| 00:00.02 | *** join/#kde Frost^ (~Weiss@IGLD-83-130-212-110.inter.net.il) |
| 00:00.06 | Oleg_ | canllaith: you woke up recently? |
| 00:01.58 | _poison | canllaith: our admin reset all passwds (except a few, including mine) for our net to "" .... so now my mate can't use kmail to fetch mail because it won't accept an empty passwd ^^ |
| 00:02.18 | _poison | well ... only sometimes ... |
| 00:02.24 | canllaith | _poison: you can speak all you like about KDE problems bugs, it worksforme :) |
| 00:03.22 | Oleg_ | canllaith: hello? |
| 00:03.27 | canllaith | hi Oleg_ |
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| 00:03.34 | Oleg_ | canllaith: you woke up recently? |
| 00:03.39 | _poison | canllaith: your right ... if I imagine hard enough they go away ? *g* ... no seriously ... it sometimes needs a different user doing things a different way to trigger a bug ... you should know that if your a programmer ^^ |
| 00:03.44 | canllaith | no .. hours ago |
| 00:03.54 | canllaith | _poison: I support hundreds of machines :) |
| 00:04.00 | canllaith | and I am not 'a programmer' |
| 00:04.28 | canllaith | at any rate if you want to troll about how buggy KDE is, #gnome is just around the corner ;) |
| 00:05.11 | _poison | canllaith: don't get me the wrong way =/ ... |
| 00:05.41 | _poison | I'm not trolling ... I'm just saying kde has a few issiues ... if thats trolling ... well ...uhm =( |
| 00:05.51 | rombeh | canllaith, selamat pagi |
| 00:06.00 | canllaith | rombeh: selamat pagi. Apa kabar ? :) |
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| 00:06.26 | lippel | speaking of bugs, are beta1 users using akregator around? |
| 00:06.26 | Oleg_ | KDE rocks |
| 00:06.31 | Oleg_ | it ROCKS!!! |
| 00:06.38 | Oleg_ | KDE IS THE BEST!!! |
| 00:06.40 | canllaith | lippel: um I am using current cvs HEAD does that help you? |
| 00:06.45 | jepel_tailweaver | Linux just isn't Linux without KDE |
| 00:06.46 | Oleg_ | IT'S BEAUTIFUL! |
| 00:06.49 | _poison | yes of course kde rocks ... thats why i'm using it ^^ |
| 00:06.53 | Oleg_ | IT'S WONDERFUL |
| 00:07.07 | Oleg_ | KDE IS THE BEST PIECE OF SOFTWARE ON EARTH |
| 00:07.26 | lippel | canllaith: no, i got a beta1 user whose feeds get lost regularly... |
| 00:07.33 | canllaith | ahhh ok then. |
| 00:07.53 | lippel | canllaith: and i really have no idea why, and nobody else reported this so far. |
| 00:09.28 | Oleg_ | kde does wonders |
| 00:09.35 | Oleg_ | kde makes my life easier |
| 00:09.43 | Oleg_ | kde is intelligent |
| 00:09.52 | Oleg_ | kde is God |
| 00:10.02 | Oleg_ | and there is no God besides kde |
| 00:10.23 | rombeh | Oleg_, maybe kde is not the best,.. |
| 00:10.24 | lippel | oleg's kredo |
| 00:10.25 | rombeh | but I use it everyday |
| 00:11.12 | Oleg_ | kde is the best. And it's not an opinion, it's a fact |
| 00:11.13 | jepel_tailweaver | Linux is Linux. Linux+KDE is Linux++ |
| 00:11.21 | Oleg_ | yes! |
| 00:11.36 | lippel | let's create #kde-worship |
| 00:11.39 | jepel_tailweaver | What would we do without all of KDE's helpful utilities? And its control center? |
| 00:11.46 | Oleg_ | yes! |
| 00:12.00 | Oleg_ | and it's beautiful startup screen! |
| 00:12.02 | _poison | jepel_tailweaver: you forgot GNU *gg* |
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| 00:12.08 | rombeh | jepel_tailweaver, I'll install KDE |
| 00:12.21 | jepel_tailweaver | _poison: good point |
| 00:12.23 | _poison | whithout GNU, no kde =P |
| 00:12.29 | jepel_tailweaver | Linux, GNU, X and KDE |
| 00:12.39 | jepel_tailweaver | wait, we don't need to have Linux and GNU |
| 00:12.45 | jepel_tailweaver | we must include our FreeBSD users as well |
| 00:13.02 | jepel_tailweaver | and kde-embedded and kde-mac don't need X |
| 00:13.14 | _poison | jepel_tailweaver: they need GNU too ^^ |
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| 00:13.21 | _poison | (BSD) |
| 00:13.46 | canllaith | irix |
| 00:13.46 | jepel_tailweaver | _poison: Linux is the kernel, GNU is the userland. BSD is the kernel, and BSD is the userland |
| 00:13.47 | canllaith | solaris |
| 00:13.52 | canllaith | aix |
| 00:13.54 | jepel_tailweaver | BSD has been around for a lot longer than GNU |
| 00:14.03 | jepel_tailweaver | After all, GNU's Not Unix |
| 00:14.03 | canllaith | many unixes run kde, not just linux & bsd |
| 00:14.11 | rombeh | _poison, lol GNU/BSD |
| 00:14.12 | _poison | jepel_tailweaver: there's a lot of gnu stuff in the BSD userland ^^ |
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| 00:14.24 | jepel_tailweaver | rombeh: Debian GNU/FreeBSD |
| 00:14.31 | canllaith | there is a lot of gnu on the average irix and solaris box I get my hands on too |
| 00:14.36 | jepel_tailweaver | true |
| 00:14.58 | jepel_tailweaver | so microsoft was wrong about the GPL being viral, when it was GNU that was viral? |
| 00:15.11 | jepel_tailweaver | and #kde-worship is open for worshipping |
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| 00:16.01 | *** topic/#kde by jepel_tailweaver -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | How to ask smart questions: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html | Please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin! | KDE is a desktop environment, not a religion, otherwise #kde-worship |
| 00:16.07 | canllaith | dude |
| 00:16.11 | canllaith | seriously |
| 00:16.19 | canllaith | please don't mess with the topic unless it is for a sensible reason |
| 00:16.33 | *** topic/#kde by lauri -> KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 1 are out - http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php | How to ask smart questions: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html | Please don't flood the channel, use a pastebin! |
| 00:16.37 | jepel_tailweaver | right |
| 00:16.37 | jepel_tailweaver | ok |
| 00:16.43 | canllaith | thanks lauri |
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| 00:17.17 | lauri | ass |
| 00:20.42 | rombeh | can I sort KDE menu (by it's name like ms menu does) after I add/edit entries |
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| 00:21.58 | x_or | Anyone here know if there is a way to run artsd as root while logged in as another user but still let the kde windowing interface connect and send sound events? |
| 00:22.02 | StevenR | rombeh: not afaict |
| 00:22.57 | rombeh | StevenR, even with command line (sort, maybe?, but which files and how?)? |
| 00:23.21 | StevenR | rombeh: im not totally sure how the menu is stored |
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| 00:25.34 | rombeh | StevenR, what to do with ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu, any idea? |
| 00:26.40 | StevenR | rombeh: well you dont want to just sort it cos it's an xml formatted file. |
| 00:27.02 | rombeh | StevenR, maybe you can do some magic command to sort that file |
| 00:27.17 | StevenR | rombeh: possibly, but i dont know how |
| 00:27.27 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: dually is just a few minutes from being able to compile as -j6 |
| 00:29.13 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: oh? |
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| 00:30.37 | snugglemonkey | distcc is apparently the hot ticket. |
| 00:30.41 | canllaith | ah yes |
| 00:30.44 | canllaith | I should set that up one of these days |
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| 00:31.06 | snugglemonkey | I want to be able to compile base 8 minutes... lol |
| 00:31.11 | canllaith | heh |
| 00:39.27 | lippel | question to native speakers: "notify of new articles" or "notify on new articles"? |
| 00:40.30 | snugglemonkey | lippel, need the rest of the sentence... :( |
| 00:41.04 | lippel | snugglemonkey: well, it's a configure option ;-). it means "notify the user of/on new articles in this feed" |
| 00:41.56 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: may have a better idea, but I believe I'd go with the notify user of new articles... |
| 00:42.41 | lippel | snugglemonkey: you are a native speaker? |
| 00:42.51 | snugglemonkey | On is if there is a change.... Of would be like notifying the actualy person who made the changes... |
| 00:43.10 | snugglemonkey | I speak americanese. |
| 00:43.24 | lippel | heh ;) |
| 00:43.25 | snugglemonkey | No other language, just american english. |
| 00:43.31 | canllaith | lippel: notify of |
| 00:43.50 | snugglemonkey | It depends on what you are trying to say. |
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| 00:43.53 | lippel | ok, my dictionary agrees ;-) |
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| 00:43.58 | canllaith | Well.. notify of new articles, or notify on arrival of new articles would work too |
| 00:44.01 | canllaith | but not just notify on |
| 00:44.11 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 00:44.21 | snugglemonkey | canllaith to the rescue again. |
| 00:44.24 | lorux | #gulse |
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| 00:54.45 | |QuaD- | so i have a question. Are there any distros that basically just act as a kolab server? |
| 00:57.02 | x_or | Is there a way to disable the kde sound manager from the command line? |
| 00:57.19 | lippel | x_or: killall -9 artsd |
| 00:57.59 | lippel | |QuaD-: you could ask in #kontact |
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| 00:58.20 | lippel | they know about these things |
| 00:58.29 | |QuaD- | lippel: alright thanks :) |
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| 01:00.07 | snugglemonkey | base compiles today for most? |
| 01:00.19 | canllaith | can't compile until monday :( |
| 01:00.43 | canllaith | lol |
| 01:00.49 | canllaith | sarcastic quit message, grammatically incorrect |
| 01:00.54 | canllaith | oh the irony :) |
| 01:01.30 | snugglemonkey | funny ntl :) |
| 01:04.05 | lippel | btw, if you see strings in akregator which sound awkward, let me know before string freeze ;-) |
| 01:04.22 | canllaith | sure thing |
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| 02:12.37 | Dhraakellian | canllaith: as in putting together the various color schemes, styles, and windecs into theme files? |
| 02:12.45 | canllaith | no making widget styles |
| 02:13.51 | canllaith | I'm having a fussy day, where even baghira isn't pacifying my want for prettiness |
| 02:14.55 | sarah03 | lol |
| 02:14.57 | canllaith | you just want me to bring you more mp3's this week |
| 02:16.18 | Dhraakellian | flattery will get you every^H^H^H^H^Hnowhere |
| 02:16.24 | Dhraakellian | ? |
| 02:17.04 | canllaith | oh no, flattery will get you everywhere :) |
| 02:25.34 | Oleg_ | I love you all, people! We are like one family. |
| 02:25.41 | canllaith | uhuh.... |
| 02:26.35 | snugglemonkey | kill kill kill... I've got a user that just won't die. how do I kill all processes by user... kdedev? |
| 02:26.42 | canllaith | pkill -u kdedev |
| 02:27.05 | canllaith | I think you can throw a 9 in there somewhere if needed (check the man page for pkill) |
| 02:27.15 | snugglemonkey | pkill wokred. |
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| 02:27.41 | snugglemonkey | I couldn't kikll him, he just kept coming back... like som freaky night of the living dead flick. |
| 02:28.24 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:28.32 | Dhraakellian | Oleg_: ever heard of anything like filiucide? |
| 02:28.41 | Oleg_ | no |
| 02:28.50 | anis[x] | hai all people |
| 02:28.54 | anis[x] | greetings =) |
| 02:29.02 | Dhraakellian | Oleg_: never mind, then |
| 02:29.03 | Dhraakellian | !;) |
| 02:29.08 | canllaith | hi there anis[x] |
| 02:29.22 | anis[x] | heya kakak comel =) |
| 02:29.38 | anis[x] | how ya doing canllaith ? |
| 02:29.45 | canllaith | good :) |
| 02:29.53 | anis[x] | glad to hear that |
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| 02:41.03 | mobtek | hehe how much fun is skype |
| 02:41.31 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: since i ran to your house to reset your desktop, can you run downstairs and turn on my computer? |
| 02:41.35 | snugglemonkey | pretty please? |
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| 02:44.45 | canllaith | mmm ok |
| 02:44.55 | Dhraakellian | jcurry: well, it's a way of introducing me to the rest of kde-pim, I suppose |
| 02:45.00 | canllaith | So after changing the libtool script to make libtool more verbose I have a cryptic message |
| 02:45.13 | canllaith | and I think I have tracked it down to libXi not having a .la |
| 02:45.31 | canllaith | I can write one by hand easily enough, but there is a tool that autogenerates these things and I am wondering how one does that |
| 02:46.11 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: those are pretty heavy questions. |
| 02:46.56 | canllaith | I have the oh so informative 'libtool: link: cannot find the library `'' |
| 02:47.18 | canllaith | after a bit of messing with it's config file, I have managed at least to get it to tell me |
| 02:47.20 | canllaith | libtool: link: cannot find the library `'(lib.la: Xi) |
| 02:47.58 | canllaith | I wonder why it doesn't have a libtool archive, and how to generate one for it |
| 02:48.07 | snugglemonkey | Ha, I remember when mine couldn't find la al ala files. I think that is when lauri removed my kdedir |
| 02:48.56 | canllaith | lol |
| 02:49.08 | canllaith | those are library files |
| 02:49.15 | canllaith | that basically just tell libtool where to find libraries |
| 02:49.26 | canllaith | eg, instead of it having to remember that you have libfoo.so.6 it just looks for libfoo.la |
| 02:49.37 | canllaith | then if you upgrade to libfoo.so.7 it doesn't break things. Make sense? |
| 02:49.43 | snugglemonkey | sure. |
| 02:49.52 | snugglemonkey | I still think libtool is stupid. |
| 02:50.04 | snugglemonkey | It should know where it's at... ;) |
| 02:50.09 | canllaith | heh |
| 02:50.34 | snugglemonkey | I heard from piptas, and he is ok. |
| 02:50.41 | canllaith | :) |
| 02:50.41 | snugglemonkey | which makes me happy. |
| 02:51.20 | snugglemonkey | I also heard from David from France, and he heard from pipitas, the wonders of dually. |
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| 03:00.21 | aseigo | gah. naming things that don't have names (due to not really existing previously) is stupidly hard... esp if you don't want a stupid sounding name =P |
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| 03:00.32 | canllaith | *blink blink* |
| 03:00.33 | CLucas916 | is there a way to compile applications so that it has the KDE GUI (KDE scrollbar, etc.) |
| 03:00.39 | canllaith | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey there :) |
| 03:00.44 | aseigo | canllaith: yo =) |
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| 03:00.56 | aseigo | CLucas916: what sort of applications? |
| 03:01.16 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:01.26 | snugglemonkey | aseigo: what are you naming? |
| 03:01.48 | CLucas916 | like xchat and firefox. it doesnt have the same KDE look as k3b |
| 03:02.02 | aseigo | canllaith: do you have any good idea for what to call a glob of information that isn't necessarily a document, not necessarily a URI .. just an arbitrary unit of "stuff"? |
| 03:02.02 | Renze | CLucas916: that's because they use different toolkits |
| 03:02.10 | CLucas916 | Renze, |
| 03:02.12 | CLucas916 | ah |
| 03:02.16 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: see above msg to canllaith =) |
| 03:02.25 | canllaith | aseigo: more context required |
| 03:02.27 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: feel free to suggest good ideas too =P |
| 03:02.29 | Renze | CLucas916: xchat uses GTK2, firefox uses XUL |
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| 03:02.33 | canllaith | section ..... |
| 03:02.35 | aseigo | canllaith: that's the whole context. hahaha |
| 03:02.40 | snugglemonkey | aseigo: I don't know what it does. ;) |
| 03:02.43 | chavo | CLucas916, install this http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt it makes gtk apps look like qt apps |
| 03:02.45 | canllaith | glob of information |
| 03:02.48 | CLucas916 | Renze, oh interestng |
| 03:02.48 | canllaith | um |
| 03:02.49 | lymz | my window icons to minimizze, maximize, and close have disappeared... |
| 03:03.17 | aseigo | lymz: control center -> appearance & themes -> window decoration |
| 03:03.23 | aseigo | lymz: second tab |
| 03:03.29 | jcurry | aseigo, how about 'data chunk' |
| 03:03.39 | aseigo | hrm.. chunk. that might work... hmm |
| 03:03.40 | chavo | damn, can't type that fast |
| 03:03.42 | canllaith | heh yeah in terms of xml it's a 'chunk' |
| 03:03.55 | canllaith | fragment ? |
| 03:04.01 | canllaith | if it is part of a whole |
| 03:04.04 | aseigo | glob isn't so great because it's used in some database apps for something similar |
| 03:04.07 | canllaith | lol yes |
| 03:04.16 | snugglemonkey | or perhaps a "bit" |
| 03:04.28 | aseigo | bit + chunk = bunk? hehe |
| 03:04.29 | jcurry | maybe, make up a name? |
| 03:04.37 | snugglemonkey | x-hibit |
| 03:04.44 | aseigo | jcurry: yeah, that's what i'm trying to do |
| 03:04.46 | lymz | thanks aseigo! |
| 03:04.49 | aseigo | lymz: np man |
| 03:04.55 | aseigo | (or woman, as the case may be=) |
| 03:04.58 | jcurry | chunk+glob=chlob |
| 03:05.09 | snugglemonkey | klob, of course. |
| 03:05.12 | aseigo | lol |
| 03:05.15 | jcurry | klob is awesome |
| 03:05.16 | snugglemonkey | need K's |
| 03:05.18 | aseigo | blok |
| 03:05.22 | jcurry | lol |
| 03:05.46 | snugglemonkey | klob looks like something I would type when trying to type kolab |
| 03:06.15 | Renze | blok sounds almost soviet :) |
| 03:07.05 | mobtek | Renze: to Siberia with you! |
| 03:07.18 | Renze | mobtek: da, tovarich! |
| 03:07.19 | aseigo | woah. cool: http://www.etymonline.com/ |
| 03:07.24 | jcurry | how about blik=blok+bit |
| 03:07.30 | jcurry | lol, i am russian |
| 03:07.37 | aseigo | canllaith: libtool sucks, but it sucks less that most other optoins |
| 03:07.49 | aseigo | sort of like democracy. =P |
| 03:07.50 | canllaith | aseigo: totally agreed. That doesn't mean however that I wont abuse it when it does go wrong. |
| 03:07.50 | jcurry | Renze, the ch souns on the ends is soft, like tovarisch |
| 03:08.05 | aseigo | canllaith: why wait till it goes wrong? |
| 03:08.06 | Renze | jcurry: I know, it's similar in german and dutch |
| 03:08.09 | canllaith | aseigo: heh |
| 03:08.13 | jcurry | Renze, cool |
| 03:08.15 | mobtek | aparat! |
| 03:08.18 | mobtek | gorod! |
| 03:08.22 | mobtek | aftomobile! |
| 03:08.24 | mobtek | :P |
| 03:08.34 | jcurry | camera, city, and automobile? |
| 03:08.39 | mobtek | hahaha yes :P |
| 03:08.48 | mobtek | remembering my russian from school hehehe |
| 03:08.54 | mobtek | it's very bad hehe |
| 03:09.29 | jcurry | yeah, i wish i could have taken russian |
| 03:09.29 | mobtek | weird trying to do it with latin letters |
| 03:09.29 | jcurry | only spanish for me, and i suck at spanish |
| 03:09.29 | Renze | ay, no es bueno! |
| 03:10.21 | anis[x] | Renze busuk! |
| 03:10.29 | Renze | hi anis :) |
| 03:10.33 | mobtek | АФТОМОЬЛИ? |
| 03:10.34 | anis[x] | heya bro :p |
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| 03:10.44 | mobtek | haha Renze |
| 03:11.28 | Renze | anis[x]: and I showered this morning, so I'm not busuk :P |
| 03:11.32 | mobtek | ЕТА ДОМ |
| 03:11.34 | mobtek | :P |
| 03:11.44 | anis[x] | Renze: yeah..that is good :p hihi |
| 03:13.38 | Renze | mobtek: мой ховеркрафт полн рыб |
| 03:14.23 | aseigo | http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=monas&searchmode=none <-- ah ha? |
| 03:14.39 | aseigo | monad ... sounds a bit like gonad though =P ... perhaps monas |
| 03:15.16 | aseigo | monaform ... unit of information? hrm... |
| 03:15.21 | anis[x] | Renze: u are fast learner loL~ |
| 03:15.29 | aseigo | monas + forma ... perhaps |
| 03:15.38 | canllaith | yes |
| 03:15.40 | canllaith | monaform |
| 03:15.41 | canllaith | I love it |
| 03:15.47 | canllaith | unit of information :) |
| 03:15.48 | aseigo | and it isn't a word yet |
| 03:15.54 | canllaith | that is great |
| 03:16.10 | canllaith | but perhaps it will be :P |
| 03:16.19 | aseigo | it is now. let's here it for living languages. |
| 03:16.23 | aseigo | s,hear,here, |
| 03:16.40 | Renze | anis[x]: only if I hear something enough :) |
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| 03:21.29 | foo | "Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify BusIDs for all framebuffer devices." I get error when I try to startx. I do have the BusID .. PCI:01:00.0 - any ideas? I am on mandrake 10.1 with xorg. |
| 03:21.44 | canllaith | foo: you'd be best to ask #xorg or #mandrake |
| 03:21.56 | snugglemonkey | mmm and the pros are currently on in MDK. |
| 03:21.58 | foo | canllaith: I did, thanks |
| 03:22.32 | snugglemonkey | foo: and moonie didn't answer? |
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| 03:22.37 | mobtek | Renze: totally lost me there duder :) |
| 03:22.40 | foo | snugglemonkey: haha - nah |
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| 03:23.32 | snugglemonkey | foo: lilo or grub? |
| 03:23.33 | Renze | mobtek: "my hovercraft is full of fish" |
| 03:23.53 | foo | snugglemonkey: lilo, but that question is irrelevant :P |
| 03:24.02 | snugglemonkey | foo: not really. |
| 03:24.08 | snugglemonkey | look at your config. |
| 03:24.27 | foo | snugglemonkey: Yes... it is. What am I looking for in my config? |
| 03:24.39 | snugglemonkey | what does it say about frambuffers in there. |
| 03:24.58 | mobtek | Renze: eels :P |
| 03:25.39 | foo | snugglemonkey: Nothing |
| 03:25.48 | Renze | mobtek: I know, but babelfish wouldn't translate eels to russian :) |
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| 03:27.14 | snugglemonkey | foo: what is the video card type? |
| 03:28.44 | snugglemonkey | foo? |
| 03:28.47 | foo | snugglemonkey: Yes? |
| 03:28.59 | snugglemonkey | what is the video card type? |
| 03:28.59 | foo | snugglemonkey: Someone else is helping.. thanks anyways |
| 03:29.15 | snugglemonkey | I know what to add in the config, if they can't help |
| 03:31.07 | canllaith | there is more to running a framebuffer X server than the bootloader config snugglemonkey lol |
| 03:31.20 | canllaith | all that does is enable a framebuffer console if there is support |
| 03:32.32 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: sure. My gentoo (boo hiss) box was improperly configured in the bootloader. Once I got that flushed out, i went to Xorg and fixed the bus ID callout for the video card in the device section. |
| 03:32.40 | _jb | there is beauty in using the framebuffer |
| 03:32.47 | _jb | also, giant pain in the ass. |
| 03:34.22 | Legendre | _jb - FB is kinda overrated. |
| 03:34.22 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: a few seconds on google says his mobo probably has onboard video... too bad I'll never know the solution. :) |
| 03:34.43 | _jb | Legendre: outside of the fact it's really a last resort, i'm not sure i agree :) |
| 03:34.55 | Legendre | _jb - last resort for X? |
| 03:35.21 | _jb | yes |
| 03:35.30 | Legendre | happens, been there. |
| 03:35.47 | _jb | i dig the framebuffer device, then again i'm also one who likes it when things "just work" |
| 03:36.19 | Legendre | but if you dont *need* the fb, the built-in vesa modes are much faster.. and way more compatible. |
| 03:36.44 | _jb | i've found them to be almost equiv |
| 03:37.11 | Legendre | sorry, I mean the built-in vga modes. |
| 03:37.32 | _jb | same |
| 03:37.36 | Legendre | err, not.. |
| 03:38.00 | _jb | i've been using X.org for a little while now, it's a good thing |
| 03:38.07 | _jb | mainly because it just works |
| 03:38.22 | _jb | and just works well enough, a little tuning if you want it.. but it's not needed |
| 03:39.02 | canllaith | I love that about fish :) |
| 03:39.06 | _jb | mmm fish |
| 03:39.15 | _jb | fish is what converted me to KDE |
| 03:39.58 | snugglemonkey | you know how bad it sucked to ssh and try to program a website without knowing which image was which? |
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| 03:40.27 | aporler | help me please / aidezsmoi svp |
| 03:40.40 | snugglemonkey | Fish is definately a gift from the gods to the people. |
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| 03:41.11 | snugglemonkey | ask way aporler |
| 03:41.30 | aporler | me prob is kppp code error 17 |
| 03:41.37 | aporler | why? |
| 03:41.59 | snugglemonkey | anyone use kppp? |
| 03:42.35 | _jb | aporler: does kppp crash first? |
| 03:42.48 | aporler | speack french ? |
| 03:42.57 | aporler | my english is NULL |
| 03:43.03 | _jb | nope |
| 03:43.05 | aporler | k |
| 03:43.06 | _jb | sorry :( |
| 03:43.10 | aporler | one momant |
| 03:43.16 | jadrian | I think that is a pppd problem |
| 03:43.19 | _jb | ce n'est pas un francais |
| 03:43.24 | jadrian | not a kppp one |
| 03:43.44 | jadrian | that is, kppp is just a frontend to pppd |
| 03:43.49 | jadrian | and pppd is dying |
| 03:43.53 | aporler | _jb kppp connect |
| 03:44.04 | thiago | why is it dying? |
| 03:44.17 | aporler | and stop !!! for error code 17 |
| 03:44.20 | jadrian | by dying I mean, dying on him |
| 03:44.22 | jadrian | ;) |
| 03:44.27 | _jb | jadrian: you know, people say that.. but there are litterally hundreds of thousands of people in the US alone who only connect via ppp |
| 03:44.32 | jadrian | no no |
| 03:44.35 | jadrian | sorry |
| 03:44.36 | _jb | ah, sorry |
| 03:44.38 | _jb | missunderstood |
| 03:44.41 | jadrian | I mean not connecting |
| 03:44.43 | jadrian | my fault :) |
| 03:44.57 | aporler | ... errorcode 17 = The PPP negotiation failed because serial loopback was detected |
| 03:45.15 | _jb | funky. kernel ppp is something i haven't used in years |
| 03:45.28 | aporler | how to make to deviate that? ? |
| 03:45.35 | jadrian | aporler: http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20011022/002806.html |
| 03:45.42 | jadrian | aporler: maybe that helps :-/ |
| 03:46.03 | aporler | Thank you, I will see and test that |
| 03:46.27 | aporler | maybe |
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| 03:52.32 | aporler | jadrian no :( |
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| 03:52.57 | snugglemonkey | aporler: what is the connect speed? |
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| 03:53.58 | aporler | Modemor server ? |
| 03:54.03 | snugglemonkey | modem |
| 03:54.08 | aporler | 56k |
| 03:54.30 | snugglemonkey | what is ppp set to? |
| 03:54.40 | snugglemonkey | Is there a configuration for ppp? |
| 03:55.14 | aporler | yes |
| 03:55.27 | snugglemonkey | what speed is ppp trying to connect? |
| 03:56.31 | aporler | Speed connection 57600 |
| 03:56.55 | snugglemonkey | can you slow that down? |
| 03:59.03 | aporler | I have to test and even error |
| 03:59.42 | snugglemonkey | it was the same error at slower speed? |
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| 04:00.26 | aporler | yes |
| 04:00.33 | aseigo | god dammit . my cat keeps trying to make off with my chocolate cookies |
| 04:00.49 | snugglemonkey | aseigo: you need a laser pointer to keep the cat busy. |
| 04:01.10 | jadrian | or a dog |
| 04:01.14 | snugglemonkey | aporler: I am looking for things to help you. I am not doing well. :( |
| 04:01.42 | Renze | ow! |
| 04:02.15 | aporler | That is not serious if you do not find anything |
| 04:02.20 | snugglemonkey | maybe you guys can help aporler. i haven't used that connection style ever. |
| 04:02.27 | canllaith | she's asleep aseigo |
| 04:02.36 | canllaith | although she prolly appreciates sleep-snuggles |
| 04:03.11 | snugglemonkey | whoa. spooning. that's cool. digital spooning. |
| 04:03.22 | snugglemonkey | cyber spoon. |
| 04:03.25 | snugglemonkey | :/ |
| 04:03.34 | aseigo | there is no cyberspoon |
| 04:03.39 | snugglemonkey | hah. |
| 04:03.48 | aporler | Goodses pareil, maize je dois to leave |
| 04:04.09 | snugglemonkey | aporler: sorry we could not help. :( |
| 04:04.09 | aporler | thx |
| 04:04.18 | snugglemonkey | aporler: goodnight. |
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| 04:07.42 | aseigo | snugglemonkey: likely windows |
| 04:07.56 | aseigo | or on another machine |
| 04:08.19 | snugglemonkey | Well, if the connection is made already, wouldn't it hit the loopback because a line isn't available? |
| 04:08.24 | snugglemonkey | I dunno, just weird. |
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| 04:22.22 | Abood | hi all, guys is there any way to make desklets under KDE on Fedora Core 2 ??? |
| 04:23.03 | aseigo | desklets? like gdesklets? sure.. check out superkaramba |
| 04:23.11 | aseigo | er.. desklets? like gdesklets? sure.. check out superkaramba |
| 04:23.12 | aseigo | there =P |
| 04:23.23 | Abood | like gdesklets |
| 04:23.28 | Renze | are we yelling now? |
| 04:23.38 | aseigo | YES WE ARE ... CAN YOU HEAR ME? |
| 04:23.49 | Renze | PARDON? |
| 04:24.43 | aseigo | Abood: you can find it on kde-apps.org, btw |
| 04:24.45 | Abood | aseigo, yes man i need a programm like gdesklets but under kde 3.2.x |
| 04:24.56 | aseigo | Abood: right, superkaramba |
| 04:24.58 | Renze | http://netdragon.sourceforge.net |
| 04:25.24 | Abood | yes thx guys :) |
| 04:31.25 | jcook | in ksysguard ... what's the topbar for? |
| 04:31.29 | jcook | "topbar" |
| 04:33.36 | Zenethian | I still don't understand what superkaramba is. |
| 04:34.08 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: Superkaramba is like a gift from god... it's right up there with "Fish" in konq. |
| 04:34.17 | Zenethian | I still don't understand what superkaramba is. |
| 04:34.18 | Zenethian | =) |
| 04:34.32 | snugglemonkey | I lets you pimp out your desktop with bling'n eyecandy. |
| 04:34.40 | Zenethian | as far as I can tell its a theme engine. |
| 04:34.43 | snugglemonkey | look at kde look dot org. |
| 04:34.58 | snugglemonkey | It has a menu to click for Superkaramba, and you can look at the themes. |
| 04:35.10 | Abood | aseigo, do u have any idea about this error (make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 |
| 04:35.10 | Abood | ) ?? |
| 04:35.14 | snugglemonkey | ... yeah, it's like a theme engine... in python. |
| 04:35.28 | aseigo | Abood: you'd have to paste some earlier lines.. that's just the last "i'm bailing out" error.. |
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| 04:35.30 | Zenethian | hmm |
| 04:35.57 | Zenethian | when I run it, and close the welcome screen... it closes out completely. I guess I have to actually load a theme huh? |
| 04:36.15 | jcook | so noone knows what the 'top bar' represents hey |
| 04:36.38 | Zenethian | um |
| 04:36.41 | Zenethian | I don't even see a "topbar" |
| 04:37.17 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: don't close it. |
| 04:37.30 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: well..... don't close it with the button close... |
| 04:38.05 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: You need to close it with the X button up there on the top right, because if you press close it will terminate SK, which needs to keep running for the theemes. |
| 04:38.49 | Zenethian | oh. |
| 04:38.57 | Zenethian | kinda unintuitive. |
| 04:39.10 | snugglemonkey | yeah, I'm sure there'll be changes soon. |
| 04:39.18 | Zenethian | if I close it with the X button the bomb goes away too. |
| 04:39.22 | Zenethian | I'll just try and load a theme. |
| 04:40.02 | Zenethian | there we go,that worked. |
| 04:40.20 | snugglemonkey | what does afk mean? |
| 04:40.29 | Zenethian | away from keyboard. |
| 04:40.30 | Renze | away from keyboard |
| 04:40.32 | snugglemonkey | ahaha. |
| 04:40.38 | snugglemonkey | bak? |
| 04:40.47 | snugglemonkey | back at keyboard? |
| 04:40.52 | Renze | bingo |
| 04:40.54 | snugglemonkey | damn. |
| 04:41.01 | snugglemonkey | I'm ready to be a developer for sure. |
| 04:41.10 | snugglemonkey | lol |
| 04:41.22 | Zenethian | well I like this weather thingy |
| 04:41.31 | Zenethian | except .. it WONT MOVE |
| 04:41.41 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: right click, toggle locked position. |
| 04:41.43 | Renze | unlock it |
| 04:41.49 | Zenethian | oh yeah, I got it. |
| 04:41.50 | Zenethian | hehe |
| 04:41.53 | Zenethian | just as I said it. |
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| 04:42.56 | Zenethian | it has a funky little black box to the right of it. |
| 04:42.57 | Zenethian | weird. |
| 04:43.02 | Renze | i'm nowhere near your back... what're you implying? :) |
| 04:43.21 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: make sure you right click and configure for your locale. |
| 04:43.28 | Zenethian | gotcha |
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| 04:43.52 | CLucas916 | has anyone installed kde 3.4 via emerge? |
| 04:44.18 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 04:44.46 | Zenethian | erm, right click on the box or the bomb icon? |
| 04:44.52 | Dhraakellian | I used the monolithic ebuilds |
| 04:45.01 | snugglemonkey | the weather box |
| 04:45.22 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: r-click on box, config theme |
| 04:46.36 | Zenethian | yeah, but there's still a big black box in the background. |
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| 04:46.58 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: are you in kde? |
| 04:47.16 | Zenethian | yeah |
| 04:47.19 | Zenethian | 3.3.2 |
| 04:47.51 | snugglemonkey | I've only heard of that with one other person... they were not in kde. Another compliant of a "similar" thing was when someone was using VNC |
| 04:48.06 | snugglemonkey | ftp://ftp.immersi.com/outgoing/dump1.png |
| 04:48.27 | snugglemonkey | It works on 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4 for me so far. I wonder wassup? |
| 04:48.37 | Zenethian | dunno |
| 04:48.45 | Zenethian | its superkaramba .35 |
| 04:48.56 | snugglemonkey | yep, that's the right one. |
| 04:48.57 | Zenethian | and its cold there, dude. ; ) |
| 04:49.04 | snugglemonkey | no sheiite. |
| 04:49.20 | snugglemonkey | We're approaching absolute zero. |
| 04:49.33 | Zenethian | wanna see a screenie for mine? |
| 04:49.48 | snugglemonkey | sure... before that... |
| 04:50.01 | snugglemonkey | right click and pick a different background, just for giggles. |
| 04:50.13 | snugglemonkey | r-cllick, configure, background |
| 04:50.32 | NamShub | snugglemonkey: what is that "processes connecting out" applet? |
| 04:50.56 | snugglemonkey | hm.... it is something from TDE. |
| 04:51.05 | Zenethian | nope, its constant. |
| 04:51.07 | snugglemonkey | I just take the background images out. |
| 04:51.13 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: crazy |
| 04:51.17 | NamShub | ok thanks |
| 04:51.31 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: you need a linky, or you got it? |
| 04:51.38 | Zenethian | Oh, I found out. |
| 04:51.46 | Zenethian | its the graphic I have on my background. how odd. |
| 04:52.00 | snugglemonkey | wow. |
| 04:52.08 | Zenethian | if I change from Ancient Glyphs to something else bigger, it works. |
| 04:52.14 | NamShub | snugglemonkey: I got it, but it got ugly frames |
| 04:52.16 | snugglemonkey | I definately want to see a dump of the error and fix then. |
| 04:52.20 | Zenethian | haha |
| 04:52.24 | Zenethian | it doesn't tile correct. |
| 04:52.28 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: I can help you wiht that. |
| 04:52.29 | Zenethian | it works great for a whole image |
| 04:52.45 | Zenethian | but for tiled images, if the tile is smaller than the area, it b0rks. |
| 04:52.53 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: right click, edit theme, and let me know where you are. |
| 04:53.41 | NamShub | ok, got it :) |
| 04:53.59 | snugglemonkey | join channel sk035 |
| 04:54.43 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: Join that channel and i will paste what you need to change. If I do it in here, i will get in trouble. |
| 04:57.05 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: you are welcome. I'm sure I'll need it later. |
| 04:58.07 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: the best thing to have is that penguin you see at the bottom of the screen. |
| 04:58.23 | snugglemonkey | That thing lets you view /var/messages as it tails the file. |
| 04:59.25 | NamShub | but my msg log is read-only by root..? |
| 05:01.00 | snugglemonkey | Hmm... |
| 05:01.05 | snugglemonkey | that can change... |
| 05:01.16 | Zenethian | hum, is it possible to make the pager show window images? |
| 05:01.40 | canllaith | Zenethian: either pager v2 from kde-apps.org |
| 05:01.45 | canllaith | or, launch the pager standalone |
| 05:01.49 | canllaith | and turn it on through there |
| 05:01.58 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: I think it might not hurt to let people read the file. |
| 05:02.14 | Zenethian | hrm |
| 05:02.18 | NamShub | yea probably right. |
| 05:02.30 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: now that I think about it. Mine used to be root read write only... |
| 05:02.36 | snugglemonkey | hm.. interesting. |
| 05:03.02 | Zenethian | well, i turned it on but it still doesn't show up like that in the applet. hrm |
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| 05:04.47 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: do you think that pager2 will play nice with kde 3.3.9 or whatever it is I'm running? |
| 05:04.55 | canllaith | not sure |
| 05:05.00 | canllaith | I know it works with 3.3.2 |
| 05:05.02 | canllaith | but just try it |
| 05:05.06 | canllaith | sorry |
| 05:05.09 | canllaith | yeah, 3.3.2 |
| 05:05.11 | snugglemonkey | will do... |
| 05:05.23 | snugglemonkey | Zenethian: what is wrong? |
| 05:05.45 | Zenethian | hm? |
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| 05:05.59 | Zenethian | Oh, I'll just have to wait for kde 3.4 really. |
| 05:06.00 | Zenethian | hehe |
| 05:06.05 | Zenethian | its not a priority |
| 05:06.29 | canllaith | wait for what ? |
| 05:06.31 | snugglemonkey | The new kpackage is neat. |
| 05:06.32 | canllaith | it works fine in kde 3.3 |
| 05:07.04 | Zenethian | I don't wanna download kpager v2 |
| 05:07.06 | Zenethian | :) |
| 05:07.17 | Zenethian | too much trouble for not enough pleasure. |
| 05:07.18 | NamShub | karamba really ought to implement "profile" |
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| 05:07.45 | canllaith | it isn't in kde 3.4 |
| 05:07.50 | canllaith | so yo ll be waiting a looong time. |
| 05:07.53 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: ? Profile? |
| 05:08.04 | Zenethian | I could have sworn that the kde 3.4 pager had that ability. |
| 05:08.05 | Zenethian | hrmm |
| 05:08.10 | canllaith | Zenethian: I am running it. |
| 05:08.12 | canllaith | it can't |
| 05:08.13 | NamShub | yes. instead of pointing to a .theme, you could select a profile |
| 05:08.18 | NamShub | that would load all .themes |
| 05:08.23 | Zenethian | hrmrm |
| 05:08.31 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: some themes do. |
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| 05:08.44 | snugglemonkey | You could write python to pull up the ones you want. |
| 05:08.48 | NamShub | yes but I would like this to be a user setting |
| 05:08.53 | canllaith | however |
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| 05:08.59 | canllaith | kde 3.3.x pager can do that run standalone |
| 05:09.09 | CLucas916 | anyone install kde 3.4 via emerge? |
| 05:09.10 | snugglemonkey | NamShub: if you close down, it will load them up for you too when you log in. |
| 05:09.42 | snugglemonkey | CLucas916: Dhraakellian said he has, earlier. |
| 05:09.47 | canllaith | Zenethian: you can do this http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/kde.png |
| 05:09.50 | canllaith | note top right corner |
| 05:09.56 | CLucas916 | oh |
| 05:10.06 | CLucas916 | well i need to know how to get past the hard mask |
| 05:10.37 | Dhraakellian | yeah, I did |
| 05:10.48 | Dhraakellian | didn't use your highlights, though |
| 05:11.13 | CLucas916 | Dhraakellian, what did u do to the files in /etc/portage/ |
| 05:11.14 | CLucas916 | ? |
| 05:11.42 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: does taskbar two show up as an applet? |
| 05:11.53 | canllaith | taskbar v2 ? depends if you have it installed or not |
| 05:12.02 | snugglemonkey | i did just install it. |
| 05:12.08 | Dhraakellian | CLucas916: look in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask |
| 05:12.17 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 05:12.18 | canllaith | then look again |
| 05:12.29 | Dhraakellian | add the appropriate packages to your /etc/portage/package.unmask |
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| 05:14.12 | CLucas916 | Dhraakellian, ahh so are all those uncommented packages being masked? |
| 05:14.55 | Zenethian | ya just gotta kicker it around. |
| 05:15.25 | snugglemonkey | hmm... no pager2 |
| 05:15.33 | Zenethian | yay, pager2 doesn't build on my machine. |
| 05:16.00 | canllaith | yeah |
| 05:16.06 | snugglemonkey | hah... I downloaded mtaskbarv2 |
| 05:16.07 | canllaith | I think I had to grab an earlier version |
| 05:16.12 | canllaith | the last version that wasn't standalone |
| 05:16.13 | Dhraakellian | CLucas916: yeah |
| 05:16.16 | snugglemonkey | I didn't get pager 2. :) |
| 05:16.16 | Zenethian | wee |
| 05:16.18 | Dhraakellian | look for kdebase |
| 05:16.22 | CLucas916 | ahh oh |
| 05:16.23 | CLucas916 | ok |
| 05:16.48 | CLucas916 | ya all the kde 3.4 stuff is masked |
| 05:17.36 | Dhraakellian | I went with the monolithic ebuilds, personally |
| 05:17.37 | Zenethian | lets try the old version. |
| 05:17.47 | CLucas916 | ahh |
| 05:17.50 | CLucas916 | ok cool |
| 05:17.53 | Dhraakellian | I wasn't feeling quite adventurous enough to go with the split ebuilds |
| 05:18.18 | snugglemonkey | good night all |
| 05:18.24 | Zenethian | kpager2 just seems like its very poorly written. |
| 05:18.33 | Zenethian | even the old version has quite a lot of warnings. |
| 05:19.10 | CLucas916 | Dhraakellian, ohh |
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| 06:02.13 | Roey | hello |
| 06:02.32 | Roey | I've compiled KDE CVS hoping for that translucent KWin action. How do I enable it? |
| 06:05.03 | aseigo | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/translucency.png |
| 06:05.26 | canllaith | notification popup heh |
| 06:08.11 | Roey | It seems that alpha channel support is not available. |
| 06:08.11 | Roey | Please make sure you have Xorg ≥ 6.8, and installed the kompmgr that came with kwin. |
| 06:08.11 | Roey | Also, make sure you have the following entries in your XConfig (e.g. /etc/X11/xorg.conf): |
| 06:08.32 | Roey | there is no kompmgr here |
| 06:08.35 | Roey | in /opt/kde/bin |
| 06:09.30 | canllaith | Roey: you get that message if you don't have the composite extension loaded..... |
| 06:09.36 | Roey | OH |
| 06:09.36 | Roey | ok |
| 06:09.37 | Roey | thanks then |
| 06:09.50 | canllaith | :) look at where it asks you about the entries in the XConfig |
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| 06:11.39 | Roey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:11.50 | Roey | hmm |
| 06:11.53 | canllaith | you're running the correct version of kwin ? |
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| 06:12.04 | canllaith | erm |
| 06:12.06 | canllaith | I meant xorg |
| 06:12.09 | Roey | when I right click on window title and go to "configure window behavior", nothing happens |
| 06:12.11 | Roey | weird |
| 06:12.16 | Roey | =) |
| 06:12.19 | Roey | me2 |
| 06:14.30 | snugglemonkey | Roey: Are you using any sort of VNC or remote desktop software? |
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| 06:45.39 | sycofly | hey |
| 06:47.12 | sycofly | is there a mind map tool with KDe ? |
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| 07:17.15 | zqxs | how can I setup daylight savings to work with KDE |
| 07:17.30 | marcusU | I don't think that that's a KDE-specific issue. |
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| 07:32.57 | chimaera | hi. can konqui be used as a news-reader? perfect would be an additional tab within the nav-panel which holds the feeds. |
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| 07:33.12 | chimaera | (like sage for firefox) |
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| 07:35.11 | chimaera | re.. |
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| 07:38.38 | zqxs | konqueror? |
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| 07:39.51 | chimaera | huh? |
| 07:41.11 | zqxs | what's konqui? |
| 07:41.25 | nordkapp | chimaera: news-reader; not to my knowledge, use knode. RSS-feeds, i dont know but i cant remember i have seen that in konqueror. |
| 07:41.54 | chimaera | zqxs: konqueror ;) |
| 07:41.57 | zqxs | konqueror has a sidebar newsticker for rss feeds |
| 07:42.30 | chimaera | nordkapp: well, rss-feeds is what i want ;) |
| 07:42.42 | chimaera | zqxs: a hint to get me started? |
| 07:42.44 | zqxs | ah yes konqueror heh |
| 07:42.45 | nordkapp | zqxs: cool :-) (i didnt know, now i will try) |
| 07:42.51 | zqxs | yeah it's in kdeaddons |
| 07:44.22 | chimaera | zqxs: but you don't refer to knewsticker? |
| 07:44.36 | zqxs | well install kdeaddons then make sure the navigation panel is visible with F9, then right click an icon -> configure navigation panel -> add new -> newsticker |
| 07:45.01 | zqxs | nah, /kdeaddons/konq-plugins/sidebar/newsticker |
| 07:46.45 | chimaera | mhh, i have already installed konq-plugins, but only folder, sidabar module or media-player.. |
| 07:46.55 | chimaera | i guess it needs knewsticker |
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| 07:47.51 | zqxs | dunno. I have all of kdenetwork installed tho, so maybe |
| 07:48.20 | zqxs | also I'm using CVS |
| 07:48.36 | chimaera | i'm still on 3.3.1/2 |
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| 07:58.10 | DevSolar | Heya... after a package added two more icons to my KDE system toolbar - or perhaps a rogue click by me, I don't know - the toolbar suddenly has wide spaces between the icons, which makes the whole KDE bar wider-than-screen and *scrolling*... how can I resize the system toolbar to get rid of the spaces? Help? |
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| 07:59.28 | DevSolar | Sorry. Seems to be my day of rogue clicks. ;) |
| 07:59.45 | zqxs | chimaera: looks like 3.3.2 tarball has newsticker in it so make it does require knewsticker to also be installed, if it's not showing up. the newsticker is pretty simple, anyway. not many features. I use aKregator which has a nice Kontact plugin, which I use a lot. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15621 |
| 08:00.39 | zqxs | johnny69: $KDEDIR/include ? or $(kde-config --prefix)/include |
| 08:01.10 | chimaera | zqxs: well, i neither use contact nor akregator. at work i'm running firefox on my wintendo-box, and sage is pretty neat. i'm looking for a solution like this.. |
| 08:02.41 | chimaera | zqxs: ok, i have it working now. indeed, very basic. can i set up a 2nd, custom nav bar.. let's see. |
| 08:03.15 | zqxs | chimaera: did you need knewsticker installed after all? |
| 08:04.18 | zqxs | oh I see the README says kdenetwork/dcoprss should installed |
| 08:05.27 | chimaera | exactly.. that's what did the trick. |
| 08:06.05 | chimaera | i just wonder how get more feeds organized. i don't want them at the top-level of my nav-bar.. |
| 08:06.35 | zqxs | yeah that's what I wanted, a heirarchy |
| 08:07.36 | chimaera | mhh.. well, i guess i give contact+akregator a 2nd look ;) |
| 08:09.58 | zqxs | akregator can be run without kontact but since I use it a lot, the plugin is nice |
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| 08:12.05 | chimaera | zqxs: well, i use kmail anyway, so integration won't hurt. anyhow, is it now possible to adjust font-sizes within akkegator? the last time i tested the konqui settings have been ignored, resulting in way too large fonts.. |
| 08:12.42 | zqxs | font size changes is what I want also lol |
| 08:13.01 | zqxs | it uses a font from the system fonts, I think "general" or something |
| 08:13.49 | chimaera | zqxs: i don't think so, because i have no font set as big as akregator displaying them ;) |
| 08:14.00 | zqxs | the akregator guys said font options should be up soon, last I asked them probably a month ago. I haven't compiled any updates since then, though. if it's there now, it'll be in cvs |
| 08:14.32 | sycofly | Renze.. u awake |
| 08:15.49 | zqxs | heh good luck chimaera I was able to get things resized by messing with those fonts I remember, but I couldn't live with resizing the whole system, so for now I just squint. try #akregator tho |
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| 08:20.56 | Renze | awake? only partially |
| 08:21.43 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:22.13 | Renze | bob! |
| 08:22.20 | slayerbob | Renze! |
| 08:23.06 | slayerbob | so what you up to then ? |
| 08:23.14 | Renze | notalot |
| 08:23.21 | slayerbob | other than being only partially awake :P |
| 08:23.26 | slayerbob | not a lot ? |
| 08:23.28 | slayerbob | that sucks |
| 08:23.43 | Renze | 'tis the burdon of us that have no lives... |
| 08:23.48 | slayerbob | perhaps sycofly is about to bring you pizza and beer :D |
| 08:23.55 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 08:24.02 | slayerbob | how does one have no life ? |
| 08:24.03 | sycofly | Milo |
| 08:24.08 | slayerbob | mmmm milo |
| 08:24.30 | sycofly | i know and i still dont have any inhouse |
| 08:24.32 | slayerbob | although really milo is unlikely to cause fatality in itself |
| 08:24.47 | slayerbob | unless you had far too much of it and had to inhale it in large quantities |
| 08:25.33 | sycofly | idont inhale .. love that |
| 08:26.44 | slayerbob | so what are you all doing sitting on irc on a friday night ? |
| 08:26.53 | slayerbob | sycofly and Renze i mean :P |
| 08:27.19 | Renze | um, it's Sunday night, dude :) |
| 08:27.28 | slayerbob | sunday ? |
| 08:27.29 | slayerbob | :| |
| 08:27.36 | slayerbob | you're kidding right ? |
| 08:27.46 | Renze | Sun Jan 30 21:27:25 NZDT 2005 |
| 08:27.55 | slayerbob | curious |
| 08:28.01 | slayerbob | my clock just says "Late evening" |
| 08:28.26 | slayerbob | i only just realised why i am so groggy |
| 08:28.35 | sycofly | no Renze .. its friday night |
| 08:28.43 | sycofly | wake up man |
| 08:28.43 | slayerbob | ran out of diet coke yesterday :( |
| 08:28.50 | sycofly | lol |
| 08:28.55 | Renze | sycofly: you ain't foolin' me |
| 08:28.59 | slayerbob | luckily i found a stack of V in the fridge :P |
| 08:29.06 | sycofly | i was close tho are Renze |
| 08:29.13 | Renze | Veeeeeee! |
| 08:29.18 | sycofly | yack |
| 08:29.19 | slayerbob | mmmm V |
| 08:29.31 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 08:29.34 | sycofly | no |
| 08:29.46 | slayerbob | my brother has returned from the supermarket and there are glass bottle clanking sounds |
| 08:29.58 | Renze | boozy sounds? |
| 08:30.20 | slayerbob | it would appear so |
| 08:31.01 | sycofly | with cvs .. do i have to checkout a file to work on or can I just work on one in and upload itwhen in ready .. a |
| 08:31.29 | sycofly | booze .. hmmmm .. hasnt had a beer for weeks .. like b4 xmas |
| 08:31.35 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:31.46 | sycofly | Ooh |
| 08:31.54 | sycofly | lol |
| 08:32.14 | sycofly | i love red wine but |
| 08:32.38 | slayerbob | must get me some more |
| 08:33.21 | slayerbob | i should probably make a still |
| 08:33.23 | slayerbob | but meh |
| 08:33.26 | slayerbob | i am far too lazy |
| 08:33.49 | Renze | stills are a good source of cheap booze |
| 08:34.01 | slayerbob | plus i am sure my liver will thank me for the lack of a still :P |
| 08:34.19 | Renze | you only liver once |
| 08:34.21 | slayerbob | otoh, programming goes so much better when inebriated :) |
| 08:34.38 | slayerbob | Renze: oh i would just make another one if this one failed for some reason |
| 08:34.40 | Renze | uh oh... puns... |
| 08:34.42 | slayerbob | but it would be a pain |
| 08:34.57 | Renze | puns are always a bad sign |
| 08:35.08 | slayerbob | yes they are a sign that you need more liquor |
| 08:35.15 | slayerbob | i am stranded atm |
| 08:35.16 | Renze | yup |
| 08:35.22 | slayerbob | cos i paid something like $800 of bills this week |
| 08:35.33 | Renze | wow |
| 08:35.34 | slayerbob | and am down to $3 until either i have a customer or tuesday |
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| 08:35.44 | Flendor | Hello! |
| 08:35.46 | slayerbob | at least all the bills are paid :P |
| 08:35.50 | slayerbob | hiya Flendor :P |
| 08:35.57 | Flendor | Heya Bob |
| 08:35.58 | Renze | hola Flendor |
| 08:35.59 | Flendor | How goes? |
| 08:36.03 | Flendor | Hello Renze, how goes? |
| 08:36.18 | Renze | it goes... |
| 08:36.34 | slayerbob | it does ? |
| 08:36.55 | Renze | well, no... but I like to think it will eventually |
| 08:36.56 | Flendor | Does? :S Does what? |
| 08:37.08 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:37.43 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 08:37.53 | slayerbob | would it be bad if i removed the power switch from the tv here ? |
| 08:38.07 | Flendor | Heh, don't know.. |
| 08:38.11 | slayerbob | i am thinking that that would prevent people from turning it on :D |
| 08:38.11 | Flendor | ..gotta reboot tho. :/ |
| 08:38.16 | slayerbob | reboot ? |
| 08:38.19 | slayerbob | you only just got here |
| 08:38.25 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:38.28 | slayerbob | and there he goes |
| 08:38.46 | slayerbob | so noone awake except us kiwis huh ? |
| 08:38.54 | Renze | seems that way |
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| 08:39.34 | slayerbob | ah well |
| 08:39.48 | slayerbob | damn |
| 08:39.56 | slayerbob | they figured out how to turn the tv back on :( |
| 08:40.10 | slayerbob | i thought that switching it off at the switch on the front would stump them for a while |
| 08:40.12 | slayerbob | but no :( |
| 08:40.23 | Renze | should |
| 08:40.25 | Renze | whoops |
| 08:40.33 | Renze | should've unplugged it too |
| 08:40.45 | slayerbob | should've pulled the fuse :P |
| 08:40.52 | slayerbob | or the electron gun :P |
| 08:41.09 | Renze | should've gutted the thing and converted it into a fish tank |
| 08:41.19 | slayerbob | indeed |
| 08:41.47 | slayerbob | movie sounds like the shawshank redemption |
| 08:42.13 | slayerbob | sounds like it is almost finished |
| 08:42.23 | slayerbob | don't you watch tv Renze ? |
| 08:42.41 | Renze | slayerbob: only if there is something worth watching on |
| 08:42.55 | slayerbob | there are things worth watching on the tv these days ? |
| 08:42.56 | slayerbob | :| |
| 08:43.00 | Renze | which is rare these days |
| 08:43.03 | slayerbob | ah |
| 08:43.04 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:43.13 | slayerbob | i got fed up with the ads |
| 08:43.20 | slayerbob | so i just do not watch it any more |
| 08:43.23 | slayerbob | have not done for years |
| 08:44.04 | Renze | us sods with no life need something to keep us off the streets |
| 08:44.09 | slayerbob | irc ? |
| 08:44.22 | slayerbob | how can you live in wellington and have no life ? |
| 08:44.23 | Renze | that works part of the time |
| 08:44.27 | slayerbob | isn't it like party central ? |
| 08:44.33 | Renze | I've only been here since September |
| 08:44.34 | slayerbob | well... always has been when i have gone there :P |
| 08:44.39 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:44.47 | slayerbob | you must have moved around the same time as we did then Renze :P |
| 08:44.58 | Renze | and pubs and nightclubs are places I don't like very much |
| 08:45.13 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:45.18 | slayerbob | just go to the student pubs :P |
| 08:45.22 | slayerbob | they can be entertaining |
| 08:45.41 | slayerbob | i should think there would be plenty of those in wellington |
| 08:45.43 | Renze | need to find out where they are... and have enough money for drinks... |
| 08:45.52 | slayerbob | nah just look cute |
| 08:45.57 | slayerbob | and people will buy you drinks |
| 08:46.11 | Renze | not possible, I'm afraid |
| 08:46.18 | slayerbob | not possible ? |
| 08:46.19 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 08:46.32 | slayerbob | it is always possible to look cute :P |
| 08:46.45 | Renze | not for me |
| 08:46.59 | slayerbob | sure it is |
| 08:47.17 | Renze | closest I can pull off is "pathetic" |
| 08:47.21 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:48.22 | slayerbob | i shall have to come up with canllaith on one of her trips and apply the slayerbob styling techniques to you :P |
| 08:48.39 | Renze | bah |
| 08:48.48 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:48.54 | sycofly | heh |
| 08:50.25 | sycofly | Renze.. http://www.nzdating.com/ |
| 08:50.34 | slayerbob | whaddya reckon sycofly ? think we can style Renze enough for him to pick someone up at a student pub ? |
| 08:50.37 | Renze | sycofly: already on there |
| 08:50.42 | sycofly | me too |
| 08:50.49 | slayerbob | me too |
| 08:50.57 | slayerbob | but only cos i maintain one of their competitors :P |
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| 08:51.01 | Flendor | Back! |
| 08:51.02 | sycofly | well .. why not .. |
| 08:51.06 | slayerbob | gotta keep track of what the competition is doing :P |
| 08:51.16 | sycofly | i have just finished been a student too myself |
| 08:51.32 | slayerbob | oh excellent you'll be able to take Renze around all the student pubs then :P |
| 08:51.39 | slayerbob | i used to know where they were :( |
| 08:51.46 | sycofly | & i have turned 41 |
| 08:51.51 | slayerbob | but has been 10 years since i visited wellington as a student |
| 08:52.18 | slayerbob | i found it easier to just drop out of school |
| 08:52.18 | Flendor | Wait..That calculation cannot be right. |
| 08:52.33 | slayerbob | <-- dropout |
| 08:52.33 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:52.48 | Flendor | LOL |
| 08:53.02 | sycofly | & 36 I decided to de a degree and picked IT for it was easy to spell |
| 08:53.08 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:53.15 | slayerbob | TI is easy to spell |
| 08:53.15 | slayerbob | ? |
| 08:53.17 | slayerbob | um |
| 08:53.18 | slayerbob | crap |
| 08:53.20 | slayerbob | *IT |
| 08:53.24 | sycofly | lmao |
| 08:53.30 | sycofly | bloodly hell |
| 08:53.44 | slayerbob | i thought you had run out of alcohol sycofly :P |
| 08:53.54 | slayerbob | can you do degrees in IT now ? |
| 08:54.05 | slayerbob | when i went through you could only do computer science |
| 08:54.19 | slayerbob | and the people teaching it knew somewhat less than half the people in my physics class |
| 08:55.07 | slayerbob | might have to get me some tequila :P |
| 08:55.21 | slayerbob | so what are you studying Flendor ? |
| 08:55.28 | Flendor | Mechanical Engineering |
| 08:55.32 | slayerbob | oh nice |
| 08:55.38 | Flendor | Thank you. |
| 08:55.44 | slayerbob | is one of those subjects that teaches you useful stuff :P |
| 08:55.48 | Flendor | Mind you, I passed my class of Kinetics (with a D+ :P ) |
| 08:55.51 | slayerbob | like math :P |
| 08:55.57 | Flendor | Bah, I hate math |
| 08:55.58 | slayerbob | you can pass with a D+ ? |
| 08:56.00 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:56.11 | Flendor | And I still have to pass Differential Equations :/ |
| 08:56.13 | sycofly | slayerbob.. BIT = Bachelor Information Technology |
| 08:56.20 | slayerbob | sycofly: at vic ? |
| 08:56.22 | Flendor | Hehe, I didn'T know we could..Was a pleasant surprise :) |
| 08:56.32 | slayerbob | Flendor: heh |
| 08:56.33 | sycofly | yes and others |
| 08:56.43 | sycofly | i.e. WelTec |
| 08:56.49 | slayerbob | sycofly: nice - i shall have to see if they have any remote tutoring positions available :P |
| 08:57.03 | slayerbob | um |
| 08:57.07 | slayerbob | forget that |
| 08:57.12 | sycofly | rgr that |
| 08:57.14 | slayerbob | :'( |
| 08:57.27 | Flendor | Aww |
| 08:57.38 | Flendor | Well you probably know more than many graduates.. |
| 08:57.41 | slayerbob | :D |
| 08:57.43 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:57.46 | sycofly | i soent 20 years as a panel beater now me an IT bish |
| 08:57.47 | slayerbob | i doubt it |
| 08:57.50 | sycofly | spent* |
| 08:58.13 | slayerbob | i spent 10 years as a quantum physicist and now me an IT consultant :( |
| 08:58.17 | slayerbob | um |
| 08:58.25 | slayerbob | dammit is there vodka in this V or something ? |
| 08:58.31 | sycofly | yes .. |
| 08:58.34 | Flendor | You spent 10 years as a quantum physicist, without a degree? |
| 08:58.38 | sycofly | thats what the V is for slayerbob |
| 08:59.02 | sycofly | hehe |
| 08:59.03 | slayerbob | sycofly: apparently so |
| 08:59.10 | Flendor | Hehe |
| 08:59.14 | Flendor | What is V? |
| 08:59.20 | Flendor | Valkyrie? Vlad? |
| 08:59.22 | slayerbob | www.vitalise.com |
| 08:59.31 | Flendor | </max payne reference> |
| 08:59.57 | Flendor | Let me look at it.. |
| 09:00.13 | slayerbob | staple diet for uni students and IT workers here :P |
| 09:00.17 | sycofly | slayerbob.. if you and canllaith arecoming up sometime be cool to meet up and drink Renze's Milo |
| 09:00.18 | slayerbob | well... that and red bull |
| 09:00.19 | Flendor | ..as soon as Firefox catches the click, that is :P |
| 09:00.38 | slayerbob | heh |
| 09:02.16 | Flendor | WE only have Nesquik here. |
| 09:02.30 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 09:02.36 | slayerbob | isn't milo made by nestle ? |
| 09:02.48 | Renze | yes, but it's only marketed in Australia and NZ |
| 09:02.54 | slayerbob | ah ok |
| 09:03.12 | Flendor | It's unfair..You guys got our Turkish delight, but we don't get your milo |
| 09:03.19 | slayerbob | it is unfair |
| 09:03.21 | Flendor | We don't get knagaroos and koalas either :P |
| 09:03.27 | slayerbob | we do not even want the turkish delight |
| 09:03.31 | Flendor | Duh, should be kangaroos |
| 09:03.35 | Flendor | Oh. :/ |
| 09:03.40 | Flendor | Well I think canny does |
| 09:03.46 | slayerbob | whenever a box of chocolates is being eaten it always ends up with all the turkish delights left |
| 09:03.53 | Renze | yup |
| 09:03.55 | slayerbob | mmmm kangaroo |
| 09:04.09 | Flendor | Can a kangaroo be eaten? |
| 09:04.13 | Flendor | By humans, that is |
| 09:04.14 | slayerbob | darned straight |
| 09:04.20 | slayerbob | well... if you can kill it |
| 09:04.25 | slayerbob | they tend to be a little violent |
| 09:04.26 | Flendor | What does it taste like, chicken? |
| 09:04.27 | Flendor | LOL |
| 09:04.38 | slayerbob | well they taste a bit like kangaroo |
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| 09:04.44 | Jerry-ku` | #gentoo-ro |
| 09:04.53 | sycofly | Flendor.. is slayerbob gets a few more customers he be willing to post you a packet of Milo |
| 09:05.00 | Jerry-ku` | sorry |
| 09:05.02 | sycofly | if* slayerbob |
| 09:05.07 | Jerry-ku` | :( |
| 09:05.08 | Flendor | \o/ |
| 09:05.25 | Flendor | And I'll post you every single variety of Turkish delight! |
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| 09:05.50 | Flendor | I dunno, I like hugging people |
| 09:05.54 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:05.58 | Flendor | Eh..maybe I shouldn't have said that :P |
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| 09:06.13 | Flendor | syco said you would post me a packet of milo |
| 09:06.17 | Flendor | That's why I hugged you |
| 09:06.21 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 09:06.29 | Flendor | Great, firefox crashed. |
| 09:06.35 | slayerbob | really ? |
| 09:06.38 | Renze | would it get past customs? |
| 09:06.40 | Flendor | Yes. |
| 09:06.41 | slayerbob | my firefox never crashes here :S |
| 09:06.45 | Flendor | And it doesn'T even close! |
| 09:06.53 | Flendor | Maybe it's because I'm using it with Billy's OS here |
| 09:06.57 | slayerbob | Renze: we sent things like that to korea and germany all the time without problems |
| 09:07.09 | sycofly | Billy's OS |
| 09:07.09 | slayerbob | i think it is only stuff coming into nz that causes problems |
| 09:07.10 | sycofly | lol |
| 09:07.26 | Flendor | Great, it's not responding to the three finger salute |
| 09:07.40 | slayerbob | most countries are not as restrictive as us when it comes to the importation of foodstuffs |
| 09:07.50 | slayerbob | i guess because we are on a little island and so can control it |
| 09:08.29 | Flendor | Great, firefox is gone. |
| 09:08.46 | Flendor | BTW, great news here! |
| 09:09.04 | slayerbob | firefox going is great news ? |
| 09:09.04 | Flendor | Yesterday I bought the digital camera that I've been wanting for like, 8 months :D |
| 09:09.13 | slayerbob | nice |
| 09:09.21 | slayerbob | did they release the replacement model yet ? |
| 09:09.27 | Renze | Flendor: great... now buy me one :) |
| 09:09.28 | slayerbob | or are they waiting until monday for that ? :P |
| 09:09.33 | Flendor | Nope, but they will soon since I bought the old model |
| 09:09.37 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:09.44 | Flendor | Renze - Hehe I will have to save for another 7 months :/ |
| 09:09.55 | Renze | Flendor: I'll wait :) |
| 09:10.00 | slayerbob | i usually buy stuff like that when our suppliers have a getting rid of end of product line sale |
| 09:10.18 | slayerbob | almost salary ? |
| 09:10.22 | Flendor | Yes. |
| 09:10.29 | slayerbob | what do you mean by that though... ? |
| 09:10.30 | Flendor | It's 200 $, so it's not a full salary, now is it? |
| 09:10.37 | slayerbob | ah :P |
| 09:10.46 | slayerbob | my income changes every week :( |
| 09:10.55 | slayerbob | is the only sucky thing about owning your own businesses :( |
| 09:10.55 | Flendor | But I get to listen to Rammstein at work (and pretty loud too). |
| 09:11.08 | Flendor | And lunches are from the bosses! :D |
| 09:11.14 | slayerbob | heh |
| 09:11.19 | slayerbob | my boss buys me lunch every day |
| 09:11.25 | Flendor | My father has his own business |
| 09:11.26 | slayerbob | cooks it himself most days |
| 09:11.34 | slayerbob | well... either he does or his girlfriend |
| 09:11.34 | Flendor | Hehe, my boss used to cook too |
| 09:11.40 | Flendor | Now we just buy doner wraps :P |
| 09:11.58 | Flendor | My father earns more now that he closed his shop :/ |
| 09:12.04 | slayerbob | heh |
| 09:12.10 | slayerbob | i earn more now that i closed my shop too :P |
| 09:12.23 | slayerbob | the $1000 a month telecom bills were killing me :P |
| 09:12.40 | Flendor | You closed the bus-internet cafe? |
| 09:12.41 | Flendor | :/ |
| 09:12.44 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 09:12.52 | slayerbob | no my computer store that i had a couple of years ago |
| 09:12.58 | Flendor | Oh. |
| 09:13.03 | slayerbob | there is just too much competition in christchurch for it to be viable |
| 09:13.36 | slayerbob | ? |
| 09:13.41 | Flendor | Christchurch |
| 09:13.53 | slayerbob | not sure what kind of joke you could make about that... |
| 09:14.00 | Flendor | I was going to say, "then open it in a mosque town" or something like that, but decided it was going to be a lame joke |
| 09:14.08 | slayerbob | a mosque town ? |
| 09:14.16 | Flendor | Well, church, mosque.. |
| 09:14.22 | slayerbob | i am fairly sure we have mosques here... |
| 09:14.23 | Flendor | er..forget it :P |
| 09:14.26 | slayerbob | ohhhhh... |
| 09:14.27 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:14.43 | Flendor | LOL |
| 09:14.51 | slayerbob | come to think of it there are a couple of big cafes in town |
| 09:14.52 | slayerbob | um |
| 09:14.54 | slayerbob | cathedrals |
| 09:15.18 | Flendor | My French teacher told me there was one cathedral in every city :/ |
| 09:15.27 | slayerbob | we had to rename our usenet group from nz.reg.christchurch.general to nz.reg.canterbury.general because we got too much religious spam |
| 09:15.33 | Flendor | LOL |
| 09:15.43 | slayerbob | is true |
| 09:15.51 | Flendor | Canterbury sounds pretty nice :) |
| 09:16.00 | slayerbob | there were big flame wars about it for maybe 3-4 years before we managed to get consensus |
| 09:16.36 | Flendor | Both are dead :P |
| 09:16.51 | sycofly | lol |
| 09:17.15 | slayerbob | heh |
| 09:17.16 | Flendor | Heh |
| 09:17.32 | slayerbob | one mailing list that i am on gets what seems like several hundred posts a day |
| 09:17.37 | slayerbob | the other gets maybe 10 - 20 |
| 09:17.56 | Flendor | Hmm..My Windows has gotten instable |
| 09:18.00 | Flendor | Gotta reboot..again.. |
| 09:18.03 | Flendor | See you in a bit.. |
| 09:18.04 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:18.32 | slayerbob | so does anyone have any recommendations for random programming languages to learn ? |
| 09:18.36 | Flendor | Great, it doesn't even reboot >:/ |
| 09:18.48 | slayerbob | am currently working on python |
| 09:18.57 | slayerbob | Flendor: microsoft does not want you to escape |
| 09:19.17 | Renze | slayerbob: done prolog? |
| 09:19.22 | slayerbob | nope |
| 09:19.27 | slayerbob | what is prolog good for ? |
| 09:19.31 | Renze | logic |
| 09:19.39 | slayerbob | i can already do logic myself :P |
| 09:19.45 | slayerbob | don't need a programming language for that :P |
| 09:19.47 | Renze | all about rules and predicates |
| 09:19.57 | Renze | good for AI |
| 09:19.58 | slayerbob | so you would use it for ai stuff ? |
| 09:20.01 | slayerbob | heh |
| 09:20.02 | Renze | yup |
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| 09:20.18 | slayerbob | ai is something i want to get into sometime soon |
| 09:20.53 | slayerbob | is a shame i am a dropout and not smart enough :( |
| 09:21.06 | slayerbob | hiya carles |
| 09:25.42 | slayerbob | oh fine ignore me then |
| 09:25.43 | slayerbob | :( |
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| 09:26.25 | Flendor | "Where is my mind..Where is my mind.." |
| 09:26.38 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:26.39 | slayerbob | wb Flendor |
| 09:26.44 | Flendor | Thank you, slayer :) |
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| 09:38.05 | timbobsteve | i am using gnome and enlightenment together.... but when I start up an app that requires the kdelib the apps don't seem to display properly... everything is BIG.... how can i fix this? |
| 09:39.56 | slayerbob | use kde as your desktop? |
| 09:40.47 | timbobsteve | no |
| 09:40.52 | timbobsteve | i am using gnome |
| 09:41.02 | timbobsteve | what are the config files for kde app themes ? |
| 09:41.05 | slayerbob | yes you said |
| 09:41.16 | slayerbob | if you use kde you most likely won't have that problem |
| 09:41.28 | timbobsteve | but i like enlightenment :/ |
| 09:41.32 | slayerbob | ah right :P |
| 09:41.42 | timbobsteve | and gnome and kde ruin E's effectiveness |
| 09:41.48 | slayerbob | so you want to keep using gnome+enlightenment, but you want your kde apps to work properly ? |
| 09:41.53 | timbobsteve | yes |
| 09:42.29 | slayerbob | is everything big or just the fonts ? |
| 09:42.47 | timbobsteve | um the fonts... but cause they are bigg all the buttons are too |
| 09:43.08 | slayerbob | ok run kcontrol |
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| 09:43.29 | slayerbob | and have a look at your font settings - you can most likely just set smaller fonts sizes and have the problem go away :) |
| 09:43.31 | timbobsteve | i only have the kde libs... not the full kde |
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| 09:43.48 | slayerbob | sredna probably knows how to fix that problem :) |
| 09:43.58 | sredna | Hi slayerbob :) |
| 09:44.05 | slayerbob | hiya sredna |
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| 09:44.34 | timbobsteve | sredna: how can i fix the fonts displaying incorrectly whenever u run amms that use the kdelib ? |
| 09:44.41 | timbobsteve | amms = apps |
| 09:44.48 | slayerbob | timbobsteve has gnome+enlightenment and when he runs kde apps the fonts are too big - he thinks he does not have kcontrol installed :S |
| 09:45.00 | slayerbob | and he did not like my suggestion of just using kde itself :P |
| 09:45.21 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:45.29 | timbobsteve | the gentoo emerge for kcontrol is maseked too.... |
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| 09:46.04 | arrummzen | Is there a way I can setup my Zaurus to work with korganizer? |
| 09:46.05 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:46.22 | slayerbob | timbobsteve: not sure what there is to apologise about :P |
| 09:47.00 | timbobsteve | slayerbob: me being a picky bastard ;) |
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| 09:47.08 | slayerbob | heh |
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| 09:51.17 | rabauke | Hello! |
| 09:51.43 | slayerbob | greetings! |
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| 09:52.33 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:52.45 | rabauke | Athough this might be off topic, is anyone using skype? I read about some issues depending on buffer etc. My main problem is that the sound is choppy, if that's the right word. Did anybody encounter the same issues and maybe resolve them? |
| 09:54.04 | slayerbob | rabauke: how fast is your connection to the net ? |
| 09:54.20 | rabauke | DSL |
| 09:54.21 | slayerbob | and the connection of the person you are speaking to... |
| 09:54.28 | sredna | Apart from not autostarting, not knowing that stop means stop, and not beeing able to go to #1 when start is pressed after the last track, the cddb stuff is MISERABLE. It hangs, doesn't work and bothers me with selecting which version of cddb info to use for the same CD multiple times :( |
| 09:54.35 | rabauke | both have DSL |
| 09:54.44 | sredna | And it can't be turned off |
| 09:54.48 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 09:55.02 | rabauke | Itt works using windows and skype, that's what's bugging me :( |
| 09:55.03 | sredna | Kscd is definately not ready fo release any time soon |
| 09:55.25 | slayerbob | rabauke: dsl should be mostly fine even without buffering :S |
| 09:55.44 | slayerbob | unless you have some process swamping the connection on one of the machines |
| 09:56.21 | rabauke | slayerbob: Yep, _should be_. No, nothing just email-checking and kopete |
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| 09:59.04 | rabauke | slayerbob: Do you use artsdsp -m skype to start skype? |
| 09:59.15 | slayerbob | i do not use skype |
| 09:59.22 | slayerbob | otherwise i would have provided more help by now :) |
| 09:59.25 | rabauke | slayerbob: Damn ;) |
| 09:59.38 | rabauke | slayerbob: thanks anyway |
| 09:59.55 | anis[x] | many people dont like php-nuke portal..emm..security matters |
| 09:59.56 | anis[x] | :/ |
| 10:00.06 | rabauke | next version of gnomemeeting will have SIP anyway |
| 10:00.17 | sredna | slayerbob: Before kscd went crazy, you said something about a problem I knew about, what was that? |
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| 10:00.48 | slayerbob | it was a problem timbobsteve was having with his fonts in kde apps running under gnome+enlightenment |
| 10:00.55 | slayerbob | but he has gone now :P |
| 10:01.05 | slayerbob | for some reason he did not like my suggestion of using kde :P |
| 10:01.14 | slayerbob | as it transpired he was using gentoo |
| 10:01.21 | sredna | Lol |
| 10:01.57 | sredna | Gnome does something weird to the screen resolution (dpi-wise) |
| 10:02.20 | slayerbob | i would not be at all surprised |
| 10:02.51 | slayerbob | i am not sure what the gnome developers have been up to, but it seems they have been making it worse for the past 18 months or so now :S |
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| 10:09.09 | sycofly | how do I empty the cache from my bash/system |
| 10:09.23 | slayerbob | sycofly: pico .bash_history |
| 10:09.33 | slayerbob | delete what you want :) |
| 10:09.36 | slayerbob | then resave |
| 10:09.48 | sycofly | Retrieving package data [ftp://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/dist/slackware/slackware-current/]...Cached |
| 10:09.58 | slayerbob | ohhhh |
| 10:10.15 | slayerbob | sycofly: download from debian.co.nz instead ? |
| 10:10.17 | sycofly | want is I dont want that cached .. i set |
| 10:10.29 | sycofly | iso only |
| 10:10.37 | sycofly | ineed packages |
| 10:10.41 | sycofly | cough |
| 10:10.55 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:11.10 | sycofly | i not able to reset the source from an aussie url to a kiwi one |
| 10:11.40 | slayerbob | what are you using to download ? |
| 10:11.49 | sycofly | and beening cable I need to keep off international sources .. u know what I meana |
| 10:11.56 | sycofly | slapt-get |
| 10:12.11 | slayerbob | ok i don't use slapt-get |
| 10:12.31 | sycofly | why dont we just hook into Renze proxy then im sweet |
| 10:12.35 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:12.58 | sycofly | over* |
| 10:13.05 | slayerbob | are the packages just part of the normal slack10 distribution ? |
| 10:13.10 | sycofly | yes |
| 10:13.24 | sycofly | 666 megs worth |
| 10:13.27 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:13.29 | slayerbob | that is a lot :P |
| 10:13.29 | sycofly | i know |
| 10:13.33 | sycofly | woot |
| 10:13.38 | slayerbob | considering that the entire distro is only 2 cds |
| 10:13.48 | sycofly | whats with that |
| 10:13.49 | sycofly | lol |
| 10:14.08 | sycofly | its a new app and i never tried this updating shit before |
| 10:14.17 | slayerbob | lol |
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| 10:14.30 | sycofly | i just hop from one release to the next like Renze does |
| 10:14.36 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:14.46 | Renze | um, I use Gentoo, dude |
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| 10:14.55 | sycofly | dam Renze takes a lot of crap in here |
| 10:15.00 | sycofly | oops |
| 10:15.01 | slayerbob | isn't that his job ? |
| 10:15.06 | sycofly | lol |
| 10:15.07 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:15.22 | slayerbob | although admitting to using gentoo is a little on the dodgy side :P |
| 10:15.35 | sycofly | dam right |
| 10:15.40 | Renze | I proudly use gentoo... I'm not a ricer |
| 10:15.42 | sycofly | just about worth a kick |
| 10:15.48 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:16.07 | kuja | http://www.shugotenshi.com/images/screenshot.png -- Oddly Korean works everywhere except playlists and tooltips on KDE. |
| 10:16.20 | slayerbob | if i had a blank dvd here i could just throw slack10 dvd iso onto it and put it on the courier tomorrow |
| 10:16.22 | kuja | The locales seem ot be in place, and I'm using the same font for everything except fixed-width. |
| 10:16.27 | kuja | s/ot/to/ |
| 10:16.27 | slayerbob | but i don't have any dvd blanks atm |
| 10:16.31 | sycofly | Renze.. show me a screen shot mate |
| 10:16.41 | Renze | sycofly: of what? |
| 10:16.53 | sycofly | desktop |
| 10:16.58 | sycofly | plz |
| 10:17.10 | Renze | why? it looks just like it did on my old LFS system. |
| 10:17.12 | sycofly | on ya mate |
| 10:17.19 | sycofly | ooh |
| 10:17.56 | Renze | it's nowhere near gentoo default. |
| 10:18.07 | sycofly | whats ya site homie ? |
| 10:18.34 | Renze | I don't have a site |
| 10:19.24 | Renze | I have nothing worth cluttering an already cluttered web with |
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| 10:23.58 | slayerbob | what is that sycofly ? |
| 10:24.02 | slayerbob | some kind of machine learning app ? |
| 10:24.13 | sycofly | idea collector |
| 10:24.20 | slayerbob | ... |
| 10:24.22 | sycofly | mind mapping .. |
| 10:25.13 | sycofly | throw a bunch of words around them use this app to sort some logic into what your thinking |
| 10:25.38 | sycofly | hmmmm .. if that makes sense |
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| 10:26.42 | Flendor | Back! |
| 10:26.51 | Renze | Front! |
| 10:27.01 | Flendor | :D |
| 10:27.17 | Flendor | What time is it over there, Renzy? |
| 10:27.25 | Renze | 11:27pm |
| 10:27.31 | slayerbob | you need aspirin to sleep ? |
| 10:27.44 | Flendor | Yay, slayer is still here too :) |
| 10:27.47 | Renze | no, I need aspirin to deal with a headache so I can sleep |
| 10:28.02 | sredna | sycofly: Did you try kdissert? |
| 10:28.45 | sycofly | dont think I have it sredna |
| 10:28.54 | Flendor | Hello sredna |
| 10:28.58 | sycofly | under ? |
| 10:28.59 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 10:29.15 | sredna | sycofly: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12725 |
| 10:29.28 | sredna | Or http://www.freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert/index.html |
| 10:29.46 | sycofly | lol .. Ooh .. as he releases his menu key |
| 10:31.50 | sycofly | omg .. so much happening on my desktop |
| 10:33.17 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:33.27 | slayerbob | blondie ? |
| 10:33.34 | Flendor | Yes, Rapture. |
| 10:33.38 | slayerbob | indeed |
| 10:33.44 | Flendor | It's a nice song.. |
| 10:33.48 | slayerbob | that is one nonsense song :P |
| 10:33.50 | sycofly | Renze.. have you seen the new "New York" they have made her efor "Hong Kong" |
| 10:33.57 | Flendor | Yeah, but it's still fun :) |
| 10:34.02 | slayerbob | aye |
| 10:34.02 | Renze | sycofly: only on TV |
| 10:34.07 | sycofly | k |
| 10:34.23 | Renze | sycofly: and it's "King Kong" :) |
| 10:34.34 | Flendor | Been a VERY long while since I last played DnD.. :/ |
| 10:34.55 | slayerbob | DnD ? |
| 10:35.19 | Flendor | Dungeons and Dragons |
| 10:35.24 | slayerbob | oh right |
| 10:35.29 | slayerbob | the budget version of nwn ? |
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| 10:35.57 | Flendor | Well yes we can call it the budget version, since you don't need a computer to play :) |
| 10:36.04 | Flendor | And no internet costs for multiplayer.. |
| 10:36.12 | slayerbob | you have internet costs ? |
| 10:36.35 | slayerbob | my internet costs are pretty much fixed |
| 10:36.41 | Flendor | Well, to play Neverwinter Nights online you need to have a connection to internet |
| 10:36.49 | slayerbob | around $360 a month |
| 10:36.50 | Flendor | And it costs in everywhere except Heaven, 7th floor |
| 10:36.55 | sycofly | mate of mine completes 18 months of graphics courses .. he hitches to wellington with $5 to his name and scores a job at wetta at the start of the ring series |
| 10:37.04 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:37.16 | Flendor | Wow, 360 Dollars per month! :0 |
| 10:37.27 | Flendor | It's about twice my almost-salary :/ |
| 10:37.28 | slayerbob | yeah i know it's pretty cheap |
| 10:37.35 | slayerbob | :| |
| 10:37.41 | slayerbob | i thought that was per week :( |
| 10:37.55 | slayerbob | we have 4 x adsl and 1 x cable |
| 10:37.56 | Flendor | LOL no, I get 200 Dollars per month :( |
| 10:38.04 | slayerbob | and 1 x dialup |
| 10:38.14 | Flendor | The dialup is for emergency, I suppose? |
| 10:38.24 | slayerbob | dialup is for when the adsl drops out at home :P |
| 10:38.29 | Oleg_ | it's time for me to download and compile kde 3.4 beta 1 |
| 10:38.30 | slayerbob | which it does a lot in the winter |
| 10:38.38 | Flendor | Hello Oleg! |
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| 10:39.07 | Oleg_ | hi |
| 10:39.08 | sycofly | slayerbob.. whats with so many connections ? |
| 10:39.19 | Flendor | I think he wants to be on the safe side |
| 10:39.23 | sycofly | lmao |
| 10:39.27 | sycofly | on ya mate |
| 10:39.50 | rabauke | Oleg_: Do you use kopete? |
| 10:40.12 | pave1 | sorry, I was asking about Kopete crash but I lost connection. |
| 10:40.27 | Oleg_ | rabauke: no |
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| 10:40.37 | tom_neo | how to get that damn kontact to shut down if i close it? it always stays either in kicker or in ram since i updated yesterday... |
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| 10:41.14 | Flendor | OK I'm gone |
| 10:41.15 | Flendor | See you! |
| 10:41.34 | rabauke | Oleg_: Ok than, you would not have liked the CPu eating irc-bug in kopete coming with 3.4 beta1 |
| 10:41.52 | sycofly | feel for Renze .. hang in there mate |
| 10:41.58 | Oleg_ | It's 5:41 a.m. in my place |
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| 10:42.29 | Oleg_ | rabauke: I won't install kopete |
| 10:42.32 | rabauke | tom_neo: there is a setting for sys-tray behaviour within kmail |
| 10:42.47 | sycofly | rabauke.. yes |
| 10:43.21 | tom_neo | rabauke: mhh... is there any way to still show up in systray if there is a new mail but shut down if i bress close either? |
| 10:43.29 | tom_neo | s/bress/press/ |
| 10:43.33 | Oleg_ | for how long kde 3.4 was alpha before it became beta? |
| 10:44.23 | rabauke | tom_neo: not sure but I do not think so |
| 10:44.35 | tom_neo | rabauke: ok thx |
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| 10:46.39 | rabauke | Sorry, did not get the last few messages, another KDE 3.4 beta1 kopete bug |
| 10:47.10 | rabauke | if people who have posted in an irc-chat quit, my kopete quits too ;) |
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| 10:54.27 | rikva | I want to start a app in English using KDE_LANG="language", what language prefix should I use for English? |
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| 11:01.22 | sycofly | omg monday has arived |
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| 11:02.40 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive noticed that when i start up the pc , the kde layout springs up when i turned it off , all the apps are open . |
| 11:03.12 | sredna | That is called session management |
| 11:03.35 | [Aura]kingwanja | is there a way i can make it start as fresh |
| 11:03.41 | rikva | yes |
| 11:03.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | how can i do this ? |
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| 11:04.12 | sredna | You can select to use your last session, a sessino that you set up as desired, or no session at all |
| 11:04.33 | rikva | i forgot where, but it is in the control center |
| 11:04.36 | sredna | In the control center: KDE Components->Session Manager |
| 11:06.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | i think i will leave it , as long as i know where to change , thanks for that info , nice touch to the start up |
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| 11:10.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | there is one other thing , ive been told that its not a good idea to use the root/gui , that the best thing to use is root/terminal because it can make the machine insecure , is that right ? |
| 11:10.51 | rikva | yes |
| 11:10.57 | rikva | in my opinion |
| 11:11.13 | rikva | you shouldn't use the root account for daily use |
| 11:11.41 | rikva | you can screw up your whole system if you make a mistake |
| 11:11.42 | sredna | KDM tries to prevent you from logging into KDE as root actually |
| 11:12.28 | sredna | It's recommended to use kdesu to start graphical apps as root |
| 11:12.43 | sredna | Personally, I have a different color scheme as root, so that those windows looks very different from other ones |
| 11:13.09 | rikva | sredna: i have that too, the only thing i start with kdesu is k3b, it wont run as normal user |
| 11:13.41 | sredna | rikva: K3b should run as a normal user, if you set up permissions correctly |
| 11:13.42 | [Aura]kingwanja | because yesterday i was trying to move my website into /var/www/html but i couldnt , it didnt allow me access .. i was trying to do it in the gui (windows style) but someone showed me how to do it in the terminal (took me awhile to learn) . |
| 11:13.48 | sredna | rikva: Did you run k3bsetup? |
| 11:14.09 | rikva | [Aura]kingwanja: Learning the terminal is very useful :) |
| 11:14.26 | fred87 | sredna/rivka: K3b won't burn as a normal user under quite a few systems if running 2.6.8 or higher |
| 11:14.30 | rikva | sredna: yes but i cant get it working so it burns as a user. |
| 11:14.40 | [Aura]kingwanja | i guess , but its such a totally new ball game and i get confused also |
| 11:14.48 | sredna | [Aura]kingwanja: There is a 'file manager - super user mode' under System in the K Menu |
| 11:14.50 | rikva | ah, i use 2.6.10 that could be the broblem |
| 11:15.15 | fred87 | rivka: very likely |
| 11:15.16 | sredna | rikva: It works fine with kernel 2.6 here |
| 11:15.54 | fred87 | sredna: it's only on some systems, and 2.6.8 and higher - the scsi permissions system changed, suid apps no longer have scsi permissions |
| 11:16.25 | rikva | whatever, it is not a big problem, i burn cds very often |
| 11:16.32 | sredna | fred87: I use 2.6.10 with aic7xxx scsi driver |
| 11:16.32 | fred87 | rivka: i'm guessing cdrecord doesn't work, so it's not specifically k3b? |
| 11:17.08 | sycofly | what is the best way to clear the systems cache ? |
| 11:17.38 | fred87 | sredna: IIRC it's only non-scsi things which use the scsi system, eg atapi, sata |
| 11:17.57 | sredna | fred87: Ah, ok then. |
| 11:18.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | sredna logging into super user ,,, is that logging into root/gui , which some people dont reccomend ? |
| 11:19.09 | sredna | sycofly: Most apps puts temporary data in /tmp somewhere |
| 11:19.27 | sredna | [Aura]kingwanja: Yes. It's a don't |
| 11:19.43 | sycofly | ok .. thz sredna |
| 11:19.51 | [Aura]kingwanja | i see |
| 11:19.56 | sredna | Log in as a normal user, and use kdesu, su or sudo to do specific tasks as root |
| 11:20.01 | sycofly | hehe .. i shut the bish down is another no .. lol |
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| 11:23.46 | kuja | http://www.shugotenshi.com/images/screenshot.png -- Oddly Korean works everywhere except playlists and tooltips on KDE. |
| 11:23.54 | kuja | The locales seem to be in place, and I'm using the same font for everything except fixed-width. |
| 11:23.55 | sycofly | dam it .. this one app wont let go |
| 11:24.17 | kuja | Wow, my previous post is long gone out of my buffer :P |
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| 11:27.57 | sredna | kuja: If it works in one app but not in another (amaroK) it's likely a problem in that other app. |
| 11:28.20 | kuja | sredna: It doesn't work in the KDE tooltip popups either. |
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| 11:28.56 | kuja | In Nautilus, clearly the Korean shows up fine. I put my mouse over a file, and the the tooltip that pops up shows the same cracked letters as from amaroK's playlist. |
| 11:29.27 | kuja | This also occurs in GTK applications as well (well, I only tried music apps and from their playlists) |
| 11:29.29 | sredna | kuja: File a bug report |
| 11:29.37 | kuja | Hm... |
| 11:29.56 | kuja | The Korean #linux people are always so occupied with their own little thing *sigh*. |
| 11:29.58 | kuja | Yeah, I should. |
| 11:29.58 | mxcl | kuja: did you try recode tags in amaroK config dialog? |
| 11:30.03 | kuja | Yeah |
| 11:30.09 | mxcl | kuja: doesn't work? |
| 11:30.20 | kuja | Let me see what I recode them in. |
| 11:30.49 | kuja | Nope, doesn't work. |
| 11:31.16 | kuja | I think it defnitely is a tags problem though. |
| 11:31.28 | kuja | Because tooltips show tag information I think, not the filename. |
| 11:32.25 | kuja | mxcl: Check out the console for my mount settings and locale. |
| 11:33.31 | kuja | Hm... I check the meta info for my songs with Korean characters, and the tags seem definitely screwed up. *sigh* |
| 11:33.32 | kuja | I wonder... |
| 11:34.23 | sredna | If other apps can provide working korean tooltips, it's a problem with the application or it's libraries |
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| 11:34.38 | mxcl | kuja: to be honest, us amarok-devels don't understand this encoding stuff at all, people keep demanding us to support it but we don't know how. We need patches |
| 11:34.39 | kuja | sredna: It's a problem with the ID3 tags. |
| 11:34.43 | kuja | Verified just now. |
| 11:35.18 | sredna | kuja: Ok :) |
| 11:35.37 | kuja | Okay, just did some more testing. |
| 11:35.45 | kuja | I think it's definitely not an amaroK problem. |
| 11:36.10 | kuja | Because I retype the ID3 information in Korean and it works fine. But as soon as I save the ID3 tags then view them again, they become cracked up. |
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| 11:36.15 | kuja | Could this be a KDE problem? |
| 11:36.43 | markey | kuja: note that ID3V1 does not support utf |
| 11:36.47 | markey | to my knowledge |
| 11:36.50 | markey | only V2 does |
| 11:37.04 | kuja | I'm using EUC-KR, hm... |
| 11:37.22 | kuja | I could have sworn I had this working a while back. |
| 11:37.27 | kuja | Not on this install, but previously. |
| 11:38.22 | kuja | The file names show up correctly, but the tags don't... it means it's a tag problem, but how to fix. Bah! :) |
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| 11:39.07 | sycofly | sorted it sredna .. had had path to current instead of slackware10 |
| 11:39.11 | kuja | Do OGGs use any sort tags too? |
| 11:39.37 | sredna | I think so |
| 11:39.48 | [Aura]kingwanja | oh amarok rocks by the way , very nice music player |
| 11:39.51 | kuja | I was thinking maybe I'll try converting this. |
| 11:40.05 | kuja | Just to see if it's a MP3 problem. |
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| 11:41.14 | rabauke | A friend of mine has a very strange problem and I have absolutely no clue what this could be about |
| 11:41.31 | rikva | what is it? |
| 11:41.40 | rabauke | The keyboard sometimes quits working for some apps |
| 11:41.49 | rikva | hmm |
| 11:41.54 | rabauke | but only some |
| 11:42.01 | rabauke | it does not make sense |
| 11:42.09 | rabauke | replacing the keyboard does not help |
| 11:42.14 | slayerbob | what happens if they click on another app and then back on the app that is not working ? |
| 11:43.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | hmm ive been to korea |
| 11:44.51 | sycofly | slayerbob.. the oehter app will |
| 11:45.04 | sycofly | rr hmmmm |
| 11:45.08 | sycofly | nothing |
| 11:45.14 | slayerbob | lol |
| 11:45.26 | slayerbob | well usually doing such things will reenable keyboards... |
| 11:45.28 | rikva | strange problem |
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| 11:45.53 | fooman | hi folks |
| 11:46.01 | rikva | hi |
| 11:46.07 | sredna | Hello fooman |
| 11:46.11 | rabauke | slayerbob: hmm, I would have to check that, but I think it did not help, what would be the problem, if it would help to change focus to another window and back? |
| 11:46.22 | fooman | is there some equivalent to the gdesklets (gnome) for kde? |
| 11:46.33 | rikva | gkrellm? |
| 11:46.35 | fooman | (other than superkaramba) |
| 11:46.48 | rabauke | I think it was mainly about password-windows, become root, kwallet and so on |
| 11:47.09 | rikva | fooman: gkrellm isnt specific for KDE but it works nicely, i use it too |
| 11:47.52 | rabauke | In kmail ist stopped working too |
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| 11:51.15 | luh | hi |
| 11:51.31 | luh | where can i find the smtp config for kmail? |
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| 11:52.08 | Flendor | Re. |
| 11:52.39 | DirkGently | luh: under Accounts / Sending |
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| 11:53.46 | luh | DirkGently, i lost them, and now i'm searching for them in an old backup from my home-dir |
| 11:53.58 | barman | I was disconnected, did someone bother to answer my stupid question while I was away? (fooman speaking) |
| 11:56.11 | DirkGently | luh: ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc? |
| 11:56.38 | luh | i copied that already over |
| 11:56.47 | luh | do you think it should've been in there? |
| 11:56.54 | rikva | what a coincidence, my dad wants me to burn 9 cds! |
| 11:57.32 | luh | i'm not very good in getting t-online email adresses to run |
| 11:57.39 | luh | can someone maybe help me? |
| 11:58.25 | rabauke | rikva: Why root? |
| 11:58.49 | rikva | rabauke: oh, we talked about that a few minutes ago, it only works as root |
| 11:58.57 | rikva | rabauke: but it is no problem |
| 11:59.29 | rabauke | simply do a chmod 0755 /usr/bin/crecord |
| 11:59.45 | rabauke | or get k3b 0.11.19 and run the wizard |
| 11:59.53 | rikva | rabauke: bin there, done that, it simply doesn't work on my pc |
| 12:00.10 | rabauke | strange |
| 12:00.10 | rikva | *been there |
| 12:00.17 | rabauke | works for me |
| 12:00.23 | rikva | not for me :p |
| 12:00.27 | slayerbob | works for me also :) |
| 12:00.35 | sycofly | works for me |
| 12:00.37 | slayerbob | perhaps you have a 2.6 kernel :) |
| 12:00.45 | rikva | yes |
| 12:00.48 | rabauke | what distro are you running? |
| 12:00.53 | rikva | gentoo |
| 12:00.54 | rabauke | I have a 2.6 too |
| 12:01.21 | rabauke | Suse 9.2 here |
| 12:01.26 | slayerbob | well there you go then rikva - i gather that cd burning is broken on some of the 2.6 kernels |
| 12:02.25 | slayerbob | is it just me, or are a disproportionate amount of the problems that people have with linux caused by their use of gentoo ? |
| 12:03.11 | rikva | there are a lot of problems with gentoo |
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| 12:04.06 | rabauke | rikva: have you tried using cdrao? |
| 12:04.14 | rikva | rabauke: nope |
| 12:04.18 | rabauke | for me that worked as user even when cdrecord did not? |
| 12:04.37 | rabauke | why did I put a ? therE? |
| 12:06.05 | sycofly | cable wont d/l any more than 240kbs .. she's screaming |
| 12:06.11 | rabauke | slayerbob: Apparently it's because of an argument between the cdrecord developer and the kernel-people |
| 12:06.29 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 12:07.02 | slayerbob | you mean the kernel people said "this is how it is going to work" and the cdrecord dev disagreed ? |
| 12:07.14 | rabauke | slayerbob: I think it was regarding scsi emulation |
| 12:07.15 | sycofly | yep |
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| 12:12.35 | alejandro | hi |
| 12:12.41 | sredna | Ho |
| 12:12.44 | rikva | hi alejandro |
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| 12:13.23 | alejandro | hi rikva |
| 12:14.24 | scoopex | is it possible to configure kde to execute a certain command if the user presses i.e. STRG+s ? |
| 12:15.23 | sredna | scoopex: Yes, you can create a command in the menu editor and assign a shortcut, or use khotkeys |
| 12:16.10 | rabauke | anybody using opera + mouse gestures? |
| 12:16.30 | rabauke | especially those mouse-button only gestures to go back and forth? |
| 12:16.48 | Flendor | Good bye. |
| 12:17.13 | sredna | Gesturing |
| 12:17.17 | rikva | hmm, k3b cant handle cds with copy protection :( |
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| 12:18.33 | rabauke | rikva: is it not the drive's fault, or do you want to copy a SVCD? |
| 12:18.49 | rikva | nope some micro$oft software for my dad |
| 12:19.38 | [Aura]kingwanja | question : konq is great and my fave web browser but why is mozilla in the package and not firefox ? |
| 12:20.02 | rabauke | have you tried to not copy but create an image? |
| 12:20.03 | sycofly | good question |
| 12:20.08 | sredna | rikva: Kaudiocd can |
| 12:20.20 | rabauke | [Aura]kingwanja: what package? |
| 12:20.22 | rikva | i am trying to clone copy now |
| 12:20.28 | [Aura]kingwanja | kde |
| 12:20.41 | rikva | [Aura]kingwanja: what distro? |
| 12:20.44 | rikva | do you use |
| 12:20.52 | [Aura]kingwanja | mandrake 10.1 official |
| 12:21.02 | rabauke | suse |
| 12:21.09 | rikva | i thing mandrake supplies mozilla in it |
| 12:21.12 | sycofly | slack |
| 12:21.16 | rabauke | has got both |
| 12:21.16 | rikva | yes they do, i used mandrake before |
| 12:21.44 | rikva | so you should ask mandrake :) |
| 12:22.08 | scoopex | rikva: ....i stopped distributing illegal software (in terms of german laws) - because i decieded that this behaviour slows down the distribution of open-source software---- |
| 12:22.09 | [Aura]kingwanja | ok this is a mandrake issue and they edited kde , i see |
| 12:22.54 | slayerbob | scoopex: good plan :) |
| 12:22.59 | sycofly | hehe |
| 12:23.09 | slayerbob | i don't use illegal software because the open source alternatives are better :P |
| 12:23.10 | scoopex | :-) |
| 12:23.14 | rikva | [Aura]kingwanja: yes, there are more changes in mandrakes' kde. |
| 12:23.39 | rikva | scoopex: i don't distribute illegal software either, but when my dad wants some copies... |
| 12:23.52 | scoopex | slayerbob: this is precondition for my behaviour..... |
| 12:23.57 | scoopex | :-) |
| 12:24.25 | [Aura]kingwanja | mandrake favours kde naturally as its much better than the other guis , why mozilla though , its a pile of crap and makes life bloaty |
| 12:24.33 | slayerbob | i have talked most of my customers out of buying new versions of ms office and have installed openoffice for them instead :) |
| 12:25.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | there i am thinking " Now which web browser shall i use today" :s |
| 12:25.30 | rikva | [Aura]kingwanja: gnome is a very nice windowmanager too |
| 12:25.36 | rikva | though i use kde |
| 12:26.12 | [Aura]kingwanja | slayerbob: better still instill mandrake or something and open their eyes to a different world |
| 12:26.26 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 12:26.35 | slayerbob | i would not inflict mandrake on any of my customers |
| 12:26.40 | slayerbob | slackware definitely |
| 12:26.44 | slayerbob | but not mandrake |
| 12:26.47 | sycofly | hehe .. |
| 12:26.49 | [Aura]kingwanja | why not ? |
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| 12:27.01 | slayerbob | mandrake has given me grief in the past |
| 12:27.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | and the others havnt ? lol |
| 12:27.21 | slayerbob | not as such |
| 12:27.23 | sycofly | slayerbob.. has a mandrake tatoo |
| 12:27.24 | rikva | [Aura]kingwanja: mandrake is a very nice distro, is it very userfriendly but the package management SUCKS big time |
| 12:27.40 | rikva | i never got any software working on it |
| 12:27.58 | sredna | rikva: Urpmi? I liked urpmi, allthough I enede up using cli versions all the time |
| 12:28.04 | slayerbob | the thing i like about slackware is the you can download pretty much any software you want as source, compile and install it, and it works without problems |
| 12:28.11 | slayerbob | it is sort of like a working version of gentoo |
| 12:28.16 | [Aura]kingwanja | huh , software works on it like a dream , have you tried the urpmi command |
| 12:28.26 | rikva | yes |
| 12:28.41 | kuja | Wow, I narrowed down the ID3 problem to KDE's metadata, which also got narrowed down to TagLib :S |
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| 12:28.44 | rikva | but maybe the made it better since version 9.2 |
| 12:29.05 | rikva | *they |
| 12:29.20 | scoopex | rikva: i had a a cd-box with many copies of commecrial software - and my friends and my family knowed that.....now i shreddered all of these cds....... know i can say: "sorry i have no copies of this software - because i don't need illigal copies, because my linux-distribution provides me any type of program i need.." - this is a very powerful argument :-)) |
| 12:29.34 | [Aura]kingwanja | the bottom line is i guess , how do you comile the ultimate linux os ... ie for gui users and terminal eye gloggers . |
| 12:29.43 | [Aura]kingwanja | complie* |
| 12:30.07 | [Aura]kingwanja | mandrake is sweet for doing that |
| 12:30.15 | rikva | scoopex: that is very nice indeed |
| 12:31.08 | [Aura]kingwanja | another debian -_- |
| 12:31.19 | kuja | >_< |
| 12:31.32 | rikva | i want on the fly! |
| 12:31.35 | kuja | How the hell can I modify TagLib encodings. BAH |
| 12:31.54 | kuja | Or better yet.. |
| 12:32.01 | kuja | How can I make KDE *NOT* usee TagLib :P |
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| 12:33.05 | araizen | why is kwrite reverting the changes I made to a document when I try to save it? It's extremely annoying. |
| 12:33.30 | [Aura]kingwanja | well the bottom line is the terminal i guess then the gui fitting it like a glove ... kde is better than gnome and im not talking politics here , you all know it . what i see is can linux+kde rock the microsoft boat in the future . |
| 12:35.08 | sredna | araizen: Sorry, what? |
| 12:35.44 | sredna | araizen: Could you explain what you do in details please? (I'm a kwrite/kate developer) |
| 12:37.18 | araizen | I have an html document open in kwrite. I delete a couple of lines (some tags in <head>). Then I click on the disk icon (or do ctrl-s, or choose save from the menu, all the same). The lines I deleted reappear. |
| 12:37.47 | araizen | though it seems they changed on disk |
| 12:37.57 | araizen | i mean, it was modified on disk |
| 12:38.13 | sredna | araizen: What version of KDE, and which OS/distro and how did you install? |
| 12:39.17 | araizen | I'm using KDE 3.2, mandrake 10.0 |
| 12:39.17 | sredna | araizen: I've never heard of that, or experienced it |
| 12:39.27 | sredna | araizen: Is it something that suddenly started to happen? |
| 12:39.28 | araizen | it's also not highlighting the html tags |
| 12:39.32 | araizen | just now |
| 12:39.33 | scoopex | is there any way to automate kde-configuration by shellscripts ? i change between many linux-systems - so an automated way to creat an identical environment would be good. (a copy of .kde is not a good idea - because the differences of these systems are to big...) |
| 12:39.45 | araizen | In fact, I made other changes to this document, and then this started happening |
| 12:40.13 | sredna | araizen: Could you try selecting the HTML highlight from the View menu? |
| 12:40.15 | araizen | is there some way to force kwrite to recognize this document as an html document for syntax highlighting? |
| 12:40.37 | sredna | Well, you can put 'kate: Hl HTML' in a comment near the top or bottom |
| 12:40.52 | sredna | Needs a semi: 'kate: Hl HTML;' |
| 12:41.30 | araizen | alright, that worked to show the highlighting, but then ctrl-s and my new comment disappears |
| 12:42.42 | araizen | okay, I closed it and opened it, and it seems to be working. I have no idea what the problem was. Thanks for trying anyway. |
| 12:43.38 | sredna | Well, it sounds messed up. Let's hope it doesn't happen again, but if it does, please write kwrite-devel@kde.org |
| 12:43.44 | sredna | Or look for me here |
| 12:45.46 | araizen | okay |
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| 12:47.33 | kuja | Is anyone here familiar with TagLib? |
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| 12:49.47 | octan | hello ppl.. ineed to disable the wallpaper in kde.. how do i do that |
| 12:50.25 | kuja | Define "disable" |
| 12:50.31 | kuja | You mean, change it? |
| 12:50.35 | sredna | octan: Rightclick the desktop and select 'configure desktop' |
| 12:50.53 | kuja | I would have said that, well I was typing it and erased it all... because I wasn't sure what he meant. heh. |
| 12:51.20 | octan | no that dont help,, |
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| 12:51.34 | octan | i mean disable that function |
| 12:51.41 | PotajiTo | how can i build only kwin?not all kdebase? |
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| 12:52.02 | sredna | octan: For users? You should look at kiosk |
| 12:52.05 | octan | sredna im running Enlightenment on top of kde |
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| 12:52.46 | octan | i need kde to stop setting the wallpaper.. the settings no wallpaper stills have the function avtive |
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| 12:53.02 | kuja | I need help with TagLib. As I understand it, KDE uses TagLib for its meta-data... and I was wondering if I can explicitly set an encoding for TagLib to use? |
| 12:54.57 | [Aura]kingwanja | ive got some hot news straight from the press here ... http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9550 |
| 12:55.07 | sredna | GRRRRR |
| 12:55.31 | sredna | I think kio_http_cache_cleaner is the best candidate to make people STOP using KDE |
| 12:58.32 | kuja | Meh... I figured no one would be familiar with TagLib... doesn't seem like a big thing anyways... |
| 12:59.18 | sredna | kuja: I suggest that you file a bug report |
| 12:59.41 | sredna | That way you get in contact with the developers who do know the library |
| 13:00.57 | kuja | Yep |
| 13:01.41 | sredna | [Aura]kingwanja: What is the new in that? |
| 13:03.26 | [Aura]kingwanja | thought it would cheer you up a bit , im having a good read here |
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| 13:04.49 | [Aura]kingwanja | a friend of mine wrote a response to the article here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137693&cid=11515161 |
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| 13:12.56 | octan | can any one tell me how i disable the wallpaper function.. |
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| 13:15.15 | octan | im not thinking of right clicking on desktop -->configure desktop "no walpaper".. |
| 13:15.41 | octan | i need to disable the hole wallpaper function |
| 13:16.28 | thiago | the icons as well? |
| 13:16.39 | octan | not the icons |
| 13:16.40 | Dhraakellian | even just a color or gradient? |
| 13:17.49 | octan | every thing that hassome thing to do with the wallpaper |
| 13:17.49 | sredna | octan: Kde supportw using a NET compatible window manager. If enlightenment does not implement the NET specificatinos, you can't expect KDE to support using it. |
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| 13:18.50 | octan | sredna E runs fine in kde,, exept thatkde is over writing the desktop settings |
| 13:18.51 | sredna | octan: If you want to use enlightenment with KDE, I think you should just run enlightenment and start kicker. |
| 13:19.19 | octan | kicker? |
| 13:19.26 | sredna | Kdes panel |
| 13:19.52 | octan | but i want the icons too on my desktop |
| 13:20.01 | sredna | As I said |
| 13:20.06 | sredna | octan: Kde supportw using a NET compatible window manager. If enlightenment does not implement the NET specificatinos, you can't expect KDE to support using it. |
| 13:20.24 | Dhraakellian | isn't there a file somewhere with a line specifying which wm to use? |
| 13:20.41 | octan | Dhraakellian yes |
| 13:20.47 | octan | .xinitrc |
| 13:21.04 | Dhraakellian | um... other than that one? |
| 13:21.10 | octan | all i want is to turn of kde's wallpaper functions |
| 13:21.15 | octan | xsession |
| 13:21.18 | octan | Xsession |
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| 13:27.10 | _flosch | hi |
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| 13:40.16 | [GQ]ViWi | hi anybody here |
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| 13:41.11 | [GQ]ViWi | can somebody solve an XIO: fatal IO error 104 -Problem? |
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| 13:42.27 | Urua | Morning all |
| 13:42.37 | [GQ]ViWi | hi |
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| 13:43.02 | Urua | Just finished compiling 3.4_beta1, nice polish :) |
| 13:43.02 | [GQ]ViWi | any expert here |
| 13:43.11 | Urua | <-- not an expert |
| 13:43.20 | [GQ]ViWi | damn ;-) |
| 13:43.30 | [GQ]ViWi | <-- newbie |
| 13:43.40 | Urua | What are you trying to do ? |
| 13:43.55 | [GQ]ViWi | i just installed kde |
| 13:44.13 | [GQ]ViWi | ...but when typing startx i got the following error |
| 13:44.32 | [GQ]ViWi | XIO: fatal IO error 104 |
| 13:44.40 | Urua | DId X work before installing KDE ? |
| 13:44.50 | [GQ]ViWi | nope |
| 13:45.08 | Urua | Guessing it is an X problem, not a KDE one |
| 13:45.12 | [GQ]ViWi | its a woody-install then upgraded to testing |
| 13:45.33 | [GQ]ViWi | but no improvement |
| 13:45.49 | Urua | did you configure X to your graphic card/monitor ? |
| 13:46.08 | nordkapp | [GQ]ViWi: fist make sure X works, then instead of startx, you might try run kdm |
| 13:46.15 | [GQ]ViWi | i once installed woody, got same problems -> made it work, but now its dead |
| 13:46.35 | [GQ]ViWi | what should i exakly do? |
| 13:46.56 | Urua | <-- I dun use debian, Can't tell ya... First ya need to get X working |
| 13:47.25 | [GQ]ViWi | how can i see, if x is working correctly? |
| 13:47.43 | nordkapp | [GQ]ViWi: are you using FC3? |
| 13:48.02 | [GQ]ViWi | sry, but what's FC3? |
| 13:48.05 | Urua | He said woody, nordkapp, so I figured he was on a debian system |
| 13:48.25 | [GQ]ViWi | oh, now its debian testing |
| 13:48.31 | nordkapp | Urua: i missed that, :-( |
| 13:48.40 | Urua | Np ;) |
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| 13:49.42 | [GQ]ViWi | so how can i figure out, if X is working correctly? |
| 13:50.11 | Urua | usually by running 'startx' |
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| 13:50.23 | [GQ]ViWi | ...tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 several times |
| 13:50.25 | thiago | 104 is Connection reset by peer |
| 13:50.44 | [GQ]ViWi | yes, thats the message |
| 13:51.02 | [GQ]ViWi | XIO: fatal IO error 104 |
| 13:52.01 | thiago | looks like an X problem |
| 13:52.11 | thiago | anything in your X server logs? |
| 13:52.22 | johnny69 | Is anyone else having problems with their screensavers? The "test" and "setup" buttons work as expected...but when it comes time for the actual saver to kick in, it only blanks the screen. So far, this is the behavior for every screensaver I have tried. Anyone have a solution? (I'm running KDE 3.3) |
| 13:52.58 | [GQ]ViWi | yes i think so, but i answered all questions properly - i guess |
| 13:53.07 | nordkapp | [GQ]ViWi: a long shot. how is you firewall (if any) set up. |
| 13:53.19 | neko | that happens on mine too johnny69 |
| 13:53.21 | [GQ]ViWi | no firewall |
| 13:53.55 | neko | what distro are you on? |
| 13:53.57 | [GQ]ViWi | i am in a network behind a firewall but this system doesn't have a firewall active |
| 13:54.05 | johnny69 | neko: Apparently there was a bug report thingy filed for this back on 3.2, guess it wasn't fixed as of 3.3 either |
| 13:54.05 | [GQ]ViWi | debian testing |
| 13:54.19 | johnny69 | neko: Fedora 3 |
| 13:54.32 | neko | ah, i'm on 3.2 atm, so that'll be why for me |
| 13:54.40 | neko | MDK10.1Community |
| 13:55.27 | johnny69 | neko: I think I just found the solution |
| 13:55.34 | johnny69 | It has something to do with the dir's |
| 13:56.21 | neko | I really should try out 10.1Final to see if they have more up to date software |
| 13:57.02 | [GQ]ViWi | where is the X config file? |
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| 13:58.39 | [GQ]ViWi | got it |
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| 14:00.06 | octan | how do i configure KDE to use E as the window manager |
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| 14:03.38 | [GQ]ViWi | where is the log for xserver |
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| 14:03.59 | octan | /var/log |
| 14:04.25 | [GQ]ViWi | thx |
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| 14:09.12 | octan | guys.. do any one of you know how i can disable the wallpaper function in kde? i mean totaly disable it,, not thinking of "right click -> configure desktop -> no wallpaper" |
| 14:09.22 | [GQ]ViWi | the first error in /var/log/XFree86.0.log is: failed to load module "pxe5" (module does not exist)+ |
| 14:12.35 | [GQ]ViWi | may this cause in exiting X-server |
| 14:12.38 | [GQ]ViWi | ? |
| 14:12.46 | johnny69 | For anyone running KDe 3.3 and having problems with their screensavers just blanking the screen instead of actually running, here is a possible solution: http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?s=fcbf0f52fc74bb5ac315429f72736dcf&showtopic=124262&st=0&#entry536926 |
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| 14:58.40 | glide87th | does kmail have a separate fetch/check program that's callable? |
| 15:00.00 | NamShub | it has a dcop interface I believe |
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| 15:00.35 | PotajiTo | hi |
| 15:00.56 | PotajiTo | when i compile kdelibs it says Please reinstall aRts in the same prefix as KDE, different prefixes are not |
| 15:00.56 | PotajiTo | supported right now. |
| 15:00.56 | PotajiTo | (kdelibs prefix is /usr/local/kde, aRts prefix is /usr) |
| 15:01.15 | PotajiTo | what should i do? |
| 15:01.25 | NamShub | dcop kmail KMailIface checkMail |
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| 15:04.02 | harpagon | hi anybody here who can answer questions about emule? |
| 15:04.22 | demigod2k | anybody get qwt compiled on mac os x before? lots of forum posts on earlier versions, but the current version fails to compile |
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| 15:36.27 | shevegen | hi. i have a kde application, it loads but then does not start. can i traceback where the error is, ie maybe KDE logs this already to a place? |
| 15:37.41 | sredna | shevegen: Try starting the app from a terminal to see the output |
| 15:37.44 | mustasj | shevegen: I'd use strace, "strace -f program" |
| 15:38.48 | shevegen | thanks :) |
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| 16:06.02 | qfh | can anybody else observe this bug? open http://www-hm.ma.tum.de/ws0405/ei1/folien/folie63.pdf in kghostview, click print and check "preview". check the "2" in "24.01.05", is the letter red or black? (it's black here...) |
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| 16:08.35 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 16:08.56 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 16:10.40 | sredna | qfh: Looks perfectly red here |
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| 16:11.40 | Flendor | Hey there sredna |
| 16:11.41 | Flendor | Aww :/ |
| 16:11.47 | sredna | ? |
| 16:12.01 | qfh | sredna: in the print preview? |
| 16:12.05 | qfh | hmm |
| 16:12.32 | AchiestDragon | lol |
| 16:12.38 | sredna | qfh: Sure, both kpdf and kghostview shows it red |
| 16:12.43 | sarah03 | [It's several hundred lines of bash script. Which is all good and well, except for the minor bit about it being self-modifying code.] |
| 16:13.08 | qfh | what's your kghostview version? |
| 16:13.32 | demigod2k | self modifying?? thats. painful. |
| 16:14.13 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.13 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.13 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.24 | qfh | ok thx |
| 16:14.25 | sarah03 | demigod2k: Yeah, ever so slightly. |
| 16:14.30 | demigod2k | I can't even imagine how you'd do that. I thought the whole file is generally parsed before it starts running |
| 16:14.34 | demigod2k | guess not |
| 16:14.50 | sarah03 | Shell scripts aren't completely parsed before they're run; they're interpreted line-by-line. |
| 16:15.08 | demigod2k | tricky |
| 16:15.31 | sarah03 | Which means it's incredibly easy to do incredibly devious things with them. |
| 16:16.34 | demigod2k | I suppose. although I dont see when it would be useful, and a simpler technique wouldn't be better |
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| 16:19.00 | sarah03 | *shrug* I'm writing an interactive installer as a shell script. Once the base functions are working properly, writing the entire interactive portion of it becomes a piece of cake. |
| 16:20.14 | sredna | sarah03: Installer for what? |
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| 16:21.48 | sarah03 | sredna: Some CMS that's an utter hunk of junk but that I'm getting paid to beat into shape. |
| 16:22.06 | sredna | sarah03: He, ok :) |
| 16:22.20 | sredna | Cms meaning 'content management system' I assume |
| 16:22.29 | sarah03 | Yes, that would be the case. |
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| 16:26.50 | oneforall | how do i get krec to record from line in ? |
| 16:27.01 | oneforall | and fake midi setup with arts ? |
| 16:30.31 | sredna | oneforall: Did you follow the instructions in the documentation? |
| 16:30.49 | oneforall | yeah I'm lost on it |
| 16:31.33 | oneforall | I allready have timidity |
| 16:34.59 | oneforall | sredna there something i need to setup in alsa first ? |
| 16:35.17 | sredna | Not that I know of |
| 16:35.42 | oneforall | so what is it I need to do ? thanks |
| 16:36.20 | oneforall | like for krec to work do I need it setup to do midi for line-in ? |
| 16:36.34 | oneforall | if i snd confused I am :) |
| 16:36.36 | oneforall | :( |
| 16:36.45 | sredna | You need to set up the audio manager thingy |
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| 16:37.19 | sredna | octan: Wb |
| 16:37.36 | sredna | octan: I wanted to ask you if you set KDEWM? |
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| 16:39.00 | octan | ? what you mean |
| 16:39.08 | octan | i edit .xinitrc |
| 16:39.19 | sredna | octan: It was you wanting to use enlightenment as a wm with kde, right? |
| 16:39.28 | octan | yepp |
| 16:40.14 | sredna | Well, to make kde use a window manager other than kwin, you set KDEWM |
| 16:40.21 | octan | sredna i edit .xinitrc.. exec enlightenment & exec startkde |
| 16:40.23 | sredna | Prior to running the startkde script |
| 16:40.52 | octan | ok where can i find that |
| 16:40.56 | sredna | octan: Well, try export KDEWM="enlightenment"; startkde |
| 16:40.58 | sredna | In stead |
| 16:41.07 | sredna | It's in the FAQ I think |
| 16:41.34 | octan | ok.. wait,, |
| 16:41.52 | oneforall | audio manager yes looked at that and tried a few things but nothing so far |
| 16:42.54 | sredna | oneforall: The documentation describes in detaul how o make it work. |
| 16:44.05 | oneforall | KRec:In record in_sound thats supposed to be default to the line-in of the sound card |
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| 16:48.02 | oneforall | so now if I click on my tape deck that plugged in to line in ans kmix line in has record on and click record in krec after new it should record eh |
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| 16:48.26 | sredna | Yes |
| 16:48.34 | oneforall | well nothing |
| 16:49.55 | octan | sredna can you explan that once more? export KDEWM="path to enligthenment" what i did,, but that didnt help much |
| 16:50.10 | sredna | oneforall: It took a while for me to get it working first time too, but I did nothing but what is described in the docs |
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| 16:51.17 | George | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97712 |
| 16:51.20 | George | can anyone confirm that bug? |
| 16:51.37 | oneforall | accually I still don't see nothing in the docs discribing how to do it frome line in other than it shoild be by default |
| 16:51.46 | sredna | octan: It's described in the startkde script |
| 16:51.56 | sredna | # if the KDEWM environment variable has been set, then it will be used as KDE's |
| 16:51.56 | sredna | # window manager instead of kwin. |
| 16:51.56 | sredna | # if KDEWM is not set, ksmserver will ensure kwin is started. |
| 16:52.14 | PotajiTo | how much could kdebase and kdeartwork take to install from source? in a p4 1500 |
| 16:52.40 | oneforall | ah I see it now |
| 16:52.42 | sredna | A few hours I think, PotajiTo |
| 16:53.08 | oneforall | full duplex mode |
| 16:53.31 | PotajiTo | two hours each one? |
| 16:54.03 | oneforall | err turned on full duplex and get this Error while Initializing the sound driver |
| 16:54.49 | oneforall | device;default can't be opened for capture (Invalid argument) |
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| 16:57.06 | sredna | PotajiTo: Kdebase is a bitch, kdeartwork isn't that big |
| 16:57.08 | oneforall | just looked in the manual and its full duplex |
| 16:57.21 | PotajiTo | nice |
| 16:57.29 | PotajiTo | kdelibs is taking forever |
| 16:57.36 | oneforall | cmi9738 ac'97 sis |
| 16:59.19 | oneforall | any ideas ? |
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| 17:01.55 | LiveWire | any of you compiled kde3.4 beta on amd64? |
| 17:05.30 | oneforall | ok it only works I see if I take it off auto and put it on oss :( not alsa :( |
| 17:06.24 | aseigo | LiveWire: CVS HEAD, which was == to the beta at some point, yet |
| 17:06.26 | aseigo | er, yes |
| 17:06.48 | sredna | Hi aseigo ! |
| 17:06.57 | aseigo | hey =) |
| 17:07.12 | LiveWire | aseigo: i had to change a file in kdemultimedia, cdromAccess.cpp.. was wondering why since others have seem to compile it :/ |
| 17:07.24 | aseigo | LiveWire: what did you have to change? |
| 17:07.33 | LiveWire | - #include <bits/wordsize.h> |
| 17:07.33 | LiveWire | - #if __WORDSIZE == 64 |
| 17:07.33 | LiveWire | - typedef unsigned long __u64; |
| 17:07.33 | LiveWire | - #else |
| 17:07.33 | LiveWire | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.11 | lippel_ | hello aseigo! read your blog entry... what are you working on? klink? |
| 17:10.15 | LiveWire | aseigo: thats the diff i was gonna send to bugzilla... if its actually a bug |
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| 17:10.37 | aseigo | LiveWire: hrm. dunno if that's correct |
| 17:10.54 | LiveWire | me either, but it does compile now |
| 17:11.05 | aseigo | LiveWire: e.g. that should be specific for 64 bit words |
| 17:11.37 | LiveWire | aseige: 3.2 kde doesnt have it those lines and compiles also |
| 17:11.38 | aseigo | LiveWire: looks like there is a type mismatch elsewhere in the file.. e.g. a unsigned long long is being defined/used directly instead of a __u64? |
| 17:11.51 | aseigo | lippel_: yes... the database schema side of it |
| 17:15.04 | lippel_ | aseigo: is there already a usable version on the horizon somewhere? ;-) |
| 17:15.15 | lippel_ | or at least some code to play with |
| 17:16.11 | oneforall | man this is not easy to setup for asimple record :( |
| 17:17.02 | aseigo | lippel_: eventually |
| 17:17.18 | oneforall | play threw I should here whats on the tape right ? |
| 17:17.33 | oneforall | why also does it not want to use arts :( |
| 17:21.01 | xerxes1358 | guys I have a user called : xerxes1358 but this user doesnt get listed in KDM at start up menu. ROOT/Guest are listed just fine and I can click on these names and then fill password and log in but my user is not listed and I have to write then name and password my self everytime. Anyone knows why ? |
| 17:21.44 | PotajiTo | i'm trying to compile kdebase, the configure is nice, no errors, but when i do "make" it gives lots of errors... what am i doing wrong?i tried to "make" it about a hour ago but i stopped it... maybe is that? |
| 17:22.54 | oneforall | ok got it had to turn off surround |
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| 17:37.18 | Dhraakellian | oooh! |
| 17:37.20 | Dhraakellian | ooh! |
| 17:37.27 | Dhraakellian | adding something to the kmenu |
| 17:37.32 | Dhraakellian | and setting the icon |
| 17:37.39 | Dhraakellian | that search bar is Teh Nifty! |
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| 17:39.34 | Oleg_ | ok, installing kdelibs 3.4 beta 1 |
| 17:39.49 | bzbb | I'm having arts problems |
| 17:39.56 | bzbb | with kde 3.2.3 |
| 17:40.22 | bzbb | it hiccups |
| 17:40.35 | bzbb | and lengthening the buffer makes it worse |
| 17:44.19 | PotajiTo | what is in kdeartwork? |
| 17:46.37 | oneforall | aseigo uugh I get play threw to work but not record :( |
| 17:47.27 | Dhraakellian | PotajiTo: collection of themes (window decorations, widget styles, color schemes, etc), screensavers (I think), and such |
| 17:48.00 | PotajiTo | aha |
| 17:48.15 | PotajiTo | is it fast installing from source? |
| 17:48.22 | PotajiTo | i'm with kdebase and is a pain |
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| 18:13.30 | rombeh | Insert file plugins (on kate) only enable on first open file, when I switch to 2nd/3rd/next file Insert file dissapear from tools menu. is it just me or.. |
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| 18:19.48 | amigan | I'm having a rather odd problem with kweather. I'm trying to use the station KPJI, and if I enter it, it complains the station doesn't exist, but the weather dialog says the correct station name (Point Judith Coast Guard) and the sunrise/sunset values show. |
| 18:22.13 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 18:22.49 | Dhraakellian | heh... the version in KDE 3.4beta1 apparently has a list of available stations |
| 18:22.50 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 18:23.27 | Dhraakellian | since black doesn't display well on all of my desktops |
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| 18:23.44 | PotajiTo | hi |
| 18:24.03 | PotajiTo | how do i install from source only kwin?not the whole kdebase |
| 18:24.38 | canllaith | PotajiTo: do you have kdelibs installed? and I doubt you can install only kwin |
| 18:24.57 | PotajiTo | yeah i hace kde up and running |
| 18:24.59 | PotajiTo | and yes i can |
| 18:25.06 | PotajiTo | because i did it |
| 18:25.09 | PotajiTo | time ago |
| 18:25.16 | canllaith | Well then why are you asking us? :) |
| 18:25.22 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 18:25.24 | amigan | I'm on 3.3.2 |
| 18:25.24 | amigan | It shows a list of stations, but Point Judith isn't in the list. |
| 18:25.28 | canllaith | Simply running make in kwin will give you 'no rule to make target libblah' |
| 18:25.44 | canllaith | So you then go and make libblah, and it will say 'no rule to make target libfoo' so, you go and make libfoo |
| 18:25.52 | canllaith | and you do this until it no longer complains. That is how you build a single module. |
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| 18:26.02 | PotajiTo | ups |
| 18:26.05 | PotajiTo | x crash |
| 18:26.09 | canllaith | at least, this is how I build only juk from kdemultimedia and only kpdf from kdegraphics. |
| 18:26.16 | canllaith | [07:23] <canllaith> Simply running make in kwin will give you 'no rule to make target libblah' |
| 18:26.16 | canllaith | [07:23] <canllaith> So you then go and make libblah, and it will say 'no rule to make target libfoo' so, you go and make libfoo |
| 18:26.16 | canllaith | [07:23] <canllaith> and you do this until it no longer complains. That is how you build a single module. |
| 18:26.20 | PotajiTo | what did you just say? |
| 18:26.27 | canllaith | sredna: hello :) How are you? |
| 18:27.03 | sredna | canllaith: I'm fine, I'm trying out kdissert now that I have recommended others to look at it so often.. it is quite a nice tool |
| 18:27.17 | canllaith | ok :) |
| 18:27.29 | sredna | PotajiTo: If you have the kdebase sources, run configure, and then cd kwin, make and make install |
| 18:27.39 | PotajiTo | ok thanks |
| 18:27.47 | PotajiTo | i was thinkg of that but not sure |
| 18:27.49 | PotajiTo | ;) |
| 18:27.57 | canllaith | Chances are it will want other libs built. |
| 18:28.02 | sredna | PotajiTo: Requires kdelibs and qt of cause |
| 18:28.08 | PotajiTo | yeah i know |
| 18:28.13 | PotajiTo | it's all done |
| 18:28.27 | canllaith | And it will require some libs in kdebase I suspect |
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| 18:28.47 | sredna | There are no libs in kdebase, except for libkonq |
| 18:29.09 | canllaith | lol when I run make in a single module in kdebase it often tells me I must build another to support it. |
| 18:29.16 | sredna | Really? |
| 18:29.19 | canllaith | Yes |
| 18:29.33 | sredna | Maybe it wants kcmshell or such |
| 18:29.37 | canllaith | quite possibly |
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| 18:34.51 | sredna | I wonder if they have something as annoying in gnome, or it's worth switching just to avoid that damned thing |
| 18:35.29 | sredna | Or maybe I should by a mac |
| 18:35.34 | sredna | Buy |
| 18:35.55 | canllaith | lol |
| 18:36.08 | canllaith | there are many days when KDE behaving badly sends me to the mac shop to look at ibooks |
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| 18:36.51 | sredna | No matter if I have a small or big cache, that f***g thing is running what feels like all the time, using what feels like 112% CPU |
| 18:37.10 | canllaith | lol |
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| 18:37.27 | sredna | :-) |
| 18:37.33 | canllaith | your computer is so mean to you sometimes I think I do not know why you don't just throw it out the window and play with your cat instead |
| 18:37.37 | sredna | Who can be pissed then.. :^) |
| 18:38.44 | sredna | Could someone running HEAD try confirming this: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98219 |
| 18:39.14 | sredna | (I expect you can't, but I'd like at least one more confirmation before I close it) |
| 18:40.41 | sredna | Editor->plugins |
| 18:41.35 | canllaith | ahah, I was looking at wrong plugins |
| 18:42.17 | canllaith | mmm nope, switching to a 2nd open file it still works |
| 18:42.26 | sredna | Good |
| 18:42.53 | sredna | rombeh: Are you still here? |
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| 18:43.02 | bietch | heya al |
| 18:43.03 | rombeh | yaps |
| 18:43.05 | rombeh | I'm listening |
| 18:43.20 | sredna | rombeh: Unfortunately neither I nor canllaith can confirm |
| 18:43.59 | rombeh | try open new file |
| 18:44.06 | sredna | rombeh: I did |
| 18:44.44 | canllaith | We both did |
| 18:44.57 | sredna | Hm, you are right actually -- all the KTE plugins are not present with a new file |
| 18:45.14 | canllaith | really? |
| 18:45.22 | sredna | Yea, press c-n |
| 18:45.39 | rombeh | u c? |
| 18:45.48 | sredna | Yes |
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| 18:46.05 | canllaith | ah, ok |
| 18:46.19 | canllaith | I have used the file dialog to open multiple files and this works |
| 18:46.21 | sredna | rombeh: Thanks for filing, I'll look at that |
| 18:46.27 | sredna | canllaith: Yea, me too |
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| 18:49.53 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 18:52.27 | arcade | One thing I wonder about in KDE. In 3.3, the imap support really seem to suck. Is this improving in 3.4? Or should someone start hacking it to get good? |
| 18:53.42 | canllaith | imap works really well here |
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| 18:55.58 | Flendor | Hello Phil |
| 18:56.34 | [Aura]kingwanj | canllaith looks like you had the day off but im wrong :P |
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| 18:59.35 | PotajiTo | hi |
| 19:00.15 | PotajiTo | anyone know a kde instant messenger for msn messeger? kopete crashes whith xcompgr running |
| 19:01.20 | gregday | gaim and centericq |
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| 19:03.25 | PotajiTo | kde one |
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| 19:05.33 | [Aura]kingwanj | or amsn |
| 19:06.18 | snugglemonkey | I have rebuilt PIM several times now, trying to get it to work with my IMAP mail, and to no avail. Anyone be able to tell me if this is a common problem or how to trouble shoot hte IMAP commands? I see no way to get the server responses at this point. |
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| 19:07.37 | PotajiTo | i want a kde one |
| 19:07.42 | PotajiTo | because the style |
| 19:07.48 | PotajiTo | ams is the ugliest client |
| 19:07.51 | PotajiTo | amsn |
| 19:07.54 | PotajiTo | ever |
| 19:09.42 | gregday | obviously you've never seen Licq :) |
| 19:10.06 | gregday | it really raised (lowered?) the bar on aesthetics |
| 19:11.44 | ep | Anyone use kdevelop IDE with Mandrake 10.1? I wanted to check this out but I'm unable to install it via Mandrake's urpmi (package manager). |
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| 19:19.00 | astro76 | ep: installs fine under mdk 10.1, you might want to visit #mandrake for hellp |
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| 19:25.20 | [Aura]kingwanj | the only IDE i know is hdd leads |
| 19:29.10 | Alethes | [Aura]kingwanj: integrated development envrionment |
| 19:30.22 | canllaith | ullo Alethes |
| 19:30.25 | Alethes | heya :) |
| 19:30.30 | Alethes | back to bluecurve again today |
| 19:30.33 | canllaith | heh |
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| 19:30.51 | Alethes | think it'd be a good idea to make a more neutral colored *curve? |
| 19:31.00 | Alethes | something with maybe silverish arrows, for instance |
| 19:31.19 | Alethes | after I finish this one, of course |
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| 19:31.22 | Alethes | changing colors is easy |
| 19:31.23 | canllaith | oooh that would be nice |
| 19:31.24 | [Aura]kingwanj | damn this linux larky is going to drive thunder bolts through my brain and give me grey hair by the time im 35 . |
| 19:31.29 | cybernout | hi all |
| 19:31.32 | Alethes | canllaith: I'm so tired of blue heh |
| 19:31.42 | canllaith | heh you'll be a lucky man if you avoid grey hair that long [Aura]kingwanj |
| 19:32.04 | Alethes | I'll probably never have grey, since I'm a blonde |
| 19:32.06 | [Aura]kingwanj | ive got 3 months to go , lol |
| 19:32.10 | cybernout | how can i make an desktop icon that launches an .bin file? |
| 19:32.18 | canllaith | Alethes: heh wishful thinking my lad |
| 19:32.20 | Flendor | her?? |
| 19:32.22 | cybernout | an executable... |
| 19:32.23 | canllaith | it just makes it less obvious |
| 19:32.23 | Alethes | heh |
| 19:32.24 | Flendor | Should have been his. |
| 19:32.32 | Alethes | canllaith: I don't really care, actually |
| 19:32.37 | Alethes | I've never been one to care how old I am |
| 19:32.46 | canllaith | it's already grey, no-one will notice |
| 19:32.47 | cybernout | its an game /roitball_demo |
| 19:33.14 | Alethes | I had a friend in highschool with grey hairs already heh |
| 19:33.33 | cybernout | i can get it running from its own dir, and then the bash console |
| 19:33.37 | [Aura]kingwanj | i think i start on the wrong side of computing win 95 / 98 and before that it was vic20 when i was a teenager |
| 19:33.46 | cybernout | but cant get it to work from the desktop .. |
| 19:34.06 | cybernout | linux, with KDE desktop |
| 19:34.08 | canllaith | cybernout: try setting the working dir to where it is? |
| 19:34.20 | [Aura]kingwanj | im being out brained by the youth culture of linux |
| 19:34.27 | cybernout | i did that, no succes |
| 19:34.31 | canllaith | youth culture? |
| 19:34.50 | canllaith | mmm and it works if you click on it in it's dir? |
| 19:34.52 | gregday | canllaith is there something that works like GNomemeeting, for KDE? |
| 19:34.55 | cybernout | its in /home/roitball_demo.... |
| 19:35.01 | canllaith | gregday: konference apparenly |
| 19:35.09 | cybernout | no i need to open console and paste it there |
| 19:35.11 | canllaith | cybernout: you could always drag a symlink to your kde desktop and try that |
| 19:35.11 | Alethes | there's another app too |
| 19:35.12 | cybernout | to run it.. |
| 19:35.14 | Alethes | starts with an A |
| 19:35.16 | cybernout | from its own dir |
| 19:35.17 | canllaith | cybernout: ah. |
| 19:35.26 | canllaith | That isn't what you just said. |
| 19:35.27 | canllaith | at any rate |
| 19:35.30 | [Aura]kingwanj | gregday i guess you have mandrake ? |
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| 19:35.38 | canllaith | try dragging a symlink to the kde desktop |
| 19:35.45 | gregday | [Aura]kingwanj slackware |
| 19:35.50 | canllaith | you can try putting it's 'work path'to the dir it is in |
| 19:36.03 | canllaith | and you can always tick run in konsole as a last resort |
| 19:36.07 | [Aura]kingwanj | ahhh , i need to check that out , being hearing about it |
| 19:36.22 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: you don't want to use slackware dude lol |
| 19:36.37 | canllaith | gentoo might be more your thing |
| 19:36.40 | canllaith | friendlier packaging system |
| 19:36.41 | [Aura]kingwanj | im using mandrake atm |
| 19:36.45 | Eagle101 | help. can someone please tell me why kde takes up to 30 sec. to open an application that i try to open...not all the time..but most of the time...(Gnome works Great, but i just dont like it )...please help |
| 19:36.47 | cybernout | i have it on the desktop now as symlink... |
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| 19:36.57 | cybernout | but cant click it to work.. |
| 19:37.35 | cybernout | in console it does not work either |
| 19:37.42 | cybernout | from the desktop.. |
| 19:37.42 | canllaith | Eagle101: have a look at this: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde/troubleshooting.txt |
| 19:37.43 | [Aura]kingwanj | in fact i installed mandrake to test linux out , ive been addicted since ... thats 2 weeks |
| 19:37.57 | canllaith | cybernout: you may have to wrap it in a shell scripts that cd's into the directory first |
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| 19:38.00 | canllaith | s/scripts/script/ |
| 19:38.06 | cybernout | i need to open console in the games dir to get it running |
| 19:38.22 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: given the problems you often display with mandrake I would not reccomend that you use slackware just yet |
| 19:38.34 | cybernout | thats true...where can i find some good info on that? |
| 19:38.36 | canllaith | it does not even pretend to be a newbie oriented distro. |
| 19:39.14 | Flendor | ... or you will have to ask questions all the time, lie me |
| 19:39.16 | Flendor | like me |
| 19:39.19 | [Aura]kingwanj | does kde come with the gentoo package ? |
| 19:39.24 | canllaith | yup |
| 19:39.29 | [Aura]kingwanj | thats cool |
| 19:39.47 | canllaith | I think gentoo is a bit friendlier for newbies with the automatic dependancy resolution and the like. |
| 19:39.48 | [Aura]kingwanj | i thought gentoo was an advance users distro |
| 19:39.54 | canllaith | lol um no not as such |
| 19:39.56 | canllaith | they just like to think they are :) |
| 19:40.39 | [Aura]kingwanj | mandrake has the auto dependencies also , i thought that was sweet or i would have died 2 weeks ago |
| 19:40.43 | canllaith | even LFS you just read and follow the instructions |
| 19:40.46 | Cerulean | [Aura]kingwanj: 'Gentoo package'? If you're talking about the livecd then no. |
| 19:40.49 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: in that case you might as well stay with it :) |
| 19:40.57 | canllaith | if you're happy with it no reason at all to change |
| 19:41.01 | canllaith | your mandrake can do -everything- my slackware can do |
| 19:41.05 | cybernout | some advise on a wrapper script? |
| 19:41.23 | Cerulean | cybernout: What does this script wrap? |
| 19:41.31 | Eagle101 | canllaith: can i please ask you a question abou that txt file? |
| 19:41.38 | canllaith | ? |
| 19:41.41 | Oleg_ | I'm compiling kdebase 3.4 beta 1 |
| 19:41.45 | Flendor | ..and it can be understood that you're addicted to Firefox, when you try to use a mouse gesture to close mIRC. |
| 19:41.50 | cybernout | well, it needs to cd into a dir and then exec an bin file.. |
| 19:41.53 | canllaith | hahaha Flendor |
| 19:41.53 | Flendor | Good night everyone. |
| 19:41.58 | canllaith | goodnight :) |
| 19:42.01 | Oleg_ | I hope I won't be disappointed when I install it |
| 19:42.07 | Cerulean | cybernout: cd foo ; ./bar.bin ? |
| 19:42.19 | Oleg_ | canllaith: you woke up recently? |
| 19:42.26 | canllaith | mmm no not all that recently |
| 19:42.28 | canllaith | 3 hours ago |
| 19:42.40 | Eagle101 | canllaith: i have alot of ip6 things in my /etc/hosts...do i need these or only the 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 19:42.48 | canllaith | Eagle101: ah. |
| 19:42.54 | canllaith | ipv6 I see. |
| 19:43.13 | Eagle101 | canllaith: yea, but i dont think i use ipv6 |
| 19:43.18 | canllaith | In all honesty if you don't know the answer to that question you probably shouldn't be using ipv6 |
| 19:43.54 | [Aura]kingwanj | im going to have a quick check on gentoo |
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| 19:44.32 | Oleg_ | canllaith: next version will be kde 3.4 Beta 2? |
| 19:44.38 | canllaith | Yes |
| 19:44.40 | canllaith | coming out very very soon |
| 19:44.49 | canllaith | far too soon, not enough time =p |
| 19:45.15 | [Aura]kingwanj | how does kde get released ? |
| 19:45.21 | canllaith | mmm what do you mean? |
| 19:45.33 | gregday | is there anything for linux that works with AIM or Yahoo's webcam chat? or are they totally proprietary |
| 19:45.51 | [Aura]kingwanj | i dont know what i mean , lol , who decides when it get released on the net |
| 19:45.51 | canllaith | gregday: kopete will, althogh not for 3.4 |
| 19:46.10 | canllaith | ah ok [Aura]kingwanj the coordinator for this release is a guy called Steven Kulow, you can read about it on the release plan |
| 19:46.33 | gregday | canllaith doesn't kopete just use gnomemeeting through a plugin? |
| 19:46.39 | [Aura]kingwanj | that sounds like a polish name |
| 19:46.44 | canllaith | gregday: Reread what I said :) |
| 19:47.12 | Eagle101 | canllaith: how do i know if i have dhcp or static ip address? |
| 19:47.19 | canllaith | Eagle101: you should just know. |
| 19:47.33 | canllaith | Are you on a network with a server, or are you on a home pc? |
| 19:47.49 | Cerulean | Eagle101: Do you have a broadband connection? Do you connect through a router? |
| 19:47.52 | canllaith | do you connect to the internet via a cable or adsl router with dhcp or perhaps directly using a modem? |
| 19:47.54 | Eagle101 | canllaith: home pc.. |
| 19:47.54 | canllaith | heh snap |
| 19:48.10 | canllaith | Eagle101: do ps ax | grep dhcpc |
| 19:48.12 | canllaith | see if that comes up with anything |
| 19:48.20 | Eagle101 | cerulean: i connect through a router and i have a broadband connection through road runner |
| 19:48.24 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: some info here if you are interested: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/ |
| 19:48.27 | [Aura]kingwanj | gentoo looks pretty sweet :o not what i expected |
| 19:48.28 | canllaith | ok, so that is probably dhcp |
| 19:48.34 | Cerulean | Eagle101: Then I guess you connect via dhcp and have a static IP. |
| 19:48.47 | [Aura]kingwanj | canllaith thanks :) |
| 19:48.48 | canllaith | in that case if you're not sure just put the name you want for your pc against 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:49.31 | snugglemonkey | anyone notice that the Kmenu updater doesn't pick up open office? |
| 19:50.03 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: it has to be in your path |
| 19:50.15 | canllaith | and usually open office is installed somewhere like /usr/share/OpenOffice or something like this |
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| 19:51.10 | canllaith | Ok :) Is there anyone on here who has access to a windows machine running msn messenger 6 with that handwriting plugin I can ask a favour of? :) |
| 19:51.27 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: Ok. Looking for path command... .bash I am sure. |
| 19:51.38 | Eagle101 | canllaith: that didnt come up with anything...ps ax | grep dhcpc |
| 19:51.57 | canllaith | Eagle101: well just follow the instructions like you are using dhcp :) |
| 19:52.01 | canllaith | easier :) |
| 19:52.14 | canllaith | No-one with msn 6? :P |
| 19:52.22 | canllaith | come on guys don't make me install windows ;) ;) |
| 19:52.26 | snugglemonkey | I have windows XP. |
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| 19:52.36 | snugglemonkey | I don't think it has MSN 6 though. |
| 19:52.42 | Cerulean | canllaith: You want to port it to kopete? |
| 19:52.46 | canllaith | ah that's ok lets see if the b/f has a winxp vmware virtual machine |
| 19:52.52 | canllaith | Cerulean: lol it is already ported to kopete |
| 19:53.03 | Cerulean | canllaith: Oh, cool! |
| 19:53.04 | canllaith | I just need a screenshot of the feature to go into the feature guide |
| 19:53.10 | canllaith | Cerulean: you can't send them yet but you can recieve them |
| 19:53.12 | canllaith | Works -great- |
| 19:53.25 | Cerulean | I'm impressed. I should keep up to date with these things. |
| 19:53.28 | canllaith | unfortunately my friend who usually sends them to me has not been online for me to take a screenshot |
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| 19:53.37 | canllaith | Cerulean: heh kopete has awesome new features :) |
| 19:53.59 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: Kopete is current on my machine, right? we have compiled that... |
| 19:54.06 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: I compiled that for you |
| 19:55.15 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I think I will need destroy the current kopete config for it to work properly. :) |
| 19:55.28 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: lol it is possible. $KDEHOME/share/config/kopeterc |
| 19:55.46 | Oleg_ | ok, people, time for me to start kde 3.4 beta 1! |
| 19:55.49 | Oleg_ | see ya soon! |
| 19:56.53 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: ah ja. it is not there. perhaps that is the problem :-D |
| 19:57.00 | canllaith | no |
| 19:57.05 | canllaith | if it is not there kopete should create it |
| 19:58.05 | snugglemonkey | ah.... /home/$kdehomem/share/config/kopeterc... |
| 19:58.35 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: if he doesn't have it installed, I can shut down, boot windows, and install it. |
| 19:58.58 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: erm /home/$KDEHOME ??? |
| 19:59.04 | canllaith | $KDEHOME should be an absolute path |
| 19:59.08 | canllaith | if it is not, fix it. |
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| 19:59.27 | Oleg_ | already see two new features |
| 19:59.41 | Oleg_ | another sound was added during startup |
| 20:00.18 | Oleg_ | and prettier icons appear when I point my mouse to the letter K and the other icons |
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| 20:00.33 | Oleg_ | but where are taskbar buttons? |
| 20:01.16 | code_ | n8 |
| 20:01.57 | Oleg_ | wow. the taskbar works a little differently now? |
| 20:02.06 | [Aura]kingwanj | i know what kde needs !!! ding ?:) |
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| 20:03.48 | [Aura]kingwanj | one of those cheesy intros where you get a little jingle and a welcome message and a brief way how to use it ... It will give the user a sense of brand new |
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| 20:05.36 | Oleg_ | hey, why is the keyboard layout switcher is gone from the kde 3.4 panel? |
| 20:05.40 | Oleg_ | canllaith? |
| 20:05.43 | Oleg_ | please help |
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| 20:07.11 | canllaith | ok maybe I am stupid |
| 20:07.24 | canllaith | but I cannot figure out how to install this msn 6 plugin ... surely someone in here uses windows =p |
| 20:07.25 | Manly_Mango | Which is better: KDE or Gnome? |
| 20:07.45 | Oleg_ | Manly_Mango: they are both great |
| 20:07.54 | Manly_Mango | but, which one is better |
| 20:07.56 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, a personal choice |
| 20:07.56 | canllaith | Neither, we all use irix and it's version of CDE |
| 20:08.18 | Oleg_ | canllaith: please, help! |
| 20:08.26 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, gnome is *clean*, simple, nice-looking, and easy to use |
| 20:08.31 | canllaith | except for those of us who are running windows 95 of course. We love our windows 95. |
| 20:08.35 | Manly_Mango | what is CDE? |
| 20:08.46 | Oleg_ | canllaith: there is no keyboard layout switcher on my panel! |
| 20:08.55 | Oleg_ | canllaith: please help me fix it |
| 20:08.59 | canllaith | Oleg_: so go and re-enable it |
| 20:08.59 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, kde is a bit more complex, more flexible/powerful, can look even more awesome (i think) |
| 20:09.02 | Manly_Mango | I just installed win95 on one of my machines today |
| 20:09.09 | canllaith | and stop being so whiney |
| 20:09.20 | Manly_Mango | jcurry, thanks |
| 20:09.24 | canllaith | please, it is so annoying to be on workspace 4 and have constant 'canllaith whiiiiiinge' pop up on notifications |
| 20:09.33 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, cde=common desktop environment, an old piece of software you shouldn't use :) |
| 20:09.43 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, try asking in #gnome also |
| 20:09.56 | canllaith | Yes, no doubt they also will treat you as though you are serious instead of the troll that you are :) |
| 20:10.08 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, or maybe de's aren't for you, check out fluxbox/blackbox, xfce, and others |
| 20:10.47 | Manly_Mango | what is the difference between a DE and fluxbox...? |
| 20:10.55 | jcurry | de=desktop environment |
| 20:11.03 | Manly_Mango | so a GUI? |
| 20:11.08 | jcurry | fluxbox is just a program menu and a window manager |
| 20:11.22 | Manly_Mango | I still dont see the difference |
| 20:11.29 | Manly_Mango | where can I get screenshots |
| 20:11.31 | Manly_Mango | ? |
| 20:11.35 | jcurry | a de is integrated and complete, with something like fluxbox, you roll your own environment |
| 20:11.47 | canllaith | Manly_Mango: you probably want to google for 'linux window managers' and check out all the project homepags |
| 20:11.51 | Manly_Mango | ok |
| 20:12.02 | Manly_Mango | thanks |
| 20:12.06 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, kde/gnome-look.org for those |
| 20:12.36 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, you really should try each and see which suites your tastes |
| 20:13.08 | Manly_Mango | is there something like a knoppix cd with both KDE and Gnome? |
| 20:13.34 | Manly_Mango | I dont want to bother installing it untill I know if its good? |
| 20:13.45 | Manly_Mango | nevermind the question mark |
| 20:13.46 | lippel_ | Manly_Mango: i think ubuntu has a good live cd with gnome on it. |
| 20:14.18 | lippel_ | Manly_Mango: well, you can remove the environment you don't like. |
| 20:14.38 | jcurry | knoppix has kde and gnome, doesn't it? |
| 20:14.49 | jcurry | if not, knoppix for kde, and gnoppix for gnome |
| 20:15.04 | Manly_Mango | oh |
| 20:15.06 | illissius_ | Manly_Mango: a wm is just the window manager and maybe some panels, a de also has a full complement of apps - media player, web browser, etc. etc. |
| 20:15.10 | Manly_Mango | yes, knoppix is only kde |
| 20:15.38 | jcurry | knoppix does have some basic wm's on it, maybe fluxbox and enlightenment? |
| 20:15.40 | Manly_Mango | illissius, thanks for clearing that up |
| 20:16.07 | lippel_ | Manly_Mango: so you are sure you want install linux and the question is which de, or aren't you sure to install linux at all? |
| 20:16.16 | illissius_ | jcurry: fluxbox, windowmaker, and maybe some others... don't think it has e |
| 20:16.33 | jcurry | illissius_, i'm just feeling wrong today :) |
| 20:16.58 | illissius_ | at any rate, ubuntu is very nice, including their livecd... it's probably the best packaging of gnome you'll find |
| 20:17.25 | Manly_Mango | I am going to install gentoo |
| 20:17.36 | Manly_Mango | I just dont know which DE to use |
| 20:17.53 | jcurry | right into gentoo, huh? its not easy... |
| 20:17.56 | illissius_ | Manly_Mango: this is #kde, what do you expect us to answer? ;) |
| 20:18.04 | illissius_ | (KDE, of course.) |
| 20:18.35 | lippel_ | Manly_Mango: do you have linux/unix experience? |
| 20:18.43 | lippel_ | any |
| 20:18.58 | lippel_ | if not, i suggest another distribution. |
| 20:19.00 | jcurry | gentoo is not exactly a beginner's distro... |
| 20:19.08 | illissius_ | well |
| 20:19.13 | jcurry | try ubuntu for gnome, simplymepis for kde |
| 20:19.18 | illissius_ | I had next to no experience when I started with it |
| 20:19.24 | Manly_Mango | lippel_, no, but I have a lot of general computer experiance |
| 20:19.33 | Manly_Mango | I used a lot of DOS before |
| 20:19.35 | Manly_Mango | but no unix |
| 20:19.35 | illissius_ | it has detailed instructions for everything so I don't think you'd have any problem with it |
| 20:19.41 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, like, general=windows/dos? |
| 20:19.49 | Manly_Mango | yes |
| 20:20.05 | Manly_Mango | I also used Fedora Core and Linux Corel |
| 20:20.05 | canllaith | yay got it |
| 20:20.13 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 20:20.20 | Manly_Mango | I know a few languages too |
| 20:20.26 | Manly_Mango | C++ and Java |
| 20:20.26 | illissius_ | Manly_Mango: I was the same way, windows "power user", and went straight to gentoo after giving mandrake a quick try and hating it |
| 20:20.36 | illissius_ | didn't have much trouble with it, so hopefully you won't either |
| 20:20.45 | Manly_Mango | ok |
| 20:21.06 | Manly_Mango | well, I installed it before but my Hard Drive broke somehow |
| 20:21.11 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde/remote1.png |
| 20:21.14 | Manly_Mango | now I need to install it again |
| 20:21.15 | canllaith | Isn't that cool? :) |
| 20:21.16 | TMS | does KDE try to do some keyboard mapping on its own? for instance the multimedia volume keys on inspiron |
| 20:21.23 | illissius_ | that doesn't mean I didn't have to troubleshoot, mind, just that I was never unsuccessful at doing so ;) |
| 20:21.49 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: that's purty neat. My kopete doesn't look like that, that's for sure. :) |
| 20:21.55 | canllaith | snugglemonkey: yeah, it can |
| 20:22.02 | canllaith | infact yours is newer than mine lol |
| 20:22.11 | canllaith | I have not been able to update for a while since I have not been at home |
| 20:23.49 | snugglemonkey | I thought I saw some dumps from you the other day that had the buddy icons and such all listed next to the contact. |
| 20:24.07 | snugglemonkey | Mine still looks like Kopete... well minus the icons that are normally there. |
| 20:24.11 | snugglemonkey | lol |
| 20:24.20 | canllaith | lol |
| 20:24.24 | canllaith | yes you did |
| 20:24.27 | canllaith | but I have lots of accounts |
| 20:24.36 | canllaith | that is my 'kdedoc' account that is basically default |
| 20:24.53 | snugglemonkey | regardless of how it looks, it works... and works in irc just as well. |
| 20:25.00 | canllaith | excellent |
| 20:25.34 | snugglemonkey | still trying to add OOo to my path... :) |
| 20:25.38 | snugglemonkey | brb |
| 20:26.04 | Manly_Mango | Has anyone here got WCIII:FT to work on linux? |
| 20:26.19 | canllaith | I have wcIII, I don't have the expansion |
| 20:26.26 | Manly_Mango | does it work well? |
| 20:26.33 | canllaith | reasonably well |
| 20:26.47 | Manly_Mango | that's my favorite game, so I had to be sure |
| 20:32.24 | jcurry | Manly_Mango, world of warcraft is better:) |
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| 20:36.17 | Manly_Mango | I dont want to pay $15 a month |
| 20:37.07 | Manly_Mango | That's too expensive for a game |
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| 20:38.27 | Theory | depends |
| 20:38.30 | jcurry | true |
| 20:38.33 | Theory | if you say you complete most games in a week |
| 20:38.39 | Theory | and they don't play them after two months |
| 20:38.58 | Manly_Mango | I still play Doom and Duke Nukem |
| 20:39.09 | Manly_Mango | I love the classics |
| 20:40.11 | Manly_Mango | If I pay $40 for a game, and play for 5 years, thats $8 a year |
| 20:40.57 | Manly_Mango | If I pay $50 for WoW with $15 a month, and play 5 years, thats $188 a year |
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| 20:43.46 | canllaith | hi there annma :) |
| 20:43.51 | annma | hi canllaith :) |
| 20:44.01 | jcurry | awww |
| 20:44.03 | jcurry | :) |
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| 20:45.42 | Manly_Mango | how do I not know math |
| 20:45.46 | Manly_Mango | that guy is a fool |
| 20:46.32 | Manly_Mango | I see, that should be 190 |
| 20:46.55 | sycofly | good day all .. ooh & Renze |
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| 21:00.01 | xerxes1358 | I have one question: was KDE syncronization tool (Kithen I believe) also part of KDE in KDE 3.3.0 ? |
| 21:00.42 | Theory | KitchenSync? |
| 21:01.46 | xerxes1358 | yes |
| 21:02.26 | annma | I think it was |
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| 21:04.29 | xerxes1358 | annma, cool |
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| 21:14.32 | hayzel | Hi. Have a little problem with mouse. I have kde 3.3.2. My mouse doesn't scroll any window up-down BUT only left-right. The only way to scroll up-down is to puthe pointer over the vertical bar object. How do I change this behaviour so it will scroll vertically by default? |
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| 21:15.36 | PhilRod | weird. Never seen that one before |
| 21:15.50 | clamothe | What key sequence can i use to switch to different desktops? |
| 21:16.02 | canllaith | hayzel: if you have a 7 button mouse you may need to use xmodmap to shuffle everything around |
| 21:16.09 | hayzel | clamothe: ctrl+tab |
| 21:16.13 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.24 | canllaith | (7 button = 4 buttons + scroll) |
| 21:16.42 | clamothe | hayzel: is there a way (As in wmaker) to switch via alt-1 alt-2 etc type of thingys? |
| 21:16.55 | hayzel | canllaith: I see. |
| 21:16.56 | PhilRod | clamothe: Ctrl+Fn where n is the desktop number |
| 21:16.58 | canllaith | If that's not the case I can only assume your ZAxisMapping is a bit funny? At any rate it's more an X server issue than a KDE issue. |
| 21:17.15 | hayzel | clamothe: ctrl+F1 ..... |
| 21:17.17 | PhilRod | clamothe: but of course it's all configurable in control center-> regional & ,,, -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 21:17.24 | canllaith | KDE not doing anything ever to modify your scroll settings, it simply reads them from X |
| 21:17.42 | clamothe | thanks, just found it as well |
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| 21:19.17 | hayzel | canllaith: I see. I have ZAxisMapping "6 7" , but this was also the option in my old configuration in mandrake that was working fine.... now that I made a jump to gentoo it doesn't work ...anyway thanks for all the info... |
| 21:19.35 | canllaith | hayzel: ok usually you would use ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 21:19.50 | canllaith | Then once you have started X put xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5' into a startup script |
| 21:20.01 | canllaith | ($KDEHOME/Autostart is one good place) |
| 21:20.02 | hayzel | canllaith: I will look for it. thanks. |
| 21:20.16 | canllaith | and of course Option "Buttons" "7" which I imagine you have |
| 21:20.18 | canllaith | :) |
| 21:20.43 | hayzel | hmm. nope. :( Never used it. |
| 21:20.45 | hayzel | :) |
| 21:21.29 | canllaith | Depending on what mouse you have : http://bryson.co.nz/linuxtip.cgi?22 |
| 21:21.38 | canllaith | It's just as valid for xorg |
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| 21:23.04 | octan | hello ppl |
| 21:23.16 | octan | how do i change the wm for kde |
| 21:23.35 | hayzel | canllaith: just checked the xmodmap command ... it works fine! thanks |
| 21:23.42 | canllaith | :) yw hayzel |
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| 21:23.49 | canllaith | just pop that somewhere it will run when kde starts |
| 21:24.00 | octan | i wanna change from kwin to enlightenment |
| 21:24.16 | octan | how cani do it |
| 21:24.22 | octan | what file to edit |
| 21:25.57 | PhilRod | that one *must* be in the faq. canllaith - is it? |
| 21:26.13 | canllaith | PhilRod: no I am afraid not. I have never wanted to do such a thing so ... I don't know how to |
| 21:26.29 | canllaith | It can be in the faq later today though if you give me a tip where to look :) |
| 21:26.38 | PhilRod | oh wait, I completely misread that question - ignore everything I said |
| 21:26.41 | PhilRod | d'oh |
| 21:26.43 | canllaith | oh ok then |
| 21:26.45 | canllaith | :p |
| 21:26.54 | PhilRod | I read it as 'how do I start KDE?' |
| 21:26.57 | PhilRod | duh |
| 21:27.02 | canllaith | heh you tired? |
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| 21:27.30 | canllaith | apt: ug |
| 21:27.31 | apt | ug is probably http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 21:27.36 | PhilRod | octan: there's some envar you can set. KDE_WM or KDE_WINDOWMANAGER or something |
| 21:28.00 | PhilRod | take a look at the kde for admins chapter in the user guide (the 'ug' link above) |
| 21:28.52 | sredna | KDEWM |
| 21:29.13 | sredna | As I allready explained earlier... |
| 21:29.15 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: if it doesn't exist, this has a good rundown on how to do it. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-config.xml |
| 21:29.26 | canllaith | I should probably put that in the faq really |
| 21:29.32 | canllaith | except |
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| 21:29.35 | snugglemonkey | You have to scroll down a way, but it's all there. |
| 21:29.40 | canllaith | it gets asked a lot by users who don't know what an envar is |
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| 21:29.50 | canllaith | who don't understand about child processes inheriting variables |
| 21:30.02 | canllaith | and who inform me that having to set an envar is a kludge and they don't like that solution |
| 21:31.10 | WindowsUninstall | When kde 3.3.3 exit? |
| 21:32.02 | annma | WindowsUninstall: pardon? |
| 21:32.17 | octan | sredna well if you explaned as i coud understand i woudent ask ;-c |
| 21:32.29 | sredna | octan: Sorry :) |
| 21:32.29 | WindowsUninstall | annma, Kde 3.3.3 is out? |
| 21:32.43 | octan | i did take a look in startkde script |
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| 21:33.01 | annma | WindowsUninstall: not that I am aware of |
| 21:33.04 | annma | not yet |
| 21:33.27 | sredna | octan: In the file that executes the startkde script, and prior to that, put the line 'export KDEWM="enlightenment"' |
| 21:33.44 | sredna | octan: Assuming that 'enlightenment' is the name of the executable, and in your PATH |
| 21:33.57 | octan | yepp |
| 21:34.55 | octan | so i shall put export KDEWM="enlightenment to .xinitrc? |
| 21:35.33 | sredna | Yes |
| 21:35.56 | sredna | Get but use quotes in both ends or not at all |
| 21:36.15 | WindowsUninstall | so i shall put export KDEWM="wmaker to .xinitrc? |
| 21:36.28 | octan | lol |
| 21:37.22 | canllaith | oooh two people made nice comments about my stylesheet :) |
| 21:37.47 | PhilRod | what stylesheet's that? |
| 21:37.53 | canllaith | Kopete one |
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| 21:37.57 | canllaith | half the channel are using it |
| 21:38.28 | PhilRod | ooh, writing kopete stylesheets is fun |
| 21:38.36 | canllaith | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=19968 |
| 21:38.49 | [Aura]kingwanj | annma is that short for ann ? |
| 21:39.29 | PhilRod | oh, actually, modifying existing ones is fun - I tried writing one from scratch, but kopete doesn't like 'proper' stylesheets with <xsl:template>s and <xsl:apply-templates/> :-( |
| 21:39.36 | canllaith | I wrote one from scratch |
| 21:39.41 | canllaith | but it's very very minimal that most would not like |
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| 21:40.02 | PhilRod | [Aura]kingwanj: that wouldn't be a very effective shortening... |
| 21:40.24 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: Anne-Marie |
| 21:40.30 | annma | lol |
| 21:40.43 | annma | annma is indeed longer than ann |
| 21:41.00 | annma | also my last name starts with Ma |
| 21:41.17 | annma | annmama should be more accurate |
| 21:41.47 | [Aura]kingwanj | lol |
| 21:42.04 | canllaith | PhilRod: this is the one I made myself |
| 21:42.06 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/kopete.png |
| 21:42.13 | [Aura]kingwanj | omg there are more women in here than a department perfume store |
| 21:42.19 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: see that: [15:46:48] <djurban> Annma - thats why KDE is a girl |
| 21:42.27 | canllaith | :\ |
| 21:42.29 | annma | isn't that nice? |
| 21:42.46 | PhilRod | annma: 'annmama' - hehe, bietch would like that :-) |
| 21:43.18 | annma | ;) |
| 21:43.31 | [Aura]kingwanj | well women are the brains these days |
| 21:43.36 | annma | lol |
| 21:43.40 | canllaith | only these days? ;) |
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| 21:43.56 | canllaith | damn where is lauri, we need some more kde-gurl power |
| 21:43.58 | bietch | arr.. |
| 21:44.09 | canllaith | selamat pagi bietch, apa khabar |
| 21:44.10 | canllaith | ? |
| 21:44.11 | snugglemonkey | some say we are heading back to the matriarchel <correct that spelling canllaith> society again. |
| 21:44.16 | [Aura]kingwanj | well god only knows what your kitchen skills are like , lol |
| 21:44.22 | bietch | canllaith : khabar baik kakak comel , khabar baik |
| 21:44.32 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: I am an excellent cook actually ;) |
| 21:44.34 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: ah ah ah, not so bad! |
| 21:44.36 | bietch | canllaith : kakak ape khabar ? |
| 21:44.41 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: I am French |
| 21:44.42 | octan | sredna it worked.thx |
| 21:44.46 | [Aura]kingwanj | me too but im too lazy |
| 21:44.50 | canllaith | bietch: khabar baik adik gila :P |
| 21:44.52 | sredna | octan: Hooray :-) |
| 21:45.02 | octan | srednaonly1 more Q; |
| 21:45.03 | [Aura]kingwanj | ann you are in france ? |
| 21:45.17 | annma | not anymore, [Aura]kingwanj |
| 21:45.22 | bietch | ermm..im busy with php stuff..bbl ppl =) |
| 21:45.26 | annma | I now live in Quebec |
| 21:45.27 | octan | how can i disable kde to set a wallpaper? |
| 21:45.29 | canllaith | jumpa lagi! |
| 21:45.38 | [Aura]kingwanj | we had a java programmer in our clan who was from france |
| 21:45.38 | anis[x] | canllaith : *hugs* |
| 21:45.39 | anis[x] | =) |
| 21:45.42 | octan | not thinking of "no wallpaper" |
| 21:45.45 | annma | octan: what do you want on your desktop background? |
| 21:46.06 | octan | annma E shall set the wallpaper |
| 21:46.09 | octan | not kde |
| 21:46.12 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: where are you? |
| 21:46.22 | annma | E? |
| 21:46.28 | [Aura]kingwanj | im in cardiff , wales , uk |
| 21:46.30 | octan | Enlightenmant |
| 21:46.35 | annma | is it its role? |
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| 21:46.54 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: :))) cool, I lived 7 years in Reading |
| 21:47.03 | PhilRod | [Aura]kingwanj: heh, me too :-) |
| 21:47.09 | annma | my kids are all British in their hearts |
| 21:47.11 | [Aura]kingwanj | i guess you did uni there ? |
| 21:47.17 | PhilRod | (well, actually I'm not there now, but I live there) |
| 21:47.24 | [Aura]kingwanj | phil youre in cardiff ? :o |
| 21:47.34 | annma | [Aura]kingwanj: no, no uni |
| 21:48.01 | PhilRod | [Aura]kingwanj: when term's out, yes |
| 21:48.36 | PhilRod | [Aura]kingwanj: at the moment I'm studying in Oxford |
| 21:48.50 | [Aura]kingwanj | nice , ive just found out a south wales linux community that have a channel on here today |
| 21:49.16 | PhilRod | oh yeah, I'm on the SWLUG mailing list. I went to a few of their events a while back |
| 21:49.22 | PhilRod | hrm, maybe it was just one :-/ |
| 21:49.26 | annma | lol |
| 21:49.29 | canllaith | you went to a LUG? :P |
| 21:49.29 | [Aura]kingwanj | phil my brain does reach half the heights to that of oxford . |
| 21:49.32 | canllaith | not a BUG ? |
| 21:49.49 | [Aura]kingwanj | lol |
| 21:49.51 | canllaith | That is the cutest thing I have ever heard. I want to switch to freeBSD so I can become a member of a BUG |
| 21:49.55 | annma | octan: you can't |
| 21:49.58 | [Aura]kingwanj | yeah swlug |
| 21:50.05 | PhilRod | canllaith: back in the day when I used linux :-) |
| 21:50.06 | annma | octan: E is only a window manager |
| 21:50.15 | canllaith | PhilRod: bah, you are a traitor! |
| 21:50.15 | annma | when with KDE |
| 21:50.40 | canllaith | :P |
| 21:51.02 | canllaith | so I don't mean it. I'm the least zealotish slack user ever |
| 21:51.11 | [Aura]kingwanj | canllaith i read that debian is one of the best linux distros |
| 21:51.18 | canllaith | [Aura]kingwanj: I can't stand it. |
| 21:51.30 | canllaith | all that apt-getting |
| 21:51.38 | [Aura]kingwanj | it has 7 cds |
| 21:51.42 | canllaith | NZ internet connections are slow and metered |
| 21:52.14 | canllaith | So anything that involves downloading lots of updates is not my idea of fun. |
| 21:52.31 | [Aura]kingwanj | ntl here are planning to upgrade from 300k to 1mb connections soon and 1mb will be 3mb connections |
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| 21:52.46 | canllaith | Nice |
| 21:52.51 | canllaith | I have a 2MBps connection here |
| 21:53.01 | canllaith | 2x 2MBps load balanced at franz, and 256K at home |
| 21:53.12 | canllaith | ... but, we can only download 5GB a month before we get charged big $$$ |
| 21:53.14 | anis[x] | emm..can i ask about some opinion from people here ? |
| 21:53.36 | canllaith | the load balanced connection we get 20GB transfer since we get 10GB per connection. That's pretty nice, but I don't go there often enough :( |
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| 21:53.42 | [Aura]kingwanj | the only problem with that is when they upgrade , its going to create connection problems and all kinds of lag and packet loss |
| 21:53.43 | anis[x] | what happened to linux users if they dont have internet connection at their home ? getting difficult using linux ? |
| 21:53.55 | canllaith | anis[x]: yes, it would be difficult |
| 21:54.11 | anis[x] | canllaith : arr..i think that is weakness of using linux ? |
| 21:54.20 | canllaith | anis[x]: mmmm |
| 21:54.27 | canllaith | anis[x]: I think it is a weakness of using any OS |
| 21:54.35 | canllaith | If you use windows with no internet connection you cannot download updates |
| 21:54.41 | canllaith | or ask for help on IRC |
| 21:54.51 | anis[x] | seems like linux need internet to download or use the software |
| 21:54.58 | canllaith | nah |
| 21:55.00 | canllaith | you can buy linux cds |
| 21:55.07 | canllaith | from the shop and use those instead |
| 21:55.12 | anis[x] | canllaith : but windows updates availaible in cds |
| 21:55.17 | canllaith | Yes, so are linux |
| 21:55.17 | anis[x] | im not sure about linux.. |
| 21:55.22 | PhilRod | I wouldn't say that linux without net connection is any worse than anything else, but it makes extensive use of the net |
| 21:55.24 | canllaith | I used to get this magazine every month |
| 21:55.32 | canllaith | And if a new mozilla or new kernel came out |
| 21:55.36 | canllaith | the sources would be on the cover cd |
| 21:55.47 | canllaith | I think I got KDE 3.1.4 on one of those cds too |
| 21:55.48 | anis[x] | owh..maybe here there are less people using linux |
| 21:55.55 | reuben | LinuxFormat has an essentials directory every month |
| 21:56.03 | reuben | with latest versions of very important stuff. |
| 21:56.11 | canllaith | there are no linux mags in australia that aren't horribly expensive :( |
| 21:56.22 | anis[x] | canllaith : u have advantages stay at NZ , u will feel pains if u were here.. :( |
| 21:56.24 | canllaith | they're all imported from the UK and something like $15 each |
| 21:56.27 | reuben | LinuxFormat is 6.50 |
| 21:56.36 | canllaith | heh not in australia it aint |
| 21:56.45 | anis[x] | any pirated cd here just USD 1.5 :/ |
| 21:56.57 | anis[x] | windows XP for USD 1.5 |
| 21:57.01 | anis[x] | hoho =) |
| 21:57.04 | reuben | lol |
| 21:57.20 | [Aura]kingwanj | how about creating a new mag .. linux - the new generation o:) |
| 21:57.28 | anis[x] | people just download free from the net if they are wish using linux..that is good! |
| 21:57.39 | canllaith | :) |
| 21:57.41 | reuben | not if they don't have a fat pipe |
| 21:57.44 | anis[x] | and now linux available for handphone right ? |
| 21:57.48 | anis[x] | handphone using LINUX OS |
| 21:58.01 | canllaith | I remember downloading redhat iso's on dial up internet |
| 21:58.02 | anis[x] | just 300 USD here lol` |
| 21:58.02 | canllaith | would take all week |
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| 21:58.27 | canllaith | We were the first business to sell linux cds to the public in the south island |
| 21:58.33 | anis[x] | canllaith : used dial up to download an ISO ? my god!..its horrible! |
| 21:59.01 | canllaith | lol yes |
| 21:59.12 | canllaith | much nicer to come here and pull them through at 300k a second |
| 21:59.19 | canllaith | from a NZ mirror too so it doesn't cost me much |
| 21:59.19 | anis[x] | Lol Renze..just wake up from sleeping ? |
| 21:59.27 | Renze | pretty much :) |
| 21:59.42 | anis[x] | Renze : go and take your shower busuk |
| 21:59.54 | Renze | anis[x]: later :P |
| 22:00.07 | anis[x] | arrr oki dokie |
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| 22:00.50 | octan | err bad connection |
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| 22:01.18 | octan | restart kdesktop then configure ? |
| 22:01.18 | anis[x] | not sure is it good or not :/ |
| 22:02.36 | anis[x] | canllaith / Renze / annma / PhilRod : i need to sleep..i have class on this morning *_* |
| 22:02.43 | anis[x] | Renze : catch ya later |
| 22:02.45 | Renze | sleep! |
| 22:02.48 | PhilRod | see ya anis[x] |
| 22:02.49 | anis[x] | canllaith : selamat malam =) |
| 22:02.52 | anis[x] | bubye |
| 22:02.55 | anis[x] | -x- |
| 22:04.41 | [Aura]kingwanj | ok gang im out for the night nn all \o |
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| 22:05.16 | arnold | how do you change the default OS for the grub boot loader in kde? |
| 22:07.11 | Renze | arnold: put the default first |
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| 22:08.09 | arnold | how do i get in to edit them |
| 22:08.29 | Renze | arnold: edit the grub.conf file... it's plain text |
| 22:09.03 | arnold | ok thanks |
| 22:09.16 | sredna | arnold: Put 'default=<index>' where index is a 0-based |
| 22:09.21 | sredna | In the top of the file |
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| 22:14.04 | sycofly | what you up too today Renze .. anything special that I need to know about ? |
| 22:14.19 | Renze | sycofly: not really... just general chores today |
| 22:14.41 | sycofly | k .. same here .. but on the pc's |
| 22:14.42 | sycofly | hehe |
| 22:15.24 | sycofly | i installed slapt-get yesterday and made a "my bad" error |
| 22:16.46 | sycofly | and i had no rescue disc either .. |
| 22:17.02 | Renze | whoops |
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| 22:39.06 | Lazydog | anyone here know what port kweather uses? |
| 22:39.16 | reuben | i'd imagine 80 |
| 22:39.22 | reuben | but i dunno |
| 22:39.33 | Lazydog | why 80? |
| 22:39.59 | PhilRod | http |
| 22:40.02 | reuben | because i would have thought it would have downloaded the data file from a webserver. |
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| 22:45.22 | NeoSadist | hey, does anyone know how to add a webcam in kde and get it to work? |
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| 23:34.17 | dicrapio | whats the wireless applet from the panel called? |
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| 23:34.34 | sredna | Kwifi? |
| 23:34.54 | NeoSadist | hey, does anyone know how to add a webcam in kde and get it to work? |
| 23:35.02 | dicrapio | nah, the one u get when right clicking on hte panel |
| 23:38.14 | illogic-al | away i'm off |
| 23:38.26 | illogic-al | blah |
| 23:38.39 | jcurry | g'bye |
| 23:39.28 | dicrapio | is the applet i think |
| 23:39.54 | dicrapio | i just need the name of it cause im in flux and like to use it |
| 23:40.25 | canllaith | those applets don't exist apart from the panel. You'd have to run kicker to get them |
| 23:40.41 | dicrapio | dam :( |
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| 23:54.47 | ryanoe | How can I find out what the operating temperature is of my laptop? I am using Fedora Core 2. What should the operating temperature be and not to exceed? |
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| 23:57.49 | slayerbob | ryanoe: it is dependent on your particular notebook |
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| 23:58.04 | slayerbob | for mobile celeron max operating temp is 66'C |
| 23:58.10 | slayerbob | for mobiile p4 it is 100'C |
| 23:58.26 | jcurry | canllaith, dicaprio could have run appletproxy |
| 23:58.29 | slayerbob | that is just for the processor - other parts of the notebook will have different requirements |
| 23:58.37 | canllaith | jcurry: why are you telling me? :) |
| 23:59.11 | jcurry | canllaith, you said 'those applets don't exist apart from the panel. You'd have to run kicker to get them'...he didn't have to run kicker to get them |
| 23:59.32 | canllaith | jcurry: I am still not sure why you're telling me :) |
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| 23:59.40 | canllaith | best to tell him that since I don't actually care. |
| 23:59.48 | jcurry | canllaith, so you could have told him |
