| 00:00.35 | brucehoult | lauri: Mike King is a maori comedian and sometime actor who got well known about the same tiem as Kevin Smith. Think of him as the current Billy T |
| 00:00.57 | brucehoult | but with a more annoying giggle |
| 00:01.08 | lauri | I'm sort of thinking I should remember him |
| 00:01.29 | lauri | someone dig me up a photo |
| 00:01.50 | lauri | oh yeah |
| 00:01.54 | lauri | I know who he is |
| 00:02.18 | lauri | there used to be a sketch show he was on, I remember there was a skinny white guy with glasses who did this hilarious mormons sketch |
| 00:02.20 | _b | after seeing the American Kevin Smith's atrocity of a movie "Dogma", I think God zapped the wrong guy... |
| 00:02.21 | lauri | (how's that for vague) |
| 00:02.33 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:02.36 | slayerbob | that's pretty vague |
| 00:03.30 | _b | God sometimes requires disambiguation. |
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| 00:03.49 | lauri | heh |
| 00:03.57 | lauri | iolaus from hercules, his wife was on it too |
| 00:04.11 | lauri | now I can't remember his name either (but I can sing the lion red song) |
| 00:04.16 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:04.25 | lauri | michael hurst |
| 00:04.48 | slayerbob | he has been in lots of things |
| 00:04.52 | _b | I like that NZ actor who was in Once Were Warriors |
| 00:05.06 | brucehoult | Tem Morrison |
| 00:05.07 | lauri | ok, I seem to have made that up |
| 00:05.11 | slayerbob | _b: there were quite a few actors in that |
| 00:05.17 | lauri | since she doesn't see mto have been in the thing I was thinking of either |
| 00:05.18 | brucehoult | in recent Star Wars movies as Fett |
| 00:05.20 | brucehoult | and Speed 2 |
| 00:05.26 | _b | ah, yeah, Temeura Morrison |
| 00:05.33 | _b | I think |
| 00:05.44 | brucehoult | and Barb Wire, but feel free to forget that one |
| 00:05.56 | _b | lol |
| 00:05.57 | canllaith | Mornin lauri |
| 00:05.59 | canllaith | Mornin brucehoult |
| 00:06.05 | canllaith | Mornin slayerbob |
| 00:06.12 | slayerbob | mornin canllaith |
| 00:06.13 | brucehoult | g'day canllaith :-) |
| 00:06.37 | slayerbob | we've just been picking on nz actors that lauri somehow failed to meet |
| 00:07.12 | canllaith | I swear, that bloody model M keyboard ... |
| 00:07.16 | scrooge | moin canllaith ! |
| 00:07.23 | canllaith | There should be noise pollution laws against it |
| 00:07.26 | canllaith | moin scrooge :) |
| 00:07.30 | canllaith | Goodnight PhilRod, sleep well. |
| 00:07.35 | scrooge | heh |
| 00:07.38 | scrooge | remote put em to sleep |
| 00:08.49 | lauri | oh tim balme |
| 00:09.21 | lauri | now him I actually tried to meet once, and in fact may have, but it was at a party and I was so drunk I really can't say :/ |
| 00:09.30 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:09.32 | lauri | (he was one of the mormons in that skit I remember though) |
| 00:09.48 | lauri | well, and he was in brain dead, how can you not love him |
| 00:09.56 | njoodle | hi! |
| 00:09.58 | njoodle | bye :) |
| 00:10.48 | slayerbob | oddly enough i have never come across tim balme before |
| 00:10.56 | slayerbob | prolly cos i don't watch much tv :P |
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| 00:11.35 | lauri | brain dead? |
| 00:11.49 | slayerbob | has been a long time since i saw brain dead :P |
| 00:11.52 | scrooge | are there brainf*ck bindings to kde? |
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| 00:12.20 | slayerbob | although it was a classic :P |
| 00:12.21 | lauri | "that's my mother you're pissing on" |
| 00:12.29 | lauri | heh, must hunt down a copy of that again |
| 00:12.33 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:12.37 | lauri | probably can since lotr made him famous |
| 00:12.45 | slayerbob | it is probably all popular on kazaa now since lotr was released :P |
| 00:13.41 | lauri | heh, imdb trivia: The rental in Sweden (and probably other countries as well) came with supplemental vomitbags. |
| 00:13.49 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:13.56 | slayerbob | it wasn't that bad |
| 00:14.05 | slayerbob | well... maybe the eating the brains with spoons was a little ott |
| 00:14.07 | lauri | and "The movie is said to be the bloodiest of all time (measured in amount of film blood used during the production)." |
| 00:14.16 | lauri | it was too :) |
| 00:14.26 | lauri | "they're not dead, exactly, just sort of... rotting" |
| 00:14.30 | lauri | it was gross, that's what's so charming about it |
| 00:14.56 | lauri | although, I felt it lacked sheep, in comparison ot meet the feebles |
| 00:15.04 | lauri | (that must be surely teh second bloodiest film ever) |
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| 00:15.09 | slayerbob | heh |
| 00:15.15 | slayerbob | i do not remember meet the feebles |
| 00:15.20 | slayerbob | well... not very well in any case |
| 00:16.10 | lauri | me either apparently, Iwas mixing it up with bad taste |
| 00:16.20 | lauri | (that's the one with teh aliens and hte exploding sheep) |
| 00:16.48 | slayerbob | yeah brain dead had the aliens |
| 00:17.05 | slayerbob | or was that the one with the rob muldoon masks ? |
| 00:17.40 | lauri | I just remember much gore, exploding sheep, and peter jackson was actually in it |
| 00:17.45 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:17.53 | canllaith | *blink* |
| 00:17.56 | canllaith | is this NZ films? |
| 00:18.10 | canllaith | I recall NZ films having a reputation for quirky gore and violence. |
| 00:18.16 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:18.30 | canllaith | Unlike Australian films, which have a reputation for involving lots of drag queens and references to feeding American tourists vegemite. |
| 00:18.34 | lauri | well, let's say |
| 00:18.48 | lauri | kiwi's were more surprised than *anyone* when peter jackson got hold of lotr |
| 00:18.56 | lauri | since we'd actually *seen* his previous output |
| 00:18.57 | slayerbob | heh |
| 00:19.04 | lauri | you really must see braindead though, it's hilarious |
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| 00:19.10 | slayerbob | no, no you mustn't |
| 00:19.36 | lauri | canllaith: imagine night of the living dead with 5 times as much gore and twice as many jokes |
| 00:19.45 | canllaith | Haven't seen night of the living dead |
| 00:19.52 | lauri | god you are deprived |
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| 00:20.00 | canllaith | my god, is this JRT mentally handicapped ? |
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| 00:20.14 | slayerbob | jrt ? |
| 00:20.32 | canllaith | 'I think MY suggestions should have more weight than others' yeah fucking right mate. |
| 00:20.34 | feistel | hi |
| 00:20.37 | feistel | i am searching some autocompletation plugin for Kopete, any suggest? |
| 00:20.46 | slayerbob | heh |
| 00:21.04 | canllaith | Seriously, what a complete and utter fucking idiot |
| 00:21.10 | slayerbob | sam raimi does make funny movies :P |
| 00:21.27 | Bille | feistel: hi |
| 00:21.33 | lauri | must be time for bed |
| 00:21.34 | feistel | Bille: hi :) |
| 00:21.37 | Bille | feistel: what do you want to do? |
| 00:21.42 | lauri | I can't tell my gory movies apart |
| 00:21.46 | slayerbob | :P |
| 00:21.48 | feistel | type more fast |
| 00:21.49 | lauri | as for jrt |
| 00:21.51 | feistel | :) |
| 00:22.05 | brucehoult | lauri: I think Heavenly Creatures explains why he got LoTR. Really good film. |
| 00:22.07 | Bille | feistel: like openoffice? |
| 00:22.09 | lauri | just remind yourself often that in dog circles, it stands for "jack russel terrier" |
| 00:22.11 | feistel | yes |
| 00:22.11 | lauri | I find it helps |
| 00:22.17 | feistel | good point |
| 00:22.18 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:22.35 | lauri | imagine him as having really short legs and a high pitched yappy voice |
| 00:22.37 | brucehoult | canllaith: [12:20] <canllaith> Unlike Australian films, which have a reputation for involving lots of drag queens and references to feeding American tourists vegemite. |
| 00:22.49 | brucehoult | you forgot the obligitory Abba soundtrack... |
| 00:22.52 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 00:22.57 | canllaith | Abba? What's that? |
| 00:23.01 | canllaith | <------ born in 82 |
| 00:23.03 | slayerbob | "The Castle" was an entertaining australian movie :P |
| 00:23.09 | brucehoult | canllaith: allow me to play you some... |
| 00:23.17 | lauri | 82? |
| 00:23.19 | canllaith | hahaha 'fernando' please, if you absolutely must |
| 00:23.26 | canllaith | lauri: yup, I'm not that much older than Sam. |
| 00:23.37 | canllaith | She'd be what, 89 or 90 ? |
| 00:23.42 | slayerbob | <----- born in 83 |
| 00:23.43 | lauri | oh way to get in my good books, girly |
| 00:23.46 | canllaith | slayerbob: lying sod |
| 00:23.51 | lauri | 90 :) |
| 00:23.52 | brucehoult | canllaith: I was thinking of dancing queen |
| 00:23.53 | lauri | slayerbob: fibber |
| 00:24.01 | Bille | feistel: doesn't exist yet but feel free to write it |
| 00:24.13 | feistel | Bille: right! |
| 00:24.33 | Bille | feistel: #kopete or kopete-devel@kde.org if you are interested |
| 00:24.45 | lauri | in '82, I was probably fighting with my friend alitia over which one of us got to be agnetha when we played dressup as abba |
| 00:24.54 | lauri | she always won, I had dark hair, and she had long blonde hair |
| 00:24.56 | lauri | bith |
| 00:25.02 | slayerbob | oh come on - i'm not that old :( |
| 00:25.04 | lauri | c |
| 00:25.18 | brucehoult | um .. yes you are :-) |
| 00:25.30 | slayerbob | :'( |
| 00:25.42 | lauri | and if you're not, I'm going to continue to believe that anyway |
| 00:25.46 | canllaith | Same year as my mum, so it's shocking I don't just *know* |
| 00:25.47 | slayerbob | :P |
| 00:25.57 | brucehoult | canllaith: early December 1962. Oh, what a night! |
| 00:26.00 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 00:26.15 | canllaith | That was 63 wasn't it? "late december back in '63... " |
| 00:26.20 | slayerbob | yup |
| 00:26.24 | sarah03 | I'm just going to smile and nod. |
| 00:26.29 | slayerbob | except then it does not work :) |
| 00:26.40 | brucehoult | http://www.lyricsdomain.com/6/frankie_valli/oh_what_a_night.html |
| 00:26.42 | brucehoult | close enough :-) |
| 00:26.47 | canllaith | I can always remember Carina (Stepmother) She's 69.... 'SUMMER OF SIXTY NINEEEEEEEEEE' |
| 00:26.53 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:27.00 | brucehoult | the year or the position? |
| 00:27.03 | canllaith | Mum is 20 years older than me, and so are you =p Nice round number even I can add up. |
| 00:27.50 | lauri | that was frankie valli? |
| 00:28.16 | slayerbob | i'm pretty sure it was |
| 00:28.26 | canllaith | mmm * My eyes adore you.... though I never laid a hand on you, my eyes.... adored you... * |
| 00:28.34 | canllaith | Only one I have by him on my hdd it seems... |
| 00:29.14 | lauri | the only thing his name brings to mind is big girls don't cry-y-y-y |
| 00:29.19 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 00:29.34 | lauri | oh, and didn't he do grease? |
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| 00:29.48 | lauri | (not that you're old enough to remember *that* either :) |
| 00:29.52 | canllaith | mmmm ... |
| 00:30.02 | brucehoult | lol |
| 00:30.10 | canllaith | I vaguely remember Olivia prancing in really really tight black .. vinyl ? |
| 00:30.19 | canllaith | and singing very sharp and nasally |
| 00:30.34 | brucehoult | yeah and before that she was best known for Banks of the Ohio |
| 00:30.42 | canllaith | ok, that's really drawn a complete blank |
| 00:31.54 | sredna | Night folks :) |
| 00:32.20 | lauri | and finds xanadu |
| 00:32.25 | canllaith | Night sredna :) |
| 00:32.46 | lauri | omg, olivia as a greek muse reincarnated as a roller skating pop singer |
| 00:32.49 | brucehoult | yo're not? Aren't yo ufrom the West Island originally? |
| 00:32.54 | lauri | how 1980 (I remember seeing that in the theater) |
| 00:33.01 | canllaith | LOL |
| 00:33.29 | slayerbob | she has said so at least twice |
| 00:33.36 | slayerbob | and that is only while i have been in channels |
| 00:33.47 | lauri | plus, she shouldn't disagree with her elders |
| 00:33.51 | slayerbob | indeed |
| 00:34.01 | lauri | (c'mon, there has to be some advantage to being ancient) |
| 00:34.03 | canllaith | *blink* |
| 00:34.38 | sarah03 | Ok then. |
| 00:35.17 | canllaith | Mrs Jessica Louise Hall |
| 00:35.20 | canllaith | 12 SEP 1982 |
| 00:35.23 | canllaith | F |
| 00:35.32 | canllaith | Place of Birth: Penrith |
| 00:35.44 | canllaith | and dear god, anyone who actually *knows* Sydney don't bloody repeat that to anyone :| |
| 00:35.44 | mobtek | hmm anyone not seeing any devices in konqi? |
| 00:35.47 | slayerbob | if you stay for another couple of months you'll be eligible to become an nz citizen :P |
| 00:35.54 | mobtek | hahahahah canllaith |
| 00:36.16 | canllaith | shuddup boy |
| 00:36.20 | mobtek | kekek |
| 00:36.25 | canllaith | My mother was a westie... *I* am not. |
| 00:36.26 | canllaith | For one thing |
| 00:36.32 | canllaith | I say 'Penrith' and not 'Penriff' |
| 00:37.43 | mobtek | hahahah |
| 00:37.46 | mobtek | too true :) |
| 00:37.47 | canllaith | :P |
| 00:37.53 | mobtek | canllaith: only just :) |
| 00:38.05 | canllaith | Issuing authority for my passport says 'Adelaide' I could just adopt it and say that's my place of birth |
| 00:38.06 | slayerbob | oi! |
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| 00:38.16 | mobtek | canllaith: thats even worse :) |
| 00:38.23 | canllaith | I rather like Adelaide, although it's pretty posh |
| 00:38.43 | mobtek | Adelaide is like a cross between Sydney and Wagga-wagga |
| 00:38.43 | canllaith | lauri: a better connotation? :D |
| 00:38.53 | lauri | well, I'm not sure |
| 00:38.55 | mobtek | and where the serial killers go home to roost |
| 00:39.01 | mobtek | it's one seriously weird little town |
| 00:39.08 | canllaith | mobtek: heh you can always tell guys from Adelaide up in Darwin. They're wearing posh leather shoes and pressed trousers and collared shirts.... |
| 00:39.16 | canllaith | ..... in 35 degree tropical humidity |
| 00:39.24 | mobtek | thats because all the men in Adelaide are gay |
| 00:39.27 | mobtek | mostly :) |
| 00:39.35 | sarah03 | lol |
| 00:39.35 | mobtek | big problem for the straight girls |
| 00:39.37 | canllaith | bahahahaha well I wasn't going to *say* that not knowing if any are in here |
| 00:39.50 | canllaith | Unlike Darwin, where all the guys are straight cause they're such rednecks they've driven all the gays out |
| 00:39.53 | lauri | canllaith: westie's were the guys in too tight jeans with too long hair in too awful garage metal bands |
| 00:39.58 | canllaith | and there are 5 guys to every girl. |
| 00:40.04 | mobtek | no seriously you ask straight girls about the men in adelaide |
| 00:40.05 | lauri | and all the girls in leather with much cleavage, driving clapped out old holdens |
| 00:40.10 | mobtek | haha lauri |
| 00:40.13 | canllaith | lauri: oooh right, I think we can really apply that cross culturally here then |
| 00:40.13 | brucehoult | lauri: Seedney and Dorkland westies are exactly the same |
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| 00:40.22 | brucehoult | heavy metal and old holdens and mullets |
| 00:40.28 | canllaith | Add drugs |
| 00:40.33 | canllaith | and gangland shootings |
| 00:40.35 | mobtek | can't go wrong with a mullet |
| 00:40.36 | canllaith | and you pretty much have it |
| 00:40.43 | lauri | ok, yup, that pretty much nails it |
| 00:40.47 | canllaith | just think kath + kim |
| 00:40.50 | sarah03 | mobtek: If you've got a mullet, you're already wrong. |
| 00:40.51 | canllaith | but like, drugs. |
| 00:40.53 | mobtek | hahahahha |
| 00:40.58 | canllaith | mobtek: lol I lived in Adelaide for years. |
| 00:41.01 | mobtek | sarah03: god no, never ever :) |
| 00:41.08 | canllaith | My father grew up in Berri |
| 00:41.13 | mobtek | heh |
| 00:41.17 | lauri | canllaith: for some reason "westie" always makes me think of brian mannix |
| 00:41.20 | mobtek | my wife's family is from there |
| 00:41.27 | lauri | (in either country) |
| 00:41.28 | mobtek | lauri: the hair |
| 00:41.32 | canllaith | bahaha and recruit training was Adelaide (Actually, Elizibeth) |
| 00:41.39 | lauri | and the impossibly tight jeans |
| 00:41.39 | canllaith | Now that's one hole of a town, Elizibeth |
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| 00:41.56 | canllaith | recruits wearing army boots and camo gear were nervous walking across that town to get to the train station |
| 00:42.03 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:42.14 | mobtek | Murray Bridge! |
| 00:42.17 | canllaith | hahaha although, recruit training reminded me of my dad (this will escape all non Australians) being from Berri |
| 00:42.23 | mobtek | the northern suburbs is where it's at man :) |
| 00:43.07 | brucehoult | canllaith: what was that town you were mentioning yesterday? Humptydoo or something? |
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| 00:43.33 | canllaith | One of the songs we'd sing drill to is MY DAD PICKS THE FRUIT THAT GOES TO COTTEES! TO MAKE THE CORDIAL... *pause pause* THAT I LIKE BEST |
| 00:43.53 | canllaith | You feel like a real dick roaring that at the top of your lungs with 30 other people, in army boots. |
| 00:44.00 | canllaith | and those floppy auscam hats |
| 00:44.06 | slayerbob | :P |
| 00:44.33 | brucehoult | prolly no worse than the molenberg bread song |
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| 00:44.43 | canllaith | mobtek: I did an excersise out at Murray Bridge. I think we had a shooting range there. |
| 00:45.01 | canllaith | and Berri of course, is the competing brand of cordial cause we have nice cordial in Australia not the crap stuff you guys have here |
| 00:45.18 | slayerbob | we have water :) |
| 00:45.22 | lauri | that's because no sane person drinks cordial, we only have it around for the foreigners |
| 00:45.23 | canllaith | mobtek: they either have that really posh lime juice stuff in glass bottles, or this super disgusting ultra concentrated stuff... and nothin in between |
| 00:45.46 | canllaith | Where is the entire ROW in the supermarket dedicated to Cottees, Berri, and Home Brand cordials??? |
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| 00:46.14 | canllaith | hahaha yes, although did I give myself a shock by licking the spoon ;) |
| 00:46.19 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:46.20 | lauri | or, pour it straight over hokey pokey icecream (and be prepared in case you then go into insulin shock) |
| 00:46.28 | canllaith | That was like a little electric JOLT |
| 00:46.31 | canllaith | wow, not doing that again. |
| 00:46.39 | canllaith | That's some pretty concentrated stuff |
| 00:46.42 | lauri | hehehe |
| 00:46.56 | lauri | it is, so don't put much on your icecream, and moosh it up well |
| 00:47.02 | canllaith | hehehe ok |
| 00:47.16 | lauri | (it's really the only thing it's good for though, cos it's not very good with water as a drink) |
| 00:47.27 | canllaith | oooooooh it's gonna be so nice to have real cordial, baked beans in ham sauce, golden gaytimes and solo |
| 00:47.47 | chrisag | ew |
| 00:47.48 | canllaith | and frigging reasonable prices on cheese. Dear god, what is this $3.95 for a pack of bloody plastik cheese crap? |
| 00:47.52 | name | what are the kde im, music, and irc clients? |
| 00:48.08 | canllaith | name: kopete | amarok juk noatun kaboodle | konversation ksirc |
| 00:48.17 | slayerbob | well you're not supposed to buy the fake cheese |
| 00:48.20 | canllaith | I have just heard informally toooooooooo |
| 00:48.21 | name | thanks |
| 00:48.22 | slayerbob | the real cheese is much cheaper |
| 00:48.22 | lauri | canllaith: because you shouldn't be eating the plastik cheese crap, it's gross, get some mainland cheddar, and be happy |
| 00:48.31 | canllaith | That they're moving all their networking hardware to Cisco so they want a ccna |
| 00:48.40 | canllaith | aaaaaaand that they're moving lots of stuff to sonar so they want a unix guru |
| 00:48.45 | slayerbob | just as well you have one then :P |
| 00:48.47 | canllaith | Indeed. |
| 00:49.03 | chrisag | quick question: anyone happen to have a list of firefox varibles so i can call them in CSS :-p |
| 00:49.06 | chrisag | oooo Cisco |
| 00:49.08 | slayerbob | i really should go and sit the ccna and mcse exams |
| 00:49.08 | canllaith | Although if they actually ask me *questions* about cisco hardware I'm likely to stare at them open mouthed cause I don't know it that well. |
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| 00:49.23 | lauri | chrisag: you'll need to ask that in a firefox related channel |
| 00:49.27 | slayerbob | i am finding lots of jobs are turning me down flat because i do not have those two pointless bits of paper :( |
| 00:49.31 | mobtek | canllaith: I can't really imagine you in the army :P |
| 00:49.33 | chrisag | Yeah I know.. but i figured. |
| 00:49.33 | lauri | this one is about kiwi's taking over the world |
| 00:49.33 | canllaith | I mean, I can sit down at something and do things ... I don't know it like I know KDE and can rattle off answers off the top of my head though =p |
| 00:49.40 | canllaith | mobtek: wanna see a pic? :P and it was RAAF |
| 00:49.49 | lauri | (also, komposite effects, ie, translucency and shadows, and kopete, do not get along too well for some people) |
| 00:49.49 | mobtek | ahh ok |
| 00:49.53 | mobtek | thats alright then :) |
| 00:49.56 | mobtek | lauri: yuppers |
| 00:50.08 | mobtek | and now if I can figure why konqi keeps crashing :) |
| 00:50.15 | lauri | I can't believe I just spelled composite with a k |
| 00:50.23 | lauri | shoot me now |
| 00:50.54 | mobtek | but it's kool to use a K |
| 00:50.55 | canllaith | Isn't that a scary thought? |
| 00:51.09 | slayerbob | aus-styer ? |
| 00:51.11 | canllaith | They gave *ME* a semi automatic military rifle, I mean wow. |
| 00:51.15 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:51.28 | brucehoult | slayerbob: gun from Denmark or somewhere |
| 00:51.34 | canllaith | actually |
| 00:51.35 | lauri | and in a nutshell, why it's kiwis taking over teh world and not the kangas |
| 00:51.39 | mobtek | slayerbob: nah SKK is a chinese knockoff of the AK-47 |
| 00:51.40 | canllaith | it's made by tupperware |
| 00:51.43 | canllaith | I shit you not |
| 00:51.45 | brucehoult | omglol |
| 00:51.47 | mobtek | its Austrian |
| 00:51.48 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:51.50 | canllaith | The plastik bits on the main Australian military rifle |
| 00:51.52 | mobtek | the steyr |
| 00:51.56 | canllaith | Tupperware got the contract ;) |
| 00:52.18 | brucehoult | damn Austrian was my initial guess too :-( |
| 00:52.30 | mobtek | heheh |
| 00:52.35 | brucehoult | ah, I ended up thinking of the fn |
| 00:52.38 | Dhraakellian | wait... plastik used in guns? |
| 00:52.38 | canllaith | So I'm hoping we have a lifetime guarantee on reheating our rationpacks in the shell |
| 00:52.46 | mobtek | canllaith: but military weapons are FUN :) |
| 00:52.51 | Dhraakellian | do they have any rifles with keramik pieces? |
| 00:52.52 | canllaith | mobtek: I can't lift most of them |
| 00:53.01 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: you can run over their with a tank and they still work :) |
| 00:53.06 | mobtek | s/their/these |
| 00:53.17 | canllaith | mobtek: I feel that tupperware should start using that in their marketing campaign |
| 00:53.27 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: no they have better taste than to use Keramik |
| 00:53.30 | mobtek | :P |
| 00:53.37 | canllaith | 'Worried about how dishwaser safe your plastik is?' |
| 00:53.38 | brucehoult | hmm. fal fn/7.62 in Belgian, not Danish. |
| 00:53.59 | canllaith | 'Don't be! 9 out of 10 soldiers agree that they'll put their lives in the hands of tupperware!' |
| 00:54.04 | mobtek | hahaha |
| 00:54.07 | canllaith | and videos of tanks rolling over guns |
| 00:54.21 | slayerbob | lol |
| 00:54.21 | mobtek | Our tupperware kills people, elite. |
| 00:54.29 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 00:54.40 | mobtek | <grunt covered in brains> Thanks Tupperware! |
| 00:54.41 | canllaith | no, tupperware doesn't kill people! people kill people, and tupperware saleswomen cause they're really really annoying. |
| 00:55.16 | mobtek | canllaith: I should get my brother to film that, full starship troopers style |
| 00:55.25 | brucehoult | hmm. And I'm told that tupperware parties have been replaced by sex toy parties. So the next logical step is military hardware made by .... |
| 00:55.30 | canllaith | mobtek: http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/jes.jpg |
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| 00:55.36 | canllaith | brucehoult: trust you to think of that |
| 00:56.01 | mobtek | the Jeff Stryker attack dildo! |
| 00:56.02 | canllaith | 'THIS THING IS LOADED AND MAY SHOOT ALL OVER YOU! RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!' |
| 00:56.02 | mobtek | BAHAHH |
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| 00:56.27 | mobtek | or for heavy duty, the 'Doc Johnson' 15" Destroyer |
| 00:56.30 | newbie45345 | Can somebody help me regarding KDE K Menu configuration? |
| 00:56.36 | mobtek | <-- use to work at ClubX many moons ago |
| 00:57.03 | Dhraakellian | canllaith, that just sounds.... wrong |
| 00:57.07 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: bahahahaha |
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| 00:57.28 | mobtek | ask away newbie45345 |
| 00:57.30 | canllaith | Ah well. At least I've never admitted to accidental self bukkake *smirks* |
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| 00:57.42 | Dhraakellian | newbie45345, we're terribly sorry that you had to walk in and have that as the first thing you see |
| 00:57.51 | canllaith | I guess that's what our new military should do when captured by the enemy. |
| 00:57.52 | Dhraakellian | s/see/saw |
| 00:58.43 | newbie45345 | mobtek: I'd like to assign the "Windows" key to the K Menu so that, if I pressed and released the "Windows" key, the K menu appears (like Alt+F1, but not in the center of the screen, just in the lower left, like in Windows) |
| 00:59.01 | canllaith | mmmm I think that depends if you have your win key set to be a modifier or not |
| 00:59.14 | Dhraakellian | when the prisoner gets turned on by the chains, beatings, being forced to use gnome, etc, that's scary |
| 00:59.36 | newbie45345 | These are two problems: getting the "Windows" key be recognized as key (not as modifier), and getting the "K Menu" opened at the lower left |
| 01:00.10 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: FORCED TO USE GNOME? |
| 01:00.17 | canllaith | Surely that's against the Geneva convention |
| 01:00.24 | apokryphos | dundundun |
| 01:00.39 | canllaith | since I'm the baby here and being bossed around by my elders |
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| 01:01.36 | mobtek | newbie45345: weird mine already does |
| 01:01.49 | mobtek | ahhh opps did |
| 01:01.52 | mobtek | past tense |
| 01:01.54 | newbie45345 | mobtek: get opened at the lower left? |
| 01:01.54 | mobtek | heh |
| 01:01.58 | name | anyone in here know how to automount usb storage things? |
| 01:02.03 | mobtek | newbie45345: not anymore |
| 01:02.09 | mobtek | lemme try khotkeys |
| 01:02.12 | name | the little flash ones specifically |
| 01:02.15 | newbie45345 | mobtek: you know how to configure? |
| 01:02.22 | mobtek | newbie45345: looking |
| 01:02.39 | madpenguin8 | name: you need supermount |
| 01:03.15 | name | thanks |
| 01:03.25 | name | do you have a link to a howto? |
| 01:03.33 | name | (i have google if it's not handy) |
| 01:03.44 | madpenguin8 | what distro? |
| 01:03.54 | name | gentoo |
| 01:04.08 | madpenguin8 | ahh, did you try #gentoo ? |
| 01:04.20 | name | that's probably a good idea :) |
| 01:04.25 | madpenguin8 | indeed |
| 01:04.49 | madpenguin8 | usually over 1000 nicks there, somebody is bound to know more than me |
| 01:05.03 | chrisag | geez |
| 01:05.06 | chrisag | that's a lot . |
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| 01:05.24 | name | i usually go to a gentoo subchannel just because there are so many people in #gentoo |
| 01:05.42 | mobtek | newbie45345: hmm they have changed this it's now alt-F1 |
| 01:05.51 | scrooge | ? |
| 01:05.54 | scrooge | gentoo? yes |
| 01:05.54 | mobtek | how annoying |
| 01:05.59 | scrooge | we have lots of idlers :P |
| 01:06.05 | name | madpenguin8: which distro do you use? |
| 01:06.13 | gregday | idle? who's idling? :) |
| 01:06.15 | madpenguin8 | gentoo |
| 01:06.26 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 01:06.35 | Dhraakellian | one suggestion for #gentoo |
| 01:06.41 | Dhraakellian | get involved in the convo first |
| 01:07.12 | Dhraakellian | whether that is done by answering someone else's question or by just talking |
| 01:07.20 | Dhraakellian | it seems to make your question more visible |
| 01:07.21 | newbie45345 | mobtek: Okay, but even when using Alt+F1. I get the menu in the center of the screen, not in the lower left... :-( |
| 01:07.32 | mobtek | newbie45345: weird I get it in the lower left |
| 01:07.52 | scrooge | bottom left here |
| 01:07.54 | scrooge | :) |
| 01:08.02 | scrooge | :O |
| 01:08.06 | Dhraakellian | madpenguin8, tux key? |
| 01:08.09 | scrooge | haha |
| 01:08.23 | madpenguin8 | nah, just doesnt come with one |
| 01:08.29 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
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| 01:08.58 | madpenguin8 | they have stickers for that |
| 01:09.00 | mobtek | hmm and nothing I can see in KDCOP to change it with KHotKeys either |
| 01:09.11 | Dhraakellian | madpenguin8, bah! |
| 01:09.36 | mobtek | ahh showKMenu() |
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| 01:09.52 | newbie45345 | mobtek: I have been searching for a while, but have not found a solution yet |
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| 01:10.12 | lignux | Hi |
| 01:10.18 | scrooge | hi |
| 01:10.23 | lignux | How goes? |
| 01:10.28 | scrooge | pretty good |
| 01:10.48 | scrooge | ^_^ |
| 01:10.50 | lignux | Is KDE gonna dump arts? |
| 01:11.15 | scrooge | thats wat i heard for 4.0 |
| 01:11.20 | scrooge | but then i read the release schadule |
| 01:11.20 | scrooge | lol |
| 01:11.28 | SuperL4g | Error - artsmessage sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting |
| 01:11.36 | scrooge | heh |
| 01:11.37 | lignux | Hmm |
| 01:11.37 | mobtek | newbie45345: yeah problem is you can't set a single key for an action in KHotKeys and it expects something with the WIN key |
| 01:11.38 | scrooge | SuperL4g, using dmix? |
| 01:12.00 | SuperL4g | scrooge: no |
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| 01:12.07 | mobtek | newbie45345: because you could khotkeys a new dcop call to the kicker and showKMenu() to a key |
| 01:12.15 | scrooge | SuperL4g, pure arts and no alsa or notin? |
| 01:12.16 | SuperL4g | scrooge: just a straight ALSA setup |
| 01:12.18 | scrooge | oh |
| 01:12.21 | mobtek | like win+m or something |
| 01:12.39 | SuperL4g | scrooge: like I've had it before, but it's not liking alsa this time around |
| 01:12.42 | scrooge | SuperL4g, so arts is disabled and unmerged? |
| 01:12.46 | scrooge | heh |
| 01:13.05 | SuperL4g | scrooge: I didn't think that was possible. |
| 01:13.18 | newbie45345 | mobtek: so what can be done? (I think there was a KDE version which supported this kind of user interface) |
| 01:13.19 | scrooge | it is but with one exception |
| 01:13.37 | scrooge | kdelibs MUST be built with USE="arts" for kde sound in general to work |
| 01:13.47 | mobtek | newbie45345: go to config -> Regional and Accesibility -> KHotKeys |
| 01:13.49 | scrooge | everything else can hacve -arts and work cept select few packages |
| 01:13.53 | scrooge | like kolf |
| 01:13.58 | scrooge | and couple others |
| 01:14.04 | mobtek | put a new group and call it kicker |
| 01:14.08 | SuperL4g | scrooge: from day 1, I've always heard that sound in KDE is *NOT* possible without arts |
| 01:14.12 | mobtek | add an new action to that group |
| 01:14.24 | scrooge | SuperL4g, it is possible ;) |
| 01:14.27 | scrooge | only kdelibs needs arts |
| 01:14.34 | scrooge | i've personal experience! |
| 01:14.47 | mobtek | make action type KeyboardShortbut -> DCOP call (simple) |
| 01:15.06 | mobtek | click on the keyboard shortcut tab |
| 01:15.10 | mobtek | make it whatever |
| 01:15.19 | scrooge | then again, i always used an external player (mplayer) to play kde system notification sounds |
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| 01:15.21 | mobtek | then click on the DCOP Call Settings |
| 01:15.24 | mobtek | tab |
| 01:15.35 | mobtek | for remote application put kicker |
| 01:15.35 | scrooge | but building kdelibs with arts is the only way u will access Sound System in Control Center |
| 01:15.45 | mobtek | remote object kicker |
| 01:15.56 | mobtek | called funtion: showKMenu() |
| 01:15.57 | scrooge | SuperL4g, kinda an arts-hater hack i cooked up ^_^ |
| 01:16.07 | scrooge | Dhraakellian, lol :P |
| 01:16.19 | scrooge | i have em on...arts is working flawlessly with alsa + dmix |
| 01:16.22 | mobtek | hit apply and there you go win -> whateverkey will bring up your KMenu |
| 01:16.27 | SuperL4g | scrooge: shouldn't I be out of KDE, when I'm building kdelibs? |
| 01:16.30 | mobtek | newbie45345: get most of that? |
| 01:16.37 | scrooge | SuperL4g, no |
| 01:16.43 | scrooge | when its done, just restart kde |
| 01:16.49 | newbie45345 | mobtek: okay, i assigned Alt+F6 to it |
| 01:16.56 | Dhraakellian | scrooge, I had them on for a short while when I upgraded to 3.3 |
| 01:16.59 | scrooge | i upgrade from version A to version B while in version A all the time |
| 01:17.08 | scrooge | Dhraakellian, got annoyed? |
| 01:17.14 | Dhraakellian | but I found that I was spending *way* too much time switching desktops |
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| 01:17.21 | scrooge | lol |
| 01:17.26 | scrooge | yea...that mini sound |
| 01:17.29 | mobtek | Dhraakellian: kompose :) |
| 01:17.36 | Dhraakellian | and, yeah, it's just annoying in general sometimes |
| 01:17.41 | Dhraakellian | mobtek, hmm? |
| 01:17.45 | SuperL4g | scrooge: it's weird... because I'll have sound.... I'll get that error and sound will go away, then at some random interval sound will come back |
| 01:17.49 | gde | hi ... i use gentoo and im trying to install kde 3.4 ... but my taskbar simply doent apear ... someone can help me ? |
| 01:17.57 | scrooge | yea |
| 01:17.59 | scrooge | heh |
| 01:18.00 | mobtek | make it do weird sounds as well, some sort of zooming :) |
| 01:18.10 | mobtek | or whoosing :) |
| 01:18.17 | mobtek | whooshing even |
| 01:18.19 | SuperL4g | so if arts is supposed to go away, what will replace it? |
| 01:18.21 | mobtek | newbie45345: did that help? |
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| 01:18.39 | newbie45345 | mobtek: I can call "showKMenu()" using the KDCOP method browser |
| 01:18.41 | mobtek | newbie45345: they prolly moved away from supporting that win key |
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| 01:19.15 | mobtek | yuppers in put that in the called funtion section of the DCOP Call Settings tab |
| 01:19.16 | bruno- | I just updated to 3.4 but when I use kaffeine (and some other applications), I get the following errors in the console: |
| 01:19.16 | bruno- | kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype video/x-mpeg not found |
| 01:19.16 | bruno- | kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype video/x-mpeg2 not found |
| 01:19.20 | bruno- | ... |
| 01:19.24 | newbie45345 | mobtek: but apparently something I entered (maybe "remote object?") is wrong, |
| 01:19.32 | bruno- | anyone any ideas? |
| 01:19.32 | scrooge | erhm |
| 01:19.50 | mobtek | ahh just leave remote object blank :) |
| 01:19.54 | SuperL4g | an estimated 46 minutes to install kdelibs |
| 01:19.58 | scrooge | lol |
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| 01:20.04 | SuperL4g | but I want my music NOOOOOWWWW!!! |
| 01:20.09 | mobtek | newbie45345: sorry put kicker in remote object :) |
| 01:20.14 | newbie45345 | mobtek: okay, I got it :-) |
| 01:20.16 | mobtek | newbie45345: I'm a dill :) |
| 01:20.24 | newbie45345 | "kicker" "kicker" showKMenu()" |
| 01:20.29 | mobtek | yuppers |
| 01:20.32 | mobtek | no args |
| 01:20.59 | newbie45345 | fine, so now I only need to know how to tell KDE to call this method when the "windows" key is released |
| 01:21.09 | mobtek | newbie45345: hehehe |
| 01:21.39 | newbie45345 | I'm pretty impressed about KDCOP and that all |
| 01:22.07 | mobtek | newbie45345: yeah it rocks |
| 01:22.16 | mobtek | newbie45345: you can customise soooo much stuff :) |
| 01:22.26 | newbie45345 | mobtek: when you know, how :-) |
| 01:22.36 | mobtek | newbie45345: kekek |
| 01:22.52 | newbie45345 | mobtek: Is it possible to have a "hybrid" between "modifier" and "non-modifier-key"? |
| 01:22.57 | SuperL4g | !@##!@!@#!~@#@!#@!#@!# |
| 01:23.08 | mobtek | newbie45345: dunno, I haven't tried that yet |
| 01:23.38 | newbie45345 | mobtek: eg: "Windows+E" should launch konqueror, but "Windows" alone should launch the K menu... |
| 01:23.50 | mobtek | you have to set your X modifier mapping in xorg.conf or something? |
| 01:24.12 | mobtek | then kde shortcuts can see the win key perhaps? |
| 01:24.17 | newbie45345 | mobtek: up to now: no, I did not set anything special |
| 01:24.24 | newbie45345 | mobtek: yes, but only as modifier |
| 01:24.24 | mobtek | newbie45345: me either heheh |
| 01:24.31 | mobtek | newbie45345: *nod* |
| 01:24.36 | mobtek | ok walking to the shops |
| 01:24.39 | scrooge | SuperL4g, cant use cli stuff? lol |
| 01:24.39 | mobtek | need some smokes :) |
| 01:24.47 | newbie45345 | so "Windows alone" does not work :-( |
| 01:24.57 | mobtek | nope |
| 01:25.10 | mobtek | not any more by the looks of it :( |
| 01:25.27 | newbie45345 | This is pretty annoying. |
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| 01:26.37 | newbie45345 | (because, regarding the versatility of KDE, I expected configurability in this exact case) |
| 01:26.50 | mobtek | newbie45345: same |
| 01:27.00 | mobtek | hmm lemme look for bug reports |
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| 01:27.34 | phxguy | Can Somebody in here help me with my screensavers??? |
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| 01:27.48 | SuperL4g | scrooge: why does calling xmms from the command line work? |
| 01:27.58 | SuperL4g | scrooge: OSS emulation? |
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| 01:30.06 | scrooge | SuperL4g, possible |
| 01:30.24 | scrooge | uses OSS by default on first use |
| 01:31.38 | newbie45345 | test |
| 01:32.30 | scrooge | vest |
| 01:32.49 | Dhraakellian | guest |
| 01:33.19 | Curalton | uhm.. how do i make the 3.4 digital clock less "fat" again as in 3.3 |
| 01:33.34 | Curalton | as in the left old screenshot: http://www.hetepsenusret.net/files/tmp/KClock.png |
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| 01:37.43 | The_Ball | what tools exist to syncronise a kde profile with a laptop, and backwards when stuff has been updated on the laptop? |
| 01:38.11 | Curalton | rsync, unison |
| 01:38.17 | Curalton | maybe one day novells iFolder |
| 01:38.43 | Curalton | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7712 <- article about unison |
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| 01:39.48 | newbie45345 | mobtek: did you find anything? |
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| 01:41.58 | mobtek | newbie45345: nope sorry |
| 01:42.17 | mobtek | ask in kde-devel if they know what the go is with that |
| 01:43.04 | newbie45345 | mobtek: Thank you for you help, I'll try to ask. |
| 01:43.55 | The_Ball | Curalton, i use unison daily, but i was hoping for a more specific kde app that would allow you more fine grained controll over what to sync |
| 01:44.13 | newbie45345 | mobtek: Maybe I should rewrite the KDE key handling system to something more flexible, where key shortcuts are just specified by "press Windows, release Windows" or "press Windows, press E" |
| 01:44.59 | madpenguin8 | unison sounds an awful lot like cvs |
| 01:45.24 | The_Ball | madpenguin8, it's very unsimillar |
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| 01:45.53 | madpenguin8 | it synchroizes multiple changes no? |
| 01:46.23 | newbie45345 | mobtek: so the user explicitly specifies the sequence of keys to be pressed r |
| 01:46.25 | The_Ball | madpenguin8, yes, but no revision controll |
| 01:46.42 | newbie45345 | mobtek: or released (a sequence of "key events") to be matched |
| 01:46.43 | Curalton | The_Ball: ah, i see. no idea then, i myself use rsync to do backups onto my ibook |
| 01:46.44 | madpenguin8 | what has no revision control, unison? |
| 01:47.04 | The_Ball | madpenguin8, yes, did you think i ment cvs? |
| 01:47.21 | madpenguin8 | yeah, I was starting to wonder.... |
| 01:48.11 | mobtek | no probs newbie45345 |
| 01:48.40 | scrooge | hey, is this a good read to learn sum stuff about kde development? http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop3/creating.html |
| 01:48.53 | newbie45345 | mobtek: But I won't have the time for that... :-( |
| 01:48.55 | scrooge | or are there updated ones somewhere thta somebody wrote? |
| 01:49.25 | madpenguin8 | scrooge: that should be fairly up to date |
| 01:49.35 | scrooge | yea its kde 3 and kdevelop 3 |
| 01:49.40 | Tpo1 | whats up with Kate and all these crashes? |
| 01:49.58 | annma | ? |
| 01:50.06 | annma | no crashes at all here |
| 01:50.13 | annma | I use Kate all day long |
| 01:50.22 | annma | Tpo1: run kate from konsole |
| 01:50.28 | Tpo1 | k |
| 01:50.28 | madpenguin8 | kate sucks on big files it seems :/ |
| 01:50.35 | annma | when it crashes, see the output |
| 01:50.42 | annma | madpenguin8: does it? |
| 01:50.55 | madpenguin8 | 10MB xml file and it takes ages to scroll 10-20 lines |
| 01:51.01 | annma | scrooge: of course this is very good |
| 01:51.09 | annma | scrooge: I wrote it :)))) |
| 01:51.14 | scrooge | annma, :D:D:D |
| 01:51.26 | scrooge | annma, i was hoping to find the writer ^_^ |
| 01:51.29 | scrooge | so far, tis all good |
| 01:51.33 | annma | scrooge: it's still good even if slightly outdated |
| 01:51.40 | scrooge | ya |
| 01:51.59 | annma | if you do it, you're making a good start in kde devel |
| 01:52.04 | annma | I started like that |
| 01:52.05 | Tpo1 | kate forked when I launched from the console |
| 01:52.08 | madpenguin8 | annma: scrolling through the xml file is way too slow |
| 01:52.10 | scrooge | cool |
| 01:52.16 | annma | madpenguin8: bah |
| 01:52.24 | madpenguin8 | annma: seriously |
| 01:52.38 | annma | slow compared to what? |
| 01:52.45 | annma | madpenguin8: slow means nothing |
| 01:53.01 | madpenguin8 | slow as in I feal I'm behind a pentium 133 |
| 01:53.05 | annma | you've gotta get figures here |
| 01:53.09 | scrooge | heh |
| 01:53.27 | madpenguin8 | takes ~30sec to redraw on scroll |
| 01:53.37 | annma | madpenguin8: use emacs then |
| 01:53.45 | annma | I love Kate |
| 01:53.46 | madpenguin8 | heh, but I like kate |
| 01:54.01 | The_Ball | madpenguin8, nah emacs is to complicated, use vim ;) |
| 01:54.02 | annma | Kate is perfect for me |
| 01:54.09 | madpenguin8 | and I don't have too many 10MB xml files |
| 01:54.11 | annma | emacs or vim, yeah |
| 01:54.24 | annma | are those quick in vim? |
| 01:54.37 | scrooge | vim and emacs scare me! |
| 01:55.02 | annma | scrooge: same here, all those ctrl things in vim! |
| 01:55.06 | madpenguin8 | annma: don't think I have either installed, kinda a kde guy here ;p |
| 01:55.10 | scrooge | yes! :S |
| 01:55.17 | scrooge | hehe |
| 01:55.33 | annma | madpenguin8: try to get some precise facts and file a bug report |
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| 01:55.48 | madpenguin8 | annma: okies |
| 01:55.59 | annma | must be backed with facts |
| 01:56.09 | The_Ball | annma, yeah it can be a bit to learn, but so effective when you start getting used to it. it's a shame that the kvim component is dead for the moment |
| 01:56.12 | scrooge | kyzis? |
| 01:56.17 | Tpo1 | I should install gdb |
| 01:56.20 | annma | The_Ball: bah |
| 01:56.27 | annma | vim and emacs are for geeks |
| 01:56.33 | annma | I am modern |
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| 01:56.36 | scrooge | haha |
| 01:56.41 | Dhraakellian | scrooge, kde frontend for yzis |
| 01:56.51 | madpenguin8 | vim and emacs are for those who have the time to learn another OS |
| 01:56.52 | scrooge | yzis?? |
| 01:56.54 | Dhraakellian | yzis is new vi/vim clone in the works |
| 01:56.59 | scrooge | ohh |
| 01:57.00 | annma | yzis is a vim-like editor |
| 01:57.07 | The_Ball | is that what they call it, everybody here know's ur a geeg annma ;) |
| 01:57.22 | annma | The_Ball: lol, not really |
| 01:57.32 | annma | I am the anti-geek |
| 01:57.45 | annma | I have the glasses, that's all |
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| 01:58.03 | annma | and sometimes the fuzzy hair |
| 01:58.08 | scrooge | :P |
| 01:58.09 | annma | (often) |
| 01:58.30 | annma | I wear Jeans but designer ones |
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| 01:59.02 | scrooge | wat irc clients yall use? |
| 01:59.12 | scrooge | currently i use xchat but am always looking for alternatives |
| 01:59.18 | lignux | irssi, but normally konversation |
| 01:59.19 | The_Ball | scrooge, trying to start a flamewar? |
| 01:59.28 | scrooge | flame? |
| 01:59.40 | scrooge | i didnt say <insert client here> is wack |
| 01:59.42 | annma | scrooge: konversation is a KDE xchat clone |
| 01:59.47 | scrooge | i just asked for opinions :/ |
| 01:59.53 | scrooge | annma, cool |
| 02:00.26 | annma | scrooge: IRC clients are like editor: everyone thinks his is the best |
| 02:00.47 | scrooge | annma, yea, suppose so :/ |
| 02:00.47 | annma | KSirc all the way |
| 02:00.51 | scrooge | sorry i asked :( |
| 02:00.59 | annma | scrooge: no, no, that's cool |
| 02:01.03 | scrooge | :) |
| 02:01.05 | annma | see, we're all cool |
| 02:01.09 | scrooge | hehe |
| 02:01.16 | chavo | Dhraakellian, I just updated konversation today. |
| 02:01.17 | madpenguin8 | hmm |
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| 02:01.40 | The_Ball | yeah, i use irssi for text-only, xchat or kopete for gui |
| 02:01.40 | scrooge | haha |
| 02:01.52 | scrooge | i use irssi in ssh + screen :S |
| 02:01.53 | annma | irssi, yzis |
| 02:02.02 | scrooge | from my cell phone! |
| 02:02.02 | scrooge | haha |
| 02:02.06 | scrooge | sidekick2 :) |
| 02:02.15 | The_Ball | scrooge, ssh + screen + irssi = idlers delight |
| 02:02.20 | scrooge | :P |
| 02:02.22 | scrooge | #idlerpg |
| 02:02.25 | scrooge | i must sign up soon |
| 02:02.38 | madpenguin8 | annma: takes 1 minute 10 secs to move the slider from the middle of the file to the end |
| 02:02.55 | Dhraakellian | annma, I still use xchat and gvim most of the time |
| 02:02.58 | annma | madpenguin8: weee, what kde version? |
| 02:03.04 | annma | madpenguin8: how big the file? |
| 02:03.17 | madpenguin8 | annma: 10.2MB and 3.4 final |
| 02:03.31 | annma | madpenguin8: you should split that file! it makes no sense! |
| 02:03.45 | madpenguin8 | annma: it's a test playlist for amarok |
| 02:03.46 | annma | madpenguin8: try with another editor, seriously |
| 02:04.11 | annma | weee, I don't want to see amarok load that |
| 02:04.21 | annma | compiles? you're a G guy? |
| 02:04.28 | madpenguin8 | yeah |
| 02:04.44 | annma | weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:04.58 | annma | <- thta's an annma anguish cry |
| 02:05.10 | madpenguin8 | hey, I'm not a typical gentoo ricer |
| 02:05.25 | annma | madpenguin8: good! |
| 02:05.33 | madpenguin8 | I use gentoo for the package management |
| 02:05.34 | annma | do you compile kde with arts then? |
| 02:05.38 | madpenguin8 | yes |
| 02:05.43 | annma | wow |
| 02:05.54 | annma | definitively not a ricer then |
| 02:05.55 | madpenguin8 | had to, need knotify support |
| 02:05.59 | The_Ball | madpenguin8, so are you bellow or above typical? ;) |
| 02:06.07 | annma | above abve |
| 02:06.08 | madpenguin8 | above |
| 02:06.20 | madpenguin8 | ouch |
| 02:06.24 | annma | the arts tess says it all |
| 02:06.28 | annma | test |
| 02:06.29 | madpenguin8 | emacs doesnt build :/ |
| 02:06.33 | annma | lol |
| 02:06.39 | annma | vim |
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| 02:07.16 | madpenguin8 | already started |
| 02:07.58 | The_Ball | annma, yeah, well arts is rather redundant if you have a soundcard with hw mixing |
| 02:08.16 | annma | arts is necessary for some KDE sounds |
| 02:08.23 | scrooge | yes |
| 02:08.24 | annma | not all but some |
| 02:08.27 | madpenguin8 | annma: works ok in nano |
| 02:08.29 | The_Ball | annma, really, which? |
| 02:08.34 | scrooge | kolf is one |
| 02:08.35 | annma | The_Ball: mine |
| 02:08.40 | annma | KLettres |
| 02:08.45 | annma | needs aRts |
| 02:09.02 | annma | probably some games as well |
| 02:09.15 | The_Ball | i see |
| 02:09.19 | scrooge | yea, only like 3 or 4 ofg the games in kdegames need it |
| 02:09.23 | scrooge | of^^ |
| 02:09.47 | annma | others have no sound maybe |
| 02:10.11 | annma | I'd like to know of a kdegames which can play sounds without arts |
| 02:10.12 | madpenguin8 | like I said, I only built with arts for knotify |
| 02:10.18 | annma | to get the code |
| 02:10.27 | madpenguin8 | annma: there is one |
| 02:10.33 | annma | which one? |
| 02:10.39 | thiago | I think only kdemultimedia apps (and amarok) can use other sound systems |
| 02:10.49 | annma | hiya thiago |
| 02:10.58 | madpenguin8 | annma: one sec |
| 02:11.02 | The_Ball | can i concatenate two konqueror bookmark to get all the bookmarks? |
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| 02:11.11 | annma | thiago: I also think so |
| 02:11.11 | nickv111 | Hello. |
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| 02:11.40 | madpenguin8 | annma: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=21802 |
| 02:11.55 | annma | madpenguin8: I was speaking of official modules |
| 02:12.14 | annma | what is nas? |
| 02:12.31 | thiago | Network Audio System I think |
| 02:13.02 | annma | so the user must have that? |
| 02:13.03 | nickv111 | I got the CVS KDE_3_4_0_RELEASE branch of kdelibs, and it fails while compiling on debian gnu/linux on the powerpc platform |
| 02:13.16 | Tpo1 | nas=network audio server |
| 02:13.32 | Tpo1 | like xwindows, but for audio |
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| 02:14.36 | nickv111 | Let me get the error... |
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| 02:15.35 | madpenguin8 | annma: vim works ok to |
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| 02:16.27 | The_Ball | Tpo1, i have read a bit about nas, does it work well for you? |
| 02:16.42 | Tpo1 | works fine here |
| 02:17.30 | Tpo1 | something depends on it is why I installed it |
| 02:18.35 | The_Ball | Tpo1, but do you use it accross your network= |
| 02:18.46 | Tpo1 | no |
| 02:19.10 | Tpo1 | you could though, same as you could access the X 'Client' across the network |
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| 02:19.43 | The_Ball | Tpo1, i know, just wanted to know if you had done it |
| 02:19.47 | annma | what do you need to get nas? |
| 02:19.54 | annma | as package or source? |
| 02:19.59 | Tpo1 | NAS depends on X windows |
| 02:20.05 | Tpo1 | I only do source heh |
| 02:20.24 | Tpo1 | http://nas.codebrilliance.com/nas/nas-1.6.src.tar.gz |
| 02:21.17 | Tpo1 | also, add init scrips |
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| 02:21.36 | annma | so the average joe-user won;t have that |
| 02:22.10 | The_Ball | annma, i bet most distros package it |
| 02:22.39 | annma | because having dependencies on that is not really better than arts |
| 02:22.42 | Tpo1 | I don't know anything about distros |
| 02:22.52 | annma | arts at least is shipped with KDE |
| 02:23.05 | Tpo1 | kde depends on arts |
| 02:23.10 | thiago | yes |
| 02:23.10 | Tpo1 | its the first package you build |
| 02:23.19 | The_Ball | annma, nas is made by the x11 people, and needs "a complete x11 build environment" |
| 02:23.29 | nickv111 | Arts is too slow |
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| 02:23.58 | annma | nickv111: lol |
| 02:24.07 | Tpo1 | NAS needs basic X11, same as KDE |
| 02:25.02 | nickv111 | It's not an aRts sucks debate. Or, at least I am giving a reason why it does. |
| 02:25.02 | The_Ball | talking about sound, i just setup a bluetooth headset with a bluetooth 100m usb dongle, and that gives me coverage around the whole house, and it pops up just like a alsa sound card, and works great with skype |
| 02:25.03 | annma | Tpo1: except a kde user is likely to have arts |
| 02:25.05 | thiago | ok, let me sum it up: |
| 02:25.16 | thiago | aRts sucks, aRts depends on glib, aRts is KDE's Sound System |
| 02:25.17 | Tpo1 | a KDE user *must* have arts |
| 02:25.23 | annma | Tpo1: hmm, no |
| 02:25.28 | Tpo1 | you can't install KDE unless you have aRTS |
| 02:25.28 | scrooge | Tpo1, no |
| 02:25.29 | thiago | that won't change until KDE 4, so live with it |
| 02:25.32 | scrooge | yes u can |
| 02:25.34 | annma | Tpo1: wrong! |
| 02:25.36 | thiago | Tpo1: --disable-arts |
| 02:25.45 | nickv111 | AHA! |
| 02:25.51 | scrooge | the |
| 02:25.58 | annma | Tpo1: that's the problem! users especially Gentoo don;t build it |
| 02:26.01 | scrooge | sound wont work, but it will compile...lol |
| 02:26.08 | Tpo1 | kdelib will fail to build if it can't find aRTS |
| 02:26.09 | scrooge | annma, LOL your right! |
| 02:26.14 | scrooge | Tpo1, lies! |
| 02:26.21 | annma | it's in Gentoo docs that arts is not needed |
| 02:26.25 | scrooge | i've done it before |
| 02:26.25 | scrooge | i use gentoo |
| 02:26.43 | thiago | you can use --disable-arts |
| 02:26.47 | thiago | just don't expect sound to work |
| 02:26.49 | Tpo1 | well, thats nice I guess |
| 02:26.50 | scrooge | i have first hand knowledge! USE="-arts" emerge kdelibs |
| 02:26.51 | scrooge | wont fail |
| 02:26.58 | scrooge | ^_^ |
| 02:27.02 | The_Ball | annma, what distro are you using? |
| 02:27.04 | scrooge | somebody give me a cookie? |
| 02:27.10 | Tpo1 | whatever the fuck emerge means |
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| 02:27.16 | annma | The_Ball: I compile KDE from cvs with aRts |
| 02:27.28 | sarah03 | Tpo1: 'emerge' is the Gentoo package management tool. |
| 02:27.29 | annma | the rest is no matter |
| 02:27.36 | sarah03 | [The frontend to Portage.] |
| 02:27.42 | scrooge | emerge is portage |
| 02:27.47 | The_Ball | annma, thats not what i asked, but ok |
| 02:27.48 | Tpo1 | distros are for gimps... build it yourself |
| 02:28.10 | annma | The_Ball: that's all that matters here |
| 02:28.19 | Crell | Question. Does the Kmail/Kontact in KDE 3.4 allow you to configure server-side mail filters? |
| 02:28.23 | The_Ball | Tpo1, living without a package manager seems a bit like living in the past |
| 02:28.36 | thiago | Crell: sieve? |
| 02:28.57 | The_Ball | Crell, i believe it does over imap |
| 02:29.11 | Crell | thiago: I have heard of it and thought it sounded right, but couldn't find any useful documentation on it when I was setting up my server. |
| 02:29.23 | Crell | Yes, IMAP server or a groupware server. |
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| 02:33.07 | thiago | Crell: well, I don't think you can |
| 02:33.09 | thiago | I know there's no sieve editor |
| 02:33.36 | Crell | Hm. |
| 02:33.45 | Crell | There's a "Server supports sieve" option, but that's it. |
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| 02:35.09 | thiago | you can't edit it using Kontact |
| 02:35.15 | thiago | I don't know how editing sieve works |
| 02:35.38 | Crell | Joy. All I could find when Googling back in January was vague references to config files with ugly manual syntax. :-) |
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| 02:36.14 | suni | hello |
| 02:36.15 | suni | um |
| 02:36.22 | Crell | Also, when I first opened Kontact, there was a link on its welcome page to configure for a groupware server. However, I can't get that page back now and don't see a wizard anywhere. |
| 02:37.18 | suni | upgrading to 3.4 creates a few error from 3.3, but a clean 3.4 setup is fine, for example devices/menus etc are wrong..anytips? |
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| 02:38.09 | Tpo1 | ooOO nice... Kontact has an RSS client |
| 02:38.42 | suni | theres obviously some incompatble things between 3.4 and 3.3 correct? |
| 02:38.47 | thiago | Tpo1: akregator :) |
| 02:38.54 | thiago | suni: what do you mean? |
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| 02:39.41 | oneforall | damn 20000 pict in a folder and konq just hang(freezes ) quits reponding . ugh |
| 02:39.48 | suni | konqueror has an entry for devices that doesn't work..but a clean 3.4 doesn't show this option at all.. i suspect the old 3.3 .kde isn't compatible with 3.4? |
| 02:40.50 | thiago | suni: not really |
| 02:40.57 | suni | they only thing i can think of is copying accross some rc's, doing a fresh 3.4 setup and coming the rc's back (for kmail,bookmarks etc). |
| 02:40.59 | thiago | it's probably an entry you've added or somehow modified |
| 02:41.14 | thiago | if you hadn't, it would have vanished |
| 02:41.16 | suni | well not likely..its on 2 desktops here. |
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| 02:41.27 | thiago | just erase that entry |
| 02:41.29 | oneforall | how can I get konq to work with lots of files in a folder ? |
| 02:41.37 | thiago | or make it point to media:/ |
| 02:41.43 | thiago | oneforall: how many is lots? |
| 02:41.52 | suni | hmm |
| 02:41.54 | oneforall | 20000 |
| 02:41.58 | oneforall | or more |
| 02:42.03 | thiago | oneforall: detailed list view mode? |
| 02:42.05 | thiago | or icon? |
| 02:42.07 | oneforall | its just not reponding |
| 02:42.12 | scrooge | :( |
| 02:42.18 | scrooge | kdevelop cant find my kde headers |
| 02:42.26 | oneforall | yup not icons just detailed list |
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| 02:42.27 | thiago | oneforall: can you ls that directory? |
| 02:42.27 | scrooge | where is this set? in configure? |
| 02:42.36 | suni | thiago, does konq navigation panel suppose to have a devices entry? |
| 02:42.41 | thiago | scrooge: yes, configure --prefix=/prefix/to/kde |
| 02:42.51 | thiago | suni: it's supposed to have a media:/ entry now |
| 02:43.00 | scrooge | thiago, how would i do that when its a menu button? |
| 02:43.20 | oneforall | oh yeah mc is no problem but I want to go into it from konq and click on the jpg :) to see it they are getting edited proper and if not stop it :) |
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| 02:43.27 | scrooge | erhm, not to sound smartass or anything |
| 02:43.36 | oneforall | see it/see if |
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| 02:43.49 | thiago | scrooge: huh? |
| 02:43.58 | suni | thiago, do i delete the devices entry? |
| 02:44.02 | thiago | suni: yes |
| 02:44.04 | suni | k |
| 02:44.07 | thiago | suni: or change it to media:/ |
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| 02:44.25 | pankey | checking for KDE... \nconfigure: error:\nin the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.\nSo, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 02:44.47 | thiago | pankey: there must be a place where you can write the prefix |
| 02:44.49 | oneforall | like now I clicked on it 5min ago and when I bring it to the fg the corner that xchat coverted is a all blank not reponding |
| 02:45.05 | pankey | hmm |
| 02:45.12 | pankey | i'll look around :/ |
| 02:45.17 | pankey | annma, ping? |
| 02:45.31 | thiago | oneforall: it's probably doing something that takes some time |
| 02:45.36 | annma | pankey: yes? |
| 02:45.37 | thiago | 20k files is an awful lot |
| 02:45.48 | oneforall | Window with title "321728472 - Konqueror" is not responding. This window belongs to application konqueror |
| 02:45.57 | suni | aggh man |
| 02:46.11 | oneforall | too long :( |
| 02:46.12 | pankey | annma, i think i found it :) |
| 02:46.21 | pankey | should --prefix need to be set in kdevelop? |
| 02:46.37 | oneforall | like old 386 days for 100 files and come back in 6hrs lol |
| 02:46.41 | annma | yes if not in your .bashrc |
| 02:46.44 | suni | thiago, system navigation panel, has a devices tree, when u click on it is says "protocal not supported - devices" |
| 02:46.51 | pankey | annma, ahh ok |
| 02:47.11 | thiago | suni: remove it |
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| 02:48.29 | suni | thiago, i already did, i removed everything..then "Rollback to system defaults" |
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| 02:49.07 | anrxc | hello, where does (if it does) kde store information about it's K Menu? |
| 02:49.33 | anrxc | if someon can help |
| 02:49.33 | thiago | anrxc: what kind of information? |
| 02:49.47 | thiago | the bookmarks, the preferences, or the menus themselves? |
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| 02:49.52 | anrxc | about apps in the menu, icons that they use etc |
| 02:49.57 | suni | i need to know if anyone has a "devices" option in the navigation bar, its not working here can you tell me if its working for you? |
| 02:50.35 | Crell | suni: KDE 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 02:50.35 | anrxc | the "main" K menu that is situated on the panel |
| 02:50.41 | suni | Crell, 3.4 |
| 02:50.57 | Crell | It works fine for me in 3.3, but that's no help to you, I guess. :) |
| 02:50.58 | oneforall | so no way to config konq to speed it up |
| 02:50.58 | thiago | suni: what do you mean by "navigation bar"? |
| 02:51.12 | thiago | anrxc: well, they are a collection of .desktop files collected all over |
| 02:51.21 | suni | thiago, navigation "panel" to the left of konqueror. |
| 02:51.24 | thiago | anrxc: from $KDEDIR/share/applnk, $KDEHOME/share/applnk |
| 02:51.39 | anrxc | thiago, tnx |
| 02:51.45 | thiago | suni: mine points to media:/ |
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| 02:52.01 | thiago | anrxc: also from ~/.local/share/applications and $KDEDIRS/share/applications |
| 02:52.22 | suni | thiago, if you click on that "spanner" you can add more panels. |
| 02:52.51 | thiago | suni: yes |
| 02:52.52 | thiago | suni: what of it? |
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| 02:53.51 | suni | thiago, do you have anything in there tha refers to you devices or those in "/etc/mtab or fstab" ? |
| 02:53.58 | thiago | suni: no |
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| 02:54.10 | suni | hmm |
| 02:54.27 | thiago | suni: mine is hardly a clean system |
| 02:54.32 | thiago | I have been upgrading KDE since 3.0 or so |
| 02:54.40 | suni | how are users going to mount devices then? |
| 02:54.53 | thiago | suni: click on the devices (media:/) icon and then on the device |
| 02:55.34 | Crell | This system started on 2.2.2 in Debian Woody. :-) |
| 02:55.34 | suni | thiago, wheres that? |
| 02:55.34 | suni | i don't have that at all :/ |
| 02:55.34 | thiago | suni: on the sidebar |
| 02:55.38 | Tpo1 | mount /dev/hdd2 /mnt/hdd2 |
| 02:55.39 | Crell | Now on 3.3.x. Debian's not going to 3.4 until next year. |
| 02:55.41 | suni | whats the icon look like? |
| 02:55.46 | Tpo1 | look ma, no fstab |
| 02:55.49 | thiago | suni: three coloured boxes |
| 02:56.02 | suni | don't even have that.. |
| 02:56.05 | thiago | suni: I've told you more than once: place there a button for media:/ |
| 02:56.11 | Tpo1 | mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda /media/cdrom |
| 02:56.16 | suni | theres no option for it thiago |
| 02:56.24 | scrooge | whoa...qt designer is crazy. text gets distorted whenever sumtin moves around on screen! |
| 02:56.26 | thiago | suni: do you have the spanner? |
| 02:56.30 | suni | yes |
| 02:56.55 | thiago | suni: click it. Add new, Folder, Folder |
| 02:57.05 | thiago | right click the blue folder that was added, Set URL |
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| 02:57.50 | suni | thiago, set url? |
| 02:57.55 | suni | to what? |
| 02:58.22 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 02:58.28 | thiago | I've told you the URL about 6 times already |
| 02:58.32 | thiago | are you even paying attention? |
| 02:58.34 | thiago | media:/ |
| 02:58.38 | slayerbob | i cannot seem to find the laptop power management controls in kcontrol :S |
| 02:58.51 | suni | thiago, media: does not exist |
| 02:58.58 | scrooge | power managament |
| 02:58.59 | thiago | including the end slash? |
| 02:59.06 | suni | oh |
| 02:59.08 | suni | ty :P |
| 02:59.11 | scrooge | power control |
| 02:59.14 | scrooge | laptop battery |
| 02:59.15 | choisy | slayerbob: you don't have a 'power control' entry there? |
| 02:59.17 | scrooge | that one^^ |
| 02:59.29 | slayerbob | choisy: nope |
| 02:59.33 | scrooge | gentoo? |
| 02:59.44 | slayerbob | canllaith kde install |
| 02:59.47 | scrooge | slayerbob, ^^ ? |
| 02:59.52 | scrooge | oh |
| 02:59.53 | scrooge | ? |
| 02:59.55 | slayerbob | what does "power control" live under ? |
| 03:00.00 | choisy | nothing |
| 03:00.06 | choisy | it's 'root' :p |
| 03:00.07 | suni | thiago, so sorry..don't 100things at once today :) |
| 03:00.10 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 03:00.10 | scrooge | in gentoo, its klaptopdaemon |
| 03:00.11 | suni | thans for you help. |
| 03:00.14 | scrooge | hmm |
| 03:00.21 | slayerbob | ok she must have left that out or i have not set it up correctly :S |
| 03:00.58 | scrooge | slayerbob, kdeutils-3.4.0.tar.bz2 |
| 03:01.02 | scrooge | its in kdeutils |
| 03:01.16 | choisy | slayerbob: did she give you slack packages? |
| 03:01.20 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:01.21 | slayerbob | nope |
| 03:01.28 | slayerbob | i think i shall just install kde myself |
| 03:01.35 | slayerbob | there keep on being things missing from it that i use all the time |
| 03:03.41 | lignux | Dammit distcc, why don't you work ! |
| 03:03.54 | scrooge | heh |
| 03:03.58 | scrooge | u have many computers? |
| 03:04.01 | lignux | 2 |
| 03:04.06 | scrooge | it increased my compile time by 30 minutes |
| 03:04.12 | lignux | My main box is 500 MHz |
| 03:04.17 | scrooge | heh |
| 03:04.20 | lignux | My other computer is 2.2 GHz |
| 03:04.22 | lignux | So... |
| 03:04.31 | scrooge | i tried that with mines |
| 03:04.38 | Tpo1 | lignux, env | grep DISTCC_HOSTS |
| 03:04.40 | scrooge | 500mhz k6-2 and 2600+ barton |
| 03:04.51 | scrooge | still took longer then normally compiling... |
| 03:04.57 | slayerbob | i would not be worth doing |
| 03:04.59 | scrooge | then i tried with this laptop and the 2600+ |
| 03:05.00 | slayerbob | *it |
| 03:05.13 | scrooge | exactly |
| 03:05.13 | lignux | Tpo1: sleek |
| 03:05.13 | scrooge | i said to hell with it |
| 03:05.18 | Tpo1 | did it return anything? |
| 03:05.18 | lignux | Tpo1: The name of my other computer |
| 03:05.23 | Tpo1 | kk... |
| 03:05.24 | slayerbob | even if it worked flawlessly you would only expect maybe a 5% gain in speed over the barton alone... |
| 03:05.32 | Tpo1 | whats it doing when you try to use it? |
| 03:05.56 | Tpo1 | btw, mine returns '192.168.1.101 127.0.0.1' |
| 03:06.08 | scrooge | slayerbob, yea |
| 03:06.09 | lignux | Tpo1: It compiles as if I didn't specify CC=distcc |
| 03:06.13 | scrooge | its a nice concept tho :/ |
| 03:06.18 | scrooge | just doesnt work for me at all |
| 03:06.43 | lignux | Tpo1: How am I supposed to run distccd --daemon? |
| 03:06.47 | lignux | Tpo1: What goes after --allow |
| 03:07.06 | scrooge | the remote hosts ip |
| 03:07.08 | Tpo1 | distccd --daemon -a 127.0.0.1 |
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| 03:07.17 | Tpo1 | client's IP addresses |
| 03:07.39 | Tpo1 | afaik, it won't work on C++ builds, just C builds |
| 03:07.51 | scrooge | works with c++ also |
| 03:07.51 | Tpo1 | something to do with functional name mangling, I dunno |
| 03:08.16 | scrooge | kde is c++ and it works with kde |
| 03:08.17 | scrooge | :P |
| 03:08.21 | scrooge | just slowly :( |
| 03:08.23 | Tpo1 | heh |
| 03:08.35 | oggb4mp3 | Does anybody know what config file would set a root window image |
| 03:08.43 | lignux | Tpo1: I'm building KDE which it said that it could |
| 03:08.47 | oggb4mp3 | background image |
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| 03:09.33 | kilrae | wow, fluxbox starts really fast |
| 03:09.34 | pankey | heh |
| 03:09.39 | Tpo1 | k, well, most gnome builds, for instance, will fail if you try to use distcc |
| 03:09.41 | scrooge | fluxbox is like nothing |
| 03:09.46 | Tpo1 | -tag errors |
| 03:09.48 | lignux | Tpo1: Ok |
| 03:09.52 | lignux | Tpo1: What do I do? |
| 03:09.56 | kilrae | if kde didn't look so pretty when it started i'd be mad |
| 03:10.06 | scrooge | :P |
| 03:10.09 | Tpo1 | make -j 8 CC=distcc |
| 03:10.24 | Tpo1 | and if it doesn't work, don't use distcc |
| 03:11.24 | lignux | if I type distccmon-text and it returns an empty line, does that mean it isn't working? |
| 03:11.50 | scrooge | are u compiling atm> |
| 03:11.51 | scrooge | ? |
| 03:11.52 | Tpo1 | do distccmon-text 1 |
| 03:12.04 | Tpo1 | start the compile in another window |
| 03:12.24 | scrooge | sometimes you should set the dir on the command line also for it to work |
| 03:12.30 | lignux | It keeps printing empty lines |
| 03:12.32 | scrooge | happend to me in gentoo |
| 03:12.39 | lignux | The dir on the command line? |
| 03:12.56 | kilrae | why didn't my bootsplash work? |
| 03:12.59 | thiago | don't use distcc |
| 03:13.02 | thiago | use icecream |
| 03:13.07 | scrooge | icecream!? |
| 03:13.14 | scrooge | DISTCC_DIR="/var/tmp/portage/.distcc" distccmon-text 1 |
| 03:13.18 | scrooge | for me at least |
| 03:13.30 | scrooge | change that variable to whereever stuff gets downloaded and compiled |
| 03:13.44 | lignux | thiago: Isn't that a KDE app? |
| 03:13.44 | thiago | yes, icecream |
| 03:13.51 | thiago | lignux: the monitor, yes |
| 03:13.51 | scrooge | icecream...hmm |
| 03:13.52 | scrooge | google |
| 03:13.56 | lignux | thiago: ok |
| 03:14.00 | thiago | the scheduler and the compiler wrapper are plain C |
| 03:14.11 | thiago | scrooge: don't bother. They live in kdenonbeta/icecream |
| 03:14.32 | scrooge | lol...theres a portage ebuild for it |
| 03:14.39 | scrooge | version ~0.6.20040829 |
| 03:14.56 | chavo | mmmm Ice Cream |
| 03:15.16 | chavo | now I need to go to the store and get some Phish Food. |
| 03:16.56 | lignux | thiago: How is it better than distcc? |
| 03:17.03 | lignux | thiago: Isn't it mostly distcc code? |
| 03:17.23 | thiago | it handles addition and removal of nodes |
| 03:17.36 | thiago | without stopping the compilation |
| 03:18.01 | lignux | I don't need that |
| 03:18.15 | thiago | it has a centralised scheduler |
| 03:18.21 | lignux | I just want it to work just this once |
| 03:18.49 | lignux | I want to compile a couple KDE packages. |
| 03:18.59 | thiago | unsermake + icecream is the best bet |
| 03:19.03 | thiago | much faster than automake |
| 03:19.37 | thiago | icecream also supports a heterogeneous network |
| 03:19.46 | thiago | so you don't need the same compiler installed on every machine |
| 03:19.50 | slayerbob | mmmm icecream |
| 03:19.56 | chavo | thiago, I installed unsermake and couldn't get cvs to compile. |
| 03:20.08 | chavo | it works fine with regular make though. |
| 03:20.48 | thiago | chavo: I have been using unsermake for many months now |
| 03:21.05 | thiago | unsermake --compile-jobs=7 -k -p together with icecream rules |
| 03:21.35 | thiago | KDE rebuilds in 10h on an Athlon 1400MHz, Pentium-M 1.6GHz and Pentium III 550 MHz |
| 03:21.40 | chavo | maybe I'll give it another shot. It built libs fine but coughed out on kdebase. |
| 03:21.43 | thiago | each one a different distribution |
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| 03:23.54 | lignux | Hmm |
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| 03:24.00 | lignux | How do you get icecream? |
| 03:24.07 | lignux | Do you need to use CVS? |
| 03:24.08 | t35t0r | man i'm really getting sick of konqueror not showing web pages |
| 03:24.21 | annma | url? |
| 03:24.28 | t35t0r | bugs.kde.org people say its because konq is properly showing the page |
| 03:24.32 | t35t0r | and firefox is not |
| 03:24.38 | t35t0r | http://www.hamamatsu.com/ |
| 03:24.40 | X-The | can anyone explain me why everytime i start a app in console or when compiling i.e. kde appears this message: QSettings::sync: failed to open '/etc/qt_plugins_3.3rc.tmp' for writing |
| 03:25.00 | t35t0r | there are lots more |
| 03:25.11 | Tpo1 | t35t0r, try running mozilla in straight X |
| 03:25.13 | t35t0r | http://phg.mc.vanderbilt.edu |
| 03:25.24 | X-The | no one knows? |
| 03:26.02 | thiago | X-The: that's Qt being annoying |
| 03:26.03 | t35t0r | well what difference does it make if your konqueror is properly formatting the page and firefox/IE are not if it can't even show you the content!!! man these coders sometimes lose track of the objective |
| 03:26.07 | choisy | t35t0r: changing browser ID to mozilla fixes the last one for me. |
| 03:26.08 | lignux | Tpo1: How do you run something in straight x? |
| 03:26.10 | annma | t35t0r: exactly the same in konq and firefox |
| 03:26.14 | X-The | thiago: how come? |
| 03:26.24 | thiago | X-The: what do you mean by "how come"? |
| 03:26.25 | t35t0r | ahh thiago is here |
| 03:26.28 | Tpo1 | umm... I would move .xinitrc to .xinitrc~ |
| 03:26.37 | choisy | t35t0r: or wait no... it was just loading slowly :p |
| 03:26.37 | X-The | exactly what it means |
| 03:26.38 | annma | t35t0r: it's a scresed website but firefox shows it the same than konq |
| 03:26.44 | X-The | thiago: give more details |
| 03:26.46 | thiago | t35t0r: I closed your bug report :) |
| 03:26.52 | Tpo1 | then I'd write a new .xinitrc: exec xterm |
| 03:26.54 | t35t0r | thiago, hehe which one? :) |
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| 03:26.58 | Tpo1 | and type startx |
| 03:26.58 | t35t0r | thiago, oh the png |
| 03:26.59 | thiago | X-The: it tries to open that file for writing. It can't. That's it. |
| 03:27.01 | avu | hi |
| 03:27.04 | thiago | t35t0r: yes :) |
| 03:27.13 | lignux | Tpo1: Oh, cool. |
| 03:27.14 | t35t0r | yea ...i dunno what happened with that |
| 03:27.16 | Tpo1 | then when I'm done testing, move .xinitrc~ back to .xinitrc |
| 03:27.35 | t35t0r | ok i'll see if i can change it to mozilla |
| 03:27.41 | Tpo1 | or make a new user account, just for testing |
| 03:27.42 | X-The | thiago: about the menu problems i talked yesterday, was because i was using kde-3.4.0, now that i updated to cvs all seams to be ok |
| 03:27.50 | thiago | t35t0r: ah, no |
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| 03:27.59 | thiago | t35t0r: it was the "Konqueror is right, Mozilla is wrong" one |
| 03:28.04 | X-The | in conclusion the souces of kde-3.4.0 for download are buggy |
| 03:28.12 | thiago | t35t0r: the images not being shown |
| 03:28.23 | Tpo1 | xterm opens, type mozilla |
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| 03:28.24 | t35t0r | thiago, ahh the phonedirectory.vanderbilt.edu .. |
| 03:28.26 | choisy | X-The: what was the menu problem? I'm not experiencing any here on 3.4 |
| 03:28.36 | t35t0r | thiago, well the objective is that i can searh for someone |
| 03:28.37 | avu | I have a strange (as in difficult to reproduce) issue with kde (3.3.2 as well as 3.4.0). Sometimes, it's not possible to open files/directories in konqueror by clicking them, this only applies to a single instance, if I open another konqueror window it works well. Anyone had that, too? |
| 03:28.37 | thiago | t35t0r: exactly |
| 03:28.38 | X-The | i have to log off |
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| 03:28.52 | avu | I'm using single-click activation, if that's important. |
| 03:29.13 | t35t0r | i'm not a big proponent of coding for coding sake ..or anything post-modernist like that |
| 03:30.00 | t35t0r | people want interoperability ..kde should know that more than any other linux project ..heh its more like win than any other window manager i've seen |
| 03:30.21 | thiago | t35t0r: we've just done things right for a change |
| 03:30.24 | t35t0r | konq is as close to internet explorer as it comes .and its better |
| 03:30.39 | choisy | ?? |
| 03:30.40 | t35t0r | because it can be used as a file explorer and do it all thing |
| 03:30.45 | thiago | t35t0r: the HTTP spec says we are acting exactly as we should |
| 03:31.06 | t35t0r | too bad 90+ of the market doesn't conform to specs |
| 03:31.13 | t35t0r | 90%+ |
| 03:31.17 | ysm | and it's better because it ignores svg, xml, mathml, xmlhttprequest, don't work with google maps ? |
| 03:31.30 | t35t0r | those are plugins |
| 03:31.42 | t35t0r | don't confuse the conversation |
| 03:31.47 | thiago | ysm: xmlhttprequest is working, I think |
| 03:32.00 | t35t0r | mathml anyways |
| 03:32.48 | t35t0r | thiago, well at least i found you here ..i'll ask you directly before you shoot down any more of my bugs :) |
| 03:33.03 | thiago | ok, let's try to be fast |
| 03:34.22 | Tpo1 | hehe |
| 03:34.24 | t35t0r | well there's nothing its just those two web pages .. http://phg.mc.vanderbilt.edu and http://www.hamamatsu.com but i guess someone said change browser id to mozilla |
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| 03:35.09 | choisy | that made the menu appear for me on the first one :p |
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| 03:35.25 | choisy | but still, those sites look pathetic |
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| 03:36.15 | thiago | t35t0r: yes, first one is a site-bug |
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| 03:36.41 | t35t0r | how do you tell its a site bug or konq bug? |
| 03:36.48 | ysm | t35t0r: there is 86 html errors in the first page |
| 03:36.58 | t35t0r | yeah i lookd at the source its a mess |
| 03:37.06 | t35t0r | those guys are using frontpage shit |
| 03:37.12 | t35t0r | i know i used to work there for a while |
| 03:37.14 | ysm | use http://validator.w3.org/ |
| 03:37.29 | t35t0r | ohh using validator |
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| 03:37.41 | thiago | the second one is also a site bug |
| 03:37.42 | t35t0r | validator doesn't necessarily mean it won't show up properly |
| 03:37.49 | thiago | same problem as the one you reported and I closed: |
| 03:37.50 | thiago | kio_http: (10712) "Content-location: http://172.24.24.20/index.html" |
| 03:37.59 | ysm | !val http://www.hamamatsu.com/ |
| 03:38.02 | charlotte | Erreurs: 6, Avertissements: 0, Lignes: 103 |
| 03:38.04 | thiago | obviously, we can't access 172.24.24.20 |
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| 03:38.21 | t35t0r | ehhe so what do we do tell hamamatsu to validate their web pages? |
| 03:38.38 | ysm | why not |
| 03:38.39 | thiago | tell them to fix their webserver |
| 03:38.47 | t35t0r | 'eh what's wrong with that? |
| 03:38.52 | thiago | they are telling the world, "hey, our webpages are at 172.24.24.20, please go there" |
| 03:38.56 | X-The | just one thing about xchat, anyone knows how to put the whois info appearing in the active window instead allways appears in the status window? |
| 03:38.57 | thiago | which is an obvious lie |
| 03:39.25 | thiago | t35t0r: please visit my website: http://172.26.0.6/~thiago/ |
| 03:39.45 | thiago | can you? |
| 03:40.15 | t35t0r | no that's an internal wierd ip |
| 03:40.19 | thiago | exactly |
| 03:40.26 | thiago | it's the same thing with what hamamatsu is doing |
| 03:40.36 | slayerbob | is it ? |
| 03:40.42 | thiago | they are redirecting to a site given by its internal IP |
| 03:40.55 | t35t0r | in the view source? |
| 03:41.01 | thiago | in the HTTP headers |
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| 03:41.25 | thiago | View, Document Information |
| 03:41.46 | thiago | do you see the IP there? |
| 03:41.57 | t35t0r | IIS |
| 03:41.58 | t35t0r | haha |
| 03:42.41 | t35t0r | anyways how do i change the default browser id? |
| 03:42.52 | thiago | I don't recommend doing that |
| 03:43.00 | thiago | change only when you find a problem |
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| 03:43.47 | t35t0r | the problem is that konq can't display broken web sites |
| 03:43.57 | t35t0r | and 99% of web sites are brokem |
| 03:44.01 | t35t0r | to some extent |
| 03:44.25 | thiago | not really |
| 03:44.32 | thiago | we can't display the really broken ones |
| 03:44.34 | t35t0r | well if the problem is because of just a browser id problem then that might fix it |
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| 03:44.44 | thiago | the majority aren't near that much broken |
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| 03:44.49 | t35t0r | i can't do anything about the renderer |
| 03:44.58 | avu | I haven't seen a site needing a browser id change in a long time |
| 03:45.14 | t35t0r | ok i'll really email those idiots |
| 03:45.22 | t35t0r | man that's the most bloated code i've ever seen |
| 03:45.58 | t35t0r | they won't understand |
| 03:46.26 | avu | but, if you really think you have to change the user agent konqeuror sends, settings->configure konqueror->browser identification |
| 03:46.39 | t35t0r | avu, yeah i'm there but i want to do it for all sites |
| 03:46.44 | t35t0r | i tried * |
| 03:46.49 | t35t0r | and change it to mozilla 1.6 |
| 03:47.02 | avu | t35t0r: doing it for all sites is just nonsense |
| 03:47.13 | t35t0r | for the love of god just tell me how |
| 03:47.21 | thiago | t35t0r: open your ~/.kde/share/config/kio_httprc |
| 03:47.46 | thiago | copy the UserAgent line you want for all sites to the top of the file |
| 03:47.51 | thiago | outside any [ ] sections |
| 03:47.55 | t35t0r | i really like konq's features but its just getting annoying |
| 03:48.11 | t35t0r | not being able to display webpages that is |
| 03:48.32 | Oleg_ | people, how are you during this beautiful day? |
| 03:48.33 | thiago | we can't help if people test if your browser is IE and Mozilla |
| 03:48.40 | thiago | and decide to show a broken page if it's neither |
| 03:49.06 | t35t0r | no you can't |
| 03:49.18 | t35t0r | but you can do something to make our browser work |
| 03:49.32 | t35t0r | its just hypocritical to do what konq is doing as well |
| 03:49.45 | t35t0r | one side is saying i won't display it because its broken and the other side uses frontpage |
| 03:50.10 | thiago | we do the best we can |
| 03:50.16 | t35t0r | hehe what's a user gonna do use IE? pfff |
| 03:50.18 | thiago | on one hand, we have to support the standards |
| 03:50.24 | t35t0r | yes support the standards |
| 03:50.29 | thiago | on the other, we have to support the brokenness out there |
| 03:50.34 | thiago | sometimes, those two goals clash |
| 03:50.34 | t35t0r | don't let it hurt the users |
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| 03:51.09 | suni | theres firefox |
| 03:51.12 | thiago | we do our best to do that |
| 03:51.22 | t35t0r | suni, i would like to just use one browser |
| 03:51.24 | suni | is there anyway to, refresh the menu entrys? |
| 03:51.25 | thiago | the only reason I open Firefox is to check bug reports |
| 03:51.32 | thiago | otherwise, I wouldn't need it installed |
| 03:51.38 | t35t0r | thiago, yea same here recently |
| 03:51.38 | thiago | suni: in the k menu? |
| 03:51.42 | suni | yeh |
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| 03:51.46 | suni | has alot of old entries |
| 03:52.12 | thiago | suni: run kbuildsycoca |
| 03:52.23 | suni | ok thanks |
| 03:52.25 | suni | :) |
| 03:52.40 | t35t0r | if konqueror displays your website properly ...now I know that it good for anything ..well maybe not lynx |
| 03:52.43 | suni | t35t0r, sometimes you have to fool webpages to thinking tha tyou have IE..using a user agent. |
| 03:52.52 | t35t0r | suni, yes i know that |
| 03:53.06 | thiago | t35t0r: in fact, I have seen many pages now displaying better in Konqueror than in Mozilla |
| 03:53.12 | suni | yes |
| 03:53.16 | thiago | we have surpassed them in many areas now |
| 03:53.26 | suni | what about java? |
| 03:53.28 | suni | ;) |
| 03:53.41 | suni | mozilla has better java support. |
| 03:53.54 | suni | then again the plugin is actually built for it. |
| 03:54.08 | thiago | java is java |
| 03:54.13 | thiago | how can they have better support? |
| 03:54.55 | suni | theres a few issues. |
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| 03:56.31 | MrGrim | konqi seems to have many cookie issues for me.. even with the most liberal settings |
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| 04:00.55 | t35t0r | i put this http://chgr.mc.vanderbilt.edu/chgrsite/ in the site for the change browser identification ..and internet explorer 6.0 windows xp as the id ..but its still no showing the menu |
| 04:01.28 | suni | :( |
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| 04:06.18 | Alethes | what app do I need to run to get the "run command" window? I figured it'd be krun, but it's apparently not |
| 04:06.40 | kilrae | ok, i have for some reason eliminated all the text displayed after the BIOS screen |
| 04:06.51 | MrGrim | Alethes: it may not be an app, but part of one |
| 04:07.03 | Alethes | yeah, I'm thinking kdesktop or kicker or something |
| 04:07.20 | Alethes | yep |
| 04:07.28 | Alethes | dcop let's me get to it with kdesktop |
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| 04:10.55 | Alethes | man I love dcop :) |
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| 04:17.55 | kilrae | ok, graphical lilo, bootsplash and kdm |
| 04:18.05 | kilrae | that was fun |
| 04:18.13 | kilrae | now what do i do? |
| 04:18.24 | suni | mow the lawn |
| 04:18.29 | nickv111 | Jebus, kde-i18n-3.4.0 is freaking huge! |
| 04:18.33 | suni | help your mother with the washing. |
| 04:19.01 | nickv111 | It's more than a gigabyte |
| 04:19.35 | t35t0r | when i go here http://www.hamamatsu.com/, i don't see the image, but then when i go click the drop down and go to one of the sites and come back to the main page it displays the image why is this? |
| 04:19.45 | nickv111 | 1.3G... Holy crap that's huge |
| 04:20.13 | nickv111 | Be gone with it! |
| 04:20.33 | nickv111 | At least until I need it. |
| 04:20.59 | chavo | nickv111, how many languages do you speak? |
| 04:21.39 | nickv111 | Fluently? |
| 04:22.00 | MrGrim | um the source for kde-i18n is only 249MB.. you have a 1.6G binary package? |
| 04:22.51 | kilrae | who needs other languages, everyone should speak englsih |
| 04:22.51 | nickv111 | No. |
| 04:22.57 | kilrae | well that was ironic |
| 04:23.14 | nickv111 | Heh... |
| 04:23.14 | chavo | yess I speek fruent egnlshi |
| 04:23.32 | nickv111 | I know senor. I speak good ingles. |
| 04:23.51 | chavo | yo tambien |
| 04:24.03 | MrGrim | the suse language packages for kde 3.4.. all of them combined.. are only 200.5MB |
| 04:24.05 | nickv111 | MrGrim: Anyway, when I downloaded the source and unpacked it, it was 1.3G. |
| 04:24.20 | nickv111 | chavo: Tu hablas espanol? |
| 04:24.27 | chavo | un pocito |
| 04:24.33 | nickv111 | Yo tambien. |
| 04:24.41 | MrGrim | nickv111: well, ideally once you compile and install for the specific languages you want it'd be very small |
| 04:25.10 | nickv111 | MrGrim: See, I'm making .debs for KDE 3.4 on debian |
| 04:25.13 | MrGrim | altho... that's pretty damn big nonetheless... just how much text is in kde? |
| 04:25.21 | nickv111 | MrGrim: That is, on debian ppc |
| 04:26.01 | nickv111 | MrGrim: I'd say roughly 1.4 square kilometers. |
| 04:26.29 | nickv111 | Maybe about 20 pounds worth. |
| 04:26.39 | MrGrim | how many languages does kde support? |
| 04:27.14 | MrGrim | suse has packages for 50 languages.. lets start there |
| 04:27.34 | nickv111 | I have no idea... Way more than I need, but since I am porting these things I'd better port them all |
| 04:27.43 | MrGrim | roughly 32.8MB per panguage |
| 04:27.50 | MrGrim | language even |
| 04:28.03 | MrGrim | could fit a few novels in that space if it was plain text |
| 04:28.03 | nickv111 | Damn, that's huge |
| 04:30.31 | MrGrim | lemme rephrase |
| 04:30.41 | MrGrim | could fit a few novels in that space if they were in ms ward format |
| 04:30.46 | MrGrim | s/ward/word |
| 04:31.11 | nickv111 | Pshht, MS Word. |
| 04:31.18 | nickv111 | OpenOffice.org format :) |
| 04:32.00 | choisy | Pshht OpenOffice.org |
| 04:32.07 | choisy | KWord format :) |
| 04:32.37 | nickv111 | Eww, KWord |
| 04:32.41 | nickv111 | KOffice-- |
| 04:32.49 | nickv111 | OpenOffice.org Ximian Edition++ |
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| 04:33.18 | nickv111 | Ximian Edition is basically OpenOffice with KDE integrations and using KDE widgets, etc |
| 04:33.32 | Octane | I wish the Gimp wasnt so unuseable |
| 04:33.40 | nickv111 | I like the GIMP |
| 04:33.55 | nickv111 | And if you don't like it, then make something better or stop complaining |
| 04:34.05 | Alethes | gimp's UI is annoying |
| 04:34.12 | nickv111 | Then rewrite it |
| 04:34.26 | Alethes | heh, typical OSS fanboi response |
| 04:34.37 | nickv111 | Well, don't complain to us |
| 04:34.44 | Alethes | I'm not complaining to you |
| 04:34.53 | MrGrim | ya |
| 04:34.55 | nickv111 | OK, well don't complain. |
| 04:34.57 | MrGrim | he was complaining to the IRC client |
| 04:35.02 | Alethes | I'm expressing my opinion just like you were earlier regarding koffice ;) |
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| 04:35.29 | nickv111 | See, but I am also suggesting another option for KDE office software |
| 04:35.39 | nickv111 | OpenOffice Ximian Edition rules :) |
| 04:36.01 | nickv111 | I installed KDE 3.4 today and it's awesome. |
| 04:36.42 | Tpo1 | whats new in it? |
| 04:36.52 | MrGrim | the version # |
| 04:36.56 | Tpo1 | heh |
| 04:37.18 | MrGrim | and a buggy composite manager hacked into kwin |
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| 04:37.31 | pootie | hello |
| 04:37.32 | nickv111 | It's a lot nicer looking, and I love the new features |
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| 04:37.44 | MrGrim | nickv111: looks exactly the same as 3.3 to me |
| 04:37.48 | nickv111 | Not to me |
| 04:37.52 | pootie | has anyone installed the new kdm theme manager from kde-look? |
| 04:37.52 | Tpo1 | gui improvements? |
| 04:37.59 | nickv111 | Yeah |
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| 04:40.41 | Octane | hey |
| 04:40.44 | Octane | is that newbie nickv111 still here |
| 04:41.19 | Octane | rofl i say gimp's unusable and he says "make your own graphics program" |
| 04:41.28 | pootie | anyone know how the use themes for kde 3.4 kdm? |
| 04:43.04 | BlackHand | kde 3.4 don't like nvidia drivers 1.0.7167 |
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| 04:44.37 | slayerbob | Octane: sounds reasonable to me :) |
| 04:45.17 | Octane | slayerbob, of course! im almost done |
| 04:45.26 | slayerbob | good-o :P |
| 04:45.34 | Octane | slayerbob, no its a stupid, typical response, which always comes from people who dont know how to code themselves |
| 04:45.43 | Octane | when someone complains about bush, i dont tell them to go become president |
| 04:45.54 | Alethes | hahaha |
| 04:46.02 | Octane | when someone bitches about their phone rate, i dont tell them to go start a telecom company |
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| 04:46.16 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 04:46.17 | slayerbob | i do :P |
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| 04:46.33 | Octane | so, following the same logic, dont tell me to go code a whole new graphic program if i simple complain about its known gnome usability issues in a KDE channel |
| 04:46.43 | Octane | simply* |
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| 04:47.07 | _ubuntu | cool |
| 04:47.11 | Alethes | Octane: you and I are gonna get along well |
| 04:47.12 | Alethes | heh |
| 04:47.16 | chavo | Octane, are you drunk? |
| 04:47.33 | Octane | lol Alethes :) |
| 04:47.53 | Alethes | I don't know if a drunk person could have stated that case nearly as well |
| 04:48.05 | Octane | chavo, no LOL |
| 04:48.11 | chavo | there was a case in that gibberish? |
| 04:48.30 | chavo | Octane, well, let's go get a beer :) |
| 04:48.46 | Octane | lol |
| 04:48.47 | Octane | nice |
| 04:48.59 | Octane | we can then beat up nickv111 who said the comment that started this whole thing! |
| 04:49.28 | chavo | no, I'm on nickv's side. I like the gimp. |
| 04:49.37 | Octane | oh, then i dont wanna drink with you =P |
| 04:50.01 | suni | beer |
| 04:51.48 | Octane | Alethes, yes, we will get along -- we're even in two other channels together :) |
| 04:52.11 | Alethes | what other channel? |
| 04:52.16 | Octane | php and web |
| 04:52.24 | Alethes | oh yeah, I see now |
| 04:52.25 | Alethes | :) |
| 04:52.39 | Alethes | I hardly say anything in those channels anymore |
| 04:52.48 | Octane | yah same |
| 04:52.57 | Octane | i just idle there so that i dont look like i just came in to ask a question :) |
| 04:52.58 | Alethes | they have their own annoying cliches, kinda like the one nickv111 demonstrated |
| 04:53.10 | Alethes | haha same |
| 04:53.25 | Alethes | I get tired of their "oh my god, you're using tables for layouts?!?!" |
| 04:53.29 | Alethes | that's just dumb |
| 04:53.33 | Alethes | who gives a shit |
| 04:53.34 | Octane | lol! |
| 04:54.01 | Octane | brb |
| 04:54.22 | Alethes | I started converting my site to not use tables, but I haven't done anything on it in quite a while |
| 04:54.34 | Alethes | it's not a big priority |
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| 05:06.02 | nickv111 | G'night everyone |
| 05:06.08 | Tpo1 | night |
| 05:06.26 | Octane | hey nickv111 |
| 05:06.28 | Octane | before going to sleep |
| 05:06.31 | Octane | read what i said! |
| 05:06.49 | Octane | and if you're tired, dont complain that you "need to go to sleep" and go to sleep |
| 05:08.28 | BlackHand | kde 3.4 don't like nvidia drivers 1.0.7167 |
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| 05:14.37 | Octane | anyone know where the krita development or cvs site is |
| 05:15.45 | Alethes | it's listed on kde-apps.org |
| 05:15.46 | Alethes | just do a search |
| 05:15.53 | Octane | ah grea thanks |
| 05:17.47 | Alethes | btw |
| 05:17.51 | Alethes | notice how hard they made it to find the search? heh |
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| 05:18.51 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
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| 05:19.40 | Alethes | allow me to offer you nickv111's solution |
| 05:19.46 | Alethes | create a help channel |
| 05:19.48 | Alethes | :) |
| 05:19.50 | Alethes | I'm kidding, of course |
| 05:19.54 | Alethes | what's the prob? |
| 05:20.21 | eisregen | I've just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.11.2 to 2.4.29 .... and I no longer can bind my multimedia keys in KDE ... they still raise an event in xev ... so I'm wondering if this is the right place to complain / ask questions ... |
| 05:20.53 | eisregen | uning kde 3.4 |
| 05:21.01 | eisregen | s/uning/using/ |
| 05:21.33 | Alethes | that's strange |
| 05:21.38 | Alethes | I didn't think changing the kernel would affect that |
| 05:21.46 | eisregen | me neither ... |
| 05:22.13 | Alethes | ah well |
| 05:22.13 | Alethes | no multimedia keys for you, then :) |
| 05:22.25 | Alethes | seriously though, I figured X is the only thing that mattered for that |
| 05:22.27 | eisregen | I wondered why I could bind them @ work and not at home .... now I guess I know why .... I'm also on 2.4.29 @ home ... |
| 05:23.04 | eisregen | Alethes: yes ... but when running xev i see that the keys still trigger an event ... |
| 05:23.22 | Alethes | did the event name change or something? |
| 05:23.24 | eisregen | so it's KDE's fault I guess ... |
| 05:23.26 | Alethes | even then, it'd be X specific |
| 05:24.34 | eisregen | Alethes: you mean it matters what event name is sent ? kde has to know it's a key event i believe ... so it shouldn't matter what name it has to be able to bind the key ... no ? |
| 05:25.45 | Alethes | well, I figured it must need to know things like ButtonPress, ButtonRelease, but that must be standard anyway |
| 05:26.44 | Alethes | is your keyboard selection correct for kde? |
| 05:27.15 | eisregen | Option "XkbModel" "cherrybluea" |
| 05:27.22 | eisregen | should be the right one ... |
| 05:28.27 | Alethes | what about kcontrol/Regional & Access/Keyboard Layout? |
| 05:28.31 | Alethes | the Keyboard Model option |
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| 05:29.31 | eisregen | Alethes: don't use the kde module ... and it does nothing beside setting XkbModel through xkb ... and I would have used the same model ... |
| 05:29.39 | eisregen | * I don't |
| 05:29.50 | Alethes | ah ok |
| 05:31.16 | Alethes | then I believe I'm useless to you |
| 05:31.21 | Alethes | heh |
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| 05:32.35 | slayerbob | wb canllaith :) |
| 05:32.45 | canllaith | :) |
| 05:33.08 | Alethes | howdy canllaith :) |
| 05:33.12 | canllaith | Heya Alethes |
| 05:33.15 | Alethes | make eisregen's multimedia keys work |
| 05:33.24 | Alethes | do your thang |
| 05:33.31 | eisregen | lol ^^ |
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| 05:34.58 | nonicksleft | Hi, in konsole, the delete key is outputting '~'. Anyone know how to restore it to, well, delete? :P |
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| 05:35.43 | eisregen | nonicksleft: us keyboard ? |
| 05:35.46 | Alethes | nonicksleft: didn't you know? the "~" character is called delete |
| 05:35.46 | Alethes | :D |
| 05:36.02 | Alethes | ugh |
| 05:36.08 | eisregen | try 'loadkeys us.map' |
| 05:36.19 | eisregen | maybe thats the problem ... |
| 05:36.20 | Alethes | my lungs are irritated and my inhaler just ran out tonight (asthma) |
| 05:36.41 | nonicksleft | Loading /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us.map.gz |
| 05:36.42 | nonicksleft | Keymap 0: Permission denied |
| 05:36.42 | nonicksleft | Keymap 1: Permission denied |
| 05:36.42 | nonicksleft | Keymap 2: Permission denied |
| 05:36.42 | nonicksleft | KDSKBENT: Operation not permitted |
| 05:36.42 | nonicksleft | loadkeys: could not deallocate keymap 3 |
| 05:36.54 | nonicksleft | oops, sorry bout that flood |
| 05:37.04 | eisregen | nonicksleft ... try as root then ... |
| 05:37.24 | nonicksleft | no effect =/ |
| 05:38.22 | eisregen | nonicksleft: waht do you have under Settings -> Keyboard ? |
| 05:38.30 | eisregen | s/waht/what/ |
| 05:38.58 | nonicksleft | xterm (xfree 4.x.x) |
| 05:39.25 | eisregen | i have no idea then =/ |
| 05:39.33 | nonicksleft | lol, well, thanks anyway :) |
| 05:41.08 | Alethes | wow |
| 05:41.17 | nonicksleft | hmm, is happening in vc's too =x |
| 05:41.23 | Alethes | all this discussion and nobody's getting anything fixed |
| 05:42.09 | nonicksleft | ooh, I think I know what's wrong |
| 05:42.12 | eisregen | Alethes: I'm just browsing a forum where it says you have to patch the kernel to make all keys working ... 4 years linux ... and finally I've seen everything ... patch the kernel for a keyboard =O |
| 05:42.33 | Alethes | ack |
| 05:42.36 | Alethes | that's just dumb |
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| 05:45.56 | Alethes | alrighty |
| 05:45.56 | Alethes | I'm out |
| 05:45.56 | Alethes | adios |
| 05:46.05 | eisregen | Alethes: c ya =D |
| 05:46.23 | nonicksleft | whee, problem was a missing /etc/profile =x |
| 05:46.36 | eisregen | nonicksleft: ouch =D |
| 05:47.07 | nonicksleft | :P yup. Got it back, fixed in vcs, looks like a kde restart needed for konsole, though |
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| 05:48.33 | Flendor | Good morning. |
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| 05:53.47 | slayerbob | g'day Flendor |
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| 06:00.35 | symbiont | is there a way to emulate desktop shutdown to one application? |
| 06:00.39 | Oleg_ | yo |
| 06:00.43 | symbiont | like via dcop or something? |
| 06:00.56 | symbiont | kopete crashes on desktop shutdown in 3.4 |
| 06:01.05 | symbiont | and i cannot get the backtrace fast enough to post the bug |
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| 06:04.17 | Codename_V | hi guys. anyone familiar with the 'Building KDE From Source Step By Step' document? at one point it says to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /home/kdedev/kde-unstable/bin/lib. but then at another point it says /home/kdedev/kde-unstable/lib. |
| 06:04.35 | Codename_V | I'm wondering which is right. I'm thinking the latter. no? |
| 06:05.01 | canllaith | Yes |
| 06:05.32 | Codename_V | k, great. thanks |
| 06:05.33 | Flendor | Hello slayer :) How are you? |
| 06:10.54 | Flendor | Gotta go...Good day everyone. |
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| 06:17.50 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 06:18.11 | slayerbob | do i want to install icecream with --prefix=/opt/icecream or --prefix=<path-to-kde> ? |
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| 06:18.33 | canllaith | the first i think |
| 06:18.42 | slayerbob | yeah i tried the first and it complained |
| 06:18.52 | slayerbob | but the documentation says to use that |
| 06:19.10 | slayerbob | "Warning: you chose to install this package in /opt/icecream, |
| 06:19.10 | slayerbob | but KDE was found in /opt/kde-unstable. |
| 06:19.10 | slayerbob | For this to work, you will need to tell KDE about the new prefix, by ensuring |
| 06:19.10 | slayerbob | that KDEDIRS contains it, e.g. export KDEDIRS=/opt/icecream:/opt/kde-unstable |
| 06:19.10 | slayerbob | " |
| 06:19.20 | slayerbob | oops sorry about that :S |
| 06:19.28 | canllaith | oh well use opt/kde |
| 06:19.49 | slayerbob | i guess the worst that can happen is that it screws up my kde in which case i just decompress it again :P |
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| 06:22.24 | slayerbob | :D |
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| 06:30.41 | jorgp | what are some good webcam capture apps for kde? |
| 06:31.28 | oleg__ | good night |
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| 06:42.48 | koruptid | hmmmm... i'm getting a prompt in kontact that won't go away |
| 06:44.23 | koruptid | "Kontact already seems to be running on shadowdrone. Running Kontact more than once can cause the loss of mail. You should not start Kontact on this computer unless you are sure that it is not already running on shadowdrone." |
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| 06:45.06 | koruptid | neither the "Start Kontact" nor the "Exit" buttons work |
| 06:46.21 | Octane | is there any way to sort the menu alphatbeitically |
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| 06:48.12 | LeStat- | is it possible to have icon zooming in the kicker in kde 3.4 as it was in the previous version? Ive looked all over the menus and cant find the icon zooming enable/disable? |
| 06:48.19 | LeStat- | just upgraded today :) |
| 06:49.59 | chavo | LeStat-, no they took it out. |
| 06:50.10 | LeStat- | ah thats horrible, i liked that :) |
| 06:50.15 | LeStat- | the rest of the changes look good though |
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| 06:55.18 | LeStat- | has anyone noticed when scrolling through the menus within the kicker it seems a bit slower then the previous release of kde? |
| 06:56.30 | slayerbob | nope |
| 06:56.30 | slayerbob | seems faster to me |
| 06:56.54 | LeStat- | hmm maybe its my pc..not the most high end thing but not to bad |
| 06:57.00 | LeStat- | 12CPU[Intel Pentium 4 clocked at 1594.660 Mhz] 12Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-kanotix-8 i686] 12Up[-1:21-] 12Mem[-489.68/502.844MB-] 12HDD[-200GB(9%used)-] 12Procs[-69-] 12Client[BitchX 1.0c20cvs] |
| 06:57.11 | LeStat- | think thatd be sufficient to run kde well? |
| 06:58.19 | slayerbob | well it runs well on this p3-500 with 256MB ram |
| 06:58.22 | sarah03 | You've got a better spec'd machine than I've got; I haven't noticed 3.4 really being any slower in general as compared to 3.3. |
| 06:58.30 | slayerbob | although i dunno... using bitchx could cause problems :P |
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| 06:59.03 | LeStat- | lol |
| 06:59.06 | LeStat- | i like my bitchx |
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| 06:59.58 | LeStat- | where is the setting for that adding kdm themes? I see a new catagory for kdm themes on kde-look, nice stuff in there |
| 07:03.49 | canllaith | LeStat-: you have to set that in kdmrc |
| 07:05.25 | marcusU | Is there any work on making KDesktop so that icons have a configurable grid that they snap to, but without "auto arrange"? |
| 07:09.42 | Quinn_Storm | marcusU: in 3.4 that already seems to exist. (right click, icons, align to grid) |
| 07:10.11 | marcusU | Quinn_Storm: Oh. That's confusing. |
| 07:10.39 | Octane | is there any way to sort the menu alphatbeitically |
| 07:11.09 | marcusU | Quinn_Storm: I say that it's confusing because under in Configure Desktop, Behavior, File Icons, there's a selection ofr "Automatically line up icons" |
| 07:11.33 | marcusU | So having this stuff scattered in two different places is confusing. And I wonder how the two configuration areas interact. |
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| 07:17.53 | phxguy | real e-z question... I think. what is the command to stop the xserver |
| 07:19.01 | Octane | you can ctrl+alt+backspace to restart it |
| 07:19.24 | marcusU | Octane: But that's not a very graceful exit. |
| 07:19.28 | marcusU | phxguy: Are you running a kdm? |
| 07:19.34 | Octane | marcusU, really? i didnt know that |
| 07:19.44 | Octane | is that sort of like a kill? |
| 07:19.49 | slayerbob | lol |
| 07:19.51 | marcusU | Yeah, I believe so. |
| 07:19.53 | slayerbob | pretty much |
| 07:19.56 | Octane | no shit? |
| 07:19.56 | phxguy | gdm marcusU |
| 07:20.03 | Octane | god damn! |
| 07:20.11 | Octane | so im interested in the answer to his question too |
| 07:20.13 | sarah03 | Octane: Yeah. C+A+Backspace is the "Terminate X" keystroke. |
| 07:20.36 | Octane | no wonder azureus comlplained about bad shudowns every time i did it |
| 07:20.55 | sarah03 | phxguy: What distribution? |
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| 07:21.12 | sarah03 | Right. Ok. |
| 07:21.15 | PEACEYALL | how do i close kde kicker? |
| 07:21.19 | Octane | lol |
| 07:21.38 | Octane | i have this urge to download every program because i feel like im missing out on a really cool kde program |
| 07:21.41 | Octane | can anyone relate |
| 07:22.02 | marcusU | Octane: What program? |
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| 07:22.54 | Octane | marcusU, all programs |
| 07:23.05 | sarah03 | [But 'telinit 3' depends on the distribution: Gentoo doesn't use 2/3/5 for 'full multiuser without network', 'full multiuser with network', and 'full multiuser with network and X', as an example.] |
| 07:23.23 | marcusU | What does it use? |
| 07:24.17 | sarah03 | marcusU: 'boot', 'default', 'nonetwork'; those are just the standard runlevels. |
| 07:24.46 | marcusU | No numbers? |
| 07:25.00 | sarah03 | If you want [x|k|g]dm to come up on startup, 'rc-update add xdm default'. |
| 07:25.34 | sarah03 | Nope. Well... they're still there; 0 and 6 are used, only because those are used to represent halt and reboot by half a dozen other things. |
| 07:26.11 | marcusU | Oh well. I doubt I will see Gentoo. I gave up after 3 days of constant downloading and compiling and it still wasn't done. |
| 07:26.17 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 07:26.54 | sarah03 | It took a while to build on this box, and it'll take a while for me to bring it up to date once I get it back on a high-speed connection again... |
| 07:27.14 | sarah03 | I'm not about to try 'emerge -u world' when connected to a 56k modem. |
| 07:27.25 | sarah03 | Ow. |
| 07:27.36 | sarah03 | Just... ow. |
| 07:27.40 | marcusU | ISDN (128) is the fastest you can get here unless you want to spent $400/month on a fractional T1. |
| 07:28.12 | sarah03 | I think we can finally get DSL or cable out here. |
| 07:28.51 | Octane | where is out here? in a remote location in the woods? |
| 07:29.00 | marcusU | There's no cable here. Time-Warner claims that someone else services the area, so TW won't provide service. But the other company won't provide any service (not even TV). |
| 07:29.12 | sarah03 | Octane: "Out here" == "suburbs of Portland, OR" |
| 07:29.27 | marcusU | "out there" for me is suburbs of Houston. |
| 07:29.50 | marcusU | ANd I can't get DSL ... the central office here has no DSL capabilities. Plus it's 26000 feet away. |
| 07:29.59 | sarah03 | Ah. I'm currently doing some work for someone based out of Beaumont. |
| 07:30.14 | slayerbob | you tried to install gentoo from a remote server on dialup ? :P |
| 07:30.44 | marcusU | Sometimes I wonder how much it would cost for ISDN 23B+D. |
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| 07:30.57 | sarah03 | slayerbob: I didn't try to install Gentoo while on dialup - I was on 1.5/128 DSL when I installed it. |
| 07:31.04 | slayerbob | marcusU: why not get the fractional t1 and resell it to some of your neighbours using wlan ? |
| 07:31.18 | marcusU | slayerbob: No one wants to spend the money. |
| 07:31.28 | sarah03 | Because ISDN 23B+D is roughly equivalent to a full T1. [If I'm not mistaken, it is a full T1.] |
| 07:31.51 | marcusU | sarah03: Do you know if 23B+D is T1, or is just equivalent to it? I never was clear about that. |
| 07:32.28 | sarah03 | marcusU: My understanding is that T1 was 23 64kbit bearer channels and 1 64kbit delta channel; ISDN is 2 64kbit bearer channels and 1 16kbit delta channel. |
| 07:32.47 | marcusU | slayerbob: The thing is "fractional" T1 appears to be a full T1 but if the 85 percentile of your bandwidth exceeds a certain amount they charge more. |
| 07:33.23 | marcusU | slayerbob: By the time you split the fraction T1 into pieces, it would cost more (given the bandwith restrictions to keep the price cheap) for each person to have ISDN. |
| 07:34.21 | marcusU | sarah03: ISDN is typically packaged in one of two forms. BRI ("basic rate interface") 2B+D (or just 2B with the D channel eating into the B) and PRI ("primary rate interface"), which is 23B+D. |
| 07:35.57 | sarah03 | *nods* I've also heard of 1B+D ISDN. My understanding of T1, as deployed here, was that it was the same as what you just described as an ISDN PRI line. [Or wad of lines.] |
| 07:37.02 | marcusU | Yeah. Some (older) ISDN connections are 2B but they're limited to 115,200. Very odd. Anyway, the only good thing I can say is that ISDN is considered a business product by the telco, so we get a little better sevice when we have problems. |
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| 07:37.21 | sarah03 | Oh, and then you have IDSL. |
| 07:37.44 | sarah03 | Which is basically, take 2B+D and treat it as one big data channel. |
| 07:37.55 | sarah03 | Netting you a whole 144kbit/s. |
| 07:38.03 | marcusU | Yeah, but IDSL is kind of expensive, IIRC. |
| 07:38.30 | sarah03 | Yeah, that doesn't suprise me. And I highly doubt it has any longer range than you'd be getting from ISDN in the first place. |
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| 07:39.17 | marcusU | SBC is supposedly making DSL available here this spring -- or that's what they claimed here last year. |
| 07:40.28 | marcusU | They're supposedly putting in repeaters or something (don't know the technical term). This is a partly suburban partly rural area with low population density, so most people are not close to the CO. |
| 07:41.16 | marcusU | I'm impressed with your knowledge (about telephony) and KDE. |
| 07:41.17 | sarah03 | *nods* That doesn't come as much of a suprise. |
| 07:41.47 | marcusU | In fact, I'm probably closer to 2 other COs than I am to the one that services the house here. |
| 07:41.51 | sarah03 | I was actually more suprised, with the proximity of the place that I'm living right now to 3 different Intel campuses, that DSL or cable internet wasn't avaliable here until recently. |
| 07:42.00 | SuperL4g | sarah03: what part of Portland? I used to live in SE Portland. |
| 07:42.03 | SuperL4g | I miss the area. |
| 07:42.18 | marcusU | I really want cable. The standard cable internet here is 3X the speed of DSL. |
| 07:42.40 | sarah03 | SuperL4g: I'm right between Hillsboro and Beaverton right now. |
| 07:43.22 | sarah03 | I don't want cable, as much faster as the speeds provided by Comcast might be as compared to any DSL that I might be able to get. |
| 07:44.04 | marcusU | Regular cable internet here is 4.5 Mbps. DSL standard package is 768-1.5 and premier is 1-5-3.0. |
| 07:44.14 | marcusU | Premium cable is 6 Mbps I think here. |
| 07:44.15 | sarah03 | Half of my issue is speed, the other half of my issue is AUP/TOS. |
| 07:44.24 | SuperL4g | sarah03: you work for Intel? don't they have a campus out in the Hillsboro area? :) |
| 07:44.31 | marcusU | Don't they all have some bullshit TOS? |
| 07:44.45 | sarah03 | SuperL4g: No, I don't work for Intel. I just live right smack dab between 3 different campuses. |
| 07:44.58 | sarah03 | [At least.] |
| 07:45.16 | marcusU | sarah03: Oh, and I'm 3-4 miles too far south to get fixed wireless (1.5 MBps). :-) I'm just in a crappy area. |
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| 07:45.41 | sarah03 | marcusU: Less trouble to deal with getting a connection from somewhere that doesn't have a bullshit TOS. |
| 07:45.48 | SuperL4g | man, this kdelibs compile is taking forever |
| 07:46.01 | mbevan | What's this I hear of a KDE Volume Manager which attaches to HAL/DBUS to support automounting and device discovery? Sounds like what I'm looking for... |
| 07:46.30 | marcusU | sarah03: I thought that all the ISPs had some kind bullshit TOS, though. What's the big stumbling block with Comcast? |
| 07:48.10 | sarah03 | marcusU: Find a provider that understands the inherent nature of the internet, in which all systems connected are by definition peers, not clients or servers. |
| 07:48.32 | marcusU | Oh. They don't want you to run a server, eh? :-) |
| 07:48.40 | SuperL4g | sarah03: does such a one exist? :) |
| 07:49.28 | sarah03 | SuperL4g: With one of the ISPs that I was with for quite a while, the restrictions in their AUP/TOS came down to "Don't leave your PPP connection up while you're not there, and no IRC bots." |
| 07:49.47 | SuperL4g | nice |
| 07:50.12 | sarah03 | The one about not staying online with dial-up all the time was fully understandable. |
| 07:50.36 | marcusU | My ISP is kind of vague about how much I can keep my connection up before they want me to buy a dedicated line. |
| 07:50.37 | sarah03 | As was the one about no IRC bots - having been on the wrong side of a smurf attack over an IRC channel at one point many years ago. |
| 07:51.15 | marcusU | And then on my latest bill, my service is described as "ISDN 128K, 24 hour access" so I dont' know. |
| 07:52.00 | sarah03 | I will admit, I still regularly violated the one about leaving the connection up all the time. |
| 07:52.20 | sarah03 | [In root's crontab, I had '* * * * * /etc/ppp/ppp-on'. Need more be said?] |
| 07:52.50 | marcusU | I don't usually keep it up all the time, but my dad also uses it on his computer. |
| 07:53.16 | marcusU | But then again, look at who my ISP is. |
| 07:53.47 | marcusU | I even have a shell acccount |
| 07:54.43 | sarah03 | I had a shell account way back when... once I managed to get myself a dedicated line installed here [which went poof when I lost my job] I never really used their shell, though. |
| 07:55.18 | sarah03 | SSH is nice. |
| 07:55.19 | sarah03 | :D |
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| 07:58.44 | marcusU | Hmm. kspread doesn't built. |
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| 08:24.16 | eisregen | hello ... is there a translation tool ... english <-> german for kde ? maybe even a kicker applet ? |
| 08:25.00 | slayerbob | it's called #kde |
| 08:25.29 | eisregen | slayerbob: huh ? ^^ |
| 08:25.36 | slayerbob | watch |
| 08:25.54 | slayerbob | hey does anyone know what "schappi" is in english ? |
| 08:26.09 | slayerbob | er |
| 08:26.12 | eisregen | a really annoying song ? |
| 08:26.13 | slayerbob | *schnappi |
| 08:26.21 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 08:26.27 | slayerbob | translator must be broken at the moment |
| 08:26.40 | eisregen | your really funny =/ |
| 08:27.05 | slayerbob | i try :) |
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| 08:50.50 | sredna | Hi :) |
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| 08:53.35 | slayerbob | hiya sredna |
| 08:55.00 | slayerbob | heh |
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| 08:57.11 | DaBlade | Every time I try to rip a DVD with DVD::RIP, I get the audio commentary in stead of the real sound track. I don't want the commentary, I want the real sound. Can someone help me? |
| 08:58.12 | ponto | DaBlade: maybe you should ask in a DVD::Rip forum? however one can select which audio track should be used |
| 08:58.29 | DaBlade | Yes, but I don't know which track to select |
| 09:00.21 | Noldo | DaBlade: that your personal problem |
| 09:03.55 | DaBlade | There are three tracks, 0: en ac3 48KHz 6Ch, 1: en dts 48KHz 5Ch, 2: en ac3 48KHz 2Ch, 3: en ac3 48KHz 2Ch |
| 09:04.06 | DaBlade | Which one should I use? Please tell me |
| 09:04.40 | slayerbob | i would guess the 6 channel one :P |
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| 09:05.03 | DaBlade | it's the one I used and got commentaries on |
| 09:05.10 | DaBlade | I think |
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| 09:06.47 | eclipse75 | anybody know where the splash themes for kde are stored? |
| 09:07.07 | DaBlade | somewhere in ~/.kde I think lol |
| 09:08.19 | eclipse75 | DaBlade - it should be in .kde/apps, but I dont have a apps folder... |
| 09:08.28 | eclipse75 | or maybe im checking the wrong area |
| 09:11.38 | DaBlade | I think that may depend on the distro |
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| 09:25.01 | cIclops | this system starts a gnome login thingy after boot instead of the KDE one, how to change/remove it? |
| 09:25.17 | Noldo | cIclops: which distro? |
| 09:25.24 | cIclops | sorry, Debian 3.1 |
| 09:26.48 | Noldo | let me check it out |
| 09:27.09 | cIclops | thanks |
| 09:28.46 | Noldo | /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 09:29.00 | Noldo | change the text there |
| 09:29.33 | Noldo | I'm asuming you haven't made any alterations after install to the realated stuff |
| 09:30.13 | Noldo | and it says to you at boot something like : Not starting kdm, bacause KDM isn't the default display manager |
| 09:31.41 | cIclops | no, it's a standard installation |
| 09:32.04 | cIclops | i was thinking of just removing the gnome packages |
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| 09:32.48 | cIclops | after boot it starts the gnome login manager, and from that i can select a KDE session |
| 09:32.58 | cIclops | or a gnome one |
| 09:34.37 | cIclops | and when it exits from kde it returns to gdm |
| 09:35.19 | grepper | cIclops: yeah, what Noldo said, or "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" , or "apt-get remove gdm" |
| 09:35.41 | Noldo | grepper: yeah, the first one would propably be best |
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| 09:36.51 | cIclops | i see /etc/X11/default-display-manager simply contains /usr/bin/gdm - maybe it is safer to just change that to /usr/bin/kdm ? |
| 09:38.13 | Noldo | cIclops: atleast it's easy to chage it back |
| 09:39.14 | cIclops | yep, thanks again ... i'll try that |
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| 09:39.28 | slayerbob | hiya canllaith |
| 09:39.31 | canllaith | :) |
| 09:40.12 | sredna | Hi canllaith |
| 09:40.32 | canllaith | :) Heya sredna |
| 09:40.42 | sredna | Lots of splitting today :o |
| 09:42.19 | MrPingouin | say hello to freenode ;) |
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| 09:44.17 | michael_p | is there 3.4 srn shots |
| 09:44.26 | sredna | What shots? |
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| 09:44.56 | sredna | michael_p: 3.4 is released, source tarballs can be downloaded from http://www.kde.org/download |
| 09:45.00 | canllaith | wb brucehoult |
| 09:45.02 | sredna | Hi brucehoult :) |
| 09:45.13 | brucehoult | g'day canllaith, sredna |
| 09:45.32 | michael_p | cant yet downloading mandrake |
| 09:45.48 | canllaith | michael_p: screen shots? |
| 09:46.09 | sredna | Mandrake will make packages available for mandrakeclub members only iiutc |
| 09:46.22 | michael_p | what 10.0 |
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| 09:47.13 | canllaith | http://physos.features.net |
| 09:47.23 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/kde-3.4/index.html |
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| 09:47.31 | sredna | :) |
| 09:49.40 | lippel | features.physos.net ;-) |
| 09:49.47 | canllaith | oh bother |
| 09:49.50 | canllaith | :$ |
| 09:49.55 | canllaith | http://features.physos.net |
| 09:49.59 | canllaith | Stupid me |
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| 09:51.47 | the-erm | hi I don't suppose someone would like to explain to me how to set up a url hanlder so I can use irc:// for links |
| 09:53.00 | Noldo | and what would irc://irc.lut.fi do? |
| 09:53.18 | canllaith | lol :P |
| 09:53.22 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:53.25 | canllaith | I corrected :$ |
| 09:53.38 | Noldo | canllaith: you are forgiven |
| 09:54.38 | the-erm | or a tutorial on it would be nice :) I googled kde url handler, but nothing really came up of any use. |
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| 09:55.36 | sredna | I love kopete: 'and error happened that I unfortunately don't know anything about' (translated back from dainsh) |
| 09:55.46 | ponto | irc://irc.llut.fi in konqueror opens kopete |
| 09:56.25 | the-erm | I would like to set up something else other than kopete. Sorry I'm a gaim junkie I *need* the spell checker. |
| 09:56.42 | canllaith | lol .... gaim has a spell checker? |
| 09:56.47 | the-erm | yup. |
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| 09:56.57 | the-erm | I didn't know kopete had one. |
| 09:57.02 | canllaith | All KDE has one |
| 09:57.14 | the-erm | It's not in my distro's rpms. |
| 09:57.25 | the-erm | I guess I should turn it on an play with it then. |
| 09:58.01 | canllaith | It's on by default if you have aspell or ispell in your path |
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| 09:58.35 | sredna | Noldo: Edit the file KDEDIR/share/services/irc.protocol |
| 09:59.01 | sredna | Noldo: It has an exec:// field |
| 09:59.05 | sredna | Exec |
| 09:59.54 | sredna | Noldo: Notice that the application you assign it to needs to understand the URL though |
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| 10:00.51 | darkstar7562 | hello all |
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| 10:00.57 | slayerbob | allo |
| 10:01.29 | darkstar7562 | looking for speech recognition system under linux and kde |
| 10:01.46 | sredna | Noldo: For example to make it start ksirc, I'd have to point it to a script producing a command line that ksirc would understand (irc://irc.kde.org#kate -> 'ksirc --server irc.kde.org --channel #kate' for example) |
| 10:01.56 | Noldo | I don't want to know this :) |
| 10:02.25 | sredna | Noldo: Oops, wrong person :o |
| 10:02.34 | darkstar7562 | got the sphinx project, no more KVOICECONTROL available in debian kde at least |
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| 10:02.46 | sredna | the-erm: Edit the file KDEDIR/share/services/irc.protocol |
| 10:02.54 | sredna | the-erm: Notice that the application you assign it to needs to understand the URL though |
| 10:03.04 | sredna | the-erm: It has an exec field |
| 10:03.15 | sredna | the-erm: For example to make it start ksirc, I'd have to point it to a script producing a command line that ksirc would understand (irc://irc.kde.org#kate -> 'ksirc --server irc.kde.org --channel #kate' for example) |
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| 10:04.26 | the-erm | thanks. |
| 10:05.54 | the-erm | unfortunately gaim does not support that. |
| 10:05.57 | the-erm | Bummer. |
| 10:07.05 | sredna | the-erm: So, write a script. |
| 10:07.26 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:07.37 | darkstar7562 | anybody remembers KVOICECONTROL or other speech recognition for linux? no? |
| 10:07.53 | the-erm | unfortunately perl/tk/tcl are not my native languages. only php :( |
| 10:08.30 | slayerbob | perl is almost the same as php |
| 10:08.36 | slayerbob | i usually do not even notice the difference |
| 10:08.51 | the-erm | I beg to differ. |
| 10:09.12 | slayerbob | well php is admittedly a little more primitive |
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| 10:09.16 | slayerbob | but they are basically the same |
| 10:09.21 | darkstar7562 | ok i ask the devs, thx |
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| 10:09.57 | sarah03 | Hm. I notice that Perl and PHP are different, but that's because I've always found most Perl to resemble line noise. |
| 10:10.05 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:10.14 | slayerbob | perhaps it is just the way that i write perl :P |
| 10:10.50 | sredna | the-erm: For inspiration, here is what I'd do with ksirc to create a command to connect to the server: sed s,irc://((\w+\.)?\w+\.\w{2,3}),ksirc --server \1, |
| 10:11.30 | sarah03 | Ow. |
| 10:11.45 | sredna | If you know perl, PHP sucks badly, it soooo poor and unflexible :o |
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| 10:12.19 | slayerbob | yup would have to agree with that sredna :P |
| 10:13.33 | sredna | Hm, I wonder what I'm doing |
| 10:13.35 | slayerbob | it is beyond me how php ever became more popular than perl |
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| 10:13.42 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 10:13.56 | slayerbob | irc does that to people :P |
| 10:14.16 | sarah03 | slayerbob: Probably because PHP is easier to get off the ground with than perl? |
| 10:14.17 | sredna | I'm reading kate wishlist bugs, I think |
| 10:14.30 | slayerbob | sarah03: i found perl was simpler... |
| 10:14.42 | slayerbob | although php is simpler in the context of building web pages, but not much |
| 10:14.56 | sarah03 | I found that I couldn't make sense of perl the first time I tried looking at anything written in it. |
| 10:15.00 | sredna | slayerbob: Did you ever play with HTML::Mason? |
| 10:15.00 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:15.09 | slayerbob | sredna: nope although i am thinking that i should |
| 10:15.22 | slayerbob | a *lot* of paid work with perl seems to involve HTML::Mason |
| 10:15.22 | sarah03 | [See the comment about "line noise" above.] |
| 10:15.27 | sredna | Or embperl for that matter, but Mason really rocks fro websites |
| 10:15.56 | slayerbob | my project for this weekend is learning oo perl thoroughly |
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| 10:16.24 | slayerbob | since i just told someone i was an expert on it and they are expecting an application letter convincing them of that on tuesday :P |
| 10:16.42 | sredna | Lol, happy eastern :p |
| 10:16.59 | the-erm | preg is what get's me and it seems like that's the first thing explained in any tutorial I've ever read. |
| 10:17.01 | sredna | But hey, two or tree medium-sized manuals.. |
| 10:17.13 | the-erm | I'm almost adequate at it. |
| 10:17.47 | sredna | Preg? |
| 10:18.02 | the-erm | ((\w+\.)?\w+\.\w{2,3}) |
| 10:18.25 | slayerbob | you mean regular expressions ? |
| 10:18.39 | the-erm | Yes. |
| 10:19.16 | the-erm | It seems like there are 2 kinds. one from perl, and one that seems to be posix. Yet I could be wrong, and they are the same thing. |
| 10:19.21 | slayerbob | regular expressions are the reason i stuck with perl :P |
| 10:19.35 | slayerbob | they can be very elegant |
| 10:19.54 | sarah03 | They can be very elegant, and at the same time they can be absolutely hideous. |
| 10:20.08 | slayerbob | well that is a matter of skill on the part of the programmer :) |
| 10:20.16 | slayerbob | skilful programmers make them elegant |
| 10:20.23 | slayerbob | unskilled ones just make them unreadable :) |
| 10:20.27 | sarah03 | More often than not, I see regexps [both POSIX and perl] that are hideous. |
| 10:20.33 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:20.42 | the-erm | I guess I'll take a bulky $var = str_replace ($needle,$replace,$haystack); over ... what was it s// er something like that. |
| 10:20.51 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.07 | sredna | Like 'hiding <something>'? |
| 10:21.07 | slayerbob | sredna: hideous = really ugly |
| 10:21.10 | sredna | Ah |
| 10:21.48 | sredna | I disagree. I like regexps, esp in perl because they provide so much power |
| 10:22.06 | slayerbob | the-erm: regexp substitution is much more powerful than that |
| 10:22.08 | sarah03 | the-erm: But if what you're looking to do is parse a URL, $urlArr = parse_url($url); will do you better. |
| 10:22.24 | slayerbob | heh |
| 10:22.34 | the-erm | I agree they are good for that. |
| 10:22.48 | slayerbob | regexps are good for lots of text operations |
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| 10:26.01 | the-erm | I think one of the coolest things I've done with a regexp is parse the output of the giftd daemon. I was going to write a class, but never finished it. |
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| 10:32.13 | floyd_n_milan | how do i change the konsole prompt? |
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| 10:32.45 | hayden | where can i dload cursor themes, and how do i install them? |
| 10:33.29 | floyd_n_milan | hayden: www.kde-look.org |
| 10:34.37 | hayden | what are they under |
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| 10:36.05 | the-erm | floyd_n_milan: you can edit .bashrc and export PS1= there |
| 10:36.38 | floyd_n_milan | well, i'd like it something like user@hostname wd $ something like that... |
| 10:36.52 | floyd_n_milan | i don't know the syntax and stuff! |
| 10:37.00 | the-erm | floyd_n_milan: that's pretty easy hang on a second I'll give you mine .. |
| 10:37.13 | floyd_n_milan | the-erm: thanks :) |
| 10:37.29 | the-erm | export PS1='[\u@\h \w]\$ ' you can edit /etc/bashrc and make that system wide |
| 10:37.40 | floyd_n_milan | ah |
| 10:38.10 | floyd_n_milan | and is it possible to have a different colour for the root prompt and the normal user prompt? |
| 10:38.18 | the-erm | sure. |
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| 10:38.26 | floyd_n_milan | how? :S |
| 10:38.35 | Xirzon | can I somehow stop the kate text editor from going into the background on startup? |
| 10:39.13 | sredna | Xirzon: Sorry, what? |
| 10:39.31 | the-erm | if you add something to the script like if [ $USER == root ] then |
| 10:39.31 | the-erm | export PS1=ansiEscapesHere |
| 10:39.31 | the-erm | else |
| 10:39.31 | the-erm | export PS1=normal user here |
| 10:39.31 | the-erm | fi |
| 10:39.56 | the-erm | you might need to add "" around "$USER" and "root" |
| 10:41.16 | floyd_n_milan | ah... |
| 10:41.48 | floyd_n_milan | hmm.... are the bashrc customizations documented? i'd like to know em! |
| 10:42.13 | the-erm | Somewhere. |
| 10:42.40 | the-erm | try bashrc PS1 tutorial I'm sure that would give you a few answers. |
| 10:42.40 | floyd_n_milan | ah hehehe ok |
| 10:42.50 | floyd_n_milan | okies thanks :) |
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| 10:43.26 | floyd_n_milan | oh and another thing, how do i get numlock turned on on kde startup? |
| 10:44.11 | sredna | There is a checkbox for that somewhere, floyd_n_milan |
| 10:44.34 | floyd_n_milan | sredna: i thought so too... i just don't remember where and can't find it :S |
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| 10:44.46 | canllaith | Kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Keyboard |
| 10:44.50 | canllaith | NumLock on KDE Startup |
| 10:44.58 | floyd_n_milan | ah... *checks* |
| 10:45.28 | sredna | canllaith: Did you remember (know!) or check? :o |
| 10:45.39 | canllaith | lol I remembered, why? |
| 10:45.40 | floyd_n_milan | hmmm... i wonder how i missed that... thanks thought :) |
| 10:45.48 | canllaith | I documented Kcontrol for the userguide |
| 10:45.56 | canllaith | so I have read every dialog, every option. |
| 10:46.03 | sredna | canllaith: I'm just being impressed :) |
| 10:46.06 | canllaith | :P |
| 10:48.53 | the-erm | I feel hank hill at a propane convention. Sir it is an honor to meet you. |
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| 10:52.59 | the-erm | There goes a great bobbie man. He wrote the documentation for kcontrol. |
| 10:53.04 | willwork4foo | IHAQ about Kmail... how does one set up Kmail to use an LDAP Directory address book as it's default address book? |
| 10:53.14 | canllaith | erm, first things first I'm not a guy, and second you're being really silly. |
| 10:53.23 | willwork4foo | am trying to configure KDE 3.4 to be my work desktop environment |
| 10:53.25 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 10:53.30 | canllaith | Ullo willwork4foo :) |
| 10:53.32 | the-erm | Sorry I guess I'm tired, but it is an honnor. |
| 10:53.37 | canllaith | Tried using the groupware wizard? |
| 10:53.40 | willwork4foo | argh! canllaith! Ello gorgeous |
| 10:53.47 | willwork4foo | groupware wizard... hmm.... |
| 10:53.50 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:54.11 | canllaith | and ullo ullo. Flattery my dear, will get you absolutely nothing. |
| 10:54.11 | willwork4foo | ooooo |
| 10:54.19 | canllaith | ..... but free tech support, but you know that. |
| 10:54.23 | willwork4foo | nah - it will get me everything - you helped me ... |
| 10:54.24 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 10:54.29 | canllaith | heh |
| 10:54.29 | Bille | i thought i was the only furtler in kde... |
| 10:54.36 | willwork4foo | nah. I furtle liberally |
| 10:54.45 | canllaith | Nah, there's more poms than you can poke a stick at on some days |
| 10:55.20 | willwork4foo | bloody convict. |
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| 10:55.22 | willwork4foo | :) |
| 10:55.27 | Bille | i used to worry that .uk was going completely over to gnome, but not atm :) |
| 10:55.37 | willwork4foo | Bille: no way mate. |
| 10:55.46 | willwork4foo | Gnome of late has become.... misguided. |
| 10:55.49 | willwork4foo | imho |
| 10:55.54 | Bille | as long as we go and sort out those heretics down in wolverhampton |
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| 10:56.24 | willwork4foo | I used to prefer it over KDE, but afaiac since KDE 3.1 there has been a clear winner between the two. |
| 10:56.26 | willwork4foo | (KDE) |
| 10:56.31 | canllaith | convict? |
| 10:56.40 | canllaith | Who are you talkin a convict? I'm only first generation Australian lol |
| 10:56.45 | willwork4foo | I sense an injured tone... |
| 10:56.49 | the-erm | gnome isn't my thing, however I will give them this much. The accessibility's wizard was nice. |
| 10:56.54 | willwork4foo | ok, ok, you're not a convict canllaith... :) |
| 10:56.54 | canllaith | my parents moved there willingly, whether that's better or worse I'll let you decide ;) |
| 10:57.42 | willwork4foo | so I'm looking at the groupwarewizard.... |
| 10:57.56 | willwork4foo | I'm not sure that the server I want to connect to is any one of the four I see |
| 10:58.07 | willwork4foo | it's a bog standard LDAP server running on Solaris |
| 10:58.21 | Bille | willwork4foo: good good, could do with some more input checking if you feel like helping out |
| 10:58.35 | Bille | willwork4foo: no, the wizard doesn't do straight ldap yet |
| 10:58.41 | willwork4foo | aw poo. |
| 10:58.56 | Bille | willwork4foo: just add a resource in kaddressbook |
| 10:58.57 | willwork4foo | Bille: how come it does all sorts of other clever stuff, but no LDAP? |
| 10:59.05 | Bille | noone got their finger out |
| 10:59.53 | canllaith | So how's the kopete hotnewstuff happening Bille ? :) |
| 11:00.27 | Bille | canllaith: still hot |
| 11:00.42 | canllaith | :P You didn't put my emotes on there though :( |
| 11:00.55 | Bille | didn't i? |
| 11:01.01 | canllaith | mmmm or did you |
| 11:01.24 | Bille | my webspace is knacked :( |
| 11:01.32 | canllaith | Nope |
| 11:02.48 | Bille | canllaith: erm, your chatwindow styles are there |
| 11:03.02 | Bille | did you have emoticons too? i'm a bit hazy... |
| 11:05.11 | canllaith | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21370 |
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| 11:06.48 | sredna | Why are thry leaning to the side? |
| 11:06.59 | canllaith | because everaldo made them that way |
| 11:07.06 | sredna | Nice |
| 11:07.11 | canllaith | I got his permission though, so that is ok :) |
| 11:07.28 | sredna | I like them actually |
| 11:08.33 | willwork4foo | OOO. I got a message saying "Your KDE installation is missing LDAP support, please ask your administrator or distributor for more information" |
| 11:08.34 | willwork4foo | wtf????????? |
| 11:08.39 | canllaith | sredna: :) |
| 11:08.45 | willwork4foo | oh, hi sredna :) |
| 11:08.47 | canllaith | They go nicely with my ichat text kopete stylesheet |
| 11:08.55 | sredna | Hi willwork4foo :) |
| 11:08.56 | canllaith | which i have better screenshots for now |
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| 11:09.16 | sredna | I miss a :S one |
| 11:09.19 | willwork4foo | anyone know wtf my error message is on about? How can KDE not have LDAP support? |
| 11:09.22 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/styles/dessa.png |
| 11:09.23 | canllaith | That one |
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| 11:11.03 | Bille | willwork4foo: tell me your error message again? |
| 11:11.54 | willwork4foo | I'm trying to query an LDAP server from kaddressbook and I'm getting the error: "Your KDE installation is missing LDAP support, please ask your administrator or distributor for more information" |
| 11:11.57 | willwork4foo | which sucks |
| 11:12.06 | willwork4foo | because I need LDAP access to this address book |
| 11:12.07 | willwork4foo | :( |
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| 11:13.07 | Bille | ok, the ldap kioslave is not there |
| 11:13.20 | Bille | own packages or distro provided? |
| 11:13.21 | canllaith | ah so pretty :) Nice crystal x11 mouse cursors and nuvola and pretty wallpaper and pretty kopete. |
| 11:13.22 | willwork4foo | how do I fix that? |
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| 11:13.38 | willwork4foo | I got the packages from www.linuxpackages.net |
| 11:13.39 | willwork4foo | for slackware |
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| 11:14.28 | Bille | looks like they either split the packages up so ldap support is in a separate package, which you can install (if you're lucky) |
| 11:14.48 | canllaith | Slack doesn't usually do that |
| 11:14.50 | Bille | or they were slack and decided their users didn't need it, and compiled it without ldap |
| 11:14.54 | canllaith | although, linuxpackages.net is third party packages.... |
| 11:15.09 | canllaith | You'd have been much better to wait for official ones. |
| 11:15.11 | oneforall | get the slack build scripts |
| 11:15.41 | willwork4foo | so... can I fix this? |
| 11:16.05 | canllaith | If it's been built without ldap you can only fix it by |
| 11:16.10 | willwork4foo | rebuilding it. |
| 11:16.13 | willwork4foo | :( |
| 11:16.15 | willwork4foo | bugger |
| 11:16.16 | canllaith | rebuilding with ldap, or installing packages that have it. |
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| 11:16.32 | willwork4foo | oh well. so much for using Kmail. I guess I'll go back to mozila |
| 11:16.34 | Bille | willwork4foo: divvent be soft, man! |
| 11:16.44 | Bille | (as we say in newcastle) |
| 11:16.49 | willwork4foo | Bille: aye, reet man. |
| 11:17.40 | Bille | there are (whispers) Other Distributions which include all the bells and whistles |
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| 11:18.39 | willwork4foo | aye I ken than man |
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| 11:18.51 | willwork4foo | Bille: MAKE IT WORK WITH LDAP.... :) |
| 11:19.03 | oneforall | willwork4foo grab the slack buils scripts from ftp.slackware.com :) |
| 11:19.12 | Bille | hey, groupwise is just a big hack around ldap :) |
| 11:19.13 | oneforall | build* |
| 11:19.31 | Bille | but i think you're thinking of groupWare |
| 11:20.16 | kai0shin | i am on kde, i want to creare a folder on hda1... it does not allow me... how do i get write access? |
| 11:21.41 | ponto | kai0shin: is hda1 mounted? |
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| 11:22.00 | kai0shin | yes |
| 11:22.08 | willwork4foo | right - am going to try getting the slackware build scripts from ftp.slackware.com and making my own KDE |
| 11:22.10 | kai0shin | i can c it on the desktop |
| 11:22.51 | FrostByte | is there a simple way to change my K menu icon without changing an icon set? ( KDE 3.3.0, SuSE Pro 9.2 ) |
| 11:23.03 | slayerbob | sure |
| 11:23.16 | willwork4foo | oneforall: where would the KDE 3.4 build scripts be on ftp.slackware.com ???????? |
| 11:23.18 | slayerbob | just replace the icon with another one on the hdd :) |
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| 11:23.25 | willwork4foo | I don't see them anywhere |
| 11:23.31 | kai0shin | i can go into hda1 and see the data, but i cant change or add |
| 11:23.33 | ponto | kai0shin: and your sysadmin gave you the right to write on it? |
| 11:23.46 | oneforall | willwork4foo nothe latest ones and eit then |
| 11:23.57 | oneforall | edit |
| 11:24.04 | FrostByte | slayerbob: you mean replace the icon for the K menu in an icon set, correct? |
| 11:24.05 | oneforall | chang eht version |
| 11:24.06 | kai0shin | it is kde the single cd version |
| 11:24.24 | kai0shin | i just booted up |
| 11:24.45 | oneforall | them* |
| 11:25.04 | kai0shin | i want to write to my c drive - system has winows |
| 11:25.06 | willwork4foo | oneforall: ? |
| 11:25.11 | ponto | kai0shin: then i guess you have only the right to modify your home folder, which is a virtual temp one. |
| 11:25.15 | kai0shin | im running kde |
| 11:25.19 | willwork4foo | kai0shin: what filesystem does windows use? |
| 11:25.24 | willwork4foo | FAT32 or NTFS? |
| 11:25.26 | ponto | kai0shin: is it fat32 or ntfs? |
| 11:25.28 | kai0shin | ntfs |
| 11:25.38 | willwork4foo | cos if it runs NTFS you got little (no) chance |
| 11:25.44 | slayerbob | sure you do |
| 11:25.47 | ponto | kai0shin: then you should not write to it. |
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| 11:25.49 | willwork4foo | write support for NTFS has partial support |
| 11:25.50 | slayerbob | 2.6 kernels support write |
| 11:25.57 | cozy | hi all |
| 11:26.03 | willwork4foo | slayerbob: it supports partial write. |
| 11:26.06 | kai0shin | what does xhost do? |
| 11:26.06 | slayerbob | and there is a project that safely writes even new files using the windows drivers from linux |
| 11:26.09 | gregday__ | has the Captive driver been merged? |
| 11:26.10 | cozy | anybody using ksirc? |
| 11:26.11 | willwork4foo | you cannot change filesizes |
| 11:26.11 | ponto | kai0shin: the linux ntfs write support is not considered to be stable enough for all uses. |
| 11:26.15 | oneforall | willwork4foo you can get the lasted ones there and edit them |
| 11:26.25 | willwork4foo | oneforall: ?? |
| 11:26.30 | willwork4foo | sorry, I don't follow you. |
| 11:26.46 | ponto | kai0shin: The Live CD is to evaulate KDE and not to modify the existing system. |
| 11:26.56 | oneforall | the lates build scripts and change the version # edit to your liking |
| 11:27.35 | kai0shin | i just want to create a folder on the hda1 |
| 11:27.51 | willwork4foo | so... use this script... ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware_source/kde/KDE.SlackBuild |
| 11:28.22 | slayerbob | kai0shin: have a look at captive - that will probably do what you want |
| 11:28.32 | slayerbob | http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 11:28.39 | ponto | kai0shin: this would be no problem with fat32. but you should not modify a ntfs filesystem from a live CD |
| 11:29.54 | kai0shin | i see |
| 11:30.03 | kai0shin | now if it was fat... how would i modify? |
| 11:30.32 | oneforall | willwork4foo well that one will build each of them and install if you want or just do each one and install after you check themm :) |
| 11:30.52 | willwork4foo | oneforall: I think I'll just go ahead and install the lot. |
| 11:30.54 | willwork4foo | :) |
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| 11:31.16 | slayerbob | kai0shin: just add an appropriate line to your /etc/fstab and then mount the drive for fat32 |
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| 11:31.28 | willwork4foo | once I backrev my KDE installation out of 3.4 into 3.3.2, I'll run the install script out of X then all will be shiny. (hopefully) |
| 11:31.29 | ponto | kai0shin: if the live cd mounts the device such that you have the right to modify it. just right click -> create new -> folder |
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| 11:31.44 | kai0shin | yes |
| 11:31.49 | oneforall | don't forget all you need is the scripts and get the new src and edit each one for the new verion. the line in there is pretty straight forward |
| 11:31.50 | kai0shin | but it does not |
| 11:31.58 | ponto | kai0shin: you should be able to do it in your home folder |
| 11:32.08 | kai0shin | i used xhost + once for this |
| 11:32.19 | oneforall | slack-desc too just not the old src files |
| 11:32.31 | kai0shin | what does xhost do? |
| 11:32.35 | ponto | kai0shin: xhost + has nothing to do with file permissions. |
| 11:33.06 | oneforall | me I'd rather not use that first script and do each check em and uopgradpkg :) |
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| 11:38.40 | Bille | willwork4foo: rememeber when you build kdebase to make sure you have openldap devel packages |
| 11:39.07 | Bille | willwork4foo: they are optional so it won't error out. it'd be easy to sleepwalk through and end up with what you have now. |
| 11:43.00 | willwork4foo | Bille: openldap packages? |
| 11:43.05 | willwork4foo | not part of KDE? |
| 11:43.29 | willwork4foo | grr what's the slackware equivalent of pkginfo |
| 11:43.31 | willwork4foo | lol' |
| 11:44.21 | Bille | willwork4foo: do you think we would have our own ldap implementation inside of kde, when there are existing alternatives? |
| 11:44.28 | willwork4foo | true |
| 11:44.29 | willwork4foo | I gotta go |
| 11:44.31 | willwork4foo | bbiab |
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| 11:44.45 | cozy | hi again |
| 11:45.21 | cozy | how can i make the multicolumn view in konq wider? |
| 11:45.42 | sredna | ? |
| 11:45.45 | cozy | right now the columns are so slim, i can only see 4-5 chars of the files |
| 11:46.25 | cozy | in 3.3 they were wider, AFAIR |
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| 11:47.27 | kai0shin | what linux command can show me the filesystems of my disks? |
| 11:48.08 | sredna | cozy: You mean the icon view, right? |
| 11:48.34 | sredna | cozy: Here, the multicolumn view adjusts the width of columns, whereas icon view cuts file names |
| 11:48.40 | thiago | kai0shin: none |
| 11:48.43 | cozy | sredna: no no, the multicolumn view |
| 11:49.12 | cozy | the icon view looks ok, but multicolumn trims the files |
| 11:49.21 | cozy | the file names, ofc |
| 11:49.51 | sredna | cozy: Ah, there is a setting for that, in the 'apearance' panel in konquerors configuration |
| 11:50.02 | sredna | cozy: Icon text width or stlt |
| 11:50.28 | sredna | cozy: The setting is a maximum, and if you set a large width, it will adjust each column |
| 11:50.33 | sredna | Hey thiago |
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| 11:51.23 | thiago | hey sredna |
| 11:51.25 | cozy | sredna: ah i see. |
| 11:51.38 | cozy | but the implementation is strange. |
| 11:52.37 | cozy | i've put 1000px, that mean my view won't be larger or shorter than 1000 px |
| 11:53.32 | Alver | I used to have my kde menus translucent (xrender blend) without problems, but recently something strange happened - whereas the wallpaper used to be visible through it, it's now only vaguely visible, and right after loading KDE, it takes three seconds for the menu text to show when opening it. After that, it works. |
| 11:54.12 | Alver | I have a feeling I have set an option that influences this, but I can't seem to find it... does someone have a hint? |
| 11:54.54 | sredna | Alver: If you have xcomposite enabled, kde can use taht to do 'true' transperancy. Maybe you are using that? |
| 11:55.08 | sredna | cozy: All that I can say is that it seems to work fine here |
| 11:55.20 | Alver | sredna: possible, I really wouldn't know. How do I check? |
| 11:55.31 | sredna | cozy: I agree that the option is misnamed |
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| 11:55.50 | cozy | sredna: ah yeah, i found the problem too, there was a file with a very long name ..., and the made the view go wild :D |
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| 11:55.56 | sredna | Alver: There is a tab in the control panel somewhere, I think window hehavior |
| 11:56.39 | sredna | cozy: Yea, finding a resonable value is smart... here it is 600px, which I believe is default, as I never touched it |
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| 11:57.04 | Alver | sredna: the point is, the transparency works fine (I can see the windows underneath the menu, so it's "true" transparency) but I noticed the heavy lag when loading menus only started when the wallpaper was being displayed in a different way. |
| 11:57.36 | Alver | Setting the type of translucency (software tint/blend, Xrender blend) doesn't change this. |
| 11:58.09 | cozy | hm..the next problem : how can i disable seeing the {zip,tgz,bz2} archives in the tree view of konq ? i'm already digging in configs |
| 12:00.00 | sredna | Alver: It's not 'true' translucency, it's a hack :) |
| 12:00.12 | Alver | sredna: I know. Hence the '' ;) |
| 12:00.42 | Alver | I'm waiting for Xserver to become useable, but I'm okay with the ugly hack as long as I don't get the lag |
| 12:01.39 | grepper | hm, why is my swap partition showing up in media:/ ? That could be confusing for some when they try to mount it |
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| 12:28.29 | cozy | how can i make, when i insert a DVD in DVD unit, kaffeine starts it? |
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| 12:28.59 | njaard | help me |
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| 12:31.35 | slayerbob | what do you need help with njaard ? |
| 12:31.54 | njaard | the people in #kde-devel are being morons |
| 12:32.00 | slayerbob | ah |
| 12:32.02 | slayerbob | lol |
| 12:32.25 | ilyak | cozy: using HAL, yes |
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| 12:33.04 | gribouille | hi |
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| 12:38.26 | sredna | njaard: What did I say :o |
| 12:39.05 | njaard | sredna: it's just no development in action |
| 12:39.16 | sredna | Lol |
| 12:40.40 | cozy | ilyak: aha...is there any guide how to do it? |
| 12:41.22 | ilyak | cozy: Not sure |
| 12:41.23 | njaard | how do you sleep for less than a second, in bash? |
| 12:41.44 | njaard | sleep .1 |
| 12:42.52 | cozy | ilyak: i found in kdenonbeta a kdeautorun |
| 12:43.22 | cozy | there a quite interesting stuff in kdenonbeta |
| 12:43.22 | grepper | anyone know why my swap partition is showing up in media:/ ? :P |
| 12:46.05 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 12:46.09 | canllaith | serious? That's impresive |
| 12:48.22 | grepper | canllaith: I wish browsing my memory was so easy :) |
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| 13:01.30 | doobeh | Hi, how can I set the text on the menubar of applications (File | Edit | View &c.) to be smaller? |
| 13:01.51 | doobeh | the font section within the kde control panel doesn't seem to affect it |
| 13:02.22 | doobeh | or rather, it only affects kde based applications, I'm trying to resize firefox and xchat menus |
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| 13:03.55 | Quinn_Storm | does anyone know why (and if it is correct that) all the hard-disc entries in media:/ on my box are named things like "1.0G Media", "16G Media", etc.? |
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| 13:04.01 | dipesh | hi * |
| 13:07.55 | sredna | doobeh: You need to fix your gtk settings then |
| 13:09.15 | canllaith | doobeh: yeah KDE doesn't regulate the font settings of non kde applications unless you install the gtk-qt engine |
| 13:09.24 | canllaith | This is answered in the faq that's in the topic as you come into the channel |
| 13:09.49 | canllaith | http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/non-kde-apps.html#id2880039 |
| 13:10.20 | doobeh | Yeah, sorry just been reading it :) |
| 13:10.34 | doobeh | But the gtk-qt is already installed, but I can't see it in the control panel |
| 13:10.36 | Quinn_Storm | so, anyone have any idea about the media:/ thing? is that correct behaviour? it doesn't seem like it... |
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| 13:11.23 | doobeh | Can you think of any reason why it doesn't show up in the control panel? Or how to invoke it manually? |
| 13:11.45 | canllaith | That you haven't installed it properly or that you're using a very old version |
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| 13:12.19 | Quinn_Storm | doobeh: have you rebuilt your sycoca since you installed it? sometimes installers don't invoke kbuildsycoca so it won't show up till you do that or log out/back in |
| 13:13.00 | Shaquile | Can I change the resolution in KDE or do I have to edit the file manually? |
| 13:13.00 | doobeh | Version : 0.5-9.3 |
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| 13:14.28 | doobeh | Shaquile, control panel > Peripherals > Monitor |
| 13:14.51 | fubar73 | compiled all of kde3.4. set dir to start and still nothing. anyone help? |
| 13:14.54 | doobeh | I'll try relogging and see if that kickstarts anything |
| 13:14.59 | Shaquile | doobeh: Yea.. the thing is that I don't have Monitor there. |
| 13:15.07 | Shaquile | doobeh: Nevermind.. :P |
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| 13:18.38 | doobeh | Hmm, still not there |
| 13:20.09 | Shaquile | doobeh: I have to install some ATI drivers to get a better resolution I think.. |
| 13:21.39 | fubar73 | anyone know what folders the paths are set to start kde? |
| 13:22.09 | sredna | fubar73: Please rephrase, you make 0 sense |
| 13:22.21 | njaard | sredna: 0L sense :] |
| 13:22.24 | Shaquile | Hehe |
| 13:22.52 | fubar73 | well i compiled kde3.4, set the paths and changed directory to start but still starts in kde 3.2 |
| 13:22.57 | sredna | Or 0LL |
| 13:23.06 | njaard | sredna: 0.0? |
| 13:23.34 | sredna | fubar73: Using startx, or logging in with kdm? |
| 13:23.48 | fubar73 | kdm |
| 13:24.46 | sredna | fubar73: Either add a session for your new kde to the old kdm configuration, or configure your system to use the new kdm (that is system dependant) |
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| 13:26.25 | nitro25 | where is the new kdm located? |
| 13:27.04 | sredna | nitro25: What? |
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| 13:27.29 | nitro25 | sredna: you said config system to use new kdm |
| 13:27.49 | nitro25 | was just wondering if nw 3.4 came with a new kdm :) |
| 13:27.51 | sredna | nitro25: How to do that is system dependant. |
| 13:28.15 | sredna | nitro25: It does, and it's installed along with the rest of kde 3.4 |
| 13:28.58 | nitro25 | ahh so i would have to point my system to the new kdm and set new kdm to start kde3.2 |
| 13:29.04 | nitro25 | 3.4^ |
| 13:29.10 | nitro25 | that sounds like a pain |
| 13:29.13 | sredna | nitro25: Selecting which dm to use might include editing system files (ie, here, on gentoo, I had to edit a very private script) |
| 13:29.25 | nitro25 | ick |
| 13:29.38 | nitro25 | so editing the old sounds like a less pain |
| 13:29.41 | sredna | nitro25: So it might be easier to add the new kde session to the old kem |
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| 13:29.59 | sredna | The new kdm is cooler though, e.g it's themable |
| 13:30.07 | nitro25 | ahh sweet |
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| 13:30.45 | nitro25 | so the kdm your talking would be the file in /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ |
| 13:31.05 | willwork4foo | Hi... how do I apply a .diff file to something? I've got the KDE 3.4 source tarballs, and a .diff file for one of them... |
| 13:31.16 | willwork4foo | I've got kdepim-fix-imap-resource-type.diff |
| 13:31.38 | willwork4foo | I don't see any kind of howto on applying the diff |
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| 13:36.18 | willwork4foo | anyone around? |
| 13:36.20 | willwork4foo | canllaith? |
| 13:38.24 | sredna | nitro25: You better look in your configuration files (kdmrc) |
| 13:38.35 | sredna | willwork4foo: Man patch |
| 13:38.59 | sredna | willwork4foo: But generally, 'patch < <patchfile>' |
| 13:39.33 | sredna | willwork4foo: Trying 'patch --dry-run < <patchfile>' first is clever, it will show if patch encountered any problems |
| 13:40.01 | willwork4foo | sredna: I'm trying to work out how to use patch. sorry - I suppose I should have phrased my question better.... when I try to run "patch < kdepim-fix-imap-resource-type.diff" I get asked which file I want to patch |
| 13:40.04 | sredna | willwork4foo: And you should be in the correct directory.. |
| 13:40.45 | willwork4foo | I am in the base directory of the source tarball. |
| 13:40.47 | sredna | willwork4foo: Given you are in the correct directory, try 'patch -p0 < <patchfile>' |
| 13:40.58 | willwork4foo | it still asks for the filename to patch |
| 13:41.17 | willwork4foo | hang on - lemme see if I can work this out from reading the .diff code through... |
| 13:41.22 | sredna | willwork4foo: Look in the patch for the files it changes, and move it and yourself into that directory |
| 13:42.36 | willwork4foo | aha I think I see the problem. the .diff is trying to modify something in the kcal directory, but the kcal directory doesn't exist. |
| 13:42.48 | willwork4foo | that's odd... surely it ought to be there as part of kdepim? |
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| 13:44.14 | willwork4foo | aw to hell with it. I'm not going to bother trying to apply this patch - it doesn't want to work. |
| 13:44.43 | mellow | hi. i am trying to compile arts, but it seems as the doc directory is not created during "make install". is there an option to install the docs, too? |
| 13:45.40 | sredna | willwork4foo: I have src/kde/kdepim/libkcal |
| 13:45.53 | fubar73 | ksplash: WARNING: KGeneric Factory: instance requested but no instance name passed to the constructor! is one error sredna |
| 13:46.05 | fubar73 | when trying to start 3.4 kde |
| 13:46.36 | sredna | fubar73: Ignore warnings, unless they precede a fatal problem |
| 13:46.48 | fubar73 | ok |
| 13:47.03 | fubar73 | well is not gettin it to start at all fatal? lol |
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| 13:57.31 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 13:57.42 | annma | hi! |
| 13:57.44 | Shaquile | Your X server does not suppor resizing and rotating the display. |
| 13:57.55 | sredna | Yes it does :o |
| 13:57.56 | Shaquile | That comes up when I want to change resolution in KDE.. |
| 13:59.41 | Shaquile | What's the res after 1024x768? 1280x1024 = |
| 13:59.50 | Shaquile | ? |
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| 14:00.07 | willwork4foo | am now compiling KDE 3.4, tarball by tarball |
| 14:00.09 | willwork4foo | by hand. |
| 14:00.22 | willwork4foo | because the **** slackware build script doesn't work. |
| 14:00.59 | annma | willwork4foo: you can write a bsh script |
| 14:01.02 | annma | bash |
| 14:01.15 | willwork4foo | annma: I could, but I can't be bothered to work out how. |
| 14:01.38 | annma | ;) |
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| 14:11.15 | Oleg_ | yo |
| 14:11.29 | Oleg_ | help me with amarok |
| 14:11.44 | Oleg_ | with getting my Konqueror read some java page |
| 14:11.55 | annma | Oleg_: there's an #amarok channel |
| 14:11.58 | Oleg_ | I just wanna play the damn amarok! |
| 14:11.59 | Oleg_ | oh |
| 14:12.00 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 14:12.26 | Oleg_ | sorry for yo |
| 14:12.35 | Oleg_ | It just comes naturally to me |
| 14:13.14 | Oleg_ | LISTEN, I REALLY PEOPLE WANT YOU TO ORDER SOMEONE TO HELP YOU |
| 14:13.22 | Oleg_ | INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR HELP |
| 14:13.31 | annma | no caps |
| 14:13.41 | Oleg_ | orders, orders, and orders |
| 14:13.53 | taupter | Hello. I'm trying to compile kdelibs-3.4.0 to Mandrakelinux 10.1 (helping compiling stuff to rpm.nyvalls.se) and got an error when libtooling ktradertest: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status. Mr. Tobbr told me it was about I would need the latest version of geo. |
| 14:14.07 | annma | Oleg_: I just said that in #amarok they are specialized for amarok |
| 14:14.09 | taupter | WTF geo is he talking about? |
| 14:14.16 | Oleg_ | yeah, I got there |
| 14:14.24 | taupter | Oleg, it's an order! :) |
| 14:14.27 | annma | Oleg_: so stop talking nonsense please |
| 14:14.31 | dipesh | anybody know of a solution/idear how something like connect( myObj, SIGNAL(mysignal(QString)), myOtherObj, SLOT(myslot(QVariant)) ) could be archived? |
| 14:14.44 | annma | archived? |
| 14:15.02 | Oleg_ | annma: no, it wasn't related to amarok, I just people to rule someone |
| 14:15.04 | Oleg_ | else |
| 14:15.07 | annma | you connect only methods with the same argument, dipesh |
| 14:15.26 | dipesh | annma: afaik it isn't possible cause QString != QVariant.... but I need in some way to have a common slot() to handle e.g. signal(int), signal(bool), ... |
| 14:15.33 | annma | mySLot(QString) |
| 14:16.04 | annma | you use several connect in that case and several slots |
| 14:16.29 | dipesh | what is a mess if more then one argument got passed :-( |
| 14:17.04 | Oleg_ | taupter: I am talking about forgetting about manners |
| 14:17.11 | Oleg_ | because they just bother me |
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| 14:17.30 | Oleg_ | it's a pain for me to be polite |
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| 14:17.40 | taupter | Nice, Oleg_. But could you help me anyway? |
| 14:18.01 | Oleg_ | yeah |
| 14:18.51 | taupter | So help me! :) |
| 14:19.03 | sredna | dipesh: You should have your slot accept a QVariant as well |
| 14:19.15 | annma | taupter: what is the exact error? use a paste bin to paste it please |
| 14:19.25 | Oleg_ | yeah |
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| 14:19.32 | ralf | Hi all |
| 14:19.44 | annma | taupter: I did not understand what the error is and when |
| 14:19.45 | ralf | lol, gnome.org is down |
| 14:20.05 | sredna | ralf: Boy, I'll have to go get drunk then :0 |
| 14:20.41 | taupter | Http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcFsVV86.html |
| 14:21.27 | dipesh | sredna: ehh... I got n signals with n arguments. It's easy to determinate what the arguments are by parsing the const char* signal(...) like dcop does. Even marshalling them is easy. But I don't have a receiver QObject that knows how the slot(...) arguments should look like. So, only solution would be to have n slots(...) handling all kind of argument-combinations like slot(QString, bool) and slot(bool, QString) ? |
| 14:22.52 | Oleg_ | check your qt |
| 14:23.26 | dipesh | sredna: connect(whateversignal, SLOT(ballback())) is possible. if on emit of whateversignal there would be just a way to reach the arguments... |
| 14:25.10 | sredna | dipesh: I think you are expected to know what will be passed to you |
| 14:25.16 | dipesh | QSignalMapper does only redirect signals. dcop too and other solutions in kde/kdebindings too :-( |
| 14:25.21 | Oleg_ | put QT in your PATH directory |
| 14:26.01 | Oleg_ | export PATH=/usr/lib/qt3/bin/:$PATH |
| 14:26.03 | dipesh | sredna: not really cause I don't know what QObject signals got connected... |
| 14:27.22 | sredna | dipesh: So basically you want to connect somthing you dont' know to something else you don't know? Afaik that is not possible |
| 14:27.34 | dipesh | sredna: as sayed, I am able to determinate them with QMeta* and by parsing the signal, but the problem is, that I would still need n types of slots to handle all cases of argument-combinations at compiletime while I know how they should look like at runtime. |
| 14:28.08 | Oleg_ | taupter: so? |
| 14:28.37 | sredna | taupter: Looking for installed packages matching 'geo' returns 0 here |
| 14:28.45 | dipesh | sredna: so, not possible to work dynamic with slots at runtime? :-( |
| 14:28.54 | sredna | http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcFsVV86.html |
| 14:29.26 | Oleg_ | add QT to your PATH; that's all |
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| 14:29.33 | sredna | dipesh: I think QObject, using const char comparisons, would not understand using QVariant |
| 14:29.35 | Oleg_ | and your problem will be solved |
| 14:29.51 | pybe | is there a away i can adjust the size of the external task bar? |
| 14:30.05 | sredna | dipesh: Implement it in perl, dynamic typed variables :-) |
| 14:30.19 | sredna | pybe: The config dialog lets you do that |
| 14:30.31 | annma | taupter: echo $QTDIR paste the result |
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| 14:30.57 | pybe | sredna: i cant see anything size related |
| 14:30.57 | dipesh | sredna: ok. that's what I assumed, but till a few seconds ago I hoped there is still a work :-/ .... btw, I implementate an embedded python system, so that's where the problems are located :) |
| 14:31.48 | dipesh | s/work/way around/; |
| 14:32.03 | dipesh | sredna: thanks. |
| 14:32.05 | annma | taupter: ping |
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| 14:32.15 | sredna | dipesh: Maybe you should use callback instead then |
| 14:32.29 | sredna | dipesh: That way QVariant could work |
| 14:32.41 | pybe | sredna: "configure external taskbar" not "configure panel" |
| 14:32.49 | dipesh | sredna: what works already. but I need to work with slots and signals too. |
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| 14:35.31 | fubar73 | sredna still not finding kde3.4 any idea? |
| 14:36.14 | sredna | fubar73: No, as I dont' know your system. |
| 14:36.30 | sredna | fubar73: Point it to /location/of/kde3.4/bin/kdm |
| 14:36.41 | sredna | fubar73: Point it to /location/of/kde3.4/bin/startkde |
| 14:36.45 | sredna | I mean |
| 14:36.53 | fubar73 | yeah i did that |
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| 14:37.08 | fubar73 | still starts 3.2 kde when i did it |
| 14:37.40 | fubar73 | very strange |
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| 14:37.48 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:38.05 | nitro25 | DexterF!!!!!! |
| 14:38.11 | nitro25 | whats swinging? |
| 14:38.22 | nitro25 | mang |
| 14:38.54 | DexterF | uh.. you are...? |
| 14:39.09 | nitro25 | ha! |
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| 14:39.31 | fubar73 | this is frustrating |
| 14:41.15 | fubar73 | i followed the readme perfectly and 3.4 won't work. "sigh" |
| 14:41.27 | nitro25 | kick it to the curb! |
| 14:41.32 | fubar73 | 2 days to cmpile and bleah |
| 14:41.39 | fubar73 | hehe nitro |
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| 14:43.34 | fubar73 | i wonder if when i set the exports they didn't save the paths? |
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| 14:48.27 | sredna | sarah03: Do you know of a nice javascript reference online? |
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| 14:50.38 | sarah03 | sredna: Er... hm. Any specifics on the sort of ref you're looking for? |
| 14:51.03 | sredna | sarah03: A complete language reference? Like objects, methods etc |
| 14:51.16 | sredna | sarah03: The best I found is at devgugu |
| 14:51.20 | sredna | Guru |
| 14:51.32 | sarah03 | I was going to say, that depends really on the target environment. |
| 14:52.07 | sredna | Lol, katepart |
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| 14:52.14 | sarah03 | Though I suspect it's a browser, and in that case you're best off finding the refs for basically each and every browser. :( |
| 14:52.35 | sredna | I'm just rusty on the finer details of javascript regex for example |
| 14:53.51 | sarah03 | Go dig up the Mozilla SpiderMonkey ref... though, mostly, JavaScript regex are pretty similar to perl regex. |
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| 14:55.57 | sredna | sarah03: It's not the expressions, it's the surrouding methods. Test, search etc. |
| 14:56.02 | sredna | But thanks :) |
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| 14:56.18 | sredna | ... and we really need a kjs reference :) |
| 14:56.29 | sarah03 | Yeah, it would be nice. |
| 14:56.38 | IRCMonkey_ | definitely |
| 14:57.29 | sarah03 | [And discovering various broken things, like HTMLSelectElementImpl::setValue.] |
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| 14:59.46 | delta | Hi. |
| 14:59.58 | delta | Someone knowing Kile? |
| 15:00.32 | sredna | sarah03: Would you be interrested in working on a kjs user scripting reference ? |
| 15:00.48 | sredna | delta: I'm resonably familliar with the editor component, but not with the kile application |
| 15:01.11 | sarah03 | sredna: When/if I can come up with some time. |
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| 15:01.38 | sredna | sarah03: Ok, let me know if you'd like to work with me on such a thing |
| 15:02.50 | delta | sredna: any suggested channel to ask for help. Kile is LaTeX editor and I'm trying to understand how to write \'e when I press é |
| 15:03.31 | sredna | delta: I know what kile is, I'm working on the editor ocmponent |
| 15:04.03 | sredna | delta: What you suggest is some sort of autoreplacement, and unless kile adds that, we havent got that |
| 15:04.04 | delta | sredna: cool, you must be able to help :) |
| 15:04.51 | delta | sredna: it's pretty usefull. I use WinEdt too (on windows) and it has this feature. It helps to keep a portable code. |
| 15:05.17 | delta | sredna: maybe there is a simple hack to allow this? |
| 15:05.22 | sredna | delta: What does it do in that editor? How does it work? Could you send a desctiotion to kwrite-devel@kde.org? |
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| 15:06.25 | sredna | delta: No simple hacks, it requires some sort of plugin that watches keypress events, and does replacement at some points (like after leaving a word) |
| 15:06.44 | ysm | is there a reason why deleting file in trash (with kio_trash) can take 42.5% of CPU ? |
| 15:06.52 | sredna | delta: I'd be interrested in supporting implementation :) |
| 15:07.34 | delta | sredna: well, it's really simple. You can bind any key to a particular sequence, meaning that pressing "é" is translated to "\'e". It has other features but I don't use them (but this one would be pretty usefull, at least from my point of view). |
| 15:08.11 | sredna | delta: I think that wouldn't be too hard to provide, in a plugin |
| 15:09.09 | delta | sredna: In fact, the set of bindings is customisable; it works in different contexts. For example, you can press "é", it will display a "é" but will save out the sequence "\'e" keeping your (source) file portable but making it easier to read (and easier to parse ;)). |
| 15:09.43 | ysm | 4 minutes to delete directories, that don't make sense.. |
| 15:09.50 | sredna | delta: So it displays something differing from the file? |
| 15:10.03 | sredna | delta: Interresting |
| 15:10.50 | delta | sredna: exactly. I don't use this feature myself but some of my colleagues do |
| 15:11.47 | delta | For now, I'll only need a conversion keyboard accentuated letter --> usual LaTeX sequence |
| 15:13.29 | delta | sredna: at the moment, I'm using the accentuated letters menu, dropping the "é" with the mouse but it's a bit, well, boring :) |
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| 15:16.18 | sredna | delta: I had earlier today a thought about implementing configurable load/save filters and actions. This fits into my line of thought just fine. |
| 15:17.00 | sredna | delta: So maybe a plugin at some point to do interactive replacing, and load/save filtering with a future version. |
| 15:17.38 | delta | sredna: perfect. I'm just wondering if I don't miss something in Kile, yet implemented, and allowing to do the simple action I need. |
| 15:17.53 | sredna | delta: I dont' think so |
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| 15:19.48 | delta | sredna: ok. Thanks for your help. |
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| 15:24.37 | delta | sredna: btw, I'm getting a few warnings on console. Interested? |
| 15:24.53 | sredna | delta: #kate |
| 15:25.20 | delta | sredna: should I paste it there? |
| 15:26.12 | _apollo2011_ | I want to use the KDE Remote Desktoping to access my Linux desktop from my laptop running Windows with RealVNC. I have the connection working both ways, but I have to be at the desktop to authenticate the laptop to remote desktop. I need away to do everything remotely to get the connection established. |
| 15:29.11 | sarah03 | Ok. Well, I was going to answer him. |
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| 15:31.44 | sredna | Another (too) impatient soul |
| 15:32.10 | sarah03 | Hm. "var ret = rpc.ObjectStore.multicall([{ref: selectedImage, method: 'setProperty', args: ['title', document.getElementById('imageEditTitle').value]}, ...]);" |
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| 15:33.39 | sredna | Named arguments hack? |
| 15:33.55 | ysm | object creation |
| 15:34.01 | sarah03 | sredna: OO invocations of PHP code via a JavaScript XML-RPC client. |
| 15:34.30 | sarah03 | {foo: 'bar'} in JavaScript creates an object with a property 'foo', set to the string 'bar'. |
| 15:34.44 | sredna | Named arguments hack. |
| 15:34.52 | sarah03 | And ['foo', 'bar'] creates an array with .length == 2, [0] == 'foo', and [1] == 'bar'. |
| 15:35.05 | sredna | It looks like they read the perl reference :p |
| 15:35.14 | sarah03 | Actually, it's an array of objects. |
| 15:35.19 | sredna | :) |
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| 15:35.30 | sarah03 | The evil part is actually selectedImage. |
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| 15:35.37 | sarah03 | Which is a reference to an object stored in the user's session. |
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| 15:40.14 | srid | is this the latest docs on KDE architecutre? http://docs.kde.org/en/3.3/kdevelop/kdearch/ |
| 15:40.21 | srid | Copyright © 2001, 2002 Bernd Gehrmann |
| 15:40.25 | srid | that seems to be outdated |
| 15:40.36 | srid | btw, I am a gnome user... trying to find out the kde arch |
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| 15:43.32 | IRCMonkey_ | aaaaaaah. gnome! |
| 15:43.44 | IRCMonkey_ | :-D |
| 15:44.11 | grepper | srid: I would check developer.kde.org |
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| 15:45.24 | srid | grepper: something like http://developer.gnome.org/arch/ |
| 15:45.33 | srid | grepper: not individual pieces |
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| 15:55.18 | choisy | hi there |
| 15:55.24 | AaronCampbell | what's the best torrent client that I can get for kde? (gui is preferred...the guy isn't too cli savvy) I'm on Fedora |
| 15:55.40 | lauri | kmldonkey |
| 15:55.48 | lauri | and an mldonkey core |
| 15:56.12 | lauri | is fairly idiot proof, once set up - it's not the friendliest of things to get set up initially though |
| 15:56.30 | Blissex | AaronCampbell: while not strictly KDE, 'btdownloadgui' and Azureus are also popular. |
| 15:56.39 | annma | srid: arch? what do you mean? API doc? |
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| 15:58.09 | AaronCampbell | Blissex: thanks |
| 15:58.25 | langenberg | I'm getting very many errors about DrKonqi crashing. |
| 15:58.41 | AaronCampbell | Blissex: I more meant "kde compatible" than "KDE specific" |
| 15:58.45 | IRCMonkey_ | ah dr. konqui. |
| 15:58.47 | langenberg | atm emerging gdb, so I can check some things. |
| 15:59.07 | IRCMonkey_ | langenberg: what program is crashing? |
| 15:59.16 | Blissex | AaronCampbell: well, practically everything is ''KDE compatible''... |
| 15:59.26 | langenberg | IRCMonkey_: well many. Kopete / Konqueror / Kaffeine |
| 15:59.32 | langenberg | IRCMonkey_: not always, but sometimes. |
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| 15:59.56 | IRCMonkey_ | which version of kde ? |
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| 16:00.00 | langenberg | 3.4 |
| 16:00.35 | BlackHand | kde 3.4 don't like latest nvidia drivers |
| 16:00.52 | srid | which should I use? karamba or superkaramba? |
| 16:00.55 | annma | what distro? |
| 16:01.06 | IRCMonkey_ | i've been getting an annoying number of crashes with kopete and konqueror myself. i uninstalled kopete but i like konqy too much |
| 16:01.07 | srid | annma: ubuntu |
| 16:01.10 | StarScreem | BlackHand: which distro...Slackware and Kubuntu are fine |
| 16:01.21 | annma | BlackHand: what distro? |
| 16:01.35 | langenberg | No they are not. It's not working with composite enabled. |
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| 16:02.10 | IRCMonkey_ | langenberg: that's a known non kde problem |
| 16:02.14 | bornio_ | say, what ever happened to KSpell2? |
| 16:02.24 | StarScreem | langenberg: was that in reference to the Nvidia thing? my composite is working? |
| 16:02.30 | IRCMonkey_ | nvidia drivers (gl parts) not working with composite enables |
| 16:02.39 | IRCMonkey_ | enabled. |
| 16:02.48 | StarScreem | i've got transparencies on my 5200 using composite |
| 16:02.53 | langenberg | Only the latest nvidia drivers aren't working with KDE-3.4 and composite. |
| 16:03.05 | langenberg | If you downgrade it will work agian. |
| 16:03.08 | langenberg | again* |
| 16:03.32 | StarScreem | langenberg: which cases are these.....coz i am running 3.4 with composite and its fine for me on both kubuntu and slackware |
| 16:04.10 | StarScreem | langenberg: i.e certain cards.... i have the 29 drivers which afaik are the latest |
| 16:04.11 | langenberg | StarScreem: gentoo in my case. |
| 16:04.30 | StarScreem | langenberg: are you running a gentoo kernel or vanilla? |
| 16:04.49 | langenberg | StarScreem: 6629 ? |
| 16:04.55 | StarScreem | yeh |
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| 16:05.10 | langenberg | that's not the latest version |
| 16:05.41 | StarScreem | erm hangon i'll just check thats what version i'm running...that was just off the top of my head :) |
| 16:05.42 | BlackHand | StarScreen: gentoo |
| 16:06.04 | langenberg | media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.7167-r1 |
| 16:06.05 | langenberg | =media-video/nvidia-kernel-1.0.7167-r1 |
| 16:06.21 | langenberg | these are having trouble, but them in /etc/portage/package.mask |
| 16:06.36 | StarScreem | langenberg: ah my bad, i'm running 7167 |
| 16:06.54 | StarScreem | is that the latest or have they released more since then? |
| 16:07.12 | BlackHand | StarScreen: wlangerberg:are masked? |
| 16:07.45 | langenberg | BlackHand: 7167-r1 is the latest. |
| 16:07.59 | ysm | dah, I discovers GUI bugs in KDE like every hours.. |
| 16:08.05 | langenberg | BlackHand: i've downgraded to 6629-r4 |
| 16:08.10 | BlackHand | langerberg: yes, the faulty ones |
| 16:08.22 | BlackHand | langerberg: i downgrade too, and problem solved.... |
| 16:08.31 | langenberg | great |
| 16:09.01 | BlackHand | but i find two ppls with other distros that use Konstruct and have similar problems |
| 16:09.15 | BlackHand | search in google for "kde 3.4 nvidia ksplash" |
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| 16:09.34 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: what bugs? |
| 16:10.25 | ysm | like, when you open kopete, it don't show, it's only in the system tray, but my system tray was not selected in the panel... |
| 16:11.09 | notsio | when i shade a window, how do i stop it "unshading" when the cursor is placed over the title bar? |
| 16:11.14 | ysm | the ogg copying files that always popup in KControl > Appearances & Themes > Themes |
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| 16:11.56 | njaard | Noldo: Advanced section in the window manager config thing |
| 16:11.58 | ysm | I should make a list.. |
| 16:11.58 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: the very first time you open kopete it does show up, maybe you chaned a setting without realizing it? |
| 16:12.04 | Noldo | njaard: what? |
| 16:12.08 | njaard | sorry |
| 16:12.10 | njaard | that was to notsio |
| 16:12.11 | Noldo | np |
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| 16:12.43 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: aye? |
| 16:12.44 | ysm | IRCMonkey_: maybe, but If you use something more than one year, it's sure that you will change the config.. |
| 16:13.06 | ysm | and that the config will change between releases |
| 16:13.06 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: true, but if _you_ change the config it's not a bug :-) |
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| 16:13.16 | ysm | yeah, it's a bug |
| 16:13.24 | notsio | njaard, got it, was obscurely named :) thanks |
| 16:13.44 | ysm | If I put a file in a directory, and suddenly the program doesn't open, it's a bug.. |
| 16:14.21 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: that's not what we're talking about. we're talking about kopete doing something you told it to do (possibly) |
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| 16:15.06 | IRCMonkey_ | if you tell it to only show up in the system tray, ten it will. and if it's doing what you tell it to, then that's not a bug |
| 16:15.11 | ysm | I check the list: "Start with the contact list minimised to the system tray" |
| 16:15.57 | ysm | if there is no system tray displayed, it can't sho minimised in the system tray, it didn't exist (in the GUI) |
| 16:17.00 | ysm | so that is a GUI bug |
| 16:17.22 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: er, no. that's user error. |
| 16:17.30 | ysm | no |
| 16:17.37 | IRCMonkey_ | you should just enable the system tray. |
| 16:18.38 | ysm | that is a startup() { if ( systemTrayExist && systemTrayShoudBeMinimizedConfig ) { minimize(); } else { maximize(); } |
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| 16:20.20 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: i disagree with you there but you can fill out a wishlist on bugs.kde.org or fill out a wish and attach a patch (since you seem to know a bit about coding) |
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| 16:20.23 | sredna | Hm, kde takes 10000000000 time to start up :( |
| 16:20.35 | njaard | sredna: it's /all/ IO bound! |
| 16:20.43 | njaard | sredna: I bet KDE would startup faster on a compressed FS |
| 16:20.51 | sredna | njaard: It's my heavy session, but it's still annoying :) |
| 16:21.04 | njaard | yeah, I find that too :) |
| 16:21.17 | njaard | ... doesn't help that I have to start up 1000000 KWrite sessions :) |
| 16:21.34 | njaard | sredna: there should be a config option somewhere to LD_PRELOAD katepart :) |
| 16:21.39 | sredna | I have kate, kmail, ksirc, a few konqueror windows two konsole windows + various mush in the systray |
| 16:22.08 | sredna | He, I have kate with ~50 fiels |
| 16:22.09 | sredna | Files |
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| 16:22.32 | njaard | sredna: well.. you know how I feel about kate :) |
| 16:22.48 | sredna | njaard: No. |
| 16:22.57 | njaard | sredna: oh, ok, we'll stop there, then :) |
| 16:23.44 | sredna | I did read you blog, but you are beeing silly, if you accuse kate of beeing IDEish. It's simply not true, unless konsole makes it an ide |
| 16:24.01 | njaard | sredna: no, I have no problems with an IDE |
| 16:24.02 | sredna | EVERYTHING else is free for you to use or not use |
| 16:24.15 | njaard | sredna: yes, and I use kwrite quite happily, thank (personally, for kwrite :) |
| 16:24.20 | njaard | +you |
| 16:24.23 | ysm | IRCMonkey_: when you can't think about how the software will react, it's a bug. In this case, I open a software, and the software don't show in any way on the screen. Need = show Kopete, action: click on kopete icon, reaction: nothing visual. |
| 16:24.40 | sredna | njaard: You are wellcome :) |
| 16:25.10 | njaard | sredna: two things I don't like about kate: IDEAL, and how I can't have two of them very well |
| 16:26.31 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: the software shouldn't be made to think for you. if you set kopete to only display in the system tray, and then later turn your system tray off, you should be able to disable showing kopete only in the system tray. |
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| 16:27.14 | sredna | njaard: The problem with managing sessions for multiple instances would be very nice to solve, so any inspiration in that department would be wellcome. |
| 16:27.32 | ysm | I didn't say only show in the system tray, I said, open minimised when the system tray is there.. |
| 16:27.40 | njaard | sredna: well, I know the API allows that |
| 16:27.58 | njaard | sredna: I think you should make the concept of "Projects" a bit more fundamental |
| 16:28.04 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: that defeats the purpose of it being in the system tray |
| 16:28.08 | njaard | sredna: like make the File menu into a "Projects" menu |
| 16:28.13 | njaard | and add a "Buffer" Menu |
| 16:28.17 | ysm | IRCMonkey_: there is already a bug on that.. |
| 16:28.35 | ysm | in 0.6... |
| 16:28.38 | IRCMonkey_ | if you want it opened minimized you can use the Window Settings for that |
| 16:28.47 | sredna | njaard: I have 50 files open, some of which belongs togeather, others not |
| 16:29.15 | ysm | IRCMonkey_: so there is a unnecessary feature bug |
| 16:29.18 | sredna | njaard: And the Documnents menu is 100% equal to emacs 'buffers' afaics. It lists all open documents |
| 16:29.36 | njaard | sredna: the Documents menu is just a list of documents |
| 16:29.53 | njaard | sredna: I mean to say is that in Kate, the document really is the project |
| 16:29.55 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: no, there is a user who doesn't understand what a feature is meant to do. |
| 16:30.27 | njaard | sredna: so there should be a Buffers->Save, and Buffers->Close and such |
| 16:30.28 | ysm | What does it want to do, not show Kopete because its ugly or what ? |
| 16:30.30 | njaard | s/Buffers/Buffer/ |
| 16:30.33 | sredna | njaard: Wrong, that would exactly force me to see my open files as a 'project'. They are NOT. |
| 16:30.44 | njaard | sredna: yes, I think /that's/ the problem :) |
| 16:31.04 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: no, it places kopete in the system tray on startup because you told it to. |
| 16:31.04 | njaard | sredna: they are not, but in many ways you treat them as |
| 16:31.08 | sredna | njaard: It would be as stupid ad the gannt view in KO thinkink all my completely unrelated TODO items is one project. They are NOT |
| 16:31.27 | IRCMonkey_ | if you want to see kopete then you click on the system tray icon |
| 16:31.34 | ysm | IRCMonkey_: it doesn't place kopete in the system tray, since there is no system tray... |
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| 16:31.53 | njaard | sredna: so you edit multiple projects with one kate? |
| 16:31.59 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: whether the system tray is visible or not the app is placed there. |
| 16:32.21 | njaard | sredna: well, what sucks most about Vishul Studio is that you have to select your active project |
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| 16:32.38 | ysm | If you said to save a file on a floppy disk and the floppy disk doesn't exist, the program will tell you that it doesn't exist and can't save the file, it's a basic programming common sense thing |
| 16:32.41 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: if you make the system tray visible you will see it. if you do not _then_ you will have a valid bug |
| 16:33.01 | njaard | sredna: because then you can open a document, in one project, and then when you add a file to your project, you would assume that it goes into the same project as the open document, but it doesn't |
| 16:33.05 | sredna | njaard: Yes. I have one kate window. ALL the files I want to edit is open in that. Sometime, it will be possible to open/close a kate project, and it will remember which files were open last time it was in use. |
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| 16:33.20 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: the system tray is not a floppy disk... |
| 16:33.32 | ysm | it's the same, it's an object |
| 16:34.00 | sredna | njaard: The 'project' feature of kate is nothing but a loose hack. Imo cullmann should never have released it. |
| 16:34.01 | ysm | Object-oriented programming, don't you know ? |
| 16:34.04 | njaard | sredna: maybe instead of asking the user to open a project file, you just store the projects wherever |
| 16:34.27 | IRCMonkey_ | argh. aseigo explain this to him, i don't seem to be getting through |
| 16:34.27 | njaard | and then on startup you show a list of projects that are available, or let the user start a new one |
| 16:34.35 | njaard | which is then saved automatically without having to select a path/filenam,e |
| 16:35.12 | njaard | sredna: because I'm certainly not going to give a project file to anyone else |
| 16:35.23 | njaard | so the file itself is useless to me |
| 16:35.46 | njaard | sredna: is cullmann still working much on kate these days? |
| 16:36.00 | sredna | njaard: Well, what you suggest could solve the multiple instance issue. |
| 16:36.30 | sredna | njaard: Sure, he has been very active the last few weeks, and he is allways at least following the development |
| 16:36.41 | IRCMonkey_ | ysm: when you save a file to a floppy disk and don't actually look at the floppy disk, does that mean that the file isn't there? no, the file still exists whether you choose to look at the contents of the floppy or not |
| 16:36.42 | sredna | njaard: I'm just a more outgoing type :) |
| 16:36.47 | njaard | sredna: and then you can have an implicit project that when you exit it says "Your current project (file list) isn't saved, wanna save it?" |
| 16:37.07 | njaard | sredna: ... and then instead of showing a KFD, you just ask for the name of the project |
| 16:37.08 | IRCMonkey_ | when you place things in the system tray they are there, whether you choose to view the contents or not |
| 16:37.22 | njaard | in which case, I'd have a project for noatun, and one for each assignment for uni, ... |
| 16:37.42 | njaard | sredna: and then on SM, you just save the project for each kate instance |
| 16:38.03 | njaard | (but don't let the user see that you saved it to the "global list") |
| 16:38.28 | sredna | njaard: ... suggesting a value of 'default' |
| 16:38.40 | sredna | Not a bad idea at all |
| 16:38.40 | njaard | sredna: that could work |
| 16:38.58 | njaard | sredna: oh, and be willing to remove features from Kate that prevent you from fixing flaws like this :) |
| 16:39.10 | gongoputch | is it possible to set the konsole session tab text from the command line (like in a script?) |
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| 16:39.24 | sredna | njaard: Such as? |
| 16:39.30 | njaard | sredna: none I can think of |
| 16:39.37 | njaard | sredna: I just wanna /use/ Kate :) |
| 16:39.38 | sredna | :S |
| 16:40.02 | sredna | njaard: Ok, now explain to me what differs a 'buffers' menu from 'documents'? |
| 16:40.16 | njaard | sredna: ok :) |
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| 16:40.34 | sredna | njaard: I'm logging this ;) |
| 16:40.40 | njaard | sredna: well, I think you're getting your two documents confused a bit, you have a project, and you have a text file |
| 16:40.59 | njaard | sredna: in most programs the "Major" document gets the first menu item |
| 16:41.04 | njaard | like Konqueror's first is Location |
| 16:41.09 | sredna | njaard: To us, a 'document' is one text file |
| 16:41.14 | njaard | because you open URLocations in Kate |
| 16:41.36 | lauri | in emacs: buffers aren't necessarily one for one documents on disk, you can have multiple buffers looking at different parts of the same document, and you can have many buffers that aren't saved (and scratch buffers that are not going to be, they're just for a place to stash some text or some lisp you want to run or whatever) |
| 16:41.38 | IRCMonkey_ | i know it possible to do it to the window title since gentoo does it (somehow) bnut I don't know about the tabs |
| 16:41.43 | njaard | sredna: I see the project as the main 'document' because the files go into the project |
| 16:41.45 | IRCMonkey_ | gongoputch: --^ |
| 16:41.52 | njaard | so the Project is thus "Bigger" :) |
| 16:42.23 | lauri | so 'buffer' in emacs == open text editing widgety thing, no matter what's in it |
| 16:42.54 | njaard | sredna: ... so the Major item goes first, (Project, IMO), and within that is a buffer, which goes second and contains operations you'd do on the current buffer |
| 16:42.59 | sredna | lauri: Well, we do offer multiple views of the same document (allthough only in split mode, not stacked). The 'scratch buffer' is actually something we discussed adding, and we'll try it even |
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| 16:44.04 | sredna | lauri: So how does emacs make different views of one file easily distinguishable? Or does it just number them? |
| 16:44.08 | njaard | sredna: ... except, your project doesn't have really many operations, since Saving is (I guess) implied whenever you add a text file to the Project... |
| 16:44.20 | lauri | it's configurable :) |
| 16:44.24 | lauri | they're usually just numbered though |
| 16:45.15 | njaard | it's configurable? |
| 16:45.21 | njaard | how very... KDE... of emacs :) |
| 16:45.29 | sredna | njaard: You can't bash away at the poor kate projects. As I said, it's just a quick hack from cullmann, and also not at all designed with what you suggests in mind |
| 16:45.46 | sredna | njaard: Be positive instead please |
| 16:45.57 | lauri | there's one emacs feature I desperately want |
| 16:46.00 | njaard | sredna: I am being positive, I'm suggesting a replacement |
| 16:46.06 | njaard | :) |
| 16:46.07 | lauri | a backup directory |
| 16:46.09 | lauri | please :) |
| 16:46.15 | njaard | lauri: yeah! :) |
| 16:46.28 | njaard | lauri: it's really annoying have ~ files everywhere, so I just turn that feature off |
| 16:46.43 | lauri | (so if I edit "/home/lauri/something/some-foo.txt", it saves the backups in ~/.backups/home!lauri!something!some-foo.txt) |
| 16:46.52 | lauri | (that's configurable too, where and how it marks the path) |
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| 16:47.07 | sredna | lauri: Ack, I bumped into that on the wishlist today, and I think that would be cool |
| 16:47.07 | njaard | lauri: actually, I tend to hit ctrl+s randomly, so it's not too helpful |
| 16:47.12 | lauri | but it means one place to look for backu copies (and one place to backup) and no clutter |
| 16:47.44 | lauri | njaard: yes, but I like it that way, I'm not specially bothered, it's the "get them all in one place" that'd be neat |
| 16:47.53 | lauri | in fact, I wouldn't mind a kde-wide backup directory to stash changed files in |
| 16:48.00 | njaard | lauri: yeah agree in any case |
| 16:48.07 | njaard | lauri: well said |
| 16:48.17 | njaard | like a backup:/ ioslave! |
| 16:48.33 | lauri | heh, yeah! |
| 16:48.37 | njaard | sredna: I just wear headphones and play music so I don't have to listen to my noisy thing |
| 16:48.47 | lauri | I have children |
| 16:48.49 | njaard | lauri: it'd work just like trash:/ ... except it'd have a slightly different purpose |
| 16:48.56 | njaard | lauri: hehe |
| 16:48.57 | lauri | it amounts to the same thing |
| 16:48.59 | sredna | Well, I shake it when it's too noisy |
| 16:49.13 | njaard | sredna: cover the fans :] |
| 16:49.13 | lauri | ok, you can't do that to children |
| 16:49.21 | njaard | lauri: depends how old they are |
| 16:49.23 | lauri | heh, that'd be really smart |
| 16:49.23 | IRCMonkey_ | lauri: of course you can |
| 16:49.40 | IRCMonkey_ | it's called child abuse in the US and "discipline" in Jamaica |
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| 16:49.45 | lauri | especially since when they're running loud, it usually means the bearings are going, and that means it's not running at full speed to start with :) |
| 16:50.05 | njaard | I think what lauri is suggesting is that you replace your power supply |
| 16:50.20 | njaard | which has a funny story from me |
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| 16:50.29 | njaard | at work my power supply died and I stole one from another machine |
| 16:50.34 | njaard | 'cept that power supply wasn't good enough |
| 16:50.43 | njaard | and the machine would turn off whenever I loaded the CPU :) |
| 16:50.49 | lauri | if this involves the time I blew up my mobo doing a power supply replacement, don't tell that one |
| 16:50.58 | njaard | lauri: hehe |
| 16:50.59 | lauri | LOL |
| 16:51.21 | lauri | and yes, if the 'noise' involves any rattling, and shaking it makes it quieter, you should really just replace the psu |
| 16:51.48 | lauri | it's on deaths door, and fans are not running efficiently, and you're risking heat issues already by that point |
| 16:51.54 | njaard | and to any inventors here, if you find a way to make power supplies 50% more efficient, you'll make lots of money |
| 16:51.56 | lauri | or, do like I did |
| 16:52.20 | lauri | take the covers off, so it's cool, and the newly available to the ear whine of the hard drives drowned out the fan |
| 16:52.32 | njaard | this laptop's fan was making noise, so I removed it, epoxied on one I found for 50¢ and all was well :) |
| 16:52.47 | njaard | lauri: hehehe |
| 16:52.50 | njaard | lauri: that sounds familiar |
| 16:53.01 | njaard | lauri: for a while I Had two computers running while I slept |
| 16:53.12 | njaard | lauri: and I turned off the louder one and sighed in relief... |
| 16:53.17 | njaard | lauri: and then I couldn't sleep! |
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| 16:53.21 | lauri | it never bothers me, white noise sends me to sleep anyway |
| 16:53.28 | lauri | drives matt nuts though |
| 16:53.36 | lauri | so he shuts the door to the bedroom when he goes to bed |
| 16:53.40 | njaard | lauri: the quiet one had a high pitched whine that I couldn't hear before since it was masked by the louder computer |
| 16:53.41 | sredna | lauri: Who should clean up the backup directory? I mean, I save quite a few files during a week, a backup directory would be a potential thread to my hd :o |
| 16:53.46 | lauri | then the dog sits outside and whines, because she can't get in to her favourite sleeping corner |
| 16:54.02 | lauri | sredna: in emacs, that's configurable too |
| 16:54.12 | lauri | you can expire it |
| 16:54.23 | njaard | that computer with the high pitched whine is now 5500 miles away still chugging away happily (derkarl.org :) |
| 16:54.25 | sredna | lauri: So it expires old files at shutdown or stlt? |
| 16:54.37 | sredna | We could use kalarmd |
| 16:54.46 | lauri | something not touched in <n-that-you-set> days gets deleted (I'm not sure if it does it on startup or shutdown, or just when it notices them) |
| 16:54.49 | lauri | I mean, this is emacs |
| 16:55.00 | njaard | it should do it in the background |
| 16:55.01 | sredna | Yea, fine |
| 16:55.03 | lauri | it has commands like "save some bufffers" that just save some it thinks you probably wanted saved |
| 16:55.07 | njaard | so that shutdown/logout doesn't take longer |
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| 16:55.47 | sredna | Kates suutdown takes time, because of the metadata saving |
| 16:56.04 | sredna | S,uu,hu, |
| 16:56.13 | lauri | emacs really expects to be running constantly |
| 16:57.00 | sredna | Yea, and making kate able to do that would be nice, we have seen bug reports because kate started using too much resources after running for 3 weeks :o |
| 16:57.13 | sredna | Dklæ |
| 16:57.16 | njaard | sredna: well, it's stable :) |
| 16:57.43 | lauri | so it does do some cleanup in the background (there's a 'close some buffers too' in some versions, that shuts down stuff you haven't used for a while, where last time I looked 'a while' was like, a week |
| 16:57.55 | njaard | cool |
| 16:57.55 | njaard | !!! |
| 16:57.59 | njaard | me has a party invitation |
| 16:58.17 | njaard | I wonder who I should give it to so I can get coding |
| 16:58.49 | njaard | or I could be sociable and take my computer with me so I could code at the party! |
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| 16:59.53 | sredna | I think I need to take that PS apart and do someting to prevent stuff (like cables) to mess with the cpu cooler fan |
| 17:00.13 | sredna | And I need a new power supply, with no fan |
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| 17:00.43 | mfx- | you can get my psu |
| 17:00.53 | mfx- | its fan is dead |
| 17:00.57 | mfx- | :)) |
| 17:01.04 | njaard | ooh |
| 17:01.05 | njaard | can I have it? |
| 17:01.18 | mfx- | it was a joke only sorry |
| 17:01.30 | njaard | so was mine |
| 17:01.30 | njaard | silly |
| 17:01.50 | mfx- | actually |
| 17:01.54 | mfx- | its not dead yet |
| 17:02.04 | mfx- | it makes stranges noises |
| 17:02.11 | mfx- | i have to replace it |
| 17:02.14 | mfx- | :( |
| 17:02.38 | njaard | are phone number country codes Huffmann encoded? |
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| 17:03.14 | gde_ | hi ... how do i make windows transparency work in kde 3.4 ? |
| 17:03.48 | lauri | gde: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/kompmgr/ |
| 17:03.52 | mfx- | that is a good question |
| 17:04.08 | mfx- | transparent panel does not work by me |
| 17:04.08 | sredna | Make sure you have a sufficient X (xorg >= 6.8.0 + xomposite) and enable it in the control center |
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| 17:06.16 | gde_ | sorry my connection broke so i will ask again ... how to make transparency work in kde 3.4 ? |
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| 17:06.32 | lauri | [18:01] <lauri> gde: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/kompmgr/ |
| 17:06.41 | lauri | 18:01] <sredna> Make sure you have a sufficient X (xorg >= 6.8.0 + xomposite) and enable it in the control center |
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| 17:09.48 | gde_ | lauri: i have xorg 6.8.2 .... i think maybe its something i didnt install ... gentoo splits kde packages ... |
| 17:10.38 | lauri | in that case, it's probably something to do with kompmgr |
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| 17:10.54 | lauri | you'll need to ask in a gentoo forum/channel if one our resident gentooers isn't around |
| 17:10.55 | njaard | I know something worse than the the "Open File" dialog crashing |
| 17:11.02 | njaard | ... "Save As" |
| 17:11.04 | Oleg_ | lauri: hi |
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| 17:11.47 | gde_ | lauri: tkz lauri .. im trying to find something related to kompmgr in the potage tre ... ill try #gentoo |
| 17:14.48 | puria | hi *, I´ve just updated to 3.4, and I´ve tried to add an icon to the kmail toolbar under kontact, now kontact crashes on start, and give me a SIGSEGV |
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| 17:15.43 | puria | can I edit manually a file with the toolbar menu |
| 17:16.10 | puria | to remove the one that brokes all |
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| 17:26.07 | dolphin | hmm |
| 17:26.20 | dolphin | doesn't look like konqueror handled border-collapse correctly |
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| 17:31.03 | puria | hmm I solve it partially, it means that kamil runs correctly, and after I removed the new Icon from the toolbar |
| 17:31.23 | puria | after that kontact runs |
| 17:31.42 | puria | but when I tryto add it again in kontact crashes as before |
| 17:32.09 | Oleg_ | people! I am so excited! |
| 17:32.15 | Oleg_ | and I just can't hide it! |
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| 17:36.47 | Roey | hi |
| 17:37.20 | Roey | is there a need for kde's "network transparency"? windows users seem to do just fine without it.. |
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| 17:37.48 | Roey | I was just thinking how come Openoffice.org doesn't have it (as bloated as it is) |
| 17:38.13 | Roey | firefox's network transparency extends to file:// and ftp:// (past http://) |
| 17:38.25 | SteamedPenguin | Windows users do fine without concepts like user separation and proper permissions... |
| 17:38.38 | SteamedPenguin | so that's not saying much |
| 17:38.41 | Roey | er.. and what exactly is "transparent" about having to specify the resource type (://) in the URL? |
| 17:38.51 | Roey | is it transparent to the API? to the programmer? |
| 17:39.02 | Roey | windows has OK perms |
| 17:39.07 | Roey | better than linux's standard ones |
| 17:39.14 | SteamedPenguin | right.... |
| 17:39.29 | Roey | better meaning more pronounced |
| 17:39.43 | Roey | there are different kinds of permissions |
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| 17:39.56 | Roey | instead of trying to overload the meaning of the 'x' bit for example. |
| 17:39.58 | Roey | hi bille |
| 17:40.08 | Bille | hi Roey |
| 17:40.21 | Roey | if you try to sell windows users on kde, what would they care about network transparency |
| 17:40.42 | SteamedPenguin | well, web developers would |
| 17:40.50 | Roey | or if not on kde, then on a hypothetical future version of openoffice which supports ioslaves or something like it |
| 17:40.55 | Roey | how so? |
| 17:41.18 | SteamedPenguin | once you start being able to remote edit and manage projects like you do with Quanta or even plain kwrite, then it becomes crippling not to have it |
| 17:41.26 | Roey | (openoffice doesn't implement network transparency because it isn't a big selling point to its core market which seems to be Windows users) |
| 17:41.30 | SteamedPenguin | I can manage a whole slew of projects remotely |
| 17:41.33 | Roey | ok |
| 17:41.42 | SteamedPenguin | I not only can, but I do |
| 17:41.46 | Roey | ok |
| 17:41.55 | Roey | but isn't it more efficient to just mount it remotely |
| 17:42.01 | SteamedPenguin | and KDE is getting svn:// support soonish |
| 17:42.07 | SteamedPenguin | man, that gonna rock |
| 17:42.09 | Roey | and then you don't need any userspace layer |
| 17:42.22 | SteamedPenguin | mount what remotely? |
| 17:42.23 | Roey | see this for example: |
| 17:42.26 | SteamedPenguin | all the projects? |
| 17:42.44 | Roey | 1) I can work on .txt files with kwrite, and specify a saving point (smb://) |
| 17:43.07 | Roey | 2) OO.o doesn't support URLs for filenames, so I can't do that with oo.o |
| 17:43.19 | SteamedPenguin | ok, that's because OO.o is stupid |
| 17:43.27 | SteamedPenguin | everybody should use KIO slaves |
| 17:43.31 | Roey | 3) HOWEVER I *can* mount /share, for instance as a share served by a remote smb machine |
| 17:43.44 | Roey | SteamedPenguin: I feel the same way as you but I don't know why |
| 17:43.54 | SteamedPenguin | yeah, but I don't use SMB |
| 17:44.01 | Roey | why necessarily ioslaves are better than kernel support for remote mounts. |
| 17:44.15 | Roey | maybe that's what my question is |
| 17:44.19 | SteamedPenguin | whoy would I want all my remote hosts to use SMB when I can do all that via sftp or ftp ? |
| 17:44.47 | Roey | (well that gets into the question of wether or not to use unix in place of windows) |
| 17:44.48 | SteamedPenguin | ok, if it is a kernel level thing then consider this |
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| 17:45.47 | SteamedPenguin | if you are mounting things remotely on a kernel level and there is an exploit, then you can execute /mnt/remote/bin/malware |
| 17:45.53 | Roey | ok |
| 17:46.09 | Roey | but you can't execute remote files with ioslaves? |
| 17:46.14 | SteamedPenguin | with KIO slaves it is all userlevel |
| 17:46.17 | SteamedPenguin | nope |
| 17:46.20 | Roey | ok |
| 17:46.35 | Roey | ok that sounds reasonable |
| 17:46.52 | Roey | er |
| 17:46.53 | Roey | wait.. |
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| 17:47.02 | Roey | if you the user are mounting things on a kernel level |
| 17:47.05 | Roey | and there is an exploit where? |
| 17:47.20 | Roey | then who can execute /mnt/remote/bin/malware, and from which machine? |
| 17:47.31 | SteamedPenguin | maybe there is a local exploit, or a remote exploit |
| 17:47.36 | SteamedPenguin | ok |
| 17:47.37 | Roey | ok |
| 17:48.26 | Roey | bbiab |
| 17:48.30 | SteamedPenguin | machine 1 mounts directory on machine 2 so you have machine2:/bin/ mounted on machine1:/mnt/remote/bin/ |
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| 17:53.18 | njaard | I'll bet anyone $10000 that the world will not end tomorrow |
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| 17:55.07 | enragedchip | type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY tcomi0ne |
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| 17:55.27 | njaard | hey everyone, I know enragedchip's password |
| 17:55.57 | annma | lol |
| 17:56.11 | enragedchip | that was a small screw up |
| 17:56.15 | njaard | a small one |
| 17:56.21 | enragedchip | well big then |
| 17:56.25 | njaard | hehe |
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| 18:00.25 | Kiowas | hello |
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| 18:01.34 | Kiowas | Im trying to figure out how to enable dead keys so I can type stuff like ñáéíóú easily. anyone know how to do that? |
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| 18:03.02 | annma | Kiowas: first get your IRC client utf8 |
| 18:03.16 | annma | <Kiowas> Im trying to figure out how to enable dead keys so I can type stuff like ñáéíóú easily |
| 18:03.37 | Kiowas | why? that looks fine to me |
| 18:04.13 | annma | you see something? I see squares |
| 18:04.20 | Kiowas | oh |
| 18:04.23 | Kiowas | I see characters |
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| 18:04.51 | oleg__ | where is the history side bar in konqueror? |
| 18:04.58 | Kiowas | accented vowels and a n with a ~ over it |
| 18:05.54 | njaard | annma: I think it was utf8 |
| 18:06.00 | njaard | annma: either that or konversation is broken |
| 18:06.05 | annma | yes |
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| 18:06.09 | annma | I am utf8 |
| 18:06.17 | annma | èé |
| 18:06.20 | oleg__ | where is the history side bar in konqueror? |
| 18:06.21 | njaard | looks fine to me :) |
| 18:06.33 | oleg__ | I wanna see the history of the pages I visited |
| 18:06.37 | annma | the guy I saw nly squares |
| 18:07.13 | annma | seems konvi is broken |
| 18:07.23 | annma | Kiowas: using konversation? |
| 18:07.26 | Kiowas | thats not my question anyway, my question is how to enable deadkeys. I used to have it with my previous installation where when you press ' it doesnt type it until you hit space bar in case you wanted to hit a different letter so it will have that over it. But I dont know how to set it |
| 18:07.46 | Kiowas | anis-afk, no, xchat |
| 18:07.58 | annma | is it utf8? |
| 18:08.06 | Kiowas | annma, I dont know |
| 18:08.12 | annma | hmm |
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| 18:08.36 | oleg__ | people! |
| 18:08.39 | oleg__ | where is the history side bar in konqueror? |
| 18:09.15 | sredna | On the side :o |
| 18:09.55 | sredna | oleg__: Perss F9 or use Window->Show navigation panel |
| 18:10.00 | sredna | Press* |
| 18:10.58 | oleg__ | thanks |
| 18:15.25 | sredna | njaard: Explain in one sentence why we should align with spaces in tab indented files |
| 18:15.50 | njaard | because spaces have a known width |
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| 18:16.13 | njaard | hm, that's not a sentence, but a fragment |
| 18:16.27 | sredna | njaard: You have to convince cullmann |
| 18:16.29 | sredna | Not me |
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| 18:17.02 | sredna | I actually agree |
| 18:17.30 | njaard | maybe later :) |
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| 18:24.32 | chrisag | Does anyone by chance know the irc room for kde bluetooth? |
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| 18:33.58 | srid | kde rocks in any sense I thought of |
| 18:34.06 | srid | konqueror is faster than firefox (i never thought of it!) |
| 18:34.16 | srid | the whole desktop in 3.4 is much faster than gnome |
| 18:34.25 | srid | with almost the same memory requirement of gnome |
| 18:34.45 | choisy | kde has been faster than gnome for a pretty long time already... at least here. |
| 18:34.45 | PieD | srid: why do you need to give us universal realities ? |
| 18:34.49 | srid | well, khtml is not as good as gecko except for performance |
| 18:34.57 | PieD | every body know that ! |
| 18:35.08 | srid | gmail goes to plain html in konqueror |
| 18:35.21 | PieD | srid: it is the gmail folks |
| 18:35.26 | PieD | not because of KHTML |
| 18:35.27 | srid | sure? |
| 18:35.30 | srid | how? |
| 18:35.32 | PieD | yes |
| 18:35.38 | PieD | they make a test : |
| 18:35.53 | PieD | if not browser in ["IE", "Firefox", "Netscape", "Mozilla"]: |
| 18:36.01 | srid | let me switch to default UI . and see |
| 18:36.03 | PieD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.05 | PieD | else: |
| 18:36.14 | PieD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.23 | PieD | or something like that :) |
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| 18:42.11 | chrisag | does anyone recommend trying to use debian? |
| 18:42.24 | chrisag | or suse. |
| 18:42.39 | choisy | not me :p |
| 18:42.46 | njaard | why not try both and pick the one you prefer? |
| 18:43.00 | chrisag | well currently I'm using mandrake |
| 18:43.14 | chrisag | which I have no problem with other than then they seem to lack on packaging.. |
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| 18:43.25 | chrisag | especially with kde3.4 which i compiled from scratch... |
| 18:43.38 | inomine | Ack, ubunut my boy, ubuntu all the way. |
| 18:43.52 | chrisag | what's so advantuous about ubunut? |
| 18:44.41 | inomine | Umm everything just works, Without all the messing about, there are about 9000 software packages for it and it looks pretty, nvermind automagic online update. |
| 18:45.00 | chrisag | so it has automatic (free) online updates too? |
| 18:45.09 | chrisag | simple install? |
| 18:46.05 | inomine | Yeah, everything is still free. :P The install is not as simple as SuSE, Fedora Core or some others but it's not going to kill you, and as soon as you are past that you are laughing. |
| 18:46.30 | chrisag | well i'm worried about it picking up my RAID... my video card... etc |
| 18:47.45 | inomine | If it's a decent RAID card it will find it, video cards all work out of the proverbial box, you won't get 3d acceleration on it seamlessly but there are few distros that do. |
| 18:48.04 | chrisag | well on mandrake it picked everything up... literally |
| 18:48.11 | chrisag | and the raid is built on to the MB |
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| 18:48.22 | chrisag | fairly old mb too about 2-3 years |
| 18:48.55 | inomine | Give it a go, it doesn't cost you anything, so what's the worst that can happen? |
| 18:49.15 | chrisag | I lose everything on my computer ;) |
| 18:49.45 | chrisag | does ubuntu have kde3.4 packages? |
| 18:50.26 | asewd | hmmm... When I turn on transparency and shadows in KDE 3.4, every slows to a completel crawl. This is running on a Althlon XP 2GHz and with a Radeon 8500, is there something I did wrong? Or is the hardware not good enough for such features? |
| 18:51.44 | inomine | chrisag: Yeah, not by default but to install it you just type one line in and you are away. |
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| 18:52.23 | chrisag | hmm |
| 18:52.28 | chrisag | It is tempting. |
| 18:52.39 | chrisag | it's a REALLY small cd too. |
| 18:52.40 | inomine | asewd: Most likely you don't have any acceleration switched on. My laptop that has a 1.2Ghz CPU and a Radeon 7200 can handle it :P |
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| 18:53.13 | inomine | chrisag: Yeah, just get the latest ``unstable'' version, has alot more stuff in there and it's still rock solid. |
| 18:53.18 | asewd | strange, I can play quake fine, accelerated at high res |
| 18:53.37 | asewd | but composites slow everything down until I can't do anything |
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| 18:54.09 | asewd | glxinfo returns "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 18:54.14 | asewd | should be ok, right? |
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| 18:54.52 | inomine | Yeah, looks fine. I have no idea, as I said it works on mine :( |
| 18:55.16 | srid | PieD: no, konqueror doesn't work with real Gmail! http://gmail.google.com/gmail?nocheckbrowser |
| 18:55.30 | chrisag | inomine is the live cd any good? |
| 18:56.13 | asewd | insomine: are you using the binary ATI drivers? Or the open source drivers? |
| 18:56.31 | inomine | chrisag: It's ok. I would just go with the normal install unless you really want to make sure it will work on your machine. |
| 18:56.33 | ryanoe | Anyone in here use vmware? |
| 18:56.49 | annma | srid: set your konq to be identified as mozilla |
| 18:56.54 | chrisag | k |
| 18:56.56 | inomine | asewd: standard xorg ones, ATI bastards don't do laptop drivers. |
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| 18:57.06 | chrisag | well i'll try it out and see what's up |
| 18:57.16 | inomine | ryanoe: Yeah, not much though. |
| 18:57.29 | asewd | heh, that's what I'm using as well, strange it won't work then |
| 18:57.33 | chrisag | inomine: what's the default desktop? |
| 18:57.37 | srid | annma: default identification is Mozilla/5.0 |
| 18:57.52 | annma | srid: and it does not work? |
| 18:57.58 | annma | kde version? |
| 18:57.59 | srid | annma: no |
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| 18:58.05 | srid | annma: kde 3.4 (kubuntu) |
| 18:58.15 | annma | should work |
| 18:58.37 | srid | annma: key events are not at all reactive |
| 18:58.45 | srid | annma: err .. mouse events |
| 18:59.05 | annma | works well here |
| 18:59.33 | annma | kde comiled from sources |
| 18:59.48 | keyhack | Anyone have issues with composite/translucency/shadow issues with ATI Mobility Radeons? (Using the fglrx driver) |
| 18:59.50 | srid | annma: does konqueror has bookmark toolbar? |
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| 19:01.16 | Johanna | What do i do if krusader tells me : " no mime types installed? |
| 19:01.17 | spiral | keyhack: yes... they don't work... |
| 19:01.21 | annma | srid: bookmark? |
| 19:01.31 | srid | annma: like in firefox |
| 19:01.34 | keyhack | Another coworker and I are experiencing the same problems. Windows do not render properly, you need to hover over things to get them to draw proeprly, etc |
| 19:01.40 | annma | I hide it personnally |
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| 19:01.44 | annma | but there's one |
| 19:02.04 | annma | srid: there is a bookmark toolbar |
| 19:02.13 | annma | and gmail should be working |
| 19:02.20 | srid | where? |
| 19:02.22 | srid | annma: |
| 19:02.27 | keyhack | spiral: okay... |
| 19:03.11 | spiral | keyhack: sorry |
| 19:03.23 | annma | srid: Settings menu in konq -> Toolbar -> show Bookmark toolbar |
| 19:03.33 | keyhack | spiral: So, it just won't work with fglrx? |
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| 19:03.55 | asewd | keyhack: have you tried the xorg drivers? for me it slows to a crawl, but others have no problem with them, or so I hear |
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| 19:04.11 | srid | annma: there is extra,location,main,speech |
| 19:04.15 | srid | annma: no bookmark |
| 19:04.28 | srid | annma: it's there |
| 19:04.43 | srid | annma: the UI is very complicated! |
| 19:05.02 | srid | I usually expect this to be in View menu |
| 19:05.13 | annma | srid: come on |
| 19:05.25 | srid | i think kde has got eye candy, features .... etc .. but you guys need to learn about simplicity from gnome |
| 19:05.36 | srid | they you can rule the world :) |
| 19:05.43 | Roey | ? |
| 19:05.44 | chrisag | Simplicity? |
| 19:05.46 | annma | we rule the world |
| 19:05.46 | Roey | simplicity? |
| 19:05.47 | chrisag | Are you kidding me? |
| 19:05.53 | chrisag | It's soooo simple |
| 19:05.59 | annma | bah, leave him troll |
| 19:06.00 | chrisag | at a right click I have anything |
| 19:06.17 | annma | if he thinks mozilla is simplicity well..... |
| 19:06.34 | Roey | is that how simple the audience is? |
| 19:07.00 | annma | my 5 years old uses konqueror so it has to be OK |
| 19:07.20 | chrisag | I remember using KDE 1 when I was 12.... or so |
| 19:07.25 | spiral | keyhack: some problems with damage extension... |
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| 19:12.40 | keyhack | spiral: okay... |
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| 19:18.10 | zly | somebody able to help me ? i lost my trashcan :) |
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| 19:18.53 | zly | is there some option to restore the system icons ? |
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| 19:20.54 | sredna | zly: What KDE version? |
| 19:21.05 | zly | 3.4 |
| 19:22.25 | sredna | zly: Create an icon on your desktop pointing to the location 'trash:/' |
| 19:22.46 | sredna | Hm, kjs string.replace() is b0rk3d it seems |
| 19:23.04 | zly | thanks, i'll try... i'm new to kde.. |
| 19:24.33 | mfx- | hm |
| 19:25.12 | mfx- | why does the main panel close itself along with the tray if i minimise xchat? :) |
| 19:25.27 | mfx- | or how do i restart it? |
| 19:26.24 | mfx- | got it |
| 19:26.25 | mfx- | :) |
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| 19:27.38 | zly | thanks sredna, but i just realized my server runs with kde, so i just grabbed the trash can from that ;) worked well |
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| 19:35.01 | rzei | doesn't konqueror handle content language negotiation in any way? |
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| 19:36.05 | PieD | rzei: ? |
| 19:36.08 | rzei | i have got Finland in my country/region & language settings (settings:/Accessibility/) but still it brings me the apache html instead of automatically choosing the finnish page (it's present) |
| 19:36.10 | PieD | what do you mean ? |
| 19:36.11 | nutshell42 | how do I change the color of the window border? For some reason it's not the same as the window background and it looks like sh*t =/ |
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| 19:36.34 | PieD | the apache html ? |
| 19:36.50 | PieD | it looks more like a wrong apache setting than a wrong Konqueror setting |
| 19:37.05 | rzei | PieD: well, firefox selects the page correctly |
| 19:37.24 | PieD | rzei: did you check the Konqueror settings ? |
| 19:37.29 | nutshell42 | ah, found it |
| 19:37.42 | PieD | for instance, did you "ask" it to send your language with the User agent ? |
| 19:37.44 | rzei | PieD: where do i select language there? |
| 19:38.02 | PieD | please answer my question first :) |
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| 19:38.23 | rzei | PieD: well quite frankly langauge selection != useragent language, and no, it isn't being sent |
| 19:38.44 | PieD | ask him to send it ! |
| 19:39.33 | rzei | PieD: as I'm not using finnish language on kde (those aren't yet so well translated), en_US is sent via user agent |
| 19:39.45 | rzei | PieD: country is though Finland |
| 19:40.13 | PieD | your firefox is in finnish ? |
| 19:41.10 | rzei | PieD: i have in firefox settings (edit->preferences->general->languages->Languages...) set that i prefer finnish, then if not found, english language pages |
| 19:41.24 | PieD | hum |
| 19:41.48 | rzei | PieD: i think that konqueror ought to have a similiar language selection dialog |
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| 19:42.40 | PieD | rzei: I think you can fill in a bug on bugs.kde.org |
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| 19:43.36 | rzei | PieD: i guess i will.. if there's a language selection somewhere it should be easier to spot :) if there isn't, it clearly should be |
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| 19:48.59 | wiza | rzei: http://www.konqueror.org/faq/#IsthereawaytochangethedefaultAcceptCharsetAcceptLanguageHTTPheadersinkonqueror |
| 19:49.21 | wiza | the allmighty rtfm strikes again |
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| 19:50.39 | wiza | but it would be nicer to just click some selection than edit a textfile =) |
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| 19:55.13 | asewd | Quick question, I love it how I can set up KDE to spell check everything I enter online or in kopete and whatnot, but, is there a way to use multiple aspell dictionaries at the same time? |
| 19:57.17 | annma | multiple? |
| 19:57.43 | annma | so you would like say kopete able to spell check for example en and fr |
| 19:57.49 | asewd | exactly |
| 19:58.04 | asewd | since I often switch languages mid conversation, I was just wondering if it was possible |
| 19:58.10 | annma | did you ever see such a feature? |
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| 19:58.37 | annma | elsewhere I mean |
| 19:58.53 | annma | I never saw that so I tend to think it's quite difficult |
| 19:58.58 | asewd | no, but I was wondering if there was a way, asside from creating a new aspell dictionary of the two combined languages |
| 19:59.11 | asewd | which would be confusing |
| 19:59.16 | annma | won't work |
| 19:59.29 | asewd | how so? |
| 19:59.33 | asewd | oh |
| 19:59.43 | annma | it'll always be confused |
| 19:59.50 | asewd | grammar wise? |
| 19:59.57 | annma | in fr envelope and in en enveloppe |
| 20:00.06 | asewd | ah |
| 20:00.07 | annma | so you're in en and you type envelope |
| 20:00.08 | name773 | because most of your english words will be spelled wrong for the french language and vice versa |
| 20:00.20 | annma | yes |
| 20:00.22 | asewd | true |
| 20:00.46 | name773 | then it should be set up so it only underlines words spelled wrong in both languages |
| 20:01.02 | annma | yes |
| 20:01.13 | annma | but it'll miss lots of errors |
| 20:01.20 | name773 | yeah |
| 20:01.23 | asewd | probably would |
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| 20:01.40 | annma | if I had seen it from Microsoft I would say it's possible |
| 20:01.52 | bur[n]er | anyone know how to make a hotkey to do volume up and down? |
| 20:02.02 | annma | but if big companies with lots of devels don't do it I don't see how kde would |
| 20:02.10 | bur[n]er | i know how to do it with a dcop call and amarok, but i was thinking more along the lines of a kmix dcop?? |
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| 20:02.23 | annma | bur[n]er: there's a panel applet binded to a key |
| 20:02.57 | asewd | if in a sentence, most of the words a spelled correctly with one dictionary, it'd use that dictionary to do the spell checking... but then, if you're IMing and don't use correct punctuation and such, you'd be screwed |
| 20:09.52 | nutshell42 | http://img122.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img122&image=colors5np.png -- where do I set the window background of dialog windows. If you look at the image you see that the configure dialog is different from the control center and it's not because the control center is focused. Dialogs simply have a different color and I just grepped for the color code but couldn't find it anywhere |
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| 20:12.06 | somekool | please help me removing the sort option on the task manager of KDE 3.4 |
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| 20:14.32 | nutshell42 | somekool: what sort option? |
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| 20:15.26 | Elbourne | I'm new to linux and run Mandrake 10.1 what is the best way to get KDE 3.4? Should I wait for Mandrake 10.2? |
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| 20:16.45 | langenberg | Elbourne: are there any KDE-3.4 packages available for Mandrae-10.1 ? |
| 20:17.03 | _allanon | waiting is the easiest, but i doubt mandrake will have 3.4 in 10.2 |
| 20:17.17 | _allanon | they usually are quite slow. |
| 20:17.24 | Elbourne | I do not see an rpm for it. |
| 20:17.52 | _allanon | they say it is for quality assurance, but still the last versions has been.. not so good. |
| 20:17.52 | Elbourne | I'd love to play with the text-to-speach in kde 3.4 |
| 20:18.03 | _allanon | oh, i tried it. |
| 20:18.11 | _allanon | reminded me of the speech tool i had on my amiga. |
| 20:18.15 | mfx- | hm |
| 20:18.17 | enragedchip | http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.1/RPMS/kde-3.4.0/ |
| 20:18.21 | mfx- | where is that available? |
| 20:18.30 | mfx- | that text-to-speech tool |
| 20:18.31 | nutshell42 | somekool: what sort option? |
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| 20:18.34 | _allanon | even though that was in 1990, quality is about the same :\ |
| 20:18.37 | gonssal | hi |
| 20:18.45 | langenberg | I haven't tried that tool, is it like Microsofts Sam ? |
| 20:18.54 | _allanon | but then again, I tried the cut-down version, not the full... festival thingie.ø |
| 20:18.57 | gonssal | why kmail is not able to connect to pop3 servers? |
| 20:18.57 | _allanon | never used sam. |
| 20:19.15 | _allanon | gonssal: they plan that for kde 4. |
| 20:19.19 | langenberg | windows has a text2speech engine. |
| 20:19.21 | gonssal | ¬¬ |
| 20:19.21 | _allanon | imap for kde 5. |
| 20:19.31 | langenberg | :) |
| 20:19.44 | gonssal | i always get an error when trying to connect pop3 servers |
| 20:19.58 | gonssal | i'm sure the host and port of the servers is ok |
| 20:20.04 | gonssal | cos i can connect with thunderbird |
| 20:20.14 | langenberg | good for you, but start with the error. |
| 20:20.56 | gonssal | No se pudo conectar al servidor pop3.terra.es |
| 20:21.03 | gonssal | translated: Can't connect to server pop3.terra.es |
| 20:21.19 | gonssal | as simple as that :| |
| 20:21.33 | langenberg | ...one sec |
| 20:21.48 | langenberg | gonssal: are you sure the host exist? |
| 20:22.00 | gonssal | yes, i said i have no problem with thunderbird |
| 20:22.21 | gonssal | and it happens with the two pop3 servers i usually use |
| 20:22.32 | gonssal | s/the two/both |
| 20:22.49 | Elbourne | cool thanks kde-i18n-en_GB-3.4.0-1.mdk10.1.thac.noarch.rpm |
| 20:23.08 | Elbourne | what is GB? and thac.noarch? |
| 20:23.35 | PieD | thac => the packager seign |
| 20:23.51 | PieD | noarch => the i18b packages are the same for i386, x86_64, ppc... |
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| 20:25.05 | gonssal | any idea langenberg |
| 20:25.06 | gonssal | ? |
| 20:25.26 | Elbourne | the mandrake folks are telling me I ought to wait. esp since its not my pc heh |
| 20:25.37 | langenberg | mm always that error or occasionally |
| 20:25.47 | Elbourne | any live distro with KDE 3.4 yet? |
| 20:25.50 | gonssal | always |
| 20:25.54 | gonssal | with both servers |
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| 20:25.56 | langenberg | Elbourne: ofcourse, look for Klax. |
| 20:26.36 | gonssal | but when i request to try to match the server options in preferences, it seems it connects and get them correctly |
| 20:26.38 | langenberg | gonssal: recheck all settings then. Big errors like that may only appear in development versions. |
| 20:26.47 | solsTiCe | hi. in kmail 1.8 (shipped with kde 3.4) every time i change something in the pref of kmail the width of the column are changed in kmail . really annoying ! |
| 20:27.07 | gonssal | the settings are okay, y rechecked them about 10 times |
| 20:27.11 | Elbourne | ok cool. klax has KDE 3.4 RC 1 |
| 20:27.27 | gonssal | Kmail version is 1.7.2 |
| 20:27.47 | somekool | nutshell42: are you using 3.4 ? |
| 20:28.41 | gonssal | ¬¬ |
| 20:30.24 | langenberg | :( amaroK isn't working anymore, Kaffeine is only giving errors. crap. |
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| 20:30.55 | nutshell42 | somekool: yes, why? |
| 20:31.00 | Elbourne | I am visually impaired and use text-to-speach on windows. Having TTS on Linux will allow me to switch to the better OS |
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| 20:32.25 | langenberg | Elbourne: I don't know how TTS on windows can be compared to the KDE version. |
| 20:33.01 | Elbourne | I'm grabbing klax to test it out. |
| 20:33.43 | Elbourne | is there a good OCR app in linux? |
| 20:34.03 | _allanon | tts requires festival or similar. make sure klax includes that. |
| 20:35.10 | _allanon | doesn't kooka come with ocr? |
| 20:35.52 | Elbourne | looks like yes http://www.kde.org/apps/kooka/ |
| 20:36.12 | somekool | nutshell42: you have not realize your applications on your taskbar are not shown in the opening order anymore ? |
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| 20:38.48 | nutshell42 | they are - grouped by virtual desktops in my case, but apart from that |
| 20:39.54 | _allanon | hmf, no kooka news updates for a year. |
| 20:40.04 | _allanon | no wonder no-one responded to my bug report. |
| 20:40.40 | bur[n]er | anyone use krfb?? |
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| 20:46.41 | Flendor | Hello! :D |
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| 20:52.18 | Flendor | Hey salut PieD :) How are you? |
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| 21:07.33 | AlbinoTux | Does anyone here know how to setup KATE to be used with a compiler like gpasm? |
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| 21:09.10 | mick_home | anyone know what a servicemenu is under gnome? |
| 21:09.34 | AlbinoTux | try #gnome |
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| 21:11.13 | slayerbob | argh |
| 21:12.05 | slayerbob | i don't suppose anyone hear knows how canllaith got the sound working on her old notebook? i am fairly sure she was using arts and it does not want to go at all for me - the only way i have sound atm is by disabling kde sound system and using play as an external player |
| 21:13.14 | slayerbob | the sound server starts ok but then completely fails to generate any sounds :( |
| 21:13.51 | mick_home | slayerbob: the best thing to use to check this is mp321 |
| 21:14.00 | mick_home | the debug messages are very good |
| 21:14.05 | mick_home | also check the logs |
| 21:14.22 | slayerbob | ok looking at mp321 now |
| 21:14.27 | slayerbob | where are the logs for arts ? |
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| 21:16.00 | JayParadise2 | niccce 3.4 |
| 21:16.07 | JayParadise2 | when did this come out? |
| 21:16.19 | slayerbob | maybe a week or two ago |
| 21:16.23 | mick_home | my guess, somewhere under /var/logs |
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| 21:17.08 | slayerbob | nope - already checked there :P |
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| 21:17.38 | evalyn | Hey, does anyone know of a way to get an archiver set up with konqueror so that you can right click and do "extract to" and it'll extract an archive to the current directory? |
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| 21:17.58 | evalyn | I have karchiver, but when you click 'extract to' it just opens the archive and doesn't have a clue what the current directory is |
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| 21:18.15 | JayParadise2 | i dont get what your saying |
| 21:18.17 | mick_home | evalyn: edit the servicemenu |
| 21:18.19 | evalyn | This is one of the few things I'd even really want to use a gui for rather than the shell |
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| 21:18.44 | JayParadise2 | like relative directory listing? |
| 21:18.44 | mick_home | evalyn: i'm doing something with them now (check out: http://www.granneman.com/techinfo/tools/openofficeorg/batchprintopenofficeorg.htm) |
| 21:18.52 | evalyn | JayParadise2: like in windows, with winrar or something, you can right click on an archive and select "Extract to.. <this folder>" |
| 21:19.01 | mick_home | it isn't what your doing, but it can be applied to it |
| 21:19.02 | evalyn | ok, thanks mick |
| 21:19.17 | sredna | evalyn: I use a shell script and a servicemenu |
| 21:19.32 | evalyn | sredna: ok, thanks. that's what I was hoping I might be able to do |
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| 21:20.09 | Bearcat | hey folks |
| 21:20.11 | sredna | evalyn: http://83.73.143.23:8003/kde_extract_to |
| 21:20.15 | JayParadise2 | hm with linux extraction programs i havent noticed them NOT doing that, interface kind of sucked, but it would decompress where i wanted |
| 21:20.22 | evalyn | sredna: awesome, thanks :) |
| 21:20.36 | Bearcat | can someone tell me, is arts dead? If so, I'll remove it from my system. |
| 21:21.15 | evalyn | JayParadise2: Yeah but you have to navigate from your home menu folder that it defaults to when you're trying to tell it where to extract to, right? |
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| 21:21.21 | Flendor | Hello again. |
| 21:21.31 | slayerbob | hiya flendor |
| 21:21.31 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 21:21.47 | Flendor | Hey there Slayer, sredna :) |
| 21:21.53 | Flendor | How'S it going for you? |
| 21:22.04 | rzei | should java autoidentation work with katepart? |
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| 21:22.33 | Flendor | I made another go at Linux yesterday..Compiled a new kernel, got "unable to handle kernel paging request" error, gave up :) |
| 21:23.18 | Flendor | Will recompile tomorrow.. |
| 21:23.19 | Garibaldi | One or two weeks ago I was here trying to get some help about a KDE lockup at "Setting up interprocess communication" ... I never got that problem resolved, now it's happening on a different machine. |
| 21:23.27 | Garibaldi | Does anyone have *any* suggestions as to how to fix tht/ |
| 21:23.32 | Garibaldi | s/tht/that/ |
| 21:23.52 | Garibaldi | I've removed the ~user/.kde/* files, I've removed /tmp/* /var/tmp/* |
| 21:23.58 | Garibaldi | I've created a new user and tried to login with that user |
| 21:24.09 | Garibaldi | all of which result in the same error at the same place during the login process |
| 21:24.53 | _allanon | I can't remember seeing a message like that. |
| 21:24.54 | Garibaldi | (this being kde 3.3.4) |
| 21:24.58 | _allanon | oh, wait! |
| 21:25.04 | _allanon | you mean at login? |
| 21:25.14 | Garibaldi | yes |
| 21:25.39 | _allanon | i see.... a nvidia card. |
| 21:25.48 | Garibaldi | you do see an nvidia card |
| 21:25.57 | _allanon | do you, or anyone close you, posess a graphics card of the brand nvidia? |
| 21:26.04 | Garibaldi | yes |
| 21:26.18 | _allanon | ooooh, the images are getting stronger |
| 21:26.26 | _allanon | they try to tell me... it is a bit unclear... |
| 21:26.32 | _allanon | something about a... version? |
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| 21:26.52 | _allanon | yes, it is clear now. they say that you recently installed version 1.0.7167 of the nvidia drivers. |
| 21:27.12 | Garibaldi | let me see |
| 21:27.19 | Garibaldi | indeed, yes |
| 21:27.35 | Garibaldi | 7167 is busted, eh? |
| 21:27.39 | _allanon | not for everyone. |
| 21:27.48 | fat_t0ny | ive used linux for a while for work and ive just started trying it for home use, ive just downloaded the lipstik theme but it doesnt appaer to have an extension that theme manager will recognise? |
| 21:28.03 | _allanon | on my gforce 2 mx 400 it totally barfed. |
| 21:28.03 | Garibaldi | _allanon: that sounds nasty |
| 21:28.16 | _allanon | i suggest downgrade COULD fix the problem. |
| 21:28.21 | Garibaldi | it works with other wm's |
| 21:28.33 | _allanon | i give you gold here. |
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| 21:28.47 | _allanon | you have no idea of the weirdness i had. |
| 21:28.52 | Garibaldi | I'll back it out and try again |
| 21:29.05 | Garibaldi | I don't doubt it's the cause |
| 21:29.06 | Garibaldi | hehe |
| 21:29.09 | _allanon | crashed on login logo. removed login logo: could log in. |
| 21:29.15 | _allanon | opened kcontrol: hardfreeze |
| 21:29.20 | _allanon | open firefox: everything fine. |
| 21:29.27 | _allanon | open konqueror in file browse mode: everything fine. |
| 21:29.36 | _allanon | open konqueror in web mode: hardfreeze. |
| 21:29.50 | _allanon | downgrade: bliss and joy and angels singing. |
| 21:30.02 | Garibaldi | hahaha |
| 21:30.14 | _allanon | enlightenment didn't seem to have problems at all, though. |
| 21:30.28 | evalyn | sredna: would you mind sharing your servicemenu entry for that shellscript also? |
| 21:30.39 | Garibaldi | yeah, that's the same sort of behavior I'm experiencing |
| 21:30.46 | sredna | evalyn: Moment, let me find that |
| 21:30.49 | evalyn | thanks |
| 21:31.30 | _allanon | Garibaldi: give it a try. |
| 21:31.34 | Garibaldi | _allanon: will od |
| 21:31.40 | Garibaldi | s/od/do/ |
| 21:31.46 | Garibaldi | going back to 6629 |
| 21:31.50 | slayerbob | i have a slight problem with arts - no sound comes out even though play works fine. when i run artsd -l 0 as per the wiki i get an error "device: default can't be open for playback (device or resource busy)" |
| 21:31.55 | _allanon | I'm staying at 2.6.10 just because of those stupid nvidia drivers :\ |
| 21:32.01 | slayerbob | does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this ? |
| 21:32.04 | Noldo | Garibaldi: friend of italian history or B5? |
| 21:32.10 | Garibaldi | Noldo: B5 |
| 21:32.20 | _allanon | slayerbob: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 21:32.31 | _allanon | slayerbob: it should give a number. |
| 21:32.45 | Noldo | Garibaldi: you could have said both ;) |
| 21:32.51 | slayerbob | nope |
| 21:32.52 | Flendor | Good night everyone. |
| 21:32.57 | slayerbob | just returns to the console |
| 21:33.00 | _allanon | no? then I dunno. |
| 21:33.02 | _allanon | hm. hm. |
| 21:33.04 | Garibaldi | Noldo: both |
| 21:33.08 | sredna | evalyn: He, I don't know where that is.. |
| 21:33.20 | sredna | evalyn: But it's simple to create |
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| 21:33.41 | evalyn | sredna: hehe..well the web says that service menus are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ |
| 21:33.59 | evalyn | or /opt/kde3/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ or /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/ |
| 21:34.01 | sredna | evalyn: Yea, but it seems to be gone |
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| 21:34.16 | sredna | I'm afraid I use konsole for most file management :o |
| 21:34.24 | evalyn | hehe |
| 21:34.27 | evalyn | I do too |
| 21:34.53 | evalyn | it's just a pain to type out all the stuff involved with making a directory, moving an archive to that directory, unrar/zip etc, then removing the archive |
| 21:35.15 | evalyn | oh well, I'll figure out how to make the menuentry |
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| 21:43.44 | mick_home | evalyn: why not shell script? |
| 21:43.59 | mick_home | thats what i'm doing (screw the right click idea) :) |
| 21:44.05 | evalyn | lol |
| 21:44.05 | evalyn | hmm |
| 21:44.09 | evalyn | that's not a bad idea |
| 21:44.28 | evalyn | I guess I just liked how easy it was to do this with winrar and explorer in windows, soo |
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| 21:45.28 | mick_home | evalyn: loose winrar, try 7zip (7zip.org) |
| 21:46.18 | mick_home | it can hande zip, rar, bzip2, ace, zip, 7z, and some other one |
| 21:46.22 | evalyn | actually the main reason that I wanna use something rather than the shell for this is that I'm dragging music files from albums I download over to amarok :p |
| 21:46.25 | _allanon | i heard people promoting 7zip, so I downloaded it on my parents' computer. |
| 21:46.26 | _allanon | it sucked. |
| 21:46.27 | evalyn | oh? neat |
| 21:46.33 | mick_home | oops 2 others - since i said zip 2 times |
| 21:47.13 | mick_home | _allanon: it kicks, the windows integration is great |
| 21:47.20 | evalyn | it does look nice |
| 21:47.42 | evalyn | Supported formats: 7z, ZIP, CAB, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, Z, TAR, CPIO, RPM and DEB <--- not ace? |
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| 21:49.46 | _allanon | uh? |
| 21:49.50 | _allanon | did we try the same program? |
| 21:50.07 | _allanon | I couldn't even drag files out of the archive window onto the desktop? |
| 21:50.20 | _allanon | it was as non-integrated as it could be? |
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| 21:55.05 | evalyn | How can I turn off "move to trash" ? |
| 21:55.15 | evalyn | ie...just have delete permanently delete files with no confirmation |
| 21:55.27 | _poison | evalyn: shift+delete |
| 21:55.40 | evalyn | but can I get regular delete to do that? |
| 21:55.54 | _poison | evalyn: 3.4 ? |
| 21:56.03 | evalyn | oh, nevermind |
| 21:56.07 | evalyn | I got it O_o |
| 21:56.08 | evalyn | yeah |
| 21:56.11 | evalyn | sorry |
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| 21:57.34 | _poison | evalyn: Control Center -> KDE Components ->File Manager -> Behaviour -> [X] Show 'DeleteÄ conetxt menu |
| 21:58.12 | thiago | evalyn: if you want Del to delete instead of move to trash, just reassign the shortcut |
| 21:59.44 | _poison | one of the rather annoying things in 3.4 ... you have to enable it ... the other thing thats really p*ssing me off is that dumb dialog when quitting an kicker applet ... and even closing it's window ... |
| 22:00.33 | _poison | such annoying stuff counts as one of the many reasons i hate windows ... |
| 22:01.07 | thiago | systray applets? |
| 22:01.16 | thiago | erm, applications |
| 22:02.59 | _poison | thiago: yes ... you know the dialog that pops up if you quit an applet asking if you really wan#t to quit it .... which makes a lot of sense of course ... i clicked quit just for fun ? |
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| 22:06.32 | thiago | sometimes, it slips |
| 22:06.39 | thiago | isn't there the option to "not ask again"? |
| 22:08.01 | _poison | thiago: yes ... but there are a lot of applets ... well ... nevermind ... |
| 22:08.34 | thiago | applications, not applets |
| 22:08.48 | thiago | and those are not kicker things either |
| 22:08.55 | thiago | they are completely separate applications |
| 22:09.32 | _poison | thiago: sorry ... applications having an systray applet ... is this corrext now ? ^^ |
| 22:09.44 | _poison | s/corrext/correct/ |
| 22:09.52 | thiago | ok :) |
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| 22:10.51 | _poison | c ya |
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| 22:11.44 | omry | when I try to use the remote desktop feature of kde, the X Server is using 100% CPU, is there a way around this problem? |
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| 22:19.40 | evalyn | ok, I managed to get a servicemenu set up to extract to a directory |
| 22:19.46 | evalyn | but it's under Extract->Extract to |
| 22:20.02 | evalyn | I can't find where the servicemenu is defined at..I checked all the locations in the kde documentation about servicemenus |
| 22:20.12 | evalyn | I want to move "extract to" into the base of the right click menu |
| 22:20.23 | evalyn | so that I don't have to navigate down to another menu |
| 22:20.24 | evalyn | any clues? |
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| 22:32.01 | slayerbob | whereabouts does arts report its errors to ? |
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| 22:34.40 | PhilRod | you can start it from a console with "artsd -l 0" (dash ell zero) if you want lots of debug output |
| 22:35.06 | PhilRod | I think by default, it only reports 'major' errors, and those are displayed with a dialog |
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| 22:36.07 | slayerbob | ah ok |
| 22:36.40 | slayerbob | ah straight to the console :) |
| 22:37.30 | slayerbob | hmm |
| 22:37.44 | slayerbob | i just get "couldn't load file blah.ogg" messages a |
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| 22:38.02 | thiago | what version is that? |
| 22:38.06 | slayerbob | i think i am having problems because arts believes that the sound is in use |
| 22:38.09 | thiago | HEAD? BRANCH? 3.4.0? |
| 22:38.14 | slayerbob | er you would have to ask canllaith |
| 22:38.18 | thiago | ah |
| 22:38.22 | slayerbob | i have no idea at all about the version |
| 22:38.41 | slayerbob | i think it is head from a week after 3.4 was released |
| 22:38.52 | thiago | because I fixed a bug in akode that made arts not play Vorbis |
| 22:38.52 | canllaith | lol |
| 22:38.59 | canllaith | He is using HEAD from a few days ago |
| 22:39.02 | canllaith | Should I update him? |
| 22:39.07 | slayerbob | oh it does not play anything at all :(( |
| 22:39.09 | canllaith | (My oggs work here.....) |
| 22:39.12 | thiago | I fixed it more than a month ago |
| 22:39.30 | slayerbob | in experimentation i got a few errors claiming that the device or resource was busy |
| 22:39.36 | slayerbob | but nothing was using it |
| 22:39.39 | slayerbob | and play worked just fine |
| 22:40.09 | PhilRod | is it trying to use the wrong device? (there's a command line option to change it) |
| 22:40.17 | slayerbob | nope |
| 22:40.24 | slayerbob | i have tried both /dev/dsp and /dev/sound/dsp |
| 22:40.40 | slayerbob | on this system /dev/sound/dsp is the correct device and /dev/dsp is a symlink to it |
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| 22:41.24 | thiago | devfs |
| 22:41.32 | slayerbob | quite possibly |
| 22:41.52 | slayerbob | you think recompile the kernel to not use that ? |
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| 22:43.31 | thiago | that would break everything |
| 22:43.37 | slayerbob | heh |
| 22:43.45 | slayerbob | i thought as much - is the reason i included it in the first place |
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| 22:45.44 | canllaith | He's using udev |
| 22:45.50 | slayerbob | he is ? |
| 22:45.53 | canllaith | Yes you are. |
| 22:46.08 | canllaith | and his sound is a completely self inflicted problem. |
| 22:46.15 | canllaith | slayerbob: internal ip? I'll take a look |
| 22:46.19 | slayerbob | 3 |
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| 22:47.31 | slayerbob | hmmm |
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| 22:47.38 | slayerbob | looks like i have dev turned off in the kernel |
| 22:47.43 | slayerbob | i am sure i ticked that :S |
| 22:47.48 | canllaith | slayerbob: 889 ? S<s 0:00 udevd |
| 22:48.07 | slayerbob | yuppers |
| 22:48.15 | canllaith | =p |
| 22:48.43 | canllaith | ok so you're running artsd -l 0 to test your sound? |
| 22:48.52 | slayerbob | yuppers |
| 22:49.19 | canllaith | what did it say then? |
| 22:49.24 | slayerbob | ok whatever you did reported this: |
| 22:50.01 | slayerbob | sent it to you in /msg |
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| 22:53.39 | gde | hi .. i use the transparency effect in kicker ... but my taskbar itens arent translucent ... is it possible ? |
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| 22:55.20 | slayerbob | gde: i'm not quite sure that i understand you... |
| 22:55.48 | thiago | gde: do you want the buttons to be transparent as well? |
| 22:57.32 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 22:57.32 | slayerbob | maybe he really did want to know if it was possible :S |
| 22:57.50 | thiago | he didn't get his answer |
| 22:58.25 | slayerbob | i did not understand his question... it looked to me like he was asking if something that was happening was possible |
| 22:58.47 | slayerbob | to which the answer should be obvious :P |
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| 22:59.02 | canllaith | gde: welcome back. |
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| 22:59.10 | canllaith | Go to kde-apps.org and download taskbar v2 |
| 22:59.15 | thiago | gde: do you want the buttons to be transparent as well? |
| 22:59.17 | canllaith | This will make your taskbar items translucent |
| 22:59.21 | gde | canllaith: my X broke ! :( |
| 22:59.25 | canllaith | gde: oh no! :( |
| 22:59.28 | slayerbob | :( |
| 22:59.31 | gde | thiago: yes |
| 22:59.38 | thiago | gde: then do what canllaith said |
| 22:59.47 | thiago | stock kicker can't make buttons transparent |
| 22:59.55 | gde | ok ... i will do it ! |
| 23:00.01 | gde | tkz |
| 23:00.04 | canllaith | yw |
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| 23:00.23 | gde | man ... that new transparency of kde 3.4 are gorgeus ! |
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| 23:06.03 | ubuntu | hello |
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| 23:09.46 | canllaith | Ack :( there is some bug in plastik windeco that makes it draw stupidly on my screen |
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| 23:14.18 | AMIGrAve | Off-Topic : is "gecko portage to Qt" project still active ? |
| 23:14.39 | canllaith | It's in the faq :) Which is in the topic as you come into the channel. |
| 23:15.18 | AMIGrAve | oops sorry wouldn't tought this question would be so asked to be in the faq ;-) |
| 23:16.00 | canllaith | qt toolkit for firefox is in mozilla cvs and works kinda but it's not terribly stable |
| 23:16.16 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/screenshots/qt-firefox2.png |
| 23:16.24 | canllaith | That's it running for me, although I haven't been able to get it to build lately. |
| 23:16.40 | canllaith | Kmozilla is terribly horribly scarily broken (The embedding of Gecko into Konqueror as a kpart) |
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| 23:18.05 | mobtek | canllaith: ewwww |
| 23:18.13 | canllaith | mobtek: what? |
| 23:18.18 | AMIGrAve | hope this project will be successfull. I hate the firefox's new "file dialog/selector" (gnome's one ?) |
| 23:18.19 | mobtek | kmozilla :P |
| 23:18.36 | canllaith | mobtek: lol. Don't 'ewwww' me, I didn't write it |
| 23:18.49 | mobtek | heheh |
| 23:19.09 | mobtek | hmm I'm off to play golf with my old man hehehe |
| 23:19.16 | mobtek | <-- has not played golf in almost 5 years :P |
| 23:19.21 | mobtek | this should be fun |
| 23:19.23 | canllaith | :) Have fun! |
| 23:19.33 | canllaith | The trick is to lose with flair. |
| 23:19.46 | canllaith | If you're going to fling a club, make sure it gets stuck high in a tree or hits someone comically. |
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| 23:20.13 | Tpo1 | what is the difference between kaboodle and noatun? |
| 23:20.28 | Tpo1 | and how did noatun get such a goofy name? |
| 23:20.32 | canllaith | kaboodle doesn't support lots of plugins noatun does - noatun can be themed/skinned, have visualisation plugins etc |
| 23:20.42 | Tpo1 | I see |
| 23:20.46 | canllaith | kaboodle is a 'one shot' media player designed to simply play one song then quit. |
| 23:20.56 | Tpo1 | gotcha |
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| 23:21.05 | mobtek | canllaith: it's at the ADF Fairburn, so fighter jets will prolly be taking off overhead :) |
| 23:21.10 | mobtek | I can try and hit one of those :) |
| 23:21.12 | canllaith | hahaha fucking sweet |
| 23:21.17 | canllaith | 20 points if you hit a plane |
| 23:21.21 | Tpo1 | does Konq use kaboodle as its embedded media player? |
| 23:21.32 | mobtek | hahah golf ball into left intake on the F18 |
| 23:21.37 | mobtek | :P |
| 23:21.37 | canllaith | LOL |
| 23:21.45 | mobtek | like snooker |
| 23:21.45 | canllaith | 100 points and my undying adoration. |
| 23:21.51 | mobtek | but more dangerous |
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| 23:23.29 | gde | canllaith: i installed taskbar v2 and it works ... but now I cant find where to change the buttons text collors ... :(( |
| 23:23.35 | brucehoult | mobtek: you might like this, if you havne't already seen it: http://zeeb.at/oops |
| 23:23.39 | canllaith | You can't, really. |
| 23:24.11 | canllaith | The only choices are something like 'use window title colour for text' or not. |
| 23:24.44 | Tpo1 | brucehoult, you know which of those planes is a B52? |
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| 23:24.57 | brucehoult | yep, the one in a vertical bank :-) |
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| 23:25.13 | brucehoult | I've never seen one at quite that angle before |
| 23:25.34 | Tpo1 | I launched it out that day |
| 23:25.42 | Tpo1 | it was practicing for an airshow |
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| 23:26.04 | brucehoult | do you know what happened? |
| 23:26.14 | gde | canllaith: so i have to choose a wallpaper that help me with the font colors .. |
| 23:26.15 | Tpo1 | yeah, it was practicing for an airshow |
| 23:26.16 | brucehoult | there are about ten reasons those things aren't designed for violent moves |
| 23:26.24 | Tpo1 | B52s are not supposed to be in airshows |
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| 23:26.31 | Kruqziva | Want free linux shell with 1GB storage? Visit #linux-shells for more info. |
| 23:26.39 | Tpo1 | they stopped letting B52s bank that much after it crashed |
| 23:26.41 | canllaith | Kruqziva: bugger off, don't spam in here |
| 23:27.12 | brucehoult | they don't actually have ailerons like everything else, only spoliers |
| 23:27.12 | Tpo1 | it happened in '94 at fairchild AFB in washington |
| 23:27.52 | brucehoult | and the elevator ... the wheel only gives you maybe 10% of the elevator movement, with the rest only available by letting the trim wind slowly along... |
| 23:28.01 | Tpo1 | yup |
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| 23:28.09 | Tpo1 | the preflight was... 'half-assed' |
| 23:28.13 | Tpo1 | I'll put it that way |
| 23:28.21 | Tpo1 | to be nice to the dead pilot |
| 23:28.42 | Tpo1 | I don't think we checked stab trim |
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| 23:29.31 | brucehoult | and the engines are so powerful and so far below the CofG that power changes have more effect on nose up/down than the wheel does |
| 23:30.05 | Tpo1 | I don't know anything about the envelope, I just worked on 'em |
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| 23:30.25 | Tpo1 | but yeah, no ailerons |
| 23:30.41 | canllaith | CofG ? |
| 23:31.02 | canllaith | oh center of gravity? |
| 23:31.09 | brucehoult | all I know is from flying one in X-plane and an ex-52 driver I9 know telling me "yep, that's accurate, that's how it really is" |
| 23:31.20 | Tpo1 | mm |
| 23:31.39 | Tpo1 | I read that book heh |
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| 23:42.28 | tbird | hi all |
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