| 00:00.10 | tyfle | startkde |
| 00:00.11 | apow | sredna: LOL i was talking about the pid stuff in dcop names |
| 00:00.14 | apow | hahahaha |
| 00:00.15 | RoNiS | _chavo: hum, but i prefer something global |
| 00:00.18 | sredna | Lol |
| 00:00.28 | _chavo | RoNiS, ah ok |
| 00:00.28 | canllaith | apow: I'd assume so you can distinguish between multiple instances? |
| 00:00.36 | sredna | apow: That should be easy to figure out ;) |
| 00:00.46 | lnxduk | tyfle: thanks |
| 00:01.35 | RoNiS | sredna: there isn't a servercmd there |
| 00:01.54 | sredna | apow: It's common to do something like 'dcop|grep konsole' to find the possible entries |
| 00:02.09 | lnxduk | how do I inform kde of my dual monitors? |
| 00:02.19 | sredna | RoNiS: Then maybe there is a reference to a Xserver script? |
| 00:02.32 | apow | canllaith: my guess, but suppose i have 2 konsoles, one in desktop 1, and the other in desktop 2. How would i access the one in desktop 2 for sure? |
| 00:02.32 | RoNiS | sredna: yes i have already seen that |
| 00:02.38 | apow | pids wouldnt help |
| 00:02.45 | sredna | RoNiS: Well, you can alter that then |
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| 00:02.52 | RoNiS | ok i'll try |
| 00:02.54 | RoNiS | thanks sredna ! |
| 00:03.12 | apow | or is there a way to know that via dcop queries as well? |
| 00:03.13 | RoNiS | let's try |
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| 00:22.30 | mBob | hi - can anybody tell me how to setup kde to use gstreamer? |
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| 00:22.55 | mBob | it was compiled with gstreamer support |
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| 00:34.47 | mBob | hi - can anybody tell me how to setup kde to not use arts - i want juk to use gstreamer |
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| 00:47.24 | jepel_tailweaver | mBob, I'm not sure if juk *can* use gstreamer |
| 00:47.30 | jepel_tailweaver | mBob, arts is what kde uses |
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| 00:51.09 | sarah03 | I'm pretty sure JuK can use gstreamer. I still fail to see what the big issue people have with aRts is, though. |
| 00:51.31 | slougi | i have three issues with arts |
| 00:51.41 | PaT- | sarah03, its trendy to hate aRTs |
| 00:51.48 | slougi | 1) latency no matter what, 2) CPU usage, 3) stability |
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| 00:53.57 | sarah03 | 1) For 90% of purposes, milliseconds of latency doesn't matter a damned bit; 2) negligible. 3) Yes, it has it's issues, but I really don't see it misbehaving all that often, and when it does misbehave, it's usually got a pretty decent reason to do so. |
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| 00:56.03 | slougi | 1) for games (via sdl) it does, but ok i give you that. 2) 7% of a 1200Mhz CPU to play an MP3? 3) Crashes when playing certain videos (especially MPGs and some MP3s) that e.g. mplayer via alsa plays fine |
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| 00:57.40 | sarah03 | I suppose, on a sidenote, I really don't notice the fact that aRts is even running all that much. Mostly because my sound card is capable of mixing multiple streams in hardware anyway. |
| 00:58.05 | slougi | yeah but many many people have no ahrdware mixing |
| 00:58.34 | slougi | also even with the alsa dmix plugin enabled, currently using arts disables it for some reason |
| 00:59.03 | sarah03 | I got this sound card years ago on the cheap. It's not like a card capable of true hardware mixing is that expensive anymore. But that's besides the point. |
| 00:59.22 | slougi | it's a fine soundserver for a desktop, no question about that, and it stays out of the way, but when you run for example ut or something, it is massively in the way |
| 00:59.44 | slougi | sarah03: true, but as you said besides the point |
| 01:00.59 | sarah03 | ... And for most games these days, anything outside of the bare essentials to run the game is in the way. |
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| 01:01.34 | slougi | sarah03: well, it's mostly sound that is the issue nowadays, whether that is due to esd or arts |
| 01:01.41 | slougi | it's the one thing that always seems to go wrong |
| 01:01.51 | slougi | at least here :) |
| 01:03.28 | sarah03 | *shrug* aRts does try doing too much for a sound server... but I have found such functionality [outside of just playing back audio] to come in handy occasionally. I'm probably in the minority on that one, though. |
| 01:03.29 | kilrae | kde takes too long to compile |
| 01:05.01 | slougi | sarah03: i have to admit i am not intimitely familiar with arts, but as far as kde goes it's one of the few pieces that regularly annoy me |
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| 01:14.18 | underlord | how do i get knotify to use an external app for sound, whats the syntax? |
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| 01:20.18 | Bearcat | hey folks |
| 01:20.44 | Bearcat | Can anyone help me rip files with K3b and flac? |
| 01:21.41 | underlord | im trying to set the external player in knotify to /usr/local/bin/ogg123 -d "alsa09" but it still isnt playing any sound, the same frm command line with one of the sounds im trying to play works perfectly |
| 01:21.52 | dwango | does KDE do any sort of auto-mounting USB storage devices? |
| 01:22.23 | underlord | dwango: not that i know of, thats usualy done by scripts that come with your distro or some other installable tools |
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| 01:23.00 | dwango | okay.. |
| 01:23.32 | Bearcat | underlord: i keep gettting an error 1 from k3g when trying to rip, but of course that tells me nothing. Are there error logs fro k3b somewhere? |
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| 01:24.20 | slougi | dwango: if you have 3.4 + hal, the devices will show up in media:/ when plugged in |
| 01:24.26 | slougi | no automounting though |
| 01:24.56 | underlord | im not sure, its probably the ripping tools its using erroring though, check man pages for cdparanoia and all that |
| 01:25.45 | dwango | slougi: I have 3.4, not sure about hal though. |
| 01:25.49 | dwango | What's hal? |
| 01:25.57 | slougi | hardware abstraction layer |
| 01:26.04 | slougi | you're running linux? |
| 01:26.10 | dwango | yes. |
| 01:26.14 | slougi | yeah |
| 01:26.19 | Bearcat | underlord: well of course the defautt flac setting works fine. I was trying to fix the fact that it does not write the genere or album title. |
| 01:26.24 | slougi | well i just installed hal + dbus and it worked |
| 01:26.34 | slougi | don't remember whether that was before or after kde though |
| 01:27.29 | underlord | Bearcat: i dont know much about k3b, and allmost never rip cd, wrong person to talk to about this |
| 01:27.37 | Bearcat | underlord: np |
| 01:27.53 | slougi | dwango: just checked, kdebase has a configure switch for hal |
| 01:28.06 | dwango | hmm |
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| 01:29.10 | dwango | ah, ... |
| 01:29.22 | dwango | looks like i'll have to rebuild then |
| 01:30.16 | dwango | just what i love =) |
| 01:31.19 | slougi | heh :) |
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| 01:35.07 | toyowheelin | hey all |
| 01:35.45 | toyowheelin | do any of you know how to apply the kde patch on kde-look.org that gives apps a shadow? |
| 01:38.03 | toyowheelin | anone here? |
| 01:38.48 | underlord | you could just install xorg, it can do shadows, but its slow |
| 01:38.59 | slougi | what patch |
| 01:39.15 | toyowheelin | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=15781 |
| 01:39.19 | toyowheelin | that patch |
| 01:40.02 | underlord | "it's an alternative to the programs using xcomposite extension, but it's kinda slower :/" that must be amazingly slow |
| 01:40.18 | slougi | underlord: i dunno, xorg was very slow when i had a radeon |
| 01:40.27 | slougi | it's very nice on my new geforce |
| 01:40.28 | toyowheelin | humm |
| 01:40.41 | underlord | i have a nvidia geforce 2, and its very very slow |
| 01:41.09 | slougi | underlord: using what driver? |
| 01:41.14 | underlord | official nvidia |
| 01:41.31 | toyowheelin | DRI enabled? |
| 01:41.44 | underlord | if i knew what that was i could answer |
| 01:41.50 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 01:41.53 | _chavo | underlord, I have a geforce4 and it's pretty snappy for me. Still a little buggy though. |
| 01:42.25 | toyowheelin | glxinfo |grep direct |
| 01:42.28 | toyowheelin | run that |
| 01:42.33 | toyowheelin | see what it says |
| 01:42.54 | underlord | in the modules section i have Load "dri" if thats what you mean (in /etx/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 01:42.58 | slougi | toyowheelin: nvidia doesn't use dri |
| 01:43.07 | toyowheelin | oh |
| 01:43.09 | toyowheelin | ok |
| 01:43.12 | slougi | underlord: you shouldn't for nvidia |
| 01:43.12 | toyowheelin | nevermind then |
| 01:43.13 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 01:43.18 | slougi | just load the glx module |
| 01:43.32 | slougi | toyowheelin: that patch has installation instructions bundled with it |
| 01:43.34 | slougi | rtfm |
| 01:43.53 | underlord | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:44.01 | toyowheelin | heh |
| 01:44.02 | underlord | interesting |
| 01:44.11 | slougi | hmm |
| 01:44.26 | slougi | look at the files in /proc/driver/nvidia/ |
| 01:44.43 | slougi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.59 | underlord | ls: agp cards version |
| 01:45.45 | slougi | try for example cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status |
| 01:46.01 | slougi | that should for starters say whether agp is enabled |
| 01:46.21 | slougi | well assuming your card actually is an agp model |
| 01:46.24 | underlord | Status: Enabled |
| 01:46.27 | underlord | yes it is |
| 01:46.29 | slougi | right |
| 01:46.39 | slougi | hmm |
| 01:46.42 | underlord | Fast Writes are off and sba is too, is that bad? |
| 01:46.47 | slougi | ls -l /dev/nvid* |
| 01:46.51 | slougi | no same here |
| 01:46.51 | underlord | and agp rate is 4x |
| 01:46.54 | slougi | not critical |
| 01:47.07 | underlord | could i improve it though? |
| 01:47.39 | slougi | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge will tell you whether your chipsets actually supports them |
| 01:47.46 | slougi | chipset* |
| 01:48.03 | underlord | both are supported by chipset |
| 01:48.19 | underlord | i wonder why they are off |
| 01:48.21 | slougi | you can turn them on in the X config file then |
| 01:48.34 | slougi | they default to being off iirc |
| 01:48.54 | slougi | yeah check whether you're loading the glx module |
| 01:49.14 | underlord | in Section "Module" i have Load "glx" |
| 01:49.22 | slougi | hmm |
| 01:49.31 | slougi | mind sending me your x config file? |
| 01:49.37 | slougi | just so i can have a look at it |
| 01:49.45 | underlord | ok, ddc, ftp to somewhere, or what? |
| 01:49.50 | slougi | try dcc |
| 01:49.52 | slougi | should work |
| 01:50.18 | chavo | slougi, do you have the composite extension enabled? |
| 01:50.34 | slougi | chavo: not right now, no |
| 01:50.45 | underlord | i have composite enabled, but i turned it off from within kde 3.4 after because it was so slow |
| 01:51.11 | slougi | ah |
| 01:51.30 | chavo | underlord, you're trying to load glx? |
| 01:51.33 | slougi | ok nvidia turns off glx when composite is on by default |
| 01:51.40 | underlord | oooooh |
| 01:51.42 | chavo | I think I got you two mized up there. |
| 01:51.53 | slougi | underlord: comment laoding glcore, dri and int10 in you x config |
| 01:51.55 | chavo | you can enable it though |
| 01:51.57 | slougi | loading* |
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| 01:52.04 | slougi | yes you can |
| 01:52.12 | slougi | one sec, i'll check the config option |
| 01:52.32 | underlord | ok, they are commented |
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| 01:52.49 | slougi | > Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "boolean" |
| 01:52.49 | slougi | > Enables GLX even when the Composite X extension is loaded. |
| 01:52.49 | slougi | > ENABLE AT YOUR OWN RISK. OpenGL applications will not |
| 01:52.49 | slougi | > display correctly in many circumstances with this setting |
| 01:52.50 | slougi | > enabled. Default: GLX is disabled when Composite is |
| 01:52.50 | slougi | > loaded. |
| 01:52.58 | toyowheelin | underlord, look at your Xorg.log? |
| 01:53.01 | slougi | that goes in the device section |
| 01:53.14 | slougi | assuming you want it :) |
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| 01:54.04 | underlord | ...i dont think i have an Xorg.log :| |
| 01:54.16 | apow | ls /var/log ? |
| 01:54.34 | underlord | ooh, Xorg.0.log |
| 01:54.38 | toyowheelin | underlord, you have to be root to view it |
| 01:55.04 | underlord | yeah, what am i looking for in this? |
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| 01:56.24 | toyowheelin | underlord, errors |
| 01:56.27 | slougi | underlord: nothing, if you comment the composite extension as well glx should then work |
| 01:56.39 | slougi | or use the above option to turn both on at the same time |
| 01:57.17 | underlord | ...ok, so now my card should be fast at not doing composite :P |
| 01:57.48 | slougi | ah |
| 01:57.55 | slougi | sorry got sidetracked there :P |
| 01:58.29 | slougi | do you have render acceleration enabled? |
| 01:58.37 | underlord | how would i know? |
| 01:58.58 | slougi | Option "RenderAccel" "true" in the device section |
| 01:59.10 | slougi | that was a rather big speedup for me in general |
| 01:59.26 | slougi | (that's the 2d xrender extension ;) |
| 01:59.28 | underlord | nope, i dont, as you would know having a copy of my config |
| 01:59.46 | underlord | in teh card device or monitor device? |
| 01:59.56 | slougi | underlord: right sorry |
| 02:00.02 | slougi | card device |
| 02:00.13 | slougi | it's kinda late here and my brain's not cooperating :) |
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| 02:00.50 | underlord | thats ok, you have probably sped my system up by 3 times, or else make my x server inoperable :P |
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| 02:01.07 | slougi | :P |
| 02:01.45 | toyowheelin | haha |
| 02:02.02 | underlord | got any other tips for me before i hit ctrl+alt+backspace and see if my system crashes? |
| 02:02.06 | toyowheelin | yeah I love how you can make or break the system really easy |
| 02:02.11 | slougi | underlord: give me a sec |
| 02:02.15 | underlord | ok |
| 02:02.33 | slougi | well you can still cut out fairly many modules from your list |
| 02:02.44 | underlord | such as? |
| 02:03.09 | slougi | well basically all you really need are glx and extmod |
| 02:03.32 | slougi | oh and freetype |
| 02:03.37 | underlord | yeah but what doesnt have a negative effect? |
| 02:04.01 | slougi | well they eat up at least half a meg of memory :P |
| 02:04.07 | slougi | and take up loading time! :P |
| 02:04.15 | slougi | but yeah leave those alone for now |
| 02:04.23 | underlord | ok, restart x? |
| 02:04.24 | E-werd | would anybody happen to know why my computer locks up some time after my screensaver kicks in? I am using the Euphoria screensaver |
| 02:04.50 | toyowheelin | humm do I need type1 and freetype? |
| 02:05.40 | slougi | if you use type1 or truetype core X fonts, yes |
| 02:05.43 | slougi | underlord: sure |
| 02:05.50 | toyowheelin | humm |
| 02:05.51 | toyowheelin | k |
| 02:06.05 | slougi | toyowheelin: not if you use them through Xft. |
| 02:06.06 | underlord | allrighty, be back soon - hopefully |
| 02:06.11 | slougi | hehe :) |
| 02:06.19 | toyowheelin | ... |
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| 02:07.16 | slougi | haw |
| 02:07.23 | underlord | yay, no crashes |
| 02:07.26 | slougi | heh :) |
| 02:07.31 | slougi | composite still slow? |
| 02:07.37 | underlord | i dont have it on |
| 02:07.40 | slougi | ah |
| 02:07.50 | underlord | i guess i should try it then |
| 02:07.54 | slougi | yep |
| 02:08.21 | toyowheelin | what do you try it with? |
| 02:08.34 | underlord | kde 3.4 |
| 02:08.51 | slougi | i'll brb myself |
| 02:08.53 | toyowheelin | I mean where is it enabled or disabled |
| 02:09.01 | toyowheelin | and what uses it |
| 02:10.07 | underlord | kdm can use it, with shadows and transparency in kde 3.4, needs to be enabled in xorg though, and theres other apps you can get for earler kde's and gnomes that can set transparency of windows too |
| 02:10.25 | toyowheelin | oh cool |
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| 02:11.39 | underlord | brb again... |
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| 02:13.05 | underlord | oops, once more... |
| 02:13.45 | slougi | heh |
| 02:13.46 | slougi | hmm |
| 02:13.56 | slougi | kde 3.4 composite support doesn't seem to work for me |
| 02:14.05 | slougi | just running xcompmgr -c -C -f -F |
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| 02:14.39 | underlord | wow, composite is quite fast now, this kicks ass |
| 02:14.48 | toyowheelin | No composite extension |
| 02:14.50 | toyowheelin | loo |
| 02:14.53 | toyowheelin | wups |
| 02:16.29 | slougi | underlord: :) |
| 02:16.40 | slougi | underlord: question on my part: i can't seem to get kde 3.4 composite support going, it just works for you? |
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| 02:17.46 | underlord | in the control center go to Desktop>Window Behavior, then Translucency and enable it after setting it up in xorg's config |
| 02:18.07 | slougi | yeah doesn't do anything here |
| 02:18.08 | slougi | weird |
| 02:18.13 | slougi | xcompmgr works fine though |
| 02:18.19 | slougi | and transset |
| 02:18.31 | underlord | maybe kde was compiled weirdly? |
| 02:18.44 | slougi | hmm |
| 02:18.48 | slougi | default gentoo ebuilds |
| 02:18.52 | slougi | don't know |
| 02:18.59 | slougi | ah well xcompgr is nice enough :) |
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| 02:20.02 | fyrfaktry | does KDE have a wifi connection tool? |
| 02:20.18 | fyrfaktry | like to show signal strength and connection speed? |
| 02:20.23 | thiago | kwifimanager |
| 02:20.23 | underlord | its so neat the way with the shadows and alpha its like light is shining on the active window |
| 02:20.52 | slougi | heh i want kde 3.4 composite manager :P |
| 02:20.57 | toyowheelin | slougi, 3.4 is ~M in gentoo I thought |
| 02:21.03 | slougi | yes |
| 02:21.08 | toyowheelin | humm |
| 02:21.10 | toyowheelin | ok |
| 02:21.19 | slougi | underlord: you've got glx going at the same time now too? |
| 02:21.26 | fyrfaktry | thiago: thanks so much. |
| 02:21.38 | underlord | i suppose i do |
| 02:21.48 | slougi | try glxgears or something |
| 02:21.57 | toyowheelin | glxinfo |
| 02:21.57 | underlord | everythings lovely and fast, and if i turn composite off its stunningly responsive |
| 02:22.12 | slougi | :) |
| 02:22.26 | slougi | see what a little X tweaking can do ;) |
| 02:22.39 | thiago | please note kompmgr and Composite are experimental |
| 02:22.42 | underlord | whats glxgears? |
| 02:22.50 | slougi | draws gears using glx |
| 02:22.54 | thiago | underlord: an application that counts the number of frames in GLX |
| 02:23.04 | slougi | thiago: i believe we're both aware of that |
| 02:23.24 | underlord | underlord@ubuntu:~ $ glxgears |
| 02:23.24 | underlord | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 02:23.24 | underlord | glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. |
| 02:23.37 | thiago | underlord: do you have GLX enabled? |
| 02:23.53 | underlord | do i need to put glx in the Extensions section aswell as the modules section? |
| 02:23.55 | kilrae | whooo kde utils |
| 02:24.02 | slougi | right, didn't add the Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" option |
| 02:24.03 | E-werd | does anybody know what these applets are in this screenshot: http://kde-apps.org/content/pre1/21375-1.jpg |
| 02:24.36 | slougi | the karamba thingies? |
| 02:24.55 | E-werd | uhh... if thats what they are =P |
| 02:25.00 | underlord | shit, i forgot to put that as true, i left it as "boolean", D'oh! |
| 02:25.02 | E-werd | the weather and system information |
| 02:25.03 | slougi | no idea then :P |
| 02:25.28 | slougi | yeah either karamba of gdesklets |
| 02:25.36 | E-werd | gdesklets in KDE? |
| 02:25.40 | slougi | guess karamba, since it's a kde shot |
| 02:25.43 | slougi | yeah why not |
| 02:26.01 | slougi | not like any of them are desktop specific |
| 02:26.03 | E-werd | is it possible? |
| 02:26.09 | E-werd | hm, i thought it was |
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| 02:27.03 | underlord | 847 fps! |
| 02:27.11 | toyowheelin | ouch |
| 02:27.26 | toyowheelin | no hw acceleration |
| 02:27.34 | underlord | thats low? |
| 02:27.38 | toyowheelin | yeah |
| 02:27.42 | underlord | :| |
| 02:27.50 | underlord | why isnt my hw helping :| |
| 02:28.10 | toyowheelin | may want to try opengl-update nvidia |
| 02:28.11 | slougi | no it's ok |
| 02:28.15 | underlord | maybe composite is hurting the results |
| 02:28.21 | slougi | toyowheelin: that's gentoo specific |
| 02:28.24 | toyowheelin | oh |
| 02:28.25 | tyfle | less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:28.26 | toyowheelin | hehe |
| 02:28.31 | slougi | underlord: you said you have a geforce 2? |
| 02:28.42 | underlord | i think so - is checking |
| 02:28.57 | slougi | if so it's an ok result |
| 02:29.36 | underlord | Model: GeForce2 MX/MX 400 |
| 02:29.39 | toyowheelin | 22521 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4504.200 FPS |
| 02:29.43 | toyowheelin | thats what I getr |
| 02:29.44 | underlord | 64 meg version |
| 02:30.03 | tyfle | do glxinfo and see if it sais direct rendering or dri at the top is enabled |
| 02:30.11 | underlord | toyowheelin: wow - are you pixar or something? |
| 02:30.21 | toyowheelin | lol no |
| 02:31.01 | slougi | toyowheelin: you have at least a geforce 4? |
| 02:31.10 | toyowheelin | ATI 9800 PRO |
| 02:31.14 | slougi | ah right |
| 02:31.24 | slougi | different class of card |
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| 02:31.29 | toyowheelin | yeah |
| 02:31.39 | toyowheelin | crappier |
| 02:31.40 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 02:31.43 | tyfle | my desktop (same card) scores about same |
| 02:31.45 | underlord | it crashed x, i did it again after restart and it worked though |
| 02:31.56 | tyfle | but this laptop with igp 340 gets only 6-700 |
| 02:32.05 | toyowheelin | eee |
| 02:32.20 | underlord | direct rendering is enabled |
| 02:32.33 | slougi | yep well there you go |
| 02:32.37 | slougi | well tuned X setup |
| 02:32.44 | underlord | oh |
| 02:32.54 | underlord | allright |
| 02:33.29 | underlord | now i need a new graphics card so composite doesnt look so... windows xp |
| 02:33.39 | toyowheelin | hahaha |
| 02:33.47 | toyowheelin | at least you have it |
| 02:34.19 | underlord | poor toyowheelin, no slow unneccisary visuals for him |
| 02:34.42 | toyowheelin | I like the slow uneccisary visuals |
| 02:34.52 | slougi | nice spelling |
| 02:34.52 | toyowheelin | thats why my KDE looks like OSX atm |
| 02:34.53 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 02:35.12 | underlord | in very good at spelling badly |
| 02:35.18 | toyowheelin | meah |
| 02:35.25 | slougi | wow :P |
| 02:35.59 | underlord | i shal leave translucency off, but i think i'll hang on to these shadows for a while, they look nice |
| 02:36.00 | toyowheelin | slougi, do you know how to get composite working on ATI??? :-D |
| 02:36.19 | slougi | toyowheelin: not how to get it working in a good manner |
| 02:36.25 | toyowheelin | oh |
| 02:36.28 | slougi | threw out my ati card two days ago |
| 02:36.32 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 02:36.34 | slougi | very thankful for that |
| 02:36.40 | slougi | driver support was crap |
| 02:36.59 | toyowheelin | :( |
| 02:37.06 | slougi | :P |
| 02:37.26 | slougi | well basically you can try just enabling the composite extension and seeing how it performs |
| 02:37.45 | toyowheelin | by doing Load "composite" |
| 02:37.47 | toyowheelin | ? |
| 02:37.49 | slougi | it used to be very slow for me though, and buggy |
| 02:37.50 | slougi | yeah |
| 02:38.40 | toyowheelin | ok here we go |
| 02:38.55 | toyowheelin | ready for some non working xorg |
| 02:38.57 | toyowheelin | lol |
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| 02:39.52 | toyowheelin | humm |
| 02:39.59 | toyowheelin | how do I test |
| 02:40.15 | slougi | do you have kde 3.4 installed? or xcompmgr? |
| 02:40.27 | toyowheelin | xcompmgr |
| 02:40.58 | slougi | well run for example xcompmgr -C -c -F -f |
| 02:41.14 | toyowheelin | No composite extension |
| 02:41.18 | toyowheelin | humm |
| 02:41.29 | slougi | well obviously yours is not enabled |
| 02:41.41 | toyowheelin | humm I tould it to load |
| 02:41.55 | slougi | > Section "Extensions" |
| 02:41.55 | slougi | > Option "Composite" "Enable" |
| 02:41.55 | slougi | > EndSection |
| 02:42.06 | slougi | you need that to enable it |
| 02:42.29 | toyowheelin | ahh |
| 02:42.39 | toyowheelin | I put it in the modules |
| 02:42.57 | underlord | whats better, kdes composite manager or xcompmgr? |
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| 02:44.46 | storyteller | Hello all |
| 02:44.50 | toyowheelin | ok I will try again |
| 02:45.12 | storyteller | Is there any way to change the background color of konquis sidebar? |
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| 02:45.52 | storyteller | I have a nice gentle monochrome grey theme with glaring white address bars and sidebar |
| 02:45.53 | toyowheelin | yay it works not |
| 02:45.55 | toyowheelin | *now |
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| 02:50.29 | storyteller | Sorry to spam folks, but I'm really hoping to learn this: |
| 02:50.31 | storyteller | Is there any way to change the background color of konquis sidebar? |
| 02:50.38 | storyteller | And address bar? |
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| 02:54.09 | slougi | storyteller: not only for konq i think |
| 02:54.31 | slougi | see control center -> appearance and themes -> colors |
| 02:54.34 | toyowheelin | yeah it dosent like to do DRI and composite |
| 02:54.53 | slougi | toyowheelin: hmm that used to work for me iirc |
| 02:55.54 | toyowheelin | slougi, well apperently I ether get hardware acceleration or I get really buggy shadow effects |
| 02:55.55 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 02:56.06 | toyowheelin | I will take HW acceleration |
| 02:56.08 | toyowheelin | hehe |
| 02:56.11 | slougi | heh |
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| 03:07.27 | storyteller | Thank you slougi |
| 03:07.38 | slougi | no problem |
| 03:07.44 | storyteller | I didn't see the dropdown menu |
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| 03:13.20 | JROCK2004 | how can I make an icon on the desktop to open my home directory? |
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| 03:14.22 | grepper | drag it from the menu or panel |
| 03:15.00 | JROCK2004 | ok I know that way I am just trying to learn, what is another way I could do it thanks |
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| 03:17.41 | JROCK2004 | the reason I ask is I want to make another folder that would point to a specific folder that is why |
| 03:18.47 | grepper | you should be able to add one with the desktop menu |
| 03:19.07 | JROCK2004 | could you walk me thru it? |
| 03:19.30 | dwango | Do I need kde-i18n if i'm building from source (and only plan to use English)? |
| 03:19.42 | chavo | dwango, no |
| 03:19.54 | dwango | thanks |
| 03:20.31 | grepper | JROCK2004: create->new->link to location |
| 03:21.16 | JROCK2004 | I right click and select create new then the next menu has some choices |
| 03:21.26 | JROCK2004 | folder file or device |
| 03:22.31 | JROCK2004 | so I highlight file and then click on link to application? |
| 03:22.42 | grepper | JROCK2004: create->new->file->link to location |
| 03:23.06 | JROCK2004 | ok |
| 03:23.44 | JROCK2004 | got it thanks |
| 03:23.46 | grepper | or again, drag the the specific folder to the desktop and choose link |
| 03:27.56 | storyteller | Or what I do: Take an existin *.desktop file and change the relevant fields...icon location and executable |
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| 03:33.24 | slayerbob | cos you need something to beat up ? |
| 03:33.25 | thiago | 7no |
| 03:34.06 | Dhraakellian | so that I can badmouth it with some legitimacy |
| 03:34.15 | slayerbob | heh |
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| 03:34.23 | slayerbob | why make a break from tradition ? |
| 03:34.43 | slayerbob | i tried that with kde and look where it got me :( |
| 03:34.51 | slayerbob | now i can't work my computer without it :( |
| 03:35.11 | thiago | that's because you tested *KDE* :) |
| 03:35.33 | slayerbob | thiago: the magic update pixies probably helped too :) |
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| 03:35.56 | Hjur | Hi, i have slackware 10.1 with kde, if i try to do "alt+f2" it not working, in gnome its working but not in kde, why? |
| 03:36.07 | slayerbob | define "working" |
| 03:36.16 | slayerbob | what do you expect alt+f2 to do ? |
| 03:36.20 | thiago | Hjur: is kdesktop running? |
| 03:36.24 | storyteller | I was wondering if it wuld be possible to use the glowing bottons from the Glow window decoration for konquis close tab button? |
| 03:36.31 | Hjur | thiago: yes |
| 03:36.38 | slayerbob | storyteller: yup |
| 03:36.39 | Hjur | slayerbob: open the "run" |
| 03:36.55 | slayerbob | oh wow |
| 03:36.57 | thiago | Hjur: check if your keyboard shortcuts have Alt+F2 assigned |
| 03:37.03 | storyteller | Is there a source of info you could pint me to on how to mangage that? |
| 03:37.06 | slayerbob | thanks Hjur :P |
| 03:37.13 | storyteller | point* |
| 03:37.14 | Hjur | thiago: how can i check that? |
| 03:37.14 | slayerbob | storyteller: that i do not know |
| 03:37.19 | storyteller | lol |
| 03:37.20 | Hjur | slayerbob: no prob |
| 03:37.21 | storyteller | Thank you |
| 03:37.23 | thiago | Hjur: in the KDE Control Centre |
| 03:37.49 | thiago | Hjur: Regional & Accessibility |
| 03:37.50 | Hjur | thiago: there is lots of option , what to choose? |
| 03:37.55 | Hjur | in what section is it? |
| 03:37.59 | Hjur | oh ok |
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| 03:38.49 | Dhraakellian | help comes in *pints*? |
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| 03:39.04 | thiago | Dhraakellian: when you ask for it in pubs, yeah |
| 03:39.06 | slayerbob | Dhraakellian: i see you have not been around the IT industry too long :) |
| 03:39.27 | Hjur | thiago: k working thanks |
| 03:39.28 | Dhraakellian | </obligatory LotR movie reference> |
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| 03:43.05 | [1ur1] | Can I istall Plastik Qt theme without installing KDE ??? |
| 03:43.36 | thiago | Plastik isn't a Qt theme |
| 03:43.38 | thiago | it's a KDE one |
| 03:45.02 | [1ur1] | doesn't it include a qt theme (look at "$ qtconfig") |
| 03:45.04 | [1ur1] | ??? |
| 03:46.03 | thiago | no |
| 03:46.08 | thiago | it's the same KDE theme |
| 03:46.18 | thiago | meaning Qt loads it, but it requires the KDE libraries to load |
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| 03:47.03 | [1ur1] | Ok... |
| 03:47.09 | thiago | so, you can install it, provided you also install the dependent libraries |
| 03:47.31 | [1ur1] | I got it... |
| 03:47.36 | [1ur1] | Thanks a Lot ! =) |
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| 03:49.06 | storyteller | Have to have kdelibs! Without Amarok...well.....it's like missing an arm! |
| 03:49.08 | Dhraakellian | meh... |
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| 03:49.24 | snugglemonkey | anyone ever had compiler seqfaults while compiling CVS head? I've never had it happen personally until now. Didn't know if it was something that happened from time to time, of if my computer is just beginning to die... :) |
| 03:49.29 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: heathen ;) |
| 03:49.50 | Dhraakellian | Alethes: better'n contaminating my package management system |
| 03:49.52 | grepper | snugglemonkey: in different places when you repeat it ? |
| 03:49.58 | Alethes | Dhraakellian: true :) |
| 03:50.07 | snugglemonkey | grepper: I'm checking that now. |
| 03:50.25 | Dhraakellian | and some legitimacy when insulting gnome can't be entirely bad |
| 03:50.25 | snugglemonkey | grepper: It happens about the same time, I'm going to check to see if it happens on the same line. |
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| 03:53.24 | slayerbob | anyone know the name of the rpm installer for slackware ? |
| 03:54.07 | madpenguin8 | is it normal to not have knotify if you compile kdelibs without-arts |
| 03:54.43 | grepper | slayerbob: rpm2tgz or somesuch ? |
| 03:56.15 | slayerbob | that sounds like the one :P |
| 03:56.21 | slayerbob | ty grepper |
| 03:56.30 | grepper | np |
| 03:56.59 | grepper | I won't say anything about rpm<tab> :P |
| 03:57.05 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:58.58 | Dhraakellian | okay, why does the fastest torrent download I've had in ages have to be a gnome liveCD? |
| 03:59.43 | slayerbob | Dhraakellian: people are trying to get rid of it as fast as possible :P |
| 03:59.48 | grepper | think "MacDonalds" |
| 03:59.57 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:00.06 | Dhraakellian | good explanations |
| 04:00.50 | eille-la | because bittorrent 4 is released |
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| 04:01.13 | Dhraakellian | is it actually a protocol change or just a change in the client? |
| 04:01.40 | thiago | just the client |
| 04:01.45 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 04:02.10 | thiago | same protocol |
| 04:02.12 | Dhraakellian | might be nice if Azureus was less crashy with gtk-qt |
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| 04:12.23 | storyteller | Anyone here good with konqi hacks? |
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| 04:16.52 | raf256 | hi there |
| 04:16.54 | raf256 | how can I save an KDEW session> |
| 04:17.03 | raf256 | an KDE session, best - from terminal |
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| 04:17.22 | Venson | raf256: should be saved by default usually...when you log out, you should be given an option, besides |
| 04:17.34 | Venson | if not, the control center can help configure that for you |
| 04:17.42 | grepper | dcop ksmserver default saveCurrentSession |
| 04:18.06 | storyteller | I'm using the Glow window decoration...can anyone give me an idea of how to make konqis close tab bottons glow like that? |
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| 04:18.44 | raf256 | Venson: but do not have such option... |
| 04:18.52 | Alethes | what do I need to see QMAKESPEC to when using qmake? |
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| 04:18.59 | Alethes | there's no man for qmake of course |
| 04:19.28 | grepper | storyteller: sure, get the source of both in front of you and go to work :) |
| 04:19.28 | kilrae | of course there is, you just have to use qman :P |
| 04:19.37 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:19.51 | Venson | raf256: KDE Control Center -> KDE Components -> Session Manager |
| 04:20.00 | storyteller | Hmmm...yeah.....I'll get right on that :/ |
| 04:20.23 | kilrae | kde has been compiling for over four hours |
| 04:20.44 | kilrae | i will go completely nuts if i made a mistake |
| 04:20.52 | grepper | storyteller: if you can't code, then keep an eye on kde-look.org for ugly hacks :) |
| 04:20.59 | storyteller | lol |
| 04:21.08 | storyteller | I want to learn to code.... |
| 04:21.20 | storyteller | I just don't know where to begin |
| 04:21.30 | storyteller | I need something hands on or I don't learn well |
| 04:21.48 | storyteller | I'm learning python by dissecting the game daimonin... |
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| 04:23.50 | kilrae | i'm going to learn python by writing a utopia attack calcutor for karamba |
| 04:23.58 | kilrae | calculator |
| 04:24.23 | Venson | aiieee karrrrammmbah! |
| 04:24.50 | Alethes | I'm learning vbscript and activex by learning trojans for kilrae's box |
| 04:25.05 | Alethes | by writing, rather |
| 04:25.17 | storyteller | is c the best code to learn? |
| 04:25.21 | storyteller | First that is? |
| 04:25.25 | kilrae | hah |
| 04:25.39 | Roey | aww, how cute |
| 04:25.57 | Roey | learning by reading trojans ;) |
| 04:26.02 | kilrae | although i'd have to be able to run activex and vbscript on this box |
| 04:26.45 | kilrae | ... |
| 04:27.00 | Venson | storyteller: learn whatever you're comfortable with. Would you rather learn English or Latin or Russian or w/e first? Answer is, it really doesn't matter as long as you can communicate. :) |
| 04:27.32 | Venson | it all gets churned into a soup of 1's and 0's...that's all it is in the end. |
| 04:27.33 | storyteller | They all do the same thing? |
| 04:27.37 | Venson | </philosophy> |
| 04:27.42 | Venson | storyteller: pretty much |
| 04:27.54 | Alethes | storyteller: if you're gonna do qt/kde stuff, you'll wanna do C++ probably |
| 04:27.55 | dwango | oops |
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| 04:28.07 | Alethes | or y'know, use a language that has qt bindings |
| 04:28.15 | storyteller | I was told that c++ takes too long to learn... |
| 04:28.16 | Alethes | :o |
| 04:28.20 | Venson | which is every popular language |
| 04:28.24 | Venson | storyteller: bull |
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| 04:29.19 | storyteller | I'm stuck in limbo...windows users usually don't know enough to teach me, and linux users usually expect me to know all this stuff I don't know... |
| 04:29.20 | storyteller | lol |
| 04:29.38 | Venson | storyteller: "all this" is...? |
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| 04:30.13 | storyteller | I've been told I shoud start with C, Python, and Bash scripting by different people who can't agree on much of anything.... |
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| 04:31.01 | storyteller | I know what a compiler is and such, I've been running linux for 2 1/2 years, but all I know is network admin stuff and office apps |
| 04:31.11 | jorgp | anyone else having problems with amarok 1.2.1 using gstreamer engine? |
| 04:31.34 | Venson | storyteller: well...programming isn't a must for admin tasks, but BASH can save you lots of time and effort |
| 04:31.52 | storyteller | I know how to compile stuff from source and very basic cvs commands, but I cant write a single line of code and don't understand how code is structured at all |
| 04:32.07 | Venson | storyteller: i'll say, start learning BASH. Spend a week on playing with it. That's all you really will need to know. Rest you'll learn as you use it |
| 04:32.18 | chavo | jorgp, works for me. |
| 04:32.41 | storyteller | Can you give me a link to some user friendly bash info? |
| 04:32.43 | Venson | storyteller: That will a) help you with your work b) give you some insight on programming/scripting to get you started |
| 04:32.52 | Venson | storyteller: sure... one moment |
| 04:33.14 | canllaith | storyteller: google for 'a beginners bash' |
| 04:33.24 | Venson | http://www.linuxcommand.org/index.php, storyteller |
| 04:33.26 | Venson | hey canllaith |
| 04:33.30 | canllaith | It starts with basic unix concepts and ends with simple shell scripting |
| 04:33.35 | Venson | canllaith: lurker! whatcha doin? |
| 04:33.35 | storyteller | I run archlinux and the folks in the irc are all WAY beyond me and laugh at me when I ask questions from time to time... |
| 04:33.42 | canllaith | Then, you could move onto the advanced bash scripting guide :) |
| 04:33.50 | Alethes | canllaith: make kdocker work for me |
| 04:33.55 | storyteller | Thank you all :) |
| 04:33.58 | Venson | tldp.org has bash stuff that's really good |
| 04:34.11 | Venson | storyteller: as long as you want to learn, there'll be plenty of help :) |
| 04:34.57 | joeKr | Is there a list of cell phones that are known to work with Kandy? |
| 04:35.00 | storyteller | That's why I first came to linux was to steepen my learning curve |
| 04:35.33 | storyteller | I ran Arklinux for 2 years and mandrake for a while, but I wanted to get a little more dirty-handed, so I switched to arch |
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| 04:36.17 | jorgp | chavo: I dont get any errors, just no sound |
| 04:36.34 | storyteller | Most of the people who really know linux well scoff at kde, so I've had trouble getting my questions answered... |
| 04:36.45 | chavo | hmm, it's working for me with any backend. |
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| 04:37.46 | python | hello |
| 04:38.04 | storyteller | The bash link you gave me looks right up my alley...thanks again :) |
| 04:38.24 | Venson | poor bob |
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| 04:38.53 | Venson | storyteller: it's a decent link yeah...whenever you've mastered the stuff in there, feel free to ask again (or better still, google!) |
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| 04:41.20 | kilrae | will it screw anything up if i compile kdebase last? |
| 04:42.14 | chavo | kilrae, yes |
| 04:42.29 | chavo | kdelibs then kdebase, then the rest |
| 04:42.36 | kilrae | damnit |
| 04:42.56 | kilrae | so other things won't compile? |
| 04:43.01 | chavo | save kdeaddons for last, if you do install it. |
| 04:43.05 | neom | What does kde use to change keyboard configuration? |
| 04:43.16 | chavo | kilrae, I'm not sure, I always follow the directions. |
| 04:43.48 | kilrae | well, we'll find out |
| 04:43.50 | kilrae | stupid script |
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| 05:13.33 | mattr | MrGrim: ping |
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| 05:31.19 | pestil | *sigh* |
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| 05:35.33 | Bearcat | anyone in here use kd3 to rip? |
| 05:35.42 | Bearcat | err, K3b? |
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| 05:46.25 | marcusU | I think I have, Bearcat |
| 05:46.32 | dwango | wow, media:/ is a lot more useful with HAL setup |
| 05:46.43 | marcusU | HAL? |
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| 05:47.59 | dwango | hardware abstraction layer |
| 05:48.33 | marcusU | Like for a video card, or what? |
| 05:48.51 | daimoni | for hotpluggable devices |
| 05:49.07 | dwango | no, when its running, devices like cdroms and usb-storage will show up in media:/ |
| 05:49.12 | dwango | and be browsable |
| 05:49.18 | marcusU | Okay. Cuz HAL has meaning in terms of some Matrox's video cards, too. |
| 05:49.59 | daimoni | dwango: throw me some urls to hal & how to enable it if you have.. |
| 05:50.29 | daimoni | dwango: or is it in kernel out-of-box? |
| 05:51.23 | dwango | don't know what the kernel requires |
| 05:51.37 | dwango | HAL runs a daemon, "hald" |
| 05:51.52 | daimoni | ah, so it's installed in your distro by default |
| 05:51.53 | dwango | and kdebase has to be built with HAL support |
| 05:52.06 | dwango | nope I just installed it |
| 05:52.16 | dwango | and rebuilt kdebase |
| 05:52.40 | dwango | this is all in kde3.4 |
| 05:52.43 | daimoni | oh, i have it seems |
| 05:52.44 | storyteller | I assume HAL is responsible for the "System" icon on my desktop? |
| 05:52.51 | daimoni | yes i have 3.4 too |
| 05:53.00 | dwango | storyteller, no |
| 05:53.07 | daimoni | media:// says malformed url for me :) |
| 05:53.15 | daimoni | prolly time to recompile kdebase... |
| 05:53.21 | storyteller | Hmmm...that just showed up today about the time I broke my machine... |
| 05:53.30 | storyteller | lol |
| 05:53.35 | dwango | daimoni: try "media:/" |
| 05:53.36 | dwango | one slash |
| 05:54.02 | storyteller | Or try system:/ |
| 05:54.13 | storyteller | That contains media:/ |
| 05:54.18 | daimoni | oh yeah :) |
| 05:54.36 | dwango | what does media:/ list for you? |
| 05:54.36 | daimoni | i started hald, no error messages whatsoever but i wonder if it works... |
| 05:54.57 | daimoni | cdrom, non-existing floppydrive, my partitions |
| 05:55.03 | dwango | i believe, before I enabled HAL, it simply listed what was in my /etc/ftab |
| 05:55.06 | Bearcat | marcusU: sorry, i didn;t see your reply |
| 05:55.15 | dwango | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.20 | daimoni | didn't compile kdebase with any hal options nor dunno if anything is enabled in kernel :) |
| 05:55.40 | Bearcat | marcusU: can you tell me what the contents of your arguments to the flac plug-in are? |
| 05:55.41 | dwango | i think you also need dbus installed |
| 05:55.47 | dwango | to use HAL with kde |
| 05:56.02 | daimoni | yep, prolly. well i'll drop this, no really need but would have been cool |
| 05:56.30 | dwango | yeah its cool, i plug in my usb pen drive and it pops up in media:/ |
| 05:57.15 | daimoni | i have it there, anyway because i have that in fstab :) |
| 05:57.38 | daimoni | dunno, seems mostly like coolness factor only to have icons show up dynamically instead of just clicking them to mount :) |
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| 05:58.21 | dwango | well, no, because I have a bunch of usb storage devices and don't want to have to modify fstab for each one |
| 05:58.55 | daimoni | i have none :) |
| 05:59.42 | daimoni | oh, goddamned, i do have dbus installed too... |
| 05:59.52 | daimoni | dropline seems to installed them :p |
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| 06:01.04 | marcusU | Bearcat: Maybe I just imaged it. I can't see to find the flac plugin. |
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| 06:02.42 | daimoni | shame i don't have any usb devices etc to test this |
| 06:02.53 | daimoni | dwango: so this thingy should now mount cd's automatically? |
| 06:03.02 | dwango | yep |
| 06:03.24 | dwango | does for me |
| 06:03.33 | daimoni | yeah works |
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| 06:04.07 | daimoni | cool |
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| 06:16.18 | Octane | is it possible to have the Composite Extension with fglrx? |
| 06:19.11 | storyteller | What is fglrx? |
| 06:19.22 | Octane | the ati drivers |
| 06:19.28 | storyteller | Ahhh... |
| 06:20.52 | storyteller | Sorry...I have no idea...I use nvidia :( |
| 06:20.58 | Octane | thats all good, thanks man |
| 06:22.07 | dwango | octane, nope |
| 06:22.16 | Octane | awwwwwwwww |
| 06:22.19 | dwango | not yet at least |
| 06:22.30 | Octane | dwango, well thanks for clarifying. its an fglrx issue or xorg issue |
| 06:22.52 | dwango | i'm pretty sure ati just needs to get its act together |
| 06:23.16 | Octane | yah, that'll happen... ;X |
| 06:23.32 | Octane | i gotta say though, id rather have these smooth graphics over composite any day |
| 06:23.42 | Octane | this totally beats the stock drivers |
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| 06:27.01 | Octane | wow, even bouncing cursors dont work with fglrx |
| 06:29.51 | Bearcat | can anyone help me rip with k3b? I can;t get this thing working. |
| 06:30.04 | Octane | whats the matter |
| 06:30.33 | Bearcat | well, I'm trying to rip usign flac. None of the parameters that i pass seem to work (even though they do at the command line) |
| 06:31.00 | Bearcat | it keps telling me that an error occured, but i have no idea how to determine what the problem is. |
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| 07:09.07 | storyteller | Has anyone here looked into Project looking Glass? |
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| 07:15.13 | neom | Anyone know how to change the image on the left hand side of the k menu bar? |
| 07:15.24 | neom | The one that says KDE 3.whatever. |
| 07:16.28 | fdv | Hi. I have problems building kdelibs 3.4.0-rc1, make exits with the message "No rule to make target `../../../arts/kde/libartskde.la', needed by `kfileaudiopreview.la'. Stop.", does anybody have any how to resolve this? |
| 07:19.20 | kendrick | neom: it's probably a PNG somewhere |
| 07:19.22 | kendrick | i'm SO helpful ;) |
| 07:19.33 | neom | Oh! |
| 07:19.38 | neom | I would have never guessed. :D |
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| 07:21.48 | neom | Although I just did locate .png and it didn't find much. |
| 07:21.58 | neom | oh nm |
| 07:22.06 | neom | I was looking in the wrong dir |
| 07:24.01 | storyteller | I know how to remove it, but that's the extent of my wisdom... |
| 07:24.02 | storyteller | lol |
| 07:25.26 | grepper | well, you wouldn't want to remove it necessarily |
| 07:25.53 | neom | I just want to change it. |
| 07:26.14 | grepper | what is its name ? |
| 07:26.20 | neom | How do you remote it though? I might be able to work out how it change it from that. |
| 07:26.30 | neom | grepper - That's what I'm trying to find out. :) |
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| 07:27.52 | grepper | neom: I mean you wouldn't even have to change it |
| 07:28.05 | neom | ? |
| 07:28.06 | storyteller | No....under configure panel > menus is a "Show side image" checkbox...not much help I'm afraid |
| 07:28.35 | grepper | just put your new png: $KDEHOME/share/apps/kicker/pics/kside.png |
| 07:29.17 | grepper | kside.png is the name - KDEHOME is usually ~/.kde |
| 07:31.36 | kendrick | burninated |
| 07:33.21 | grepper | also kside_tile.png |
| 07:35.23 | storyteller | I don't have a kicker dir under $KDEHOME/share/apps/ |
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| 07:36.20 | grepper | make one |
| 07:37.02 | grepper | mkdir -p /path_to/share/apps/kicker/pics |
| 07:40.05 | neom | hm |
| 07:40.09 | neom | I updated mine. |
| 07:40.13 | neom | Didn't change though. |
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| 07:42.13 | grepper | neom: dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 07:42.47 | neom | bingo. |
| 07:43.12 | neom | Thank you. |
| 07:43.26 | grepper | np |
| 07:43.36 | storyteller | Good learnings around here :) |
| 07:43.40 | kendrick | yeah |
| 07:43.49 | neom | Now I have to make say something cool and not just kubuntu. :\ |
| 07:43.57 | storyteller | lol |
| 07:44.04 | storyteller | I'm gimping as we speak |
| 07:44.06 | storyteller | lol |
| 07:44.18 | grepper | I like lipstick rather than the sidebar |
| 07:44.26 | neom | lipstick? |
| 07:44.37 | grepper | a style |
| 07:44.49 | neom | Got a screen shot? |
| 07:44.51 | grepper | gives shaded bar behind the menu icons |
| 07:44.55 | grepper | kde-look.org |
| 07:45.13 | grepper | sec |
| 07:46.22 | storyteller | I don't like the look of the screenshots, but I like the idea and see a lot of potential |
| 07:46.40 | storyteller | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18223 |
| 07:46.48 | grepper | http://phebehouse.dyndns.org/lipstick-menu.jpg |
| 07:46.50 | storyteller | There is the link to lipstick... |
| 07:46.52 | grepper | thats my menu |
| 07:47.37 | storyteller | I don't like the way it fits the panel though...kinda clumsy... |
| 07:48.00 | grepper | ? |
| 07:48.20 | storyteller | Where the menu meets the panel |
| 07:48.29 | grepper | you mean that it goes over the external taskbar ? |
| 07:48.50 | neom | Yah, the drop shadow there is a little strange. |
| 07:48.54 | neom | All in all looks quite nice though. |
| 07:49.00 | storyteller | no |
| 07:49.20 | storyteller | I mean that the left edge of the menu doesn't quite line up with the panel... |
| 07:49.38 | storyteller | Good potential though... |
| 07:50.37 | grepper | http://phebehouse.dyndns.org/lipstick.jpg |
| 07:50.42 | grepper | that's just configuration |
| 07:51.52 | underlord | is there a kde app that works like a lookupable database, that would be suitable for example, storing cooking recipys? |
| 07:52.07 | grepper | personally, I think the larger icons look much better, but that is not to do with the style |
| 07:52.55 | grepper | krecipes ? |
| 07:53.10 | kendrick | there's another one, too |
| 07:53.15 | grepper | http://krecipes.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:53.22 | kendrick | i just saw... had horrible-sounding "elephant stew" example in the sshot on kde-apps.org >:^P |
| 07:53.30 | grepper | heh |
| 07:53.39 | grepper | still needs some work |
| 07:53.44 | grepper | seems a little complicated |
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| 07:57.28 | neom | checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 07:57.31 | neom | yey~ |
| 07:57.32 | neom | ! |
| 07:57.49 | grepper | install the X devel package(s) |
| 07:58.50 | neom | Big. |
| 07:59.15 | slayerbob | :| |
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| 08:00.54 | storyteller | I notice that the sidebar png I have in /opt/kde/share/apps/kicker/pics is incomplete....its only about 2/3 of the picture...any idea where the rest is? |
| 08:00.55 | storyteller | lol |
| 08:01.13 | sredna | Hello :) |
| 08:01.14 | neom | It's the tile one. |
| 08:01.18 | neom | Is the top half. |
| 08:01.25 | grepper | kside_tile.png |
| 08:01.39 | storyteller | Thank you :_) |
| 08:01.43 | storyteller | :-) |
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| 08:03.46 | storyteller | You sure that isn't the menu seperator? It's awful small... |
| 08:04.30 | storyteller | And it isn't striped |
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| 08:08.04 | storyteller | Or is it stacked? |
| 08:08.13 | storyteller | That would suck |
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| 08:11.26 | mobtek | grr does anyone know what I have to add to package.keywords and package.mask to emerge kde-meta? |
| 08:11.53 | mobtek | bbiab |
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| 08:12.12 | neom | I installed lipstick and all my applications are gone. :( |
| 08:12.16 | storyteller | I managed to add my hostname to the menu sidebar, but not as far up as I had hoped...still looks good though |
| 08:12.24 | storyteller | Ouch |
| 08:12.30 | neom | And my kbar is about half and inch big. |
| 08:12.35 | neom | :\ |
| 08:12.44 | storyteller | Holy damn batman |
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| 08:16.02 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 08:17.08 | neom | grepper - How do I remove this thing? :\ |
| 08:17.19 | storyteller | Hello Enforcer_JB |
| 08:17.42 | Enforcer_JB | hey :) |
| 08:17.56 | Enforcer_JB | anybody running the KDE 3.4rc1 RPMs for SuSE 9.2? I think they corrupt the Openoffice packages (the KDE integration) |
| 08:18.14 | Enforcer_JB | meaning, OOo's file dialogs keep crashing as soon as they appear |
| 08:19.53 | storyteller | I use archlinux with kde-3.4 |
| 08:20.01 | storyteller | Haven't tried OOo |
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| 08:36.00 | neom | Anyone know how to remove lipstik? |
| 08:36.30 | storyteller | Make uninstall? |
| 08:36.34 | sredna | I don't even know what lipstick is... |
| 08:36.59 | storyteller | It's pigment to make ones lips more attractive |
| 08:37.26 | storyteller | Sorry...I had to.... |
| 08:37.33 | neom | I did that, but my menu bar still has nothing on it. :| |
| 08:38.00 | storyteller | Try kmenuedit? |
| 08:38.25 | neom | kmenuedit: WARNING: Could not read /home/neom/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 08:38.25 | neom | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 75, expecting version 79 or higher. |
| 08:38.26 | neom | kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Outdated database found |
| 08:38.41 | storyteller | Whoa! |
| 08:38.51 | neom | ya.. |
| 08:39.07 | neom | Same with kcontolr |
| 08:39.09 | neom | *control |
| 08:39.14 | neom | or anything else for that matter. |
| 08:39.20 | storyteller | Shite man... |
| 08:42.17 | neom | Well this is cool. |
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| 08:50.31 | rabauke | can somebody confirm that the progress bar when copying files to a ftp-server stops at 50% when all files are done? |
| 08:52.25 | storyteller | Can anyone tell me where the oings that are displayed when hovering the mouse over the k menu button and such? |
| 08:52.31 | storyteller | Pngs* |
| 08:53.20 | storyteller | Can anyone tell me where the pngs are that are displayed when hovering the mouse over the k menu button and such? |
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| 09:23.32 | gregday | there's nothing like a new GNOME release to make me appreciate KDE |
| 09:23.36 | gregday | </flamebait> |
| 09:26.53 | neom | Well, I can say their new splash screen is really really ugly. |
| 09:27.28 | sredna | storyteller: They are generated dynamically, based on your icon highlight settings |
| 09:27.40 | storyteller | Damn |
| 09:27.42 | storyteller | Thank you |
| 09:28.08 | storyteller | Guess I'd better do some r3ading |
| 09:28.25 | gregday | did... did you just make leetspeak out of "reading"? |
| 09:28.40 | storyteller | Unintentionally |
| 09:28.44 | storyteller | lol |
| 09:28.53 | gregday | ok, the 3 and E are near each other |
| 09:28.56 | gregday | fair enough mistake |
| 09:29.00 | storyteller | lmao |
| 09:29.12 | gregday | it seemed like an odd way to go hax0r |
| 09:29.31 | gregday | like "hey guys today i bought a bottle of /\/\1lK" |
| 09:30.21 | storyteller | lmao |
| 09:31.18 | neom | lol |
| 09:32.05 | gregday | http://seraphim.ecsis.net/~gregday/desk.jpg |
| 09:33.00 | storyteller | logitech mx700...good choice |
| 09:33.14 | gregday | you can spot that |
| 09:33.16 | gregday | geek :) |
| 09:33.29 | storyteller | lol |
| 09:33.48 | gregday | i was trying to decide between it and the MX1000 and i couldn't justify $20 more for a laser |
| 09:34.15 | storyteller | I understand |
| 09:34.42 | neom | Someone needs a kvm. :) |
| 09:34.53 | gregday | neom: actually the monitor has built in switching |
| 09:34.59 | neom | oh |
| 09:35.01 | gregday | neom: i have the linux box on vga, and the mac on dvi |
| 09:35.05 | gregday | at the same time |
| 09:35.07 | neom | Well, don't I feel stupid. :) |
| 09:35.11 | gregday | the first button on the front switches |
| 09:35.20 | gregday | although i do need to do something about the 2 mice/kbds |
| 09:40.17 | gregday | wow this is neat |
| 09:40.24 | gregday | There are two tiny facts about GIF files and ZIP files you might like to know about : GIF files have their length defined at the start of the file; any bytes after are ignored. ZIP files have a table at the end; anything at the start of the file is ignored. The result is that a file can be both a GIF and a ZIP, just change the extension. |
| 09:55.49 | SomeStrangeGuy | I am having a problem with konqueror as a filemanager, it does not keep any changes I make to the hotkey-settings. I am trying to configure the F5-F8 keys as in mc, but after each konquerer restart they are back to their default values. Does anyone know how this could be permanently changed? |
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| 10:03.24 | storyteller | SomeStrangeGuy: Havy you tried setting the hotkeys throu kcontrol? Is that where you are setting them? |
| 10:04.10 | SomeStrangeGuy | i used Settings -> configure konqueror in the konquerer menu |
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| 10:05.54 | SomeStrangeGuy | erm, sorry Settings -> Configure Shortcuts of course |
| 10:06.25 | SomeStrangeGuy | does it make a difference how i access that configuration page? |
| 10:08.58 | storyteller | Perhaps you might find a way with kcontrol > region and accessability > khotkeys |
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| 10:12.40 | sredna | SomeStrangeGuy: Make sure you have write access to ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc |
| 10:13.39 | SomeStrangeGuy | that file looks good |
| 10:13.47 | SomeStrangeGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.54 | SomeStrangeGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.00 | SomeStrangeGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.04 | SomeStrangeGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.08 | SomeStrangeGuy | ... |
| 10:14.10 | SomeStrangeGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.14 | SomeStrangeGuy | as i want it |
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| 10:15.51 | storyteller | Is there any way to configure the behavior of konqis photobook feature? |
| 10:16.21 | storyteller | To make it change pictures with scrolling like kuickshow? |
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| 10:18.12 | shastry | hi all |
| 10:18.15 | shastry | is there anyway to make kde show the reboot and shutdown options when not using kdm ? |
| 10:18.55 | sredna | No |
| 10:19.11 | marcusU | kdm is able to reboot and shutdown because it runs as root, I would imagine. |
| 10:19.57 | shastry | but why cant we just have them in the menu if /sbin/halt is suid ? |
| 10:20.38 | grepper | shastry: I think that is planned |
| 10:21.09 | shastry | grepper, for 4.0 or 3.4 ? |
| 10:21.10 | sredna | storyteller: The built in image viewer is very simplistic. If you want a more advanced viewer in konqueror you could install gwenview |
| 10:22.20 | grepper | or maybe not |
| 10:22.40 | grepper | I thought I read it somewhere on developer.k.o |
| 10:23.21 | shastry | k |
| 10:24.57 | sredna | shastry: You can add them to the K menu using kmenuedit |
| 10:26.06 | sredna | Just use a command that calls dcop to log out and then halts |
| 10:26.06 | shastry | sredna, not kmenu |
| 10:26.13 | shastry | sredna, i want it in the logout box |
| 10:26.26 | shastry | sredna, currently i just run poweroff |
| 10:27.10 | sredna | I don't think that is possible currently |
| 10:30.02 | shastry | k |
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| 10:32.51 | panzar | in using kde-3.3, but when i try to emerge kppp the only available version is kppp-3.4. |
| 10:33.26 | panzar | and i guess kppp-3.4 needs kdelib-3.4. |
| 10:33.37 | marcusU | AMD's Turion logo looks HOT: |
| 10:33.41 | marcusU | http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/cpu/amd/turion64/logo.gif |
| 10:33.43 | panzar | is it possible to have both kdelib-3.3 and kdelib 3.4 installed? |
| 10:34.14 | marcusU | Technically. |
| 10:34.32 | sredna | panzar: Yes, but you wouldn't want that just for kppp. Kppp is part of the kdenetwork module, you'd install that |
| 10:34.53 | panzar | oh, really. |
| 10:34.55 | marcusU | panzar: Even if you get both running, you might have problems with corrupted settings. |
| 10:35.01 | panzar | ok. |
| 10:35.39 | marcusU | You, know, you have certain setting in KPerfectApp 3.3, and then you run KPerfectApp 3.4, and it changes your settings to something that won't be backward compatible with the 3.3 pversion. |
| 10:35.53 | panzar | i see |
| 10:35.57 | panzar | thanks for the info |
| 10:36.03 | marcusU | Sure |
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| 10:37.40 | eazel7 | hi there |
| 10:37.45 | marcusU | hi eazel7 |
| 10:38.11 | eazel7 | don't you know when will kdevelop 3.2 to be released? |
| 10:38.13 | sredna | To run a kde app from a different version, it is a good idea to keep separate KDEHOME directories. But loading one kde 3.4 app in a kde 3.3 session would load quite a bit of kdelibs from the other kde version. Really not a good advice I guess. |
| 10:38.28 | eazel7 | don't you know when kdevelop 3.2 will be released? |
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| 10:39.53 | storyteller | Sredna: You can itegrate gwenview into konqi? |
| 10:40.00 | storyteller | Integrate* |
| 10:40.22 | sredna | storyteller: Yes, simply select it's KPart as the part for embedding image mimetypes |
| 10:40.40 | storyteller | I still don't understand kparts |
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| 10:40.56 | sredna | storyteller: You can dip your toes by using view->mode to try it out |
| 10:41.13 | storyteller | I mean if I did install gwenview it would remain in the konqi window and not open a new window? |
| 10:41.32 | sredna | eazel7: Try the website, or the #kdevelop channel for a better chance ;) |
| 10:41.50 | eazel7 | I didn't know there was one ;) thanks! |
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| 10:42.58 | sredna | storyteller: Yes |
| 10:43.18 | storyteller | Thanks :) |
| 10:43.43 | storyteller | Cool...my distro supplies it :) |
| 10:44.01 | sredna | Hm, I didn't actually discover the 'photobook' view before |
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| 10:44.29 | sredna | I wonder which app provides that |
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| 10:45.59 | storyteller | I believe that's in kde addons or some such |
| 10:46.12 | sredna | Kview.. |
| 10:46.23 | storyteller | I just did pacman -S kde and it installed all the rlevent packages |
| 10:47.12 | sredna | storyteller: Which distro is that? |
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| 10:48.15 | storyteller | Archlinux |
| 10:49.06 | sredna | Ok |
| 10:49.09 | sonoud | Can anyone tell me why this can't shutdown my computer? only logout run? |
| 10:49.10 | sonoud | `dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface logout` |
| 10:49.10 | sonoud | sleep 2m |
| 10:49.10 | sonoud | `sudo shutdown -h now` |
| 10:49.38 | sredna | Hm, konqueror should save the preferred view mode if 'view properties stored in directory' is enabled |
| 10:50.02 | storyteller | I tried view > view mode > gwenview browser mode, and it didn't keep the configuration that I set in gwenview...If I change the mime type will it still not carry over in konqi? |
| 10:50.07 | sredna | sonoud: The logout kills the process that runs your script? |
| 10:51.14 | sonoud | sredna, no, it doesn't. i run it at root. so it still run after i logout. but the weird thing is after 2 minutes, my computer doesn't shutdown. that script gone. |
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| 10:52.41 | storyteller | I would like to see kuickshow integrated into konqi in the way that gwenview did... |
| 10:53.43 | storyteller | Ah well....I got my root prompt to say w00t!@localhost...I guess that's enough accomplishment for one day... |
| 10:53.56 | storyteller | lol |
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| 10:55.19 | sonoud | is that possible to logout and shutdown by using kde commands with some options? (btw i don't want to set the session manager to shutdown computer by default) |
| 10:55.23 | sredna | Hm, I find it a bit odd. Gwenview moves to the next image when space is pressed, but sometimes it goes back to the default viewer :S |
| 10:57.40 | sonoud | test\ntest |
| 10:58.11 | sonoud | test \n test |
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| 11:21.41 | mobtek | anyone here using gentoo know how to emerge 3.4.0-rc1? |
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| 11:26.11 | dolphin | somebody could update ksysguard |
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| 12:03.48 | sredna | Yay, korganizer is nice :) |
| 12:04.00 | daimoni | indeed. it's lifesafer at work |
| 12:05.09 | storyteller | Mobtek: See if this helps: |
| 12:05.12 | storyteller | http://forums.gentoo.org/search.php?search_terms=all&show_results=topics&search_keywords=kdenetwork-meta&mode=results |
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| 12:10.44 | mobtek | thanks storyteller |
| 12:12.22 | storyteller | Did that help? |
| 12:12.25 | storyteller | np |
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| 12:14.33 | mobtek | yes indeed storyteller that was the post I couldn't find again hehehehe |
| 12:15.20 | storyteller | Glad I could be of help for once :-D |
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| 12:16.31 | mobtek | heheheh |
| 12:17.49 | mobtek | storyteller: do I then go upgrading? just emerge kde-meta? |
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| 12:17.58 | storyteller | night all |
| 12:18.04 | mobtek | night |
| 12:18.32 | story|away | Sorry mobtek, I use pacman on archlinux |
| 12:18.43 | story|away | Never used gentoo |
| 12:19.29 | story|away | Never had the patience lol |
| 12:21.30 | slackd00d | mobtek: what did you need help with? |
| 12:21.59 | mobtek | think I got is slackd00d |
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| 12:22.24 | mobtek | I'll just emerge -v kde-meta then eventually emerge -C the monolithic ebuilds :) |
| 12:23.12 | slackd00d | ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge =kde-base/kde-3.4.0_rc1 or something like that' |
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| 12:23.40 | mobtek | hehe thats the lazy way :) |
| 12:23.58 | slackd00d | or emerge porthole and use that to pick what slot you want to use |
| 12:24.02 | slackd00d | = ) |
| 12:24.05 | mobtek | kekek ta |
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| 12:36.57 | memyself | vmware? |
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| 13:37.53 | memyself | workz well |
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| 14:14.32 | skimmy | /dev/dsp no such device, but it exist really |
| 14:15.00 | skimmy | device: /dev/dsp can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) |
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| 14:19.44 | annma | skimmy: distro? |
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| 14:28.36 | sredna | skimmy: What is the file? |
| 14:29.24 | sredna | skimmy: And is the device rw by you? |
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| 15:04.22 | skimmy | on debian, the file(s) are /dev/dsp*. cause i have 3 dsp (sblive, webcam, bttv) |
| 15:05.23 | skimmy | The file are rw for all, but since udev seems to broke something |
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| 15:13.32 | praseodymium | I got a problem starting KDE |
| 15:13.39 | praseodymium | xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 15:13.39 | praseodymium | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 15:13.42 | praseodymium | and then some more |
| 15:14.15 | mart_k | praseodymium: How do you start KDE? |
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| 15:14.46 | praseodymium | using startkde |
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| 15:15.09 | praseodymium | using KDM also fails, then I just get returned to the login screen after a few seconds |
| 15:15.27 | mart_k | praseodymium: You can try "startx /path/to/startkde". |
| 15:16.59 | praseodymium | mart_k: works |
| 15:17.06 | PhilRod | praseodymium: in general, you don't want to be running startkde yourself - it should be run from .xinitrc or similar |
| 15:17.49 | PhilRod | wait, were you just running 'startkde' from a text console? |
| 15:17.53 | praseodymium | yup |
| 15:17.54 | PhilRod | cos that's just wrong |
| 15:17.56 | praseodymium | ok |
| 15:17.58 | praseodymium | KDM doesnt work |
| 15:18.17 | PhilRod | put the following in ~/.xinitrc (create it if it doesn't exist): |
| 15:18.21 | PhilRod | exec startkde |
| 15:18.31 | PhilRod | then run 'startx' |
| 15:18.36 | PhilRod | that should work |
| 15:19.30 | praseodymium | works :) |
| 15:19.34 | PhilRod | I don't know about KDM, but you can read the handbook at http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/kdm/ |
| 15:19.34 | praseodymium | so why doesnt KDM |
| 15:19.36 | praseodymium | ok |
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| 15:20.30 | PhilRod | btw, that handbook applies to kde 3.4 |
| 15:20.36 | PhilRod | kdm changed since 3.3 I think |
| 15:20.51 | PhilRod | the 3.3 version you can find from docs.kde.org |
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| 15:25.41 | frerich | hi |
| 15:26.07 | PhilRod | hi frerich :-) |
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| 15:30.07 | frerich | I'm omnipresent! |
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| 15:39.53 | Roey | :) |
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| 15:44.24 | WUninstall | Can I install kde 3.4 with apt? |
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| 15:47.48 | python | can anyone tell me how to setup glmatrix as my background |
| 15:47.59 | mikkel | WUninstall: KDE 3.4 is not out yet :) |
| 15:48.53 | lippel | WUninstall: you'll need KTimeWarp 0.34 to install it |
| 15:49.20 | lippel | i am running KDE 6.2, it's quite cool |
| 15:49.30 | lippel | but my machine is a bit slow |
| 15:49.35 | python | dous anyone know how to set up a glmatrix as a backround |
| 15:49.36 | python | ? |
| 15:49.46 | kilrae | they fix that bug in 6.2.1 |
| 15:49.56 | kilrae | it runs great on slow machines |
| 15:50.20 | lippel | kilrae: cool |
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| 15:52.31 | python | ill take that as no one knows how to setup glmatrix as my backround |
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| 15:54.53 | Marrs|vroc | glmatrix? url? |
| 15:55.03 | Suit | Hi, is there some master enable IPv6 setting in kde? |
| 15:55.04 | kilrae | /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix -root -density 4 -speed 8 -delay 21094 -no-fog -no-waves -no-rotate |
| 15:55.09 | kilrae | just a guess |
| 15:55.34 | Suit | Never mind |
| 15:55.36 | python | whare do i type that in it dousnt set it if i type it in the konsole |
| 15:55.46 | python | i saw that site also |
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| 16:03.02 | Suit | Ok, I set KDE_NO_IPV6=0 in .bashrc but I still cannot connect to IPv6 stuff. |
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| 16:03.16 | Suit | So that make me wonder, if IPv6 is supported in kde? |
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| 16:13.38 | Blissex | Where is some documentation about what 'kdeinit' and 'kwrapper' do to optimize memory and startup times? |
| 16:14.43 | kilrae | do i have to go to calculus? |
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| 16:28.35 | PhilRod | Blissex: http://www.suse.de/~bastian/Export/linking.txt I think |
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| 16:29.15 | nemo1111 | how do i partion my hdd? |
| 16:29.28 | daimoni | cfdisk /dev/hdX |
| 16:29.58 | nemo1111 | thanks |
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| 16:32.28 | chris_121 | you can use the programm qtparted |
| 16:32.39 | chris_121 | ^^^^^^its like partition magic |
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| 16:41.00 | Roey | hi |
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| 16:45.16 | Blissex | PhilRod: thanks! |
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| 16:47.33 | Roey | hello, can anyone confirm this for me: with CVS HEAD Konqueror, selecting the Hebrew text causes a distortion in the text rendering on this site http://www.zakai.com/km/ |
| 16:47.57 | Roey | I think the bidi text rendering is completely off actually |
| 16:48.04 | Roey | there are characters strewn around the page |
| 16:48.16 | Blissex | PhilRod: Ahhh, that's mostly about prelinking. Do 'kdeinit' and 'kwrapper' mostly just do prelinking? |
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| 16:49.54 | PhilRod | Blissex: I don't really know - kdeinit is something to do with forking child processes apparently being faster than just starting the app |
| 16:50.01 | PhilRod | ...I think |
| 16:50.40 | Blissex | PhilRod: OK, ok, that's what I sort of figured out, just wondering if there was something more to it. I'll look at the sources just to be sure... |
| 16:52.11 | Blissex | BTW, I have rewritten 'startkde' in a better/safer style, and in any case I have decided to just usr 'kicker' and 'kwin'. So what would be the best way to start them. So far I just do 'kdeinit kicker' and 'kdeinit kwin', seems to save a fair bit of memory... |
| 16:55.30 | PhilRod | how have you rewritten it? |
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| 16:58.24 | PhilRod | I mean, what method have you used to make it better/safer? |
| 17:00.10 | Blissex | PhilRod: just fixed a number of small bad scripting practices. |
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| 17:00.35 | Blissex | PhilRod: most shell scripts are written pretty terribly. |
| 17:03.35 | PhilRod | I guess whatever it already had was pretty resilient, since it's started so many KDE desktops without fault :-) |
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| 17:04.54 | PhilRod | hrm, apt didn't announce the arrival of root |
| 17:04.58 | PhilRod | apt: root |
| 17:04.59 | apt | somebody said root was not a Good Thing to use when using IRC. Please use a different account. You will probably not be able to speak until change your user account. |
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| 17:15.12 | pavel-simerda | Is here anybody using kde and writing in czech language? |
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| 17:15.44 | StevenR | PhilRod: what does apt look for to spot root? |
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| 17:27.02 | PhilRod | StevenR: I thought it would spot ~root@wherever, but obviously not |
| 17:27.34 | StevenR | PhilRod: i thought it spotted 0 and root |
| 17:28.16 | eille-la | when creating a .desktop file in the Autostart dir for kde, is the command in the "command" textbox will be executed directly or it is passed to a known bin that will launch it? |
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| 17:29.24 | StevenR | PhilRod: well i got a message from apt, but no announcement |
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| 17:37.04 | sniz | is there a way to download just kwrite? |
| 17:37.46 | StevenR | sniz: could do a cvs chackout |
| 17:38.04 | StevenR | sniz: kwrite requires libs and other things from other kde packages |
| 17:39.07 | sniz | I guess I could just get the entire kde package. It has some other nice tools. |
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| 17:39.20 | sniz | don't wanna go through dependency hell ;p |
| 17:39.41 | spiral | hi |
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| 17:45.04 | annma | sniz: you need the whle kdelibs in any case and kdebase is difficult to split |
| 17:45.30 | annma | unless you have very little space it's better to get the whole kdebase |
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| 18:14.30 | Julianyus | hi |
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| 18:35.50 | benno2 | question: assume I want to use KLed in a Qt app (I use a qmake file for the project), how can I change it to allow using KDE classes ? |
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| 18:43.14 | sredna | benno2: You need to link to kdegui (-lkdeui) |
| 18:43.38 | benno2 | sredna, thanks. found this http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2003-01/msg01320.html |
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| 18:59.34 | rabauke | Hello everybody. Everytime I use kmail's tray-icon to open kontact, the What's this? Button moves further to the right on kmail's toolbar. |
| 19:01.20 | rabauke | can somebody confirm this? |
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| 19:15.29 | neom | I tried to install lipstik last night and it totally scrwed up everything kicker related, haha, actually.. it screwed up lots of things, kcontrol included. Anyway, I jumped up to 3.4 and it seems to all be working again. |
| 19:15.36 | neom | However, I am missing a lot of the menus that I had on kicker before, such as Systems Tools, Applications, Games, etc etc. Is it possable to get those menus back without manually adding everything as that would be a PITA. |
| 19:17.03 | Roey | *possible |
| 19:17.16 | Roey | *hasn't, learned. |
| 19:17.49 | sredna | Have you become a language police bot, Roey ? |
| 19:17.55 | Roey | sredna: I can't help it |
| 19:18.01 | sredna | But hey, thanks, appreciated :) |
| 19:18.07 | Roey | sredna: people mix up it's and its and whose and who's |
| 19:18.21 | Roey | sredna: thanks, I meant it with utmost sincerity |
| 19:19.30 | sredna | I'd have caught at least the first one with more patience :-) |
| 19:19.34 | neom | Either way, the wrong vowel in possible being pointed out doesn't help me fix my menu bar. :) |
| 19:20.41 | PieD | if I buy a suse 9.3 pro pack (the first linux distribution pack I'd buy), where will my money go ? |
| 19:20.42 | Roey | ah. |
| 19:20.46 | Roey | neom: have you tried moving .kde over? |
| 19:20.53 | PieD | will it more or less directly go to KDE developers ? |
| 19:20.55 | sredna | neom: Move ~/.kde/share/config/kickerrc away (not delete) and start over? |
| 19:20.58 | Roey | PieD: to supporting gnome |
| 19:20.59 | PieD | (or developers working on KDE) |
| 19:21.19 | PieD | Roey: suse => gnome ? It's new... |
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| 19:22.02 | sredna | Novell is still using KDE, afaik |
| 19:22.05 | Roey | PieD: suse is part of novell now, and novell's Big Thing is now gnome. They want to keep Suse around as their end-user product, but I don't know how long they'll retain KDE, regardless of any press releases |
| 19:22.07 | neom | How do I get it to recreate that sredna? |
| 19:22.24 | Roey | sredna: I heard NLD uses gnome. |
| 19:22.26 | sredna | neom: Kde will recreate it for you |
| 19:22.43 | sredna | Roey: Odd, I really don't understand why they go that way.. |
| 19:22.57 | sredna | But hey, I'm stupid, so what would I know :o |
| 19:22.58 | Roey | sredna: because they also bought Ximian |
| 19:23.05 | Roey | sredna: and because Ximian is full of egomaniacs |
| 19:23.36 | sredna | They could drop evolution and have the ximian people concentrate on porting mono to qt :o |
| 19:23.53 | neom | Should I restart kicker? |
| 19:23.58 | neom | After I've move it? |
| 19:23.59 | sredna | neom: Yes! |
| 19:24.36 | sredna | neom: Possibly even brutally, by killing it |
| 19:24.50 | rabauke_ | I do not think that they are going to dump KDE, it does not make any sense. Why would they dump if they can have both? |
| 19:24.53 | neom | mk, well.. That didn't fix it. |
| 19:25.15 | sredna | neom: What exacyly seems to be the problem? |
| 19:25.18 | rabauke_ | yast is QT is it not? |
| 19:25.27 | PieD | Qt... |
| 19:25.44 | frerich | rabauke_: It has multiple frontends IIRC |
| 19:26.00 | PieD | the only frontends I know are Qt and curses |
| 19:26.07 | rabauke_ | exactly |
| 19:27.24 | neom | sredna - Well, yesterday I had like.. lot of things listed in my "all applications" menu in kicker. Such as "system tools" "office" "games" "applications" "internet" etc etc. |
| 19:27.34 | neom | However, they are no longer there. |
| 19:27.53 | neom | I'm wondering if they where created by gnome when I was using that and kde just picked them up when I moved over? |
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| 19:30.49 | sredna | neom: Ah, the K menu |
| 19:30.58 | neom | yup |
| 19:31.01 | sredna | neom: What KDE version? |
| 19:31.09 | neom | 3.4 |
| 19:31.44 | sredna | Well, try moving ~/.local and ~/.config (again, don't delete, just rename untill you are sure) |
| 19:32.39 | neom | totally move those two directorys? |
| 19:35.29 | neom | I moved those two directorys, and restarted kicker. |
| 19:35.35 | neom | Dosn't seem to have recreated them though? |
| 19:39.08 | sredna | neom: Run kbuildsycoca |
| 19:39.17 | sredna | neom: You needn't restart kicker |
| 19:42.59 | code_ | n8 |
| 19:43.17 | neom | sredna - Thanks, owe yah one. :) |
| 19:43.25 | sredna | :-) |
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| 19:44.31 | CruCarl | I was told KDE has a program that I can use to monitor remote hosts to make sure they stay up.. a simple ping script or so. But I was hoping for a nice gui that would let me manage a lot of them and flash and scream and alert me if one goes down |
| 19:45.20 | frerich | CruCarl: IIRC Ksysguard can do that |
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| 20:00.59 | hareldvd | Need help to choose printing mechanism. |
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| 20:02.20 | hareldvd__ | Need help to choose printing mechanism. |
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| 20:02.59 | storyteller | What do you mean exactly? |
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| 20:05.47 | hareldvd__ | storyteller: I want to choose either CUPS or LPRNG or any thing else that works well with kcontrol |
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| 20:14.25 | PhilRod | hareldvd__: cups is recommended, but lpr or lprng will work too |
| 20:14.44 | SomeStrangeGuy | hm |
| 20:14.46 | hareldvd__ | I tried both. Didn't like any of them. |
| 20:14.57 | SomeStrangeGuy | does anyone know where I'd have to look to fix this problem: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53278 |
| 20:15.15 | PhilRod | (good timing, btw - I was just looking for the kprint documentation to answer your question on the mailing list) |
| 20:15.15 | SomeStrangeGuy | i.e. by changing the default keys in the source files |
| 20:15.40 | hareldvd__ | PhilRod: I just have a print test attempt. Let's see. |
| 20:17.25 | hareldvd__ | Nee, Just junk. |
| 20:21.49 | PhilRod | hareldvd__: http://printing.kde.org/ should help with the KDE side |
| 20:24.01 | hareldvd__ | Unfortunately, I have to leave even thogh it is a shame I have to go now that I have your advice. |
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| 20:42.20 | kyeyekkarn | Anyone here? |
| 20:43.21 | PieD | yes ? |
| 20:43.38 | kyeyekkarn | Ok that's step1. Anyone use a laptop? :) |
| 20:44.19 | lostson | yes |
| 20:44.47 | PieD | no |
| 20:45.18 | kyeyekkarn | Specifically I have a question about the use of klaptop and some trouble I'm having... |
| 20:45.37 | lostson | i dont use klaptop sorry |
| 20:45.57 | kyeyekkarn | Do you use anything to throttle the CPU when your laptop is not plugged in? Or something else to conserve battery life? |
| 20:46.08 | lostson | yeah |
| 20:46.10 | kyeyekkarn | I'm -trying- to use klaptop, but it doesn't work |
| 20:46.13 | kyeyekkarn | What do you use? |
| 20:46.58 | lostson | i use the power controls in the control center |
| 20:48.33 | kyeyekkarn | Yeah that's what klaptop accesses |
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| 20:50.09 | lostson | so why use klaptop on top of the controls that are already there ? |
| 20:50.36 | kyeyekkarn | It access the same thing.. if you change something w/ klaptop it changes it there, too.. It's all the same thing. |
| 20:51.13 | kyeyekkarn | klaptop just sits in your tray... which is how I monitor it and know it's not doing what I want it to do |
| 20:51.16 | kyeyekkarn | Here's what I'm doing.. |
| 20:51.59 | kyeyekkarn | I run glxgears and have it dump the output to a terminal so I can monitor the FPS... then I close the laptop. I've got it set to throttle the CPU to 87% (slow as possible). |
| 20:52.27 | kyeyekkarn | When I open the laptop the terminal shows it went from like 2000 FPS to 300 FPS, so I know that part is working |
| 20:53.13 | kyeyekkarn | I then unplug the laptop, which I've also set to throttle to 87% and watching glxgears it never goes to 300fps... it never throttles the CPU.. I was wondering if there is a way around that... |
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| 20:56.13 | kyeyekkarn | Well if you're not having that problem I don't know it might just be the laptop... I will just deal with manual control. It's a cool feature either way... |
| 20:58.56 | MrGrim | kyeyekkarn: send me a laptop and I'll try to figure it out for you :P |
| 20:59.13 | kyeyekkarn | That's what they said last time... |
| 20:59.31 | MrGrim | kyeyekkarn: anyways, the first thing I'd do is find a way to determine if the event is actually getting sent |
| 20:59.39 | MrGrim | then you know if it's a problem with the acpi system or the event handler |
| 20:59.45 | MrGrim | then narrow it down from there |
| 21:00.23 | MrGrim | unfortunately I'm onyl able to give you a general tip like that, as I do not and never have owned or installed linux on a laptop |
| 21:00.44 | MrGrim | and I've never played with acpi or apm |
| 21:01.12 | MrGrim | I would try to map my power button to a software suspend to disk... but I don't trust the suspend to disk implementation yet |
| 21:01.18 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, Well here's one thing I did, maybe you can provide insight. If I have the laptop plugged in and unplug it I -know- it does not get throttled. But if I go into the control center and change something in the config... anything at all.. it will update and throttle properly |
| 21:01.21 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, So it -will- make the automatic change to the throttling state, but only if I make a change and apply said changes in the settings... |
| 21:01.39 | MrGrim | kyeyekkarn: I know I read that |
| 21:01.50 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, Yeah the suspend doesn't work on my laptop at all |
| 21:02.01 | MrGrim | that's why I suspect it may not be sending or recieving the power cord unplugged event |
| 21:02.28 | MrGrim | it's likely the problem lies in that area somewhere, but like I said I wouldn't know how to check it |
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| 21:02.31 | MrGrim | that, I'm afraid, is up to you |
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| 21:03.02 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, If I 'more /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/ACAD/status" it says on-line or offline, depending on the status of the power cord.. |
| 21:03.45 | MrGrim | kyeyekkarn: ok, so then acpi knows about it... do you know how the userspace tools interact with the kernel? |
| 21:03.49 | MrGrim | i.e. how they recieve messages? |
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| 21:04.36 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, That's probably it.. I know acpi recognizes it because the screen dims when I unplug... I have no idea how the userspace tools interact w/ the kernel, though. |
| 21:04.58 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, If you can provide any insight on where I might look, I'd appreciate it... |
| 21:05.14 | MrGrim | I wish I could, but I have never done anything like this |
| 21:05.37 | MrGrim | and w/o a proper test setup I'd be flying blind even if I decided to install the userspace tools |
| 21:06.20 | kyeyekkarn | MrGrim, That's OK... thanks anyway. You've been helpful in at least determing in the problem... acpi knows the signal, but the kdeutils is simply not updating for the change in state |
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| 21:08.19 | rabauke | Can anybody confirm that when dragging files from within ark to the KDE desktop, it does not copy them, but ask for some name for some content? This happens on a SuSE 9.2 using 3.4 RC1 RPMs |
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| 21:28.45 | kilrae | was i imagining it or did there used to be slackware packages for kde 3.4rc1? |
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| 21:30.53 | CapNemo | hello :) how i can wipe out my kde menu and rebuild it ? i have all the entries in twice ! |
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| 21:33.00 | neom | CapNemo - kbuildsycoca |
| 21:33.34 | CapNemo | neom: doesnt change .. when i log on kde with a brand new user its the same problem |
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| 21:34.41 | neom | try moving ~/.local and ~/.config move them, don't delete them. |
| 21:34.44 | neom | And then run it. |
| 21:35.15 | CapNemo | neom: yes but for a brand new user there is no .local or .config |
| 21:35.45 | neom | dunno then. |
| 21:36.52 | annma | CapNemo: how did you install KDE? your distro? |
| 21:36.54 | kilrae | CapNemo: don't know for sure, but i'd bet that there's default files somewhere in /opt/kde or whereever |
| 21:38.09 | annma | CapNemo: how did you install KDE? your distro? |
| 21:38.24 | CapNemo | mandrake |
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| 21:38.49 | annma | what kde version is it? |
| 21:38.55 | CapNemo | 3.3.2 |
| 21:39.29 | CapNemo | is it normal that my $KDEDIR is empty ? |
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| 21:41.01 | CapNemo | my kde 3.3.93 was more stable on archlinux rather than 3.3.2 on mandrake lol |
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| 21:43.48 | CapNemo | annma: all the menu is in /etc/xdg/applications.menus right ? |
| 21:44.10 | annma | don't know |
| 21:44.19 | annma | I run a pure KDE, not a mandrake one |
| 21:44.35 | PieD | mandrake totally alters the KDE menu system |
| 21:44.39 | annma | try running the kmenueditor tool |
| 21:44.50 | PieD | you should ask that on a specific mandrake IRC chan |
| 21:44.58 | PieD | annma: no kmenueditor in mandrake ! |
| 21:45.01 | CapNemo | PieD: yes it seems ... argg i miss my archlinux |
| 21:45.02 | PieD | it is menudrake |
| 21:45.10 | Latem | any1 know where KStyle configs are saved |
| 21:45.16 | PieD | a far less efficient menu editor |
| 21:45.17 | annma | CapNemo: right, run menudrake |
| 21:45.21 | Latem | cuz I changed my style to baghira, and upon clickin OK it changed style and crashed, and now when I click on styles, it crashes |
| 21:45.31 | Latem | and i cant go in to change my stytle |
| 21:46.08 | CapNemo | annma: menudrake see only one entry |
| 21:46.20 | CapNemo | its even worse with it |
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| 21:46.32 | CapNemo | kcontrol loose the entries |
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| 21:46.38 | annma | CapNemo: ask in #mandrake then |
| 21:46.59 | CapNemo | annma: yup thanks anyway .. nice job for 3.4 |
| 21:47.12 | annma | thanks! |
| 21:47.13 | PieD | CapNemo: mandrake is more a joke than a good distribution |
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| 21:47.26 | annma | PieD: come on |
| 21:47.28 | annma | don |
| 21:47.28 | PieD | they always add bugs between releases |
| 21:47.31 | PieD | it's boring |
| 21:47.32 | CapNemo | PieD: yup ;) |
| 21:47.34 | annma | no! |
| 21:47.40 | annma | no! no no |
| 21:47.41 | PieD | I'm fed up with repeating the same things on forums |
| 21:47.45 | annma | I run mandrake |
| 21:47.51 | annma | I have no bugs |
| 21:48.08 | PieD | they continue the horrible mistake of not integration easyurpmi in mandrake for instance |
| 21:48.19 | CapNemo | annma: but you dont use the rpms to install kde |
| 21:48.34 | PieD | I never saw a linux 2.6 kernel from mandrake non updated working perfectly |
| 21:48.39 | annma | CapNemo: for kde I am obliged to compile as I run KDE from today |
| 21:48.49 | annma | CapNemo: all the rest are mandrake rpms |
| 21:48.57 | annma | PieD: ? |
| 21:49.06 | annma | my kernel works ok |
| 21:49.09 | CapNemo | annma: yup good idea |
| 21:49.10 | PieD | mandrake 10.0 : a lot of ACPI problems |
| 21:49.16 | PieD | USB problems too |
| 21:49.26 | annma | PieD: well did you try debian by any chance? |
| 21:49.27 | PieD | corrected with the 8mdk or something like that... |
| 21:49.33 | PieD | annma: I love suse |
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| 21:49.53 | PieD | mandrake 10.1 : a lot of new ACPI problems + devfs/udev problems... |
| 21:49.54 | annma | it's not nice flaming mandrake |
| 21:50.07 | CapNemo | PieD: the sad part i had to dl a beta install cd to install it, cause the the kernel installed by the 10.0 cd wont boot at all |
| 21:50.08 | annma | suse was not free I never used it |
| 21:50.09 | PieD | the mandrake behaviour with testers is not nice |
| 21:50.35 | annma | well please dont flame here then |
| 21:50.36 | PieD | they don't care about your bug reports |
| 21:50.40 | PieD | ok |
| 21:50.47 | snugglemonke_ | mandrake has issues like every other distro... and in most cases.. It's the indian, and not the arrow. |
| 21:50.51 | annma | because at least they ship with kde |
| 21:51.05 | annma | so it's not nice flaming them here |
| 21:51.06 | CapNemo | snugglemonke_: ehehe nice moto :) |
| 21:51.09 | PieD | they ship with kde, like every distribution ! |
| 21:51.17 | annma | not like evry distro |
| 21:51.26 | annma | some assassinates kde |
| 21:51.29 | annma | (gentoo) |
| 21:51.32 | CapNemo | about kde, is there already something planned for the after 3.4 ? |
| 21:51.34 | PieD | only gnome-centred distro don't use KDE |
| 21:51.38 | PieD | what do you mean ? |
| 21:51.47 | annma | spli-ebuilds |
| 21:52.02 | PieD | splitted ? |
| 21:52.05 | annma | without arts |
| 21:52.08 | annma | split |
| 21:52.12 | PieD | ok understand, like mandrake... |
| 21:52.21 | annma | not like mandrake |
| 21:52.25 | annma | worse |
| 21:52.29 | annma | no dependencies |
| 21:52.46 | PieD | (I hate gentoo packaging system) |
| 21:53.10 | CapNemo | about kde, is there already something planned for the after 3.4 ?:) |
| 21:53.25 | PieD | CapNemo: porting to Qt4 is one of the bigger work |
| 21:53.25 | StevenR | CapNemo: yup |
| 21:53.53 | CapNemo | wow i can imagine |
| 21:54.11 | annma | CapNemo: before qt4/kde4 there will be a kde 3.5 |
| 21:54.24 | PieD | KDE 3.5... what is planned for it ? |
| 21:54.36 | slougi | mostly usability fixes i think |
| 21:54.37 | annma | all what we can put in |
| 21:54.43 | annma | slougi: yes! |
| 21:54.47 | PieD | same kind of changes like between 3.3 and 3.4 ? |
| 21:54.51 | annma | I hope not too many features |
| 21:54.58 | CapNemo | eheh |
| 21:55.00 | annma | probably more changes |
| 21:55.07 | tyfle | =) |
| 21:55.11 | annma | 3.3 and 3.4 was a bit bad timing |
| 21:55.15 | PieD | I hope enough features to satisfy me :) |
| 21:55.17 | CapNemo | the 3.4 is more oriented kdepim no ? |
| 21:55.26 | PieD | 3.3 was more oriented kdepim |
| 21:55.31 | CapNemo | oops |
| 21:55.44 | PieD | I consider 3.4 more oriented overall improvements |
| 21:56.03 | PieD | some BIG improvements like the new kpdf |
| 21:56.07 | CapNemo | 3.4 seems more integrated with the system |
| 21:56.13 | PieD | always better W3C standards support |
| 21:56.39 | annma | 3.5 and 4.0 will also see more interoperability with gnome |
| 21:57.08 | CapNemo | mmm good |
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| 21:58.48 | CapNemo | about kmail, why when i check the imap server, it seems to check each file on each directory or rebuilding index, and then it take several minutes ?? |
| 21:59.52 | PieD | going to burn a CD... see you later (hardware problems, I can only burn from a liveCD : any installed OS won't be able to burn anything, from mandrake 9.2 to suse 9.1 including debian sarge, ubuntu warty, ubuntu hoary and windows) |
| 22:00.00 | StevenR | 10days til 3.4 release :) |
| 22:00.10 | PieD | @++++ |
| 22:00.35 | CapNemo | 10 days :)) |
| 22:01.12 | _allanon | about kmail too: In kde 3.4, konq finally has stopped asking me for a password to access to kwallet. Any way to make kmail stop too? |
| 22:01.51 | annma | you mean you don't use the wallet? |
| 22:02.55 | _allanon | I do use the wallet, i just don't want it to keep asking for a password all the time. |
| 22:03.10 | _allanon | I enter my password at login, that should be enough. |
| 22:03.37 | annma | yes |
| 22:03.42 | _allanon | in kde 3.3 konq also wanted me to unlock wallet before use, but that does not happen anymore, and I am happy. But kmail needs me to unlock it. |
| 22:03.47 | annma | kmail and wallet is pretty broken |
| 22:04.24 | annma | I dont use the damned wallet ad kmail keep reasking for the passwords |
| 22:05.18 | _allanon | yeah, I had this annoying thing where kmail/kwallet asked for password when I _exited_ kmail. that luckily went away. |
| 22:05.38 | _allanon | it would also be nice if kmail could sign messages without asking for my gnupg password every time. |
| 22:05.58 | _allanon | it is like "Yes, yes, I know it is not as secure as it should be, but let me take that descision, ok?" |
| 22:05.59 | _root | but it needs the password if there is one on your key |
| 22:06.11 | _allanon | sure, but it should be able to cache the password. |
| 22:07.03 | _root | perhaps everything could be encrpyted with the login password |
| 22:07.40 | _allanon | I wouldn't mind. kdm-tie-in into kwallet. |
| 22:10.59 | _allanon | I'm sure many people don't use encryption because it is such a hassle. |
| 22:11.16 | _allanon | it should be as transparent as possible. kmail is close, but not perfect. |
| 22:12.38 | CapNemo | _allanon: the path already done since the first kmail is great about that, i remember struggling to put the right plugin for pgp |
| 22:13.14 | _allanon | yeah, I had probs in kde 3.3 because of... the gpg-agent was not detected by kmail and stuff, but in 3.4 it works great. |
| 22:13.29 | _allanon | Only hassle is that I have to type my gpg password every time I send an e-mail. |
| 22:13.47 | _allanon | (because my settings is set to automatically sign every e-mail) |
| 22:14.26 | CapNemo | ouch i forgot to launch the gpg-agent |
| 22:18.51 | CapNemo | _allanon: gpg-agent must run then kmail can drecrypt right ? |
| 22:19.01 | _allanon | yes. |
| 22:19.30 | _allanon | but the prob I had in kde 3.3 was that some enviroment variable was not set globally, so kmail could not detect that gpg-agent was running. |
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| 22:19.38 | ARCh1V1St | hello everyone |
| 22:19.55 | ARCh1V1St | how can I check my serial ports configuration on Debian?? |
| 22:20.46 | _allanon | It is like when people call Logitech when Windows will not boot up, since their mouse says Logitech. |
| 22:21.06 | _allanon | "Well, I can't use my mouse either, right!? Fix it so my Windows starts again!" |
| 22:21.10 | canllaith | ARCh1V1St: you go into #debian, and ask them. |
| 22:21.17 | ARCh1V1St | trying to get Kstars setup using the INDI drivers (telescope), and it keeps returning "error opening /dev/ttyS0" |
| 22:21.28 | ARCh1V1St | already did |
| 22:21.31 | canllaith | Ah. Do you have a /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 22:21.51 | ARCh1V1St | well, checked it in bios to ensure it was enabled |
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| 22:21.54 | ARCh1V1St | pulling that up now |
| 22:21.57 | ARCh1V1St | hehe, thannks :D |
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| 22:22.23 | ARCh1V1St | yes |
| 22:22.26 | ARCh1V1St | its there |
| 22:22.31 | canllaith | permissions? |
| 22:22.48 | ARCh1V1St | of course, this userwould need access to it, so I added the proper user to the TTY group |
| 22:22.53 | ARCh1V1St | would this be sufficient |
| 22:23.01 | ARCh1V1St | running ls -l now |
| 22:23.10 | canllaith | No idea given that's distro specific .... |
| 22:23.13 | ARCh1V1St | ohhhh |
| 22:23.16 | ARCh1V1St | you nailed it i think |
| 22:23.17 | ARCh1V1St | thanks |
| 22:23.18 | canllaith | Mine is globally read/write |
| 22:23.25 | ARCh1V1St | set to the DIALOUT group |
| 22:23.31 | canllaith | :) |
| 22:23.33 | ARCh1V1St | not the TTY group, as i assumed |
| 22:23.36 | canllaith | Ah ok then. |
| 22:23.37 | canllaith | :) |
| 22:23.39 | ARCh1V1St | SHAWEEEET |
| 22:23.41 | ARCh1V1St | :D |
| 22:23.52 | ARCh1V1St | first time using this robotic telescope |
| 22:23.55 | ARCh1V1St | i appreciate the help |
| 22:24.06 | canllaith | Sounds cool |
| 22:24.22 | ARCh1V1St | hmmm, should I just chmod ttyS0 directly? |
| 22:24.36 | ARCh1V1St | and CHANGE ownership to the user i need |
| 22:24.41 | ARCh1V1St | or add it to the group |
| 22:24.45 | ARCh1V1St | hmmm...... |
| 22:24.57 | canllaith | Don't change the ownership away from root |
| 22:25.02 | ARCh1V1St | group may be more secure, will go that route |
| 22:25.12 | ARCh1V1St | :) wasnt sure, cool |
| 22:26.08 | ARCh1V1St | damn, i was added to the dialout group as well, so it appears my permissions may be correct then... |
| 22:26.38 | ARCh1V1St | am going to run the app AS root |
| 22:26.42 | ARCh1V1St | maybe.... |
| 22:26.43 | ARCh1V1St | :) |
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| 22:30.36 | CapNemo | is ~/.kde/env still used by startkde in kde 3.3.2 ? |
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| 22:51.28 | E-werd | is there a script to download and install KDE 3.4? |
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| 22:53.52 | annma | yes, it is called konstruct |
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| 23:01.03 | ximoh | buenas |
| 23:01.09 | ximoh | buenas :) |
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| 23:15.04 | CapNemo | argg kmail still doesnt want to decrypt mails :( |
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| 23:16.59 | lippel | CapNemo: you need gpg-agent |
| 23:17.24 | CapNemo | yup it's launched by kde from ~/kde/env |
| 23:18.07 | lippel | CapNemo: do you get the pinentry-qt dialog? |
| 23:18.49 | CapNemo | nothing is displayed when i select the mail no |
| 23:18.50 | lippel | with pinentry in the caption |
| 23:19.18 | lippel | do you use inline or openpgp/mime? |
| 23:19.39 | CapNemo | pgp/mime |
| 23:20.07 | lippel | so what exactly happens when you click on a encrypted mail? |
| 23:20.47 | CapNemo | you see the mail well checked for the signature, and the inside said "Encrypted data not shown." |
| 23:21.00 | CapNemo | Encrypted message (decryption not possible) |
| 23:21.00 | CapNemo | Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data. |
| 23:21.00 | CapNemo | Error: Bad passphrase |
| 23:21.07 | lippel | without a dialog? |
| 23:21.16 | CapNemo | yes without |
| 23:21.56 | lippel | do you have tested the gpg-agent setup with some other app? |
| 23:22.01 | CapNemo | ah pinentry-qt is not installed .. |
| 23:22.09 | lippel | yeah, install that |
| 23:22.27 | lippel | and you have to add it to gpg-agent.conf iirc |
| 23:23.24 | CapNemo | yes that is done |
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| 23:25.39 | CapNemo | yesss working :) thanks a lot lippel |
| 23:26.12 | CapNemo | lippel: the password once entered in kept for a limited time right ? |
| 23:26.50 | lippel | CapNemo: cool, also test inline method. yeah, it's kept for some time. you can set this in gpg-agent as well i believe |
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| 23:29.34 | CapNemo | lippel: ok, its working too :) btw do you why the imap service in kmail take so much time to simply check new mail ? |
| 23:29.45 | underlord | in kde 3.4rc1's konqueror, how do i add a custom user agent to the browser id section of its settings? |
| 23:30.00 | lippel | CapNemo: no idea, i don't use imap |
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| 23:30.17 | CapNemo | ok thanks anyway :) |
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| 23:33.53 | koruptid | okay... my kontact is refusing to send mail |
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| 23:35.35 | rabauke | Anybody already tried Gnome 2.10? |
| 23:37.17 | rabauke | There are some really nice things |
| 23:38.26 | rabauke | Having written Text "applications" rather than a K as icon is much more straigth forward |
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| 23:39.05 | grepper | yes, that K always confuses me, I can never find the menu |
| 23:39.09 | canllaith | So many people like to talk about the 'usability' aspects of the kmenu icon over a vertical text |
| 23:39.21 | canllaith | To be honest, I haven't seen a single windows or mac user have a problem with it! |
| 23:39.22 | rabauke | also, if you want to add applets to the panel, you get a proper window with big icons, title and description |
| 23:39.38 | koruptid | WTF..... my mail sending in kontact isn't working |
| 23:39.52 | rabauke | One of the problems is, that it depends on the icon theme |
| 23:40.01 | MrPingouin | koruptid: using your isp's smtp or your own one ? |
| 23:40.01 | rabauke | You cannot even say, click on the K |
| 23:40.16 | rabauke | as e.g. Suse puts a green dot there |
| 23:40.21 | koruptid | MrPingouin: ISP's SMTP |
| 23:40.51 | canllaith | That is Suse's problem. |
| 23:41.05 | MrPingouin | koruptid: have you set the "sending" options in the kmail configuration ? |
| 23:41.14 | rabauke | not really, as normal users won't know the difference and blame KDE |
| 23:41.24 | rabauke | an icon plus text would be far more robust! |
| 23:41.27 | MrPingouin | koruptid: configure kmail -> network -> sending -> account |
| 23:41.27 | koruptid | MrPingouin: I push send and the emails (two emails to two different SMTP servers) and they just go to the outbox and sit there |
| 23:41.29 | canllaith | but as an applet, it's called the KMenu so it's not really dependant on the icon..... it's still the KMenu, just as Kopete is still Kopete not matter what icon you put on it. |
| 23:41.45 | canllaith | It's an icon, if you're confused as to what it does you click on it and go 'oh, that's a menu. Cool' |
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| 23:41.58 | canllaith | I mean, if someone has trouble with that then I think they should send their computer back lol |
| 23:42.30 | MrPingouin | koruptid: and with another mail client ? |
| 23:42.32 | rich_B | Hmm, or send to me, I need a new box |
| 23:42.34 | rabauke | were do you search for applications, where it says aplications, or where there is a big K? |
| 23:42.35 | canllaith | Making it configurable is an idea I like, to be able to easily select what icon you want etc, making it wider etc. |
| 23:42.58 | canllaith | I don't agree with the people all arguing for 'usability' reasons for 'newbies' |
| 23:43.10 | rabauke | why not? |
| 23:43.14 | canllaith | The newbies themselves aren't complaining, you show them once they've got it. It's a menu, it's in the same place as in windows, it's not hard. |
| 23:43.48 | koruptid | MrPingouin: mail is sending fine through a different client |
| 23:43.57 | canllaith | and I'd like to see a way to make the button rectangular (double width?) if you wanted it |
| 23:44.08 | canllaith | That way, you could have a png that was a nice box with 'Menu' written in it if you wanted |
| 23:44.19 | canllaith | Or 'Apps' or whatever. |
| 23:44.33 | grepper | that's confusing, I would wonder where the food is when I click on it |
| 23:44.42 | canllaith | Just slavishly copying gnome's panel isn't the best idea though. |
| 23:44.59 | koruptid | canllaith: any ideas why the email items I am trying to send would go to the outbox and just sit there even though I tell them to "send now"? |
| 23:45.00 | MrPingouin | koruptid: you said that you had two different smtp servers ? |
| 23:45.09 | canllaith | koruptid: make sure you're using the right smtp server |
| 23:45.09 | koruptid | MrPingouin: 4 actually |
| 23:45.23 | koruptid | canllaith: I've checked that already |
| 23:45.40 | koruptid | they are associated per identity |
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| 23:45.51 | Octane | god damn kde 3.4 is the bomb |
| 23:45.59 | koruptid | I have an identity for each SMTP server |
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| 23:46.08 | rich_B | canllaith: too many:) |
| 23:46.19 | bigongst | for k3b and making VCDs, what format does the file need to be in? |
| 23:46.27 | grepper | hm, still can't drag firefox urls's into basket |
| 23:46.27 | koruptid | canllaith: I've tried switching the mails to try all four... none of them will send |
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| 23:46.54 | canllaith | rich_B: heh, this is a laptop and I use my isp's smtp transport instead of our company mailserver when I am out and about |
| 23:47.09 | canllaith | rich_B: so I am having to select a different ISP from the drop down box every time I go to a new network ;) |
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| 23:47.28 | rich_B | canllaith: my laptop died-RIP |
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| 23:48.08 | canllaith | new second hand, I prefer to use apm to acpi so I'm staying clear of really really new ones (apart from the p4 I gave the b/f for his birthday) |
| 23:48.11 | rich_B | canllaith: *envious* hehe nice specs? |
| 23:48.18 | jose1711 | hello, please when konstruct is used to build meta/kde.. how big is du -sH ~/kde3.4? |
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| 23:48.40 | koruptid | canllaith: any ideas?..... there's no valid reason the messages shouldn't be sending that I can find |
| 23:48.51 | ben_ | Wondering what format video files have to be in to make a VCD with K3b |
| 23:48.52 | canllaith | koruptid: none at all, without an error message it's hard to tell |
| 23:49.15 | koruptid | canllaith: is there a log file for kmail? |
| 23:49.17 | rich_B | canllaith: ACPI is getting better, although its still a little sketchy |
| 23:49.20 | canllaith | rich_B: The b/f has a toshiba satellite, 1.8Ghz pentium 4M, 384MB DDR, 16MB mobility |
| 23:49.26 | canllaith | Wireless through a pcmcia card |
| 23:49.46 | canllaith | I got everything working except suspend/resume, the pcmcia depends on acpi to function so he always has to be using the latest bleeding edge kernel + acpi patches :\ |
| 23:49.55 | canllaith | and he can't build his own so I have to :( |
| 23:50.04 | canllaith | and this is my little baby: http://bryson.co.nz/files/l400/l400.html |
| 23:50.10 | rich_B | canllaith: *drools* I was looking at laptops on ebay, but its either a new laptop or a climbing trip in the summer:/ |
| 23:50.23 | ben_ | Wondering what format video files have to be in to make a VCD with K3b |
| 23:51.07 | canllaith | This is my 4th pIII latitude with an intel 440bx chipset so I'm starting to get it together (I think:P) |
| 23:51.17 | koruptid | is there a log file for kmail??? |
| 23:51.29 | treke | Anyone know how to get the smb kio slave to pass a domain name name as part of the authentication process in the current 3.4 rc? |
| 23:51.30 | CapNemo | hey canllaith |
| 23:51.32 | rich_B | canllaith: I have an interview for a new job next week though, so if I get that I may treat myself:) |
| 23:51.47 | canllaith | rich_B: nice! I'm in the middle of an interview process for a new job too |
| 23:51.50 | canllaith | good luck with that! :) |
| 23:51.54 | CapNemo | treke: i think you can do that by set it in kcontrol |
| 23:52.15 | treke | CapNemo: Used to be able to, that configuratin option was removed |
| 23:52.26 | rich_B | canllaith: Tell me about it, I applied for this position before xmas |
| 23:52.37 | koruptid | canllaith: is there anything that kmail uses that would be effected by a kernel rebuild? |
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| 23:52.54 | MrPingouin | koruptid: nope |
| 23:53.03 | canllaith | koruptid: not that I know if, but if you still have your previous kernel as an option in your bootloader (as is sensible) it would not be a silly idea to boot into it and see. |
| 23:53.10 | rabauk1 | what was my last message that got through? |
| 23:53.28 | koruptid | MrPingouin: then there seems to be no logical reason whatsoever fo this to be occuring |
| 23:53.31 | rich_B | canllaith: Last month I had a telephone interview, heard nothing for one month..now I have an interview heh-I might get the position by next xmas |
| 23:53.35 | canllaith | rich_B: mmm it's kinda my own fault, I should have applied before christmas - they are actually re-advertising for the position, after I mentioned I was interested too late... |
| 23:53.38 | annma | koruptid: a kernel rebuild won't affect kmail |
| 23:53.54 | canllaith | Of course it can affect Kmail =p |
| 23:53.55 | annma | koruptid: you mean it worked before and not after? |
| 23:53.55 | rabauke | you might be right about that menu, yet newbies, or even worse, people who do not want to understand the software they are working with are the majority in business life for example |
| 23:53.55 | rabauke | they do not even want to remember to right click stuff, or hover icons |
| 23:53.55 | rabauke | they just want to work |
| 23:53.55 | rabauke | those kind of people won't complain, because they do not know how |
| 23:53.55 | rabauke | rather than having nothing to complain about |
| 23:53.56 | rabauke | I think there should be more things written out in KDE, if people look for copy too... and can find it without having to click/hover/guess from icon it helps a lot |
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| 23:54.07 | canllaith | however it would also affect you being able to IRC |
| 23:54.38 | koruptid | annma: I mean I haven't touched it in a day or so and last i recall sending mail worked just fine.... now if there was some error log for kmail I might be able to find something remotely useful |
| 23:54.52 | rich_B | canllaith: Im omtimstic, if not im retraining, IT can be relegated to a hobby |
| 23:55.23 | canllaith | rich_B: The person who'd be my boss in this new position is a friend of mine and wants to hire me so he can have an OSS hacker in his pocket |
| 23:55.34 | canllaith | but his boss still has to be convinced. It's looking darn promising though |
| 23:55.47 | treke | ugh |
| 23:55.50 | canllaith | *and* he's hinting that KDE conferences might just come under 'professional development' |
| 23:55.53 | treke | it literally just started magically working |
| 23:55.55 | treke | I hate that :) |
| 23:55.59 | annma | koruptid: your situation seems quite weird: you upgraded the kernel and now kmail smtp does not work? |
| 23:56.14 | annma | I am hardly believing that |
| 23:56.21 | rich_B | canllaith: Ahh this is symbian stuff, the basically train developers then pimp them out to other companies |
| 23:56.27 | canllaith | Which means I might even get my airfares paid for :) |
| 23:56.29 | koruptid | annma: I've done quite a few things in the last two days... none of them would be consistent with making this stop working |
| 23:56.33 | canllaith | rich_B: symbian ? |
| 23:56.47 | annma | koruptid: so get a new user and set kmail up again and see |
| 23:56.51 | canllaith | koruptid: try as new user |
| 23:56.56 | canllaith | heh snap ;) gmta annma |
| 23:57.06 | rich_B | canllaith: Embedded OS-mobile devices and the like IIRC |
| 23:57.12 | canllaith | ok |
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| 23:57.26 | CapNemo | oh btw is there a roadmap for kweather to include forecasts ??! |
| 23:57.42 | annma | hmm? |
| 23:57.47 | annma | how? |
| 23:58.13 | CapNemo | like the gnome applet which display the week forecast and the doppler radar |
| 23:58.35 | annma | week forecast? |
| 23:58.42 | CapNemo | yup |
| 23:58.46 | annma | I don't think they have some here |
| 23:58.56 | annma | in my cuntry |
| 23:59.00 | annma | country |
| 23:59.13 | annma | maybe 3 or 4 days that's it |
| 23:59.20 | rich_B | canllaith: It will probably be dull, the interview is with the HR manager, then another with a software engineer-that one should be fun at least |
| 23:59.37 | canllaith | I am having a phone call today to check that I speak english properly ;) |
| 23:59.44 | canllaith | (I'm in another country to the company) |
| 23:59.54 | CapNemo | canllaith: ehehe |
| 23:59.59 | canllaith | Then we'll arrange a telephone interview, then a final face to face interview I'll have to go to Australia for. |
