| 00:00.20 | sredna | Tomasu: Maybe the ~/.xsession-errors youtgrows your hd :o |
| 00:00.28 | Tomasu | heh |
| 00:00.45 | Tomasu | possible, if it reaches GBs :o |
| 00:01.05 | Tomasu | but that shouldt cause a crash ;) |
| 00:01.06 | sredna | fulld: You can reimplement QListViewItem and keep the pointer private in there |
| 00:01.35 | fulld | sredna: is that the most elegant way? |
| 00:02.06 | sredna | fulld: It's a common way to store a pointer within a listview item |
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| 00:03.06 | sredna | Tomasu: Mine is 1.4M for the day as we speak, but I disable most of the output |
| 00:03.19 | Tomasu | :) |
| 00:03.45 | fulld | sredna: in my case each row refers to a streamripping process... should I implement the listviewitem with all these functions and callbacks inside it? |
| 00:04.07 | sredna | Tomasu: However, it's hard (as inh impossible allmost) to track crashes w/o backtraces. And most apps fails saving configuration if they crash or gets killed instead of nicely shut down |
| 00:04.22 | Tomasu | yeah... |
| 00:04.26 | Tomasu | maybe I |
| 00:04.28 | sredna | fulld: Na, that would be a bit odd |
| 00:04.40 | Tomasu | 'll start a recompile on nice ;) |
| 00:04.50 | sredna | fulld: I'd create a class to contain and handle the process |
| 00:05.00 | Tomasu | excuse my typeing.. I have a cat on my arm. |
| 00:05.04 | Tomasu | ;) |
| 00:05.12 | sredna | fulld: And keep a pointer to a member of that class in the listviewitem |
| 00:06.05 | sredna | fulld: So that the listviewitems paint() method could use it for information, or it could be used to update the text |
| 00:06.13 | fulld | sredna: awesome... so it's more like the listviewitem is just a container |
| 00:06.19 | sredna | My cat! It's out in the cold snow |
| 00:06.48 | StevenR | sredna: why? |
| 00:07.13 | sredna | StevenR: It wanted to go out, it |
| 00:07.18 | sredna | S never seen snow before |
| 00:07.19 | fulld | sredna: so if I reimplement the listviewitem with these goodies, do i have to reimplement listview? |
| 00:07.30 | StevenR | sredna: your cat is crazy |
| 00:07.30 | sredna | StevenR: It looked like it found it very exciting |
| 00:07.46 | sredna | fulld: No |
| 00:07.57 | StevenR | sredna: get it to talk to the emacs psychiatrist |
| 00:08.05 | sredna | Lol |
| 00:11.02 | sredna | Now it came in |
| 00:11.13 | StevenR | sredna: is it cold + damp? |
| 00:11.52 | sredna | StevenR: It had snow on the tail, and it definately felt that it deserved milk |
| 00:12.00 | StevenR | :) |
| 00:12.18 | StevenR | deserved...i like that....cat superiority |
| 00:13.38 | sredna | Darn, I did a make clean on kdemultimedia by mistake :( |
| 00:13.52 | sredna | lauri: Ping |
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| 00:15.20 | lauri | yo |
| 00:15.35 | sredna | lauri: How do you set up ccache? |
| 00:15.48 | sredna | lauri: Did you link it to gcc? |
| 00:16.14 | sredna | lauri: Or g++? |
| 00:16.18 | lauri | and then some :) |
| 00:16.32 | lauri | ~/bin/ (or somewhere else you can pop into the front of your path as required) |
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| 00:16.54 | sredna | Ok |
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| 00:17.03 | lauri | I have these: |
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| 00:17.34 | lauri | CC cc g++ gcc (those are the ones I *know* bits of KDE use) |
| 00:17.55 | sredna | Isn't CC a variable? |
| 00:17.57 | lauri | c++ cc g++295 g++32 g++33 g++34 g++35 g++40 gcc295 gcc32 gcc33 gcc34 gcc35 gcc40 icc icpc |
| 00:18.18 | lauri | heh, that one might be a typo (that second list is what the package installs on FreeBSD) |
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| 00:18.42 | sredna | lauri: Ok, thank you |
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| 00:18.56 | sredna | I think I'll start with the ones related to kde |
| 00:19.13 | lauri | yeah, the rest are probably not necessary, it's just trying to cover all bases |
| 00:19.31 | sredna | Right |
| 00:19.43 | sredna | Putting them in a own directory makes sense |
| 00:20.36 | lauri | yeah, the package installs them in /usr/local/libexec, and I have a "turn off ccache" script to reset the path to without for the odd thing that won't work with it (haven't had to use it in years though) |
| 00:21.02 | lauri | and I've been using it since before there was a package, which is why mine are in my ~/bin |
| 00:21.06 | lauri | I should just use the provided ones :) |
| 00:21.47 | sredna | I''m looking at what the gentoo ebuild installed |
| 00:22.02 | lauri | the problem with setting CC is it doens't get them all |
| 00:22.14 | grepper | debian sets up /usr/lib/ccache with the symlinks |
| 00:22.16 | lauri | stuff getting run by libtool doesn't always pick it up, there's some other reasons it's not always used |
| 00:22.26 | grepper | I think, don't think I did that myself |
| 00:22.31 | sredna | Ccache-config |
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| 00:22.43 | sredna | usage: /usr/bin/ccache-config {--install-links|--remove-links} [ CHOST ] |
| 00:22.51 | grepper | ah |
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| 00:23.53 | lauri | nice |
| 00:24.01 | sredna | I find my ksirc scrips superior, since they recover my nick prior to joining channels |
| 00:24.25 | sredna | He |
| 00:25.07 | StevenR | "Don't Flood the Channel use okok" what's okok? |
| 00:25.42 | sredna | grepper: I actually have all the links in there, I wonder what ccache-config --install-links will do |
| 00:26.04 | grepper | sredna: ah, maybe you just needed to alter the PATH then |
| 00:26.13 | sredna | grepper: Na |
| 00:26.20 | sredna | I think I have to do that myself |
| 00:26.24 | sredna | Which is cool by me |
| 00:26.26 | StevenR | that quote is from /topic..... what does it mean? |
| 00:26.32 | grepper | ? |
| 00:26.39 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.53 | StevenR | ? |
| 00:27.04 | sredna | ... as in I dont' know |
| 00:27.17 | lauri | typo, I guess |
| 00:27.26 | lauri | probably means to say pastebin, ok or something |
| 00:27.32 | sredna | Google says it's a clothing company |
| 00:27.41 | lauri | I have a pastybot in some other channels, should get that in here, he's handy |
| 00:27.45 | lauri | or teach apt about it |
| 00:27.54 | sredna | Not that that makes a lot of sense in this context |
| 00:28.14 | sredna | !pastebin |
| 00:28.19 | lauri | do /whois pasty and follow the url in the info (and don't go pasting random stuff into channels to play with it mmkay) |
| 00:28.23 | sredna | ~pastebin |
| 00:28.25 | apt | i guess pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca |
| 00:28.32 | grepper | maybe it means 0k 0k |
| 00:30.06 | lauri | so, shall we fix it? |
| 00:30.16 | *** topic/#kde by sredna -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | Yes, we know the wiki is down. No, we do not know when it will be back. | KDE FAQ http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ | Don't Flood the Channel use a pastebin | Please, don't advise people to delete their $KDEHOME or other configuration files unless absolutely necessary |
| 00:30.39 | *** topic/#kde by sredna -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | Yes, we know the wiki is down. No, we do not know when it will be back. | KDE FAQ http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ | Don't Flood the Channel, use a pastebin | Please, don't advise people to delete their $KDEHOME or other configuration files unless absolutely necessary |
| 00:30.44 | sredna | So |
| 00:32.30 | StevenR | hurrah! |
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| 00:38.15 | StevenR | night folks |
| 00:38.26 | sredna | Sleep well, StevenR |
| 00:38.33 | StevenR | ty sredna |
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| 00:39.58 | jcook | how are apps suppose to behave ... if the menubar is hidden (ctrl-M) , then the app is closed. Is the application suppose to remember that fact and not show it when the app is rerun, or is it suppose to show it every time? |
| 00:40.39 | jcook | ie ... either konsole is "different", or konversation is wrong |
| 00:40.40 | sredna | jcook: I'd expect them to remember that setting |
| 00:40.58 | jcook | sredna: anyone else's opinion ? |
| 00:41.20 | jcook | ( sredna: I agree with you) |
| 00:41.23 | sredna | jcook: I'd expect it to be part of KMainWindow, but I'm not sure |
| 00:42.02 | sredna | That is of cause a technicality, but most kde apps uses that feature to remember settings for window attributes |
| 00:42.39 | jcook | cool ... doing bug now |
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| 00:53.12 | Borg^Queen | Hey people can anyone tell me what this might mean? |
| 00:53.13 | Borg^Queen | anca: relocation error: anca: undefined symbol: _ZN12QActionGroupC1EP7QObjectPKc |
| 00:54.36 | neko | your computer is speaking in tongues? |
| 00:54.38 | neko | <.<;; |
| 00:55.36 | neko | I guess you can sell it for $$$ on ebay as a religious artifact now though |
| 00:56.05 | Renze | they like them if they're useful and informative |
| 00:56.34 | Renze | technically, no |
| 00:56.42 | Renze | that doesn't work |
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| 00:57.12 | jcook | yeah ... that's why i wondered why i did it ... I just like them before esses |
| 00:57.43 | jcook | 3 bugs in 24 hours ... I gotta start doing some REAL work |
| 00:58.05 | fulld | sredna: so I reimplement the QListViewItem to include a pointer to processController |
| 00:58.41 | fulld | sredna: when the process emits readyReadStdout, I need to update the text in that myListViewItem |
| 00:59.09 | jcook | Renze: is http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97718 a good wish ... or a bad wish? |
| 00:59.24 | fulld | if I connect them all to a function on my dialog... the dialog won't know which myListViewItem to update |
| 00:59.49 | Renze | jcook: developers like wishes that AREN'T rants |
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| 01:00.15 | slayerbob | does anyone know if there is a way to make a desktop scroll about from the keyboard (for when you have a virtual desktop bigger than your physical desktop) and if so how, and please to tell me ? |
| 01:00.22 | Renze | jcook: that classifies as a rant, in my book |
| 01:01.46 | jcook | Renze: yeah ... it was ... ... I was never good at english and essays ... I write exactly what i would say ... that's the only way i know how ... i was a bit anoyed about it last night ... could you tell |
| 01:02.03 | Renze | it's obvious |
| 01:02.15 | Renze | might I suggest a creative writing class? |
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| 01:03.09 | jcook | Renze: its like i "loose patience" cause I "dont understand" what i would have thought simple and logical |
| 01:03.38 | Renze | then I suggest writing your report in a text editor, then read it again 12 hours later |
| 01:03.41 | jcook | Renze: so when i have to try to explain things / put it into words ... i get the shits |
| 01:03.41 | Borg^Queen | OK I'm supposed to redir a app during compile with export WHATDIR= but there are several pwlib dirs? |
| 01:03.57 | jcook | Renze: good idea |
| 01:04.08 | Borg^Queen | there's pwlib in shared and in libs |
| 01:04.14 | Borg^Queen | which one should I use? |
| 01:04.25 | Renze | jcook: it has worked for me in the past |
| 01:04.29 | jcook | Renze: but ... did i make a worthwhile point ... or did i waste my time ? |
| 01:05.17 | Renze | jcook: it's not a feature I care that much about, to be honest... I'm happy with smart window placement, and I only explicitly position maybe 2-3 apps |
| 01:05.50 | jcook | that's not what i meant |
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| 01:06.35 | Renze | sorry, I tend to blank out when reading rants... |
| 01:06.44 | jcook | Renze: did you understand what i was trying to get at |
| 01:07.04 | Renze | hang on, trying to read it again... |
| 01:07.07 | sredna | Night * |
| 01:07.50 | Borg^Queen | night |
| 01:08.22 | Renze | jcook: so you want to give all apps the option of overriding the window manager settings for positiion and stuff? |
| 01:09.00 | Renze | jcook: therefore duplicating functionality? |
| 01:09.20 | jcook | Renze: it has already been duplicated ... ie kate |
| 01:09.32 | Renze | jcook: and that was the kate developers |
| 01:09.34 | Renze | whoops |
| 01:09.37 | Renze | jcook: and that was the kate developers' decision |
| 01:09.40 | jcook | Renze: it was one way to do it |
| 01:10.30 | Renze | jcook: I see your wish being ignored for two reasons: 1) it's a rant, and 2) not many people would really care about such a feature, IMHO |
| 01:10.34 | jcook | the app (done in the kdelibs (if enabled)) would save the settings, and when restarted would suggest to the window manager before it's shown |
| 01:11.07 | jcook | Renze: there was already a bug from 2002 where ppl were adding comments to it |
| 01:11.25 | Renze | jcook: and did that lead to anything? |
| 01:11.25 | gneer05 | Hi * |
| 01:11.38 | jcook | Renze: no ... obviously the deveopers ignored it |
| 01:11.53 | Renze | and I'm sure they have their reasons |
| 01:11.56 | jcook | but now that kwin has the facility ... i dont see why it cant be done now |
| 01:12.16 | gneer05 | Can someone give me a hint, where to disable kmail starting every session again? My ~/.kde/Autostart is empty, so i don't have an idea where to look else |
| 01:12.31 | Renze | gneer05: quit it, and save your session |
| 01:12.54 | gneer05 | Renze: Okay, i'll try. |
| 01:13.34 | Renze | dcop ksmserver ksmserver saveCurrentSession |
| 01:13.55 | gneer05 | Um, the settings are, that the session will automatically saved. Wouldn't that be enough? |
| 01:14.07 | Renze | it should be, yes |
| 01:14.33 | gneer05 | Renze: Hm, but kmail is restarting every new session again. |
| 01:14.38 | Renze | press Alt+F2, and type the line above to force your session to save |
| 01:15.02 | Renze | gneer05: if all else fails, look in ~/.kde/share/config/sessions/ |
| 01:15.27 | gneer05 | I exec'd the dcop stuff. ... Well, then i'll log out now, to see what happens. |
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| 01:18.32 | gneer05 | Renze: Hm, that didn't help. KMail is there again. Any other ideas? |
| 01:18.38 | Renze | gneer05: if all else fails, look in ~/.kde/share/config/sessions/ |
| 01:18.54 | gneer05 | Renze: okay... |
| 01:19.29 | Renze | gneer05: it's also possible your distro has kmail in the global autostart directory... have a look in $(kde-config --prefix)/share/autostart/ |
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| 01:22.26 | flodine | hello folks |
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| 01:23.50 | mutronix | hia ll |
| 01:24.30 | gneer05 | Renze: ~/.kde/share/config/session doesn't contain any reference to kmail anymore (i changed a konqueror_* file); no kmail_* file was there |
| 01:24.48 | Renze | gneer05: see above ^^ |
| 01:24.55 | gneer05 | a look at the share/autostart didn't show any kmail entry (used grep mail `locate autostart | less`) |
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| 01:25.35 | gneer05 | Renze: oops, the less shoudn't be there.. wait a moment |
| 01:26.27 | gneer05 | Renze: ...but that doesn't make any difference. Apparently there isn't any kmail entry in those files |
| 01:26.31 | Renze | gneer05: then I have no idea what might be starting kmail... it most certainly isn't any of KDE's autostart stuff |
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| 01:27.46 | gneer05 | Renze: That prob appeared since i played around with kontact a few days ago. But kontact isn't runnging neither. |
| 01:28.15 | Renze | gneer05: did you check sessions for kontact? |
| 01:29.39 | gneer05 | Renze: in ~/.kde/share/config/session, you mean? Yes, there isn't any kontact/kmail entry. Neither it ist in .../share/autostart. |
| 01:29.59 | Renze | gneer05: then I have no idea... maybe it's distro specific? |
| 01:30.04 | gneer05 | Renze: could it be started somewhere indirectly? |
| 01:30.11 | gneer05 | Hm, it's a debian/testing |
| 01:30.20 | Renze | I know nothing about debian, sorry |
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| 01:30.35 | gneer05 | I just did an update, but that didn't make any difference |
| 01:30.54 | ^JM^ | anyone know what are the files that handle right clicking in view detailed in list in koqnueror? |
| 01:31.17 | Renze | ^JM^: you'd be better off asking in #kde-devel |
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| 01:32.09 | gneer05 | Renze: Do you have an idea, where i could ask further? Better a debian channel or another kde one? Or - a bug report (to who)? |
| 01:32.19 | Renze | gneer05: sorry, no idea |
| 01:32.44 | gneer05 | Thanks for your support. |
| 01:33.17 | ^JM^ | no one answer in #kde-devel |
| 01:33.26 | ^JM^ | Renze: no idea? |
| 01:33.48 | Renze | ^JM^: I'm a user, not a developer... this is the user channel |
| 01:33.55 | ^JM^ | ok |
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| 01:35.18 | annma | what question? |
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| 01:46.14 | TravisBarker | ive got what appears to be a bug in Konqueror, when opening new tabs and sometimes when switching between open tabs, a "Document Relations" toolbar (or sometimes 5-10 of them) attaches itself to the window |
| 01:58.35 | gneer05 | Renze: Thanks for your suggestions. I just wrote a bug report (#97764). Thanks again & bye. |
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| 02:06.21 | annma | hi Oleg_ |
| 02:06.26 | annma | long time no see |
| 02:06.37 | Oleg_ | hi |
| 02:06.53 | Oleg_ | I gotta clean my room |
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| 02:08.21 | Oleg_ | I am gonna talk to you people some other time |
| 02:09.09 | grepper | guess telling us gave him strength |
| 02:11.11 | xerxes1358 | Anyone here has PlastikQ theme on kde ? |
| 02:11.50 | jadrian | never heard of it |
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| 02:15.03 | mike | Hi |
| 02:15.38 | mike | anyone here know 3.4.0_beta1 very well? |
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| 02:19.13 | annma | yes |
| 02:19.23 | annma | I have cvs HEAD on my machine |
| 02:19.55 | mike | I have just installed the beta on my gentoo laptop. I love it but I cannot get any volume control. |
| 02:20.24 | annma | in kmix? |
| 02:20.28 | mike | the kmix volume level will go up and I get sound but it returns to 0 immediatly |
| 02:20.38 | annma | oh |
| 02:20.50 | annma | for a new user as well? |
| 02:20.58 | mike | Also there is a big horizontal volume pop up box always in teh middle of the screen.. |
| 02:21.39 | mike | I will have to check a new user. Although I did delete kderc, kmixrc, ... |
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| 02:22.10 | annma | volume popup? |
| 02:22.17 | annma | middle of what screen? |
| 02:22.21 | annma | screenshot? |
| 02:22.40 | mike | yes, I've never seen it before... right in the center of all screens.. |
| 02:23.52 | mike | sound still works in 3.3.2 as expected on the same machine |
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| 02:25.20 | mike | I have a screenshot.. |
| 02:26.30 | mike | can you get it? |
| 02:27.13 | annma | paste it here: http://www.imageshack.us/ |
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| 02:30.49 | mike | http://img161.exs.cx/img161/6880/snapshot11na.png |
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| 02:31.53 | xeper_ | Ugh... default KDE fonts are so damn huge |
| 02:32.22 | xeper_ | mike: Are you on a laptop? |
| 02:32.55 | mike | yes |
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| 02:34.17 | annma | when you quit KMix does that bar go? |
| 02:34.56 | annma | that volume bar? |
| 02:35.12 | mike | I cant kill it, I kill kmix and it restarts immediatly |
| 02:35.21 | _root_ | ? |
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| 02:36.34 | annma | what restart? |
| 02:36.36 | annma | kmix? |
| 02:36.40 | mike | yes |
| 02:36.44 | annma | wooo |
| 02:36.54 | xeper_ | mike: It looks a lot like the builtin laptop volume control. |
| 02:37.12 | xeper_ | mike: Have you tried playing with your laptop's volume buttons? |
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| 02:37.30 | annma | what laptop is it, mike? |
| 02:37.36 | mike | hmmm... yes, they have never worked with linux...... Dell 8600 |
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| 02:40.33 | annma | did you update the kernel as well as kde? |
| 02:40.43 | mike | no |
| 02:40.51 | Alethes | I seem to remember having that problem before |
| 02:40.57 | mike | 2.6.10-ck3 |
| 02:40.59 | Alethes | I can't remember what caused it though heh |
| 02:41.09 | mike | lol.... hate that |
| 02:41.16 | Alethes | I'm thinking it was either a permissions problem or a problem with another process accessing the device |
| 02:41.44 | xeper_ | mike: Is that only in KDE, or in all desktop environments? |
| 02:42.08 | mike | only in kde-3.4.0_beta1, kde-3.3.2 is fine.. |
| 02:42.25 | xeper_ | Heh, dude, that would piss me off hardcore. |
| 02:44.28 | x_camel | 3.4.0 NRPT ? |
| 02:44.40 | x_camel | hmmm Paul's back |
| 02:45.15 | mike | NRPT? |
| 02:46.10 | x_camel | sorry - not-ready-fpr-prime-time |
| 02:46.35 | Alethes | how difficult would it be for konq to show thumbs of the webpages when you hover over tabs? |
| 02:46.48 | Alethes | or even use those thumbs for tabs on the side? |
| 02:47.35 | Alethes | thumbs on the side for tabs would rock for any tabbed apps |
| 02:47.46 | Alethes | although its less useful in irc and IM :) |
| 02:47.59 | Alethes | but it could probably even zoom on hover in those cases |
| 02:48.07 | x_camel | interesting idea though |
| 02:48.57 | Alethes | if you did just the hover thumb, it wouldn't take up as much space and would be less disruptive, probably |
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| 02:49.06 | mike | Same thing with new user, except I get a /dev/dsp permisin error, ? |
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| 02:49.45 | gneer | Renze: Are you still online? |
| 02:49.54 | Renze | mostly |
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| 02:50.43 | gneer | Renze: I found out that starting knotes implicitely starts kmail too. But only in my main user account. Any idea, where to switch off that behaviour? |
| 02:51.03 | darkcmd | http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.3/snapshot3.png |
| 02:51.04 | kendrick | re |
| 02:51.06 | Renze | gneer: sorry, that's a new one on me... never seen that behaviour |
| 02:51.09 | darkcmd | what splash screen is that on the left |
| 02:51.21 | gneer | Renze: okay, thanks |
| 02:51.44 | Renze | darkcmd: one of the defaults that comes with KDE |
| 02:51.51 | darkcmd | ok |
| 02:51.55 | darkcmd | so it comes with that one? |
| 02:52.21 | Renze | well, it's included in the tarballs... but I guess some distros could exclude it |
| 02:52.57 | darkcmd | ok thanks |
| 02:54.28 | mike | any ideas? |
| 02:55.19 | mike | the /dev/dsp is rw, and mike owner and root group.. |
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| 02:55.37 | bassinboy | what is the command i need to run after installing taskbar v2 |
| 02:56.07 | Renze | bassinboy: right-click panel, select Add -> Applet -> Taskbar v2 |
| 02:56.19 | gneer | mike: can you repeat your question please? I had some probs on the audio system, too, a few days ago. |
| 02:56.47 | bassinboy | Renze: i did |
| 02:57.33 | Renze | bassinboy: then what's the problem? |
| 02:58.09 | mike | ok |
| 02:58.09 | bassinboy | Renze: i forgot the program to update the panel or something. taskbar v2 is working fine, but i can't get to the options |
| 02:58.21 | Renze | bassinboy: dcop kicker kicker restart |
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| 02:58.34 | bassinboy | thanks |
| 02:59.02 | mike | 3.4.0_beta1 cant keep volume up, it always returns to 0, and there is a big volume box in the center of screen |
| 02:59.03 | bassinboy | Awesome :) i love taskbarv2 |
| 02:59.08 | mike | http://img161.exs.cx/img161/6880/snapshot11na.png |
| 02:59.20 | Renze | mike: and your volume down button isn't stuck? |
| 02:59.33 | mike | nope, 3.3.2 is ok? |
| 02:59.55 | mike | the volume buttons have never worked.. I never tried |
| 02:59.57 | Renze | then I suspect it's a bug in 3.4beta1... but it is a beta |
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| 03:00.02 | mike | to get them working |
| 03:00.33 | mike | yup, just figured if it was a real bug someone else would have seen it.. |
| 03:00.51 | mike | is there a beta chnnel? |
| 03:01.00 | vanRijn | um. what RPM do I need to have installed to get SOCKS working with kde? |
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| 03:01.25 | Renze | mike: you have the correct keymap selected in kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout (keyboard model dropdown) |
| 03:01.45 | mike | hmm... I'll look... brb |
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| 03:03.45 | bassinboy | i dont know if anyone has used google's picasa, but i am looking for a photo organizer/gallery.... any suggestions? |
| 03:05.32 | mike | Renze... |
| 03:05.46 | Renze | yes? |
| 03:06.12 | mike | Well now the volume keys work, but it still returns to 0 immediatly. And that dumb pop is still there? |
| 03:06.33 | Renze | mike: you've never used the volume buttons before? |
| 03:06.45 | mike | nope... dumb huh |
| 03:06.50 | Renze | mike: if so, I suggest you test for hardware fault |
| 03:07.01 | Renze | mike: it sounds like your volume down button is stuck |
| 03:07.02 | vanRijn | um. does anyone use SOCKS in kde? |
| 03:07.11 | mike | ok, but why would it work in 3.3.2? |
| 03:07.27 | Renze | mike: perhaps your 3.3.2 isn't reading those keys at all? |
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| 03:07.48 | Renze | mike: kmilo has added support for more keyboards since 3.3.2 |
| 03:08.52 | mike | hmmm... pozzibly.. I do notice that when using the vol down key it falls off faster than when I don´t press any.. |
| 03:08.59 | mike | ? |
| 03:09.05 | Renze | mike: if those keys are now supported in 3.4beta1, and the volume down is stuck, that is exactly what you'd see |
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| 03:09.39 | mike | now ´ takes 2 strokes? hmm... I´ll check keystrokes.. |
| 03:09.40 | Renze | mike: or perhaps the support in kmilo is incomplete? |
| 03:09.56 | mike | what is kmilo? |
| 03:10.08 | Renze | special key notifier |
| 03:10.10 | Borg^Queen | Yeah what's that |
| 03:10.15 | mike | hmm.. |
| 03:10.32 | Renze | it monitors certain multimedia keys and does stuff like volume |
| 03:10.38 | Borg^Queen | Anyone use anca yet? |
| 03:10.44 | mike | is there a specific channel for the beta? |
| 03:10.46 | Renze | wtf is anca? |
| 03:10.49 | Borg^Queen | Really, kool |
| 03:10.53 | Renze | mike: not that I'm aware of |
| 03:10.56 | mike | k |
| 03:11.04 | Borg^Queen | It's like gnomemeeting but for kde |
| 03:14.58 | brendan_ | hi |
| 03:14.58 | brendan_ | is their a way to hide printers for certain users? |
| 03:15.33 | brendan_ | i can deny acces to them with cups but they still show up in kde |
| 03:15.33 | kendrick | maybe with kde-kiosk? |
| 03:15.43 | kendrick | just a guess ;) |
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| 03:16.29 | brendan_ | perhaps |
| 03:16.44 | mike | Renze-annma, I think I'll reboot and check my bios settings and make sure there is nothing there and then run keyboard diags, thn I'll be back.. |
| 03:17.01 | fawad | why is that kde reconfigures the font settings for gnome apps on startup? |
| 03:17.34 | Renze | it doesn't reconfigure them... kde completely ignores gnome settings |
| 03:19.24 | fawad | well, no. |
| 03:19.24 | fawad | it resets the font settings on every startup. |
| 03:19.43 | fawad | when i open up the fonts applet for gnome, the setting that applied takes effect again. |
| 03:20.17 | fawad | i recall that it used to mess with ~/.gtkrc, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. |
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| 03:22.05 | vanRijn | I'm trying to get SOCKS proxy working with kde, and it keeps coming back with "SOCKS could not be loaded" |
| 03:23.20 | Alethes | fawad: starting the gnome fonts applet is just starting the gnome-settings-daemon, which overrides the kde settings that are already in place |
| 03:24.41 | fawad | yes. |
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| 03:25.14 | Alethes | you could always start gnome-settings-daemon in xinitrc, but that seems kinda strange |
| 03:25.33 | fawad | yes, i might have to do that. |
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| 03:25.52 | canllaith | fawad: twso other ways |
| 03:25.55 | lappy | any kile users here? |
| 03:25.58 | fawad | so does kde touch the gnome/gtk font settings or not? |
| 03:25.58 | canllaith | two* |
| 03:26.08 | canllaith | fawad: no it does not not unless you have gtk-qt engine installed |
| 03:26.13 | fawad | oh. |
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| 03:26.31 | canllaith | fawad: font settings go in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:26.31 | fawad | canllaith: what are my options? |
| 03:26.38 | mike | Renze: no go, I set keyclicks to on and there are no clicks going on as he volume is falling... The window on teh screen looks like a pop-up that never goes away.. |
| 03:26.41 | canllaith | Or |
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| 03:26.44 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2879493 |
| 03:26.53 | canllaith | install that and get a nice friendly control center module |
| 03:27.08 | canllaith | to change gtk styles/fonts |
| 03:28.00 | fawad | canllaith: that looks very promising. installing. |
| 03:28.07 | canllaith | fawad: :) |
| 03:28.13 | Alethes | I just prefer not to use gtk apps :) |
| 03:28.23 | canllaith | Alethes: heh you are obviously not using cvs head |
| 03:28.29 | Alethes | no, why? |
| 03:28.38 | canllaith | Well, kate is broken enough that I am using emacs |
| 03:28.47 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:28.53 | canllaith | I broke konqueror a few days ago (unresolved symbol) and had to use firefox while I was waiting for kdelibs to rebuild |
| 03:28.54 | Alethes | what'd they do to it? |
| 03:29.02 | canllaith | lots of things |
| 03:29.10 | canllaith | :P |
| 03:29.12 | Alethes | anything good? :P |
| 03:29.21 | canllaith | ah, the indenting refuses to turn off |
| 03:29.23 | Alethes | btw, did you see my idea for thumbs on tab hovers? |
| 03:29.26 | canllaith | and there was crashiness |
| 03:29.37 | canllaith | but sredna god bless him fixed that |
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| 03:32.15 | Alethes | gotta come up with a better kmenu than this lame redhat logo |
| 03:32.15 | Alethes | maybe a k stepping on a gnome foot |
| 03:32.27 | Alethes | or a k with gnome feet :D |
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| 03:34.49 | Renze | mike: sorry, was in the shower... the window you're seeing is kmilo... it intercepts special keys that may not necessarily click |
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| 03:36.05 | mike | will killing kmilo make it go away? |
| 03:36.47 | Renze | mike: just disable it in kcontrol -> KDE Components -> Service Manager |
| 03:37.07 | canllaith | Alethes: lol |
| 03:38.32 | mike | yup, that worked!! |
| 03:38.42 | mike | now to find the problem! |
| 03:40.42 | mike | Thanks Renze! |
| 03:41.36 | Renze | no problem |
| 03:43.31 | kendrick | ooh... it did |
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| 03:49.04 | mike | Renze: ok now I can set the volume, and the pop is gone but now even though it shows up there is no sound.. :( |
| 03:51.03 | _Jason__ | G'day, is there such thing as flash for konquer |
| 03:51.39 | canllaith | konqueror can use netscape plugins |
| 03:52.03 | canllaith | if you put your flash plugin in ~/.netscape/plugins you can set konqueror to pick it up from there under the plugin dialog in it's configuration settings. |
| 03:53.08 | _Jason__ | sweet, so install netscape plugin and ~/.netscape . |
| 03:55.09 | _Jason__ | I think I am going to need Linux emulation |
| 03:55.33 | _Jason__ | for flash that is :) |
| 03:55.48 | canllaith | what are you using, bsd ? |
| 03:56.12 | _Jason__ | yes sir, OpenBSD 3.6-current |
| 03:56.23 | canllaith | I think the linux flash plugin works on it. |
| 03:56.28 | canllaith | and that is ma'am :) |
| 03:56.37 | _Jason__ | doh! sorry lol |
| 03:56.43 | canllaith | I know for sure it works on FreeBSD |
| 03:56.51 | _Jason__ | I will download and try right now |
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| 03:57.04 | canllaith | I imagine you would need to ask some OpenBSD guys how to set it up/get it working :) |
| 03:57.21 | canllaith | Once you have though, it's a simple matter to get konqueror to use it. |
| 03:57.52 | _Jason__ | well I can enable linux emulation no problem, so I assume it should install .. |
| 03:58.16 | canllaith | :) |
| 04:00.08 | _Jason__ | I can't do much now, I am compiling koffice ... |
| 04:00.25 | rasput|n | does anyone know why undernet has to accept the registration after it sends the initial notices? |
| 04:01.02 | Renze | rasput|n: ask on undernet |
| 04:01.07 | rasput|n | Renze: :) |
| 04:01.44 | rasput|n | Renze: that was an honest helpful comment right... not sarcasm? |
| 04:02.05 | Renze | yup... this is freenode, undernet does not concern us |
| 04:02.23 | rasput|n | canllaith: figured someone may have done some work with the IRC protocol |
| 04:05.07 | canllaith | actually freenode uses a heavily modified ircd |
| 04:05.11 | canllaith | that no-one else uses :) |
| 04:05.32 | rasput|n | canllaith: really? do you know if it breaks from the RFC? |
| 04:07.07 | canllaith | I don't actually know where it stands as far as the RFC goes |
| 04:07.41 | canllaith | They removed alot of the capability to query for server/user status information in the name of security |
| 04:08.02 | rasput|n | ah |
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| 04:13.35 | _Jason__ | anyone know what all this 'desktop sharing' stuff is about on kde? |
| 04:14.10 | Renze | _Jason__: google for vnc |
| 04:14.24 | _Jason__ | I know what vnc is .. is that what it's using? |
| 04:14.35 | _Jason__ | <- first day with kde |
| 04:14.38 | slayerbob | _Jason__: seems to be :) |
| 04:14.58 | _Jason__ | enabled by default? I don't see a listening port |
| 04:14.59 | slayerbob | very cool that someone took the couple of hours required to make options for it in the kde control panel though :) |
| 04:15.40 | _Jason__ | yes, it is cool. dangerous .. but cool! |
| 04:16.50 | slayerbob | _Jason__: look in configure then network |
| 04:16.55 | slayerbob | there is your port setting... |
| 04:17.30 | _Jason__ | thx .. looking |
| 04:19.26 | _Jason__ | yep found it. |
| 04:21.30 | _Jason__ | ok, here's a silly question. Does kde have the concept of themes? |
| 04:21.43 | _Jason__ | I have some windows xp looking thing going on right now |
| 04:22.14 | slayerbob | that sounds like a question for canllaith :P |
| 04:23.06 | Renze | _Jason__: everything you need is in the KDE Control Center... just have a look around |
| 04:23.33 | Renze | _Jason__: Appearance & Themes might be a good start |
| 04:23.48 | _Jason__ | absolutely right! |
| 04:23.55 | _Jason__ | cheers |
| 04:23.57 | Renze | isn't logic wonderful? |
| 04:24.10 | _Jason__ | easy peezy ..lemon squeezy |
| 04:24.30 | _Jason__ | remember when your mommy gave you your first bike .. |
| 04:24.53 | Renze | no, I'm far too old to remember that |
| 04:25.16 | _Jason__ | lol me too |
| 04:29.10 | _Jason__ | holly, you have to be less then 42 |
| 04:29.44 | canllaith | heh |
| 04:29.49 | canllaith | I am almost exactly half of 42 |
| 04:30.02 | slayerbob | i am exactly half of 42 :D |
| 04:30.06 | _Jason__ | there ya go! |
| 04:30.07 | canllaith | slayerbob: you are not you fibber |
| 04:30.08 | _Jason__ | rofl |
| 04:30.10 | slayerbob | :( |
| 04:30.13 | canllaith | lol |
| 04:30.15 | slayerbob | i is so |
| 04:30.17 | canllaith | fibber |
| 04:30.20 | canllaith | and wow msn is back up |
| 04:30.26 | canllaith | lol - old man. |
| 04:30.35 | slayerbob | i would not count on msn staying up for any period of time |
| 04:30.41 | slayerbob | has been very flakey for the past 3 days |
| 04:30.49 | _Jason__ | msn is fine here |
| 04:30.54 | canllaith | ack I am still getting that annoying kopete pop up in face message. |
| 04:31.02 | canllaith | I am tempted to try and build the stable msn plugin against cvs kopete |
| 04:31.35 | _Jason__ | I have 0.9.2 |
| 04:31.37 | _Jason__ | seems fine |
| 04:31.41 | canllaith | I have cvs head |
| 04:31.46 | canllaith | the ms plugin is very flakey and unstable |
| 04:32.04 | _Jason__ | sometimes it does not pay to be bleeding edge |
| 04:32.12 | slayerbob | even people on msn messenger have been having problems over the past few days |
| 04:32.13 | canllaith | I have not much choice |
| 04:32.21 | canllaith | 'bleeding edge' or not |
| 04:32.21 | _Jason__ | says the guy running snapshots lOL |
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| 04:34.00 | _Jason__ | how in gods name do you change from 24 hr to 12 hour time LOL |
| 04:34.42 | Renze | 17:34 |
| 04:34.52 | canllaith | Right click on the clock |
| 04:34.52 | canllaith | date & time format |
| 04:34.57 | _Jason__ | hahah, well thats why they make preferences |
| 04:35.05 | _Jason__ | I just did that canllaith |
| 04:35.13 | _Jason__ | didn't actually change |
| 04:35.14 | canllaith | Time & Dates tab |
| 04:35.25 | canllaith | change time format to pH:MM:SS AMPM and click apply |
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| 04:35.38 | canllaith | dcop kicker kicker restart should fix that |
| 04:35.58 | _Jason__ | doh! |
| 04:36.03 | canllaith | yikes |
| 04:36.06 | canllaith | and remove my quickstart applet |
| 04:36.08 | canllaith | bloody cvs head |
| 04:36.23 | _Jason__ | I'll wait till next time I startx |
| 04:36.34 | canllaith | _Jason__: lol just do dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 04:36.37 | canllaith | all it does is restart the panel |
| 04:36.43 | canllaith | doesn't log you out or anything |
| 04:36.49 | _Jason__ | k |
| 04:37.41 | _Jason__ | hmm still here lol |
| 04:37.58 | _Jason__ | awww that's better |
| 04:38.03 | _Jason__ | 11:38 |
| 04:38.20 | _Jason__ | cheers canllaith |
| 04:38.24 | canllaith | yw |
| 04:38.33 | canllaith | <--- fountain of way too much kicker knowldge |
| 04:39.20 | canllaith | I think in here we have a reasonable amount of both. |
| 04:39.27 | slayerbob | _Jason__: canllaith is both :) |
| 04:39.33 | canllaith | awwww you're sweet |
| 04:39.40 | canllaith | (methinks someone wants me to cook dinner tonight) |
| 04:39.41 | _Jason__ | that's the exception |
| 04:39.50 | _Jason__ | never!! don't cook dinner |
| 04:40.03 | _Jason__ | order in! |
| 04:40.05 | canllaith | I am a better cook than he is |
| 04:40.11 | canllaith | ah, we live in this really teeny ski resort town |
| 04:40.23 | canllaith | not much of a choice ordering in (although, we should try the indian place one of these days) |
| 04:40.38 | _Jason__ | Mmmmm . Indian is usually good |
| 04:40.46 | _Jason__ | personally I like roti |
| 04:41.36 | _Jason__ | holly poop batman! I am finally building koffice hahaha, enough of the dependancies |
| 04:42.35 | _Jason__ | does this irc client allow system command? !ls |
| 04:42.39 | _Jason__ | !ls |
| 04:42.48 | canllaith | What are you using? |
| 04:42.51 | canllaith | generally /exec command |
| 04:42.58 | canllaith | or /exec -o command to print the output to the irc channel |
| 04:43.04 | _Jason__ | works! cool |
| 04:43.08 | Dhraakellian | I know that /exec cmd works in konvi |
| 04:43.15 | canllaith | no, it doesn't |
| 04:43.26 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.26 | Dhraakellian | okay, konvi cvs |
| 04:43.31 | canllaith | I am using konvi cvs. |
| 04:43.37 | Renze | /cmd ls |
| 04:43.40 | Dhraakellian | /exec cmd |
| 04:43.49 | canllaith | Mon Jan 24 17:43:19 NZDT 2005 |
| 04:43.51 | canllaith | there we go :) |
| 04:44.09 | _Jason__ | hmm yep works |
| 04:44.16 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.32 | canllaith | oh how embarrassing (this is a laptop, it isn't my fault!) |
| 04:44.49 | Dhraakellian | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.03 | Dhraakellian | 8 more days |
| 04:45.14 | canllaith | wonder what gateway is at |
| 04:45.19 | _Jason__ | rofl |
| 04:45.24 | Dhraakellian | until I reach the 3 month mark |
| 04:45.25 | canllaith | oh sweet! |
| 04:45.32 | canllaith | dessa@gateway:~/ > uptime |
| 04:45.32 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.43 | canllaith | heh 300 days even. Niiiiice. |
| 04:45.54 | _Jason__ | sounds like time to patch |
| 04:45.57 | Dhraakellian | nearly 10 months |
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| 04:46.04 | canllaith | Yeah we are waiting to physically be there to reboot it |
| 04:46.10 | canllaith | because after 300 days god knows what state it will come back up in |
| 04:46.17 | _Jason__ | or won't |
| 04:46.18 | canllaith | who can remember every upgrade done without rebooting in that time? |
| 04:46.19 | _Jason__ | hahaha |
| 04:46.26 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:46.31 | canllaith | It has a new kernel build, installed, inserted into lilo |
| 04:46.32 | canllaith | waiting |
| 04:46.38 | canllaith | I just need to reboot it |
| 04:46.48 | _Jason__ | crash ..... |
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| 04:46.56 | canllaith | Unlikely. |
| 04:47.09 | canllaith | I have never managed to crash or in other way impair a production server. |
| 04:47.17 | _Jason__ | openbsd is pretty much the same, patch . rebuild bin's ... and when you get a chance .. reboot |
| 04:47.34 | canllaith | oh, the binaries are easy enough which reminds me it is probably time to upgrade openssh again |
| 04:47.37 | _Jason__ | our production servers are very bare |
| 04:47.39 | canllaith | and possibly the ftpd |
| 04:47.42 | slayerbob | the only thing that really worries me on gateway is what will happen with postfix when we reboot :) |
| 04:47.49 | canllaith | slayerbob: indeed =p |
| 04:48.06 | _Jason__ | why should postfix break |
| 04:48.24 | slayerbob | well we have not rebooted since installing |
| 04:48.27 | canllaith | because we installed and configured postfix < 300 days ago :) |
| 04:48.30 | _Jason__ | omg |
| 04:48.32 | _Jason__ | never? |
| 04:48.44 | slayerbob | and last time i restarted postfix it spawned an infinite number of bash shells :P |
| 04:48.51 | _Jason__ | lol |
| 04:48.52 | slayerbob | we almost had to reboot :P |
| 04:48.54 | canllaith | No, we have upgraded basically everything but the kernel in that time without rebooting |
| 04:49.06 | _Jason__ | hmmm, sounds scary |
| 04:49.26 | slayerbob | the trouble is that it is our database server so we cannot afford for it to break during the daytime |
| 04:49.37 | slayerbob | which means that we have to be there after 10pm to reboot it |
| 04:49.38 | _Jason__ | we have several data centers .. we switch production and reboot machines regular |
| 04:49.47 | slayerbob | and then get it fixed by 7am the next day if it breaks |
| 04:49.59 | slayerbob | we are too poor to have several data centres :P |
| 04:50.00 | canllaith | Which means I will be upgrading openssh and ftp at 3am again =p |
| 04:50.12 | _Jason__ | such is the life .. |
| 04:50.12 | canllaith | we're a very very small company _Jason__ lol |
| 04:50.15 | _Jason__ | been there .. done that |
| 04:50.36 | _Jason__ | our company is small in # people .. large in our market |
| 04:51.46 | _Jason__ | any gotya's I should know about with koffice? |
| 04:51.52 | canllaith | mm no idea |
| 04:51.58 | canllaith | I don't use wysiwyg |
| 04:52.01 | _Jason__ | I remember at one time you had to paths to ld |
| 04:52.01 | fulld | how do I add a standard, themed KDE icon to a QPushButton? |
| 04:52.23 | fulld | I want to use the "add" or "plus" one |
| 04:52.23 | canllaith | mmm |
| 04:52.28 | canllaith | kicker seems to have misplaced my taskbar again |
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| 04:52.49 | _Jason__ | sounds like wysiwyg to me lol .. task bar |
| 04:53.05 | canllaith | Well, this particular taskbar is supposed to be transparent ;) |
| 04:53.12 | canllaith | I guess it is just being extra good at it's job |
| 04:53.16 | _Jason__ | hahahaha |
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| 04:54.47 | _Jason__ | hmmm I should start installing rdesktop again |
| 04:57.26 | canllaith | Renze: don't say a word =p |
| 04:57.32 | canllaith | stop typing damn you |
| 04:57.42 | Renze | ok ok ok :) |
| 04:58.21 | canllaith | ok :P |
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| 04:59.11 | canllaith | I figure since half the channel are using my kopete stylesheet I might as well kde-look.org it |
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| 05:00.26 | canllaith | if I can remember my password..... |
| 05:00.34 | _Jason__ | xxxxxxxx |
| 05:00.38 | _Jason__ | try that one lol |
| 05:01.20 | canllaith | now I have to figure out which of a zillion email addys it will be mailing the password too |
| 05:01.30 | canllaith | I think I only have one that isn't forwarded to my kmail ... I guess I am about to find out. |
| 05:01.45 | _Jason__ | woohoo!! I am at kivo! ... only another 4 hrs to go! |
| 05:01.47 | _Jason__ | rofl |
| 05:01.53 | Renze | all my email addresses lead to Rome, as it were |
| 05:01.53 | canllaith | lol what are you building? |
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| 05:02.02 | _Jason__ | koffice |
| 05:02.16 | _Jason__ | dual p3 800 with 1g ram .. |
| 05:02.21 | canllaith | i need to set up imap with server side filtering on methuselah - andrew, can we rename gateway to methuselah ? |
| 05:02.33 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 05:02.35 | canllaith | :D puhleeeeeeese? |
| 05:02.38 | canllaith | can we? :D |
| 05:02.39 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 05:02.43 | slayerbob | let me think |
| 05:02.58 | slayerbob | i don't know if any of the software on gateway has "gateway" hard coded into it |
| 05:03.04 | slayerbob | we would have to check first |
| 05:03.10 | canllaith | k :D |
| 05:03.11 | canllaith | I doubt it |
| 05:03.16 | canllaith | since his name is actually gateway.new |
| 05:03.16 | slayerbob | a simple recursive grep should do it |
| 05:03.28 | slayerbob | yeah but gateway also resolves properly... |
| 05:03.32 | canllaith | mm ok then |
| 05:03.36 | canllaith | heh um that reminds me |
| 05:03.38 | slayerbob | but don't do it until my current grep has finished :P |
| 05:03.41 | canllaith | can I have my ip address back ? |
| 05:03.46 | slayerbob | your ip address ? |
| 05:03.49 | canllaith | Yes. |
| 05:03.53 | slayerbob | which one is that ? |
| 05:03.54 | canllaith | Imagine my shock to read logwatch |
| 05:03.59 | canllaith | and find that hal had gotten up all by himself |
| 05:04.04 | canllaith | walked all the way to christchurch |
| 05:04.08 | canllaith | and plugged himself into the network there |
| 05:04.12 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 05:05.21 | _Jason__ | thanks for the help .. off to play . |
| 05:05.23 | _Jason__ | cheers |
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| 05:15.45 | f00f_bug | can someone tell me what path to put my Qt themes in? i use fvwm2, not kde, and would rather not install a ton of stuff just to theme one program |
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| 05:17.19 | MrDarkUser | oh boy, I gotta figure out how to move a window when I can't see it |
| 05:17.44 | MrDarkUser | I suppose I could use my elete X windows knowledge.. oh wait I don't have that.. |
| 05:18.31 | canllaith | when you can't see it? |
| 05:18.33 | MrDarkUser | maximizing it just makes it go big in the dead screen... windows has a "move" item in the taskbar |
| 05:18.45 | MrDarkUser | and I have the taskbar available |
| 05:18.46 | canllaith | MrDarkUser: Try holding down alt |
| 05:18.53 | canllaith | and grabbing any part of the window you can see to drag it |
| 05:19.01 | canllaith | or can you not see ANYTHING of it at all ? |
| 05:19.10 | MrDarkUser | canllaith: nothing on that screen :( |
| 05:19.16 | canllaith | ah sod. Not sure then |
| 05:19.17 | MrDarkUser | I could try random |
| 05:19.21 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 05:19.25 | canllaith | unplugged your second display ? |
| 05:19.35 | MrDarkUser | oops.. didn't want my ma to see that pic.. :( |
| 05:19.41 | canllaith | LOL |
| 05:19.45 | MrDarkUser | y |
| 05:19.54 | MrDarkUser | no more random |
| 05:20.38 | PrplNrpl | sorry if this is an X question, but istherre a way to reserve part of my screen for one window only? |
| 05:21.25 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: this is something I wanted to do too! |
| 05:21.36 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: it might be a window manager thing |
| 05:22.03 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: in kde, you can right click on the window grab bar and tell almost any managed window to stay on top |
| 05:22.11 | MrDarkUser | and that could be a temporary fix |
| 05:22.16 | PrplNrpl | i want xchat to run along the top of my taskbar(on the bottom), no frame and only maybe 6 lines showng |
| 05:22.23 | MrDarkUser | I keep my xine on top |
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| 05:22.52 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: you will have to change your taskbar to allow it to be covered by a window |
| 05:22.52 | PrplNrpl | thats something like i've been doing |
| 05:23.24 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: and the new xorg has real translucancy.. (through some funkey plugin) |
| 05:24.34 | PrplNrpl | i also wanted to find a way to raise my desktop icons to the top until one is clicked or something else is brought into focus |
| 05:25.09 | PrplNrpl | a view desktop button without miinimizing everything |
| 05:25.13 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: configure panel.. hiding will at least get it go go down.. there is probably a keep above somewhere |
| 05:25.58 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: What I do is make my own "start menu" like quick shortcut things |
| 05:25.59 | PrplNrpl | i actually submitted a wish and they told me that it was not even going to be considered |
| 05:26.19 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: try the quicklaunch applet.. I know it's not what you want.... but it works ok for me |
| 05:26.40 | PrplNrpl | i have one on the top bar |
| 05:26.43 | MrDarkUser | PrplNrpl: that sort of thing happens all the time... what i really want is expose capability |
| 05:26.54 | MrDarkUser | (like in mac OSX) |
| 05:27.00 | canllaith | kompose |
| 05:27.14 | MrDarkUser | canllaith: ? |
| 05:27.21 | PrplNrpl | x is an awesome DE |
| 05:27.22 | canllaith | patches for expose like behaviour in KDE |
| 05:27.23 | canllaith | kompose |
| 05:27.35 | MrDarkUser | YUM!!! |
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| 05:28.19 | PrplNrpl | they have also helped out a lot of existing *nix projects |
| 05:38.51 | PrplNrpl | boy did i kill that conversation |
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| 05:40.45 | canllaith | guys |
| 05:40.50 | canllaith | does fedora core 3 use xorg ? |
| 05:42.29 | PrplNrpl | i dont know |
| 05:42.45 | canllaith | so do I |
| 05:42.50 | canllaith | tis ok, #fedora knew |
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| 05:46.14 | mono | why can't i write anything in the login page on kdm? i can not type anything... |
| 05:47.21 | illogic-al | mono, in the password box alone? |
| 05:47.31 | mono | both boxes |
| 05:47.56 | mono | user and pass. i can click on the icon with my user and that will populate the username - then i can't type the passwd |
| 05:48.41 | illogic-al | maybe your keyboard got loose |
| 05:50.22 | mono | illogic-al, nope, i can choose login using consule and then my keys work. it's a laptop |
| 05:50.38 | mono | illogic-al, very stange |
| 05:50.50 | PrplNrpl | odd |
| 05:50.52 | Renze | bad keyboard selection in X config? |
| 05:51.00 | illogic-al | mono, indeed |
| 05:51.12 | mono | could that be? what should it be? |
| 05:51.58 | mono | what is the default? |
| 05:52.05 | mono | for a laptop? |
| 05:52.56 | PrplNrpl | odd, i cant find mine |
| 05:53.04 | Renze | mine are XkbModel "pc101", XkbLayout "us" |
| 05:53.13 | PrplNrpl | its connected to the lan |
| 05:53.17 | PrplNrpl | i see it |
| 05:53.22 | PrplNrpl | but i cant find it |
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| 05:54.49 | PrplNrpl | i sshed in and played music at max volume |
| 05:55.08 | PrplNrpl | it was under my pillow |
| 05:55.15 | PrplNrpl | its really hot |
| 05:55.15 | illogic-al | PrplNrpl, IT? |
| 05:55.22 | PrplNrpl | my laptop |
| 05:56.07 | PrplNrpl | now i dont even remember why i was looking for it |
| 05:56.20 | PrplNrpl | man, i think i drank too much |
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| 06:12.33 | Borg^Queen | Hey |
| 06:12.37 | Borg^Queen | I forgot I was on |
| 06:12.45 | Borg^Queen | I was working all this time. |
| 06:14.07 | canllaith | lol heya Borg^Queen :) |
| 06:14.17 | Borg^Queen | Hey canllaith |
| 06:14.24 | canllaith | :P |
| 06:14.29 | Borg^Queen | Good night illissius- |
| 06:14.33 | Borg^Queen | OOop illogic-al |
| 06:14.52 | Borg^Queen | I'm trying to get this anca to work. |
| 06:15.05 | Borg^Queen | So far no one has been able to get it to compile. |
| 06:16.45 | Borg^Queen | My it's late. Good night to all. |
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| 06:18.17 | debian | when I run 'kmix' the current mixer is empty. The sound system is running and working. What did I miss? |
| 06:20.13 | grepper | you can run apps that use arts ? |
| 06:21.42 | debian | grepper: hmm, should I does artsdsp kmix instead? :/ |
| 06:21.51 | grepper | no |
| 06:22.03 | grepper | how are you testing the sound ? |
| 06:22.15 | debian | mplayer, and press the test button |
| 06:22.18 | grepper | can you play sounds in kcontrol ? |
| 06:22.21 | grepper | ok |
| 06:22.21 | debian | eys |
| 06:22.35 | grepper | you are using alsa ? |
| 06:22.40 | debian | it works for my other system, just wonder what's wrong with this desktop |
| 06:22.43 | debian | aye |
| 06:23.13 | debian | this desktop don't have any theme in theme list, though I've them installed. :/ |
| 06:23.24 | debian | that's another problem anyway. |
| 06:23.36 | grepper | not sure, what does ls -l /dev/mixer show ? |
| 06:24.22 | debian | grepper: omg, it isn't usable by the user. :/ |
| 06:24.26 | debian | thanks, let me try |
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| 06:26.31 | grepper | ok, thats what I wondered |
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| 06:31.03 | kuru | man.. konqueror is _great_ on some sites and _crap_ on others.. especially Arabic sites.. |
| 06:31.17 | kuru | I have to have 4-5 different browsers handy everytime I want to read news :( |
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| 06:41.56 | MrDarkUser | canllaith: YUM! |
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| 06:42.03 | MrDarkUser | kompose needs a bit of work |
| 06:42.32 | MrDarkUser | but it'll be installed on every one of my sytems in the near future I can guess |
| 06:43.27 | MrDarkUser | debian: if you are using arts (which you should be, -ao=arts for mplayer (methinks) and artsdsp are your friends |
| 06:44.00 | MrDarkUser | artsdsp -m can even let you play quake with your favorite mp3 going in the background |
| 06:44.29 | MrDarkUser | (remember to suid artswrapper, if it's not already) and set your soundserver to realtime priority |
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| 06:52.28 | debian | MrDarkUser: Oh, thanks a lot |
| 06:52.57 | debian | MrDarkUser: not a good place to ask, but what option to feed when I want to dump a stream of mplayer? |
| 06:53.28 | debian | MrDarkUser: I used dumpvideo, ac and vc but can't play it back |
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| 07:01.48 | lippel | debian: dumpstream? |
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| 07:09.44 | MrDarkUser | debian: I have no idea... #mplayer is on this server! |
| 07:10.05 | MrDarkUser | debian: also man mplayer |
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| 07:11.16 | spatialguru | hi folks. |
| 07:11.39 | spatialguru | is it possible to have text output from a command like tcpdump displayed on my desktop? |
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| 07:11.46 | spatialguru | is this the infamous 'root window'? |
| 07:12.30 | rasput|n | *nod* |
| 07:13.10 | spatialguru | is there a simple kde control centre setting or is it a hack? |
| 07:13.35 | rasput|n | not sure if you'd call it a hack |
| 07:14.21 | rasput|n | i think it's xrootconsole |
| 07:16.45 | rasput|n | i am wrong |
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| 07:18.21 | MrGrim | man... I just finished one of those weekends where you suddenly and unexpectedly find yourself surrounded by a wide variety of free drugs |
| 07:18.57 | spatialguru | MrGrim: when do you get out of the hospital? |
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| 07:20.52 | MrGrim | they say I should be good as new in a few days |
| 07:21.25 | Skiver | fell sick ? MrGrim |
| 07:21.49 | MrGrim | you missed a part of the convo, I'll msg it to you if you want |
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| 07:23.16 | Skiver | it's ok =] |
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| 07:25.03 | Skiver | brb guys |
| 07:26.24 | MrGrim | heh, me and spatialguru were just being sarcastic |
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| 07:27.15 | kendrick | hrm, so does kopete use CSS for themes, or? |
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| 07:27.34 | Renze | xsl |
| 07:27.42 | kendrick | XSL... close enough i guess :) |
| 07:27.44 | kendrick | that's neat-o |
| 07:28.00 | kendrick | didn't work so well for me :^( |
| 07:28.09 | kendrick | poor old 450MHz with Voodoo 3D card from 7 years ago |
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| 07:34.45 | canllaith | kendrick: heh thanks :) |
| 07:34.58 | kendrick | hrm? |
| 07:35.07 | canllaith | [20:27] * kendrick just looked at "colourful enclosed kopete stylesheet", and wonder if they're using KHTML or something ;) |
| 07:35.07 | canllaith | [20:27] <kendrick> XSL... close enough i guess :) |
| 07:35.07 | canllaith | [20:27] <kendrick> that's neat-o |
| 07:35.08 | kendrick | oh, you a kopete dev'er? :) |
| 07:35.17 | canllaith | Nope but that's my stylesheet |
| 07:35.23 | kendrick | oh, hehe ;) |
| 07:35.25 | Renze | kendrick: look at who posted the stylesheet :) |
| 07:35.33 | kendrick | hehe, that window's LONG gone |
| 07:35.43 | kendrick | i guess i could fire up aKregator again ;) |
| 07:35.49 | kendrick | heheh |
| 07:36.29 | kendrick | but i've been playing with SO many bells and whistles (aKregator, amaroK, Kopete, KTTS, Konversation, SuperKaramba) that i think i finally need a newer box |
| 07:36.35 | canllaith | heh |
| 07:36.40 | canllaith | I know the feeling kendrick |
| 07:36.43 | kendrick | though i guess i heard KDE 3.4 will be a little lighter/snappier ;) |
| 07:36.56 | kendrick | it's so depressing to go to work and use WinXP :) |
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| 07:37.06 | canllaith | although I send all compiles off to my 2.4GHz machine, but it still feels a bit sluggish sometimes. |
| 07:37.11 | kendrick | hehe |
| 07:37.20 | kendrick | i need a 2.4GHz machine to 'send my compiles to' :) |
| 07:37.36 | canllaith | I can't bloody figure out how to go offline on just one account on gaim :\ |
| 07:38.15 | canllaith | I am using gaim cvs because kopete cvs is very very broken at the moment |
| 07:38.16 | kendrick | but Kopete has gotten me sold on the idea that it can be useful and non-intrusive ;) |
| 07:38.20 | kendrick | that sucks |
| 07:38.24 | canllaith | unfortunately I can't figure out how to use it ......... |
| 07:38.24 | canllaith | :P |
| 07:38.28 | Skiver | tools > accounts > uncheck any |
| 07:38.30 | kendrick | heheh |
| 07:38.36 | canllaith | Skiver: on cvs? Nope. |
| 07:38.48 | canllaith | The online/offline checkbox has been removed |
| 07:40.39 | Skiver | what's cvs ? |
| 07:40.54 | canllaith | ok nm then. |
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| 07:41.18 | canllaith | Renze: can you be a sweetheart and im me? I want to see if my kwin class to make gaim windows be created iconised works |
| 07:41.27 | canllaith | :) |
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| 07:41.38 | canllaith | you rock |
| 07:42.21 | kendrick | heh |
| 07:43.38 | debian | lippel: yes, I think I got it wrong, I should use dumpstream instead |
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| 07:44.48 | lippel | debian: worked for me once, but i wasn't able to convert it into something usable using mencoder. |
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| 07:47.28 | debian | lippel: I succeeded once, but my small brain forget how |
| 07:47.54 | debian | lippel: may be I just mistook dumpstream and dumpvideo, -ac and -vc works, let me try again |
| 07:47.58 | debian | lippel: thanks |
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| 07:56.08 | _marvin | moin,moin |
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| 08:00.49 | mpetrov | is there any way to recover a KWord corrupted file? Whenevery I try to load it, or it's kwd~ file it crushes KWord |
| 08:01.51 | kolla | nice, sounds like perfect emulation of MSWord :) |
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| 08:18.39 | gregday | I wonder if kwin from HEAD will work with 3.3 |
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| 08:33.12 | MrGrim | gregday: it won't |
| 08:34.26 | canllaith | only if you built all of libs & base from head then used KDEDIRS to run both copies at once |
| 08:34.49 | canllaith | and i think i am the only one in here crazy enough to do this |
| 08:35.01 | Renze | gila |
| 08:35.05 | canllaith | (have you seen the kicker mating dance? most impressive) |
| 08:35.18 | canllaith | tak gila :( |
| 08:36.10 | Renze | bietch asked me to give her regards to "kakak busuk" :) |
| 08:36.25 | canllaith | tak busuk :( adik gila busuuuuuuk! |
| 08:36.29 | canllaith | :P |
| 08:37.25 | canllaith | I just got out of the shower infact |
| 08:37.47 | Renze | don't shoot the messenger :) |
| 08:38.16 | gregday | how does one use the ipod support in amarok? |
| 08:38.25 | gregday | my ipod is plugged in and mounted, i hit the Media tab... now what |
| 08:38.46 | MrGrim | canllaith: I hope you didn't wait up for me yesterday :/ |
| 08:38.57 | mxcl | gregday: there's answers at amarok.kde.org/wiki |
| 08:39.30 | canllaith | sorry was just eating toast and yelling out kernel compilation steps to the b/f |
| 08:39.48 | canllaith | um no, I didn't :) I remembered you said 'drinking' and figured there was an even chance you wouldn't come back |
| 08:40.36 | canllaith | So I did some faq crap and fell asleep on the couch watching startrek at like 8am or something :\ |
| 08:40.45 | gregday | mxcl ah cool! thanks |
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| 08:41.49 | rasput|n | canllaith: tos or tng? |
| 08:41.59 | canllaith | rasput|n, TNG and one voyager |
| 08:42.11 | rasput|n | perhaps the best of the series |
| 08:42.26 | canllaith | I am starting to like them all each for their own reasons |
| 08:42.37 | canllaith | eg, I hated ds9 it was so much like a soap opera, not startrekky at all |
| 08:42.42 | canllaith | but now I appreciate it for some light comedy |
| 08:43.55 | rasput|n | space stations are stationary... that was the problem |
| 08:44.09 | rasput|n | not much happens sitting in one spot |
| 08:44.14 | canllaith | True. |
| 08:44.21 | MrGrim | but then they got teh defiant :D |
| 08:44.47 | canllaith | mmm might take some screenshots of default kde cvs head atm |
| 08:45.22 | rasput|n | canllaith: do you think kde's default theme could be improved upon? |
| 08:45.49 | canllaith | rasput|n, well now that it uses plastik rather than keramik |
| 08:45.58 | canllaith | not really :) |
| 08:46.09 | rasput|n | canllaith: well not so much the style... i mean the setup and color scheme etc on initial install |
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| 08:46.27 | canllaith | No, the plastik colour scheme is one of my favourites |
| 08:46.29 | rasput|n | i think when i installed 3.4 it popped up with a pink gradient on the background lol |
| 08:46.38 | canllaith | uh that isn't the default heh |
| 08:46.39 | Renze | pink? ew! |
| 08:46.46 | canllaith | dunno how you managed that, but it's not supposed to do it =p |
| 08:47.01 | rasput|n | canllaith: what is it supposed to do (i am partly color blind mind you) |
| 08:47.20 | canllaith | rasput|n, ah ok then. It is supposed to be a gradient that is a rather soft blue |
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| 08:48.45 | rasput|n | i always felt that linux got a bad "rap" on the desktop because default setups were not very good |
| 08:49.11 | MrGrim | I never understand why default setup mattered when evaluating something |
| 08:49.20 | MrGrim | as long as you can make it do things your way, all is well |
| 08:50.30 | PhilRod | the slightly ill-defined hypothetical "normal user" doesn't tend to change things from the default, which is probably why reviewers like to analyse defaults |
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| 08:52.33 | rasput|n | canllaith: how do you design a project... do you define all the classes and then implement them or do you write parts and pieces and compile them as you go to start out with the bare minumum of an application? |
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| 08:52.48 | rasput|n | just trying to improve my methods |
| 08:54.49 | canllaith | Yes |
| 08:55.11 | canllaith | and being a systems consultant & technical writer rather than a coder... |
| 08:55.37 | canllaith | I tend to plan things, because I am obsessive compulsive |
| 08:55.42 | aseigo | though i can't decide wether that's sad or not |
| 08:55.53 | kolla | the general answer to why linux got a bad rap on the desktop can be found in the X11 section in the unix haters handbook ;) |
| 08:55.53 | aseigo | canllaith: you? OC? no... |
| 08:55.56 | canllaith | aseigo, of course you do. To be deliciously decorative and wickedly fascinating. |
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| 08:56.03 | aseigo | kolla: no, it can't |
| 08:56.10 | kolla | sure it can |
| 08:56.19 | canllaith | The unix haters handbook makes me laugh |
| 08:56.27 | aseigo | kolla: that document is as informed as a drunken slashdot poster up past his bed time |
| 08:56.31 | canllaith | because what they consider to be insurmountable problems, I consider trivial. |
| 08:56.37 | kolla | computers make me laugh :) |
| 08:56.44 | canllaith | It is basically like the mac switch campaign. That one amuses me too |
| 08:56.49 | aseigo | kolla: primarily, it's wildly out of date |
| 08:56.57 | canllaith | 'I am too stupid to read in english, and apply this to my computer' |
| 08:57.04 | canllaith | aseigo, I am not OCD? :P |
| 08:57.04 | aseigo | hehee |
| 08:57.10 | aseigo | yeah, the switch campaign was pretty funny |
| 08:58.00 | aseigo | canllaith: have you read my blog today? hehehe.. it's good for a laugh |
| 08:58.17 | canllaith | aseigo, no but I will now. |
| 08:59.31 | canllaith | heh |
| 09:00.06 | kolla | aseigo: doesnt matter, the main points are still valid :) |
| 09:00.13 | aseigo | kolla: which main points would those be? |
| 09:00.30 | kolla | that X11 sucks :) |
| 09:01.02 | aseigo | kolla: one would hope there'd be reasons attached to such claims =0 |
| 09:01.15 | kolla | a "hello world" on X11 still takes pages and pages of code :) |
| 09:01.23 | rasput|n | kolla: no it doesn't |
| 09:01.27 | kolla | sure does |
| 09:01.34 | rasput|n | it takes like 10 lines |
| 09:01.38 | rasput|n | are you crazy |
| 09:01.42 | kolla | then please paste those lines here :) |
| 09:02.05 | rasput|n | kolla: it takes you 10 pages to write a hello world program in qt? |
| 09:02.19 | kolla | wqell, qt is not X11 |
| 09:02.25 | kolla | I talk about X11, not qt |
| 09:02.38 | aseigo | kolla: no it doesn't |
| 09:02.53 | kolla | no it doesnt what? |
| 09:02.53 | aseigo | kolla: that's like saying it takes hundreds of lines of assembler |
| 09:03.00 | aseigo | kolla: we have higher level languages for a reason |
| 09:03.09 | aseigo | kolla: or should we simply discount glibc because it's a shortcut? |
| 09:03.18 | rasput|n | kolla: you said X11 sucks not xlib |
| 09:03.26 | kolla | yep |
| 09:03.32 | aseigo | kolla: of course not. now, xlib does do some things that it shouldn't be doing, and of course that's why x.org is splitting it up |
| 09:03.51 | aseigo | kolla: but the "coding directly to xlib sucks" is a thing of the (distant) past |
| 09:04.05 | kolla | every time someone says something bad about X11, everyone goes hiwire :) |
| 09:04.06 | aseigo | kolla: the current xlib restructurings are being done to help the toolkit writers ... |
| 09:04.20 | rasput|n | kolla: you made a claim that had no relevance |
| 09:04.28 | aseigo | kolla: perhaps it's because whenever someone says something bad about X11 they don't know much about what they speak of? |
| 09:04.39 | aseigo | kolla: or should we simply smile and nod at ignorance and stupidity? |
| 09:04.48 | rasput|n | aseigo: perhaps we should |
| 09:04.54 | aseigo | rasput|n: lol |
| 09:04.57 | aseigo | rasput|n: fair 'nuff |
| 09:05.14 | rasput|n | drrr... you are right kolla |
| 09:06.29 | canllaith | dude, you're in fighting form today |
| 09:06.31 | aseigo | kolla: if you have valid reasons for why X sucks (i could offer a few) then we could all discuss them rationally =) |
| 09:06.49 | aseigo | canllaith: who is? rasput|n ? yeah, he's a crazy mofo ;-P |
| 09:07.01 | canllaith | (like kids do to puppies, and the puppy always looks alarmed and tries to wiggle away =) |
| 09:07.19 | canllaith | what other absolutely amazing must have features should I screenshot for a kde 3.4 sneak preview page |
| 09:07.42 | rasput|n | i think the lead singer of rush is in Salamons army |
| 09:08.32 | rasput|n | canllaith: use one of my screenshots... my screenshots are superior to all |
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| 09:09.21 | canllaith | heh if you say so |
| 09:09.21 | aseigo | gregday: ! |
| 09:09.31 | rasput|n | http://www.travishoffman.net/snapshot2.jpg |
| 09:09.52 | rasput|n | time it very well i guess |
| 09:10.06 | canllaith | looks cool :) |
| 09:10.47 | rasput|n | canllaith: im kind of a wussy listening to sarah mclachlan |
| 09:10.58 | rasput|n | but it's ok... my sensitive nature gets me chicks |
| 09:11.23 | aseigo | ahahahahaa |
| 09:12.12 | aseigo | LAURI! |
| 09:12.15 | eivindtr | Hi all. DCOP question; is there a DCOP command to log a user off? |
| 09:12.23 | lauri | at least I hope so, because I fear to know what my music taste says about me |
| 09:12.34 | rasput|n | lauri: what is your "taste" in music? |
| 09:12.44 | lauri | Coming soon to a theater near you: aseigo, the ninth reindeer |
| 09:12.48 | aseigo | eivindtr: dcop kdesktop '' logout |
| 09:12.49 | lauri | rasput|n: all of it :) |
| 09:13.05 | rasput|n | lauri: oh are you one of those "I love everything" people? |
| 09:13.30 | rasput|n | aseigo: like the rem song? |
| 09:13.32 | lauri | rasput|n: industrial metal mostly, kmfdm, ministry, VNV nation, oomph |
| 09:13.37 | lauri | but I like sarah mclachlan :) |
| 09:13.38 | aseigo | rasput|n: dude. i AM the rem song |
| 09:13.40 | eivindtr | aseigo: Thanks! As a follow-up, why doesn't that show up in kdcop? |
| 09:13.42 | lauri | and japanese pop |
| 09:13.51 | lauri | and r.e.m. |
| 09:13.52 | aseigo | eivindtr: it's in the KDesktopIface entry |
| 09:13.55 | canllaith | rem rock |
| 09:14.01 | aseigo | eivindtr: aka the "default" interface |
| 09:14.02 | rasput|n | lauri: Radiohead, Counting Crows, Beatles, Tool, Sarah Mclachlan, Tori Amos, Led Zepelin |
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| 09:14.21 | canllaith | mmm counting crows what a great idea |
| 09:14.21 | lauri | hate, hate, boring, ok but APC is better, love, want to marry, ok |
| 09:14.22 | eivindtr | Ah! OK. /me needs to read some more it seems ;) |
| 09:14.22 | rasput|n | Tori Amos is a milf |
| 09:14.26 | lauri | in that order roughly |
| 09:14.41 | rasput|n | lauri: APC and Tool are equally as cool.. Maynard is an AMAZING vocalist |
| 09:14.56 | lauri | yeah, I looove his vocals, but of the two, I vastly prefer APC |
| 09:15.17 | rasput|n | lauri: you hate Radiohead... i feel violent tendencies |
| 09:15.20 | rasput|n | hehe |
| 09:15.23 | lauri | tool tends to get a bit "ok, we're just going to go play random noise for 14 minutes before we let maynard sing" |
| 09:15.59 | rasput|n | im a musician so that random noise interests me |
| 09:16.21 | willwork4foo | lo canllaith |
| 09:16.25 | lauri | (seriously, i have a 18 minute long copy of pushit-live-reinterpreted-as-a-balladish-sorta-thang) |
| 09:16.35 | willwork4foo | greetings to all other ppls here too |
| 09:16.37 | lauri | so, APC for me |
| 09:16.49 | lauri | if i had to choose (which I don't, ain't life grand :) |
| 09:17.12 | rasput|n | maynard is going back to Tool for awhile now |
| 09:17.24 | lauri | heh, it's their turn :) |
| 09:17.37 | canllaith | lo willwork4foo |
| 09:17.40 | rasput|n | yup |
| 09:17.41 | kolla | aseigo: sorry.. was interrupted (at work) |
| 09:17.57 | lauri | isnt there a new album just out, or due out, or something (I didn't totally love 'emotive' either, it's about half fabulous, and half.. meh) |
| 09:18.00 | kolla | hm.. more interruptions.. |
| 09:18.46 | rasput|n | oh and STP |
| 09:18.51 | rasput|n | scott weiland is going to have my babies |
| 09:19.06 | lauri | that's about as likely as tori amos having mine I think |
| 09:19.08 | rasput|n | i want little heroin addicts of my own |
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| 09:20.51 | aseigo | kolla: mp |
| 09:20.57 | aseigo | er, np |
| 09:21.15 | aseigo | lauri: get in line. i'm next. |
| 09:21.31 | kolla | aseigo: well.. for instance.. you cannot set up more displays within one X11 session, each with different layout, resolution and depth |
| 09:21.38 | lauri | to have my children? |
| 09:21.43 | lauri | god but you're a confused boy aren't you |
| 09:21.59 | kolla | and until very recently, you could not even change display size on the fly |
| 09:22.06 | kolla | you still cannot change depth |
| 09:22.24 | aseigo | kolla: you're speaking of the XFree86/X.org implementation |
| 09:22.31 | kolla | aseigo: not really |
| 09:22.34 | aseigo | kolla: yes, really =) |
| 09:23.12 | aseigo | kolla: that's not an X design issue ... it's like saying MS window's drawing code sucks because windows don't always repaint when the app is busy |
| 09:23.13 | kolla | aseigo: oh, so where are the X servers that can change depth on the fly without the clients going bananas? |
| 09:23.14 | lauri | I have two X11 displays, with different resolution and depth (not clear what you mean by layout) |
| 09:23.56 | lauri | if you mean X layout, well, you can only have one of those per session anyway - if you mean layout of windows on the display, well.. yah, they're not the same |
| 09:24.01 | aseigo | kolla: i don't keep up with commercial X servers anymore, unfortunately, so i can't provide a cogent answer to that (so i won't try), but it's an implementation constraint |
| 09:24.26 | kolla | well, who cares.. if it is theoretically possible, but noone does it.. |
| 09:24.30 | kolla | same thing |
| 09:25.02 | aseigo | i care. because if it were not possible, we'd need to switch directions |
| 09:25.06 | kolla | lauri: I mean layout as in several displays attached to the same monitor |
| 09:25.08 | lauri | I'd be surprised if the commercial ones don't, exceed has tons of all sorts of fun things in it |
| 09:25.09 | aseigo | because it is possible, we just need to continue development |
| 09:25.37 | aseigo | and yes, you can run multiple sesions with different deptsh |
| 09:25.39 | aseigo | er, depths |
| 09:25.44 | aseigo | try the --depth flag |
| 09:25.54 | kolla | I said one session |
| 09:26.08 | kolla | one session with multiple displays |
| 09:26.10 | lauri | kolla: yes you can do that, I'm doing it right now |
| 09:26.11 | kolla | on same monitor |
| 09:26.40 | kolla | lauri: I too have xinerama, but that's not what I'm talking about :) |
| 09:26.50 | lauri | I don't have xinerama, actually, but anyway |
| 09:26.54 | aseigo | kolla: multiple displays? you mean virtual desktops? |
| 09:27.05 | kolla | aseigo: no, not desktops |
| 09:27.14 | kolla | dedicated displays for dedicated use |
| 09:27.21 | aseigo | ok. so not multiple screens. not virtual desktops. |
| 09:27.28 | canllaith | all at different displays colour depths dpi |
| 09:27.35 | aseigo | kolla: you mean something like a session running on :0 and one running on :1? |
| 09:27.56 | kolla | aseigo: more like :0.0 and :0.1 |
| 09:28.20 | aseigo | so ... dualhead |
| 09:28.28 | kolla | no :) |
| 09:28.32 | kolla | for example.. |
| 09:29.00 | lauri | which is what I have going, right now, just not on the same monitor |
| 09:29.03 | lauri | for the 47th time |
| 09:29.08 | lauri | (and *not* xinerama) |
| 09:29.39 | kolla | let's say I have a animation program, and due to the nature of this program it is preferable to run it fullscreen in a certain resolution and depth, how do you do that.. Xnest? :) |
| 09:30.23 | kolla | and ofcourse you want to be able to use clipboard between the desktop and this animation program, and you also want to flip between the two quickly |
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| 09:30.50 | aseigo | kolla: have you ever played games in X which switch the resolution? it is possible. |
| 09:30.55 | lauri | of course, if you're doing serious animation you already have 11 monitors on your desk, so adding a new one doesn't hurt :) |
| 09:30.59 | kolla | aseigo: yes I have |
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| 09:31.53 | kolla | lauri: I dont talk about serious animation, but also not about gif anims for the web, which is what most of anim programs today seem to consentrate on :) |
| 09:32.18 | kolla | aseigo: animation, paint, music.. |
| 09:32.23 | aseigo | music? |
| 09:32.23 | aseigo | hahahahaa |
| 09:32.29 | kolla | sure |
| 09:32.30 | aseigo | and paint? ok. whatever. |
| 09:32.40 | aseigo | you had me considering it with animation, but the rest are patently bogus |
| 09:32.51 | kolla | not that I ever found a music program for linux worth mentioning, but hey.. it might be :) |
| 09:33.02 | aseigo | "you need to have a wierd resolution to hear this music properly" |
| 09:33.31 | kolla | weird |
| 09:33.32 | aseigo | kolla: have you used any music programs on any os? because i have and they don't change resolutions on you |
| 09:33.32 | kolla | not |
| 09:33.45 | kolla | aseigo: oh, but I have :) |
| 09:34.06 | kolla | aseigo: ofcourse I cannot mention them, as you will then treat me as an outcast |
| 09:34.07 | aseigo | kolla: uh-huh. and which odd resolution changing music applications were these and on which os? |
| 09:34.13 | kolla | I dare not say |
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| 09:34.15 | lauri | cthuga!! |
| 09:34.19 | aseigo | lol |
| 09:34.25 | canllaith | uh.... why would we treat you like an outcast because you use an application....... |
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| 09:34.28 | aseigo | kolla: i could care less what you use. |
| 09:34.31 | sarah03 | kolla: If they have to change the resolution, it sounds like horribly bad UI design. |
| 09:34.34 | kolla | because types like you do :) |
| 09:34.41 | eivindtr | Anotherone on logging out.. how do you dispense with the logout dialog alltogether, and just end the session immediately? |
| 09:34.43 | canllaith | types like what exactly? |
| 09:34.51 | aseigo | canllaith: mean people who know what they are talking about, apparently |
| 09:34.54 | lauri | perhaps if you stopped thinking of us as "types" and quit with the attempts to patronise, we wouldn't be doing it back at you |
| 09:35.00 | canllaith | kolla, that sounded a lot like an insult from here. Types like what ? |
| 09:35.03 | kolla | leet smartasses that knows it all and definently know my needs better than I do myself :) |
| 09:35.21 | canllaith | kolla, right and I am this exactly how? I don't recall having actually said anything much to you in the last half hour |
| 09:35.31 | canllaith | so I am wondering on what evidence you have that I am a smartass know it all ? |
| 09:35.34 | kolla | lauri: to confuse |
| 09:35.38 | lauri | it's not working |
| 09:35.43 | kolla | you are not confused? |
| 09:35.49 | lauri | not in the slightest |
| 09:35.53 | kolla | so why did you ask? :) |
| 09:36.07 | lauri | it's quite clear you're being insulting and patronising in an attempt to goad us into just telling you what you want to hear |
| 09:36.16 | lauri | do continue |
| 09:36.22 | lauri | it's like watching a train wreck |
| 09:36.32 | canllaith | I am still wondering how a person not involved in the discussion is automatically branded with insulting names :) |
| 09:36.33 | straw | heh |
| 09:36.34 | kolla | oh, but this train wrecked years ago |
| 09:37.33 | kolla | anyways, it's not so impossible to imagine that one might want to run certain programs in other resolutions than the desktop, is there? |
| 09:37.35 | aseigo | eivindtr: dcop ksmserver '' logout |
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| 09:37.43 | aseigo | eivindtr: it requires three params though... |
| 09:37.51 | aseigo | eivindtr: the first is logout confirmation.. |
| 09:38.09 | kolla | (including music programs, be it midi trackers, virtual studios or whatever) |
| 09:38.12 | aseigo | kolla: no, and it happens all the time. |
| 09:38.17 | aseigo | kolla: but no, not music programs. |
| 09:38.32 | eivindtr | aseigo: Thanks again! |
| 09:38.48 | kolla | aseigo: I wouldnt know, havent found any good music programs for linux yet :) |
| 09:38.50 | aseigo | kolla: ok.. so besides not being able to switch depth on the fly in X.org, what else? |
| 09:38.53 | kolla | apart from players |
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| 09:39.22 | aseigo | kolla: it's not about audio apps on linux. it's about how audio apps work. they don't require resolution changes. on windows, mac, unix, whatever.. |
| 09:39.37 | aseigo | kolla: why you keep intimating that they do is beyond me |
| 09:39.55 | kolla | aseigo: none of the .. desktop environments let me set up those "happens all the time" desktops for the programs I want different display environemts for |
| 09:40.30 | MrGrim | if a requirement for a good music program in your book is screwing with screen res you prolly won't find any "good" music programs |
| 09:40.39 | aseigo | ok. so you'd like xdm/gdm/kdm to be extended. fair enough |
| 09:40.48 | kolla | aseigo: no, not whatever |
| 09:41.06 | aseigo | not whatever? |
| 09:41.22 | kolla | aseigo: no, I have tried whatever, and on some whatevers you can indeed get whatever program running in whatever resolution you like, including music programs |
| 09:41.30 | MrGrim | the only reason I can think of for a music program to change resolutions is if said program is a player, and it has visualizations, and then it's up to the visualization to handle it in most cases |
| 09:41.48 | lauri | you can do it easily in the X config, and run them with -- <layout-you-want> on the commandline |
| 09:41.52 | aseigo | kolla: ok. and as was already noted, X can run in different resolutions / depths. great. you would like it to be easier to do that. awesome |
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| 09:42.29 | MrGrim | kolla: you aren't exactly being very clear |
| 09:42.31 | lauri | aseigo: I would like a blue canary in the corner too |
| 09:42.37 | rasput|n | aseigo: i am out of the conversation here but doesn't KDE have options to change resolution? |
| 09:42.42 | aseigo | kolla: so beyond "making it easier to run X in different resolutions/depths" which is, btw, so niche as to not even be counted amongst the "reasons X sucks", what is there? |
| 09:42.46 | lauri | MrGrim: I dunno, he's clear enough, he just is completely tellling the wrong people :) |
| 09:42.53 | straw | rasput|n: yeah |
| 09:42.56 | aseigo | rasput|n: yes, but kolla is resistant to new information |
| 09:43.12 | MrGrim | lauri: I'm not even 100% we are using the term resolution to mean the same thing as him |
| 09:43.13 | aseigo | rasput|n: since this has been mentioned to him previously. he wants on-the-fly depth changing too. fine. |
| 09:43.26 | kolla | ok, so I now run in 1600x1200x32 here and way to open kolourpaint in 800x600x8 full screen, how do I do that? |
| 09:43.39 | MrGrim | ok maybe not |
| 09:43.50 | rasput|n | kolla: wth would you want to do that? |
| 09:43.52 | lauri | MrGrim: if, as it appears, he seems to include colour depth in resolution |
| 09:43.59 | aseigo | eivindtr: btw, do you want the correct values for that dcop call to force a log out? |
| 09:44.22 | kolla | rasput|n: none of you busuness, I'm just using this an example.. perhaps because I like bigget pixels when doing small gifs :) |
| 09:44.26 | kolla | business even |
| 09:44.37 | aseigo | kolla: yes. you make the kolourpaint window 800x600 and use that thing call an imagination to pretend it's full screen |
| 09:44.40 | rasput|n | kolla: uhmm then zoom in? |
| 09:44.43 | aseigo | kolla: zoom |
| 09:44.47 | rasput|n | that is a horrible flawed example |
| 09:44.47 | MrGrim | kolla: there's not much point in changing to a lower color depth, and most graphics programs have zoom capability |
| 09:44.55 | MrGrim | a 2x zoom would achieve the exact same effect |
| 09:45.06 | lauri | and given teh attitude, colour me surprised to see nobody bothering with a real answer |
| 09:45.14 | kolla | lauri: yes, in lack of better term.. screenmode |
| 09:45.15 | MrGrim | kolla: if you want the image to have a lower color depth, you don't have to change the screens color depth to do it |
| 09:45.21 | lauri | aseigo: that crosshash background, it's gotta go |
| 09:45.27 | aseigo | kolla: seriously, this is such a stupid example.. please, can you move on to something else that you think is wrong or should i just lose interest now? |
| 09:45.27 | slayerbob | can't you just use ctrl-alt-+ to cycle through all the available modes anyways ? |
| 09:45.28 | kolla | MrGrim: again, this was an example |
| 09:45.30 | slayerbob | i know i do... |
| 09:45.43 | aseigo | slayerbob: yep, that too |
| 09:45.44 | lauri | slayerbob: shhhh, you'll confuse him with facts |
| 09:45.44 | kolla | this is going just like I expected |
| 09:45.54 | lauri | kolla: then get over your attitude |
| 09:45.55 | MrGrim | kolla: and besides, X is perfectly capable of on the fly video mode switching |
| 09:45.58 | kolla | instead of getting an answer, I'm told how lame I am for wanting it in the first place :) |
| 09:46.02 | slayerbob | although if someone knows an alternative to ctrl-alt-+ that does not involve the numeric keypad i would love to know what it is :P |
| 09:46.02 | rasput|n | kolla: to me it seems like you are looking for reason to say X sucks... by making up situations that you'll never encounter |
| 09:46.09 | aseigo | kolla: er... you are getting answers |
| 09:46.11 | slayerbob | since i have no numeric keypad on this machine :P |
| 09:46.16 | aseigo | kolla: but you didn't ask a question, you made a statement |
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| 09:46.23 | MrGrim | kolla: and for programs where such a thing would make sense, they usually take advantage of it |
| 09:46.32 | lauri | no, I think you're lame because you have a bad attitude, I can totally see why you might want to change resolutions and depths, I do it all the time, but using lame examples is silly |
| 09:46.39 | aseigo | kolla: we asked the question ("what do you think makes X suck?") and your answer thus far has been useless |
| 09:46.55 | kolla | aseigo: well, this is one of the reasons for me why X11 is tedious to use, and mind you, so is windows and OSX :) |
| 09:47.03 | aseigo | kolla: you've presented us with "changing resolutions and depths" and a number of ways to do that have been presented |
| 09:47.26 | kolla | I must have missed something then, I didnt see any numbers of ways |
| 09:47.26 | aseigo | kolla: personally, i've noted that it's probably fair to say that the issue here is "make it easier to do so"... |
| 09:47.35 | lauri | ctrl++ and ctrl+- |
| 09:47.36 | lauri | xnest |
| 09:47.42 | aseigo | kolla: randr, command line switches, ctrl++ / ctrl+- |
| 09:47.44 | lauri | running X from startx with different server layouts |
| 09:47.46 | lauri | randr |
| 09:48.09 | lauri | run a second X session on :1.0 |
| 09:48.10 | kolla | aseigo: that changes zoom, which is fine, allthough annoying due to the panning |
| 09:48.11 | straw | actually, it's surprising X doesn't change bit depth by now |
| 09:48.23 | aseigo | kolla: no, only one of those things changes zoom |
| 09:48.28 | straw | "on they fly", i mean |
| 09:48.32 | slayerbob | straw: not really - it would have very limited usefulness |
| 09:48.34 | aseigo | straw: yeah. x.org implementation issue |
| 09:48.46 | lauri | straw: clearly, few people actually *need* that (and as has been pointed out, games can do it, so it's clearly possible, just perhaps not exposed to the user in any useful fashion) |
| 09:48.51 | MrGrim | slayerbob: newer versions of kde can run a program to sit in the systray to change resolutions using some new extension that will change the virtual desktop size as well, and can control refresh rate |
| 09:49.07 | slayerbob | any properly written program that uses 8 bit colours will work with 32 bit colour |
| 09:49.09 | kolla | slayerbob: really, considering the problems there is with video overlay in 16bit vs. 32bit? :) |
| 09:49.13 | lauri | Renze: rdp sessions to terminal server fail if you're in 16bit |
| 09:49.17 | straw | true, i cant think of a useful need for it |
| 09:49.17 | kolla | on certain gfx cards |
| 09:49.35 | MrGrim | Renze: broken sdl apps that use 16bit color surfaces, bon't don't convert before blitting, run very slowly in 24/32bit |
| 09:49.36 | kolla | SDL video output that needs 16bit on savage for example |
| 09:49.39 | Renze | lauri: that's OK, I never use 16bit :) |
| 09:49.42 | MrGrim | Renze: that's th eonly reason I can think of |
| 09:49.42 | lauri | (they work in 8 bit and 24bit though :) |
| 09:49.45 | kolla | too bad if your X11 is 32bit :( |
| 09:49.46 | kolla | :) |
| 09:49.47 | aseigo | yes, apps that are broken are broken |
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| 09:49.52 | aseigo | good job |
| 09:49.52 | slayerbob | kolla: in that case you just use 16 bit and not 32 bit... |
| 09:49.53 | rasput|n | the only reason i can think to change color depth would be to run in a low one to save resources and change to a higher one when i need the extra sharpness |
| 09:50.07 | MrGrim | besides |
| 09:50.07 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ |
| 09:50.09 | canllaith | yay :) |
| 09:50.18 | MrGrim | changing color depth would be nice even if just for the sake of completeness |
| 09:50.23 | aseigo | so, we agree that some people would like it |
| 09:50.31 | aseigo | and that it isn't exposed via X properly |
| 09:50.36 | rasput|n | canllaith: where is my screenshot:( |
| 09:50.38 | aseigo | that != sucks =) |
| 09:50.39 | kolla | slayerbob: but what if I prefer running 32bit, kinda sucks to run 16bit only for SDL :) |
| 09:50.44 | MrGrim | perhaps we lack the foresight to recognize a good use that someone else will see |
| 09:51.01 | canllaith | rasput|n, lol I was kinda after showing new features rather than just how cool you can make it look |
| 09:51.03 | slayerbob | kolla: then don't buy crap video cards :) |
| 09:51.05 | canllaith | (it did look really cool!) |
| 09:51.20 | kolla | slayerbob: find me a laptop without :) |
| 09:51.30 | canllaith | oh there are stacks |
| 09:51.34 | kolla | hehe |
| 09:51.35 | canllaith | if you want to pay the $$$$ heh |
| 09:51.41 | aseigo | canllaith: how about the remote:/ isolave? |
| 09:51.43 | aseigo | er, ioslave |
| 09:51.48 | canllaith | aseigo, erm |
| 09:51.51 | aseigo | canllaith: with the network connections dialog? |
| 09:51.53 | lauri | show me someone doing serious video or animation on a laptop without an external display |
| 09:51.59 | canllaith | oooooh ooooh oooh oooh aseigo ok adding now :) |
| 09:52.13 | lauri | (and if they are... ask them what video card they have, because they will have paid top dollar for a good one) |
| 09:52.14 | canllaith | aseigo, that is SO funky |
| 09:52.22 | kolla | and while changing size of desktop.. back on topic with KDE... and this is funny |
| 09:52.23 | physos | moin moin |
| 09:52.25 | aseigo | kolla: any other X issues besides on the fly depth switching? |
| 09:52.35 | straw | 3.4 looks hella cool :) |
| 09:52.49 | lauri | canllaith: the ugh! |
| 09:52.57 | lauri | ok, that's pretty boring really |
| 09:52.59 | kolla | say you have painfully gone through the job of placing icons on your desktop to be located where you want them.. and then some program changes size of the desktop.. hehe |
| 09:53.13 | aseigo | canllaith: oh! the new simplified default toolbar in webbrowser mode |
| 09:53.35 | lauri | kolla: not an X issue |
| 09:53.42 | aseigo | canllaith: the new images in kopete's kontacts that come from the addressbook and tie into the presence awareness stuff |
| 09:53.43 | kolla | lauri: indeed, a KDE issue |
| 09:53.54 | lauri | yes, did you file a bug or vote for the existing ones? |
| 09:54.07 | kolla | aseigo: yes, multiple displays within one single X11 session |
| 09:54.15 | kolla | aseigo: on one monitor |
| 09:54.33 | kolla | aseigo: and that those displays might have different size, resolution and depth |
| 09:54.39 | MrGrim | I'm not sure if this is a hardware issue or not, but I'd like to be able to set gamma for Xv overlays |
| 09:54.40 | canllaith | aseigo, definitely kopete & kaddressbook yes |
| 09:54.48 | aseigo | kolla: seeing as no other OS does that, i don't see that as a suckage |
| 09:55.00 | kolla | what do you mean "no other OS"? |
| 09:55.04 | kolla | I know at least two |
| 09:55.06 | aseigo | kolla: in fact, supporting that would make X superior .. not supporting it makes it rather mundane |
| 09:55.13 | aseigo | ok, in mainstream usage |
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| 09:55.21 | kolla | you mean windows and OSX |
| 09:55.34 | slayerbob | aseigo: maybe it could be modified so that you can have two screen resolutions at the same time - that might keep kolla happy - would be very messy on the screen though :P |
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| 09:55.42 | MrGrim | slayerbob: warnings like that don't inspire confidence when you are dealing with storage O_o |
| 09:55.50 | slayerbob | MrGrim: indeed |
| 09:55.54 | kolla | slayerbob: nah, works fine on those systems I know of |
| 09:55.55 | aseigo | kolla: in any case.. BESIDES depth/resolution switching what sucks in X? or is that the totality of your gripe? |
| 09:55.57 | slayerbob | i am just glad i have no scsi devices :P |
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| 09:56.31 | MrGrim | naw resolution switching is pretty good now with that new extension... whos name I cannot remember for shit |
| 09:56.39 | kolla | xrandr? |
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| 09:56.50 | rasput|n | sdl has functions to change depth... could this be added into a gui to change the depth? |
| 09:57.05 | aseigo | canllaith: the new juk album info stuff? |
| 09:57.11 | slayerbob | kolla: i meant on the same screen at the same time :) |
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| 09:57.35 | lauri | slayerbob: ooh, sort of a bifocal effect? |
| 09:57.36 | kolla | slayerbob: that too :) |
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| 09:57.52 | aseigo | canllaith: oooh oooh! and the new "Get New Wallpapers" in the wallpaper background kcm? |
| 09:57.57 | kolla | slayerbob: but that takes CRT monitors and somewhat dedicated hardware |
| 09:57.58 | lauri | or like those billboards |
| 09:58.09 | lauri | lean to the left for one res, to the right for the other :) |
| 09:58.19 | slayerbob | lauri: or perhaps display one resolution for a single frame, then the other one, etc :P |
| 09:58.19 | slayerbob | :P |
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| 09:58.27 | MrGrim | ya randr... it's suppose to do color depth switching too... but that part remains unimplemented afaik |
| 09:58.39 | lauri | soooo |
| 09:58.53 | MrGrim | rasput|n: sdl cannot change the depth in X |
| 09:58.57 | lauri | i connected to the terminal server in a 1024x768x24bpp window |
| 09:58.59 | rasput|n | MrGrim: mmk |
| 09:59.09 | lauri | and back to here in a exceed window, and then tried to find something to change the colour depth |
| 09:59.11 | MrGrim | rasput|n: it'll emulate it... that option exists for platforms that can |
| 09:59.23 | lauri | and then the terminal server connection crashed, but I can see that the exceed session is still hooked up here |
| 09:59.30 | lauri | but now i can't get back on to the terminal server :) |
| 09:59.35 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:00.18 | lauri | Matt's going to kill me |
| 10:00.27 | lauri | also, it means I can't do any more work until he fixes it |
| 10:00.31 | lauri | notice me caring a whole lot |
| 10:00.48 | aseigo | matt> killall -9 lauri |
| 10:00.58 | lauri | he daren't |
| 10:01.13 | lauri | he broke my KDE the other day so bad I had to take him out of the sudoers |
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| 10:01.26 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:01.34 | lauri | he was ssh'ed into his machine... installed KDE 3.3 kdelibs + pim, all good |
| 10:01.40 | lauri | except it wasn't *his* machine he was ssh'ed into |
| 10:01.52 | lauri | and mine had HEAD built on it |
| 10:01.58 | lauri | and boy was that a mess |
| 10:02.01 | straw | heh |
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| 10:03.45 | canllaith | :$ |
| 10:04.14 | lauri | oh hey |
| 10:04.16 | lauri | solaris folks |
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| 10:04.34 | lauri | doesn't that x server do multiple visual depths at once by default (or without too much trouble?) |
| 10:05.18 | aseigo | haahahah.. sad: http://media.hamncheez.com/?p=linux_grafitti.jpg |
| 10:05.28 | lauri | ie 8/24 so you could run desktop in 24 bit but netscape in it's own little 8 bit ghetto |
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| 10:06.26 | lauri | heh, aseigo that's swedish I think |
| 10:06.34 | aseigo | damn swedes =) |
| 10:06.37 | sarah03 | Tell me I'm not supposed to make Konqueror trap global shortcuts through JavaScript... |
| 10:06.59 | sarah03 | [For whatever reason... the code I'm writing had managed to trap alt-tab and make it not work. Don't ask me how.] |
| 10:07.46 | aseigo | sarah03: sweet. |
| 10:07.53 | lauri | well, javascript let's you trap the right mouse button and other such global keybindings (I count mousebuttons as keybindings) |
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| 10:08.16 | lauri | so I'd say yes, I think you are supposed to be able to do that, as ill-advised as that might be to do on purpose |
| 10:08.44 | sarah03 | lauri: It was entirely accidental [and I'm not cancelling any of the events that are going in, either.] |
| 10:08.58 | lauri | funky :) |
| 10:09.11 | sarah03 | However, I will say I've ran into one problem while handling keyboard events in Konqueror: the event type as passed in on the event object seems to always be 'keydown'. |
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| 10:09.44 | sarah03 | Which caused breakage when I was trying to track the state of things like the shift key. |
| 10:10.49 | lauri | heh, you're way outta my league, I was just making a wild leap of logic :) |
| 10:11.46 | rasput|n | yeah! elton john and coding! this is like sex |
| 10:11.54 | rasput|n | </geekiness> |
| 10:12.07 | kolla | rasput|n: with elton john? :) |
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| 10:13.19 | rasput|n | kolla: you are confused |
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| 10:14.54 | ita | rasput|n: screw you :) |
| 10:16.52 | lauri | I love amarok's append suggestions feature |
| 10:17.00 | lauri | but it gets really confused sometimes |
| 10:17.10 | rasput|n | ita: lol |
| 10:17.18 | lauri | it just recommended me the ducktales theme for a papa roach song |
| 10:17.54 | rasput|n | beep-media-player |
| 10:18.06 | MrGrim | lauri: it might be on to something |
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| 10:18.16 | lauri | it might |
| 10:18.30 | lauri | or on something.. acid maybe |
| 10:18.56 | MrGrim | tell it to share |
| 10:21.15 | rasput|n | i hate work |
| 10:22.33 | lauri | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/miscellaneous/B00067F1CE/qid=1106509982/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-7441722-1331123 |
| 10:23.05 | lauri | Includes head/tail and turn signal lights, trim and underbody lighting!! |
| 10:23.23 | mustasj | hehe |
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| 10:24.40 | lauri | a ricer tank, who can resist |
| 10:24.57 | willwork4foo | I back. |
| 10:26.36 | rasput|n | is putting a plexiglass door and glowing led fans in my case the same as tricking out a honda? |
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| 10:28.57 | Renze | rasput|n: only if you also install a $20,000 sound system |
| 10:29.11 | canllaith | but you have to be really careful |
| 10:29.30 | canllaith | that the sound system is worth at least twice the value of the receptacle |
| 10:29.39 | Renze | at least |
| 10:29.57 | canllaith | yeah, 3 times is much better |
| 10:30.16 | rasput|n | i actually have a DAW setup |
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| 10:30.46 | MrGrim | rasput|n: only if you think the led fans make your system run faster |
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| 10:30.53 | debian | what's the hotkey for triggering the screensaver/lock screen in kde? I accidentally trigger it once but I forgot which keys I pressed |
| 10:31.08 | Renze | MrGrim: those photons push the fan that little bit faster |
| 10:31.44 | rasput|n | i'm not sure if ita is actually pissed at me |
| 10:32.41 | Renze | rasput|n: c'mon, I'm sure you've had enough people pissed at you to be able to tell by now :) |
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| 10:33.34 | rasput|n | Renze: irc is void of emotion |
| 10:34.20 | MrGrim | ya the name alone makes me wanna be mad at you |
| 10:34.29 | MrGrim | :P |
| 10:34.42 | rasput|n | MrGrim: Moldy was taken |
| 10:34.48 | Renze | rasput|n: with enough experience, you can read it |
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| 10:35.29 | rasput|n | Renze: i am disgruntled by the "el33tess" a-holes on IRC though |
| 10:35.45 | Renze | rasput|n: that's why they end up on my ignore list :) |
| 10:37.26 | rasput|n | i'm usually trying to get some help from them |
| 10:39.03 | Renze | you need to treat them like wild chimpanzees... lurk for a while... let them get used to your presence... |
| 10:40.20 | rasput|n | or pull a jay and silent bob and show up at their front doors and see if they hold the same attitude |
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| 10:41.17 | Flendor | Hello! |
| 10:42.16 | rasput|n | Flendor: HI! |
| 10:42.38 | Flendor | Hey rasputin, how goes? |
| 10:43.17 | rasput|n | eh |
| 10:43.20 | rasput|n | depressed |
| 10:43.32 | rasput|n | because i realize that the sun will rise... and work will summon me once again |
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| 10:46.02 | Flendor | :/ |
| 10:46.11 | Flendor | Well is your work too boring to be liked? |
| 10:46.21 | Flendor | I like my work, for example. |
| 10:46.27 | rasput|n | Flendor: are you aware of what a focus group is? |
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| 10:51.51 | Flendor | Nope |
| 10:52.00 | Flendor | What do they do? |
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| 10:53.25 | rasput|n | a focus group is when a group of 10-20 people sit in a room with a one way mirror and try/discuss a new product/service |
| 10:53.47 | rasput|n | and company execs/market research people watch them and record them to improve their products or decide to even continue with production |
| 10:53.58 | rasput|n | well... what I do is... |
| 10:54.30 | rasput|n | i sit in a cubical and i call people and try to look for that needle in the hay stack that fits the criteria we need for participants in focus groups and then convince them to come down and attend one |
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| 10:55.38 | canllaith | hi hi sredna :) |
| 10:55.46 | sredna | Hi :-) |
| 10:56.08 | sredna | How nice :) |
| 10:57.18 | rasput|n | im in sort of a crappy mood... which is odd cause i'm usualyl in a good mood |
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| 10:58.01 | rasput|n | sycofly: you mean vodka |
| 10:58.03 | Flendor | :/ |
| 10:58.10 | sycofly | hehe |
| 10:58.35 | Flendor | Well rasputin at least you talk with a lot of new people |
| 10:58.49 | Flendor | Hello sredna! |
| 10:58.51 | canllaith | I call it, red cordial :D |
| 10:58.52 | Flendor | :D |
| 10:58.54 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 10:59.03 | terra1 | hi guys |
| 10:59.38 | canllaith | coffee? :P |
| 10:59.54 | rasput|n | Flendor: a lot of rude half beats who are desperately trying to fake their answers to get payed for evaluating something they are not qualified to evaluate |
| 11:00.03 | rasput|n | i am angry |
| 11:00.04 | terra1 | hmm has anyone tried to compile the latest arts from CVS? |
| 11:00.15 | Flendor | Oh. :/ |
| 11:00.19 | canllaith | It has been broken for a wee while afaik |
| 11:00.22 | rasput|n | termo: i was going to... then i realized that arts sucks |
| 11:00.25 | rasput|n | so i stopped |
| 11:00.31 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:00.44 | canllaith | I think it has been broken, but I am not entirely sure since it changes so rarely |
| 11:00.49 | sredna | Mmmh - yes, coffee |
| 11:00.51 | canllaith | I basically build it once every few months, and never update it |
| 11:00.51 | terra1 | yea ij |
| 11:00.52 | terra1 | ok |
| 11:01.05 | terra1 | oh i just want to build kde 3.4 beta -.-" |
| 11:01.10 | canllaith | kdelibs will happily build against it for months and months on end |
| 11:01.14 | terra1 | for... for fun i guess |
| 11:01.15 | canllaith | terra1, oh arts should happily build in that |
| 11:01.21 | canllaith | I thought you meant cvs HEAD |
| 11:01.25 | terra1 | yea ;) |
| 11:01.25 | terra1 | sry |
| 11:01.37 | canllaith | Should work fine in the beta, what error are you getting? |
| 11:01.42 | rasput|n | canllaith: i like your use of happilly |
| 11:01.46 | terra1 | no it was the CVS head ;) |
| 11:01.59 | terra1 | iam gonna download the beta packages ;) |
| 11:02.04 | terra1 | the source packages -.- |
| 11:02.04 | canllaith | ah ok then :) |
| 11:02.11 | terra1 | but anyway thank you |
| 11:02.15 | ita | ls |
| 11:02.24 | canllaith | ita, wrong window ;) |
| 11:02.51 | canllaith | someone should come do it for me. Any volunteers to be my compiling slaves? |
| 11:02.55 | terra1 | you can sit in front of the TV and compile the sources on the laptop standing on your knees |
| 11:02.57 | canllaith | Bring a dual xeon please |
| 11:02.58 | ita | canllaith: yes |
| 11:03.02 | Flendor | Sure, I sometimes enjoy just installpkg'ing something..But I enjoy watching compiling text flow down the screen :) |
| 11:03.13 | terra1 | yea |
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| 11:03.18 | terra1 | sometimes you can see pictures in it |
| 11:03.24 | Flendor | canllaith - Will you give me nice food? |
| 11:03.34 | rasput|n | Flendor: i get the best of both worlds |
| 11:03.35 | canllaith | Flendor, of course. You are not vegetarian are you? |
| 11:03.35 | rasput|n | gentoo |
| 11:03.37 | rasput|n | emerge package |
| 11:03.47 | Flendor | Nope, I'm not! |
| 11:03.47 | rasput|n | no work on my part and i still get to see the compiler output |
| 11:03.47 | willwork4foo | apparently, I weigh 0.092079 metric tonnes. |
| 11:03.50 | canllaith | Excellent :) |
| 11:03.52 | Flendor | And I get to see bob too :D |
| 11:03.54 | rasput|n | willwork4foo: fatass |
| 11:03.56 | canllaith | willwork4foo, heh you fatty boy! |
| 11:03.56 | willwork4foo | fantastic this conversion software |
| 11:04.00 | Flendor | Apparently he likes me :) |
| 11:04.04 | canllaith | (kidding, that isn't all that much more than me really) |
| 11:04.10 | canllaith | Flendor, ah fair enough :) |
| 11:04.12 | willwork4foo | lol] |
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| 11:04.47 | rasput|n | i'm uh... 160 pounds last time i checked... but im getting fatter |
| 11:04.49 | willwork4foo | but according to this same program, I weigh 0.0000000 Earth Masses. |
| 11:04.49 | rasput|n | so prolly 170 |
| 11:05.00 | canllaith | rasput|n, gosh that's very slim. Are you tall? |
| 11:05.01 | willwork4foo | so I'm actually weightless when you talk in terms of celestial bodies. |
| 11:05.11 | rasput|n | canllaith: 5'8" |
| 11:05.17 | canllaith | willwork4foo, and yours is pretty damn heavenly ;) |
| 11:05.20 | rasput|n | 5'9" on a good day |
| 11:05.23 | canllaith | </buttering up> |
| 11:05.34 | willwork4foo | ooooooooooooo |
| 11:05.34 | terra1 | don't you wanna tell me how to calculate into kilograms |
| 11:05.35 | terra1 | :D |
| 11:05.40 | canllaith | rasput|n, heh I am taller than you then - you're about the same height as my b/f. Marginally taller (he is 5'7 I think) |
| 11:05.54 | rasput|n | canllaith: tall girl |
| 11:05.59 | rasput|n | my girlfriend just got her back pierced |
| 11:06.08 | canllaith | rasput|n, well I think of me as normal and him as short. |
| 11:06.11 | terra1 | oh mine her clitoris ^^ |
| 11:06.16 | canllaith | :| |
| 11:06.17 | willwork4foo | apparently, I weigh 1421000 grains. but... grains of what? |
| 11:06.21 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:06.33 | rasput|n | willwork4foo: dark matter |
| 11:06.47 | willwork4foo | that would mean I am immensely heavy. |
| 11:06.47 | rasput|n | willwork4foo: you are infinately fat |
| 11:06.50 | willwork4foo | yep. |
| 11:06.54 | willwork4foo | sounds about right |
| 11:06.57 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:07.04 | canllaith | it's all those snazzy lunches in the staff cafeteria |
| 11:07.08 | rasput|n | canllaith: how much do YOU weigh |
| 11:07.13 | canllaith | rasput|n, um let me convert |
| 11:07.30 | rasput|n | canllaith: oh sorry... im all american |
| 11:07.30 | canllaith | I am 170lbs |
| 11:07.36 | rasput|n | we have the stupidest measuring system |
| 11:07.41 | canllaith | but I am 5'10 |
| 11:07.51 | rasput|n | yeah |
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| 11:08.01 | rasput|n | so you are thinner than me |
| 11:08.15 | rasput|n | women are so cool |
| 11:08.15 | canllaith | Well... I'm reasonably solid, but certainly not fat. |
| 11:08.20 | willwork4foo | I recently had to go buy some new jeans - with a 38" waist. I was utterly gutted. |
| 11:08.24 | willwork4foo | I used to be a 32" waist. |
| 11:08.33 | willwork4foo | canllaith: you? normal? |
| 11:08.34 | rasput|n | canllaith: well like marlyn monroe would be considered overweight now |
| 11:08.35 | canllaith | heh I don't even want to think of what size mens jeans I'd fit |
| 11:08.52 | canllaith | rasput|n, indeed and I have a figure somewhat like that. I think of it as 'healthy' more than anything else though. |
| 11:08.56 | willwork4foo | canllaith: more like supernormal |
| 11:09.04 | willwork4foo | or paranormal |
| 11:09.07 | canllaith | LOL |
| 11:09.08 | canllaith | ok, definitely not |
| 11:09.09 | rasput|n | the old lady is 100 pounds |
| 11:09.09 | willwork4foo | (it was) |
| 11:09.20 | rasput|n | she floats off if i open the window at night |
| 11:09.24 | canllaith | I think Andrew is 170lbs too |
| 11:09.30 | canllaith | We weight the same but he is 3" shorter |
| 11:09.34 | Flendor | How much is 170 pounds (in Kilos)? |
| 11:09.35 | willwork4foo | if I had said "abnormal" or "subnormal" then that would have been insulting |
| 11:09.40 | canllaith | Flendor, about 80ish |
| 11:09.45 | Flendor | I see :) |
| 11:09.57 | canllaith | bit less |
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| 11:10.21 | Flendor | Hello radiohead |
| 11:10.35 | canllaith | oh wow |
| 11:10.40 | canllaith | andrew isn't quite 5'7 |
| 11:10.42 | Flendor | I need food :/ 1 PM is the perfect time for lunch.. |
| 11:10.48 | rasput|n | canllaith: that your boyfriend? |
| 11:10.56 | canllaith | rasput|n, aye |
| 11:10.59 | canllaith | he's 5'6 it seems |
| 11:11.02 | rasput|n | he be short |
| 11:11.06 | rasput|n | is that weird? |
| 11:11.08 | canllaith | he indeed be short |
| 11:11.12 | canllaith | well we come from different countries |
| 11:11.16 | canllaith | seems normal here for guys to be pretty short |
| 11:11.28 | rasput|n | i see |
| 11:11.36 | rasput|n | are the women all amazon down there? |
| 11:11.38 | canllaith | apart from Renze |
| 11:11.47 | canllaith | who is dutch, anyway so I don't know why he's coughing |
| 11:11.53 | Flendor | Hey, Renzy :) |
| 11:11.59 | Renze | can't a guy cough? :) |
| 11:12.01 | canllaith | Well it depends where. Where I come from in NZ there were 2 other women on my street as tall as me |
| 11:12.06 | Renze | hi Flendor |
| 11:12.07 | canllaith | erm |
| 11:12.11 | canllaith | in AUSTRALIA |
| 11:12.17 | canllaith | I do not come from NZ... stupid keyboard dyslexity |
| 11:12.36 | canllaith | heh it's ok flendor I am amazingly confused |
| 11:12.42 | rasput|n | canllaith: here in america... we are just fat |
| 11:12.45 | canllaith | I used to move around so much that I'd put the wrong state down on forms |
| 11:12.50 | canllaith | now I put down the entire wrong country |
| 11:12.52 | willwork4foo | LOL |
| 11:12.56 | Flendor | LOL |
| 11:12.58 | willwork4foo | that's concerning |
| 11:13.06 | rasput|n | we are the fatest country in the world |
| 11:13.10 | sarah03 | rasput|n: Feh. Not all of us here in the US are fat. |
| 11:13.13 | willwork4foo | rasput|n: yep. |
| 11:13.17 | rasput|n | sarah03: i'm not |
| 11:13.22 | rasput|n | but in general lol |
| 11:13.24 | Flendor | But you've been in NZ for quite a bit though, non? |
| 11:13.28 | willwork4foo | sarah03: no, just around 80% |
| 11:13.34 | canllaith | Flendor, yeah um a year and a half I think |
| 11:13.34 | rasput|n | me and sarah03 are very close geographically |
| 11:13.44 | Flendor | Oh..Not very long :/ |
| 11:13.50 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/andy&jes.png < --- me and the midget |
| 11:13.52 | canllaith | aint he cute? |
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| 11:14.07 | canllaith | although he has lots stacks of weight since that pic. |
| 11:14.18 | rasput|n | http://www.travishoffman.net/images/kt_hat.jpg |
| 11:14.18 | sarah03 | ... I'm 5'11, 145lbs. And I've got this bad habit of wearing big heels, too. |
| 11:14.28 | sarah03 | [So I usually end up looking more like 6'2 or so.] |
| 11:14.31 | rasput|n | i don't take pictures with her.. because she makes me uglier than i already am |
| 11:14.37 | canllaith | sarah03, gosh you are pretty slim then. I don't wear heels for that exact reason. |
| 11:15.13 | sarah03 | People don't tell me 'eat a sandwich already', so *shrug*. |
| 11:15.15 | Flendor | canllaith - Where is he looking at?? |
| 11:15.24 | canllaith | Flendor, lol who knows, he was really drunk |
| 11:15.29 | Flendor | Hehe |
| 11:15.32 | canllaith | that was my 21st a bit over a year ago |
| 11:15.44 | canllaith | (yes, he's a fair bit older. No, it doesn't matter to us.) |
| 11:15.45 | Flendor | Yay, happy birthday! |
| 11:15.48 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:15.55 | Flendor | ;) |
| 11:16.03 | rasput|n | sarah03: you are friggin tall |
| 11:16.11 | rasput|n | what is up with nerdy chicks and tallness |
| 11:16.21 | canllaith | LOL |
| 11:16.27 | sarah03 | lol |
| 11:16.28 | canllaith | only cause you're such a cheeky sod we all want to slap you. |
| 11:16.33 | canllaith | and the bigger ones might actually manage it |
| 11:16.40 | willwork4foo | when I stand next to my fiance, the top of her head is under my chin |
| 11:16.45 | willwork4foo | she's tiny |
| 11:16.48 | Flendor | Yay, now nice :D |
| 11:17.00 | willwork4foo | me too |
| 11:17.09 | rasput|n | does that girl look sad in that pic i posted? |
| 11:17.15 | willwork4foo | she has to reach up to slap me... |
| 11:17.17 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 11:17.23 | canllaith | I like intelligent guys, how they look doesn't even come into it. |
| 11:17.37 | rasput|n | canllaith: hell yeah |
| 11:17.40 | willwork4foo | Flendor: good choice. |
| 11:17.42 | rasput|n | unshallow girls are cool |
| 11:17.47 | Flendor | Well Andrew is intelligent, and he sure doesn't look bad.. |
| 11:17.48 | willwork4foo | canllaith: absolutely agree there! |
| 11:17.57 | canllaith | oh, andrew is absolutely adorably cute :) |
| 11:18.01 | Flendor | When are you marrying (if you are marrying after all)? |
| 11:18.07 | canllaith | but I'd think that no matter what he looked like, because it's the intelligence that hooks me. |
| 11:18.17 | canllaith | Flendor, lol not for a looooong time. |
| 11:18.24 | sarah03 | He's got a cute round face. :) |
| 11:18.25 | Flendor | Hey, not to YOU |
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| 11:18.31 | canllaith | oooh sorry you mean Ben |
| 11:18.33 | Flendor | I said it to willwork4foo |
| 11:18.47 | rasput|n | round face eh... i am going back to mcdonalds if that's what girls like |
| 11:18.57 | Flendor | I don't think I will ask you that question again :/ |
| 11:19.22 | radiohead | hey Flendor |
| 11:19.24 | canllaith | sarah03, he has his cute moments in pics: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/andrew-awww.jpg |
| 11:19.28 | radiohead | how are you friend? |
| 11:19.41 | canllaith | and of course my favourite one :) http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/andrew_dessa.jpg |
| 11:19.44 | Flendor | I'm fine! Just chatting with mes amis here in #kde |
| 11:20.13 | canllaith | Which everyone has seen, but I just love that pic soo much I'll bore you all again anyway. |
| 11:20.21 | sarah03 | canllaith: He looks a wee bit sloshed in that one. :) |
| 11:20.27 | Flendor | You look gorgeous in that last picture BTW |
| 11:20.32 | rasput|n | moo |
| 11:20.40 | canllaith | sarah03, heh poor baby went out sailing with his da and brother and his brothers wife's family from germany |
| 11:20.44 | rasput|n | people never look like i imagine |
| 11:20.51 | PhilRod | canllaith: even my konqueror likes that picture - it doesn't crash on it :-) |
| 11:20.54 | canllaith | so he was just all exhausted from being dragged away from his cmputer awwwwww :( |
| 11:20.56 | sarah03 | That explains the sunburn that he looks like he's got. |
| 11:21.23 | Flendor | Hello PhilRod! |
| 11:21.23 | canllaith | yeah |
| 11:21.23 | canllaith | I was beetroot |
| 11:21.23 | canllaith | which is why the second shot is sepia |
| 11:21.23 | PhilRod | hey Flendor :-) |
| 11:21.23 | canllaith | that was the very next day, and I was lookin like a tomato |
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| 11:21.56 | canllaith | hiya babe :) |
| 11:22.14 | Flendor | Bob! Hullo! |
| 11:22.14 | sarah03 | *nods* That's why I tend to avoid the day star. |
| 11:22.14 | radiohead | Flendor: :) good man |
| 11:22.21 | rasput|n | sarah03: did you just call the sun "the day star" |
| 11:22.26 | canllaith | sarah03, heh indeed. Every other photograph of me shows me as english geeks usually are - china-doll pale |
| 11:22.27 | sarah03 | rasput|n: Yes, I did. |
| 11:23.23 | Flendor | How you doin, radiohead? |
| 11:23.30 | rasput|n | i have a ginormous head |
| 11:23.35 | canllaith | Flendor, you're such a cutey and you have gorgeous coloured skin. Don't wish it away :) |
| 11:23.39 | radiohead | fine working and checking some tips on the net :) |
| 11:23.55 | Flendor | Hehe, in fact I'm very pale compared to my dad.. |
| 11:24.01 | radiohead | Flendor: and trying 2 find where can i buy a medical equipment for electro terapy |
| 11:24.04 | Flendor | :D Thank you Canny! |
| 11:24.08 | canllaith | slayerbob, oh nothin 0:-) |
| 11:24.09 | rasput|n | http://www.travishoffman.net/images/travis.jpg <--- ginormous head |
| 11:24.27 | Flendor | Hope you can find it, and find it cheap radiohead |
| 11:24.33 | rasput|n | sarah03: is this day star thing an intentional nerdy thing? |
| 11:24.50 | Flendor | What's all this calling her "nerdy" and stuff? |
| 11:25.03 | rasput|n | rasput|n: Flendorit is a compliment |
| 11:25.07 | radiohead | Flendor: well trully i do not have 2 much moiney but i don`t cre since it is for my little girl man |
| 11:25.07 | slayerbob | oh and hi to all those who greeted on my entry to the channel :) |
| 11:25.07 | rasput|n | flendor i mean |
| 11:25.09 | canllaith | rasput|n, well, there really isn't anything to differentiate sol from any other star.... except that we have given it a name. 'day star' is descriptive enough |
| 11:25.35 | slayerbob | i just call it "that annoying inconvenient burny thing" |
| 11:25.40 | rasput|n | haha |
| 11:25.41 | canllaith | heh |
| 11:25.51 | Flendor | :) |
| 11:25.52 | slayerbob | oh great |
| 11:25.55 | canllaith | at least I didn't get burnt last time we went out i nit |
| 11:25.56 | canllaith | in it * |
| 11:25.57 | slayerbob | holly screen dying again :( |
| 11:25.57 | sarah03 | I call it the "day star" because it's the one that we see during the day. |
| 11:26.05 | canllaith | awwww nooo :( |
| 11:26.14 | slayerbob | i can fix it |
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| 11:26.27 | canllaith | I think mostly because marion smothered me with about half a bottle of the thickest greasiest suntan lotion I have ever seen |
| 11:26.31 | canllaith | it was like greasepaint |
| 11:26.39 | Flendor | Hehe |
| 11:26.39 | slayerbob | s/like// |
| 11:26.46 | canllaith | hence the smears all over my face, cause she couldn't reach very well. |
| 11:26.51 | willwork4foo | Flendor: sorry, I looked away to do some WORK... Claire and I are marrying sometime next year |
| 11:26.56 | canllaith | (tiny people.) |
| 11:27.07 | canllaith | Flendor, the sun is different here in NZ. Much more poweful than over in Turkey. |
| 11:27.13 | willwork4foo | canllaith: axle grease? |
| 11:27.17 | rasput|n | suntan lotion is not usually needed here |
| 11:27.17 | canllaith | We have the depleted ozone layer and the like |
| 11:27.20 | sarah03 | I don't get sunburned very easily... when I do, though, about a week later I've got a tan. |
| 11:27.23 | canllaith | willwork4foo, yeah pretty much, except it smelled worse |
| 11:27.26 | Flendor | Oh I know, the Ozone layer and stuff ( >:D ) |
| 11:27.28 | willwork4foo | canllaith: mmmmmmmmmmmm nice |
| 11:27.36 | canllaith | Yeah, NZ is about the worst place in the world for sunburn. |
| 11:27.47 | slayerbob | nah it is the best place to get sunburn |
| 11:27.48 | canllaith | sucks a bit when you have english skin. |
| 11:27.49 | willwork4foo | canllaith: the stuff that you have to get off afterwards with a mortar scraper? |
| 11:27.53 | slayerbob | like 10 minutes in the sun and your burnt :P |
| 11:27.56 | rasput|n | canllaith: the ozone layer thing will work out in the end... the human race will evolve and we wil all be FIRE RESISTANT!!!! |
| 11:27.56 | willwork4foo | canllaith: yep. |
| 11:27.57 | slayerbob | can't beat that anywhere :D |
| 11:28.10 | canllaith | willwork4foo, heh it was like fully waterproof, I jump in the shower and all the water is beading on my skin and bouncing off |
| 11:28.17 | willwork4foo | canllaith: weirdness |
| 11:28.19 | willwork4foo | lol |
| 11:28.23 | canllaith | slayerbob, omg I cannot believe your mother |
| 11:28.27 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 11:28.30 | PhilRod | ...but I don't understand it, so I can't really help with your sunburn :-/ |
| 11:28.33 | canllaith | saying how she once burned herself so bad her tummy was BLACK |
| 11:28.38 | willwork4foo | ouchies |
| 11:28.38 | Flendor | Oh :/ |
| 11:28.41 | Flendor | :0 |
| 11:28.41 | rasput|n | gross |
| 11:28.42 | canllaith | like wow, but I believe it now I have seen her |
| 11:28.46 | slayerbob | canllaith: it is a wonder to all of us that she has not died of skin cancer |
| 11:28.50 | slayerbob | several times over |
| 11:28.50 | sarah03 | That's not burned... that's charred. |
| 11:28.52 | canllaith | she burns herself bright red |
| 11:28.59 | slayerbob | i think all the cancer cells just give up and die |
| 11:29.00 | willwork4foo | that's coal. |
| 11:29.01 | canllaith | and peels and even blisters and doesn't learn.... :\ |
| 11:29.03 | canllaith | slayerbob, lol probably |
| 11:29.14 | Flendor | She better be careful! |
| 11:29.16 | canllaith | they probably take one look at her and scream and run away. |
| 11:29.25 | willwork4foo | I am severely allergic to sunburn. I go all red and peely, and it hurts. |
| 11:29.29 | canllaith | Even skin cancer can only take so much sun. |
| 11:29.38 | canllaith | willwork4foo, ack did I show you shots of my sunburn :( :( |
| 11:29.43 | willwork4foo | yep you did. |
| 11:29.45 | willwork4foo | and I winced. |
| 11:29.47 | canllaith | yeah :( |
| 11:29.50 | canllaith | that was owwwwww |
| 11:29.53 | willwork4foo | it looked like it hurt like hell. |
| 11:29.57 | canllaith | uhuh |
| 11:30.03 | canllaith | stung so badly every time I got in the shower |
| 11:30.11 | rasput|n | do kde apps now signal kde when they have finished loading to stop the progress indicator? (bouncy icon thingy)? |
| 11:30.13 | slayerbob | and yet i had more exposure to the sun and did not burn so badly :S |
| 11:30.13 | willwork4foo | tell you what though - I'd swap your christmas weather for mine any day of the year. |
| 11:30.24 | slayerbob | must have my mum's anti-skin-cancer genes |
| 11:30.27 | canllaith | slayerbob, you have lived here all your life |
| 11:30.33 | canllaith | I haven't, I think that is the difference |
| 11:30.36 | Flendor | ..perhaps it's because my parents get anxious and talk in getting me out of the sun after 5 minutes in it :/ |
| 11:30.38 | sarah03 | Sunburn sucks... that's all I've got to say about it. |
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| 11:30.55 | rasput|n | all this talk of the sun is making me feel left out |
| 11:31.05 | willwork4foo | rasput|n: I'm in ENGLAND |
| 11:31.10 | sarah03 | rasput|n: *shrug* I can talk about fog if you want. |
| 11:31.11 | willwork4foo | I've not seen the sun for years. |
| 11:31.21 | rasput|n | sarah03: that'd b e cool |
| 11:31.24 | sarah03 | lol |
| 11:31.29 | Flendor | Why don't we talk about snow? |
| 11:31.30 | rasput|n | i almost killed myself earlier because of fog |
| 11:31.33 | willwork4foo | I look up at the sky, all I see are white and grey clouds] |
| 11:31.39 | Flendor | I love Snow! :D |
| 11:31.50 | rasput|n | snow has left a bad taste in my mouth |
| 11:32.03 | rasput|n | in a metaphorical sense |
| 11:32.03 | Flendor | I thought it was tasteless :/ |
| 11:32.09 | sarah03 | A piece of fog? I was on my way home earlier, and the fog was thick enough that at it's thinnest point, I think I had about 100ft of visibility. |
| 11:32.09 | Flendor | Oh, I see. |
| 11:32.19 | willwork4foo | so anyway - does anyone know a good KDE-based PIM synchronizing program to use with an HP Ipaq? |
| 11:32.31 | willwork4foo | and can it work over infra-red? |
| 11:32.59 | canllaith | willwork4foo, so you ditched your zaurus for an ipaq ? |
| 11:33.02 | sarah03 | I got home and my hair was all frizzy and damp. |
| 11:33.17 | slayerbob | LOL sarah03 |
| 11:33.51 | sarah03 | slayerbob: The fog was condensing on my eyelashes. It was annoying. |
| 11:33.58 | canllaith | mmm |
| 11:34.01 | canllaith | gaim has just crashed |
| 11:34.19 | slayerbob | even gaim has to have its hobbies :) |
| 11:34.20 | rasput|n | sarah03: my car is fog resistant... unlike your bike |
| 11:34.21 | canllaith | and again. |
| 11:34.30 | rasput|n | canllaith: gaim is usally very stable |
| 11:34.32 | canllaith | three times lucky |
| 11:34.47 | willwork4foo | canllaith: yep. got pissed off with poor support and woefully inadequate software. |
| 11:34.49 | rasput|n | and i can usually spell |
| 11:34.52 | Flendor | Food is here! \o/ |
| 11:34.56 | Flendor | See uyou |
| 11:34.58 | canllaith | willwork4foo, so basically you couldn't figure out how to use it? :) |
| 11:34.59 | PhilRod | haha, extract from an email I just received: "Prof. Bell Burnell is credited with the discovery of Pulsars while doing |
| 11:34.59 | PhilRod | her PhD., opening up a new branch of astrophysics - work which was recognised by the award of a Nobel Prize **to her supervisor**" (my emphasis) |
| 11:35.03 | willwork4foo | canllaith: oy! |
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| 11:35.24 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I've had this ipaq for a week, and already I've got LOADS more working on it than on that zaurus. |
| 11:35.29 | Gumby | can anyone tell me where the address book for kontact is stored? |
| 11:35.30 | canllaith | PhilRod, eheh bet she was just thrillllled. |
| 11:35.41 | willwork4foo | I don't have time to spend 3 hours trying to make a program work on the damned thing. |
| 11:35.57 | canllaith | willwork4foo, that most other people just use and are fine with? :) |
| 11:36.22 | willwork4foo | canllaith: bog off... |
| 11:36.24 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 11:36.37 | canllaith | can't say I have ever found them difficult to use :) |
| 11:36.48 | willwork4foo | canllaith: also - have you seen how gigantic those Zaurus PDAs are??? |
| 11:36.53 | canllaith | yup |
| 11:36.59 | willwork4foo | fecking hayooooge. |
| 11:36.59 | canllaith | bit bigger than my bubbypc |
| 11:37.10 | canllaith | (although bubbypc is a bit long in the tooth now poor baby) |
| 11:37.17 | willwork4foo | whilst in contrast, my ipaq Rx3715 is teeny. |
| 11:37.47 | willwork4foo | the only thing this ipaq lacks that the old one had (which is something I miss) is a CF socket. |
| 11:37.56 | willwork4foo | it's got an SD/MMC socket, but no CF socket. |
| 11:38.11 | willwork4foo | lucky I didn't buy that CF Microdrive |
| 11:38.20 | canllaith | indeed |
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| 11:38.30 | canllaith | which is a wee bit annoying since CF is so much cheaper |
| 11:38.37 | willwork4foo | yes. |
| 11:38.46 | willwork4foo | I now have to spend like £60 on a 1GB SD card. |
| 11:38.51 | willwork4foo | three times. |
| 11:39.12 | willwork4foo | (I want 3 SD cards because my PDA case has space for two more SD cards in the lid as well as one in the device.) |
| 11:39.13 | canllaith | I might go the memory stick path since I like sony cameras and pdas. |
| 11:39.28 | willwork4foo | I just like the idea of being able to tote 3GB of storage in my PDA that's smaller than my wallet. |
| 11:39.40 | canllaith | I love having basically an entire library in my pocket :) |
| 11:40.17 | willwork4foo | canllaith: I've been reading those terry pratchett books you sent me |
| 11:40.21 | willwork4foo | absolutely fantastic |
| 11:40.24 | canllaith | willwork4foo, awesome stuffs :) |
| 11:40.28 | canllaith | a few of them have the odd formatting glitch |
| 11:40.44 | willwork4foo | yah but that's no biggie |
| 11:40.49 | canllaith | yeah :) |
| 11:42.02 | canllaith | oh bother |
| 11:42.04 | canllaith | two gaim versions open |
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| 11:47.26 | Flendor | Back! :D |
| 11:47.59 | canllaith | :) |
| 11:48.13 | willwork4foo | Front! |
| 11:48.18 | Flendor | Hehe |
| 11:48.31 | Flendor | You had dinner yet, canny* |
| 11:48.32 | Flendor | ? |
| 11:49.07 | canllaith | mmm andrew is cooking toasted cheese sandwiches :) |
| 11:49.18 | Flendor | ooh, nice :) |
| 11:49.32 | slayerbob | it is the limit of my culinary skill :) |
| 11:49.44 | canllaith | lol and he has holly sitting on the kitchen bench |
| 11:49.59 | Flendor | slayer - No, can says you can cook pretty well? |
| 11:50.28 | slayerbob | Flendor: maybe compared to most people :) |
| 11:50.30 | Flendor | Or was it iron.. Hmm.. :/ |
| 11:50.45 | canllaith | He can cook reasonably ok :) |
| 11:51.06 | slayerbob | i *can* cook gourmet meals |
| 11:51.14 | slayerbob | in practice i usually do not have the attention :P |
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| 11:52.30 | sarah03 | Not having the patience to cook anything much is something I can fully relate to. |
| 11:53.09 | slayerbob | recipes ? |
| 11:53.14 | slayerbob | i just make it up as i go :) |
| 11:53.49 | sarah03 | *shrug* We don't have enough around here for me to really "make it up as I go"... |
| 11:54.31 | sarah03 | Well... technically, we do. But finding much of anything around here that doesn't contain meat is a challenge. |
| 11:55.07 | slayerbob | oh damn |
| 11:55.12 | slayerbob | i could have put salami in these |
| 11:55.12 | sarah03 | And I'm not going to spend the time to cook something that I can't eat without needing to make a call to Ralph. |
| 11:55.15 | slayerbob | forgot we had some :( |
| 11:55.27 | solaries | in which package is audiocd:/ support? |
| 11:55.36 | sarah03 | solaries: multimedia |
| 11:55.43 | canllaith | that salami wasn't very nice |
| 11:55.50 | canllaith | it tasted too processed like cheap luncheon meat |
| 11:55.53 | canllaith | so no great loss |
| 11:56.18 | slayerbob | next time i shall just get the verkerks i think |
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| 12:00.24 | canllaith | mmm |
| 12:00.24 | canllaith | what is another word for protocols |
| 12:00.24 | canllaith | PhilRod, you can probably help me out here |
| 12:02.42 | Flendor | LOL sycofly :D |
| 12:02.58 | Flendor | If I were a Christian I would seriously consider living in a temple |
| 12:03.11 | Flendor | And being a "brother". |
| 12:03.34 | willwork4foo | brb |
| 12:03.55 | sycofly | hehe |
| 12:04.56 | PhilRod | canllaith: hrm, what context? |
| 12:05.29 | Flendor | How long did you work as an altarboy? |
| 12:05.48 | Flendor | And I think you had other duties too, lighting candles, singing hymns etc. |
| 12:05.59 | sycofly | Flendor. .. I didnt .. i rebel as a child & the church |
| 12:07.35 | PhilRod | canllaith: if you mean like http or ftp, then maybe "transfer methods" or "communication somethingorothers"... :-/ |
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| 12:08.01 | ozguru | hi ,do you know how to change avatar in sim? |
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| 12:09.16 | willwork4foo | so... forgive me for being daft - but does KDE / xorg support proper transparency / translucency now? |
| 12:09.41 | willwork4foo | as in - rather than just painting the wallpaper image as the background to the app, can I see other windows beneath a transparent window now? |
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| 12:10.07 | PhilRod | yup |
| 12:10.09 | PhilRod | apt: translucency |
| 12:10.11 | apt | it has been said that translucency is http://www.kde.me.uk/index.php?page=x-6.8-xcomposite-howto |
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| 12:10.36 | PhilRod | apparently, you can set it up via KDE too, but I don't seem to have the necessary stuff here |
| 12:11.13 | willwork4foo | ah. apparently it makes the computer miserably slow. |
| 12:11.18 | willwork4foo | which is not good. |
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| 12:12.05 | physos | huh apt is back? |
| 12:12.11 | PhilRod | slayerbob: heh, my college network here has started giving out dhcp leases for 4 hours, so every four hours, my connection dies |
| 12:12.19 | PhilRod | physos: yeah, it's been here for ages |
| 12:12.40 | slayerbob | PhilRod: the stupid thing is that they do it to prevent people from running servers |
| 12:12.41 | physos | PhilRod: I forgot it never went to kde-devel when that moved ;) |
| 12:12.51 | PhilRod | (in fact, killing dhclient fixes that, and so far hasn't broken anything else) |
| 12:12.56 | slayerbob | and i have a dns set up to update pretty much instantly when our ip address here changes anyway |
| 12:13.05 | slayerbob | so in fact all they are achieving is annoying us |
| 12:13.09 | slayerbob | and probably lots of other customers |
| 12:13.21 | PhilRod | did you write to them and say that? |
| 12:13.38 | slayerbob | my technique is to ring them up and yell at them and abuse the staff |
| 12:13.46 | sarah03 | slayerbob: Ah yes, that sounds familiar. It's why I hate dialup. |
| 12:13.47 | slayerbob | has always worked in the past for big companies :) |
| 12:13.56 | PhilRod | bbl |
| 12:14.11 | sarah03 | Well, that and the shitty connection speed. |
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| 12:15.41 | willwork4foo | right. lunchtime for me. |
| 12:15.44 | dessa | mmm |
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| 12:24.13 | slayerbob | speaking of adsl, has anyone played with the bridge mode on the conexant/hasbani adsl routers ? |
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| 12:28.41 | Eloso | Tengo un problema con el korganizer. En español a ser posible. |
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| 12:31.47 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 12:33.45 | ^rob^ | i've heared there's a plugin for kde to set gnome skin - is this true? |
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| 12:36.04 | ange_ciel4477 | hi folks :) |
| 12:36.11 | ange_ciel4477 | can anyone help me please? |
| 12:36.33 | kolla | no, sorry, I dont know your mum :) |
| 12:36.41 | ange_ciel4477 | i installed freetype2 on my kde3.3 and it's really worse that the old version i have |
| 12:36.41 | yansanmo | only psychics, because they know your needs.. |
| 12:37.26 | ange_ciel4477 | lol |
| 12:37.36 | canllaith | Hey there ange_ciel4477 you STILL having problems ? |
| 12:37.42 | ange_ciel4477 | you wont dare! dady is a strong guy |
| 12:37.50 | kolla | :) |
| 12:37.55 | ange_ciel4477 | oh yes :'( canllaith |
| 12:38.09 | canllaith | lol poor thing :( you have not given up already? This is a miracle. |
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| 12:39.00 | canllaith | :) |
| 12:39.39 | ange_ciel4477 | so why this freetype2 works fine on my kde3.3.2 and not on my kde3.3? |
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| 12:39.51 | canllaith | :( I do not know |
| 12:40.14 | ange_ciel4477 | :) thanks anyway darling |
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| 12:40.58 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Did you try tweaking it a bit? |
| 12:41.11 | ange_ciel4477 | yes, the BYTECODE_... |
| 12:41.26 | ange_ciel4477 | you know that patent stuff |
| 12:42.40 | flosch | hi |
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| 12:44.00 | kolla | ange_ciel4477: when you say kde3.3 you mean.. kde3.4_beta1? |
| 12:44.27 | kolla | or is this 3.3.2 vs 3.3.0? |
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| 12:46.24 | ange_ciel4477 | back |
| 12:46.28 | ange_ciel4477 | disconnected :( |
| 12:46.37 | ange_ciel4477 | well, kolla, i really mean kde3.3 |
| 12:46.44 | ange_ciel4477 | the old version |
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| 12:48.02 | ange_ciel4477 | shouldn't i tweaked the freetype2 code? |
| 12:48.45 | ange_ciel4477 | i mean, will it be better if i haven't tweaked it? |
| 12:49.10 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Uhm, I mean your kde font settings |
| 12:50.49 | ange_ciel4477 | i played with all the possibilities |
| 12:51.02 | ange_ciel4477 | anti-aliasing and such |
| 12:51.24 | ange_ciel4477 | nothing was done, only helvetica was really eye-acceptable |
| 12:51.34 | ange_ciel4477 | the other fonts are SO ugly |
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| 12:53.18 | sredna | ange_ciel4477: Antialiased font types like type 1 or truetype usually gives better results |
| 12:54.10 | ange_ciel4477 | well, that's how it is |
| 12:54.41 | ange_ciel4477 | i like ms sans-serif (shame on me) i use it fine on my kde3.3.2 but not on my kde3.3 |
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| 13:21.19 | delmonic1 | hi there :) anyone who can suggest me a really good dark (black or dark blue) colorsheme? |
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| 13:22.31 | Flendor | WB |
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| 13:28.53 | sredna | delmonic1: http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=28 |
| 13:31.38 | delmonic1 | yeah already searching there... thought someone would have a secret tip :) |
| 13:31.43 | delmonic1 | thanks anyway |
| 13:31.51 | sredna | delmonic1: Sorry, no |
| 13:32.17 | sredna | delmonic1: But the ratings on kde-look might be helpful |
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| 13:40.15 | ange_ciel4477 | any clue for my freetype2 pb? |
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| 13:42.55 | ange_ciel4477 | got to go |
| 13:43.01 | ange_ciel4477 | bye folks |
| 13:43.03 | agiofws | i've built some kde pakages from source but some will not get compiled due to absence of some libraries ...is there any way i can update all my libraries or atleast the libraies that kde uses........? |
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| 13:45.46 | agiofws | i've built some kde pakages from source but some will not get compiled due to absence of some libraries ...is there any way i can update all my libraries or atleast the libraries that kde uses........? |
| 13:46.35 | Noldo | sounds very distrodependent stuff |
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| 13:47.03 | agiofws | Noldo: IT might be... |
| 13:47.32 | agiofws | eaxmple......to compile kdepim it says i need to have flex installed |
| 13:47.53 | agiofws | or kdewebdev i need to have libxm12.... |
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| 13:49.07 | ita | agiofws: use apt-get or urpmi or whatever to install the missing development packages |
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| 13:52.32 | sycofly | night all |
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| 13:52.41 | agiofws | ita: the thing is i would not like to use aptget on a dial-up connection...so i would like to download all the libraries on a fast connection other than the o ne in my house can i do that? |
| 13:53.09 | Noldo | agiofws: take you computer to the good connection |
| 13:53.24 | ita | agiofws: install the same distro on both computers ? |
| 13:54.55 | agiofws | ita: tha fast connection restricts me to install anything on the machine expet of the distro that is already on it like win-xp :) |
| 13:56.16 | ita | agiofws: download all distro packages you find then |
| 13:57.06 | agiofws | for the libraries... |
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| 13:58.14 | ita | annma: hi |
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| 13:58.44 | annma | hi! |
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| 14:30.31 | canllaith | stupid connection :S |
| 14:38.09 | kolla | informative website that.. matrixos |
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| 14:55.13 | Celestar | er |
| 14:55.27 | Celestar | kghostview of 3.4b1 renders pdfs rather weirdly |
| 14:55.40 | annma | use kpdf |
| 14:56.02 | annma | which is THE kde pdf viewer |
| 14:56.07 | sredna | aseigo: Kscd now plays when I insert a CD (after some time), but why doesn't it stop when I press the stop button? It just skips to the next track... |
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| 14:56.47 | annma | sredna: ah, hi! |
| 14:56.47 | Celestar | kpdf is a tad batter |
| 14:56.56 | sredna | Hi there, annma :) |
| 14:57.04 | annma | Celestar: KPdf has been quite improved |
| 14:57.05 | Celestar | but acroread looks by far the best. only it is a crappy program |
| 14:57.16 | alpeb | Hi. My panel clock has recently adopted the annoying habit of constantly changing its time zone. Anybody having the same problem? |
| 14:57.22 | annma | Celestar: please post a screenshot of your pdf in kdf |
| 14:57.26 | annma | in kpdf |
| 14:57.30 | slayerbob | alpeb: slackware ? |
| 14:57.39 | alpeb | fedora core 3 |
| 14:57.44 | annma | sredna: I seem to have lost my font change capability in Kate |
| 14:57.51 | Celestar | annma: roger |
| 14:57.56 | annma | was something done recently? |
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| 14:58.56 | alpeb | the weird thing is that the date command in shell shows the correct timezone |
| 15:00.06 | sredna | annma: Since last night maybe? |
| 15:00.07 | msingh_ | Celestar, gv? |
| 15:00.14 | annma | sredna: exactly |
| 15:00.25 | annma | sredna: so I gather it is known |
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| 15:00.26 | sredna | annma: If you press the apply button it works, I'm about to fix kates config dialog |
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| 15:00.36 | annma | I pressed the apply |
| 15:00.43 | sredna | Really? |
| 15:00.50 | sredna | Then I need to check, thanks a lot |
| 15:00.57 | annma | and also van't the list on the left be a bit wider? |
| 15:01.02 | Celestar | I'll post screenies in a minute |
| 15:01.18 | annma | it's too small, sredna |
| 15:01.29 | annma | couln't it be wider per default? |
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| 15:02.17 | alpeb | Even more weird: I clack on the clock, then click on Adjust Date & Time, and it shows me the right time zone |
| 15:02.20 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: are you around today, lady? |
| 15:02.26 | canllaith | I certainly am |
| 15:02.44 | sredna | annma: The sidebar? It remembers the size |
| 15:02.47 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: you would be proud, I have become quite the compiling monster. |
| 15:02.55 | annma | sredna: in the config dialog |
| 15:02.58 | canllaith | :) You have completed it ? |
| 15:03.08 | annma | sredna: maybe it's because I am in fr, sredna |
| 15:03.14 | sredna | annma: Oh, well, that is a kdialogbase problem I think |
| 15:03.16 | annma | but it's not quite usable |
| 15:03.24 | Celestar | annma: here we go |
| 15:03.25 | annma | ok |
| 15:03.28 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: yes, but pipitas has helped on many things. |
| 15:03.33 | annma | sredna: thanks :) |
| 15:03.35 | canllaith | :) Still, you have done well! |
| 15:03.36 | Celestar | www.fischer.homeip.net/kghostview.jpg |
| 15:03.41 | Celestar | www.fischer.homeip.net/kpdfjpg |
| 15:03.44 | sredna | annma: Interresting. I dont' think we try to manipulate it. We just add items |
| 15:03.44 | Celestar | www.fischer.homeip.net/kpdf.jpg |
| 15:03.49 | Celestar | www.fischer.homeip.net/acroread.jpg |
| 15:04.01 | canllaith | ahhh love fish :) |
| 15:04.07 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I am tracking, now, a reason why Konsole will not compile. I was wondering if you had tips. |
| 15:04.10 | annma | sredna: I can post a screenie if you want for both the font and the dialog |
| 15:04.33 | sredna | annma: Lemme check the font right away |
| 15:05.00 | Celestar | annma: "acroread.jpg" is about how it is supposed to look |
| 15:05.13 | sredna | annma: You are right, the font does not change |
| 15:05.28 | sredna | Let me fix that first |
| 15:05.36 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: perhaps if you show me the error |
| 15:05.36 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I have looked in logs for the fail, and I then went to the specific module, and there is nothing wrong that I see. |
| 15:05.53 | annma | Celestar: so it's the color that is not right? |
| 15:05.57 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I can do that as well. |
| 15:06.03 | Celestar | annma: yeah mostly |
| 15:06.10 | Celestar | the rest looks well |
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| 15:06.38 | annma | Celestar: make as bug report and attach your pdf source please and explain what renders badly in KPDF |
| 15:06.50 | annma | it's the only way to help |
| 15:07.30 | Celestar | lets hope i can find my account :) |
| 15:07.40 | annma | Celestar: that way I can try with cvs HEAD yesterday |
| 15:07.49 | Celestar | ok |
| 15:08.00 | Celestar | note: running 3.4b1 here .. dunno how old that is |
| 15:08.22 | annma | not very old, a few weeks difference with me |
| 15:08.49 | Frost^ | I'm afraid of betas |
| 15:09.07 | Celestar | I'm not |
| 15:09.10 | annma | Frost^: that one was quite good to be honest |
| 15:09.14 | Celestar | I'm an OS developer myself |
| 15:09.19 | Frost^ | anything really innovative regarding kde 3.4? |
| 15:09.19 | annma | :)) |
| 15:09.27 | annma | look at feature plan |
| 15:09.28 | Frost^ | Celestar, nice |
| 15:09.31 | annma | lots of things |
| 15:09.39 | Celestar | Frost^: www.openttd.org |
| 15:09.39 | Frost^ | does it have a name? |
| 15:09.45 | Frost^ | checking |
| 15:09.47 | annma | otherwise people would not bother with it |
| 15:09.53 | annma | KDE 3.4 feature plan |
| 15:09.57 | annma | developer.kde.org |
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| 15:10.24 | Frost^ | Celestar, no screenshots? :) |
| 15:10.38 | Celestar | Frost^: not yet :) |
| 15:10.44 | annma | Frost^: read the dot!!!! |
| 15:10.52 | annma | dot.kde.org |
| 15:11.14 | Frost^ | thanks annma |
| 15:11.26 | annma | third news from top |
| 15:11.29 | Frost^ | I keep reading OS as operating system rather than open source |
| 15:11.50 | annma | I thought he developed an OS |
| 15:11.57 | sredna | BOOOOOM kicker |
| 15:12.02 | annma | Open SOurce does not come by OS |
| 15:12.27 | canllaith | who wants screenshots? |
| 15:12.32 | annma | sredna: it crashed? |
| 15:12.32 | slayerbob | well open source is usually oss |
| 15:12.39 | slayerbob | i guess to avoid confusion with os :) |
| 15:12.45 | canllaith | ah Frost^ http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/ < --- check that out |
| 15:12.46 | sredna | annma: Twice a day, at least :o |
| 15:12.46 | annma | sredna: this morning mine took a hell of time to paint stuff |
| 15:12.54 | annma | I thought it was empty |
| 15:13.04 | canllaith | there will be a proper page on kde.org by the beta 2 I think, to show all the new features with screenshots etc etc |
| 15:13.05 | Frost^ | that photo browsing kpart looks nice |
| 15:13.57 | annma | I liked the dot link screenshot page |
| 15:15.16 | Frost^ | wow, nice new thingies |
| 15:15.29 | Frost^ | worth the wait I suppose :) |
| 15:15.32 | canllaith | and that is the smallest percentage of them |
| 15:15.44 | canllaith | there are so many more (I should have a list soon) |
| 15:15.51 | Frost^ | canllaith, I'm probably getting a new machine soon |
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| 15:16.06 | Frost^ | so I'll be able to use *all* of the eyecandy too :)) |
| 15:16.52 | Frost^ | by the way - a p4 3.2ghz prescot 1mb cache or an amd athlon 64 2800+? |
| 15:16.59 | canllaith | hmmm |
| 15:17.03 | Frost^ | which should I pick |
| 15:17.07 | canllaith | I would be inclined to grab the p4 myself |
| 15:17.10 | canllaith | but I have a bias towards intel |
| 15:17.19 | Frost^ | really? why's that? |
| 15:17.33 | Frost^ | this p3 is 6 years old and works like a charm |
| 15:17.43 | canllaith | intel processors on intel motherboards is rock solid stability |
| 15:17.46 | Frost^ | oh, the p4 is also HT |
| 15:18.05 | slayerbob | i would go for the athlon64 myself :) |
| 15:18.08 | Frost^ | hmm I think I got an intel mobo on this one |
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| 15:18.18 | Frost^ | not sure about the one I'm gonna buy yet |
| 15:18.31 | canllaith | Well, we' re being predictable at any rate |
| 15:18.46 | canllaith | I have a pentium III notebook and a celeron desktop, slayerbob has a pentium 4 notebook and an athlon xp desktop |
| 15:19.09 | Frost^ | sweet machinery you people have |
| 15:19.10 | Frost^ | :) |
| 15:19.24 | canllaith | lol oh gosh, we have lots more |
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| 15:19.27 | canllaith | most celerons though |
| 15:19.38 | canllaith | or pentium III/II rather than very fast |
| 15:19.41 | Frost^ | I wonder what's that 1mb cache is like |
| 15:19.58 | canllaith | heh |
| 15:20.08 | Julianyus | hi |
| 15:20.10 | canllaith | hopefully I will get a HT p4 processor to put in my celerons motherboard soon |
| 15:20.12 | Celestar | annma: that helpful? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97799 |
| 15:20.52 | Frost^ | is kontacy like evolution by the way? |
| 15:21.07 | Frost^ | kontact* |
| 15:21.17 | canllaith | Frost^: kinda |
| 15:21.22 | annma | Celestar: finding an open pdf pic would have been nice |
| 15:21.24 | canllaith | it serves a similar purpose |
| 15:21.32 | canllaith | but kontact has afaik more feasture |
| 15:21.34 | annma | Celestar: did you notice it on other pdfs? |
| 15:21.35 | canllaith | features* darnit |
| 15:21.47 | Celestar | annma: not really |
| 15:21.52 | Frost^ | looks like a frontend to several kde apps |
| 15:21.55 | Celestar | annma: tho I hardly use picture-pdfs |
| 15:21.58 | annma | do you use it often? |
| 15:21.59 | canllaith | Frost^: it is, it is a meta application |
| 15:22.05 | annma | Celestar: hmmm |
| 15:22.16 | annma | Celestar: maybe it's the pdf fault |
| 15:22.23 | Celestar | annma: I'll try to find out |
| 15:22.25 | canllaith | Frost^: but trust me, it is MUCH nicer than running seperately Kmail/Knotes/Kaddressbook/Korganizer/... you get the picture |
| 15:22.31 | sredna | Hm, kicker crashed again :( |
| 15:22.33 | canllaith | no room left on your screen if you run them all seperately =p |
| 15:22.36 | canllaith | sredna: oh no :( bad kicker |
| 15:22.41 | annma | Celestar: yes because bugs reports should be quite accurate |
| 15:22.48 | Frost^ | canllaith, do you use it yourself? |
| 15:22.55 | annma | Celestar: it's such a pain for devels to go through them all |
| 15:23.18 | Celestar | annma: I know :( |
| 15:23.18 | canllaith | Frost^: I do, that screenshot of Kontact is my actual one I use under my user account |
| 15:23.18 | Celestar | annma: I have 50 bugs in front of me I'd like to fix |
| 15:23.18 | canllaith | Frost^: just with a few personal to-dos/accounts hidden........ |
| 15:23.25 | Frost^ | ah I see |
| 15:23.27 | annma | I tried to close some today but quite often the reported does not bother to answer any question |
| 15:23.33 | Celestar | annma: rather helpful are these "it doesn't work ("at all|like it should|like I want it") bugs |
| 15:23.37 | annma | Celestar: in what app? |
| 15:23.49 | Celestar | non-kde related :) |
| 15:23.52 | Frost^ | I normally just use kmail |
| 15:24.23 | Frost^ | and I have knotes running all the time in the background |
| 15:24.23 | canllaith | I am trying to be organised |
| 15:24.23 | canllaith | and write down to do notes for kde related things |
| 15:24.23 | Celestar | annma: openttd |
| 15:24.24 | canllaith | and BTL related things else I start to forget |
| 15:24.41 | Celestar | annma http://sourceforge.net/projects/openttd |
| 15:25.02 | annma | ok, I have no time to have a look at it anyway |
| 15:25.29 | annma | I have to go |
| 15:25.33 | Celestar | have fun |
| 15:25.42 | annma | bbl, bye all |
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| 15:25.50 | sredna | ... bye, animatus |
| 15:25.55 | sredna | Ehm |
| 15:26.09 | Frost^ | looks really nice |
| 15:26.28 | Frost^ | how's the translucency in kwin? |
| 15:26.34 | Frost^ | does it feel slow or anything? |
| 15:27.04 | canllaith | doesn' t feel too bad on my fx5200 128mb |
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| 15:27.14 | canllaith | as you'd bloody hope |
| 15:27.28 | Celestar | YAY |
| 15:27.33 | Celestar | lufthansa.com gives me 1.8kb/sec |
| 15:27.34 | Celestar | :/ |
| 15:27.46 | Frost^ | canllaith, on your celeron? |
| 15:27.56 | canllaith | Frost^: yup celeron 2.4GHz/1024MB |
| 15:28.08 | Frost^ | wow, that's a lot |
| 15:28.29 | Frost^ | I would have taken 1024mb ram myself if it wasn't so expensive :\ |
| 15:28.32 | canllaith | I use that machine for compiles, photoshopping and gaming |
| 15:28.40 | canllaith | and running vmware machines |
| 15:28.47 | canllaith | he wants to be a real p4 when he grows up ;) |
| 15:28.53 | Frost^ | hehe |
| 15:29.16 | Celestar | hm... |
| 15:29.19 | canllaith | it was expensive (that ram) but I got it all at once for doing some design work for someone |
| 15:29.21 | Frost^ | having 1024mb ram is 150$ extra |
| 15:29.25 | Celestar | my problem really seems to be specific to that one pdf |
| 15:29.26 | Frost^ | that's a lot here :\ |
| 15:29.27 | canllaith | paid for motherboard/processor/512MB ram |
| 15:29.32 | canllaith | then I added more later |
| 15:29.40 | Frost^ | ah I see |
| 15:29.52 | Frost^ | well I'm doing a package deal, I know nothing about hardware |
| 15:30.06 | canllaith | ah, my partner and I run a computer consultancy |
| 15:30.09 | Frost^ | especially about motherboards, I hope I won't get screwed |
| 15:30.10 | canllaith | so I built my own |
| 15:30.43 | canllaith | he does the processors though, I am always scared I will break them :P |
| 15:30.52 | Frost^ | hehe |
| 15:31.05 | Frost^ | I don't know which parts to pick :) |
| 15:31.26 | Frost^ | how critical is a good motherboard, really? |
| 15:31.37 | canllaith | extremely |
| 15:31.41 | canllaith | think of it as the backbone of your system |
| 15:31.47 | canllaith | if you have a bad motherboard it will cripple every part |
| 15:32.10 | Frost^ | how do you know which motherboard to pick? |
| 15:32.27 | canllaith | we use asus & genuine intel only |
| 15:32.37 | canllaith | expensive, but good quality |
| 15:32.59 | Frost^ | so a good firm will be enough or should I dig in model numbers and such as well? |
| 15:34.03 | Frost^ | sorry for the annoying questions, just want to be sure what to get |
| 15:34.15 | canllaith | it really depends what you are getting. Usually to go for a good brand is sufficient |
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| 15:34.32 | canllaith | bbl, making soup =p |
| 15:34.39 | Frost^ | good luck :) |
| 15:34.43 | Frost^ | thanks for your help |
| 15:34.52 | canllaith | yw |
| 15:35.06 | canllaith | garlic... chicken... spring onion.... creamed corn... this will be a nice soup ;) |
| 15:35.38 | Frost^ | I like tomato soup |
| 15:35.51 | Frost^ | although I overdo it recently |
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| 16:43.09 | hallucinogen | hi |
| 16:43.51 | hallucinogen | my xorg.conf is set up to use resolution 1024x768, yet kdm when it startx, goes to 1600x1200 |
| 16:44.24 | hallucinogen | what can i do to make it use whatever i have in xorg.conf?/ |
| 16:45.06 | Skiver | there's this Screen Resize & Rotate |
| 16:45.16 | Skiver | u can try setting in there once |
| 16:45.24 | Skiver | Kde should remember it |
| 16:45.40 | Skiver | it's in your Kmenu |
| 16:45.48 | hallucinogen | i did, but kdm still goes to 1600x1200 |
| 16:49.54 | canllaith | hallucinogen: kdm will not do a resolution that is not in your xorg.conf |
| 16:50.02 | canllaith | so I suggest you doublecheck your config file :) |
| 16:50.06 | canllaith | because that is where kdm reads it from. |
| 16:53.07 | hallucinogen | well, believe it or not.. in my xorg.config i only have one mode set, and that is 1024x768.. |
| 16:53.16 | hallucinogen | xorg.conf* |
| 16:53.28 | canllaith | I'm afraid I don't believe it. |
| 16:53.40 | hallucinogen | lol |
| 16:53.46 | canllaith | There is nothing in KDE that can set a mode that is not a valid mode to X |
| 16:54.26 | lauri | well it *can* but it times out after 15 seconds if you don't click to accept it |
| 16:54.41 | canllaith | Well it can go down |
| 16:54.53 | canllaith | I have not found anything in the source code that indicates that it would go up, but I haven' t examined kdm |
| 16:55.13 | lauri | but you're right, kdm won't set a resolution that isn't available in xorg.conf (nor will xrandr/krandr) |
| 16:55.26 | canllaith | k :) |
| 16:55.59 | hallucinogen | my monitor supports 1600x1200, doesn't bother me, but 1) it is using 60Hz refresh, when my monitor can do much better 2)it's not for me, it's for a friend |
| 16:56.16 | hallucinogen | who's monitor can't |
| 16:56.46 | Skiver | hallucinogen : u gotta set the horizontalsync and verticalrefresh in xorg.conf |
| 16:57.00 | lauri | then you must have it set up in xorg.conf to do so (which is odd, usually DDC/EDIC stops you going too high, and most monitors lie like politicians about how high they can go, and *under* report themselves by quite a bit) |
| 16:57.02 | Skiver | google for the model |
| 16:57.16 | Skiver | u'll get alot of reviews with its specs |
| 16:57.17 | Frost^ | hallucinogen, are you sure one mode is set and for the correct color depth? |
| 16:57.34 | lauri | no, you don't, DDC will report that and the refresh rate quite reliably, it's the X by Y that they underreport |
| 16:57.37 | hallucinogen | and 3) and most important, it disables DRI at that resolution because there's not enough video memory for it |
| 16:57.43 | hallucinogen | Frost^: yes |
| 16:57.57 | Frost^ | well, that's weird |
| 16:58.03 | hallucinogen | i will paste imediately my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log somewhere |
| 16:59.53 | hallucinogen | this is xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/232878 |
| 17:00.41 | lauri | Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true" |
| 17:00.41 | lauri | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.41 | lauri | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.51 | lauri | those conflict, I don't know if the first one wins, or the last one wins |
| 17:01.03 | canllaith | Yes |
| 17:01.08 | canllaith | if you want to use such a low res |
| 17:01.11 | lauri | (EDID is the same thing as DDC, it's "ask the monitor") |
| 17:01.15 | canllaith | and set by hand |
| 17:01.27 | lauri | (and uncomment those dimensions, so you get the dpi set correctly :) |
| 17:01.28 | canllaith | I would recommend that you remove any references to EDID from this file |
| 17:01.45 | lauri | and turn on the NoDDC option from the card options (it's there but commented out) |
| 17:01.57 | hallucinogen | ok |
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| 17:02.08 | Royalbuds | how can i use a different windowmanager for kde? |
| 17:02.21 | lauri | setenv KDEWM different-windowmanager; startx |
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| 17:08.51 | hallucinogen | kdm still uses 1600x1200 |
| 17:09.56 | hallucinogen | i commented Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true" |
| 17:10.27 | hallucinogen | and set Option "NoDDC" "true" in device section |
| 17:14.34 | canllaith | Are you sure it is using xorg.conf |
| 17:15.20 | canllaith | Renze grrrr |
| 17:15.44 | Renze | got sick of staring at the ceiling |
| 17:15.57 | canllaith | ah sod I booted hal into windows |
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| 17:17.46 | moox | Hi ! since yesterday, KDE bugs with all kde programs... I don't find the error, can you help me to solve this ? |
| 17:20.12 | moox | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DHIUyg34.html for thoses who wants to help me |
| 17:20.37 | lauri | moox: did you change icon theme yesterday? |
| 17:21.12 | moox | lauri : yes ! |
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| 17:21.27 | moox | lauri : How do you know that ? |
| 17:21.51 | lauri | did you pick an SVG icon theme? |
| 17:22.27 | moox | lauri, it was "nuvola" |
| 17:22.33 | lauri | moox: there's some versions of one of the libs that helps do svg icons, that is *really* crashy, I'm just guessing, since your crashes seem to be in the theme engine |
| 17:22.34 | lauri | hmm |
| 17:22.44 | lauri | nuvola is not svg icons, i think |
| 17:22.49 | canllaith | No, it is png |
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| 17:23.12 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 17:23.19 | lauri | well darn, I thought I was onto it (reinhardt makes my machine go nuts, which is a pity, because I love and adore it and don't want to spend 18 hours in sodipodi generating png's for it) |
| 17:23.20 | moox | lauri, do you have an idea to solve my problem ? Should I try another icon theme ? |
| 17:23.37 | canllaith | oh really? Reinhardt works great here heh |
| 17:23.41 | lauri | you could definitely try setting it back to whatever you had before, and see if the problem stops |
| 17:23.45 | lauri | canllaith: it works ok on my laptop too |
| 17:23.53 | canllaith | how strange |
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| 17:24.04 | canllaith | I love these weird bizzare heisenbugs that seem to have no rhyme or reason |
| 17:24.09 | lauri | and nobody knows why, we think it's libart_lgpgl2, but everyone blames everyone else for it |
| 17:24.11 | moox | lauri, yes but I did a lot of things yesterday... |
| 17:24.31 | moox | kde crashes with all users on my system |
| 17:24.34 | lauri | moox: ok, start there - if the crashes go away, it was that. If not, set it back to nuvola, and undo something else you did yesterday |
| 17:24.44 | lauri | moox: even a brand new user? |
| 17:25.17 | moox | lauri, I don't know, I'm trying... |
| 17:25.29 | lauri | canllaith: I guess it'll shake out eventually, it might even be video card driver related, who knows, whatever it is, it makes me mad |
| 17:25.42 | canllaith | heh I bet |
| 17:26.28 | moox | I'll be back after tries. thanks guys |
| 17:26.43 | lauri | might be kdm themes |
| 17:27.02 | illogic-al | oooh. |
| 17:27.05 | moox | oh I made new device desktop shortcut too (using udev) |
| 17:27.06 | illogic-al | i like kdm themes. |
| 17:27.10 | illogic-al | they are the nifty |
| 17:27.12 | lauri | if it's every user (can't think what else would affect everyone at once that might be theme related, and that crash looks like it might be) |
| 17:27.46 | moox | I'm trying with a fresh user |
| 17:28.19 | canllaith | heh krew |
| 17:28.23 | canllaith | cuteness! |
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| 17:28.41 | kwame | hi |
| 17:28.49 | illogic-al | 'lo kwame |
| 17:28.56 | Flendor | Hello illogic-al |
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| 17:29.02 | illogic-al | Flendor! |
| 17:29.07 | kwame | Is there a way of making konole tell me in the tabs the user@host instead of "shell" and "shell No. 1" etc etc etc? |
| 17:29.08 | Flendor | Well you forgot me :P |
| 17:29.09 | kwame | heu illogic-al |
| 17:29.13 | kwame | hey illogic-al :) |
| 17:29.18 | canllaith | kwame: yeah just double click on them and rename them? |
| 17:29.31 | illogic-al | Flendor, didn't see you hiding down there in the nicklist :-) |
| 17:29.32 | StevenR | kwame: or setup something in your bashrc |
| 17:29.37 | Flendor | :D |
| 17:29.41 | Flendor | How's it going, illogic-al? |
| 17:30.04 | illogic-al | good actually. considering that i'm using windows again. |
| 17:30.07 | kwame | canllaith: every time I open konsole? nah, that is too painful |
| 17:30.19 | canllaith | every time I open konsole, I type into it. |
| 17:30.19 | StevenR | kwame: it can be setup in your bashrc |
| 17:30.23 | kwame | StevenR: what should I set up in there? |
| 17:30.24 | illogic-al | kwame, try StevenR's suggestion then. |
| 17:30.28 | canllaith | So to type one more line doesn't bother me |
| 17:30.34 | canllaith | although I am open to more suggestions |
| 17:30.35 | StevenR | kwame: dunno, it's not working for me. |
| 17:30.42 | kwame | StevenR: ha! |
| 17:30.45 | illogic-al | lol |
| 17:30.57 | StevenR | kwame: i lost my bashrc a while back |
| 17:31.07 | StevenR | this version doesn't have it |
| 17:31.11 | kwame | StevenR: so, you had it like that and now it's gone |
| 17:31.25 | canllaith | have you read the konsole handbook? |
| 17:31.30 | kwame | I have fedora core 3 ... and I installed KDE with the kde-redhat.sf.net project |
| 17:31.44 | StevenR | kwame: it can be done. I have done it. But I do not do it now, cos it's not setup at the moment. |
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| 17:33.56 | illogic-al | hum. i better get ready to go see that professor. |
| 17:34.39 | PhilRod | kwame: if it's not in the konsole handbook, and you work out how to do it, please consider writing it up to be included there |
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| 17:34.50 | illogic-al | nothing like having a professor %Sdo%S help you w/ your homework. |
| 17:35.03 | PhilRod | kwame: you can get more info in #kde-docs |
| 17:35.03 | illogic-al | nothing like having a professor %Sdo%S help you w/ your homework. |
| 17:35.19 | illogic-al | bah. it doesn't work in xchat! |
| 17:35.40 | kwame | PhilRod: thnaks |
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| 17:36.28 | Flendor | kompass, perhaps? |
| 17:36.30 | canllaith | heh konsole can't be as scary a journey as some of them |
| 17:36.32 | canllaith | and yes, kompass ;) |
| 17:36.53 | mOoX | Back. The previous bug does not appear with a new user. But before, I tried to remove my .kde and the problem was still there |
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| 17:38.18 | Flendor | I know I can stop the pain, if I will it all away...if I will it all away.. |
| 17:39.27 | canllaith | mOoX: KDE also stores some settings in .local and .config |
| 17:39.34 | canllaith | although these I cannot see causing the same problems |
| 17:39.42 | canllaith | there is also /tmp which contains some sockets/lockfiles |
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| 17:42.07 | mOoX | ok, creating the new user seems repair this bug and there is no more crash in old users' sessions but, I have a white box which says that "kdeinit" is not found. What is this ? |
| 17:42.58 | lauri | but it starts anyway? |
| 17:43.10 | canllaith | mmm |
| 17:43.16 | canllaith | what is a keytab in the context of konsole? |
| 17:43.25 | canllaith | the possible values for them are default, linux, vt100 .. etc |
| 17:43.28 | lauri | my laptop does that for one user, I am too lazy to figure out what is wrong (and kdeinit clearly starts correctly, so it's quite bogus) |
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| 17:43.33 | mOoX | Could not start kdeinit. Check you configuration |
| 17:43.36 | lauri | canllaith: keyboard map |
| 17:43.40 | canllaith | ahhh ok :) |
| 17:44.08 | lauri | well, sort of, it's like does backspace key send a delete-before-character or a ^H or whatever |
| 17:44.13 | canllaith | gotcha |
| 17:44.14 | mOoX | lauri: yes, it starts |
| 17:46.37 | StevenR | kwame: try this in a terminal, assuming you use bash: PS1='\u@\h:\w\$\[\033]0;\w\007\]' |
| 17:47.14 | mOoX | kdeinit's bug is for all of my users |
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| 17:48.38 | kwame | StevenR: but that will change the prompt .. no? |
| 17:49.09 | StevenR | kwame: yes...but you can fix that...by doing echo $PS1 first |
| 17:49.18 | StevenR | then you can modify my string |
| 17:49.58 | StevenR | kwame: hmmm.. maybe not quite what you want |
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| 17:50.52 | StevenR | bbl.... food |
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| 17:56.03 | Skiver | sleep |
| 17:56.06 | Skiver | bye people |
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| 18:10.34 | paines | hi. i can execute programs in konsole from my ~/bin directory. but from "application starter" (alt+f2) this doesn't work. can I cahnge the search path for ther starter ? |
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| 18:12.35 | drzed | hi! |
| 18:13.44 | drzed | just a little kicker question: ist it possible not to have two programs above each other without having switch the kicker size to small? |
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| 18:31.37 | StevenR | paines: where do you add ~/bin to your path? |
| 18:32.00 | paines | StevenR: to .bashrc |
| 18:32.28 | StevenR | paines: well you see the app starter isn't bash, now is it. try ~/.profile |
| 18:32.47 | StevenR | paines: you may have to restart kde |
| 18:32.56 | paines | i.c. |
| 18:33.14 | paines | since when is that ? never heard anything about .profile |
| 18:33.15 | StevenR | afaik kde reads ~/.profile on startup |
| 18:33.39 | StevenR | paines: profile is more general than bashrc...seeing as bashrc is only for bash |
| 18:33.42 | paines | StevenR: okay. i will try it. thank you very much |
| 18:33.45 | StevenR | np |
| 18:34.24 | paines | bye |
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| 18:40.33 | nutshell42 | how can I kill the sidebar media player? I dragged a stream-url on it which didn't work (not surprised) and now konqueror is blocked and everything slowed down to a crawl (somewhat surprised but not too much =). I'd prefer solutions that don't include killing konqueror =) |
| 18:41.27 | drzed | nutshell42: have a look at top an kill the process eating up your cpu |
| 18:41.48 | nutshell42 | there is none |
| 18:41.53 | nutshell42 | the system runs fine |
| 18:41.56 | nutshell42 | just kde is slow |
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| 18:46.25 | nutshell42 | whoever wrote the sidebar media player with the goal of punishing internet streaming was thorough. I've killed the konqueror but trying to import the crash sessions in kbookmarks or accessing them in the tools menu freezes kde too |
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| 18:48.09 | apokryphos | Hi everyone; anyone here can help with an ftp problem? |
| 18:48.31 | apokryphos | occurs both with konqueror ftp and gftp |
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| 18:49.35 | Borg^Queen | hey people what's the command to get your ip addy?> |
| 18:49.42 | canllaith | ifconfig |
| 18:49.58 | canllaith | then you want the inetaddr not for lo but the other one (ppp0 in your case I think) |
| 18:50.03 | Borg^Queen | DOH, yeah but I'm not root |
| 18:50.13 | Renze | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 18:50.13 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.17 | Renze | snap! |
| 18:50.24 | canllaith | indeed |
| 18:50.30 | Renze | ow! |
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| 18:52.29 | Borg^Queen | I like the rattling noise Renze makes when I hit him on the head |
| 18:53.03 | Renze | sawdust doesn't rattle |
| 18:53.20 | canllaith | LOL |
| 18:53.54 | Borg^Queen | Well you have a couple walnuts in there. |
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| 18:54.31 | Renze | no, they're lower |
| 18:54.38 | ^JM^ | where is set the variable $BROWSER |
| 18:54.51 | canllaith | hehehe this episode is so funny |
| 18:55.04 | Borg^Queen | Those aren't nuts |
| 18:55.12 | Borg^Queen | What episode? |
| 18:55.23 | canllaith | TNG 03 |
| 18:55.25 | canllaith | ahahahaha |
| 18:55.25 | Renze | Borg^Queen: they're not? |
| 18:55.33 | canllaith | 'Data, you are fully functional aren't you?' |
| 18:55.37 | canllaith | 'Of course' |
| 18:55.41 | canllaith | 'HOW functional?' |
| 18:55.45 | Borg^Queen | Oooh my |
| 18:55.49 | Renze | ah, the sex with Tasha episode |
| 18:55.52 | canllaith | lucky Data ;) |
| 18:56.13 | canllaith | or lucky Tasha I guess, depending on your perspective. |
| 18:56.14 | Borg^Queen | Aye |
| 18:56.17 | Renze | Tasha Yar... the reason most adolescent males watched TNG at all |
| 18:56.52 | canllaith | and now troy is hitting on riker |
| 18:56.54 | canllaith | troi* |
| 18:57.12 | canllaith | who is an absolute honey in the early episodes, so I don't blame her |
| 18:57.15 | canllaith | oops andrew waking up, brb |
| 18:57.28 | Borg^Queen | canllaith: drug him again |
| 18:58.50 | Borg^Queen | With a brick |
| 18:58.56 | Borg^Queen | Is it late there? |
| 18:58.59 | canllaith | nah |
| 18:58.59 | canllaith | 8am |
| 19:01.30 | Borg^Queen | Well I must go. BBL |
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| 19:24.40 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/232961 <-- any1 with the idea what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:26.56 | ponto | redduck666: your taglib version is to old |
| 19:29.34 | redduck666 | sh!t i thought that i have 1.3.2 but i have 1.3-2 |
| 19:29.42 | redduck666 | will try to update, thanks |
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| 19:30.03 | SchopfeR | Hi |
| 19:30.31 | redduck666 | hi |
| 19:30.41 | SchopfeR | Can somebody tell me how I could have a rounded kicker like on this screenshot ? http://tecknet.org/~naps/desktop.png |
| 19:31.04 | SchopfeR | Just the name of the plugin or |
| 19:31.06 | SchopfeR | ... |
| 19:33.22 | sredna | Loks like slicker |
| 19:34.51 | nutshell42 | SchopfeR: the corners or the gradient? |
| 19:35.05 | SchopfeR | the corners ;) |
| 19:35.26 | nutshell42 | You could achieve both with a background image I'd think |
| 19:35.46 | SchopfeR | that's not a bad idea :) |
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| 19:36.09 | nutshell42 | a bit of a cheap hack though =) |
| 19:36.20 | jad_ | hi |
| 19:37.20 | jad_ | how could i add a printer from my cups server |
| 19:37.30 | sredna | Add it? |
| 19:37.40 | jad_ | kprinter doesn't show my printer during the add manager |
| 19:38.07 | jad_ | i'm french and i 'm not very good in english |
| 19:38.09 | sredna | Configure it right then :=) |
| 19:38.22 | slim | Hey i've downloaded a new theme for kde, extracted it run configure, make , make install. Now am in the control center in the theme manager and if i want to add a theme it asks for it location. where it is ? |
| 19:38.23 | jad_ | hahaha anithing much funny |
| 19:38.47 | sredna | slim: There are naming issuues with 'theme' |
| 19:39.19 | slim | yep but where in the dir where i've extracted it ? |
| 19:39.38 | nutshell42 | jad_: do you want to add a remote printer or local? |
| 19:39.44 | sredna | slim: If you had to configure, build and install it it is either a widget style, a window decoration theme or both. Use the appropriate control panels to set them |
| 19:40.01 | jad_ | nutshell42> the first proposition |
| 19:40.02 | sredna | slim: If you can tell me the name, I might be able to say what it is |
| 19:40.34 | slim | sredna am sorry the name of what ? the theme ? |
| 19:40.40 | jad_ | i choose cups remote (ipp/http) |
| 19:40.45 | sredna | slim: Yes |
| 19:41.07 | nutshell42 | jad_: and then? |
| 19:41.08 | slim | sredna: crystalk |
| 19:41.11 | jad_ | then give the ip of my server and the 631 port |
| 19:41.11 | slim | sredna: crystal |
| 19:41.21 | jad_ | no login |
| 19:41.29 | sredna | slim: Icons or window decoration? |
| 19:41.39 | jad_ | and then nothing appear on the selection |
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| 19:42.04 | slim | sredna wm decoration theme |
| 19:42.09 | sredna | slim: It's likely the windows decoration I guess. In the control center, go to Appearance->window decorations |
| 19:42.36 | jad_ | it seems that kprinter doesn't test or ask the server for printers |
| 19:43.28 | slim | sredna aah ok it is only window decoaration sorry for that stupid question and thanks for the help |
| 19:43.37 | sredna | slim: Np ) |
| 19:43.40 | jad_ | nutshell42> it seems that kprinter doesn't test or ask the server for printers |
| 19:44.01 | sredna | jad_: Is cups server running on the remote host on the default port? |
| 19:44.13 | jad_ | of course |
| 19:44.25 | jad_ | ls ? |
| 19:44.35 | jad_ | ho is! |
| 19:44.47 | SchopfeR | Round borders with an image doesn't work |
| 19:44.48 | sredna | Ok |
| 19:44.49 | SchopfeR | :( |
| 19:44.57 | sredna | SchopfeR: It's called slicker |
| 19:45.12 | SchopfeR | but slicker is just a project |
| 19:45.18 | sredna | SchopfeR: Try this URL: 'apps:slicker' |
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| 19:45.50 | nutshell42 | jad_: is your local host allowed to print on the server, does the server announce its printers on the network and did you use the correct login information for the server? |
| 19:45.51 | jad_ | the wizard doesn't poll anything |
| 19:46.25 | jad_ | hum the gprinter had update the information without a doubt |
| 19:46.29 | SchopfeR | that's not slicker |
| 19:46.39 | jad_ | so why kprinter doesn't do the same |
| 19:47.06 | nutshell42 | SchopfeR: why shouldn't the image work? |
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| 19:47.43 | SchopfeR | kicker cuts the image |
| 19:47.52 | SchopfeR | and makes it very bugged |
| 19:48.21 | nutshell42 | jad_: it may not be helpful, but if your server's working properly and the url/port and login information is correct, it will work |
| 19:48.34 | nutshell42 | which distribution do you use? |
| 19:48.56 | jad_ | debian |
| 19:49.06 | nutshell42 | sid? |
| 19:49.39 | sredna | SchopfeR: Given it's ksim or gkrellm on that picture, it could just be a theme |
| 19:49.39 | nutshell42 | SchopfeR: that's strange; you could mail the user that took the picture and ask him =) |
| 19:50.29 | jad_ | of course :) |
| 19:50.31 | SchopfeR | it's a friend of me but he doesn't want to tell me how he did that... :x |
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| 19:52.19 | sredna | SchopfeR: I bet it's a gkrellm or ksim theme |
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| 19:53.12 | SchopfeR | sredna, i'm talking about the Kicker in the bottom with icons, tray and taskbar |
| 19:53.28 | sredna | SchopfeR: Sorry, then I musunderstood |
| 19:53.31 | SchopfeR | :) |
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| 19:55.42 | nutshell42 | jad_: which debian distribution do you use? sid? And have you tried to choose "other printer type" in the "add printer" dialog and entering the ipp uri directly? |
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| 19:56.08 | jad_ | wait i try |
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| 19:56.37 | mike_ain | hello everyone |
| 19:56.52 | SchopfeR | hi |
| 19:56.57 | mike_ain | how can i know if my current kde-cvs is the last one |
| 19:57.43 | fred87 | it isn't. |
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| 19:58.10 | SchopfeR | it's never :p |
| 19:58.46 | hotroot | anyone out here who can tell me if it is possible do register a script in dcop, so that the startup-notification stops? |
| 19:59.04 | sredna | mike_ain: It's as late as you can get it just after you updated |
| 19:59.20 | mike_ain | last night i did |
| 19:59.29 | annma | mike_ain: the last one is the one as of now |
| 19:59.40 | annma | there is never a latest one in fact |
| 19:59.48 | sredna | hotroot: The startup notification can be turned on/of globally or pr application |
| 20:00.02 | annma | mike_ain: look, it just changed [14:58:38] <CIA-5> grossard * kdelibs/kdoctools/customization/fr/user.entities: added translator entity |
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| 20:00.42 | mike_ain | things are moving fast |
| 20:00.43 | annma | mike_ain: to be always up-to-date you need to update again |
| 20:00.45 | hotroot | sredna i know, but I dont want to turn it of, becasuse the script can take a long time until the application appears |
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| 20:01.02 | annma | mike_ain: especially now, just before the freeze |
| 20:01.24 | sredna | hotroot: If you have a .desktop file for the script, there is a property you can set |
| 20:01.33 | mike_ain | ohh ok thanks annma |
| 20:01.57 | mike_ain | btw how do u know what's going on in the cvs |
| 20:02.12 | hotroot | sredna i know, but i want to make the script to tell dcop that the jumping cursor can be stopped |
| 20:02.24 | annma | mike_ain: because I commit |
| 20:02.47 | sredna | hotroot: Dunno |
| 20:02.56 | mike_ain | aha ok |
| 20:03.09 | sredna | mike_ain: #kde-commits |
| 20:04.23 | mike_ain | sredna: thanks :) |
| 20:04.26 | sredna | hotroot: The startup notifications are handeled by the desktop, so you'll have to look at the dcop interfaces to find something that turns it off |
| 20:05.10 | sredna | mike_ain: The perfect candidate for a scroller style irc display ;) |
| 20:05.34 | mike_ain | hehe |
| 20:05.40 | hotroot | sredna thx, I'll have a look at kdesktop's dcop-interface |
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| 20:11.57 | mike_ain | quanta doesn't have an irc #channel ? |
| 20:14.17 | illogic-al | mike_ain, aye it does |
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| 20:14.54 | mike_ain | illogic-al: and what's the name of the channel ? |
| 20:15.14 | illogic-al | #quanta |
| 20:16.03 | jarango | Why insn't LD_LIBRARY_PATH set in my KDE terminal if it is in my /etc/profile ? |
| 20:16.42 | canllaith | to get konsole to source those kinds of files you need to run it with -ls |
| 20:16.45 | canllaith | (loginshell) |
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| 20:16.58 | illogic-al | jarango, does that file get sourced (read) by the shell? |
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| 20:17.43 | mattr | hi PhilRod |
| 20:17.55 | canllaith | I know for certain that running konsole with --ls will source ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile |
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| 20:18.05 | PhilRod | hi mattr |
| 20:18.06 | canllaith | you may need to add a line to one of those sourcing the global ones. |
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| 20:18.24 | fyn | Really stupid question: How do I restart the taskbar? I clicked zealously with xkill. |
| 20:18.35 | canllaith | fyn: try alt + f2 then type in kicker |
| 20:18.49 | mattr | yeah, what canllaith said |
| 20:19.11 | fyn | canallaith: Exactly right. Thanks so much. It's called a kicker is it? Hum, good to know. |
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| 20:19.51 | Qerub | How do I reset the toolbars in Konqueror? |
| 20:20.57 | hallucinogen | i solved my xdm problem.. .was a case of adding DefaultDepth to the Screen section.. |
| 20:21.16 | hallucinogen | funny |
| 20:21.36 | hallucinogen | kdm* |
| 20:22.10 | canllaith | mattr: how goes it on the kopete front? |
| 20:22.25 | mattr | canllaith: not bad. oscar_rewrite will merge today |
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| 20:22.39 | canllaith | does that include aim as well or only icq? |
| 20:22.43 | mattr | both |
| 20:22.45 | mattr | it's the same protocol |
| 20:22.50 | canllaith | cool :) I thought so but was not sure |
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| 20:24.10 | sblantipodi | hello |
| 20:24.16 | PhilRod | mattr: is kopete development happening in some branch? I haven't noticed changes in head recently |
| 20:24.49 | sblantipodi | Is there someone here able to set refresh rate on KDE? I've just configured xorg.org with vert sync and horiz sync of my monitor. |
| 20:25.00 | mattr | PhilRod: currently, i'm really the only driving force behind kopete development ATM. All my changes are happening in a branch which will be merged back to HEAD today |
| 20:25.11 | PhilRod | ah, ok |
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| 20:25.30 | mattr | PhilRod: after that, I'll go back to more general kopete hacking since i've been working on icq and aim stuff for the last three months or so |
| 20:25.39 | sredna | sblantipodi: Requires a restart of X as far as I know |
| 20:26.32 | sblantipodi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.48 | illissius | what the fuck. |
| 20:27.53 | illissius | I insert a cdrw |
| 20:28.06 | illissius | as a result of which, my system has now been thrashing the disk for five minutes straight |
| 20:28.09 | illissius | and it's not swapping |
| 20:28.22 | sblantipodi | sredna, I do that :( No succes :( |
| 20:28.38 | illissius | and ksysguard doesn't show any process with high cpu% that might be causing it |
| 20:28.55 | sredna | sblantipodi: If you edited xorg.conf and restarted X, you did something wrong |
| 20:30.31 | mattr | illissius: high cpu does not always indicate disk thrashing |
| 20:30.36 | mattr | illissius: make sure updatedb isn't running |
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| 20:30.49 | illissius | mattr: it's not |
| 20:31.09 | mattr | illissius: strange |
| 20:31.34 | PhilRod | that's something that I'd often find useful - a way to tell what process is causing disk access |
| 20:31.38 | illissius | and I know disk thrashing != high CPU, but I'd expect it to be >0%, at least |
| 20:31.51 | illissius | and there's nothing suspicious that is |
| 20:32.02 | sblantipodi | sredna, I'm not stupid. >/ If I told you that I set correct parameter for horiz and vert. You can belive me |
| 20:32.58 | mattr | illissius: i'd guess a memory leak then somewhere. :/ |
| 20:33.19 | sredna | sblantipodi: Well, if it didn't work, something must be wrong. Kde does not decide how X decides, kdm merely starts X for you. |
| 20:33.42 | illissius | mattr: but it's not swapping... memory usage seems fairly normal, I have 286/512 free according to free -m |
| 20:33.53 | sblantipodi | sredna, What's wrong? |
| 20:34.05 | illissius | is there any way I can force the cdrw to eject other than the pin-into-tiny-hole method? |
| 20:34.28 | mattr | illissius: hmmm, not sure then. sorry i can't hel more |
| 20:34.29 | PhilRod | illissius: try the 'eject' command |
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| 20:34.31 | mattr | s/hel/help |
| 20:34.43 | sredna | sblantipodi: How would I know? |
| 20:35.41 | illissius | [21:33:00] <PhilRod> that's something that I'd often find useful - a way to tell what process is causing disk access <- concur x10 |
| 20:36.00 | [Aura]kingwanja| | had my job interview today |
| 20:36.03 | canllaith | mmm well, fuser /dev/XXX |
| 20:36.04 | illissius | so far, eject is just hanging and not doing anything noticeable |
| 20:36.11 | canllaith | but of course that is going to return stacks of pids |
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| 20:36.18 | canllaith | and not narrow it down hugely far |
| 20:36.19 | drzed | illissius: lsof $DEVICE |
| 20:36.29 | darkcmd | ok is it possible to install KDE and the KDE libraries and run KDE programs without KDE being installed? |
| 20:36.44 | illissius | woah, it just ejected |
| 20:37.04 | illissius | and the disk access light is now flashing dimly instead of brightly |
| 20:37.07 | [Aura]kingwanja| | kde programs , what do you mean |
| 20:37.09 | illissius | does that mean read vs. write, or what? |
| 20:37.24 | drzed | darkcmd: to install KDE [...] without KDE being installed? <-- ??? |
| 20:37.25 | mattr | just means less disk access |
| 20:37.43 | mattr | darkcmd: hmm, you can install kdelibs and run kde programs that way |
| 20:37.46 | drzed | mount $server/usr /usr ? |
| 20:37.57 | darkcmd | mattr: QT also right? |
| 20:38.17 | mattr | darkcmd: yes, you have to have Qt as well |
| 20:38.21 | darkcmd | ok |
| 20:38.24 | darkcmd | thanks :) |
| 20:38.44 | PhilRod | mattr: is this behaviour in kopete expected/a known bug?: I log in, change userX's display name (say, to "foo") (right-click->rename contact). I log out. I log in again, and userX has changed their display name (say, to "bar"). Kopete now shows userX's name as "bar", and not "foo" |
| 20:39.10 | canllaith | PhilRod: is this cvs head that's doing this? :| |
| 20:39.17 | canllaith | I haven't had problems with that since upgrading to 3.3.1 |
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| 20:39.27 | illissius | it seems to have stopped now |
| 20:39.34 | SchopfeR | i've found the solution for a rounded Kicker :) all you need is a transparent kicker and this wallpaper ;) http://kdelook.org/content/pre2/19984-2.png |
| 20:39.36 | illissius | so the cdrw was most likely the culprit |
| 20:39.40 | illissius | if only I knew why o_O |
| 20:40.13 | mattr | PhilRod: you set the name yourself and it didn't stick after reconnecting? |
| 20:40.13 | PhilRod | canllaith: hrm, I think it's been happening for a while. Let me see if I can find a friend to help me test it |
| 20:40.17 | canllaith | SchopfeR: oh that is such a cool idea. |
| 20:40.32 | canllaith | PhilRod: yeah it annoyed me to no end for aaagggges but it seems to have been fixed for me recently |
| 20:40.47 | PhilRod | mattr: it sticks if the other person doesn't change their name, but not if htey change their name |
| 20:40.51 | SchopfeR | Yes it is ;) |
| 20:41.09 | PhilRod | mattr, canllaith: wait, let me verify this, lest I waste your time |
| 20:41.15 | mattr | SchopfeR: heh, not bad. too bad it doesn't work with xinerama. ;) |
| 20:41.29 | mattr | PhilRod: let me guess, MSN? |
| 20:41.32 | SchopfeR | boah :) |
| 20:41.38 | PhilRod | mattr: yup |
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| 20:42.07 | illissius | hm, it seems to be kded accessing it |
| 20:42.20 | illissius | though it beats my why my hdd light is flashing and not the cd light... |
| 20:42.24 | mattr | illissius: probably the media ioslave |
| 20:42.30 | mattr | PhilRod: yay! </sarcasm> |
| 20:42.40 | illissius | what's the 'FD' field in lsof stand for? file descriptor? |
| 20:42.46 | mattr | PhilRod: i'd suggest filing a bug |
| 20:43.06 | canllaith | lol |
| 20:43.10 | canllaith | oh yes |
| 20:43.22 | canllaith | ty for reminding me that is why I wanted to rebuild kopete with debug |
| 20:43.26 | illissius | anyways. |
| 20:43.30 | canllaith | that stupid bloody msn remote closed thing crap |
| 20:43.37 | illissius | any idea on how to make it stop? |
| 20:43.48 | PhilRod | mattr: ok |
| 20:44.00 | illissius | I was wanting to burn a CD >_< |
| 20:44.15 | illissius | but I don't think I can just randomly kill kded without Bad Things happening |
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| 20:45.15 | mattr | illissius: you might try to find out if there's a way to keep certain ioslaves from running, but i wouldn't know where to tell you to look or ask other than maybe google or #kde-devel |
| 20:45.41 | PhilRod | mattr: ah, I just tested it, and it seems to work properly. I'll need to investigate further, I think |
| 20:46.09 | illissius | hm |
| 20:46.13 | illissius | nothing seems to have happened |
| 20:46.32 | mattr | PhilRod: okie dokie. haven't had any problems myself. also, the version makes a difference since some of the display name handling has changed between 3.3.x and 3.4.x |
| 20:46.48 | illissius | kded is no longer accessing it (obv.), but... never mind, it stopped now, just waited a few seconds to do so (the disk access) |
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| 20:47.42 | PhilRod | mattr: in fact, I had some more general problems with kde apps not saving settings when session is closed - perhaps it was that |
| 20:47.47 | Alkis | hello all, anyone has come across kdesktop not showing icons at all? (kde3.3.2 here) |
| 20:48.08 | illissius | Alkis: there's a setting in kconfig for that |
| 20:48.15 | illissius | probably have it enabled by accident |
| 20:48.29 | mattr | PhilRod: perhaps. i updated kdelibs earlier today and now kopete doesn't remember its window settings again. :/ |
| 20:48.37 | Alkis | illissius: lemme check |
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| 20:49.38 | cIclops | kde 3.3 ... how can i unlock the keyboard? only got mouse working ... |
| 20:49.43 | illissius | restarting kded restarts the disk access... weird |
| 20:49.49 | illissius | guess I'll do without it for now |
| 20:50.02 | lippel | grr, the gtk file dialog sucks big time. |
| 20:50.04 | Alkis | illissius: umm, how do I call kconfig? Is it a konqueror slave? |
| 20:50.08 | mattr | illissius: it's gotta be a kded daemon of some sort, can't remember which one at the moment |
| 20:50.17 | illissius | Alkis: no, it's the control center |
| 20:50.25 | illissius | :) |
| 20:50.31 | illissius | hm |
| 20:50.34 | illissius | in other news |
| 20:50.47 | PhilRod | cIclops: "unlock the keyboard"? how did you lock it? can you try another WM to see if it's a KDE or an X problem? |
| 20:51.01 | SchopfeR | + |
| 20:51.08 | illissius | it seems kded was also the one that was constantly accessing the disk every half second (even before the cdrw thing), as that also stopped now that I killed it |
| 20:51.13 | Alkis | illissius: nope, something is broken....konqeuror doesn't come up from mini-cli |
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| 20:51.29 | Alkis | damn I broke my kde :-( |
| 20:51.49 | cIclops | PhilRod, yes kde boots automatically into user mode with the keyboard locked |
| 20:52.45 | illissius | Alkis: I share your pain. So far it seems I've managed to completely b0rkify first the kmenu, and now kded. |
| 20:53.07 | Alkis | any idea before I try the rm ~/.kde/ thing? :-( |
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| 20:53.38 | illissius | Alkis: (1) rename it instead, or (b) create a new user and try with that |
| 20:53.59 | Alkis | illissius: okie, I'll go for (1) |
| 20:54.06 | Alkis | see ya, and thanks! |
| 20:55.36 | PhilRod | illissius: you should be able to get the default kmenu back by renaming ~/.local |
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| 20:55.39 | kater | hiho |
| 20:55.48 | cIclops | how can i get a virtual console started by using the mouse only? |
| 20:56.42 | PhilRod | right-click->"log out" to get back to the console? |
| 20:58.17 | cIclops | PhilRod, phew okay ... when i go back to the console the keyboard is freed |
| 20:58.47 | kater | how can i set the fonts on the left side of the konqueror (i mean the on which loads shows up on the default profile for "filemanagment") |
| 20:59.32 | PhilRod | cIclops: what about with a different wm? |
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| 21:00.09 | cIclops | PhilRod, ok, how do i change the wm? |
| 21:01.10 | cIclops | (i've changed the system admin to stop auto login) |
| 21:01.39 | PhilRod | if you're using 'startx', modify ~/.xinitrc (create it if it doesn't exist) and put 'exec twm' in it |
| 21:01.46 | PhilRod | then run 'startx' |
| 21:02.21 | cIclops | PhilRod, using kdm in a standard boot startup |
| 21:03.12 | cIclops | PhilRod, so change the user/root .xinitrc? |
| 21:04.29 | illissius | PhilRod: that + kbuildsycoca doesn't seem to do anything. I've already removed ~/.kde/share/applnk previously; was that a mistake? |
| 21:04.35 | PhilRod | um, I think you need to change the *user's* ~/.xsession, but I'm not really familiar with kdm. Someone else might know |
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| 21:04.45 | illissius | still an empty menu |
| 21:05.56 | PhilRod | empty? you might need to set some environment variables. Let me find them |
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| 21:06.32 | PhilRod | export XDG_DATA_DIRS=$KDEDIR/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share; export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$KDEDIR/etc/xdg |
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| 21:06.58 | PhilRod | illissius: modify those to suit your own circumstances |
| 21:07.29 | cIclops | PhilRod, i have an .xsession-errors that says: QPixmap:Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used" |
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| 21:08.49 | PhilRod | cIclops: harmless error, ignore it |
| 21:10.36 | cIclops | no man page for kdm :( |
| 21:11.22 | illissius | PhilRod: still nothing :( |
| 21:11.25 | illissius | bbiam |
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| 21:12.07 | sredna | cIclops: You can view kdms manual in khelpcenter or by going to the URL 'help:/kdm' in konqueror |
| 21:12.20 | cIclops | sredna, ty |
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| 21:13.18 | lippel | heh, at first i thought someone released a new KDE browser: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9500 |
| 21:13.25 | illissius | hooray, the cdrw thing was indeed the media manager daemon |
| 21:13.30 | illissius | so at least that's "fixed" |
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| 21:16.32 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:16.44 | sycofly | hi my felloe KDEer's |
| 21:17.00 | Dhraakellian | I think |
| 21:17.04 | canllaith | It's a pretty nice little browser |
| 21:17.08 | Dhraakellian | not specifically, though |
| 21:17.17 | Dhraakellian | but the parts of it used in The OpenCD |
| 21:17.34 | Dhraakellian | so, actually, I haven't really used it much at all |
| 21:17.56 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 21:18.05 | illissius | PhilRod: what I've done is as follows: first, I moved all the default kmenu entries to submenu, and put only my most used apps at the top level. this caused all sorts of weirdness, like every app being twice in the file associations thingy. then, I first partially, then completelly, removed everything in ~/.local, ~/.kde/share/applnk, and ~/.kde/share/mimelnk, with lots of kbuildsycoca in between; there was still an 'All Programs-2' in t |
| 21:18.09 | Dhraakellian | I ought to download and try it on thursday |
| 21:18.17 | illissius | so now I have an empty menu, and kbuildsycoca doesn't rebuild it |
| 21:18.18 | canllaith | gmail works on it since it's gecko, and the mozilla flash plugin works too |
| 21:18.44 | illissius | it says: |
| 21:18.45 | illissius | kbuildsycoca: Menu Editors does not specify a directory file. |
| 21:18.49 | illissius | and the same for every menu |
| 21:19.08 | PhilRod | illissius: what about a new user? |
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| 21:20.06 | illissius | PhilRod: checking... |
| 21:20.30 | illissius | though I haven't removed anything outside my homedir (with the possible exception of the manual edit with the menu editor) so I'd be surprised |
| 21:21.18 | PhilRod | it gives us another data point, which is important |
| 21:21.22 | PhilRod | did you try the envars? |
| 21:21.35 | illissius | yes, I did what you pasted w/o modification |
| 21:21.40 | illissius | $KDEDIR is set correctly |
| 21:21.55 | PhilRod | did you run kbuildsycoca afterwards? |
| 21:21.57 | illissius | other than that I don't know whether I should have modified anything |
| 21:21.58 | illissius | yes |
| 21:22.03 | cIclops | hmm i found bug reports about keyboard lockup with kdm |
| 21:22.03 | PhilRod | ok |
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| 21:23.40 | cIclops | it happens after upgrading to 3.3 |
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| 21:24.38 | illissius | PhilRod: yep, new user has the full default menu |
| 21:25.16 | PhilRod | illissius: worth a try |
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| 21:29.05 | Dhraakellian | su:kdesu::sudo:? |
| 21:32.14 | Dhraakellian | or is there any sudo equivalent of kdesu? |
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| 21:33.16 | illissius | PhilRod: didn't work either |
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| 21:43.15 | illissius | a-ha! |
| 21:43.33 | illissius | I had to remove ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 21:43.58 | illissius | it now works, thank f. god |
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| 21:48.54 | PhilRod | hrm, the K menu looks like a complicated beast. One day I'll have to corner someone who understands how it works, and get them to explain it to me so I can write it up somewhere |
| 21:49.22 | illissius | indeed |
| 21:49.48 | aseigo | PhilRod: what aspect of it? |
| 21:50.00 | PhilRod | aseigo: where it gets its entries from |
| 21:50.12 | canllaith | sometimes I think you lurk aseigo just to pop up at inopportune times. |
| 21:50.20 | canllaith | or, opportune times as the case may be |
| 21:50.47 | PhilRod | there seem to be lots of users here who've messed it up, and they/I don't know what config files to move/delete to fix it up |
| 21:50.47 | illissius | aseigo: like how moving everything into a submenu causes (a) apps in the file associations thingy be shown twice, and (b) new apps to not get a menu item |
| 21:50.50 | cIclops | PhilRod, finally fixed that keyboard lockup problem! thanks to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=266106 (changed kdmrc) |
| 21:50.51 | aseigo | PhilRod: from .desktop files ... which are organized using xml files... |
| 21:51.02 | aseigo | PhilRod: both of which are freedesktop.org standards. |
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| 21:51.35 | aseigo | PhilRod: you can get the docs from freedesktop.org |
| 21:51.50 | PhilRod | ah, thanks - will I be able to get the whole picture from there? |
| 21:51.50 | aseigo | canllaith: i just use the force ... this way i know when i must be here =P |
| 21:51.56 | aseigo | PhilRod: yes |
| 21:51.58 | illissius | maybe we should just copy from winderz and move the current kmenu into a 'programs' submenu, and let users have a completely custom menu section besides that |
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| 21:52.06 | canllaith | ;) I see. Letting life lurk you. I like it. |
| 21:52.07 | aseigo | PhilRod: the menu standard is the most important one |
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| 21:52.31 | illissius | harder to borkify that way |
| 21:52.35 | aseigo | canllaith: yes. it's a new technique currently still in R&D, but i plan on getting a process patent on it and then making a fucking killing off it |
| 21:52.58 | canllaith | heh fantastic. Can I beta test? |
| 21:53.01 | PhilRod | decisions, decisions - uni work or doc writing?... |
| 21:53.11 | aseigo | illissius: and by "completely custom" you mean "set up by someone with a clue" which isn't synonymous with "most users" =) |
| 21:53.28 | aseigo | illissius: leaving us with a way to set that menu up.. and what it should look like, exactly... and how it should work... |
| 21:53.32 | Dhraakellian | "In Aseigo Canada, LIFE lurks YOU?" |
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| 21:53.58 | illissius | PhilRod: as a compromise, procrastinate instead. |
| 21:54.16 | aseigo | illissius: a long time ago i actually put together a design for an adaptable task based menu .. there's even some code for it in CVS... just never finished it as i got interupted by the FD.o standards getting implemented and never got back to it |
| 21:54.26 | aseigo | Dhraakellian: in soviet canuckistan |
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| 21:54.53 | illissius | aseigo: define 'adaptable task based menu' |
| 21:55.16 | PhilRod | illissius: ah, so you're familiar with my normal pattern then... :-) |
| 21:56.09 | aseigo | task-based: the menu consists of groups of tasks, e.g. Create Document -> Word Processing, Spreadsheet, etc...... |
| 21:56.19 | illissius | PhilRod: it seems our normal patterns have much in common :) |
| 21:56.25 | aseigo | each entry then has one or more possible entries associated with it... |
| 21:56.37 | aseigo | e.g. Word Processing could have KWord, OOo Writer, Abiword, etc... |
| 21:56.52 | aseigo | based on system availability and user preference _one_ of them is launched |
| 21:57.01 | aseigo | allowing for the same menu on differently installed systems |
| 21:57.09 | illissius | hm |
| 21:57.21 | aseigo | you can then show / hide individual groups of tasks |
| 21:57.30 | aseigo | so if you are in the office you might use the "office set" ... |
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| 21:58.19 | aseigo | basically, it's a way to map between usage patterns and the actual applications available... where both "usage pattern" and "applications available" are variable |
| 21:58.21 | illissius | all I was suggesting, though, is to move the fd.o standardized menu away somewhere safe and give users something else they can modify as they want, as modifying the fd.o one seems to cause, problems. |
| 21:58.42 | aseigo | what sort of problems, exactly? |
| 21:58.45 | illissius | or just desuckify the standard |
| 21:59.07 | aseigo | i don't think that's how to fix bugs |
| 21:59.11 | aseigo | brb... losing screen momentarily |
| 21:59.28 | canllaith | a lot of people lately have been complaining of things like ending up with empty menus, or managing to completely break their menu using the kmenueditor tool |
| 21:59.38 | illissius | well, why the kmenu and the file associations kcontrol module are at all related, I cannot fathom |
| 21:59.56 | canllaith | Well... it makes sense to me |
| 22:00.07 | canllaith | add an app to kmenu, have it availible in muiltiple dialogs all over KDE |
| 22:00.19 | illissius | basically, KDE seems to rely on the kmenu in a lot o fplaces to extract information from it (eg. programs:/), which can get borked a bit if the user modifies it in a bad way |
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| 22:01.17 | xerxes1358 | Anyone here uses Apple like icons ? |
| 22:01.19 | illissius | canllaith: thing is, I think 'apps that are installed on the system and KDE knows about', and 'apps that are shown in the kmenu' should be completely seperate things |
| 22:01.34 | canllaith | wow, programs:/ I never knew about that! |
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| 22:02.13 | canllaith | illissius: theoretically, borking your menu should be a simple case of removing your kmenuedit menu file and the system settings are restored |
| 22:02.16 | illissius | canllaith: it's fairly new iirc |
| 22:02.16 | NeUtr0N | whatdoes programs:/ shows in the manager |
| 22:02.23 | NeUtr0N | program installed on thesystem ? |
| 22:02.27 | canllaith | it is definitely bad behaviour that yours was so intractable |
| 22:02.35 | MakenToO | Hello, whenever i log-out of kde (as root), kdm crashes & takes me back to command line... I'm using KDE 3.3.2 & Xorg 6.8.0. Why is this happening, any solution?... thnx |
| 22:03.01 | illissius | canllaith: yes, but borking your menu shouldn't be easily possible, and even then it shouldn't have an effect on anything else |
| 22:03.17 | canllaith | illissius: oh definitely agreed, bugs in the current standard need to be fixed |
| 22:03.19 | NeUtr0N | MakenToO: what is kdm.log |
| 22:03.24 | NeUtr0N | telling you |
| 22:03.55 | canllaith | but what you're suggesting is taking some of the control over the menu and file associations system away from the user |
| 22:04.06 | canllaith | and I don't believe this is a very good path to take |
| 22:04.14 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N, i can paste it in #paste, if u want, it just says Fatal server error: |
| 22:04.15 | MakenToO | Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 22:04.23 | canllaith | (although kmenuedit is sorely needing a "HELP I BROKE MY MENU REVERT ME TO DEFAULTS" button) |
| 22:04.31 | canllaith | cause it is damn easy to break. |
| 22:04.46 | illissius | [23:05:22] <canllaith> but what you're suggesting is taking some of the control over the menu and file associations system away from the user <- hmm, how so? |
| 22:04.47 | NeUtr0N | MakenToO okz do that |
| 22:04.51 | canllaith | short term, and fixing so it doesn't break at all long term |
| 22:04.54 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N, ok |
| 22:05.09 | illissius | I'm just suggesting to decouple the two |
| 22:05.10 | canllaith | illissius: well you're wanting to make it so that 'apps kde knows about' and user configurable menu are seperate things |
| 22:05.10 | yansanmo | canllaith: or "Undo" |
| 22:05.21 | canllaith | and also making it so that users can't break the former |
| 22:05.25 | PhilRod | canllaith, illissius: another part of the problem is a lack of end-user-visible documentation (specs are complete, but not for end-users) |
| 22:05.41 | illissius | letting the user freely modify the menu, and then having various things rely on the menu not being too severely modified, is a bad plan |
| 22:05.41 | canllaith | to be honest, I would like to have enough control over it that I could do what I wanted to it. |
| 22:05.43 | NeUtr0N | what about changing the permission of the kmenueditor ? |
| 22:05.46 | aseigo | yay i'm back |
| 22:06.00 | NeUtr0N | wb |
| 22:06.02 | canllaith | PhilRod: yeah well.... we're working on that, yeah? |
| 22:06.27 | PhilRod | since, in fact, it seems like renaming ~/.local and ~/.config should be sufficient to solve most problems |
| 22:06.36 | canllaith | It should be yes |
| 22:06.41 | PhilRod | canllaith: yes, indeed |
| 22:06.58 | canllaith | PhilRod: it is bizzare the problems a misconfigured menu can cause, and moving .kde out of the way doesn't fix it |
| 22:07.01 | illissius | canllaith: well, making 'apps kde knows about' seperate doesn't mean it wouldn't be modifiable, just that it would be modifiable seperately |
| 22:07.06 | illissius | which is actually more control |
| 22:07.09 | aseigo | illissius: regarding having a difference between "applications known to kde" and "applications shown in the kmenu".. i agree |
| 22:07.33 | canllaith | PhilRod: like the old konqueror %f instead of %u problem that causes webpages to be downloaded to /tmp instead of viewed properly |
| 22:07.33 | aseigo | i just don't think replacing it with Yet Another Set of Applications Menu is much of an improvement |
| 22:08.03 | canllaith | Obviously .local & .config fixes this, but most of the users don't know that |
| 22:08.09 | illissius | aseigo: well, true. it's just the first solution I thought of, as I didn't have to come up with it myself |
| 22:08.39 | aseigo | heh |
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| 22:08.50 | illissius | does osx even have an apps menu? |
| 22:09.05 | PhilRod | illissius: would you like to write up a FAQ with solution, for possible inclusion in the KDE FAQ? |
| 22:09.17 | aseigo | no, os X doesn't have an apps menu |
| 22:09.30 | aseigo | you have to dig into the finder window thingy for apps that aren't on your dock |
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| 22:10.13 | illissius | PhilRod: well, I'm not sure I understand it enough... basically I removed ~/.kde/share/applnk & mimelnk, ~/.local, and ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 22:10.18 | illissius | but I'm not sure all were necessary |
| 22:10.33 | canllaith | illissius: afaik just the .config should have sufficed |
| 22:11.09 | illissius | canllaith: heh, people were suggesting all the others except that |
| 22:11.17 | illissius | but no matter, it's fixed now |
| 22:11.32 | canllaith | illissius: heh sorry I was involved in a useless bickering-via-email exchange at the time. |
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| 22:11.50 | canllaith | Although sometimes I wonder if these menu problems aren't permissions based |
| 22:11.51 | neko | aseigo: I was told yesterday that you're probably the best person to talk to regarding a KsCD sound problem I'm having. free to help atm? |
| 22:11.52 | PhilRod | AFAICT (aseigo can hopefully correct me if I'm wrong), ~/.local contains .desktop files which describe particular apps, whereas ~/.config contains the file which defines how the menu is put together out of such apps |
| 22:11.59 | canllaith | not all the time but occasionally |
| 22:12.05 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N nothing changed |
| 22:12.17 | NeUtr0N | still crashing |
| 22:12.28 | PhilRod | neko: did you try playing a cd with (say) xmms or some other non-kde app? |
| 22:12.49 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N yup |
| 22:13.09 | aseigo | PhilRod: among other things, yes, .local is .desktop files primarily. |
| 22:13.26 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N so? what now? |
| 22:13.29 | MakenToO | :( |
| 22:13.30 | NeUtr0N | MakenToO: sorry |
| 22:13.35 | NeUtr0N | what version of kdm is that btw |
| 22:13.35 | neko | not yet, but KsCD seems to be working fine other than not playing through the digital output - I can hear it fine on my headphones |
| 22:13.42 | NeUtr0N | kde version ? |
| 22:13.50 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N no, y u say sry :) |
| 22:14.11 | PhilRod | neko: please try that, then we can tell if it's a kscd problem, or a more general one with your setup |
| 22:14.14 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N 3.3.2 |
| 22:14.17 | MakenToO | kde is 3.3.2 |
| 22:14.19 | NeUtr0N | well the logs shows some error related to font not existing in xorg.conf |
| 22:15.03 | neko | anyone know the name of a non-KDE cd player? |
| 22:15.03 | PhilRod | illissius: well, looks like .config is indeed the one to move - would you like to write up a FAQ along those lines? (plain text is fine) |
| 22:15.13 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N this time, i fexed the fonts, used default image for kdm, still... crashes |
| 22:15.23 | MakenToO | neko mplayer |
| 22:15.31 | illissius | while we're into random kde troubleshooting, whenever I try the new kdm 'start new session' thingy, the new session always crashes/exits just after logging in |
| 22:15.51 | NeUtr0N | MakenToO: and checked the log of kdm again ? |
| 22:15.58 | aseigo | neko: cdp? |
| 22:16.41 | NeUtr0N | illissius: strange that never happened with me |
| 22:16.54 | neko | no sign of cdp being on my system, and mplayer keeps crashing whenever I try using it |
| 22:17.04 | illissius | doing startx -- :2 in a konsole with the same user works, so dunno |
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| 22:17.11 | MakenToO | NeUtr0N yup, those QImage errors still there, font ones are gone |
| 22:17.17 | neko | so using mplayer probably introduces too many unknowns to be helpful |
| 22:17.18 | Sirius_Black | i am compileing kmplayer and I am getting this: "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!". Any idea? WHat headers am I missing? |
| 22:17.20 | illissius | PhilRod: will do |
| 22:17.39 | PhilRod | Sirius_Black: do you have kdelibs-devel installed |
| 22:17.44 | illissius | but for now I'm going to get some sleep, which is what I was about to do before I was overcome by the troubleshooting madness |
| 22:17.54 | NeUtr0N | hmm probably the iamge error |
| 22:18.08 | NeUtr0N | i dunno show them here probably someone knows |
| 22:18.12 | PhilRod | illissius: ok, cool - you can talk to canllaith, #kde-docs or kde-doc-english@kde.org if you need any more help, or when you're done |
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| 22:19.01 | Sirius_Black | PhilRod: it dont look like it :-( lemme me apt-get install it |
| 22:19.20 | PhilRod | canllaith: heh, nothing - I was just randomly writing your name to distract you from whatever you were doing before ;-) |
| 22:19.24 | neko | no other suggestions on common cd players? |
| 22:19.44 | canllaith | PhilRod: ah I see :) Good to know you're back and it's not the evil PhilRod who keeps you tied up with tape anymore :) |
| 22:20.44 | PhilRod | oh yeah, that wasn't pleasant. Still, I've got rid of all the tape now. My lips feel funny though |
| 22:20.50 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 22:21.05 | PhilRod | aseigo: and that's an INopportune moment, just so we're all on the same page :-) |
| 22:21.25 | canllaith | besides |
| 22:21.32 | canllaith | bondage is more a #kde-docs conversation |
| 22:21.54 | aseigo | bondage and lesbian horse breeders |
| 22:21.58 | aseigo | kde-lhb |
| 22:22.04 | canllaith | aseigo: don't forget the floral dress. |
| 22:22.15 | PhilRod | or in fact, *any* response at all... |
| 22:22.22 | aseigo | canllaith: how can i? i'm wearing it right now |
| 22:22.42 | illissius | aseigo: are the horses lesbian or the breeders? |
| 22:22.55 | neko | both? |
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| 22:23.23 | Theory | surely the horses are male? |
| 22:23.35 | NeUtr0N | good night everyone |
| 22:23.47 | aseigo | NeUtr0N:g'nite |
| 22:23.55 | aseigo | illissius[sleep]: does it really matter? |
| 22:25.23 | neko | is there any way of finding out where KsCD is feeding the sound to? |
| 22:26.25 | aseigo | neko: directly to your soundcard unless you use the digital playback option |
| 22:26.42 | neko | that'll explain part of it then |
| 22:26.56 | neko | the digital playback option is greyed out |
| 22:27.24 | neko | and without kmix telling it to output through digital it's resorting to analogue |
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| 22:27.46 | aseigo | neko: which version of kde? |
| 22:27.55 | neko | 3.2 |
| 22:28.01 | aseigo | ah.. it wasn't enableduntil 3.3 |
| 22:28.05 | aseigo | (digital playback, that is) |
| 22:28.08 | neko | gah |
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| 22:28.12 | neko | curse you MDK >.< |
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| 22:29.39 | neko | would it work properly if I updated to a later version of KsCD without updating all of KDE? |
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| 22:31.00 | CapNemo | hello :) im testing 3.3.91 .. and i have a "simple" problem : any control is empty, for example kcontrol is all empty or the kicker conf panel the same .. an idea ??? |
| 22:31.45 | PhilRod | is your KDE menu fully populated? |
| 22:32.03 | Venson | i had that issue when i reinstalled recently. |
| 22:32.19 | CapNemo | PhilRod, the menu also is all empty |
| 22:32.20 | Venson | Think it was a permissions issue |
| 22:32.44 | Venson | CapNemo: you're replacing your home dir? |
| 22:32.57 | CapNemo | Venson, what ? |
| 22:33.07 | Venson | CapNemo: did you reinstall your system? |
| 22:33.19 | PhilRod | I've had a similar issue with packages which was solved by setting XDG_DATA_DIRS=$KDEDIR/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share, XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=$KDEDIR/etc/xdg |
| 22:33.36 | CapNemo | Venson, i had a kde 3.3.2 and i have upgrade it to 3.3.91 .. so in a way yes |
| 22:33.55 | PhilRod | CapNemo: what method did you use to upgrade? |
| 22:34.03 | Venson | CapNemo: no no...i meant the entire system. |
| 22:34.38 | CapNemo | Venson, im using archlinux so i have upgraded to 3.3.91 packages |
| 22:34.56 | CapNemo | so perhaps the best way is : remove kde and reinstall it ? |
| 22:34.57 | PhilRod | CapNemo: open a konsole, export those two environment variables, then run 'kbuildsycoca'. Is the K menu now populated? |
| 22:35.09 | aseigo | Venson: have you logged out / in since you upgrded? |
| 22:35.17 | Venson | aseigo: yes..plenty of times |
| 22:35.24 | aseigo | Venson: ok. do what PhilRod just said. |
| 22:35.28 | PhilRod | CapNemo: oh, but first make sure that $KDEDIR is set correctly for your new KDE |
| 22:35.42 | CapNemo | PhilRod, there are now 5 applications that's all |
| 22:35.42 | Venson | aseigo: everything works for me now. No worries, pal. :) |
| 22:36.06 | PhilRod | CapNemo: what about kcontrol? |
| 22:36.31 | CapNemo | PhilRod, yes no empty :) good thx :) |
| 22:36.52 | PhilRod | CapNemo: but only 5 apps in the k menu sounds odd. Hrm |
| 22:37.02 | CapNemo | PhilRod, i have another problem at startup I have a permanent window "volume" displayed and i cant remove it |
| 22:37.23 | PhilRod | CapNemo: anyway, you'll need to set those two environment variables in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.kde/env/startup.sh |
| 22:37.33 | ptfd9100 | anybody here running 3.4.0_beta1 on gentoo? |
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| 22:37.59 | PhilRod | CapNemo: do you have a screenshot |
| 22:38.00 | PhilRod | ? |
| 22:38.10 | CapNemo | PhilRod, let me make one |
| 22:38.48 | Venson | CapNemo: if you wanna make sure the issue is not with your kde installation, create a "test" user and run kde as that user. |
| 22:38.52 | PhilRod | ptfd9100: no, but try us anyway - someone might have a suggestion |
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| 22:39.51 | Venson | 3.4beta1 feels lighter than a feather and totally kicks a$$ |
| 22:39.59 | ptfd9100 | well I installed with emerge kde-meta now I get all those files as blockers everytime I run emerge -uvDa world.. |
| 22:40.10 | Venson | R.I.P Gnome (whenever-2005) |
| 22:40.13 | CapNemo | Venson, in fact i have rename all my profiles directories to have a clean user .. and its the same |
| 22:40.23 | CapNemo | but perhaps as root can be a test to do |
| 22:40.33 | Venson | CapNemo: hmm...i also removed ~/.kderc and ~/.qt/ |
| 22:40.49 | CapNemo | yup me too |
| 22:41.11 | PhilRod | that way, if they weren't causing the problem, you haven't lost your settings |
| 22:41.44 | PhilRod | CapNemo: if there are problems with the menu, rename ~/.config |
| 22:41.58 | PhilRod | (then kbuildsycoca and try again) |
| 22:42.58 | CapNemo | PhilRod, oh good idea yes |
| 22:43.23 | ptfd9100 | another ? more appropriately here, do I have to rebuild kde after updating qt to 2.3.3? |
| 22:43.24 | CapNemo | PhilRod, dont worry i have only renamed them ;) |
| 22:43.56 | illogic-al | 3.3.3 and you don't _have_ to if you had 3.3.x before |
| 22:44.02 | illogic-al | but i would :-/ |
| 22:44.10 | CapNemo | PhilRod, yup perfect the menu is populated i will remember that |
| 22:44.15 | PhilRod | hiya illogic-al |
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| 22:44.24 | illogic-al | yoyoyo PhilRod :-) |
| 22:44.27 | illogic-al | 'sup? |
| 22:44.41 | PhilRod | CapNemo: you chose the right time to have that problem - we just had a big discussion about how to fix the K menu :-) |
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| 22:44.59 | ptfd9100 | thx illogical... |
| 22:45.01 | PhilRod | illogic-al: not much - I've been wasting my life away, and haven't got much work done :-/ |
| 22:45.15 | PhilRod | illogic-al: otherwise, it's good :-) |
| 22:45.30 | illogic-al | heh. PhilRod hope you had a good vacation. |
| 22:45.51 | illogic-al | i'm back @ school :-)/:-( |
| 22:45.58 | illogic-al | I can't decide which yet... |
| 22:46.02 | PhilRod | hehe, same here |
| 22:46.23 | PhilRod | I've been here like two weeks and have done almost no work at all. It's kind of worrying |
| 22:46.29 | canllaith | PhilRod: so when people have the weird nothin showing up in Kcontrol the export XDG stuff fixes it? |
| 22:47.01 | PhilRod | canllaith: yes, I think so. But I assume it only occurs when kde is installed from packages |
| 22:47.01 | CapNemo | PhilRod, look at this screenshot about the permanent window ---> http://www.nemoworld.info/index.php?option=com_zoom&Itemid=42&page=view&catid=9&PageNo=1&key=0&hit=1 |
| 22:47.14 | canllaith | PhilRod: ok I will add that to the faq. |
| 22:47.30 | PhilRod | canllaith: well, at least, it occurred for me when I installed packages into a non-standard directory |
| 22:47.44 | PhilRod | CapNemo: ^^^ did you do something like that too? |
| 22:47.50 | illogic-al | only been a week and a day for me so far. and i haven't really done anything (but never do in the first week anyway) |
| 22:47.56 | canllaith | PhilRod: well, I have heard people report similar symptoms on upgrading rpms in particular |
| 22:48.08 | canllaith | so I'll assume it was the same problem and write up a faq about it for next time :) |
| 22:48.09 | illogic-al | speaking of which, i should finish my diff eq home work. |
| 22:48.25 | CapNemo | PhilRod, what ? |
| 22:48.55 | PhilRod | CapNemo: installed packages with a different installation prefix, or some other unusual options? |
| 22:49.25 | CapNemo | PhilRod, not really |
| 22:49.53 | PhilRod | hrm, ok |
| 22:50.22 | PhilRod | CapNemo: as for the volume window, see if there are any 'klaptop' or 'kmilo' processes running |
| 22:51.21 | CapNemo | PhilRod, in the .xsession-errors i have traces about KMilo .. but i see no kmilo process |
| 22:51.25 | CapNemo | kded: ERROR: KMilo: DellI8kMonitor could not access kmix/Mixer0 via dcop |
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| 22:51.50 | PhilRod | CapNemo: nothing from running "ps auxww | grep -i kmilo"? |
| 22:52.10 | CapNemo | nop nothing |
| 22:52.44 | PhilRod | perhaps it has an applet in the system tray or kicker... |
| 22:53.04 | CapNemo | ahh with dcop i can see a kmilod ... |
| 22:53.30 | CapNemo | dcop kded kmilod .... |
| 22:54.08 | CapNemo | PhilRod, dcop kded kmilod disable <--- disapear :)) |
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| 22:55.34 | PhilRod | sensas! |
| 22:55.51 | CapNemo | lol |
| 22:55.53 | Venson | when driving fast in the highway, i try to avoid dcop's :)) |
| 22:55.59 | mbevan | So, how would I use Filetype Specific Settings to set tab-stops to 4 characters and tell kate to use tabs (instead of sapces) when editing .rcp files? |
| 22:56.00 | CapNemo | arff |
| 22:56.35 | mbevan | s/sapces/spaces |
| 22:56.35 | CapNemo | PhilRod, do you a know a good doc describing config files and architecture of kde ? |
| 22:56.40 | canllaith | mbevan: the person to ask about that is sredna when he gets back. Usually he's in #kate - or you can try the kwrite mailing list. |
| 22:56.52 | PhilRod | CapNemo: as it happens, yes I do :-) |
| 22:56.53 | mbevan | Hmm. |
| 22:56.55 | PhilRod | apt: ug |
| 22:56.56 | apt | i guess ug is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 22:57.06 | PhilRod | CapNemo: ^^ the "KDE for admins" chapter there |
| 22:57.08 | aseigo | ug? hahaha |
| 22:57.17 | mbevan | Alternate question with the same goal: Is there a list of "Kate Variables" somewhere? |
| 22:57.38 | Venson | mbevan: What version of KDE? |
| 22:57.42 | canllaith | mbevan: can you believe .... there was and then the wiki went down! |
| 22:57.44 | CapNemo | oki perfect thank you very much for your help and thanks for the good work about kde :) |
| 22:57.46 | mbevan | Latest stable - 3.3.2. |
| 22:58.12 | canllaith | aseigo: heh and whenever I say it, I say it like 'UGH' it's the coolest word :) |
| 22:58.32 | PhilRod | CapNemo: yw |
| 22:58.47 | Venson | mbevan: you only want to change spaces to tabs in rcp files or all files? |
| 22:59.34 | mbevan | Venson: I want to use tab-indentation with a width of 4, not 8, on .RCP files only. |
| 22:59.48 | mbevan | My global settings are for space-indentation with a width of 2. |
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| 23:01.48 | rasput|n | iano is fucked up |
| 23:01.52 | rasput|n | sorry wrong channel |
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| 23:05.03 | MrGrim | canllaith: you about? |
| 23:05.09 | canllaith | kinda |
| 23:05.25 | PhilRod | g'night all |
| 23:05.28 | MrGrim | think you'll have some time to help me test openvpn? |
| 23:05.35 | canllaith | not right now no sorry dude |
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| 23:12.42 | canllaith | lol |
| 23:12.47 | canllaith | MrGrim: haven't gone to bed yet :| |
| 23:13.14 | canllaith | and it's midday |
| 23:13.56 | MrGrim | I noticed :P |
| 23:14.00 | canllaith | :P |
| 23:14.09 | MrGrim | good on you |
| 23:14.10 | MrGrim | I say |
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| 23:16.36 | joujou | how can i tell which version of KDE i have installed? |
| 23:16.47 | canllaith | joujou: kde-config --version from konsole |
| 23:16.54 | canllaith | or Help -> About KDE from any kde application |
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| 23:17.33 | joujou | it's 3.3.1 |
| 23:17.38 | joujou | latest? |
| 23:17.54 | canllaith | 3.3.2 is now out |
| 23:17.54 | flosch | does anyone know how to set the default www page from konqueror? every time if I start it it opens skype.org ... *confused* |
| 23:18.10 | Venson | 3.4beta1 :-D |
| 23:18.30 | canllaith | flosch: Go to the page you want, and then go to Settings -> Save View Profile |
| 23:18.36 | canllaith | tick the box that says ' Save URLs in Profile' |
| 23:18.47 | flosch | FN~canllaith: thanks :) |
| 23:19.34 | flosch | does it also take effect on font size changes? |
| 23:19.51 | canllaith | No, that you do through Settings -> Configure Konqueror |
| 23:20.01 | flosch | okay - big thanks (: |
| 23:20.31 | flosch | uhm.. i mean the font size from websites.. not the size of the controls of konqueror |
| 23:21.05 | canllaith | Yes, that is where you set the font size for websites. |
| 23:22.23 | flosch | okay |
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| 23:22.58 | rift | How do I create a new kicker panel? |
| 23:24.22 | canllaith | rift: Right click on Kicker -> Add -> Panel -> Child Panel |
| 23:24.29 | canllaith | This panel can do anything kicker can do. |
| 23:24.52 | canllaith | hmm unless you are using cvs head, it seems the option has changed just to 'Panel' |
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| 23:27.18 | code_ | n8 |
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| 23:28.11 | rift | canllaith: i did that and added one to the top of my screen but it won't go to the very top when I enable "Current Applications Menu Bar (Mac-OS style) in behavior |
| 23:28.20 | rift | it has the menu bar |
| 23:28.24 | rift | then my kicker below it |
| 23:28.31 | rift | looks weird :/ |
| 23:31.01 | rift | fixed it |
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| 23:37.30 | gregday | canllaith: help me! |
| 23:37.32 | gregday | canllaith: you're my only hope |
| 23:37.37 | canllaith | gregday: oooh what is it |
| 23:38.01 | gregday | canllaith: i need you explain again how to fix the wrong meinproc problem with docbook |
| 23:38.12 | canllaith | heh you are having that now? |
| 23:38.16 | gregday | yes |
| 23:38.29 | MrGrim | would anyone here be willing to help me test my openvpn setup? |
| 23:38.51 | canllaith | gregday: basically what I do, is export KDEDIR=/path/to/new/kde |
| 23:39.01 | canllaith | export PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH |
| 23:39.16 | canllaith | and then start again from ./configure |
| 23:39.19 | gregday | canllaith: will that only last as long as my konsole session? im still using 3.3 regularly |
| 23:39.32 | canllaith | gregday: yeah it will only last till you close that konsole, and only for _that_ specific konsole |
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| 23:40.05 | gregday | canllaith: thanks a lot, i owe you a jar of vegemite |
| 23:40.13 | canllaith | So that will make your new meinproc at the beginningof your path instead of end |
| 23:40.23 | canllaith | gregday: oh and dude, you're doing ./configure --prefix=/path/to/new/kde right? |
| 23:40.57 | gregday | of course |
| 23:41.51 | canllaith | :) |
| 23:43.47 | gregday | is it strictly necessary to configure again with the new PATH/ |
| 23:43.50 | gregday | it seems to be building now |
| 23:44.06 | canllaith | Well try it and see. |
| 23:51.04 | rift | Is there a way to take screenshots in KDE? |
| 23:51.08 | rift | printscreen didnt do it |
| 23:51.26 | MrGrim | ksnapshot is good |
| 23:51.35 | MrGrim | part of kdegraphics iirc |
| 23:52.02 | rift | thx |
| 23:52.44 | chavo | I used khotkeys to bind printscreen button to 'import -window root ss.png' |
| 23:53.30 | ponto | Alt+ PrintScreen works |
| 23:53.40 | ponto | Ctrl+PrintScreen works too |
| 23:53.59 | ponto | one of both takes only the active window, but i cannot remember which one. |
| 23:54.30 | gregday | canllaith: thank you it's working perfectly now *hug* |
| 23:54.50 | canllaith | gregday: yay! |
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