fo that site (worldwide.kde.org) |
| 13:11.36 | sredna | canllaith: There is a email link |
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| 13:12.03 | Flendor | Hello Phil |
| 13:12.05 | sredna | canllaith: On the other hand, when filling in the form, it says that is is sent to neil stevens |
| 13:12.19 | canllaith | sredna: ah well :) It would be cool to be the first dot for NZ ;) |
| 13:12.23 | PhilRod | hey Flendor |
| 13:12.49 | sredna | canllaith: Well, fill in your data, and if you don't get added in some time, write neil |
| 13:12.55 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 13:13.03 | grepper | running gst-launch-ext: erroneous pipe: no element "osssink" |
| 13:15.56 | eckhart | sredna: another kmail question |
| 13:16.04 | sredna | Yea? |
| 13:16.10 | eckhart | does kmail support downloading only headers? |
| 13:16.34 | sredna | I don't know |
| 13:18.03 | eckhart | is there a special kmail channel? |
| 13:18.33 | sredna | eckhart: There is #kdepim |
| 13:18.36 | sredna | I thknk |
| 13:18.59 | eckhart | not really |
| 13:19.27 | eckhart | yes, there is a channel called #kdepim |
| 13:19.35 | eckhart | but there is nobody in it |
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| 13:19.54 | sredna | Any channel you join is created |
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| 13:20.04 | sredna | If it doesn't exist |
| 13:20.04 | moshe | hello |
| 13:20.13 | moshe | does kdessh have a standard menu entry? If so, where is it? |
| 13:20.24 | eckhart | sredna: i know |
| 13:20.38 | grepper | heh |
| 13:20.43 | eckhart | but normally there is no chanserv who de-ops me |
| 13:20.47 | corecode | hey. i'd like to force konsole to use a special font, but the menu doesn't show it, i guess because konsole/kde/qt/whatever thinks that it is no monospaced font. how can i investigate and change that behaviour? |
| 13:21.04 | sredna | eckhart: Right :) |
| 13:21.38 | grepper | is it a bitmapped font ? You may have to configure fontconfig to use those types of fonts |
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| 13:21.56 | corecode | no, it is a ttf |
| 13:22.09 | corecode | xfontsel shows it |
| 13:22.18 | corecode | fc-list too |
| 13:22.40 | corecode | i tried to configure it as monospaced in fonts.conf/local.conf |
| 13:22.50 | grepper | yeah, I think konsole only likes monospaced fonts |
| 13:22.51 | corecode | but i don't know where to investigate now |
| 13:23.14 | corecode | it *is* monospaced. Apple's Monaco, terminal.app uses that font, too |
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| 13:27.33 | eckhart | sredna: just when it's going to be too intrusive |
| 13:27.40 | eckhart | *just say |
| 13:28.06 | eckhart | next question: does kmail support moving imap folders |
| 13:28.30 | sredna | eckhart: I haven't a IMAP account, so I don't know |
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| 13:32.55 | canllaith | mmm do I make beef provencale or rendang curry |
| 13:33.00 | canllaith | with this beef |
| 13:33.05 | canllaith | decisions.... decisions..... |
| 13:35.30 | canllaith | :) |
| 13:35.49 | PhilRod | I think he's asleep |
| 13:35.58 | canllaith | oh dr klash go away before I hit you! |
| 13:36.00 | grepper | ok, get the icecubes |
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| 14:03.17 | JustinS | Little question about the login w/kde .. I've noticed that from early on, I haven't had the name/user icons to the left of the username/password lines but I have icons/pictures chosen for the users on this computer? Is there something I might have turned off in the controll panel? (Gentoo computer/KDE 3.3.2). |
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| 14:05.38 | StevenR | JustinS: check the login manager stuff in kcontrol --> system administration |
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| 14:07.31 | JustinS | k .. I'll go seek now .. |
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| 14:09.55 | heideler | grüße |
| 14:11.32 | heideler | hat einer erfahrung mit kde(kontakt) -> xmlrpc -> egroupware ? |
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| 14:12.47 | StevenR | heideler: English please, get more help that way probably. :) |
| 14:13.57 | canllaith | heideler: grüße ! |
| 14:14.25 | heideler | ok has anyone experience with kde(contact) sync over XML layer to eGroupWare solution ? |
| 14:14.36 | canllaith | heideler: can always try in #kontact :) |
| 14:14.43 | canllaith | they will know I think the most |
| 14:15.13 | heideler | *g* |
| 14:15.46 | heideler | canllaith hast du schonmal damit handiert ? |
| 14:16.26 | PhilRod | heideler: I think there's also a #kde.de channel on this server |
| 14:16.43 | canllaith | PhilRod: lol .. you mean apart from half the kde devels |
| 14:16.48 | heideler | *G* |
| 14:17.05 | heideler | kde -> contact part *G* |
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| 14:17.50 | canllaith | heideler: ich koche Abendessen :| |
| 14:17.55 | canllaith | I cannot help :P try #kontact |
| 14:18.04 | heideler | *G* |
| 14:18.09 | heideler | gut ich versuchs woanders |
| 14:18.10 | heideler | bye |
| 14:18.59 | canllaith | lol ok he is going to the other channel |
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| 14:33.16 | Flendor | Bye Phil |
| 14:33.34 | Flendor | Whew, I've missed typing in English :) |
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| 14:35.14 | FrostByte | Can someone point me in the right direction in getting QAmix in my systemtray? |
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| 14:42.34 | sredna | fred87: ksystraycmd --help |
| 14:42.44 | sredna | FrostByte: ksystraycmd --help |
| 14:42.49 | sredna | Bah, ksirc |
| 14:42.53 | FrostByte | hehe |
| 14:42.55 | FrostByte | thanks |
| 14:43.01 | FrostByte | you can call me fred too . . |
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| 14:45.40 | Flendor | Hello illogic-al |
| 14:46.32 | FrostByte | so there isnt like a conf that I can edit to insert QAmix? |
| 14:46.48 | illogic-al | hey Flendor |
| 14:46.51 | kolp | kmenuedit has a switch for that |
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| 14:48.01 | FrostByte | kolp : to insert the QAmix in the system tray? |
| 14:48.39 | kolp | FrostByte: yupp |
| 14:49.05 | FrostByte | well I know how to use kmenuedit to insert it on the taskbar ( or kicker ) |
| 14:49.24 | FrostByte | but how would I use it to insert it on the system tray? |
| 14:49.40 | thiago | you run the program |
| 14:49.45 | thiago | it inserts itself in the system tray |
| 14:49.53 | FrostByte | no, it doesnt |
| 14:49.58 | FrostByte | I have ran the program |
| 14:50.21 | FrostByte | I am using SuSE 9.2 and they switched from QAmix to Kmix |
| 14:50.38 | FrostByte | though QAmix was installed, it is not the default applet in the system tray |
| 14:53.56 | thiago | if the program doesn't place itself in the systray, it doesn't have systray capability |
| 14:59.41 | sredna | ... but you can use ksystraycmd to put it there, and clicking the icon will raise it's main window |
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| 15:09.11 | canllaith | urggg too much cooking |
| 15:11.40 | Frost^ | should kde 4 along with qt 4 be faster than the current kde? |
| 15:11.43 | illogic-al | Now I've gotta find a good windows client. |
| 15:12.12 | illogic-al | Frost^ I think new releases of KDE will always be faster than older releases |
| 15:12.45 | illogic-al | You see, the developers deliberately don't make the desktop as fast as it could be. |
| 15:12.50 | FrostByte | [09:55] <thiago> if the program doesn't place itself in the systray, it doesn't have systray capability <- you are absolutly incorrect. I was using QAmix in SuSE 9.1 . . |
| 15:12.56 | Frost^ | my vision is a linux system working at the speed of win95 :) |
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| 15:13.05 | Frost^ | haha |
| 15:13.14 | illogic-al | That way the users are surprised when a new release w/ all new features come along and the desktop is actually speeider |
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| 15:13.59 | Frost^ | similar to my theory of planting bugs in a product in order to make people pay for the newer version |
| 15:14.03 | Theory | illogic-al, that cycle cannot be repeated indefinately though |
| 15:14.39 | illogic-al | Theory, only in theory. |
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| 15:16.47 | illogic-al | wow. internet explorer sucks a little less as of service pack 2. apparently it has a pop up blocker |
| 15:17.11 | illogic-al | of course it still sucks compared to firefox when it comes to rendering |
| 15:17.34 | Theory | and in other news, apple release the mac mini :-) |
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| 15:18.16 | illogic-al | yeah. headless iMac |
| 15:18.22 | illogic-al | wooooooooooo |
| 15:18.30 | illogic-al | at least it looks sexy. |
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| 15:20.50 | canllaith | illogic-al: the networking was much more solid in sp2 as well |
| 15:21.36 | illogic-al | i'll have to take your word for it. |
| 15:21.49 | canllaith | Well, we support it |
| 15:21.51 | illogic-al | I used internet explorer i think once to download firefox |
| 15:21.54 | canllaith | unfortunately |
| 15:22.14 | illogic-al | actually that's not true. i used it to see how my site looks too :-) |
| 15:23.06 | illogic-al | canllaith, we who? and it what? |
| 15:23.23 | illogic-al | small words help when explaining things to me, but not that small :-) |
| 15:24.50 | rrohde | is there a way I can edit a kdm file to have a "legal banner" appear before login? |
| 15:25.24 | canllaith | illogic-al: we = www.bryson.co.nz and it = windows xp |
| 15:25.52 | illogic-al | rrohde, i think you'd have to replace the kdm pic which is found in $KDEDIR/share/kdm/pics |
| 15:26.26 | illogic-al | canllaith, ah. |
| 15:26.29 | canllaith | you can use the Kcontrol -> System Administration -> Login Manager to do that |
| 15:26.45 | canllaith | on the first tab - there is an option to configure the logo |
| 15:26.59 | rrohde | illogic-al, I don't have a /opt/kde3/share/kdm dir ?! |
| 15:27.23 | rrohde | canllaith, that in response to my question? |
| 15:27.25 | illogic-al | rrohde, i'm probably wrong as I'm not using KDE atm. listen to canllaith |
| 15:27.32 | canllaith | rrohde: yes |
| 15:28.09 | rrohde | canllaith, I mean a legal banner as a gov't PC would display it.. somethin you have to acknowledge by clicking "Yes" |
| 15:28.44 | canllaith | rrohde: Well you could put a banner on there and say 'logging in signals your acceptance of these terms' |
| 15:29.26 | rrohde | in that image field under control centre |
| 15:29.37 | canllaith | Easily, it looks tiny |
| 15:29.39 | rrohde | Oh. you mean the greeting? |
| 15:29.43 | canllaith | but you can put an image in any size you want |
| 15:29.57 | canllaith | Well either that, or you can also put an image in the logo section if you wanted to make up a gif with your text on it |
| 15:30.04 | canllaith | Either or : ) |
| 15:30.26 | canllaith | 'clicking login signals your acceptance of these terms' might be enough to cover you but I guess you'd have to check with your legal dept about that to be sure |
| 15:30.55 | rrohde | canllaith, yeah.. that sounds sufficient! |
| 15:31.10 | canllaith | :) |
| 15:31.14 | rrohde | I work for the FAA Academy and I really push Linux wherever I can :) |
| 15:31.22 | canllaith | FAA? |
| 15:31.32 | rrohde | Federal Aviation Administration |
| 15:31.37 | canllaith | Ah ok then :) |
| 15:31.50 | rrohde | We're their training center |
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| 15:32.46 | canllaith | fair enough :) |
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| 15:34.52 | rrohde | canllaith, I sit there with other instructors and everyonce in a while I hear the cussing when they have another virus or worm... hehe.. Those frew on LInux just continue working :) |
| 15:35.28 | rrohde | I think that the "Ive got a virus" ist just a lame excuse to take more breaks during the day! |
| 15:35.57 | canllaith | rrohde: yep, it's the best advertisement for linux really isn't it |
| 15:36.11 | canllaith | when people work along side you and they see that your computer does not crash... your computer does not get a virus.... :P |
| 15:36.28 | rrohde | canllaith, it is.. and eveytime someoe gets hit, I install Linux on their system in a 2nd partition for dual booting :) |
| 15:36.33 | canllaith | :) |
| 15:36.41 | rrohde | they get the idea |
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| 15:37.06 | rrohde | Heck.. I even run the BOSD screensaver just to blend in with the Windows crowd :) |
| 15:37.06 | canllaith | I am converting 5 machines over to KDE this weekend |
| 15:37.10 | canllaith | for a customer |
| 15:37.17 | canllaith | Not a big convert perhaps, but it is a start :) |
| 15:37.24 | rrohde | KDE on Win? |
| 15:37.29 | canllaith | no no, slackware linux |
| 15:37.33 | rrohde | ah :) |
| 15:37.40 | rrohde | KDE is awesome |
| 15:37.44 | rrohde | just awesome |
| 15:37.45 | illogic-al | nice |
| 15:37.46 | canllaith | yup :) |
| 15:38.05 | rrohde | esp. with some nice schemes, it blows Wintendo out of the water. |
| 15:38.59 | canllaith | Well, unless I can find something open source already that I can simply adapt for our needs, which would be preferable |
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| 15:40.14 | rrohde | rewrite? Office apps? |
| 15:40.25 | rrohde | Here, btw, my new "logon" info for KDM: |
| 15:40.28 | rrohde | %h is a US Government PC that is participating in the Windows to Linux Migration Project. Have a lot of fun! |
| 15:40.59 | sredna | Lol |
| 15:41.01 | canllaith | rrohde: no it is internet cafe software that a: locks down the windows machines to be secure, and b: logs to our sql database on our linux box in town |
| 15:41.08 | canllaith | a: would not be necessary on linux |
| 15:41.26 | rrohde | like a samba network script? |
| 15:41.33 | canllaith | mmm no |
| 15:41.58 | Spg | whats the point of rpm's anyway theres no dependacy checking so whats the reason for them |
| 15:42.09 | canllaith | Spg: dependancy checking :) |
| 15:42.14 | rrohde | canllaith, btw -- I still am NOT able to suspend the KDM screen blanker... I tried everything people told me, but KDM still puts on its screensaver.... :( |
| 15:42.34 | canllaith | rrohde: no idea I don't use kdm I am afraid. |
| 15:42.43 | rrohde | canllaith, what do you use? |
| 15:42.59 | canllaith | I don't use a DM, I boot to runlevel three. |
| 15:43.06 | rrohde | I see. |
| 15:43.09 | Spg | i thought rpm dont have that, if they do then it makes sense |
| 15:43.14 | canllaith | I will no doubt use kdm on the internet cafe though =p |
| 15:43.26 | canllaith | Spg: perhaps you should read about rpm on the net to make a more informed decision? |
| 15:43.44 | Spg | well i used red hat for long enough |
| 15:43.44 | canllaith | as much as it would amuse me to watch people on holiday sit down at console logins, I must not be cruel. |
| 15:43.47 | rrohde | Spg, do not really solve deps.. they're just a easy to install archive |
| 15:44.02 | canllaith | They have dependancy checking. They do not have automated dependancy resolution. |
| 15:44.07 | rrohde | canllaith, yeah.. let them use commandline Internet via links :) |
| 15:44.25 | Spg | ah okay, so its like a redundant dependacy checking potentialty |
| 15:44.51 | rrohde | I wish that RPMs would include ALL the deps for that particular prog.. that's the biggest drawback in Linux still. |
| 15:44.59 | canllaith | I think you misuse the word redundant there Spg |
| 15:45.12 | canllaith | rrohde: well then you would get to the stage where every RPM was 200MB in size =p |
| 15:45.24 | Spg | im thinking in comparison .deb really, i understand what you mean |
| 15:45.26 | thiago | rrohde: RPMs contain all deps for a particular prog |
| 15:45.36 | rrohde | canllaith, I don't believe that. |
| 15:45.49 | thiago | rrohde: or do you mean contain the files, not just a notice saying what to install? |
| 15:45.55 | canllaith | rrohde: where do you draw the line? Do you package glibc and the linux kernel as well? =p |
| 15:45.57 | rrohde | thiago, well.. then they need the libs for their environment, too |
| 15:46.08 | rrohde | canllaith, I am more for libs |
| 15:46.14 | thiago | rrohde: suppose everything was contained |
| 15:46.16 | rrohde | but I see the point. |
| 15:46.24 | canllaith | I build rpms to be dependant only on as simple as things as possible |
| 15:46.29 | thiago | a typical RPM would be megabytes in size, opposed to a few hundred KB they are now |
| 15:46.30 | rrohde | thiago, think Windows *.exe files... :) |
| 15:46.38 | canllaith | although I really should think about putting a certain lib..... in the main RPM |
| 15:46.44 | canllaith | rrohde: uh they do not contain all libs |
| 15:46.46 | rrohde | thiago, well, in 2005 I can handle a few megs :) |
| 15:46.50 | thiago | imagine you're doing a system upgrade. Instead of downloading -- say, 20MB --, it would be 200 MB |
| 15:46.51 | canllaith | They still rely on dynamic libraries |
| 15:47.05 | lauri | and everything would conflict with everything else |
| 15:47.06 | thiago | the extra 180MB would be repeated code |
| 15:47.06 | canllaith | The difference is, there is not 100 distributions of windows with 100 versions of each |
| 15:47.12 | rrohde | thiago, I understand. |
| 15:47.16 | lauri | since they can't all install the same bunch of libs to the same place |
| 15:47.19 | rrohde | canllaith, makes sense, too |
| 15:47.35 | rrohde | lauri, agreed. |
| 15:47.58 | canllaith | He .. somehow..... managed to install the one single dependancy that's not on every linux system to the wrong place. I do not know how |
| 15:48.13 | lauri | oh we planned that, while you were afk |
| 15:48.14 | rrohde | But then RPMs should automatically query a repository to allow you to choose wether you want to solve your deps via Internet. |
| 15:48.19 | canllaith | lauri: heh I love you too |
| 15:48.29 | canllaith | rrohde: ah but this does not have to be implemented at the rpm level and really it should not be |
| 15:48.39 | rrohde | canllaith, why not? |
| 15:48.40 | canllaith | since rpms are for a range of distros. |
| 15:49.08 | rrohde | canllaith, take a noarch rpm.. let it choose its resolve repository |
| 15:49.08 | canllaith | and some are highly specific while some are very generic.... I think suse do a great job at this, and apt/yum for fedora is pretty good too |
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| 15:49.16 | canllaith | Mandrake is falling down here a wee bit |
| 15:49.23 | rrohde | apt to me is very limited. |
| 15:49.24 | apt | rrohde: what are you talking about? |
| 15:49.51 | rrohde | apt finds many "uninstallable" deps |
| 15:49.54 | canllaith | The point is though the more features you put into RPM the harder you make it for it to be the standard linux package |
| 15:50.10 | canllaith | rrohde: apt itself is not responsible for this. Badly configured configuration files, and poorly chosen repos are. |
| 15:50.30 | rrohde | canllaith, might be... |
| 15:50.36 | Spg | canllaith speaks the truth |
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| 15:50.47 | canllaith | and I use slackware |
| 15:50.59 | canllaith | but, I build rpm packages for customers and am the RPM maintainer for another project...... |
| 15:51.17 | rrohde | I find it too limiting though that apt only knows about the packages on my system... a 3rd party package is not even searchable. |
| 15:51.17 | Spg | well, thats it, i dont find an rpm in red hat to be any mor conveniant than a .tgz |
| 15:51.28 | canllaith | rrohde: uhhh that is not true |
| 15:51.42 | rrohde | canllaith, you know that stuff then inside out. I am just an end-user that would like to have an "easy" install :) |
| 15:51.53 | canllaith | Spg: really it isn't if you go all out you can make a slackpack just as fancy as an rpm |
| 15:52.00 | canllaith | because they both have the capacity to run shell scripts at install |
| 15:52.06 | canllaith | so you can go to town, really |
| 15:52.07 | rrohde | canllaith, I am also unable to download a package, then have apt install it and resolve deps via Internet... No? |
| 15:52.15 | canllaith | rrohde: no this is not true |
| 15:52.22 | rrohde | canllaith, well.. educate me then. |
| 15:52.29 | canllaith | If you download it to your apt cache, when you go to install it |
| 15:52.33 | rrohde | For example... gimp 2.2 |
| 15:52.35 | canllaith | apt will see the file is already there and install it from there |
| 15:52.36 | apt | okay, canllaith |
| 15:52.52 | rrohde | canllaith, well.. I don't know what/where my apt-cache is :) |
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| 15:52.55 | canllaith | but basically the RPM is only as good as the person who builds it. |
| 15:53.05 | canllaith | rrohde: ah so really you don't actually know anything about apt? :) |
| 15:53.18 | rrohde | canllaith, only the very basics |
| 15:53.32 | canllaith | So perhaps it is your knowledge of apt that is the limiting factor, and not apt itself? |
| 15:53.37 | rrohde | maybe! |
| 15:54.05 | rrohde | I know apt-get upgrade/update and apt-cach search, where I assume it searches on the Internet? |
| 15:54.12 | rrohde | *cache |
| 15:54.36 | canllaith | rrohde: well it searches the database of packages availible from the repositories you have listed, yes |
| 15:54.51 | rrohde | canllaith, but only in regards to what I have isntalled, right? |
| 15:54.57 | canllaith | rrohde: no |
| 15:55.09 | rrohde | so it offers optional and new packages? |
| 15:55.10 | canllaith | It will query everything availible |
| 15:55.11 | canllaith | yes |
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| 15:55.17 | rrohde | hmm. |
| 15:55.25 | rrohde | but they must exist in the rep? |
| 15:55.40 | Spg | apt-get is great, though i have messed 2 installations with it, you learn to be careful with it |
| 15:55.43 | canllaith | obviously they must exist yes, I would take that to be a given. |
| 15:55.53 | rrohde | must exist in the rep.. |
| 15:55.54 | lauri | canllaith: the difference with freebsd ports is that we can tell it to depend on a lib and not care about the version |
| 15:56.04 | lauri | or "libpng, better than 2.4, but whatever is installed is fine" |
| 15:56.05 | rrohde | so what if the package sits on /home/user/Desktop? |
| 15:56.06 | canllaith | lauri: you can do so with rpm as well but most people are lazy and do not |
| 15:56.27 | canllaith | rrohde: then you can not be lazy, and copy it to /var/apt and then it will be picked up there |
| 15:56.38 | lauri | yes, but let's say, to make it actually depend on a specific version of a specific thing is *more* work and therefore is only done when it really is necessary |
| 15:56.40 | rrohde | canllaith, that is good advise! Didn't know that :) |
| 15:56.46 | canllaith | heh lauri fair enough |
| 15:57.19 | lauri | the other thing is, binary packages that are built, like rpm's, end up depending on the version installed when they built |
| 15:57.34 | rrohde | canllaith, my example is gimp2.2 for SuSE, and it wines about a certain lib. So my solution was to --force --nodeps the install... needles to say.. it doesn't work right |
| 15:57.52 | canllaith | rrohde: fancy that! |
| 15:57.54 | lauri | but our package tools that do the installing, have the logic to get around that, and manipulate the package database post-install to clean it up, so even though that's just like rpm's it doesn't actually *matter* |
| 15:58.22 | canllaith | lauri: fair enough. |
| 15:58.35 | canllaith | So basically it is difficult to make a bad package with ports |
| 15:58.44 | lauri | well, there's always the muppets |
| 15:58.45 | canllaith | and it's very very easy to make one with rpm |
| 15:58.47 | lauri | but it's pretty darn hard |
| 15:59.02 | rrohde | canllaith, so you can say that ANY package inside /var/apt will become apt-aware? |
| 15:59.08 | canllaith | instead of allowing RPM to decide what it wants to link against I use the post install script |
| 15:59.18 | canllaith | rrohde: no ........ |
| 15:59.22 | rrohde | oha |
| 15:59.28 | rrohde | wrong assumption |
| 15:59.34 | canllaith | rrohde: I think perhaps you should read some documentation :) |
| 15:59.54 | rrohde | canllaith, well. just the basics is what I need to put apt back on :) |
| 15:59.59 | lauri | and the package db itself, bunch of text files in a directory with a (multi-format-permitted) db file cache in the top of it's tree, worst case you can just edit them and regenerate the database out of itthose |
| 16:00.11 | canllaith | so, something like |
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| 16:00.37 | lauri | although that's not for the faint hearted, but in a really bad mess up, you can walk even a muppet through it, so long as you tell them to close their eyes, and not touch anything but what you say, and then forget that directory ever exists |
| 16:00.41 | rrohde | canllaith, so packages for my distro will become apt-aware once inside /var/apt ? |
| 16:00.48 | canllaith | rrohde: I believe I already said no :) |
| 16:00.55 | illogical | i have not quit! |
| 16:01.04 | rrohde | canllaith rrohde: then you can not be lazy, and copy it to /var/apt and then it will be picked up there |
| 16:01.14 | rrohde | ^^ that contradicts that statemt |
| 16:01.19 | rrohde | *statement |
| 16:01.27 | canllaith | I basically force RPM in the specfiles to not do any kind of dependancy checking itself and do things like... |
| 16:01.28 | illogical | oh wait, different nick... |
| 16:01.34 | canllaith | #include <gc.h> |
| 16:01.35 | canllaith | int main(){ |
| 16:01.35 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.35 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.36 | canllaith | } |
| 16:01.55 | canllaith | So that will basically check for any version of the garbage collection library it can use |
| 16:01.58 | canllaith | in a sane way |
| 16:02.18 | canllaith | instead of RPM going 'WELL you don't have version 3.4.2-2-mdk installed via rpm so I don't want to play today!' |
| 16:02.36 | canllaith | So it will pick up the lib even if it is installed via sources or another method. |
| 16:02.44 | illogical | lol |
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| 16:03.05 | lauri | oh yeah, that's how port deps are |
| 16:03.24 | canllaith | lauri: so basically I write in three programming languages in my spec files, to make RPM be as sane as ports are. |
| 16:03.25 | Frost^ | does kde have an mplayer alternative? |
| 16:03.34 | lauri | I want libfoo.so.<something>, if it's not installed, I would like to install it from <whatever package/port has it> but I'll take what you have |
| 16:03.37 | canllaith | lauri: so.... I guess that pretty much tells us the more flexible options right there =p |
| 16:03.38 | illogical | ports sounds like good stuff |
| 16:03.43 | sredna | Frost^: KMplayer |
| 16:03.45 | canllaith | ..... and it is not rpm. |
| 16:03.57 | sredna | Frost^: A KDE GUI for MPlayer/Xine/Gstreamer |
| 16:04.08 | lauri | would be " libfoo:${PORTSDIR}/foo " |
| 16:04.18 | Frost^ | oh. I guess I'd better look for it on sourceforge then |
| 16:04.22 | canllaith | rrohde: ok basically apt will install an rpm from your apt cache if it is listed as the dependancy for something or... otherwise in the database |
| 16:04.24 | illogical | sredna kmplayer supports gstreamer now? |
| 16:04.47 | sredna | Frost^: If you have a recent konqueror, go to the URL 'apps:kmplayer' |
| 16:04.50 | sredna | illogical: Yes |
| 16:05.02 | lauri | if you need a version, (say, libfoo.so.2) it'd be libfoo.2:, if you want to depend on something that's not a lib, just point at some unique filename that port installs |
| 16:05.13 | rrohde | canllaith, I see |
| 16:05.13 | sredna | illogical: I haven't tried it yet, but it's indicated in the gui |
| 16:05.19 | illogical | nifteh |
| 16:05.38 | sredna | My thing with gstreamer is that it drags in gconf |
| 16:05.40 | Frost^ | sredna, wow, that's a handy tip! |
| 16:05.41 | Frost^ | thanks |
| 16:05.45 | lauri | *making* a port is insanely easy, making one that works for everyone on every arch with every possible combination of optional dependencies is a bit more work, but most things don't need that |
| 16:06.01 | canllaith | I am happy if my rpms work on every rpm distro with a recent glibc |
| 16:06.21 | canllaith | IF people pay attention to my little linking against gc and then going ´oop! you do not appear to have the lib foo installed please install it :)' |
| 16:06.22 | lauri | we have three tiers of arches to support, and two major versions |
| 16:06.44 | rrohde | canllaith, I just put apt back on my SuSE box ... lets see if I am able to install gimp2.2 :) |
| 16:06.47 | canllaith | (I dont let that stop the rpm from installing cause that is damn annoying if you Do have the lib and rpm just has not picked it up) |
| 16:07.09 | sredna | Frost^: You should look in the konqueror config dialog under 'web shortcuts' for mre goodies |
| 16:07.09 | canllaith | rrohde: is that released now? cause if so, I should grab it :) I am still running the alpha and ... well, it is an alpha |
| 16:07.20 | lauri | tier a (currently i386 and amd64 and ia64) it *has* to work on, or it won't go into the repo, the major versions pretty much come down to gcc 2.95 (and the last release that uses *that* that we need to support is being prepped right now) vs gcc 3.4 |
| 16:07.26 | rrohde | canllaith, it's out! |
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| 16:07.30 | canllaith | rrohde: nice :) |
| 16:07.34 | rrohde | and 2 patches already |
| 16:07.42 | rrohde | /var/cache/apt/archives <--- this is what I have.. all empty |
| 16:07.47 | canllaith | lauri: heh I don't think more than 30 people would be running my rpms amazingly enough |
| 16:07.48 | lauri | the rest of the combos are "it'd be really nice, but if you can't make it go, mark it NOT_FOR_ARCH = alpha or whatever" |
| 16:08.10 | lauri | you'd be surprised heh |
| 16:08.17 | canllaith | rrohde: yeah, I think that's it ;) I don't use an RPM based distro so I can be a bit vague on the specifics unless I actually ssh into one of the redhat boxes to check |
| 16:08.17 | lauri | Matt wrote this little rdesktop kde gui once |
| 16:08.23 | rrohde | canllaith, gimp-2.2.0-100.SuSE.ulb.2.i586.rpm <--- this is what I want to install :) |
| 16:08.33 | lauri | didn't publicise it, put it in ports, didn't even put it on freshmeat or anything, didn't really think anyone used it |
| 16:08.42 | lauri | it only went in ports cos hey, it's easy as hell to do |
| 16:09.02 | lauri | then he starts getting support requests from HP in .nl where 1500 people were using it :) |
| 16:09.07 | canllaith | wow |
| 16:09.28 | canllaith | I don't think that many people have _heard_ of this programming language. At least I damn well hope not cause I need to fix the generic x86 binary tarball =p |
| 16:09.54 | canllaith | or the install instructions. One or the other cause muppet that I am, I listened to one of hte programmers tell me it had to go in prefix=foo and really it was meant to be prefix=bar :) |
| 16:11.13 | lauri | heh, well that's one more advantage ports has |
| 16:11.26 | canllaith | heh no programmers with a conflict of interest with reality? :D:D:D |
| 16:11.30 | lauri | our hier(7) instructions on where stuff goes date back to '94, and haven't been changed much since then |
| 16:11.34 | canllaith | if so I am switching to BSD |
| 16:11.39 | canllaith | ah damn. You got my hopes up. |
| 16:11.49 | lauri | so everyone pretty much a: knows them off by heart, and b: even if we don't like 'em, they are set in stone |
| 16:12.14 | rrohde | canllaith, so, I am about to run apt-get upgrade and get this: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:" , followed by 8 deps. Thought apt can take care of deps? ;) |
| 16:12.27 | canllaith | rrohde: if you configure it properly yes |
| 16:12.33 | canllaith | this proves nothing but the fact that your configuration is flawed |
| 16:12.41 | lauri | although we have a small war going on with GNOME, since the hier instructions say "X toolkits go in /usr/X11R6, applications go in /usr/local" and then is a bit vague about large X applications |
| 16:12.46 | rrohde | canllaith, it says that most are NOT installable. |
| 16:12.54 | Theory | apt "just works" out of the box for me, always has |
| 16:13.05 | rrohde | canllaith, my configuration is "bare and default" :) |
| 16:13.07 | lauri | so GNOME lives in /usr/X11R6 and KDE lives in /usr/local, and Qt lives in /usr/X11R6, and the XDG data dirs have to be /usr/local/etc and /usr/X11R6/etc and that's just silly |
| 16:13.16 | lauri | of course they're wrong, and we're right, gnome desktop is no toolkit |
| 16:13.29 | canllaith | rrohde: apt works for many other people, if you have such problems one can only assume it is your configuration. |
| 16:13.37 | lauri | as for developers unrelated to reality |
| 16:13.49 | lauri | we recently had one remove his software from the OS because it was too popular |
| 16:13.54 | lauri | and he didn't think that was good for his karma |
| 16:14.08 | canllaith | lauri: .. *weak laugh* .... wow |
| 16:14.19 | lauri | because he was getting to much of an ego boost and that's not spiritually healthy |
| 16:14.24 | canllaith | That's.... just bizzare |
| 16:14.39 | Spg | lol what a weirdo hehe... |
| 16:14.44 | lauri | (and in a footnote to that very message "but hey, I'm working on this other really really cool thing") |
| 16:14.46 | rrohde | canllaith, E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. <--- that sounds scary :) |
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| 16:15.00 | lauri | everyone's like "well neat, but nobody is ever going to USE it in case you take it away again |
| 16:15.40 | lauri | it would have been just forked if he'd used some sane license, but there were like 10 files and 8 licenses, and nobody knew what to do |
| 16:15.43 | rrohde | canllaith, and instead of trying to resolv the deps, apt wants to remove the packages requesting those deps :) |
| 16:15.44 | canllaith | rrohde: I think that dead horse is well and truly beaten. Learn more about the tool, and configure it properly. |
| 16:15.49 | lauri | so someone rewrote it over a weekend in perl, and we all got on with life :) |
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| 16:16.15 | canllaith | lauri: heh I bet it made his ego back down to good-karma levels to see how easily he was replaced ;) |
| 16:16.48 | lauri | heh, good point, I'll never know, I killfiled the little idjit, so as to resist the temptation to reply to him :) |
| 16:17.06 | canllaith | hehehe smart move |
| 16:17.29 | lauri | and it was an object lesson in more carefully checking licenses |
| 16:17.37 | canllaith | definitely, a mess like that.... |
| 16:17.48 | lauri | nobody cares much which one you choose, but please pick the same one for your entire application |
| 16:18.02 | canllaith | heh andrew is 'cooking' dinner |
| 16:18.24 | lauri | Matt does that sometimes, but he used to watch jamie oliver when he was living in the uk |
| 16:18.27 | Trevelyan | google not helping... my kde keeps freezing esspecially at start up, it stops at initialising services, a bt later ksplash goes away (w/o proceeding from init services) it sits there for 5 mins, b4 desktop comes, then kicker all of which take are slow to respond |
| 16:18.28 | canllaith | gotta love andrew cooking. |
| 16:18.30 | lauri | so everything is drowned in olive oil |
| 16:18.49 | canllaith | lauri: oh, andrew 'cooking' is usually reheating something I prepared the previous day =p |
| 16:18.53 | lauri | we don't have any channels here that he can see with jamie on, so I have him watching alton brown instead, the food is greatly improved |
| 16:18.59 | canllaith | hahahahaha |
| 16:19.10 | canllaith | Andrew is an ok cook but he wanders |
| 16:19.29 | lauri | matt thinks everything is improved by using herbs |
| 16:19.31 | lauri | any herbs |
| 16:19.34 | lauri | all of them he can find |
| 16:19.39 | canllaith | twice in a row I have had a friend here to stay for a weekend, and then have overslept. Both times this poor friend got stuck eating burnt bacon because Andrew was having an off day. |
| 16:19.40 | lauri | in large quantities |
| 16:19.52 | canllaith | LOL |
| 16:20.00 | Trevelyan | i'vd tried deleting .dcop,tmp,var stuff stuff then loging in again |
| 16:20.01 | lauri | the funny thing is, he doesn't even like pesto, and that's like, herbs and olive oil, you'd think it'd be right up his alley |
| 16:20.29 | Trevelyan | i even did a apt-get --purge remove kde* and then reinstalled it |
| 16:20.57 | lauri | Trevelyan: we are not intentionally ignoring you |
| 16:21.06 | canllaith | Trevelyan: I just don't know the answer |
| 16:21.08 | lauri | I for one just don't know much about debian other than it seems to break a lot :) |
| 16:21.15 | canllaith | Trevelyan: although one thing you can try |
| 16:21.25 | canllaith | a: try another user (a whole new user, create one special) |
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| 16:21.32 | canllaith | b: try another WM - does it do this in gnome? |
| 16:21.39 | Trevelyan | i have root and i created a new normal user |
| 16:21.42 | canllaith | if the answer is yes, the new user is also borked and yes gnome is also borked |
| 16:21.47 | canllaith | Trevelyan: no another user. Another non root normal user |
| 16:22.00 | canllaith | then it might be time to check your hardware. So those are the troubleshooting steps, really. |
| 16:22.19 | canllaith | Then you can narrow it down a bit further |
| 16:22.33 | Trevelyan | e16 works fine |
| 16:22.48 | lauri | hmm |
| 16:22.50 | lauri | actually |
| 16:22.57 | canllaith | Try another user then (not root) |
| 16:22.57 | lauri | 5 minute pause on startup, and intermittent freezes |
| 16:23.20 | lauri | check you have a hostname set, and sane entries in /etc/hosts |
| 16:23.26 | canllaith | oooh yes |
| 16:24.09 | lauri | even when used locally, X is a networked application, it relies on name resolution a lot, and DNS timeouts can give some of the symptoms you see |
| 16:25.01 | Spg | that would affect other window managers though |
| 16:25.15 | canllaith | test it anyway |
| 16:25.18 | lauri | not always, and not always in the same ways |
| 16:25.20 | Trevelyan | its fine i have a fqdn |
| 16:25.40 | canllaith | have you asked in #debian if this is a known issue perhaps? |
| 16:26.35 | Trevelyan | i will, i was hoping it to be known here, and it not easy to have a converstion in #debian and watch any other chan =) |
| 16:26.46 | lauri | well, and there's a bunch of different ways to get your fqdn wrong in hosts |
| 16:26.51 | canllaith | heh |
| 16:26.53 | lauri | some of them will break subtly |
| 16:27.06 | Skiver | hi guys |
| 16:27.17 | Skiver | any idea how to decompress LZH files ? |
| 16:27.27 | Trevelyan | its all dhcp set, bar /etc/hosts |
| 16:27.53 | lauri | so, what do you have in /etc/hosts |
| 16:28.43 | Trevelyan | ip fqdn short-name |
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| 16:29.13 | canllaith | hey hey physos :) |
| 16:29.16 | lauri | well, here we have a problem |
| 16:29.21 | lauri | I can't help you if you won't give me information |
| 16:29.26 | lauri | so I will assume you don't want any more help |
| 16:29.50 | physos | heya ;) |
| 16:30.10 | lauri | since that could be entirely wrong, or entirely right, and there should be at least two of them, different |
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| 16:30.38 | Trevelyan | lauri we both have host masks.... i'll msg it you if that ok? |
| 16:31.00 | canllaith | *blink* |
| 16:31.01 | lauri | what's so frigging secret about your ip address? good grief |
| 16:31.57 | lauri | and it's the localhost line that is interesting anyway |
| 16:31.58 | physos | http://physos.info/microsoft_route.png |
| 16:31.58 | Trevelyan | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 16:32.10 | lauri | does your dhcp script additionally write a second line with the real ip address and hostname when it picks one up? |
| 16:32.28 | lauri | if not, try add the hostname to *that* line (just the shortname) |
| 16:32.29 | canllaith | physos: object not found! |
| 16:32.35 | lauri | ie, the 127.0.0.1 one |
| 16:32.38 | physos | canllaith: Yeah, Itry to find out why |
| 16:32.46 | canllaith | :) |
| 16:32.47 | Trevelyan | dhcp always assigns me the same ip, it tied to my mac |
| 16:33.20 | Trevelyan | 10.10.25.220 dex.-----.ac.uk dex |
| 16:33.27 | lauri | and that's in hosts too? |
| 16:33.49 | physos | ok, now it works, type (miscro --> micro) |
| 16:34.33 | physos | aeh, type --> typo |
| 16:34.37 | canllaith | physos: ah yes ! lol |
| 16:34.46 | physos | canllaith: known one? |
| 16:35.00 | canllaith | physos: yes and when my friend and I saw it we went to the website and put it in to check |
| 16:35.10 | canllaith | it _really_ does that. We could not stop laughing |
| 16:35.45 | canllaith | although, I really don't think they are trying hard enough. Would it be so much more effort for them to go through poland and the czech republic as well? |
| 16:35.50 | canllaith | ;) |
| 16:36.03 | physos | :) |
| 16:36.20 | lauri | and drawing cable over them would be quite a job |
| 16:36.29 | Trevelyan | if changed that line, to a lan private domain, 10.10.25.220 dex.--- dex |
| 16:36.33 | Trevelyan | didn't help |
| 16:36.55 | lauri | while Sweden is heavily cabled all over, and nearly dead flat, so it makes sense to head that way, and then let the swedish carriers do as they like with it |
| 16:37.08 | canllaith | virgiln: no |
| 16:37.08 | lauri | Trevelyan: that's just about the opposite of what i suggested :) |
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| 16:37.13 | Trevelyan | and i am thankful that your taking the time to help. btw |
| 16:37.22 | virgiln | canllaith: thx |
| 16:37.35 | lauri | add the shortname to the localhost line (it can't hurt, trust me on this, I have an honest face - and may fix the problem) |
| 16:37.42 | Trevelyan | sorry i was looking at file when you siad that =) |
| 16:38.04 | Trevelyan | remove the net ip line? |
| 16:38.14 | canllaith | she also somtimes as a bit of highly qualified networking engineer in her ;) |
| 16:38.18 | canllaith | s/as/has/ |
| 16:38.20 | lauri | LOL |
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| 16:38.26 | lauri | bitch |
| 16:38.34 | canllaith | ;) |
| 16:38.37 | lauri | made me snort coffee up my nose :) |
| 16:38.48 | canllaith | hahaha ok, I'm content. |
| 16:39.06 | lauri | which made the dog think I am being attacked by ghosts or something, so she is now standing here barking at mid air |
| 16:39.11 | canllaith | LOL |
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| 16:40.02 | lauri | Trevelyan: if it's first, it should pick that up anyway, and it should always be first |
| 16:40.26 | Trevelyan | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost dex |
| 16:40.37 | Trevelyan | still just sitting there |
| 16:41.00 | Trevelyan | i'm not rebooting btw just ctrl+alt+bs and login again |
| 16:41.11 | lauri | that's enough, hosts changes should be picked up directly |
| 16:41.22 | lauri | refresh me, does linux do nsswitch stuff? |
| 16:41.28 | Trevelyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.30 | lauri | if yes, check that it's actually looking *in* hosts :) |
| 16:41.49 | Trevelyan | hosts: files dns |
| 16:41.52 | lauri | oh that too |
| 16:42.08 | canllaith | oh yes |
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| 16:42.15 | canllaith | :) are you using IPV6 |
| 16:42.20 | lauri | what PhilRod said - set it in the environment and run KDE again |
| 16:42.29 | lauri | that one *would* only affect KDE |
| 16:42.47 | Trevelyan | debain has loaded ipv6 kernel module, but it dont use ipv6 at all |
| 16:43.01 | Trevelyan | i cant rmmod it, says it being used |
| 16:43.08 | canllaith | well just try the export :) |
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| 16:43.18 | Trevelyan | export? |
| 16:43.38 | canllaith | export KDE_NO_IPV6=true I guess ? |
| 16:43.47 | canllaith | or yes... or 1 ... or something..... |
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| 16:43.55 | Trevelyan | i missed phil msg |
| 16:44.30 | Trevelyan | hmm, give me a min to poke gdm to see how =) i head for the xsession scripts |
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| 16:46.11 | Trevelyan | $ echo $KDE_NO_IPV6 |
| 16:46.13 | Trevelyan | ture |
| 16:46.25 | Trevelyan | *true |
| 16:46.40 | Trevelyan | (no copy and paste, different machines obviously) |
| 16:47.36 | Trevelyan | hmm kdeinit's seem to hang around, having to -9 them |
| 16:48.01 | Trevelyan | didn't work |
| 16:48.22 | Trevelyan | did i say thank you btw? |
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| 16:49.45 | Trevelyan | kdeinit: kded |
| 16:50.03 | Trevelyan | its stay even when X gone and needs kill -9 to go |
| 16:50.04 | canllaith | What version? I know you prolly told us but that was a fair while ago =p |
| 16:50.30 | PhilRod | I have KDE_NO_IPV6=1, perhaps it needs to be that instead of 'true'? |
| 16:50.37 | PhilRod | apt: slowstartup |
| 16:50.38 | apt | [slowstartup] http://dot.kde.org/1065244432/1065325080/ |
| 16:50.52 | PhilRod | Trevelyan: ^^ there are also some hints in that thread |
| 16:51.13 | canllaith | theoretically if should take any of the possible ways of representing boolean values... |
| 16:51.25 | canllaith | (1/true/yes... sod what is the other one? I can't remember) |
| 16:51.33 | canllaith | but yeah :) Might be an idea to try it |
| 16:51.48 | Trevelyan | 1 not work |
| 16:52.17 | Trevelyan | kwin -version say: qt 3.3.3, kde 3.3.1, kwin 3.0 |
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| 16:54.09 | canllaith | interesting |
| 16:54.17 | canllaith | firewall ? |
| 16:57.13 | sredna | Wow, it seems like I created my first working kconfigxt thingy |
| 16:57.16 | Trevelyan | that thread trying same stuff as here |
| 16:57.55 | Trevelyan | i am nated, but i use a dns on lan that also resolves local lan ips |
| 16:58.44 | Trevelyan | whats kded suppose to be doing? |
| 16:59.00 | Trevelyan | man says syscoca |
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| 17:00.58 | canllaith | yeah, it triggers updates to kde system database when needed |
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| 17:01.48 | Trevelyan | it apears to hang, ps -Af shows its still there even when X is killed |
| 17:01.55 | canllaith | interesting |
| 17:02.12 | canllaith | you don't have anything like.. home directory exported over an nfs share |
| 17:02.19 | canllaith | or really restrictive permissions on tmp or the like? |
| 17:02.32 | Trevelyan | kill wont get ti, you have to -9 |
| 17:02.42 | Trevelyan | no home is a local ext3 mount |
| 17:02.56 | canllaith | Xsession-errors say anything interesting? |
| 17:03.09 | Trevelyan | and tmp is debain deafult drwxrwxrwt |
| 17:03.11 | canllaith | xsession* sorry |
| 17:04.25 | Trevelyan | i have killed my dm and been using xinit with xterm, then run startkde... sec... |
| 17:04.46 | canllaith | k :) |
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| 17:05.33 | jeppy0 | hello everybode, is there a way to configure qt/kde themes without using kde? |
| 17:05.45 | canllaith | jeppy0: yep 'qtconfig' |
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| 17:05.58 | canllaith | Which may not be in your path, but should be on there somewhere :) |
| 17:06.10 | jeppy0 | canllaith: ah I see, many thx! |
| 17:06.14 | Trevelyan | b4 freeze qpixmap is complaining about no gui being used |
| 17:06.21 | canllaith | yeah does that :) |
| 17:06.25 | canllaith | that is nothing to worry about |
| 17:06.39 | Trevelyan | killed X, nope thats it |
| 17:08.06 | Trevelyan | hmm i have 5 hanging kdeinit, "Starting up..."; dcopserver --nosid; klauncher; kded; kded (ie 2) |
| 17:08.29 | Trevelyan | killall kdeinit; and just a kded left |
| 17:09.01 | canllaith | perms on your home dir are sane? |
| 17:09.12 | canllaith | oh, and this happens as another user yeah? |
| 17:10.16 | Trevelyan | home 775, me 755, my mask 755, and all users get it, i'm trying as root at mo |
| 17:10.48 | Trevelyan | i've deleted my .kde once already |
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| 17:11.36 | canllaith | Trevelyan: that is not relevant..... |
| 17:11.48 | canllaith | try as an entirely different user, not root, not deleting your .kde |
| 17:12.06 | Trevelyan | i have i created 'bob' |
| 17:12.15 | canllaith | there are also sockets in /tmp and files in .local and .config (although admittedly they are not likely to cause this) |
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| 17:12.43 | Trevelyan | i deleted the stuff in /tmp and /var/tmp |
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| 17:15.18 | Trevelyan | bob gets kpersonalizer, all ok, but then ksplash comes up and things freeze |
| 17:15.22 | dao | if you switch to another virtual desktop, you keep seeing the applications which you opened in the former virtual desktop.. is there a way to hide them, like in gnome? |
| 17:15.23 | canllaith | ok |
| 17:15.35 | canllaith | dao: on the taskbar? |
| 17:15.39 | dao | yes |
| 17:15.44 | canllaith | right click on the panel |
| 17:15.54 | canllaith | Configure Panel |
| 17:16.06 | canllaith | Taskbar -> Show Windows from all desktops < untick this |
| 17:16.19 | canllaith | Trevelyan: mmm ok then |
| 17:16.20 | dao | canllaith, hey oke thanks |
| 17:16.23 | sredna | Panel Menu->Configure Panel... |
| 17:16.35 | sredna | Lol |
| 17:16.37 | Trevelyan | i'm going to see what gnome does... (if i'm allowed to mention that here ;-) |
| 17:16.46 | canllaith | Trevelyan: of course lol it is good to test lots of things |
| 17:16.53 | canllaith | I am reading debian mailing lists atm looking for a clue |
| 17:17.08 | canllaith | it IS debian isn't it? and which verison? :) |
| 17:17.16 | Trevelyan | sarge |
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| 17:17.20 | canllaith | kewl :) |
| 17:18.05 | canllaith | sredna: what's the time there? :) |
| 17:18.06 | sredna | 18:20 |
| 17:18.14 | canllaith | Exactly 12 hours differential |
| 17:18.46 | sredna | I can see that on my kworldclock |
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| 17:19.00 | canllaith | :P I should try that |
| 17:19.07 | sredna | (allthough I don't know your exact location) |
| 17:19.26 | canllaith | NZ is all gmt +13 so that works :) and you will soon if I get put on that map :O |
| 17:19.27 | Trevelyan | hmm, while e16 is fine, gnome is just sitting there too |
| 17:19.33 | canllaith | Very interesting |
| 17:20.01 | canllaith | that really points to networking, to me. |
| 17:21.00 | canllaith | do you have a firewall running on that machine? |
| 17:21.10 | Trevelyan | but what? i.ve put things in proper place, all on 127 line, and other network stuff, eg irc mozilla are fine |
| 17:21.21 | Trevelyan | on the machine? yes |
| 17:21.31 | canllaith | how restrictive is it? |
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| 17:21.59 | Trevelyan | sec.. |
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| 17:23.59 | Trevelyan | i've simplified it to core 5 lines for pasting.. |
| 17:24.03 | Trevelyan | iptables -N block |
| 17:24.03 | Trevelyan | iptables -A block -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 17:24.03 | Trevelyan | iptables -A block -j DROP |
| 17:24.03 | Trevelyan | iptables -A INPUT -j block |
| 17:24.03 | Trevelyan | iptables -A FORWARD -j block |
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| 17:24.55 | Trevelyan | it's not bullet proof armor, but i do i have two more cisco machines between me and internet |
| 17:25.28 | canllaith | I have input drop, forward drop, putput accept |
| 17:25.33 | canllaith | output* |
| 17:25.48 | canllaith | (Obviously there are a few ports opened here cause like..... well, otherwise I wouldn't be here :) |
| 17:26.14 | Trevelyan | i just block incomming syn effectively |
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| 17:26.31 | canllaith | so it is unlikely to be that |
| 17:26.48 | canllaith | but your gnome hates you as well..... lol |
| 17:27.31 | Trevelyan | well kde eventually shows me my desktop, but gnome still sitting at splash (since i mentioned i would try it) |
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| 17:28.59 | atrius | hello all |
| 17:29.46 | canllaith | Well Trevelyan ... one thing I would do.... is grab memtest86 if you're on an x86 box and also hdd diagnostic tools from the manufaturer of your hdd |
| 17:30.03 | canllaith | chances are, it isn't your hardware, but even if you're 99.9999% sure it isn't you might as well check :\ |
| 17:30.45 | canllaith | although this really does not sound like that kind of problem but who knows. |
| 17:30.55 | canllaith | hi atrius :) |
| 17:31.13 | Trevelyan | i've done a fsck.ext3 -fcv on all partitions (i not fsck swap) |
| 17:31.17 | atrius | i thought this might be the place to ask.. are there any plans on making the kde background renderer Xinerama aware? |
| 17:31.22 | atrius | hello canllaith :) |
| 17:31.31 | canllaith | Apart from that, I guess we have established that it is definitely a system wide problem |
| 17:31.58 | canllaith | Trevelyan: has it EVER worked properly? Eg, did debian just break one day, or have you installed it and set it up and found it to be broken immediately |
| 17:32.11 | Trevelyan | well if gnome no go, then yes kde off the hook if that what tou mean =) |
| 17:32.23 | Trevelyan | yes it was working fine |
| 17:32.26 | canllaith | Well I would rather have a solution than let KDE off the hook =p |
| 17:32.38 | canllaith | do you have any idea, even silly ones, what could possibly have changed? |
| 17:33.01 | atrius | ahhh... much better fonts |
| 17:33.13 | atrius | i could shoot the gentoo devs for changing use flags like that :( |
| 17:33.20 | Trevelyan | sorry not given a back story... one day my screen frooze, but sshing showed my comp no crash, since i had no kb responce i used ssh to reboot |
| 17:33.33 | Trevelyan | kde not worked since |
| 17:34.20 | Trevelyan | a screen freeze has never had adverse effect on my previous boxes i just reboot |
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| 17:34.50 | Trevelyan | that why i did fsck, and i deleted kde and reinstall it, incase there was a corruption |
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| 17:35.23 | canllaith | ahhhhh ok then |
| 17:35.35 | Trevelyan | unless some kde/gnome common lib at fault? |
| 17:36.18 | canllaith | interesting |
| 17:36.21 | canllaith | I wonder what caused the freeze |
| 17:36.37 | canllaith | since that is probably the key to the whole thing |
| 17:36.57 | canllaith | and I am afraid, that is sometimes a sign of faulty hardware also. |
| 17:37.25 | pingun | hi, i am encrypting my email with kmain (gpg). a pupil of mine cant verify my signature with sylpheed (gpg: BAD signature). is this a PGP/MIME / inline problem? |
| 17:37.35 | canllaith | oh no you had networking nm. Here I am thinking freeze freeze |
| 17:37.40 | canllaith | was it near a kernel upgrade maybe? |
| 17:37.55 | Trevelyan | gfx i assume, system was reponcive, to shh and once i killed X to kb (altough screen didn't return) |
| 17:38.06 | atrius | so... any plans for xinerama on the KDE background? |
| 17:38.19 | canllaith | atrius: yeah I think xinerama support in general is being strengthened |
| 17:38.21 | Trevelyan | kde supports xinerama afaik |
| 17:38.41 | canllaith | I know it is at least in kicker, I would not be surprised if it's part of the kdesktop feature plan too |
| 17:38.43 | atrius | Trevelyan: kde as a whole does, thank God, but the background selection and rendering is clueless on it |
| 17:38.52 | Trevelyan | i have xinerama off, i like two seperet xsessions |
| 17:39.02 | atrius | in fact, it seems the background is the only thing that doesn't do it right |
| 17:39.10 | physos | atrius: thisis on the featuer plan for KDE4 |
| 17:39.31 | atrius | Trevelyan: i did that for awhile, has some advantages.. but you can't move windows from monitor to monitor :( |
| 17:39.40 | atrius | physos: no sooner? |
| 17:39.42 | Trevelyan | i notice that bouncy mouse icon is always on both screen, and the background thing draws to both yes |
| 17:39.54 | physos | atrius: if there is a 3.5, perheaps. |
| 17:40.05 | physos | atrius: 3.4 is already in feature freeze. |
| 17:40.51 | atrius | physos: ahhh :) that's understand able... i was talking to aseigo about it awhile back.. and he pointed me in the direction of the changes that might be needed... and i do know someone who might be willing to take it on... he hasn't agreed yet. and I don't yet know enough to do it without breaking something |
| 17:43.04 | Trevelyan | i'm facing a reinstall =( i installed it about a week ago, and have just finshed setting things up when this happens... |
| 17:43.39 | atrius | Trevelyan: i missed what happened? |
| 17:43.59 | canllaith | unless some #debian people can shed some light maybe |
| 17:44.10 | atrius | pingun: does the pupil in question have a copy of your public key? |
| 17:44.42 | Trevelyan | kde (and gnome it seems) lock up at startup. although kde eventually gets to desktop its still fairly unresponcive |
| 17:45.15 | Trevelyan | you have to be very lucky to get above the noise in #debian, i have asked |
| 17:45.40 | rrohde | will kde eventually support dropshadows under Desktop-Icons? That would look interesting... |
| 17:46.12 | pingun | atrius: yes. he downloaded it from my website |
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| 17:46.33 | Trevelyan | reboot it to run memtest86 now |
| 17:46.36 | canllaith | hi there Beineri :) |
| 17:46.48 | canllaith | Trevelyan: ok give it a few passes if you have time (2, 3) :) |
| 17:47.22 | atrius | pingun: and i presume he imported it correctly? |
| 17:47.23 | *** topic/#kde by Beineri -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | Yes, we know the wiki is down. No, we do not know when it will be back. | KDE FAQ http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ | Don't Flood the Channel use http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 17:47.26 | Trevelyan | i finish work 40 min ago, i think i'll set it off and go home |
| 17:47.37 | atrius | rrohde: i thought it already did? |
| 17:47.45 | Beineri | canllaith: hi jes |
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| 17:48.05 | atrius | Trevelyan: i don't suppose you have any other DEs installed? |
| 17:48.06 | pingun | atrius: hopefuly, its the right key-id |
| 17:48.17 | solsTiCe | hi. is 3.4 beta1indeed 3.3.91 ? |
| 17:48.19 | canllaith | Beineri: how are you? |
| 17:48.28 | canllaith | solsTiCe: yep |
| 17:48.35 | rrohde | atrius, under the icons themselves, not the text :) |
| 17:48.44 | Beineri | canllaith: angry with coolo ;-) |
| 17:48.45 | atrius | rrohde: ahh... yeah, that might be cool :) |
| 17:48.55 | canllaith | Beineri: oh dear! dare I ask? :P |
| 17:49.01 | rrohde | another question: where is the KDE side menu image located? |
| 17:49.01 | pingun | atrius: the key that he is using has my right key-id. so importing should be fine |
| 17:49.10 | solsTiCe | and is there a roadmap or an approximate date of realease for 3.4 ? |
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| 17:49.18 | Trevelyan | gnome (also affected) e16 which runs fine no problem, only kde and gnome (and their apps) freezing |
| 17:49.24 | canllaith | rrohde: that is a really good question and I have no idea, let me see |
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| 17:49.59 | Trevelyan | but i g2g home, now, i dont get paid overtime (yet), good night and thank you for your help |
| 17:50.22 | rrohde | canllaith, I am asking because SuSE has a custom one, but I have to copy it to the right location :) |
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| 17:50.34 | canllaith | let us see |
| 17:50.44 | atrius | pingun: hmmmm..... |
| 17:50.55 | atrius | rrohde: that is a good question |
| 17:50.58 | canllaith | ok |
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| 17:51.12 | canllaith | rrohde: I think it is called kside.png |
| 17:51.18 | canllaith | if you do locate or find for that |
| 17:51.19 | atrius | hmmmm.... is there a way in the control center to change/choose it? that also would be cool :) |
| 17:52.05 | canllaith | No it's not configurable atm |
| 17:52.24 | atrius | so, without wading through changelogs and the like, are there any must have reasons to make the leap to 3.4? |
| 17:52.32 | atrius | or the beta anyway |
| 17:52.33 | canllaith | oh there are LOTS of new features |
| 17:52.35 | canllaith | bug fixes |
| 17:52.39 | canllaith | ah.. the beta... wellll |
| 17:52.44 | atrius | hehehe |
| 17:52.46 | canllaith | there are a few annoying bugs (particularly in Kontact) |
| 17:52.55 | atrius | given the full deal isn't out yet... :) |
| 17:52.56 | canllaith | probably best to wait till the stable unless you are just DYING to find out now |
| 17:53.48 | rrohde | canllaith, ok.. searching |
| 17:54.05 | canllaith | Well I think that is what this is saying =p |
| 17:54.21 | canllaith | hey |
| 17:54.27 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.33 | canllaith | and that makes me think it _would_ be configurable |
| 17:54.44 | atrius | canllaith: one would imagine... |
| 17:54.53 | canllaith | atrius: nah not through the control center |
| 17:55.00 | atrius | there just isn't a good interface to do it, no? |
| 17:55.04 | canllaith | but through the kickerrc |
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| 17:56.36 | atrius | hmmm... |
| 17:56.47 | canllaith | no you wont |
| 17:56.47 | atrius | at least not the one in .kde |
| 17:56.54 | canllaith | it wont write it out until you change it away from defaults |
| 17:56.59 | atrius | ahhh |
| 17:57.00 | canllaith | the file is not fully populated to start with |
| 17:57.15 | atrius | the one in /usr/kde/share/config then? |
| 17:57.19 | canllaith | No |
| 17:57.29 | canllaith | you find the option by reading the kicker source code =p |
| 17:57.35 | atrius | oh, well nuts :) |
| 17:57.36 | atrius | heheh |
| 17:57.53 | canllaith | there are some 'hidden'options I should document |
| 17:58.14 | atrius | so would the format just be SideName=whatever.png? |
| 17:58.37 | atrius | and in the kmenu section? |
| 17:58.45 | canllaith | yknow the easiest way |
| 17:58.52 | canllaith | would simply be to overwrite (copy the old one elsewhere) |
| 17:58.59 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.00 | atrius | yeah, but that's no fun |
| 17:59.03 | canllaith | because that is the default one |
| 18:00.22 | canllaith | heh interesting |
| 18:00.31 | canllaith | if you set SideName= in the kickerrc the default one vanishes |
| 18:00.50 | atrius | canllaith: suppose that makes sense |
| 18:01.01 | canllaith | it does not replace it though |
| 18:01.07 | canllaith | ah |
| 18:01.47 | canllaith | at any rate I would have to ask the maintainer I think - this code is slightly too obscure for me and I would say apart from him I am prolly the next person who knows the most about its 'hidden' options atm heh |
| 18:02.00 | atrius | hehee |
| 18:02.27 | rrohde | I'd love to see a simple search function in the "select icon" dialog in KDE... So I can type maybe 2 letters to narrow down a search for a certain icon for a certain app |
| 18:02.36 | canllaith | there already is a search function |
| 18:02.47 | rrohde | canllaith, but only for one character |
| 18:03.16 | atrius | hmmm... kde-look.org needs a section for kside images :) |
| 18:03.18 | canllaith | mmmmmm no |
| 18:03.28 | canllaith | mine is swearching on more than one character |
| 18:03.34 | canllaith | must be a feature in cvs perhaps |
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| 18:03.57 | rrohde | canllaith, you don't mean the "browse" function? That's no what I mean |
| 18:04.05 | canllaith | rrohde: No, I mean a _search_ function |
| 18:04.12 | rrohde | ok |
| 18:04.23 | aseigo | atrius: i actually looked into it the other day with half a mind to fix it |
| 18:04.27 | rrohde | btw - kside.png wasn't found :( |
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| 18:04.39 | canllaith | aseigo: is it configurable? It looks like it should be almost |
| 18:04.46 | aseigo | atrius: and it looks like the only sane place to do it is actually kdebase/kcontorl/background/bgrender.h|cpp |
| 18:04.49 | atrius | aseigo: i know many would appreciate it :) |
| 18:04.54 | aseigo | canllaith: no, it's not =/ |
| 18:05.01 | canllaith | but it does not look quite like the others |
| 18:05.02 | canllaith | ah :( |
| 18:05.11 | rrohde | but I have this "suse-menustripe" that I would like to use |
| 18:05.16 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.20 | canllaith | that made me wonder |
| 18:05.34 | aseigo | atrius: i looked at doing it in kdesktop and actually wrote some code and in doing realized how messed up that would make things. it's possible, just very, very ugly |
| 18:05.44 | canllaith | can always just overwrite kside.png of course |
| 18:06.23 | aseigo | atrius: so it needs to happen in the renderer itself, which needs to divy up its internal image into screens and do the paint operations within each screen |
| 18:06.26 | atrius | so would the bgrender.h | cpp changes do the ded you think? |
| 18:06.29 | atrius | deed even |
| 18:06.51 | aseigo | atrius: and that's the bulk of the work. changing all the math from using width() and height() and what not to using xinerama screen dimensions |
| 18:07.22 | atrius | aseigo: isn't that available elsewhere? |
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| 18:07.25 | bietch | heya ppl |
| 18:07.32 | aseigo | atrius: isn't what available elsewhere? |
| 18:07.52 | atrius | aseigo: the logic needed to do that? (not a programer here, just seems logical) |
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| 18:08.46 | aseigo | atrius: well, you can find out what the Xinerama screens are and their dimensions easily enough, yes |
| 18:09.17 | aseigo | atrius: and so bgrender needs to keep a list of them and draw a background into each screen's rect |
| 18:09.28 | aseigo | atrius: right now it draws it across all their rects combines |
| 18:09.37 | atrius | aseigo: i see :) |
| 18:10.27 | atrius | nuts... was hoping that kside thing would work :( |
| 18:11.16 | atrius | if you set SideName to anything... it just drops the standard one |
| 18:11.28 | canllaith | ahhhhhhh |
| 18:11.32 | canllaith | atrius: I got it |
| 18:11.34 | canllaith | of course :) |
| 18:11.38 | atrius | canllaith: oh? |
| 18:11.42 | canllaith | $KDEHOME/share/apps/kicker/pics |
| 18:12.01 | atrius | right..... and...... ? :) |
| 18:12.08 | canllaith | place a kside.png and a kside_tile.png inside there |
| 18:12.23 | canllaith | that should work |
| 18:12.32 | canllaith | sorry I am hell sucky at c++ :) Excuse my slowness |
| 18:12.50 | canllaith | although what is the kside_tile thing? |
| 18:12.51 | atrius | oh, well.. yeah.. that works... i was hoping to be able to do it without all that... that way a simple script could be written using kdialog to change it back and forth... |
| 18:13.06 | atrius | one could really do that anyway.. but it would be messy changing files around like that |
| 18:13.21 | canllaith | Well..... ok then |
| 18:13.21 | atrius | you'd end up with extras.. or have to ask if you really wanted to delete old ones.. things like that |
| 18:13.55 | grepper | aseigo: SuCeSs with SuSE :) |
| 18:14.01 | aseigo | grepper: yay! |
| 18:14.10 | atrius | that's true... i'll have to ponder that.. of couse, i'll probably end up forgetting about it... since it only came up just now.. :) |
| 18:14.30 | grepper | very impressive, though I feel a bit lost |
| 18:14.36 | aseigo | canllaith: pffffft.. you could probably make that configurable |
| 18:15.18 | canllaith | aseigo: actully I probably could :) Would it be worth while me trying? and I have that snippet of code around here that makes the kmenu icon configurable too |
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| 18:15.28 | grepper | slight problem with framerates in glxgears though, its 940+ instead of about 620 fps as it should be :P |
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| 18:15.44 | aseigo | canllaith: you've been holding out on me! |
| 18:15.44 | canllaith | grepper: that's a PROBLEM? :P |
| 18:15.46 | aseigo | gasp |
| 18:16.02 | aseigo | canllaith: email me the patch(es) |
| 18:16.02 | canllaith | aseigo: no I not finished :( I do not have a menu for it |
| 18:16.05 | canllaith | becauase franky I suck |
| 18:16.07 | atrius | canllaith: yes, yes it would be worth it :) |
| 18:16.11 | aseigo | canllaith: a menu? |
| 18:16.21 | atrius | it would allow for even more themeability |
| 18:16.23 | grepper | maybe its time to update xorg on my debian box, seems the radeon 7500 driver has had some improvements in the last few months |
| 18:16.24 | aseigo | canllaith: oh. a dialog. that's ok. email me what you have |
| 18:16.34 | grepper | canllaith: ;) |
| 18:16.36 | canllaith | :\ |
| 18:16.48 | grepper | :> |
| 18:17.00 | atrius | btw, does anyone know when people will actually start packaging themes to use with the theme manager? can never find anything aside from RPMs for themes and crap |
| 18:17.11 | atrius | (rhetorical question, i know) |
| 18:17.16 | canllaith | that theme manager seems kinda broken to me |
| 18:17.22 | atrius | canllaith: how so? |
| 18:17.30 | canllaith | well it doesn't work :) |
| 18:17.33 | grepper | aseigo: do you know what happened to osssink in the gstreamer plugins ? |
| 18:17.35 | canllaith | the usual definition of broken |
| 18:17.48 | grepper | alsasink crashes with my card - YMFPCI |
| 18:18.09 | grepper | I installed everything gst related, still no osssink |
| 18:18.14 | canllaith | work* |
| 18:18.39 | illogic-al | atrius the theme manager doesn't actually seem to provde themes. it just defines various parts of themes. |
| 18:18.47 | illogic-al | the only thing it even copies are wallpapers. |
| 18:18.58 | canllaith | and when I go to reapply them they don't work :( |
| 18:19.23 | atrius | good point |
| 18:19.31 | illogic-al | well they worked for me :-p |
| 18:19.35 | atrius | whatever happened to the full theme manager that kde used to have? |
| 18:19.55 | illogic-al | atrius it died along with the full themes it used to have :-) |
| 18:20.18 | atrius | i know i have it here somewhere... |
| 18:21.01 | illogic-al | *anyone |
| 18:21.23 | atrius | hehehe |
| 18:21.27 | atrius | didn't like them did ya? |
| 18:22.49 | illogic-al | how could you tell? |
| 18:22.56 | atrius | oh, i dont know.. just a hunch |
| 18:23.02 | Alethes | is there any way for me to make unread messages in kmail be bold text? |
| 18:23.04 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 18:23.12 | Alethes | 'cause when you highlight them, you can't tell if they're read or not |
| 18:23.14 | Beineri | [17:44] <coolo> Beineri: see? We have no binaries, no announcement text - we should just drop in silently. a 3.4 beta is not like a 3.1 beta where we had nothing released since ages |
| 18:23.25 | Beineri | argl, sorry. wrong tab |
| 18:23.32 | illogic-al | Alethes if you highlight them they become read |
| 18:23.39 | canllaith | lol! |
| 18:23.42 | Alethes | not if you don't use the preview window |
| 18:23.59 | canllaith | very silently, pasting about it in #kde =p ;) |
| 18:24.54 | Beineri | canllaith: now you know why I'm angry with him |
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| 18:25.12 | canllaith | Beineri: indeed. |
| 18:25.35 | atrius | illogic-al: okay, if not the same app.. how about a similar idea? |
| 18:26.11 | Alethes | grrr no message list -- read vs unread option for fonts other than colors |
| 18:26.51 | atrius | Alethes: i'm curious, why not colors? |
| 18:27.03 | illogic-al | atrius, personally I think a theme manager is pointless with the current system. |
| 18:27.09 | atrius | illogic-al: how so? |
| 18:27.21 | Alethes | atrius: the colors are an option, but you can't change the font style for each message status |
| 18:27.31 | Alethes | atrius: if you have the message highlighted, the color is irrelevant |
| 18:27.32 | illogic-al | if you're going to have a theme manager it should include _everything_ you need to get your theme up and running |
| 18:27.39 | atrius | Alethes: true, but i'm wondering why you'd want to? |
| 18:27.49 | atrius | illogic-al: true |
| 18:27.50 | illogic-al | the way kde "themes" are that can't be done without including the styles |
| 18:27.59 | atrius | and... that's a problem? |
| 18:28.13 | Alethes | atrius: because often I have one message or two in the message list, and the first one is highlighted, but unread |
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| 18:28.31 | Alethes | atrius: It's not immediately obvious if it's read or not |
| 18:28.32 | illogic-al | and the styles are really libraries, and libraries link against things and tend to cause problems from one version/distro to the next |
| 18:28.34 | atrius | Alethes: which would make it blue by default, yes? |
| 18:29.02 | atrius | illogic-al: ahhhh... now i understand.. and that explains why styles and such on kde-look.org are rpms and the like |
| 18:29.21 | Alethes | atrius: not if it's highlighted |
| 18:29.29 | Alethes | atrius: if it's highlighted you just see the select colors |
| 18:29.33 | illogic-al | atrius, the other option (the right way to do things imo) is to do the themes how gnome does them |
| 18:29.47 | atrius | illogic-al: not using gnome much... how is that? |
| 18:29.54 | atrius | Alethes: i see what you mean then |
| 18:30.13 | Alethes | atrius: I think my preference in this regard is because I used mozilla mail and evolution for so long |
| 18:30.15 | atrius | Alethes: i wonder if unread messages should be blue... and itallic |
| 18:30.25 | Alethes | atrius: bold, I think |
| 18:30.27 | atrius | Alethes: true |
| 18:30.31 | atrius | Alethes: either way |
| 18:30.34 | Alethes | yeah |
| 18:30.49 | Alethes | if the font settings would allow you to set the font style _and_ the color, then it'd be great |
| 18:32.20 | illogic-al | atrius, well from what i understand gnome uses what they call 'engines' to do the base rendering of a theme (think of kde styles as being equal to gnome engines) and theme theme authors build upon these by modifying images to create various themes |
| 18:32.36 | atrius | illogic-al: that makes sense |
| 18:32.45 | Alethes | gtk themes can use more than one engine |
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| 18:32.55 | illogic-al | a close kde equivalent to this would be the AKDC themes on kdelook |
| 18:33.01 | Alethes | you can use the buttons from one, the checkboxes from another, etc |
| 18:33.03 | atrius | so there is a seperation between the two.. that does make more sense |
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| 18:33.59 | atrius | hmmm... sky just opened up... i guess the rain finally made it |
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| 18:35.05 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 18:35.06 | illogic-al | the only thing with AKDC is that you still have to muck with the source and do compiling to get a finshed theme. with gnome once you have the engine that is necessary installed you unzip a tar into .themes and you're ready to go. |
| 18:35.24 | Alethes | yet another question |
| 18:35.38 | illogic-al | and there endeth my theme ranting for the day |
| 18:35.39 | Alethes | is there a way to do a border around panels? |
| 18:35.55 | Alethes | I have two at the top, one that autohides and overlaps the other when I need it |
| 18:36.04 | Alethes | but it'd be nice if there was a border around it |
| 18:36.30 | canllaith | I think we just got a border |
| 18:36.31 | canllaith | or did we? |
| 18:36.43 | Alethes | dunno |
| 18:36.51 | Alethes | is it style dependent? |
| 18:37.00 | atrius | hmmm..... i need another monitor... hehehe |
| 18:37.10 | illogic-al | you n me both |
| 18:37.18 | atrius | illogic-al: how many are you up to? |
| 18:37.29 | illogic-al | this is my second. |
| 18:37.50 | atrius | ditto here, have a NEC CRT and a viewsonic LCD.. need another LCD |
| 18:38.09 | atrius | hehehe |
| 18:38.47 | illogic-al | i decided to keep it for this POS that i built and one day it just up and died on me |
| 18:38.49 | atrius | i haven't tried it yet, do you guys know what the status of the native openoffice for kde is? |
| 18:38.59 | atrius | well that wasn't nice of it |
| 18:39.03 | canllaith | not bad atrius |
| 18:39.12 | illogic-al | thank that day was when i was moving out of the dorms the day _after_ my final exams. |
| 18:39.12 | canllaith | bit slower than the normal one but then again this is a 500MHz |
| 18:39.14 | atrius | canllaith: might have to try that |
| 18:39.17 | illogic-al | *whew* |
| 18:39.26 | atrius | whew indeed |
| 18:40.41 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/openoffice-kde.png |
| 18:40.54 | canllaith | The thing I love about it, is using kde file dialogs I can use fish:/ urls! :) |
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| 18:41.04 | atrius | there is that :) |
| 18:41.38 | canllaith | man hurry the hell up kicker... I should have done this on my desktop |
| 18:41.46 | Alethes | canllaith: how hard is it to change the icons with OOo? |
| 18:41.51 | canllaith | my poor laptop is going to be here all day doing it |
| 18:41.58 | canllaith | Alethes: no idea at all. |
| 18:42.10 | illogic-al | hello annma |
| 18:42.16 | canllaith | depends what they are on the source I guess, or where they end up - you might just be able to overwrite them |
| 18:42.18 | Alethes | ok |
| 18:42.20 | canllaith | hi annma :) |
| 18:42.27 | Alethes | 'cause I _really_ dislike crystal icons |
| 18:42.30 | annma | hi canllaith, hi illogic-al |
| 18:44.20 | Alethes | ack |
| 18:44.25 | illogic-al | back |
| 18:44.28 | Alethes | the skinny pig is trying to chew on my zipper |
| 18:44.33 | Alethes | not a good thing |
| 18:44.34 | illogic-al | and munching on banana chips |
| 18:45.30 | canllaith | damn I hate my laptop why does it do this always? |
| 18:45.35 | canllaith | libtool: link: cannot find the library `' |
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| 18:46.48 | Alethes | canllaith: think it might be possible to make crystal less color specific? |
| 18:46.53 | canllaith | no idea |
| 18:46.59 | Alethes | canllaith: that's really the biggest thing that I like about gnome icons |
| 18:47.04 | illogic-al | Alethes what do you mean? |
| 18:47.05 | Alethes | you can use them with anything color scheme |
| 18:47.12 | Alethes | illogic-al: they're all blue blue blue |
| 18:47.12 | canllaith | dunno - they don't go very well with pink =p |
| 18:47.14 | Alethes | I don't like blue heh |
| 18:47.21 | annma | you mean red for ex instead of blue |
| 18:47.22 | illogic-al | Alethes you can change the hue |
| 18:47.29 | Alethes | yeah I know |
| 18:47.33 | Alethes | but that affects everything |
| 18:47.33 | illogic-al | Kcontrol -> Appearance -> Icons |
| 18:47.49 | Alethes | I want something like yellow folders, like windows and gnome do by default |
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| 18:48.00 | annma | eeerk |
| 18:48.03 | Alethes | just as an example |
| 18:48.03 | annma | not yellow! |
| 18:48.10 | annma | pliz |
| 18:48.17 | Alethes | I'm still working on the bluecurve completion for kde |
| 18:48.17 | canllaith | gartoon does yellow |
| 18:48.25 | illogic-al | Alethes, then replace the folders with the yellow folder png |
| 18:48.26 | Alethes | gartoon is lame too |
| 18:48.36 | Alethes | illogic-al: yeah, that's possible |
| 18:48.45 | illogic-al | Alethes, i'm not sure there's actually yellow but there is orrnage |
| 18:48.48 | Alethes | I think I'm gonna just end up finishing bluecurve and using that |
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| 18:49.37 | Alethes | I might actually do the gnome hicolor icons as a kde icon theme too |
| 18:49.38 | illogic-al | Alethes, when i say replace i really mean change the folder icon. you don't have to manually go in and overwrite them one by one |
| 18:49.38 | wizri | hey guys have any of you heard of this document relations toolbar thinggy? |
| 18:49.45 | Alethes | illogic-al: yeah, I know |
| 18:49.50 | canllaith | wizri: you would like to get rid of it? :) |
| 18:49.55 | illogic-al | Alethes, why not just do that then? |
| 18:49.57 | wizri | canllaith: please |
| 18:50.14 | canllaith | wizri: if you go into $KDEDIR/lib/kd3 |
| 18:50.26 | illogic-al | everyone loves docuement relations! |
| 18:50.29 | canllaith | you can delete/move the librellinks* |
| 18:50.30 | Alethes | illogic-al: I'm already in the process of completing bluecurve for kde, and I'm using gnome's hicolor to fill in some of the blanks |
| 18:50.33 | canllaith | then it will go away |
| 18:50.38 | canllaith | :) forever. |
| 18:51.16 | illogic-al | w00t! |
| 18:51.25 | wizri | thanks canllaith |
| 18:51.28 | illogic-al | I have on idea for something to right now! :-D |
| 18:51.36 | illogic-al | er, write that is. |
| 18:51.50 | illogic-al | the Illogic-al awards :-) |
| 18:51.55 | canllaith | yw |
| 18:51.55 | annma | lol |
| 18:51.59 | illogic-al | heheheh |
| 18:52.05 | Flendor | Hey annma :) |
| 18:52.08 | wizri | i'm surprised that no one tested it :) |
| 18:52.11 | annma | hi Flendor :) |
| 18:52.17 | canllaith | wizri: it has no maintainer anymore |
| 18:52.27 | canllaith | but I am assured it has been fixed now in cvs head? |
| 18:52.36 | illogic-al | fixed? |
| 18:52.41 | lauri | if by fixed you mean "disabled by default" |
| 18:52.44 | illogic-al | by fixed you mean removed right? |
| 18:52.45 | wizri | yup thanks a lot |
| 18:52.49 | illogic-al | lol |
| 18:52.53 | canllaith | yeah something like that heh |
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| 18:53.55 | annma | wizri: therelations toolbar should have been disabled from compilation |
| 18:55.57 | atrius | oohhh.. i just found a quickstarter for OO.org |
| 18:56.08 | illogic-al | wowo! I can save $95 dollars on Spring Break! |
| 18:58.41 | canllaith | oooh |
| 18:58.49 | canllaith | did I do that, or was it already broken? |
| 18:58.58 | canllaith | my default kicker is a bit wonky |
| 18:59.48 | lauri | is a spring break like a spring roll? |
| 19:00.28 | illogic-al | if a spring roll is like going away for a mini vacation from school, then yes! |
| 19:01.03 | illogic-al | np: The Bee Gees - Tragedy |
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| 19:01.40 | annma | vacations |
| 19:01.42 | annma | ! |
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| 19:02.39 | canllaith | damn aseigo is it bad if I have managed to disable the side pixmap altogether? =p |
| 19:02.44 | illogic-al | I'm off to buy some DVD-RWs and pick up the brat |
| 19:02.45 | aseigo | canllaith: hahahaha |
| 19:02.52 | aseigo | canllaith: depends who you ask i suppose |
| 19:02.56 | illogic-al | k3b does dvd-rws right? |
| 19:02.59 | canllaith | aseigo: lol bugger I guess that didn't work heh |
| 19:03.34 | illogic-al | i suppose i'll find out the hard way |
| 19:03.37 | illogic-al | I'm off! |
| 19:04.51 | canllaith | that might help |
| 19:05.16 | Flendor | I hope it will |
| 19:05.21 | canllaith | mmm but |
| 19:05.34 | canllaith | f (image.isNull()) |
| 19:05.34 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.34 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.47 | canllaith | aseigo: where does that go? |
| 19:06.06 | canllaith | where would I see that.... cause ... I sure don't see any output from kicker at all. It seems perfectly happy that it has no pixmap =p |
| 19:06.06 | aseigo | canllaith: to console. or whever you've assigned area 1210 in kdebugdialog |
| 19:06.25 | canllaith | ahem. I wonder why it's being totally silent then |
| 19:06.31 | aseigo | canllaith: run `kdebugdialog --fullmode` and prepare to be schocked and awed |
| 19:06.51 | aseigo | canllaith: because you need a non-debug disabled build of kdelibs too |
| 19:07.23 | canllaith | mmm hmmmmmmmmmmm of course |
| 19:07.29 | canllaith | :) yes, I remember now |
| 19:07.52 | canllaith | I wonder why the bugger has decided to have no image at all. Least the kmenu one is really simple |
| 19:08.01 | canllaith | as in kbutton |
| 19:09.34 | aseigo | canllaith: did you give it a full path or just the name of the image file? |
| 19:09.39 | canllaith | full path |
| 19:09.50 | canllaith | but if I did it right |
| 19:09.54 | canllaith | oh |
| 19:09.57 | canllaith | where? |
| 19:10.02 | canllaith | full path in kickerrc |
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| 19:11.57 | hackeron_ | how do I use the "Dock Application Bar" panel? |
| 19:17.37 | Flendor | Good night. |
| 19:17.41 | annma | good night |
| 19:17.42 | hackeron_ | oh, never mind, found in the user documentation. |
| 19:17.47 | hackeron_ | night |
| 19:17.47 | annma | is it night already? |
| 19:18.04 | canllaith | no.. it is 8am and still I have not slept :S |
| 19:18.15 | annma | ohhh |
| 19:18.33 | annma | you'll end up like me, caffeine boosted |
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| 19:18.55 | canllaith | heh |
| 19:19.01 | canllaith | would you believe, I have drunk no caffeine? |
| 19:19.05 | annma | for a few minutes I did not remember where I was this morning |
| 19:19.19 | hackeron_ | hmm, is there anyway to dock a konsole window permanently on the child panel or just to the top of the screen so other apps cant maximize over it? |
| 19:19.25 | Flendor | Oh. :/ You two should sleep! |
| 19:19.27 | annma | no caffeine! |
| 19:19.34 | canllaith | None, I am drinking juice |
| 19:19.39 | Flendor | Orange? |
| 19:19.40 | annma | tea? |
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| 19:20.10 | canllaith | so you can imagine I cannot be trusted with complicated equipment like a compiler right now ;) |
| 19:20.32 | Flendor | Bye bye, sweet dreams.. |
| 19:20.37 | can|zzzz | :) |
| 19:20.46 | atrius | hehehehe |
| 19:22.31 | annma | lol |
| 19:22.47 | can|zzzz | :P |
| 19:22.48 | atrius | heheh |
| 19:23.35 | atrius | well damn, i was going to case Sleep |
| 19:23.55 | Flendor | Hehe |
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| 19:25.40 | Flendor | If I were you I would go to sleep too annma |
| 19:26.28 | annma | well, I can't |
| 19:26.39 | Flendor | Too mcuh caffeine? |
| 19:26.44 | Flendor | much, sorry. |
| 19:26.46 | annma | have to get little Leah from school |
| 19:27.14 | annma | I hoped this morning schools would be closed due to the ice |
| 19:27.19 | annma | but no! |
| 19:27.39 | annma | it's like a giant ice-ring outside |
| 19:27.48 | Flendor | :/ I hope everything goes well |
| 19:27.56 | Flendor | Make sure Leah doesn't slide! |
| 19:28.32 | annma | ah, Leah is very happy |
| 19:28.41 | annma | she slides on her bum |
| 19:29.26 | Flendor | LOL |
| 19:29.30 | annma | do you have snow in Istanbul? |
| 19:29.45 | Flendor | NOt right now, but yes, we have snow here in winter |
| 19:29.52 | Flendor | But not very often! |
| 19:30.07 | annma | so it's quite mild |
| 19:30.21 | Flendor | ..and the poor infrastructure means the city gets paralysed when there's heavy snow (or even rain..) |
| 19:30.24 | Flendor | Yes, it is. |
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| 19:30.36 | Flendor | The Eastern cities get pretty cold, however. |
| 19:33.14 | Flendor | I'm gone. |
| 19:33.17 | Flendor | Good night everyone. |
| 19:33.21 | Flendor | See you, annma. |
| 19:34.01 | sredna | Hi annma |
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| 19:34.17 | annma | hi sredna ! |
| 19:34.20 | sredna | I was looking for you earlier, I produced my 1st kconfigxt file today |
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| 19:34.50 | sredna | I have a kate template for such a file if you want it, and I have added a dtd for it to the xml plugin in cvs |
| 19:35.07 | sredna | So that you can get autocompletion |
| 19:35.10 | annma | wooo |
| 19:35.13 | annma | :) |
| 19:35.17 | annma | very nice |
| 19:35.27 | annma | this lightens my day |
| 19:35.50 | annma | is the template in cvs? |
| 19:36.25 | sredna | annma: http://83.73.136.202:8002/kconfigxt.xml.katetemplate |
| 19:36.55 | sredna | Let me know if you have improvements |
| 19:37.08 | StevenR | hi sredna ! |
| 19:37.12 | sredna | Hi StevenR |
| 19:37.43 | sredna | annma: Now a question: Did you ever write a kcm module that uses a designer widget + kconfigxt? Can you point me to an example? |
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| 19:38.43 | annma | hmm, don't they mostly all use that? |
| 19:39.03 | sredna | annma: Maybe :) |
| 19:39.47 | annma | the thing with kconfig xt is to use designer |
| 19:40.29 | sredna | annma: I can see that makeing things very easy |
| 19:40.38 | annma | yes |
| 19:40.47 | annma | I love kconfig xt |
| 19:41.07 | sredna | My config file is containing 1 enum, and the widget has 1 button group with radiobuttons to set it :-9 |
| 19:41.45 | annma | cool |
| 19:41.51 | annma | :) minimalist |
| 19:42.09 | sredna | It allows you to set the behavior of the rellinks toolbar (allways, never, when appropriate) |
| 19:42.22 | annma | template not found |
| 19:42.25 | sredna | I can't think of any other settings for that |
| 19:42.27 | sredna | Oh |
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| 19:42.41 | sredna | On my server, or locally with you? |
| 19:42.49 | annma | your server probably |
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| 19:42.56 | annma | everything is fine here |
| 19:43.08 | annma | Error: Not found |
| 19:43.08 | annma | Requested resource: /kconfigxt.xml.katetemplate |
| 19:43.59 | sredna | Try again, I had misnamed it |
| 19:44.14 | annma | ok |
| 19:45.25 | sredna | Hm |
| 19:47.20 | annma | ok, got it! |
| 19:48.22 | annma | hmm, the colors are back! |
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| 19:48.57 | sredna | If you updated kate, you should eb able to turn them off for real, or yell at me |
| 19:50.18 | guido^pe | Hi, I've recently updated KDE from CVS, and now the option to delete a file is missing from the right-click menu in Konqueror (file browsing mode). How can I get it back? |
| 19:50.37 | guido^pe | (Only move to trash is offered) |
| 19:51.32 | annma | ok, I did not update yet today |
| 19:51.44 | annma | doing kdelibs right now |
| 19:51.54 | sredna | guido^pe: It' |
| 19:52.11 | sredna | S in the control center now |
| 19:52.48 | guido^pe | where? |
| 19:53.12 | guido^pe | oh, found it |
| 19:53.59 | annma | hmm, sredna |
| 19:54.12 | annma | it says it needs my identity from the address book |
| 19:54.20 | guido^pe | well, thx |
| 19:54.22 | annma | I have my identity set in KControl |
| 19:55.07 | sredna | annma: Yes. Jowenns template system requires that you set that |
| 19:55.11 | sredna | In kaddressbook |
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| 19:55.31 | sredna | Maybe I should make it fall back on the stuff in kcontrol again |
| 19:55.58 | sredna | Or offer a own storage even |
| 19:56.36 | annma | yes |
| 19:56.41 | annma | because why kab? |
| 19:57.18 | sredna | I'm not sure about the motivation |
| 19:57.34 | annma | I don't see where to set that |
| 19:57.47 | sredna | No, it's a bit bleak |
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| 19:58.09 | annma | should I create a contact for me? |
| 19:58.14 | sredna | Yes |
| 19:58.17 | annma | god |
| 19:58.21 | annma | this is stupid |
| 19:58.32 | firedance | Hello, is it normal that the system tray icons aint transparent and is there any way to fix this? |
| 19:58.40 | sredna | Well, the persnoal entry can be used for other thigs too |
| 19:59.15 | annma | how does it know it's me? |
| 19:59.20 | annma | it does not in fact |
| 19:59.21 | sredna | After you create it, there is a entry in the edit menu to set it as the personal entry |
| 19:59.31 | annma | :K |
| 20:00.17 | sredna | (it seems that the menu does not update that information, or even ask if you attempt to change it which I find ridiculous, but that is another questoin) |
| 20:01.31 | annma | I don't see how to set it as personal |
| 20:01.38 | firedance | ah i see |
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| 20:02.19 | joss | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.22 | sredna | annma: Here, it's in the bottom of the edit menu |
| 20:02.41 | sredna | 'Set as Personal Contact Data' |
| 20:03.48 | sredna | Everything is crashing :(((( |
| 20:04.25 | sredna | firedance: It's not normal, but not all apps does it right |
| 20:04.48 | firedance | ok, but for me all apps seems to do it wrong |
| 20:04.48 | annma | I still cannot find it! |
| 20:04.54 | sredna | firedance: Apart from fixing the app or icon, I don't know which, there is nothing you can do |
| 20:05.05 | firedance | okay, thanks |
| 20:05.21 | sredna | annma: Argh, annoying |
| 20:05.36 | sredna | annma: It kinda prompts me to do something |
| 20:06.15 | annma | I am in Kontact in the Edit cntact - Anne-Marie |
| 20:06.20 | annma | dialog |
| 20:06.24 | annma | Edit Contact |
| 20:07.05 | sredna | Yes, after filling in you data, finish the dialog |
| 20:07.16 | sredna | Then it is in kontacts edit menu I think |
| 20:07.23 | sredna | Very much not logical |
| 20:08.02 | annma | ohhh |
| 20:08.08 | annma | got it now |
| 20:08.09 | annma | ! |
| 20:08.14 | illogic-al | firedance, are these gtk apps that you're running? gaim, azureus for example? |
| 20:08.20 | annma | quite unfriendly |
| 20:08.20 | sredna | annma: Luckily, it's a one time hazzard |
| 20:08.27 | annma | lol |
| 20:08.34 | annma | from kate this is not needed |
| 20:08.46 | firedance | hmm, gaim and redhat up2date thing |
| 20:08.59 | annma | do you need a copyright in the kcfg file? |
| 20:09.08 | annma | I never wrote one |
| 20:09.33 | illogic-al | firedance, gtk systray entries don't show transparencies in the kde systray |
| 20:09.44 | illogic-al | I'm not even sure they do it in the gnome systray ... |
| 20:10.07 | firedance | okay =( |
| 20:10.08 | illogic-al | it is. |
| 20:10.37 | illogic-al | firedance to fix it you could always replace w/ kde programs :-) |
| 20:11.18 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 20:11.25 | sredna | annma: I'm not sure, I just wanted to add some information about who wrote it. It could say 'author: ' too if that is better |
| 20:12.15 | firedance | hmm, is there any kde program that is as good as gaim? , i only use it for msn |
| 20:12.36 | Dhraakellian | kopete would be the nearest equivalent |
| 20:12.52 | illogic-al | firedance, kopete |
| 20:13.16 | Dhraakellian | I'm not sure how they compare since a) I only occasionally IM people and b) I haven't used Gaim in ages |
| 20:13.27 | annma | sredna: ow we don't use the dtd anymore |
| 20:13.53 | sredna | annma: For kcfg? |
| 20:13.56 | firedance | ok , I will try it. thanks |
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| 20:14.16 | annma | yes |
| 20:14.19 | sredna | annma: Is it invalid? |
| 20:14.36 | annma | maybe not invalid now but it will be |
| 20:14.50 | annma | we use <kcfg xmlns="http://www.kde.org/standards/kcfg/1.0" .... |
| 20:14.55 | annma | and so on |
| 20:14.55 | sredna | annma: Why wont it be updated? |
| 20:15.07 | annma | the dtd was not convenient |
| 20:15.08 | sredna | Ah, namespaces |
| 20:15.25 | annma | there was a long thread about it 2 or 3 months ago |
| 20:15.45 | sredna | I partially remember |
| 20:16.01 | sredna | Hm, is it at least documented anywhere? |
| 20:16.09 | sredna | Undocumented formats sucks |
| 20:16.11 | annma | it should |
| 20:16.40 | sredna | And without a DTD, it's going to be hard to provide editing aid |
| 20:16.44 | annma | http://www.kde.org/standards/kcfg/1.0/kcfg.xsd |
| 20:17.29 | sredna | I just used the HOWTO on developer.kde.org. If that is not valid it should be taken down |
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| 20:19.03 | lauri | there is a schema now no? |
| 20:19.06 | sredna | annma: Can you point me to a sample file using whatever syntax will be used ? |
| 20:19.06 | annma | should be updated, yes |
| 20:19.08 | lauri | which you can equally well validate against |
| 20:19.36 | annma | sredna: kdeedu/khangman/khangman/khagnman.kcfg |
| 20:19.44 | sredna | lauri: Sure, but my search for information did not reveal it |
| 20:19.54 | lauri | personally I think the DTD was quite fine, and the people whining about having to keep their config files in the right order are lame, but nobody asked me |
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| 20:20.09 | annma | lauri: I agree totally with you |
| 20:20.11 | MrPingouin | "yes yes y0" |
| 20:20.28 | sredna | lauri: We also currently have no way to provide editing aid based on the scheme |
| 20:20.30 | lauri | because we have a whole ton of resources dedicated to dealing with DTD's thanks to the doc toolchain, and none for schemas |
| 20:20.33 | annma | a dtd is easy to deal woth |
| 20:20.42 | annma | yes! |
| 20:20.43 | hackeron_ | when compiling KDEMultimedia it gives a notice about not having gstreamer and that artsd will be used instead. Whats better? artsd or gstreamer? |
| 20:20.56 | lauri | sredna: assuming the schema was created out of the DTD |
| 20:21.07 | lauri | and assuming a document valid by the DTD was also valid against the schema |
| 20:21.28 | lauri | I would suggest use the DTD anyway, explain the situation (that the dtd is *stricter* than the schema) |
| 20:21.32 | lauri | since that's what we have the tools for |
| 20:21.39 | annma | the dtd won't be updated along with the schema I suppose |
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| 20:21.45 | illogic-al | hackeron_, that's for juk. |
| 20:21.49 | lauri | no reason it couldn't be though |
| 20:21.58 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: yup. So whats better? |
| 20:22.03 | lauri | in fact, I have somewhere some tools to generate both out of a relaxng schema heh |
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| 20:22.06 | illogic-al | hackeron_, and i think gstreamer is better |
| 20:22.10 | annma | I did not have the courage to raise my voice during that discussion |
| 20:22.15 | lauri | we could probably spit a dtd out of the current schema |
| 20:22.21 | lauri | well, it was franz in the middle of that |
| 20:22.30 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: hmm, in what ways? |
| 20:22.40 | lauri | and any way I spoke up, it would have been "but lauri hates franz and is a big old meanyhead and shoots down all his ideas" |
| 20:23.03 | annma | lol, yeah, I know what you mean |
| 20:23.18 | lauri | which is true, but that's because I think his ideas historically have stunk like rotten horse pooh, not that I hate him |
| 20:23.19 | illogic-al | hackeron_, http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&q=why+artsd+sucks&btnG=Search |
| 20:23.27 | Filip | Hi all, I'm thinking there's something wrong with the Keyboard shortcuts in the accessibility options in the control panel. Although xev registers some of my extra keys (as, for example XF86Cut), Keyboard shortcuts registers a key, but doesn't interpret the X symbol. Anyone with a similar experience? |
| 20:23.42 | sredna | lauri: If a file adhering to the DTD is valid, I'll keep the meta dtd I created for kates xml plugin |
| 20:23.46 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: heh :) |
| 20:24.04 | sredna | lauri: Since the safe autocompletion is very nice with XML |
| 20:24.08 | lauri | yeah :) |
| 20:24.52 | sredna | lauri: I that case, should I keep the DTD declaration, or just replace it with the namespace stuff? |
| 20:24.54 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: doesnt really explain anything. Just mindless ranting and blaming all problems that are nothing to do with arts on arts... |
| 20:25.36 | illogic-al | artsd is prone to skipping. this can be configured but with gstreamer i don't really have to be arsed |
| 20:25.37 | lauri | sredna: it should have the namespace stuff |
| 20:25.47 | sredna | lauri: Thanks |
| 20:26.00 | lauri | we should probably do a bit of testing, to make sure, stuff valid by the dtd still comes out valid by the schema (it *really* should be true, at this point) |
| 20:26.09 | illogic-al | artsd crashes, this can be remedied with bug reports and useful backtraces, but with gstreamer i don't have to be arsed |
| 20:26.23 | lauri | I'll hunt up the conversion scripts I have, if we can keep the dtd up to date with the schema automatically, it would work out nicely |
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| 20:27.54 | illogic-al | essentially artsd <insert unwanted behavior here>, this can be remedied by <insert fix here>, but with gstreamer I don't have to be arsed. |
| 20:27.54 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: I've been using arts for weeks now. Not a single crash. Skipping sound is only with noatun, but I've reported that already. |
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| 20:27.55 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: I use mplayer to play through arts. I can have 5 videos playing, everything is smooth and responsive. It also does mmap emulation for games. |
| 20:27.56 | sredna | annma: New version of the template then |
| 20:28.03 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: (my audiophile card doesnt support hardware mixing) |
| 20:28.13 | illogic-al | hackeron_, it may have stopped crashing but i'll never know since i've stopped using it. |
| 20:28.14 | sredna | annma: http://83.73.136.202:8002/kconfigxt.xml.katetemplate |
| 20:28.25 | annma | :) ok |
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| 20:28.42 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: you should try it again :) -- gstreamer doesnt have the functionality to replace it. |
| 20:28.51 | illogic-al | hackeron_ but if it's working for you just go ahead and use it. |
| 20:29.46 | illogic-al | me? try arts again? naaaaaaaah. |
| 20:30.25 | hackeron_ | illogic-al: some of the functionality is indispensible, but I'm just wondering, should I have gstreamer play through arts? |
| 20:31.34 | sredna | Gstreamer depends indirectly on gconf. |
| 20:31.48 | sredna | That must be solved if we are supposed to use it for KDE |
| 20:32.25 | hackeron_ | sredna: well, how would you change configuration then? -- gnome has that windows like registry :) |
| 20:32.44 | sredna | lauri: Which xml validators can check agains the schema? |
| 20:33.03 | sredna | hackeron_: I don't care, as long as it does not involve gconf |
| 20:33.19 | sredna | hackeron_: It's not acceptable to have to install that. |
| 20:33.43 | lauri | xsltproc can I'm sure |
| 20:33.46 | sredna | hackeron_: As a dependency for KDE |
| 20:33.47 | annma | users don't want a registry |
| 20:34.02 | annma | too difficult to understand |
| 20:34.27 | sredna | He, they never looked inside KDEHOME/share/config :p |
| 20:34.48 | sredna | Who knows what all those 1000ds fo files piling up in there is good for... |
| 20:35.09 | sredna | And which can safely be removed? |
| 20:35.50 | hackeron_ | sredna: yes, I agree 100%, maybe gstreamer will wisen up and split away from gnome however at the moment thats as likely as arts splitting away from KDE :( |
| 20:36.26 | sredna | hackeron_: Arts is kinda out of the saga |
| 20:36.33 | annma | is it? |
| 20:36.38 | sredna | hackeron_: Unfortunate, but it seems to be so |
| 20:36.54 | sredna | annma: It's not beeing developed, barely maintained |
| 20:37.24 | hackeron_ | sredna: really? -- so whats going to happen? -- is arts going to be dropped for KDE4? |
| 20:37.53 | annma | hackeron_: nobody knows yet what will happen |
| 20:38.07 | sredna | hackeron_: I don't know how fast it will happen, it's not even been decided |
| 20:38.15 | lauri | I don't see really how though :) |
| 20:38.16 | hackeron_ | sredna: any succesors to arts? |
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| 20:38.27 | annma | no kde successor |
| 20:38.44 | sredna | lauri: How what? |
| 20:38.45 | hackeron_ | dang. I may just have to switch to gnome now :) |
| 20:39.08 | Dhraakellian | Heresy! |
| 20:39.17 | lauri | how to use xsltproc for validating against a schema |
| 20:40.57 | hackeron_ | Dhraakellian: I'm joking, relax. |
| 20:42.24 | Dhraakellian | !:) |
| 20:43.16 | aseigo | "no kde successor"? |
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| 20:43.51 | lauri | I read that as "kde will not be writing an arts replacement directly" |
| 20:44.05 | lauri | not that kde won't have any sound support in the future :) |
| 20:44.09 | sarah03 | sredna: xmllint can validate against a schema. |
| 20:44.21 | sredna | lauri: Xmllint in fact does support using a schema, but it does not read it from the data |
| 20:44.35 | lauri | oh it probably wants xml catalogs and fun things |
| 20:44.42 | sredna | sarah03: Yea, I found out, but I'll have to manuallly insert the name |
| 20:44.43 | lauri | I have scripts to make those out of sgml ones too, somewhere |
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| 20:45.45 | sredna | lauri: 'xmllint --schema URL file.xml' works fine for kcfg at least -- it says the file validates |
| 20:46.27 | lauri | yeah, i bet if that was in the system catalog it'd work without the URL, but that's a whole road you don't want to go down anyway |
| 20:46.44 | sredna | But again, parsing is needed if kates validation plugin should be made to work with that: A) check for a DTD decl, and b) if not found, check for a schema URL |
| 20:47.02 | sredna | Prolly |
| 20:47.27 | sredna | If there is no DTD or schema, it just checks 'well-formed-ness' |
| 20:48.05 | PhilRod | hrm, XML scariness. I should really get an XML reference book |
| 20:49.17 | lauri | schema's really go against my sgml background grain |
| 20:49.28 | lauri | I like dtd's, I don't understand the antipathy to them |
| 20:49.32 | sredna | annma: When I use a ui file file.ui, what is the source files generated by the kde admin dir? |
| 20:49.41 | lauri | they're very simple, and quite strict, and strict when it comes to having to parse something, is a *good* thing |
| 20:49.57 | lauri | whine whine |
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| 20:50.15 | sredna | lauri: I agree :) |
| 20:50.22 | annma | file.cpp and file.h |
| 20:50.26 | sarah03 | lauri: Considering that they can't really do away with DTDs unless they come up with an alternate mechanism for handling entities... |
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| 20:50.32 | sredna | The DTD is much easier to read |
| 20:50.35 | sredna | annma: Ty :) |
| 20:53.03 | lippel | is there something bad about adding dirs to includes? like #include <kparts/partmanager.h> instead of #include <partmanager.h> and adding /kparts to Makefile.am |
| 20:54.01 | lippel | the latter causes compilation problems regularly, especially when using different prefixes for different modules. |
| 20:55.02 | aseigo | kparts/partmanager.h is the way to go |
| 20:55.09 | aseigo | since it helps "namespace" partmanager.h away |
| 20:55.24 | sredna | lippel: Because the cofiguration adds KDEDIR/include to the search path, and your file is KDEDIR/include/kparts/artmanager.h |
| 20:56.01 | sredna | It also makes the source easier readable |
| 20:56.43 | lippel | sredna: exactly, kompare for example has "-I $includedir/ktexteditor" in its INCLUDES |
| 20:56.56 | lippel | which fails, when kdesdk prefix != kdebase prefix |
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| 20:57.16 | lippel | because includedir is set to kdebase prefix |
| 20:58.01 | lippel | no, its set to kdesdk prefix |
| 20:58.39 | lippel | $kdesdk-prefix/include, to be correct ;) |
| 21:00.34 | sredna | That sounds odd |
| 21:03.50 | lippel | sredna: why? do you expect $includedir to be set to something different? |
| 21:04.42 | sredna | lippel: Not that part |
| 21:05.00 | sredna | <lippel> sredna: Exactly, kompare for example has "-I $includedir/ktexteditor" <== that |
| 21:07.21 | lauri | yes please, I'll have coffee |
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| 21:08.25 | sarah03 | lauri: :) |
| 21:11.09 | aseigo | sredna: good idea |
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| 21:12.35 | lippel | sredna: the strange thing is, neither the Makefile.am nor the failing .cpp file were changed in the last months. and i compiled it with exactly the same prefixes several times since then. |
| 21:12.54 | hackeron_ | I seem to see quite a few people saying arts wont be part of KDE4. Is this true? |
| 21:12.55 | lippel | i love automake |
| 21:13.04 | willis | What do set to enable a session choice ? |
| 21:14.06 | sredna | willis: For KDM? |
| 21:14.07 | virgiln | hackeron_: That's the rumors I've been hearing too... |
| 21:15.04 | willis | want to change from kde ... to gnome .. and others ... |
| 21:15.06 | willis | stuck inside kde right now |
| 21:16.26 | sredna | willis: With recent KDE/KDM, you get an option to start an additional session in your K menu |
| 21:17.03 | sredna | If that iw what you asked |
| 21:17.11 | hackeron_ | maybe I should figure out how to properly configure dmix then :( -- so far all my attempts resulted in skippy video playback in mplayer. |
| 21:17.48 | willis | it is not offering me a session choice option ... need to enable that in control center or someplace ... but where ? |
| 21:18.31 | lippel | willis: you use kdm and there is no session choice? which distribution do you use? |
| 21:18.58 | willis | 9.1 single cdd iso |
| 21:19.04 | willis | have updated |
| 21:19.30 | sredna | willis: 9.1 what? |
| 21:19.31 | FrostByte | SuSE? |
| 21:19.51 | willis | suse 9.1 ... |
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| 21:20.11 | FrostByte | Control Panel, KDE Components, Session Manager |
| 21:20.19 | sredna | willis: In the latest KDE, kdm uses .desktop files to describe the sessions (I supporse they adhere to a freedesktop.org standard) |
| 21:20.20 | FrostByte | that is where your session manager is located |
| 21:20.54 | sredna | willis: In older versions, you can add session types in the control center, in the above mentioned module |
| 21:21.07 | lippel | is there a full gnome on SuSE's single CD iso? |
| 21:21.29 | FrostByte | no lippel |
| 21:21.41 | FrostByte | not on the personal edition |
| 21:21.55 | StevenR | sredna: where do i put a kate syntax file once it's written, and is there an example? |
| 21:22.08 | willis | no gnome was no on the single cd |
| 21:22.25 | aseigo | sredna: it makes it easy to install a new wm/desktop and have it plop in a session .desktop file |
| 21:22.48 | sredna | aseigo: I think it is a very good system (the new one) |
| 21:23.00 | sredna | aseigo: It seems to work very well |
| 21:23.05 | aseigo | yep. a lot of current Linux file system designed is aimed at 3rd party add-ons being able to integrate cleanly |
| 21:23.17 | aseigo | s,gned,gn, |
| 21:24.18 | StevenR | sredna: where do i put a kate syntax file once it's written, and is there an example? I want to make a spice syntax highlighting file, cos kate doesn't have one. |
| 21:25.16 | aseigo | StevenR: share/apps/katepart/syntax/ |
| 21:25.41 | aseigo | StevenR: you can put it in your local dir too.. e.g `kde-config --localprefix`/share/apps/katepart/syntax/ |
| 21:26.02 | StevenR | ~/.kde/share/apps/katepart/syntax/ ? |
| 21:26.24 | aseigo | if ~/.kde is you KDEHOME, yes |
| 21:26.29 | StevenR | thanks aseigo |
| 21:27.38 | sredna | StevenR: Send ti to kwrite-devel@kde.org, and someone -- likely dominik --will write you back or add it |
| 21:27.48 | sredna | Oh :o |
| 21:28.12 | aseigo | StevenR: and yeah, you should email it to the kate peeps so they can include it |
| 21:28.15 | sredna | StevenR: Well, if you want to share it, my comment applies |
| 21:28.56 | Renze | aseigo: it's one of the things little girls are made of :) |
| 21:29.02 | StevenR | aseigo: it's a command line circuit simulator....you feed it text, it feeds you the answers after it's done lots of hard maths |
| 21:29.10 | aseigo | aaah.. right |
| 21:29.26 | aseigo | Renze: hehe... |
| 21:29.32 | sredna | My coffee.. |
| 21:29.44 | annma | gotta go, bbl, bye all |
| 21:29.46 | aseigo | Renze: i've got sugar and spice, but i'm short on "evertying nice". can't make girls this way. nope. |
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| 21:30.12 | Renze | aseigo: pop down to the market, then you an Igor can make a woman :) |
| 21:30.17 | Renze | and* |
| 21:30.44 | aseigo | his isn't isn't igor. it doesn't have a name. it rubs lotion on its skin. |
| 21:30.48 | aseigo | s,his,he, |
| 21:30.53 | aseigo | wow, did i fuck that up |
| 21:31.08 | Renze | heh :) I got the reference :) |
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| 21:32.07 | Renze | 'lo borgy |
| 21:32.15 | Borg^Queen | Hey Renze |
| 21:32.19 | Renze | what's the skinny? |
| 21:32.20 | Borg^Queen | I have an odd problem |
| 21:32.41 | Borg^Queen | In Konq, when I click on the bookmarks on the sidebar, |
| 21:33.00 | Borg^Queen | I get the list of bookmarks but when I click on one nothing happens. |
| 21:33.09 | Borg^Queen | The page stays blank |
| 21:33.17 | Borg^Queen | That's the skinny |
| 21:33.32 | Renze | still with 3.1.x? |
| 21:33.59 | Borg^Queen | Yes |
| 21:35.06 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: we left all those bugs in 3.1 so we'd having something to fix for 3.2 (10k reports closed!) ... but you have to upgrade to feel the love. our nefarious plot doesn't work well if you just stay at 3.1 forever =P |
| 21:35.32 | Borg^Queen | o0 |
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| 21:36.10 | sredna | Hands |
| 21:36.22 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: oh yeah, baby, just like that. more... oh yeah. harder! |
| 21:36.25 | rasput|n | sredna: wait... what? what isn't organic about coffee? |
| 21:36.26 | Borg^Queen | WD40 for me please |
| 21:36.31 | rasput|n | or was that the joke |
| 21:36.34 | Borg^Queen | with a 10/50 chaser |
| 21:36.41 | willis | crap ... |
| 21:36.44 | aseigo | rasput|n: the way it's grown may not be organic |
| 21:36.48 | Borg^Queen | aseigo: you have Renze have so much in common |
| 21:38.00 | Alethes | they're always higher quality |
| 21:38.02 | Alethes | *nod* |
| 21:38.20 | Borg^Queen | Ooooh! |
| 21:38.23 | Alethes | hah |
| 21:38.32 | Borg^Queen | That's nasty |
| 21:38.34 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: i just fake it well. honest. |
| 21:38.38 | Alethes | I'm being sarcastic, of course |
| 21:38.48 | Borg^Queen | lol Hmm |
| 21:38.50 | sredna | Alethes: No! |
| 21:38.51 | Alethes | 'tis my humour |
| 21:39.38 | sredna | Alethes: Btw, I'm using your stylesheet and it is hiding some stuff, often the ad block above pate content, or right of content |
| 21:39.54 | sredna | Alethes: The data is still requested though |
| 21:39.58 | Borg^Queen | Alethes: You're a sick and twisted bastard. You'll fit in well here. |
| 21:40.04 | Alethes | Borg^Queen: hehe |
| 21:40.10 | Alethes | sredna: that's why I also use the hosts file |
| 21:40.20 | Alethes | sredna: did you get link I pasted lastnight? |
| 21:40.34 | Alethes | sredna: it's a list of ad servers that breaks all those requests |
| 21:40.39 | Borg^Queen | aseigo: where can I check how bookmarks are handled, konq said something about inodes |
| 21:40.41 | sredna | Alethes: I actually lost that, so please reat it :) |
| 21:40.47 | sredna | Repeat |
| 21:40.47 | Alethes | sredna: sure, hang on |
| 21:41.10 | Alethes | http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/ |
| 21:41.21 | Alethes | get the host file and add it to your /etc/hosts |
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| 21:41.31 | Alethes | you can also it get it in other formats |
| 21:41.34 | willis | this might take a while .. |
| 21:41.45 | willis | this may take a shile |
| 21:42.08 | Alethes | sredna: it's not a comprehensive list, but it works well |
| 21:42.37 | Alethes | is konq extensible like firefox? |
| 21:42.42 | sredna | willis: ? |
| 21:42.48 | willis | downloading the complete 9.1 package via ftp .. |
| 21:42.55 | sredna | Uh |
| 21:43.04 | Borg^Queen | Alethes: stop looking at me. |
| 21:43.22 | Alethes | o o |
| 21:43.22 | Borg^Queen | ewww |
| 21:43.25 | Alethes | ___ |
| 21:43.30 | Alethes | hah |
| 21:43.32 | sredna | Not that I download less data, using gentoo |
| 21:43.43 | Alethes | allow me to use some of my favorite pickup lines: |
| 21:43.50 | Alethes | You're so pretty when you sleep. I hope you never wake up. |
| 21:44.05 | Alethes | heh heh |
| 21:44.12 | BigCheesyGuy | There you go Alethes gawk all you want |
| 21:44.20 | BigCheesyGuy | Oh and, |
| 21:44.25 | BigCheesyGuy | How you doin' ? |
| 21:44.28 | Alethes | howdy |
| 21:44.31 | Alethes | doin' well |
| 21:44.46 | illogic-al | BigCheesyGuy, hey baby. wanna get together some time? |
| 21:44.48 | Alethes | finally getting over a cold that's been hounding me for a month |
| 21:46.22 | BigCheesyGuy | o0 |
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| 21:46.28 | BigCheesyGuy | Ooooh baby |
| 21:46.30 | StevenR | and illogic-al in another corner |
| 21:46.51 | illogic-al | argh. i can't burn cd isos to DVD |
| 21:46.57 | illogic-al | that's 'tarded! |
| 21:46.58 | Alethes | haha |
| 21:46.58 | bietch | sysinfo1.07.tar <-- what command to decompress this ? |
| 21:47.12 | jepel_tailweaver | bietch: tar xvf sysinfo1.07.tar |
| 21:47.12 | BigCheesyGuy | illogic-al: why not? |
| 21:47.20 | bietch | thanks |
| 21:47.27 | willis | wonder if i could upck the 9.2 iso to a hard drive and use it as install source |
| 21:47.27 | illogic-al | BigCheesyGuy, because nero says so. |
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| 21:47.43 | BigCheesyGuy | You're using whineDOH!s? |
| 21:47.50 | illogic-al | willis, yes |
| 21:48.07 | willis | you can upack the DVD to a hard drive and install |
| 21:48.07 | illogic-al | BigCheesyGuy, yes. |
| 21:48.15 | BigCheesyGuy | bietch: How you doin' ? |
| 21:48.18 | sredna | BigCheesyGuy: Tar x filename |
| 21:48.22 | illogic-al | i'm trying to install freebsd |
| 21:48.42 | BigCheesyGuy | Why are you using whineDOH!s? |
| 21:48.42 | illogic-al | lady luck ain't been with me this week though |
| 21:49.05 | BigCheesyGuy | I've been busy and the change of life as hit me hard |
| 21:49.06 | illogic-al | because linux has been teh suxXxorz |
| 21:49.06 | willis | what do you use to unpack the dvd image ? |
| 21:49.24 | BigCheesyGuy | Use isomount |
| 21:50.09 | Borg^Queen | OOH I have two more people converting to Linux this week. |
| 21:50.17 | Borg^Queen | Say PRAISE THE CODE! |
| 21:50.23 | Alethes | illogic-al: I use fbsd now too |
| 21:50.23 | willis | humm can i install 9.2 over 9.1 ... or would i need a second Hard drive ? |
| 21:50.24 | Alethes | illogic-al: I love it |
| 21:50.27 | aseigo | Borg^Queen: TESTIFY |
| 21:50.35 | rasput|n | i don't know why normal end users try to switch to linux |
| 21:50.35 | Borg^Queen | They shall parse into the kingdom of stability! |
| 21:50.47 | illogic-al | all my converts (except one I don't know about) have gone back to windows. |
| 21:50.55 | Borg^Queen | Because it works |
| 21:51.08 | illogic-al | lmao @ aseigo and Borg^Queen |
| 21:51.09 | Borg^Queen | NONE of my converts have gone back |
| 21:51.10 | rasput|n | Borg^Queen: they will switch back |
| 21:51.24 | Borg^Queen | It's been years and they haven't |
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| 21:51.31 | willis | i've used linux from redhat 5.2 ... just followed it as it has growen up ... |
| 21:51.48 | aseigo | rasput|n: if you do it right and with the right people, they won't. |
| 21:51.56 | Borg^Queen | If fact, if you say whineDOH!s to some of them, they spit at you |
| 21:52.00 | aseigo | it's a lot like cooking or sex in that way |
| 21:52.14 | aseigo | do it right with the right people and they never leave wanting something else |
| 21:52.20 | rasput|n | aseigo: well i would never switch back... but i'm a nerd. |
| 21:52.55 | rasput|n | hrmm did they move styles into kdelibs? instead of kdeartwork? |
| 21:52.59 | willis | i've always been more inpressed with linux .. than windows could ever attempt ... |
| 21:53.03 | Borg^Queen | aseigo: then all I can say is... |
| 21:53.11 | Borg^Queen | I'm too sexy for my computer |
| 21:53.16 | aseigo | rasput|n: no. only the defaults are in kdelibs, like always |
| 21:53.25 | rasput|n | aseigo: mmmk |
| 21:53.39 | rasput|n | kde should take me all day to compile lol |
| 21:53.54 | willis | can i install 9.2 from my existing 9.1 install .. |
| 21:54.12 | aseigo | willis: suse? if you grab the boot.iso you can upgrade ... |
| 21:54.13 | willis | or would i need a second hard drive to store the image |
| 21:54.16 | Borg^Queen | willis: do you have a bootable cd? |
| 21:54.30 | willis | yea .. i got the mini cd burnt |
| 21:54.41 | Borg^Queen | cute |
| 21:54.43 | aseigo | willis: so boot up and follow the prompts. select "Upgrade" when it ofers that optoin |
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| 21:55.03 | willis | mini offers upgrade ? |
| 21:55.27 | willis | using mini has sucked to find find a server .. |
| 21:55.49 | willis | so im am downloading the dvd .. iso ... |
| 21:56.00 | willis | no way to burn a dvd though |
| 21:56.09 | rasput|n | no way to burn a dvd? |
| 21:56.24 | willis | no dvd/rw |
| 21:56.28 | rasput|n | ah |
| 21:56.32 | willis | just cd/rw |
| 21:56.39 | aseigo | willis: sucked to find a server? just grab the addies for a bunch of mirrors and try them one by one until you get one =) |
| 21:56.48 | willis | so i can unpack the dvd to harddrive ? |
| 21:56.58 | illogic-al | yes |
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| 21:57.29 | willis | 7% of the dvd so far .. |
| 21:57.51 | rasput|n | argh, why is kde compiling stuff on make install |
| 21:57.51 | aseigo | willis: the DVD doesn't have all the packages on it though |
| 21:57.53 | Borg^Queen | brb |
| 21:57.54 | illogic-al | Borg^Queen, bah. my converts *need* windows (ok not really true) so i'm allowed some backsliders :-) |
| 21:57.56 | Borg^Queen | hey teatime |
| 21:58.06 | teatime | hi Borg^Queen |
| 21:58.14 | aseigo | willis: you'll still likely need to / want to grab packages later via yast from a mirror |
| 21:58.17 | willis | if it will get me started with kde .. gnome and 9.2 it is a start .. |
| 21:58.43 | willis | im a slave to the x interface ... |
| 21:58.53 | willis | lost and a babe at command line still |
| 21:59.14 | illogic-al | but I'm off to the mdk rescue cd to do some chrooting madness |
| 21:59.18 | illogic-al | later all. |
| 21:59.47 | aseigo | illogic-al: enjoy |
| 22:00.27 | willis | so what would i tell the min distro ... when it ask ? |
| 22:00.35 | willis | installl from hard drive .. |
| 22:00.38 | illogic-al | ok not realy gone yet :-) |
| 22:01.13 | illogic-al | er, cod fish forthe non caribbean among us :-D |
| 22:02.18 | illogic-al | willis if it's like the mdk install cd you tell it to install from the harddrive |
| 22:02.37 | illogic-al | then you type in the path of the iso file |
| 22:02.51 | willis | the 9.2 mini install cd .. normaly for ftp install ... |
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| 22:07.13 | willis | well 15 % of the dvd downloaded .. |
| 22:07.59 | willis | dont i need to unpack the dvd to the harddrive .. so the cd can actualy read teh image .. |
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| 22:10.53 | livingtm | can anyone recommend an app that is kindof like MS publisher? |
| 22:11.23 | Borg^Queen | Scribus |
| 22:12.40 | livingtm | borg^queen: is it open source? |
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| 22:15.01 | Borg^Queen | Yes |
| 22:15.08 | sredna | :< |
| 22:15.32 | Borg^Queen | ? |
| 22:16.12 | Borg^Queen | I'm hoping either Kword or OpenOffice.org Writer will have tabs soon. |
| 22:16.29 | Borg^Queen | If it did, it could be used for producing newsletters and the like. |
| 22:16.37 | mobtek | hmm that would be nice |
| 22:16.48 | Borg^Queen | Yes it would |
| 22:17.10 | mobtek | with mouse wheel scrolling action :) |
| 22:17.22 | Renze | and kung fu grip? |
| 22:17.23 | Borg^Queen | Optional |
| 22:17.33 | Borg^Queen | YEAH! |
| 22:17.37 | Borg^Queen | and karate chop action |
| 22:18.24 | mobtek | werd |
| 22:18.42 | Borg^Queen | lol |
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| 22:30.02 | allanon__ | just updated to the 3.4 beta, and all my menus are full of (!). |
| 22:30.26 | allanon__ | e.g. the kde menu, I have (!)Multimedia, (!)Graphics, etc. |
| 22:30.31 | allanon__ | anyone had the same? |
| 22:30.51 | Borg^Queen | BBL |
| 22:31.17 | sredna | allanon__: Switch style |
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| 22:32.28 | allanon__ | I tried, but I can try again. |
| 22:32.36 | allanon__ | (plastik seems to be gone, but it could be just my packages) |
| 22:32.52 | allanon__ | hm, gmail still don't work in konq. bummer. |
| 22:32.54 | sredna | allanon__: How did you install? |
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| 22:33.14 | allanon__ | arch linux packages. |
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| 22:33.48 | allanon__ | hey, konqueror has this "rss" icon in the bottom right corner like mozilla. "Add to akregator". Sweet :) |
| 22:34.05 | aseigo | allanon__: yerp |
| 22:35.37 | stodge | allanon: it works in 3.3.2. gmail tells you Konq isn't supported, but continue anyway and it works |
| 22:35.58 | allanon__ | yeah, I did. titlebar changes to telling me I have one new mail, but the page stays white. |
| 22:36.29 | stodge | Oh - that's weird |
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| 22:45.40 | dobby_ | does kde has a logout script? like Autostart? |
| 22:46.56 | sredna | Yes |
| 22:47.39 | dobby_ | yes?! so where is the script i have googled know for 5 hours and did not find somthing! |
| 22:47.51 | sredna | dobby_: You can place scripts in KDEDIR/shutdown or ~/.kde/shutdown |
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| 22:48.17 | sredna | dobby_: I dont' think there are any pr default, but you can add whatever you want |
| 22:48.58 | dobby_ | if i understand you right i have to make a file in .kde/ which name is shutdown and there i can insert my commands right? |
| 22:49.50 | sredna | dobby_: No, something like ~/.kde/shutdown/script.sh |
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| 22:50.23 | dobby_ | ah ok because in my .kde i don't have a directory which name is shutdown |
| 22:50.32 | dobby_ | so i have to build one right? |
| 22:50.49 | sredna | dobby_: It must be executable, and not be suffixed ~ or .bak |
| 22:50.58 | sredna | dobby_: Look in your startkde script |
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| 22:52.07 | dobby_ | serda i looked in startkde script and saw the $KDEDIR/shutdown thing but just not understood it. Thanks a lot you really helped me ;-) |
| 22:52.25 | sredna | You are wellcome |
| 22:52.51 | sredna | Now could someone please help me and explain how to make kio_http_cache_cleaner go away for ever |
| 22:54.07 | sredna | It kills me |
| 22:54.13 | sredna | I HATE it |
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| 23:05.36 | XandriX | um stupid question |
| 23:05.51 | XandriX | in kde how do i make a shortcut that will start 3 things at once |
| 23:06.07 | Renze | ? |
| 23:06.16 | XandriX | like |
| 23:06.27 | XandriX | it woudl start 3 eterms at once |
| 23:06.42 | XandriX | with there set position in the window and set geomitry |
| 23:06.54 | sredna | XandriX: Write a script that starts 3 things and point your action at that |
| 23:07.00 | Renze | I'd write a script, and make a shortcut to the script |
| 23:07.04 | XandriX | aaa |
| 23:07.08 | Renze | snap! |
| 23:07.19 | UziMonkey | you can put command1 & command2 & command3 in the application field |
| 23:07.43 | Renze | &&, not & |
| 23:07.50 | UziMonkey | no, & |
| 23:07.55 | UziMonkey | to start it in the background |
| 23:08.01 | XandriX | works thx |
| 23:08.11 | UziMonkey | if you use &&, the second command will only execute after the first exits, and only if it exist successfully |
| 23:08.33 | UziMonkey | *exits |
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| 23:22.29 | illogic-al | yo yo yo homies. |
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| 23:24.41 | livingtm | is it possible to mount a windows-shared printer? |
| 23:25.10 | illogic-al | it's possible to print to a windows shared printer... |
| 23:25.17 | MrGrim | ... |
| 23:25.19 | MrGrim | mount? |
| 23:25.41 | livingtm | well.. okay, print to... in windows, you would "add a network printer" |
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| 23:25.52 | MrGrim | ya and you'd need samba installed |
| 23:26.01 | livingtm | samba is installed |
| 23:26.03 | MrGrim | not running, just installed |
| 23:26.14 | MrGrim | and I'd recommend using cups on the client side |
| 23:26.18 | MrGrim | and the kde print control module |
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| 23:26.22 | MrGrim | it doesn't get much easier than that |
| 23:26.33 | livingtm | mkay, let me make sure i have cups installed |
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| 23:28.03 | MrPingouin | where can I tell kde to turn off my computer after 10 min ? |
| 23:28.48 | livingtm | hmmmm.. im running debian/sarge. apt-get install cups says "Package cups has no installation candidate" |
| 23:29.37 | allanon__ | MrPingouin: "shutdown -h +10" I guess? |
| 23:29.49 | MrPingouin | lol :) |
| 23:30.29 | allanon__ | that was not really that funny. |
| 23:30.38 | MrPingouin | lol again |
| 23:30.45 | allanon__ | anyone gotten the new logitech part of kcontrol to work? |
| 23:30.47 | MrPingouin | no |
| 23:30.48 | MrPingouin | my monitor |
| 23:30.49 | MrPingouin | sorry |
| 23:30.50 | MrPingouin | sorry sorry |
| 23:31.14 | allanon__ | I have a mx510 that can be switched to 800 dpi with logitech_applet, but kcontrol says there is a permission problem, check manual. |
| 23:31.20 | allanon__ | but there is no manual to check :\ |
| 23:31.34 | allanon__ | chmod a+rwx /dev/input/* did not help. |
| 23:35.20 | livingtm | okay, maybe i have cups installed... i tried "cupsdconf", which returned the error "Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server. you probably dont have the access permissions to perform this operation." but Im SU'ed |
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| 23:38.49 | MrPingouin | xset dpms 0 0 600 |
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| 23:39.30 | Renze | livingtm: is cupsd running? |
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| 23:44.47 | livingtm | renze: I think i just installed it |
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| 23:46.34 | Renze | livingtm: that's not what I asked... is the program "cupsd" running? did you start the cups system? |
| 23:47.02 | livingtm | renze: I think i started when i installed it. it just finished installing |
| 23:47.03 | lauri | yo aseigo |
| 23:47.32 | Renze | livingtm: installing doesn't start anything |
| 23:47.54 | livingtm | renze: it said something about starting cups.. so i assumed it wasnt lying |
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| 23:49.00 | Renze | livingtm: ok... I have absolutely no idea what distro you're using |
| 23:49.27 | livingtm | renze: debian/sarge. cupsd shows up in "ps -A" |
| 23:49.58 | livingtm | renze: well, when i get debian under control ill upgrade :-) |
| 23:49.58 | Unbeliever | hello |
| 23:49.59 | Unbeliever | where i can upload an png file to ask for help in a KDE customize? |
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| 23:51.46 | livingtm | renze: okay, im in control center- printers. how do i add a network printer? |
| 23:52.18 | Renze | livingtm: if I'd ever done that before, I would probably be able to tell you... :) |
| 23:52.49 | livingtm | renze: have you ever printed to a windows-shared printer? |
| 23:53.45 | Renze | nope... haven't used windows since 1998 |
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| 23:56.30 | sredna | Re |
| 23:56.40 | Renze | hola anders |
| 23:59.19 | sredna | I thought I lost connection, but maybe it's just verry quiet in here just now... |
| 23:59.51 | mobtek | sssh we're huntinh wabbits |
