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| 00:09.01 | hasimir44 | ysm: are you able to save a playlist? if so, then how |
| 00:11.19 | MrGrim | kde rocks so much... I swear I dunno how I'd sanel yuse a computer w/o it |
| 00:12.23 | MrGrim | just felt like saying that.. |
| 00:13.24 | ysm | hasimir44: easy, I create whatever format with php.. |
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| 00:17.41 | hasimir44 | hmm... php? so you can change it remotely, nice.. |
| 00:18.16 | hasimir44 | i'm not able to create a playlist from mplayer, so can't say what format |
| 00:18.16 | hasimir44 | sorry |
| 00:19.15 | ysm | but mplayer can play playlist, just add the -playlist option |
| 00:19.58 | hasimir44 | yeah, and you can create a playlist, just no save option... |
| 00:20.25 | ysm | hum, kmplayer don't seem to like my actual format.. will try with asf maybe.. |
| 00:21.33 | ysm | hum, I found the format.. |
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| 00:22.15 | kilrae | hiya |
| 00:22.39 | kilrae | can somebody recommend kde 3.4 slack packages? |
| 00:23.03 | kilrae | i get to reinstall, yay |
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| 00:24.24 | kaka | hi |
| 00:24.29 | oleczek | kaka hi |
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| 00:24.41 | kaka | is there any kde money management program? |
| 00:25.04 | oleczek | sure there is |
| 00:25.11 | kaka | such as? |
| 00:25.14 | oleczek | use google luke! |
| 00:25.19 | kaka | oh.. |
| 00:25.20 | kaka | haha |
| 00:25.21 | kaka | google~ |
| 00:25.22 | kaka | icic.. |
| 00:25.34 | kaka | why didn't i thnk of it.. |
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| 00:27.01 | oleczek | kaka: remember, if you have kde, you should think in this way: |
| 00:27.18 | oleczek | 1) you want to manage your money = my money |
| 00:27.26 | oleczek | 2) it's kde, so you need to add K |
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| 00:27.37 | oleczek | 3) gg: kmymoney (kmymoney2-0.6.4) |
| 00:28.27 | oleczek | take look at phpmymoney and aqmoney too (they aren't qt) |
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| 00:29.21 | kaka | oh ok |
| 00:29.22 | kaka | thanks. :) |
| 00:30.00 | oleczek | np |
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| 00:30.36 | kilrae | no slackpacks? |
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| 00:32.56 | ysm | wow, that is so simple ! |
| 00:33.04 | oleczek | kilrae: no, slackware no longer supported, switch to xp |
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| 00:33.47 | MrGrim | btw does anyone know how slackware's maintainer is doing? |
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| 00:33.57 | ama | supossedly he recovered |
| 00:34.18 | kilrae | oh, i didn't know, right away then |
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| 00:36.32 | syamajala | i'm having trouble building kdelibs 3.4 |
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| 00:37.07 | syamajala | this is what i get |
| 00:37.08 | syamajala | http://pastebin.com/263179 |
| 00:37.21 | syamajala | jasper was built using -march=k8 -fPIC -O2 -pipe |
| 00:37.39 | syamajala | and i'm trying to build kdellibs with the same flags |
| 00:40.24 | SadEagle` | syamajala: sounds like the -fPIC didn't really take. But you can probably just skip that plugin --- or do you need JPEG2000 support? |
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| 00:40.52 | syamajala | SadEagle`, idk i'm making a package for a distro... |
| 00:41.01 | syamajala | what does jpeg2000 do? |
| 00:41.40 | SadEagle` | it's an image format... |
| 00:42.02 | syamajala | ah |
| 00:42.02 | kilrae | jp2000 scares me |
| 00:42.09 | syamajala | i think i'll just get rid of it |
| 00:42.14 | SadEagle` | but anyway, it sounds like the object file jpc_math.o in libjasper.a wasn't built with -fPIC |
| 00:42.20 | kilrae | the filesizes are smaller, it's not natural |
| 00:42.48 | SadEagle` | heh. too bad no one seems to use it |
| 00:43.10 | syamajala | just do --without-jpeg2000? |
| 00:43.15 | kilrae | because windows doesn't support it |
| 00:43.39 | kilrae | it's not going to take off when 97% of people can't view it |
| 00:43.42 | MrGrim | does anyone know a program to use to list what types of debug info are present in a file? |
| 00:44.09 | SadEagle` | hmm, MrGrim, you may be able to tell by the readelf list of sections |
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| 00:45.06 | SadEagle` | at least stabs has .stabs |
| 00:45.22 | SadEagle` | .stab, rather |
| 00:45.31 | SadEagle` | well, and I bet valgrind knows ;-) |
| 00:45.44 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: woo thanks a bunch |
| 00:45.58 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: I am in your debt :) |
| 00:45.58 | syamajala | is it --without-jpeg2000 or --disable-jpeg2000 |
| 00:47.44 | SadEagle` | MrGrim: now I feel like I should give a better answer |
| 00:48.02 | syamajala | because i sitll seem to be getting the error |
| 00:48.09 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: do you have one? |
| 00:48.22 | SadEagle` | looking for one. |
| 00:48.44 | MrGrim | don't waste any time on me |
| 00:48.49 | MrGrim | I was asking for someone else anyways |
| 00:49.00 | SadEagle` | well, valgrind comments have interesting info |
| 00:49.04 | MrGrim | we're trying to figure out why his exe with full debug is 24MB and mine is 2.4MB |
| 00:49.08 | MrGrim | both with full debug info |
| 00:49.10 | MrGrim | or so we think |
| 00:49.18 | SadEagle` | .stab, .stabstr, are stabs |
| 00:49.19 | MrGrim | so I wanna find a way to determine if mine has more debug info than his |
| 00:49.22 | SadEagle` | did he use -g3? |
| 00:49.48 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: dunno.. we both used the same configure parameters.. we are compiling konvi in kdeextragear-2 |
| 00:49.49 | SadEagle` | .debug_line is dwarf2, .debug, .line are dwarf1 |
| 00:49.53 | MrGrim | using --with-debug=full |
| 00:50.01 | SadEagle` | that's -g3. What gcc versions do you have? |
| 00:50.47 | MrGrim | sec |
| 00:51.43 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: me, gcc version 3.4.3-20050110 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3.20050110-r1, ssp-3.4.3.20050110-0, pie-8.7.7) and him, gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12) |
| 00:52.05 | SadEagle` | hmm, I can't imagine why 3.3 and 3.4 would have different size |
| 00:52.19 | MrGrim | especially 10x as much |
| 00:52.22 | syamajala | SadEagle`, i think i disabled jpeg2000 but i'm still getting the error |
| 00:53.22 | SadEagle` | MrGrim: see, when gcc switched to DWARF2, -g3 could cause such a blow up. But 3.3.5 and 3.4.3 both should use DWARF. Are you sure both use --enable-debug=full? |
| 00:53.40 | MrGrim | yup |
| 00:54.09 | kilrae | harddrives are annoying |
| 00:54.34 | SadEagle` | kilrae: you tell me |
| 00:54.58 | kilrae | i have too much stuff on too many drives |
| 00:55.15 | kilrae | one of them died on me today |
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| 00:55.25 | kilrae | luckily there wasn't much important on it |
| 00:55.27 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: we built it in two different ways.. I built from kdeextragear-2 cvs, he built from something else |
| 00:55.32 | MrGrim | I'm getting him to do it the way I did |
| 00:55.37 | MrGrim | to see if he can get a smaller executable size |
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| 00:56.36 | SadEagle` | kilrae: "I didn't need that bit anyway"? |
| 00:56.52 | illustre | konctact/summary how do i hange celsius to farenhiets |
| 00:57.00 | kilrae | well, i knew that the drive might have problems when i got it |
| 00:57.27 | kilrae | so i didn't store anything on it, i was using it for my root partition |
| 00:57.40 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: hmm, my exe with supposedly full debug was 2.4MB, after running strip on it it's 2.0MB... would a 2MB exe really only need .4MB of debug data, or is it more likely something is wrong on my end and my build doesn't have full debug data despite what I told configure? |
| 00:58.59 | SadEagle` | MrGrim: to be honest, I don't know. I just know that it doesn't really need 24MB of debug info |
| 00:59.26 | SadEagle` | illustre: it is probably using your desktop-wide locale settings (imperial vs. metric units) |
| 00:59.55 | illustre | SadEagle`:where do i set that up |
| 01:01.32 | MrGrim | SadEagle`: the 24MB exe after strip was 1.7MB |
| 01:01.52 | syamajala | SadEagle`, thanks |
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| 01:02.38 | dida | hi all |
| 01:02.41 | dida | it's me again |
| 01:02.47 | SadEagle` | illustre: kcontrol, Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language |
| 01:02.55 | dida | i uninstalled the old kde and intalled the new one |
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| 01:03.03 | dida | but i couldn't run kmail |
| 01:03.11 | dida | what package should i install? |
| 01:03.26 | SadEagle` | illustre: the easiest may be to just pick your country, otherwise chose the units in the "Other" tab |
| 01:03.33 | SadEagle` | dida: kdepim |
| 01:04.28 | dida | i should install libbluetooth, where it's not in my distro CDs |
| 01:04.34 | dida | suse 8.2 |
| 01:05.00 | MrGrim | http://www.spiritelf.com/images/Cannabis-5.jpg |
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| 01:10.38 | pinheir0 | is it possible to kill a dtermnate precces if an other is consuming to mutch cpu? |
| 01:10.49 | pinheir0 | and puting this in a script |
| 01:10.54 | MrGrim | dtermnate? |
| 01:11.12 | pinheir0 | determinated |
| 01:11.21 | pinheir0 | process |
| 01:11.30 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 01:11.35 | MrGrim | I still don't see what you are asking |
| 01:11.45 | MrGrim | pinheir0: you don't want to kill the process eating the cpu, but another? |
| 01:11.46 | pinheir0 | its a problem im having with kompmgr |
| 01:11.53 | pinheir0 | yes |
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| 01:12.04 | MrGrim | is there another process causing the cpu eating process to eat cpu? |
| 01:12.14 | MrGrim | and you want to know how to find it or something like that? |
| 01:12.23 | pinheir0 | yes its kompmgr |
| 01:12.41 | pinheir0 | no i know the guy |
| 01:12.53 | fanti | hmm does someone know the normal temperature a pentium-m may reach? |
| 01:12.55 | MrGrim | well |
| 01:13.02 | MrGrim | pinheir0: what's the problem? kill it :) |
| 01:13.08 | pinheir0 | but i want to make a script to do this |
| 01:13.15 | MrGrim | fanti: prolly similar to all cpu's |
| 01:13.21 | MrGrim | 40-60C... 75C tops |
| 01:13.23 | illustre | SadEagle`, mmm i tried both ways and no luck |
| 01:13.26 | MrGrim | maybe 80 |
| 01:13.29 | MrGrim | MAYBE |
| 01:13.40 | MrGrim | but 80 is hitting instability point |
| 01:13.43 | SadEagle` | illustre: did you restart the app? |
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| 01:13.47 | MrGrim | so, I might be wrong and pentium m might be special |
| 01:13.53 | illustre | yes |
| 01:13.58 | pinheir0 | it is that after i kill im everithing comes back to normal and kompmgr bots up again with no problem |
| 01:14.31 | MrGrim | pinheir0: so you want a script to scan when kompmgr is taking up an abnormal amount of cpu time |
| 01:14.33 | MrGrim | and kill it |
| 01:14.41 | pinheir0 | yes |
| 01:14.44 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 01:14.44 | fanti | hmm ksensors shows me 55c within the "red"-zone |
| 01:14.52 | MrGrim | pinheir0: how instant to you want this to be? |
| 01:14.58 | MrGrim | you could check every minute |
| 01:14.59 | MrGrim | or 2 minutes |
| 01:15.01 | MrGrim | etc. |
| 01:15.13 | pinheir0 | every 2 minutes |
| 01:15.26 | MrGrim | pinheir0: gimme a sec |
| 01:15.32 | MrGrim | pinheir0: do you know how to write bash scripts? |
| 01:15.41 | pinheir0 | the process that gets high cpu is X |
| 01:15.47 | pinheir0 | kinda |
| 01:15.53 | pinheir0 | not to good at it |
| 01:16.01 | pinheir0 | :$ |
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| 01:18.10 | MrGrim | I suck at bash scripting... mostly cause I can never remember the syntax, and I can never remember how to use sed, awk, atc. |
| 01:18.13 | MrGrim | s/atc/etc. |
| 01:18.35 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 01:18.50 | MrGrim | you could use ps aux | grep kompmgr and grab the 3rd column to get the cpu % |
| 01:18.54 | MrGrim | but that will probably not work |
| 01:19.01 | MrGrim | due to spikes in use that would be normal |
| 01:19.08 | MrGrim | so you'd need to monitor cpu usage over time |
| 01:19.14 | pinheir0 | yes |
| 01:19.16 | MrGrim | and that makes things a little more complex |
| 01:19.27 | pinheir0 | a kinda of 2 seconds thing |
| 01:19.43 | MrGrim | pinheir0: and unfortunatly for you I won't write a script like that for you, and I also know of no monitoring programs to do what you want |
| 01:19.56 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 01:20.02 | MrGrim | I do wish I could help more |
| 01:20.07 | pinheir0 | but its possible |
| 01:20.10 | MrGrim | ya |
| 01:20.11 | MrGrim | it is |
| 01:20.16 | MrGrim | pinheir0: tho |
| 01:20.18 | MrGrim | for the work involved |
| 01:20.25 | MrGrim | do you know how to debug C++ programs? |
| 01:20.33 | MrGrim | it'd be best to find the bug causing this :) |
| 01:20.47 | MrGrim | I do hope in the end kompmgr is just temporary |
| 01:20.47 | pinheir0 | the thing i want is a litle bit more complex |
| 01:21.25 | MrGrim | a kde composite manager based on xcompmgr is just ... bad... there could be a much better designed, integrated, and intelligent system |
| 01:21.29 | MrGrim | just requires a lot more work |
| 01:21.30 | pinheir0 | i also want that komp is disable if opengl is being used |
| 01:21.56 | MrGrim | pinheir0: hmm... I thought opengl had issues with composite just being on.. |
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| 01:22.04 | MrGrim | opengl works with composite is on but there's no manager? |
| 01:22.08 | pinheir0 | it as |
| 01:22.10 | MrGrim | s/with/then |
| 01:22.26 | MrGrim | pinheir0: hmm... that'd be a bit more tricky |
| 01:22.54 | MrGrim | pinheir0: if you want my advice... unless you are doing development for composite in some way I do not recommend using it |
| 01:23.06 | MrGrim | just give it time to mature and stabilize |
| 01:23.12 | pinheir0 | im at kde-artists |
| 01:23.14 | MrGrim | eventually the wrinkles will be ironed out |
| 01:23.34 | pinheir0 | so i have a loot of interest in this stuf |
| 01:23.55 | MrGrim | pinheir0: how do you use composite for whatever you do with kde artwork? |
| 01:24.13 | MrGrim | pinheir0: if you want to play with it you could start a second X server and use it there |
| 01:24.18 | MrGrim | maybe |
| 01:24.32 | pinheir0 | to see how it beter integrated in the kde thing |
| 01:24.42 | pinheir0 | its kinda stable now |
| 01:24.47 | MrGrim | keep your main one you use for real work and gaming/other opengl stuff up |
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| 01:24.54 | MrGrim | and when you wanna play with composite start a second X session |
| 01:24.57 | MrGrim | and play with it there |
| 01:25.05 | pinheir0 | kraxes x about once every 3 days |
| 01:25.19 | MrGrim | I didn't understand that |
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| 01:25.46 | pinheir0 | craches X once every 3 days |
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| 01:26.10 | MrGrim | perhaps, but you also have the kompmgr problems |
| 01:26.13 | MrGrim | and opengl issues |
| 01:26.13 | pinheir0 | in a 3 day periud kompmgr will crachit 1 |
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| 01:26.19 | MrGrim | crashes aren't the only way for things to fail |
| 01:26.30 | MrGrim | pinheir0: but you get better luck than I |
| 01:26.44 | MrGrim | after just a few hours of playing with composite I crashed to a console over 5 times |
| 01:27.14 | MrGrim | tho.. it prolly had something to do with me enabling the code in konsole to use real transparancy with composite |
| 01:27.25 | MrGrim | kompmgr didn't play nice with that |
| 01:27.27 | pinheir0 | kompmgr is a loot beter than xcompmgr |
| 01:27.41 | MrGrim | and my window shading pull down konsole trick messed with it to |
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| 01:27.47 | MrGrim | plus several other little issues |
| 01:27.54 | pinheir0 | that i have some times |
| 01:28.04 | pinheir0 | but not many |
| 01:28.06 | MrGrim | pinheir0: well... xcompmgr got along better with konsole's composite code :P |
| 01:28.43 | pinheir0 | is thre a reason for not going for opengl |
| 01:29.04 | MrGrim | pinheir0: if you are curious, there is a #define in the konsole code.. I think in main.cpp that disables real transparancy |
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| 01:29.11 | MrGrim | that's fun to play with if you wanna give it a try |
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| 01:29.25 | pinheir0 | im no coder |
| 01:29.38 | MrGrim | pinheir0: do you know how to compile konsole? |
| 01:29.49 | pinheir0 | just want to make kde look nicer and nicer |
| 01:29.55 | pinheir0 | no |
| 01:31.03 | pinheir0 | but in the other day i saw some videos of a gnome runing on opengl, and the windows lok great |
| 01:31.25 | pinheir0 | and they had tramperancy working fine |
| 01:31.31 | pinheir0 | tranparency |
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| 01:32.05 | Sholto | does anyone know if you can remove the "turn off computer" option from kde for a user ? |
| 01:32.14 | MrGrim | pinheir0: you don't need opengl for that |
| 01:32.17 | MrGrim | in fact it's overkill |
| 01:32.30 | MrGrim | pinheir0: if gnome was using opengl for that it is only because at the time a better option did not exist |
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| 01:32.33 | MrGrim | that better option is composite |
| 01:32.39 | MrGrim | and in time it'll be better |
| 01:32.45 | MrGrim | pinheir0: I'm not saying don't use composite |
| 01:32.48 | MrGrim | I'm just saying if you do |
| 01:32.53 | MrGrim | you'll need to learn to live with the quirks |
| 01:32.55 | MrGrim | and instability |
| 01:33.04 | pinheir0 | well the efect wre not only composite |
| 01:33.09 | MrGrim | w/o composite I have never had my X server crash in over a year |
| 01:33.12 | MrGrim | not once |
| 01:33.15 | MrGrim | it's solid as a rock |
| 01:33.24 | MrGrim | until composite gets like that I won't use it regularly |
| 01:33.30 | pinheir0 | the windows wen moving look like they were made of gelow |
| 01:33.33 | fanti | hmm my touchpad fires a doubleclick event (2left clicks in a row) even if i just touch the field once |
| 01:33.42 | ysm | oh, have to try that ! |
| 01:33.47 | pinheir0 | i will look for them |
| 01:33.54 | MrGrim | pinheir0: wait.. I remember reading about this |
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| 01:34.21 | pinheir0 | the look of that was a lot beter than the lok mac has |
| 01:34.39 | MrGrim | you sure it was using opengl? |
| 01:34.52 | pinheir0 | sure |
| 01:34.57 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 01:35.00 | MrGrim | wait ya I shoulda known |
| 01:35.07 | MrGrim | a composite manager can use opengl |
| 01:35.08 | pinheir0 | its a guy working for redhat |
| 01:35.08 | roshan | how does one specify a folder for all sent mail to be copied to in kmail? |
| 01:35.23 | MrGrim | the composite extension and manager has little to do with the actual display of windows |
| 01:35.56 | pinheir0 | loking for the videos |
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| 01:36.19 | MrGrim | pinheir0: I agree with you.. these are exciting times |
| 01:36.24 | MrGrim | and I can't wait |
| 01:36.25 | MrGrim | :) |
| 01:36.38 | MrGrim | I have tried living with composite on myself |
| 01:36.42 | MrGrim | but in the end I just had to turn it back off |
| 01:37.07 | pinheir0 | i will have to do that my self :) |
| 01:37.16 | pinheir0 | but not wrigt now |
| 01:37.53 | MrGrim | pinheir0: wanna see a screenshot of what I got konsole to do? |
| 01:38.05 | pinheir0 | yes :) |
| 01:38.36 | MrGrim | http://12.202.217.219/konsole.jpg |
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| 01:39.11 | Zeep | Hi |
| 01:39.15 | Zeep | I'm the midnight special ;-) |
| 01:39.28 | pinheir0 | wen kompmgr gets to worke nice |
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| 01:40.49 | Roey | hi |
| 01:41.12 | Roey | so I set Konqueror to open links in a new tab instead of a new window, hit 'OK' and it works. |
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| 01:41.20 | Roey | Until... I open another Konqueror instance |
| 01:41.26 | Roey | and then it seems to have forgotten |
| 01:41.40 | Roey | what the heck is going on?? |
| 01:41.53 | MrGrim | Roey: that option is buggy for me too |
| 01:41.59 | pinheir0 | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html |
| 01:42.02 | MrGrim | for example if I open a konqi instance in file management mode |
| 01:42.02 | pinheir0 | found it |
| 01:42.12 | pinheir0 | Luminocity |
| 01:42.14 | MrGrim | it'll open new links in that instance |
| 01:42.21 | MrGrim | instead of the instance with the web browsing profile |
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| 01:42.24 | MrGrim | which is really annoying |
| 01:42.33 | MrGrim | cause my file managent profile defaults to a MUCH smaller window |
| 01:42.51 | MrGrim | pinheir0: oh lol thanks for looking, but I found it almost immediately after you mentioned it :P |
| 01:42.57 | MrGrim | it was the first hit when searching for gnome in slashdot |
| 01:43.48 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 01:43.55 | Roey | MrGrim: hehe |
| 01:43.59 | Roey | MrGrim: it just doesn't remember it. |
| 01:44.00 | Roey | arg. |
| 01:44.07 | pinheir0 | well dont you think it looks great |
| 01:44.43 | pinheir0 | in the end it get to boring |
| 01:44.43 | MrGrim | Roey: I've had that happen before.. can you reproduce it like that? because I've opened second web browsing profiles instances and it open new tabs to it, then close the second one and it still works with the first.. |
| 01:44.49 | MrGrim | Roey: but I have had situations where it forgets |
| 01:44.54 | MrGrim | and opens all new links in a new window |
| 01:45.05 | MrGrim | pinheir0: I dunno |
| 01:45.11 | MrGrim | I'd have to see how long term use would be |
| 01:45.18 | MrGrim | but I'd definately turn it on at first |
| 01:45.23 | Roey | here it appears that I have to configure every Konqueror instance to open links in new tabs instead of windows. |
| 01:45.30 | Roey | s/every Konqueror/every individual Konqueror |
| 01:45.52 | MrGrim | pinheir0: unfortunately gnome tends to stay ahead of kde on the tech curve... but not that far.. also keep in mind gnome seems to be better at communicating with the public |
| 01:46.05 | MrGrim | the best kde does is release a watered down changelog with each release |
| 01:46.17 | MrGrim | if you read the cvs digest you can keep an idea of what is happening |
| 01:46.21 | MrGrim | but you still don't hear developers long term plans |
| 01:46.31 | pinheir0 | i know |
| 01:46.54 | pinheir0 | taht is a thing of not being any good at markting |
| 01:47.41 | pinheir0 | i have an example |
| 01:47.45 | Roey | MrGrim: roadmap |
| 01:47.57 | Roey | MrGrim: there are roadmaps on the kde developer page |
| 01:47.58 | pinheir0 | the logo for the konference |
| 01:48.18 | MrGrim | Roey: ya but they are often neglected |
| 01:48.24 | Roey | MrGrim: as far as a single vision, well, it has clearly been stated that there isn't one |
| 01:48.36 | Roey | i.e. there is not one single vision |
| 01:48.40 | MrGrim | Roey: now |
| 01:48.41 | MrGrim | please |
| 01:48.49 | Roey | ? |
| 01:48.50 | MrGrim | tell me where I said there should be, or that I would like a single vision |
| 01:48.51 | MrGrim | anywhere |
| 01:48.52 | MrGrim | also |
| 01:48.54 | Roey | aseigo |
| 01:48.57 | MrGrim | please show me where I said gnome had that? |
| 01:49.01 | MrGrim | do NOT put words into ym mouth |
| 01:49.06 | MrGrim | that is the most annoying thing in the world |
| 01:49.11 | Roey | aseigo stated that there is no single direction |
| 01:49.31 | Roey | did I put words into your mouth? I apologize--it's not what I meant |
| 01:49.51 | Roey | (did I accidentally imply anything about gnome??) |
| 01:50.09 | Roey | I was talking about KDE and how it just branches into whatever anyone cares to make of it :) |
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| 01:50.28 | Roey | but as far as saying "this will develop into a Media Center" |
| 01:50.39 | Roey | or "This will be a Server configurator desktop" |
| 01:50.42 | Roey | or soemthing liek that |
| 01:50.51 | Roey | then, no, there isn't a single statement like that. |
| 01:51.34 | MrGrim | I think it'd be neat for developers to say "I am working on this atm, and this is my long term vision" |
| 01:51.35 | MrGrim | have videos |
| 01:51.39 | MrGrim | and screenshots |
| 01:51.48 | MrGrim | like, for example, what pinheir0 showed for luminosity |
| 01:52.39 | Roey | oh |
| 01:52.40 | Roey | ok |
| 01:52.41 | Roey | ohh |
| 01:53.09 | Roey | I guess perhaps the resources are just not there for it |
| 01:53.19 | Roey | people contribute whatever time they have after coming home, etc. |
| 01:53.29 | Roey | dunno if they have time to make videos and such |
| 01:53.36 | Roey | "?" |
| 01:54.16 | pinheir0 | i sea a lot of videos and flash videos over at kde-artist a lot of guys apera with that kind of stuf |
| 01:54.59 | pinheir0 | one if making a web page just with taht kinda stuf, its great for marketing |
| 01:55.43 | pinheir0 | we at kde nead more and more of this marketing weaponds |
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| 01:56.07 | pinheir0 | having the best desktop is not enough |
| 01:57.21 | pinheir0 | has i say it has to be the most, sexy, exciting, fun, serius desktop, and it has to say that loud |
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| 01:58.09 | pinheir0 | i think the release of kde 4.0 should be a loot more diferent from the standard kde release |
| 01:58.55 | pinheir0 | and by that im just refering to the way its given to the world |
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| 01:59.34 | MistPM | kde 4.0 is beta |
| 01:59.47 | scrooge | LIES! |
| 01:59.50 | scrooge | blasphemy! |
| 02:00.04 | pinheir0 | they say there will be a kde 3.5 |
| 02:00.21 | pinheir0 | so one year to kde 4.0 |
| 02:00.35 | scrooge | yep |
| 02:00.43 | pinheir0 | lots of time to prepare something big in the marketing side of it |
| 02:00.44 | scrooge | qt4 comes out when? summer? |
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| 02:02.04 | scrooge | i am soooo gonna try and compile kde with qt4 :D:D |
| 02:02.14 | scrooge | kde-cvs even^^ |
| 02:02.16 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 02:03.06 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 02:03.14 | MrGrim | I've noticed kde 3.4 seems to have a dependancy for dbus and hal |
| 02:03.17 | MrGrim | but how is it used? |
| 02:04.11 | MrGrim | so has it been decided for sure.. is the "release kde 3.5 when qt 4 is released, then branch for kde 4.0" schedule approved? |
| 02:04.34 | scrooge | where did u read that? |
| 02:04.43 | scrooge | i read sumtin somewher about next kde |
| 02:04.47 | scrooge | but forgot the link :/ |
| 02:05.04 | Roey | http://brianx.com/realultimatepower.html |
| 02:05.05 | Roey | OMG!!!!!! |
| 02:05.26 | scrooge | o.0 |
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| 02:08.36 | fanti | hmm any idea why that fonts (i.e. the title-bar) is so small und unreadable http://fanti.staff.spin.de/screen2.png ? |
| 02:09.30 | nutshell42 | Is it just me or does "ask for name and folder when adding bookmarks" no longer work in 3.4? |
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| 02:11.24 | pinheir0 | fanti remove shadow |
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| 02:13.29 | fanti | hmm also within the konsole sucks the font: http://fanti.staff.spin.de/screen3.png see the 100% the chars overlaps ? |
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| 02:17.53 | Dhraakellian | maybe |
| 02:18.49 | Dhraakellian | it would at least be nice if skype would remember my password between versions |
| 02:19.03 | pinheir0 | :) |
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| 02:26.00 | membreya | is anyone having problems with kaffeine being lossy? ie my music videos, the lips are about 1 second behind the music |
| 02:27.28 | membreya | or can someone suggest a better music player than kaffeine? |
| 02:29.17 | Dhraakellian | amaroK |
| 02:29.33 | pinheir0 | that is not an anser |
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| 02:29.36 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 02:29.46 | Dhraakellian | or JuK, if you prefer, but I'd still recommend amaroK |
| 02:29.56 | Alethes | those don't do video |
| 02:30.03 | Dhraakellian | and, in answer to the actually question, "yes" |
| 02:30.22 | Dhraakellian | <membreya> or can someone suggest a better music player than kaffeine? |
| 02:30.31 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:30.39 | membreya | my apologies :P |
| 02:30.39 | Alethes | but he mentioned that his videos weren't working right :P |
| 02:30.58 | membreya | besides which amarok doesn't work for me .. it queues the audio files but never plays anything |
| 02:31.03 | Dhraakellian | you can tweak the audio/video sync in kaffeine, iirc |
| 02:31.10 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 02:31.13 | Dhraakellian | what engine? |
| 02:31.13 | Zeep | Dhraakellian: Easy to fix that |
| 02:31.26 | Zeep | Dhraakellian: If you are using arts |
| 02:31.39 | Dhraakellian | Zeep, hmm+ |
| 02:31.41 | Dhraakellian | ?* |
| 02:31.56 | Zeep | Dhraakellian: Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System -> set Buffer to 20ms |
| 02:32.02 | membreya | gotta go, but I'll leave IRC open :P |
| 02:32.12 | Dhraakellian | Zeep, I'm not the one asking |
| 02:32.16 | membreya | you guys can argue it out and I'll check the logs |
| 02:32.20 | Zeep | Who is :-d |
| 02:32.52 | Zeep | membreya: Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System -> set Buffer to 20ms (or a bit more, if your system is too slow) |
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| 02:33.50 | Zeep | BTW: amaroK is THE audio player of choice ;-) |
| 02:34.06 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 02:36.11 | SuperL4g | arts sucks |
| 02:36.45 | Zeep | If you're reducing sound buffer size, there's nothing wrong with arts for daily use ;-= |
| 02:37.06 | SuperL4g | Zeep: sure there is, if it doesn't work |
| 02:37.08 | SuperL4g | Error - artsmessage Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting. |
| 02:37.17 | SuperL4g | I get that, on a regular basis. |
| 02:37.35 | SuperL4g | and I'm not setting sound up and differently than I have any other time, with KDE. |
| 02:37.42 | SuperL4g | Previously, it'd worked fine. |
| 02:37.48 | Zeep | okay, does make sense for you to not use arts :-) |
| 02:38.04 | Zeep | not to use ;-) |
| 02:38.06 | SuperL4g | uh huh, and what option do you have with KDE? |
| 02:38.11 | Zeep | gstreamer? |
| 02:38.23 | SuperL4g | I even try to change it to ALSA, and I still get that error. |
| 02:38.49 | Zeep | What CPU do you have, 486-DX? |
| 02:38.52 | Zeep | ;-) |
| 02:39.07 | SuperL4g | umm no |
| 02:39.12 | SuperL4g | Linux zoom 2.6.11-gentoo-r4 #2 Sat Mar 19 02:03:15 CST 2005 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 02:39.27 | Zeep | Seems authentic to mee :-p |
| 02:39.44 | Zeep | Sorry, don't know how your problem could be fixed ... |
| 02:39.57 | Zeep | Linux Defiant 2.6.11.5 #1 Thu Mar 24 21:56:48 CET 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 02:40.38 | Zeep | had to do this :-p |
| 02:40.52 | scrooge | 0.o |
| 02:41.36 | Zeep | out for a smoke - BRB |
| 02:44.38 | scrooge | same |
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| 02:55.29 | scrooge | canllaith, how often do u update? daily |
| 02:55.32 | scrooge | \b? |
| 02:55.43 | canllaith | scrooge: it depends. |
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| 02:55.58 | scrooge | quad opterons? |
| 02:56.00 | canllaith | lol no |
| 02:56.08 | canllaith | if you update daily, without make clean then it's very quick |
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| 02:56.15 | canllaith | It only builds new code, that's changed... |
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| 02:56.29 | scrooge | ahh i see |
| 02:56.35 | scrooge | same as kernel recompiles! |
| 02:56.39 | scrooge | :) |
| 02:57.01 | canllaith | so it's a bit of cvs up *, then for i in -ls kde*; do pushd $i; make; make DESTDIR=$pkdir install; popd; done |
| 02:57.03 | canllaith | If that fails |
| 02:57.05 | canllaith | I tend to ignore it :) |
| 02:57.25 | canllaith | I just leave it and try again next day |
| 02:57.29 | llama32 | anyone know why i have 6 instances of nautilus running when im in kde? (this is straight after boot) it keeps taking over my desktop, then i go to run xkill and its gone... |
| 02:57.35 | scrooge | haha |
| 02:57.38 | scrooge | i ehar ya |
| 02:57.40 | scrooge | hear^^ |
| 02:57.48 | canllaith | llama32: mmm did you maybe run nautilus once, and KDE has saved your session? |
| 02:58.13 | canllaith | llama32: have a look in $KDEHOME/share/config/session and see if there is anything relating to nautilus in there |
| 02:58.16 | llama32 | perhaps... its never been running when exiting kde though |
| 02:58.25 | llama32 | ok thanks |
| 02:58.26 | canllaith | Perhaps some session data became corrupt? |
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| 03:00.08 | Alethes | man, khtml is slick |
| 03:01.35 | Alethes | btw heya canllaith |
| 03:02.02 | canllaith | Hey hey Alethes |
| 03:02.09 | canllaith | I got a new toy :D |
| 03:02.11 | Alethes | how's it? |
| 03:02.14 | canllaith | tisn't mine, I'm just adopting it |
| 03:02.27 | Alethes | what's the toy? |
| 03:02.31 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/handheld.jpg |
| 03:02.34 | canllaith | has a modem + ethernet card |
| 03:02.51 | canllaith | takes compact flash, has an 8mb card - but I have a 64MB at home I'll get andrew to send me. I bet that's more storage space than that thing has ever seen in it's little electronic life =p |
| 03:02.53 | Alethes | ok, hang on |
| 03:03.00 | Alethes | I'm putting pressure on my modem for a sec |
| 03:03.39 | Alethes | hmmm interesting thought there, buddy |
| 03:03.45 | scrooge | tis blocked with leaves :P |
| 03:03.51 | scrooge | hahahaha |
| 03:03.52 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:03.53 | Dhraakellian | canllaith, so you now have big, small, and tiny? |
| 03:04.02 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: dude yes! and amazingly enough I have one *even tinier* |
| 03:04.04 | canllaith | and it's colour and shit. |
| 03:04.17 | canllaith | Toshiba e310, bugger of a thing has no keyboard though so that rules it out for irc'ing |
| 03:04.18 | Alethes | canllaith is geekier than all us guys put together |
| 03:04.24 | Dhraakellian | canllaith, waitaminute... Is that Win9x? |
| 03:04.28 | canllaith | but I'm *determined* to get a wireless card into that cassiopia |
| 03:04.34 | scrooge | ce |
| 03:04.36 | canllaith | Dhraakellian: is what win9x? It runs Windows CE for the moment. |
| 03:04.41 | Dhraakellian | ah... right |
| 03:04.44 | Dhraakellian | of course |
| 03:04.48 | canllaith | I'm going to get my 64MB card sent up from home, see if I can get a linux on it |
| 03:05.01 | canllaith | see if I can get a wireless card on it, grab a new battery (It has a little watch battery it uses for it's CMOS battery) |
| 03:05.18 | canllaith | and then have turned the lamest handheld ever produced into something reasonably cool. |
| 03:05.26 | scrooge | hehe |
| 03:05.34 | scrooge | *cough*geek!*cough* |
| 03:05.37 | canllaith | It fits in my handbag, my 12" laptop doesn't *quite* :P |
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| 03:05.48 | canllaith | scrooge: you had a point there? ;) |
| 03:05.53 | scrooge | :P |
| 03:05.55 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/lotsa-geek-stuff.jpg |
| 03:06.09 | Alethes | scrooge: canllaith likes her toys in all sizes |
| 03:06.10 | scrooge | :O |
| 03:06.14 | canllaith | Ever since I was 7 years old, and looked at how my assignments for school took up almost no space |
| 03:06.15 | scrooge | Alethes, i see |
| 03:06.18 | scrooge | haha |
| 03:06.23 | canllaith | and though... 'you could get whole books on here...' |
| 03:06.29 | scrooge | hehe |
| 03:06.30 | scrooge | nice |
| 03:06.41 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 03:06.41 | canllaith | 'you could get whole LIBRARIES of books on here.... wouldn't it be cool if I could have a computer as big as my calculator, that had whole libraries of books??' |
| 03:06.51 | canllaith | So I'd basically dreamed up project gutenburg back in the early 80's heh |
| 03:07.01 | scrooge | lol |
| 03:07.10 | scrooge | dam im a youngin :/ |
| 03:07.12 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 03:07.23 | canllaith | All because I wanted ways to be able to read books in school without the teacher knowing I wasn't paying attention |
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| 03:07.34 | scrooge | same...dead center for me :P |
| 03:07.42 | scrooge | canllaith, haha |
| 03:07.44 | scrooge | makes sense |
| 03:07.47 | Alethes | and I thought canllaith made me feel old |
| 03:07.51 | scrooge | i do that on my sidekick2 |
| 03:08.02 | scrooge | email myself small pdf ebooks :D |
| 03:08.39 | scrooge | i even typed an essay once on it while on the train :P |
| 03:09.07 | canllaith | I use my toshiba e310 for reading ebooks on - it is so light and gorgeous and has a jogdial on the left I can use to turn pages |
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| 03:09.19 | scrooge | lappy? |
| 03:09.44 | Alethes | I think if I had a pda, it'd either have to have fish:/ :) |
| 03:09.47 | canllaith | no, even smaller handheld than the one in the pic |
| 03:09.49 | canllaith | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000658CD?v=glance |
| 03:09.59 | Alethes | or just an ssh client for that matter |
| 03:10.04 | scrooge | http://www.pdastreet.com/images/articles/Sidekick2.jpg |
| 03:10.09 | scrooge | i LOVE my phone ^_^ |
| 03:10.11 | canllaith | Got it 2 years ago when it first hit the market in australia, I'd been reading about it for months in US magazines |
| 03:10.25 | canllaith | Alethes: well it has a SD card, and I have a card reader... so it's never once done the activesync thing heh |
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| 03:10.36 | canllaith | It just gets books and files loaded onto the SD card, and that's it's entire communication with the outside world |
| 03:11.13 | Alethes | yeah, the only use I'd have for a pda would be to access my documents on my home computer or my imap mail |
| 03:11.18 | Alethes | I can't be bothered to do the sync crap |
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| 03:11.59 | scrooge | i wanna PSP :( |
| 03:12.08 | Alethes | those are slick |
| 03:12.12 | scrooge | yes! |
| 03:12.15 | canllaith | The other new toy I found, is dosbox |
| 03:12.30 | canllaith | Which actually will have a use for something other than running all the old DOS games I loved as a kid |
| 03:12.39 | X-The | i need to know if people using kde-3.4.0 from cvs, haves problem when clicking to configure konqueror |
| 03:12.45 | canllaith | I have some customers who are stuck with some old dos databse software and shit and they *hate* having to run uber insecure windows 95 |
| 03:12.53 | canllaith | X-The: no problems at all |
| 03:13.17 | Alethes | my favorite old school games are spacequest, leisure suit larry, police quest, etc |
| 03:13.25 | X-The | when i click to configure it, appears an empty window |
| 03:13.52 | canllaith | Alethes: ahhh, sierra! |
| 03:13.56 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:13.58 | canllaith | My favs too :) Castle of Dr Brain is the best one |
| 03:14.16 | Alethes | I remember there was a quiz for leisure suit larry to make sure you were old enough to play |
| 03:14.25 | canllaith | hahaha dude I still can't pass that :$ |
| 03:14.28 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:14.38 | canllaith | bah |
| 03:14.41 | canllaith | tryin to type ls in dosbox grrr |
| 03:14.48 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:14.51 | scrooge | hehe |
| 03:14.54 | scrooge | dir /p |
| 03:14.59 | canllaith | I know =p |
| 03:14.59 | Alethes | I created an ls.bat a while back for that purpose |
| 03:15.02 | canllaith | It's just like, habit now |
| 03:15.06 | scrooge | yea |
| 03:15.24 | scrooge | get unxutils! |
| 03:15.32 | scrooge | like 150 gnu apps portaed to windows |
| 03:15.35 | scrooge | no cygwin crap |
| 03:15.42 | scrooge | i love it ^_^ |
| 03:15.46 | Alethes | I don't use windows at all anymore |
| 03:15.49 | Alethes | my wife does, though |
| 03:16.05 | Alethes | I look at it and I think, "hey, that looks like an unthemed gnome2" |
| 03:16.09 | Alethes | "how ugly" heh |
| 03:16.14 | scrooge | haha |
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| 03:19.59 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith//foo/dosbox.png |
| 03:20.16 | canllaith | You should see how amazingly pixelated it is at full screen on 1600x1200 hahaha |
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| 03:21.05 | callipygous | does anybody think kde 3.4 is faster than 3.3? |
| 03:21.08 | Roey | canllaith: Jes I swear you have the most beautiful backgrounds/color combos.. where can I get your wallpapers |
| 03:21.13 | callipygous | or am I imagining things? |
| 03:21.57 | canllaith | Roey: the colour scheme was made by Alethes with a slight tweak by me |
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| 03:22.17 | callipygous | im just curious |
| 03:22.18 | Roey | canllaith: it goes with your wallpaper |
| 03:22.22 | Alethes | canllaith just likes me for my color schemes |
| 03:22.24 | callipygous | cus im using a totally different os |
| 03:22.25 | canllaith | and the wallpaper comes with KDE |
| 03:22.28 | Roey | Alethes: =) |
| 03:22.29 | canllaith | isle of elba |
| 03:22.35 | Roey | oh, #ifdef, forgot to join. |
| 03:22.41 | callipygous | tho i reckon the default window decoration _stinks_ btw |
| 03:22.51 | canllaith | so change it |
| 03:22.51 | Alethes | howdy Roey |
| 03:23.00 | Roey | heya |
| 03:23.06 | callipygous | unless we are trying to take up half my screen realestate with a very XP looking window decoration |
| 03:23.10 | Roey | Alethes: massive linux problems across the board |
| 03:23.20 | Alethes | what'd you do this time? |
| 03:23.52 | jamie123 | !users |
| 03:23.59 | Alethes | I wonder what running dox on a modern box would be like |
| 03:24.14 | Roey | alethes: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BIgXFY39.html |
| 03:24.48 | Roey | SYSTEM TOO NEW, INSERT 386 INTO DRIVE A: |
| 03:25.01 | Roey | <sputter> |
| 03:25.03 | Roey | <die/> |
| 03:25.49 | Alethes | heh |
| 03:26.02 | ysm | right, insert a CPU into a floppy drive... |
| 03:26.07 | Roey | myes. |
| 03:26.14 | Roey | hey |
| 03:26.20 | Roey | they did it in Weird Sceince |
| 03:26.46 | Roey | well in Weird Science they inserted a photo from a magazine into the floppy drive. |
| 03:27.11 | jamie123 | someone give me voice plz |
| 03:27.19 | Roey | you have |
| 03:28.52 | scrooge | lol |
| 03:28.56 | scrooge | pwn3d |
| 03:29.14 | scrooge | gawd take forever |
| 03:29.51 | ysm | how is forever, less than 10 minutes, less than 10 hours, less than 10 days ? |
| 03:30.05 | Dhraakellian | ysm, 42 |
| 03:30.15 | ysm | right... |
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| 03:33.22 | Zeep | OMG, 7331 sp33k ;-) |
| 03:33.47 | Dhraakellian | teal speak? |
| 03:33.57 | Roey | =) |
| 03:33.59 | Zeep | lol |
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| 03:36.29 | ysm | zeep, I think you need a little http://www.google.com/intl/xx-hacker/ searching... |
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| 03:40.44 | parph | do any benchmarks exist, showing different distros compared to one another? |
| 03:42.43 | Zeep | ysm: Taking a look |
| 03:42.52 | Zeep | ysm: lol :-D |
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| 03:43.06 | AnotherData | hello |
| 03:45.08 | scrooge | hi |
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| 03:50.01 | LeStat- | anyone know why my icon positions dont save in kde 3.4 from when i end a session and load it again later |
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| 04:15.12 | callipygous | so does kde have composite support now? |
| 04:15.31 | scrooge | yes |
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| 04:16.28 | callipygous | how do you set it? |
| 04:16.37 | callipygous | where can i see it etc.. |
| 04:18.17 | tbarkley | callipygous: really only if you have a nvidia card though |
| 04:18.57 | etorix | and xoeg |
| 04:19.04 | callipygous | i have both |
| 04:19.09 | etorix | xorg* |
| 04:20.10 | callipygous | yup that too |
| 04:20.54 | etorix | so has anyone done a full build of 3.4.0 on debian-amd64? |
| 04:21.03 | tbarkley | you need to set RenderAccel in xorg.conf and also enable Composite, Render, and Damage |
| 04:21.19 | callipygous | then what? |
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| 04:21.29 | callipygous | i thought i had it enabled in xorg.conf |
| 04:21.30 | tbarkley | and disable your opengl stuff even though i think there's a hack to get dri and composite working at the same time |
| 04:21.38 | tbarkley | callipygous: you might:) |
| 04:21.39 | tdela | how do i disable the panel? i installed ksmoothdock, but i dont want the panel open anymore :/ |
| 04:21.53 | callipygous | does it work well? |
| 04:21.56 | tbarkley | i tried smoothdock earlier, but found it a bit annoying. nice eyecandy though |
| 04:22.07 | tbarkley | tdela: and the same problem you have |
| 04:22.16 | tdela | heh |
| 04:22.34 | callipygous | tbarkley, ksmoothdock is a bit dodgy imo |
| 04:22.42 | tbarkley | tdela: you probably have to dig down into startkde to mess with init scripts, but who knows there might be an easier way. i'm new to KDE after a couple year hiatus |
| 04:22.47 | callipygous | heard of engage? |
| 04:23.01 | tbarkley | yeah, i've heard of engage. i need to check it out |
| 04:23.05 | tbarkley | what's the website? |
| 04:23.33 | tdela | tbarkley: killing kickstaart does it... |
| 04:23.34 | callipygous | hmm handyandy's site, one sec |
| 04:23.43 | tdela | but the kmenu stops working |
| 04:23.45 | tdela | =/ |
| 04:24.09 | tbarkley | i'm still trying to figure out freaking themes. i mean how come the theme manager doesn't recognize .themerc files...but i've never really understood themes on gnome either...the whole process seems a bit convoluted |
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| 04:24.41 | tbarkley | i got my fonts look kickass finally last night |
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| 04:24.45 | tbarkley | looking |
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| 04:24.57 | tbarkley | as good as cleartype now in my estimation |
| 04:26.43 | tbarkley | bbiam callipygous |
| 04:27.26 | marcusU | Not to be confused with ClearView. |
| 04:27.43 | tbarkley | oh, and any programmers in the house? i need to convert a kateproject to a kdevelop project. kate cvs doesn't have autogen.sh so i can't import that into kdevelop...oh wait, can i setup a autogen.sh file via makefile.am....freaking autotools |
| 04:28.09 | marcusU | tbarkley: If you're building from CVS, run make -f Makefile.cvs |
| 04:28.18 | marcusU | Before configure. |
| 04:28.51 | callipygous | tbarkley, not sure, look on enlightenment.org for handyandy's site, or engage |
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| 04:32.32 | tbarkley | marcusU: ok...yeah, actually kdevelop did import the project, but won't build because no autogen.sh. i'll try that |
| 04:32.52 | tbarkley | callipygous: yeah, i was running e17 occasionaly on my ubuntu box a few weeks back....still pretty raw |
| 04:33.10 | marcusU | Normally, KDE projects use a Makefile.cvs instead of autogen.sh |
| 04:33.17 | tbarkley | ahhh...ok |
| 04:33.38 | tbarkley | no Makefile.cvs just a Makefile.am |
| 04:34.19 | callipygous | yeah, it is rather |
| 04:34.32 | tbarkley | so kdevelop imported the project, but can't build...hmm..maybe i can configure something in kdevelop to build a script or something |
| 04:34.36 | callipygous | i wouldn't imagine a kde user "switching" to something as basic as e17 |
| 04:34.43 | callipygous | but its llooking promissing as a wm |
| 04:34.46 | tbarkley | no, not for everyday use |
| 04:34.58 | callipygous | tho i have used it for everyday use myself |
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| 04:35.54 | tbarkley | kde 3.4 seems to do the trick for me, but i'm always open to something better |
| 04:36.34 | callipygous | would be hard to find |
| 04:37.11 | tbarkley | at this point |
| 04:37.29 | tbarkley | man, kdevelop is slick...i hadn't played with it in a while |
| 04:38.30 | callipygous | whats it do/ |
| 04:38.37 | tbarkley | it's an IDE |
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| 04:39.34 | kilrae | that was fun |
| 04:39.52 | kilrae | except kmail won't connect to my imap server now |
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| 04:42.39 | Covener | Reinstalled my desktop, if i try to run startkde or even konquror from say an icewm session my console locks up and xserver is using 100% cpu. strace just streams out sigalarm. Any ideas? |
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| 04:44.32 | Covener | When startkde dies, it just barely shows the bottom of the kdesplash thing saying "setting up interprocess communication" (it seems to be in that busy loop almost immediately) |
| 04:45.23 | marcusU | Covener: Have you tried starting as another user, preferably one with no pre-build config files in $HOME? |
| 04:45.40 | AnotherData | what version of kde? |
| 04:46.22 | kilrae | i installed kde 3.4 with the slack packages from kde.org and kmail won't connect to my imap server |
| 04:46.44 | kilrae | it says "could not start process for imap" |
| 04:47.15 | illogic-al | hallo M. Urban |
| 04:47.29 | Covener | AnotherData: 3.3.2 |
| 04:47.37 | Covener | marcusU: this user is pretty barren, will generate another though |
| 04:47.58 | marcusU | Or move $HOME/.kde out of the way. |
| 04:47.59 | AnotherData | oh |
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| 04:48.54 | etorix | yup |
| 04:48.56 | AnotherData | kilrae: did you try the ones from LP.net? |
| 04:49.12 | kilrae | i did not |
| 04:49.29 | kilrae | do they work right? |
| 04:49.33 | Covener | marcusU: clicked through kpersonalizer, hang at setting up IPC |
| 04:49.50 | marcusU | Any weird files in /tmp? |
| 04:49.56 | AnotherData | i havent tried imap on kmail tho |
| 04:50.04 | AnotherData | im using the ones from LP.net |
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| 04:56.04 | kelmo | anyone knowledgable on howto customise the media:/ kio-slave menus on a per-device sought of basis? |
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| 05:00.00 | MrGrim | hmm found me a nasty bug |
| 05:00.27 | MrGrim | had to kill X remotely cause X itself was frozen solid, and then the screen was corrupted so had to remotely reboot |
| 05:00.28 | MrGrim | so |
| 05:00.57 | MrGrim | anyone w/ more than on emachine so you can reboot remotely mind confirming this for me? |
| 05:01.15 | Dhraakellian | MrGrim, what caused this again? |
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| 05:01.19 | MrGrim | sec |
| 05:01.49 | MrGrim | ok |
| 05:01.52 | MrGrim | you go to this site |
| 05:01.55 | MrGrim | http://rush68.net/~dave/crap/story.htm |
| 05:02.00 | MrGrim | then, increase the font size 3 times |
| 05:02.04 | MrGrim | ctrl-+ |
| 05:02.09 | MrGrim | maybe 4 times |
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| 05:02.14 | Dhraakellian | I think I've had similar things happen to me with kaffeine, based on the description you gave there |
| 05:02.15 | MrGrim | if it works it will freeze X so |
| 05:02.18 | MrGrim | make sure everything is saved |
| 05:02.21 | Dhraakellian | heh |
| 05:02.37 | MrGrim | then you will need to login from another box and killall -9 X then shutdown -r now |
| 05:02.44 | MrGrim | so you can still get a clean unmount |
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| 05:03.04 | MrGrim | kaffeine for me hasn't worked since beta 1 |
| 05:03.09 | MrGrim | I keep getting player part not found errors |
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| 05:07.59 | Dhraakellian | I downgraded to .5 |
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| 05:13.32 | CygnusX1 | Hello. I am trying to set a screen background to appear while the splash screen is displaying. I have created a file in my splash them dir named Background-1600x1200.png. This is not working. |
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| 05:32.27 | _kilrae | ya know what konversation needs |
| 05:32.56 | _kilrae | to remember the size of the nicklist when it restarts |
| 05:33.32 | slayerbob | for what purpose ? |
| 05:39.23 | MrGrim | _kilrae: it does |
| 05:39.29 | MrGrim | it will forget it if it crashes |
| 05:39.31 | MrGrim | or is killed |
| 05:39.38 | MrGrim | but if it exits normally it'll remember |
| 05:41.24 | _kilrae | not in my experience |
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| 05:43.49 | kilrae | it doesn't remember |
| 05:43.59 | kilrae | maybe there's a setting i missed |
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| 05:52.17 | kilrae | i need to sit down some day and figure out my hard drives and networking and stuff |
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| 06:00.10 | Roey | Unable to start the cookie handler service. |
| 06:00.11 | Roey | You will not be able to manage the cookies that are stored on your computer. |
| 06:00.15 | Roey | why does this message appear? |
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| 06:05.48 | yanger | is there a way to make program "x1" startup in virtual desktop #3 at startup? |
| 06:06.16 | r00tsh3ll | http://r00tsh3ll.homelinux.org:8081/shotz/3.html |
| 06:06.33 | r00tsh3ll | its funny somehow |
| 06:08.18 | yanger | eh r00tsh3ll |
| 06:08.32 | yanger | does kopete allow avatar icons? |
| 06:08.59 | yanger | been having issues with amsn, keeps disconnecting.. so i was thinking of making a move... |
| 06:10.00 | NamShub | yanger: you mean that little thumbnail you can have in your profile? |
| 06:10.12 | yanger | yeah heh |
| 06:10.12 | NamShub | (like the horse/soccer ball default in MSN..?) |
| 06:10.16 | NamShub | yes it does |
| 06:10.23 | yanger | cool... |
| 06:10.27 | yanger | amsn just isn't the same anymore |
| 06:13.36 | yanger | doh |
| 06:13.41 | yanger | kopete is shut down? :( |
| 06:14.51 | kendrick | hih |
| 06:14.53 | kendrick | oops |
| 06:14.57 | kendrick | huh?, that is :) |
| 06:15.11 | The3_14ed|er | hmm? |
| 06:17.54 | yanger | :| |
| 06:17.59 | yanger | no source codes for kopete |
| 06:18.05 | yanger | due to patent i think :| |
| 06:20.54 | yanger | kopete is gone forever? |
| 06:20.56 | yanger | heh |
| 06:22.35 | The3_14ed|er | teh narf? |
| 06:22.50 | yanger | well.. links are all dead, but at least the cvs is still online |
| 06:23.59 | kendrick | yanger: what??? |
| 06:24.01 | kendrick | patents? |
| 06:24.07 | kendrick | that's got to be bullshit |
| 06:24.07 | kendrick | :) |
| 06:24.23 | The3_14ed|er | aah |
| 06:24.24 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 06:24.31 | The3_14ed|er | it's just a "protest" page, I think |
| 06:24.35 | kendrick | well, |
| 06:24.42 | kendrick | this actually seems a little more than 'protest' |
| 06:24.43 | kendrick | :) |
| 06:24.50 | kendrick | "Enter the Kopete homepage while it is still available." |
| 06:24.54 | kendrick | Sounds grave. |
| 06:24.56 | kendrick | :) |
| 06:24.58 | yanger | heh |
| 06:25.06 | yanger | but the links inside to the source code are dead |
| 06:25.15 | The3_14ed|er | doesn't knopper.net/knoppix have something similar? |
| 06:25.17 | yanger | the only source that is avaliable yet is the cvs |
| 06:25.18 | MrGrim | kendrick: that's the point |
| 06:25.32 | MrGrim | kendrick: the european patent fight is not going well |
| 06:25.40 | kendrick | yeah |
| 06:25.48 | yanger | so this is a european thing? |
| 06:25.57 | yanger | or is it a american thing |
| 06:25.58 | yanger | heh |
| 06:26.01 | kendrick | most /good/ software seems to come from europe ;) |
| 06:26.04 | kendrick | (linux... kde... ;) ) |
| 06:26.08 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 06:26.16 | The3_14ed|er | we already have software patents in the US |
| 06:26.35 | yanger | yeah, but is kopete breaking patent in the US (thus the frontpage?) |
| 06:26.38 | The3_14ed|er | the point is (was?) to keep that kind of madness from spreading to Europe |
| 06:26.44 | MrGrim | it is inevitable in europe... it's just how long can they delay it |
| 06:27.09 | The3_14ed|er | MrGrim: thus the "(was?)" |
| 06:27.09 | kendrick | 20/05//2005 - Kopete 0.10.0 for KDE 3.4 available |
| 06:27.16 | kendrick | wouldn't that be may 20th? ;) |
| 06:27.25 | MrGrim | one gigantic corporation is tough enough to beat politically, a large group of them organise it's impossible |
| 06:27.36 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
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| 06:27.52 | MrGrim | just keep throwing money at the problem till it goes away |
| 06:27.58 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 06:28.44 | yanger | eh, i just did ./configure, and it gave me a warning that i might not be able to use krfb or krdc as i don't have openslp installed, what is krfb/krdc? |
| 06:30.20 | MrGrim | krfb is a remote desktop app |
| 06:30.36 | yanger | blah, i use vnc only.. so i guess it should be ok |
| 06:30.38 | MrGrim | I think it can understand windows remote desktop |
| 06:30.40 | MrGrim | maybe others |
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| 06:58.05 | Deffina | good morning |
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| 06:59.35 | marcusU | hi |
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| 07:07.54 | The3_14ed|er | kazebo |
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| 07:20.13 | Hoochie-Coochie- | scrooge> hi! have you got your brand-new slackware installation completed? :) |
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| 07:42.12 | light_punch2 | anyone know how to config kppp so that it will listen for a dial tone presence then dial? |
| 07:42.45 | marcusU | light_punch2: As supposed to? |
| 07:43.07 | sarah03 | light_punch2: I was going to say... that should be standard modem behaviour. |
| 07:43.09 | kinema | for some reason whenever i try to login/start x via KDM after entering my username and password the screen goes blank for 3-5 seconds then i end up back at a KDM screen. if I kill kdm and run startx as a non-root user x and kde start fine |
| 07:43.36 | light_punch2 | so if brother on phone i won't piss him off |
| 07:43.52 | marcusU | light_punch2: You can control whether it waits for a dialtone, etc., with one of the command things. |
| 07:44.00 | marcusU | AT &D I tink. |
| 07:44.41 | marcusU | Just a sec, light_punch2 |
| 07:45.28 | light_punch2 | hm... let me check that when i am finished using kppp. |
| 07:45.31 | marcusU | http://www.textfiles.com/bbs/at_set.txt |
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| 07:46.11 | marcusU | Oops. Not &D. Sorry. It's X... AT X0, X1, etc. |
| 07:46.36 | marcusU | X4 is the default, though. Is there a separate "wait for dialtone" option in KPPP, though? |
| 07:47.52 | sarah03 | Yes - under Configuration->Modems->Edit/New. |
| 07:49.12 | light_punch2 | thx , i'll keep them in mind |
| 07:49.13 | sarah03 | On the "Modem" tab; first checkbox - "Wait for dial tone before dialing". |
| 07:49.40 | marcusU | Okay. Sorry for the AT-command voodoo. |
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| 07:50.30 | sarah03 | marcusU: Well, it's still handy to have around, if you need to reconfigure the commands for the modem. |
| 07:51.01 | marcusU | Yeah. I remember enough to know what to look for. Kind of ironic that Hayes command set is all the survived. |
| 07:55.09 | kinema | any thoughts on my kdm problem? |
| 07:55.57 | PieD | hi |
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| 07:56.25 | kinema | in my kdm.log there are a few QImage "Image is a null image" messages |
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| 08:05.54 | light_punch2 | i have 'wait for dialtone' checked in kppp, but it doesn't check for a dialtone, it just dials. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:06.28 | marcusU | light_punch2: Did you look in the dialing strings that it has? |
| 08:07.04 | marcusU | light_punch2: Can you get to the "Modem Commands" dialog? |
| 08:07.41 | light_punch2 | marcusU, the one with all those AT & T stuff? yes |
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| 08:08.19 | marcusU | Do any of them have "AT .... X"? |
| 08:08.31 | light_punch2 | dont' know. why? |
| 08:08.47 | PieD | any kubuntu developer here ? |
| 08:09.16 | light_punch2 | marcusU, maybe i ll take a pict and send it to your or post on web. |
| 08:09.17 | marcusU | Cuz if somehow AT X0 or AT X1 is in there somewhere, the modem won't wait for dialtone. |
| 08:10.04 | light_punch2 | off i go |
| 08:10.27 | light_punch2 | neah, maybe i ll do it the next day. got to get some work done first. |
| 08:10.35 | light_punch2 | thx |
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| 08:11.44 | diun | i'm having this error when i tried to download my email |
| 08:12.18 | diun | could not create : couldn't talk to klauncher |
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| 08:12.47 | diun | what happened? |
| 08:17.14 | marcusU | Sometimes that happens. Maybe restart KDE? |
| 08:22.09 | diun | how? |
| 08:27.01 | hasimir44 | ctrl-alt-backspace will restart kdm... |
| 08:27.20 | hasimir44 | and all your apps - careful |
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| 08:31.41 | marcusU | Try just logging out of KDE before you do something drastic like that. |
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| 08:39.31 | sangriag | Hi, I have a question. I do not know Russian, but I am trying to help a Russian NGO to migrate from Windows to Linux (SimplyMEPIS) which has KDE as default. And I want to install kde-i18n-ru but when apt-get install I get a notification that it would remove kdebase metapackage. If that affects the English KDE and gets booted only in Russian KDE then I will be nowhere as I do not know even basic Russian. Please guide. |
| 08:41.10 | sangriag | I want every user to choose between Russian or English interface as they want. In FC and CentOS, they have the language option on the very X login page (gdm), but KDM does not seem to have such option. Help! |
| 08:44.04 | sangriag | Any KDExpert among 155 in the room guide me? |
| 08:44.29 | marcusU | sangriag: Be patient. Lots of people are asleep/drunk. Give it some time. |
| 08:45.30 | sarah03 | I'd answer, but having never set up any languages in KDE besides for English... |
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| 08:50.21 | sangriag | marcusU and sarah03: I would wait but the damn slow and unstable dial-up line in this chilling and stormy Kazakhstan makes me desperate beside I am trying to get the same information on the net, mailing lists and on the IRCs #mepis #mepislovers for some three weeks |
| 08:50.39 | sangriag | This is the second time that I waited in #kde |
| 08:51.13 | marcusU | sangriag: Well, people probably just do not have an answer. Have you considered posting to one of the KDE mailing lists, perhaps? |
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| 08:52.09 | sangriag | not yet |
| 08:52.17 | PEACEYALL | how do i add the transparency thing to kde 3.4? |
| 08:52.51 | sangriag | One of the Russian site says (which I don't understand) to do something like apt-get install kde-i18n-ru xfonts-cyryllic console-cyrillic locales xfonts-konsole |
| 08:53.16 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
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| 08:53.26 | sangriag | but the problem is apt-get install kde-i18n-ru says it would remove the kdebase metapackage and I do not want to take chance |
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| 08:53.48 | sangriag | because I do not undestand Russian :-( |
| 08:53.50 | FreeNSK | hello |
| 08:53.56 | FreeNSK | may I ask support q here? |
| 08:54.13 | marcusU | Just ask. |
| 08:55.16 | sangriag | FreeNSK, you ask, but I am still in the queue ;-) FIFO ;-) :-D |
| 08:55.26 | sangriag | jk |
| 08:55.47 | FreeNSK | question 1/2: I want to upgrade from KDE3.2.1 to 3.4 in SuSE9.1, I have downloaded the suse91 RPMs. How should I proceed and is there any specific order I should install the packages? |
| 08:55.52 | PEACEYALL | anybody else knwo how do i enable the transparncy thing |
| 08:55.53 | PEACEYALL | ? |
| 08:57.33 | FreeNSK | that's better, of course. |
| 08:57.59 | FreeNSK | PEACEYALL: transparency where? in the panel ? |
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| 08:59.49 | PEACEYALL | FreeNsk, no in the windows |
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| 09:00.34 | PEACEYALL | like when one is not selected it is tarsparent |
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| 09:04.33 | sangriag | I think my wait is over and none is aware of how to install a new language without removing kdebase metapackage ;-) |
| 09:04.36 | sangriag | all the best |
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| 09:08.09 | PEACEYALL | so dooes anyoone know how? |
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| 09:10.12 | marcusU | No. No one knows. |
| 09:10.17 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:10.19 | can|handheld | oh gosh this actually works lol |
| 09:10.26 | can|handheld | heya marcusU :) |
| 09:10.34 | marcusU | can|handheld: Hi. |
| 09:10.35 | hasimir44 | peace: no. but did you see the transparent wallpapers on boing boing a couple days ago? |
| 09:11.07 | hasimir44 | take a picture behind your monitor and make it your bkground... it's pretty cool |
| 09:11.31 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:11.43 | PEACEYALL | loll |
| 09:11.48 | PEACEYALL | thats a good idea |
| 09:11.55 | can|handheld | I saw that. It looked awesome |
| 09:12.02 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 09:12.19 | can|handheld | must have taken a really long time |
| 09:12.20 | hasimir44 | i tried it, but i'm too impatient to get it perfect |
| 09:12.24 | can|handheld | heh |
| 09:12.25 | PEACEYALL | lol |
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| 09:14.00 | hasimir44 | peace: just googled this: http://www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-19957.html |
| 09:14.35 | PEACEYALL | ill see |
| 09:14.43 | hasimir44 | nevermind |
| 09:15.27 | hasimir44 | didn't read enough... it says you need superkaramba ... an app for eye candy |
| 09:15.32 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:15.42 | PEACEYALL | i have superkaramba |
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| 09:16.00 | PEACEYALL | and wth does that have to do with my question |
| 09:16.35 | hasimir44 | you supposedly can use it to make a trans window |
| 09:16.41 | hasimir44 | good luck |
| 09:17.02 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:17.09 | PEACEYALL | but the link u gav eme |
| 09:17.17 | PEACEYALL | wth does that have to do with my question |
| 09:17.18 | PEACEYALL | :/ |
| 09:17.27 | PEACEYALL | its abouut apt-get and urpm :/ |
| 09:17.33 | can|handheld | PEACEYALL: could always try readin the faq |
| 09:17.46 | can|handheld | answer you want is under 'misc' |
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| 09:18.05 | PEACEYALL | ah someone that helped , THANK YOU |
| 09:18.07 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 09:18.41 | can|handheld | PEACEYALL: when there is a faq in the channel topic, lots of channels wont help you unless you have read it. |
| 09:19.13 | can|handheld | tis there cause those are all the questions we are sick of typing answers to!:P |
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| 09:19.34 | PEACEYALL | lol |
| 09:19.37 | PEACEYALL | ok |
| 09:19.53 | PEACEYALL | but it sas i need x.org but i have xf86 |
| 09:20.03 | marcusU | Then you need X.Org. |
| 09:20.20 | can|handheld | PEACEYALL: then you either install xorg or live without the candy i am afraid :P |
| 09:20.20 | PEACEYALL | :// |
| 09:20.27 | PEACEYALL | gah |
| 09:20.29 | PEACEYALL | life is unfair |
| 09:20.48 | brucehoult | ping canllaith |
| 09:22.12 | marcusU | Oh well. Time to umount /home and fsck. |
| 09:22.18 | can|handheld | lol hi brucehoult |
| 09:22.32 | brucehoult | ah, hi can|handheld |
| 09:22.42 | can|handheld | shame you dont have ethernet downstairs :( |
| 09:22.55 | brucehoult | *that* is why I got the wifi! |
| 09:23.09 | brucehoult | heh |
| 09:23.10 | can|handheld | this little dude does not have it tho :( |
| 09:23.25 | brucehoult | I can easily tell the PowerBook to route the wifi to ethernet for you :-) |
| 09:23.37 | brucehoult | just need a x-over cable or a hub |
| 09:23.46 | can|handheld | can do ip masq on dell too |
| 09:23.57 | can|handheld | but do you hav xover cable? |
| 09:24.10 | brucehoult | I don't think so |
| 09:24.27 | brucehoult | and all my hubs are prolly with Sveta |
| 09:24.32 | can|handheld | :( |
| 09:25.45 | PEACEYALL | brb |
| 09:25.57 | can|handheld | next thing to see is if the included ne2000 driver extends to my realtek sans dongle cause dongle's drive me nuts |
| 09:26.36 | can|handheld | oh and imap mail :D since it has telnet i guess look for a linux console one |
| 09:26.54 | can|handheld | can pine do imap? |
| 09:28.32 | sarah03 | can|handheld: Yes. |
| 09:28.45 | sarah03 | can|handheld: pine -f '{host/user=foo}INBOX' |
| 09:29.19 | sarah03 | [The '/user=foo' part isn't strictly necessary; if not specified, it'll prompt for it.] |
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| 09:35.53 | sredna | Helow all :) |
| 09:36.06 | sredna | Happy eastern |
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| 09:42.32 | markey | hey sredna |
| 09:42.38 | sredna | Hi markey :) |
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| 09:42.42 | markey | yup, happy easter :) |
| 09:43.02 | slayerbob | hi all |
| 09:43.32 | slayerbob | sounds sucky' |
| 09:43.45 | markey | heh yeah I still got that in front of me |
| 09:43.48 | markey | family stuff |
| 09:43.49 | estesoyyo | hello |
| 09:43.50 | markey | horrible ;) |
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| 09:44.18 | sarah03 | The whole food part sounds good. |
| 09:44.29 | estesoyyo | I have a problem with kmail in ubuntu. Can I ask here or better I go to another channel? |
| 09:44.31 | markey | so, who's the channel easter bunny? |
| 09:44.39 | sredna | slayerbob: I like my family, and thye are all good cooks ;) |
| 09:45.00 | basse | hi. can I make kmail to check for new mail from console? |
| 09:45.01 | slayerbob | sredna: can't stand mine :( |
| 09:45.07 | slayerbob | well... except for canllaith |
| 09:45.09 | slayerbob | :) |
| 09:46.05 | sarah03 | I can stand mine well enough, until it comes to siblings. |
| 09:46.14 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:46.15 | marcusU | I just don't have anything in common with anyone. |
| 09:50.25 | brucehoult | slayerbob: canllaith isn't family. Family is people you don't chose... |
| 09:51.36 | can|handheld | brucehoult: not quite true |
| 09:51.50 | can|handheld | my husband is family and i choose him |
| 09:51.53 | slayerbob | canllaith is the most important part of my family :) |
| 09:52.09 | can|handheld | erm, chose. |
| 09:52.29 | can|handheld | slayerbob: got irc working on the little sh3 handheld :D |
| 09:52.37 | slayerbob | :D |
| 09:52.41 | slayerbob | so i see :P |
| 09:52.50 | slayerbob | well.. assumed for your current name :P |
| 09:53.16 | can|handheld | although getting irc working on just about anything does seem to be a special gift of mine |
| 09:53.26 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:53.41 | can|handheld | pocketpc... cellphone... handheld pc.... toaster... |
| 09:53.54 | brucehoult | can|handheld: it looks as if there are wince 2.0 drivers for orinoco, but not much else |
| 09:54.00 | sarah03 | ... Why would you want to IRC from a toaster? |
| 09:54.01 | sarah03 | :D |
| 09:54.04 | can|handheld | anyone would think I was addicted to irc |
| 09:54.10 | slayerbob | :P |
| 09:54.22 | can|handheld | sarah03: it's a compulsion:P |
| 09:54.25 | brucehoult | sarah03: toast takes *time* y'know? |
| 09:54.38 | brucehoult | oooh |
| 09:54.43 | brucehoult | I could get out my 128K mac :-) |
| 09:54.44 | can|handheld | brucehoult: i found a page that suggested intersil prism too |
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| 09:55.27 | can|handheld | an orinoco wifi card is a damn good investment in any case cause they work in ANYTHING |
| 09:55.35 | slayerbob | they do ? |
| 09:55.58 | slayerbob | has gotta be better than this rtl8180 card that only works some of the time then :( |
| 09:56.00 | canllaith | mmm I seem to have crashed the handheld |
| 09:56.07 | slayerbob | lol |
| 09:56.08 | canllaith | slayerbob: lol my rtl8180 works flawlessly |
| 09:56.17 | canllaith | the thing with the orinoco gold's is they go for like $100 second hand |
| 09:56.19 | slayerbob | mine does too on holly |
| 09:56.24 | slayerbob | not sure what i broke on orac: ( |
| 09:56.26 | slayerbob | *:( |
| 09:56.34 | canllaith | lol orac worked fine when he was in my care |
| 09:56.40 | slayerbob | :( |
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| 09:57.19 | tbarkley | i've got a 8180...works great with ndiswrapper. did realtek ever get out to releasing a 2.6 driver? |
| 09:57.33 | canllaith | Nope |
| 09:57.43 | tbarkley | that's just retarded |
| 09:57.46 | canllaith | I use both of mine with ndiswrapper (I wrote the tutorial that's like 6th hit on google) |
| 09:57.48 | tbarkley | you know how long it's been |
| 09:58.15 | canllaith | oh sorry I lie, I'm 7th hit for 'ndiswrapper' |
| 09:58.20 | tbarkley | they said they were going to have a 2.6 driver a year ago or so |
| 09:58.25 | canllaith | Yeah I read that too |
| 09:58.29 | slayerbob | 7th ? |
| 09:58.34 | slayerbob | you poor thing |
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| 09:59.54 | vishal | hi guys..i have a problem...can anyone help? |
| 09:59.57 | slayerbob | hullo dessa :) |
| 10:00.04 | sarah03 | [WinCE makes a fine NetBSD bootloader. I haven't found many other purposes for it.] |
| 10:00.52 | dessa | lol well, it was in brucehoult's cupboard - and anything that will run telnet or ssh can be made useful |
| 10:01.01 | vishal | i have built kdebase 3.4 using konstruct on simplymepis and carried out the "after install" task...i still can't login to my new kde |
| 10:01.04 | brucehoult | sarah03: you mean I (ok, canllaith) could get NtBSD going on my WinCE 2.0 thiny??? |
| 10:01.05 | vishal | any suggestions? |
| 10:01.05 | slayerbob | this is true :P |
| 10:01.45 | sarah03 | brucehoult: The one that I had was a MIPS-based system as opposed to an SH3-based one; but I don't see why not. Depends mostly on how well NetBSD supports it. |
| 10:02.07 | dessa | cause that would be very cool. |
| 10:02.13 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:02.14 | sarah03 | brucehoult: They liked the IBM Workpad z50 machines because they were basically subnotebook-form-factor machines. |
| 10:02.31 | sarah03 | So... the support was there for those machines, and all things considered, it worked pretty well. |
| 10:02.34 | brucehoult | sarah03: does WinCE not run in a protected mode? |
| 10:02.59 | sarah03 | That would be the case. Or, rather, it does, but it's easy to perform privilege escalation. |
| 10:02.59 | brucehoult | so you can just ... take over? |
| 10:03.07 | brucehoult | ahh |
| 10:04.13 | dessa | The main advantage to running a bsd or other unix type os on this would be drivers |
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| 10:04.29 | sarah03 | I still have the 340M hard disk floating around here that I used in the z50. |
| 10:04.39 | dessa | for a 75Mhz with 4MB memory I does not dp too bad |
| 10:04.42 | dessa | do* |
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| 10:04.54 | dessa | mmm biggest flash card i have is 64 MB |
| 10:05.02 | sarah03 | I had far more memory in mine. |
| 10:05.21 | sarah03 | 48M ram, 131M MIPS R4k class processor. |
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| 10:05.28 | cartman | test |
| 10:05.31 | markey | test |
| 10:05.32 | sarah03 | 131MHz, too. |
| 10:05.37 | dessa | well, this is much older i guess? |
| 10:05.49 | cartman | test |
| 10:05.53 | markey | test |
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| 10:06.01 | cartman | markey: also /me test |
| 10:06.02 | cartman | pls |
| 10:06.07 | sarah03 | Doubtful; it ran WinCE 2.0. It was the high-end executive model-ish thing. |
| 10:06.13 | cartman | cool rox |
| 10:06.19 | sarah03 | I spent $450 on it, used. |
| 10:06.21 | slayerbob | what's with all the tests ? |
| 10:06.47 | dessa | heh this one was $150 NZD including pc cards |
| 10:06.50 | markey | classified research |
| 10:06.52 | markey | :P |
| 10:07.15 | dessa | slayerbob: DO remember to send me my 64M card/cardreader/ddr ram :P |
| 10:07.29 | dessa | cars reader should be near hal |
| 10:07.34 | dessa | card** |
| 10:07.46 | sarah03 | The only extras that I got with mine were a second AC adapter and serial cable, and a docking bay. |
| 10:08.05 | slayerbob | dessa: yup will do as soon as i am up there :P |
| 10:08.16 | dessa | This has modem, ethernet, serial cable + 8mb expansion |
| 10:08.20 | slayerbob | :P |
| 10:08.35 | dessa | oh and windows disks. Cannot get it to work under win tho |
| 10:08.50 | dessa | Only ppp via serial cable under nix |
| 10:08.55 | slayerbob | what version ? |
| 10:09.02 | sarah03 | It had the windows disks for it; I don't know whatever happened to them. |
| 10:09.15 | dessa | Win2k, apparently it needs NT? |
| 10:09.17 | sarah03 | Built-in modem, but no ethernet. |
| 10:09.47 | sarah03 | On the other hand, 1 PCMCIA type III slot, and one CF II+ slot. |
| 10:09.48 | dessa | but I only have that one 2k install I have for PLC sydney |
| 10:09.52 | slayerbob | do we even have nt disks ? |
| 10:10.05 | dessa | slayerbob: nope |
| 10:10.25 | slayerbob | didn't think so |
| 10:10.40 | dessa | slayerbob: is 8139 card ne2000 ? |
| 10:10.59 | slayerbob | sort of |
| 10:11.04 | slayerbob | ne2000 is 10Mbps |
| 10:11.11 | slayerbob | 8139 is 100Mbps |
| 10:11.25 | sredna | Hi cannlaith |
| 10:11.29 | sredna | Happy eastern |
| 10:11.32 | dessa | apparently this thing will take type 2 cardbus stuff |
| 10:11.34 | slayerbob | as i understand it 8139 uses some kind of enhanced ne2000 language |
| 10:11.45 | dessa | sredna: :) |
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| 10:12.12 | slayerbob | pda ? |
| 10:12.21 | slayerbob | what happened to the handhelf ? |
| 10:12.26 | slayerbob | *handheld |
| 10:12.32 | canll|pda | too much typing |
| 10:12.44 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:12.52 | canll|pda | typing one handed on it's itty bitty keyboard |
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| 10:13.23 | canll|pda | although one nice thing it is small enough to hold easily in one hand and type with tjhe other |
| 10:13.26 | brucehoult | canll|pda: I have NT4 CDs |
| 10:13.45 | slayerbob | lol |
| 10:13.51 | canll|pda | brucehoult: masochist |
| 10:14.00 | sarah03 | Mm. That was something I could never stand - keyboards that were too small to effectively type on. |
| 10:14.04 | brucehoult | hey it runs *fast* compared to 2k! |
| 10:14.27 | canll|pda | I like this much better than the e310 |
| 10:14.30 | brucehoult | that's important when you're running it in VirtualPC on a 266 |
| 10:14.32 | slayerbob | i dunno... 2k is pretty fast |
| 10:14.47 | canll|pda | which has no keyboard and bad h/w recog |
| 10:15.12 | slayerbob | but makes a darned fine book reader :) |
| 10:15.36 | canll|pda | slayerbob: true |
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| 10:15.40 | bEe_ | hello!! |
| 10:15.50 | bEe_ | anyboy here? |
| 10:15.56 | brucehoult | no |
| 10:16.01 | bEe_ | i have a question about kaudiocreator |
| 10:16.12 | slayerbob | bEe_: so just ask it... |
| 10:16.33 | canll|pda | :P ok so i am shopping for something like this with a keyboard for next pda |
| 10:16.37 | bEe_ | is it possible to get track tags in right ecoding from CDDB ?? |
| 10:16.59 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 10:17.44 | bEe_ | there are no settings to choose character encoding in KAudiokreator |
| 10:17.57 | bEe_ | slayerbob, why LOL ? |
| 10:18.36 | slayerbob | bEe_: why not ? |
| 10:19.15 | bEe_ | i'm trying to grab some russian tracks but must write each track name by hand |
| 10:19.40 | bEe_ | because there are only strange symbols in tags from CDDB |
| 10:21.15 | slayerbob | oh right |
| 10:21.38 | slayerbob | i was laughing at canll|pda's comment... |
| 10:22.02 | bEe_ | ok :) |
| 10:22.18 | bEe_ | so what about kaudiocreator? |
| 10:22.37 | bEe_ | are there any othe software to do this? %) |
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| 10:28.04 | shogo | hi |
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| 10:29.41 | Frost^ | hello |
| 10:29.59 | Frost^ | can someone please help me with this screenshot: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=7120&file1=7120-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=KPager2+for+Kicker |
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| 10:30.31 | Frost^ | at the bottom left corner there are launch icons (or at least I think they are) |
| 10:30.43 | Frost^ | aligned in a small square |
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| 10:30.52 | Frost^ | can anyone tell me how to do that? |
| 10:30.57 | shogo | is there a way to specify what program had to be launched when an audio/recordable CD is inserted ? |
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| 10:33.58 | sredna | FrostByte: It's the launcher applet |
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| 10:34.12 | simmerz | what packages are the sony vaio and toshiba laptop extensions in KControl under? |
| 10:34.40 | radi0head | simmerz; In your kernel. |
| 10:34.54 | radi0head | simmerz; If they are not in your kernel, you need to recompile it. |
| 10:35.13 | simmerz | radi0head: I've disabled them, but they still come up... and i have recompiled the kernel without them. first thing i did |
| 10:35.13 | sredna | Frost^: Simply rightclick kicker (the panel) and navigate to Panel Menu->add to panel->applet and select the application launcher |
| 10:35.26 | radi0head | Simkin; k, I don't know then. |
| 10:35.37 | radi0head | I have to go, take care |
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| 10:43.45 | mijenix | has someone a ntfs partition and mp3 on it and can test something? |
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| 10:44.29 | Frost^ | sredna, thanks :) |
| 10:44.38 | sredna | :) |
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| 10:48.40 | mijenix | can somebody test and play an mp3 with xmms and moves in KDE a window and test that the music still play? |
| 10:49.09 | simmerz | what options do i need to disable to stop the ibm thinkpad and vaio modules appearing in kcontrol? |
| 10:49.43 | sredna | simmerz: Edit their .desktop files |
| 10:50.00 | simmerz | sredna: explain? |
| 10:50.32 | sredna | simmerz: It's really simple if you find the files |
| 10:50.45 | simmerz | sredna: and where would they be? |
| 10:51.03 | sredna | In KDEDIR/share/applications/kde |
| 10:51.18 | sredna | Where KDEDIR is the kde installation location |
| 10:51.19 | _phreak | Kde 3.4 rocks my face :) |
| 10:51.54 | ikama | hello |
| 10:51.58 | ikama | does anybody have experience with kitchensync desktop-notebook |
| 10:52.54 | simmerz | sredna: found it. now what exactly do i need to do? Its not at all clear |
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| 10:54.31 | sredna | simmerz: Try removing 'X-KDE-settings-system;' from the Categories |
| 10:55.19 | simmerz | ok. further question then... surely kde should be detecting whether i have a vaio or thinkpad and removing accordingly anyway? |
| 10:56.22 | sredna | simmerz: Don't ask me. File a bug report agains those modules |
| 11:00.50 | ikama | does anybody have experience with kitchensync desktop-notebook |
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| 11:01.37 | slayerbob | wb canllaith |
| 11:01.44 | canllaith | Right, third time lucky. Lets hope bloody Konversation doesn't crash on me this time =p |
| 11:01.46 | canllaith | thanks slayerbob |
| 11:02.08 | canllaith | lol |
| 11:02.31 | canllaith | :D thanks sarah03, glue me to my chair would you? Stop me falling off every 5 minutes |
| 11:02.36 | canllaith | s/minutes/seconds |
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| 11:02.51 | slayerbob | falling off your chair ? |
| 11:02.58 | canllaith | yep, and out of the IRC channel. |
| 11:03.19 | Goliath23 | is there a possibility to turn of those new tooltips for the kicker apps and kmenu? |
| 11:03.25 | canllaith | Yes. |
| 11:03.54 | canllaith | Right click on kicker and go to configure panel. Under 'Appearance' utick Enable icon mouseover effects |
| 11:05.06 | Goliath23 | ahhh |
| 11:05.09 | Goliath23 | what a relief ;) |
| 11:05.13 | Goliath23 | thanks ;) |
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| 11:11.12 | [-D7-] | hello |
| 11:12.23 | [-D7-] | when I try to burn one CD with mp3 files, there is one of them that appears the message error "Unsupported format" |
| 11:12.36 | [-D7-] | only one mp3 file of them |
| 11:13.28 | [-D7-] | they belong to the same album, so I think they were ripped the same way |
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| 11:16.34 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 11:17.23 | LaoV | hi guys...can anyone help me? |
| 11:17.42 | LaoV | i've just compiled kdebase 3.4 on my mepis system and ... |
| 11:17.51 | LaoV | carried out the after install task |
| 11:18.00 | LaoV | but i still cant log in to my new kde |
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| 11:18.04 | LaoV | any suggestions? |
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| 11:55.01 | defcon8 | when i start kde and it configures peripherals i get this error: _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for local |
| 11:55.04 | defcon8 | KSMServer: Error listening for connections: Cannot establish any listening socke |
| 11:55.06 | defcon8 | wgar do i do? |
| 11:55.09 | defcon8 | ts |
| 11:55.11 | defcon8 | KSMServer: Aborting. |
| 11:56.35 | defcon8 | doesnt anyone know what to do? |
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| 12:00.26 | defcon8 | damn how hard can it be to get some fkn help around here |
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| 12:02.18 | [Aura]kingwanja | is there any bugs in amarok because im not getting any sound from it ? |
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| 12:04.27 | simmerz | When I enable translucency in kde 3.4, it becomes really slow. I'm using the nvidia driver and have Composite set to enable. It was working well in rc1 but since then i have reinstalled my system. |
| 12:04.46 | canllaith | simmerz: check the faq |
| 12:04.52 | canllaith | chances are you've forgotten RenderAccel |
| 12:05.00 | simmerz | aha |
| 12:05.02 | canllaith | (it's under 'miscellaneous questions' in the faq that's in the topic) |
| 12:05.45 | [Aura]kingwanja | hi there can \o |
| 12:06.40 | canllaith | ullo [Aura]kingwanja |
| 12:07.17 | [Aura]kingwanja | long time no see |
| 12:07.19 | ImNotMark | hrmnmm ever since i updated kde now kopete is adding duplicate users for my friends list |
| 12:07.32 | ImNotMark | only on AOL tho |
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| 12:12.06 | [Aura]kingwanja | do dvd rw work ok with kde ? |
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| 12:13.53 | fanti | hmm i've no helvetica in kde?? are there some font-packages missing? huuh? |
| 12:14.20 | sredna | Kde uses the fonts installed on your system. |
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| 12:28.43 | tricente | cu ;) |
| 12:30.29 | scrooge | o.0 |
| 12:30.46 | scrooge | aww somebody highlighted meeee |
| 12:30.48 | scrooge | :? |
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| 12:32.14 | fanti | i've no helvetica in kde? |
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| 12:32.18 | fanti | hmm |
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| 12:47.34 | sredna | Johanna: Pop3 or IMAP? |
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| 12:49.32 | Johanna | sredna, pop3 |
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| 13:02.25 | ireverentReveren | ok, so my wireless WAS working... and then i started messing with the config panel in kcontrol and now it doesnt work... what files got modified? |
| 13:02.40 | ireverentReveren | so i can check them by hand and get wireless back? |
| 13:09.43 | scrooge | is the pager going to have realtime desktop pics? |
| 13:09.56 | scrooge | have yall seen this? http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots |
| 13:10.00 | scrooge | HOLY SHIT MAN! |
| 13:10.04 | scrooge | thats awesome |
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| 13:12.14 | sredna | scrooge: It's slow, usually |
| 13:12.37 | sredna | scrooge: But the alternative pager on kde-apps.org does provide that |
| 13:14.33 | ImNotMark | damn auto away |
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| 13:19.03 | ImNotMark | i dont see the point of w2obbly windows, waste of resources |
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| 13:20.07 | Zeep | Heya |
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| 13:23.07 | sredna | ImNotMark: Absolutely :) |
| 13:25.32 | delmonic1 | anyone knows how to print Descriptions and Locations of Dates in KOrganizer on the filofax pages? |
| 13:26.26 | sredna | I dont' know what filofax is |
| 13:27.05 | delmonic1 | default printing mode... prints very nice week summary |
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| 13:28.45 | Quinn_Storm | hey, quick question. I use firefox since konqueror doesn't seem to have support for things I use often (adblock, and a simple feature, middle click to close a tab, among others) and I was wondering if there's an easy way to get ffox to integrate with kde's mime-handler system (currently it uses gnome's and that's exactly what I want it not to do) |
| 13:29.15 | PieD | no |
| 13:29.18 | PieD | you can't do that |
| 13:29.49 | Quinn_Storm | PieD: are you certain? |
| 13:29.57 | scrooge | heh |
| 13:29.59 | PieD | quite certain |
| 13:30.07 | scrooge | that would defy the laws of physics |
| 13:30.13 | ataxic | and if ff is compiled with QT frontend? |
| 13:30.16 | scrooge | gnome working nicely with kde? |
| 13:30.17 | scrooge | OB |
| 13:30.31 | Quinn_Storm | scrooge: ffox isn't a gnome app, its just that gnome wrote extensions for it to let it use their mime db |
| 13:30.43 | ataxic | ah |
| 13:30.48 | scrooge | is it not gtk? |
| 13:31.07 | ataxic | scrooge: there are a few frontends |
| 13:31.10 | Quinn_Storm | scrooge: not -really- it actually reads the gtk theme and then applies it to its own xul widgets |
| 13:31.19 | PieD | Quinn_Storm: firefox is more a gnome app than a KDE app |
| 13:31.26 | Quinn_Storm | scrooge: or at least it does with the "default" ffox theme |
| 13:31.36 | scrooge | ataxic, how do u mean? |
| 13:31.45 | scrooge | there are a few firefox frontends? o.0 |
| 13:31.46 | ataxic | there is qt aswell |
| 13:31.52 | scrooge | link? |
| 13:31.57 | ataxic | google |
| 13:32.03 | ataxic | its not stable tho |
| 13:32.05 | Quinn_Storm | PieD: well yeah but that's not a requirement, kde just hasn't put the work into it b/c of konqueror (which I don't mind, just would like to have adblock and UI features like middle click to close tab) |
| 13:32.14 | scrooge | i;d imagine...lol |
| 13:32.31 | ataxic | or atleast the one i used was kinda rubbish |
| 13:32.42 | scrooge | there are many? wtf |
| 13:32.49 | scrooge | any name to look for? |
| 13:33.04 | PieD | Quinn_Storm: adblock for konqueror : just use a proxy + squid |
| 13:33.15 | PieD | it is better because all your apps have the benefits of that |
| 13:33.31 | scrooge | i see a /. for the engine being ported |
| 13:33.32 | ataxic | http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/firefox/hendikins/firefox-qt/ |
| 13:33.36 | scrooge | not firefox |
| 13:33.39 | scrooge | ok |
| 13:33.42 | ataxic | first result on google 'firefox qt' |
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| 13:33.53 | scrooge | i searched for firefox qt frontend |
| 13:33.53 | ataxic | its not that hard |
| 13:33.58 | ataxic | ah k |
| 13:34.08 | scrooge | the frontend threw google off |
| 13:34.09 | scrooge | pfft |
| 13:34.24 | ataxic | hehe |
| 13:34.28 | ataxic | try the latest |
| 13:34.33 | sredna | scrooge: There is some time before firefox with qt widgets will be working |
| 13:34.38 | ataxic | i suspect other to be unstable |
| 13:35.36 | ataxic | i use nuvola plastik theme on firefox for now |
| 13:35.40 | Quinn_Storm | hey there's a secret option to enable middle mouse close inkde3.4 |
| 13:35.45 | ataxic | to make it look alright |
| 13:35.48 | Quinn_Storm | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82957 |
| 13:35.57 | Quinn_Storm | looks like konq w/ an adblocking proxy might just be my solution |
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| 13:36.36 | sredna | ataraxis: Ad blocking is pretty easy to achieve, using a /etc/hosts file + eventually a stylesheet that hides ad blocks in documents. |
| 13:36.50 | sredna | ataraxis: For the other one, go file a wishlist issues on bugs.kde.org |
| 13:37.32 | ataxic | uhm |
| 13:37.34 | sredna | ataraxis: Probably others will support the wish. |
| 13:37.52 | ataxic | that looks like my nick hehe |
| 13:38.00 | ataxic | kind of |
| 13:38.25 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: you do know it was me asking about this stuff not ataraxis right? |
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| 13:38.58 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: Oops, sorry :) |
| 13:39.17 | ataxic | Quinn_Storm: i thought the same |
| 13:39.31 | ataxic | and i thought he was talking to me nick tabbing the wrong nick :) |
| 13:39.48 | ataxic | and I didn't ask anything either :) |
| 13:39.49 | aseigo_de | hullo hullo |
| 13:39.55 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: its okay. well time to set up an adblocking proxy or something...I think there's something in the debian/ubuntu pool somewhere |
| 13:40.06 | Quinn_Storm | any reccomendations on a good adblocking proxy? |
| 13:40.08 | ataxic | ataraxis: you can go back to sleep, everything is under control |
| 13:40.39 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: I really mean what I said about using a hosts file. |
| 13:40.45 | pinheir0 | hapy easter |
| 13:40.48 | pinheir0 | :) |
| 13:40.52 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: There are places at the internet that provides good ones |
| 13:41.05 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: yeah, though I'd wind up with junk or worse, weird requests to a local webserver |
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| 13:41.31 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: And there is a stylesheet available that will hide ad blocks |
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| 13:42.11 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: wouldn't the proxy solution be easier? why do you advocate the stylesheet/hosts file? |
| 13:42.47 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: Because it is easy |
| 13:42.58 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: well so is the debian package for the adblocking proxy |
| 13:43.04 | sredna | And low resource, at least for me |
| 13:43.23 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: yeah it might be lower resource to use the hosts file, but w/ 512MB ram & an athlon 1.2ghz a proxy prob. won't mattet |
| 13:43.24 | sredna | Quinn_Storm: Do you have a URL? I'd like to see it :) |
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| 13:43.40 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: I don't remember, I set it up a while ago on a lesser machine and took it back off |
| 13:43.42 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: looking for it now |
| 13:44.06 | aseigo_de | canllaith: ping |
| 13:44.39 | Quinn_Storm | sredna: well so far there's filterproxy but thats not the one I was looking for...ah, privoxy |
| 13:45.00 | sredna | Hi aseigo_de, happy eastern :) |
| 13:45.07 | scrooge | -n |
| 13:45.10 | scrooge | :P |
| 13:45.30 | sarah03 | Hm. All of the random bullshit advertisements don't bother me so much. I tweaked Konqueror to obey the text color that I defined over in Appearance->Colors, and so at least the Google-style text advertisements I can't even read. |
| 13:45.35 | aseigo_de | sredna: thx ... how are things? |
| 13:45.55 | sarah03 | And I get a bit of mild amusement when I go to Slashdot and see a Microsoft banner add proclaiming Windows to be more secure than Linux. |
| 13:46.10 | sredna | aseigo_de: Thanks, I'm fine :) I hope you are as well? Are you in europe? |
| 13:46.19 | aseigo_de | yes.. berlin |
| 13:46.33 | aseigo_de | in the middle of berlin... hanging out with someone i met last night at a club |
| 13:46.37 | sredna | Oh, nice :) |
| 13:46.51 | sredna | I hope you get a sense of spring down there |
| 13:47.16 | aseigo_de | right now... it's foggy and drizzling |
| 13:47.33 | Alkis71 | Hello ppl. Not exactly kde question but I would appreciate a pointer. I have two scsi disk (sda, sdb)...the problem is when I have a usb memory stick plugged in on boot gets sdb and makes my second disk sdc....Can I "pin" my second disk to sdb? |
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| 13:48.01 | aseigo_de | yes... use mounting by labels |
| 13:48.03 | charolastra | hi |
| 13:48.24 | aseigo_de | hoi hoi |
| 13:48.26 | Alkis71 | aseigo_de: and loose automounting of usb keys? |
| 13:48.28 | Quinn_Storm | good, got privoxy up and running...brb |
| 13:49.25 | charolastra | my problem: i'm playing around with kgpg and made keys there but now i try to encrypt a file wthrough it's context menue where i get "public key not found" |
| 13:49.52 | charolastra | do i have to export them to gpg? |
| 13:56.10 | charolastra | problem solved; i hat to reenable it in kgpg's settings |
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| 13:57.13 | kleinerfreak | hi out there... does anyone know how to change the icon on the k-menu? |
| 13:57.36 | Quinn_Storm | bbs |
| 13:57.55 | scrooge | kleinerfreak, edit source! |
| 13:57.57 | scrooge | :P |
| 13:59.10 | canllaith | aseigo_de: I'm here |
| 13:59.17 | scrooge | moin! |
| 13:59.19 | aseigo_de | canllaith: hez hez ´= |
| 13:59.28 | aseigo_de | god damned german keyboards |
| 13:59.28 | kleinerfreak | but there has to be a way to change it without... i mean, it's only a picture!? |
| 13:59.33 | scrooge | lol |
| 13:59.41 | scrooge | hahaha |
| 13:59.47 | canllaith | aseigo_de: eheh. So how's you goin? |
| 13:59.52 | aseigo_de | kleinerfreak: you have to replace the icon on disc |
| 13:59.59 | aseigo_de | canllaith: pretty good... |
| 14:00.07 | aseigo_de | canllaith: last day in berlin... am tired |
| 14:00.16 | kleinerfreak | aseigo: and what's its name? |
| 14:00.23 | canllaith | :) Looking at the pics on your blog, I'm not surprised |
| 14:00.30 | canllaith | kleinerfreak: dude, it's in the FAQ that's in the topic as you come into he channel :) |
| 14:00.33 | canllaith | Under 'Panel' |
| 14:00.52 | kleinerfreak | canllaith: thanks |
| 14:00.56 | aseigo_de | kleinerfreak: kmenu.png |
| 14:01.11 | aseigo_de | canllaith: how's kiwiland_ |
| 14:01.23 | aseigo_de | god. i wish i knew how to switch keymaps in windows |
| 14:01.35 | canllaith | Yeah not bad :) I'm sitting up in bed looking out over the city lights |
| 14:01.44 | canllaith | ontop of a biiiiig hill so they're all far below and twinkly. |
| 14:02.10 | r00tsh3ll | http://slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 gnome was dropped from slackware current! :-p point to kde lol |
| 14:02.22 | aseigo_de | r00tsh3ll: old news |
| 14:02.27 | canllaith | oh really, he finally did it? |
| 14:02.30 | aseigo_de | canllaith: which city? |
| 14:02.32 | r00tsh3ll | ya |
| 14:02.42 | canllaith | aseigo_de: Wellington still :) |
| 14:02.42 | aseigo_de | yes you should =P |
| 14:02.45 | aseigo_de | ah |
| 14:03.42 | canllaith | He's in his bed, snoring no doubt. |
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| 14:03.55 | canllaith | Although for once I can't hear him from my room so that's a good thing :) |
| 14:03.56 | canllaith | ;) |
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| 14:04.47 | shmoolik | hello |
| 14:05.29 | scrooge | hi |
| 14:05.39 | scrooge | can i take your order please |
| 14:06.03 | aseigo_de | would you like fries with that? |
| 14:06.03 | shmoolik | hum... i would like to have some tea plz :) |
| 14:06.14 | scrooge | ok fries and tea coming up |
| 14:06.22 | scrooge | can i interest u in a fruit salad? |
| 14:06.39 | aseigo_de | canllaith: fucking mirc |
| 14:06.40 | shmoolik | no thanks i just made me some |
| 14:06.41 | shmoolik | :) |
| 14:06.49 | shmoolik | but thanks any way |
| 14:06.57 | scrooge | aseigo_de, !!!!!!! |
| 14:07.04 | scrooge | http://silverex.info |
| 14:07.09 | aseigo_de | it's not my computer |
| 14:07.17 | scrooge | must be hell |
| 14:07.23 | aseigo_de | i'm at someone else's house in the middle of berlin |
| 14:07.29 | scrooge | oh |
| 14:07.32 | scrooge | eheh |
| 14:07.43 | aseigo_de | so... i have no choice in the matter |
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| 14:08.47 | shmoolik | DAMN i love the new KDE |
| 14:09.35 | Zeep | Chicken McNuggets, please |
| 14:10.44 | canllaith | aseigo_de: ah, fair enough :) |
| 14:10.54 | canllaith | So how has everything gone? Has it been a ... fruitful trip ? |
| 14:11.24 | Zeep | o.O |
| 14:11.36 | aseigo_de | canllaith: so far so good |
| 14:11.46 | aseigo_de | right now i'm having pictures taken |
| 14:11.54 | shmoolik | were can i enable the ¨GemmeSomeBeer" option? |
| 14:11.58 | canllaith | I'm glad to hear it :) Looks like you've had an absolute *ball* |
| 14:12.00 | scrooge | celebrity? |
| 14:12.18 | canllaith | oh, aseigo_de is a celebrity ;) |
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| 14:12.27 | scrooge | :D:D |
| 14:12.27 | aseigo_de | canllaith: hahaha.. yeah... the partying has been good |
| 14:12.32 | canllaith | Everyone loves to misquote him, that's a sure sign of fame. |
| 14:12.37 | scrooge | aseigo_de, d00d can i say ib know u? |
| 14:12.45 | scrooge | that way i can meet alotta ppl! |
| 14:12.46 | aseigo_de | that's right baby... misquote me! |
| 14:12.58 | scrooge | haha |
| 14:13.04 | aseigo_de | scrooge: um.. sure... if you think it'll help |
| 14:13.09 | scrooge | :P |
| 14:13.23 | aseigo_de | canllaith: don't worry ... i won't |
| 14:13.26 | canllaith | hahaha |
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| 14:13.35 | canllaith | I've missed you :) |
| 14:13.41 | aseigo_de | likewise =) |
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| 14:14.10 | simmerz | is it possible to enable shadows for kdm as well as just for each users session? |
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| 14:14.56 | llama32 | can anybody tell me why ever since i copied a folder in konq, both the original and new folder, when i go to them (in anything else its fine) in konq now, it goes to google? |
| 14:18.47 | Zeep | larry the cow is back: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=22172&file1=22172-1.png&file2=22172-2.png&file3=22172-3.png&name=larry+the+cow |
| 14:18.52 | Zeep | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22172&PHPSESSID=75dc6f2836e70b74510f5874ffb267c7 |
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| 14:21.57 | aseigo_de | oh god ... she's laughing at my usb watch now |
| 14:22.07 | scrooge | ? |
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| 14:25.51 | pgquiles | hello |
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| 14:28.45 | ImNotMark | usb watch? |
| 14:29.02 | ImNotMark | is it one of those storage drive ones |
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| 14:29.41 | pgquiles | re |
| 14:29.45 | lexNL | hiya guys. I get thumbnail preview for pictures, but not movies... how can I get thumbnail previews for movies as well? (files like .avi) |
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| 14:31.45 | Quinn_Storm | any advice does anyone know of a weather applet for kde that can show forecasts? |
| 14:31.59 | ImNotMark | superkaramba |
| 14:32.15 | Quinn_Storm | ImNotMark: something that docks into a panel would be nice, I almost never see my desktop |
| 14:32.47 | ImNotMark | whats wrong with the weather report applet? |
| 14:32.59 | Quinn_Storm | ImNotMark: it only shows the current weather |
| 14:33.00 | llama32 | can anybody tell me why ever since i copied a folder in konq, both the original and new folder, when i go to them (in anything else its fine) in konq now, it goes to google? |
| 14:33.53 | Quinn_Storm | llama32: look in them for a file that begins with a dot...I think its called .directory or .desktop or something and it describes what to do with them |
| 14:34.20 | llama32 | okay... why's it just happened now though? should i report a bug? |
| 14:34.49 | Quinn_Storm | llama32: not sure |
| 14:35.08 | canllaith | it would be worth checking bugs.kde.org to see if it's already been reported. |
| 14:35.22 | canllaith | If nothing else, workarounds are often to be found in the comments posted to a particular bug. |
| 14:35.49 | llama32 | ah crap my mistake... sorry |
| 14:36.28 | llama32 | i just realised i went to test wget before and downloaded index.html off google :| cant believe i didnt notice that before |
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| 14:47.16 | Quinn_Storm | anyone know why I'm only seeing thumbnails for some of my images in a given folder and not all? they are even the same format and I can see the preview in the tooltip |
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| 14:49.21 | r00tsh3ll | kopete stops the download when i close the window conversation.. does anybody found a solution to this bug? |
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| 14:50.17 | r00tsh3ll | strange cuz it doesnt keep the socket open after close the conversation window.. seems that it doenst check if there is a transfer in progress... |
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| 14:50.42 | DexterF | hi. |
| 14:52.06 | DexterF | I have the k menu, kcontrol menu and 20 launchers in the taskbar. plus knewsitcker, screenlock/logout and all that stuff. window bar is seperate beneath taskbar. |
| 14:52.21 | DexterF | so the taskbar is pretty tightly crammed full. |
| 14:52.35 | DexterF | now I upgraded to 3.4 and find half of my launchers are gone. |
| 14:52.38 | DexterF | why? |
| 14:53.11 | canllaith | I'd assume your user configuration became corrupted. Either that, or you're using a distro that creates a new $KDEHOME for each version. |
| 14:53.18 | aseigo_de | because half of them don't exist in zour menu anymore? |
| 14:53.30 | canllaith | That too :P |
| 14:53.44 | aseigo_de | zour. fucking german keyboards. gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 14:53.54 | sarah03 | aseigo_de: Having fun with that German keymap? |
| 14:53.58 | aseigo_de | no |
| 14:53.59 | r00tsh3ll | lol |
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| 14:54.07 | canllaith | lol dude you should get a happy hacker keyboard and carry it around with you |
| 14:54.09 | aseigo_de | all the useful keys are hidden. |
| 14:54.10 | canllaith | either that or a laptop |
| 14:54.22 | aseigo_de | my laptop is at the office |
| 14:54.44 | sarah03 | Can't say I've got a clue what a standard German keymap looks like. |
| 14:54.45 | aseigo_de | i'd need a seriously light and durable laptop to be bringing it around to the clubs |
| 14:55.29 | DexterF | canllaith: config is fine, i don't see anything in kickerrc that looks wrong, slackware won't touch ~/.kde. |
| 14:55.29 | sarah03 | But by the looks of it, I'd be making even more typos than I already do. |
| 14:55.36 | Zeep | z and y are interchanged on a german keyboard :-D |
| 14:55.39 | canllaith | DexterF: very true that. |
| 14:55.56 | aseigo_de | Zeep: and that's just the start |
| 14:55.59 | aseigo_de | öäß |
| 14:56.12 | aseigo_de | ' is above they# which is by the enter kez |
| 14:56.15 | aseigo_de | key |
| 14:56.15 | canllaith | umlauts are very useful things |
| 14:56.21 | aseigo_de | @ is under the Q |
| 14:56.30 | Zeep | :-p |
| 14:56.39 | aseigo_de | the / is above the 7 |
| 14:56.41 | aseigo_de | etc etc |
| 14:56.49 | aseigo_de | generally very fucky |
| 14:56.51 | canllaith | I know, it's awful. I have to type at 2 wpm looking at the keyboard on a german keyboard. It sucks. |
| 14:56.54 | r00tsh3ll | ehe |
| 14:57.17 | sarah03 | Heh. I have a hard enough time typing on keyboards that do things as simple as moving the backslash to be next to the backspace key. |
| 14:57.55 | DexterF | i wish i had an english keyb and could generate umlaute with alt+shift+aou or so. |
| 14:57.56 | canllaith | hehehe or playing musical laptops... they all seem to delight in putting the 'fn' key and 'ctl' in different places relative to each other |
| 14:58.09 | canllaith | older powerbook is like fn ctrl cmd alt |
| 14:58.14 | canllaith | my laptop is ctrl fin win alt |
| 14:58.20 | Zeep | yeah, Ctrl and FN are often at different places :-d |
| 14:58.21 | DexterF | aseigo_de: i seriously doubt "konqueror" isn't in the menu anymore ein 3.4 |
| 14:58.23 | canllaith | Guess who can't use emacs on a powerbook without swearing and cursing :P |
| 14:58.25 | DexterF | *in |
| 14:58.30 | Zeep | or keys like delete, insert, ... |
| 14:58.37 | aseigo_de | canllaith: lol |
| 14:58.52 | canllaith | Yeah yeah. Guess who can't use emacs in general without swearing and cursing. Come on, you wanna say it. |
| 14:58.53 | sarah03 | canllaith: *shrug* I can't use emacs without swearing and cursing anyway. |
| 14:59.01 | canllaith | she shoots SHE SCORES! |
| 14:59.01 | sarah03 | And then promptly finding another terminal to run 'killall -9 emacs'. |
| 14:59.29 | Zeep | Apple doesn't print the Shift + - Designation on the keyboard, right? |
| 14:59.41 | canllaith | hehehe given my choice my fav editors are neither emacs nor vi/m |
| 14:59.52 | aseigo_de | katepart |
| 15:00.11 | Zeep | If I had to choose between emacs/vi(m), I'd coose vi(m) :-) |
| 15:00.57 | sarah03 | I'll begrudgingly use vim; if my only choice of editor is emacs, I'll edit files with cat, sed, and grep. |
| 15:01.09 | canllaith | Well, that's a pretty silly waste of time over a religious matter if you ask me. |
| 15:01.17 | canllaith | I use what's on the damn pc cause I have better things to do :) |
| 15:01.23 | canllaith | If that's notepad then baby bring it on. |
| 15:01.27 | aseigo_de | i don't |
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| 15:01.35 | sarah03 | canllaith: It's a matter of I've never been able to figure my way through emacs. |
| 15:01.48 | canllaith | sarah03: well if it causes you more time and trouble to use emacs then that's a very valid reason not to use it :) |
| 15:02.14 | Zeep | EMACS is no longer an editor, it's a fully-featured OS ;-) |
| 15:02.28 | sarah03 | Of course, when I'm not using Kate, I'm using pico or nano. |
| 15:03.26 | Zeep | ... or Microsoft(R) Windows(TM) Notepad(TM) |
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| 15:03.50 | sarah03 | Zeep: Typically, in that case, I'm using putty to ssh to a box that has pico or nano installed on it. |
| 15:03.51 | sarah03 | :D |
| 15:03.56 | Zeep | :-) |
| 15:04.53 | canllaith | Nano is rather nice |
| 15:04.55 | Zeep | ça, c'est très bien :-D |
| 15:05.03 | canllaith | pico has a windows version which is appreciated |
| 15:05.07 | sarah03 | nano doesn't get in my way. |
| 15:05.17 | canllaith | I have nightmares about submiting windows line endings to cvs |
| 15:05.26 | canllaith | So I try to not use a non unix editor =p |
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| 15:05.36 | dwango | I use nano in a konsole window more than I use kate or kwrite |
| 15:05.59 | Zeep | hm, can't say much more thant ht if i'm speaking french |
| 15:06.02 | dwango | canllaith: just run dos2unix =) |
| 15:06.04 | Zeep | ht=that |
| 15:06.20 | canllaith | dwango: heh one more thing for me to remember. So much easier to just use a sane editor! :P |
| 15:07.47 | sarah03 | *shrug* I use pico/nano for everything out of pure habit. |
| 15:07.53 | Zeep | hehe |
| 15:07.57 | BlackBsd | hi, i have recently updated kppp and i can no longer as a normal user dial out to my isp... the error logs are stating pppd died. i have checked the permissions on pppd, any ideas? |
| 15:08.27 | BlackBsd | besides recompiling pppd, nothing has changed |
| 15:08.38 | Zeep | Uh, don't really know any solutions, as I'm using a regular Ethernet-connection |
| 15:08.51 | BlackBsd | and i can, as root dial out |
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| 15:08.56 | sarah03 | BlackBsd: 'ls -l $KDEDIR/bin/kppp' - what does that have to say? |
| 15:09.53 | BlackBsd | it reads /usr/kde/3.3/bin/kppp it is a gentoo system |
| 15:10.08 | sarah03 | BlackBsd: "-l" - is it SUID root? |
| 15:10.43 | BlackBsd | sorry, -rws--x--x 1 root ... yes it is suid root |
| 15:10.48 | sarah03 | Hm. |
| 15:11.16 | BlackBsd | it has worked for me for a long time before... |
| 15:11.49 | sarah03 | All of my installations of kppp [KDE 3.2, 3.3, and 3.4b2] are SUID root, and I've never had an issue with them. |
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| 15:12.17 | sarah03 | Well, except for when I got stuck actually having to use dialup again, I had to go find myself a copy of pppd, but that's about it. |
| 15:12.26 | BlackBsd | the error log read: cant open routing table /tmp/.initrd/proc/net/route: no such file or directory |
| 15:12.45 | sarah03 | '/tmp/.initrd'? |
| 15:12.48 | BlackBsd | and i do not have this dir. but again root can dialout |
| 15:19.08 | sarah03 | I'm without a clue as to your problem. :\ |
| 15:19.21 | BlackBsd | its ok, i think its a problem with pppd not kppp |
| 15:19.33 | BlackBsd | i cannot event diaout using the command line |
| 15:21.49 | xzz | BlackBsd: downgrade pppd |
| 15:23.09 | BlackBsd | good idea, let me try |
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| 15:27.44 | ataxic | if I modify my kmenu where does it store the modified kmenu? |
| 15:27.44 | illogic-al | anyone on a windows computer now? |
| 15:28.02 | ataxic | i was just a sec ago |
| 15:28.10 | sarah03 | illogic-al: I'm not on a Windows box right now, but I've got easy access to such things. |
| 15:28.20 | canllaith | ataxic: ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 15:28.31 | ataxic | canllaith: thnx, that explains it |
| 15:29.28 | illogic-al | sarah03: thanks but i found what i was looking for. |
| 15:29.37 | canllaith | it is there to conform to freedesktop.org standards :) |
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| 15:31.19 | ataxic | yeh i renamed .kde and i was kinda amazed it was still there (my modifications) |
| 15:31.30 | ataxic | learned smt again |
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| 15:33.38 | ImNotMark | .kde just points to .kdeX.X |
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| 15:34.01 | redduck666 | how can i make my mouse move slower? |
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| 15:35.22 | illogic-al | redduck666: kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Mouse -> Advanced -> Pointer acceleration |
| 15:36.13 | redduck666 | illogic-al, i can't set it to less than 1 |
| 15:36.32 | illogic-al | me neither |
| 15:37.01 | anisX | orville~ |
| 15:37.13 | illogic-al | anisX! |
| 15:37.20 | illogic-al | {{hugses}} |
| 15:37.21 | redduck666 | is there any other way to make my mouse go slower? |
| 15:37.24 | anisX | heya orville..how are u ? |
| 15:37.43 | illogic-al | redduck666: move it veeeeeeery slowly. |
| 15:38.30 | redduck666 | :( |
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| 15:43.14 | sredna | redduck666: Change the accelleration setting |
| 15:43.32 | redduck666 | the aceleration setting is already at 1 |
| 15:43.52 | sredna | I'm afraid it doesn't support fractions |
| 15:45.57 | sarah03 | redduck666: Depending on your mouse, you might be able to override it's resolution in the X config file |
| 15:46.47 | sarah03 | [Can't say I've ever tried it, but it seems to me that twiddling 'Option "Resolution"' in the appropriate InputDevice section might have the potential to change it's movement rate.] |
| 15:47.57 | redduck666 | sarah03, i'm on debian so first thing i should do is to look for a xfree86.conf file? |
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| 15:48.42 | sarah03 | XF86Config, probably in /etc/X11 |
| 15:49.14 | redduck666 | opened and reading XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:52.47 | redduck666 | sarah03, http://www.pastebin.com/263341 this is how 2 relevant sections look, what should i change? |
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| 15:54.29 | sarah03 | Which mouse is being used in the ServerLayout section? |
| 15:55.39 | redduck666 | input device is configured mouse |
| 15:56.09 | sarah03 | *nod* Add 'Option "Resolution" "N"', where N is a number. |
| 15:56.42 | sarah03 | I don't know the range of the number or what's to be expected because mouse(4) doesn't specify what the default value is. |
| 15:56.49 | sarah03 | Except that it's whatever the mouse thinks it is. |
| 15:56.53 | redduck666 | http://www.pastebin.com/263343 my server settings |
| 15:57.31 | redduck666 | under which section should i add option resolution? |
| 15:57.47 | sarah03 | Put it in both sections for the mouse. |
| 15:59.27 | redduck666 | i should reboot iin order that settings have effect? |
| 15:59.35 | sarah03 | Restart X. |
| 15:59.52 | sarah03 | You'll probably want to twiddle that value until you're happy with it. |
| 16:00.16 | redduck666 | thanks |
| 16:00.37 | sarah03 | And, as I said, I don't know if it'll have any effect - the docs say that it only has effect on certain mice. |
| 16:00.49 | sarah03 | But I figured it couldn't hurt to try. |
| 16:02.11 | pinheiro | e to change the scrol seting of the mouse? |
| 16:02.53 | pinheiro | the thing is this some times my mouse scrols stars to behave strange |
| 16:02.59 | chimaera | is there a way to use konqi's 'create image gallery feature' with remote folders (ftp)? or is there an alternative? |
| 16:03.22 | pinheiro | the scrol works horizintly and not vertacly |
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| 16:04.29 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 16:06.44 | pinheiro | the scroll gets from vertical to horizontal |
| 16:06.49 | pinheiro | any idea ?? |
| 16:07.03 | redduck666 | Flendor, hi |
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| 16:08.46 | DexterF | where exactly are taskbar infos stored? like launchers and the like? |
| 16:09.07 | DexterF | haha, nevermind, logged in on wrong puter |
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| 16:20.21 | Tilos | Is it possible to make Wallet cooperate with Firefox? |
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| 16:20.46 | r00tsh3ll | i dont think so.. |
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| 16:21.05 | Tilos | Or rather the other way around. |
| 16:21.49 | r00tsh3ll | i think that firefox has his own tool to store passwords..am i wrong? |
| 16:22.32 | Tilos | r00tsh3ll: Yes it does but I like Wallet better. |
| 16:23.21 | Cerulean | Tilos: Then use Konqi ;) |
| 16:23.24 | Cerulean | You can't have it both ways |
| 16:23.30 | r00tsh3ll | konqui rulez :-p |
| 16:23.58 | Cerulean | yes, yes it does.. |
| 16:24.11 | Tilos | Cerulean: Actually I could have it both ways, I just have to convice someone to make it so. :P |
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| 16:42.57 | drega|hungover | i've borked my menu layout and of course I cannot remember where the setting was. prior to this all the menu items were grouped and subgrouped nicely and i changed this setting and the grouping on the kmenu is all messed up. |
| 16:43.22 | drega|hungover | anyone know wtf i'm talking about. its just an annoyance |
| 16:44.31 | chimaera | well, is there a kde tool for creating image-galleries of remote folders? |
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| 16:48.32 | expose | hi guys. |
| 16:48.45 | expose | anyone knows why artsd will be discontinued as of kde4.0? |
| 16:48.51 | expose | so...what's it replaced with? |
| 16:49.12 | Paleo | because with proper alsa it's unnecessery |
| 16:49.41 | expose | Okay...thanks. (that's what i also thought.) |
| 16:49.43 | Cerulean | expose: A nice KDE-like wrapper around some of the other mm frameworks IIRC |
| 16:50.30 | Paleo | Is it officialy gstreamer ? |
| 16:50.30 | chimaera | haven't there been lots of rumors of gst becoming kde's next mm-framework? |
| 16:50.57 | Cerulean | Paleo: No |
| 16:51.01 | Cerulean | chimaera: Yes |
| 16:51.56 | Paleo | hehe |
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| 16:53.04 | chimaera | imho arts is a pain in the ass anyway. your mileage may vary but i never had a good and cooperative relationship with arts. |
| 16:53.57 | chimaera | then again, sound on linux-systems is a whole story on it's own. |
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| 16:54.08 | Cerulean | It was good in its time. The fact that only one person knew the beast well enough to maintain it was its downfall i'd say. |
| 16:54.24 | chimaera | ;) |
| 16:55.14 | Flendor | Hmm..I cannot get my NForce2 onboard sound to work well with ALSA. I wonder what I will do. |
| 16:55.26 | Flendor | ...now my KDE sound system is "disabled".. |
| 16:55.55 | chimaera | i wrote down my perceptions with linux and sound output. if you like: http://consistencies.net/?p=41 |
| 16:56.00 | Paleo | did you install Nvidia's driver ? |
| 16:56.23 | Cerulean | chimaera: haha, excellent banner |
| 16:56.29 | chimaera | ;) |
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| 16:57.12 | chimaera | Cerulean: was quite soem work for you can't make kolourpaint'S window that small ;) |
| 16:57.35 | Cerulean | heh |
| 16:58.07 | Flendor | Yes, I did Paleo. |
| 16:58.13 | Flendor | Sorry for the late reply. |
| 16:58.29 | Flendor | I had to uninstall ALSA, otherwise I couldn't set sound to 5+1. |
| 16:58.47 | Flendor | Hey, I'm reading that chimaera. |
| 16:58.59 | Flendor | (BTW, my other nick is Griffon..I think we'd get along well :) ) |
| 16:59.48 | NamShub | I need help with akregator. It wont let me open it (cant find kparts -- check your installation) |
| 16:59.53 | NamShub | but I just re-emerged it |
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| 17:01.20 | r3tex | how can i add support for chinese and swedish in kde when i emerge? |
| 17:01.52 | chimaera | r3tex: you need the i-10-<lang> stuff.. |
| 17:01.53 | Flendor | Heh :) |
| 17:02.16 | chimaera | Flendor: huh? |
| 17:02.35 | Flendor | No, er, I mean, both being mythological creatures.. |
| 17:02.45 | chimaera | errr. i18<lang> of course. |
| 17:02.48 | Flendor | ..and the "heh" was after reading your entry. |
| 17:03.02 | chimaera | ah.. now i git it ;) |
| 17:03.09 | Flendor | :) |
| 17:03.10 | chimaera | s/git/got/ |
| 17:03.14 | NamShub | LINGUAS="xx" emerge kde? |
| 17:04.08 | drega|hungover | bah where is the setting to change the grouping on the kde menu? |
| 17:04.22 | r3tex | chimaera: allright thanx |
| 17:04.39 | chimaera | drega: which grouping? |
| 17:05.01 | drega | chimaera: I changed a setting yesterday that changed the application grouping on the kmenu. |
| 17:05.10 | drega | of course I cannot find that setting today. |
| 17:05.34 | chimaera | well, i'm not quite sure what you mean by grouping.. |
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| 17:06.05 | drega | hurm, well all applications are grouped into menus and submenus. internet/multimedia etc. |
| 17:06.39 | drega | those are still there but now in lets say the multimedia section its not further broken down into audio/graphics etc. |
| 17:06.43 | chimaera | drega: there's a way to disable that? |
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| 17:07.04 | drega | hahah. i guess so. Its stupid i know but I cannot find where I changed it. |
| 17:07.24 | r3tex | chimaera: =/ sorry i'm having trouble, could you elaborate? |
| 17:07.35 | ysm | I've never saw KDE without such grouping.. |
| 17:07.44 | chimaera | r3tex: for not using gentoo, i guess i can try at least.. |
| 17:07.49 | r3tex | =P |
| 17:08.14 | r3tex | i have it on my laptop i just have no idea what package did it =P |
| 17:08.15 | drega | the main grouping is still there. but not the sub grouping. |
| 17:08.40 | ysm | Oh I think I understand your point, the 3.3.2 grouping.. |
| 17:09.41 | chimaera | r3tex: check http://packages.gentoo.org/ebuilds/?kde-i18n-3.4.0 i guess there'S also a way to mask something to only emerge the languages of your choice.. |
| 17:09.57 | r3tex | yeah |
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| 17:10.11 | chimaera | you're refering to that 'more applications'-menu? |
| 17:10.35 | r3tex | chimaera: ohooo, thanx!! |
| 17:10.43 | chimaera | r3tex: np. |
| 17:10.51 | drega | na i'm talking about logical grouping. prior to changing this setting I had like one "office" catagory. it contained all staroffice etc. |
| 17:11.07 | ysm | no, with 3.3.2, there was submenus in each menu, but with 3.4 the submenus disappear.. |
| 17:11.08 | drega | now I still have the "office" group but I also have a "star office" group. |
| 17:11.36 | drega | i'm using 3.2 |
| 17:11.53 | chimaera | r3tex: well, NamShub already wrote it: <NamShub> LINGUAS="xx" emerge kde? |
| 17:12.16 | chimaera | drega: any chance that is distro dependent? |
| 17:12.24 | drega | very well could be. |
| 17:12.54 | drega | its just an annoyance but I wish i could find that stupid setting. |
| 17:13.20 | r3tex | chimaera: ok great =) i chose all the languages i hope chinese is included =P |
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| 17:18.10 | chimaera | ok, last try: is there a way to convice kimgallery to let me create a gallery in a remote folder? or is there an alternative? |
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| 17:18.30 | codifex | hello |
| 17:18.50 | codifex | Anybody awake on an Easter morning? |
| 17:18.57 | Flendor | Today is Easter? |
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| 17:19.00 | codifex | heh |
| 17:19.02 | chimaera | huh? morning? ;) |
| 17:19.11 | estel | where are the entries of the k-menu saved? |
| 17:19.26 | codifex | I got 3 18count paks of eggs goin |
| 17:19.44 | codifex | I'm prolly gonna eat myself silly. |
| 17:20.03 | codifex | Anyway, I got a lil prob with KDE. Printing to be specific. |
| 17:20.18 | codifex | kdeprintd and Cups KDE v. 3.3.2 |
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| 17:21.34 | estel | where are the entries of the k-menu saved? |
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| 17:24.53 | codifex | No one else having the kdeprintd problem with KDE3.3.2 and Cups? |
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| 17:34.38 | illogic-al | estel: ~/.config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
| 17:36.13 | drega | ha I just found that stupid setting. |
| 17:36.20 | drega | menu editor > menu style |
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| 17:45.49 | codifex | No one else having the kdeprintd problem with KDE3.3.2 and Cups? |
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| 17:54.54 | octan | is it much diff between 3.2 and 3,4? what is the diff? |
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| 17:55.22 | kay | polishing, more apps |
| 17:55.35 | kay | new looks and less bugs |
| 17:56.20 | octan | k.. im dl it now,, :) all sources |
| 17:56.45 | octan | gonna build it with distcc to speed up the build time |
| 17:58.05 | octan | distcc rules :) on my system it makes about compiling go 2.5X faster |
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| 18:17.30 | _poison | anybody got an idea how i can make kdevelop always parse all qt+kde headers without adding them to my project ... so I have completion for them ? =/ |
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| 18:24.38 | shastry | i heard that devices:/ is deprecaed |
| 18:24.46 | shastry | whats supposed to be used now ? |
| 18:26.03 | _poison | shastry: media:/ |
| 18:26.24 | shastry | sweet, thnx :) |
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| 18:30.23 | Alethes | is there anyway to make kde use tab instead of enter for completion in those drop down boxes like in the konq history, previous entries in forms, and in kate? |
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| 18:36.50 | shastry | whats aKode ? |
| 18:37.59 | ysm | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/akode |
| 18:38.20 | ysm | aKode is a new multithreaded audio library that provides aRts with plugins to play a variety of formats: MP3, Ogg Vorbis, Musepack (MPC), FLAC and Speex. |
| 18:38.58 | shastry | oh its arts based / |
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| 18:39.13 | The3_14ed|er | it can do stuff independantly of arts, afaik |
| 18:39.15 | shastry | wont arts be removed from kde 4 ? |
| 18:39.18 | shastry | oh |
| 18:39.28 | shastry | The3_14ed|er, how to configure akode ? |
| 18:39.34 | The3_14ed|er | I don't know |
| 18:39.50 | shastry | oh :| |
| 18:40.17 | The3_14ed|er | I think arts can use it, but it isn't arts-based |
| 18:40.55 | Alethes | shastry: do you not like arts? |
| 18:41.06 | shastry | Alethes, too much lag :| |
| 18:41.10 | Alethes | ah |
| 18:41.11 | shastry | i mean latency |
| 18:41.14 | Alethes | right |
| 18:41.42 | shastry | what will kde 4 use ? |
| 18:41.49 | shastry | is it decided already ? |
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| 18:42.13 | Alethes | kde4 will use gtk and esd :D |
| 18:42.25 | ysm | lol |
| 18:42.30 | shastry | lol |
| 18:43.09 | sarah03 | Yup, and when that happens, I'll stay with KDE3. |
| 18:43.14 | shastry | lol |
| 18:43.22 | ysm | I wrote that earlier: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=aRts |
| 18:43.30 | The3_14ed|er | well, gstreameer does have an esdsink |
| 18:43.30 | Alethes | I haven't switched to kde 3.4, 'cause I keep hearing all these issues with it |
| 18:43.32 | shastry | seriously... is it decided what to use instead arts |
| 18:44.06 | The3_14ed|er | afaik, gstreamer is the main candidate, but I'm not on the dev mailing lists or anything |
| 18:44.34 | Alethes | yeah, I've heard rumours about gstreamer too |
| 18:45.02 | The3_14ed|er | I generally use xine-engine with amarok, but I have used gstreamer with it a bit in the past |
| 18:45.22 | Alethes | is gstreamer a sound server, though? |
| 18:45.30 | Alethes | like artsd, esd, etc? |
| 18:45.46 | shastry | nop |
| 18:45.53 | shastry | its juat a framework |
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| 18:47.01 | The3_14ed|er | and the output from gstreamer goes to oss, alsa, esd, etc |
| 18:47.01 | Frost^ | shastry |
| 18:47.09 | Frost^ | show me your desktop ;) |
| 18:47.20 | shastry | lol |
| 18:47.46 | shastry | http://metawire.org/~shastry/screenshots/ << pick what suits urself |
| 18:48.50 | shastry | willl kde ever have mousegestures support ? |
| 18:49.09 | The3_14ed|er | it already does |
| 18:49.13 | The3_14ed|er | khotkeys |
| 18:49.19 | shastry | oh |
| 18:49.25 | shastry | geezz never noticed |
| 18:49.33 | The3_14ed|er | maybe not as nice as the allinone gestures extension for FF, but still usable |
| 18:49.35 | The3_14ed|er | hmm |
| 18:49.44 | shastry | well.. like FVWM |
| 18:49.44 | Frost^ | shastry, what on earth is that? http://metawire.org/~shastry/screenshots/cool2.jpg |
| 18:49.45 | The3_14ed|er | is it possible to change the gesture button to the lmb? |
| 18:49.52 | shastry | i'm an fvwm addict now |
| 18:49.55 | shastry | Frost^, KDE |
| 18:49.56 | shastry | lol |
| 18:50.16 | shastry | Frost^, u hate that ? |
| 18:50.26 | Frost^ | no not at all |
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| 18:50.34 | shastry | thank god |
| 18:50.34 | Frost^ | I forgot that composite exists |
| 18:50.35 | Frost^ | :) |
| 18:50.39 | shastry | lol |
| 18:50.46 | shastry | i dont use it these days |
| 18:50.57 | Frost^ | me neither |
| 18:51.02 | shastry | i'm out of kde these days, just use konq for stuff |
| 18:51.08 | Frost^ | your fvwm is real nice |
| 18:51.11 | sarah03 | It's a bit more than I'd be putting into an 800x600 space myself. |
| 18:51.28 | shastry | sarah03, well... |
| 18:51.37 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
| 18:51.38 | shastry | i messed up trying to show kde off |
| 18:52.03 | shastry | The3_14ed|er, 15" monitor |
| 18:52.09 | The3_14ed|er | even 1024x768 feels cramped for me |
| 18:52.10 | The3_14ed|er | heh |
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| 18:52.16 | shastry | well it sure does |
| 18:52.26 | shastry | The3_14ed|er, can u send me a 19" LCD for me please |
| 18:52.26 | Frost^ | shastry, for 15" 1024x768 is the standard |
| 18:52.26 | shastry | ? |
| 18:52.32 | shastry | Frost^, nope |
| 18:52.32 | Frost^ | 1280x1024 for 17" |
| 18:52.47 | shastry | Frost^, 1024 has 60Hz refreshrate |
| 18:52.55 | The3_14ed|er | but, yeah, on a small monitor, I'd probably go with 1024x768 or that 1152xWhatever |
| 18:52.58 | shastry | 60hz will murder ur eyes |
| 18:53.03 | Frost^ | oh I see |
| 18:53.07 | The3_14ed|er | ew |
| 18:53.14 | The3_14ed|er | I see |
| 18:53.24 | Frost^ | well mine currently has 79.8 horizontal, 75 vertical |
| 18:53.27 | shastry | thats why i stick with 800x600 @ 85 |
| 18:53.28 | sadsfae | Does anyone know if slackware 10.0 packages will be added to the /stable/3.4/contrib/ part on KDE FTP or mirrors? .. the 10.1 release is there, but no 10.0 packages... |
| 18:53.29 | The3_14ed|er | rather, I don't, but i sympathise |
| 18:53.31 | Frost^ | is that good enough? |
| 18:53.33 | shastry | and my eyes are alive |
| 18:53.43 | shastry | Frost^, yup |
| 18:54.01 | Frost^ | well, good to know |
| 18:54.05 | shastry | i'm broke now - looking for open jobs (freelancing) |
| 18:54.12 | Frost^ | as I'm already cursed with glasses |
| 18:54.19 | shastry | Frost^, me too lol |
| 18:54.23 | shastry | once i get some nice money, i'll moveover to a nice LCD |
| 18:54.33 | Frost^ | lucky you |
| 18:54.37 | shastry | Frost^, well.. but i dont consider it as a curse |
| 18:54.43 | Frost^ | I have to pay for that computer |
| 18:54.48 | Frost^ | and for driving lessons |
| 18:54.50 | Frost^ | :| |
| 18:54.56 | shastry | Frost^, dude i havent paid for my comp yet |
| 18:55.04 | shastry | its on an education loan lol |
| 18:55.10 | Frost^ | haha |
| 18:55.30 | Frost^ | I fear the bank : |
| 18:55.32 | Frost^ | :p |
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| 18:55.40 | shastry | theres still time |
| 18:55.41 | jbritz22 | Hety |
| 18:55.50 | jbritz22 | Im having trouble with CUPS |
| 18:55.59 | jbritz22 | And XMMS |
| 18:56.10 | shastry | jbritz22, does that anything to do with kde ? |
| 18:56.13 | Frost^ | driving lessons are overkill, I already took like 250$ from the ATM, in 2 weeks |
| 18:56.20 | shastry | Frost^, duh! |
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| 18:56.26 | Frost^ | and that's what I make monthly.. |
| 18:56.28 | Frost^ | :p |
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| 18:56.48 | jbritz22 | oops |
| 18:56.49 | jbritz22 | lol |
| 18:57.06 | shastry | jbritz22, anyway shoot and we might try |
| 18:57.09 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 18:57.33 | jbritz22 | Well, I installed CUPS using urpmi, and I cant access the CUPS, and my xmms freezes |
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| 18:58.22 | shastry | jbritz22, is it just xmms ? |
| 18:58.38 | jbritz22 | just xmmms freezes |
| 18:58.47 | jbritz22 | thats just a seperate issue |
| 18:58.54 | shastry | on open or if u press play ? |
| 18:59.23 | shastry | Frost^, wow 250$ ? |
| 18:59.25 | jbritz22 | press play |
| 18:59.34 | shastry | jbritz22, change the outpput engine |
| 18:59.40 | shastry | jbritz22, to oss or alsa may be |
| 18:59.49 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:00.01 | jbritz22 | About the CUPS? |
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| 19:00.23 | shastry | jbritz22, well... whats rpm telling ? |
| 19:00.49 | sarah03 | Hm. Trying to get decent snapshots out of a desktop with Xinerama enabled on a desktop running at 2 different resolutions is fun. |
| 19:01.06 | Frost^ | shastry, yup |
| 19:01.16 | jbritz22 | RPM? Its already installed I think, The error message says...lemme check... |
| 19:01.25 | shastry | Frost^, move to india for some days, i'll teach ya for free |
| 19:01.38 | jbritz22 | An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: |
| 19:01.38 | jbritz22 | Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused |
| 19:01.41 | Frost^ | india? |
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| 19:01.56 | shastry | Frost^, yes "India" |
| 19:02.02 | shastry | Frost^, i live in India , hehe |
| 19:02.19 | Frost^ | I always had the impression you were canadian |
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| 19:02.27 | shastry | Frost^, lol |
| 19:02.29 | Frost^ | oh well :) |
| 19:02.33 | shastry | Frost^, what made u think so ? |
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| 19:02.44 | Frost^ | your proper english? |
| 19:02.47 | Alethes | shastry: you're the nasty guy that's always stealing our jobs! :) |
| 19:02.48 | Frost^ | I don't know |
| 19:02.48 | Frost^ | :) |
| 19:02.50 | shastry | lol ok |
| 19:02.50 | Alethes | heh heh |
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| 19:03.07 | jbritz22 | eh |
| 19:03.07 | shastry | Alethes, lol dude i'm looking for a job myself |
| 19:03.20 | Alethes | I'm kidding...I think outsourcing is a good thing |
| 19:03.32 | shastry | oh |
| 19:03.52 | shastry | so that u can threaten employees that u'll outsource and cut jobs ? |
| 19:04.08 | jbritz22 | Can anyone help me? |
| 19:04.09 | Alethes | people that complain about outsourcing don't like competition and can't take the heat |
| 19:04.20 | shastry | jbritz22, gimme the error |
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| 19:04.28 | shastry | jbritz22, what does urpmi or rpm say ? |
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| 19:04.35 | Alethes | competition is good |
| 19:04.46 | shastry | yea |
| 19:04.49 | jbritz22 | An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: |
| 19:04.49 | jbritz22 | Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused |
| 19:05.00 | Alethes | brb |
| 19:05.02 | jbritz22 | Urpmi installed it correctly |
| 19:05.08 | shastry | jbritz22, start cups |
| 19:05.14 | shastry | /etc/init.d/cups start |
| 19:05.17 | jbritz22 | byok |
| 19:05.25 | jbritz22 | should I be root? |
| 19:05.29 | shastry | yes |
| 19:05.33 | shastry | and add cups to startup |
| 19:05.38 | shastry | i dunno how to do in mandy |
| 19:05.45 | shastry | look for runlevel/services stuff in MCC |
| 19:06.03 | jbritz22 | ok it started |
| 19:06.12 | shastry | (oy its hard to use GUI once u get adjusted to the command line :P |
| 19:06.24 | shastry | jbritz22, now the cups frontend will work |
| 19:06.51 | sarah03 | shastry: Not really. So long as the GUI you're working in provides easy access to the commandline, anyway. :D |
| 19:07.06 | shastry | hehe |
| 19:07.07 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:07.14 | jbritz22 | tanks |
| 19:07.25 | shastry | jbritz22, dont forget to add cups to startup |
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| 19:07.31 | jbritz22 | how do I do that? |
| 19:07.45 | shastry | jbritz22, mandrake control center i think |
| 19:07.55 | shastry | ask other mandrake users |
| 19:08.09 | jbritz22 | how do I log into add printer |
| 19:08.10 | LeStat- | anyone know why when i end my kde 3.4 sessions it dosnt save my icon positions? upon reloading they all go from where i had them at bottom of screen to the top? |
| 19:08.13 | shastry | or use chkconfig (i think) |
| 19:08.15 | jbritz22 | its not recognizing my root password |
| 19:08.22 | shastry | jbritz22, open a browser |
| 19:08.30 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:08.32 | shastry | jbritz22, and go to http://localhost:631 |
| 19:08.37 | shastry | play there |
| 19:08.40 | jbritz22 | im there |
| 19:08.43 | jbritz22 | but it wont let me do anything |
| 19:08.51 | LeStat- | setting up printers sucks, good luck :) |
| 19:08.51 | jbritz22 | and when I put in my pass it says administration failed |
| 19:09.01 | shastry | LeStat-, lol it does ? never had problems |
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| 19:09.12 | shastry | jbritz22, give root as ussername and root passwd |
| 19:09.16 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:09.24 | LeStat- | i had a lot of problems finding the correct driver for mine |
| 19:09.41 | LeStat- | there was a bunch I THOUGHT were it, but nope.. after a few tries i got it goin |
| 19:09.55 | jbritz22 | Wheres the location of my printer lo,l |
| 19:09.56 | shastry | LeStat-, oh that , heh i use turboprint , very simple setup, before, suse used to do it |
| 19:10.11 | shastry | jbritz22, use the kde frontend dude |
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| 19:10.18 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:10.21 | shastry | jbritz22, open control center |
| 19:10.25 | LeStat- | never heard of turbo print, ive always just used CUPS |
| 19:10.26 | shastry | go to adminstrator mode |
| 19:10.36 | shastry | LeStat-, turboprint is drivers |
| 19:10.40 | shastry | LeStat-, turboprint is drivers for cups |
| 19:10.41 | shastry | heh |
| 19:10.46 | LeStat- | ah gotcha |
| 19:10.53 | shastry | the gimp-print drivers sucks |
| 19:10.55 | shastry | heh |
| 19:11.04 | LeStat- | i was getting drivers from HP's webpage |
| 19:11.12 | shastry | LeStat-, oh hp .. ok |
| 19:11.20 | shastry | LeStat-, what distro ? |
| 19:11.35 | shastry | (i swear no flames) |
| 19:11.46 | LeStat- | lol |
| 19:11.55 | LeStat- | this is when i was running Kanotix BHX hard drive install |
| 19:12.03 | LeStat- | since then ive switched to Kanotix 05 dvd edition |
| 19:12.07 | shastry | oh |
| 19:12.10 | LeStat- | where drivers were already there |
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| 19:12.14 | shastry | kanotix is kinda knoppix stuff right ? |
| 19:12.15 | LeStat- | so its a debian system |
| 19:12.18 | shastry | yea ok |
| 19:12.25 | LeStat- | its much more then knoppix |
| 19:12.30 | LeStat- | its a complete debian sid install |
| 19:12.37 | shastry | and knoppix is now dead ? |
| 19:12.44 | shastry | LeStat-, sysV or bsd initscripts ? |
| 19:12.46 | LeStat- | not really they just released 2.8 |
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| 19:12.57 | LeStat- | i mean 3.8 sorry |
| 19:13.00 | LeStat- | at cebit |
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| 19:13.03 | shastry | lol ok |
| 19:13.10 | shastry | (i was shocked for a sec) |
| 19:13.40 | LeStat- | ive tried a few distros i like kanotix the best so far |
| 19:13.44 | LeStat- | very smooth and easy install |
| 19:13.59 | LeStat- | and it comes with a lot of great software all recent |
| 19:14.13 | shastry | and what abt updating ? |
| 19:14.24 | shastry | does it have own repos or is it debian sid ? |
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| 19:14.37 | jbritz22 | what linux distro should I use if I want good file management, speed, nice gui, more speed, multimedia, and good internet support |
| 19:14.38 | LeStat- | knoppix is horrible for hard drive installs, they break sooner or later and you cant do a dist-upgrade with apt |
| 19:15.01 | LeStat- | it has some of its own repos but mostly it uses the official debain stuff |
| 19:15.39 | LeStat- | jbritz22 i could recommend kanotix heh |
| 19:15.44 | LeStat- | its at kanotix.net |
| 19:15.55 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:15.57 | LeStat- | it will give u all those things right after installing |
| 19:16.17 | jbritz22 | i have a 600mhz system, mandrake is actually workign quite fine, I have lots of the eye candy installed also |
| 19:16.28 | LeStat- | how much memory u got jbritz22 |
| 19:16.37 | jbritz22 | 256mb |
| 19:16.43 | LeStat- | i dont know how well kde runs on a 600mhz |
| 19:16.49 | LeStat- | but u do have the requirements for kanotix |
| 19:17.00 | DoctorFlange | and in #kanotix |
| 19:17.04 | shastry | LeStat-, does it have own repos or is it debian sid ? |
| 19:17.10 | LeStat- | i run it on this |
| 19:17.15 | LeStat- | 12CPU[Intel Pentium 4 clocked at 1594.622 Mhz] 12Kernel[Linux 2.6.10-kanotix-8 i686] 12Up[-2days-] 12Mem[-499.004/502.844MB-] 12HDD[-200GB(9%used)-] 12Procs[-76-] 12Client[BitchX 1.0c20cvs] |
| 19:17.16 | jbritz22 | what does kanotix run for package management? |
| 19:17.18 | sarah03 | ... I don't see why KDE would run poorly on a 600MHz proc; works fine on my Athlon 800. |
| 19:17.26 | LeStat- | it is debian sid shastry |
| 19:17.41 | shastry | LeStat-, ok so no custom repos , thank god! |
| 19:17.45 | kolp | hi, does anyone know what could be wrong if all characters show up as squares? |
| 19:17.50 | DoctorFlange | sarah03: how much RAM? |
| 19:17.50 | LeStat- | lol yep |
| 19:17.54 | kolp | its a fresh 3.4_branch install |
| 19:17.56 | shastry | i wont probably switch though |
| 19:17.59 | sarah03 | DoctorFlange: 768M. |
| 19:18.08 | shastry | archlinux r0x0rs |
| 19:18.09 | shastry | heh |
| 19:18.14 | DoctorFlange | My shuttle is an athlon XP2000+ but has only 256mb ram |
| 19:18.17 | DoctorFlange | my PC lags a bit |
| 19:18.19 | LeStat- | what distro u running shastry ? |
| 19:18.25 | avu | yeah, arch for president! |
| 19:18.29 | DoctorFlange | it's fine on my main box, an athlon xp 2000+ with 512Mb DDR |
| 19:18.31 | shastry | LeStat-, archlinux ( www.archlinux.org ) |
| 19:18.37 | LeStat- | never tried that one |
| 19:18.49 | shastry | LeStat-, try it sometime - u'll like it :) |
| 19:19.01 | LeStat- | is it debian as well? |
| 19:19.15 | shastry | nope |
| 19:19.19 | shastry | its a distro of its own |
| 19:19.27 | shastry | with a package manager called "pacman" |
| 19:19.36 | kolp | like in http://camaya.net/snapshot1.png |
| 19:19.39 | LeStat- | sounds interesting |
| 19:19.51 | jbritz22 | lol xmms is still frozen I cant exit out of it |
| 19:19.59 | shastry | jbritz22, killall xmms |
| 19:20.06 | shastry | jbritz22, or killall -9 xmms |
| 19:20.16 | shastry | kolp, fonts ? |
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| 19:20.24 | LeStat- | my first priority is to find out why my kde cant remember where the stupid icons were after i end a session and load it later |
| 19:20.24 | sadsfae | haha |
| 19:20.32 | jbritz22 | thanks |
| 19:20.37 | sadsfae | Does anyone know if slackware 10.0 packages will be added to the /stable/3.4/contrib/ part on KDE FTP or mirrors? .. the 10.1 release is there, but no 10.0 packages... |
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| 19:20.59 | shastry | sadsfae, well.. may be no ones volunteered |
| 19:21.14 | jbritz22 | If I clean out all the dust and shit in my computer, take everything out and reinstall it will it run quieter? |
| 19:21.21 | _munky | im havinga problem with my sound, i can hear system sounds, and musicin XMMS...but not when i play a movie in mplayer |
| 19:21.25 | _munky | any suggestions? |
| 19:21.38 | LeStat- | jbritz22 dunno about that, but its always good to not have a dusty pc |
| 19:21.42 | shastry | jbritz22, send the old box to me , and muy urself a new shuttle, it will run nice ;) |
| 19:21.47 | sadsfae | shastry, for the past 5+ kde releases there have always been the curent and next to last slackware release packages available guess i was just expecting them out of consistency |
| 19:21.48 | LeStat- | i use air in a can on mine |
| 19:21.52 | jbritz22 | lol |
| 19:21.55 | LeStat- | dont take everything out myself, im to lazy |
| 19:22.13 | jbritz22 | i think I have a pic of my system on the net somewhere, ill look for it |
| 19:22.14 | shastry | sadsfae, oh i c |
| 19:22.15 | sadsfae | i didnt know it was a volunteer thing |
| 19:22.32 | _munky | anyone? |
| 19:22.44 | shastry | sadsfae, well.. package management is a volunteeing job |
| 19:22.50 | sadsfae | jbritz22, take out all the dust... clean your fans, it will run quieter.. re-installing wont do anything for that |
| 19:22.54 | LeStat- | a boring one at that |
| 19:22.58 | shastry | _munky, what does mpplayer say ? |
| 19:23.06 | sadsfae | well they are under /contrib |
| 19:23.07 | _munky | one sec |
| 19:23.09 | sadsfae | so i can see that :) |
| 19:23.17 | shastry | oh |
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| 19:23.47 | sadsfae | k time to play wow |
| 19:24.19 | shastry | women of wrestling ??? ewww |
| 19:24.45 | jbritz22 | lol |
| 19:24.50 | sarah03 | *blink* lol |
| 19:25.01 | shastry | yea yea i know |
| 19:25.05 | shastry | world of warcraft |
| 19:25.09 | shastry | heh i was kidding |
| 19:25.17 | _munky | shastry, could not open up or inital sound device |
| 19:25.34 | shastry | _munky, if any app is alredy using the device, then u cant use it |
| 19:25.34 | jbritz22 | is there way I can make my own antistatic wrist band? |
| 19:25.42 | shastry | _munky, do this for me lsof /dev/dsp |
| 19:25.53 | _munky | it spits out sound |
| 19:25.54 | _munky | one sec |
| 19:25.54 | shastry | jbritz22, does that term have a meaning |
| 19:26.02 | jbritz22 | huh? |
| 19:26.07 | sarah03 | jbritz22: Got a piece of wire, an alligator clip, and a piece of velcro? |
| 19:26.15 | shastry | antistatic wristband |
| 19:26.15 | jbritz22 | ok |
| 19:26.16 | jbritz22 | lol |
| 19:26.17 | shastry | whats that ? |
| 19:26.20 | slayerbob | lol |
| 19:26.28 | shastry | why do u need that ? |
| 19:26.35 | shastry | just touch the damn frames and its enough |
| 19:26.39 | slayerbob | probably a little tin foil too sarah03 :P |
| 19:26.53 | shastry | u act like u are disecting a live frog |
| 19:27.16 | jbritz22 | lol |
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| 19:27.24 | shastry | get an alligator with the clips too so that .... X| |
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| 19:27.30 | shastry | ;) |
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| 19:27.33 | slayerbob | shastry: some people pick up a lot more static than others - i have never had any problems with earthing myself on the case, but i know people who cannot come within 6 inches of electronic equipment without frying it if they are not earthed |
| 19:27.33 | jbritz22 | im a little chicken, dont wanna wreck anything |
| 19:27.33 | sarah03 | lol |
| 19:27.41 | kilrae | you can avoid the antistatic thing by not working on carpet |
| 19:27.46 | _munky | shastry, that stopped the error...but still no sound |
| 19:28.01 | shastry | _munky, stop artsd |
| 19:28.18 | _munky | stopped it |
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| 19:28.29 | shastry | now try again |
| 19:28.52 | Madkiss | Why do the little configure-buttons in kicker, i.e. these I klick on if I want to open the context-menu, covered with black lines? |
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| 19:29.29 | shastry | black lines ? |
| 19:29.50 | Alethes | "klick" -- he's a vicitim of kde's naming convention -- poor guy |
| 19:29.51 | _munky | shastry, nothing...the kde audio utility locks up as well |
| 19:29.55 | sadsfae | haha |
| 19:30.07 | Madkiss | click, I mean, sorry, that's my German ;) |
| 19:30.17 | sadsfae | im going to go kook some food ill probably kome back here later |
| 19:30.17 | shastry | _munky, dont use the kde kde sound stuff |
| 19:30.18 | sadsfae | eej |
| 19:30.23 | shastry | _munky, what does mplayer say ? |
| 19:30.23 | sarah03 | Alethes: Don't you mean KDE's naming konvention? |
| 19:30.28 | _munky | when? |
| 19:30.29 | Alethes | oh yeah :) |
| 19:30.41 | shastry | _munky, while playing |
| 19:30.47 | _munky | nothing no errors |
| 19:30.52 | _munky | what cna i use other than kde? |
| 19:31.00 | shastry | _munky, openbox |
| 19:31.07 | _munky | just emerge it? |
| 19:31.07 | shastry | or fluxbox |
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| 19:31.11 | sadsfae | _munky, use xfce |
| 19:31.14 | shastry | o.o gentoo ... ok |
| 19:31.15 | sadsfae | www.xfce.org |
| 19:31.19 | shastry | emerge xfce4 |
| 19:31.23 | _munky | i like kde |
| 19:31.33 | _munky | i cnat change the sound daemon? |
| 19:31.41 | shastry | _munky, well u can |
| 19:31.53 | _munky | so whats the best sound daemon |
| 19:32.02 | shastry | _munky, what does lsof /dev/dsp say ? |
| 19:32.25 | _munky | i dont have lsod |
| 19:32.26 | _munky | *lsof |
| 19:32.33 | sadsfae | nazis |
| 19:32.35 | kilrae | _munky: use fluxbox |
| 19:32.44 | shastry | _munky, emerge lsof |
| 19:32.52 | _munky | its already going |
| 19:32.59 | shastry | heh ok |
| 19:33.08 | sarah03 | Try 'fuser /dev/dsp' |
| 19:33.25 | kilrae | _munky: http://www.slackware.com :P |
| 19:33.32 | _munky | slacks stinks |
| 19:33.53 | shastry | lol |
| 19:33.53 | sadsfae | no way! |
| 19:34.06 | shastry | ehm.. control urself .. no distro flames please |
| 19:34.09 | kilrae | sadsfae: it's ok, he uses gentoo |
| 19:34.13 | _munky | shastry, xmms 11582 munky 11w CHR 14,3 676 /dev/sound/dsp |
| 19:34.18 | _munky | listed a few times |
| 19:34.18 | kilrae | he doesn't know any better :P |
| 19:34.27 | shastry | _munky, turn off the damn xmms |
| 19:34.34 | Madkiss | Okay, look at dumb-kde-thing.png -- I created a red circle around the problematic area |
| 19:34.38 | shastry | _munky, i told u to close all apps that use sound |
| 19:34.40 | _munky | k now its clear |
| 19:34.47 | _munky | i know i closed it and opened it in the meantime |
| 19:34.49 | shastry | now play with mplayer |
| 19:34.53 | _munky | k |
| 19:34.53 | sadsfae | lol |
| 19:35.06 | shastry | make sure nothing else is accessing it |
| 19:35.22 | shastry | Madkiss, where ? |
| 19:35.28 | Madkiss | shastry: Look at the bottom. |
| 19:35.37 | shastry | i mean wheres the image ? |
| 19:35.48 | shastry | link |
| 19:36.16 | _munky | gmplayer 12851 munky 12w CHR 14,3 676 /dev/sound/dsp |
| 19:36.19 | Madkiss | arg |
| 19:36.21 | _munky | but no sound... |
| 19:36.24 | Madkiss | madkiss.org/dumb-kde-thing.png |
| 19:36.26 | Madkiss | of course |
| 19:36.38 | Madkiss | See, I am really dumb .. |
| 19:36.46 | shastry | well.. i'm not a regular here... so .. |
| 19:36.52 | sarah03 | _munky: Did mplayer complain about not being able to open the audio device? |
| 19:36.58 | _munky | no |
| 19:36.58 | sarah03 | [This time around, anyway.] |
| 19:37.10 | sarah03 | Ok. Then go twiddle your mixer settings. |
| 19:37.13 | shastry | _munky, well.. its working then |
| 19:37.14 | ysm | oh that think... |
| 19:37.25 | shastry | _munky, check volume |
| 19:37.30 | _munky | its up |
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| 19:37.35 | _munky | as i said xmms was working fine |
| 19:38.26 | _munky | shastry, any ideas? |
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| 19:38.39 | shastry | _munky, no ... |
| 19:38.49 | _munky | shastry, would fluxbox help |
| 19:39.02 | ysm | Madkiss: kde panel configuration > Apperarance > Advanced Options > Applet Handles |
| 19:39.13 | shastry | _munky, well.. just try in non kde - so that u can confirm that its not kde related |
| 19:39.19 | _munky | k |
| 19:40.03 | shastry | ah the image finally loaded! |
| 19:40.17 | shastry | Madkiss, for pics with more colours, use jpg |
| 19:40.24 | shastry | for pics with less colours, use png |
| 19:40.27 | Madkiss | ysm: I dn't have "Advanced Options" |
| 19:40.37 | shastry | Madkiss, yes u do |
| 19:40.51 | ysm | with 3.4 ? |
| 19:41.17 | Madkiss | yes |
| 19:41.26 | shastry | Madkiss, may be u forgot to scroll down ? |
| 19:42.15 | ysm | It's a button below Panel Background |
| 19:42.17 | shastry | Madkiss, in the appeareance tab, - did u find it ?? |
| 19:43.14 | Madkiss | bwaha |
| 19:43.15 | shastry | Madkiss, *poke* |
| 19:43.16 | Madkiss | they're gone |
| 19:43.22 | Madkiss | that's just so ... perfect! |
| 19:43.28 | shastry | Madkiss, u found it ? |
| 19:43.33 | shastry | thank god! |
| 19:43.36 | ysm | I think so ... |
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| 19:45.52 | Madkiss | Is there some cheat available for the taskbar? |
| 19:46.23 | Madkiss | For making it translucent, that is. |
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| 19:47.23 | Alethes | Taskbar v2 |
| 19:48.01 | Madkiss | I have some bad memories on that, I think |
| 19:48.25 | shastry | Alethes, whas that ? |
| 19:48.35 | Alethes | a taskbar that supports transparency |
| 19:48.40 | Alethes | it's kinda buggy though |
| 19:48.56 | Madkiss | yea, it freezed my screen every 15 seconds |
| 19:49.12 | shastry | oh |
| 19:49.13 | Alethes | probably 'cause you need to disable the thumbing that it does |
| 19:49.16 | Alethes | which is dumb anyway |
| 19:50.18 | Madkiss | What else is broken? |
| 19:50.46 | Alethes | don't remember |
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| 19:54.05 | shastry | i cant understand onething |
| 19:54.16 | shastry | kde is faster than gnome, more configurable |
| 19:54.18 | shastry | and more features |
| 19:54.40 | shastry | and kde uses less memory than gnome |
| 19:54.44 | shastry | why are enterprice distros adopting gnome ? |
| 19:54.48 | shastry | idiots? |
| 19:56.21 | ponto | shastry: some people do not want to afford a qt license and gpl is not free enough |
| 19:56.34 | Cerulean | Hm, my KDevelop has suddenly stopped displaying information in the Class sidebar |
| 19:56.37 | shastry | gtk is GPM |
| 19:56.40 | shastry | gtk is GPL |
| 19:56.42 | Cerulean | Is there any way to 're-enable' it? |
| 19:56.45 | shastry | gnome is GPL |
| 19:56.48 | ponto | shastry: no, lgpl |
| 19:56.52 | shastry | oh |
| 19:56.54 | Cerulean | I have asked in #kdevelop but people there are being as talkative as ever |
| 19:57.06 | ponto | shastry: all gnome libraries are lgpl |
| 19:57.18 | shastry | oh.. so license issues |
| 19:57.34 | ponto | shastry: the gnome apps can be gpl. this is no problem for commercial app developers. the libraries are important |
| 19:57.58 | shastry | and qt will never make it lgpl ? |
| 19:58.07 | sredna | slayerbob: Ping |
| 19:58.24 | Cerulean | shastry: Unless something very distruptive happens, no |
| 19:58.34 | shastry | oh |
| 19:58.34 | ponto | shastry: if you by Trolltech, qt will automatically get a bsd like license |
| 19:58.48 | shastry | yea know that |
| 19:58.51 | ponto | s/by/buy |
| 19:58.54 | shastry | kde and trolltech agreement |
| 19:58.54 | sredna | "document's highlight mode" or "documents highlight mode" (there is one document, and the highlight mode is a property) |
| 19:58.58 | Cerulean | All in favour of putting our pennies together and doing so? |
| 19:59.04 | slayerbob | hiya sredna :P |
| 19:59.05 | shastry | and that will be awesome! |
| 19:59.12 | sredna | slayerbob: "document's highlight mode" or "documents highlight mode" (there is one document, and the highlight mode is a property) |
| 19:59.32 | shastry | Cerulean, well... i'm broke and no job - so dont count me in |
| 19:59.33 | sredna | slayerbob: .. continuing the written English class p |
| 19:59.45 | slayerbob | sredna: document's :) |
| 19:59.54 | sredna | I thought so, thak you very much :) |
| 20:00.26 | shastry | so howmany of u converted ur gf/bf to linux ? |
| 20:00.29 | Cerulean | Anyone? Some kind of way of re-enabling information in the Classes sidebar? |
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| 20:00.47 | slayerbob | shastry: i just replaced my gf with one that already used linux :) |
| 20:00.55 | shastry | lol slackd00d |
| 20:00.57 | shastry | err |
| 20:00.59 | shastry | slayerbob, |
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| 20:02.12 | Cerulean | Ah phew! Re-opening KDevelop fixed it. How magical |
| 20:02.23 | shastry | not magical |
| 20:02.26 | shastry | "buggy" |
| 20:02.27 | shastry | lol |
| 20:02.34 | Cerulean | same difference ;) |
| 20:02.44 | shastry | heh |
| 20:04.12 | kay | I have trouble with kmilo, where can I find documentation about it? |
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| 20:05.17 | ramzez | hello people. I would like to know how I could remove the thin frame around konsole ? I would like to use konsole totally without frame. Thanks |
| 20:05.47 | shastry | ramzez, look in window border settings |
| 20:06.08 | ysm | click on Konsole icon at (top,left), advanced > no border |
| 20:06.21 | shastry | oh heh |
| 20:06.24 | ramzez | shastry: yes, I already look at that, and I remove the BIG border. But there is still a thin border |
| 20:06.38 | shastry | ok .. what ysm says |
| 20:06.53 | ramzez | same things of course ;) |
| 20:07.22 | shastry | dunno then (psst.... i dont use kde.. sry) |
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| 20:07.41 | Johanna | How do I prevent kmail from redownloading the same emails? |
| 20:07.48 | Cerulean | ramzez: Upload a picture of what it looks like at the moment |
| 20:07.56 | ysm | hum, the inside border is from the scrollable-container, I don't know if you could change only this one.. |
| 20:08.23 | ramzez | ysm hu, ok :/ |
| 20:08.37 | Cerulean | ramzez: This is the thinnest you can get it: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/blufire/screenie2.jpg |
| 20:08.42 | ramzez | Cerulean: look at what ysm said : you know about that ? (sorry, I can't upload) |
| 20:09.05 | ramzez | Cerulean: yes, that's exactly it |
| 20:09.26 | Cerulean | ramzez: KDE version? |
| 20:09.30 | ramzez | 3.4 |
| 20:09.43 | Cerulean | ramzez: Bad luck. You need to get Konsole from CVS |
| 20:09.52 | Cerulean | there was a bug preventing the complete lapse of border |
| 20:09.55 | Cerulean | but it was fixed |
| 20:09.58 | ramzez | erf ... |
| 20:10.00 | ramzez | ok |
| 20:10.11 | Cerulean | Don't worry, you don't need all of kdebase or libs |
| 20:10.14 | ramzez | does the change exist as a patch for kde 3.4 ? |
| 20:10.34 | ramzez | I would like to ask debian maintainer for including such changes |
| 20:10.46 | Cerulean | ramzez: No idea i'm afraid |
| 20:10.53 | Cerulean | Once you've got the latest konsole you can just run |
| 20:10.55 | ramzez | Cerulean: ok, thanks, I will investigate |
| 20:11.12 | Cerulean | konsole --nomenubar --notoolbar --noscrollbar --noframe |
| 20:11.18 | ramzez | yes but I will have to compile all kdebase |
| 20:11.24 | Cerulean | ramzez: No you won't |
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| 20:11.33 | Cerulean | ramzez: Just get konsole. You'll be fine with that |
| 20:11.40 | Cerulean | I was ;) |
| 20:11.56 | ramzez | hmm, ok, I will check that |
| 20:12.08 | ramzez | thanks a lot for these information :) |
| 20:12.25 | Cerulean | pleasure |
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| 20:15.19 | kilrae | kde needs a cool minimize animation |
| 20:16.14 | Cerulean | kilrae: No it doesn't |
| 20:16.25 | kilrae | why not? |
| 20:16.29 | Cerulean | kilrae: why? |
| 20:16.40 | kilrae | because it would look cool :P |
| 20:16.44 | Cerulean | It's just as valid either way |
| 20:16.53 | Cerulean | And this way is faster |
| 20:16.58 | kilrae | you could turn it off |
| 20:17.02 | Cerulean | Yeah |
| 20:17.06 | Cerulean | that would be the compromise. |
| 20:17.16 | Cerulean | Why not write one and submit it as a patch? |
| 20:17.45 | kilrae | because that would be the non-lazy way to do it |
| 20:17.51 | Cerulean | heh |
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| 20:20.23 | Vladi | hi, every time i start kde my icons get moved to the upper left corner how can i fix that ? |
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| 20:22.31 | MrPingouin | Vladi: uncheck the "align icons horizontally" maybe ? |
| 20:23.00 | Vladi | everything is unchecked under icons menu when u right click on the desktop |
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| 20:31.43 | jmax1632 | anyone active? |
| 20:32.42 | ysm | lol, on another channel: jonny_> anyone alive ? |
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| 20:32.55 | jmax1632 | lol |
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| 20:33.04 | jmax1632 | well, i have a conundrum |
| 20:33.51 | jmax1632 | i want my desktop to be my home folder |
| 20:33.56 | jmax1632 | anyone know how to do that? |
| 20:34.05 | markey | eh? |
| 20:34.24 | jmax1632 | i want ~/Desktop to be a link to ~ |
| 20:34.34 | markey | why not just symlink then |
| 20:34.47 | jmax1632 | "ln -s ~/Desktop ~" comes with an error |
| 20:34.56 | jmax1632 | that kde needs /Desktop to be a dir |
| 20:35.53 | jmax1632 | any ideas? |
| 20:36.22 | jmax1632 | will "ln -s --directory ~/Desktop ~" mess up my compy? |
| 20:36.28 | ysm | would not be ln -s ~ desktop ? |
| 20:36.28 | jmax1632 | markey: ? |
| 20:36.38 | ysm | with a D |
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| 20:36.51 | jmax1632 | you mean d |
| 20:37.07 | ysm | i mean D (uppercase) |
| 20:37.09 | jmax1632 | which is the same as "ln -s --directory ~/Desktop ~" |
| 20:37.13 | jmax1632 | what does that do? |
| 20:37.21 | ysm | no |
| 20:37.27 | _poison | isn't there a way anymore in kopete 0.10 to select multiple public keys for a contact ? |
| 20:38.02 | ysm | ln -s target link_name |
| 20:38.43 | ysm | so the target is ~ that will be the same as the new link "Desktop" |
| 20:39.05 | jmax1632 | ok.. should i try "ln -s ~ ~/Desktop" or "ln -sd ~ ~/Desktop "? |
| 20:40.29 | jmax1632 | anyone |
| 20:40.30 | jmax1632 | ? |
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| 20:41.30 | jmax1632 | no-one? |
| 20:41.36 | ysm | hum, not seem to be a good Idea, it display nothing now.. |
| 20:41.54 | jmax1632 | well, you've got to exit kde |
| 20:42.14 | jmax1632 | and "mv ~Desktop/* ~/" and "rm -r ~/Desktop" |
| 20:42.24 | jmax1632 | then, you do one of those two |
| 20:42.30 | jmax1632 | i don't know which |
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| 20:44.09 | ysm | need to try that.. |
| 20:44.25 | jmax1632 | so? |
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| 20:47.38 | ysm | it works, but it's weird.. |
| 20:48.06 | jmax1632 | yeah? |
| 20:48.13 | jmax1632 | what command did you run? |
| 20:48.21 | ysm | the one I give you.. |
| 20:48.34 | ysm | you create a Destop link with ~ target |
| 20:48.44 | yannux | yoooop |
| 20:48.51 | jmax1632 | cool |
| 20:49.00 | jmax1632 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.05 | jmax1632 | with or without -d ? |
| 20:49.07 | somekool | hello, can I make kwrite to display "[] |
| 20:49.15 | somekool | hello, can I make kwrite to display "[]" when I type '[' |
| 20:49.22 | ysm | jmax1632: is there a difference between them ? |
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| 20:49.32 | jmax1632 | ysm: ... yes |
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| 20:49.33 | somekool | and so on with ( { ' " |
| 20:49.45 | ysm | I try with the first one |
| 20:50.40 | jmax1632 | ok |
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| 20:53.29 | somekool | hello, can I make kwrite/kate/kdevelop to display "[]" when I type '[' ??? and so on with ( { ' " ? |
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| 20:55.31 | ysm | somekool: it do that for me.. |
| 20:55.43 | ysm | in Quanta at least.. |
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| 20:55.45 | matteo | Ciao a tutti!!! |
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| 20:56.56 | ysm | Editor > Editing > [X] Auto Brackets ?< |
| 20:57.36 | ysm | hum, it's not for ' or " |
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| 20:58.39 | yenia | where can I find a kde tool for my notebook battery? |
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| 20:58.59 | yenia | or is there already one inside in kde 3.4? |
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| 20:59.58 | Cerulean | yenia: Searched google? |
| 21:00.12 | yenia | yes I searched already |
| 21:00.52 | kay | Can anybody point me to configuration for kmilo? |
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| 21:01.11 | Cerulean | kay: Possibly ~/.kde/share/config/kmilorc? I dunno |
| 21:01.27 | ja5on | If I download a file to /home it wont appear in konquerer until a reboot. but if I open a console and cd /home them ls its there.. is this a kde fault |
| 21:01.27 | Cerulean | Oh, it's a kded plugin |
| 21:01.30 | Cerulean | probably not. |
| 21:01.50 | kay | Cerulean: exactly, i looked for that file |
| 21:01.51 | Cerulean | kay: All the options you get will be in the control panel then |
| 21:02.06 | matteo | hi, i have a lot of troubles with kmail |
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| 21:02.10 | kay | there appear to be none... |
| 21:02.13 | matteo | and kaddressbook |
| 21:02.21 | matteo | i lost some contacts |
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| 21:02.42 | Cerulean | kay: Then there are none |
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| 21:03.41 | kay | Cerulean: seems unlikely :p |
| 21:03.46 | matteo | is possible with kmail to have a list of some contacts and send a mail to that list simultaneously? |
| 21:04.01 | matteo | i tried resources and categories |
| 21:04.06 | matteo | but no success |
| 21:04.07 | _poison | matteo: your looking for distribution lists ... |
| 21:04.23 | matteo | _poison: i can't find out where i can create them |
| 21:04.30 | matteo | in kmail or kaddressbook? |
| 21:04.35 | _poison | matteo: in the address book ^^ |
| 21:04.38 | Cerulean | kay: Visit the homepage? Read the README in the source distrobution? If nada, resort to looking through the source? |
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| 21:06.15 | kay | Cerulean: Use the source Luke :) |
| 21:17.03 | kilrae | anyone have translucency working? |
| 21:18.04 | MrPingouin | xorg ? |
| 21:18.43 | kilrae | yup |
| 21:18.43 | Octane | do you people use an RSS reader or do youa ctually visit the website? |
| 21:19.04 | ysm | octane, rss reader(thunberdird) and website.. |
| 21:19.05 | Octane | i dont, but thats cuz im using ATI's drivers |
| 21:19.22 | Octane | ysm, i was using Thunderbird's RSS feature but now im using Akregator |
| 21:19.27 | kilrae | oh, so it doesn't work with the ATI drivers? |
| 21:19.28 | dstambou | morning |
| 21:19.45 | Octane | kilrae, nope |
| 21:19.49 | ysm | kilrae: the kde menu translucency work well with xorg.. |
| 21:19.51 | sarah03 | It works with the ATI drivers. |
| 21:20.17 | sarah03 | The ATI drivers, as in fglrx, not the ATI drivers, as in radeon. |
| 21:20.27 | kilrae | i'm using fglrx |
| 21:20.33 | Octane | i am talking about fglrx |
| 21:20.53 | sarah03 | Octane: I've had it working with fglrx, on a Radeon 9000. |
| 21:21.14 | Octane | sarah03, i have a radeon 9700 using fglrx and enabling Composite doesnt let X start |
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| 21:21.24 | sarah03 | I don't use it, myself, because the whole transparency/translucency doesn't work under Xinerama. |
| 21:21.39 | Octane | yes, i am using 2 monitors |
| 21:21.48 | Octane | perhaps that's why? |
| 21:21.49 | sarah03 | Well, fake transparency works, real transparency doesn't. |
| 21:22.19 | kilrae | i just get a message saying composite crashed twice so kde is disabling it |
| 21:23.50 | sarah03 | Octane: *shrug* Composite comes up just fine here; if I try using kompmgr or xcompmgr with client-side compositing, it doesn't run worth a damn. |
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| 21:24.45 | kilrae | ok, Composite has crashed twice and will not be started |
| 21:24.50 | kilrae | and Damage extension not found |
| 21:25.09 | sarah03 | All of my windows vanish, and then if I'm lucky, I might get bits of the session to appear and then promptly vanish. |
| 21:25.49 | Octane | sarah03, interesting... when i enable composite X says "no displays found" |
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| 21:26.27 | sarah03 | *shrug* It's not given me any issues, except for not working worth a damn. |
| 21:26.49 | sarah03 | Server-side compositing works, but I fail to see the purpose./ |
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| 21:29.10 | MrGrim | hmm according to the x.org cvs the composite code hasn't been touched for 7 months... I wonder if development is proceeding elsewhere |
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| 21:31.57 | kilrae | does it matter where i add the extensions section? |
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| 21:36.38 | sarah03 | kilrae: It shouldn't matter. |
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| 21:37.13 | kilrae | hmm, when i have the extensions section in dri doesn't work |
| 21:37.54 | sarah03 | Hm. I don't use DRI most of the time because it won't work with Xinerama. |
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| 21:41.01 | alexissoft | hi |
| 21:41.22 | PieD | hi |
| 21:41.45 | PieD | did somebody here already had a shutdown of kded without any warning ? |
| 21:41.50 | ppareit | hello, what would be the best way to install/generate kdelibs-apidoc on a slackware system? |
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| 21:42.06 | phh | PieD, ? |
| 21:42.14 | Zeep | Mooo |
| 21:42.14 | PieD | a few minutes ago, I reloaded my favorite webpage |
| 21:42.18 | PieD | which uses cookies |
| 21:42.24 | PieD | => no more cookie |
| 21:42.39 | PieD | I could authentificate me : it didn't work (no cookie received) |
| 21:43.01 | PieD | I checked in konqueror settings : it said it couldn't communicate with the cookie handler |
| 21:43.08 | Zeep | Maybe they have to buy new cookies??? ;-) |
| 21:43.12 | PieD | then I checked in Kcontrol => services |
| 21:43.26 | PieD | and it said it couldn't communicate which kded |
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| 21:43.47 | PieD | and I launched ps : kded was not launched any longer ! :( |
| 21:45.23 | PieD | did somebody already see that ? |
| 21:47.24 | phh | PieD, c'est malin! |
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| 21:51.40 | Eo | Does anybody know how to make a possibility to switch between two keyboard layouts ([Ctrl+Shift] for example)? In KDE 3.3 |
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| 21:56.46 | kbrooks | gwt |
| 21:56.50 | kbrooks | hey |
| 21:56.58 | kbrooks | fuck |
| 21:57.08 | kbrooks | anyway |
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| 21:57.36 | kbrooks | how can i setup kmail for newsgroups |
| 21:57.52 | _poison | kbrooks: knode |
| 21:58.39 | kbrooks | k |
| 21:58.57 | Eo | Does anybody know how to make a possibility to switch between two keyboard layouts ([Ctrl+Shift] for example)? In KDE 3.3 #2 |
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| 22:01.03 | dStruct | any idea why the OpenGL Matrix screeensaver just blanks my screen? |
| 22:01.14 | dStruct | it does this on both my home machine and 2 laptops |
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| 22:01.38 | Eo | dStruct-> do you have glx drivers installed? |
| 22:02.11 | dStruct | Eo: on my home machine i do, GeforceFX 6600GT 128mb with nVidia drivers, along with the GLX module |
| 22:02.29 | dStruct | the laptop is just running GLX with "ati" drivers, not hardware accelerated (yet) |
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| 22:03.17 | dStruct | it's weird, it just blanks the screen, but when i hit test on the screensaver in control center it displays just fine.. |
| 22:03.19 | Eo | dStruct-> Hm |
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| 22:03.29 | dStruct | when i hit test it looks just fine |
| 22:03.55 | dStruct | and Flux(GL) is what i have set right now and it's just fine.. |
| 22:03.58 | dStruct | comes on now problem |
| 22:04.22 | dStruct | s/now/no |
| 22:05.24 | Eo | dStruct-> Hm. And what is the kernel/system? |
| 22:05.58 | dStruct | FC3 |
| 22:06.47 | ImNotMark | bah |
| 22:06.52 | Eo | dStruct-> I sorry I have no ideas |
| 22:06.52 | ImNotMark | damn rpm distros |
| 22:07.41 | dStruct | hmm, it's weird cause other GL screensavers work just fine, and the exact same SS on Gnome is perfect |
| 22:07.45 | Eo | dStruct-> I am using Gentoo. Hard to install but nice to use&know :-) |
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| 22:08.28 | ImNotMark | it isnt hard to install |
| 22:08.35 | ImNotMark | my 10 year old sister installs it |
| 22:08.51 | dStruct | Eo: my work is the largest gentoo mirror, we use 90% gentoo at work |
| 22:09.19 | dStruct | Eo: ftp://gentoo.ccccom.com =) |
| 22:09.29 | ImNotMark | be a man and run bsd |
| 22:09.36 | dStruct | ImNotMark: are you kidding? |
| 22:09.40 | phh | LFS is the best |
| 22:09.47 | slayerbob | windows! |
| 22:10.04 | sarah03 | Hm. NetBSD is nice, for those odd hardware platforms. |
| 22:10.05 | dStruct | Fedora's not bad at all for a quick dirty windows replacement, but Gentoo is my fav |
| 22:10.17 | ImNotMark | i run alot of netbsd boxes |
| 22:10.26 | ImNotMark | freebsd for my workstations |
| 22:10.37 | dStruct | ImNotMark: ever run net/free/open BSD on a soekris box? |
| 22:10.49 | ImNotMark | nope, cant sqay i have |
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| 22:11.10 | dStruct | ImNotMark: i've been running FreeBSD since 3.x but i don't agree with it being the best out there, atleast as a workstation.. |
| 22:11.23 | Eo | dStruct-> respectable work! :-) |
| 22:11.31 | dStruct | ImNotMark: although Solaris is nice =) |
| 22:11.37 | dStruct | Eo: yeah it's rad |
| 22:11.54 | ImNotMark | dStruct i used fbsd for a workstation till i got new hardwear and needed better support |
| 22:12.30 | dStruct | ImNotMark: i did that for 5 years, FreeBSD just isn't flexible enough or fast enough or supported for my needs.. |
| 22:13.45 | Eo | ImNotMark-> Your sister is pretty good :-) |
| 22:14.01 | ImNotMark | Eo no shes a moron, she just knows how to read |
| 22:14.36 | dStruct | ImNotMark: if FreeBSD could do native support for my Silicon Image Serial-ATA controller, 300gb SATA drive, GeforceFX 6600GT 128mb, etc.. then i'd run FreeBSD... :/ |
| 22:14.57 | ImNotMark | dStruct thats why i left it behind for this box |
| 22:15.07 | ImNotMark | still got it on my 266MHz tho |
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| 22:15.52 | dStruct | ImNotMark: oh yeah, i've got a PII/233 w/MMX, and 32mb of PC100 and it's been on FreeBSD 4.0R for 5 years+ and never missed a beat |
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| 22:16.29 | ImNotMark | my 75MHz box is the best tho, 16mb EDO ram and netbsd |
| 22:16.51 | dStruct | i'm installing Gentoo-sparc on one of my Sun box's at work even |
| 22:17.04 | ImNotMark | i still didnt get around to buying a sparc |
| 22:17.05 | Eo | dStruct-> I have been read a benchmark of FreeBSD/OpenBSD/NetBSD & Kernel 2.4x 2.6x on single processor machine. 2.6 is the fastest. |
| 22:17.06 | pinheiro | seams like jurasic park :) |
| 22:17.09 | ImNotMark | would love to for solaris |
| 22:17.24 | dStruct | Eo: cool |
| 22:18.00 | dStruct | i'm gonna setup my Sun e250 with Gentoo-sparc and host a Freenode leaf if they'll go for it.. |
| 22:18.42 | Eo | dStruct-> Great idea! :-) |
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| 22:19.01 | dStruct | Eo: yeah it seems southern california is lacking one |
| 22:20.19 | Eo | dStruct-> :-) |
| 22:20.21 | slayerbob | dStruct: make sure you work out how much bandwidth and traffic it will consume first... |
| 22:20.33 | slayerbob | freenode is not small |
| 22:20.43 | dStruct | slayerbob: it's not an issue, i have plenty of bandwidth at my disposal |
| 22:20.58 | slayerbob | :) |
| 22:21.04 | dStruct | i have an Ultra5 sitting on 100mb doing absolutely nothing right now |
| 22:21.31 | dStruct | another 100mb port ready in my cube at work with a NetraI on it |
| 22:21.54 | Eo | dStruct-> not bad |
| 22:22.13 | dStruct | Eo: i'm not complaining =) http://tour.ccccom.com |
| 22:22.33 | gregday__ | anyone doing anything fun with Qt4 yet? |
| 22:23.16 | dStruct | if you check out the tour flash thingy, i'm the dumbass in the NOC pics =) |
| 22:23.53 | Eo | dStruct-> I see |
| 22:25.43 | Eo | Does anybody know how to make a possibility to switch between two keyboard layouts ([Ctrl+Shift] for example)? In KDE 3.3 #3 |
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| 22:28.53 | somekool | there is already a key for that |
| 22:28.59 | somekool | you can just change it |
| 22:29.15 | ubuntu | hello |
| 22:29.31 | Eo | somekool-> which one? I can not find |
| 22:30.11 | dStruct | Eo: checkout Sticky Switching under Control Center |
| 22:30.18 | somekool | alt-ctrl-k |
| 22:30.46 | ubuntu | I'm using a kubuntu live cd, but i don't know the password, because it just boots straight into the account. Does anyone know how I would go about finding it out? |
| 22:30.53 | somekool | go to keyboard shortcuts and search for "key" you'll find it quickly |
| 22:31.09 | Eo | somekool-> do not work |
| 22:31.20 | somekool | ubuntu: root should not have a passwd, or sudo should be pretty open |
| 22:31.25 | somekool | ubuntu: but i dont know |
| 22:32.23 | Eo | ubuntu-> try #sudo passwd root |
| 22:32.24 | neom | kubuntu root has a password. |
| 22:32.31 | somekool | Eo: oh, you mean, to set it to what it is under windows, unfortunately, looks like kde does not support "alt-shift" or "ctrl-shift" combinaisons |
| 22:32.34 | neom | ubuntu root does not. |
| 22:32.41 | neom | But kubuntu != ubuntu. |
| 22:32.44 | ubuntu | I don't have root privilidges... unless I use sudo |
| 22:32.49 | Eo | somekool-> yep |
| 22:33.27 | somekool | i dont know if its possible in some weird obscure way (hacking into the config file ? ) |
| 22:33.36 | ubuntu | I can't change any of my account settings without the password |
| 22:34.01 | Eo | ubuntu-> did you do #sudo passwd root? |
| 22:34.10 | ubuntu | yes |
| 22:34.14 | Eo | ubuntu-> So? |
| 22:34.20 | ubuntu | I already did that |
| 22:34.24 | burzum | whats the name of the programm that provides the icons on the desktop? kdesk? |
| 22:34.34 | ubuntu | but then I can't set the settings for this user's account can I? |
| 22:35.43 | Eo | ubuntu-> try #su after changing password |
| 22:36.24 | Eo | ubuntu-> Do you like Ubuntu distro? |
| 22:36.58 | ubuntu | I'm new to linux. what does #su do? |
| 22:37.13 | ubuntu | yeah, ubuntu is cool, though I've only seen a couple of other distros |
| 22:37.28 | Eo | ubuntu-> su gives you the root privileges |
| 22:37.29 | ubuntu | and I can't tell the difference, cause I'm not a linux user |
| 22:37.40 | ubuntu | except for the pretty pictures :) |
| 22:37.44 | Eo | ubuntu-> I see :-) |
| 22:38.23 | dStruct | ok this screensaver problem is not just limited to GL Matrix it's happening with a bunch of other screen savers not just GL ones |
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| 22:51.22 | pgimeno | hi! is this the proper chan to ask about sound problems with KDE? |
| 22:51.29 | njaard | yes |
| 22:51.54 | pgimeno | well, aRts seems to be working (xmms-arts works) but KDE sound does not |
| 22:52.06 | njaard | be specific |
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| 22:52.59 | pgimeno | if I enter the sound control center and press Test Sound (wording?) it works but when I try Select System Sounds none plays |
| 22:53.46 | pgimeno | sorry, I'm using the spanish version and I'm not sure about the actual names |
| 22:54.06 | njaard | that's fine |
| 22:54.23 | njaard | ooh, never heard that sound before, it's nice :) |
| 22:54.27 | pgimeno | I can try to switch to English if that helps |
| 22:54.29 | _poison | uhm ... stupid question ... under what licence is Crystal SVG available ? http://www.everaldo.com/legal.html says it's quite the opposite as free .. |
| 22:54.35 | njaard | startup a konsole and type mpeglibartsplay foo.mp3 |
| 22:54.40 | njaard | where foo.mp3 is a file you actually have |
| 22:54.59 | njaard | _poison: that is just his web site |
| 22:55.21 | pinheiro | _poison: its lgpl |
| 22:55.31 | pgimeno | njaard: it works |
| 22:55.41 | pinheiro | i have the mails to prove ot |
| 22:55.41 | canllaith | pgimeno: have you checked the KDE sound troubleshooting section in the faq? |
| 22:55.49 | canllaith | It's in the topic as you come into the channel |
| 22:55.58 | _poison | pinheiro: k ... where do I find the licence file ? I mean clearly stating it's lgpl ? |
| 22:56.11 | njaard | pgimeno: where is "Select system sounds" ? in the system notifications panel? |
| 22:56.15 | pinheiro | he told me that |
| 22:56.19 | pgimeno | canllaith: sorry, will go there! |
| 22:56.26 | pinheiro | i have his mails |
| 22:56.44 | pgimeno | njaard: the place where you select every sound for every application |
| 22:56.55 | njaard | pgimeno: system notifications, then |
| 22:57.00 | pgimeno | yes, system notifications |
| 22:57.37 | njaard | pgimeno: have any ogg files? |
| 22:57.47 | njaard | try to play one with mpeglibartsplay |
| 22:57.52 | _poison | pinheiro: cool ... I'll just _hope_ I don't get sued then ^^ |
| 22:58.04 | _poison | (joking) |
| 22:58.07 | njaard | _poison: if it's not LGPL, it can't be distributed as part of KDE |
| 22:58.09 | pinheiro | no you wont |
| 22:58.12 | njaard | hi canllaith, btw :) |
| 22:58.20 | canllaith | Hey there njaard :) |
| 22:58.24 | pgimeno | njaard: it worked a few minutes ago, I installed ALSA and all system notifications stopped working... checking FAQ now |
| 22:58.39 | _poison | pinheiro: I just wondered ... I didn't couldn't find a licence anywhere ^^ |
| 22:59.06 | njaard | http://webcvs.kde.org/kdelibs/pics/LICENSE.crystalsvg?rev=1.3&view=auto |
| 22:59.23 | _poison | njaard: it had to be GPL only for kde I belive ... which I don't know how to ally to artwork ... are Graphics softwware ? |
| 22:59.37 | canllaith | No, kdelibs is lgpl iirc |
| 22:59.53 | canllaith | and the documentation is under a gpl license designed specifically for documents |
| 23:00.08 | njaard | canllaith is correct |
| 23:00.17 | _poison | ok then, thank you guys =D |
| 23:05.17 | _poison | why isn't there any official 'marketing material' ( =P ) for konqueror ? lieka "get konqueror" button or something like that ... I mean it's way better than the rest ^^ |
| 23:05.32 | _poison | s/lieka/ like a/ |
| 23:06.05 | pinheiro | well............. |
| 23:06.11 | njaard | because nobody has made one yet? |
| 23:06.17 | pinheiro | i just dont know |
| 23:06.47 | _poison | njaard: good point =P |
| 23:06.52 | pinheiro | we at kde nead to start thinking about marketing |
| 23:07.24 | njaard | well, we developers will continue to develop, and you are free to contribute marketing skills :) |
| 23:07.59 | _poison | njaard: I don't have any marketing skills ... I just wan't to spread the word a little ... ^^ |
| 23:08.04 | pinheiro | its not that easy |
| 23:08.26 | pinheiro | njaard: not all of the developers think that way |
| 23:09.06 | njaard | I handle the San Francisco LinuxWorldExpo KDE presence, and have given 3 presentations to LUGs (4 in may :) |
| 23:09.40 | pinheiro | and the marketing stuf im talking about is not only pupets |
| 23:09.41 | canllaith | I think you'll find all the developers are keen on people contributing :) |
| 23:10.00 | njaard | KDE would do just fine without users, but we really need developers |
| 23:10.05 | canllaith | Marketing + Promotion is just as much a valid way to contribute as coding/docs/artwork. |
| 23:10.13 | njaard | agreed |
| 23:10.26 | njaard | if I knew how to speak english, I wouldn't have learned C++ :) |
| 23:10.30 | pinheiro | it has a lot to do with the way kde says it exeits |
| 23:10.38 | lauri | just be accurate what you spread |
| 23:10.48 | pinheiro | exists |
| 23:10.52 | lauri | I'm so tired of correcting accidental FUD spread by well meaning but misguided fans |
| 23:11.09 | pinheiro | see |
| 23:11.24 | pinheiro | im at kde-artists |
| 23:11.35 | _poison | lauri: lol ... a little "get konqueror" button wouldn't be FUD ? would it ? |
| 23:11.56 | lauri | no :) |
| 23:12.03 | njaard | lauri didn't say that :) |
| 23:12.05 | njaard | hi lauri :) |
| 23:12.20 | _poison | lauri: and if I have the ability to put it on a well visited page ... it wouldn't hurt ? |
| 23:12.23 | canllaith | There are lots of promotional efforts going on atm actually |
| 23:12.35 | canllaith | but very very few people, who are doing a little bit here and there so it's taking a very long time. |
| 23:12.59 | lauri | nope, I didn't say that |
| 23:13.02 | lauri | and no it wouldn't |
| 23:13.26 | njaard | http://www.linuxworldchina.com/ |
| 23:13.28 | _poison | k ^^ so I'm going to do such a button ... =) |
| 23:13.30 | lauri | but a "best viewed in konqueror" on the other hand, sends a subtly different message (and one we might not especially want) |
| 23:13.32 | njaard | that's the most annoying web site I've seen in a while |
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| 23:14.27 | _poison | lauri: well ... konqueror has the best CSS support .... so that in many cases would be what kind of message ? ... |
| 23:14.32 | lauri | since everyone working on khtml is putting in enormous effort to make Konq a standards compliant browser, and there shouldn't really be anything that's truly best viewed in konqueror |
| 23:14.48 | njaard | lauri: well, standards compliant web sites :) |
| 23:15.01 | lauri | so it should be saying "best viewed in any truly standards ccompliant browser with really great CSS support like oh, say, konqueror" |
| 23:15.07 | _poison | njaard: my words =) |
| 23:15.10 | lauri | which is a bit much to fit on a button |
| 23:15.21 | canllaith | You could just have two buttons which implies it though |
| 23:15.24 | ysm | best CSS support, tss.. |
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| 23:15.31 | canllaith | "Best viewed in standards complient browsers" |
| 23:15.35 | canllaith | "Get Konqueror!" |
| 23:15.38 | njaard | http://www.w3.org/Icons/valid-xhtml10 |
| 23:15.40 | njaard | that image |
| 23:15.44 | pgimeno | ok, it seems I somehow got the system notifications working again by removing share/config/knotifyrc (even if I haven't upgraded my KDE as the FAQ says) |
| 23:15.53 | pgimeno | thank you very much canllaith and njaard |
| 23:16.10 | pgimeno | and sorry for not reading the FAQ before :(( |
| 23:16.17 | canllaith | pgimeno: lol ok then :) Glad that helped. One of these days I'm gonna diff knotifyrc with a working version when it's naughty like that and see what gosh darn line does it. |
| 23:16.18 | Dave321 | I have two sound cards, how do I change my default? |
| 23:16.19 | njaard | I apologise for not knowing that problem |
| 23:16.28 | njaard | canllaith: please do :) |
| 23:16.31 | ysm | pgimeno: who read faq before asking ? |
| 23:16.46 | njaard | Dave321: use /dev/dsp1 as your sound device |
| 23:16.52 | _poison | ysm: it has ... simply because of the fact that most sites _are_ optimized for IE's (yuck) inability to render CSS correct does the impression that it isn't the fact ... |
| 23:17.04 | canllaith | njaard: I will when someone comes along who hasn't deleted it too quickly =p |
| 23:17.08 | canllaith | Or when the problem happens to me. |
| 23:17.09 | Dave321 | njaard: how / where do I switch it? |
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| 23:17.17 | njaard | canllaith: ooooh... maybe it was as a result of the change from wav to ogg |
| 23:17.20 | canllaith | Dave321: kcontrol -> Sound & Multimemdia -> Sound System |
| 23:17.28 | pgimeno | hehe ysm I frequently do |
| 23:17.30 | canllaith | njaard: I think so, as it's usually only the ogg system notifications that are affected |
| 23:17.55 | canllaith | njaard: usually artsplay will happily play wav and akode will complain it can't load the ogg file... remove knotifyrc and everything seems to work again. |
| 23:18.09 | ysm | _poison: i've report a lot of css bugs in kde 3.3, it's better, but I couldn't say that it's the best actualy.. |
| 23:18.15 | njaard | canllaith: the solution of course to just remove the extension from the file name |
| 23:18.23 | njaard | canllaith: except that solution requires a retroactive fix :] |
| 23:18.30 | _poison | what ever ... I'm off to bed ... |
| 23:18.33 | _poison | c ya ppl ^^ |
| 23:18.38 | pinheiro | me to |
| 23:18.43 | chimaera | is there a way to convince kimgallery to let me create a gallery in a remote folder? or is there an alternative? |
| 23:18.45 | njaard | as do I |
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| 23:19.04 | Dave321 | njaard: canllaith: Tried "Override device location" with /dev/dsp1, got error, "cannot be opened for playback" did I select the correct option? |
| 23:19.05 | njaard | chimaera: copy the files to your local machine? :) |
| 23:19.27 | njaard | Dave321: are you sure both are configured? |
| 23:19.48 | chimaera | njaard: poor workaound ;) |
| 23:19.48 | Dave321 | njaard: No, but one works, I hear things |
| 23:20.07 | njaard | Dave321: or maybe you're using alsa, in which case I don't understand how it works but it's something about numbers and colons |
| 23:20.15 | njaard | (another reason I don't like alsa) |
| 23:22.39 | canllaith | If you're using alsa I think you only ever have one /dev/dsp for backwards compatibility purposes thingy |
| 23:23.08 | canllaith | for the snd_pcm_oss module. |
| 23:23.08 | Dave321 | oh well, thanks anyway |
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| 23:24.00 | canllaith | Ah, silly me two sound cards. Nm. |
| 23:24.10 | Dave321 | canllaith: ls -l /dev/dsp* shows BOTH /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1, so that's not the issue |
| 23:24.21 | canllaith | Yup. |
| 23:24.27 | canllaith | Why are you using oss emulation for both of them though? |
| 23:24.30 | canllaith | Sorry I mean |
| 23:24.38 | Dave321 | I'm not using oss emulation |
| 23:24.38 | canllaith | Why would you want to force KDE to use the oss emulation for a specific card? |
| 23:24.46 | canllaith | Are you using OSS then? |
| 23:24.48 | Dave321 | I want kde to use the other card |
| 23:24.55 | canllaith | Or are you using alsa ? |
| 23:24.59 | Dave321 | No, to my knowledge I'm using alsa |
| 23:25.11 | canllaith | Then the /dev/dsp* devices are created by the oss emulation module |
| 23:25.25 | Dave321 | Alsa doesn't use those? |
| 23:25.32 | canllaith | It does, for oss emulation. |
| 23:25.50 | canllaith | You'd be best to figure out what way to tell KDE to use the second alsa device instead of the second alsa devices oss emulation layer |
| 23:26.34 | njaard | night |
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| 23:27.52 | Dave321 | canllaith: That's what I was trying to do |
| 23:28.51 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.37 | Dave321 | I don't want to use oss or oss emulation, I have alsa working for one card, I want kde to use my other card by default |
| 23:30.34 | canllaith | So then tell KDE to use your other card |
| 23:30.48 | illogic-al | Dave321: whassa prob? |
| 23:31.52 | Dave321 | illogic-al: I have two sound cards, one is working fine with ALSA in KDE. I want to switch my default sound card to the other one in KDE. Any suggestions? |
| 23:32.27 | canllaith | Is it hw:0,1 for the second device or hw:1,0 ? |
| 23:32.42 | Dave321 | I don't know, how can I check for you |
| 23:32.52 | canllaith | Reading the alsa documentation would be a good start :) |
| 23:33.07 | Dave321 | I shouldn't have to for a situation this simple |
| 23:33.18 | illogic-al | Dave321: the way i do it is to modify my /etc/modprobe.conf file and change the sound card order |
| 23:33.39 | Dave321 | That's more of a hack than the proper way I'm sure |
| 23:34.10 | illogic-al | worksforme |
| 23:34.39 | Dave321 | I'm sure it does |
| 23:35.03 | Dave321 | This is reason #17,832 that Linux is losing to Windows |
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| 23:36.16 | dob | Hi, are there any way to put kpager on the panel bar ? or a pager that display a preview of the various desktop? |
| 23:36.23 | Dave321 | lauri: That's OSS emulation, I'm not using that |
| 23:36.33 | lauri | no |
| 23:36.44 | canllaith | No, not on freebsd it's not :) |
| 23:36.50 | illogic-al | lol |
| 23:36.53 | canllaith | Uses a totally different kernel etc |
| 23:36.53 | lauri | it's just a different operating system with a very different way of doing sound handling, that happens to be rather easier |
| 23:37.08 | lauri | hey, we have to have something that's easier :) |
| 23:37.13 | canllaith | Dave321: and as far as 'this is reason foo that linux is losing to <insert OS you have to pay for here>' It works fine for me. |
| 23:37.13 | Dave321 | I'll just install FreeBSD then |
| 23:37.20 | illogic-al | aye, lauri's right about the sound thing. even i could get it :-) |
| 23:37.29 | canllaith | Linux doesn't owe you anything, if you don't want to read a book every now and then to learn how to use it then go and use windows or a mac :) |
| 23:37.45 | Dave321 | I'm not talking about whether or not it works, i'm talking about the lack of tools and help |
| 23:37.49 | canllaith | No-one is forcing you to use Linux, I really couldn't be bothered about the rate of adoption myself. |
| 23:37.59 | illogic-al | Dave321: your aversion to the docs might do you in there. but good luck. freebsd is good stuffs |
| 23:38.12 | canllaith | Well, this isn't an alsa configuration channel. If you don't know how to tell which of your cards is which I'm afraid we can't do much for you there. |
| 23:38.22 | Dave321 | It is a kde channel |
| 23:38.26 | lauri | unfortunately, it's not something KDE can easily remedy |
| 23:38.30 | canllaith | kde != alsa |
| 23:38.31 | Dave321 | gnome has a sweet tool to do this |
| 23:38.34 | lauri | since it runs on fifty bazillion things, many of which don't have, or need, or want, alsa |
| 23:38.34 | canllaith | and KDE is not Linux |
| 23:38.52 | canllaith | Given that it runs on solaris, irix, aix, *BSD etc |
| 23:39.04 | Dave321 | kde is inferior to gnome |
| 23:39.09 | canllaith | That's nice. |
| 23:39.14 | lauri | then go use gnome |
| 23:39.36 | canllaith | You might have better luck on an alsa specific mailing list or channel, where they can tell you how to find out what device name to put in that box |
| 23:39.38 | Alethes | Dave321: I just switched from gnome a few months ago -- I found that gnome was lacking quite a bit of functionality that kde already has |
| 23:39.45 | chimaera | jepp, gnome is just for those overwhelmed by kde's features.. |
| 23:39.48 | canllaith | apart from that, trolling elsewhere would also be appreciated. |
| 23:40.18 | illogic-al | heck no. let's make him keep talking till the sun comes up |
| 23:40.28 | Dave321 | gnome is to kde as god is to satan |
| 23:40.29 | Alethes | wait wait wait |
| 23:40.34 | Alethes | let me go get a snack |
| 23:40.36 | illogic-al | then he'll be a rock forever and won't be able to bother us anymore |
| 23:40.39 | Alethes | hang on dammit, I don't wanna miss this |
| 23:40.42 | Dave321 | hehe |
| 23:40.44 | chimaera | sorry.. but why not getting the device by browsing /proc? *tststs* |
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| 23:40.56 | *** mode/#kde [+q Dave321!*@*] by lauri |
| 23:40.59 | canllaith | hahaha damnit she beat me to the quick draw |
| 23:41.06 | *** mode/#kde [-o lauri] by lauri |
| 23:41.07 | *** mode/#kde [-o canllaith] by canllaith |
| 23:41.13 | Alethes | hah |
| 23:41.16 | lauri | hey, you can still kick him out |
| 23:41.19 | illogic-al | or not... |
| 23:41.21 | chimaera | Dave321: well, god is dead.. |
| 23:41.30 | lauri | but religious discussions are against freenode's channel policy |
| 23:41.31 | canllaith | Nah, that's ok lol. I was going to do exactly what you did lol |
| 23:41.32 | illogic-al | no he's not. god is alive |
| 23:41.36 | chimaera | actually, it never lived. |
| 23:41.38 | lauri | chimaera: you want to be next? |
| 23:41.44 | canllaith | No religion! :P |
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| 23:41.49 | illogic-al | yes! |
| 23:41.50 | canllaith | and no trolling, that's just a silly waste of time |
| 23:41.58 | chimaera | lauri: SCNR |
| 23:42.12 | lauri | well, try harder |
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| 23:42.22 | lauri | you know you want to |
| 23:42.31 | illogic-al | complete with "THE END IS NIGH" on the reverse side |
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| 23:44.01 | illogic-al | and then there was silence. |
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| 23:44.08 | lauri | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/x/xtc/147941.html (I specially love the third verse) |
| 23:44.08 | c-101 | Hi |
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| 23:44.29 | illogic-al | thank link crashed konqueror. it is teh evil. |
| 23:44.49 | lauri | heh, yes, it's in english |
| 23:44.51 | lauri | it's xtc :) |
| 23:44.59 | *** mode/#kde [-q Dave321!*@*] by lauri |
| 23:45.09 | Dave321 | Thank you |
| 23:45.38 | MrGrim | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=MultipleCards |
| 23:46.11 | canllaith | ahaha |
| 23:46.13 | *** part/#kde burzum (~burzum@ftp.probe-networks.lkams.kernel.org) |
| 23:46.14 | canllaith | http://www.alsa-project.org/~valentyn/Alsa-sound-mini-HOWTO-6.html |
| 23:46.17 | canllaith | heh and yes that one too :) |
| 23:46.58 | Dave321 | thank you MrGrim, However I would still contest KDE needs functionality to assist the older generation |
| 23:46.58 | nordle | Is it normal after an upgrade of qt (3.3.3 > 3.3.4) to lose the kde styles like plastik and keramac etc, to be left with CDE, Platinum, CGI etc Has anyone come accross this situation before? |
| 23:46.58 | Dave321 | Thank you canllaith |
| 23:46.58 | canllaith | Dave321: So ask for a refund. |
| 23:46.59 | MrGrim | needs? |
| 23:47.10 | canllaith | nordle: mmmm yeah, depending. Did you upgrade QT using packages or from sources? :) |
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| 23:47.27 | MrGrim | (JuK) [Kid A] 1 - Radiohead - Everything in its Right Place [0:03/4:11] [MP3/256kbps/7.68MB] |
| 23:47.55 | Dave321 | canllaith: I understand I get what I pay for, but that shouldn't limit KDE developers to not expand their software to be the best it can be |
| 23:48.15 | canllaith | Dave321: You think they don't> |
| 23:48.16 | canllaith | ? |
| 23:48.18 | Dave321 | MrGrim: Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon |
| 23:48.19 | nordle | canllaith: packages from slackware-current, I've just asked in ##slackware, but no response yet so Im not sure if its "just me" or a slackware thing, but Im guessing its something I've done as otherwise there would be more noise about it. |
| 23:48.31 | Dave321 | canllaith: I think they should be open to suggestion |
| 23:48.48 | illogic-al | Dave321: they are. that's what bugzilla is for. |
| 23:48.49 | MrGrim | Dave321: they are... they aren't open to trolling |
| 23:48.53 | canllaith | Dave321: They are, if you go through the right channels and don't make a prat of yourself in a user IRC channel where most of the devs aren't hangin. |
| 23:48.59 | MrGrim | and trolling to get your way will generally make them ignore your "suggestion" |
| 23:49.02 | chimaera | *lol* |
| 23:49.08 | illogic-al | you can even try mailing the developers (if your mail survicves the spam filters) |
| 23:49.22 | canllaith | Well, lotsa dev's are in here I know =p It's certainly not the correct forum to whinge about problems though. |
| 23:49.25 | Dave321 | illogic-al: It's more of a feature suggestion that a bug |
| 23:49.30 | Dave321 | MrGrim: I understand |
| 23:49.39 | canllaith | Dave321: However, if you have a problem with KDE open source software empowers you to have the right to go and fix it yourself, yay! :) |
| 23:49.42 | illogic-al | Dave321: bugzilla takes feature requests:-) |
| 23:49.49 | canllaith | Or, you can file a wish/bug at bugs.kde.org and hope someone does it for you |
| 23:49.51 | Dave321 | canllaith: sometimes people don't answer questions unless they are trolled |
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| 23:49.58 | canllaith | Dave321: Honey you're not payin me. |
| 23:50.04 | canllaith | There is no obligation at all on my end to answer anything you ask. |
| 23:50.07 | Dave321 | canllaith: not everyone develops |
| 23:50.11 | canllaith | If I know the answer, I will. |
| 23:50.22 | canllaith | Dave321: Everyone says that as if developers are magical creatures who were born knowing. |
| 23:50.27 | Dave321 | canllaith: I know |
| 23:50.33 | canllaith | Dave321: I didn't know any of the KDE technologies before I started contributing to KDE |
| 23:50.38 | canllaith | I *learned* *them* especially for KDE. |
| 23:50.39 | illogic-al | but they are magical |
| 23:51.02 | illogic-al | ask and *poof*, it shall be given |
| 23:51.06 | canllaith | lol |
| 23:51.09 | nordle | Also in kmail (after upgrading to kde 3.4) I keep getting "The server certificate failed the authenticity test" which never used to happen, so I clicked "Foreever" as in don't ask me again, but it keeps asking everytime the new mail check is started (every 5 mins). |
| 23:51.28 | canllaith | nordle: I'd be inclined to try creating a new user account and see how many of these problems you can recreate as the new user :) |
| 23:51.41 | canllaith | Then we can rule out lots of possible causes of the bugginess |
| 23:51.44 | illogic-al | Dave321: http://bugs.kde.org/ -> There a link that says Report a new wish, bug, or crash |
| 23:51.48 | canllaith | and that will help us figure out what's really goin on. |
| 23:51.58 | illogic-al | wishes are also known as feature requests |
| 23:52.03 | canllaith | Dave321: at any rate, noone is saying you HAVE to contribute, but dissing the developers is going to get you quickly banned. |
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| 23:52.28 | illogic-al | so armed thusly with that info, get thee to bugzilla and have a smashing good time |
| 23:52.29 | canllaith | We do what we do in our spare times around being mothers and fathers and work, teaching and study. If it's not good enough for you donate, contribute, or leave us the heck alone :) |
| 23:52.41 | nordle | canllaith: damin it ;) I should have done that first, I already tried that with another issue from yesturday (which was fixed with an updated package) I'll try that now, thanks, bye. |
| 23:52.47 | canllaith | nordle: lol ok :) |
| 23:53.06 | dec0ding | digikam: ERROR: DigikamCameraProcess: Failed to launch Camera Process ... << when I start Digikam 0.7.1 |
| 23:53.26 | illogic-al | I hear that if you wish upon a star and click your heels 3 times while making you bug report that it'll come true. |
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| 23:53.43 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 23:53.45 | Alethes | btw Dave321: you'll find that gnome devs are a lot less open to your suggestions than kde devs (I'm speaking from a lot of experience) |
| 23:53.46 | illogic-al | I'm not too sure how accurate that info is though seeing as I just made it up. |
| 23:53.54 | canllaith | lol you're such a goose |
| 23:54.07 | dec0ding | digikam: ERROR: DigikamCameraProcess: Failed to launch Camera Process ... << when I start Digikam 0.7.1. Any idea why this? |
| 23:54.16 | canllaith | dec0ding: did you install from sources? |
| 23:54.30 | Alethes | wait |
| 23:54.33 | Alethes | that's not gold |
| 23:54.34 | Alethes | ewwwwwww |
| 23:54.35 | Alethes | heh |
| 23:55.07 | illogic-al | you killed the magic when you cut it. bastard. |
| 23:55.15 | canllaith | is digicam one of the ones that requires gphoto ? |
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| 23:55.34 | lauri | my youngest daughter was telilng me on friday about the egg hunt they had at preschool |
| 23:55.42 | lauri | they all went up in the woods and looked for the easter bunny |
| 23:55.50 | lauri | and the eggs the easter bunny had laid |
| 23:56.08 | dec0ding | canllaith: no, RPM |
| 23:56.13 | illogic-al | lol |
| 23:56.14 | thingy | bunnies lay eggs? Woah! Call mulder and scully! |
| 23:56.28 | lauri | she looked at me witheringly, and said "well, of course only the mummy ones did lay the eggs" |
| 23:56.38 | thingy | heh |
| 23:56.40 | canllaith | Do you have gphoto ? |
| 23:57.13 | canllaith | It's the camera driver for digikam. |
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| 23:58.39 | Alethes | poor canllaith |
| 23:58.41 | Alethes | can't get it up :( |
| 23:58.50 | canllaith | Even worse, if I do I can't KEEP IT UP |
| 23:59.04 | canllaith | according to this email I'm frustrated and my masculinity is at stake here |
| 23:59.15 | Alethes | you should get help |
| 23:59.16 | thingy | use the blue pills! they really do work! |
| 23:59.24 | canllaith | Perhaps I should reply |
| 23:59.35 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.35 | ysm | they are not open source and free ;p |
| 23:59.54 | lauri | sweety |
| 23:59.54 | canllaith | "Thank you for pointing out to me the perils of my medical condition!" |
| 23:59.56 | lauri | if you could keep it up |
| 23:59.59 | illogic-al | did wonders for my spam mail problem :-p |
