| 00:00.22 | sredna | hitu: It's odd that firefox has a icon and the others not |
| 00:01.22 | snugglemonkey | hitu: here is mine http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=31801 |
| 00:01.37 | snugglemonkey | hitu: there are some differences, but not sure exact details atm. |
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| 00:06.58 | snugglemonkey | hitu: you aren't exporting "PATH" at the end of your bashrc |
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| 00:17.26 | hitu | k |
| 00:17.29 | hitu | lemme re-login |
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| 00:17.45 | Paleo | Hi |
| 00:18.27 | Paleo | I've built KDE without arts. I've set system notification to use external player "play" , but it doesnt work. I've also tried aplay without succes (I'm using alsa dmixed) |
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| 00:19.53 | hitu | okay i screwed up again |
| 00:19.58 | hitu | i removed old kde |
| 00:20.09 | hitu | and now it wont lemme login into kde |
| 00:20.21 | hitu | i have to edit .xinitrc ? |
| 00:20.21 | snugglemonkey | :) |
| 00:20.36 | snugglemonkey | no, you can move it back from command line. |
| 00:20.44 | hitu | how |
| 00:21.00 | sredna | Paleo: You need a player that can play ogg files |
| 00:21.06 | sredna | Paleo: Fry 'aplay' |
| 00:21.12 | sredna | If you have that |
| 00:21.39 | sredna | ARTs rocks |
| 00:22.16 | hitu | yez :P |
| 00:23.38 | Paleo | it doesnt work neither for .wav |
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| 00:28.31 | hitu | hmm it didn find kde app's icons while i m in gnome |
| 00:28.32 | hitu | hehe |
| 00:32.02 | snugglemonkey | Hah, i think that lauri would get a kick out of this page. :) http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Selectively_Install_KDE_Programs |
| 00:32.57 | sredna | I'ts stupid though, at least for some KDE modules |
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| 00:34.00 | snugglemonkey | what's the file that contains what x runs when you type "startx" is it xinitrc? |
| 00:35.16 | SteamedPenguin | sredna: it works. |
| 00:35.19 | sredna | ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:35.21 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
| 00:36.05 | sredna | SteamedPenguin: What works? |
| 00:37.15 | SteamedPenguin | sredna: the split ebuilds, which DO_NOT_COMPILE is the precursor to |
| 00:37.56 | SteamedPenguin | sredna: instead of DONOTCOMPILE all KDE modules except the libs are split up with proper dependencies |
| 00:38.38 | sredna | SteamedPenguin: No comments |
| 00:38.52 | SteamedPenguin | sredna: heh heh |
| 00:40.26 | snugglemonkey | SteamedPenguin: "They" talk about it a lot here: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kde-split-ebuilds.xml |
| 00:40.44 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: I know. :) |
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| 00:41.08 | snugglemonkey | I realize that they know tons more than me, but I personally would install the whole package becuase I would use the whole package. |
| 00:41.38 | snugglemonkey | Those who would install just one package probably know what they are doing enough to do so. :) |
| 00:42.03 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: hmm, I suppose some people do that, but if I only use 4 packages out of kdemm then why should I wait for it all to compile? |
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| 00:43.02 | snugglemonkey | True. But, it doesn't take that long... well.. er.. ok, so it takes forever... I don't think I could sleep well without my computer working it's little processors to death whilst I sleep. ;) |
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| 00:43.15 | paines | hi |
| 00:43.43 | paines | is it possible to set up a filter in kprinter to print 4 pages on 1 ? |
| 00:43.55 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: my computer never gets turned off. I know something is wrong when the room is totally silent |
| 00:44.30 | snugglemonkey | ...and cold.... |
| 00:44.36 | SteamedPenguin | heh |
| 00:44.40 | SteamedPenguin | that too |
| 00:44.54 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: 20 and counting here. |
| 00:44.56 | snugglemonkey | whoa. |
| 00:45.02 | snugglemonkey | that's almost psycho. |
| 00:45.10 | snugglemonkey | 21 would put you over the edge. :) |
| 00:45.28 | snugglemonkey | SteamedPenguin: you mind if I PM you with a gentoo question? |
| 00:45.54 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: I suppose I could get 486, a Pentium classic, and some sort of slotted PII to run as well... |
| 00:45.58 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: sure |
| 00:46.08 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: I am no gentoo dev though. |
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| 00:48.44 | paines | ohh. i found it. |
| 00:48.45 | paines | bye |
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| 00:53.23 | MrHanMan | has anyone ever had trouble clicking and dragging? |
| 00:55.10 | aseigo^2 | only when i'm drunk. |
| 00:55.25 | snugglemonkey | a ahah hha . |
| 00:57.41 | slougi | is there some kde usenet client |
| 00:58.28 | MrHanMan | lol, seriously...i can't even select text to copy and paste...not without a fight anyway, and i can forget moving an icon |
| 00:59.21 | benklop | MrHanMan: i thikn i have had that problem |
| 00:59.26 | benklop | try hitting escape |
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| 00:59.51 | MrHanMan | umm...how with that help? |
| 00:59.59 | benklop | not sure |
| 01:00.20 | benklop | but after dragging some things my cursor can get stuck dragging it... wont let go |
| 01:00.31 | benklop | esc forces it to |
| 01:00.39 | koomi_ | benklop: mouse problem? |
| 01:00.56 | benklop | koomi_: dont think so, i have tried various mice, |
| 01:01.10 | MrHanMan | well, that's not what i mean...it's like when i move the mouse, for every pixel it moves, it unclicks and reclicks repeatedly |
| 01:01.10 | benklop | and the problem isnt very easy to repeat |
| 01:01.32 | benklop | MrHanMan: you have the wrong mouse driver then |
| 01:02.23 | MrHanMan | i've tried several different ones, though...i have a logitech mx700, and there's plenty of how-tos to set it up, but i still get the same thing |
| 01:02.57 | MrHanMan | could i direct you to a post i made about it on Gentoo's forums? |
| 01:03.04 | benklop | sure |
| 01:03.28 | benklop | i am using an older logitech mouse, and i had the problem if i used drivers for an ms mousse |
| 01:03.42 | chavo | snugglemonkey, throwing the mouse across the room usualy works for me |
| 01:03.47 | benklop | btw im a gentoo user as well |
| 01:03.47 | MrHanMan | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-295412-highlight-.html |
| 01:04.03 | MrHanMan | i've tried all kinds of things...which driver do you use? |
| 01:04.13 | benklop | let me check |
| 01:04.24 | benklop | i is an older mouse tho |
| 01:05.53 | lauri | is that in X or in the console? |
| 01:05.54 | benklop | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.58 | benklop | in X |
| 01:06.06 | benklop | in the console, lemme check |
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| 01:06.16 | lauri | in X, on freebsd, you should always use protocol auto |
| 01:06.26 | MrHanMan | i've tried that one too |
| 01:06.29 | lauri | unless you have a *very* old proprietary serial mouse |
| 01:06.38 | lauri | well, that's the one to use |
| 01:06.44 | hitu | k kde is workin now.. |
| 01:06.46 | lauri | so what else do you have in your X config |
| 01:06.52 | hitu | but its not listed on my sessions manager |
| 01:06.56 | hitu | how do i add it there |
| 01:07.09 | benklop | hitu: what istro |
| 01:07.14 | hitu | fc3 |
| 01:07.16 | MrHanMan | check out that link i just pasted...it's got the whole story |
| 01:07.19 | lauri | oh heh, I am in the totally wrong channel :) |
| 01:07.32 | hitu | i see only gnome |
| 01:07.35 | hitu | what link |
| 01:07.41 | lauri | never mind, you're not using freebsd (where all meece just magically work with auto) |
| 01:07.52 | lauri | hitu: what session manager are you using? |
| 01:07.56 | MrHanMan | lol |
| 01:07.58 | lauri | the answer rather depends on that |
| 01:08.08 | hitu | how do i find that out |
| 01:08.23 | lauri | well that's a very good question |
| 01:08.29 | hitu | hehe |
| 01:08.34 | lauri | ps ax | grep dm |
| 01:08.38 | lauri | in a terminal somewhere |
| 01:08.40 | hitu | did u mean gdm or xdm |
| 01:08.46 | lauri | it'll be x, g, k or w |
| 01:09.06 | lauri | aseigo^2: well, that's the point of having auto stuff isn't it :) |
| 01:09.13 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.16 | hitu | neither |
| 01:09.31 | hitu | [hitu@kinky ~]$ ps ax | grep dm |
| 01:09.31 | hitu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.31 | hitu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.31 | lauri | but I mean *all* mice (and they're pretty much guaranteed to not work with anything but auto) |
| 01:09.40 | lauri | you are apparently not running any of them |
| 01:09.44 | lauri | so which one would you like to run? |
| 01:09.52 | hitu | which one is better ? |
| 01:09.59 | sredna | Kdm :o |
| 01:10.09 | hitu | KDM :] |
| 01:10.13 | lauri | well, kdm will naturally know where to find KDE |
| 01:10.21 | hitu | i dont want gnome |
| 01:10.26 | hitu | it sux |
| 01:10.38 | lauri | if you say so |
| 01:10.43 | SteamedPenguin | hitu: naturally. :) |
| 01:10.45 | hitu | buts that my only hope if i wanna troubleshoot kde |
| 01:10.46 | hitu | hehe |
| 01:10.53 | hitu | may be i should install fluxbox |
| 01:11.07 | hitu | gnome is like win95 |
| 01:11.14 | hitu | lauri: yah help me :P |
| 01:11.35 | lauri | I'm not sure that's possible |
| 01:12.17 | hitu | what is |
| 01:12.23 | lauri | butterflies |
| 01:12.28 | hitu | :/ |
| 01:12.48 | lauri | to run kdm, as root, in a console, preferably with X not running at all, type 'kdm' and hit enter |
| 01:13.23 | lauri | and hope for the best - the default settings are fairly robust, and you should be able to log in as your normal user |
| 01:13.40 | hitu | okay |
| 01:13.57 | hitu | brb :| |
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| 01:17.32 | safrican | anyone here use mtaskbar ? |
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| 01:20.32 | hitu_ | okay .. that didn help |
| 01:20.41 | hitu_ | it just said "login failed" |
| 01:20.45 | hitu_ | for all the users |
| 01:23.19 | aseigo^2 | safrican: mtaskbar?url? |
| 01:24.25 | lauri | what kind of session did you tell it to log into |
| 01:24.41 | safrican | aseigo^2: its taskbar v.2 |
| 01:24.46 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19876&forummode=2&forumpage=0&forumexplevel=0 <-- apparently |
| 01:24.56 | hitu_ | lauri: kdm |
| 01:25.07 | safrican | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19876 |
| 01:25.27 | lauri | heh |
| 01:25.58 | hitu_ | :/ |
| 01:26.12 | lauri | aseigo: yet another fork of old code to make your day :) |
| 01:26.30 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: :) |
| 01:27.14 | slackd0Od | aseigo^2: what distro you run? |
| 01:28.23 | lauri | "Use ark or something different to unpack the archive" |
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| 01:35.21 | Flightbase | http://nopaste.php-q.net/115362 qt-copy, kdevelop cvs (checkout 30 mins ago) - any tips? |
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| 01:49.58 | Alethes | lauri: I'm diggin' the pager as a "taskbar" :) |
| 01:50.17 | Alethes | lauri: it'd be nice if it could be on the panel and still be as flexible as the real pager |
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| 01:58.41 | shevegen | heya. i accidentally just deleted the button (close to bottom,left) that minimizes all open windows |
| 01:58.50 | Alethes | too bad, man |
| 01:58.54 | shevegen | how can i get it back again? |
| 01:58.56 | Alethes | you're SOL now |
| 01:58.59 | Alethes | :D |
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| 01:59.13 | aseigo^2 | shevegen: right click on the panel, Add -> Special Button -> Desktop Access |
| 01:59.19 | shevegen | thx :) |
| 01:59.21 | aseigo^2 | Alethes: sorry to ruin your fun =) |
| 01:59.25 | Alethes | haha |
| 01:59.29 | Alethes | I was gonna tell'im :) |
| 01:59.36 | Alethes | I was looking for the exact path |
| 01:59.52 | snugglemonkey | aseigo^2: does the ^2 signify the number of downed beverages by chance? lol |
| 02:00.40 | aseigo^2 | snugglemonkey: unfortunately no. |
| 02:01.08 | snugglemonkey | I tried to do that, but my name was too long. :'( |
| 02:01.24 | SteamedPenguin | I wonder how hard it would be to have a grand ol' KDE cookout |
| 02:01.39 | aseigo^2 | how hard? |
| 02:01.46 | SteamedPenguin | to organize and stuff |
| 02:01.50 | snugglemonkey | SteamedPenguin: meet you halfway across the lake. :) |
| 02:02.04 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: hell, for a KDE cookut I'd come to michigan |
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| 02:02.40 | snugglemonkey | Michigan sucks. Let's go to Hawaii and drink to aseigo^2's success on kicker. |
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| 02:02.46 | aseigo^2 | SteamedPenguin: ah.. probably not that hard =) |
| 02:02.52 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: I have this small dream of having a ton of KDE users and devs grouped together for a huge cookout |
| 02:02.54 | aseigo^2 | SteamedPenguin: just have to arrange travel is all. |
| 02:03.02 | aseigo^2 | SteamedPenguin: that would rock the kasbah |
| 02:03.10 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: indeed it would. |
| 02:03.17 | aseigo^2 | michigan, huh? |
| 02:03.23 | snugglemonkey | You aren't that far. |
| 02:03.37 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: that's an option, but chicago might be easier |
| 02:03.46 | snugglemonkey | I'll host it, right on the lake. Sand volleyball.... bring your snowsuits... |
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| 02:04.06 | SteamedPenguin | snugglemonkey: well, it has to be warm |
| 02:04.18 | snugglemonkey | Yeah, I agree. |
| 02:04.24 | SteamedPenguin | I want to be able to smoke my hookah without the water reservoir freezing up |
| 02:04.25 | snugglemonkey | But it's a fun thought. |
| 02:04.49 | snugglemonkey | and we could all go to the sand dunes and drive the pinzgauer. |
| 02:04.51 | snugglemonkey | zoooooom. |
| 02:04.56 | aseigo^2 | SteamedPenguin: your in chicago? |
| 02:05.04 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: no, I am in Minneapolis |
| 02:05.19 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: but willing to travel for a cooKout |
| 02:05.53 | SteamedPenguin | heh |
| 02:05.55 | SteamedPenguin | Kanada |
| 02:05.57 | SteamedPenguin | :) |
| 02:06.02 | aseigo^2 | which is to say, i'm just about the most isolated kde dev there is =) |
| 02:06.07 | aseigo^2 | (from other kde devs) |
| 02:06.16 | aseigo^2 | worse than Canada. Alberta. |
| 02:06.33 | SteamedPenguin | well, Minneapolis or Chicago aren't that far from you |
| 02:06.39 | aseigo^2 | there aren't many kde devs in the western half of N. America, and most of those are in cali |
| 02:06.47 | aseigo^2 | true enough |
| 02:07.04 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: I bet you if you made it to Minneapolis we could get people together. :) |
| 02:07.26 | snugglemonkey | Can I work on a doc file and call myself like a mini dev, and be the only one in Michigan? I wrote a wiki once. ;) |
| 02:08.46 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo^2: think about it for a summer project |
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| 02:10.51 | dicrapio | need some help with ksysguard, i try to open it and seems to go on with the startup but nothing shows in the screen |
| 02:11.07 | dicrapio | yet it comes up in ps aux |
| 02:11.10 | dicrapio | any thoughts? |
| 02:11.45 | snugglemonkey | dicrapio: not sure if you could learn what it is doing by starting it from a konsole |
| 02:12.58 | dicrapio | let me check |
| 02:13.01 | shevegen | thx for the help, cu l8er |
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| 02:13.13 | Alethes | dicrapio: you applet is blank, right? |
| 02:13.29 | Alethes | dicrapio: open ksysguard, then drag monitors over to the applet |
| 02:14.23 | dicrapio | well i tried from the console but nothing happens, i hear the drive making noises as if it wanted to start but nothing shows |
| 02:14.28 | dicrapio | yet theres a process for it |
| 02:15.12 | snugglemonkey | hmmm.... that is a sign that it is above my head. :) |
| 02:15.35 | dicrapio | hmm |
| 02:15.46 | snugglemonkey | dicrapio: What are you using? 3.2 3.3 cvs? |
| 02:16.17 | spanglesontoast | why won't my sound detection thing change? |
| 02:16.49 | snugglemonkey | If it's CVS, perhaps you should recompile as it definately doesn't sound "normal." |
| 02:16.52 | dicrapio | 3.23 |
| 02:16.55 | dicrapio | 3.2.3 |
| 02:17.24 | dicrapio | nope 3.3.2 |
| 02:17.38 | snugglemonkey | dicrapio: and you're not running it through something strange like NX or VNC? |
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| 02:21.43 | maneit | Hi. How can I setup artsd so that it takes input from network? |
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| 02:24.09 | annma | maneit: what exactly does not work? |
| 02:24.50 | maneit | annma: I have no idea where to start acctually. I have a server (without xfree86/kde, but with artsd) and a client (with kde and artsd), how do I setup the server? |
| 02:25.25 | Alethes | aseigo^2: does konq have anything like mozilla's pipelining support? |
| 02:25.56 | annma | maneit: what do you want the server to do? |
| 02:26.16 | maneit | annma: Play the sound I select from the client (e.g via amarok on the client) |
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| 02:26.40 | annma | is amarok working on the client? |
| 02:26.50 | maneit | yes |
| 02:27.13 | h | hey guys i'm wondering..i would like to change the icon used for kmix, can someone tell me how? |
| 02:27.40 | annma | h: change where? |
| 02:27.44 | h | how do i make the icon be any image anywhere on my system |
| 02:27.45 | gregday | h: check $KDEDIR/share/apps/kmix/ |
| 02:28.18 | Gumby | h: I'd personally locate kmix |grep png and see which one looks right and then move it elsewhere and substitute the icon you want to use |
| 02:28.33 | annma | maneit: and if yu issue a dcop call from the server to the client? |
| 02:29.07 | maneit | I havent setup any client/server relations yet.. only installed artsd on the server, I figured I had to set it up to "listen"? :) |
| 02:30.42 | annma | you want the server play the sound, you issue a dcop call from the server to the client |
| 02:30.51 | annma | seems simple enough |
| 02:30.57 | annma | hmmm |
| 02:30.58 | annma | no |
| 02:31.04 | annma | that'll play the client |
| 02:31.31 | maneit | No, I want the client to play sound via artsd, which sends the "signals" or whatever to the servers artsd, which plays it off the soundcard on the server |
| 02:31.40 | annma | yes |
| 02:31.44 | annma | why? |
| 02:31.47 | annma | :> |
| 02:31.54 | maneit | Soundcard on my laptop is dead |
| 02:31.58 | maneit | hehe |
| 02:32.10 | annma | why not haing amarok on the server |
| 02:32.14 | annma | having |
| 02:32.39 | maneit | I have no monitor on it, and I have no plans to install anything graphical on it |
| 02:34.59 | annma | did yu look at artsd options? |
| 02:35.04 | maneit | yes, on the client |
| 02:35.11 | annma | server/network options: |
| 02:35.11 | annma | -n enable network transparency |
| 02:35.20 | maneit | And on the server I figured I maybe needed "artsd -a nas" |
| 02:35.24 | annma | -p <port> set TCP port to use (implies -n) |
| 02:36.01 | maneit | oh |
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| 02:37.30 | annma | so you can start with that |
| 02:39.08 | maneit | yes, I've got it running on a port now.. |
| 02:39.16 | annma | :) |
| 02:39.32 | maneit | For the client I've got "Enable networked sound" in kcontrol |
| 02:39.50 | annma | yes, seems good |
| 02:39.57 | dicrapio | snugglemonkey, nope, regular flu |
| 02:39.59 | dicrapio | flux |
| 02:40.00 | maneit | But artsd crashes whenever I use "Network Audio System" for audio device |
| 02:40.36 | snugglemonkey | dicrapio: I dunno if it will run on flux? Maybe someone else will know. |
| 02:42.18 | dicrapio | i does, my desktop settup starts it |
| 02:42.31 | dicrapio | for some reason all of the sudden it wont on my laptop |
| 02:42.40 | dicrapio | dam thing :( |
| 02:43.26 | maneit | annma: Should I even be selecting to use "Network Audio System" as audio device? |
| 02:43.29 | snugglemonkey | aseigo^2: you are my HERO! I just built the entire KDE cvs without a hitch with your corrected sudoers line. :) Now to figure out exactly what kdewidgets and kmusic contain... lol |
| 02:43.41 | annma | maneit: try without it |
| 02:44.57 | maneit | I have a feeling there should be some auth'ing somewhere along the road to get this working also (Since there is: -u public, no authentication (dangerous!)) |
| 02:47.50 | maneit | No sound, but i best try tomorrow, getting kinda late here |
| 02:48.07 | annma | yes |
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| 02:51.00 | snugglemonkey | annma: kdenox? what is that? and more importantly, do I need it? :) |
| 02:51.19 | annma | no idea, snugglemonkey =) |
| 02:51.32 | snugglemonkey | it's poking up in cvs. |
| 02:51.53 | snugglemonkey | I'm really interested in kdgantt, but it looks really unready for remedial users. |
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| 02:52.08 | spiderworm2 | hey all can k3b burn from an iso image? |
| 02:52.23 | grepper | I bloody hope so |
| 02:52.43 | spiderworm2 | lol how? |
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| 02:53.35 | grepper | keep clicking :) |
| 02:53.47 | grepper | must be a "burn from image" or somesuch |
| 02:54.00 | spiderworm2 | i would think but uh... |
| 02:54.21 | annma | Tools menu |
| 02:54.36 | thiago | it even calculates the MD5 sum for you |
| 02:54.39 | annma | CD -> Burn CD image |
| 02:55.05 | spiderworm2 | omg you are so right |
| 02:55.09 | spiderworm2 | thank you very much |
| 02:55.17 | spiderworm2 | i went through there like 5 times |
| 02:55.40 | snugglemonkey | yeah, I think it says "Image" but not ISO |
| 02:55.46 | snugglemonkey | easy to miss in a hurry. |
| 02:55.58 | annma | Image is iso or cue, only not nero |
| 02:56.13 | annma | spiderworm2: and dragging the iso does not work? |
| 02:56.34 | annma | I would imagine it works but I have no iso available to see |
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| 02:59.33 | illogic-al | beat them! |
| 02:59.44 | thiago | thread-hijackers, top posters, bad quoters |
| 02:59.51 | canllaith | What culture raises people to believe they have the right to be rude to people they don't know, who's product they're using for free? |
| 02:59.57 | canllaith | thiago: yes, those piss me off too :P |
| 03:00.09 | Alethes | canllaith: in the US, they're called democrats :D |
| 03:00.14 | canllaith | Alethes: LOL |
| 03:00.19 | thiago | lol |
| 03:01.16 | Alethes | is qt easy to use -- something that would be good for me to learn gui programming with c++? |
| 03:01.35 | thiago | yes |
| 03:01.41 | annma | Alethes: yes!!!! |
| 03:01.41 | Alethes | hmmm |
| 03:01.44 | canllaith | c++ is such a horrible language though |
| 03:01.47 | Alethes | I think that's my next project |
| 03:01.53 | annma | Alethes: gofor it1 |
| 03:01.56 | canllaith | (I mean, nothing against KDE or qt c++ is just so stupidly convoluted) |
| 03:01.58 | Alethes | 'cause I wanna fix everything that annoys me about kde :D |
| 03:02.01 | thiago | canllaith: C++, where you friends can see your privates! |
| 03:02.08 | thiago | s/you/your/ |
| 03:02.13 | annma | canllaith: hmm, what do you like then? |
| 03:02.13 | canllaith | thiago: lol! |
| 03:02.25 | canllaith | annma: well, I rather like perl although I know that everyone else hates it |
| 03:02.31 | Alethes | I used to like perl |
| 03:02.35 | annma | not the same thing |
| 03:02.37 | Alethes | I used it for web apps before I found php |
| 03:02.47 | Alethes | I'm more of a web dev kinda guy |
| 03:02.47 | canllaith | annma: I think I prefer the structure of python and some lisp derivatives to C |
| 03:02.48 | illogic-al | omg. it's scary in #amarok tonight. that bot is actually almost making sense. |
| 03:02.50 | Alethes | I love databases |
| 03:02.51 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:02.53 | ironfroggy | PYTHON |
| 03:03.00 | illogic-al | [22:02] <amaroK> illogic-al: Heh, a gentoo dev opened that kde wouldn't work on tonight. |
| 03:03.07 | canllaith | lol |
| 03:03.07 | snugglemonkey | does anyone know why ksnapshot does not seem to work in an NX session? |
| 03:03.14 | canllaith | that bot is getting sentient how scary |
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| 03:03.42 | illogic-al | he also came up with a slogan for the amarok livecd |
| 03:03.44 | canllaith | Please tell me it's vocabulary has been reset since brucehoult and oleg taught it bad words |
| 03:03.47 | canllaith | :P |
| 03:03.51 | illogic-al | [21:58] <amaroK> There's a party in the cd. |
| 03:03.55 | Alethes | hah |
| 03:03.57 | illogic-al | lmao |
| 03:03.59 | Alethes | hahahaha |
| 03:04.01 | illogic-al | canllaith: it has. |
| 03:04.28 | illogic-al | this wasn't really intentional though. |
| 03:05.38 | jcurry | kmail is acting weird...i am trying to send an email with a largish (1.2 mb) attachement...kamil can send normal mails, but on this message, it tells me it can't write to *file* smtp.myisp.com |
| 03:05.43 | jcurry | any ideas? |
| 03:05.50 | canllaith | That sounds very bizzare. |
| 03:06.34 | canllaith | Can it send a mail with a smaller attachment, just to test what it's actually balking on ? |
| 03:06.35 | jcurry | it is |
| 03:06.41 | Alethes | jcurry: it's canllaith's fault, of course |
| 03:06.44 | jcurry | um, i'll try |
| 03:06.47 | jcurry | Alethes, lol |
| 03:06.58 | canllaith | heh wow I woke up and my brother in law was in the kitchen doing the dishes |
| 03:07.01 | Alethes | she's pokin' around in cvs |
| 03:07.04 | canllaith | if he keeps this up, I wont let him go home. |
| 03:07.53 | jcurry | canllaith, it can send a 10kb attachment...with the larger one, it goes to 8%, then gives the error |
| 03:08.14 | jcurry | oops, it looks like this one is crapping out at 98% |
| 03:08.16 | Alethes | might be out of /tmp space? |
| 03:08.20 | jcurry | i thought it was sent |
| 03:08.46 | canllaith | it's a moving target, and I keep missing it |
| 03:08.56 | canllaith | bloody hyperactive devs, I think we should put aseigo on ritalin. |
| 03:08.58 | canllaith | ;) |
| 03:09.03 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:09.08 | Alethes | less coffee, more beer |
| 03:09.24 | annma | lol |
| 03:09.52 | jcurry | Alethes, nope, plenty of room there |
| 03:09.53 | thiago | canllaith: yeah |
| 03:09.57 | thiago | now try bug reporters! |
| 03:10.35 | canllaith | Phil keeps emailing me instead of going to b.k.o lol |
| 03:10.35 | jcurry | would it be possible that it is my isp's fault? |
| 03:10.41 | Alethes | no |
| 03:10.42 | annma | canllaith: how about adding something about dcop in the FAQ? |
| 03:10.45 | Alethes | I already told you who to blame |
| 03:10.51 | canllaith | annma: ok :) |
| 03:11.03 | Alethes | I have a question for the faq |
| 03:11.09 | canllaith | jcurry: one thing I'd do, is download thunderbird or the free version of scribe if it's not too much trouble |
| 03:11.12 | Alethes | why is gnome so damn far behind? |
| 03:11.13 | canllaith | and try and send using that |
| 03:11.24 | canllaith | Alethes: bahahahaha I think I'd get in trouble for that one. |
| 03:11.36 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:11.39 | canllaith | Although I'm surprised I haven't got flamed for 'how to ask smart questions' yet |
| 03:11.42 | jcurry | canllaith, i have evolution, i'll try that...don't know how i didn't think of that :) |
| 03:11.54 | canllaith | jcurry: well it doesn't fix the problem but then we can sure know if it's kmail or your isp or what :) |
| 03:12.00 | Alethes | jcurry: actually, a lot of ISPs limit the size of attachments you can send through their smtp servers |
| 03:12.06 | thiago | Alethes: we have a 2 year head start |
| 03:12.07 | canllaith | Alethes: I got told to write this: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/questions.html |
| 03:12.30 | jcurry | Alethes, well, they didn't do it before, and they usually tell me stuff like this |
| 03:12.35 | canllaith | A long term and legendary KDE contributer came back to #kde after a very long absence and was so pissed with the users that I got told to write this ;p |
| 03:12.43 | aseigo^2 | thiago: 8 months |
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| 03:12.51 | canllaith | Well, I think the silly people on the mailing lists contributed to that as well. |
| 03:12.52 | StR | hi there |
| 03:13.10 | canllaith | aseigo^2: dear god, you're multiplying exponentially. First peyton, now the world? |
| 03:13.11 | StR | how should artsdsp and artsd permitions be? |
| 03:13.16 | aseigo^2 | thiago: which is what.. 8%? |
| 03:13.35 | aseigo^2 | canllaith: indeed. fear my nanofembots of replication! |
| 03:13.44 | thiago | aseigo^2: really? |
| 03:13.49 | thiago | I was really sure it was 2 years... |
| 03:13.55 | Alethes | canllaith: good thinking heh |
| 03:13.59 | aseigo^2 | StR: executable.. that's about it |
| 03:14.20 | canllaith | Alethes: the article? Yeah, although I had to write it a few times to eradicate any 'snark' |
| 03:14.29 | StR | aseigo: 0755 should be ok? |
| 03:14.34 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:14.43 | thiago | aseigo^2: I don't think it's a good idea to emit quitSelcted( |
| 03:14.47 | thiago | :-P |
| 03:14.51 | Alethes | *** canllaith is now known as snark |
| 03:15.00 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 03:15.11 | Alethes | :o |
| 03:15.11 | Queen_Snark | oh fuck I've done it again >.< I'm in non kde related channels |
| 03:15.26 | aseigo^2 | thiago: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Using_GNOME_:_History_of_GNOME |
| 03:15.59 | aseigo^2 | thiago: why isn't it a good idea? or am i missing a joke due to my lack of food intake |
| 03:16.22 | Queen_Snark | unhappiness over licensing problems with KDE? |
| 03:16.44 | thiago | aseigo^2: because typos don't compile :) |
| 03:16.59 | thiago | you know, that sounded a lot funnier in my head |
| 03:17.09 | Queen_Snark | lololol |
| 03:17.13 | jcurry | Queen_Snark, aha, it looks to be an isp problem |
| 03:17.21 | aseigo^2 | thiago: oh. hahahha.. |
| 03:17.24 | Queen_Snark | jcurry: ah interesting, I guess you'll have to ring them up and yell at them |
| 03:17.29 | aseigo^2 | thiago: good thing the comment isn't hte code =P |
| 03:17.39 | jcurry | Queen_Snark, i will do that |
| 03:17.53 | thiago | aseigo^2: you know... I've been known to commit without compiling first |
| 03:18.19 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:18.22 | Queen_Snark | I get snarky as canllaith (which means basically !snarky in english) |
| 03:18.31 | Queen_Snark | so maybe as the Queen of snark I'll be nice and confuse everyone |
| 03:18.46 | aseigo^2 | thiago: so.. yeah. guh-nome started in the second half of 97... the kde announcement was late 96. |
| 03:18.52 | aseigo^2 | Oct 14 1996, actually |
| 03:19.02 | Alethes | they both sucked about that time, too :D |
| 03:19.22 | aseigo^2 | "The GNU GNOME project was initially announced in August, 1997" |
| 03:19.38 | Alethes | know what I like most about KDE? the lack of "GNU" |
| 03:19.43 | Alethes | no gnu is good gnu :D |
| 03:19.47 | aseigo^2 | so... less than 10 months at least.. |
| 03:20.14 | *** part/#kde annma (~annma@annma.developer.kde) |
| 03:20.20 | aseigo^2 | so we really don't have that significant a head start. and when you consider the # of full timers on GNOME versus on KDE it gets even more ludicrous =) |
| 03:20.20 | thiago | aseigo^2: I remember reading about KDE in the early days |
| 03:20.49 | thiago | someone pointed me to www.kde.org. I thought, "yeah, right!" |
| 03:20.52 | Alethes | gnome is just a disaster from the project management standpoint |
| 03:21.03 | thiago | "Provide a full desktop environment for Unix?" |
| 03:21.21 | thiago | mind you, I was comparing to fvwm2-95 |
| 03:21.28 | aseigo^2 | thiago: heh. yeah. remember that picture of a laptop that was on the main page for like... ever? |
| 03:21.30 | thiago | s/2-95/95-2/ |
| 03:21.42 | thiago | aseigo^2: I do :) |
| 03:21.52 | thiago | I never ran KDE 1 |
| 03:22.00 | thiago | I ran KDE beta 3, then skipped to 2.0 beta 1 |
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| 03:22.10 | aseigo^2 | i ran it briefly in a devel office. |
| 03:22.26 | Queen_Snark | So I used the very last versions of kde2, and then kde3 was such an amazing improvement it totally blew me away |
| 03:22.31 | aseigo^2 | but yeah, i didn't start getting really interested in kde until Krash |
| 03:22.35 | thiago | Queen_Snark: true |
| 03:22.41 | Queen_Snark | and I'm still in love with that very first set of crystal icons |
| 03:22.43 | thiago | Queen_Snark: remember the old hicolor icon theme? |
| 03:22.55 | Queen_Snark | thiago: yes and I actually like this theme :) |
| 03:22.59 | aseigo^2 | thiago: ooooh yeah! old skool, kicken' it now |
| 03:23.04 | thiago | mind you Crystal wasn't the default until KDE 3.1 |
| 03:23.12 | Queen_Snark | I remember upgrading to kde 3.1 |
| 03:23.17 | Queen_Snark | and looking at all the pretty new icons |
| 03:23.19 | Alethes | I never have gotten into kde's look |
| 03:23.26 | Queen_Snark | that kwrite icon is gorgeous |
| 03:23.32 | Alethes | I'm only using it now, 'cause it's so far ahead of gnome's functionality |
| 03:23.42 | thiago | Alethes: change the themes |
| 03:23.52 | Alethes | thiago: of course :) |
| 03:23.55 | Queen_Snark | He is, and he's completing the 'bluecurve' icon set for KDE :) |
| 03:24.02 | Alethes | most of the themes look like they're made for little girls though |
| 03:24.04 | Queen_Snark | (so he's whinging AND doing something productive.) |
| 03:24.09 | Queen_Snark | Alethes: .... and your point is??? |
| 03:24.14 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:24.16 | Queen_Snark | I don't see me and annma and lauri complaining ;) |
| 03:24.25 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:24.40 | Queen_Snark | Same, on this machine |
| 03:24.49 | aseigo^2 | little girls? heh. |
| 03:24.54 | Queen_Snark | I have a different theme setup on each machine heh |
| 03:25.03 | Alethes | I'm using lipstick, kifty and bluecurve |
| 03:25.28 | Queen_Snark | interesting |
| 03:25.42 | Queen_Snark | I could have sworn I had a screenshot on deviantart with my hicolor icons |
| 03:25.55 | Queen_Snark | since I was still using them up until about 2 months ago |
| 03:27.08 | Queen_Snark | http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.1/fullsize/1.png |
| 03:27.13 | Queen_Snark | That was the version of crystal that I liked |
| 03:27.28 | Queen_Snark | except it wasn't quite complete iirc, some hicolor icons would show through |
| 03:29.25 | Alethes | reinhardt is the most complete theme I've ever seen, I think |
| 03:29.36 | Queen_Snark | Yeah, and it's gorgeous. |
| 03:29.39 | Alethes | eh |
| 03:29.42 | Alethes | it's ok |
| 03:29.49 | Alethes | I tried it for a while |
| 03:29.51 | Queen_Snark | I'm starting to use default crystal now though, with different folders |
| 03:29.54 | Alethes | couldn't get into it |
| 03:30.00 | aseigo^2 | lol. the window manager section on this is great: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php |
| 03:31.12 | Alethes | if I learn C++ and QT, I'm gonna go through and simply every last one of the settings dialogs |
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| 03:31.34 | aseigo^2 | Alethes: promise? i'll teach you. =P |
| 03:31.37 | Alethes | of course, it'll just be for me, 'cause none of you kde'ers would like it :P |
| 03:32.15 | Alethes | aseigo^2: that'd rock :) |
| 03:32.28 | Alethes | I'm working on a pretty big web project right now, but that's on my list |
| 03:33.01 | Alethes | I like gnome's approach in that regard, not really losing the settings, but not feeling like they all have to be exposed through the gui either |
| 03:33.18 | Queen_Snark | So from the look of that list probably something like next century? |
| 03:34.18 | Alethes | I've got all that web stuff |
| 03:34.25 | Alethes | I'd like to do more desktop stuff now |
| 03:34.46 | aseigo^2 | Alethes: i think there are other ways of going. a middle road, if you will. |
| 03:34.47 | Queen_Snark | well ... there is a lot to 'all that web stuff' really |
| 03:35.00 | Alethes | aseigo^2: sure, I don't doubt it |
| 03:35.12 | aseigo^2 | between "hide most things, get rid of the rest" and "look at the 2^N config options we have. all here in the gui" |
| 03:35.17 | Alethes | I'm just going by what I'm familiar with |
| 03:35.25 | Queen_Snark | I really don't feel hiding all the configuration options from the gui is a good idea. |
| 03:35.34 | Queen_Snark | Most of them are there because people wanted them |
| 03:35.53 | Queen_Snark | every time a configuration option is -removed- from the gui everyone roars in displeasure |
| 03:36.00 | aseigo^2 | ... god kills a kitten? hehe |
| 03:36.01 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:36.06 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 03:36.15 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: well, that's not a good reason to leave them there though |
| 03:36.20 | Queen_Snark | No, it's not |
| 03:36.29 | aseigo^2 | i mean, you get 0.01% of people using something and 100% of them roar |
| 03:36.33 | Queen_Snark | but I don't feel that making KDE's dialogs 'just like gnomes' is a very good idea. |
| 03:36.35 | Alethes | the prob with just throwing all the extra stuff into "Advanced" is that that's an ambiguous concept |
| 03:36.43 | aseigo^2 | and the options are sometimes just stupid. they don't know it yet, but they are. |
| 03:36.49 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: i would agree with you there |
| 03:36.58 | Queen_Snark | True, but why take away the ability to customize my environment? |
| 03:37.13 | Queen_Snark | I don't like the default settings, imo they're amazingly stupid. I'm just not arrogant enough to constantly post to kde-quality about having them changed |
| 03:37.20 | Queen_Snark | because you've given me tools to make KDE what I want it to be |
| 03:37.29 | Alethes | Queen_Snark: the lesser used settings can be set elsewhere, like in gnome, you have gconf-editor |
| 03:37.30 | snugglemonkey | could the extra level of configuration be a {plug in} |
| 03:37.34 | Queen_Snark | take them away, and I can't use it. |
| 03:37.56 | Queen_Snark | Well assuming such an editor becomes part of kdebase and well documented, I guess I can't see a problem with that. |
| 03:38.01 | Alethes | the biggest issue I've had with configuration is that nothing is where I expect it to be |
| 03:38.07 | aseigo^2 | Alethes: gconf-editor is a bust |
| 03:38.07 | Alethes | and the labels are strange a lot of times |
| 03:38.13 | aseigo^2 | Alethes: the users tend to really hate it |
| 03:38.27 | Alethes | aseigo^2: I prefer it to having all those options in the gui |
| 03:38.31 | aseigo^2 | labels are strange.. in kde you mean? |
| 03:38.33 | Queen_Snark | Alethes: and the problem with what you say about KDE is, what you're really saying is "I want it like gnome" if you stop to think about it for a moment |
| 03:38.35 | Alethes | gconf still sucks, though |
| 03:38.40 | aseigo^2 | if so.. remember that: |
| 03:38.43 | Alethes | aseigo^2: hang on, I'll find an example |
| 03:38.49 | aseigo^2 | a) most of the KDE devels are ubergeeks, not usability people |
| 03:38.57 | Queen_Snark | because that's what you're adapted to and that's what you think of when you think of 'intuitive' (which is a concept I want eradicated from computing) |
| 03:39.02 | aseigo^2 | and b) english is a second language for most of the KDE devels |
| 03:39.36 | aseigo^2 | it will be very nice when, in kde4, we get user-oriented people with a good command of english doing all the labels =) |
| 03:39.39 | Alethes | ok, here's an example of a strange label |
| 03:40.06 | Alethes | in konq, under web behavior/tabbed browsing |
| 03:40.10 | Queen_Snark | that reminds me aseigo^2 what the smeg does 'rotate background' do in kickerSettings ? |
| 03:40.23 | Queen_Snark | I meant to ask you when I found it but I forgot and marked it up with a stupid label |
| 03:40.24 | Alethes | "Open links in new tab instead of in new window" |
| 03:40.26 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: rotates it. duh! |
| 03:40.39 | Queen_Snark | aseigo^2: ..... rotates it how? |
| 03:40.48 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: for side panels |
| 03:41.11 | Queen_Snark | ok, fair enough :) |
| 03:41.14 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: so when you have a background image and you put it on a side or top panel, it rotates the image appropriately |
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| 03:41.28 | aseigo^2 | that's not in the gui is it? |
| 03:41.31 | pops | any helpers tonight> |
| 03:41.35 | snugglemonkey | Alethes: That tab or window thing makes sense to me though. :( |
| 03:41.36 | aseigo^2 | pops: maybe |
| 03:41.49 | aseigo^2 | ok, i don't see it there. whew. |
| 03:41.53 | Alethes | the option I'm pointing out doesn't really give any indication that it's talking about opening popups in a new tab |
| 03:42.01 | Queen_Snark | Makes perfect sense to me |
| 03:42.04 | snugglemonkey | ah, ok. |
| 03:42.05 | aseigo^2 | Queen_Snark: it was a "hidden behaviour compatibilty" setting to me |
| 03:42.18 | Queen_Snark | aseigo^2: of course, someone is asking how to translate the string though |
| 03:42.30 | aseigo^2 | ah. "rotate" ... "background" |
| 03:42.31 | aseigo^2 | haha |
| 03:42.45 | aseigo^2 | this is why they don't let me near the ESL classes |
| 03:43.07 | aseigo^2 | oh no, i'm an idiot too |
| 03:43.13 | aseigo^2 | nobody is spared that fate |
| 03:43.23 | aseigo^2 | worst yet, it's the idiots who remind us of it all the time. |
| 03:44.28 | aseigo^2 | anyways. home time. |
| 03:44.35 | pops | well i get this error trying to update kde " session management error: Authentication rejected, reason None of the authenti cation protocols specified are support and host-based authentication failed |
| 03:46.13 | Queen_Snark | :( my fish broke |
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| 03:47.43 | canllaith | Alethes: I rather like these (although I know before I even ask that you wont.) |
| 03:47.47 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/icons.png |
| 03:47.54 | canllaith | Not quite as crystally and the colours are nice |
| 03:48.10 | canllaith | and I like flat folders rather than ones that appear to be open. |
| 03:48.26 | Alethes | yeah, I like those much better, actually |
| 03:48.55 | snugglemonkey | they sort of clash with the desktop icon though. |
| 03:49.07 | canllaith | Yeah, I just haven't bothered changing that one |
| 03:49.14 | canllaith | but they more or less go with the rest of crystal. |
| 03:49.39 | snugglemonkey | sure... could be a little less close to a pastel. |
| 03:50.11 | canllaith | They also go rather nicely with my plastikcolour scheme, that blue is so close |
| 03:50.21 | canllaith | damnit I AM hitting the space bar in there |
| 03:50.25 | canllaith | silly konvi |
| 03:51.59 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: the build has gone twice without a hitch from the script file. Once I changed the order in which the script builds, all is well. :) |
| 03:53.44 | canllaith | That script isn't working very well for me, because gccsegfaults fairly often I'm afraid |
| 03:53.49 | canllaith | gcc segfaults |
| 03:54.01 | snugglemonkey | :( Hardware kaput? |
| 03:54.14 | canllaith | and then the script wants to start again from cvs up, which on my connection takes quite a while for it to decide it doesn't need to update anything |
| 03:54.17 | canllaith | Nah, just overheating |
| 03:54.35 | canllaith | more cooling is being arranged but for the moment, I have to put up with gcc crapping out at > 50 degrees |
| 03:54.54 | snugglemonkey | Can you take -J 2 and move it down to j 1 |
| 03:55.09 | snugglemonkey | oh. |
| 03:55.12 | snugglemonkey | hm. |
| 03:55.17 | snugglemonkey | J 0.5 :) |
| 03:55.41 | canllaith | oh yikes, kmail has emoticons :o |
| 03:55.58 | canllaith | nah, I'll just stick another fan in it and see if that helps. I might rip the memory out and put it in another ddr motherboard to test just incase |
| 03:56.10 | snugglemonkey | Kmail still poops on me. But I will beat it eventually. |
| 03:56.11 | canllaith | (I can't run memtest over my pc, it just simply refuses to start) |
| 03:56.33 | canllaith | :D |
| 03:56.50 | canllaith | I'd like to replace my celery with a real processor too one of these days |
| 03:57.12 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: you have a celeron? What type? I just ordered one. |
| 03:57.18 | canllaith | 2.4GHz |
| 03:57.28 | canllaith | I had it overclocked to 3.2 GHz for ... quite a while |
| 03:57.47 | canllaith | speedy celery :D |
| 03:57.48 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I should get it soon. It is supposedly able to go to 4. with liquid cooling. |
| 03:58.00 | snugglemonkey | it was only 70usd |
| 03:58.03 | canllaith | (if you're going to be an idiot and overclock anything a celeron isn't a bad choice since they run so cool) |
| 03:58.04 | canllaith | Yeah, they're cheap |
| 03:58.18 | snugglemonkey | Yeah, much cheaper than dually's addiction. |
| 03:58.48 | canllaith | I have an asus p4p800s-se, 1024MB ddr 400 and the celery |
| 03:59.03 | canllaith | so the processor is the only cheap part, the rest of the system is excellent. |
| 03:59.13 | snugglemonkey | Sweet, I am anxious to try it out again (intel). |
| 03:59.38 | canllaith | All my boxen are intel, although that's mostly cause they run cool |
| 03:59.54 | canllaith | we have a few little celery's that we've poked into corners that are being servers |
| 04:00.07 | canllaith | and then laptops (I really worry about cooling an athlon in a laptop) |
| 04:00.14 | snugglemonkey | I have a system with 4 sata drives that is going back on RMA. Reboots after about 5 minutes of use. |
| 04:00.21 | canllaith | Yikes. |
| 04:00.29 | canllaith | I only have ide on my hal at this stage :( |
| 04:00.46 | canllaith | I want to try out his sata raid 0, previous incarnations of hal had raid 0 and damn I love the speed |
| 04:00.59 | snugglemonkey | My athlon laptop ran cool. The pentium burned my leg once... it did FEA for an hour, and I set it on my leg and sizzled. :( |
| 04:01.14 | canllaith | FEA? |
| 04:01.33 | snugglemonkey | Finite Element Analysis.. big matrix, lots of movement from CPU to memory and such. |
| 04:02.15 | snugglemonkey | basically tells me if a part I designed will break with said loading. |
| 04:02.21 | canllaith | ah, gotcha. |
| 04:02.30 | canllaith | Stuff ex hubby used to do on his dually :) |
| 04:02.54 | snugglemonkey | ex hubby was a dually lover too? I'm sorry if I am a bad reminder. |
| 04:03.30 | canllaith | He was a very very good heavy vehicle mechanic studying engineering (in the military) |
| 04:03.49 | canllaith | and often got put to work designing parts and tools for military vehicles we can't get them for anymore. |
| 04:04.02 | canllaith | Amazing how many US business went out of business after we bought tanks from them :| |
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| 04:04.22 | snugglemonkey | They don't go out of "business" they change names to avoid contracts. |
| 04:04.46 | canllaith | that doesn't sound very ethical |
| 04:04.54 | snugglemonkey | Reihnhardt!!! that is the theme. |
| 04:05.05 | canllaith | and a very stupid way to treat the military of another nation if true. |
| 04:05.28 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: I am trying to do military contract, and there are many encumbants that don't play fair. |
| 04:05.45 | snugglemonkey | it had Mrs. Snuggle monkey in a fit of tears teh other day. :( |
| 04:06.10 | canllaith | oh no :( that's not good |
| 04:06.49 | snugglemonkey | our economy is fairly cut-throat at the moment. especially in engineering and manufacturing. |
| 04:06.54 | canllaith | poor Mrs. snugglemonkey |
| 04:07.15 | snugglemonkey | she wants a baby bad, and it is sort of contingent on work. |
| 04:07.55 | canllaith | ooh I see. |
| 04:08.25 | snugglemonkey | yep, so every lunar I get a fairly emotional monkey on my hands about the whole subject. |
| 04:08.31 | snugglemonkey | lol |
| 04:08.53 | snugglemonkey | us guys are no different, other than we are twice a month. LOL |
| 04:09.00 | canllaith | :P |
| 04:09.14 | snugglemonkey | but, enough of that. |
| 04:09.21 | canllaith | It's ok, I can have a sense of humour about it. I'm not controlled by my hormones - I'm capable of being an irrational cow all month :) |
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| 04:10.38 | snugglemonkey | I think I'm going to do a timed compile on the whole and complete KDE CVS thing. And when dually gets his new processors, we'll see just how much a difference that makes. |
| 04:14.49 | canllaith | :) |
| 04:23.24 | snugglemonkey | canllaith: do you remember when you used screen on dually, it had the neat little menu at the bottom. I think that was a .screenrc file. It's gone since I redid dually, is there an easy way to just download one of those, or would it be value-add to learn create one? |
| 04:23.25 | canllaith | To be honest I have absolutely no idea, but yes that's screenrc |
| 04:23.25 | canllaith | how to create those settings? not sure |
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| 04:52.16 | canllaith | double fish? :) |
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| 04:53.02 | The3_14ed|er | like sshing into my dad's box and thence into my computer |
| 04:53.30 | The3_14ed|er | snugglemonkey: that's probably closer to what I mean |
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| 04:54.29 | snugglemonkey | I sometimes hop ssh from multiple machines. |
| 04:54.35 | snugglemonkey | usually by mistake |
| 04:54.51 | snugglemonkey | or if one machine can only accept certain connections from certain machines. |
| 04:54.56 | The3_14ed|er | heh... |
| 04:55.09 | canllaith | ssh tunnels :) |
| 04:55.38 | snugglemonkey | but to "fish" would imply that you would have to have konq access on another machien through konq access on your current machine. |
| 04:56.03 | canllaith | you could xforwardkonqi on the middle machine |
| 04:56.10 | canllaith | damn space bar what is wrong with it ? |
| 04:56.34 | The3_14ed|er | hehheh |
| 04:56.44 | The3_14ed|er | what I really ought to do is get my dad to install freenx |
| 04:56.57 | snugglemonkey | mm ... NX |
| 04:56.58 | canllaith | at any rate I pretty much always use cli ssh |
| 04:56.59 | snugglemonkey | big fan here. |
| 04:57.01 | canllaith | except over my local network |
| 04:57.24 | canllaith | oh, I use fish to save screenshots from ksnapshot directly to my webserver and in kate heaps |
| 04:57.28 | canllaith | not so much in konqi |
| 04:57.44 | The3_14ed|er | hrm... and cli ssh isn't wanting to connect. My password won't work |
| 04:59.04 | The3_14ed|er | "ssh ntryon@<ip removed>" this time |
| 05:02.21 | canllaith | oh, but I still have the same username on gwydiondylan.org. Damn. |
| 05:02.26 | canllaith | too many usernames :( |
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| 05:15.05 | aseigo | canllaith: i thought it was "too many passwords"? |
| 05:15.13 | aseigo | or was it.. "too many secrets"? |
| 05:16.05 | aseigo | canllaith: btw, did you know that ksnapshot didn't do remote urls (like fish) until 3.3? |
| 05:16.11 | aseigo | aka, it was b0rk3n |
| 05:16.15 | canllaith | had n oidea |
| 05:16.18 | canllaith | no idea** |
| 05:16.22 | aseigo | (or maybe it was 3.2... i think 3.3 though) |
| 05:16.51 | aseigo | so ..... it looks like there'll a 3.5 release after all. |
| 05:17.09 | aseigo | in tandem with 4.0 libs porting |
| 05:17.14 | _joey | what's default mail client applcation in kde? |
| 05:17.16 | aseigo | for application devels only it seems. |
| 05:17.21 | aseigo | _joey: kmail. |
| 05:17.26 | _joey | I can't find it |
| 05:17.33 | aseigo | _joey: which is also the mail part of kontact |
| 05:17.44 | aseigo | _joey: kontact being the groupware client |
| 05:17.51 | aseigo | _joey: did you install kdepim? |
| 05:18.14 | _joey | don't know |
| 05:18.19 | _joey | I installed kdebase |
| 05:18.59 | aseigo | ok. you need to install kdepim too. that's all the *p*ersonal *i*nformation *m*anagement apps, like mail and calendaring |
| 05:20.26 | _joey | another newbie question, how do I change the background on desktop fromdefault to smoething else? |
| 05:20.38 | _joey | and new fonts to kde env? |
| 05:20.52 | aseigo | right click on the desktop, Configure Desktop, go to the backgrounds panel, voila |
| 05:21.14 | aseigo | fonts... kde control center (where most everything else is too =) and you find fonts under "Appearance & Themes" |
| 05:21.33 | aseigo | _joey: newbie? cool.. what were you using previously? |
| 05:23.29 | _joey | wmaker and ratpoison |
| 05:24.04 | aseigo | ah... ratpoison's kind of neat.. wmaker is nice =) |
| 05:25.47 | _joey | what's your favourite background in kde/ |
| 05:25.59 | _joey | KDE look very nice and slick |
| 05:26.06 | _joey | I have to get you used to it |
| 05:27.02 | aseigo | i'm the wrong person to ask about backgrounds and that stuff |
| 05:27.12 | aseigo | on most of my machines i just have a flat color for the background |
| 05:29.14 | canllaith | lots of nice stuff @ kde-look |
| 05:29.28 | _joey | what's kde-look? |
| 05:29.30 | canllaith | i tend to grab all mine from there & DA |
| 05:29.44 | _joey | I installed kde 10 minutes ago for the first time:) |
| 05:29.50 | _joey | I like it so far |
| 05:30.02 | _joey | I'd have to buy extra stick of memory though |
| 05:30.13 | _joey | it's worth it |
| 05:30.26 | canllaith | kde-look.org lots of yummy artwork for your kde |
| 05:30.47 | aseigo | _joey: glad you like it =)) |
| 05:30.49 | canllaith | and yeah, i upped my ram to 256mb on this machine for kde and did not regret it |
| 05:31.19 | _joey | kconsole is excellent |
| 05:31.46 | _joey | I wish I had my favourite new courier from MS:) |
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| 05:32.36 | _joey | are there any utils in kde that shows live weather forecast on tool bar near the clock? |
| 05:33.04 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/snapshot1.png <--- mac users are going 'wow that is pretty' |
| 05:33.05 | aseigo | yep. in (of all places) kdetoys |
| 05:33.06 | canllaith | yes! |
| 05:33.13 | aseigo | there's a panel applet called "kweather" |
| 05:33.24 | canllaith | and its pretty eyecandy, i should install it on hal |
| 05:33.55 | _joey | how do I install this applet?\ |
| 05:34.02 | _joey | does it come in package? |
| 05:34.06 | canllaith | kdetoys |
| 05:34.11 | canllaith | from your distro |
| 05:34.14 | canllaith | which is? |
| 05:34.23 | aseigo | canllaith: fuck that's nice |
| 05:34.28 | _joey | thanks |
| 05:34.51 | canllaith | aseigo: hahaha on seeing that my mate Russ was all 'You are missing your calling. You should be convincing mac users to switch to KDE for the asthetics' |
| 05:35.50 | aseigo | canllaith: hm. i think i'm going to have to check out amarok again. it has suggested songs? wow |
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| 05:36.08 | canllaith | aseigo: uhuh, whole reason i put up with it |
| 05:36.18 | _joey | oki doki |
| 05:36.20 | canllaith | I proof read an article for lauri |
| 05:36.31 | canllaith | about amarok and she's like, 'so what did you think?' |
| 05:36.41 | _joey | kde is cool |
| 05:36.41 | canllaith | I'm like 'I'm downloading and installing it right now, is that impact enough?' |
| 05:36.50 | _joey | I don't why would someone dislike it |
| 05:37.03 | _joey | I heard reasons like it's written in C++ , lol |
| 05:37.08 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 05:37.23 | The3_14ed|er | some people find amarok to be a tad unstable |
| 05:37.35 | canllaith | indeed |
| 05:37.40 | _joey | and yet they use firefox and many other applications that are fully or partially implemented in C++ |
| 05:37.43 | canllaith | although I find it I don't try to edit tags it's not so bad |
| 05:37.55 | sycofly | omg .. |
| 05:37.59 | The3_14ed|er | canllaith: I just avoid doing any major tag editing in the playlist window |
| 05:38.12 | The3_14ed|er | the "View/Edit Metadata" window isn't too bad |
| 05:38.18 | canllaith | mmm doesn't work for me |
| 05:38.22 | canllaith | it just tells me the tag cannot be saved |
| 05:38.24 | canllaith | but juk will do it |
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| 05:41.47 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 05:41.47 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 05:41.51 | canllaith | running that on my laptop and I'm pissed |
| 05:42.04 | The3_14ed|er | I really ought to have burned that amaroK Live CD that oggb4mp3 made |
| 05:42.16 | gregday | does every app need its own livecd? |
| 05:42.43 | oggb4mp3 | yes |
| 05:43.21 | The3_14ed|er | if a user or dev has the itch... |
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| 05:49.51 | _joey | is there rss feed reader ?:) |
| 05:51.05 | The3_14ed|er | y'know, it's kinda scary that I'm looking at the notif style andthinking that it's relatively nice and clean |
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| 05:52.02 | canllaith | _joey: yes, akgregator. What version KDE are you using? |
| 05:52.12 | _joey | 3.3.2 |
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| 05:52.23 | canllaith | mmmok so I don't think you have it already installed |
| 05:52.28 | canllaith | I'll get you a url |
| 05:52.38 | _joey | if I want add an application fo menu-utilities-more applications, how do I do this? |
| 05:52.42 | _joey | :)) |
| 05:52.54 | canllaith | well, you can right click on the kmenu |
| 05:52.56 | canllaith | and go to 'edit menu' |
| 05:53.00 | canllaith | or you can run an app called kappfinder |
| 05:53.08 | canllaith | that scans your hdd for more applications and can add them to your menu :) |
| 05:53.17 | gregday | im not sure VNC is the best way to show someone what OSX is like |
| 05:53.28 | _joey | okay |
| 05:53.43 | _joey | what's VNC? |
| 05:53.44 | canllaith | _joey: http://akregator.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 05:53.49 | _joey | thanks |
| 05:54.04 | _joey | is it when you forward X applications through ssh tunnel? |
| 05:54.53 | _joey | canllaith does kmail support rss ? |
| 05:55.16 | canllaith | mmm well I use kontact which integrates kmail, akgretator, kaddressbook etc into one big PIM meta-application |
| 05:57.27 | _joey | well, I can't find kontact package on my distro |
| 05:57.53 | canllaith | kdepim |
| 05:58.14 | canllaith | although I think the akgregator integration isn't in 3.3.2 I'm not sure :S |
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| 06:02.04 | |Mathis| | hello |
| 06:02.44 | Mathis | is it possible to make the KWrite document background transparent? |
| 06:02.49 | Mathis | KDE 3.3.0 |
| 06:03.46 | aseigo | Mathis: if your X.org 6.8 w/composite and KDE 3.4, yes. otherwise. no. |
| 06:03.52 | aseigo | s,your,you use, |
| 06:04.04 | Mathis | ah, KDE 3.4 ... |
| 06:04.08 | Mathis | good to know |
| 06:04.11 | aseigo | ahahaha |
| 06:04.14 | aseigo | 01:00 < JasonBox> finding single chicks in technology is like finding a Mac with a three button mouse |
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| 06:08.26 | Mathis | KDE 3.4 Beta 2 released |
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| 06:08.58 | Mathis | then it shouldnt take too long waiting for end release |
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| 06:16.38 | aseigo | Mathis: nope. 22nd is the deep freeze |
| 06:16.44 | aseigo | that's just one week away |
| 06:17.10 | aseigo | and then it'll be an undertermined, though hopefully few in number, set of release candidates.. and bob's your uncle (though not mine) |
| 06:17.12 | aseigo | KDE 3.4 |
| 06:17.41 | aseigo | ... then KDE 4.0 devel starts, and there'll likely be a 3.5 release that's just some app polishing |
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| 06:25.13 | canllaith | bah I think I have crashed X one too many times |
| 06:28.17 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 06:30.26 | canllaith | gah and stupid bouncing cursor has a bug where it wont turn itself off atm through the gui dialog |
| 06:31.40 | grepper | heh, not even April 1st release either |
| 06:31.55 | aseigo | canllaith: heh. boink boinnk boink boink boink boink |
| 06:33.07 | canllaith | and it's DRIVING ME INSANE OMG |
| 06:35.01 | canllaith | :( it's being unkind to me |
| 06:36.32 | illogic-al | *sigh* |
| 06:36.38 | The3_14ed|er | illogic-al: be glad that I don't have my /stab alias |
| 06:36.41 | The3_14ed|er | heck with it |
| 06:36.54 | illogic-al | another konqueror crash successfully completed. |
| 06:37.01 | illogic-al | The3_14ed|er: lol |
| 06:37.06 | illogic-al | hahah |
| 06:37.28 | illogic-al | The3_14ed|er: been busy w/ school lately? |
| 06:37.47 | The3_14ed|er | illogic-al: hmm? |
| 06:38.04 | The3_14ed|er | well, I have a c++ project that I'm "working" on right now with someone |
| 06:38.04 | illogic-al | you've been "away" an awful lot |
| 06:38.16 | The3_14ed|er | illogic-al: what, here? |
| 06:38.17 | illogic-al | or maybe I've been awy and haven't seen you. |
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| 06:38.54 | The3_14ed|er | yes, as it says, I am over at my sis-in-law's place |
| 06:39.28 | illogic-al | so it does. |
| 06:39.36 | aseigo | awesome. |
| 06:39.43 | _joey | guys , do you like kate editor? |
| 06:39.53 | illogic-al | it's awesome! |
| 06:40.13 | illogic-al | oh wait, sredna isn't aroud, i don't have to lie |
| 06:40.17 | illogic-al | :-p |
| 06:40.19 | aseigo | _joey: i personally prefer kwrite. same text editor engine, but almost none of the gui |
| 06:40.20 | canllaith | todays wallpaper! |
| 06:40.22 | aseigo | illogic-al: lol |
| 06:40.33 | aseigo | canllaith: purple macros? |
| 06:40.40 | aseigo | or ... purple shots? |
| 06:40.49 | canllaith | aseigo: macro shots of teeny tiny purple flowers |
| 06:40.51 | canllaith | ages ago |
| 06:40.57 | aseigo | canllaith: oooh.. yes yes yes |
| 06:41.10 | canllaith | actually I should find the originals of most of these and start submitting to kde-look as wallpaper |
| 06:41.30 | canllaith | since generally all I have up on the web are 640x480 resizes |
| 06:41.43 | illogic-al | will you be placing big honking Ks on them? |
| 06:41.51 | canllaith | heheheh no |
| 06:42.08 | illogic-al | pity. i do so love those. |
| 06:42.11 | canllaith | lolol |
| 06:42.22 | illogic-al | adds a certain je ne sais quoi. |
| 06:42.43 | illogic-al | as the fracophonians are often wont to say. |
| 06:42.44 | canllaith | * so break me shake me hate me take me over... * |
| 06:43.12 | canllaith | s/hids/hides/ |
| 06:43.38 | _joey | aseigo do you know how I can add new fonts to konsole? |
| 06:44.03 | illogic-al | i prefer the windows behaviour which starts hiding them automatically after a while. |
| 06:45.30 | illogic-al | when did that disappear? |
| 06:45.41 | canllaith | ages ago |
| 06:45.51 | aseigo | _joey: just add new fonts to your system =) open konqi, fonts:/, drag 'n drop new fonts in |
| 06:46.06 | aseigo | illogic-al: if you only noticed now you obviously didn't need it that badly. ;) |
| 06:46.24 | aseigo | _joey: konsole should show all the monospace fonts you have installed. |
| 06:46.35 | aseigo | _joey: but only monospace. for probably fairly obvious reasons =) |
| 06:46.47 | illogic-al | aseigo: well, i did only install cvs _recently_ |
| 06:47.05 | illogic-al | but no, i don't need it. was convenient however. |
| 06:47.21 | aseigo | yeah. i find myself wanting it every now and again too. |
| 06:47.32 | aseigo | then again, i do more panel configuration than the average human |
| 06:48.11 | illogic-al | heh. i'd hope so. can't have you running amock submitting code that hasn't been tested. |
| 06:48.20 | illogic-al | then again, that's what we're for :-) |
| 06:48.38 | aseigo | illogic-al: heh.. indeed. and even with all my testing, people still find all kinds of holes |
| 06:49.04 | illogic-al | aseigo: my kicker crash seems to be gone btw |
| 06:49.09 | aseigo | illogic-al: yay! |
| 06:49.12 | aseigo | um. which one? |
| 06:49.19 | illogic-al | or maybe it's because i don't log off that often... |
| 06:49.45 | illogic-al | kicker crashes on log out. i don't rememeber it happening the last two logouts |
| 06:49.58 | aseigo | ah.. right.. that one. |
| 06:50.34 | aseigo | does it crash if you start it from console and ctrl-c it? |
| 06:50.45 | aseigo | that's the easy way to find out if it crashes. |
| 06:51.51 | aseigo | i wish bugzilla had the ability to put product specific checks / notices. |
| 06:52.01 | aseigo | i'd add for kicker: "Have you included a screenshot of you problem?" |
| 06:52.13 | illogic-al | aseigo: if i log in and then kill it (kill pid) it will crash. |
| 06:52.32 | illogic-al | if i then restart it and kill pid it wont crash |
| 06:53.09 | illogic-al | i can't ctrl+c it as it goes into the background automatically. |
| 06:54.17 | aseigo | illogic-al: kicker --nofork |
| 06:54.34 | illogic-al | woopsy daisy. |
| 06:54.43 | illogic-al | forgot that tidbit... |
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| 06:56.48 | illogic-al | hum. |
| 06:57.27 | illogic-al | when i killed it (again with 'kill pid') so that i could run kicker --nofork, it crashed. |
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| 06:57.51 | illogic-al | but running with nofork and then doing ctrl+c does not cause a crash |
| 07:01.10 | aseigo | same backtrace? |
| 07:01.14 | canllaith | LOL |
| 07:01.17 | canllaith | I have no idea how I did this |
| 07:01.26 | canllaith | but somehow kpager is launching with 100% translucency |
| 07:01.36 | illogic-al | aseigo: i closed it :-( |
| 07:01.48 | aseigo | canllaith: hahahaaha |
| 07:01.59 | aseigo | illogic-al: care to do it again *bats eyes like a puppy dog* |
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| 07:02.06 | aseigo | illogic-al: esp if you compile kicker with debugging |
| 07:02.29 | illogic-al | aseigo: i've been trying for the past five minutes :-) |
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| 07:03.09 | illogic-al | now i can't get any, by any method... |
| 07:03.49 | illogic-al | brb |
| 07:04.43 | canllaith | mm |
| 07:04.52 | canllaith | is anyone else finding kwallet just isn't saving passwords? |
| 07:04.58 | aseigo | i've heard of that |
| 07:05.01 | aseigo | in recent cvs |
| 07:05.14 | canllaith | stuff that was already saved before updating is fine |
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| 07:05.27 | canllaith | trying to create a new wallet or save new passwords is borked though |
| 07:06.31 | illogic-al | aseigo: problem solved. i think killing kicker that many times made it start behaving properly. |
| 07:06.44 | aseigo | illogic-al: ha.. it learned its place did it? =) |
| 07:06.48 | illogic-al | that's one less bt to worry about :-) |
| 07:06.57 | illogic-al | s/bt/bug |
| 07:07.24 | gregday | aseigo: when was the app menubar with full applet support added? |
| 07:07.56 | canllaith | However, it's borked in a particularly pretty purple |
| 07:08.03 | canllaith | so I forgive it: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/files/purple.png |
| 07:08.20 | aseigo | gregday: 3.2? |
| 07:08.26 | illogic-al | I must get to french on time in the am. |
| 07:08.31 | aseigo | gregday: i just made it automatic. |
| 07:08.49 | aseigo | gregday: there are still a few problems with it though that i must get to t hisweek. |
| 07:08.54 | canllaith | um |
| 07:09.01 | canllaith | removing the weather applet from kdetoys killed kicker :( |
| 07:09.46 | mobtek | wow thats one important applet :P |
| 07:09.59 | mobtek | I'd leave it in there is it did that |
| 07:10.02 | aseigo | canllaith: did kicker pop back? |
| 07:13.41 | aseigo | nice purple flowers btw |
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| 07:14.51 | alejandro | hi aseigo. =) |
| 07:15.03 | _dessa | damn |
| 07:15.20 | _dessa | I'm distinctly unimpressed when KDE locks so hard, pkill -u <user> doesn't fix it |
| 07:23.26 | aseigo | canllaith: there's always a period right before releases that just sucks. |
| 07:23.52 | canllaith | it makes it almost impossible to do anything though |
| 07:23.55 | aseigo | canllaith: and is it kde locking hard, or is it X? |
| 07:24.05 | canllaith | it's KDE |
| 07:24.11 | canllaith | I had a second X session going that was fine |
| 07:24.24 | aseigo | canllaith: yep. and whats 2x wierd is that it's never for the same reasons |
| 07:24.27 | canllaith | under another user - but KDE wasn't responding to kill -15 and letting me sign out |
| 07:24.40 | aseigo | there's just always some things that randomly happen during the "tighten down the screws" phase |
| 07:24.47 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 07:24.54 | canllaith | of course, the reason KDE is -able- to do that much damage is X |
| 07:24.57 | canllaith | I'm fully aware of that |
| 07:25.25 | canllaith | but I basically just had to reboot, because KDE refused to let me shut it down even wielding kill as root |
| 07:25.39 | canllaith | (ok, I could have stuffed around with deleting lock files and all kinds of rubbish for the next hour, but who wants to do that?) |
| 07:26.22 | sycofly | Renzedoes |
| 07:26.41 | canllaith | it just frustrates me so much, because I've just spent an hour recreating my KDE settings because the last nasty crash corrupted things badly |
| 07:27.08 | canllaith | ... and now it's done this and I'll have to do it again |
| 07:27.18 | canllaith | So basically, kicker handbook just lost over an hour of my time tonight |
| 07:27.24 | canllaith | and well, I have no incentive to really want to get back on that pc |
| 07:27.34 | canllaith | and actually do anything useful after having to struggle with KDE |
| 07:27.39 | StarScream | canllaith: i did that yesterday...kicker crashed...b0rked my profile |
| 07:27.53 | canllaith | I'd be able to commit about 15 times as much if it wasn't so bad :( |
| 07:28.16 | aseigo | StarScream: 3.4? |
| 07:28.28 | canllaith | and that sucks that I don't get to spend much time writing anymore :( |
| 07:28.37 | StarScream | aseigo: nah 3.3.2 |
| 07:28.46 | canllaith | kate crashed on me 3 times while trying to write today :'( |
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| 07:29.49 | vlad_g | so i just installed 3.4 beta 2... i seem to have lost all my 3.3 settings (they are still somewhere, .kde3.3 probably)... anyway i can use them on 3.4? |
| 07:29.49 | canllaith | although, as it turns out this kwallet thing wasn't a corrupted profile but kwallet itself actually being broken. |
| 07:30.09 | canllaith | Yes, just copy them over to $KDEHOME (best to keep a backup of them though) |
| 07:30.40 | vlad_g | umm... i don't have a $KDEHOME... echo $KDEHOME shows nothing |
| 07:30.47 | canllaith | Then it's .kde |
| 07:31.02 | vlad_g | would a symlink work? |
| 07:32.34 | aseigo | vlad_g: yes, but then it will alter your 3.3 settings. just so you know =) |
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| 07:38.28 | vlad_g | ok, so i fixed the kdehome problem... now what do i do to get kdm to let me login as root... if someone could point me towards the config file... |
| 07:40.34 | aseigo | vlad_g: kcontrol -> system admin -> login manager |
| 07:41.40 | mobtek | wtf when I run login manager if I try to access anything in the fs it says cannot talk to klauncher? |
| 07:42.21 | vlad_g | i can't find the option for root login... is it the system uid range? |
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| 08:10.42 | Borg^Queen | Hello Humans |
| 08:10.54 | PhilRod | 'sup Borgy |
| 08:10.58 | Borg^Queen | BAH, Humbug! |
| 08:11.04 | Borg^Queen | Working late, very late. |
| 08:11.25 | Borg^Queen | Emergency Linux conversion. |
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| 08:11.33 | Borg^Queen | One too many viri lol |
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| 08:12.13 | Borg^Queen | gregday_: is your nick a play on green day? |
| 08:12.33 | PhilRod | Borg^Queen: heh, keep up the conversion rate |
| 08:12.48 | PhilRod | do you still have that bet where your friend gives you money for useful linux apps? |
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| 08:13.04 | Borg^Queen | LOL, all I have to do is sit back, wait for the computer viruses to attack and then refuse to help beyond a conversion. |
| 08:13.20 | Borg^Queen | `No he bailed after $1500 |
| 08:13.31 | Borg^Queen | It was easy money lol |
| 08:13.58 | PhilRod | $1500! LOL! |
| 08:14.08 | Borg^Queen | And I didn't nail him for InkScape because it's based on Sodi Podi |
| 08:14.16 | Borg^Queen | What a sucker huh? |
| 08:14.34 | Borg^Queen | He wouldn't give up. |
| 08:14.43 | Borg^Queen | So who am I not to take his money. |
| 08:15.53 | Borg^Queen | So what are you up to? |
| 08:16.00 | Borg^Queen | Who else is on? |
| 08:16.23 | Borg^Queen | Why is the sky blue? |
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| 08:17.44 | Borg^Queen | My tower? |
| 08:17.57 | PhilRod | Borg^Queen: not a lot - fighting off a cold, need to do some work |
| 08:17.59 | Borg^Queen | My the drones have been busy |
| 08:18.11 | Borg^Queen | Oh sorry to hear that PhilRod |
| 08:18.16 | Borg^Queen | Feel better... |
| 08:18.18 | Borg^Queen | NOW |
| 08:18.28 | PhilRod | ok, done |
| 08:18.30 | PhilRod | ;-) |
| 08:18.36 | Borg^Queen | LOL |
| 08:19.28 | PhilRod | I like that American expression, "feel better" - it's a bit more imperative than the British "get well soon" |
| 08:20.12 | Borg^Queen | We have the get well soon, in fact, it's more often said. However, I don't like giving people the option of continuing to feel bad. |
| 08:20.25 | nokia6000 | one of the older versions of mandrake, has a cool feature when you try to logout KDE. it asks if you want to 'reboot machine and start windows'. anyone recall? |
| 08:20.27 | PhilRod | hehe |
| 08:20.43 | Borg^Queen | The |
| 08:20.49 | Borg^Queen | Isn't that kdm? |
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| 08:25.07 | Borg^Queen | Well I'm off. Just wanted to pop in to say hello. |
| 08:25.15 | PhilRod | nokia6000: if you set up kdm, I think you can do something similar |
| 08:25.16 | Borg^Queen | Good day / night to all |
| 08:25.19 | PhilRod | see ya Borg^Queen |
| 08:25.24 | Borg^Queen | :) |
| 08:25.52 | PhilRod | nokia6000: you might need to fiddle with kdmctl |
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| 08:27.26 | nokia6000 | PhilRod, so it's just a matter of setting up kdm, i can user lilo or grub. |
| 08:30.18 | PhilRod | I'm not sure to be honest - I don't use kdm myself |
| 08:30.19 | nokia6000 | wait, no that can't be right. cause i remember i can do it in gnome also. |
| 08:30.42 | PhilRod | must be a mandrake modification then, I guess |
| 08:31.36 | nokia6000 | it has to be lilo. and gnome/kde independ. |
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| 08:40.43 | _joey | which program could I use to take a screenshot of desktop? |
| 08:41.16 | PieD | ksnapshot |
| 08:41.31 | _joey | is it available from the menu? |
| 08:41.49 | lauri | probably but you can just press alt f2 and type ksnapshot |
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| 08:43.16 | _joey | could not run command |
| 08:43.27 | _joey | it's not available in my kde env |
| 08:43.29 | lauri | then you seem to not have it installed |
| 08:43.35 | PieD | it's in kdegraphics |
| 08:43.41 | _joey | oki |
| 08:43.42 | PieD | (I think, not sure...) |
| 08:43.46 | lauri | it is |
| 08:44.22 | sredna | Hello |
| 08:45.06 | PieD | suse@linux:~> rpm --query -f /opt/kde3/bin/ksnapshot |
| 08:45.06 | PieD | kdegraphics3-3.3.92_2005021408-1 |
| 08:53.09 | _joey | I intalled kdetoys and want to use an applet to show live weather forecast |
| 08:53.14 | _joey | how do I install this applet? |
| 08:54.19 | Ilpo | click the kicker and there is a menu.. |
| 08:54.34 | Ilpo | right button of mouse |
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| 08:58.08 | _joey | thanks |
| 08:58.42 | _joey | can I configure kde so that all opened application are sitting on the desktp rather than on the bootom bar |
| 08:58.52 | PieD | sitting on the desktop ? |
| 08:59.00 | PieD | what do you mean ? |
| 08:59.09 | _joey | I mean on the desktop |
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| 08:59.41 | PieD | the bottom bar => the taskbar I suppose ? (here I don't have any bottom bar :) |
| 09:00.04 | _joey | okay what it is called |
| 09:00.07 | zAo^ | in debian, can I remove the "kde" package without loosing my KDE-desktop? |
| 09:00.32 | PieD | zAo^: I think that you can |
| 09:00.34 | canllaith | Best to ask #debian |
| 09:00.41 | canllaith | We have no idea what they do to packages |
| 09:00.45 | _joey | if you have it configured in your $HOME , then you can safeuly remove the package without losing the configuration |
| 09:00.51 | zAo^ | thanks PieD |
| 09:00.52 | PieD | _joey: I don't understand what you mean with on the desktop for an application ! |
| 09:01.11 | _joey | how else do you explain it? on the fucking desktop |
| 09:01.22 | PieD | what on the desktop ? |
| 09:01.24 | PieD | the app windows ? |
| 09:01.32 | _joey | I couldd ask my French frind to translate into French for you I suppose |
| 09:01.42 | PieD | I can translate |
| 09:01.47 | _joey | go away man |
| 09:01.49 | PieD | but I don't understand what you want ! |
| 09:01.58 | _joey | yeah piss off |
| 09:02.13 | PieD | what do you want exactly ? |
| 09:02.21 | canllaith | hey |
| 09:02.34 | _joey | Have you ever used MS Winddows? When you run an application then you close it where would the icon be sitting ? |
| 09:02.37 | _joey | it's called desktop |
| 09:02.44 | canllaith | _joey: there's no place for abusiveness here |
| 09:02.46 | canllaith | can it, please |
| 09:03.00 | PieD | _joey: it is the application _icon_ ! |
| 09:03.05 | PieD | not the application ! |
| 09:03.18 | _joey | canllaith I am losing my cool explaing the nutcase this phrase "icon for a running application on the desktop' |
| 09:03.26 | PieD | (and I never use windows) |
| 09:03.32 | canllaith | 'nutcase' ? |
| 09:03.38 | canllaith | if you want help, don't be rude |
| 09:03.40 | _joey | why are you telling about never using windows? |
| 09:03.56 | PieD | remind what you wrote : |
| 09:03.57 | canllaith | He's trying to help you, there is absolutely no reason to be rude to him. |
| 09:03.57 | PieD | [10:02:33] <_joey> Have you ever used MS Winddows? |
| 09:03.58 | _joey | it's difficult not to be rude with some people on irc |
| 09:04.00 | canllaith | cool down, both of you |
| 09:04.06 | _joey | :) |
| 09:04.11 | PieD | ? => it is a question => it needs an answer, doesn't it ? |
| 09:04.18 | _joey | not from you though |
| 09:04.37 | canllaith | _joey: I'm asking you to be polite. Don't continue ignoring me :) |
| 09:05.38 | PieD | If you want I can be rude too, but nobody will understand the dialect I use ! |
| 09:05.57 | _joey | canllaith I am polite |
| 09:06.07 | canllaith | Hey PieD come on, I understand there was no reason for him to call you names but there is just no point fighting, ok? :) |
| 09:06.11 | _joey | but I am not going to tell the pesky *$&%($* thank you and please |
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| 09:07.15 | canllaith | Then I suggest you find another channel to get help in :) |
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| 09:09.57 | _joey | why? |
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| 09:10.14 | _joey | Are you telling me to tell please and thank you everyone here? |
| 09:10.29 | canllaith | No, I am telling you to stop being deliberately aggressive and rude. |
| 09:10.57 | _joey | I stopped being rude about 5 minutes ago and you keep babbling about it |
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| 09:11.31 | canllaith | Can it please :) |
| 09:13.26 | _joey | I don't care if you have op status here |
| 09:13.38 | canllaith | well that's a bit silly :) |
| 09:13.43 | _joey | I am not breaking the rules and you trying to byully me now |
| 09:13.55 | canllaith | lol - there are rules? Gosh I had no idea. |
| 09:13.59 | _joey | of course it is |
| 09:14.09 | aseigo | relax. |
| 09:14.19 | aseigo | there aren't "rules" just "common sense" |
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| 09:14.34 | _joey | canllaith let me tell you something I'd save the log file and show to other ops about your attidues |
| 09:14.37 | aseigo | and if you are running short of it, push away from the desk, go do something else and come back when it returns |
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| 09:14.45 | aseigo | _joey: i am the other ops. |
| 09:14.50 | aseigo | _joey: so chill. |
| 09:14.54 | _joey | aseigo this guy is trying to make something of it |
| 09:14.59 | canllaith | 'guy' ? |
| 09:15.03 | aseigo | hehe |
| 09:15.05 | canllaith | at any rate |
| 09:15.12 | _joey | whoever |
| 09:15.20 | Delicates | how do I get rid of "-variant intl" in my keyboard layout for US English? |
| 09:15.33 | aseigo | _joey: does it matter? no. is it disruptive to argue? yes. who cares. it doesn't matter. relax =) |
| 09:15.41 | canllaith | You seem to be pretty confused _joey. It doesn't matter what you feel the 'rules' are, being nasty to people who are trying to help you isn't what this channel is all about. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but that's the way it is :) |
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| 09:15.48 | _joey | tell that to your buddy |
| 09:16.01 | aseigo | _joey: she's right. |
| 09:16.13 | canllaith | Delicates: have you had a look at Kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard layout? :) |
| 09:16.18 | Nigel | is there any special Juk channel? |
| 09:16.32 | _joey | she is stupid or agressive shemale |
| 09:16.35 | Delicates | canllaith: that's exactly where I want to get rid of it from |
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| 09:16.42 | aseigo | Nigel: no. but i know juk pretty well. |
| 09:16.44 | canllaith | Delicates: oh right, are you using 3.3.2 by any chance? |
| 09:16.45 | Delicates | I am unable to type quotation marks |
| 09:16.52 | Delicates | 3.4 beta2 |
| 09:16.59 | canllaith | oh really? interesting |
| 09:17.30 | Delicates | someone here said it's a omg BUG |
| 09:17.32 | Nigel | aseigo: on the context menu (when it's docked) do you think that the icons for next track and previous track look too similar and give the impression that they have the wrong icons for the text? |
| 09:17.39 | canllaith | I'm a what excuse me? |
| 09:18.02 | Delicates | though that was when I had it on 3.3.2, but it's still here in 3.4 beta2 |
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| 09:18.26 | PhilRod | _joey: we don't have time for this messing around. Please leave |
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| 09:20.17 | PieD | did somebody understand what he wanted , |
| 09:20.40 | PieD | "[09:58:42] <_joey> can I configure kde so that all opened application are sitting on the desktp rather than on the bootom bar" |
| 09:20.44 | aseigo | Nigel: depends on the icon set i suppose. ar eyou using the defaults? |
| 09:20.49 | aseigo | PieD: just drop it |
| 09:20.55 | Delicates | where would the keyboard layout config be stored? |
| 09:20.57 | Nigel | aseigo: the blue ones, yes |
| 09:21.55 | Nigel | i don't recall changing them |
| 09:22.01 | aseigo | Nigel: hrm. they seem pretty apparent to me |
| 09:22.33 | Nigel | hmmmm ok, i got confused by them before |
| 09:22.49 | aseigo | doesn't one arrow point to the left, and one to the right? |
| 09:22.57 | Nigel | oh well my actualy question is why do the multimedia buttons not work in JuK when they work in Gnome etc? |
| 09:23.17 | Nigel | i set them up in JuK but they don't wish to work |
| 09:24.40 | Nigel | (as in play etc) |
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| 09:26.11 | Nigel | aseigo: any ideas? |
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| 09:27.03 | lauri | Nigel: if you are running juk in gnome, and have the key bindings defined in gnome, and juk doesn't have focus - the gnome ones will be activated, not the juk ones |
| 09:27.54 | Nigel | no but i mean Gnome understands my multimedia buttons fine, but when in KDE, i can't use my multimedia buttons |
| 09:28.10 | Nigel | i setup JuK for the MM Buttons but it doesn't like them |
| 09:28.47 | Nigel | i don't run JuK in Gnome, and i don't run any Gnome MM apps in KDE ;) |
| 09:31.46 | Nigel | sycofly: heh, throw me a copy to while your at it, i need to do some myself |
| 09:32.07 | sycofly | 13 days and counting |
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| 09:32.19 | sycofly | but im getting there |
| 09:32.40 | ImNotMark | anyone here use kuake? |
| 09:32.54 | Delicates | the suckiest thing is, it doesn't let you edit the keyboard layout command yourself |
| 09:32.58 | PieD | no, what is it , |
| 09:33.02 | PieD | ? |
| 09:33.07 | Nigel | Quake Client? |
| 09:33.15 | ImNotMark | Kuake is a KDE konsole application with the look and feel of that in the Quake engine. It intends to create seamless integration of a konsole to your KDE desktop. |
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| 09:33.30 | ImNotMark | http://www.nemohackers.org/kuake.php |
| 09:33.34 | Nigel | oh ok... i was wrong |
| 09:34.05 | ImNotMark | it seems not to many people know about it, i cant find much on google |
| 09:34.34 | Nigel | it's not on Debian APT |
| 09:34.38 | Nigel | well testing anyway |
| 09:34.58 | ImNotMark | its in the freebsd ports (came across it looking for other stuff) |
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| 09:35.29 | ImNotMark | im having a hard time finding docs on configuring it |
| 09:35.44 | blackie | Heeelllp. My kmail sudantly is in right-to-left input mode, how does I change it back? |
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| 09:38.08 | sredna | Re |
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| 09:47.16 | Metal | is there a way to have no borders around windows at all? or `Tiny` is the best I can get? |
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| 09:50.32 | jamesconf | tell it not to use window borders? |
| 09:50.48 | jamesconf | oh you want a title bar too I guess |
| 09:51.45 | grepper | he wants support with 2 minute turn around :) |
| 09:52.20 | jamesconf | yes I see that now |
| 09:52.38 | jamesconf | which is ok, I would of been no help anyway |
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| 09:59.39 | Daboone72 | Greetings anyone know anything about smb4k , samba? |
| 09:59.58 | peppelorum | yes |
| 10:00.17 | Daboone72 | cool I have a catch 22 trying to mount shares |
| 10:00.50 | Daboone72 | Mounting as a normal user gives you must setuid root smbmount |
| 10:01.12 | Daboone72 | but when you chmod +s smbmount it says libsmb programmes must not be setuid root |
| 10:02.10 | lauri | where are you trying to mount it to? |
| 10:02.48 | lauri | and, why not just use mount? |
| 10:03.15 | Daboone72 | cause I want an easy life |
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| 10:03.26 | Daboone72 | I'm trying to do things ditching the comamnd line |
| 10:03.50 | jamesconf | Daboone72: can you add the samab mount to the fstab file with the user option? |
| 10:03.54 | peppelorum | Daboone72: At least you shouldn't have to chmod smbmount |
| 10:04.06 | Daboone72 | jamesconf of course easy way out |
| 10:04.20 | Daboone72 | But If I see a share on smb4k I'd like to be able to right click on it and mount it |
| 10:04.32 | jamesconf | understandable |
| 10:04.45 | Daboone72 | rather than have to smbmount //servername/sharename -o=username -p whatever whatever |
| 10:04.47 | lauri | what is smb4k? |
| 10:04.54 | lauri | and why not use the smb kioslave? |
| 10:05.02 | Daboone72 | lauri a server share browser |
| 10:05.14 | Daboone72 | sits in the ash tray browse everything on your domain |
| 10:05.26 | lauri | ok, you know konqueror can do that directly |
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| 10:06.12 | jamesconf | I could of sware one time I had an option to mount the share under the tools menu in konqueror, but never been able to get it back (or I was holucanating) |
| 10:06.14 | Daboone72 | Its ok I found the answer it's smbmnt you need to setuid |
| 10:06.14 | lauri | for help with smb4k you should ask it's authors |
| 10:06.34 | |QuaD| | are there any debian distributions, like ubuntu or mepis, that contain just kde? ie koffice instead of OOo, kontact instead of mozilla,evolution, etc... basically a purely kde distro? |
| 10:06.37 | |QuaD| | no gtk |
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| 10:07.21 | Daboone72 | lauri and smbmnt I guess works as a normal user |
| 10:07.33 | lauri | I don't know, I don't use it |
| 10:07.36 | Daboone72 | I just mounted a share with a single mouse click |
| 10:07.52 | Delicates | where does dhcpd puts it's leases? |
| 10:07.55 | lauri | that I can do in konqueror, without any other programs (and without samba installed) |
| 10:09.00 | Daboone72 | lauri what do you use? LISA? |
| 10:09.20 | lauri | the smb kioslave doesn't need lisa, but that works too |
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| 10:11.00 | Daboone72 | lauri I must look that one up but smb4k seems to be doing what I need I wonder if it'll add printers to cups automatically |
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| 10:34.27 | ImNotMark | can kde 3.3.2 use kde 3.2 themes/styles? |
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| 10:42.59 | soulreaper_ | ImNotMark: yes |
| 10:44.30 | ImNotMark | hrmmm then these ones at kde-look.org arent installing right |
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| 11:05.28 | JohnColtrane | hi in which file I write prog that I want to lauch at desktop load? (using debian) |
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| 11:06.09 | PieD | you must add a link in ~/.kde/ |
| 11:06.17 | PieD | (please wait, I search the right folder) |
| 11:06.27 | JohnColtrane | :) |
| 11:06.30 | PieD | .kde/Autostart |
| 11:06.44 | JohnColtrane | ok, simbolic link there? |
| 11:06.48 | PieD | you add a link to the script/program you want to start |
| 11:06.49 | PieD | yes |
| 11:06.59 | grepper | JohnColtrane: or just save the session with the app running |
| 11:07.34 | JohnColtrane | rebut, thx for all |
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| 11:08.39 | johnColtrane | ok, it works thanks again |
| 11:08.45 | johnColtrane | bye :) |
| 11:12.26 | lilalinux | I have a problem with konstruct: |
| 11:12.35 | lilalinux | /home/plasma/kde3.4-beta2/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so: Feature KABC::LdapConfigWidget already defined in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdewidgets.so! |
| 11:13.00 | lilalinux | shouldn't konstruct stay only in it's buildtree? |
| 11:13.19 | lilalinux | Why does it see /usr/lib at all? |
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| 11:18.56 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. is there a console utility that I can use to add icons to a users desktop and/or items into their menues? |
| 11:19.40 | grepper | cp ? |
| 11:19.45 | CaT[tm] | ? |
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| 11:22.28 | CaT[tm] | hmmm |
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| 11:22.52 | CaT[tm] | a <name>.desktop file is required for what I want right? |
| 11:23.23 | CaT[tm] | with URL pointing to the path of the executable and Icon to the path of the image right? |
| 11:23.31 | CaT[tm] | what would I use for Type? |
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| 11:23.37 | xerxes1358 | hello |
| 11:23.44 | xerxes1358 | lauri are you there by any chance ? |
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| 11:45.45 | Zugschlus | hi |
| 11:46.07 | Zugschlus | is there a kde-based duplicate file finder in kde 3.3? |
| 11:47.16 | bonee | what is a good distro with KDE base |
| 11:47.45 | lilalinux | bonee: depends on your skills |
| 11:47.53 | lilalinux | I'd go for debian |
| 11:47.59 | lilalinux | but thats a matter of taste |
| 11:48.10 | xerxes1358 | bonee go try fedora |
| 11:48.19 | bonee | i wanna just it for multimedia |
| 11:48.34 | lilalinux | then check out geexbox |
| 11:48.36 | bonee | watchong movies and music |
| 11:48.41 | xerxes1358 | bonee if you are new with linux try fedora which is really easy |
| 11:48.51 | Zugschlus | lilalinux: and a matter of skill. All Debian distributions containing a decently recent KDE ar unreleased development versions without security support. |
| 11:48.54 | bonee | i know a lil linux |
| 11:49.18 | lilalinux | Zugschlus: that's what I said: <lilalinux> bonee: depends on your skills |
| 11:49.33 | xerxes1358 | bonee if you know a little go with fedora, if you want to edit and configure... try gentoo.org |
| 11:49.38 | Zugschlus | lilalinux: I just wanted to make the situation more clear |
| 11:49.48 | Zugschlus | bonee: use the distribution your friends use |
| 11:50.09 | bonee | i don't have friends that use linux |
| 11:50.12 | xerxes1358 | Zugschlus good tip lol |
| 11:50.20 | lilalinux | bonee: If you want to just test it: use a live cd like knoppix |
| 11:50.22 | bonee | i have one and u use suse |
| 11:50.43 | bonee | i mean he use suse |
| 11:50.53 | Zugschlus | bonee: thenn use suse as well. that way, you can get help |
| 11:50.56 | Zugschlus | xerxes1358: a serious one. |
| 11:51.02 | Zugschlus | and one that has risen out of experience |
| 11:51.10 | bonee | i never really talk to him |
| 11:51.54 | xerxes1358 | bonee make your self easy and just go with a noob friendly disto.! Just try Fedora which has good readable support |
| 11:52.15 | bonee | i hate fedora |
| 11:52.16 | lilalinux | bonee: If all you want is watching movies: http://geexbox.org/en/index.html |
| 11:52.48 | lilalinux | "So, GeeXboX is a full operating system, running under Linux and based on the excellent MPlayer. No need for a hard drive, you just have to put the GeeXboX bootable CD into the CD-Drive of any Pentium-class computer to boot it." |
| 11:53.14 | Zugschlus | additionally, /me advises explicitly _against_ gentoo |
| 11:54.17 | bonee | what prog do i use for FTP |
| 11:54.37 | Zugschlus | bonee: konqueror |
| 11:54.41 | lilalinux | bonee: konqueror, if you like guis |
| 11:54.47 | lilalinux | hm |
| 11:54.55 | bonee | it makes it easy |
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| 11:59.03 | hardkaare | what filemanager does kde uses? |
| 11:59.40 | lilalinux | konqueror |
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| 12:02.02 | koomi_ | oaw. even i could have answered this one. |
| 12:02.04 | koomi_ | ;) |
| 12:05.36 | lilalinux | Is it possible to get the latest kitchensync (0.0.8, 02-Sep-2004) http://handhelds.org/~zecke/downloads/kitchensync/ into kde3.4? |
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| 12:07.33 | frerich | hi all |
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| 12:13.34 | elirips | hello. how can i prevent kmixer being started always when i've loged into kde? |
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| 12:19.04 | Zugschlus | can kmail 1.7.2 display attachments of outgoing e-mail? When I click "view" in the attachment's context menu, all I get is display of the file contents ("%pdf-1.2") instead of invocation of the PDF reader |
| 12:20.15 | mustasj | 'Lo all. Can recommand a vector graphic tool for linux? Kde based is ofcourse postive but not required :) |
| 12:21.38 | lilalinux | mustasj: well, there isn't much |
| 12:21.42 | lilalinux | maybe scribus |
| 12:21.54 | Zugschlus | mustasj: depends on what you intend to use: qcad, dia |
| 12:22.01 | Zugschlus | intent to do. |
| 12:22.13 | Zugschlus | intend to do. |
| 12:22.16 | Zugschlus | Geez, I can't write any more |
| 12:22.25 | Zugschlus | <= wants to go back to switzerland |
| 12:22.40 | lilalinux | there's an s missing in your name, too ;) |
| 12:22.55 | Zugschlus | lilalinux: no, that's a feature. |
| 12:24.40 | mustasj | hehe, well I was hoping for a vector based app where I can draw 3D vectors by inputting coordinates ( math vector and scale) |
| 12:25.51 | lippel | mustasj: tried qcad? |
| 12:25.51 | lippel | hmm, i think qcad is 2d only |
| 12:25.51 | mustasj | lippel: nope, I'm installing now :) thank you for the suggestion |
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| 12:26.21 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:26.48 | DexterF | is there a default shortcut key for switching tabs in konq? |
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| 12:29.04 | mustasj | DexterF: Check configure shortcuts and "Activate Next Tab" |
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| 12:31.23 | flosch | hi |
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| 12:43.53 | chugga | is there a decent audio player to rival and exceed xmms for kde? |
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| 12:46.10 | x-un-i | can anybody help me with kmail? |
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| 12:50.24 | x-un-i | I have two identities in Kmail. When i try to send email with the no-standard identity it fails because it tries to use the server for the Standard Identity. What i'm doing wrong? |
| 12:56.39 | lilalinux | x-un-i: well, add the server in 'network' and then set it in the identity |
| 12:56.53 | x-un-i | i have done that |
| 12:58.08 | lilalinux | hm |
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| 13:03.04 | Zugschlus | Does KDE have a tool which does the same like du, only graphically? |
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| 13:05.29 | SteamedPenguin | Zugschlus: yeah |
| 13:05.53 | chakie | kdiskfree |
| 13:06.25 | lilalinux | kfilelight |
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| 13:06.53 | luci | yo |
| 13:07.22 | lilalinux | erm, just filelight |
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| 13:09.53 | Zugschlus | chakie: searching for kdiskfree does only yield grkdiskfree |
| 13:09.56 | Zugschlus | gtkdiskfree |
| 13:10.22 | lilalinux | Zugschlus: did I mention filelight already? ;) |
| 13:10.22 | chakie | well, i have one in my K menu... |
| 13:10.28 | Zugschlus | lilalinux: you did |
| 13:10.33 | Zugschlus | chakie: which submenu |
| 13:10.38 | chakie | kdf |
| 13:10.49 | SteamedPenguin | Zugschlus: are you using KDE 3.3.x or KDE 3.4 betas? |
| 13:10.52 | chakie | that's its name |
| 13:11.00 | Zugschlus | chakie: ah. Kdiskfree is a df replacement, not du |
| 13:11.03 | Zugschlus | SteamedPenguin: 3.3 from debian unstable |
| 13:11.12 | lilalinux | chakie: du and df are different things |
| 13:11.30 | chakie | lilalinux: sure, i wasn't sure what you really needed |
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| 13:11.41 | x-un-i | kdf |
| 13:12.14 | Zugschlus | filelight is nice |
| 13:12.15 | lilalinux | well, x-un-i that's df, too :) |
| 13:12.27 | lilalinux | Zugschlus: trust me :) |
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| 13:20.55 | oggb4mp3 | morn |
| 13:21.43 | chugga | whats with the name? |
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| 13:47.16 | Zugschlus | Hm. When I select a multi-line URL in a konsole, klipper picks up the line break as "%0a" in the URL, invalidating it. Is there a workaround? |
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| 13:53.45 | hareldvd | with kde3.3.0 when kdm starts, what are the files that control kde environment? |
| 13:55.48 | PieD | re |
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| 14:00.40 | __Ziggy__ | Hey.. I am using Kmail from KDE 3.3.0. The popfilters don't seem te be working. I enabled filter if message is greater than 1 byte.. Doesn't do change a bit. Am I missing something? |
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| 14:00.55 | __Ziggy__ | I am trying to leave my messages on the server for 7 days |
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| 14:05.42 | hareldvd__ | which file configures kdm |
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| 14:10.52 | hareldvd__ | which files configure kdm |
| 14:11.13 | sredna | KDEDIR/share/cvonfig/kdm/kdmrc is the main configuration file |
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| 14:11.33 | sredna | Config |
| 14:11.34 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
| 14:11.56 | eisregen | Authorisation failed, An error occured during authentication: SASL(-4): no mechanism available: No worthy mechs found authentication not supported <- anybody got this too with 3.4beta2 and smtp ? |
| 14:12.19 | hareldvd__ | sredna - andres: what about files in /etc/X11/xdm ? |
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| 14:12.57 | sredna | hareldvd__: They are used if the main config files points to them |
| 14:14.20 | snugglemonkey | eisregen: I have that error with CVS head. |
| 14:14.35 | hareldvd__ | sredna: OK. Got it. Thanks. |
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| 14:15.23 | snugglemonkey | eisregen: I have tried every possible combination for my mail server, and I can not get it to work... and that's a lot of permutations |
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| 14:18.51 | jaune_d_oeuf | snugglemonkey: You're lucky, it takes about 13 hours just for kdebase/libs/pim on my laptop :) |
| 14:19.02 | eisregen | snugglemonkey: does your server use the logon method ? |
| 14:19.16 | eisregen | *login authentification I meant |
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| 14:19.25 | linux-addict | hi |
| 14:19.47 | eisregen | snugglemonkey: I'm currently recompiling cyrus-sasl ... |
| 14:19.51 | eisregen | snugglemonkey: --enable-login enable unsupported LOGIN authentication [no] |
| 14:19.57 | linux-addict | hi |
| 14:20.04 | eisregen | I' wondering what they mean by unsopported |
| 14:20.09 | linux-addict | how do I export a window decoration and theme |
| 14:20.14 | linux-addict | ? |
| 14:21.00 | eisregen | I'm also wondering why they switched to that cyrus-sasl library when the previous method worked fin in 89% of all cases =( |
| 14:21.21 | eisregen | s/89/98/ |
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| 14:23.56 | linux-addict | omg |
| 14:24.10 | linux-addict | where does kde put the theme and windows decoration style and stuff? |
| 14:25.03 | snugglemonkey | eisregen: I am reading what you have typed. was afk for the moment.... |
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| 14:29.01 | SteamedPenguin | wheee |
| 14:29.10 | Cerulean | Is it possible to remove auto-completion in Quanta for files with a certain mime-type/suffix? |
| 14:29.12 | SteamedPenguin | toolchain recompile |
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| 14:29.40 | Cerulean | The CSS auto-completion is just annoying |
| 14:29.52 | Cerulean | Yet the xhtml auto-completion is a God-send. |
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| 14:53.15 | StarScream | hey guys, I have an icon in my system tray for the program opera. I was just wondering if there is any way i can find out the filename for the icon its using |
| 14:54.44 | annma | StarScream: how did you install opera? |
| 14:55.05 | annma | the easiest is maybe to look at the packages content and see where opera stuff is installed |
| 14:55.06 | StarScream | annma: erm...install script that came with it |
| 14:55.27 | annma | with it: how did it came? tarball? rpm? |
| 14:55.52 | StarScream | annma: binary tar.gz (slackware option) there is a install.sh file you run |
| 14:56.16 | StarScream | annma: but it doesn't actually add it to the slack packages db |
| 14:56.18 | annma | slackware, hmmmm |
| 14:56.31 | annma | the only system I don't know.... |
| 14:56.45 | annma | can you make install again for opera? |
| 14:56.55 | annma | and see in konsole where the stuff goes? |
| 14:56.56 | StarScream | annma: nah its comes as binary |
| 14:56.59 | annma | ah |
| 14:57.05 | annma | binary |
| 14:57.09 | StarScream | and it installs all over the joint :) |
| 14:57.19 | annma | no way to see the files that it installs? |
| 14:57.33 | annma | that's lack of control for the user |
| 14:57.37 | StarScream | annma: hmm not that i can see... |
| 14:58.08 | StarScream | annma: its not a huge problem as you can uninstall it..but yeh i have this one icon in the system try which ISNT transparent |
| 14:58.16 | StarScream | and its bugging the hell outta me :) |
| 14:58.47 | StarScream | but locate opera.xpm and opera.png give me all transparent images |
| 14:58.49 | annma | drag the program in kicker |
| 14:58.56 | annma | right click on it |
| 14:59.11 | StarScream | annma: not sure what you mean..its in the system tray |
| 14:59.15 | annma | ->properties |
| 14:59.24 | annma | from K menu to kicker |
| 15:00.12 | StarScream | annma: nah the KMenu icon IS transparent...just not the one in the System tray |
| 15:00.50 | annma | access the properties tab for the program |
| 15:00.59 | annma | you should be able to click on the icon |
| 15:01.14 | annma | and tehn you should be able to see where it comes from |
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| 15:03.54 | StarScream | annma: sorry, i'm not sure i am explaining this properly...the Kicker icon, and KMenu icon (where you get the properties from) are fine...they are transparent and ok. |
| 15:04.17 | StarScream | annma: the System Tray icon looks completely different, isn't transparent and there is no "properties" for it |
| 15:04.57 | StarScream | I have a Hide, Undock and quit option if i right mouse button click on the opera system tray icon |
| 15:05.07 | annma | yes I know |
| 15:05.27 | annma | I just meant that if you find 1` icon location it'll be easier to find the others |
| 15:05.32 | annma | there are several sizes |
| 15:05.43 | annma | 16x16, 22x22, 32x32 and so on |
| 15:05.51 | StarScream | annma: oh ok, i'm using the nuvola set...so i know where all the KDE icons are...this ISN't a kde icon |
| 15:05.54 | annma | the tray icon is 16 |
| 15:06.08 | annma | I know it's not a kde icon |
| 15:06.21 | annma | <sigh> |
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| 15:07.33 | StarScream | annma: all the "opera" icons i can find..are in /usr/share/opera/icons |
| 15:08.46 | StarScream | can i not ask KSystray for Info on what its displaying? |
| 15:09.51 | annma | you ean opera not be in systray? |
| 15:09.56 | annma | you mean |
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| 15:11.32 | StarScream | annma: nah forget it ..too difficult. :) thanks anyway |
| 15:11.49 | annma | opera itself should have this option |
| 15:11.51 | StarScream | annma: i think it may actually be kde having a problem with transparent xpm files |
| 15:12.00 | annma | StarScream: ah? |
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| 15:12.09 | annma | not there |
| 15:12.18 | annma | I use a transparent kicker and all icons are ok |
| 15:12.27 | annma | in systray and everywhere |
| 15:12.28 | StarScream | annma: are they .png or xpm? |
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| 15:12.52 | ArtyObs | how can i use pgp6 as crypto tool for kmail? i only see gpgme in the options. |
| 15:13.00 | annma | most are png |
| 15:13.14 | annma | send me one transparent xpm |
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| 15:13.58 | StarScream | annma: email? |
| 15:14.13 | annma | annma@kde.org |
| 15:15.30 | StarScream | annma: hmm nah its not kde...unless KSystray uses a different method to render icons than Kicker....or i could just have not found that particular icon file yet |
| 15:15.47 | annma | ok |
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| 15:18.00 | jaune_d_oeuf | I got a problem with konsole on kde 3.4 beta2 |
| 15:18.14 | jaune_d_oeuf | The Alt Gr key doesn't work |
| 15:18.42 | jaune_d_oeuf | But in the rest of KDE or with xterm/kdm/twm, everything works fine |
| 15:18.42 | annma | what is the Gr key? |
| 15:19.08 | jaune_d_oeuf | It's the right alt key on a french keyboard |
| 15:19.42 | annma | what should it do? |
| 15:19.59 | jaune_d_oeuf | For example, alt right + @ gives me the list of host in /etc/hosts |
| 15:20.00 | annma | ß |
| 15:20.08 | jaune_d_oeuf | Not the corresponding char |
| 15:20.21 | annma | ~ |
| 15:20.30 | annma | that's alt @ |
| 15:20.51 | annma | alt right +@ = ~ |
| 15:21.24 | annma | lol |
| 15:21.31 | jaune_d_oeuf | Not with a french layout |
| 15:21.35 | slayerbob | :P |
| 15:21.36 | annma | yes |
| 15:21.43 | annma | jaune_d_oeuf: I have a fr layout |
| 15:21.51 | annma | what I did was with fr layout |
| 15:22.04 | annma | alt right +@ in us layout gives me nothing |
| 15:22.23 | annma | ah |
| 15:22.40 | annma | inkonsole alt right + @ in US gives me (arg: 2) |
| 15:23.00 | jaune_d_oeuf | It works everywhere but only in konsole, it doesn't work |
| 15:23.19 | annma | did you bind the key? |
| 15:23.57 | jaune_d_oeuf | annma: You have a french keyboard? so perhaps could we speak in french? |
| 15:24.08 | annma | of course |
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| 15:24.19 | jaune_d_oeuf | merci :) |
| 15:24.56 | ArtyObs | how can i use pgp6 as crypto tool for kmail? i only see gpgme in the options. |
| 15:25.32 | jaune_d_oeuf | annma: Je suis le seul à rencontrer ce problème donc? |
| 15:25.51 | annma | je ne sais pas quel est le probleme exactement |
| 15:26.08 | annma | 1) as-tu pris un nouvel utilisateur pour la beta? |
| 15:26.26 | annma | ou est-ce un ancien utilisateur avec une ancienne configuration? |
| 15:26.34 | jaune_d_oeuf | Le pc est fraichement installé |
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| 15:26.43 | Linux-addict | hi |
| 15:26.43 | jaune_d_oeuf | Et il n'y a qu'une seule version de kde dessus |
| 15:27.01 | Linux-addict | how do u export a kde theme? |
| 15:27.04 | annma | met ton client irc en utf8 car je ne vois pas tes accents |
| 15:27.22 | annma | éèà ç |
| 15:27.27 | Linux-addict | I saw suse has a nice theme |
| 15:27.27 | annma | vois-tu cela? |
| 15:27.32 | Linux-addict | nice windows decoration etc |
| 15:27.42 | Linux-addict | can I export it so I can use it for kde on slackware? |
| 15:27.53 | jaune_d_oeuf | Je les vois |
| 15:28.02 | annma | je ne vois pas les tiens |
| 15:28.10 | annma | Le pc est fraichement installé |
| 15:28.53 | annma | donc tu n'as rien changé pour la touche alt-Gr |
| 15:29.17 | jaune_d_oeuf | ok, l'habitude d'être sur des cannaux où l'iso8859-15 est de mise :) La ça va? |
| 15:29.31 | jaune_d_oeuf | Non aucune reconfiguration du mapping du clavier |
| 15:30.33 | annma | tu avais une autre version de kde avant? |
| 15:30.41 | jaune_d_oeuf | Non |
| 15:30.59 | jaune_d_oeuf | En installant j'ai directement mis la beta 2 |
| 15:31.50 | jaune_d_oeuf | Hum |
| 15:31.56 | jaune_d_oeuf | JE crois que le problème est corrigé |
| 15:32.23 | annma | c'est la magie de annma' |
| 15:32.41 | jaune_d_oeuf | Merci à toi et du temps pris pour m'aider :) |
| 15:32.53 | annma | :) je n'ai rien fait ! |
| 15:33.24 | jaune_d_oeuf | Tu as pris du temps, c'est déjà beaucoup |
| 15:33.33 | annma | :) |
| 15:34.00 | jaune_d_oeuf | En plus ça m'a permis de parler avec une développeuse kde :) |
| 15:34.12 | jaune_d_oeuf | Je souligne le une, ce qui fait plaisir à voir :) |
| 15:34.15 | annma | ;) |
| 15:34.19 | annma | merci |
| 15:34.36 | snugglemonkey | wow. |
| 15:34.50 | annma | hey, snugglemonkey |
| 15:34.58 | annma | what are you up to? |
| 15:35.40 | snugglemonkey | nothing. I have nothing to do since kde built perfectly without my touching it, entire cvs in 5 hours. So, now I'm just doing the "normal" things like shaving, bath, eating, etc. |
| 15:35.50 | annma | lol |
| 15:35.52 | annma | good |
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| 15:38.06 | snugglemonkey | annma: I found out htat someone else had the same issue with PIM in sending e-mail that I did. Though, he's gone and I can't find out if his escapades have fixed it. |
| 15:38.39 | annma | oh |
| 15:39.25 | snugglemonkey | it has something to do with cyrus.. I will have to listen more closely for other errors. |
| 15:39.29 | annma | it seems the KMail view was fixed, I had some problems when viewing the last email of the list |
| 15:39.40 | annma | what is cyrus? |
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| 15:39.52 | snugglemonkey | Apparenly, a e-mail transport method. |
| 15:40.14 | annma | ah, ok |
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| 15:59.44 | Linux-addict | I have problem installing theme's |
| 15:59.55 | Linux-addict | or installing icons |
| 16:00.12 | annma | ok, tell us more please |
| 16:00.19 | annma | what icon theme for ex? |
| 16:00.27 | Linux-addict | /home/jinxi/nuvola-1.0/nuvola/index.theme |
| 16:00.34 | Linux-addict | this is a icon theme |
| 16:00.42 | Linux-addict | but it tells me invalid theme file |
| 16:00.52 | annma | nuvola |
| 16:00.57 | annma | what kde version? |
| 16:01.13 | Linux-addict | 3.3 |
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| 16:02.02 | annma | how did you install it? |
| 16:02.17 | Linux-addict | I go to the icon section in control center |
| 16:02.32 | Linux-addict | and click on install new theme |
| 16:03.07 | annma | yes and then? |
| 16:04.03 | Linux-addict | I selected the file index.theme |
| 16:04.11 | Linux-addict | and click on ok |
| 16:04.27 | Linux-addict | ok again |
| 16:04.39 | Linux-addict | and it says invlaid theme file |
| 16:05.10 | annma | yes, it's not how to do it |
| 16:05.37 | annma | click install new theme and then in the file dialog point to the tarball |
| 16:05.49 | annma | you don't have to untar the package |
| 16:06.21 | annma | just point to the nuvola-1.0.tar.gz |
| 16:06.32 | annma | and it'll get installed magically |
| 16:07.09 | annma | nice theme by the way |
| 16:07.27 | Linux-addict | yep |
| 16:07.35 | annma | Linux-addict: is it installed now? |
| 16:07.38 | Linux-addict | yep |
| 16:07.41 | Linux-addict | thanx |
| 16:07.42 | annma | :) |
| 16:07.43 | Linux-addict | :=) |
| 16:08.09 | Linux-addict | I want my mouse the have shadow |
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| 16:08.20 | Linux-addict | annma: know a mouse theme? |
| 16:08.42 | annma | Linux-addict: no, I use the default one which I like |
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| 16:12.37 | Linux-addict | annma: how do u install a mouse cursor theme? |
| 16:12.38 | Linux-addict | :\ |
| 16:13.15 | annma | KControl -> Peripheral -> Mouse |
| 16:13.20 | annma | what theme is it? |
| 16:13.41 | Linux-addict | it is .zip |
| 16:13.50 | Linux-addict | should I make a .tar.gz one? |
| 16:14.02 | annma | what is the url? |
| 16:14.11 | Linux-addict | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6336 |
| 16:14.14 | annma | no, don't change it |
| 16:14.20 | annma | let me see |
| 16:15.03 | annma | see on the page |
| 16:15.05 | annma | unzip it |
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| 16:15.16 | annma | cd to the dir |
| 16:15.22 | annma | type 'make install |
| 16:15.24 | Linux-addict | yea |
| 16:15.30 | Linux-addict | I changed it allready |
| 16:15.38 | Linux-addict | brb, got to restart kde to see the effect |
| 16:15.39 | Linux-addict | :=) |
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| 16:16.28 | Linux-addict | W00T |
| 16:16.34 | Linux-addict | MY CURSOR HAS SHADOW NOW |
| 16:16.37 | Linux-addict | OPS |
| 16:16.42 | annma | lol |
| 16:16.42 | Linux-addict | ops |
| 16:17.01 | Linux-addict | I didn't feel any performance change in kde |
| 16:17.09 | Linux-addict | after enabling that much things |
| 16:17.41 | annma | good |
| 16:18.01 | annma | let me see that theme, I'll log out |
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| 16:21.26 | Linux-addict | annma: I'm using the whiteglass cursor |
| 16:21.32 | Linux-addict | not the one I gave u |
| 16:21.43 | annma | lol |
| 16:21.50 | annma | the one I installed is dull |
| 16:22.03 | Linux-addict | restart kde ;) |
| 16:22.06 | annma | I prefer wonderland |
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| 16:23.33 | Linux-addict | wonderland? |
| 16:23.44 | Linux-addict | any screenshot? |
| 16:24.14 | annma | maybe it's in kdeaddons |
| 16:24.22 | annma | or kde-artwork |
| 16:25.34 | annma | it's a black cursor theme |
| 16:25.39 | annma | I have it by default |
| 16:25.44 | annma | but I run 3.4 |
| 16:26.11 | Linux-addict | ahh |
| 16:26.14 | Linux-addict | the beta 2? |
| 16:26.37 | annma | well, cvs HEAD |
| 16:26.44 | annma | that's kde from today |
| 16:26.56 | annma | I update every day |
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| 16:28.52 | gcosmin | hi |
| 16:29.23 | gcosmin | i don`t know why but some time my KDE stop for 4 5 sec .. |
| 16:29.54 | Linux-addict | annma: how do I install fonts? |
| 16:29.54 | annma | what do you mean by 'stop' |
| 16:30.21 | annma | Linux-addict: do you have new fonts? |
| 16:30.31 | gcosmin | annma, i mean.. it` feaz |
| 16:30.40 | annma | gcosmin: explain what stops |
| 16:30.45 | annma | what freezes? |
| 16:30.55 | gcosmin | i can`t move mouse |
| 16:31.06 | gcosmin | cant use Alt TAB |
| 16:31.08 | annma | Linux-addict: last time I got a new font I just clicked on it and a font installer appeared |
| 16:31.20 | annma | gcosmin: how did you install your KDE? |
| 16:31.22 | Linux-addict | mhhh |
| 16:31.30 | Linux-addict | annma: what extention do fonts have? |
| 16:31.33 | gcosmin | i install slackware 10.1 |
| 16:31.41 | annma | Linux-addict: mine was a ttf |
| 16:32.02 | annma | gcosmin: does it freeze since you installed it? |
| 16:32.13 | gcosmin | yes |
| 16:32.33 | gcosmin | i don`t made any changes on it |
| 16:32.35 | annma | gcosmin: wooow, seems bad then |
| 16:32.49 | annma | gcosmin: you should uninstall and reinstall it |
| 16:33.01 | annma | gcosmin: is it your first kde install? |
| 16:33.51 | gcosmin | annma, KDE 3.3.1 make the same thing |
| 16:34.00 | gcosmin | whan i install 3.3.2 no problem |
| 16:34.11 | annma | gcosmin: ah so keep 3.3.2 |
| 16:34.52 | gcosmin | but i install now the new distribution version |
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| 16:35.01 | gcosmin | and i have the same problem .. |
| 16:35.41 | gcosmin | annma, i agree whit u, i should uninstall and reinstall it |
| 16:35.52 | annma | yes |
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| 16:36.13 | annma | does everything work well in your distro except KDE? |
| 16:36.29 | gcosmin | yap |
| 16:36.45 | annma | weird, very weird |
| 16:36.56 | annma | lots of people use slackware for kde |
| 16:38.09 | StevenR | i've not had those problems with my slack10.1 install and kde3.3.2 |
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| 16:45.06 | Exis | I'd like to download the latest beta, but I'm not sure where to get it for Fedora 2... |
| 16:45.37 | Exis | There's the yum repository, but I'm a bit nervous about using the "unstable" repository, since it doesn't explicitly say that it's the beta. |
| 16:45.47 | Exis | I don't want to use a nightly build. |
| 16:45.58 | Exis | Any suggestions on where to get the beta? |
| 16:46.21 | annma | you can get tarballs and compile it |
| 16:46.30 | annma | using a script called konstruct |
| 16:46.59 | annma | if you have enough disk space it's safe to install it besides your current install |
| 16:47.51 | Exis | I'm not sure that I do. |
| 16:48.02 | Exis | about how much does it take? |
| 16:48.08 | annma | what is your current kde version? |
| 16:48.15 | Exis | 3.3.2 |
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| 16:48.53 | annma | well you could wait for 3.4 to be out |
| 16:48.59 | annma | in one month |
| 16:49.05 | Linux-addict | that's alot time |
| 16:49.13 | Linux-addict | I'm fine with 3.3 |
| 16:49.19 | annma | yes |
| 16:49.24 | Linux-addict | but if 3.4 makes alot differences |
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| 16:49.31 | annma | normal users should not upgrade to beta |
| 16:49.33 | Linux-addict | I will upgrade |
| 16:49.45 | SteamedPenguin | annma: is there going to be a beta3 you think, or go to rc1 then rc2? |
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| 16:49.53 | pops | i need help |
| 16:49.56 | annma | rc1 I think |
| 16:49.58 | Exis | yeah, I suppose if the alternative is compiling it from source as opposed to going with RPMs, I think I can hold off for a month. |
| 16:50.03 | annma | the betas went well |
| 16:50.14 | Linux-addict | StevenR: u can have 2 kde on the same machine |
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| 16:50.17 | Linux-addict | I did it before |
| 16:50.19 | annma | Exis: yeah, it's the safest and the easiest |
| 16:50.38 | annma | Exis: compiling the beta is for advanced users or testers or translators |
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| 16:50.50 | SteamedPenguin | annma: yeah, very nice stuff. although for some reason noatun and juk won't play mp3/oggs, but that's probably a gentoo thing |
| 16:50.55 | pops | i just got finished emerging kde 3.3.2 and when i went to log in to X it was the real beater one, how do i log in to the normal one? |
| 16:51.04 | annma | SteamedPenguin: gentoo is weird |
| 16:51.07 | basse_W | StevenR: there was klax, or someting, advertised on kde.org, liveCD with the beta |
| 16:51.10 | SteamedPenguin | annma: heh. :) |
| 16:51.16 | annma | juk and noatun play everything here |
| 16:51.17 | StevenR | Linux-addict: but i dont have to time to fiddle with this box, i need it to work always. so i won't run beta on this one |
| 16:51.19 | SteamedPenguin | annma: so am I. :) |
| 16:51.25 | annma | lol |
| 16:51.27 | Exis | well, I'm reasonably advanced. |
| 16:51.31 | StevenR | basse_W: i know, itried it through qemu |
| 16:51.38 | annma | Exis: but why do you need 3.4 beta? |
| 16:51.44 | annma | curiosity only? |
| 16:51.48 | annma | a beta is a beta |
| 16:51.49 | Exis | basically. :) |
| 16:51.56 | pops | any help? |
| 16:52.05 | Exis | I think I'll wait on it. |
| 16:52.14 | annma | beater one? |
| 16:52.20 | annma | pops: what do you mean? |
| 16:52.36 | annma | pops: explain better |
| 16:53.01 | pops | ok hang on |
| 16:53.18 | annma | Exis: if you have 2 Gb spare and time then compile the beta |
| 16:53.37 | Exis | space is tight on this machine. |
| 16:53.38 | annma | Exis: create a new user for it and special install dir |
| 16:53.45 | Linux-addict | the ugly windows that kde does not change, is that gtk? |
| 16:53.46 | annma | ah, then forget about it |
| 16:53.54 | PieD | re |
| 16:53.56 | annma | Linux-addict: lol, yes! |
| 16:53.56 | Linux-addict | and ugly scrollbars |
| 16:54.08 | Linux-addict | annma: any way to make it looks better? |
| 16:54.08 | Exis | I suppose I could put it on my USB drive, but that seems like a bit of an ordeal. I think I'll hold off. :) |
| 16:54.09 | Linux-addict | :'( |
| 16:54.20 | Linux-addict | that window just take away all my kde feeling |
| 16:54.21 | Linux-addict | :'( |
| 16:55.32 | PhilRod | apt: qt-gtk |
| 16:55.33 | Exis | try running "gnome-control-center" from the command line |
| 16:55.41 | Exis | and click on the "theme" icon. |
| 16:55.55 | Exis | you might be able to change the gtk theme from there to something less ugly. |
| 16:56.25 | annma | provided you have the gnome control center |
| 16:56.29 | Linux-addict | yea |
| 16:56.41 | Linux-addict | if I change the theme for gtk. would all app using gtk change too? |
| 16:56.48 | annma | yes |
| 16:56.52 | Linux-addict | nice |
| 16:56.53 | pops | When i log into Xsm: Default some beater looking thing and i wanna log in to the normal looking kde |
| 16:57.00 | Linux-addict | but I don't have gnome |
| 16:57.06 | pops | thats not much better |
| 16:57.06 | Linux-addict | is there such option in kde? |
| 16:57.08 | pops | hang on |
| 16:57.18 | annma | pops: <pops> When I log into Xsm: Default some beater looking thing <-???? |
| 16:57.31 | annma | pops: add startkde in your .xinit |
| 16:57.49 | annma | provided your PATH has KDEDIR/bin in it |
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| 16:58.57 | Linux-addict | Exis: do u know how to change the gtk theme in konsole? |
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| 16:59.24 | annma | pops: doesn't gentoo explain how to log in kde? |
| 16:59.41 | Exis | honestly, if you don't have gnome installed, I'm not sure what to tell you. |
| 16:59.51 | PhilRod | Linux-addict: you can edit the .gtkrc file (I think that's what it's called) but better ask in #gnome |
| 16:59.58 | pops | im a noob and this if my first time messing with gentoo |
| 17:00.10 | pops | and i have no idea how to do what u said |
| 17:00.13 | annma | pops: nnob should not use gentto |
| 17:00.24 | annma | ask in #gentoo |
| 17:00.34 | pops | i did they wont answer me |
| 17:00.48 | annma | see |
| 17:01.12 | annma | what about the doc then? |
| 17:02.08 | pops | im reading it now |
| 17:04.22 | Linux-addict | I think I'm gonna get a normal mouse. the old ones that use a ball |
| 17:04.31 | Linux-addict | these optical mouse suck |
| 17:04.50 | pops | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.51 | Linux-addict | My pointer goes to another location suddenly |
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| 17:05.01 | Linux-addict | annma: give it to me |
| 17:05.04 | annma | pops: :) see |
| 17:05.08 | Exis | brb |
| 17:05.10 | annma | Linux-addict: no way! |
| 17:06.17 | StarScream | Linux-addict: no way optical mouse are best...don't have to clean your damn trackball all the time |
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| 17:07.15 | Linux-addict | StarScream: does ur mouse do what mine does? |
| 17:07.24 | pops | i must of did something wrong to kde tho, it still looks beater and old vasion lookin |
| 17:07.34 | Linux-addict | lol |
| 17:07.37 | Linux-addict | pops: mine rox |
| 17:07.41 | StarScream | Linux-addict: my mouse works fine.... its a microsoft one for like 5 quid |
| 17:07.41 | annma | pops: what kde version is it? |
| 17:07.57 | pops | 3.3.2 |
| 17:07.59 | annma | pops: did you set KDEDIR in your .bash_profile? |
| 17:08.13 | pops | i dont think |
| 17:08.14 | annma | pops: do you have several kde versions? |
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| 17:08.24 | StarScream | pops: bah your using gentoo right? don't suppose you recompiled qt did you? |
| 17:08.35 | annma | lol |
| 17:08.44 | pops | i guess not |
| 17:08.51 | annma | not? |
| 17:08.54 | annma | not? |
| 17:09.00 | pops | =( |
| 17:09.09 | annma | what the hell????? |
| 17:09.36 | StarScream | pops: get rid of gentoo until you understand about compiling stuff...and if you don't want to understand definately don't use gentoo :) |
| 17:09.40 | annma | why does gentoo allow things like that? |
| 17:09.58 | StarScream | annma: coz their Uber l33t |
| 17:10.07 | StarScream | :) |
| 17:10.11 | pops | look i just need know how to fix it =( |
| 17:10.24 | StarScream | pops: ask in #gentoo |
| 17:10.28 | annma | pops: you need to knowe what you're doing |
| 17:10.36 | annma | ask in #gentoo |
| 17:10.43 | StarScream | pops: we can't fix gentoos mistakes |
| 17:10.52 | annma | gentoo is out of our bounds |
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| 17:11.08 | annma | we know about compilation, yes |
| 17:11.16 | annma | but not about gentoo |
| 17:11.17 | StarScream | pops: pretty much any other distro and we could help :) |
| 17:11.19 | Exis | LinuxAddict: I have your solution. |
| 17:11.25 | annma | pops: I compile kde every day |
| 17:11.35 | annma | pops: and I don't have gentoo |
| 17:11.40 | annma | pops: and kde works |
| 17:11.52 | Exis | go here: |
| 17:11.55 | Exis | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fgtk_2dqt |
| 17:12.02 | Exis | download the source, compile and install it. |
| 17:12.10 | pops | darn |
| 17:12.20 | annma | pops: why did you choose gentoo? |
| 17:12.28 | annma | because it's trendy? |
| 17:12.32 | StarScream | pops: if you want to have complete control of your distro use debian or slackware, otherwise suse, mandrake or fedora would be a good choice |
| 17:12.50 | StarScream | you can get lots of support from all those distro's |
| 17:13.03 | annma | pops: besides if you want to have control on things just compile manually |
| 17:13.06 | Exis | then there should be a new "GTK Styles & Fonts" section in your KDE control center. |
| 17:13.10 | annma | no need to 'emerge' |
| 17:13.18 | Exis | just set it the way you want, hit apply, and then restart your apps. |
| 17:13.40 | annma | Exis: nice! did you try it? |
| 17:13.42 | pops | my brothers friend made me take windows xp off my puter because i kept on beating for messing up, but now the fag wont help me when it messes up |
| 17:13.47 | Exis | yup |
| 17:13.52 | Exis | It's working right now. |
| 17:14.04 | Exis | firefox and xchat are happily running with my KDE theme. |
| 17:14.08 | annma | pops: use another Linux, one you don't have to read tons of doc |
| 17:14.20 | Exis | You may have to restart X... I did, just to be sure. |
| 17:14.24 | StarScream | pops: seriously...download suse personal, debian, fedora...and it will be as painless as XP without the hassle |
| 17:14.25 | annma | pops: Suse, Mandrake are installed in a few minutes |
| 17:14.48 | StarScream | pops: or mandrake is a nice choice |
| 17:15.00 | annma | Mandrake installs really easily |
| 17:15.05 | annma | no hassle at all |
| 17:15.12 | annma | better than XP |
| 17:15.29 | pops | Good i jut might |
| 17:15.34 | annma | getoo is not for you at all |
| 17:15.50 | annma | gentoo is very very difficult |
| 17:15.54 | StarScream | pops: and if you have any trouble just sing out |
| 17:16.12 | pops | i like emerge tho, because i dont know how to install shit on linux |
| 17:16.22 | annma | besides the #mandrake channel is very nice, unlike #gentoo |
| 17:16.22 | StarScream | pops: mandrake has urpmi i think |
| 17:16.30 | annma | pops: emerge is shit |
| 17:16.38 | StarScream | pops: which is better than emerge |
| 17:16.40 | annma | pops: mandrake installs everything from a CD |
| 17:16.53 | annma | and after mandrake updates really easily |
| 17:16.59 | annma | support is very good |
| 17:17.29 | StarScream | pops: that and the fact that even if you can't find help in #mandrake, i am a slackware user and i can probably help, so can a fedora user, or a debian user ...etc.. |
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| 17:17.43 | StarScream | pops: gentoo is its own beast |
| 17:18.15 | annma | and gentoo now messed with kde sources |
| 17:18.27 | annma | splitting them in hundreds of packages |
| 17:18.32 | StarScream | annma: are you a kde dev? |
| 17:18.33 | annma | with bad dependancies |
| 17:18.36 | annma | yes |
| 17:18.39 | annma | I am |
| 17:18.47 | Linux-addict | so did Suse |
| 17:18.50 | StarScream | annma: is --no-stl still recommended by kde? |
| 17:18.57 | StarScream | as a compile option for qt? |
| 17:19.01 | annma | StarScream: I use no arguments |
| 17:19.05 | annma | ah, qt |
| 17:19.09 | annma | let e see |
| 17:19.15 | StarScream | annma: i know its on the web page |
| 17:19.25 | StarScream | annma: but i didn't know if thats through lack of updating |
| 17:19.46 | StarScream | annma: coz other than slackware and debian everyone else afaik gets rid of the --no-stl option |
| 17:19.59 | annma | yes, I don't use it |
| 17:20.03 | StarScream | but that means that lots of apps don't compile under slackware and debian |
| 17:20.14 | annma | configure -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -plugin-imgfmt-mng -thread -no-exceptions -debug -fast |
| 17:20.21 | annma | that's mu configure for qt |
| 17:20.25 | annma | mu/my |
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| 17:20.40 | annma | and all kde apps compile nicely |
| 17:21.19 | annma | my options are the recommended ones for kde |
| 17:21.38 | StarScream | annma: don't suppose you could recommend a way i can either get the page updated (if the general consensus is to not use it) or find some docs on why its used so i can tell devels who require it why its a bad idea? |
| 17:22.06 | annma | StarScream: you have to ask qt mailing list for that |
| 17:22.35 | annma | look at he README from a qt tarball |
| 17:22.44 | annma | and you'll find the recomanded line |
| 17:22.56 | annma | a qt tarball from trolltech |
| 17:23.03 | StarScream | annma: k, is that recent |
| 17:23.20 | annma | no idea, I always read the README and follow it |
| 17:23.33 | annma | not recent as in the last 2 years |
| 17:23.51 | annma | debian is fairly outdated |
| 17:23.56 | annma | dunno slackware |
| 17:24.05 | StarScream | annma: slack isn't though 3.3.2 for slack 10.1 |
| 17:24.22 | StarScream | annma: patrick only uses devel recommended options |
| 17:24.42 | StarScream | annma: and one of the options for kde is to use --no-stl with qt as per the kde-compile from sources web page |
| 17:25.11 | StarScream | annma: pretty sure trolltech no longer have that option but i shall check and make sure before asking on the list about it |
| 17:25.32 | annma | StarScream: as per the kde-compile from sources web page <-url? |
| 17:25.44 | StarScream | annma: hang on i'll get it |
| 17:26.01 | StarScream | http://quality.kde.org/develop/cvsguide/buildstep.php |
| 17:26.49 | StarScream | ./configure -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng \ |
| 17:26.49 | StarScream | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.50 | StarScream | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.22 | annma | yes |
| 17:27.46 | annma | but in qt-copy which is qt for kde in kde cvs this option is not present |
| 17:27.52 | annma | let me double check |
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| 17:28.13 | annma | The recommended compile line is: |
| 17:28.13 | annma | --default-config-begin-- |
| 17:28.13 | annma | ./configure -system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg \ |
| 17:28.14 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.14 | annma | --default-config-end-- |
| 17:28.33 | annma | let me see something |
| 17:28.45 | StarScream | annma: i'm not arguing with you..i am more trying to find out the correct way :) so i can either tell patrick to update his build script or tell devels not to depend on it |
| 17:29.38 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.38 | annma | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.50 | annma | default from trolltech is with slt |
| 17:30.23 | StarScream | annma: ok, so trolltech says with stl...kde now says with stl ..is that correct? |
| 17:31.02 | annma | yes |
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| 17:31.18 | annma | for my point of view I never used --no-slt |
| 17:32.06 | StarScream | annma: cool..i just didn't want to write to patrick and ask him to change something if its not how the developers do it becuase i'd look stupid |
| 17:33.19 | annma | no |
| 17:33.34 | annma | in fact I don't know much about slt |
| 17:33.57 | annma | but by always following qt guidelines I am able to compile everything |
| 17:34.40 | annma | StarScream: and I wrote a tutorial abpout compiling qt and kde |
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| 17:34.58 | annma | and I had it reviewed at the time by senior kde devels |
| 17:35.14 | annma | and I don't have -no-slt in the configure options |
| 17:35.29 | annma | http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/howtocvs.php |
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| 17:35.41 | Thrain | hello |
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| 17:35.46 | Flendor | Hallo. |
| 17:35.51 | Thrain | I installed kde 3.4.0_beta2 |
| 17:35.53 | annma | Hallo, hello |
| 17:35.58 | annma | Thrain: yes, how>? |
| 17:36.06 | Thrain | annma: emerge kde :D |
| 17:36.07 | StarScream | annma: cool. Thanks for your help . |
| 17:36.09 | Flendor | Hey there annma :) How goes? |
| 17:36.18 | annma | Flendor: I'm ok |
| 17:36.23 | annma | Thrain: and? |
| 17:36.33 | Thrain | however... I can't access as root anymore |
| 17:36.36 | Thrain | using kdm |
| 17:36.43 | Thrain | What option have I to active? |
| 17:36.54 | Thrain | annma: I compiled it from sources |
| 17:36.57 | Thrain | annma: using emerge |
| 17:37.11 | annma | yeah which is different |
| 17:37.18 | pops | when i go to ect/X11/sessions it haves in there kde- 3.2.1 and then kde 3.2.2 then the one i just updated, kde 3.3.2 does this mean i got 3 different kind of kdes on my box? |
| 17:37.18 | annma | see, I compile from real sources |
| 17:37.24 | annma | using konsole and commands |
| 17:37.30 | Thrain | annma: oh |
| 17:37.42 | Thrain | annma: It's annoying, isn't it :D ? |
| 17:37.43 | annma | Thrain: what happens as root? |
| 17:37.53 | annma | Thrain: no, it's ok and it works well |
| 17:38.00 | annma | better than your emerge |
| 17:38.03 | Thrain | annma: :D emerge too ;) |
| 17:38.07 | annma | no, never |
| 17:38.12 | Thrain | annma: As you want |
| 17:38.15 | Thrain | annma: howver |
| 17:38.15 | annma | NEVER |
| 17:38.22 | Thrain | *however |
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| 17:38.26 | annma | see we are inondated here with gentoo users |
| 17:38.38 | Thrain | kdm doesn't show the root user |
| 17:38.39 | pops | =( |
| 17:38.40 | annma | they all have weird problems |
| 17:39.04 | Thrain | annma: excuse me, do you want to attack the gentoo users or help me :D ? |
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| 17:39.11 | dolphin | hmm |
| 17:39.20 | dolphin | what kde is missing is a proper irc client... |
| 17:39.23 | annma | Thrain: so kdm does not show root |
| 17:39.25 | Thrain | annma: kdm tell me that the root access is denied |
| 17:39.26 | pops | he wants to help me =)) |
| 17:39.31 | dolphin | hello, annma :) |
| 17:39.31 | annma | dolphin: ksirc |
| 17:39.36 | Thrain | dolphin: ksirc |
| 17:39.39 | annma | pops: SHE |
| 17:39.41 | dolphin | it was far from proper |
| 17:39.46 | annma | dolphin: why? |
| 17:39.46 | pops | oh.. sorry |
| 17:39.55 | annma | dolphin: does everything I need |
| 17:39.58 | Thrain | oh |
| 17:40.03 | annma | dolphin: what is missing? |
| 17:40.27 | dolphin | it doesn't display tabs aligned to right |
| 17:40.29 | Thrain | uhm ohm |
| 17:40.50 | dolphin | and when having like 25 open channels, it's hardly useful for them to be in tabs |
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| 17:41.02 | annma | dolphin: make a bug report |
| 17:41.21 | annma | Thrain: but you should never log as root anyway |
| 17:41.31 | Thrain | annma: I know |
| 17:41.34 | annma | Thrain: I think it's good that root does not show |
| 17:41.42 | Thrain | annma: I know |
| 17:41.42 | annma | so what's the problem? |
| 17:41.45 | Borg^Queen | Hey people I need help here with an internal zip 250. It keeps saying "Mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified" |
| 17:41.45 | dolphin | annma: it's helped never before, so I doubt it would now :P |
| 17:41.50 | Thrain | annma: I WANT to access as root |
| 17:41.52 | Thrain | annma: :D |
| 17:41.53 | Borg^Queen | in the fstab, it's on auto |
| 17:42.06 | annma | Thrain: why? |
| 17:42.06 | Thrain | annma: that's the problem |
| 17:42.15 | Thrain | annma: because I have to do some things |
| 17:42.21 | annma | what thigs? |
| 17:42.29 | Thrain | uhm |
| 17:42.45 | annma | kde offers you a konsole as root and konqueror as root |
| 17:42.45 | Thrain | Testing switch user |
| 17:42.52 | annma | ? |
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| 17:43.00 | Thrain | I have only a user |
| 17:43.06 | annma | Thrain: you don't need to be root |
| 17:43.11 | Thrain | annma: however, do you know what to do or not? |
| 17:43.14 | annma | create a new user |
| 17:43.26 | Thrain | annma: I don't want to create inutile users |
| 17:43.41 | annma | su as root in tty and startkde |
| 17:43.44 | annma | :) |
| 17:43.46 | Thrain | :D |
| 17:44.00 | Thrain | annma: but switch user show me kdm |
| 17:44.03 | Thrain | annma: not startkde |
| 17:44.03 | Thrain | :D |
| 17:44.06 | annma | root in kdm is a security hazard |
| 17:44.12 | annma | no? |
| 17:44.16 | Thrain | annma: yes |
| 17:44.24 | annma | what then? start path/to/kde |
| 17:44.27 | Thrain | annma: so I disconnect myself from internet first |
| 17:44.31 | sarah03 | Root isn't something you use for testing... root is something you use for making test users. |
| 17:44.45 | annma | sarah03: :) yes! |
| 17:44.57 | Thrain | bon bon |
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| 17:45.03 | annma | tu vois? |
| 17:45.16 | Thrain | annma: je vois? |
| 17:45.25 | annma | we all agree |
| 17:45.28 | Linux-addict | annma: do u know the bar on the k menu? it says action on it, how do u remove it? |
| 17:45.28 | Thrain | bon |
| 17:45.31 | annma | :-) |
| 17:45.31 | Thrain | I disagree :D |
| 17:45.44 | Thrain | this is my problem, not yours :D |
| 17:45.49 | annma | Linux-addict: you can't |
| 17:46.20 | Thrain | what does it mean "says action"? Excuse me I'm Italian |
| 17:46.33 | Linux-addict | annma: u can |
| 17:46.38 | Linux-addict | I don't remember |
| 17:46.45 | annma | Linux-addict: then in KControl |
| 17:46.54 | annma | let me check |
| 17:46.59 | Thrain | uhm |
| 17:47.01 | Linux-addict | u have to edit a file by hand |
| 17:47.05 | sarah03 | A bar on the K menu that says "action"? Err... there's a bar on my K menu that says "KDE 3.4" |
| 17:47.32 | sarah03 | Or are you referring to the one at the bottom, right above "logout" and such? |
| 17:47.35 | annma | Linux-addict: KCOntrol -> Desktop->Panels |
| 17:47.41 | annma | ah |
| 17:47.41 | Thrain | bon bon |
| 17:48.22 | Flendor | "Bon bon"s are a type of candy, no? :) |
| 17:48.30 | Thrain | Flendor: yes |
| 17:48.44 | Thrain | Flendor: but I use it as "well well" |
| 17:48.48 | sarah03 | Yeah, I keep thinking candy or ice cream every time I see that. |
| 17:48.56 | Thrain | Bon -> Bene -> Well |
| 17:50.00 | Borg^Queen | I need help here with an internal zip 250. It keeps saying "Mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified" |
| 17:50.11 | Thrain | So: with kdm 3.3.2 I can login as root, with kde 3.4.0 I can't anymore, beautiful thing :) It seems a windows-like security solution to me |
| 17:50.20 | Flendor | I know Thrain, I can speak a bit of French |
| 17:50.22 | Borg^Queen | in the fstab, I have it as auto like in the other machines |
| 17:51.50 | Thrain | Flendor: ah! Tu parles Français! Je l'étudia a l'école... par 3 année |
| 17:52.17 | Thrain | gh |
| 17:52.39 | Thrain | é == e with grave :) |
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| 17:53.22 | Flendor | J'ai juste pris deux courses.. |
| 17:53.31 | Thrain | oh |
| 17:53.44 | Flendor | Je peux parler un peux, mais pas beaucoup.. |
| 17:53.57 | Flendor | ..mais je crois je peux aller en France comme tourist :) |
| 17:54.05 | Flendor | ..and survive ;) |
| 17:54.26 | Thrain | bon :D |
| 17:54.37 | Flendor | Oui oui |
| 17:55.05 | Flendor | I sometimes speak to myself in French..it's fun..though carries the risk of being taken to an asylum :/ |
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| 17:55.32 | Thrain | Si je aurais en France, je mourais après un jour ;) |
| 17:56.00 | Flendor | Hey I haven't learnt the future tense yet ;) |
| 17:56.02 | Thrain | I know very well the grammar... but I have to refresh it |
| 17:56.24 | Thrain | Flendor: future tense and conjunctive mode |
| 17:56.25 | Thrain | mode? |
| 17:56.33 | Thrain | exists "mode" in English? |
| 17:56.34 | Thrain | :D |
| 17:56.44 | Flendor | I'm going to take French as an optional course this year.. |
| 17:56.44 | Flendor | ..however will begin from 1st class :/ |
| 17:57.02 | Flendor | So I will have a lot of opportunity to be a prick and say "I know this already", blah blah ;) |
| 17:57.26 | Thrain | :D |
| 17:57.38 | Thrain | What school do you frequent? |
| 17:58.04 | Flendor | Yildiz Technical University, in Istanbul |
| 17:58.11 | Thrain | !! |
| 17:58.22 | Flendor | Studying Mechanical Engineering, at 4th class...will finish at 6 or 7 years, hopefully. |
| 17:58.26 | Flendor | ?? |
| 17:58.53 | Thrain | Excuse me the ignorance, in Istanbul you speak Arabe, don't you? |
| 17:59.10 | Flendor | LOL |
| 17:59.15 | Flendor | Yes we do, and we ride on camels ;) |
| 17:59.21 | Thrain | :D |
| 17:59.34 | annma | ok gotta go, bbl |
| 17:59.36 | annma | bye all |
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| 17:59.48 | Flendor | Where do you hail from? |
| 17:59.48 | Thrain | But really... You speak Arabe? |
| 18:00.03 | Thrain | *do you |
| 18:00.09 | Thrain | I want to learn it |
| 18:00.12 | Flendor | No of course we don't! There IS such a thing as "Turkish" :P |
| 18:00.21 | Flendor | I don't know a word of Arabic |
| 18:00.23 | Thrain | Uh oh |
| 18:00.36 | Thrain | But Turkish is something similar to Arabic? |
| 18:00.47 | Flendor | No it isn't.. |
| 18:00.49 | Thrain | ok |
| 18:01.02 | Flendor | Its origins are from Middle Asia. |
| 18:01.02 | Thrain | Flendor: What does it mean "hail"? Excuse me... |
| 18:01.13 | Linux-addict | I have a very weird problem here |
| 18:01.19 | Linux-addict | I have an application |
| 18:01.22 | Flendor | Though we have, over time, borrowed words from Arabic, Farsi, and French. |
| 18:01.29 | Exis | addict: hm? |
| 18:01.32 | Linux-addict | if I start it from terminal/konsole it works fine |
| 18:01.35 | Thrain | Linux-addict: probably you didn't compile kde from sources not using emerge |
| 18:01.38 | Flendor | Er, "come from", "be born in". |
| 18:01.58 | Linux-addict | but by doing alt+f2 and enter the command, I only see the welcome screen then the program ended |
| 18:02.10 | Thrain | Flendor: ok |
| 18:02.14 | Thrain | Flendor: I'm Italian |
| 18:02.20 | Thrain | Flendor: Sardish |
| 18:02.26 | Linux-addict | Thrain: u didn't even listen to my problem |
| 18:02.28 | Linux-addict | lol |
| 18:02.34 | Flendor | I see. |
| 18:02.41 | Thrain | Linux-addict: but that is the jolly answer :D |
| 18:02.52 | Exis | maybe try putting a & at the end of the command line that you enter. |
| 18:03.08 | Thrain | Flendor: exactly, I'm born in Tempio Pausania and live in Calangianus :D |
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| 18:03.49 | Borg^Queen | there's a command dsmeg or something that |
| 18:03.52 | Borg^Queen | What is it? |
| 18:03.55 | Thrain | Borg^Queen: dmesg |
| 18:04.09 | Borg^Queen | thanks |
| 18:05.45 | Thrain | Now I've to go |
| 18:05.50 | Thrain | Bye |
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| 18:14.40 | lippel_ | hmm, how can i start a kde program in a specific language? temporarily, without changing global lang settings. |
| 18:14.57 | lippel_ | like "LANG=de someapp" |
| 18:16.03 | Linux-addict | damnit, my box is looking like windows |
| 18:18.03 | lippel_ | ah, KDE_LANG did the trick |
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| 18:24.38 | [-D7-] | hello |
| 18:25.50 | [-D7-] | I'm trying to burn with k3b , but I can't do it with mp3 files ... ·"Unsupported format" ..I'm using FC2 |
| 18:25.59 | [-D7-] | I've k3b-mp3 |
| 18:26.09 | [-D7-] | and libmad and id3lib |
| 18:26.49 | sredna | Lame? |
| 18:27.26 | [-D7-] | yes |
| 18:28.06 | [-D7-] | thanks |
| 18:28.09 | [-D7-] | bye |
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| 18:34.38 | hareldvd | korganizer: how do I make the "work week" start from Sunday (Yes, I am in Israel). |
| 18:37.54 | ironfroggy | hareldvd: interesting question. |
| 18:38.59 | lippel_ | any akregator user around using KDE 3.3? |
| 18:41.08 | hareldvd | ironfroggy: You know, Muslems, who are much bigger population have simmilar issue. They start on Saturday. |
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| 18:41.40 | Linux-addict | http://81.70.208.9/snapshot6.png |
| 18:41.57 | Linux-addict | how do I remove the ugly thing when mouse over over my system tray? |
| 18:42.14 | ironfroggy | well i found the option that should do what you need.. |
| 18:42.16 | PhilRod | hareldvd, ironfroggy: control center -> regional & a11y -> time & dates |
| 18:42.17 | ironfroggy | but it doesnt do it. |
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| 18:43.10 | ironfroggy | KOrganizer should change the work week based on the days you check off as work days in the options. that would be more flexable for everyone. |
| 18:43.23 | ironfroggy | maybe post a report for it. anyway, gotta go. |
| 18:43.40 | hareldvd | PhilRod: It is set to Sunday already. Should I reboot? |
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| 18:44.58 | Linux-addict | is posible to remove it? |
| 18:45.10 | PhilRod | no, you probably need to play with that korganizer setting that ironfroggy mentioned |
| 18:45.12 | sredna | Kde is painfully slow |
| 18:45.32 | sredna | Its the cache cleaner |
| 18:45.49 | sredna | I'm really close to delete that |
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| 18:46.07 | Linux-addict | sredna: do u know how to remove that ugly thing on my systemtray? |
| 18:46.07 | joss | anyone tried kdenlive? |
| 18:46.08 | hareldvd | PhilRod: I was jokeing, At most I would have to restart kde and I did that already. |
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| 18:47.11 | sredna | Linux-addict: I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 18:47.29 | hareldvd | sredna: Do you know if KDE or X11 should use shared memory? |
| 18:47.37 | rich_B | hey all |
| 18:48.49 | sredna | hareldvd: If it makes the system slower they probably do |
| 18:48.58 | sredna | :p |
| 18:50.28 | Flendor | Bon appetit. |
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| 18:50.57 | hareldvd | aredna: No: I think early X11 versions on Linux I think Slackware but maybe also RedHat used shared memory as apposed to sockets to communicate between the application and the X11 server and the window manager. I thought it was a good solution at the time. Do you know what they use now? |
| 18:51.15 | Linux-addict | sredna: echo "/home/jinxi/MilkMint" > /home/jinxi/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 18:51.17 | Linux-addict | ops |
| 18:51.23 | Linux-addict | sredna: http://81.70.208.9/snapshot6.png |
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| 18:55.41 | hareldvd | sredna: I wrote you a small question but misspelled your name so you probably missed it. Do you mind scrolling back 3-4 messages and tell me what you think? |
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| 19:01.56 | willwork4foo | lo folks. |
| 19:02.14 | sarah03 | hareldvd: It depends on what data is being transferred, and whether it's a local application or a remote application. |
| 19:02.33 | sarah03 | An X11 window manager isn't terribly different from any other X11 application. |
| 19:03.33 | hareldvd | Fine. In case of local applications, Would it be "faster" to have everything use shared memory? |
| 19:06.09 | sarah03 | Everything? Not really. You can't listen for events on shared memory terribly well. |
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| 19:09.26 | Marrs|vroc | in theory, shouldn't a MMU be able to do that? |
| 19:10.08 | sarah03 | Marrs|vroc: With what sort of overhead? |
| 19:10.28 | eisregen | where does kmail save mails ? |
| 19:10.54 | Marrs|vroc | I have no idea ;) |
| 19:11.10 | hareldvd | sarah03: So bottom line, Can you configure X11 to use shared memory? |
| 19:12.42 | sarah03 | hareldvd: Yes. Locally it does by default, for some things. Typically transfer of images and other such things. |
| 19:13.23 | sarah03 | It's not going to send an event to an application stating that I clicked mouse button 1 at [132, 254] via SHM, it's going to send that over a UNIX socket. |
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| 19:16.16 | hareldvd | sarah03: I also thoght shared memory is used by default for local applications but doing ipcs shows nothing. I was hoping I could try to configure my X11 and maybe improve performance a little. |
| 19:17.27 | sarah03 | That's probably because they don't have any use for shared memory regions at that moment; it's also likely that instead of using SHM and copying to X, the app is getting a direct handle into video card memory space. |
| 19:19.43 | hareldvd | sarah03: Direct access to video card? isn't that against all X11 rules ? |
| 19:20.26 | sarah03 | hareldvd: The handle is being passed back to libX11, which isn't ever revealing it to the application. If the app isn't local, libX11 isn't getting back said handle. |
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| 19:22.22 | sarah03 | At the very least, DGA and GLX in direct mode export the video card directly. |
| 19:22.33 | Flendor | Good night. |
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| 19:22.40 | sarah03 | And there are probably other extensions that do it too. |
| 19:23.15 | sean | is there a way to set the konsole TAB name using escape sequences? (like window title, but the tab -> where I currently see "Shell No. 2") |
| 19:23.30 | sarah03 | The DGA extension goes against the rules of X11 because anything which explicitly requires DGA won't work in a networked case. |
| 19:23.43 | hareldvd | sarah03: That is very cleaver then. |
| 19:25.17 | disc-q | where can i define a new schema for the konsole e.g. ? |
| 19:25.32 | hareldvd | sarah03: In what circumstances is DGA used? |
| 19:25.47 | sarah03 | hareldvd: Games. |
| 19:26.16 | sarah03 | OpenGL-pre-DRI also used DGA. |
| 19:27.13 | sarah03 | [At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it was done.] |
| 19:27.30 | sarah03 | Certain video players [mplayer comes to mind] can also use DGA as a drawing device for video frames. |
| 19:27.45 | NullAcht15 | Hi, the current CVS version of juk will reliably crash on startup here. What can I do about this? |
| 19:28.18 | hareldvd | sarah03: That was very interesting. Thanks. |
| 19:29.20 | sarah03 | :) |
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| 19:33.19 | disc-q | where can i define a new schema for the konsole e.g. ? |
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| 19:34.07 | Maneit | Hi! Does anyone have experience with seting up artsd as a sound-server for a client (playing sound from client and outputting on server)? |
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| 19:34.34 | sean | disc-q: Settings->Configure Konsole->Schema->Save Schema... |
| 19:35.09 | Maneit | Think I've got the server setup with "artsd -n -p 8080" and nmap says 8080 is open, so artsd is listening to it, but how do I setup the client? |
| 19:35.57 | disc-q | sean: in kcontrol? which point? i cant't find it |
| 19:36.08 | sean | in konsol |
| 19:36.10 | sean | e |
| 19:36.10 | sarah03 | disc-q: In Konsole. |
| 19:36.32 | sean | anyone know if it's even possible to set a konsole TAB name using escape sequences? |
| 19:38.29 | sredna | sean: I think do like setting the xterm title |
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| 19:39.17 | sean | sredna: yeah, I can set the window title.. I want to set the tab (so my hostnames are visible, for example) |
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| 19:39.47 | sarah03 | sean: The escape sequence is \033]30;Tab title\007. |
| 19:39.53 | sredna | sean: I have this in a sh funciton, $@ is the text to set in the title: echo -en "\033]0;$@\007" |
| 19:40.25 | sredna | Oh |
| 19:40.46 | sarah03 | [This taken from the Konsole source, kdebase/konsole/konsole/session.cpp in TESession::setUserTitle().] |
| 19:41.36 | sean | sarah03: awesome. thanks |
| 19:42.08 | sean | hmm.. seems to not work with screen? .. oh well |
| 19:42.44 | sarah03 | That's because 'screen' interprets escape sequences before they ever make it to the Konsole. |
| 19:44.39 | sean | right.. that's what I figured.. no big deal.. most of my sessions are screenless. thanks |
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| 19:52.16 | Tjozan | I get a compile error in kopete: icqcontact.cpp:208: error: 'class ICQUserInfoWidget' has no member named 'delayedDestruct' |
| 19:52.46 | sean | thanks again |
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| 19:53.59 | Tjozan | This line of code bails out:m_infoWidget->delayedDestruct(); |
| 19:57.06 | ArtyObs | destroy it |
| 19:57.31 | ArtyObs | ISIULDUR |
| 19:57.36 | ArtyObs | CAST IT INTO THE FIRE! |
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| 20:06.26 | dolphin | hmm |
| 20:06.58 | dolphin | is there something like splitterwindow in KDE api? (excuse me for a noobish question) |
| 20:07.24 | lippel_ | dolphin: QSplitter |
| 20:07.52 | lippel_ | if that is what you're looking for |
| 20:08.23 | dolphin | is that preferred to use when implementing resizeable (by dragging) views? |
| 20:08.34 | dolphin | s/views/layouts/ |
| 20:09.13 | dolphin | like kate and kdevelop do |
| 20:10.56 | chakie | dolphin: yes it does |
| 20:11.11 | dolphin | hmm |
| 20:11.19 | dolphin | I'd be intersted to know where, then |
| 20:11.21 | chakie | it's no widget, it's a layout |
| 20:11.25 | dolphin | btw, hi chakie, long time no see :) |
| 20:11.31 | chakie | up there next to the gridlayout |
| 20:11.49 | chakie | heh, have you been away from qt? |
| 20:12.14 | chakie | did you find 'em? |
| 20:12.39 | dolphin | gridlayout, next question is where's that :) |
| 20:12.53 | chakie | up under the menu bar |
| 20:13.27 | dolphin | you don't mean lay out verticall/horizontally, do you? |
| 20:13.28 | chakie | the gridlayout is the icon with a 3x3 matrix of blocks... |
| 20:13.37 | chakie | no, more to the right |
| 20:13.46 | dolphin | oh |
| 20:13.52 | dolphin | it's grayed out here :P |
| 20:13.57 | chakie | "Lay out horizontally (in Splitter)" |
| 20:14.03 | chakie | select two widgets first |
| 20:14.36 | dolphin | hmm |
| 20:14.43 | dolphin | have a strange feeling that I tried... |
| 20:15.06 | dolphin | ah, thx |
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| 20:15.27 | dolphin | btw, pretty poor that layout vert/horiz is not grayed out but those are (when nothing is selected) |
| 20:15.34 | dolphin | confuses one bit |
| 20:15.56 | chakie | a bit yeah |
| 20:16.07 | chakie | splitters are "special" layouts |
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| 20:16.19 | dolphin | yeah |
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| 20:17.05 | sarah03 | [And there it goes.] |
| 20:17.50 | dolphin | so, by now my xchat clone starts too look ok :) |
| 20:18.59 | infodroid | sarah03: what distro you using |
| 20:19.08 | lippel_ | dolphin: are you sure the world needs yet another irc client? ;-) |
| 20:19.24 | dolphin | yes :P |
| 20:19.42 | Marrs|vroc | it needs at least two more ;) |
| 20:19.43 | Blissex | dolphin: which X-Chat clone? Konversation? :-) |
| 20:19.45 | dolphin | world needs lua scripting + xchat like interface + kde integration (== DCOP too) |
| 20:20.00 | sarah03 | infodroid: Doesn't matter. The system started acting silly because right now, I need to move my cd burner from /dev/hdb to /dev/hdg. |
| 20:20.07 | dolphin | konversation / ksirc both were 100% unusable in my eyes... |
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| 20:20.16 | lippel_ | dolphin: add lua scripting to konversation :P |
| 20:20.33 | dolphin | they also have tabs |
| 20:20.37 | snugglemonkey | greetings party people. |
| 20:20.40 | infodroid | sarah03: if you use something like udev, then you will have symlinks like /dev/cdrw and /dev/cdrom etc |
| 20:20.47 | dolphin | (xchat uses buttongroups, that're more flexible) |
| 20:20.51 | lippel_ | dolphin: you want pure sdi? |
| 20:20.55 | dolphin | no |
| 20:21.09 | dolphin | I want my "tabs" to be aligned to right side of the view |
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| 20:21.45 | dolphin | I always hated KDevelop tab-mode, now with the file list plugin, it's almost anything I've wished |
| 20:21.59 | lippel_ | dolphin: that's the only difference? right aligned tabs instead of left aligned? |
| 20:22.24 | dolphin | right/left aligned too instead of top/bottom only |
| 20:22.24 | sarah03 | infodroid: You misunderstand. The cd burner is physically on the first IDE interface as a slave. It should be on the fourth IDE interface as a single drive. And that's a matter of me needing to move a cable. |
| 20:22.35 | lippel_ | dolphin: ah, you mean vertical? |
| 20:22.43 | dolphin | yeah |
| 20:23.11 | dolphin | oh well, I should've said oriented though :P |
| 20:23.19 | infodroid | sarah03: oh,so you are having ide cable troubles then... |
| 20:23.24 | sarah03 | infodroid: Which is something that can't be changed by changing the name of the device node. :) |
| 20:23.32 | dolphin | *orientated, my chatting is getting clumsy... |
| 20:23.44 | dolphin | code more, chat less :P |
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| 20:24.02 | lippel_ | dolphin: i am sure this could be integrated in konvi ;-) |
| 20:24.04 | infodroid | sarah03: yea i had to make sure not to have a cdrom on the same cable as an hd, otherwise it defaults to the slowest |
| 20:24.19 | infodroid | sarah03: don't know if that kind of thing is what you're doing |
| 20:24.25 | sarah03 | infodroid: *shrug* I'm not worried about it right now. It's only an issue when I burn CDs which isn't very often. |
| 20:24.36 | dolphin | lippel_: you konversation dev? :) |
| 20:24.39 | Blissex | infodroid: actually that almost never happens nowadays -- it used to happen a few years ago. |
| 20:25.02 | infodroid | sarah03: well watch out you are not getting any weird hd errors |
| 20:25.20 | sarah03 | I had tried installing Windows so that I could play NWN without major grief [OSS Radeon drivers weren't good. ATI's drivers weren't good. ATI has cleaned up their act somewhat.], but Windows was more of a pain in the ass than X. |
| 20:25.24 | lippel_ | dolphin: nope. i just prefer joined forces creating one good app instead of three unfinished alternatives. |
| 20:25.36 | dolphin | yeah... |
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| 20:26.10 | dolphin | annma, my favourite helpdesk! |
| 20:26.15 | sarah03 | In the meantime, the drivers for the secondary IDE interface on this motherboard [ide2/ide3 under linux], under Windows, see it as a SCSI adapter, not an IDE adapter. |
| 20:26.20 | dolphin | how has it been lately? |
| 20:26.33 | sarah03 | And refuse to see cdrom type devices. So I shuffled stuff around and haven't unshuffled it yet. |
| 20:26.37 | annma | hi! |
| 20:26.39 | annma | good, and you? |
| 20:26.45 | dolphin | o.k. |
| 20:26.50 | dolphin | can't say good :P |
| 20:27.17 | Blissex | sarah03: actually under Windows NT all ATA interfaces are part of the SCSI subsystem, but this is obsfuscated for the first two. And the Linux ATA subsystem in going the same way. |
| 20:27.57 | sarah03 | Blissex: *shrug* The driver for said interface refused to recognize cdrom drives. Need more be said? |
| 20:28.25 | sarah03 | It does make sense that it's all going to a SCSI-esque interface, because under the hood, most drives are starting to look more like SCSI devices anyway, regardless of how they're connected. |
| 20:30.25 | sarah03 | Bah. 'VFS: Cannot open root device "nfs" or unknown-block(0,255)' |
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| 20:34.54 | dolphin | implementing DCC as protocol to KDE wouldn't propably be bad idea |
| 20:35.10 | dolphin | and kpart for irc shouldn't hurt either, right? |
| 20:36.08 | ironfroggy | any real use for it? |
| 20:36.18 | dolphin | DCC? |
| 20:36.25 | ironfroggy | an IRC kpart |
| 20:36.36 | dolphin | that's what I'm asking for :) |
| 20:36.55 | dolphin | maybe not |
| 20:37.05 | ironfroggy | i cant think of any uses for it, aside from sharing code between ksirc, konversation, and kopete. |
| 20:37.32 | dolphin | kopete and irc clients can hardly share code |
| 20:37.44 | dolphin | because kopete got that strange abstraction model |
| 20:38.08 | dolphin | (it's good for IM, but IRC doesn't just match that model too well..) |
| 20:38.13 | sarah03 | There's no reason why kopete's IRC backend couldn't use the same backend that everything else does. It's just yet another abstraction layer. |
| 20:38.18 | infodroid | what code base does konversation use? is it similar to kirc? |
| 20:38.46 | sarah03 | [There are lots of reasons why it shouldn't, but that's another thing.] |
| 20:38.58 | dolphin | sarah03: indeed :P |
| 20:39.00 | annma | infodroid: code is totally separate |
| 20:39.58 | caio | one idea, would be nice to let users just drag items and drop them above someone nickname at the konversation window |
| 20:42.03 | dolphin | I'm really confused with Qt style layouting :) |
| 20:42.49 | dolphin | in wx there're just lovely expand/shrink and automagically resizing splitters |
| 20:42.52 | aseigo | dolphin: how so? |
| 20:43.10 | dolphin | how am I supposed to tell that my grid should expand to the window size? |
| 20:43.37 | dolphin | or can I implement that only in the source? |
| 20:45.04 | MrGrim | I'm not very experienced, but I think only in the source... how a window changes when it's resized can be very application specific |
| 20:45.29 | MrGrim | there's a high probability I am wrong |
| 20:45.35 | lippel_ | dolphin: just choose "layout in a grid" after placing widgets? |
| 20:45.55 | dolphin | lippel_: did that, but I want the grid that I just made to take up all the window space |
| 20:46.02 | MrGrim | lippel_: he knows how to create the grid, he wants to control what happens to it and the widgets inside it when the window is resized |
| 20:46.05 | dolphin | MrGrim seemed to answer me already, though |
| 20:46.06 | Blissex | dolphin: #kde-devel? :-) |
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| 20:46.45 | MrGrim | btw, widget... possibly the coolest computer term ever |
| 20:47.05 | dolphin | ah, could join there tomorrow for some constructive flam... err discussion... |
| 20:47.15 | dolphin | now I'll go sleeping :) |
| 20:47.46 | annma | good night, dolphin |
| 20:48.01 | dolphin | you too, annma |
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| 20:53.36 | aseigo | too bad dolphin left =/ |
| 20:53.47 | aseigo | the asnwer is easy: you create a layout in your top window =) |
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| 20:58.11 | reagleBRKLN | i use freemind, a java mindmapper, is there a way via dcop to get it to open a new file in the existing app, rather than create a new one? (probably not, an act of desperation since i don't know java) |
| 20:59.49 | infodroid | i don't think its possible. but you can try using the kde mindmapper. |
| 20:59.59 | Marrs|vroc | DCOP is CORBA? |
| 21:00.12 | Marrs|vroc | I know Java, but little about KDE ;) |
| 21:00.26 | infodroid | Marrs|vroc: DCOP does not implement CORBA |
| 21:00.36 | reagleBRKLN | ah, well, can java apps open file from the command line? |
| 21:00.38 | infodroid | Marrs|vroc: it does a similar thing but very differently |
| 21:00.58 | Marrs|vroc | ok |
| 21:01.02 | infodroid | reagleBRKLN: yes they can |
| 21:01.15 | reagleBRKLN | the shell script that invoke freemind always creates a new version |
| 21:01.16 | reagleBRKLN | java -cp ${full}/:${full}/lib/jython.jar:${full}/lib/freemind.jar freemind.main. |
| 21:01.47 | infodroid | reagleBRKLN: there is no such thing as making a java program open a file in the existing process |
| 21:01.55 | Marrs|vroc | you can engineer a java program to not open a new instance every time |
| 21:02.14 | infodroid | reagleBRKLN: no, then you would be running a server waiting for messages from the command line |
| 21:02.16 | Marrs|vroc | but if that's not implemented by freemind... |
| 21:02.22 | reagleBRKLN | oh, so it have to be a feature of the app, nothing i can do -- not knowing java |
| 21:02.35 | Marrs|vroc | ask the author :) |
| 21:03.03 | reagleBRKLN | have done -- and i only want that because it takes 9secs for the app to load: I love FM, but dislike java ... :( |
| 21:03.19 | reagleBRKLN | killer startup time once all the libs (i.e., xml) load |
| 21:03.20 | Marrs|vroc | reagle, what java version do you use? |
| 21:03.34 | infodroid | reagleBRKLN: i like java, i think freemind is messy but its the best free mindmap that i have tried |
| 21:03.50 | reagleBRKLN | i use sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 21:03.54 | Marrs|vroc | the latest versions can share parts of the VM and loaded classes |
| 21:03.57 | Marrs|vroc | ah |
| 21:04.02 | Marrs|vroc | it should already do that |
| 21:04.07 | reagleBRKLN | is that known to have slow startup? |
| 21:04.15 | Marrs|vroc | no |
| 21:04.32 | reagleBRKLN | (by 'killer' i mean bad: ~9s on a 2.4G machine!) |
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| 21:05.03 | meio | what do i need to do to get authentication support compiled into kio_smtp in HEAD? |
| 21:05.11 | reagleBRKLN | oh well, suppose i must keep suffering .... :), thanks gotta run |
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| 21:11.43 | Linux-addict | how do I install alot fonts? |
| 21:11.54 | Linux-addict | I have alot fonts. but I don't want to click on each of them |
| 21:12.04 | infodroid | what are alot fonts? |
| 21:12.20 | Linux-addict | a few thousands? |
| 21:12.34 | infodroid | you got a lot of fonts, you're saying |
| 21:12.50 | infodroid | i use xfs-xtt |
| 21:13.16 | Linux-addict | don't have it |
| 21:13.46 | Blissex | Linux-addict: that's an unbelievably dumb idea :-) |
| 21:13.58 | infodroid | Linux-addict: what distro are you using |
| 21:14.14 | Blissex | Linux-addict: however, the bad news is that installing lots of fonts, or even just one, under Linux can be amazingly hard. |
| 21:14.20 | Linux-addict | I'm using slackware |
| 21:14.31 | Linux-addict | Blissex: why is it so? |
| 21:14.35 | infodroid | Blissex: it doesn't have to be hard at all, depends on your distro |
| 21:14.36 | Blissex | Linux-addict: fortunately installing thousands is about as hard as installing one. |
| 21:14.37 | ironfroggy | yay for linux! isnt progress great? |
| 21:15.03 | Blissex | Linux-addict: infodroid: the main problem is that there are half a dozen incompatible font systems... |
| 21:15.39 | infodroid | Blissex: incompatible? |
| 21:15.41 | Blissex | Linux-addict: so to really install a font you need to install it in half a dozen different ways... |
| 21:16.06 | infodroid | Blissex: that is incorrect, sorry |
| 21:16.14 | Blissex | infodroid: each of those font systems has completely different configuration files, APIs, list of acceptable fonts, and so on. |
| 21:16.22 | infodroid | Blissex: it depends on how your font system is set up in your current distro |
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| 21:16.33 | Linux-addict | Blissex: nevermne then |
| 21:16.39 | Linux-addict | I don't really need it anyway |
| 21:16.41 | Linux-addict | for now |
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| 21:16.50 | Linux-addict | but I would install it for kde if needed |
| 21:17.23 | Blissex | Linux-addict: for GUI applications there are only about three different font systems, and the good news is that for KDE you can install just one. |
| 21:17.32 | Blissex | Linux-addict: and that is pretty easy... |
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| 21:17.54 | Blissex | Linux-addict: for GUI applications there are only about three different font systems, and the good news is that for KDE you can install just one. |
| 21:17.56 | Blissex | Linux-addict: and that is pretty easy... |
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| 21:18.34 | Blissex | Linux-addict: the one fontsystem you want to use is called FontConfig, and it is based on the idea of ''font directories'' |
| 21:18.40 | infodroid | Blissex: why should font systems be compatible anyway? choose one that suits you and install fonts how it expects them to be installed... |
| 21:18.53 | infodroid | Blissex: unless your distro has a preferred one, then you just follow the docs |
| 21:19.00 | Blissex | Linux-addict: so you create one or more directories, and put the font files in one. |
| 21:19.31 | Linux-addict | ok |
| 21:19.34 | Blissex | infodroid: the problem is that you usually need most or all of them. For example to print one usually needs to install a font in the GhostScript font system too... |
| 21:19.37 | Linux-addict | I have them all in one directory |
| 21:19.56 | Linux-addict | but don't have the command font-config |
| 21:20.03 | Blissex | Linux-addict: putting thousands of files all in one directory is not that cool, usually, but let's pass. |
| 21:20.18 | Blissex | Linux-addict: "FontConfig" is the name of a package, not a font. |
| 21:20.28 | infodroid | infodroid: thats rubbish, i had a great desktop before using xfs/xfs-xtt and i have a great desktop using xfs-xtt |
| 21:20.54 | infodroid | -> Blissex |
| 21:21.06 | Blissex | Linux-addict: so what you got to do now is to edit the file '/etc/fonts/local.conf' |
| 21:21.23 | infodroid | Blissex: this is for slackware, yes? |
| 21:21.35 | Blissex | Linux-addict: for all Linux systems more or less. |
| 21:22.22 | infodroid | Blissex: and you are sure he is using fontconfig? |
| 21:22.59 | Blissex | Linux-addict: in that file add towards the beginning, and there should be an example, a line like '<dir>/loc/share/font/ttf</dir>' where the directory path is actually the one where your fonts are. |
| 21:23.06 | Linux-addict | Blissex: I don't have that file |
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| 21:23.32 | Blissex | infodroid: pretty much sure. KDE usually relies on FontConfig (as well as the native X font system). |
| 21:24.05 | Blissex | Linux-addict: but you have a directory '/etc/fonts/' and a file called something like '/etc/fonts/fons.conf' in it? |
| 21:24.24 | infodroid | Linux-addict: if i were you i would just go to #slackware |
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| 21:25.05 | Sizaint | i updated kernels, and now sound does not play in kde like the kde startup sounds or kopete sounds, xmms and other dound sources work tho |
| 21:25.30 | Sizaint | o.0 |
| 21:25.51 | sarah03 | Swapping to /dev/loop0, which is bound to a file residing on an NFS server. |
| 21:26.13 | infodroid | Sizaint: there are some alsa issues with certain 2.6 kernels |
| 21:26.33 | Sizaint | 2.6.10-gentoo-r6 |
| 21:26.35 | infodroid | Sizaint: also, with certain versions of alsa |
| 21:27.09 | infodroid | ask the #gentoo people, there were similar problems in debian |
| 21:27.45 | Linux-addict | I'm gonna put all fonts in the fonts dir |
| 21:30.04 | infodroid | Linux-addict: why don't you find out how your font system works before you start messing with it? |
| 21:30.30 | Linux-addict | I just put them in that dir |
| 21:30.36 | Blissex | Linux-addict: which fonts dir? |
| 21:30.41 | Linux-addict | if I really need, I will install them all |
| 21:30.52 | Linux-addict | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.00 | Blissex | Linux-addict: naaa, thats naff. |
| 21:31.13 | Blissex | Linux-addict: dont do that, it has some complications/limitations. |
| 21:31.22 | Linux-addict | ops |
| 21:31.24 | Linux-addict | just did |
| 21:31.36 | Linux-addict | undo |
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| 21:31.41 | Blissex | Linux-addict: you should _never_ install anything under '/usr/' |
| 21:31.55 | Linux-addict | ?? |
| 21:31.57 | Blissex | Linux-addict: because the package manager handles all files under that. |
| 21:32.00 | Linux-addict | I install alot things under usr |
| 21:32.07 | Linux-addict | so? |
| 21:32.18 | Linux-addict | I don't use package management alot |
| 21:32.23 | Blissex | Linux-addict: if you install things manually, they should be installed under '/usr/local/' |
| 21:32.26 | Linux-addict | I mostly try to compile my programs |
| 21:32.56 | Blissex | Linux-addict: not using package management is a very very bad idea usually. just consider the issues with removing or updating stuff. |
| 21:33.16 | Linux-addict | Blissex: I don't think I will update stuff |
| 21:33.26 | Linux-addict | only my kernel and kde maybe |
| 21:33.38 | Linux-addict | apache and such only I will update |
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| 21:33.55 | Blissex | Linux-addict: I have written a nice explanation of whys etc. here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxWhyPackages.html |
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| 21:37.53 | *** topic/#kde is || KDE 3.3.2 and 3.4 Beta 2 are out - http://kde.org/announcements/announce-3.3.2.php || KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here =) || Don't flood the channel, use a paste service! http://rafb.net/paste/ || |
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| 21:39.00 | Blissex | Linux-addict: I have written a nice very incomplete intro to fonts underLinux here: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxFonts.html |
| 21:42.53 | Linux-addict | thanks |
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| 21:44.01 | FransE | hello all :) |
| 21:44.38 | annma | hi FransE |
| 21:44.43 | FransE | Hi annma |
| 21:45.12 | FransE | I know who you are.. but Benjamin.. he's icefox? :) |
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| 21:45.51 | annma | yes |
| 21:45.55 | annma | :) |
| 21:46.03 | annma | I also know who you are! |
| 21:46.14 | FransE | hehe :) |
| 21:47.32 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 21:47.38 | sredna | Hi FransE |
| 21:47.40 | annma | hi sredna |
| 21:47.45 | FransE | hello sredna :) |
| 21:47.50 | annma | I rechecked the templates download earlier |
| 21:47.52 | sredna | I admit it, I'm present |
| 21:47.58 | annma | it's all OK now, sredna |
| 21:48.03 | annma | good ork |
| 21:48.05 | sredna | annma: Great |
| 21:48.14 | ironfroggy | anyone have an idea why the news reader in Kontact says I have -6 unread messages? |
| 21:48.30 | FransE | sredna: Aha.. a Kate developer perhaps? :) |
| 21:48.36 | annma | ironfroggy: you intent to write 6 |
| 21:48.40 | FransE | (frans is on a serious learning tour) |
| 21:48.40 | sredna | annma: With my latest changes to katedocument, when using a template for a xml document, kate will even correctly select the filetype |
| 21:48.44 | Blissex | ironfroggy: it can read into the future... |
| 21:48.52 | annma | sredna: woow, cool |
| 21:48.57 | sredna | FransE: Yep, alund or Anders Lund or anders@alweb.dk |
| 21:49.22 | annma | FransE: sredna is the nicest developer on earth |
| 21:50.49 | gnumdk | any debian packager in the place? |
| 21:51.10 | FransE | annma: :)) |
| 21:51.49 | annma | gnumdk: you're more likely to find them in #debian-kde |
| 21:52.08 | gnumdk | oh :) |
| 21:52.20 | gnumdk | thanx :) |
| 21:57.33 | Blissex | gnumdk: ask in #debian-devel :-) |
| 21:59.16 | Linux-addict | phrag's monitor javascript:; |
| 21:59.17 | Linux-addict | ops |
| 21:59.24 | Linux-addict | http://slackwaregallery.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=7#body |
| 21:59.33 | Linux-addict | ops |
| 21:59.36 | Linux-addict | wrong channel |
| 22:00.54 | annma | is phrag still so nice? |
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| 22:07.35 | spanglesontoast | anyone know of a good partition manager for kde |
| 22:09.00 | annma | partition manager is not the desktop environment job |
| 22:09.09 | annma | your distro might have one |
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| 22:10.13 | spanglesontoast | yea |
| 22:10.17 | spanglesontoast | that's what I thought |
| 22:10.24 | spanglesontoast | one that comes with the installer |
| 22:10.35 | annma | what distro do you use? |
| 22:10.50 | Borg^Queen | `Ok network card question: Realtek820 1BL fast ethernet, will it work with Linux? |
| 22:11.00 | spanglesontoast | fedora |
| 22:11.18 | annma | fedora might have a partition tool |
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| 22:11.22 | sredna | annma: Why not have a graphical partition manager? |
| 22:11.27 | feistel | hi |
| 22:11.32 | annma | sredna: on KDE? |
| 22:11.46 | feistel | have noatun plugin for shoutcast? |
| 22:11.48 | sredna | annma: Kde-based, as any other GUI utility |
| 22:12.19 | sredna | feistel: Noatun can do a broadcast somehow, I just don't remember the details |
| 22:12.37 | sredna | feistel: For listening, just open the playlist with noatun |
| 22:12.49 | Borg^Queen | Yes no? Anyone? |
| 22:13.00 | annma | Borg^Queen: you might want to try google |
| 22:13.01 | sredna | Borg^Queen: Yes |
| 22:13.09 | sredna | I think so |
| 22:13.21 | annma | sredna: some distros have a GUI for partitioning |
| 22:13.27 | annma | Mandrake has a nice tool |
| 22:13.32 | sredna | I have a realtek card, thought I dont' remember which. But there are several realtek drivers |
| 22:13.33 | Borg^Queen | annma: I did google, about half the pages say yes, and other half say no. |
| 22:13.56 | Borg^Queen | For future referrence, I always google before asking in here. |
| 22:14.11 | annma | :> ok |
| 22:14.12 | sredna | annma: Yes, I remember using mandrakes utility. I see no reason not to have one in KDE (of course someone must code it) |
| 22:14.19 | Borg^Queen | sredna: thanks |
| 22:14.27 | spanglesontoast | lol |
| 22:14.46 | annma | I think it's not the desktop environment job |
| 22:14.52 | annma | but anything is possible |
| 22:15.03 | annma | it sucks too much anyway, too many risks |
| 22:16.10 | spanglesontoast | ok |
| 22:16.19 | spanglesontoast | you know of any good fdisk guide site? |
| 22:16.46 | FransE | spanglesontoast: cfdisk is easier, in case you're unfamiliar with partitioning |
| 22:16.52 | FransE | It can do all common stuff |
| 22:16.56 | spanglesontoast | yea I used that on damn small |
| 22:17.07 | spanglesontoast | do I download it from somewhere? |
| 22:20.47 | FransE | spanglesontoast: Google has an answer perhaps? Perhaps provided by your distro? Already installed? I think #linux is a better channel for those question. |
| 22:21.13 | spanglesontoast | kk |
| 22:22.23 | FransE | spanglesontoast: Dunno, I have no good answer, but #linux should be better :) |
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| 22:23.22 | sredna | Borg^Queen: Did you try launch a bow with that using a knoppix cd? |
| 22:23.53 | Borg^Queen | I don't have to, the systemboard CD is chuck full of Linux drivers |
| 22:24.05 | Borg^Queen | there are more nix drivers on the cd then win drivers |
| 22:24.26 | annma | my Realtech does not work in debian/knoppix |
| 22:24.36 | annma | however it works on mandrake |
| 22:24.48 | Borg^Queen | the box says "For Use With Linux (blah blah blah) and Windows 98x, 2000, XP, XP Pro" |
| 22:25.29 | Borg^Queen | Interesting, before they didn't even mention Linux. Now it's first on the box |
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| 22:28.56 | Borg^Queen | And bingo it works |
| 22:28.59 | Borg^Queen | Thank you |
| 22:29.00 | Borg^Queen | brb |
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| 22:33.10 | ThisBullet | how do ya get them lines on the clock on the taskbar. like its in a frame with little lines like almost brushed thanks |
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| 22:36.01 | annma | ThisBullet: LCD look |
| 22:36.04 | annma | in Settings |
| 22:36.19 | annma | I almost wrote: LSD look |
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| 22:43.01 | sredna | FransE: Could you join #kate and helpe dh_ iwth help about using xml schemas? |
| 22:43.55 | dh_ | :) |
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| 22:49.58 | PieD | @++ |
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| 23:00.16 | mdebruijne | can anyone here, using kde 3.3.92 (beta_2) and kmail 1.7.92 (3.4_beta2), tell me if they have the bounce mail feature in kmail? |
| 23:00.42 | mdebruijne | since I upgraded to 3.4_beta1 this feature is lost. |
| 23:01.00 | mdebruijne | 3.3.x worked fine. |
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| 23:04.31 | toomasr | is there anyway possible to mark messages read in kmail when using cached imap? the faq says that filters don't work and serverside filters should be used, but i can't mark an email read with procmail and i have understood that the mailclient should do that kind of tilly-tally. |
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| 23:07.26 | aseigo | toomasr: you mean automatically mark them as read if they, for instance, were marked as spam? |
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| 23:09.29 | toomasr | aseigo: exactly |
| 23:10.30 | aseigo | toomasr: i believe that client side filters for cached imap (or "disconnected imap", dimap) was only implemented in 3.4 |
| 23:11.00 | toomasr | oh, then i just have to wait |
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| 23:13.07 | toomasr | march 16 is the targeted release date, another month, maybe i'll just give the beta a try |
| 23:16.24 | Pupeno | I was told kiconedit can save .ico files for favicon.ico, but I can't find it on the file formats when 'saving as', how is it done ? |
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| 23:17.39 | sredna | Pupeno: I use a png on my website |
| 23:17.52 | Pupeno | sredna: is it named favicon.png ? |
| 23:18.05 | sredna | Yes, I think so |
| 23:18.16 | sredna | It works on konq and firefox |
| 23:18.27 | sredna | But I don't know (or care) about ie |
| 23:18.30 | Pupeno | sredna: how does the browser know it has to choose favicon.png over favicon.ico ? |
| 23:18.39 | Pupeno | I don't care about ie either. |
| 23:18.41 | chino | whats the name of the screen shot program ? |
| 23:20.09 | Pupeno | chino: hold on a second. |
| 23:20.21 | sredna | chino: Ksnapshot |
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| 23:20.45 | chino | lower case K |
| 23:20.48 | chino | thanks |
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| 23:21.03 | Pupeno | that! |
| 23:23.01 | sredna | My stupid capitalizer strikes again.. |
| 23:23.03 | Pupeno | I have http://sfreaders.com.ar/favicon.png, but it doesn't work on konqueror nor firefox. |
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| 23:23.42 | sredna | Maybe I could make it check if a word is a executable before capitalizing it |
| 23:23.52 | Pupeno | sredna: hehehe. |
| 23:24.12 | qfh | Pupeno: shouldn't it be facicon.ico? |
| 23:24.24 | tmorton | yeh |
| 23:24.32 | tmorton | You can convert using imagemagick |
| 23:24.35 | Pupeno | qfh: a png named favicon.ico ? are you sure about it ? |
| 23:24.41 | tmorton | convert favicon.png favicon.ico |
| 23:24.42 | qfh | no an .ico file |
| 23:26.00 | qfh | nice syntax :) |
| 23:26.04 | sredna | Mine is at http://www.alweb.dk/favicon.png - but it seems not to be responding right now :( |
| 23:26.46 | Pupeno | tmorton: konqueror doesn't seem to be able to show the result of your command. |
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| 23:27.48 | Pupeno | tmorton: http://sfreaders.com.ar/favicon.ico |
| 23:28.28 | tmorton | Pupeno: Hmm |
| 23:28.45 | qfh | http://sfreaders.com.ar/ does have an icon for me, now... |
| 23:29.08 | Pupeno | qfh: yes, but that's not my icon, it's Plone icons, well, that depends, what icon do you see ? |
| 23:29.13 | Pupeno | qfh: how does it look like ? |
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| 23:29.25 | Pupeno | qfh: I'm trying to put an icon that is the rocket of the logo. |
| 23:29.26 | qfh | three dots in a circle |
| 23:29.32 | qfh | ah |
| 23:30.28 | minahd | i'm having a problem with konqueror. it seems like everytime i open it indirectly (say from a link in an application or from doing a run command) it opens up 3 blank pages (in tabs) and then in the fourth tab it opens up my requested page. |
| 23:30.41 | minahd | i'm running 3.3.2 |
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| 23:31.43 | minahd | i finally got it to stop loading up the Related Documents toolbars, and i thought that might have been related to the problem, which hasn't as far as I can tell |
| 23:32.18 | qfh | minahd: what if you close all windows but one and save your view profile? |
| 23:32.32 | qfh | s/windows/tabs/ |
| 23:32.36 | minahd | qfh: i'm pretty sure i've done that, lemme try |
| 23:33.13 | minahd | if i run JUST konqueror from the run command it opens up google, kde themes and kde-look and some rikkus.info widget style tutorial page |
| 23:33.16 | minahd | i'm going to try as you suggest |
| 23:33.46 | aseigo | minahd: that's your profile. |
| 23:33.58 | aseigo | minahd: close those tabs.. go to about: ... then go Settings -> Save profile |
| 23:34.05 | aseigo | minahd: unlick the "save urls in profile" hit ok |
| 23:34.12 | minahd | ok, -that- did it |
| 23:35.48 | Pupeno | The favicon works now! http://sfreaders.com.ar/ |
| 23:35.49 | Pupeno | thanks! |
| 23:35.55 | minahd | aseigo is my hero |
| 23:36.01 | tmorton | Pupeno: What'd you do? |
| 23:36.10 | aseigo | minahd: np |
| 23:36.22 | Pupeno | tmorton: add the link tag in the header pointing to the png. |
| 23:36.32 | tmorton | Ahh :) |
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