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| 00:10.33 | slayerbob | what provides the ogg libraries for arts ? |
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| 00:14.53 | Tpo1 | libvorbis? |
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| 00:15.18 | Tpo1 | libogg |
| 00:15.29 | slayerbob | ok i have both of those installed :S |
| 00:15.50 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
| 00:15.58 | slayerbob | hiya eisregen |
| 00:16.34 | Tpo1 | you may have to ./configure with --with-ogg=/usr or something... type ./configure --help | grep ogg |
| 00:16.54 | slayerbob | configure what in particular ? |
| 00:17.44 | eisregen | is it somehow possible to group windows (like in enlightenment) to let kwin know they belong to one application ... so when clicking one window in the taskbar applet I can raise all windows (useful for example with gimp) ... |
| 00:17.56 | canllaith | did you installpkg * in 'l' like I told you to? |
| 00:17.58 | eisregen | slayerbob: hi =) |
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| 00:18.06 | slayerbob | yup canllaith that finished ages ago |
| 00:18.12 | slayerbob | did not solve anything |
| 00:18.12 | canllaith | ran ldconfig as root? |
| 00:18.25 | slayerbob | trying that now |
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| 00:18.55 | slayerbob | ok still no go |
| 00:19.21 | canllaith | I can't possibly see what you've brokens ince it works on hal/queeg/k7 |
| 00:19.24 | canllaith | since* |
| 00:19.32 | slayerbob | well it does not work here |
| 00:19.36 | canllaith | Let me upload you some new binaries later, k7 got rebooted halfway through building |
| 00:19.42 | slayerbob | :S |
| 00:19.42 | slayerbob | k |
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| 00:19.58 | slayerbob | as far as i know i installed everything off the first cd |
| 00:20.07 | gregday_ | oooh new 300GB drive came in today |
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| 00:20.37 | slayerbob | gregday: nice :P |
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| 00:20.55 | gregday_ | slayerbob im thinking... one huge-ass /tmp partition ;) |
| 00:21.02 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 00:21.12 | slayerbob | for what purpose ? :P |
| 00:22.16 | slayerbob | i'm going to try rebooting in case there is something not being restarted properly when i restart kde |
| 00:22.37 | kilrae | mmm, 300GB |
| 00:22.38 | kilrae | i want one |
| 00:22.52 | gregday_ | kilrae $180USD at newegg |
| 00:22.55 | kilrae | i'm running out of HD space |
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| 00:24.20 | Tpo1 | qtparted is your friend |
| 00:24.38 | kilrae | i've only a few GB left |
| 00:25.21 | kilrae | well, actually i tossed another 40 in this computer, so i'm not so bad off |
| 00:25.25 | kilrae | but i'm kinda scared |
| 00:25.45 | kilrae | cause the 40 was my brother's old hard drive and he dropped it |
| 00:25.56 | gregday_ | that's punishable by death |
| 00:27.12 | kilrae | i don't have room for another hard drive in my server unfortunately |
| 00:27.44 | gregday_ | i cant believe 400GB drives are available too |
| 00:27.45 | kilrae | it barely had room for the three that are in it |
| 00:27.51 | kilrae | one is upside down |
| 00:27.52 | gregday_ | my first hard drive was 20MB and this is blowing my frickin mind |
| 00:28.18 | kilrae | i have a 423MB drive in my closet |
| 00:28.26 | gregday_ | might as well pop off that "delete" key right now |
| 00:28.44 | kilrae | nah, you'd be surprised how fast you can fill up 400GB |
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| 00:29.06 | gregday_ | with 3 meg DSL, yeah :) |
| 00:29.18 | gregday_ | *cough*bittorrent*cough* |
| 00:30.06 | kilrae | i have 320 in the server plus 60 in this computer filled |
| 00:30.10 | gde | is the kde3.4 luminocity extremally bugged for everyone ? |
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| 00:32.23 | kilrae | remember compressing hard drives? |
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| 00:43.27 | kilrae | does KWord crash on everyone else when opening word docs? |
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| 00:44.54 | kilrae | hmm, maybe it's just some word docs |
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| 00:46.42 | grepper | kilrae: seems to work ok here, tho I don't have many *.doc files to test |
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| 00:47.02 | grepper | the reason I don't use kword is the font selection box is laggy as hell on my machine |
| 00:47.31 | LeStat_ | i have a bit of a problem, i upgraded to kde 3.4 and now whenever i print something everything comes out all oversized, however in print preview it looks normal |
| 00:47.34 | LeStat_ | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:50.46 | kilrae | anyone happen to have a copy of my poli sci fall outline? |
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| 00:53.11 | Tpo1 | I can't decide whether to use Kontact or Mozilla |
| 00:53.50 | slayerbob | try both and use the one you prefer :) |
| 00:53.54 | lignux | Hi Tpo1 |
| 00:54.07 | Tpo1 | heya lignux |
| 00:54.16 | lignux | How goes? |
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| 00:54.21 | Tpo1 | heh slayerbob... makes too much sense |
| 00:54.29 | Tpo1 | lignux, it goes well, thanks |
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| 00:57.22 | kilrae | konq annoys me sometimes |
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| 01:03.44 | silver | my sound won't work in kde, because something's tying it up. i get device busy errors and such. works in fluxbox fine |
| 01:04.20 | slayerbob | you too huh ? :( |
| 01:04.43 | slayerbob | silver: have you tried playing a .wav file manually ? |
| 01:05.01 | silver | manually? |
| 01:05.19 | kilrae | zaphod's second head is in the wrong palce |
| 01:05.20 | slayerbob | from konsole do something like artsplay filename.wav |
| 01:05.21 | kilrae | place |
| 01:06.19 | pepone | Hello i developing a GNU Sale Point software with QT and Ice (http://www.zeroc.com). there are site for a Sale Point Software into KDE? |
| 01:06.56 | silver | slayerbob: that works! |
| 01:07.08 | slayerbob | silver: ok now try it with artsplay.ogg |
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| 01:07.10 | slayerbob | er |
| 01:07.14 | xuesheng | hello |
| 01:07.15 | slayerbob | artsplay filename.ogg |
| 01:07.16 | silver | and kde sound effects work |
| 01:07.26 | slayerbob | ah :) |
| 01:07.27 | silver | slayerbob: well, this works. i dont have any ogg |
| 01:07.39 | slayerbob | silver: most of the kde sounds are oggs i think |
| 01:08.01 | silver | W00T MUSIC |
| 01:08.19 | canllaith | what were you trying to use to play sound before? |
| 01:08.27 | slayerbob | heh good point :P |
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| 01:08.29 | silver | i figure amarok and xmms don't work because kde was tying up my soundcard |
| 01:08.37 | silver | was=is |
| 01:08.44 | fortran01 | How can I configure the pager in such a way that other tabs (from other pages) won't appear? |
| 01:08.47 | canllaith | Yes, unless you set amarok to use arts |
| 01:10.08 | silver | under amarok's configure->engine, there are no engine |
| 01:10.21 | silver | engines* |
| 01:10.24 | canllaith | How did you install amarok? |
| 01:10.32 | silver | i can google from here, thanks guys, yall rock! |
| 01:10.35 | silver | came in my kubuntu |
| 01:10.42 | silver | from apt |
| 01:10.49 | canllaith | mm do you have kdemultimedia installed? |
| 01:10.57 | silver | idk ho |
| 01:11.08 | silver | yes |
| 01:11.30 | apokryphos | silver: That doesn't sound right at all. |
| 01:11.43 | apokryphos | silver: can you give me the output of dpkg -l | grep amarok? |
| 01:12.07 | silver | ii amarok 1.2.1-0ubuntu5 versatile and easy to use audio player for K |
| 01:12.07 | silver | ii amarok-arts 1.2.1-0ubuntu5 aRts engine for the amaroK audio player |
| 01:12.29 | silver | weird |
| 01:12.40 | apokryphos | That it? The repos also have the xine and gstreamer engine. You should at least have the aRts engine, there. |
| 01:13.02 | silver | i do have the aRts engine, i guess that didn't paste |
| 01:13.14 | apokryphos | Yeah, I noticed... that's why I said you should ;-) |
| 01:13.22 | silver | :P sorry |
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| 01:13.44 | apokryphos | aRts engine works fine in amaroK here, though. |
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| 01:16.21 | newbie_ | sorry |
| 01:16.40 | silver | amarok works now, even though there's no engine listed |
| 01:17.10 | silver | Sweet. |
| 01:17.23 | apokryphos | Err, sounds odd. It must be using the aRts engine, though I have no idea why it's not listing it. |
| 01:17.47 | LeStat_ | can anyone tell me how to get the konsole in kde 3.4 to remember its color scheme settings? I keep changing it to black background iwth white text, and everytime i close it and reopen later its back to white background with black text? |
| 01:18.15 | canllaith | "Save settings as default' |
| 01:18.19 | silver | thanks so much |
| 01:18.21 | silver | KDE owns |
| 01:18.29 | canllaith | settings -> Save as default |
| 01:18.34 | LeStat_ | 3.4 is very impressive |
| 01:18.38 | LeStat_ | im very happy i upgraded the other day |
| 01:19.12 | LeStat_ | excellent, thanks that worked |
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| 01:19.45 | sh0n | any KDE tools to record the X Window desktop? |
| 01:19.49 | sh0n | or know of any ? |
| 01:20.13 | canllaith | 'record' ? :) |
| 01:20.21 | canllaith | Just to take a screenshot or an actual swf or mpg ? |
| 01:20.40 | sh0n | video |
| 01:20.52 | canllaith | No not KDE tools. vnc2swf is ok |
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| 01:23.43 | membreya | what does one do if one no longer has the file ~/.kde/apps/share |
| 01:23.45 | membreya | erm |
| 01:23.56 | membreya | ~/.kde/share/apps/kicker |
| 01:24.00 | membreya | is what I meant :) |
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| 01:26.22 | canllaith | This is not a file |
| 01:26.52 | canllaith | It's a directory.... and all it did was contain any custom buttons you added (Like launcher .desktop files) |
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| 01:27.24 | membreya | ok canllaith, well my menu has disappeared.. I still have ONE custom launcher, but the rest of the menu has vanished ...panel still remains intact |
| 01:27.36 | canllaith | The menu is not stored there |
| 01:27.40 | canllaith | What version of KDE are you using? |
| 01:27.43 | membreya | 3.4 |
| 01:27.56 | canllaith | The menu is stored in ~/.config |
| 01:28.06 | canllaith | this is to comply with freedesktop.org menu standards. |
| 01:28.46 | Simkin | hey guys |
| 01:28.48 | canllaith | If you mean the actual button that you click on to make the menu pop up, you can simply re-add that by right clicking on the panel and selecting Add to Panel -> Special Button -> K Menu |
| 01:29.07 | LeStat_ | if u just upgraded to 3.4 u may have to delete your old ~/.kde |
| 01:29.09 | LeStat_ | i had to |
| 01:29.13 | Simkin | i'm using kopete and trying to sene /receive encrypted messages. but it's not working out (it won't decrypt) anyone know if this is only supported with certain chat protocols? |
| 01:29.19 | LeStat_ | but I use Kanotix so it may be a bit diffrent |
| 01:29.22 | membreya | LeStat_: new install :\ |
| 01:29.35 | LeStat_ | try seeing if u still have a old ~/.kde |
| 01:29.40 | LeStat_ | and rename the directory, then restart kde |
| 01:29.55 | LeStat_ | ull have to manually reset many of your things after |
| 01:30.24 | apokryphos | membreya: I wouldn't go down replacing your ~/.kde. The upgrade to 3.4 wasn't the problem; it was the kernel meddling. ;-) |
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| 01:30.40 | membreya | lol apokryphos :P |
| 01:30.56 | LeStat_ | that would make sense to, as i said things are a bit diffrent from me as i use a hard drive installation of Kanotix 05 |
| 01:30.59 | jcurry | how do i get kompmgr? |
| 01:32.51 | membreya | slooowly rebuilding my menu system :) |
| 01:32.52 | bushwakko | I have no gui in kcontrol for setting kdm-themes |
| 01:33.52 | apokryphos | bushwakko: there's a logical reason for that. :) There isn't one. |
| 01:34.03 | jcurry | bushwakko, get the one from kde-look.org |
| 01:34.04 | apokryphos | I believe someone made one on kde-apps; might be worth checking out. |
| 01:34.14 | jcurry | ditto |
| 01:35.01 | LeStat_ | bushwakko u have to add it |
| 01:35.03 | LeStat_ | here go to this url |
| 01:35.23 | LeStat_ | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22120 |
| 01:35.34 | LeStat_ | its a great app that adds kdm theme control to ur control center |
| 01:35.49 | LeStat_ | under system admin |
| 01:36.34 | LeStat_ | just made a nice kdm theme for myself today :) |
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| 01:38.08 | jcurry | aaa! i died |
| 01:38.10 | LeStat_ | i like the new look of konqueror in kde 3.4, very nice |
| 01:38.31 | xuesheng | LeStat_: konqi has a new look? |
| 01:38.47 | LeStat_ | well the konqueror app when browsing files |
| 01:38.55 | LeStat_ | that nice menu asking what ud like to view |
| 01:39.14 | jcurry | i like how it displays the title next to the urls in the location dropdown, makes it easy to distinguish blah.com/index.php?id=123 and blah.com/index.php?id=456 |
| 01:39.15 | LeStat_ | home,network,apps,storage,etc.. |
| 01:39.29 | jcurry | the about: kio? |
| 01:39.39 | jcurry | type 'about:' in the location bar |
| 01:39.43 | LeStat_ | though the new shutdown image of konqi sleeping is kinda cool, still had to replace it with my custom image though :) |
| 01:40.08 | jcurry | that is pretty cool |
| 01:40.12 | canllaith | konqi sleeping is cute |
| 01:40.24 | jcurry | except he is perilously balanced |
| 01:40.26 | jcurry | :0 |
| 01:40.29 | jcurry | :) |
| 01:40.30 | LeStat_ | 3.4 has lots of fun little things to discover |
| 01:40.37 | LeStat_ | i keep finding more and more changes as i use it |
| 01:40.52 | xuesheng | like the new location for mails in kmail :p |
| 01:40.59 | LeStat_ | im still dissapointed they removed the icon zooming in kicker though, i liked that feature a lot |
| 01:41.25 | LeStat_ | the huge name tag that pops out in its place is very ugly in my opinion |
| 01:41.30 | LeStat_ | had to turn that off promptly |
| 01:41.46 | jcurry | what is the new mail location? |
| 01:41.50 | jcurry | .mail? |
| 01:42.09 | jcurry | can i safely move ~/Mail/* to ~/.mail/ ? |
| 01:42.24 | xuesheng | something like .kde/share/apps/kmail/.mail -- it's deeply hidden I must say :p |
| 01:42.36 | xuesheng | that is for pop3 at least |
| 01:42.45 | jcurry | mine is still in ~/Mail |
| 01:43.15 | xuesheng | jcurry: only new accounts get the new location. I mean, only fresh installs. If you upgrade, it'll stay where it was. |
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| 01:43.30 | jcurry | xuesheng, can I safely move it? |
| 01:43.59 | xuesheng | jcurry: don't ask me :p anyway, I think your mail is safer in ~/Mail - I'd like to have mine there too. |
| 01:44.32 | jcurry | whatever, i gave it a pretty icon |
| 01:44.34 | jcurry | so it's cool |
| 01:44.51 | jcurry | OS-L is an awesome iconset, especially at 128x128 :) |
| 01:45.18 | xuesheng | makes me realise, I have never installed a theme or an iconset.... |
| 01:45.47 | jcurry | xuesheng, get cracking! |
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| 01:45.59 | jcurry | baghira is the bomb |
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| 01:48.25 | mebrelith | help! |
| 01:49.05 | mebrelith | can anyone help me? trying to update to 3.4 asks for libdns_sd.so.1, where can I find it? |
| 01:50.17 | jcurry | mebrelith, can't find that file, and i'm *running* 3.4 |
| 01:50.30 | mebrelith | funny |
| 01:50.36 | LeStat_ | i have debian so a simple apt-get dist-upgrade got me to kde 3.4 with the correct sources in my sources.list of course |
| 01:50.43 | jcurry | use debian; it helps :) |
| 01:50.48 | jcurry | same here |
| 01:50.49 | mebrelith | lol |
| 01:51.14 | jcurry | LeStat_, you are using the special repo, or has 3.4 made it into sid? |
| 01:51.23 | mebrelith | well thats useful for debian, but Im a fedorian |
| 01:51.31 | jcurry | silly fedorians |
| 01:51.33 | jcurry | use yum |
| 01:51.42 | mebrelith | no luck |
| 01:51.43 | jcurry | doesn't fedora have 3.4 yet? |
| 01:51.54 | jcurry | or are you trying to compile |
| 01:51.56 | jcurry | ? |
| 01:52.03 | mebrelith | kde.redhat team |
| 01:52.14 | jcurry | sounds like a #fedora problem, not a #kde problem |
| 01:52.17 | LeStat_ | jcurry |
| 01:52.18 | LeStat_ | KDE 3.4 packages deb |
| 01:52.18 | LeStat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.18 | LeStat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.27 | jcurry | L\ |
| 01:52.33 | LeStat_ | those are the sources i used to apt to kde 3.4 |
| 01:52.36 | jcurry | LeStat_, ok, that's the one i'm using |
| 01:52.42 | apokryphos | mebrelith: 3.4 is in the repos |
| 01:52.45 | mebrelith | well silly me heres me thinking "hrmmm kde 3.4, I should go to #kde" |
| 01:52.57 | mebrelith | quit |
| 01:53.04 | jcurry | we could be wrong, of course |
| 01:53.04 | mebrelith | this |
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| 01:53.11 | jcurry | you want a '/quit' |
| 01:53.15 | mebrelith | nah |
| 01:53.18 | mebrelith | wrong window |
| 01:53.22 | jcurry | oh. |
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| 01:58.52 | Simkin | how can i start kde with a different settings directory? (when i log in locally i want to use .kde3 in my /home dir but when i login through nxserver i want to use something like .kde3nx in my /home dir) |
| 01:58.54 | Simkin | any ideas? |
| 01:59.08 | Simkin | ordering pizza now! |
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| 01:59.14 | Simkin | so good ideas will get a slice :) |
| 01:59.57 | thiago | Simkin: set KDEHOME |
| 01:59.59 | jcurry | ooh, a toughy |
| 02:00.10 | Simkin | thiago, is that an app or a setting? |
| 02:00.17 | jcurry | and thiago GETS A SLICE! |
| 02:00.21 | thiago | an environment variable |
| 02:00.27 | thiago | set that before you start KDE |
| 02:01.44 | Simkin | oh. don't get that option with nx or kdm though |
| 02:02.00 | jcurry | well, before you start nx, maybe? |
| 02:02.08 | jcurry | there has to be a script somewhere |
| 02:02.24 | jcurry | #nx would be a good place to start |
| 02:02.43 | Simkin | hahha |
| 02:02.54 | Simkin | thanks. it's a very good start for me! |
| 02:03.05 | Simkin | you both deserve pizza! |
| 02:03.09 | jcurry | any time. |
| 02:03.26 | Simkin | well i have no idea where you are |
| 02:03.34 | Simkin | but if you're on the way from vancouver bc to LA california |
| 02:03.41 | Simkin | i'll buy you some along the way |
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| 02:04.21 | jcurry | nope, nowhere close |
| 02:04.26 | jcurry | i live on jupiter |
| 02:04.28 | jcurry | :) |
| 02:04.29 | Simkin | well |
| 02:04.31 | thiago | Simkin: sure you do |
| 02:04.32 | Simkin | you're outa luck then |
| 02:04.32 | Simkin | man |
| 02:04.35 | thiago | set it in your ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:04.38 | Simkin | your lag is nice and low for jupiter! |
| 02:04.49 | slayerbob | quantum tunnelling :) |
| 02:04.50 | thiago | for kdm, in ~/.xsession |
| 02:04.54 | Simkin | thiago, but i want one session to login one way, and another to login a diff way |
| 02:05.00 | thiago | make sure you're using session "default", not "kde" |
| 02:05.18 | Simkin | thiago, oooh! |
| 02:05.40 | thiago | you'll need to exec startkde from your script, though |
| 02:05.56 | Simkin | i think that'll be ok |
| 02:06.23 | Simkin | how come? |
| 02:06.28 | Simkin | i'm liking it lots |
| 02:06.30 | jcurry | too many keys and creating new users, and stuff |
| 02:06.30 | Simkin | so far |
| 02:06.44 | jcurry | and, the client didn't work on my zaurus |
| 02:06.45 | thiago | works fine for me |
| 02:06.46 | thiago | NX that is |
| 02:06.53 | Simkin | it works great for me too |
| 02:07.03 | Simkin | except at home i have 1280x1024 x 2 |
| 02:07.03 | jcurry | i use x11vnc, cause i had to view the current session, not start a new one |
| 02:07.14 | Simkin | so i get weird thing when logging in from other computers that only support 1024x768 etc |
| 02:07.26 | Simkin | jcurry, ! ahh |
| 02:07.32 | Simkin | i'm lookin ginto xmove to solve that one |
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| 02:09.11 | kilrae | xmove, that has vowels, i wouldn't trust it |
| 02:09.11 | Simkin | vnc is just too painfully slow |
| 02:09.34 | Simkin | hrm |
| 02:09.40 | Simkin | better rename it to xmv |
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| 02:10.08 | jcurry | lol |
| 02:10.36 | jesusfish | anyone know of a Theme/Style like SuSE has in 9.3? |
| 02:10.38 | jcurry | thiago, kde even has a vowel, cause vowels are ok in kde |
| 02:10.49 | jcurry | jesusfish, got a screenshot? |
| 02:11.06 | jcurry | thiago, only the X apps can't have vowels |
| 02:11.19 | jcurry | and the ones that do, they are blasphemous |
| 02:11.36 | thiago | so, xtrm? |
| 02:12.07 | Simkin | so just so i'm perfectly straight, in ~/.xinitrc have a line that says export KDEHOME=~/.kdelocal; kdestart and in ~/.xsession have export KDEHOME=~/.kderemote; kdestart |
| 02:12.07 | Simkin | ? |
| 02:12.14 | jcurry | yep, xterm is an iconoclast |
| 02:12.20 | jesusfish | jcurry: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/11878.html |
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| 02:13.18 | kilrae | no, vowels are allowed when in an acronym |
| 02:13.28 | kilrae | e stands for environment |
| 02:13.48 | canllaith | That looks just like plastik jesusfish |
| 02:13.56 | canllaith | with some custom windeco |
| 02:14.05 | jesusfish | ya, I'd like the deco |
| 02:14.08 | jcurry | jesusfish, it is loading, but i am slow, cause dialup sucks |
| 02:14.09 | *** part/#kde cryss (~chris@ppp-62-245-209-171.mnet-online.de) |
| 02:14.19 | kilrae | and possibly vowels are permitted when they come at the start of a word or are their own syllable |
| 02:14.26 | canllaith | Well... you probably can get it from suse sources and build it |
| 02:14.27 | jcurry | trust canllaith, though, he knows what he is talking about |
| 02:14.36 | canllaith | jcurry: he? |
| 02:14.38 | apokryphos | she ;) |
| 02:14.40 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:14.56 | kilrae | like usr |
| 02:14.59 | canllaith | jesusfish: mmm I don't recognise that windeco as being something from kde-look except... actually, maybe it is somewhere |
| 02:15.11 | jesusfish | I finally got bored of Plastik |
| 02:15.13 | njaard | SuSE has a nice long tradition of using grotesque styles |
| 02:15.15 | jcurry | canllaith, oops, sorry :) |
| 02:15.22 | apokryphos | jesusfish: Impossible! |
| 02:15.27 | jesusfish | lol |
| 02:15.29 | kilrae | and possible if the word has many possible meanings based on that vowel |
| 02:15.31 | jcurry | canllaith, i *have* to start using those spivak pronouns |
| 02:15.43 | canllaith | spivak ? |
| 02:15.48 | njaard | ask wikipedia :) |
| 02:15.51 | canllaith | k :P |
| 02:15.56 | njaard | canllaith: their-th = eir |
| 02:15.58 | jcurry | kilrae, you are reading too much into it |
| 02:15.59 | kilrae | like it might be needed in bin, cause you wouldn't want to confused that with ban or bane or ben or bone |
| 02:16.01 | canllaith | ahh ok :) |
| 02:16.04 | njaard | canllaith: follow that pattern for all, it's easy :) |
| 02:16.05 | jcurry | kilrae, it really doesn't matter :) |
| 02:16.10 | kilrae | so? |
| 02:16.18 | canllaith | njaard: I just refer to people by nick - eaiser =p |
| 02:16.21 | canllaith | easier* |
| 02:16.24 | jcurry | canllaith, they are gender-neutral pronouns |
| 02:16.30 | canllaith | Gotcha. |
| 02:16.32 | jesusfish | I'm still liking the Lipstik style though |
| 02:16.55 | jcurry | kilrae, you are definitly spending too much time on it :) |
| 02:17.12 | canllaith | mmm Suse professional looks rather nice |
| 02:17.12 | kilrae | nah |
| 02:17.35 | canllaith | I think I'd hate it, but might be nice for customers :) |
| 02:17.43 | kilrae | philosophy major, acronyms are more useful than most stuff i analyze |
| 02:17.55 | jesusfish | canllaith: I agree..very soft and smooth |
| 02:18.37 | canllaith | I might me moving lots of machines to a KDE on linux solution if I get this job I'm taking 10 years to go through the interview process..... |
| 02:18.48 | canllaith | and Suse professional I think is really what I should be using. |
| 02:19.06 | canllaith | (I have used Slackware personally for 8 years but I don't think it's the best solution for user(non developer) workstations) |
| 02:19.40 | jcurry | canllaith, defintly do thin clients |
| 02:19.40 | canllaith | mmm |
| 02:19.51 | canllaith | jcurry: you don't even know the network setup, how can you recommend that? |
| 02:19.58 | jcurry | then you can use kiosk functionality to it's full extent |
| 02:20.12 | jcurry | canllaith, well, true |
| 02:20.14 | canllaith | They could be using 11MBps 802.11b and need to do heavy video editing |
| 02:20.17 | jcurry | i'm an idiot, happy? |
| 02:20.23 | canllaith | Then thin clients would be the single most ridiculous solution I could give them =p |
| 02:20.35 | jcurry | true |
| 02:20.57 | canllaith | lolol well it's a great solution for some things |
| 02:21.09 | jcurry | i am just running a lab with thin clients and ltsp, and it is awesome |
| 02:21.11 | canllaith | eg, word processing and simple desktop publishing - and exams (It's an educational institution) |
| 02:21.36 | jcurry | it would be some much more work to have an individual copy of the os on every computer |
| 02:21.41 | canllaith | Nah |
| 02:21.46 | canllaith | You just pxe boot to grab the install image |
| 02:22.12 | canllaith | It is some more work to set it up, but once you've set up the infrastructure maintaining an image is no work. |
| 02:22.13 | jcurry | well, most of our client are old and ontaed, and few have more than 64 megabytes of memory |
| 02:22.17 | jcurry | donated* |
| 02:22.45 | cartel_ | hey guys |
| 02:22.54 | cartel_ | does anyone know an LDIF schema editor for kde yet? |
| 02:23.03 | jcurry | wtf is LDIF? |
| 02:23.25 | cartel_ | er |
| 02:23.26 | cartel_ | ldap |
| 02:23.28 | cartel_ | sorry |
| 02:23.33 | cartel_ | openldap schema editor |
| 02:24.15 | jcurry | oh...no idea |
| 02:24.18 | jcurry | sorry :) |
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| 02:26.20 | X-The | anyone? |
| 02:27.05 | jcurry | X-The, i'm sorry? |
| 02:27.17 | X-The | ur a developer? |
| 02:27.31 | jcurry | no, but maybe i can help you anyway |
| 02:27.44 | jcurry | X-The, the best way to get an answer is to ask a question |
| 02:27.56 | X-The | if ur not a developer u cant help |
| 02:28.13 | jcurry | are you sure? i'm a power user |
| 02:28.14 | X-The | jcurry: im a developer |
| 02:28.21 | jcurry | I believe you. |
| 02:28.39 | jcurry | why don't you ask, and a developer will pipe up if they can help you |
| 02:28.57 | jcurry | arguing with me won't help :) |
| 02:29.00 | X-The | ill ask in kde-devel mail list |
| 02:29.11 | jcurry | suit yourself |
| 02:29.45 | canllaith | lol so why come in and go 'anyone' and not ask a question? |
| 02:30.01 | X-The | canllaith: :) |
| 02:30.04 | jcurry | canllaith, i don't get it. am i doing anything wrong? |
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| 02:30.21 | X-The | i sync to cvs yesterday and konq still have the configuration window fixed |
| 02:30.32 | X-The | i click to configure in konq and appears an empty page |
| 02:30.55 | jcurry | did you absolutly positivly restart konq? |
| 02:30.58 | canllaith | works fine here |
| 02:31.03 | X-The | weird |
| 02:31.03 | jcurry | it sometimes keeps a copy in memory |
| 02:31.22 | X-The | since i use 3.4.0 always happens this |
| 02:31.31 | canllaith | I'm using cvs head as of yesterday - works fine here. |
| 02:31.35 | canllaith | Tried as another user? |
| 02:31.42 | X-The | yes |
| 02:31.46 | X-The | oops now |
| 02:31.48 | X-The | i mean no |
| 02:31.57 | canllaith | Try as another user then (Create an entirely new user) |
| 02:32.02 | X-The | but now i cant cause is building kdepim.rpm |
| 02:32.10 | X-The | yes i will |
| 02:32.14 | canllaith | Of course you can |
| 02:32.23 | canllaith | switch user, manually flip to another tty and switch user, su to that user and run from konsole |
| 02:32.28 | canllaith | I mean gosh we're using a unix here |
| 02:32.29 | X-The | i would prefer to log as another user |
| 02:32.37 | canllaith | so log on as another user on tty2 =p |
| 02:32.45 | X-The | hum |
| 02:32.45 | jcurry | canllaith, lol |
| 02:32.58 | X-The | im afraid braking some |
| 02:33.11 | slayerbob | developers are not afraid of such things |
| 02:33.19 | X-The | i have to put this kdepim.rpm to public still today |
| 02:33.46 | jcurry | i guess you'll have to wait |
| 02:34.10 | X-The | jcurry: i think so |
| 02:34.16 | jcurry | well, now that i've stayed here for a bit, and helped some people, let's return to why i dropped in; ie, my original question |
| 02:34.24 | jcurry | where can i get kompmgr |
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| 02:34.33 | suni | hi |
| 02:34.33 | jcurry | either a binary, or co it from cvs |
| 02:34.35 | X-The | jcurry: cant help |
| 02:34.39 | suni | how do i rebuild the kde menu? |
| 02:34.40 | jcurry | 'lo suni |
| 02:34.40 | canllaith | No. Developers just break it anyway ;) =p |
| 02:34.45 | Simkin | thanks guys! |
| 02:34.45 | jcurry | lol |
| 02:34.50 | Simkin | what guys suggested didn't work |
| 02:34.57 | Simkin | but! it did lead me on to what i needed to do! |
| 02:35.00 | X-The | rpm --rebuild |
| 02:35.02 | suni | it was so outdatted that i deleted it all . |
| 02:35.05 | jcurry | Simkin, my pizza never arrived...is your warp drive on? |
| 02:35.17 | jcurry | suni, why distro? |
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| 02:35.24 | jcurry | i have an update-menu |
| 02:35.29 | jetscreamer | is kmix just a front end? |
| 02:35.40 | jcurry | jetscreamer, yes, to alsa |
| 02:35.50 | jetscreamer | what about oss |
| 02:35.51 | suni | jcurry, just the user's menu list got deleted. |
| 02:35.53 | jcurry | and everything is a front-end to, say, the command line |
| 02:36.12 | jcurry | jetscreamer, it can do oss also...through arts! |
| 02:36.27 | jetscreamer | how do i get it to remember settings across reboots |
| 02:36.28 | jcurry | jetscreamer, why, are you having problems? |
| 02:36.33 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 02:36.38 | Simkin | i lack warp technology |
| 02:36.41 | jcurry | jetscreamer, su to root, run alsa ctl store |
| 02:36.46 | jetscreamer | oss |
| 02:36.49 | jcurry | jetscreamer, unless you use oss |
| 02:36.50 | Simkin | jcurry, but i gave the donkey a very good swat on the rear! |
| 02:36.51 | jcurry | oh |
| 02:37.05 | jcurry | Simkin, thanks! i'm immortal, so it's ok! |
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| 02:37.18 | jcurry | jetscreamer, no idea |
| 02:37.28 | jcurry | jetscreamer, #oss is a good place to start |
| 02:37.42 | jetscreamer | thankee very much |
| 02:37.56 | jcurry | this is so easy :) |
| 02:37.59 | jcurry | jetscreamer, sure |
| 02:38.01 | canllaith | jetscreamer: tick the box that says remember settings? |
| 02:38.09 | Simkin | you do like to do that a lot don't you jcurry :) |
| 02:38.19 | jcurry | Simkin, try it, it's fun |
| 02:38.37 | jetscreamer | canllaith, i don't have one |
| 02:38.41 | Simkin | ok |
| 02:38.42 | jcurry | jetscreamer, i have such a text box also |
| 02:38.46 | Simkin | i get the next guy :) |
| 02:38.53 | jcurry | jetscreamer, you could try upgrading |
| 02:38.59 | jcurry | Simkin, deal |
| 02:39.02 | canllaith | settings -> configure kmix |
| 02:39.05 | canllaith | yes, you do |
| 02:39.17 | scrooge | hey |
| 02:39.19 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 02:39.29 | jcurry | unless you re using kde 1.0, or something |
| 02:39.36 | jcurry | 'lo scrooge |
| 02:39.53 | scrooge | if konqueror doesnt "dim" the forward and back buttons when there is no page to go fwd or back to, shold i recompile it? |
| 02:39.55 | scrooge | this is weird |
| 02:39.57 | jetscreamer | it's a bastard install, just some kde packages installed, not a full blown kde installation |
| 02:40.21 | jetscreamer | but i'm open |
| 02:40.23 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:40.49 | jcurry | jetscreamer, do you have the checkbox? |
| 02:41.10 | suni | hmm |
| 02:41.13 | jetscreamer | not in kmix, and i don't have the settings daemon |
| 02:41.25 | suni | wheres the kde menu file? |
| 02:41.35 | jetscreamer | (yet) |
| 02:41.36 | Simkin | brb |
| 02:41.37 | thiago | suni: "file" |
| 02:41.39 | thiago | make that plural |
| 02:41.46 | thiago | many files in many directories |
| 02:41.48 | jcurry | suni, menues are generally very tricky, and often handled by the distro maintainers |
| 02:41.48 | thiago | all over the place |
| 02:41.57 | jcurry | Simkin, that was your cue |
| 02:41.57 | thiago | why do you want to know? |
| 02:42.03 | suni | jcurry, its just for this user. |
| 02:42.10 | scrooge | echo $PATH |
| 02:42.14 | suni | nothing global. |
| 02:42.24 | scrooge | wait the config? |
| 02:42.32 | jcurry | suni, maybe, ~/.menu? |
| 02:42.46 | suni | what does kmenuedit use? |
| 02:42.54 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.59 | jcurry | or that |
| 02:42.59 | canllaith | apt: userguide |
| 02:43.00 | apt | hmm... userguide is http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng |
| 02:43.00 | thiago | kmenuedit uses the standard libraries |
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| 02:43.10 | canllaith | There is a section on menus in there |
| 02:43.17 | suni | canllaith, thanks ;) |
| 02:43.19 | scrooge | ~/.kde/share/config/kmenueditrc |
| 02:43.21 | jcurry | #kde has a bot? |
| 02:43.23 | scrooge | :S |
| 02:43.24 | thiago | the user-local menus are generally in ~/.kde/share/applnk, ~/.kde/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications |
| 02:43.32 | suni | i'll copy over the global config to there. |
| 02:43.33 | SadEagle | hmm. hello. not sure whether I should be here considering the last thing I said on -devel, but you never know.. |
| 02:43.45 | canllaith | http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/userguide-tng/kde-menu.html |
| 02:43.45 | jcurry | 'Conventions used in this book'...does that mean it will be published? |
| 02:44.23 | canllaith | SadEagle: then why are you here? :P |
| 02:44.36 | thiago | suni: don't copy the global over |
| 02:44.44 | suni | thiago, why not? |
| 02:44.47 | thiago | suni: erase the local and it'll revert to the global |
| 02:44.50 | SadEagle | canllaith: because jcurry made me think of poor helpless users. And because I should be doing schoolwork instead |
| 02:45.02 | thiago | suni: because everything in KDE is hierarchically merged |
| 02:45.05 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 02:45.06 | suni | ok |
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| 02:45.16 | canllaith | fair enough |
| 02:45.25 | thiago | you have many files with the same name in different paths. The entries in each are merged to form one single config file |
| 02:46.07 | X-The | canllaith: i did switch to another user and i continue with the same konq problem |
| 02:46.07 | suni | thiago, so what do i rm ? applnk? |
| 02:46.26 | thiago | suni: whatever is giving you problems |
| 02:46.32 | thiago | I recommend moving aside instead of removing |
| 02:46.32 | suni | urm. |
| 02:46.39 | suni | their is not menu :) |
| 02:46.49 | thiago | that sentence doesn't make sense |
| 02:46.52 | thiago | they who? |
| 02:46.53 | suni | i know |
| 02:46.54 | suni | hehe |
| 02:47.00 | X-The | thiago: in ur konqueror when u click to configure u get an empty window? |
| 02:47.08 | thiago | X-The: no |
| 02:47.14 | X-The | i get |
| 02:47.20 | X-The | and i updated yesterday cvs |
| 02:47.21 | suni | i wanted the user menu to fall back to the global one..it was a mess. |
| 02:47.27 | thiago | X-The: HEAD or branch? |
| 02:47.28 | Simkin | man |
| 02:47.32 | Simkin | kde has come SOO far in 1 year |
| 02:47.43 | thiago | Simkin: we have come so far in 7 years |
| 02:47.48 | scrooge | heh |
| 02:47.49 | X-The | thiago: again? already said yesterday 3_4_BRANCH |
| 02:47.49 | thiago | or is it 8 already? |
| 02:47.58 | thiago | X-The: I didn't memorise |
| 02:47.59 | suni | so in kmenuedit i deleted everything..i thought there would've been a "rebuild menu" default :) |
| 02:48.14 | canllaith | suni: ahhhhh |
| 02:48.15 | canllaith | in that cas |
| 02:48.17 | canllaith | case* |
| 02:48.25 | canllaith | mv ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu elsewhere |
| 02:48.30 | canllaith | then run kbuildsyscoca --noincremental |
| 02:48.39 | thiago | X-The: a lot has happened in 24 hours |
| 02:48.48 | X-The | hum |
| 02:48.57 | suni | canllaith, i have no ~/.config/menus :) |
| 02:49.11 | suni | i thought it would rebuild. |
| 02:49.14 | canllaith | then the first step is done do the second |
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| 02:49.26 | suni | k |
| 02:49.37 | canllaith | ah cvs fin - brb |
| 02:49.46 | scrooge | :S |
| 02:51.02 | bushwakko | where was that kdm kcontrol module again? |
| 02:51.11 | suni | still no menu |
| 02:51.14 | jetscreamer | is konstruct like garnome? |
| 02:51.26 | jetscreamer | aka something to compile kde for you? |
| 02:51.28 | Tpo1 | yeah |
| 02:51.32 | Tpo1 | so they tell me |
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| 02:52.39 | thiago | jetscreamer: yes |
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| 02:53.14 | notsio | why don't fixed fonts in konsole look right? |
| 02:53.16 | jetscreamer | thankee(s) |
| 02:53.52 | suni | does anyone know ho i can rebuild menu? |
| 02:54.09 | jcurry | oh god, here we go again |
| 02:54.17 | suni | ugh |
| 02:54.24 | suni | well, none of your suggestions work. |
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| 02:54.46 | suni | i could just create another user..startkde..copy that users menu over to this user. |
| 02:54.54 | gourdin | hi there |
| 02:55.17 | jcurry | suni, great idea...see how useful #kde is! |
| 02:55.18 | thiago | suni: kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 02:55.25 | jcurry | gourdin, 'lo |
| 02:55.36 | suni | i've done kbuildsyscoa like ten times. |
| 02:55.37 | gourdin | with kde 3.3.x (kgpg) it was possible to open .asc files in view mode only (enter the passphrase then show a viewer) |
| 02:55.47 | SadEagle | notsio: what do you mean by that? |
| 02:55.49 | SadEagle | annma! |
| 02:56.06 | gourdin | now I can only decrypt a file with kgpg which write the file on the disk, then open it with kwrite |
| 02:56.18 | gourdin | is the other way still available ? |
| 02:57.30 | suni | jcurry, well if i'm stupid enough to delete everything with kmenuedit. |
| 02:57.57 | gourdin | opening the file with kgpg -s show an empty editor |
| 02:57.58 | SadEagle | suni: hopefully you didn't do it when running as root? |
| 02:58.09 | suni | course not. |
| 02:58.33 | suni | jcurry, thiago, dare you to delete you menu's, then run kbuildsycoca --noincremental yourself. |
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| 02:59.30 | jcurry | woah, why are you dragging me into it?!?! |
| 02:59.47 | canllaith | suni: did you read the URL I sent you on how the KDE menus work? |
| 03:01.29 | SadEagle | suni: which KDE version are you using? |
| 03:01.37 | suni | canllaith, sorry. got distracted from people giving me suggestions that didn't work |
| 03:01.41 | suni | 3.4 |
| 03:01.48 | canllaith | oh god, how terrible. Did you ask for a refund? |
| 03:01.58 | X-The | yes, hi there |
| 03:01.58 | jcurry | lol |
| 03:02.04 | X-The | ups |
| 03:02.05 | suni | yes i did |
| 03:02.06 | X-The | worng window |
| 03:02.16 | suni | i expect it in AUD currency too. |
| 03:02.32 | canllaith | Sure. Here is -AUD $90 for my time :) |
| 03:02.40 | suni | ty |
| 03:02.41 | canllaith | ok |
| 03:02.50 | canllaith | so what distro are you using, and do you have $XDG_CONFIG_HOME set |
| 03:03.26 | canllaith | is ~/.config writable ? If you open up kmenu edit and then just use it to create a fake menu entry (Just add xterm or something) does it create your ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu ? |
| 03:04.26 | notsio | SadEagle, can't select a decent size. 8 and 9 are the same, which are too small, and 10 is too big! |
| 03:04.46 | SadEagle | notsio: sorry, can't comment on this particular issue. |
| 03:05.29 | canllaith | suni: you can try globally forcing regeneration by touch $KDEDIR/share/services/update_ksycoca |
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| 03:06.30 | suni | will that affect other users menus? |
| 03:06.49 | canllaith | define affect |
| 03:06.57 | SadEagle | canllaith: or he can answer your questions first <g> |
| 03:07.11 | canllaith | it will regenerate cached data |
| 03:07.11 | suni | erm..its only this user thats lost the menus. |
| 03:07.29 | canllaith | Yes, your point is? |
| 03:07.32 | canllaith | I thought you wanted to fix it |
| 03:07.42 | SadEagle | suni: the question on the distro, and having $XDG_CONFIG_HOME set are in particular relevant. |
| 03:08.03 | suni | something quicker than coping over another users settings? |
| 03:08.16 | canllaith | SadEagle: true, but why wait around for someone to answer ? If I leave a list in the channel window he can work through it and I can look back in 5 minutes to see what replies =p |
| 03:09.22 | suni | $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is not defined. |
| 03:09.57 | SadEagle | Dhraakellian: I wish it was nice enough for people not to want to kill KDE contributors on sight because of it :-) |
| 03:10.28 | canllaith | hahaha gosh that one does tend to make people angry. |
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| 03:11.11 | suni | :/ |
| 03:11.20 | Dhraakellian | it wouldn't be so bad if a) it could be smaller, b) it would say in the same narfing place when floating, and c) it atually worked |
| 03:11.49 | SadEagle | Dhraakellian: well, in 3.3, it used to clone itself randomly. needless to say, that wasn't very popular with people |
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| 03:12.58 | suni | when some runs startkde for the first time..how does it build the menu? |
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| 03:13.55 | SadEagle | suni: roughly, it uses the one from the global install. |
| 03:14.38 | suni | SadEagle, ok so in $KDEDIR/share?? |
| 03:14.43 | SadEagle | and, to revert to it, all you have to do is remove you local .menu file. Of course, you don't feel like answering the questions that help locate it, like the distro you are using |
| 03:15.00 | Dhraakellian | little things like actually graying out the statusbar icon when that account is offline |
| 03:15.09 | SadEagle | hi sarah03 |
| 03:15.16 | sarah03 | 'ello |
| 03:15.18 | sarah03 | :) |
| 03:15.52 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: um, it does. |
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| 03:16.11 | Dhraakellian | really? |
| 03:16.14 | canllaith | SadEagle: do you use suse or gentoo? I cannot remember (Just wondering) |
| 03:16.16 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: does here lol |
| 03:16.17 | Dhraakellian | it hasn't been doing it for me |
| 03:16.27 | suni | SadEagle, i'm on gentoo |
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| 03:16.43 | SadEagle | canllaith: Mandrake. though not their packages. But they mess up the menu badly, which is why I am insistent on the distro question |
| 03:16.49 | canllaith | ahhhh Mandrake, I see |
| 03:16.57 | canllaith | and yes :) They do, hence me asking it in the first place. |
| 03:17.18 | canllaith | SadEagle: I'm wondering you see, what a nice desktp distro is for not so advanced users. I'm tossing up between Mandrake with custom built KDE packages |
| 03:17.20 | canllaith | Or Suse |
| 03:17.49 | SadEagle | canllaith: I haven't used SuSE.. For Mandrake... Well, all I can say is that their tools are ultra-crude, but functional. |
| 03:18.02 | Dhraakellian | nope |
| 03:18.19 | Dhraakellian | still showing the statusbar icons as bright and colorful when I'm offline |
| 03:18.33 | SadEagle | suni: well, hmm, you could go to your home directory and type: find . -name '*.menu' |
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| 03:19.27 | canllaith | SadEagle: I have used Mandrake more than Suse. I think Mandrake has some really nice tools, like diskdrake |
| 03:19.35 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: just change where it inherit from? |
| 03:19.42 | suni | i just realised my confusion |
| 03:19.59 | canllaith | I use Slackware myself and I always will, but I like the idea of users being able to install small things themselves |
| 03:20.11 | Dhraakellian | actually, I think that both versions of crystal that I have here have nicer and brighter icons |
| 03:20.59 | r00tsh3ll | ZzzZzzZz... |
| 03:21.06 | suni | i was looking in .kde/share/config. |
| 03:21.09 | suni | sory |
| 03:21.26 | suni | *yawn* |
| 03:21.28 | suni | its the beer |
| 03:21.30 | suni | :D |
| 03:21.34 | canllaith | uhuh. |
| 03:22.34 | SadEagle | canllaith: well, I mostly use rpmdrake and urpmi... And my experience is mostly comparing to RHEL3 WS which I have at work.. That has very nice UIs in many things, but, say, the package manager is utterly useless |
| 03:22.42 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:22.55 | canllaith | I'd like something simple enough that users can run a gui tool and go right, I want to download and install... python. |
| 03:24.37 | canllaith | Anything more complex I'm going to be doing for them. |
| 03:24.45 | slayerbob | heh |
| 03:24.52 | canllaith | Yes, heh. |
| 03:25.28 | canllaith | One of them :) |
| 03:25.30 | slayerbob | i didn't break that much :P |
| 03:25.40 | canllaith | I wont move you away from Slack though it's too convenient when you can use my packages |
| 03:25.46 | canllaith | However, Russ is putting out feelers |
| 03:25.51 | canllaith | and I think Suse would be the best choice for him |
| 03:25.54 | slayerbob | i like slackware :) |
| 03:26.29 | kilrae | mmmm, slack |
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| 03:30.19 | slayerbob | dammit somehow novell.com has become convinced that i speak german :( |
| 03:31.56 | X-The | i have builded kde-3.4.0 for mandrake10.2 if anyone is interested check http://rpm.nyvalls.se/10.2/RPMS/ |
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| 03:44.17 | kilrae | oooh, smart cars get 70mpg |
| 03:44.51 | Dhraakellian | as opposed to getting 70 ogg theora? |
| 03:45.33 | kilrae | yes |
| 03:47.00 | Dhraakellian | read: I'm lazy and I don't want to go through the bother of reinstalling gentoo if I decide that I don't like the other distro |
| 03:47.21 | kilrae | get another hard drive |
| 03:48.13 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:48.24 | Dhraakellian | my dad just got a new 160GB HD |
| 03:48.44 | Dhraakellian | he said I could have the old 40GB HD if I want it |
| 03:49.11 | kilrae | so install the new distro on the newish hard drive and if you don't like it, just go back to the old install |
| 03:49.14 | Dhraakellian | since it was showing signs that it probably shouldn't be used for anything mission critical |
| 03:49.22 | kilrae | ah |
| 03:49.48 | kilrae | i'm running off a hard drive that fell 5 feet onto a hardwood floor |
| 03:50.02 | Dhraakellian | I could just go ahead and do that "one of these days" and use the extra space |
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| 03:50.56 | hitriko-sa | hey guys, i having trouble with my sound card... does anyone know how i can fix it, by the way i'm using fc3 |
| 03:51.10 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:51.40 | Dhraakellian | no one here knows how to fix your problem. You haven't given us enough detail to know. !) |
| 03:51.41 | hitriko-sa | http://pastebin.com/262392 thats the message i'm getting |
| 03:52.00 | hitriko-sa | well i'm a linux noob i will try to tell you as much as i know |
| 03:52.03 | Dhraakellian | ...I say as the person pastes the message |
| 03:52.36 | hitriko-sa | huh? |
| 03:53.10 | Dhraakellian | is this KDE-related, or would it be a question better asked in #distro? |
| 03:53.25 | Dhraakellian | (where "distro" is the name of your linux distribution) |
| 03:53.30 | hitriko-sa | k |
| 03:54.03 | Dhraakellian | everyone's a newb at some point |
| 03:54.35 | hitriko-sa | i know, but how did you guys fix these problems when you are a noob |
| 03:54.54 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:55.21 | slayerbob | when ? |
| 03:55.29 | Dhraakellian | in my newb days on linux, I was using a computer whose speakers and headphone jack were crappy enough that I just went with silence |
| 03:55.30 | slayerbob | what makes you think we still aren't noobs ? |
| 03:55.32 | slayerbob | :P |
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| 03:55.57 | Dhraakellian | slayerbob, well, in some areas, at least |
| 03:57.16 | kilrae | i am no longer a noob in kdm theme making |
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| 03:59.28 | sarah03 | hitriko-sa: Hm. (1) What's the sound card? (2) Have any drivers been loaded for it? |
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| 04:01.37 | hitriko-sa | sarah03: how do i find out what one it is?, care i type something into konsole and find out? |
| 04:01.38 | jesusfish | how does one start kompmgr? |
| 04:02.26 | chavo | jesusfish, hit alt-F2 and type kompmgr in the run box |
| 04:02.48 | jesusfish | chavo: what package I need to have installed to access it? |
| 04:02.58 | jesusfish | chavo: I'm not seeing it on my system |
| 04:03.06 | jesusfish | I have 3.4 though |
| 04:03.08 | chavo | jesusfish, it's in kdebase |
| 04:03.27 | chavo | hmm, what version of xorg? |
| 04:03.39 | sarah03 | hitriko-sa: If the soundcard is anything made in the last 3 or 4 years, 'cat /proc/pci' and look for a device mentioning something about being a "Multimedia Audio Controller". |
| 04:03.41 | jesusfish | 6.8.2 |
| 04:03.49 | jesusfish | I know I had it running beforwe |
| 04:03.52 | jesusfish | before* |
| 04:04.03 | jesusfish | well, it didn't work |
| 04:04.05 | chavo | jesusfish, did you build kde or get packages? |
| 04:04.12 | jesusfish | get |
| 04:04.13 | jesusfish | Debian |
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| 04:05.45 | xuesheng | debian has xorg? (sorry, I'm clueless ) |
| 04:05.57 | jetscreamer | not officially |
| 04:05.57 | jesusfish | xuesheng: Ubuntu does :) |
| 04:06.05 | jesusfish | xuesheng: and Debian can use their packages |
| 04:06.15 | xuesheng | ok |
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| 04:08.17 | jetscreamer | lol more like the other way around |
| 04:08.52 | jesusfish | jetscreamer: nope. I have stock Debian and only Ubuntu's xorg packages |
| 04:10.29 | jetscreamer | you missed the point... nothing important, i was just noticing it's funny, saying debian using ubuntu packages is like ironic |
| 04:10.36 | jesusfish | true |
| 04:11.13 | jesusfish | hmmm...wonder where kompmgr went then... |
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| 04:19.46 | jesusfish | darn...looks like they didn't compile it with the package |
| 04:31.47 | xuesheng | hum... is quanta running fine for anyone? (3.4.0) |
| 04:32.55 | sycofly | i was having project issues with it xuesheng |
| 04:33.09 | annma | xuesheng: what's happening? |
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| 04:33.25 | alex323 | how do i add applications ot the K menu? |
| 04:34.21 | chavo | alex323, right click the menu icon and click Menu Editor |
| 04:34.23 | xuesheng | annma: well, I just installed kde-3.4 and noticed quanta was missing. It is not made available by gentoo due to a fatal crash at startup. I was wondering if this is gentoo specific or not... seems like it is |
| 04:34.33 | annma | yes |
| 04:34.37 | alex323 | thank you chavo |
| 04:34.42 | chavo | sure |
| 04:34.50 | annma | quanta is fine here, kde compiled from sources |
| 04:34.52 | chavo | quanta works well, as always here. |
| 04:35.03 | annma | sycofly: what distro for you? |
| 04:35.15 | annma | chavo: distro? |
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| 04:35.46 | chavo | I run kubuntu now, but was running Mandrake, also built from source on both |
| 04:35.54 | sycofly | slackware |
| 04:36.59 | xuesheng | eventually once Pat decides to make -curret a bit more -current I'll go back to slack :p |
| 04:37.26 | xuesheng | seems unmaintained for now though.... (don't hit me!) |
| 04:38.29 | slayerbob | :P |
| 04:39.48 | xuesheng | slayerbob: maybe we should mail him and say: "hi guy! Breaking news! Kde-3.4 is out!" |
| 04:40.41 | kendrick | damn! |
| 04:40.44 | kendrick | not in Testing yet :) |
| 04:41.24 | slayerbob | but i already have kde 3.4 on slack 10.1 ... |
| 04:41.25 | xuesheng | maybe he's dropping kde support too? |
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| 04:41.51 | kendrick | is the slack guy better? |
| 04:41.59 | kendrick | he was, like, nasty sick for a while... went to the mayo clinic |
| 04:42.38 | xuesheng | well, he's back home so I guess he may be better. but who knows. it seems like some serious sickness he had/has .... |
| 04:43.12 | kendrick | yeah |
| 04:43.24 | kendrick | hopefully it will be good :^/ |
| 04:43.32 | kendrick | health problems suck |
| 04:43.38 | kendrick | i want to upload my brain into a robot at some point |
| 04:45.43 | Alethes | I think my brain in a robot body could possibly be dangerous |
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| 04:46.18 | Alethes | my physical limitations are probably what keep me from doing stupid things :) |
| 04:47.29 | kendrick | "hey baby... wanna kill all humans? |
| 04:47.34 | Alethes | haha |
| 04:47.52 | Alethes | if you're a robot, you wouldn't get sick, you'd just rust |
| 04:48.37 | kendrick | seen "Robots"? |
| 04:48.40 | Alethes | and people would be going to court about whether or not it was humane to remove your power source |
| 04:48.41 | Alethes | not yet |
| 04:48.59 | xuesheng | is that a new movie? |
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| 04:49.30 | kendrick | yeah |
| 04:49.33 | kendrick | it's pretty good :) |
| 04:49.56 | xuesheng | well.... give it 6 months to arrive in here :( |
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| 04:50.23 | kendrick | where you at? |
| 04:50.37 | kendrick | france? |
| 04:50.53 | xuesheng | not even |
| 04:50.56 | xuesheng | Martinique |
| 04:51.14 | kendrick | where's that? |
| 04:51.16 | xuesheng | that's a bit of france in the caribean |
| 04:51.22 | sycofly | hehe |
| 04:51.24 | kendrick | ah |
| 04:51.26 | kendrick | so... france |
| 04:51.26 | kendrick | ;) |
| 04:51.42 | xuesheng | yeah, but we get movies later :p |
| 04:52.17 | kendrick | heh, sucks |
| 04:52.24 | kendrick | okay, i need to stop getting distracted and get some work done |
| 04:52.26 | kendrick | cya! |
| 04:52.41 | sycofly | miss u |
| 04:54.35 | Alethes | awwww how sweet :) |
| 04:55.26 | annma | Martinique! |
| 04:55.32 | annma | cool |
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| 05:00.33 | xuesheng | annma: there are many cool aspects indeed, but the if you knew what we get to pay for crappy internet access, you'd cry :( |
| 05:01.10 | Alethes | or laugh at you :) |
| 05:01.16 | xuesheng | annma: 80¤ a month for 512/128 -- and I get to share that with my emule addicted little brother :p |
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| 05:01.38 | xuesheng | Alethes: laugh now |
| 05:01.46 | Alethes | har har :) |
| 05:01.52 | Alethes | at least you have broadband |
| 05:01.55 | Alethes | I'm in the middle of nowhere |
| 05:01.59 | Alethes | I have dialup |
| 05:02.08 | xuesheng | oh god... what country is that? |
| 05:02.36 | mark_ | Hey all. Any ideas why XFree86 would hang with 99% cpu when i try to login to KDE? |
| 05:03.11 | mark_ | Generally happens while it says "starting interprocess communication" |
| 05:04.00 | Alethes | xuesheng: I'm in canada, where people just a couple of miles away have cable and dsl available |
| 05:04.05 | Alethes | I'm just in a bad location |
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| 05:05.37 | xuesheng | in Metropolitan France, they have 20Mb/1MB for 29¤ -- that's unfair... and tha includes free phone calls... |
| 05:06.05 | annma | yeah but you have the sun |
| 05:06.16 | annma | not taht I am in France r |
| 05:06.58 | xuesheng | annma: I've had enough sun now, give me fast internet ... I'll take the snow. |
| 05:07.28 | annma | lol |
| 05:07.32 | Alethes | I couldn't be more sick of snow than I am right now |
| 05:07.34 | annma | no! |
| 05:07.39 | annma | snow is evil |
| 05:07.46 | Alethes | I wouldn't mind it if I didn't have to shovel it or drive in it |
| 05:07.53 | Alethes | but it sucks in those cases |
| 05:08.03 | xuesheng | what is 'shovel' ? |
| 05:08.34 | xuesheng | wait, I have a english dictionary there... |
| 05:08.40 | annma | pelleter |
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| 05:08.44 | annma | pelleter la neige |
| 05:09.00 | xuesheng | annma: hey, you speak français? |
| 05:09.01 | annma | et c'est pas marrant |
| 05:09.08 | annma | xuesheng: I am french |
| 05:09.31 | xuesheng | oh... it was 'note' not 'not' :p |
| 05:11.06 | xuesheng | oh yeah, you must be Anne-Marie Mahfouf :p silly me.... |
| 05:11.29 | xuesheng | I read your blog sometimes |
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| 05:13.49 | annma | :) |
| 05:13.54 | annma | that's me! |
| 05:14.03 | xuesheng | enchanté |
| 05:14.13 | annma | :) moi aussi |
| 05:15.31 | annma | Alethes: where in Canada are you? |
| 05:15.35 | Alethes | Ontario |
| 05:15.43 | Alethes | 3 hours north of Toronto |
| 05:15.47 | annma | and no adsl or cable in there/ |
| 05:16.08 | Alethes | yeah, there is for most people, but just not where I am :) |
| 05:16.11 | annma | near Montreal here |
| 05:16.34 | Alethes | I'm right by North Bay, ON |
| 05:16.44 | Alethes | I'm not crazy about this place :) |
| 05:16.52 | annma | ;) |
| 05:16.55 | Alethes | I'd like to move to Alberta, but I can't convince my wife to do it |
| 05:17.54 | Alethes | I'm gonna crash |
| 05:17.58 | Alethes | talk to you folks tomorrow |
| 05:18.01 | Alethes | adios :) |
| 05:18.13 | annma | bye! |
| 05:19.12 | xuesheng | see you |
| 05:20.20 | xuesheng | I really like Canada, or at least Montreal. I've been there twice when younger to visit an aunt of mine, and I was surprised how gentle people generaly are over there... Definitly a cool place to be :p |
| 05:20.44 | xuesheng | and their accent is the sexiest in the world ;) |
| 05:23.29 | Octane | i constantly get "the process for the media protocol died unexpedtedly" when i try to see an unmounted CD/DVD (that i just inserted) |
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| 05:26.12 | JROCK2004 | just upgrade to kde 3.4 and now when I try to load it I get failed to initalize kdeinit. Any ideas on what is going wrong here? |
| 05:28.47 | JROCK2004 | anyone? |
| 05:31.24 | annma | xuesheng: lol about accent |
| 05:31.36 | annma | JROCK2004: ow did you upgrade? |
| 05:31.53 | JROCK2004 | emerge KDE |
| 05:31.59 | JROCK2004 | gentoo user |
| 05:32.37 | JROCK2004 | I have been getting this error alot lately too::: evolution-2.0: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/evolution/2.0/libeutil.so.0) |
| 05:32.50 | Dhraakellian | hrm |
| 05:33.03 | JROCK2004 | I think this might have to do with it |
| 05:34.35 | annma | did you try a new user? |
| 05:35.06 | JROCK2004 | no |
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| 05:35.30 | JROCK2004 | kuser: /lib/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.3.3' not found (required by /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3) |
| 05:35.57 | annma | that's a newe user? |
| 05:36.14 | JROCK2004 | no |
| 05:36.23 | JROCK2004 | I will try to make user manual way |
| 05:36.47 | annma | yes |
| 05:36.57 | JROCK2004 | I do not have adduser command |
| 05:37.07 | annma | why not? |
| 05:37.16 | JROCK2004 | I do not knwo |
| 05:37.21 | annma | Gentoo is about to find your way, no |
| 05:38.01 | annma | try adding a new user whatever way |
| 05:38.07 | annma | and see what it does |
| 05:38.21 | annma | if it's also messed up, then your install is messed |
| 05:38.32 | annma | ask in #gentoo in that case |
| 05:41.50 | xuesheng | useradd |
| 05:46.26 | annma | he says he does not have that, xuesheng |
| 05:47.05 | Dhraakellian | wooo! netsplit! |
| 05:47.06 | annma | it's just another gentoo ricer anyway |
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| 05:48.50 | xuesheng | annma: we should have told him he needs to be root to add users :p |
| 05:49.02 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: are you trying those commands as root? |
| 05:49.16 | annma | gentoo users are always root, xuesheng |
| 05:49.37 | JROCK2004 | I got it |
| 05:49.41 | xuesheng | xuesheng: I'm a gentoo user, and I'm not always root :p |
| 05:49.45 | xuesheng | damn... |
| 05:50.15 | xuesheng | talking to myself |
| 05:50.33 | annma | xuesheng: sorry but I met some who were constantly root |
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| 05:51.50 | annma | xuesheng: did you emerge kde 3.4? |
| 05:52.03 | xuesheng | annma: of course :p |
| 05:52.13 | Dhraakellian | annma, just because I have a screen session open as root all the time doesn't mean that I'm running everything as root |
| 05:52.14 | annma | ;) monolithic? |
| 05:52.15 | Dhraakellian | !;P |
| 05:52.19 | xuesheng | annma: split |
| 05:53.19 | xuesheng | well, the monolithic ebuilds are doomed to disappear |
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| 05:53.36 | xuesheng | but anyway, I emerged kde-meta to get it all, and quanta is missing |
| 05:53.39 | JROCK2004 | nope that did not work |
| 05:54.09 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: ok, you do realise that not having those commads on your system is a sign of heavy breakage? |
| 05:54.13 | annma | JROCK2004: the new user is also messed? |
| 05:54.23 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: oh, you could had the user? |
| 05:54.47 | annma | JROCK2004: did your Gentoo install work before kde 3.4? |
| 05:55.15 | JROCK2004 | no I created the user |
| 05:55.27 | JROCK2004 | I still am getting errors |
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| 05:55.53 | JROCK2004 | yes my gentoo system worked. even with kde 3.4 but I did an emerge world and now kde is broken |
| 05:56.10 | annma | well so it cannot be kde fault, can it? |
| 05:56.20 | annma | if kde 3.4 worked before |
| 05:56.20 | JROCK2004 | I do not knwo |
| 05:56.27 | annma | you do know |
| 05:56.41 | annma | I have no idea what an emerge world is, JROCK2004 |
| 05:56.50 | annma | I never emerge the world |
| 05:57.00 | JROCK2004 | basically it updates the system |
| 05:57.12 | Dhraakellian | Out of curiosity, what do most KDE devs think of Gentoo's new policy of splitting the KDE ebuilds? |
| 05:57.13 | annma | so what did it upddate? |
| 05:57.21 | annma | they think it's shit |
| 05:57.29 | JROCK2004 | a bunch of stuff |
| 05:57.36 | JROCK2004 | glibc is one of them |
| 05:57.47 | annma | JROCK2004: well usually you update your system and then you compile kde |
| 05:57.52 | JROCK2004 | have not heard much complaints |
| 05:57.56 | annma | JROCK2004: recmpile kde!!!!! |
| 05:58.02 | annma | no? |
| 05:58.12 | annma | JROCK2004: this channel is full of gentoo users |
| 05:58.16 | annma | so well |
| 05:58.17 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: ok, you updated glibc, and this time with nptl and nptlonly useflag right? |
| 05:58.35 | Dhraakellian | ("five exclamation points, a sure sign of a deranged mind") |
| 05:58.58 | annma | Dhraakellian: what is bad is that Gentoo misleads people |
| 05:59.09 | annma | did I wrote 5 exaclamation points? |
| 05:59.12 | JROCK2004 | ok so reinstall glibc with flags nptl and nptlonly |
| 05:59.27 | annma | Dhraakellian: thanks for your judgement |
| 05:59.33 | JROCK2004 | then reinstall KDE gotcha |
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| 05:59.40 | Vermyndax | hey all |
| 05:59.41 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: no |
| 05:59.49 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: I was asking you a question |
| 06:00.03 | Dhraakellian | I can see both advantages and disadvantages of the split ebuilds |
| 06:00.07 | Vermyndax | a few days ago sarah03 told me how to stop the display resolution applet from loading on KDE login and I can't remember how to do it |
| 06:00.08 | JROCK2004 | oh ok |
| 06:00.15 | annma | Dhraakellian: the split ebuilds have bad dependencies it seems |
| 06:00.20 | annma | that's the problem |
| 06:00.28 | Dhraakellian | annma, but the idea itself? |
| 06:00.33 | annma | Gentoo is bad in management, see JROCK2004 here |
| 06:00.37 | annma | all distros split |
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| 06:00.43 | annma | but Gentoo is about compiling |
| 06:00.47 | annma | so what the hell? |
| 06:00.53 | annma | why split? |
| 06:00.58 | annma | users are lazy? |
| 06:01.12 | xuesheng | annma: some people like to emerge konqueror, kate, and they're set. |
| 06:01.15 | Dhraakellian | yes. yes, they are |
| 06:01.16 | annma | why is JROCK2004 allowed to emerge glibc and keep its kde? |
| 06:01.22 | annma | xuesheng: WRONG |
| 06:01.26 | annma | impossible |
| 06:01.35 | annma | very difficult to split kdebase |
| 06:01.46 | annma | kdepim also is difficult |
| 06:01.55 | JROCK2004 | xuesheng, yes I did |
| 06:01.58 | annma | lots of modules have at least 1 or 2 libs |
| 06:02.21 | annma | Dhraakellian: what JROCK2004 experiments right now is not acceptable |
| 06:02.29 | annma | from my point of view |
| 06:02.38 | JROCK2004 | what do you mean |
| 06:02.39 | Dhraakellian | I didn't say that user laziness was a good thing |
| 06:02.47 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: well, your apps want the old libpthread, which you have no more. 'revdep-rebuild' should take care of everything I guess. |
| 06:03.10 | JROCK2004 | nope tried that and it did not do it |
| 06:03.14 | annma | JROCK2004: that you emerge your world and it did not say you have to rebuild other packages that depends of the updated |
| 06:03.24 | Dhraakellian | (and I was mainly asking about dev opinions out of curiosity. I'm not interested in flames or distro-bashing at the moment.) |
| 06:03.33 | JROCK2004 | basically I should know that |
| 06:03.40 | annma | Dhraakellian: do you think that JROCK2004 problem is normal? |
| 06:03.57 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: well, switching to NPTL and uprading kde in the same shot is a little silly idea :p |
| 06:04.09 | Dhraakellian | I'm not exactly sure what his problem is, having come in in the middle of it |
| 06:04.09 | annma | so if the distro is OK and get all dependencies, split are OK |
| 06:04.13 | annma | yeah |
| 06:04.28 | annma | he updated glibc and others and now kde is broken |
| 06:04.45 | annma | he did not recompile kde after updating world |
| 06:04.49 | annma | emerging |
| 06:05.05 | annma | maybe he emrged but he is sinkink |
| 06:05.23 | annma | debian also spits |
| 06:05.31 | xuesheng | annma: Debian Spits |
| 06:05.35 | annma | lol |
| 06:05.36 | xuesheng | that's news :p |
| 06:05.38 | annma | nice typo |
| 06:05.41 | xuesheng | indeed |
| 06:05.54 | annma | it's 1 am |
| 06:06.03 | xuesheng | 2am here |
| 06:06.22 | annma | I have encoding problems, I hate that |
| 06:06.57 | JROCK2004 | do anyone of you guys know how to solve internet connection issues |
| 06:07.06 | kilrae | why is it so hard to find good targets to attack? |
| 06:08.23 | Dhraakellian | eep |
| 06:08.36 | Dhraakellian | how did it get to be 1:09? |
| 06:08.57 | xuesheng | annma: encoding problems? |
| 06:09.59 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: try to rebuild glibc, but this time, omit the 'nptlonly' useflag, so all those apps will have their libpthread back. |
| 06:10.38 | JROCK2004 | ok |
| 06:10.39 | annma | xuesheng: in an app I am coding |
| 06:10.52 | annma | I am lost with èéà |
| 06:10.56 | xuesheng | JROCK2004: but wait a few days to do so, glibc is currently broken :( |
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| 06:11.04 | JROCK2004 | ok |
| 06:11.26 | JROCK2004 | what is /sbin/dhcpd |
| 06:12.13 | Tpo1 | KDE info center is reporting my chipset as R200... I have an RV250, and I believe this is causing my graphics apps to crash |
| 06:12.44 | annma | hmmm |
| 06:12.45 | Tpo1 | not chipset, my radeon driver |
| 06:12.58 | annma | KDE info center just get that from the system |
| 06:12.59 | Tpo1 | gah, lemme google this more first |
| 06:13.09 | annma | kde info center does not set anything here |
| 06:13.13 | Vermyndax | can someone tell me how to prevent the display applet from loading everytime I login to KDE? |
| 06:13.15 | annma | it's from proc |
| 06:13.31 | Tpo1 | I am *trying* to make this "On-Topic" |
| 06:13.46 | Tpo1 | when the real problem has *nothing* to do with KDE :x |
| 06:14.26 | Tpo1 | glxinfo reports the wrong video driver |
| 06:14.57 | annma | ah |
| 06:15.03 | annma | there you go |
| 06:15.15 | annma | so the kde info center has nothing to do with it |
| 06:15.48 | Tpo1 | no |
| 06:15.54 | annma | :) good |
| 06:16.03 | annma | ou'd better google |
| 06:16.13 | Tpo1 | I had hoped that it was returning the wrong video driver, just like glxinfo was, but I was mistaken |
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| 06:19.05 | Tpo1 | actually, its just the mesa driver thats messed up |
| 06:22.37 | Hitriko-Sa | hey guys do you know i insall the offical bittorrent client i can't seem to find a file on how to do this... |
| 06:22.53 | Tpo1 | python setup.py install |
| 06:23.11 | Hitriko-Sa | thx |
| 06:23.11 | Tpo1 | g'luck getting PyOpengl installed :x |
| 06:23.32 | Tpo1 | <-- just used btdownloadcurses.py |
| 06:24.23 | Hitriko-Sa | Tpo1: i run setup.py? |
| 06:24.30 | Tpo1 | yessir |
| 06:25.05 | Hitriko-Sa | Tpo1: it open it in openoffice for some reason... |
| 06:25.06 | Tpo1 | eplumlee@alpa:~/BitTorrent-0.8.5$ python setup.py install |
| 06:25.38 | Tpo1 | you need to install it from the command line, methinks |
| 06:28.12 | Hitriko-Sa | Tpo!: i just tryed doing it from command line and it still open it in ofen office |
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| 06:29.43 | Tpo1 | what happens when you type: python -V |
| 06:30.12 | Hitriko-Sa | Python 2.4.1a0 |
| 06:30.19 | Hitriko-Sa | it gives me that message |
| 06:30.34 | Tpo1 | hmm... wonder what that .1a0 is about |
| 06:31.21 | Tpo1 | read the docs, you're doing something odd hmm |
| 06:32.25 | Tpo1 | you might have to do it out of KDE, in a pure console |
| 06:36.20 | sredna | A0 == 'first alpha' maybe? |
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| 06:37.23 | Tpo1 | ya |
| 06:37.29 | Tpo1 | maybe a Python CVS |
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| 06:37.56 | mark_ | Hi, I've recently found myself unable to login to KDE. I see part of the splash screen (no graphic, just the text "setting up interprocess communication") and then the system hangs. I can't switch to VTs, but if I ssh in from another machine I can see that XFree86 is consuming 99% CPU. Any ideas how I can diagnose / fix this problem? |
| 06:38.30 | Hitriko-Sa | i gtg, i will try tomorrow |
| 06:38.59 | sredna | mark_: Look at the output, KDM pr default puts it into ~/.xsession-errors |
| 06:39.27 | mark_ | sredna: OK I've done this and there is a bunch of suspicous stuff, but google got me nowhere. |
| 06:39.33 | mark_ | Let me look again and tell you. |
| 06:39.40 | sredna | mark_: If the error happens during session restorage, try disabling your session |
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| 06:44.27 | Flendor | Good morning. |
| 06:44.34 | slayerbob | allo |
| 06:44.49 | Flendor | Hey there slayer :) How's it going? |
| 06:44.53 | Flendor | How's Canny? |
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| 06:50.17 | rei_0000 | hi * |
| 06:50.54 | Flendor | :/ |
| 06:50.54 | marcusU | Ugh. SuSE 9.3 will use GCC 3.3.5 and not 3.4.x. WTF?! |
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| 06:51.32 | rei_0000 | I'm building kdegraphics, and I've a question about the dependancies for kpovray |
| 06:51.33 | what3 | u could always download the source and pkg it urself |
| 06:51.52 | what3 | heck u can even get gcc 4.1 now out of the cvs |
| 06:52.04 | marcusU | 4.0 isn't even official released yet. |
| 06:52.07 | what3 | so |
| 06:52.18 | rei_0000 | does kpovray need a copy of povray to run? |
| 06:52.35 | what3 | i don't think so |
| 06:53.05 | ahuman01 | How can I remove entries from right click open-with menu ? |
| 06:53.32 | rei_0000 | btw, what3, gcc 4.0 isn't a good idea. binaries are bloated by about 20% withit, since they haven't finished the optimizations for it. |
| 06:54.05 | what3 | thats why keep a stable version and a not stable version |
| 06:54.15 | rei_0000 | also, thanks for the info about kpovray :) |
| 06:54.16 | what3 | i have 4.1 tucked away in /usr/local/gcc-4.1 |
| 06:54.20 | rei_0000 | ah |
| 06:55.06 | marcusU | But 3.4.x compiles Qt and KDE much faster than 3.3.x |
| 06:55.17 | marcusU | Qt compiles in less than half the time. |
| 06:55.29 | physos | well, SuSE10 will come with 4.0 |
| 06:55.51 | what3 | i don't even rely on what my distro comes with, i usually compile whatever i need |
| 06:55.52 | marcusU | I think I'll just get 9.2 and swap out GCC 3.3.4 for 3.4.3 instead. No point in getting 9.3 |
| 06:56.28 | marcusU | I like to buy something on CD with at least the base functionality relatively modern so I don't have to spent 3 days downloading stuff. |
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| 06:57.30 | physos | marcusU: If I am not totaly mistaken, SuSEs 3.3 is more of an 3.3+1/2 |
| 06:58.38 | physos | marcusU: I think you have to test SuSEs 3.3 |
| 06:59.10 | Tpo1 | its down to 'how do I change my opengl renderer string' |
| 06:59.25 | marcusU | I don't know where to find out for sure. I don't have a fast internet connection, so it's not practical to download lots of distros. |
| 06:59.32 | physos | marcusU: if it really halfs the time to compile big parts of their distribution as you say, don't you think they would have used it to make their own lifes easier? |
| 07:00.11 | marcusU | physos: I do not know. I do know that GCC 3.3.1 took 27 minutes to compile the basic Qt libs, whereas 3.4.1 did it in 12 minutes. |
| 07:00.11 | what3 | yeah half the time does seem like a stretch for such a small update |
| 07:00.20 | physos | marcusU: or were there perheaps good reasons, like instabilties and errors with crucial packages preventign this? |
| 07:00.45 | marcusU | I haven't had problems with 3.4.x except with broken source code, which has mostly been fixed now. |
| 07:00.58 | marcusU | Some source code was invalid C++ that was previously accepted by GCC. |
| 07:01.28 | marcusU | 3.4.x uses an entirely new parser for C++ compared to 3.3.x |
| 07:01.35 | what3 | really |
| 07:01.44 | physos | marcusU: mostly. Sorry,, but I trust the SuSE guys with their compiler choice since generally the did much better choices than other dists. |
| 07:02.10 | ahuman01 | found it |
| 07:02.46 | marcusU | The main reason I use SuSE is because theirs was the only distro that didn't die during install (before i released that I needed to disable ACPI with the other distros) and beacuse of their X11 configurator. |
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| 07:05.06 | physos | Don#t want to brag, but being able to look at http://worldwide.kde.org/ to see where is night and where people might be awake sure is nice :) |
| 07:06.15 | marcusU | I don't know if that helps given that people have radically different sleep schedules. |
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| 07:09.03 | physos | marcusU: people still tend to be awake during daytime. |
| 07:09.12 | marcusU | Really? Even geeky people? |
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| 07:09.34 | mark_ | My KDE load problem had something to do with the NVIDIA driver |
| 07:09.40 | canllaith | physos: lol yep it's pretty nice |
| 07:09.41 | mark_ | switched to "nv" and I could login again. |
| 07:09.53 | marcusU | slayerbob: Which phenomenon? |
| 07:09.53 | canllaith | and it seems to be entertaining to look at the distribution of contributers |
| 07:09.54 | physos | canllaith: heya. |
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| 07:09.58 | canllaith | a dot here... a dot there... |
| 07:10.00 | canllaith | a few dots in the US.... |
| 07:10.10 | canllaith | then you get near germany and it's dots everywhere |
| 07:10.49 | physos | canllaith: on the Gnome map, Germany is almost black :) |
| 07:11.15 | slayerbob | marcusU: the phenomenon of people tending to be awake during the daytime :) |
| 07:11.25 | canllaith | really |
| 07:11.27 | marcusU | I typically wake up around 3 pm. |
| 07:12.14 | physos | slayerbob: I am really amazed at what times you guys are awake. |
| 07:12.23 | slayerbob | yeah i know |
| 07:12.27 | slayerbob | it shocks me sometimes too |
| 07:12.33 | slayerbob | i was awake at 6am today |
| 07:12.44 | marcusU | I work from 5:30-10pm typically. |
| 07:12.44 | slayerbob | i never even imagined that such times existed |
| 07:12.55 | physos | thats about 200px ago. |
| 07:13.21 | canllaith | lol we just don't have a sleep *pattern* as such |
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| 07:13.30 | canllaith | and it's really impossible to get Lauri at any time other than 3 in the morning here |
| 07:13.33 | physos | slayerbob: when I am busy I wake up at 6 automatically. |
| 07:13.38 | slayerbob | i have a sleep pattern - sometimes i sleep :P |
| 07:13.57 | slayerbob | physos: when i am busy i am not usually even in bed by 6am |
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| 07:15.12 | canllaith | man gnome is ugly |
| 07:15.20 | physos | slayerbob: I have no sleep pattern when I am busy, too. I did nightshifts at our accellerator for 5 years. Being awake 7:30 to 7:30 about twice a week, screws up your sleep pattern for life. |
| 07:15.50 | slayerbob | you have an accelerator ? :P |
| 07:15.57 | marcusU | Ambien! |
| 07:15.59 | slayerbob | what kind of experiments are you carrying out ? |
| 07:15.59 | physos | I just tend to wake up at 6-7am if I went to bed at 5 does not matter. |
| 07:17.22 | marcusU | I have a horrible time sleeping regardless. |
| 07:17.22 | physos | slayerbob: nuclear physics. |
| 07:17.22 | slayerbob | well obviously :P |
| 07:17.34 | hayden | does anyone use silverx cursors 3d? |
| 07:17.39 | sredna | physos: Hey, nice feature :) |
| 07:17.48 | marcusU | silverx? |
| 07:17.52 | physos | slayerbob: :) http://linaxa.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de/richter/s-dalinac/ |
| 07:18.23 | hayden | marcusU: Silver-XCursors-3D-0.4 |
| 07:18.36 | marcusU | hayden: Where does one obtain that? |
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| 07:18.39 | physos | Nice little 130MeV linear electron accelerator, superconducting, cooled with liquid Helium. |
| 07:18.45 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:18.55 | hayden | kde-look |
| 07:19.45 | physos | slayerbob: I was not there for the last 1.5 years though. I have to earn my money and finish my studies. |
| 07:19.55 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:20.16 | hayden | coz they r 3d cursors, i was wondering if it was possible to make the main arrow cursor spin all the time, instead of just being when its idle |
| 07:20.45 | marcusU | That would make me dizzy. |
| 07:20.55 | hayden | lol |
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| 07:21.07 | hayden | it looks good though, so it shouldn't |
| 07:21.08 | physos | slayerbob: It is not this interesting when you have worked with this one in big ;) (www.jlab.org) |
| 07:21.38 | marcusU | Hmmm. Where to buy Mandrake 10.1 online. I only see 10.0. |
| 07:21.51 | hayden | mandrake :S |
| 07:22.01 | marcusU | Someplace cheap. |
| 07:23.25 | physos | slayerbob: http://hallaweb.jlab.org/ worked on this one for 4 months. |
| 07:23.40 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:23.50 | slayerbob | we had much less flash equipment :( |
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| 07:24.45 | marcusU | ``Always use the farthest away mirror. It's good luck.'' |
| 07:24.47 | physos | http://www1.jlab.org/ul/jpix/med/HALA_155.jpg |
| 07:25.11 | ugenn | is 3.4 faster than 3.3? |
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| 07:26.57 | marcusU | ugenn: KDE 3.4? |
| 07:27.23 | ugenn | yeah. |
| 07:27.27 | canllaith | define faster. |
| 07:27.34 | marcusU | I can't tell. |
| 07:27.36 | ugenn | less slow. |
| 07:27.47 | canllaith | Runs about the same on my 500MHz and my 700MHz as 3.3 did *shrugs* |
| 07:27.50 | marcusU | I really haven't seen much difference. |
| 07:27.59 | canllaith | Obviously it flies on the 3200 no matter what =p |
| 07:28.02 | slayerbob | physos: looks like you get all the cool toys :P |
| 07:28.05 | ugenn | i'm on an old pentium :P |
| 07:28.08 | canllaith | but 'less slow' assumes that you think 3.3 is slow |
| 07:28.37 | ugenn | canllaith: it is for me. |
| 07:28.42 | marcusU | Everything is pretty sluggish on my dad's P-II @333. |
| 07:28.59 | canllaith | Runs ok on P II 350MHz/192MB for me |
| 07:29.04 | marcusU | I installed mplayer for him the other day. And it was pretty slow. |
| 07:29.10 | ugenn | marcusU: i'm not even on a pII. |
| 07:29.13 | canllaith | Assuming all I do is surf the web, chat on kopete and IRC |
| 07:29.28 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:29.28 | canllaith | ugenn: lol well dude of course it's going to be slow. Any modern software will be slow. |
| 07:29.35 | slayerbob | we should have tried compiling something on that p2 :P |
| 07:29.40 | slayerbob | something nice and big :P |
| 07:29.41 | ugenn | canllaith: opera is fast. |
| 07:29.42 | canllaith | slayerbob: I did. Don't even ask. |
| 07:29.46 | slayerbob | LOL |
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| 07:30.10 | ugenn | wish there's something like a KDE lite. |
| 07:30.15 | canllaith | a webbrowser is not quite the same thing as an entire DE |
| 07:30.40 | ugenn | opera > konqueror :P |
| 07:30.43 | canllaith | I find it depends what you run - of course, if you have 32MB ram then KDE is not going to perform so nice |
| 07:30.43 | marcusU | ugenn: There is. It's Qt. |
| 07:30.50 | physos | slayerbob: To be honest, thats the exact reason I went into nuclear physics. |
| 07:31.03 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:31.03 | canllaith | um yeah whatever. If you're gonna troll this isn't the place for it. |
| 07:31.03 | ugenn | marcusU: qt is a toolkit. |
| 07:31.52 | marcusU | I'm just saying that KDE apps are going to be a bit "heavier" than apps that only use Qt. |
| 07:31.57 | marcusU | Doesn't Opera just use Qt? |
| 07:32.34 | canllaith | I do all my KDE stuff on a 700MHz laptop - I only recently upgraded from a 500Mhz |
| 07:32.37 | ugenn | yeah. |
| 07:32.40 | canllaith | and Konqueror launches in less than a second on my 500 |
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| 07:32.55 | canllaith | Ok, so maybe it's possible to be faster than less than a second - but if so, I'm not going to notice or gare. |
| 07:32.58 | canllaith | care* |
| 07:33.15 | marcusU | Although I did notice when I played with a Mac that its apps launched pretty much instantly. |
| 07:33.26 | canllaith | I find OSX so amazingly heavy |
| 07:33.42 | physos | marcusU: They preload a lot, and try to load Garage Band ro Office next time. |
| 07:33.42 | canllaith | 1GHz machines with 512MB ram run like a dog (although, the new ones run pretty nice) |
| 07:33.59 | slayerbob | heh |
| 07:34.04 | ugenn | marcusU: KDE app load time seems to be sluggish no matter what kind of machine i'm on. |
| 07:34.14 | canllaith | ugenn: Then you have misconfigured your KDE |
| 07:34.22 | physos | marcusU: Photoshop takes about twice the time to open on a Mac here compare to a Win machine in the same league. |
| 07:34.39 | canllaith | Konqueror loads in 2 seconds on a pII, Kwrite in 2 seconds, KDevelop in 5. |
| 07:34.44 | marcusU | ugenn: Have you tired on something like an Athlon 2000+ or equivalent P4? |
| 07:35.03 | marcusU | If I have Konqi preload a few instances, it's pretty much instant. |
| 07:35.10 | canllaith | It takes 6 seconds to load the desktop from KDM *although* from startx it takes more like 18 |
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| 07:35.23 | canllaith | So if a pentium II will do that, I'm certainly not complaining about KDE performance |
| 07:35.35 | ugenn | marcusU: P4 2.4ghz 256mb ram. |
| 07:36.01 | marcusU | canllaith: startx takes quite a while to start KDE for me. |
| 07:36.10 | ugenn | still takes a few seconds even for mini apps like kalc and kwrite. even with prelink. |
| 07:36.23 | canllaith | ugenn: I have a Celeron 2.4GHz, so that's going to be inferior to your 2.4 P4 there |
| 07:36.28 | ugenn | canllaith: laptop |
| 07:36.29 | canllaith | ugenn: Everything loads in less than a second. |
| 07:36.34 | canllaith | I think you've misconfigured your KDE, badly. |
| 07:36.36 | bbarkley | hah, before you complain about KDE performance try Gnome |
| 07:36.42 | physos | well, I saw people complaining about the performance of any system they really use. MAc users complaining over MAc, Linux users complaining over whatever they use, Win users complaining ... I think you get the idea. This is getting ooooold. |
| 07:36.50 | canllaith | physos: lol yup. |
| 07:37.14 | slayerbob | it does seem to be a constant :P |
| 07:37.17 | physos | The grass on the other side is always greener. |
| 07:37.17 | canllaith | and then the next debate after 'KDE is so slow' is ..... |
| 07:37.21 | bbarkley | hmmm..people complain. so insightful |
| 07:37.21 | ugenn | canllaith: i have konqueror preloaded, all silly effects turned off, no extra services running, and prelinked. |
| 07:37.21 | canllaith | 'KDE is soooooo bloated' |
| 07:37.24 | canllaith | We haven't heard that one today |
| 07:37.37 | canllaith | ugenn: then how do you explain that your Konqueror loads slower on a 2.4GHz than it does on my 700MHz pIII ? |
| 07:38.09 | canllaith | and I have silly effects on my celeron 2.4. Transparency, drop shadows, you name it =p Still Konqi loads quickly (although add an extra second to draw the window with all the candy turned on) |
| 07:38.16 | ugenn | canllaith: i can't. but it's slow. |
| 07:38.33 | canllaith | I can only assume you have a misconfigured system. |
| 07:39.18 | ugenn | canllaith: i doubt it. pure X is lighting fast. so is QT/gtk only. |
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| 07:39.28 | physos | ugenn: well, DMA on on your HDD? no laptop with reduced speed because your laptops ACPI sucks? |
| 07:39.39 | bbarkley | ugenn: QT is lightning fast, gtk+ is another story |
| 07:39.52 | canllaith | ugenn: You're still not coming up with any explanations as to how my 500MHz and 700MHz performs twice as fast |
| 07:40.07 | physos | ugenn: 3.4 is loading fast here. on a meager 4200RPM mega slow disk. |
| 07:40.32 | canllaith | marcusU: No, KDE just preloads lots of stuff into memory if you let it and then it doesn't hit my slow laptop disk :P |
| 07:40.38 | canllaith | and Slackware is a very very fast distro. |
| 07:40.38 | ugenn | physos: yes, -q -X udma2 -A1 -c1 |
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| 07:40.57 | canllaith | It's set up very nice, very clean. |
| 07:41.08 | delltony | question the kde panel for some reason will not load after updating any way to reload it? |
| 07:41.14 | ugenn | physos: raw i/o speed is abt 20mb/s. |
| 07:41.19 | canllaith | delltony: can run 'kicker' |
| 07:41.25 | marcusU | My disks used to be considered fast. 2 of them are 10K RPM, but they're like 2gen only. |
| 07:41.27 | delltony | ok thanks let me try |
| 07:41.28 | physos | ugenn: well, was woth a guess ;) |
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| 07:41.52 | delltony | says kicker already running |
| 07:41.54 | marcusU | My 10K drives are 33Mb/s, and my 7200s are 12. |
| 07:41.54 | luci | hello |
| 07:42.07 | delltony | maybe i'm asking the wrong thing the taskbar doesn't work is what i'm trying to say |
| 07:42.07 | canllaith | Mine is only 14MB/s |
| 07:42.10 | canllaith | Heya luci :) |
| 07:42.10 | luci | where is sound server setting stored ? |
| 07:42.19 | canllaith | delltony: what do you mean by 'doesn't work' ? |
| 07:42.19 | delltony | no clock and no icons when i minimize |
| 07:42.19 | luci | from kcontrol |
| 07:42.25 | marcusU | My 7200 drives are from like 1998. |
| 07:42.31 | canllaith | dcop kicker kicker restart will make it reload |
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| 07:42.38 | canllaith | if it's that broken you might have to kill the pid though |
| 07:42.49 | luci | hi canllaith |
| 07:42.51 | delltony | was that for me? |
| 07:43.03 | canllaith | delltony: yesss.. |
| 07:43.13 | delltony | ok could you retype cause i don't undrstand you |
| 07:43.19 | delltony | you saying kill kicker? |
| 07:43.22 | canllaith | dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 07:43.32 | canllaith | is the command to make it reload, what you asked for. |
| 07:43.35 | luci | it started to freeze everytime i apply a change in kcontrol for soundserver settings |
| 07:43.38 | delltony | ok |
| 07:43.50 | delltony | thought you had someone in here named dcop and it was doing a bad autocomplete |
| 07:43.52 | canllaith | luci: um ~/.kde/share/config/artsrc and ~/.kde/share/config/knotifyrc I think |
| 07:44.01 | canllaith | delltony: No, I would be answering the question that you asked. |
| 07:44.16 | luci | hm |
| 07:44.24 | delltony | ok same issue |
| 07:44.35 | delltony | no clock or icons in taskbar |
| 07:44.47 | delltony | so pgrep kicker? |
| 07:45.01 | luci | no artsrc here |
| 07:45.35 | delltony | delltony@bubbabox:~$ dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 07:45.35 | delltony | call failed |
| 07:45.35 | delltony | delltony@bubbabox:~$ |
| 07:45.58 | luci | canllaith: when i choose other than arts in Sound server settings where is that choice stored ? |
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| 07:46.17 | canllaith | delltony: then you have to kill kicker. |
| 07:46.24 | delltony | i did |
| 07:46.29 | delltony | that was after i killed it |
| 07:46.37 | luci | i've enlightenment sound daemon previously set there and i want to change it |
| 07:46.53 | canllaith | luci: grep in ~/.kde/share for esd |
| 07:46.56 | luci | but it hangs when i try through the kcontrol |
| 07:47.07 | luci | canllaith: good idea |
| 07:47.14 | canllaith | delltony: try moving your kickerrc out of the way it's in $KDEHOME/share/config/kickerrc |
| 07:47.18 | canllaith | ($KDEHOME is usually ~/.kde) |
| 07:47.35 | delltony | move it where? |
| 07:47.38 | canllaith | anyway |
| 07:47.42 | canllaith | anywhere* |
| 07:48.42 | luci | canllaith: only found ./config/knotifyrc:2:External player=esdplay but that's set to false |
| 07:49.06 | canllaith | Perhaps it might be a good idea to move your knotifyrc out of the way to see if that stops kcontrol locking |
| 07:49.07 | delltony | ok now what? |
| 07:49.12 | canllaith | delltony: try to restart kicker |
| 07:49.20 | delltony | dcop kicker kicker restart right? |
| 07:49.55 | _jb | http://tcmonline.co.uk/month/steve-mcqueen.jsp |
| 07:50.03 | delltony | aww there it goes |
| 07:50.06 | delltony | thanks man |
| 07:50.14 | delltony | any idea what causes that |
| 07:50.20 | luci | a mystery for me |
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| 07:52.19 | delltony | canllaith, thanks gain |
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| 07:52.21 | delltony | again* |
| 07:53.35 | luci | canllaith: well, the sound system is disabled now but when i move the knotifyrc back it is still disabled, so i had to disable it somewhat during the hang |
| 07:53.52 | luci | not by moving the knotifyrc |
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| 07:56.17 | marcusU | _jb: What? |
| 07:56.44 | luci | thanks for ideas, have to work now |
| 07:56.47 | luci | c u later |
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| 08:00.00 | delltony | anyone besides me noticed that if you right click the kmenu and hit edit menu it doesn't bring up menu editor but if you open the menu and then right click and hit add menu item it works fine? |
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| 08:01.03 | delltony | as in right click the gear icon and hit edit menu (nothing happens) but open the menu and right click and hit edit menu then and only then does the menu editor come up |
| 08:01.40 | xuesheng | not here |
| 08:01.47 | xuesheng | it works as expected |
| 08:02.07 | delltony | if you right click and hit menu editor? |
| 08:02.13 | delltony | on the gear? |
| 08:02.23 | xuesheng | yes |
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| 08:02.30 | delltony | strange |
| 08:02.50 | xuesheng | and if you right click on a specific menu entry, it opens the menu editor with focus on that peculiar menu item |
| 08:02.57 | delltony | that works |
| 08:03.00 | delltony | the other doesn't |
| 08:03.02 | xuesheng | what version of kde are you running ? |
| 08:03.07 | delltony | 3.4 |
| 08:04.21 | delltony | anyway i'm going to bed its 3am |
| 08:04.49 | MrPingouin | good night |
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| 08:11.06 | sarah03 | eep! |
| 08:11.31 | jetscreamer | any 3.4 .debs ? |
| 08:13.53 | what3 | did u check the experimental repository? |
| 08:13.59 | what3 | with apt |
| 08:14.17 | what3 | i know its not in sid, but experimental might have it |
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| 08:16.36 | xuesheng | there's a repository with the 3.4 debs |
| 08:17.32 | xuesheng | google : "KDE 3.4 debs" |
| 08:17.46 | xuesheng | pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ |
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| 08:17.56 | luci | re |
| 08:18.23 | luci | how can i check what's using my /dev/dsp ? |
| 08:20.08 | Tpo1 | why would you want to? |
| 08:20.15 | Alkis | luci: try fuser /dev/dsp |
| 08:20.19 | Tpo1 | arts is probly using it |
| 08:20.25 | luci | thanks Alk |
| 08:20.51 | Alkis | luci: No prob |
| 08:20.55 | jetscreamer | ah thankee |
| 08:21.05 | what3 | yeah if u need an app that doesnt use arts just wrap it with artsdsp |
| 08:21.19 | luci | Alkis: no echo |
| 08:21.32 | luci | :( |
| 08:21.36 | Alkis | luci: Huh? |
| 08:21.46 | luci | Alkis: but it plays now |
| 08:21.56 | luci | Alkis: it printed nothing |
| 08:22.20 | sarah03 | luci: Are you using OSS or ALSA for sound card drivers? |
| 08:22.34 | sarah03 | If you're using ALSA, try fuser /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p instead. |
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| 08:23.12 | luci | soundwrapper esdplay from Psi, xine engine in Amarok... arts hangs |
| 08:23.50 | Tpo1 | are you a member of 'audio' group? |
| 08:23.54 | luci | sarah03: it printed out: /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p: 4101m |
| 08:24.02 | luci | Tpo1: yes, i'm |
| 08:24.08 | sarah03 | *nod* 'ps 4101' will tell you what's using it. |
| 08:24.38 | Tpo1 | cute trick |
| 08:24.49 | luci | sarah03: thanks, it printed 4101 ? Sl 0:03 amarokapp |
| 08:25.58 | sarah03 | Ah. So it looks like amarok is running directly against the sound card - probably the xine engine. And your sound card doesn't do mixing of PCM streams in hardware. |
| 08:26.16 | luci | it told me it used gst-engine instead |
| 08:26.24 | luci | xine couldn't be loaded :p |
| 08:27.42 | luci | heh, i can't stop the stream in amarok now :-p |
| 08:27.44 | sarah03 | Hm. GStreamer probably also directly operates on the sound card. If you don't have a card that supports mixing in hardware, you either get to play with dmix or use aRts. |
| 08:28.01 | luci | what'Ä‘ dmix ? |
| 08:28.07 | luci | *what's |
| 08:29.13 | sarah03 | If I'm not mistaken [I've never used it because I've had a soundcard that does mixing in hardware for ages now] dmix is a kernel driver that mixes multiple PCM streams into one before shipping it off to the sound card. |
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| 08:30.06 | xuesheng | or use arts for everything :P |
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| 08:35.02 | luci | in kcontrol Sound server setting hangs. "soundwrapper artsplay" doesn't work. i need to use sound for two user sessions at once. in Psi command "soundwrapper esdplay" does work, but it can't be used for amaroK, etc. |
| 08:35.52 | luci | any idea what's sound player command for gstreamer ? |
| 08:36.47 | luci | gst-launch ? |
| 08:37.07 | xuesheng | yes |
| 08:37.18 | xuesheng | see the amarok faq for an example |
| 08:37.21 | xuesheng | http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/FAQ#I_can.27t_get_any_media_to_play_in_amaroK.2C_why_not.3F |
| 08:37.30 | luci | thanks xuesheng |
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| 08:43.27 | xuesheng | Can anyone using 3.4 check if gentoo.org displays properly with konqi? |
| 08:45.16 | sredna | xuesheng: Moment |
| 08:45.51 | sredna | xuesheng: Seems to work fine |
| 08:46.13 | sredna | xuesheng: And it didn't change really, I look at it often |
| 08:46.34 | xuesheng | ok nevermind, I just reloaded the page and it was fine again.... |
| 08:46.51 | xuesheng | hell, it's messed up again... |
| 08:47.24 | xuesheng | the purple div on the right (with the ads) is way too large |
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| 08:49.04 | sredna | I wonder if the new design will ever be launched (the one from the competition) |
| 08:49.08 | btb | gentoo looks fine here to in 3.4 |
| 08:49.45 | xuesheng | does it show a paypal icon on the top-right ? |
| 08:50.56 | xuesheng | the paypal icon fails to load here, so konqi displays the alt text, which enlarges the div by at least 300%... anyway :P |
| 08:51.43 | btb | hmm, no paypal icon here |
| 08:52.00 | btb | didn't know it should be there |
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| 08:53.36 | luci | any ogg file for test ? none here now and mp3 doesn't work with gst-launch |
| 08:53.55 | luci | neither does wav :( |
| 08:54.18 | xuesheng | did you run 'gst-register' ? |
| 08:54.29 | xuesheng | and do you have gst-plugins installed? |
| 08:54.41 | luci | yeah, before. tryied google to find ogg file but didn't found any |
| 08:55.43 | xuesheng | plenty of oggs in /usr/kde/3.4/share/sounds/ -- you KDE instalation directory may vary |
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| 08:56.15 | luci | no package gst-plugins available with urpmi here :( |
| 08:56.32 | luci | xuesheng: i'm sorry, no KDE 3.4 yet |
| 08:56.50 | xuesheng | luci: anyway, $KDE_HOME/share/sounds |
| 08:56.50 | luci | 3.2.3 |
| 08:57.08 | xuesheng | maybe /opt/kde ? |
| 08:57.41 | btb | kde-config --prefix ? |
| 08:57.46 | luci | there's no ogg only wav |
| 08:57.52 | xuesheng | what does gst-register say? does it find any plugins? |
| 08:58.09 | luci | yeah, some |
| 08:58.28 | luci | but seems none for mp3 or wav |
| 08:58.57 | xuesheng | which distro? |
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| 09:00.30 | luci | xuesheng: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vW7Ra997.html |
| 09:00.35 | luci | xuesheng: mandrake 10.1 |
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| 09:01.32 | luci | xuesheng: then i ran gst-launch filesrc location=./today.mp3 ! spider ! audioscale ! audioconvert ! osssink |
| 09:01.38 | shastry | hi all |
| 09:01.50 | shastry | does prelink really improve the kde apps performance ? |
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| 09:02.19 | luci | xuesheng: it says theres no element to serve type mime audio/mpeg |
| 09:02.23 | xuesheng | prelink is for ricers :P |
| 09:02.42 | shastry | xuesheng, well.. i could understand if i know what ricers is |
| 09:02.56 | xuesheng | shastry: nvm |
| 09:03.00 | shastry | anyway, i just want kde apps to load fast (like in kde) on my non kde environment |
| 09:03.20 | shastry | can something be preloaded or something ? |
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| 09:03.23 | Madkiss | hi all |
| 09:03.34 | xuesheng | shastry: one way, I think, is to start kdeinit with your non-kde env |
| 09:03.38 | Madkiss | What can I use to have KDE display the state of my iBook battery? |
| 09:03.42 | shastry | hehe |
| 09:03.50 | shastry | xuesheng, hmm... ok |
| 09:04.47 | xuesheng | Madkiss: I think klaptop only supports ACPI, ibooks use PMU... |
| 09:04.57 | luci | shastry: check out at the bottom of http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Performance+Tips |
| 09:04.58 | sarah03 | ... prelink makes things like KDE [which loads all manner of shared libraries] faster by basically shuffling around the load addresses of all of the shared libraries and adding precomputed fixup tables. |
| 09:05.06 | Madkiss | xuesheng: That is indeed correct |
| 09:05.22 | shastry | sarah03, is that good or bad ? |
| 09:05.29 | sarah03 | At which point, the dynamic linker doesn't have to do a lot of work because it's work is already done. |
| 09:05.52 | sarah03 | It assists launch times, not necessarily application performance once it's running. |
| 09:05.56 | shastry | and whats this kbuildsyskoka or something ? |
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| 09:06.40 | sredna | Kbuildsycoca creates a database of parts of your configuration data |
| 09:06.53 | shastry | oh |
| 09:06.54 | sredna | Like file associations, K menu etc |
| 09:06.58 | xuesheng | Madkiss: just out of curiosity since Im using a ibook myself, what distro are you running? |
| 09:07.27 | sredna | shastry: 'Kde Build System Configuraion Cache' |
| 09:07.34 | sredna | Ksycoca |
| 09:07.42 | sredna | Build |
| 09:07.44 | shastry | oh ok |
| 09:09.03 | luci | xuesheng: urpmi says packages gstreamer-plugins and libgstreamer-plugins0.8 already installed :-/ |
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| 09:10.44 | xuesheng | luci: sorry I don't know how to help... :( |
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| 09:11.52 | luci | xuesheng: np, thank you anyway |
| 09:12.10 | luci | xuesheng: trying installing some more alsa packages |
| 09:12.39 | xuesheng | luci: I think you're missing gstreamer plugins, notably the 'mad' one, which may not ship with mandrake. |
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| 09:20.01 | luci | xuesheng: probably you're right. mandrake gonna redhat way :( but still i wonder the're not on plf-nonfree (i have it in my media sources) |
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| 09:24.05 | alexissoft | hi |
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| 09:33.14 | sredna | Did anyone try acrobat reader 7 on linux yet? |
| 09:33.52 | ponto | sredna: yes |
| 09:34.16 | sredna | ponto: So, do you like it? Is is better than kpdf? |
| 09:34.54 | Madkiss | xuesheng: Debian. |
| 09:35.21 | Madkiss | xuesheng: There aren't that many alternatives, really. YDL, but ... I am madkiss@debian.org, so there was not really a question for me in that |
| 09:35.47 | eros | sredna: I think no (uability wise). but if once in a year you want to fill a pdf form then you will use acroread. |
| 09:35.57 | physos | sredna: big (135MB no doc loaded), ugly (GTK wrapper around adobes own toolkit) and with advertising embedded. |
| 09:35.57 | eros | sredna: of course I'm a little 'biased' :-P |
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| 09:36.09 | ponto | sredna: the currently available version is not the final one according to adobe. it's a little bit to slow right now. |
| 09:36.32 | eros | sredna: and you can't immagine how kpdf is evolving now.. |
| 09:36.45 | sredna | Sounds bad. I think I'll advocate for form support in kpdf instead :) |
| 09:37.04 | eros | sredna: won't come early |
| 09:37.05 | physos | sredna: kdpf is slower (xpdf _is_ going to improve) but not much, and I like the ability to comment and annotate. |
| 09:37.13 | sredna | eros: Well, I'm using cvs HEAD so I can (allthough kdegraphics is not my most often updated module) |
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| 09:37.40 | sredna | I hope the work for making xpdf a library will succeed |
| 09:37.42 | eros | sredna: you aren't using kpdf_annotations branch :-) |
| 09:37.46 | sadsfae | anyone know if slackware 10.0 packages will be available in /contrib? i see slackware 10.1 packages in there, but they are probably compiled against a different glibc |
| 09:37.49 | physos | eros: any chanve for annotation/comments? |
| 09:38.00 | sredna | eros: He, no, I'm not :) |
| 09:38.11 | physos | eros: ok, I was to slow in reading ;) |
| 09:38.12 | eros | physos: chanve -> cnahce |
| 09:38.15 | eros | chance ? |
| 09:38.24 | physos | eros: Jup |
| 09:38.26 | xuesheng | Madkiss: I have a pretty stupid question about debianppc.... Last time I tried it, installing unstable, the latest kernel proposed to me was 2.6.8 -- what's up with that? is it a patched 2.6.8 to incorporate security fixes since then? |
| 09:38.40 | eros | physos: here we are: pdf annotations are parsed (1.6 spec :-) |
| 09:38.57 | eros | physos: I'm implementing renderer/creator but it is going to come soon |
| 09:39.11 | physos | heh, nice to hear. |
| 09:39.22 | physos | kpdf sure is came a long way. |
| 09:39.57 | eros | physos: btw: 1-importing: all done. 2-saving/merging/restoring all done. 3-renderer: 5% done |
| 09:40.13 | eros | physos: and internal creator (tools for adding annotations): 50% done |
| 09:40.47 | eros | physos: look st that: http://www.dei.unipd.it/~rosenric/kpdf-iface.png |
| 09:41.09 | sredna | eros: What are the perspective on form support? Here in denmark, gouvernment and local authorities tends to let us fill in pdf forms, and sign them with our public digital signature |
| 09:41.38 | eros | physos: apart the red lines I made (for the icons contest making).. the 2 'big books' are 'Stamp-Annotations'.. :-) |
| 09:41.39 | sadsfae | anyone know if ananke's kde 3.4 packages are compiled for 10.0 or 10.1? |
| 09:41.45 | sadsfae | mt |
| 09:42.26 | eros | sredna: don't know. I have no plans yet to code that. and it's me to code such type of feats in kpdf. |
| 09:43.25 | eros | sredna: I hope somebody will show up. my plans are a full annotations support now (that will give you the ability to real modify the pages as they have tools and pages were printed) |
| 09:43.26 | sredna | eros: I guess you have priorities :) |
| 09:44.04 | eros | sredna: sure. it might take 6 months for a decent forms support (and it's a hell, just read the pdf1.6 specifications if you can) |
| 09:44.51 | eros | sredna: I can get annotations done in 1 month and start using them over the 130+ ebooks I'm waiting to read .. |
| 09:45.21 | sredna | eros: Annotations will be greatly appreciated by many I'm sure :) |
| 09:46.09 | eros | sredna: by you too! :-) If I can make them easy to use you will be higlighting every pdf!.. |
| 09:46.39 | eros | sredna: it's fantastic to come back to a pdf you watched months ago and find out highlighted parts, your old notes, etc.. |
| 09:47.11 | sredna | eros: Absolutely, I have pdf manuals for many things that I'd like to annotate (for example for me work as a sports coach/trainer) |
| 09:47.45 | eros | sredna: good.. going to implement them so. have a nice day ^_^ |
| 09:47.56 | sredna | U too :) |
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| 09:48.08 | eros | physos: if you have gui suggestions over the screenshot I pointed you, please tell me! |
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| 09:55.39 | physos | eros: sorry, I am cleaning up my office away from keyboard, so I am slow to anwser. |
| 09:55.52 | eros | :) |
| 09:55.55 | TMM | hey all |
| 09:57.47 | TMM | question probably asked to death, but is there an adblock like thing for konqueror? the popup blocker is good :) but I really want to kill those damn talking banners :) |
| 09:57.58 | TMM | firefox isn't really an option... bloated slow thing :) |
| 09:58.05 | TMM | although adblock's really nice :) |
| 09:58.07 | physos | eros: Looks nice. ther are two things I miss from my usage pattern. a button to zoom full width or height. and having a hand instead of a mouse for normal mode. Somhow I can not get the mous associated with the function in my brain. I search it everytime. |
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| 09:58.44 | TMM | maybe I should just go to less porn sites :P |
| 09:59.02 | eros | physos: thanks for suggestions |
| 09:59.13 | physos | eros: feel free to differ ;) |
| 09:59.45 | physos | I zoom full width and height pretty often and having to scroll up all the zoom menu takes some time. |
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| 10:15.57 | dagur | Does KDE have "sticky keys"? |
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| 10:16.47 | physos | dagur: 3.4 has. |
| 10:17.49 | dagur | I'm using 3.3, I asked because on ocation when I'm changing a song in amarok (win + b), it continues to spit out "b"'s indefenently. |
| 10:18.29 | dagur | I manage to stop it by hammering on ctrl alt buttons, but spitting 100 b's into amarok causes it to go amok |
| 10:19.20 | dagur | anyone had that problem? :) |
| 10:20.06 | physos | dagur: using vnc? |
| 10:20.22 | physos | dagur: I only had this in VNC. |
| 10:20.23 | dagur | no |
| 10:20.35 | physos | dagur: and the B will not be sticky. |
| 10:20.41 | physos | dagur: only the Alt |
| 10:22.19 | physos | dagur: either a hardware problem, or some X error. I saw people having problems with their Win keys. |
| 10:23.06 | dagur | ok, thank you. |
| 10:24.14 | dagur | I'll find a reason to blame it on lousy ATI drivers then ;) |
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| 10:28.40 | physos | dagur: mmmh, ATI and keyboard? |
| 10:31.02 | dagur | physos: Doesn't have to make sence, not going to look for the cause of the problem. |
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| 10:35.09 | terra1 | hey guys |
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| 10:35.42 | terra1 | does anyone have an idea: every time I try to start KDE 3.4 it hangs at the splash-screen at the second point without any error message. it just goes on blinking |
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| 10:37.18 | _poison | terra1: nvidia ? |
| 10:38.20 | _poison | terra1: uhm ... on second though ...switch to tty1 and look for error messages ... |
| 10:41.13 | terra1 | _poison, yes nvidia |
| 10:41.25 | terra1 | i startetd it via startx and didn't get any unregular messages |
| 10:41.44 | terra1 | (neither as a X window nor in tty) |
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| 10:45.15 | Madkiss | xuesheng: That is correct, if you want something more recent, you gotta build 2.6.11.5 yourself. That's not hard, tho. Ask me about that in 5-6 hours, I can guide you. |
| 10:46.08 | _poison | terra1: do you have the latest nvidia driver installed (1.0-7167) |
| 10:46.41 | _poison | terra1: if so ... try 1.0-6629 ... |
| 10:46.49 | terra1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.51 | Alkis | where do you specify the options (i.e. allow access to normal users) for removable media (usb memory)? |
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| 10:47.05 | terra1 | but _poison i got two distributions |
| 10:47.11 | terra1 | slackware twice |
| 10:47.12 | terra1 | ;) |
| 10:47.20 | terra1 | on the first everything is running with it, on the second not |
| 10:47.26 | terra1 | both kde 3.4 and latest nvidia |
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| 10:48.02 | _poison | terra1: I only got current ... and 1.0-7167 crashes my system .... with linux 2.4.29 and 2.6.11.* |
| 10:49.19 | _poison | terra1: on two boxes running slackware current with two differnt cards ... I forgot to mention =/ |
| 10:49.35 | terra1 | hmm.. strange ;) |
| 10:49.40 | terra1 | well doesn't matter for the first... |
| 10:49.44 | terra1 | iam gonna find some solution :D |
| 10:49.47 | terra1 | at least gnome |
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| 10:50.15 | _poison | terra1: i think it crashes as soon as an app requests compmgr ... |
| 10:51.11 | _poison | terra1: i could log into kde but as soon as i started for example konqeror the whole graphics system crashed .... not even a usable tty output anymore ... |
| 10:51.21 | terra1 | lol... |
| 10:51.39 | _poison | terra1: sshing was still possible ... |
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| 10:52.02 | _poison | terra1: 1.0-7167 is a bad thing ... |
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| 10:52.35 | kde_101 | question: how do you compile qt-x11-opensource-4.0.0-b1/src/core/tools ? |
| 10:52.45 | terra1 | well on my one partitition it even runs composite perfetctly |
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| 10:53.36 | kde_101 | can someone help me out? |
| 10:53.39 | _poison | terra1: strange =/ .... |
| 10:54.09 | terra1 | yes ;) |
| 10:54.35 | kde_101 | im trying to compile qt-core |
| 10:56.21 | terra1 | somehow many things are stragne :D |
| 10:56.27 | terra1 | eG that desktop-database thing in gnome |
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| 11:00.00 | _poison | I don't use gnome ... it's too slow on my box =/ |
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| 11:01.55 | terra1 | well it was the same problem here |
| 11:02.01 | terra1 | but 2.10 self-compiled is ok |
| 11:02.44 | _poison | terra1: you compiled that thing yourself ? that must have been painful *g* |
| 11:03.12 | terra1 | yes ;) it was |
| 11:03.24 | terra1 | it took more time to do the ./configure stuff than to compile |
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| 11:08.43 | terra1 | ahhh iam gonna kill gnome :D |
| 11:08.52 | terra1 | brb |
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| 11:21.09 | pinheiro | nead some help with the kde 3.4 |
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| 11:22.08 | pinheiro | how can i set the tranparency of a certain type of window to 0 |
| 11:22.29 | pinheiro | this is kinda of a 3.4 bug |
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| 11:24.01 | pinheiro | it is that certain types of windows that already make use of tranparency dont nead to use another layer of alfa via kompgr |
| 11:24.23 | canllaith | Easily through window specific settings |
| 11:24.38 | pinheiro | i tried |
| 11:24.52 | pinheiro | but dont get how to do that |
| 11:25.09 | pinheiro | do i nead to type a specific comand |
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| 11:26.08 | pinheiro | i dont sea there any kompmgr options |
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| 11:57.22 | pinheiro | does any one know how to disable kompmgr for a specific kinda of window? |
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| 11:58.52 | FrostByte | I am taking the plunge in to KDE 3.4 |
| 11:59.02 | FrostByte | but it appears I have a lot of deps issues |
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| 11:59.12 | amundsen | hi |
| 11:59.22 | FrostByte | can I have kdelibs 3.3 and kdelibs 3.4 installed at the same time? |
| 11:59.24 | amundsen | which is the default mp3,ogg player in kde ? |
| 11:59.47 | FrostByte | amundsen: it seems to change from release to release, but I think currently its amrok |
| 12:00.00 | amundsen | FrostByte: thx |
| 12:00.07 | FrostByte | np |
| 12:01.20 | amundsen | FrostByte: ksirc is the default irc client ? |
| 12:01.39 | FrostByte | amundsen: I am not sure |
| 12:01.43 | FrostByte | I use konversation |
| 12:02.28 | amundsen | FrostByte: do you know how to enable google search bar in kde 3.3.2 ? |
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| 12:02.43 | FrostByte | for Konq? |
| 12:02.59 | matt_ | can somebody help me please, i lost the minimise and close buttons on the title bars |
| 12:03.45 | amundsen | FrostByte: yes, for konqueror |
| 12:04.22 | FrostByte | right click anywhere on the tool bar and enable it |
| 12:05.27 | matt_ | i cant seem to see anything related to it |
| 12:05.52 | matt_ | config window behavior ? |
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| 12:37.33 | Darkvater | can anyone tell me where I can find the screensaver files if you logged into KDE as root? I always have some screensaver pop up with opengl tiles but I have never set it |
| 12:37.46 | Darkvater | except once when I logged into kde as root :( |
| 12:38.13 | Darkvater | screensaver settings actually |
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| 12:52.47 | Frost^ | is there a way to replace the k menu icon without changing the icon theme? |
| 12:52.53 | Frost^ | in kde 3.4 |
| 12:53.01 | canllaith | Yeah if you manually overwrite the icon - it's in the FAQ which is in the topic. |
| 12:53.41 | Frost^ | is there no way of changing without messing with the files themselves? |
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| 12:53.52 | canllaith | [00:52] <canllaith> Yeah if you manually overwrite the icon - it's in the FAQ which is in the topic. |
| 12:54.20 | r00tsh3ll | just replace the file kmenu.png ?! |
| 12:54.22 | Frost^ | I bet this faq will take a while to load |
| 12:54.25 | Frost^ | thanks ;) |
| 12:54.38 | r00tsh3ll | :) |
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| 12:55.00 | AngeloBlu | salve a tutti |
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| 13:06.15 | canllaith | Hi ho apokryphos |
| 13:06.47 | apokryphos | canllaith: g'day; how are you today? |
| 13:06.58 | canllaith | :) Fine thanks |
| 13:07.14 | apokryphos | Cool; good friday is going.. good. ;) |
| 13:08.22 | canllaith | Awesome - I am afraid it's already over here |
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| 13:11.14 | uludag | slm |
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| 13:12.18 | _uludag_ | Yaaa burada turk yok mu arkadaslar |
| 13:13.06 | apokryphos | canllaith: an Aussie/Kiwi? Only two time-zones in Saturday, I figure. |
| 13:13.14 | canllaith | hehehe |
| 13:13.31 | apokryphos | (Japan too, but I'm guessing you're not there :P) |
| 13:13.39 | canllaith | I'm Australian and I live in New Zealand |
| 13:13.51 | canllaith | So either guess really - makes it easy for ya |
| 13:13.57 | _uludag_ | hi all im Turkish |
| 13:13.58 | apokryphos | A quasi-Aussie-Kiwi. Cool. |
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| 13:14.02 | solsTiCe | hi. i just upgraded to 3.4 and rm -rf .kde fater a backup. I want to import my bookmark in konqueror. But when i open the xml file it does'nt save the new bookamrk ! Why ? |
| 13:14.33 | canllaith | heh yeah. I have this half Aussie half Kiwi accent that's terribly embarrassing, cause both sides of the ditch tease me about the half they're not. |
| 13:16.30 | apokryphos | A lose-lose situation (until they meet you, I'm sure :P). Mixed accents aren't too bad, but people who pronounce one word in one accent, and another word in another seem to always stick out as really odd to me. |
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| 13:17.14 | canllaith | Yeah |
| 13:17.18 | canllaith | The accents overlap a lot |
| 13:17.30 | canllaith | eg, Christchurch English is actually very RP, very BBC English |
| 13:17.50 | canllaith | and so is a well educated Australian accent since many of us (like me) are only first generation Australian |
| 13:17.51 | apokryphos | BBC English. :D |
| 13:18.26 | canllaith | So I really mess people up when I pronounce 8 words out of ten in a very neutral manner.... and then the 9th is *very* Australian and the 10th is *very* Kiwi =p |
| 13:19.04 | apokryphos | That'll dazzle 'em |
| 13:20.16 | canllaith | :P |
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| 13:22.33 | bushwakko | checking if vg_skin.h is available... configure: error: No. Needs header files from Valgrind (2.0.x/2.2.x). |
| 13:22.33 | bushwakko | Perhaps a valgrind-dev package is missing in your installation? |
| 13:22.39 | bushwakko | I get this error with callgrind in gentoo |
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| 13:28.00 | kinema | How do I change the bindings of the fouth and fith mouse buttons in Konqueror? I want them to be 'Forward' and 'Back' like they are in FF and most (every?) other browsers. |
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| 13:31.08 | srid | how do I use the speech engine support that comes with KDE 3.4? |
| 13:32.17 | _poison | srid: install a speech engine ^^ |
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| 13:32.42 | lilo_booter | anyone know if any of the kdenlive guys hang out around on these channels? |
| 13:32.51 | _poison | srid: there should be help on whats available in the manual ... |
| 13:33.05 | srid | _poison: i have kubuntu here, so it is probably installed |
| 13:33.12 | srid | _poison: i need to test it through any KDE app that supports that |
| 13:33.19 | srid | which KDe app uses it? |
| 13:33.30 | _poison | srid: try kpdf for instance ... |
| 13:33.37 | apokryphos | srid: kdeaccessibility |
| 13:33.52 | srid | ok |
| 13:34.23 | apokryphos | srid: that provides the TTS stuff |
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| 13:37.41 | k_hauser | Good morning |
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| 13:38.25 | k_hauser | Some upgrade problems, here, too. Kontoact won't display kalenders and kontacs stored via imap any more |
| 13:39.09 | kinema | How do I change the bindings of the fouth and fifth mouse buttons in Konqueror? Â I want them to be 'Forward' and 'Back' like they are in FF and most (every?) other browsers. |
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| 13:42.20 | apokryphos | kinema: Not entirely sure if it's possible with KDE. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48062 |
| 13:45.07 | kinema | apokryphos: thanks. |
| 13:45.49 | kinema | that is truely a distrubing bug especially when kde prides itself on being utlimately configurable |
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| 13:47.59 | Invisible_Magi | whats the deal with KDE, everytime I go away from ym computer for more than 4 hours when I get back and try to open any file to edit it does not open, not with Kwrite or nedit or vim or anything? this only happens when Im in KDE ANY help please |
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| 13:54.45 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 13:54.52 | scrooge | hi |
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| 13:55.24 | DaBlade | I'm trying to get the game PlaneShift to work, but I can't. Someone in their channel suggested I try their CVS. I tried according to SourceForge's instructions |
| 13:56.00 | DaBlade | I copy/paste the command. It asks me for the password. According to SF.net, I should just hit enter. I hit enter, and I just get a new empty line ([dablade@DaBlade]#) |
| 13:56.37 | DaBlade | what do I do now? |
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| 13:58.31 | lauri | now you're logged in, do the next command |
| 13:58.34 | litb | anyone her who has knowledge about konstruct? |
| 13:59.02 | DaBlade | [dablade@DaBlade ~]$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/planeshift login |
| 13:59.05 | DaBlade | Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/planeshift |
| 13:59.08 | DaBlade | CVS password: |
| 13:59.10 | DaBlade | [dablade@DaBlade ~]$ |
| 13:59.11 | DaBlade | It doesn't seem to work |
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| 13:59.53 | canllaith | Try doing the cvs co command |
| 14:00.00 | canllaith | No output there is good news, it means it worked. |
| 14:00.08 | DaBlade | ? |
| 14:00.18 | DaBlade | I don't know anything about CVS. just tell me what to type |
| 14:00.22 | canllaith | When you hit enter to cvs password and it returns you to the prompt |
| 14:00.29 | DaBlade | yes |
| 14:00.33 | canllaith | That's what it is *supposed* to do |
| 14:00.38 | canllaith | follow onto the next step of the instructions |
| 14:00.45 | DaBlade | oh lol |
| 14:00.48 | DaBlade | stupid me |
| 14:01.05 | DaBlade | Is this one command? |
| 14:01.06 | DaBlade | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/planeshift co -P modulename |
| 14:01.11 | DaBlade | or several commands? |
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| 14:04.51 | DaBlade | hello? anyone? |
| 14:08.23 | litb | i don't want to install pkgconfig with konstruct. can i simply delete "konstruct/misc/pkgconfig"? |
| 14:08.39 | litb | DaBlade: try |
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| 14:09.36 | litb | DaBlade: what do you want to do? |
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| 14:10.41 | litb | try "cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/planeshift co -P planeshift" |
| 14:12.21 | litb | to late... :) |
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| 14:13.18 | hareldvd | konsole colors (settings->Configure Konsole->Schema): can I set ls --color using that? |
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| 14:15.05 | canllaith | hareldvd: the place to do that is in your shellrc |
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| 14:17.13 | Darkvater | is it normal that if I update KDE from 3.4rc1 to 3.4 final kde-config --version still says 3.4.0 Level "a" ? |
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| 14:18.52 | hareldvd | canllaith, Yea, that was not good enough. Do you know how to set colors for black on white scheme? |
| 14:19.07 | canllaith | What do you mean |
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| 14:19.41 | hareldvd | canllaith, the colors are too bright. they should be darker on white background. |
| 14:19.52 | canllaith | So go change them |
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| 14:20.26 | hareldvd | The color code is merely a number ranging from 31 to 37. |
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| 14:20.46 | canllaith | Settings -> Configure Konsole |
| 14:20.51 | canllaith | Schema. |
| 14:21.03 | hareldvd | Each number is simply a preassigned color like red green yellow and so forth. |
| 14:21.20 | canllaith | Why don't you just change them to colours that you do like then? :) The setting is right there. |
| 14:21.45 | hareldvd | canllaith that was my original question. Can I change them, cos it didn't seem to do any difference. |
| 14:21.59 | canllaith | Of course you can, and I just told you where |
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| 14:22.34 | hareldvd | Right, I tried that before submitting a question. As I said, It didn't seem to make any difference. |
| 14:22.39 | hareldvd | Can you check if it works for you? |
| 14:22.46 | canllaith | I guess you should go back and look at it again, cause I know it works fine for me already. |
| 14:23.04 | Darkvater | am I the only one with the kde-config --version prob? |
| 14:23.31 | hareldvd | Can you tell me which scheme you use and what is the definition of your green color in R.G.B? |
| 14:24.04 | canllaith | No. |
| 14:24.32 | hareldvd | Why, Is this some kind of a secret? |
| 14:24.59 | canllaith | No, because it's 2:30 am and I'm going back to reading bash.org now while I wait for the wind to shut up so I can sleep :) |
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| 14:26.49 | hareldvd | canllaith where are you from? My local time is 16:26 |
| 14:26.58 | canllaith | I'm currently living in NZ |
| 14:27.08 | hareldvd | I envy you. |
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| 14:31.22 | r00tsh3ll | i'm trying to open this link using konqueror.. but it isnt loading.. http://www.macromedia.com/showcase/casestudies/mini_usa/presentation/ |
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| 14:31.33 | r00tsh3ll | anybody can try? |
| 14:31.41 | Celestar | is 3.4rc1 and 3.4 final identical? |
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| 14:32.04 | Celestar | they both report the same version in kde-config --version |
| 14:34.05 | r00tsh3ll | damn its working with firefox :( |
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| 14:36.36 | JakubS | where kdm gets session types from> |
| 14:36.37 | JakubS | ? |
| 14:38.32 | JakubS | nevermind, i had too old config file |
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| 14:53.18 | alejandro | hi |
| 14:55.17 | grothesk | Hi there! |
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| 14:56.37 | IceRAM | hi everybody |
| 14:56.53 | grothesk | Can somebody tell my why these kde-startup-skripts are totally faulty? |
| 14:56.58 | IceRAM | does anyone know where the toolbar configuration is being stored for konqueror? |
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| 15:03.15 | solsTiCe | i wonder why when i type something like éçà in the google bar in konqueror i got jurk like ?A in google page after ? |
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| 15:08.45 | solsTiCe | i search that it is now fixed if i choose google as default search engine (but it was already google icon present in search bar, so ?) |
| 15:09.33 | IceRAM | solsTiCe> konqueror might not encode the right way the string when it's sent to google |
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| 15:12.11 | lignux | What is sieve:/ |
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| 15:15.46 | derelm | lignux: is a kioslave to talk to a sieve server (cyrus imap filtering language) if i am right |
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| 15:15.59 | lignux | derelm: Okie-dokie |
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| 15:20.30 | swatch123 | who can give me some info about kde3.4 bugs? |
| 15:23.23 | scrooge | lol |
| 15:23.27 | scrooge | ok |
| 15:23.38 | scrooge | im gonna install slackware-current!! |
| 15:23.49 | scrooge | i doubt it has kde 3.4 but i wanna run kde-cvs |
| 15:24.00 | scrooge | should i install the slackware kde? for deps and such? |
| 15:24.08 | scrooge | or just go full blown cvs off the back? |
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| 15:36.31 | kyeyekkarn | Anyone awake here? |
| 15:36.58 | baoji | sure |
| 15:37.13 | kyeyekkarn | woot. |
| 15:37.50 | kyeyekkarn | Ok this isn't really KDE related, but #openoffice.org isn't awake... I accidentally closed xwindows w/ a OOo writer session open and it didn't save. Is there a way to recover? |
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| 15:38.09 | baoji | I have no clue, to be honest. |
| 15:38.45 | kyeyekkarn | That's OK. OOo does have an autosave, but it isn't on by default (which I'm kind of annoyed about) |
| 15:39.06 | baoji | I suppose you could crawl through your /tmp |
| 15:39.27 | baoji | file `find /tmp` |
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| 15:39.36 | baoji | And check which ones look like nascent OO docs. |
| 15:40.14 | kyeyekkarn | yeah I checked there I couldn't see anything promising |
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| 15:41.17 | kyeyekkarn | all the files in /tmp that were modified yesterday are like .X0-lock, xses, .gdm_socket ... etc. |
| 15:41.18 | bushwakko | hey |
| 15:41.41 | bushwakko | I have a problem getting the new kdm setup thingy to work... configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target |
| 15:41.42 | bushwakko | configure: WARNING: invalid host type: /usr/kde/3.4 |
| 15:41.42 | bushwakko | checking build system type... Invalid configuration `/usr/kde/3.4': machine `/usr/kde/3.4' not recognized |
| 15:41.56 | bushwakko | I run ./configure `kde-config --prefix` |
| 15:41.59 | baoji | kyeyekkarn: unfortunate |
| 15:42.04 | bushwakko | just as It said on kde-apps.org |
| 15:42.19 | kyeyekkarn | baoji, Yeah. It's OK if I wrote it once I can do it again :P thanks anyway |
| 15:42.27 | Hoochie-Coochie- | Hey, wat's up kde fans? :) I've asked recently where I could find qt-source package, and if somebody still doesn't know, here's the hint: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/snapshots/ |
| 15:42.51 | baoji | kyeyekkarn: no prob |
| 15:43.29 | kyeyekkarn | Hoochie-Coochie-, How fast is your comp? |
| 15:43.52 | Hoochie-Coochie- | kyeyekkarn> How do I check it? :) |
| 15:44.40 | kyeyekkarn | um. type 'more /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 15:44.50 | scrooge | less > more! |
| 15:44.58 | kyeyekkarn | and look under 'cpu MHz' |
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| 15:45.42 | kyeyekkarn | Anyway, I guess my point is plan on it taking a nastily long time :P |
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| 15:49.22 | scrooge | kde 3.4? |
| 15:49.33 | scrooge | took me 6 hours tops |
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| 15:51.17 | Hoochie-Coochie- | who did compile the kde3.4 from source code? |
| 15:51.19 | lignux | When I run scheduler -vvv for icecream, if I start a job, should the scheduler print something about it? |
| 15:51.23 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: Me |
| 15:51.44 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> could you me explain one or some more things about this process? |
| 15:51.58 | lignux | Are you compiling it for yourself? |
| 15:52.13 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> correct |
| 15:52.15 | Hoochie-Coochie- | nope |
| 15:52.17 | Hoochie-Coochie- | it may be used by others |
| 15:52.21 | Hoochie-Coochie- | i gonna make packages |
| 15:52.26 | lignux | Oh |
| 15:52.38 | Hoochie-Coochie- | is it to coplicated deal? :) |
| 15:53.04 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> how did you get your new installation? |
| 15:53.09 | lignux | Well, if there's already an official package set for you distribution, it's probably a waste of time |
| 15:53.18 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: I compiled it |
| 15:53.20 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> there's no such |
| 15:53.28 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: What distribution? |
| 15:53.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> have I just used `make install' for every source package? |
| 15:53.53 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> Slackware GNU\Linux |
| 15:54.06 | lignux | Oh, do you want the packages I made (i686)? |
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| 15:54.58 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> nope, thnx :) It's matter of honor =))) I want to penetrate into it as much as possible :))) So, may I ask you some specific questions? |
| 15:55.18 | scrooge | haha |
| 15:55.22 | lignux | And you want to distribute the packages you made? |
| 15:55.50 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> not really. some of my friends will use 'em |
| 15:55.54 | lignux | Oh, ok |
| 15:56.05 | doobeh | Where are the system icons stored? I want to add some, I've tried /usr/share/icons and pixmaps |
| 15:56.28 | Hoochie-Coochie- | doobeh> $KDE_PATH/share/icons/ |
| 15:57.17 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> First off, am I to remove the previous version before compiling the new one? And what about QT? Is it so necessary to update to latest snapshot 3.4 version of it? |
| 15:57.49 | lignux | I'd just look at some other distribution's KDE build list for dependencies, acquire all the dependencies, and then modify Pat's slackbuild scripts for 3.4 (like, change the KDE version, remove the patches, etc), and make sure that the build scripts bail out by default if there is an error in configure or make (which they don't already) |
| 15:58.37 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: No, you don't need to get the latest snapshot, and I would recommend doing it in a clean system, i.e. a chroot with only the minimum tools and then the KDE deps |
| 15:58.50 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: You should use qt 3.3.4 though |
| 15:59.05 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> that's the point |
| 15:59.22 | lignux | You shouldn't use a CVS version though |
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| 16:00.01 | TheDarkFreeSoul | hi guys |
| 16:00.04 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> ok, where do I get an ordinary version of qt, but not snapshot? |
| 16:00.04 | doobeh | Thanks Hoochie-Coochie |
| 16:00.06 | TheDarkFreeSoul | i've a little problem |
| 16:00.16 | Hoochie-Coochie- | doobeh> you're welcome :) |
| 16:01.22 | lignux | lignux: www.trolltech.com |
| 16:01.24 | lignux | i mean |
| 16:01.25 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: |
| 16:01.54 | TheDarkFreeSoul | i've tryed to install a windows decoration theme on my kde 3.2.3 on slackware. As root, from / i did: tar xzvf /home/darkness/glocean-1.1-27Slackware.tgz. It exaclted some pic files to /opt/kde/share... but at the moment i can't open control panel an all icons disappeared. Please can you help me ? thnx |
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| 16:02.17 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> argh... do you happen to know the direct link, don't you? that's a pretty damned site, I can't find anything there :) |
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| 16:03.21 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: Click Try now and then Open Source |
| 16:03.27 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> remove files you unpacked, and then execute: `installpkg glocean-1.1-27Slackware.tgz` |
| 16:03.46 | TheDarkFreeSoul | Hoochie-Coochie-, ok tnx i do it just know |
| 16:03.50 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> wait a second... I gotta check it right away :)))) |
| 16:05.02 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> so, you mean I gotta logout the system and just mount my environment and only then start building packages? What's the point in such approach? |
| 16:05.34 | lignux | Your build won't be currupted by per-user settings or already-installed packages |
| 16:05.54 | Hoochie-Coochie- | if I do as you adviced, right? |
| 16:05.59 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: You don't want your build to find an old version of qt, and use that, for example |
| 16:06.08 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: right. |
| 16:07.26 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> As I got it, I need to remove an older version of qt, and then preferably kde itself, then compile and install the newest version of qt, then arts, kdelibs ..... .... |
| 16:07.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> what do you think? :) |
| 16:07.47 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: Well you don't need to if you chroot |
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| 16:08.28 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: Set up a chroot build environment, and then use modified slackbuild scripts |
| 16:09.28 | TheDarkFreeSoul | Hoochie-Coochie-, i removed all files that i extraced and i did installpkg glocean-1.1-27Slackware.tgz but nothing changed... i can't open the control panel or konqueror... |
| 16:09.32 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> erm.. there's some dimness in my head concerning chroot'ing, from which place you're expecting me to issue chroot? Do you mean that I can do boot from Slackware's CD-ROM for example, exec chroot, and start building what I need. do you? |
| 16:10.23 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> have you tried to find a package at www.linuxpackages.net? Therea are quite reliable packages for Slackware. |
| 16:10.35 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> Just give it a try |
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| 16:11.16 | TheDarkFreeSoul | Hoochie-Coochie-, the problem is that i can't open anything now of kde... i don't see icon... |
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| 16:12.19 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: You need to install packages to for example /root/build-environment |
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| 16:12.25 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> well, I ain't wizard :) You should've been more attentive and... use your imagination, try to remember when it's all got broken down and try to fix it |
| 16:12.30 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: And then chroot to /root/build-environment |
| 16:13.01 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> aha... and ? |
| 16:13.05 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> wait? |
| 16:13.28 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> do you mean `make install DESTDIR=$MYPATH' ? |
| 16:13.39 | lignux | no |
| 16:13.40 | TheDarkFreeSoul | Hoochie-Coochie-, i simply extraced the files to / and all icon went away.... i'm sorry to bore you i dunno what to do at all |
| 16:13.45 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> to package the installation later on? |
| 16:13.54 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: I mean installpkg -root /root/build-environment |
| 16:14.22 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> ok (ain't I boring you? :) ) |
| 16:14.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> what's then? go on... I'm listening attentively |
| 16:15.34 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> Have you tried to restart the X-server with KDE? |
| 16:15.55 | TheDarkFreeSoul | no... i'm afraid to be unable to restart kde |
| 16:16.26 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: Do that to set up a temporary build environment, and then get Pat's slackbuild scripts for KDE from disk 3; after this you should download all the KDE packages and replace Pat's with those, and then modify the slackbuild scripts to work with KDE-3.4 and to bail out if configure or make fails (e.g. if (( $? )); then exit 1; fi) |
| 16:16.46 | lignux | Hoochie-Coochie-: I have to take a shower. Be back later. |
| 16:17.22 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux>ok, I'll hold on here |
| 16:17.31 | Hoochie-Coochie- | lignux> happy showering :))) |
| 16:17.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul>why? |
| 16:17.58 | Hoochie-Coochie- | TheDarkFreeSoul> You might need just to reenter the environment |
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| 16:26.31 | Hoochie-Coochie- | is there anybody alive in here ? 8) |
| 16:26.40 | Hoochie-Coochie- | 4Random Fortune: Actually, typing random strings in the Finder does the equivalent of filename completion. -- Discussion on file completion vs. the Mac Finder |
| 16:26.43 | mha | I am |
| 16:27.05 | Hoochie-Coochie- | mha> that's good, isn't it? =))) |
| 16:27.15 | Hoochie-Coochie- | mha's alive!!! |
| 16:27.19 | mha | it is |
| 16:27.20 | Hoochie-Coochie- | anybody else? |
| 16:27.25 | Hoochie-Coochie- | :)) |
| 16:27.30 | Hoochie-Coochie- | mha> I'm just kiddin' :) |
| 16:28.54 | mha | any method the KDE version running ? |
| 16:29.01 | mha | to know |
| 16:29.38 | Hoochie-Coochie- | mha> excuse me... |
| 16:29.48 | mha | what KDE version I am running ? |
| 16:29.55 | mha | command ? |
| 16:30.33 | Hoochie-Coochie- | kde-config --version |
| 16:30.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | Qt: 3.3.3 |
| 16:30.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | KDE: 3.3.2 |
| 16:30.41 | Hoochie-Coochie- | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 16:30.44 | Hoochie-Coochie- | that's the output |
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| 16:31.12 | mha | Qt: 3.3.4 |
| 16:31.13 | mha | KDE: 3.3.1-2.9.FC3 Red Hat |
| 16:31.13 | mha | kde-config: 1.0 |
| 16:31.29 | mha | Is 3.4 released ? |
| 16:31.50 | Hoochie-Coochie- | mha> ARE YOU KIDDIN" PAL???!??!?!?!??! |
| 16:31.52 | Hoochie-Coochie- | =) |
| 16:32.00 | Hoochie-Coochie- | sure it's been released recently |
| 16:32.11 | Hoochie-Coochie- | wait |
| 16:32.14 | mha | no just read an email fom some1 who mentioned 3.4 |
| 16:32.14 | Hoochie-Coochie- | erm... |
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| 16:32.45 | Hoochie-Coochie- | view the topic of the channel |
| 16:32.48 | Hoochie-Coochie- | ;) |
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| 16:33.04 | mha | oo oo |
| 16:33.18 | somekool | kdebase takes 8hours to compil on a P4 2.4 |
| 16:33.22 | Hoochie-Coochie- | that's it buddy |
| 16:33.37 | mha | isn upgrade comes through yum ? |
| 16:33.49 | Hoochie-Coochie- | somekool> really? |
| 16:33.49 | mha | isn |
| 16:34.06 | Hoochie-Coochie- | somekool> ooh... how many days did it take you to compile all the packages? |
| 16:34.45 | mha | kdeb: looks very long to me |
| 16:35.07 | somekool | i dont know ,... seems like its longer than usual |
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| 16:35.28 | somekool | but kdebase start compiling yesterday at midnight, its 8h32 and its still going |
| 16:36.04 | Lexxus | complete lockup of KDE 3.2 desktop while using Kaboodle, is there a way to return to linux (debian 3.1) |
| 16:36.07 | dwango | kdebase takes 8 hours to compile? |
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| 16:36.30 | kilrae | dwango: nah, i did it in like 4 |
| 16:36.34 | Flying_Eagle | hi |
| 16:37.16 | dwango | i compiled kde's kdebase package in just over an hour, i believe |
| 16:37.27 | Flying_Eagle | im exploring kde 3.4 and kcontrol... which permissions must i have to set up the mouse-specific settings? |
| 16:37.28 | somekool | dwango: yes |
| 16:37.55 | somekool | dwango: could it be some weird optimization flag on my computer ? |
| 16:38.03 | Flying_Eagle | e.g.: kcontrol->"peripherials"->"mouse"->"mouseman dual optical" |
| 16:38.09 | kilrae | somekool: what speed? |
| 16:38.17 | mha | why compile kdebase, doesn it come through yum upgrades ? |
| 16:38.34 | mha | does´t |
| 16:38.37 | somekool | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz |
| 16:38.39 | dwango | somekool, by kdebase, do you mean *just* the kdebase package, or all of the basic kde packages (e.g., kdebase, kdelibs, etc) |
| 16:38.53 | somekool | just kdebase |
| 16:38.57 | dwango | I know gentoo calls their main kde tree "kde-base" |
| 16:39.06 | dwango | that's pretty crazy, then |
| 16:40.30 | dwango | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.30 | dwango | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.11 | mha | pals, I have 2.6.10-1.770_FC3, how can I upgrade to KDE 3.4 ? |
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| 16:43.29 | dwango | mha, your linux kernel version should not have anything to do with upgrading to kde 3.4 |
| 16:43.46 | somekool | dwango: i dont have merge time in /var/log/emerge.log |
| 16:44.07 | kilrae | ewwwwww, i'm eating |
| 16:44.29 | dwango | somekool, That was from a tool called "genlop" |
| 16:44.33 | dwango | which is a log analyzer |
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| 16:45.03 | mha | dwango: I have FC3, whatÅ› the wayforward for KDE 3.4 ? |
| 16:45.06 | yannux | hye everybody |
| 16:45.37 | somekool | dwango: took almost 3 hours for kde libs |
| 16:45.37 | TheDarkFreeSoul | if i upgrade kde 3.2.3 to last version... do i'll lose my configs ? |
| 16:45.38 | dwango | mha, does Fedora have packages for 3.4? |
| 16:46.03 | yannux | I' ve just seen that konversation is link with kontact module for adressbook, is it possible with kopete too ? |
| 16:46.04 | mha | dwango: donno |
| 16:46.14 | dwango | somekool: what are your MAKEOPTS in /etc/make.conf? |
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| 16:47.49 | somekool | dwango: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6S1Qo916.html |
| 16:47.55 | somekool | -j2 |
| 16:48.20 | dwango | does your processor have HT? |
| 16:48.27 | somekool | yes |
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| 16:48.40 | dwango | maybe try -j3 |
| 16:48.47 | dwango | though that shouldn't make the difference |
| 16:48.54 | somekool | but only one proc shown in cpuinfo even if i enable SMT (you know there is two kind of HT) |
| 16:49.14 | dwango | hmm |
| 16:49.19 | dwango | mine shows 2 in cpuinfo |
| 16:49.34 | somekool | cuz you got proper one |
| 16:50.42 | somekool | oh I got something even better |
| 16:51.10 | somekool | -rw------- 1 somekool users 29G Mar 25 08:48 .xsession-errors |
| 16:51.33 | dwango | wtf? |
| 16:51.36 | dwango | 29G? |
| 16:52.17 | richmoore | that's quite a log file! |
| 16:53.07 | somekool | takes about a day to fill up, I'm not sure ,... i think its kcheck_gmail making kio_http logging shit |
| 16:53.33 | somekool | and when I delete the file, df does not update, did on reboot yesterday |
| 16:53.33 | dwango | where is that file? |
| 16:53.38 | somekool | $HOME |
| 16:54.18 | dwango | -rw------- 1 dwango users 760833 Mar 25 11:48 .xsession-errors |
| 16:54.51 | dwango | somekool: how about `genlop -t xorg-x11` |
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| 16:54.58 | dwango | assuming you're using x.org |
| 16:55.18 | somekool | want to see the content ? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Xk11V921.html |
| 16:55.18 | kilrae | oh no, faith killed a human |
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| 16:56.49 | dwango | somekool: ln -s /dev/null ~/.xsessions-errors =) |
| 16:58.09 | somekool | good idea |
| 16:58.24 | somekool | xorg took about 3hours |
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| 16:59.37 | Paleo | anyone's using unsermake on gentoo ? |
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| 17:03.28 | somekool | Paleo: sorry |
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| 17:04.30 | somekool | dwango: 2h45 mins |
| 17:04.40 | Mojo_Jojo | is anyone interested in helping me write a superkaramba theme ? |
| 17:04.42 | dwango | wow |
| 17:05.11 | dwango | 44 minutes and 2 seconds for xorg-x11 |
| 17:05.14 | Mojo_Jojo | I already have the main and some crappy gui for start |
| 17:05.22 | Mojo_Jojo | arr |
| 17:05.34 | Mojo_Jojo | anyone? |
| 17:05.35 | dwango | i have a p4 3ghz |
| 17:05.46 | dwango | and a 900mhz drone on distcc |
| 17:06.08 | dwango | i guess that could make the difference between our xorg times, but certainly not your kdebase time |
| 17:08.03 | kilrae | emacs wants me to learn cursor motion keys |
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| 17:14.00 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 17:15.41 | AaronCampbell | in windows, you can input certain charaters into programs using <alt>+XXXX where XXXX represents the character code... |
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| 17:15.46 | AaronCampbell | can you do that in KDE? |
| 17:16.06 | langenberg | AaronCampbell: yes you can |
| 17:16.11 | AaronCampbell | I used to use it to insert 0160 into my javascript |
| 17:16.17 | AaronCampbell | langenberg: how? |
| 17:16.18 | langenberg | AaronCampbell: I remember I've done it a while ago. |
| 17:16.44 | langenberg | AaronCampbell: In the control centre you should be able to choose a mapping for you keyboard. |
| 17:17.05 | AaronCampbell | langenberg: I'll check it out |
| 17:17.06 | AaronCampbell | thanks |
| 17:17.37 | richmoore | AaronCampbell: why would you need a non-breaking space in JS? |
| 17:17.41 | langenberg | the keyboardlayout or something |
| 17:18.34 | langenberg | How stable is the stable portage tree actually? |
| 17:18.42 | langenberg | oops, wrong chan, nvm |
| 17:27.11 | AaronCampbell | richmoore: I'm using createTextNode, and it needs to insert 2 non-breaking spaces... |
| 17:27.36 | AaronCampbell | Label: <input goes here> |
| 17:27.43 | sarah03 | AaronCampbell: document.createTextNode(String.fromCharCode(160)+String.fromCharCode(160)); |
| 17:28.02 | AaronCampbell | the problem is, createTextNode turns & into & |
| 17:28.32 | AaronCampbell | sarah03: that works...but so does \u00A0 |
| 17:28.50 | AaronCampbell | I just thought if I could do it like I did in windows...it'd be easier |
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| 17:29.02 | sarah03 | Yeah, except that now you can't see them. |
| 17:29.51 | sarah03 | *shrug* Just a coding style thing, I suppose. |
| 17:32.03 | richmoore | yeah, but if someone copies the file via a non-unicode locale the spaces will disappear and you'll wonder why it broke! ;-) |
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| 17:34.09 | richmoore | hi annma |
| 17:34.39 | annma | hi richmoore :) |
| 17:34.45 | richmoore | long time no see |
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| 17:34.56 | annma | yes! |
| 17:36.46 | richmoore | how's kdeedu? |
| 17:37.27 | annma | cool |
| 17:37.33 | annma | we have a new artist |
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| 17:37.47 | annma | so we're doing more visual stuff |
| 17:38.10 | richmoore | that's good |
| 17:38.39 | annma | and we have nice ideas, we lack developers though |
| 17:38.53 | annma | and developers are too solo |
| 17:39.05 | annma | they don't have a team idea |
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| 17:40.00 | richmoore | that's something people learn over time |
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| 17:41.28 | annma | http://img93.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img93&image=newkhangman6bf.png |
| 17:41.34 | annma | KHangMan revisited |
| 17:41.56 | annma | the hangman is not there at the moment |
| 17:42.06 | richmoore | that looks great! |
| 17:42.08 | annma | it'll be a K hangged |
| 17:42.17 | annma | there'll be another theme |
| 17:42.23 | richmoore | please don't kill konqui! |
| 17:42.26 | annma | too bad we cannot work from svg yet |
| 17:42.29 | annma | lol |
| 17:42.57 | annma | well something based on konqi could be cool |
| 17:43.07 | richmoore | you could make the boat rock - that would be neat |
| 17:43.22 | annma | yes |
| 17:43.41 | annma | the hanged K will be in the light from the lighthouse |
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| 17:44.16 | richmoore | hanging from the top? |
| 17:45.17 | tezem | I try to output the sound of a game with arts with the artsdsp command but I get a broken sound. Who knows the reason or a solution for this problem? |
| 17:46.36 | annma | http://img77.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img77&image=animation102ke.png <--like that |
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| 17:46.48 | annma | tezem: what game? |
| 17:47.11 | apokryphos | annma: hanging a letter is no fun :P |
| 17:47.16 | richmoore | that's very cute |
| 17:47.22 | annma | apokryphos: that's soft |
| 17:47.31 | annma | we'll come with alternate designs |
| 17:47.43 | tezem | annma: Unreal Tournament |
| 17:47.55 | apokryphos | we need a being (fictional or not) to better sympathise. It'll make people find the missing letters more easily. ;-) |
| 17:47.56 | annma | tezem: why with aRts? |
| 17:48.13 | tezem | annma: I need two sound outputs at the same time |
| 17:48.21 | annma | 2? |
| 17:48.32 | annma | 2 in UT? |
| 17:48.44 | annma | apokryphos: what do you mean? |
| 17:48.53 | annma | ah I see |
| 17:48.58 | tezem | one for UT one for other sound programmes like xmms, teamspeak, skype,... |
| 17:49.02 | annma | a being <-- I did not get that |
| 17:49.07 | apokryphos | :) |
| 17:49.16 | annma | tezem: you want to look at dmix maybe |
| 17:49.52 | tezem | annma: already done no success. |
| 17:49.55 | annma | apokryphos: a theme with konqi maybe and he'll end spitting fire when you lose |
| 17:50.20 | annma | tezem: google? |
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| 17:50.26 | apokryphos | annma: I like it. ;) |
| 17:51.42 | afo | Hallo Welt! |
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| 17:53.19 | kilrae | i want a cool office |
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| 17:55.22 | kilrae | oh no |
| 17:55.38 | kilrae | i only have two momre discs of buffy to last me the whole long weekend |
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| 18:08.37 | markey | right |
| 18:08.57 | ysm | a cat on a keyboard ? |
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| 18:14.26 | Alethes | ysm: he's a little overcaffeinated :) |
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| 18:16.11 | Flendor | Hello again. |
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| 18:19.30 | goLonghorns | does anyone recognize the font at -> http://consistencies.net/ ? |
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| 18:22.18 | xiando | goLonghorns: font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif; ? |
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| 18:23.37 | goLonghorns | xiando, well, in the window decoration up top |
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| 18:24.31 | cshields | is there a doc on how to enable/use kcompmgr somewhere? |
| 18:24.37 | cshields | google isn't coming up with much |
| 18:24.39 | mfx- | ppl please |
| 18:24.48 | mfx- | how can i turn of this slow keys option |
| 18:24.51 | mfx- | in 3.4 |
| 18:24.51 | kilrae | Alethes: no, i've had my poli sci essay in front of me for the past two days and i've only written one word |
| 18:24.59 | mfx- | if i hold shift key for 8seconds |
| 18:25.07 | Alethes | kilrae: nice heh |
| 18:25.08 | kilrae | and that word doesn't count because i erased one in order to write it |
| 18:25.14 | mfx- | it is annoying in qt designer when im selecting lots of widgets |
| 18:25.21 | mfx- | and it turns on |
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| 18:27.11 | michel | heya all |
| 18:27.44 | michel | I'm having a problem with kdm: it doesn't seem to spawn an Xserver that doesn't listen on a tcp-port while I have the -nolisten tcp - option. |
| 18:27.59 | michel | I heop I'm on the right channel |
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| 18:30.45 | Kenny | hi! any idea why I can't hear system notifications in KDE 3.4.0, even though my artsd is working ok? I can hear them only if I tell KDE to use an external player (mplayer), but then the sound come seconds too late |
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| 18:46.19 | Invisible_Magi | whats the deal with KDE, everytime I go away from ym computer for more than 4 hours when I get back and try to open any file to edit it does not open, not with Kwrite or nedit or vim or anything? this only happens when Im in KDE ANY help please? |
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| 18:47.22 | lignux | Can you be more specific? What exactly can you do or not do? |
| 18:47.23 | dec0ding | what is the default style/theme in KDE 3.4 ? |
| 18:47.40 | lignux | Euh, plastik iirc |
| 18:47.50 | Invisible_Magi | I can't open any file to edit it |
| 18:48.03 | Invisible_Magi | it tries to open, but never completes |
| 18:48.17 | lignux | Can you start xterm? |
| 18:48.41 | Invisible_Magi | yes, I can edit files from terminal, but thats it |
| 18:48.44 | Invisible_Magi | using nano |
| 18:48.52 | lignux | But not vim? |
| 18:48.57 | Invisible_Magi | nope |
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| 18:49.09 | lignux | What happens when you type vim? |
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| 18:49.16 | Invisible_Magi | and not any gui style either... ie nedit, kwrite, gvim |
| 18:49.45 | Invisible_Magi | nothing happens, and there is no error messages |
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| 18:49.58 | lignux | You mean it just hangs? |
| 18:50.05 | lignux | And doesn produce output? |
| 18:50.25 | Invisible_Magi | exactly ( in terminal it hangs but when I try with a gui it starts ( I see it in taskbar - but then it just disappears and does not open ) |
| 18:50.35 | lignux | ok |
| 18:50.41 | lignux | So you don't see the terminal again |
| 18:50.47 | lignux | I mean, command prompt |
| 18:51.45 | hitriko | hey i'm trying to install Another Bittorrent client(ABC) and it's giving me an error message... |
| 18:51.55 | Invisible_Magi | no |
| 18:52.25 | hitriko | does anyone wanna see the error message |
| 18:52.27 | Invisible_Magi | I have to close the term & re-open it ( ctrl + c does not even stop it ) |
| 18:52.33 | lignux | What's wrong with the python scripts? |
| 18:52.56 | hitriko | from: can't read /var/mail/distutils.core |
| 18:52.56 | hitriko | /home/hitriko/Desktop/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3/setupabc.py: line 3: import: command not found |
| 18:52.57 | hitriko | : command not foundop/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3/setupabc.py: line 4: |
| 18:52.57 | hitriko | /home/hitriko/Desktop/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3/setupabc.py: line 5: syntax error near u'expected token `name="ABC", |
| 18:52.57 | hitriko | 'home/hitriko/Desktop/ABC-Linux-V.2.4.3/setupabc.py: line 5: `setup(name="ABC", |
| 18:53.05 | hitriko | thats what its giving me |
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| 18:54.16 | t35t0r | @#$@#%$@% PLEASE FIX KONQUEROR TO WORK WITH GMAIL (AND ALL OTHER SITES ON THE WEB THAT WORK AT LEAST WITH FIREFOX, YES ASKING FOR IE COMPATIBILITY IS TOO MUCH OF KDE ..WHICH IN ITSELF EMULATES WIN95+), I'M USING 3.3.2 AND WHEN I SWITCH TO STANDARD VIEW, SO I CAN GO TO SETTINGS, NONE OF THE LINKS WORK, I TRIED USING SEVERAL DIFFERENT USER AGENT STRINGS, BUT THE SAME ERROR OCCURS #$^#$%#% |
| 18:54.16 | t35t0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:54.42 | Invisible_Magi | thats what I said, it hangs in a terminal and there is no output either in the term or in the logs.... |
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| 18:54.49 | bd2 | t35t0r.. capslock off, first. try kde-3.4 |
| 18:54.53 | t35t0r | HAH |
| 18:54.59 | hitriko | someone help me plz? |
| 18:55.02 | t35t0r | try kde-.3.3.4 |
| 18:55.02 | Alethes | t35t0r: you're annoying as hell |
| 18:55.10 | t35t0r | and konqueror is even more annoying |
| 18:55.15 | Alethes | then don't use it |
| 18:55.19 | bd2 | kde-3.4 |
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| 18:55.26 | t35t0r | go to hell |
| 18:55.26 | lanius_ | how do i start kdm in a xnest? |
| 18:55.36 | Alethes | t35t0r: I've arrived apparently |
| 18:55.36 | bd2 | t35t0r.. are you drunk? :-) |
| 18:55.40 | t35t0r | no |
| 18:55.43 | t35t0r | just very angry |
| 18:55.50 | bd2 | t35t0r.. are you high? ;-) |
| 18:55.54 | t35t0r | just very angry |
| 18:56.01 | t35t0r | where's thiago |
| 18:56.07 | t35t0r | at least he can give some constructive comments |
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| 18:56.26 | aseigoo | t35t0r: when you're being like that, why should anyone do so, really? =( |
| 18:56.32 | aseigoo | t35t0r: the issue you have is with gmail? |
| 18:56.58 | t35t0r | first i tried to go to the settings so i can look at my pop settings for gmail |
| 18:57.06 | t35t0r | and of course it says its unsupported |
| 18:57.21 | t35t0r | so i change the user agent to mozilla 1.6 and then switch to standard view and none of the links work |
| 18:57.31 | t35t0r | i think its a javascript/java problem |
| 18:57.50 | bd2 | t35t0r.. I think, you should blame gmail, not konqueror. |
| 18:58.05 | t35t0r | i think you guys should get with the rest of the world |
| 18:58.23 | annma | t35t0r: what would we? to please you? |
| 18:58.28 | aseigoo | yes, it's a js problem |
| 18:58.32 | lignux | The rest of the world? Gmail supports like 3 browsers, and only the latest versions. |
| 18:58.41 | bd2 | t35t0r.. it's _gmail_ don't support konqueror's user_agent. it's main trouble, imho |
| 18:58.44 | aseigoo | gmail reallllllly stretches js to the max |
| 18:58.57 | aseigoo | and we had konqi working with it then they changed it to something else |
| 18:59.15 | annma | gmail is the spam king |
| 18:59.21 | aseigoo | would be very nice if google actually worked with us to make it work... of if apple knew how to work with open source projects properly (they have their khtml fork) |
| 18:59.22 | bd2 | lol =) |
| 18:59.35 | matt_ | how can i get UK english on kde ? |
| 18:59.37 | aseigoo | but it's really not a current reality. |
| 18:59.50 | annma | matt_: there's a en_GB i18n package |
| 18:59.58 | bd2 | aseigoo.. apple know how to work with gcc-devel people. |
| 18:59.58 | aseigoo | matt_: you need to grab the .uk translation and install it, then select it in the Regional Settings control panel |
| 19:00.02 | sarah03 | In the browsers that Gmail works in, it's extremely slick. In the browsers that it doesn't work in, at the very least, they've put together an interface that does work. |
| 19:00.06 | matt_ | ahh k |
| 19:00.09 | aseigoo | bd2: that took a long time for them to do so |
| 19:00.20 | Alethes | aseigoo: where does kde store the .desktop files used for the alternate desktop menus? |
| 19:00.22 | aseigoo | bd2: and the compiler isn't integrated into another product of theres |
| 19:00.24 | aseigoo | er, theirs |
| 19:00.24 | lignux | sarah03: His problem is that he wants to check his POP settings. |
| 19:00.29 | matt_ | i'm using gentoo, is there a emerge command i can just run ? |
| 19:00.32 | t35t0r | this is no way to push linux onto the desktop by not being compatible with like 10% of the web |
| 19:00.46 | t35t0r | matt_, kde-3.4 is ~x86 |
| 19:00.46 | aseigoo | bd2: and companies aren't uniform entperprises. the people involved with gcc aren't the safari people =) |
| 19:00.54 | lignux | Alethes: Find them yourself. slocate .desktop | less |
| 19:01.03 | Alethes | lignux: I'm already doing that ;) |
| 19:01.07 | t35t0r | honestly what's the point of kde if not to make life easier on linux |
| 19:01.12 | bd2 | aseigoo.. yeah... should i blame apple via email? :-) |
| 19:01.12 | aseigoo | t35t0r: good thing we are compatible with 99% of it then |
| 19:01.20 | t35t0r | aseigoo, right... |
| 19:01.21 | aseigoo | t35t0r: and we have gecko when that fails. |
| 19:01.37 | lignux | Alethes: then grep kdm |
| 19:01.41 | aseigoo | bd2: sounds good to me. esp if you have a mac, complain as a customer that they need to work closer with their open source desktop partners |
| 19:01.48 | Alethes | kdm? |
| 19:01.55 | Alethes | what does that have to do with kdesktop? heh |
| 19:01.56 | aseigoo | t35t0r: i know you're upset, angry, etc... but that's reality |
| 19:02.01 | lignux | Alethes: That's the name of the display manager |
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| 19:02.29 | aseigoo | Alethes: alternate desktop menus? which ones? |
| 19:02.29 | lignux | Alethes: You're looking for things like blackbox.desktop. kde.desktop, right? |
| 19:02.29 | Alethes | no |
| 19:02.29 | lauri | the custom menus |
| 19:02.31 | lauri | ? |
| 19:02.33 | Alethes | yeah |
| 19:02.34 | Alethes | that's it :) |
| 19:02.36 | aseigoo | ah |
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| 19:02.56 | lauri | you can edit those in the gui now, you know that right? |
| 19:02.56 | Alethes | right |
| 19:03.00 | Alethes | but I've run into two probs |
| 19:03.07 | Alethes | I don't know if they're in 3.4 though |
| 19:03.22 | aseigoo | which 2 probs? |
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| 19:03.39 | Alethes | 1) it only let's me add items that are in my program menu (obviously using the .desktop files) if it's gonna have the right app name and icon |
| 19:03.52 | Alethes | 2) if I just put in the command, I don't get the icon, correct app name, etc |
| 19:04.15 | lignux | I had the same problem, my workaround was to add it to the kde menu |
| 19:04.24 | lauri | so, the same as any other icon or launcher anywhere |
| 19:04.42 | lauri | to which the answer is.. add it to the K menu indeed, or provide full paths and hand set the icon etc |
| 19:05.01 | aseigoo | Alethes: `kde-config --prefix`/share/config/kdesktop_custom_menu* |
| 19:05.04 | Alethes | alrighty. I was just gonna manually edit .desktop files |
| 19:05.16 | Alethes | aseigoo: yeah, I found that lastnight |
| 19:05.21 | Alethes | it's just a list of the .desktop files to use, right? |
| 19:05.23 | lignux | This is much easier, I tried that first |
| 19:05.29 | Alethes | ok |
| 19:05.33 | Alethes | I'll just add'em to the menu then |
| 19:05.34 | Alethes | :) |
| 19:05.34 | aseigoo | Alethes: in any case.. yes, you have to either create a .desktop file iin the menu (you can set visible to false if you wish) to make it work |
| 19:05.41 | Alethes | a cool |
| 19:05.48 | Alethes | ah cool, I mean :) |
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| 19:28.26 | notsio | any idea how i can use semicondensed fonts in konsole? |
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| 19:29.21 | yannux | I' ve just seen that konversation is link with kontact module for adressbook, is it possible with kopete too ? |
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| 19:33.32 | t35t0r | is there anyway to open up multiple instances of konqueror so that the cookies are in a different space using tabs? |
| 19:34.25 | t35t0r | for example if i have multiple email accounts at yahoo or gmail? |
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| 19:37.40 | lignux | Is there any way to compile KDE programs with a prefix=/usr/local when KDE is installed to /opt/kde? |
| 19:38.08 | t35t0r | check configure --help ? |
| 19:38.24 | lignux | no |
| 19:38.45 | lignux | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local give an error message |
| 19:39.03 | lignux | Saying that I shouldn't install it there or it might not work. |
| 19:39.28 | t35t0r | and so it stopped compiling because of that? |
| 19:39.45 | Bille_away | lignux: read the build notes on kopete.kde.org - we explain it there |
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| 19:39.52 | Bille_away | use KDEDIRS |
| 19:41.03 | lignux | Can I just set KDEDIRS=/usr/local:/opt/kde? Will that mess anything up? |
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| 19:42.23 | alejandro | hi |
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| 19:44.11 | _knoppix | i have a problem when upgrading to 3.4 |
| 19:44.31 | _knoppix | some menu entries started repeating |
| 19:44.51 | _knoppix | now (for example) on the hard disk icon I have two times "Unmount" |
| 19:44.55 | _knoppix | any ideas? |
| 19:45.59 | bd2 | _knoppix.. try to mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_old , you will start with fresh ~/.kde |
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| 19:47.04 | _knoppix | no, it`s global. I have only /etc/skel . When I start my knoppix remaster it copies it to /home |
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| 19:48.02 | bd2 | ah.. it's knoppix.. /me don't know the right answer |
| 19:48.19 | netmask | hello! I have a parallel por scanner, and I'm trying to use Kooka, but I don't know how to scan images, or even how to know if Kooka has recognized the device... any one can help? |
| 19:50.26 | Alethes | man, I'm such an idiot -- I was trying to figure out why somebody would want to scan parallel ports |
| 19:50.56 | Alethes | I'm a little slow, apparently |
| 19:51.26 | bd2 | :-) |
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| 19:52.23 | Blissex | Alethes: english is a bit like that... People should use hyphens a bit more often I guess. |
| 19:53.36 | Blissex | Alethes: consider the different ''parallel-port scanner'' ''parallel port-scanner'' ''scanner on a parallel-port'' :-) |
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| 19:53.49 | Alethes | yep |
| 19:53.52 | Alethes | good point |
| 19:54.27 | Blissex | Alethes: sometimes newspapers publish great jokes inadvertenly in that way :-) |
| 19:54.38 | Alethes | yeah, there was one I saw the other day |
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| 19:54.42 | Alethes | I can't remember what it was though |
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| 19:54.59 | Alethes | it happens all the time, of course |
| 19:55.05 | netmask | :/ |
| 19:55.23 | netmask | hello! I have a scanner connected to my PC's parallel port, and I'm trying to use Kooka, but I don't know how to scan images, or even how to know if Kooka has recognized the device... any one can help? |
| 19:55.31 | netmask | better? :/ |
| 19:55.36 | Alethes | hehehe |
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| 19:57.37 | netmask | anyway, any one can help? |
| 19:58.01 | Alethes | nope. You're already asked the question and we misunderstood your intent. |
| 19:58.12 | Alethes | your one question limit is wasted :) |
| 19:58.21 | Alethes | or should I say "one-question" :) |
| 19:58.33 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 19:58.40 | Alethes | actually, I'd be glad to help, but I don't have a scanner, so I'm not much use |
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| 19:59.28 | netmask | if you can't or don't want to help, why bothering about how I wrote? |
| 20:00.02 | Alethes | to make noise and feel relevant |
| 20:00.08 | netmask | :/ |
| 20:01.21 | Alethes | sorry man, I was mostly commenting on my lack of intelligence earlier |
| 20:01.44 | slayerbob | heh |
| 20:01.56 | Alethes | I am in Canada after all |
| 20:02.00 | Alethes | gotta cut me some slack |
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| 20:02.30 | Alethes | I'm a texan living in canada -- canadians think Texans are idiots and Texans think the Canadians are idiots |
| 20:02.38 | Alethes | I'm without an ally now |
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| 20:03.18 | Kryczek | hi! any idea why I can't hear system notifications in KDE 3.4.0, even though my artsd is working ok? I can hear them only if I tell KDE to use an external player (mplayer), but then the sound come seconds too late |
| 20:04.26 | Paleo | it's because mplayer startup is long, use "play" from sox |
| 20:04.28 | slayerbob | Kryczek: what happens if you try to play a .wav from konsole using artsplay name_of_wave_file.wav ? |
| 20:06.17 | Alethes | play doesn't work with arts |
| 20:06.24 | Alethes | you have to use artsplay, but it lags too |
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| 20:09.43 | lignux | Is $KDEDIR different from $KDEDIRS? |
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| 20:10.11 | richmoore | yes, $KDEDIR is deprecated and only supports a single directory |
| 20:10.29 | lignux | Thank you |
| 20:10.35 | richmoore | no problem |
| 20:14.15 | lignux | I have $KDEDIRS set to /usr/local/kde:/opt/kde (the former being where I installed locally compiled KDE apps, and the latter where I installed KDE), as set by /etc/profile. I sourced /etc/profile and ran kbuildsycoca, but KDE still doesn't recognize those locally compiled and installed KDE apps (as per Run command) |
| 20:14.55 | Kryczek | slayerbob: it works |
| 20:15.06 | yannux | I' ve just seen that konversation is link with kontact module for adressbook, is it possible with kopete too ? |
| 20:15.35 | slayerbob | Kryczek: ok now try playing a .ogg file by the same method |
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| 20:15.58 | Kryczek | slayerbob: i don't think the problem comes from the arts daemon; because in the Settings -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System panel, when i click on Test Sound, it works |
| 20:16.03 | Kryczek | slayerbob: ok |
| 20:16.06 | slayerbob | hiya sredna |
| 20:16.15 | lignux | Does anyone know how I can get KDE to recognize those apps? |
| 20:16.15 | slayerbob | Kryczek: ah ok |
| 20:16.29 | Kryczek | slayerbob: works, the ogg is playing |
| 20:16.35 | Kryczek | OpenBSD34.ogg :) |
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| 20:17.32 | slayerbob | Kryczek: in that case just remove mplayer from Kcontrol/Sound&Multimedia/System Notifications/PlayerSettings |
| 20:17.32 | Kryczek | my computer doesn't start! |
| 20:17.34 | jcurry | :) |
| 20:17.37 | Kryczek | :) |
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| 20:18.31 | jcurry | aaah! why would you have mplayer there in the first place? |
| 20:18.52 | Kryczek | i didn't add it |
| 20:19.17 | Kryczek | there are 3 options: use artsd, use an external player (mplayer was already there as the default), and use no sound |
| 20:19.22 | Pupeno | I'm using a cups on another computer, I've sent the job and now I want to cancel it, from this computer, I can't, from that computer as another user, I can't, from that computer as root (administration mode), the job doesn't appear, how should I cancel it ? |
| 20:19.32 | lignux | richmoore: Do you know how I can get KDE to recognize those apps? |
| 20:19.40 | jcurry | Pupeno, |
| 20:19.49 | jcurry | Pupeno, have you tried the web interface? |
| 20:19.58 | Kryczek | jcurry: slayerbob: my settings left over from KDE3.2 (where it was working) were to have artsd play the system notifications |
| 20:20.07 | richmoore | lignux: which apps? |
| 20:20.10 | Pupeno | jcurry: no, I expected to be able to do it from kde's interface. |
| 20:20.15 | Kryczek | but since I installed KDE3.4, it doesn't output any sound |
| 20:20.26 | lignux | richmoore: Scroll up, I typed a long explaination |
| 20:20.27 | Kryczek | only if I switch to the "use an external player" option |
| 20:20.36 | jcurry | Pupeno, oh, no idea, sorry |
| 20:20.41 | Kryczek | and then, it takes a few seconds before it plays each sound |
| 20:20.47 | Kryczek | i guess the startup time of mplayer |
| 20:21.08 | Pupeno | jcurry: anyway, from the web: |
| 20:21.11 | Pupeno | Error: client-error-forbidden |
| 20:21.14 | jcurry | wouldn't 'sox' do a better job? |
| 20:21.25 | Alethes | play doesn't work with arts |
| 20:21.37 | Alethes | artsplay still lags for me |
| 20:21.38 | jcurry | Pupeno, sounds like a conf file misconfiguration |
| 20:21.50 | Alethes | so I just disable the notification sounds |
| 20:21.52 | Kryczek | slayerbob: artsplay of an ogg in the console works, but now with my Kcontrol/Sound&Multimedia/System Notifications/PlayerSettings back to artsd, it doesn't work any better |
| 20:21.53 | jcurry | Pupeno, personally, i think #cups is a great resource |
| 20:22.31 | Pupeno | jcurry: personally, I don't. |
| 20:22.57 | richmoore | lignux: make sure your path includes /usr/local/kde/bin |
| 20:23.00 | jcurry | Pupeno, they helped me before! |
| 20:23.08 | lignux | richmoore: ok |
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| 20:23.24 | Pupeno | jcurry: ok, good for you then. I've never got a reply. |
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| 20:25.01 | Kryczek | slayerbob: jcurry: any idea how i could get some debug info from the Kcontrol/Sound&Multimedia/System Notifications/PlayerSettings panel? Hell, i'd even run it with stace if only i knew which executable it was |
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| 20:25.38 | jcurry | Kryczek, no idea, sorry |
| 20:25.48 | richmoore | Kryczek: kdebugdialog --fullmode lets you configure the debug output |
| 20:26.24 | sredna | Hello |
| 20:26.25 | lignux | richmoore: Hm, it's in the path |
| 20:26.38 | richmoore | was it in the path when you started kde? |
| 20:26.48 | lignux | richmoore: No |
| 20:27.07 | Kryczek | richmoore: thx, it looks great |
| 20:27.12 | richmoore | you need to make sure it is in the path when the system starts |
| 20:27.42 | lignux | ok |
| 20:27.43 | lignux | brb |
| 20:28.06 | Kryczek | richmoore: but do you have any idea what i should select as debug area ? |
| 20:28.12 | Kryczek | for KControl applets |
| 20:29.07 | richmoore | 704-713 look like the ones at first glance |
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| 20:29.38 | richmoore | 780 and 1208 also look useful to you |
| 20:30.26 | Pupeno | I'm using a cups on another computer, I've sent the job and now I want to cancel it, from this computer, I can't, from that computer as another user, I can't, from that computer as root (administration mode), the job doesn't appear, how should I cancel it ? |
| 20:30.55 | lignux | richmoore: That worked, thanks |
| 20:31.22 | richmoore | no problem |
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| 20:33.40 | Kryczek | richmoore: i just did that, outputting everything to syslog, and my /var/log/messages didnt change :| |
| 20:33.59 | richmoore | i've never tried using the syslog options |
| 20:34.09 | richmoore | they should work though |
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| 20:36.44 | jcurry | Kryczek, did you ever solve your problem? |
| 20:37.11 | richmoore | Kryczek: did you compile with --enable-debug? |
| 20:37.20 | jcurry | Kryczek, and would you happen to be using debian? |
| 20:37.39 | s3m10s | anyone know what k3b does when it starts up? as root mine locks the machine |
| 20:37.44 | jcurry | Kryczek, http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/03/msg00133.html seems to point right at your problem |
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| 20:37.59 | jcurry | s3m10s, k3b does a bunch of stuff when it starts up |
| 20:37.59 | richmoore | Kryczek: because if i start kcontrol from a console and select that module i get lots of output |
| 20:38.25 | s3m10s_ | does it scan devices in /dev? |
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| 20:38.41 | Kryczek | richmoore: i just did that, and get none |
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| 20:38.54 | Kryczek | richmoore: mind if i copy/paste you a few lines of the strace output in private ? |
| 20:38.57 | richmoore | Kryczek: sounds like you have compiled with debugging disabled |
| 20:38.57 | s3m10s_ | ug |
| 20:39.14 | richmoore | Kryczek: i doubt i can help much - i don't know anything about arts |
| 20:39.23 | Kryczek | ah, k |
| 20:39.32 | Kryczek | i'll check the debian link |
| 20:40.35 | jcurry | Kryczek, try deleting ~/.kde/share/config/knotify{.eventsrc,rc} |
| 20:40.40 | Kryczek | richmoore: on the ML the guy says artsplay doesnt work |
| 20:40.42 | Kryczek | but here, it does |
| 20:40.43 | jcurry | they'll regenerate |
| 20:40.51 | Kryczek | jcurry: k |
| 20:42.07 | Kryczek | jcurry: no difference |
| 20:42.29 | Kryczek | i'm even wondering if it remembered my customed settings... i'll check that now |
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| 20:43.16 | jcurry | Kryczek, sorry, then...no idea |
| 20:43.22 | s3m10s_ | so why could k3b as root and k3bsetup hardlock my machine? if i do chmod 0666 /dev/dvd, i can run k3b and burn with no problems |
| 20:43.42 | Kryczek | jcurry: those files are not where it saves the config... it remembered a setting that i just added, and then i remove the files |
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| 20:46.03 | r00tsh3ll | why kopete stops the download when i close the conversation window? |
| 20:46.56 | jcurry | r00tsh3ll, kopete stops the download when you close the conversation window. |
| 20:47.01 | jcurry | feature, not bug |
| 20:47.11 | r00tsh3ll | wow!! kopete site has been closed |
| 20:47.14 | r00tsh3ll | Closed for patent infringement |
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| 20:48.14 | jcurry | shit happens |
| 20:48.17 | Alethes | whose patents? |
| 20:48.24 | r00tsh3ll | http://kopete.kde.org |
| 20:48.27 | r00tsh3ll | look there |
| 20:48.28 | VexX | There not... read it thoroughyly |
| 20:48.36 | jcurry | VexX, you ruined it |
| 20:48.39 | VexX | there is a link at the bottom of the page |
| 20:48.40 | VexX | LOL |
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| 20:48.44 | jcurry | VexX, we coulda had some fun... |
| 20:48.46 | VexX | Sowwwwy |
| 20:48.48 | VexX | hehehhe |
| 20:48.59 | VexX | Just smack the shit out of me.. then.. LOL |
| 20:49.18 | r00tsh3ll | ehehe |
| 20:49.39 | VexX | It fooled me at first tho.. :) |
| 20:49.45 | r00tsh3ll | jcurry, is there a way to keep the download active and close the conversation window? |
| 20:49.47 | lignux | Can anyone think of a hack to get amaroK to work if it wasn't installed with the same prefix as KDE? |
| 20:50.08 | r00tsh3ll | the same happened to mplayer website |
| 20:50.12 | jcurry | r00tsh3ll, no idea, try #kopete |
| 20:50.24 | r00tsh3ll | jcurry, i tried : |
| 20:50.26 | r00tsh3ll | :/ |
| 20:50.40 | lignux | r00tsh3ll: What's the issue? |
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| 20:51.01 | r00tsh3ll | lignux, is there a way to keep the download active and close the conversation window? |
| 20:51.14 | Alethes | it's the same thing as they were doing a while back -- posting black pages in protest of software patents |
| 20:51.47 | r00tsh3ll | i see |
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| 20:52.04 | lignux | r00tsh3ll: I didn't know what was an issue |
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| 20:58.11 | LikesHisLunch | Hi ... i'm running KDE 3.4 on Ubuntu Hoary... how does Kcontrol populate itself with modules - because mine is empty except for "Internet & Network", and that itself is empty. |
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| 21:00.26 | sredna | LikesHisLunch: The data is gathered from the kde application .desktop files |
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| 21:03.03 | LikesHisLunch | sredna: sorry, which .desktop files? |
| 21:03.48 | sredna | LikesHisLunch: In standard KDE they are stored under $KDEDIR/share/applications/ |
| 21:03.58 | LikesHisLunch | sredna: thanks |
| 21:04.01 | sredna | LikesHisLunch: But I'm not sure about debian based applications |
| 21:04.40 | sredna | LikesHisLunch: Have you experienced the problem several times? Because it works fine in kubunto to my experience. |
| 21:05.28 | lignux | Does Juk support plugins? |
| 21:05.29 | LikesHisLunch | sredna: well, strictly this is an Ubuntu Hoary install, but I've tried reinstalling KDE a few times to get it fixed... but it didn't help :( |
| 21:06.25 | sredna | LikesHisLunch: Do you have a home directory from a previous install? Does it work if you try with a blank user account?? |
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| 21:09.26 | Blissex | LikesHisLunch: have you tried to install KDE yourself? |
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| 21:09.44 | jcurry | aseigo, is this true? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39164634,00.htm |
| 21:09.45 | LikesHisLunch | sredna: I'll try that, thanks |
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| 21:09.55 | LikesHisLunch | Blissex: i'm installing from Ubuntu repositories |
| 21:10.17 | Blissex | LikesHisLunch: then it should ''just work''... That would be KUbuntu? |
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| 21:10.39 | derekkite | anyone want to do something useful? |
| 21:10.56 | sredna | derekkite: Such as? |
| 21:11.01 | derekkite | I need to port the statistics generating code to svn |
| 21:11.08 | sredna | Heh |
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| 21:11.15 | derekkite | and it looks like time is of the essence |
| 21:12.01 | derekkite | pretty straightforward, i've got a php class that reads the svn logs, just a matter of looping through and building an xml file that the statistics page can use |
| 21:12.58 | lignux | Augh! kmail is telling me `cannot find process pop3s' again! |
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| 21:13.40 | s3m10s | so any ideas why root access to k3b kills my maching? |
| 21:14.58 | sredna | derekkite: And how would that involve others? |
| 21:15.18 | derekkite | sredna: labour |
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| 21:15.43 | derekkite | sredna: I've got to get the other stuff working, and probably won't have the time to get it finished |
| 21:15.54 | sredna | derekkite: Before when? |
| 21:16.06 | LikesHisLunch | sredna: same problem as a new user |
| 21:16.09 | derekkite | sredna: looks like the switch is happening on the 31st |
| 21:16.14 | derekkite | of march |
| 21:16.31 | sredna | derekkite: April 1st announcement:o |
| 21:16.38 | derekkite | yup |
| 21:16.41 | sredna | I haven't even installed svn yet |
| 21:16.53 | derekkite | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=111157027418802&w=2 |
| 21:17.16 | sredna | Yea, I read the thread, but didn't interpret it as a final descision |
| 21:19.09 | derekkite | sredna: heh. usually when coolo says "I start with suggesting March 31st" and there are no serious issues raised, then that is what happens. |
| 21:19.14 | derekkite | :) |
| 21:19.19 | sredna | Yes |
| 21:19.49 | sredna | I haven't really an opinion, except I'll miss cervisia |
| 21:20.02 | sredna | But they started adding svn support I read |
| 21:20.15 | richmoore | yes |
| 21:21.29 | apokryphos | Is it the kdelibs-data package that pulls in the modules for kcontrol? |
| 21:22.11 | njaard | I wonder how it will be taken if I agree to March 31, 2006 |
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| 21:24.35 | richmoore | derekkite: just a note on the cvs digest - i find the new version a bit too wide, anything you can do about that? |
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| 21:25.53 | richmoore | derekkite: and have you registered svgdigest.org? :-) |
| 21:26.44 | derekkite | richmoore: bah. too wide? 3.4? 3.3 had some serious issue that I tried to work around. |
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| 21:28.01 | richmoore | derekkite: it's the sidebar at the top, it forces things to the right |
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| 21:29.36 | derekkite | richmoore: the <pre> sections presumably are too wide. |
| 21:29.38 | saif | does any1 know of a program for ubuntu that works like dvd decrupter for windows?? |
| 21:29.51 | saif | does any1 know of a program for ubuntu that works like dvd decrupter for windows?? |
| 21:30.00 | Alethes | no1 knows |
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| 21:30.32 | richmoore | derekkite: yes, and the cvs commit summary |
| 21:31.03 | richmoore | derekkite: in fact in konq, the pre sections are ok - it's just the summary stuff |
| 21:32.07 | lignux | Is it possible to install noatun or juk to a separate prefix than arts? |
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| 21:33.57 | s3m10s | there are several dvdrip progs for linux |
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| 21:34.03 | s3m10s | drip, etc. |
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| 21:35.11 | df001 | Hey. Does anyone have problems with kmix crashing every time when playing a song in XMMS? |
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| 21:39.30 | derekkite | richmoore: I'll see what I can do. thanks |
| 21:39.42 | richmoore | thanks for looking into it |
| 21:39.57 | sirus | I'm running gentoo + kde 3.4 and I have a Microsoft Natural MultiMedia keyboard the keyboard works in console but when I get to kde desktop the right number keypad doesn't work is this an kde issue? |
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| 22:50.01 | df00z | Anyone have any ideas what could calse kmix/xmms to crash? #0 0xa6f9eb08 in snd_mixer_elem_empty () from /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 I did a BT on xmms, kmix is just a bunch of ???s |
| 22:51.47 | PhilRod | df00z: have you looked at the sound troubleshooting section in the FAQ? (see topic) |
| 22:52.02 | StevenR | df00z: something wrong with your alsa? |
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| 22:52.11 | df00z | Hmm |
| 22:52.13 | df00z | it seems it almost |
| 22:52.15 | PhilRod | it probably won't have the solution to your problem, but should help you find the source of the problem |
| 22:52.18 | df00z | but i just reinstalled alsa |
| 22:52.20 | df00z | libs |
| 22:52.23 | df00z | and alsa-driver is part of the kernel |
| 22:52.26 | df00z | which i also just rebuilt |
| 22:52.33 | df00z | this happened after trying to upgrade my toolchain in gentoo |
| 22:53.10 | df00z | PhillRod: Ill look.. |
| 22:53.21 | PhilRod | well, if xmms crashes too, it's probably a system problem, for which you should ask in #gentoo |
| 22:53.38 | df00z | #gentoo doesnt know |
| 22:53.39 | df00z | ;\ |
| 22:53.41 | StevenR | PhilRod: when is 3.4.1 coming out? |
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| 22:54.13 | PhilRod | dunno StevenR - someone asked on one of the mailing lists the other day, but didn't get a reply AFAIK |
| 22:54.17 | PhilRod | why d'you ask? |
| 22:54.20 | df00z | but kmix seems to crash with a libthread problem |
| 22:54.26 | df00z | im sure alsa uses libthread |
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| 22:54.42 | df00z | libthread is part of glibc right?> |
| 22:54.46 | StevenR | df00z: maybe reinstall alsa-libs? they probably need to be compiled to use the new alsa drivers as you've updated your kernel? |
| 22:55.05 | df00z | StevenR: did that ;\ |
| 22:55.05 | PhilRod | df00z: this is sounding more and more like a problem with your system and not KDE |
| 22:55.14 | StevenR | PhilRod: i ask cos akregator has a bigish bug in it that will be fixed in 3.4.1 |
| 22:55.50 | df00z | it most likly is something with my system :\ |
| 22:55.57 | PhilRod | StevenR: well, you can check out KDE_3_4_BRANCH if you want the fix now (and you're not averse to compiling) |
| 22:56.02 | df00z | Or KDE being built w/ some broken lib |
| 22:56.19 | tbarkley | what is the file extension that theme manager is looking for with the install theme dialog? .themerc? |
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| 22:56.39 | df00z | heheh kde's composite mgr with nvidia is pretty terrifying too |
| 22:56.42 | PhilRod | StevenR: hehe, it's actually pretty stable |
| 22:56.55 | df00z | it looks nice but that crashes incessantly with renderaccel on |
| 22:57.17 | PhilRod | df00z: that's an x.org issue, not a KDE one (just to clarify) |
| 22:57.26 | df00z | Ah, really? |
| 22:57.36 | tbarkley | df00z: try xcompmgr |
| 22:57.39 | chavo | StevenR, I build from cvs about once a week. |
| 22:58.04 | PhilRod | df00z: well, all the composite stuff is handled by X, and it's still experimental |
| 22:58.33 | StevenR | chavo: i dont have time to do that unfortunately |
| 22:58.48 | apokryphos | with the affects from kcontrol it's pretty sweet |
| 22:58.51 | chavo | StevenR, I do it while I'm at work. |
| 22:59.45 | thingy | Has anyone noticed a minor issue when using kde when launched via kdm....The issue is that if you choose to end the current session, i.e. log out, everything happens as you expect, and you eventually get a blank screen and your expecting kdm to pop up but instead you see the kicker panel again (which is interactive at the point so its not a ghost image) and then again you see a blank screen a few seconds later when finally kdm pops up. |
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| 22:59.47 | vi_ | hello. |
| 23:00.03 | thingy | I think somewhere along the lines, its starting up the kicker again.. |
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| 23:00.10 | thingy | i thinks thats the issue |
| 23:00.23 | vi_ | has anyone seen problems with an "X Error: BadWindow" with amarok? (or other kde apps?) |
| 23:00.49 | PhilRod | vi_: does amarok start up and work correctly? |
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| 23:01.03 | vi_ | it starts up, starts to do *something* and after a second or two |
| 23:01.07 | vi_ | crashes with a message about a BadWindow |
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| 23:01.14 | vi_ | Major opcode: 7 |
| 23:01.37 | PhilRod | try creating a new user. Start KDE and amarok with that user. Does it work? |
| 23:01.44 | vi_ | haven't tried that |
| 23:01.52 | vi_ | would blowing away .kde work as well? |
| 23:02.13 | Alethes | just mv it temporarily |
| 23:02.19 | Alethes | rather than rm, if that's what you wanna try |
| 23:02.21 | PhilRod | vi_: maybe, but better to create a new user - and don't delete .kde, just mv it |
| 23:02.53 | vi_ | do KDE apps work fine inside gnome? |
| 23:03.06 | PhilRod | yes |
| 23:03.25 | PhilRod | (well, at least, I see no reason why they would not) |
| 23:03.37 | derekkite | vi_: .kde could have some important stuff stored. mv is better |
| 23:03.45 | PhilRod | but disclaimer: I've never used gnome |
| 23:03.45 | Alethes | they work, but they launch slower |
| 23:04.01 | vi_ | it seemed unlikely that it would have made a difference with something like this, but i had to ask |
| 23:04.05 | apokryphos | PhilRod: never ever? ;-) |
| 23:04.28 | vi_ | i moved .kde to a different name and tried it and got the same error |
| 23:04.28 | vi_ | (didn't create a new user yet) |
| 23:04.30 | PhilRod | apokryphos: maybe once very briefly when I was just starting out with linux, but not since |
| 23:04.36 | apokryphos | PhilRod: scared you might be converted to the dark-side? :P |
| 23:04.47 | PhilRod | apokryphos: which would have been, what, five years ago? |
| 23:04.50 | PhilRod | hehe |
| 23:05.18 | PhilRod | more that I'm too lazy to figure out all the *"&*% millions of packages :-) |
| 23:05.18 | Kryczek | dammit |
| 23:05.27 | apokryphos | Had to try it originally with Ubuntu (didn't originallyc ome with kde); reminded me why I love KDE. |
| 23:05.38 | apokryphos | *originally come |
| 23:06.25 | PhilRod | Kryczek: heh, I highlight on "phil", so when they were talking about philosophy here... |
| 23:06.27 | vi_ | i can't find anywhere that tells me what the X opcodes are |
| 23:07.12 | Kryczek | PhilRod: hah :) |
| 23:07.30 | apokryphos | Kryczek: sorry ;) |
| 23:07.33 | Kryczek | vi_: X opcodes ? |
| 23:07.42 | vi_ | yeah, the error says: X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 23:07.42 | vi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.50 | Kryczek | oh |
| 23:07.57 | Kryczek | thought u were talking about assembly |
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| 23:08.48 | the_slash | hey d00ds |
| 23:08.56 | the_slash | my clock is fscked up |
| 23:08.58 | Kryczek | vi_: perhaps installing a new version of your X server will prove to be of less effort |
| 23:09.05 | PhilRod | the_slash: put new batteries in it |
| 23:09.05 | Kryczek | the_slash: so ? |
| 23:09.08 | the_slash | lol |
| 23:09.09 | Kryczek | hahaha |
| 23:09.14 | the_slash | the kde clock |
| 23:09.15 | the_slash | lol |
| 23:09.27 | Kryczek | mine works real fine |
| 23:09.27 | the_slash | its annoying |
| 23:09.36 | Kryczek | the_slash: how fucked up ? |
| 23:09.40 | PhilRod | describe what's wrong with it |
| 23:09.42 | the_slash | well |
| 23:09.47 | MistPM | someone knows a software for kde that it converts file divx in vob? |
| 23:09.49 | the_slash | it thinks its 2:43 |
| 23:09.51 | the_slash | lol |
| 23:09.57 | the_slash | its like 6:09 |
| 23:10.05 | Kryczek | MistPM: why would you want to do that ? |
| 23:10.14 | PhilRod | the_slash: what does "date" say? |
| 23:10.20 | MistPM | for burning dvd films |
| 23:10.28 | the_slash | lemme check |
| 23:10.33 | Kryczek | MistPM: most of DVD players play DivX's now... |
| 23:10.35 | the_slash | 26 |
| 23:10.40 | the_slash | thinks its sunday |
| 23:10.41 | the_slash | lol |
| 23:10.48 | Kryczek | the_slash: install ntpdate |
| 23:10.56 | the_slash | alright |
| 23:10.57 | MistPM | Kryczek: yes but i don't hav divx player for home |
| 23:11.04 | the_slash | is there an ebuild for that? |
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| 23:11.13 | Kryczek | MistPM: burning divx's on a dvd is... SICK |
| 23:11.27 | MistPM | :D |
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| 23:11.34 | Kryczek | ^^ |
| 23:11.46 | MistPM | you know software for my problem? |
| 23:11.54 | t35t0r | well i upgraded to konqueror/kde 3.4 gmail is still broken in standard mode . |
| 23:12.08 | Kryczek | same |
| 23:12.14 | t35t0r | any ideas on how to get it working? |
| 23:12.23 | Kryczek | i talked to Konqueror's maintainer a while ago |
| 23:12.26 | PhilRod | t35t0r: have you tried changing the user agent? |
| 23:12.31 | xzz | Night boys and girls! |
| 23:12.32 | MistPM | t35t0r: use mozilla |
| 23:12.32 | t35t0r | PhilRod, hehe yes |
| 23:12.32 | Kryczek | he told me he would add support for Gmail |
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| 23:12.38 | t35t0r | MistPM, yes |
| 23:12.41 | Kryczek | but apparently he didn't fully succeed |
| 23:12.53 | t35t0r | i don't think he tried |
| 23:12.55 | Kryczek | PhilRod: it's completely bugged, it's not a UA issue |
| 23:13.04 | MistPM | konqueror not support 100% functionality for gmail |
| 23:13.13 | t35t0r | it works in html mode |
| 23:13.17 | MistPM | yes |
| 23:13.22 | Kryczek | t35t0r: he did, with Konqueror under 3.2 i couldn't even access my mailbox |
| 23:13.28 | Kryczek | it would get stuck after login |
| 23:13.37 | t35t0r | ahh well that much works at least |
| 23:13.48 | PhilRod | the_slash: does running the "date" command in a konsole give you the correct time? |
| 23:13.48 | t35t0r | but not going to settings |
| 23:13.52 | MistPM | t35t0r: if yuo traing to clik on setting don't work |
| 23:13.59 | MistPM | yes |
| 23:14.06 | MistPM | on mozilla work it |
| 23:14.07 | Kryczek | i can't even open mails lol |
| 23:14.11 | Kryczek | yes in firefox it works |
| 23:14.17 | MistPM | yes |
| 23:14.24 | Kryczek | but i waaaaaaaaaaaaay prefer konqueror over firefox |
| 23:14.32 | t35t0r | yeah in firefox it works,, but using UA mozilla , standar mode -> setting (and many other links are broken) |
| 23:14.35 | PhilRod | trawling the bugs database is worthwhile for this sort of thing |
| 23:14.51 | PhilRod | there's often some useful discussion, perhaps workarounds, etc |
| 23:15.16 | MistPM | the problem is gmail that not support konqueror |
| 23:15.27 | t35t0r | HAHAH |
| 23:15.30 | Kryczek | t35t0r: Gmail is not written in standard html etc |
| 23:15.40 | MistPM | :D |
| 23:15.41 | Kryczek | so it's Gmail's fault |
| 23:15.47 | t35t0r | why should Gmail support a browser for 0.00000001% of the market |
| 23:16.04 | t35t0r | sometimes i think you guys live in mars |
| 23:16.09 | Alethes | are you still being annoying as hell, t35t0r? |
| 23:16.15 | Kryczek | t35t0r: firefox is like 5% of the market |
| 23:16.21 | t35t0r | Alethes, yea after someone told me to upgrade to 3.4 |
| 23:16.22 | MistPM | t35t0r: you ask the admin for google :D |
| 23:16.29 | t35t0r | Alethes, i did for the past few hours |
| 23:16.37 | t35t0r | Alethes, unfortunately it didn't help |
| 23:16.38 | the_slash | well |
| 23:16.44 | the_slash | its fixed |
| 23:16.46 | the_slash | for now |
| 23:16.54 | Alethes | :) <--this is me not giving a shit |
| 23:17.06 | the_slash | ah |
| 23:17.07 | t35t0r | oh well continue to use firefox |
| 23:17.12 | t35t0r | konq as file browser |
| 23:17.15 | the_slash | dates wrong |
| 23:17.23 | the_slash | thats why its fscked up |
| 23:18.17 | PhilRod | the_slash: well, like someone else said, set it correctly (with 'date' or 'hwclock', I forget which), then grab ntpdate to keep it in sync |
| 23:18.38 | MistPM | t35t0r: but konqueror is good broweser for many site only for gmail have problem |
| 23:18.38 | MistPM | :D |
| 23:18.39 | t35t0r | actually the only reason why i tried to get into konqueror is because its integration with other kde apps |
| 23:19.02 | t35t0r | MistPM, some key sites that i use daily are messed up |
| 23:19.13 | MistPM | :) |
| 23:19.25 | PhilRod | t35t0r: if you find particular sites that don't work, please file a bug on bugs.kde.org |
| 23:19.31 | t35t0r | PhilRod, hahah |
| 23:19.41 | t35t0r | been there done that |
| 23:19.42 | PhilRod | t35t0r: "haha" what? |
| 23:20.08 | t35t0r | actually know i just try to talk directly to thiago |
| 23:20.12 | t35t0r | s/know/now |
| 23:20.47 | t35t0r | but its always the same "excuse" their site is broken |
| 23:21.37 | t35t0r | computer "standards" are driven by market demand |
| 23:21.43 | t35t0r | IMHO |
| 23:22.14 | t35t0r | why? because they usually don't have an effect on whether someone lives or dies |
| 23:22.37 | t35t0r | bleh just my 2c |
| 23:23.00 | PhilRod | well then scratch your itch - you've got the source, access to (many of) the people who wrote it - make it work |
| 23:23.24 | t35t0r | firefox didn't make it to 5% market share by saying the site is broken |
| 23:23.49 | t35t0r | kde is a powerful force in bringing linux to desktop ..and the browser is integral component |
| 23:24.06 | Stof | standards are like spoken language |
| 23:24.22 | Stof | when you break them, it's like trying to understand some bad case of SMS style mixedwith elite speek |
| 23:25.03 | thingy | gaaah reading testor whine...i forgot what I was doing! damn you! |
| 23:25.10 | t35t0r | ahh so dialects are "bad cases of SMS style mixedwith elite speek" ? |
| 23:25.23 | t35t0r | Stof, i'm sure you speak multiple languages yes? |
| 23:25.37 | Stof | multiple as in 4 ? |
| 23:25.50 | Stof | although my spanish might be a little rusty by now |
| 23:25.59 | t35t0r | yea ..so you should understand that languages are as volatile as standards |
| 23:26.04 | t35t0r | or can be bent |
| 23:27.07 | Stof | well, it sure doesn't help to understand your neighbour if the languages are too volatile |
| 23:28.30 | Alethes | t35t0r: asd9fk3 adk fiekfd d0 |
| 23:28.46 | t35t0r | having fun mashing on the keys? |
| 23:28.53 | the_slash | how do i change the time zone with date? |
| 23:29.15 | t35t0r | the_slash, i think it has to be done differently depending on your distro |
| 23:29.17 | straw | t35t0r: just compensate for Alethes' errors ;) |
| 23:29.26 | the_slash | hmmm |
| 23:29.31 | the_slash | it wont change |
| 23:29.55 | the_slash | i keep putting the date then +%Z EST but it says to many non options |
| 23:30.02 | thingy | the_slash: whats /etc/localtime point to? its a symlink! |
| 23:30.12 | t35t0r | heh that's so not a good analogy for comparing "broken" websites with konqueror certified websites |
| 23:30.26 | t35t0r | but i assure you when i'm making websites i'll be sure to have the konq certified |
| 23:30.37 | Alethes | t35t0r: that's my volatile language that you need to parse and figure out what I wanted to say |
| 23:30.54 | Alethes | even though you are .000000000000000001% of the world population |
| 23:31.12 | the_slash | i dont have /etc/localtime |
| 23:31.13 | Alethes | and I'm am just another .000000000000000001% |
| 23:31.30 | thingy | the_slash: eh? lemme check that filename...it should be there |
| 23:32.01 | t35t0r | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Feb 9 05:27 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT |
| 23:32.03 | thingy | the_slash: yep it should be /etc/localtime and it should point to something in /usr/share/zoneinfor/* |
| 23:32.19 | the_slash | maybe thats the prob |
| 23:32.30 | the_slash | im gonna try and set the symlink myself |
| 23:32.32 | the_slash | brb |
| 23:33.17 | thingy | the_slash: if thats not setup then the clocks is usually deemed to be setup as local time and hence no manipulation is done on it wrt time zones |
| 23:33.55 | Tpo1 | woah... after 4 hours, Konstruct build fizzled |
| 23:34.30 | thingy | Tpo1: it was prob. solar radiation or a comic radiation...the source is fine! :-) |
| 23:34.47 | Tpo1 | I'm sure heh |
| 23:34.52 | straw | t35t0r: if you follow standards, the only broken browser will be IE. problem is 90% of folks browsing the web are using IE, so many sites only care about IE |
| 23:35.10 | the_slash | yeah its not working |
| 23:35.12 | t35t0r | t35t0r computer "standards" are driven by market demand |
| 23:35.13 | the_slash | :( |
| 23:35.33 | t35t0r | straw: t35t0r firefox didn't make it to 5% market share by saying the site is broken |
| 23:36.04 | straw | if the site author uses iis/frontpage, whose browser do you think will work while others are broken |
| 23:36.20 | t35t0r | straw, ahh i can show you one such webpage now ..its nasty frontpage bloat |
| 23:36.28 | t35t0r | i;ve never seen any bloat so bad as this |
| 23:36.31 | Tpo1 | it choked on X headers or something |
| 23:36.43 | the_slash | well i gotta go all |
| 23:36.45 | the_slash | cya |
| 23:36.49 | t35t0r | you can't see the menu |
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| 23:37.28 | straw | kde doesn't care about market share as much as it does about doing the right thing. at least i hope so, anyway |
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| 23:37.42 | qstrtemp | hi |
| 23:37.57 | qstrtemp | anyone here tried to compile qt4 on redhat linux? |
| 23:40.54 | t35t0r | don't care about market share? "KDE seeks to fill the need for an easy to use desktop for Unix workstations, similar to the desktop environments found under the MacOS or Microsoft Windows...However, the lack of an easy to use contemporary desktop environment for UNIX has prevented UNIX from finding its way onto the desktops of the typical computer user in offices and homes...But UNIX did not address the needs of the average computer user...While there will alw |
| 23:40.54 | t35t0r | ays be room for improvement we believe to have delivered a viable alternative to some of the more commonly found and commercial operating systems/desktops combinations available today. It is our hope that the combination UNIX/KDE will finally bring the same open, reliable, stable and monopoly free computing to the average computer user that scientist and computing professionals world-wide have enjoyed for years." http://kde.org/whatiskde/ ...honestly I think s |
| 23:40.55 | t35t0r | ome people have lost their goal and agenda and become infatuated with standards ...don't be so hypocritical |
| 23:41.23 | t35t0r | straw: care to make stupid comments again? |
| 23:41.31 | straw | "...reliable, stable and monopoly free computing..." |
| 23:42.00 | t35t0r | stable and monopoly free ...i'll give it that much |
| 23:42.09 | t35t0r | easy to use yes |
| 23:42.15 | straw | yeah i can make stupid comments all day to a gentoo using n00b :D |
| 23:42.16 | t35t0r | but in the context of what we were saying |
| 23:42.47 | thingy | straw: I'll pretend you didnt insult gentoo..and so I'm powering down the death ray! |
| 23:43.04 | straw | hey, i give what i get... |
| 23:43.07 | t35t0r | and especially about what you said about "we don't care about market share" and what kde.org says about "the lack of an easy to use contemporary desktop environment for UNIX has prevented UNIX from finding its way onto the desktops of the typical computer user in offices and homes" |
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| 23:43.33 | t35t0r | doesn't linspire use kde as its make desktop? |
| 23:43.39 | t35t0r | s/make/main |
| 23:43.46 | qstrtemp | yes |
| 23:43.54 | uzimonkey | does "view document source" make another request? |
| 23:43.59 | qstrtemp | xandros also |
| 23:44.03 | uzimonkey | (in Konq) |
| 23:44.08 | qstrtemp | novell also |
| 23:44.19 | t35t0r | suse too & redhat yes? |
| 23:44.27 | qstrtemp | suse=novell |
| 23:44.27 | straw | not red hat |
| 23:44.34 | t35t0r | ahh yes you are right suse=novell |
| 23:44.38 | thingy | qstrtemp: just ask the question about qt4 and if its googlable of if some one knows the answer we'll respond |
| 23:44.55 | thingy | swap/of/or |
| 23:45.35 | thingy | yikes...did you check of high levels of solar flare activity? |
| 23:45.36 | t35t0r | well there's always the next release |
| 23:46.11 | thingy | swap/of/for grrr stupid of word. stop reappearing |
| 23:46.56 | qstrtemp | is there a bugzilla? |
| 23:47.00 | qstrtemp | for qt |
| 23:47.03 | qstrtemp | or mailling list? |
| 23:47.16 | t35t0r | bugs.kde.org |
| 23:47.22 | qstrtemp | thats for kde |
| 23:47.24 | qstrtemp | not qt |
| 23:47.25 | qstrtemp | ;) |
| 23:47.26 | chavo | qstrtemp, is qt4 even in beta yet? |
| 23:47.31 | qstrtemp | its beta 1 |
| 23:47.47 | t35t0r | trolltech? |
| 23:48.01 | qstrtemp | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12191 |
| 23:48.03 | qstrtemp | ya |
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| 23:48.46 | Tpo1 | it wasn't flares, it was that my PATH env variable was screwed up |
| 23:48.51 | qstrtemp | ../../src/core/tools/qbytearray.h:296: 'QBasicAtomic' is used as a type, but is |
| 23:48.51 | qstrtemp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.18 | chavo | qstrtemp, you get that building qt? |
| 23:52.26 | qstrtemp | yes |
| 23:52.49 | qstrtemp | i could paste the entire log |
| 23:52.51 | qstrtemp | if you want :P |
| 23:53.26 | chavo | no I don't think it would help, I'm not exactly an expert on these things |
| 23:53.32 | qstrtemp | i sent them a patch 12 month ago, and it wasn't incorporated |
| 23:53.41 | qstrtemp | i want to know if it can be added ad-hoc |
| 23:53.50 | qstrtemp | after the release without having BIC problem |
| 23:53.59 | qstrtemp | or if the current qstring is as efficient as my patch |
| 23:54.41 | chavo | well I think they're supposed to release another beta this month. |
| 23:54.51 | qstrtemp | i got this beta1 |
| 23:54.58 | qstrtemp | qt-x11-opensource-4.0.0-b1 |
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| 23:55.24 | thingy | qstrtemp: is your problem similar to this? http://lists.trolltech.com/qt4-preview-feedback/2004-12/thread00290-0.html also I searched this list for QBasicAtomic and found like 5 matches...but my quick scan of them didnt bring up anything related to your error message |
| 23:55.27 | qstrtemp | i guess nobody cares or is arak :P |
| 23:55.44 | qstrtemp | let me check |
| 23:56.25 | qstrtemp | i just need qstring |
| 23:56.29 | qstrtemp | and there related class |
| 23:57.08 | qstrtemp | thats a configuration problem on the list |
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| 23:57.26 | qstrtemp | qconfig.h is not defined by default |
| 23:57.34 | qstrtemp | you have to tell which one u want |
| 23:57.41 | qstrtemp | minimal,full... |
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| 23:59.15 | thingy | qstrtemp: you search the list, and post something there if you haven't found a solution in archives |
| 23:59.46 | qstrtemp | i guess qt developper are afaik |
