| 00:00.04 | Kalumba | and I'd like to do that since I got this great software for free |
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| 00:00.48 | Octane | anyone here have a PDA they recommend that has good linux/kde support |
| 00:01.07 | Octane | (i use thunderbird and korganizer for PIMs and Mail) |
| 00:01.38 | brucehoult | MrGrim: I just seen konversation go from a 1.7MB executable to a 20MB one |
| 00:01.56 | brucehoult | debug info being ten times the size of the code is pretty common |
| 00:02.01 | Kalumba | you've been infected with Insta-Bloat(tm) :P |
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| 00:02.27 | Kalumba | hmmm |
| 00:02.31 | brucehoult | I was recently working on an app that is 10 MB without debug, 120 MB with |
| 00:02.40 | Kalumba | Yikes! |
| 00:03.22 | Kalumba | maybe if I had a 200 GB harddrive then I'd run all the software with --enable-debug |
| 00:03.26 | brucehoult | it's not a problem with modern disk sizes though, when you've got 80 GB or 160 GB or whatever |
| 00:03.42 | SteamedPenguin | Octane: looked into the Sharp Zaurus? |
| 00:03.57 | brucehoult | Kalumba: why? Even with debug info, all of KDE won't be more than a few GB |
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| 00:04.59 | doleyb | Kalumba: you'll run out of ram before the disk space becomes a problem. |
| 00:05.01 | brucehoult | and that stuff doesn't get loaded into RAM or anything .. it just sits on the disk waiting for the app to crash or the user to run a debugger |
| 00:05.37 | Kalumba | Ok. So it just sits there like a beartrap and waits |
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| 00:06.16 | Kalumba | using a small amount of RAM and, from the worst case scenario described, can bloat the size up to 10x the size? |
| 00:06.41 | damjan | I have a strange problem, KDE-3.4 (slackware-current) ... krdc starts rdesktop but it will not embed its window |
| 00:06.42 | damjan | ... so what I get is a rdesktop window and krdc showing a progress bar (that doesn't do anything) |
| 00:06.43 | thiago | the problem with --enable-debug is that it turns optimisations off |
| 00:06.51 | Kalumba | :o |
| 00:06.53 | thiago | so the memory footprint is bigger and it's slower |
| 00:07.03 | Kalumba | That's horrible |
| 00:07.11 | MrGrim | [18:03] <brucehoult> it's not a problem with modern disk sizes though, when you've got 80 GB or 160 GB or whatever <-- perhaps if you don't use the rest of the space for anything |
| 00:07.15 | MrGrim | my 80GB drive is perpetually full |
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| 00:07.22 | MrGrim | with everything BUT konversation stripped |
| 00:07.23 | Kalumba | I didn't use Gentoo for a slower system :) |
| 00:07.28 | thiago | that's why my 120 GB drive isn't fully partitioned :) |
| 00:07.32 | MrGrim | if ALL of the binaries on my system had debug info I'd be screwed |
| 00:07.59 | brucehoult | MrGrim: well, another 80 GB disk costs, what? $50? |
| 00:08.17 | MrGrim | and I'd just fill it up too :P |
| 00:08.30 | MrGrim | it's amazing what a 4mbit connection and a subscription to giganews can accomplish |
| 00:08.31 | Octane | SteamedPenguin, to be quite honest, i havent looked into anything yet |
| 00:08.45 | Octane | just wanted to see what other users recommend |
| 00:08.58 | Kalumba | and it is all legal Linux ISOs and videogame demos? :D |
| 00:09.20 | SteamedPenguin | Octane: well, If I had the money I'd get a sharp zaurus. it runs linux, and being able to SSH from my PDA using konsole just fricking rocks. |
| 00:09.23 | MrGrim | btw does anyone have any recommendations on how to debug graphical garbage when moving icons on teh desktop or in konqi? the KDE devs are playing the blame game |
| 00:09.41 | MrGrim | Kalumba: smthn like that |
| 00:09.56 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: you can buy zaurus for under $99 now, but they suck. |
| 00:10.05 | SteamedPenguin | Octane: otoh, those PDA/phone combos the Treo 650 for example. just had a new howto published on syncing it with kontact |
| 00:10.19 | MrGrim | wow kmix is crash happy in kde 3.4 :/ |
| 00:10.35 | SteamedPenguin | Octane: but you use TBird.. |
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| 00:10.55 | SteamedPenguin | doleyb: they suck? why? |
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| 00:11.12 | MrGrim | crap kmix didn't last 2 minutes this time :/ |
| 00:11.22 | Octane | SteamedPenguin, funny, that Sharp PDA runs Linux, yet the page doesnt load in Firefox -- http://www.sharpusa.com/products/TypeFeatures/0,1147,112,00.html had to use konqueror |
| 00:11.35 | Gaucho | ppl hi, is there any tool to make print screen in kde? |
| 00:11.56 | Paleo | ksnapshot |
| 00:12.03 | Cerulean | Gaucho: ksnapshot |
| 00:12.04 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: well, the cheap ones will be the older 5500 models, and imho, the 40 min battery life is the worse part |
| 00:12.12 | SteamedPenguin | doleyb: eeep |
| 00:12.16 | SteamedPenguin | doleyb: didn't know that |
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| 00:12.38 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: but there's the larger problem that a straight-port of a KDE app isn't very easy to use on a tiny pen screen. |
| 00:12.40 | slim | hi i get this error while trying to compile arts |
| 00:12.41 | slim | Arts::RawDataPacket<float>' |
| 00:12.53 | slim | .libs/libmcop_la.all_cc.o(.gnu.linkonce.t._ZN4Arts14UnixConnectionD0Ev+0x44): In function `Arts::UnixConnection::~UnixConnection()': |
| 00:12.53 | slim | : undefined reference to `std::_List_base<Arts::Buffer*, std::allocator<Arts::Buffer*> >::_M_clear()' |
| 00:12.57 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: like, it can run a mini-conqueror, but using RAM like it was a desktop PC. |
| 00:13.00 | Gaucho | Cerulean: where can i find it? it seems like i havnt installed it yet :( |
| 00:13.18 | Gaucho | is it a part of kdemultimedia? |
| 00:13.21 | Cerulean | Gaucho: I thought it was included de-facto? |
| 00:13.25 | Cerulean | If not, then kdegraphics |
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| 00:13.57 | SteamedPenguin | doleyb: I am more interested in the SSH part to be honest |
| 00:14.26 | SteamedPenguin | but I suppose that can be done on a Palm with those Java SSH implementations |
| 00:14.28 | Gaucho | ok... i have kdegraphics installed :( |
| 00:14.35 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: well, ssh runs fine... you don't have X11, so can't tunnel X... |
| 00:14.40 | Gaucho | but no ksnapshot ehh... |
| 00:14.43 | randabis | Hello, I'm having problems getting my flashplayer working with konqueror. Might anyone be of assistance? |
| 00:14.59 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: but to use ssh, you depend on the keyboard, which is ok, but not great. |
| 00:15.18 | apokryphos | Gaucho: it's definitely kdegraphics. |
| 00:15.22 | SteamedPenguin | oh well, so the Zaurus is not that good of an idea I suppose. |
| 00:15.40 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: a PDA keyboard won't make it easy to do non-alphanumeric things like |][{\/;'"~, which are useful for ssh shell sessions. |
| 00:16.02 | Gaucho | ok ill try to reinstall... thanks! |
| 00:16.24 | doleyb | SteamedPenguin: like, running emacs across ssh from a zaurus is very hard, because you can't really do any Control-Alt-Meta-Hyper combinations. |
| 00:16.28 | randabis | I've pointed konqueror to the correct plugin directories (~/.mozilla/plugins; /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) and told it to scan these directories for plugins, and in the plugins tab it says "Netscape Plugins"..however, flashplayer is not found, and it will not work in konqueror |
| 00:16.47 | SteamedPenguin | doleyb: that's why sane people use vim |
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| 00:17.11 | brucehoult | no, sane people get by with just ctrl and meta in emacs :-) |
| 00:18.09 | brucehoult | even meta is optional, as you can use <esc> instead |
| 00:18.40 | doleyb | Well, if a PDA has a keyboard, it will be like a blackberry thumbboard, and meant to ONLY do alphanumerics needed for emailing. There aren't even control, alt as modifiers. (That is, to get control, you need to hold down a few keys in combo) |
| 00:20.26 | brucehoult | doleyb: oh I don't know. My old Cassiopeia has ctrl and alt and <windows> |
| 00:21.32 | doleyb | bruceholt: I guess the casso folds like a laptop, the zaurus doesn't (except the newer, expensive ones) |
| 00:22.22 | randabis | Can anyone provide some assistance with my flashplayer woes? |
| 00:23.37 | doleyb | bruceholt: and btw, the zaurus keys don't have Escape either, so emacs users are still in trouble. |
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| 00:31.17 | cirkit_ | im currently upgrading to kde 3.4.0 |
| 00:31.23 | cirkit_ | once its done do i need to reboot? |
| 00:31.44 | brucehoult | you need to restart your X server |
| 00:32.45 | cirkit_ | cool |
| 00:32.52 | cirkit_ | some of the packages in 3.4.0 are new |
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| 00:35.51 | randabis | Dhraakellian, :) sorry for the confusion |
| 00:36.18 | Dhraakellian | randabis, it just goes to show where my mind has been recently |
| 00:36.29 | randabis | I'm just trying to figure out why flashplayer won't work in konqueror :/ |
| 00:36.35 | randabis | Dhraakellian, hehe |
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| 00:41.19 | MrGrim | hmm |
| 00:41.26 | MrGrim | arts is ignoring my run in realtime priority setting |
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| 00:45.33 | thiago | is artswrapper installed setuid root? |
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| 00:47.34 | Henkie | KDBG seems to ignore breakpoints set in other files than main-file |
| 00:47.38 | Henkie | any pointers? |
| 00:49.27 | Henkie | :) |
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| 00:51.42 | oleczek | a |
| 00:51.46 | doleyb | Henkie: is it a c++ prog? Have you tried setting similar breakpoints in normal gdb? |
| 00:51.49 | oleczek | upz, |
| 00:52.35 | Henkie | doleyb, yes, and no i was kinda enjoying clicking with the mouse |
| 00:52.47 | Henkie | i'll check |
| 00:53.06 | MrGrim | thiago: yes |
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| 00:53.32 | doleyb | Henkie: because sometimes, breakpoints in c++ won't work until you've already forced a load of that separate file. (especially if templates are involved!) That's not a gui problem, but a debugger issue. |
| 00:55.40 | Henkie | doleyb, is there a way to force a load? Because i am already stepping through the source, and try to set a breakpoint after a long loop |
| 00:56.11 | Henkie | doleyb, so am i already in the other file |
| 00:56.16 | MrGrim | wait |
| 00:58.04 | MrGrim | god the ps man page is completely useless |
| 00:58.11 | MrGrim | the very definition of obfuscation |
| 00:58.18 | nakata | will 3.4 ... blow? my mind? |
| 00:58.41 | ysm-should-work | that is 4 |
| 00:58.44 | doleyb | Henkie: are there templates<> involved? |
| 00:59.28 | Henkie | doleyb, the program uses templates, but not where i want to set a breakpoint |
| 00:59.59 | doleyb | Henkie: oh well, I can't help, maybe you should ask in a compiler related place, not #kde |
| 01:00.11 | thiago | it is |
| 01:00.11 | thiago | read its HTML manual |
| 01:00.38 | MrGrim | what is the difference between priority and niceness? |
| 01:00.52 | thiago | niceness is a value you set |
| 01:00.54 | MrGrim | I saw artsd was still at 0 niceness and assumed it should be -19, but it has -51 priority |
| 01:00.56 | thiago | priority you don't |
| 01:01.14 | MrGrim | what are the upper and lower bounds of priority? |
| 01:01.20 | thiago | no idea |
| 01:01.27 | thiago | priority is a value the kernel uses internally |
| 01:01.40 | Henkie | doleyb, ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:01.50 | MrGrim | ok so it is working then |
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| 01:03.01 | MrGrim | so to figure out why jack is ignoring my realtime setting |
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| 01:12.31 | jsubl2 | MrGrim, jack wont work for me with the realtime switch |
| 01:14.39 | MrGrim | I think you have to use jackstart, I am using jackd |
| 01:14.55 | jsubl2 | yeah i am using jackd also |
| 01:14.57 | MrGrim | but I have to recompile it cause I emerged it w/o th euse flag needed to get jackstart |
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| 01:22.13 | expose | Hi guys. |
| 01:22.35 | expose | anyone able to explain to my why on earth i need to register at every bug-system? |
| 01:22.57 | MrGrim | cause every bug system has a different user database |
| 01:23.03 | expose | I am not a kde developer, and i am not interested in when or how this bug will be fixed. i just found it, and i want to report it. that's it. |
| 01:23.08 | MrGrim | that's like asking why you need to register at every websites forum.. |
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| 01:23.44 | expose | MrGrim: because they are meant for communities, where people go back somewhere again... |
| 01:23.58 | expose | a forum is something different... |
| 01:24.00 | canllaith | There are lots of reasons why registration is desirable. |
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| 01:24.16 | expose | canllaith: well...i asked for some, please tell me |
| 01:24.26 | canllaith | To weed out nusience posts and spam |
| 01:24.39 | canllaith | To have a contact address for you so that we can contact you to ask for more information/backtraces/comments |
| 01:24.40 | MrGrim | kinda obvious :/ |
| 01:24.51 | MrGrim | just gotta put some thought into it is all |
| 01:25.06 | MrGrim | I agree it sucks, but it's the reality of the situation |
| 01:25.43 | expose | well...those "input the number shown in the image" thingies work well i think, and i am not interested in giving more information/comments/backtraces since this happens on all 3.4.0 series kdebase's |
| 01:25.53 | canllaith | Then don't file a bug at all, you're no use to us. |
| 01:26.09 | canllaith | If you refuse to be contacted about it *shrugs* |
| 01:26.20 | MrGrim | if you are unwilling to work with the developers to help identify and fix the bug then why waste your time posting it? |
| 01:26.24 | expose | one day i am registered at 500 databases of bugtracking systems, just because i found a bug 500 years ago. this ...well, it sucks. |
| 01:26.31 | canllaith | So don't register |
| 01:26.34 | canllaith | and don't post, we're not forcing you |
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| 01:27.41 | expose | canllaith: well, bugs that are this abvious dont need more information. anyone who can compile kde will fail at this point...anyway. another bugzilla has track of my. |
| 01:27.43 | expose | byebye... |
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| 01:30.02 | ubuntu | hey |
| 01:30.13 | ubuntu | just wanted to say that kubuntu kicks ass. thx |
| 01:30.22 | brucehoult | how nice for you |
| 01:30.28 | canllaith | hahaha cool :P |
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| 01:30.41 | canllaith | I think apokryphos is pretty active in the kubuntu user forums and stuff, he tells me it's rather nice too |
| 01:31.06 | ubuntu | its awesome. kde 3.4 is awesome |
| 01:31.10 | canllaith | :) |
| 01:31.36 | apokryphos | canllaith: not out of choice ;) |
| 01:31.45 | canllaith | apokryphos: lol oh really? |
| 01:32.00 | SteamedPenguin | ubuntu: yeah, I tried regular ubuntu, warty I think, then I tried kubuntu/hoary on a friends laptop, and man is she impressed |
| 01:32.27 | apokryphos | canllaith: Yup. Was just saying... "that which kills me also feeds me". |
| 01:32.32 | ubuntu | yeah, i didnt care for ubuntu much tho. |
| 01:32.49 | ubuntu | the wireless didnt work with Gnome |
| 01:33.04 | ubuntu | But KDE has a great support for it |
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| 01:34.27 | canllaith | I should check this kubuntu thing out one of these days. |
| 01:34.53 | canllaith | Mandrake + Suse are the more user friendly distros I use for various things, but I've heard a lot of hype about ubuntu |
| 01:34.57 | apokryphos | canllaith: very good idea, I'd say :P. RC is out at the end of the month, I think, and stable out on the 6th. |
| 01:35.05 | canllaith | Which, as it's the next 'new thing' so you kinda expect that. |
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| 01:35.37 | apokryphos | canllaith: yup, the growth has been pretty remarkable; kinda observable in the IRC. Few weeks ago there were around 5 people there; now there's around 60 or so. |
| 01:36.22 | Grogar | where apokryphos? |
| 01:36.24 | ubuntu | actually Suse 9.2 pro didnt work for me either. wireless wise. i hear great things about 9.3. KDE 3.4 Kernel 2.6.11 OpenOffice.org 2 |
| 01:36.27 | ubuntu | its gonna rock |
| 01:36.29 | apokryphos | Grogar: #kubuntu |
| 01:36.33 | Grogar | apokryphos: oh! |
| 01:36.59 | apokryphos | Grogar: we specialise in SuSE converts ;) |
| 01:37.05 | Grogar | apokryphos: hehe :) |
| 01:37.05 | ubuntu | how'd u like it? |
| 01:37.09 | apokryphos | (more FC3/Debian, I'd say) |
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| 01:37.31 | Grogar | I like SuSE a lot, I'm still using 8.2 :) |
| 01:37.58 | Grogar | couldn't afford to install a newer one, but I'll move to 9.3 now. |
| 01:38.12 | apokryphos | cool :) |
| 01:38.20 | Grogar | (OT: is "I graduated in computer science" proper english?) |
| 01:38.58 | thiago | in the US, they'd say "I've majored" |
| 01:39.01 | ubuntu | sweet |
| 01:39.03 | thiago | or probably "I majored" |
| 01:39.11 | mobtek | or with a degree in computer science |
| 01:39.13 | Grogar | right |
| 01:39.16 | Grogar | ah |
| 01:39.24 | Grogar | that could do it too |
| 01:39.26 | Grogar | thanks |
| 01:39.41 | apokryphos | Yup, last option sounds good. I think you'll want caps for Computer Science though (you're referring to the subject). |
| 01:40.27 | Grogar | right thanks! |
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| 01:43.01 | ubuntu | does anybody know if kde 3.4 is in the sid repositories yet? |
| 01:44.12 | jsubl2 | i wonder what libs are needed to get jack to compile with coreaudio support |
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| 01:45.19 | apokryphos | ubuntu: I don't think so; they have the Preview package repository though |
| 01:45.54 | ubuntu | OOo as well? |
| 01:46.20 | apokryphos | not sure. But yeah, only 3.3.2 in Sid: http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianKDE |
| 01:46.55 | ubuntu | hmm, thx |
| 01:47.02 | ubuntu | has anyone tried it yet? |
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| 01:50.55 | Novell | hrm.. Have a problem with 3.4.. It's ejecting my CD-ROM trays all the time (as soon as I close them).. How do I make it stop doing that? |
| 01:51.57 | ubuntu | huh, that's weird |
| 01:52.20 | Novell | ok.. found the problem.. KDED Media Manager is the problem |
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| 01:52.31 | illogic-al | wow. novell. here. in the binary. |
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| 01:59.41 | herbi_ | hi guys, im getting an error when i use kde. every time i login (kdm) and run ANY application i get error dialog "could not find mime type application/ocet stream" |
| 01:59.57 | herbi_ | kde 3.3 |
| 02:00.14 | herbi_ | on debian |
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| 02:03.52 | Vayn0r | hrmm does the flash player 7 plugin with with konqueror? all i get are gray boxes |
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| 02:04.59 | thiago | I have 7.0r25 and it works fine |
| 02:05.06 | apokryphos | Vayn0r: in theory, you just have to specify the location of the .so in Configure Konqueror > Plugins |
| 02:05.35 | Vayn0r | yea i have it specified, but any page that has flash on it, all there are are gray boxes where a flash animation would be |
| 02:05.45 | Vayn0r | i can right click and get flash settings, but it won't play anything |
| 02:05.52 | thiago | tell Konqueror to rescan for plugins |
| 02:05.55 | canllaith | Do you have the composite extension loaded? |
| 02:05.56 | thiago | see if it appears on the list |
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| 02:06.21 | canllaith | Flash refuses to work for me on konqueror if I have th composite extension loaded - just shows a grey box |
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| 02:07.20 | eikelmt | hi any smart guys running kde3.4 |
| 02:07.28 | slayerbob | yup :D |
| 02:07.31 | thiago | running KDE 3.4 here, but not smart |
| 02:07.39 | thiago | so, no :) |
| 02:07.45 | apokryphos | My mummy says I'm smart |
| 02:08.04 | Vayn0r | canllaith: yea i do, lemme disable and see if it helps |
| 02:08.04 | moominski | ok im in |
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| 02:08.13 | grepper | I have a high icq |
| 02:08.14 | randabis | flashplayer will not work in konqueror for me either, but the problem is different than that |
| 02:08.27 | slayerbob | grepper: 100 like 100% ? :P |
| 02:08.28 | thiago | grepper: lol |
| 02:08.36 | grepper | heh |
| 02:08.42 | thiago | grepper: like in the 300M range? :) |
| 02:08.43 | randabis | I've pointed konqueror to the correct plugin directories (~/.mozilla/plugins; /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins) and told it to scan these directories for plugins, and in the plugins tab it says "Netscape Plugins"..however, flashplayer is not found, and it will not work in konqueror |
| 02:08.52 | eikelmt | I am running mandrake 10.1 and just upgraded to KDE3.4 |
| 02:09.10 | thiago | eikelmt: Mandrake didn't release KDE 3.4 packages, as far as I know |
| 02:09.10 | slayerbob | eikelmt: congratulations :) - nice isn't it ? :P |
| 02:09.14 | slayerbob | kde 3.4 i mean |
| 02:09.14 | thiago | where did you find them? |
| 02:09.15 | randabis | anyone have any idea why that is? |
| 02:10.17 | eikelmt | slayerbob it is very nice |
| 02:10.33 | canllaith | um, does the flash player work ok in Mozilla? |
| 02:10.44 | eikelmt | Thiago try thacs rpms |
| 02:10.57 | eikelmt | you will find many goodies there |
| 02:11.11 | thiago | eikelmt: ok |
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| 02:11.20 | thiago | but be aware that those aren't supported packages |
| 02:11.33 | canllaith | Vayn0r: any luck now? :) |
| 02:11.34 | Vayn0r | canllaith: yea composite extension was the problem, thx |
| 02:11.39 | Vayn0r | that's tripped |
| 02:11.44 | canllaith | Vayn0r: awesome :) Glad to help. |
| 02:11.55 | canllaith | I'll add it to the faq now. |
| 02:12.10 | eikelmt | thello to all mandrake users,, try this url : www.thebrix.org.uk |
| 02:13.01 | eikelmt | any tips why I cannot login via the normal login picture |
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| 02:14.07 | eikelmt | its take my password and starting the login process and then I am back to the login screen again |
| 02:14.42 | Octane | is kde-apps giving others a problem? |
| 02:15.16 | thiago | Octane: yes |
| 02:15.21 | Octane | thiago, thanks |
| 02:15.27 | apokryphos | kde-look not loading, too |
| 02:15.32 | Octane | ya |
| 02:15.34 | illogic-al | hi annma |
| 02:15.37 | annma | hi! |
| 02:15.49 | apokryphos | gnome-look, too, for that matter. |
| 02:15.54 | annma | thiago: do you know how to be in the Dot Editor Team? |
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| 02:17.30 | thiago | annma: talk to Riddell. I have no idea how to do that. |
| 02:17.38 | annma | ok |
| 02:17.49 | annma | this survey thing upsets me |
| 02:18.18 | SteamedPenguin | annma: they aren't using gentoo. relax. :) |
| 02:18.45 | annma | who they are is the first question |
| 02:19.07 | annma | that's just non-information and the Dot should not report that |
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| 02:19.23 | canllaith | Heya annma :) |
| 02:19.33 | CygnusX1 | Hello. Do any of you know of a hack to change the text color in kweather? |
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| 02:20.29 | annma | hi canllaith :) |
| 02:20.54 | randabis | canllaith, yes, flashplayer works correctly in both mozilla suite and firefox |
| 02:22.18 | Alethes | man, artsd uses a lot of cpu |
| 02:22.28 | canllaith | it does? Hiya Alethes :) |
| 02:22.31 | randabis | I removed arts...I don't need it |
| 02:22.34 | Alethes | howday :) |
| 02:22.46 | Dhraakellian | I still have arts around |
| 02:22.53 | Dhraakellian | even though I don't use it much |
| 02:22.56 | Alethes | it's not unusual for me to see it using 8-10% constantly |
| 02:23.00 | canllaith | just works for me :) |
| 02:23.08 | Dhraakellian | dmix is teh nifty |
| 02:23.19 | aseigo | Alethes: that's unright. how fast is your cpu? |
| 02:23.26 | Alethes | 1.4ghz athlon |
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| 02:23.53 | Alethes | 8.69% artsd |
| 02:23.58 | Alethes | that's from top at the moment |
| 02:23.59 | slayerbob | hey! don't try to crush aseigo :P |
| 02:24.02 | Alethes | and that's not unusual |
| 02:24.27 | eikelmt | anyone here using KDE 3.4 |
| 02:24.34 | Alethes | what is this 3.4 you speak of? |
| 02:24.36 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:24.40 | slayerbob | :D |
| 02:24.49 | eikelmt | KDE |
| 02:24.52 | slayerbob | eikelmt: didn't you already ask that and receive an affirmative answer ? |
| 02:24.53 | Alethes | kde? |
| 02:25.02 | slayerbob | LOL Alethes |
| 02:25.04 | Alethes | :D |
| 02:25.16 | aseigo | Alethes: brutal... on a 1.4ghz it shouldn't use nearly that |
| 02:25.24 | Alethes | any reason it would? |
| 02:25.36 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:25.37 | eikelmt | my next question: is there anyone who encountered any problems |
| 02:25.38 | slayerbob | eikelmt: in short most of those who are actually talking are using some incarnation of 3.4 |
| 02:25.42 | randabis | eikelmt, I'm using kde 3.4 |
| 02:25.45 | Alethes | :) |
| 02:25.59 | eikelmt | anyone with logon problems |
| 02:26.11 | slayerbob | eikelmt: yeah my magic kde pixies seem a little broken at the moment - i am having to manually install packages that appear on a remote server rather than them just appearing automagically on my machine |
| 02:26.12 | randabis | no, but I still use gdm as my login manager |
| 02:26.17 | Alethes | eikelmt: your questions are getting more and more specific -- good job ;) |
| 02:26.17 | canllaith | You'll have to be more specific than 'logon problems' |
| 02:26.27 | grepper | 0.1% artsd on my 866 MHz system |
| 02:26.32 | ThisBullet | wtf |
| 02:26.39 | apokryphos | randabis: why ;) |
| 02:26.41 | eikelmt | thank you Alethes |
| 02:26.51 | ThisBullet | in kde3.4 where did all my devices go on the left panel in home |
| 02:26.56 | Alethes | I just paused juk to see what artsd did |
| 02:26.58 | ThisBullet | i used to have the /dev stuff |
| 02:26.59 | randabis | apokryphos, because I like the theme I'm using :p |
| 02:26.59 | ThisBullet | everything |
| 02:27.03 | Alethes | it went down to 6% |
| 02:27.04 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:27.04 | eikelmt | anyone having problems with menus |
| 02:27.07 | Alethes | 7% now |
| 02:27.10 | Alethes | and it's not even being used |
| 02:27.37 | slayerbob | eikelmt: perhaps if you just tell us what your problem actually is rather than proceeding down your current path... |
| 02:28.08 | eikelmt | ok |
| 02:28.19 | ThisBullet | oh hot dog! |
| 02:28.24 | ThisBullet | i like this kde print wizard |
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| 02:28.39 | grepper | Alethes: you are using alsa ? |
| 02:28.40 | randabis | mmm...hot dogs... |
| 02:28.43 | slayerbob | wb Alethes |
| 02:28.48 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:28.50 | Alethes | I did a kill -1 on artsd and it killed kde heh |
| 02:28.51 | eikelmt | right now I am getting up my login screen and login on as normal |
| 02:28.58 | Alethes | grepper: no, I'm on fbsd, so it's oss |
| 02:29.05 | grepper | ah |
| 02:29.21 | Alethes | after a kde restart, artsd is using 5% |
| 02:29.26 | Alethes | 6.49 now |
| 02:29.39 | Alethes | 7.13, man |
| 02:29.40 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: on this Sempron 2500 with 512 megs of RAM artsd isn't using any CPU |
| 02:29.44 | grepper | I remember there was a problem at one point when you had "auto" selected in kcontrol for the sound system |
| 02:29.48 | eikelmt | it seems to work as normal but then my login screen pops up again |
| 02:29.55 | ThisBullet | what do i use for a login to the printing system??? |
| 02:30.11 | SteamedPenguin | grepper: using autodetect here |
| 02:30.17 | slayerbob | eikelmt: how far through the login process does it get ? |
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| 02:30.58 | grepper | SteamedPenguin: me too, it was a while back |
| 02:31.07 | eikelmt | it is hard to say , authentication is done |
| 02:31.23 | grepper | but what is a "while back" for me may be different for someone else |
| 02:31.32 | eikelmt | I think he is just finished with authentication |
| 02:31.33 | SteamedPenguin | grepper: heh |
| 02:33.15 | ThisBullet | how do i find my login for the kde printing system |
| 02:33.46 | grepper | try root |
| 02:33.50 | ThisBullet | i did |
| 02:33.53 | ThisBullet | it kicks me back |
| 02:34.01 | ThisBullet | im in the add printer wizzard |
| 02:34.26 | eikelmt | if I setting up my system NOT to start kde or xserver automatic , doing login and startx manually , everything goes fine |
| 02:34.31 | eikelmt | no error |
| 02:34.36 | slayerbob | :) |
| 02:34.59 | slayerbob | eikelmt: do you use xdm, gdm or kdm ? |
| 02:35.04 | eikelmt | if I am logging out from KDE my system will crash, meaning freeze |
| 02:35.44 | eikelmt | I used mandrakelinux display manager |
| 02:36.24 | slayerbob | eikelmt: well it sounds like that is the source of your problem in any case... |
| 02:36.26 | eikelmt | I just installed gdm since I saw one guy had no problem using gdm |
| 02:37.00 | ThisBullet | needed to do administration mode |
| 02:37.44 | eikelmt | I also lost my kde system menu |
| 02:38.55 | randabis | eikelmt, how did you install kde 3.4 within mandrake 10.1 anyway? I don't believe mandrake released any packages for it yet |
| 02:39.11 | randabis | Seems to me that all your errors are probably from a borked kde install |
| 02:39.56 | apokryphos | randabis: I don't think they have, but there are a few functional sources flying about. |
| 02:40.30 | randabis | perhaps, but rpms = evil and you know how that goes anyway :p |
| 02:40.33 | apokryphos | i.e. "Thac's" |
| 02:40.46 | eikelmt | first I installed repository thacs from cli and then installed everything from software installer |
| 02:41.18 | randabis | yeah I have alien, but I haven't needed to use it :p |
| 02:41.26 | SteamedPenguin | I get tested every three months for RPM. With safe installs, and education I hope to remain RPM free. |
| 02:41.26 | Octane | i cannot live without kde-apps/look |
| 02:41.38 | ThisBullet | im getting when i do the test successfullly sent do speon c60 but nothing is happening with the printer physically |
| 02:42.26 | randabis | eikelmt, seems to me that might be where your problem lies...unofficial repositories can wreck havok on systems |
| 02:42.48 | eikelmt | I know what you are saying |
| 02:43.17 | eikelmt | I did this home on my home systems, Intel chipset and nvidia , no problems at all |
| 02:43.27 | randabis | hmm |
| 02:43.32 | eikelmt | this system have sis chipset |
| 02:44.06 | SteamedPenguin | eikelmt: that should not be an issue |
| 02:44.19 | Alethes | what kinda cpu are you guys seeing X use? |
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| 02:44.58 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: using xorg 6.8.2 between 2-5 % on a Sempron 2500 |
| 02:45.04 | Alethes | heh |
| 02:45.13 | Alethes | I'm seeing 9% on my athlon 1.4ghz |
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| 02:45.57 | Alethes | got artsd down to 4% by not running it with the highest priority, but that still seems excessive |
| 02:46.01 | Alethes | nope |
| 02:46.04 | Alethes | back to 7% |
| 02:46.22 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: is it impacting performance? |
| 02:46.25 | slayerbob | Alethes: my cpu is usually pretty low unless i run top :) |
| 02:46.29 | eikelmt | Well I will try to changes to gdm |
| 02:46.39 | SteamedPenguin | yeah |
| 02:46.47 | SteamedPenguin | top raises CPU utilization |
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| 02:46.53 | Alethes | SteamedPenguin: eh, hard to tell, 'cause I don't know anything better with kde on this box :) |
| 02:47.10 | slayerbob | and running top in konsole raises the cpu usage by X :) |
| 02:47.11 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: now X is down to 0% |
| 02:47.15 | Alethes | slayerbob: I'm talking the percentage used by X and artsd specifically |
| 02:47.23 | Alethes | not overall usage |
| 02:47.35 | slayerbob | ah ok i have artsd disabled |
| 02:47.39 | Alethes | those two processes are taking as much as 20% of my cpu |
| 02:47.45 | Alethes | where are you disabling it? |
| 02:47.48 | illogic-al | annma: i tried getting knotify to work with klettres and failed spectacularly. |
| 02:47.58 | illogic-al | sorry, but hey, it's the thought that counts ;-) |
| 02:48.05 | Alethes | and if you don't use that, how do you run apps like your music player, etc? |
| 02:48.14 | annma | illogic-al: ;) ok so KLettres needs aRts is the conclusion |
| 02:48.36 | aseigo | annma: btw.. why is lettres and not letters? |
| 02:48.52 | annma | aseigo: because first it had only French |
| 02:49.02 | annma | I can change it though if needed |
| 02:49.09 | illogic-al | annma: my arts doesn't want to work at all now, so i still don't know but i suspect you're right |
| 02:49.38 | ThisBullet | OMFG!!! KDE I LOVE YOU!!!! my printer ! works thanks the the kde print wizzard. thank you thank you thank you thank you!!! |
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| 02:49.42 | canllaith | annma: I have been playing with kdeedu lately - kturtle is bringing back memories :) |
| 02:49.46 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/kturtle-is-cool.png |
| 02:49.50 | aseigo | annma: whatever.. this week i decided i need to contribute a file for klettres |
| 02:49.52 | ThisBullet | im gonna cry!! |
| 02:49.55 | aseigo | TheSimkin: =) |
| 02:49.59 | Alethes | so, can I have my music without artsd? |
| 02:49.59 | aseigo | er,.. ThisBullet: =) |
| 02:50.16 | Alethes | juk, even? |
| 02:50.22 | illogic-al | there's a good bit of stuff (like files that have to be written or such) that knotify seems to need so it prolly doesn't work |
| 02:50.22 | aseigo | canllaith: that's just... wrong. =P |
| 02:50.29 | annma | canllaith: :) |
| 02:50.30 | canllaith | aseigo: why is it wrong? :P |
| 02:50.39 | SteamedPenguin | canllaith: oh man, that takes me back to 1988 |
| 02:50.41 | annma | beautiful pink |
| 02:50.52 | illogic-al | but i'll try again on the weekend if i get time. this time i'll just rip off the konversation code. that should make it way easier :-) |
| 02:50.56 | aseigo | annma: basically, i want to summarize this page http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/ |
| 02:50.58 | canllaith | The kturtle turtle is much cuter than the scheme turtle. |
| 02:51.05 | slayerbob | lol |
| 02:51.14 | aseigo | annma: imagine how popular a "learn to swear in 80 languages" program will be! |
| 02:51.32 | illogic-al | ThisBullet: kde loves you too |
| 02:51.32 | aseigo | canllaith: though it kind of looks lik it's crapping out hte line =P |
| 02:51.45 | canllaith | aseigo: lol .... pretty purple crap, I can deal with that. |
| 02:51.48 | slayerbob | aseigo: LOL where did you find that page ? |
| 02:51.48 | eikelmt | well I am enjoying kde |
| 02:51.51 | ThisBullet | im so happy |
| 02:51.55 | ThisBullet | it feels so good |
| 02:52.12 | aseigo | slayerbob: oddly, one day i was looking for icelandic swearwords |
| 02:52.15 | eikelmt | what would life without problems be |
| 02:52.18 | aseigo | slayerbob: and that was the first hit on google. |
| 02:52.19 | eikelmt | boring |
| 02:52.21 | slayerbob | lol |
| 02:52.24 | ThisBullet | OMFG IS STOPPED! |
| 02:52.28 | ThisBullet | wtf |
| 02:52.29 | eikelmt | life without learning also boring |
| 02:52.31 | ThisBullet | print damn it |
| 02:52.32 | ThisBullet | print! |
| 02:52.45 | ThisBullet | lmfao it just stopped |
| 02:52.58 | slayerbob | aseigo: so you have embarked on making kabuse or something ? |
| 02:53.11 | aseigo | slayerbob: i'm going to subvert kdeedu apps |
| 02:53.16 | slayerbob | :P |
| 02:53.39 | aseigo | slayerbob: they are already perfectly poised to deliver a stream of verbal filth to kde users everywhere |
| 02:53.48 | aseigo | slayerbob: all that is lacking is the data files =) |
| 02:53.51 | slayerbob | heh |
| 02:54.08 | aseigo | "Get New Language" |
| 02:54.11 | aseigo | "Swearing" |
| 02:54.35 | slayerbob | you are terrible :P |
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| 02:55.24 | aseigo | slayerbob: terrible would be calling it "Swearing MotherFucker!" |
| 02:55.32 | slayerbob | indeed :P |
| 02:56.06 | aseigo | PG, G,... |
| 02:56.32 | canllaith | 'aseigo's top picks' (R18) |
| 02:56.32 | annma | my daughter has a TShirt with: where is the f&%$#ing charming prince |
| 02:56.42 | slayerbob | dammit you beat me to it canllaith :P |
| 02:56.45 | thiago | does that mean we gat to get X-rated stuff off GHNS? |
| 02:56.46 | thiago | :) |
| 02:56.55 | annma | aseigo: I probably can add the swearing part myself |
| 02:57.00 | annma | in FRench as well |
| 02:58.09 | canllaith | and, at how many channels/queries I'm in. Bbs, I have to switch to an irc client with tabs. |
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| 02:59.59 | slayerbob | wb canllaith |
| 03:00.13 | canllaith | thanks :) |
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| 03:07.02 | Alethes | ok, so what can I use instead of artsd, 'cause this just lame |
| 03:07.16 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: depending on your card, dmix |
| 03:07.33 | Alethes | it's a sb live |
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| 03:07.46 | SteamedPenguin | Alethes: if it has hardware mixing then dmix |
| 03:08.22 | Alethes | it doesn't make sense that it'd use more cpu than X even heh |
| 03:08.44 | SteamedPenguin | maybe bad package? |
| 03:08.46 | annma | why is aRTs lame? |
| 03:08.57 | ThisBullet | who disses arts |
| 03:09.13 | annma | Alethes: what problem do you specifically have? |
| 03:09.14 | Alethes | 'cause it's using 8+% of my cpu |
| 03:09.21 | annma | doing what? |
| 03:09.42 | annma | when does aRts use all that CPU? |
| 03:09.50 | Alethes | all the time |
| 03:09.55 | Alethes | constantly |
| 03:09.58 | Alethes | neverending |
| 03:10.12 | ThisBullet | um you could change it's nice |
| 03:10.36 | annma | just artsd not playing anything? |
| 03:10.38 | ThisBullet | if you running linux you should know how certain applications use 'nice' and use 100% cpu but take some away from another when needed. |
| 03:10.43 | Alethes | it plays fine |
| 03:10.51 | Alethes | but it uses way too much cpu for its purpose |
| 03:10.53 | annma | but when it does not play is uses CPU? |
| 03:11.03 | Alethes | yep |
| 03:11.11 | Alethes | even when nothing is playing |
| 03:11.16 | annma | what do you use it for? |
| 03:11.26 | annma | when you use it, what is it for? |
| 03:11.31 | Alethes | juk mostly |
| 03:12.23 | annma | Alethes: an alternative is to kill artsd and use amarok with gstreamer or xine |
| 03:12.40 | annma | however arts should not use CPU like that |
| 03:12.47 | Alethes | I agree |
| 03:12.55 | annma | and filing a bug report to your distro might be a good idea |
| 03:13.11 | Alethes | lauri: fix it, dammit :) |
| 03:13.12 | MrGrim | ThisBullet: niceing artsd to a higher value will just makes arts get less priority ... or use less cpu when the cpu is under 100% load... if the system is idle and artsd needs 8% to do whatever it does than it will get 8%... even if it is set to idle priority |
| 03:13.30 | annma | Alethes: did you have a previous KDE version? |
| 03:13.32 | MrGrim | and if it isn't at 100% load then it'll skip |
| 03:13.34 | MrGrim | erm |
| 03:13.34 | MrGrim | if it IS |
| 03:13.35 | Alethes | I'm using 3.3.2 |
| 03:13.44 | annma | and it's the first KDE? |
| 03:13.54 | Alethes | it's the first one I've used |
| 03:14.15 | annma | first check if there's any same reports for your distro/OS |
| 03:14.42 | MrGrim | ugh kmix is a crash happy bitch in 3.4 :/ |
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| 03:14.46 | parph | I had problems with amarok with this one specific package, after I upgraded kde I installed amarok from the kde mirror i was using, and my problems went away |
| 03:15.17 | parph | Amarok from this site "guru suse rpm's" gave me issues |
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| 03:16.51 | Alethes | http://frontrangebsd.org/pipermail/kde-freebsd/2003-October/006046.html |
| 03:17.23 | Alethes | http://frontrangebsd.org/pipermail/kde-freebsd/2002-April/001399.html |
| 03:17.29 | Alethes | this is an old prob, I guess |
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| 03:29.16 | atrain | hello all... my gentoo box has been great - but resently kde apps wont start with the error: could not open mime type: applications/octet-stream |
| 03:30.07 | grepper | see if you have an octet-stream.desktop in your KDEHOME somewhere |
| 03:30.21 | atrain | KDEHOME = ?? |
| 03:30.35 | randabis | ~/.kde usuallu |
| 03:30.52 | grepper | "kde-config --localprefix" will tell you |
| 03:31.13 | atrain | nope |
| 03:31.44 | ysm | in /usr/src/kde/kdelibs/mimetypes/application/octet-stream.desktop or ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application/ ? |
| 03:32.27 | atrain | ~/.kde/share/mimelnk/application $ ls |
| 03:32.28 | atrain | x-bittorrent.desktop x-php.desktop |
| 03:33.36 | atrain | its in /usr/kde/3.4/share/mimetypes/application/ |
| 03:33.43 | atrain | so what do i do |
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| 03:34.03 | atrius | hello all |
| 03:34.04 | atrain | should i symlink .kde/share/mimetypes to that folder? |
| 03:34.15 | ysm | I don't think so |
| 03:34.27 | atrain | so what do i do then? |
| 03:34.44 | grepper | atrain: no, I was going to suggest rm'ing it if you found it :) |
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| 03:35.11 | atrain | error says it cant find it |
| 03:35.31 | grepper | yes, I saw |
| 03:35.39 | atrius | is kdelook.org down or is it just me? |
| 03:36.01 | grepper | atrius: do you find it hard to sleep and difficult to concentrate ? |
| 03:36.08 | apokryphos | atrain: it's down |
| 03:36.35 | atrius | grepper: why do you ask? |
| 03:36.54 | atrius | apokryphos: was that for me? |
| 03:37.09 | apokryphos | atrius: oh, yes, sorry. |
| 03:37.14 | canllaith | LOL |
| 03:37.17 | atrius | apokryphos: np.. :) |
| 03:37.24 | canllaith | ahahahaha grepper |
| 03:37.26 | atrius | okay, at least i'm not nuts |
| 03:37.32 | atrain | so u guys ignore me now... |
| 03:37.44 | atrain | :( |
| 03:37.52 | atrain | n00b needs help |
| 03:38.35 | grepper | atrain: try running kbuildsycoca --noincremental , just for giggles |
| 03:38.59 | atrain | ??? |
| 03:38.59 | atrain | whats that do? |
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| 03:39.07 | Alethes | it's equivalent to rm -rf / |
| 03:39.11 | Alethes | :D |
| 03:39.16 | atrain | sure it is... |
| 03:39.30 | atrain | crap! |
| 03:39.36 | atrain | now i have no k menu!!! |
| 03:40.16 | atrain | i have 0 applications! |
| 03:40.18 | atrain | :( |
| 03:40.26 | atrain | thanx grepper! |
| 03:40.37 | Alethes | think of it as being a cleaner kde |
| 03:40.37 | grepper | atrain: I didn't suggest rm -fr / |
| 03:40.39 | Alethes | less clutter |
| 03:40.53 | grepper | try restarting kicker |
| 03:41.01 | atrain | >: O |
| 03:41.21 | grepper | if that killed your menu your kde has deeper problems than a missing mimetype |
| 03:41.38 | atrain | its bacl |
| 03:41.40 | atrain | k |
| 03:41.52 | atrain | thanx it works again |
| 03:41.56 | atrain | no more errors |
| 03:41.57 | atrain | :D |
| 03:42.04 | atrain | u guys rock |
| 03:42.32 | atrius | well it would be easier to find things that way ;) |
| 03:42.51 | atrain | as a reward i give you guys a representation of me: |
| 03:42.53 | atrain | >:{|> |
| 03:43.17 | atrius | would it be correct to say that xinerama support for the wallpaper renderer would be a 4.0 feature? |
| 03:43.31 | canllaith | Ask me when 3.4 gets here |
| 03:43.44 | atrius | canllaith: ? |
| 03:43.47 | atrain | its out now |
| 03:43.55 | canllaith | Uh I mean |
| 03:43.56 | canllaith | 4.0 :| |
| 03:44.01 | atrius | hehehe |
| 03:44.04 | canllaith | Why did my fingers type that? Hmmm sorry :P |
| 03:44.29 | atrius | this of course serves to remind me that 3.4 rocks.. best yet in fact |
| 03:44.33 | atrain | :d <-- ow tonge in eye! pain! |
| 03:44.36 | Alethes | canllaith has a floating point calculation error in her brain |
| 03:44.41 | atrius | hehehe |
| 03:44.44 | atrain | lolz |
| 03:44.48 | canllaith | int kde_version; |
| 03:44.49 | atrius | running a P2 in there? :) |
| 03:44.53 | atrain | im tried |
| 03:44.53 | canllaith | 4 |
| 03:44.53 | Alethes | haha |
| 03:44.55 | canllaith | :P |
| 03:44.56 | atrain | tired |
| 03:45.02 | atrain | thats the work |
| 03:45.02 | atrain | d |
| 03:45.03 | Alethes | wouldn't it be 3? :P |
| 03:45.10 | atrius | good point |
| 03:45.21 | atrain | testing software suspend - pray for me |
| 03:45.46 | canllaith | oh thank you so much but I don't like coffee! |
| 03:45.52 | canllaith | It's a nice thought though :) |
| 03:45.56 | atrius | heheheh |
| 03:46.03 | atrain | mmmm |
| 03:46.21 | atrius | canllaith: if my latte` tastes like regular coffee... something has gone horribly wrong ;) |
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| 03:47.16 | canllaith | :| |
| 03:47.20 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 03:47.27 | atrius | heheh |
| 03:47.38 | atrius | hhhhh |
| 03:47.51 | brucehoult | waiter: if this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee. |
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| 03:48.47 | brucehoult | atrius: oh cool .. I could use that. |
| 03:48.52 | atrius | hmmm... i see kde-apps is on the same server as kde-look... |
| 03:50.51 | atrius | is there anyway around the desktop background xinerama issue right now? |
| 03:50.56 | atrius | aside from making huge images |
| 03:51.32 | canllaith | Sew your images together in the gimp? :P |
| 03:51.37 | canllaith | This is what I do |
| 03:51.47 | atrius | or having separate X displays |
| 03:52.01 | atrius | canllaith: that counts as huge images ;) heheh |
| 03:54.13 | canllaith | I have some nice digital blasphemy dual display wallpapers. |
| 03:54.15 | canllaith | So 'huge images' |
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| 03:54.48 | atrius | canllaith: roger that. might have to check those out. |
| 03:55.12 | atrius | canllaith: this is almost enough to make me want to go back to separate displays |
| 03:55.24 | atrius | canllaith: then i want to drag a window from one to the other... and that's the end of that |
| 03:55.27 | canllaith | wallpapers? My word, do they bother you that much? :P |
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| 03:56.04 | kilrae | i'm out of hard drive space |
| 03:56.37 | atrius | canllaith: it's a quality thing. not cool when my friend using xfce points out he doesn't have such issues. then i point out i/o slaves and that's the end of that ;) |
| 03:57.16 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 03:57.22 | canllaith | fish:/ > wallpapers |
| 03:57.31 | atrius | canllaith: without a doubt :) |
| 03:57.48 | Alethes | if I had nothing else, I think fish:/ would make me use kde |
| 03:57.52 | canllaith | :D |
| 03:57.54 | Alethes | 'cause it makes my web dev so much easier |
| 03:57.57 | canllaith | It realy is fantastic. |
| 03:58.05 | atrius | canllaith: on the other hand... it's still damned annoying :) |
| 03:58.11 | Alethes | fish and kate |
| 03:58.17 | Alethes | it's all I ever use |
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| 03:58.20 | atrius | canllaith: it's the reason i'm fighting to hard to get a unix/linux work station at work |
| 03:58.39 | atrius | canllaith: images ioslave? did i miss something? |
| 03:58.46 | canllaith | no no no |
| 03:58.52 | canllaith | as in put pictures on the feature guide ;) |
| 03:59.08 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/features-guide/ |
| 03:59.14 | atrius | oh okay :) |
| 03:59.28 | canllaith | Some of those, to go on here |
| 03:59.30 | canllaith | http://features.physos.net/filemanager.php |
| 04:00.55 | ysm | oh, canllaith is a cat ;p |
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| 04:02.04 | ysm | wait, I have to search for these verb in my dictionary... |
| 04:03.09 | ysm | oh, that's correct.. I don't have to worry.. |
| 04:03.33 | canllaith | ysm: what a cat does, to make snarling noise and hit you with claws? |
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| 04:03.55 | cartel_ | hey all anyone know how to konfigure kontact to konnect to livejournal.com for blogs? |
| 04:05.34 | canllaith | sorry cartel_ I'm being a cat today. No, I don't but there is a #kontact channel that might be more help |
| 04:05.53 | grepper | cartel_: I would imagine you would konfigure knewsticker if they have a feed |
| 04:06.08 | atrius | hehehe |
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| 04:06.28 | canllaith | ysm: so what makes you say I am a cat? Is this a white cat with blue eyes maybe? |
| 04:07.05 | ysm | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/files/avatars/avatar-808.jpg |
| 04:07.12 | canllaith | :) |
| 04:07.22 | canllaith | I have a confession to make. |
| 04:07.24 | canllaith | She is prettier than I am! |
| 04:07.33 | CygnusX1 | Hello. Do any of you know of a hack to change the text color in kweather? |
| 04:10.36 | canllaith | Has anyone attempted to build kdelibs doay ? |
| 04:10.38 | canllaith | today ** |
| 04:11.12 | illogic-al | aseigo: indispensible site. it is now bookmarked |
| 04:11.16 | atrius | canllaith: is there some new version already? |
| 04:11.28 | canllaith | cvs is constantly updated |
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| 04:12.14 | atrius | canllaith: duh |
| 04:12.15 | atrius | sorry |
| 04:12.16 | atrius | hehe |
| 04:13.48 | atrius | konversation rocks :) |
| 04:16.34 | canllaith | Sure does :) |
| 04:16.59 | atrius | as opposed to? |
| 04:17.40 | cartel_ | hmmmmm |
| 04:18.40 | cartel_ | grepper: hoping i can integrate my journal to kontact |
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| 04:19.48 | canllaith | awww what's wrong with lisa ? |
| 04:20.07 | atrius | canllaith: misbehaving... what else? :) |
| 04:21.02 | Octane | anyone know how to make KDE remember clipboard stuff after you exit a prorgam |
| 04:21.13 | Octane | whenever i exit any program i lose the clipboard that was saved in it |
| 04:21.21 | grepper | even using klipper ? |
| 04:21.21 | atrius | doesn't klipper do that? |
| 04:22.09 | cartel_ | lisa is always broken... |
| 04:22.15 | cartel_ | lisa has been broken forever |
| 04:22.21 | Octane | i disabled klipper |
| 04:22.29 | Octane | i guess thats why i need it |
| 04:22.42 | cartel_ | Octane: heheh |
| 04:22.55 | cartel_ | well my kubuntu desktop is MUCH more productive than my old windblows... |
| 04:23.07 | randabis | :) |
| 04:23.13 | randabis | kubuntu/ubuntu rocks :p |
| 04:23.29 | atrius | very odd... lisa says there is no one on the network... i'm thinking that's wrong... |
| 04:23.40 | canllaith | lisa works fine here..... |
| 04:23.40 | canllaith | Octane: yeah, you need a clipboard kinda process running for the data not to be lost |
| 04:23.59 | atrius | canllaith: oh it's some config issue on this end.. just not sure what yet |
| 04:25.16 | cartel_ | randabis: havent tried anything advanced yet |
| 04:25.21 | Octane | canllaith, thansk for the clarification, i appreciate it |
| 04:25.34 | cartel_ | randabis: wonder what its going to do when i start folding in sarge sources |
| 04:25.44 | randabis | you'll break it |
| 04:25.50 | randabis | I don't think you should do that |
| 04:25.56 | cartel_ | hehe |
| 04:26.04 | cartel_ | well i will use kubuntu just for my desktop then |
| 04:26.48 | apokryphos | cartel_: what sarge sources? As in, what things? |
| 04:26.58 | apokryphos | most people ahve the marillat repo, I believe. |
| 04:27.39 | cartel_ | apokryphos: really |
| 04:28.04 | apokryphos | cartel_: Yes; the wiki suggests you add it on the "Restricted Formats" article, or at least it did. |
| 04:28.13 | apokryphos | I still have it running here |
| 04:28.15 | randabis | yeah marillat is generally safe |
| 04:28.19 | cartel_ | gak |
| 04:28.34 | cartel_ | ubuntu another one of those horrible distros that block mp3?? |
| 04:28.59 | apokryphos | cartel_: yeah :p, but easily sorted. |
| 04:29.16 | apokryphos | as in, you have to download one package :) (two, for support with KDE). |
| 04:29.43 | atrius | i smacked lisa around a bit more and it works now |
| 04:29.51 | cartel_ | lol! JuK installed by default but no noatun! |
| 04:30.25 | atrius | yay fish!! |
| 04:30.38 | cartel_ | fish is my friend :) |
| 04:31.55 | grepper | fish://sticks |
| 04:32.53 | kilrae | what should i do about my hard drive problems? |
| 04:34.08 | grepper | depends what they are |
| 04:34.36 | canllaith | Get a new hdd? :) |
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| 04:34.52 | kilrae | that's expensive |
| 04:35.14 | kilrae | and i already have 6 |
| 04:35.31 | canllaith | Delete some data? :P |
| 04:35.54 | kilrae | i'm debating that |
| 04:36.42 | kilrae | trying to decide whether i really need half a terabyte of adult material |
| 04:37.05 | brucehoult | you don't |
| 04:37.10 | kilrae | but if i got rid of that i'd have to shut down the ftp |
| 04:37.24 | brucehoult | send it to the following GPS coordinates: |
| 04:38.00 | canllaith | Yeah, you can store it in my room |
| 04:38.08 | kilrae | i could probably stop downloading, but i'm not sure i can bring myself to delete it |
| 04:38.09 | canllaith | cause when it arrives, I wont be in it. |
| 04:38.14 | kilrae | seems like such a waste |
| 04:39.06 | slayerbob | well it is - there are much better uses for that much space |
| 04:39.21 | canllaith | Yup. Slayerbob would put star trek on it. |
| 04:39.21 | brucehoult | exactly |
| 04:39.35 | kilrae | i was thinking MP3s |
| 04:41.18 | ysm | star trek mp3s ? |
| 04:41.29 | kilrae | yup |
| 04:41.40 | kilrae | who needs video? |
| 04:41.57 | brucehoult | "make it so" |
| 04:42.14 | brucehoult | "beam me up Scotty" |
| 04:42.23 | brucehoult | got the basis of a mashup hit there |
| 04:42.40 | randabis | but captain, we don't have the power |
| 04:43.04 | ysm | "make it so" |
| 04:43.17 | randabis | the klingons are approaching |
| 04:43.23 | Kryczek | eh, i was about to say that |
| 04:43.29 | kilrae | red alert |
| 04:43.33 | brucehoult | klingons on the starboard bow |
| 04:43.38 | kilrae | phasers on stun |
| 04:43.47 | randabis | engage |
| 04:43.50 | Dhraakellian | brucehoult, Scrape them off, Jim! |
| 04:43.54 | kilrae | to feel is illogical |
| 04:44.09 | brucehoult | it is a good day to die |
| 04:44.18 | kilrae | to be or not to be |
| 04:44.28 | randabis | dammit, I'm a doctor jim |
| 04:44.35 | kilrae | KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! |
| 04:45.02 | canllaith | don't forget to reverse the polarity of the deflector array. |
| 04:45.09 | brucehoult | Star Trekkin' across the universe, |
| 04:45.11 | brucehoult | On the Starship Enterprise under Captain Kirk. |
| 04:45.12 | brucehoult | Star Trekkin' across the universe, |
| 04:45.14 | brucehoult | Â Boldly going forward 'cause we can't find reverse. |
| 04:45.20 | cartel_ | hmm |
| 04:45.28 | cartel_ | when i click add network folder, it does nothing? |
| 04:45.30 | _b | so now I know what kde stands for... |
| 04:45.40 | _b | klingons destroy enterprise |
| 04:45.40 | kilrae | my jellyfish friends are helping me fly! without pants! |
| 04:45.46 | Kryczek | _b: lol |
| 04:45.50 | Kryczek | kilrae: yaaay! |
| 04:45.54 | brucehoult | it's life, Jim, but not as we know it |
| 04:46.12 | Kryczek | who's gonna play Gary ? |
| 04:46.15 | _b | or Khan Delays Entropy, or something |
| 04:46.18 | Kryczek | "meow" hahahhahaa |
| 04:46.30 | kilrae | but until starfleet command hands me such an order or directive, i can't... |
| 04:46.56 | kilrae | resequenced photons |
| 04:47.14 | Kryczek | oh teh noes! a jellyfish is stuck in the warp core ? |
| 04:47.17 | Kryczek | oh teh noes! a jellyfish is stuck in the warp core ! |
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| 04:47.33 | canllaith | :| |
| 04:47.41 | Kryczek | canllaith: which is.. ? |
| 04:47.46 | randabis | paul van dyk on the tables here |
| 04:47.54 | canllaith | startrekking across the universe :'( |
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| 04:48.19 | brucehoult | http://www.trekkieguy.com/misc/star_trekkin.mp3 |
| 04:48.29 | Dhraakellian | It's worse than that! It's Physics, Jim! |
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| 04:50.50 | cartel_ | so does add network folder do anything? |
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| 04:52.40 | ysm | woah.. |
| 04:53.32 | illogic-al | cartel_: it should |
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| 04:55.27 | illogic-al | cartel_: if you type help:/knetattach/ in konqueror you should see the (rather poor) manual for it. |
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| 04:55.40 | canllaith | false modesty! |
| 04:55.51 | illogic-al | ew. and the old version at that |
| 04:56.04 | illogic-al | canllaith: nah. it really sucks. |
| 04:56.23 | illogic-al | i'll redo it one of these days. |
| 04:57.02 | canllaith | I think it depends on the stylesheet Dhraakellian .. mine don't select color from the possible attributes... |
| 04:57.13 | canllaith | illogic-al: heh, I promised weeks ago I'd rewrite the kicker handbook... so don't look at me :$ |
| 04:59.22 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 04:59.54 | Dhraakellian | none of them appear to be affecting this guy's HUGE FONT SIZE |
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| 05:00.14 | chash | lol |
| 05:00.19 | chash | GAHH!!! |
| 05:00.44 | chash | browserextension.lol |
| 05:00.47 | chash | erhm |
| 05:00.48 | chash | browserextension.lo |
| 05:00.59 | chash | cvs kdelibs fails on that everytime |
| 05:01.07 | chash | seems more like a QT clipboard thingie tho |
| 05:01.10 | Dhraakellian | lol? |
| 05:01.38 | chash | heh...the lol was accidental :P |
| 05:01.47 | Kryczek | < chash> browserextension.lol |
| 05:01.48 | Kryczek | hahahaha |
| 05:01.53 | chash | hehe |
| 05:02.15 | Kryczek | chash: it's ok, you're not the one typing HSEX each time instead of HSEC in email subjects |
| 05:02.22 | Kryczek | [HSEC] blah blah blah |
| 05:02.24 | chash | hahaha |
| 05:02.34 | chash | that must suck :S |
| 05:02.49 | Kryczek | well, i haven't yet sent one without correcting :) |
| 05:03.07 | Kryczek | but it would be damn annoying if someone was looking over my shoulder |
| 05:03.13 | Kryczek | HSEX^HC ... |
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| 05:20.43 | chash | wat kinda {C,CXX}FLAGS do you pplz use for building kdecvs? |
| 05:20.46 | chash | sane ones? |
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| 05:22.13 | illogic-al | chash: the insane in the membrane ones |
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| 05:22.57 | chash | and it still compiles? lol |
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| 05:30.32 | chash | argh |
| 05:30.41 | chash | konq_operations.cc |
| 05:30.48 | chash | line 385 |
| 05:31.06 | chash | pasteMimeSource is not a member of KIO |
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| 05:37.21 | ravencrow | hello |
| 05:37.41 | chash | hi |
| 05:37.47 | chash | canllaith, ping :) |
| 05:38.03 | ravencrow | o.O konversation is sexy |
| 05:38.04 | ravencrow | lol |
| 05:38.30 | canllaith | mmm ?:) |
| 05:38.31 | kendrick | hehe |
| 05:38.33 | kendrick | first time? |
| 05:38.42 | ravencrow | yeah just download it. |
| 05:38.42 | ravencrow | lol |
| 05:38.50 | ravencrow | downloaded* |
| 05:39.17 | chash | canllaith, u dont get any errors when updating from cvs? |
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| 05:39.19 | chash | :/ |
| 05:39.27 | chash | im getting 70 a minute...rofl |
| 05:39.40 | chash | actually like 2 but ok :) |
| 05:39.41 | canllaith | I just got kdelibs to build with a little help from a patch from mattr |
| 05:39.53 | canllaith | kdebase/network/pim/multimedia etc etc all building fine for me here. |
| 05:39.56 | chash | kdelibs and kdebase are broked here |
| 05:40.01 | chash | hmm |
| 05:40.10 | chash | konq_operations.cc |
| 05:40.12 | canllaith | kdelibs problem is? |
| 05:40.31 | chash | dunno. skipped that update...retrying now |
| 05:40.35 | chash | erhm |
| 05:40.43 | canllaith | ok, if it's browserextension.cpp I have a patch for it |
| 05:40.44 | chash | that sounded bad...haha |
| 05:40.51 | chash | i think it was! |
| 05:40.56 | chash | something about qt clipboard? |
| 05:41.04 | canllaith | Yes, I'll upload the patch for you now |
| 05:41.11 | chash | cool thanx! |
| 05:41.29 | canllaith | Thank Matt next time he's in since he fixed it :P |
| 05:41.39 | chash | :D:D will do! :) |
| 05:41.43 | canllaith | http://www.hoult.org/~canllaith/foo/browserextension_compile.patch |
| 05:42.18 | chash | YAY! thanx much ^_^ |
| 05:42.45 | canllaith | in kdelibs just do 'patch < patchfilename' I think |
| 05:42.55 | canllaith | if it asks you for the name of the file to patch cause it can't find it, tell it kparts/browserextension.cpp |
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| 05:43.52 | chash | k |
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| 05:55.00 | AnotherData | anyone having troubles connecting to kde-look.org? |
| 05:55.11 | chash | lets see |
| 05:55.14 | canllaith | I think someone mentioned yeah |
| 05:55.34 | chash | yea |
| 05:55.34 | chash | same here |
| 05:55.40 | AnotherData | ah,that sux |
| 05:56.15 | chash | google cache! http://www.google.com/search?client=soap&q=cache:http%3A%2F%2Fkde-look.org |
| 05:56.17 | chash | hhe |
| 05:56.20 | chash | hehe^^ |
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| 05:56.53 | AnotherData | hehe |
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| 05:58.04 | AnotherData | cool tho it wont load when i click on anything |
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| 06:00.34 | chash | haha |
| 06:01.15 | Axelay | Not sure if this is the right channel, but I wanted to see if I could find a k3b/cdrecord/growisofs dvd-r wizard, and this seemed the best place to start looking |
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| 06:08.43 | illogic-al | yaaaaaaaaay. |
| 06:08.48 | illogic-al | wordpress works! |
| 06:08.52 | pankey | hehe |
| 06:08.57 | illogic-al | marvel at my words peons! |
| 06:09.04 | illogic-al | http://www.illogic-al.org/~orville/wordpress/ |
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| 06:16.02 | canllaith | I hate kopete :( |
| 06:16.07 | slayerbob | awww :( |
| 06:16.12 | slayerbob | what happened to psi ? |
| 06:16.20 | canllaith | msn transports were down for ages |
| 06:16.25 | canllaith | looks like it's back today |
| 06:16.25 | slayerbob | ah ok |
| 06:16.29 | canllaith | :) Which is nice |
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| 06:36.47 | Octane | oh my god i cant wait for krita!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:38.32 | scrooge | krita? |
| 06:38.50 | Octane | qt graphics prgram |
| 06:38.59 | Octane | kde's photoshop |
| 06:39.13 | scrooge | ahh nice |
| 06:39.21 | Octane | http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/hacking/krita |
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| 06:42.28 | Kryczek | "Learning C++ and achieving a decent brush" |
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| 06:42.43 | Kryczek | looks like we'll have to wait for a while before Krita is released |
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| 06:44.16 | Octane | april 11 |
| 06:44.20 | Octane | first public beta |
| 06:44.29 | Octane | cvs snapshots are available regulary at kde-apps |
| 06:45.15 | Kryczek | Octane: how good is it at the moment ? |
| 06:45.23 | Octane | dunno |
| 06:45.28 | Kryczek | :| |
| 06:45.55 | Kryczek | Octane: any idea how to draw a simple shape, like a square, or even better, a square with rounded corners, in GIMP ? |
| 06:46.20 | Kryczek | gimp is nice, but sometimes i get so pissed off |
| 06:46.37 | Octane | i hate gimp and refuse to use it |
| 06:46.48 | Kryczek | why do u hate it |
| 06:46.56 | Octane | i find it not usable |
| 06:46.57 | Kryczek | i hate it for having such basic features |
| 06:47.25 | Kryczek | in some cases it is good enough, for image manipulation for example |
| 06:47.32 | Kryczek | but if you want to do something from scratch |
| 06:47.48 | Kryczek | dammit, i feel like reinstalling windows and use fireworks or photoshop |
| 06:48.18 | Octane | i wouidltn go that far |
| 06:48.20 | Octane | :X |
| 06:48.21 | Octane | fun vmware |
| 06:49.28 | Kryczek | my xp went BSOD in vmware |
| 06:49.39 | Kryczek | at boot time... |
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| 07:01.02 | willix | what can I use to browse local network shares in kde? I have fileshareset configured corectly so my users can share files in their home directories |
| 07:01.18 | willix | lisa is also running but it does not display any information |
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| 07:03.41 | df00z | Hey |
| 07:03.47 | df00z | how does the KATE symbol viewer work? |
| 07:03.54 | df00z | Is there any documentation anywhere |
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| 07:14.24 | willix | I have followed all the lisa config examples and docs in the kde help center |
| 07:14.35 | willix | but still lisa is not working between my two computers |
| 07:14.46 | willix | there does not appear to be a section on debugging lisa |
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| 07:38.38 | marcusU | I think I'm going to run out of swap before k3b gets ready to write my DVD. :-( |
| 07:40.11 | physos | marcusU: huh? |
| 07:40.24 | physos | marcusU: k3b hardly uses any memory when writing DVDs here. |
| 07:40.40 | marcusU | mkisofs is using 540GB |
| 07:41.04 | physos | marcusU: Thats a lot of swap space. |
| 07:41.17 | physos | marcusU: Never had that here. |
| 07:41.23 | marcusU | That's the virtual size. According to 'top' I'm down to 0k swap free. |
| 07:41.39 | marcusU | Maybe it's because I picked "burn on the fly." |
| 07:41.46 | marcusU | (I don't have enough room to make an ISO image first.) |
| 07:42.28 | marcusU | Well, I tried to back up /home. :-( |
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| 07:47.34 | scrooge | w00t kdelibs worked with that patch! |
| 07:47.37 | scrooge | now for kdebase |
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| 07:48.39 | marcusU | I had "follow symlinks" selected before. There must have been something big with a symlink into my $HOME |
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| 07:50.58 | Q-collective | hey all |
| 07:51.16 | marcusU | Hi |
| 07:51.18 | Q-collective | were can I configure kdm to start xfce? |
| 07:51.59 | marcusU | Oh, you're serious. |
| 07:52.03 | Kryczek | Q-collective: on google there are howto's on that... that's how i did |
| 07:52.08 | scrooge | lmfao |
| 07:52.16 | scrooge | .desktop files |
| 07:52.55 | Kryczek | /usr/kde/3.4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop |
| 07:53.08 | Kryczek | /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/xfce.desktop |
| 07:53.11 | Kryczek | etc |
| 07:53.52 | Q-collective | hmm |
| 07:54.02 | Q-collective | can I do it user specifically? |
| 07:55.09 | slayerbob | doesn't kdm have a selection menu ? |
| 07:56.02 | scrooge | any plans for kdm? or is it gonna stay basically the same? |
| 07:56.10 | df00z | Mmm |
| 07:56.22 | df00z | kate's C/C++ symbol viewer would be AWESOME if it did code completion too |
| 07:56.29 | df00z | like hinting and stuff like Visual Basic 6 does |
| 07:56.44 | scrooge | heh |
| 07:56.47 | scrooge | thats uber |
| 07:58.08 | marcusU | Ew. I hate code completion. |
| 07:58.28 | marcusU | I couldn't turn off code completion in Kile fast enough. |
| 07:59.08 | scrooge | :| |
| 07:59.12 | scrooge | code completion pwnz |
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| 07:59.36 | marcusU | I'm like typing along, and then before I can notice it, Kile has put up a code completion option, and I've hit whatever key selects it, and boom, I have some crap in the middle of my sentence. |
| 07:59.43 | Q-collective | scrooge: to each his own :) |
| 08:00.07 | df00z | heheh |
| 08:00.12 | df00z | Lile? |
| 08:00.14 | df00z | Kile? |
| 08:00.18 | scrooge | :P |
| 08:00.22 | scrooge | latex? |
| 08:00.34 | scrooge | kde latex editor or sumtin is it? |
| 08:00.36 | df00z | oh heheh. |
| 08:00.42 | df00z | :( i want it for C/C++ :( |
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| 08:00.57 | marcusU | scrooge: Yes. |
| 08:01.02 | scrooge | :) |
| 08:02.10 | marcusU | Ugh. Burning the DVD didn't seem to work. Although the msgs are conflicting. |
| 08:02.31 | marcusU | mkisofs said it had an error, but k3b says "writing successfully finished." |
| 08:04.49 | scrooge | heh |
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| 08:12.02 | physos | marcusU: works fine here. |
| 08:12.16 | lauri | Alethes: you about? |
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| 08:12.52 | physos | heh lauri. |
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| 08:13.42 | askie | Morning. |
| 08:15.08 | lauri | don't take my name in vain, for I am sneaky, and log while idle :) |
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| 08:17.33 | brucehoult | oh no :-) |
| 08:20.24 | canllaith | gah. |
| 08:20.38 | canllaith | smit? |
| 08:22.03 | askie | smitten? |
| 08:22.15 | slayerbob | smited ? |
| 08:22.35 | slayerbob | hmmm |
| 08:22.44 | slayerbob | what is this deadly blow of which you speak ? |
| 08:23.05 | askie | smitten. |
| 08:23.29 | slayerbob | smote :) |
| 08:23.34 | lauri | she's smitten with me |
| 08:23.42 | brucehoult | lol |
| 08:23.43 | slayerbob | smitten is an entirely different word |
| 08:23.50 | lauri | it's a curse, being so all fired wonderful, but I somehow live with it |
| 08:23.58 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:24.00 | brucehoult | slayerbob: no it's not. |
| 08:24.10 | slayerbob | good point brucehoult :) |
| 08:24.29 | scrooge | smitedpixelsticks |
| 08:24.44 | askie | slayerbob: Here... have some coffee :) |
| 08:24.44 | scrooge | supercalifragilisticexpialodocious! |
| 08:24.45 | brucehoult | smite is literally to hit, and using it for love is a figurative use |
| 08:24.48 | brucehoult | but it's the same word |
| 08:24.55 | scrooge | antidisestablishmentarianism! |
| 08:24.58 | scrooge | erhm hi |
| 08:24.59 | lauri | coffee, yes, good |
| 08:25.16 | lauri | doyouallhavebrokenspacekeystoo? |
| 08:25.40 | askie | N o I h a v e n o t : ) |
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| 08:26.10 | Noldo | #define SPACE " " |
| 08:26.20 | scrooge | hey!! |
| 08:26.20 | brucehoult | scrooge: Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu |
| 08:26.23 | scrooge | thats a real word!! |
| 08:26.28 | scrooge | GAHHHHHH |
| 08:26.31 | physos | Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung |
| 08:26.32 | scrooge | x_x |
| 08:26.33 | delltony | question how do you change you refresh rate? I went to control panel but all i see is 60mhz if i'm not mistaken my monitor supports 85mhz |
| 08:26.34 | slayerbob | lol |
| 08:26.40 | slayerbob | looks more like a sentence |
| 08:26.44 | lauri | well, it's a whole story really :) |
| 08:26.48 | slayerbob | heh |
| 08:26.49 | canllaith | physos: that one is impressive:P |
| 08:26.56 | Noldo | suihkuturbiinimoottorilentokoneapumekaanikkoaliupseerioppilas |
| 08:26.59 | canllaith | delltony: you have to edit your x config file kde only reads the values from it. |
| 08:27.03 | physos | canllaith: almost all german letters in one word once. |
| 08:27.15 | delltony | the modeline one? |
| 08:27.16 | lauri | from memory, "the hill where taumata with the big (knees?) played bone flute to his beloved" |
| 08:27.24 | lauri | or something along those lines |
| 08:27.28 | delltony | in xorg.conf? |
| 08:27.31 | brucehoult | lauri: very very close |
| 08:27.39 | canllaith | delltony: yup |
| 08:27.52 | lauri | brucehoult: there is something about knees in there isn't there? |
| 08:27.56 | brucehoult | The hilltop where Tamatea with big knees, conqueror of mountains, eater of land, traveller over land and sea, played his koauau to his beloved. |
| 08:28.03 | lauri | or did Taumata have big ears |
| 08:28.05 | delltony | hmm you happen to know where i can find a good tutorial on that i looked on google but wasnt successful |
| 08:28.15 | delltony | i think i have the values right but not possitive |
| 08:28.30 | canllaith | *shrugs* consult the manual for your monitor? |
| 08:28.38 | lauri | see, I knew it had knees :) |
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| 08:28.46 | brucehoult | and it's a song too! |
| 08:28.50 | marcusU | delltony: What distro? |
| 08:28.56 | brucehoult | "the lone ranger" |
| 08:28.57 | delltony | ubuntu hoary |
| 08:29.13 | marcusU | No clue here then. |
| 08:29.24 | lauri | swedish has this fabulous word that means "hiccups" that I can't remember |
| 08:29.35 | delltony | its just the xorg.conf i'm not sure how to configure it but will try |
| 08:29.40 | lauri | but that finnish one up there is pretty darn impressive |
| 08:29.44 | brucehoult | http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Quantum-Jump/The-Lone-Ranger.html |
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| 08:30.25 | physos | place where Tamatea, the man with the big knees, who slid, climbed and swallowed mountains, known as land-eater, played his flute to his loved one |
| 08:30.31 | physos | according to the bbc |
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| 08:30.50 | lauri | yeah, but that's not as poetic as bruce's version |
| 08:30.51 | brucehoult | physos: it's really the name of a hill about 150 km from here! |
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| 08:31.03 | physos | Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch |
| 08:31.03 | brucehoult | you should see the road signs! |
| 08:31.12 | lauri | brucehoult: we have much shorter names up where I am from |
| 08:31.26 | brucehoult | where I'm from too ;-) |
| 08:31.30 | lauri | oh well, you know :) |
| 08:31.44 | brucehoult | Tanekaha |
| 08:31.50 | brucehoult | Riponui |
| 08:31.58 | brucehoult | Puhipuhi |
| 08:32.14 | physos | St Mary's church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the church of St Tysilio of the red cave'. |
| 08:32.58 | askie | physos: And can you pronounce it in 1 g? :) |
| 08:33.09 | askie | "go", that should be :) |
| 08:34.06 | lauri | I can get to the first r |
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| 08:34.28 | lauri | I can say the maori one though |
| 08:35.12 | slayerbob | yeah but maori words are easy to pronounce |
| 08:35.21 | lauri | hypronevrofysiskadiafragmakontravibrationer <-- technical swedish name for hiccups |
| 08:35.24 | slayerbob | they have a consistent pronunciation, unlike many languages :P |
| 08:35.43 | lauri | slayerbob: that's why I find swedish fairly easy to manage, it's got extremely regular pronunciation of vowels |
| 08:35.53 | slayerbob | :P |
| 08:35.58 | lauri | (but not always of consonants, but it's got actual rules that you can learn for those) |
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| 08:36.16 | lauri | swedish *grammar* on the other hand, not so much (I get the gender on things wrong all the time) |
| 08:36.21 | askie | Quite regular rules as well |
| 08:37.00 | lauri | but in typically swedish neutrality, they're both "neutral gender" and "the other neutral gender" so it's not so bad as my german when I call tables boys and they should be girls |
| 08:37.22 | askie | lauri: try Dutch for a change :) |
| 08:37.29 | Q-collective | :P |
| 08:37.35 | lauri | (courtesy of Matt who wants to play long words: |
| 08:38.05 | lauri | oh he has a nice military one too heh |
| 08:39.17 | lauri | nordöstersjökustartilleriflygspaningssimulatoranläggningsmaterielunderhållsuppföljningssystemdiskussionsinläggsförberedelsearbeten |
| 08:39.19 | PhilRod | morning all |
| 08:39.26 | slayerbob | hiya PhilRod |
| 08:39.29 | scrooge | :| |
| 08:39.31 | scrooge | hi? |
| 08:39.39 | askie | lauri: LOL :) |
| 08:39.42 | lauri | that's swedish doing what is usually germany's province and jamming entire sentences into a word |
| 08:40.04 | lauri | *mdouhan* thats a military term for preparation work regarding the baltic sea flight simulatorrs discussions groups |
| 08:40.13 | lauri | he's ex air force, he has a bunch of those |
| 08:40.42 | askie | Ah, you mean Baltischezeevluchtsimulatordiscussiegroepvoorbereidingswerkzaamheden? |
| 08:40.43 | Noldo | "s" is you friend with those |
| 08:41.35 | physos | tabels are boys ;) |
| 08:41.43 | askie | (quick-n-dirty translation to Dutch of your English translation) |
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| 08:43.41 | lauri | askie: exactly :) |
| 08:44.58 | lauri | if you can jam in the 'north east coast' bit the dutch could be nearly as long |
| 08:45.36 | askie | Hm, that'll be a problem :) |
| 08:46.02 | lauri | well, and baltic covers it :) |
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| 08:46.21 | askie | Yes... |
| 08:46.48 | askie | Just trying to fiddle in the material :) |
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| 08:48.12 | hayden | how do i get the kde wizard thing that asked what kind of window options u r used to e.g. windows, mac os etc |
| 08:48.23 | askie | lauri: Ah well. We always have our "gemeentereinigingsroltrommelhuisvuilophaalauto's" (actually used word!) |
| 08:49.10 | askie | hayden: KPersonalizer... |
| 08:49.16 | lauri | heh, that's scary :) |
| 08:51.34 | askie | hayden: K -> Settings -> Desktop Settings Wizard. |
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| 08:52.01 | lauri | ok, I have to go do some real work |
| 08:52.22 | lauri | *suck* as they say in swedish (it's the conveniently easy to remember word for sigh :) |
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| 08:52.44 | massctrl | 'lo it's possible kde-look is offline ? |
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| 08:54.46 | brosio | anyone have try ksayit ? |
| 08:56.33 | askie | massctrl: Looks like it (still) |
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| 09:05.30 | jcook | any word on when kde-look.org's coming back? |
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| 09:09.51 | ppareit | what program to use to edit docbook? |
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| 09:10.38 | chakie | emacs |
| 09:12.13 | ppareit | lol, emacs was the reason I started using linux, at least from emacs I could 'dired' the file system, I'm looking for a kde docbook editor... |
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| 09:16.46 | brucehoult | well, the doc people (e.g. canllaith, lauri, philrod) all use emacs with psgml mode |
| 09:17.24 | jcook | any word on when kde-look.org's coming back? |
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| 09:23.49 | lauri | (and kate + xml mode) |
| 09:25.48 | ppareit | ok, kate/kdevelop + xml works good enough, thanks |
| 09:28.02 | PhilRod | ppareit: are you writing KDE docs? |
| 09:31.11 | ppareit | PhilRod: whel, I try to write the docs for an application I'm working on |
| 09:32.17 | ppareit | PhilRod: I'm just changing the text from the kde template, I'm no doc writer or anything |
| 09:33.37 | PhilRod | ppareit: if you'd like any help, feel free to drop by #kde-docs or the kde-doc-english@kde.org mailing list |
| 09:33.57 | PhilRod | you might also find the doc primer useful - see http://i18n.kde.org/doc/doc-primer |
| 09:34.37 | canllaith | The kde docbook authors guide is just fantastic |
| 09:34.37 | ppareit | PhilRod: thanks, I'll do |
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| 09:36.58 | sycofly | whereis Renze |
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| 09:42.10 | Shaytan | hi, what is the name of the kde printer manager? |
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| 09:46.32 | sarah03 | Hm. Must be something he doesn't want to know too badly. |
| 09:47.16 | mustasj | :) |
| 09:47.18 | PhilRod | heh |
| 09:49.16 | brosio | anyone have try ksayit ? |
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| 10:12.30 | jack82 | Hi, I'm using KDE 3.3 in MEPIS3.3. I can't change the applications associated to an extension in Konqueror. I change the list, remove a program, move up another, then it says "Update conf...." but later everything hase been restore af before. Why? |
| 10:14.35 | lunitik | jack82: who knows... seems like a Mepis thing though... my KDE 3.4 obeys me 8) |
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| 10:15.51 | jack82 | lunitik: ok, It's all there, right? I do the right procedure, or have I to do something more to chenge the association? |
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| 10:16.25 | mad_moses | how can i start the kde controlcenter over shell? |
| 10:16.37 | lunitik | jack82: kcontrol > KDE Components > File Assosiations is where I config it... |
| 10:16.44 | doleyb | mad_moses: kcontrol |
| 10:17.05 | mad_moses | thx |
| 10:18.11 | jack82 | lunitik: well, me too. It desn't work! I ask in #mepis. Thnks! |
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| 10:21.59 | jcdenton | hi |
| 10:22.26 | lunitik | jcdenton: hi |
| 10:24.07 | jamesconf | did you complete your merger with helios. |
| 10:25.10 | doleyb | no, i think he caused a new dark age |
| 10:26.21 | jamesconf | I just merged with helios my self. |
| 10:27.00 | doleyb | you cant all merge with helios! |
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| 10:29.49 | dan2003 | is there a channel for quantap plus? |
| 10:31.02 | dan2003 | i'm stuck at the most silly thing, can't find a button for a dlaiog to make a simlpe link? does one exist? |
| 10:31.49 | doleyb | you mean quanta? |
| 10:32.10 | dan2003 | yeah |
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| 10:34.15 | MaXtOrS | hi can some one here help me to insatll debian and KDE |
| 10:34.37 | brosio | anyone have try KSayIt for kde3.4 ? |
| 10:35.11 | doleyb | MaXtOrS: you need to install debian before kde, so ask #debian. |
| 10:35.19 | MaXtOrS | ok |
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| 10:35.40 | doleyb | dan2003: for quanta, do you mean different from the menu: Tags, Other, Link? |
| 10:35.41 | lunitik | MaXtOrS: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/kubuntu/releases/hoary/preview/ |
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| 10:36.11 | dan2003 | doleyb, yeah i mean to simple create a text hyperlink |
| 10:36.20 | lunitik | MaXtOrS: will install Debian Sid (basically) and KDE 3.4 (basically) and Xorg 6.8.2 |
| 10:36.46 | MaXtOrS | what??? |
| 10:36.48 | MaXtOrS | explain |
| 10:36.53 | mschiff | Hi, I want to give kitchensync a try... but first I have to understand to UI and how kitchensync works... is there any documentation about it on the web? |
| 10:37.32 | lunitik | MaXtOrS: its not actually Debian Sid... more stable... there are customizations to KDE 3.4... and Debian lacks Xorg still... |
| 10:37.47 | doleyb | dan2003: select the text you want for the link, push the button that looks like an anchor, enter the URL in the "HREF" field. |
| 10:38.02 | lunitik | MaXtOrS: just click 'hoary-install-386' |
| 10:38.16 | lunitik | burn it to a disc, and reboot with it in the drive. |
| 10:38.41 | doleyb | and prepare to lose your hard disk contents, of course. |
| 10:38.57 | dan2003 | doleyb, ah ok cheers ill try that |
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| 10:39.27 | maney_ | hello |
| 10:40.09 | Ukseong | um.. I installed kdevelop on Gnome. |
| 10:40.09 | lunitik | doleyb: you'd hope he partitioned wisely and backed up data... :/ |
| 10:40.20 | lunitik | Ukseong: want a cookie? |
| 10:40.20 | Ukseong | but.. it can't make new project or new file |
| 10:41.05 | dan2003 | doleyb, thanks, thats wht i wanted! thought it should be that simple |
| 10:41.07 | Ukseong | lunitik, sorry I don't use English for my first language |
| 10:41.16 | lunitik | Ukseong: #kdevelop |
| 10:41.18 | Ukseong | I can't understand 'want a cookie' |
| 10:41.21 | Ukseong | yes |
| 10:41.25 | Ukseong | ah.. |
| 10:41.27 | Ukseong | thank you |
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| 10:50.43 | scrooge | NCURSES! |
| 10:50.49 | scrooge | kde-app is dead also! |
| 10:50.54 | scrooge | 2 hours nolw |
| 10:50.56 | scrooge | now^^ |
| 10:51.07 | scrooge | i wanted to tri kpager2 :( |
| 10:51.10 | scrooge | try^^ |
| 10:55.20 | thiago | scrooge: if it's not working now, it's been 10 hours |
| 10:55.39 | scrooge | 10 hours!?!? |
| 10:55.40 | scrooge | whoa |
| 10:55.51 | scrooge | rss said 4am...maybe yesterday at 4am? |
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| 10:56.06 | Enforcer_JB | Hi everybody |
| 10:56.12 | scrooge | march 29th, 2005 4am |
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| 10:56.29 | scrooge | weird |
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| 10:56.41 | thiago | it wasn't working last night |
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| 10:56.47 | scrooge | ok |
| 10:56.50 | thiago | maybe it came back, then went down again |
| 10:56.53 | scrooge | maybe the rss was still up? |
| 10:56.55 | scrooge | yea possibly |
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| 10:57.00 | scrooge | alotta entries say 4am |
| 10:57.06 | Enforcer_JB | I am running SuSE 9.2 and KDE 3.4.0 and since the last reboot, whenever I click on a URL in KMail/KNode/anywhere outside the browser, *both* Konqueror and Firefox start with this URL. I have checked file associations, they look OK (konq is first, Firefox second) ... any ideas? |
| 10:57.12 | scrooge | previous ones are more random |
| 10:57.38 | light_punch2 | is there a way to interchange ms.doc files with kwod files, so that the format is perserved? |
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| 10:58.25 | thiago | Enforcer_JB: check your KDE Component selection for which browser is default |
| 10:58.37 | thiago | light_punch2: you need a common denominator format, like RTF |
| 10:58.47 | Enforcer_JB | thiago, the app "based on the URL" is opened (first selection) |
| 10:58.57 | Enforcer_JB | thiago, in kcontrol |
| 10:59.21 | light_punch2 | thiago, save as RTF on both word processor will do then. |
| 11:00.08 | light_punch2 | my resume created on ms word didn't show up correctly, but i didn't use anything fancy. |
| 11:00.30 | CruX_ | how can I show gdb command line window in kgdb ? |
| 11:00.36 | light_punch2 | my header with phone numbers and email, became two lines, instead of one line |
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| 11:01.10 | Enforcer_JB | any other ideas? |
| 11:04.24 | Enforcer_JB | "kfmclient openURL ..." just opens Konqueror, while a click on a URL in eg. KMail opens both firefox and konq |
| 11:06.35 | light_punch2 | is there a kde too, that can do "identify file.jpg" for all the files in the directory? |
| 11:06.41 | light_punch2 | *kde tool |
| 11:07.29 | jamesconf | light_punch2: you could explain that again? |
| 11:07.48 | light_punch2 | like if the jpg is 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| 11:07.57 | thiago | light_punch2: Konqueror will do that |
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| 11:08.43 | light_punch2 | thiago, how? |
| 11:09.34 | thiago | light_punch2: open it in the directory and it will show all file types |
| 11:11.53 | light_punch2 | no, not that |
| 11:12.06 | Enforcer_JB | thiago, I just tested with a virgin newly created account. Both konq and firefox start. SO it's either not a config issue, or at least a *default* config issue. any further ideas? |
| 11:12.46 | light_punch2 | there are 20 jpg files, in the directory, i want to see the dimension of each pic. most of them are either 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| 11:13.15 | Enforcer_JB | light_punch2, try konq + "info list view" in the "View" menu |
| 11:13.27 | Enforcer_JB | light_punch2, it'll show additional info for the most common file types in each directory |
| 11:14.34 | light_punch2 | Enforcer_JB, ah... that's it!! |
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| 11:16.10 | SchopfeR | hello |
| 11:16.42 | light_punch2 | thx guys |
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| 11:16.47 | ralf | Ciao |
| 11:18.26 | thiago | Enforcer_JB: no idea, because I don't ever start Firefox here |
| 11:18.32 | thiago | except to check Konqueror bugs |
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| 11:27.07 | lunitik | !pinning |
| 11:27.12 | lunitik | ~pinning |
| 11:27.13 | apt | i guess pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read ... |
| 11:27.55 | lunitik | ~read what damnit |
| 11:28.17 | lunitik | ~lart apt |
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| 11:31.47 | SchopfeR | sorry for the flood |
| 11:32.51 | SchopfeR | can you access to kdelook and kde-apps ? |
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| 11:32.56 | SchopfeR | i have difficulties |
| 11:33.59 | thiago | they are down |
| 11:34.48 | SchopfeR | ok thanks |
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| 11:44.51 | Enforcer_JB | damjan, rdesktop 1.3.2 RPM from somewhere on the net |
| 11:44.55 | Enforcer_JB | damjan, works fine |
| 11:45.32 | Enforcer_JB | damjan, we ditched dual boot on all machines and only have *one* win2k server machine now, which hosts the remaining windows apps :) |
| 11:45.50 | Enforcer_JB | saves a bundle on client costs and admin trouble |
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| 11:50.19 | damjan | Enforcer_JB: I have rdesktop-1.4 and it doesn't cooperate with krdc |
| 11:51.09 | damjan | Enforcer_JB: it will not embed in the krdc window... and on the other hand krdc will wait for it forever |
| 11:51.26 | damjan | Enforcer_JB: maybe there's some patch for rdesktop I caould use?? |
| 11:54.49 | Enforcer_JB | no idea, sorry |
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| 12:06.10 | damjan | It seems that the patch to rdesktop was included in 1.4.0, but it still doesn't work ... :(( |
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| 12:19.50 | Crissi | hi |
| 12:19.59 | Crissi | whats wrong with kde-apps.org? |
| 12:20.19 | lauri | kde-look and kde-apps are both down |
| 12:20.35 | lauri | we don't know when they'll be back, they are third party sites |
| 12:21.12 | Crissi | right.. but who is the admin? |
| 12:22.17 | Cerulean | Crissi: Why does it matter? |
| 12:22.27 | Cerulean | I'm sure the admin is working himself to death trying to get the sites back up |
| 12:22.41 | Crissi | ah ok |
| 12:22.42 | Crissi | :) |
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| 12:36.08 | step | hola, is there a trick to turn of the multiple "To:" fields in KDE 3.4 kmail? like it was in previous version, where i can write To: e-mai11, e-mail2, e-mail3 etc |
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| 12:38.31 | _joey | How do I kill kde with X server? is there an option or do I have to use ps? |
| 12:38.37 | _joey | and kill |
| 12:39.05 | step | /etc/init.d/xdm stop ? |
| 12:39.19 | step | will this work for you? |
| 12:40.15 | _joey | it has |
| 12:40.16 | _joey | thanks |
| 12:40.46 | step | np |
| 12:40.52 | step | now you hel me :) |
| 12:41.08 | step | is there a trick to turn of the multiple "To:" fields in KDE 3.4 kmail? like it was in previous version, where i can write To: e-mai11, e-mail2, e-mail3 etc |
| 12:41.39 | _joey | I don't know much about kde |
| 12:41.44 | _joey | I use mutt |
| 12:41.58 | _joey | can I configure kdm instead of xdm?:) |
| 12:42.08 | step | yes |
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| 12:42.27 | _joey | is it nice? |
| 12:42.35 | _joey | look better than xdm? |
| 12:42.40 | step | mutt? no thanx, i can not to that |
| 12:43.23 | step | xdm wil call kdm see your /etc/rc.conf |
| 12:43.37 | step | DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm" |
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| 12:47.11 | step | do any of you use kmail? |
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| 12:47.47 | askie | step: Yes, and I'm anxiously waiting for an answer to your question :P |
| 12:47.53 | step | :) |
| 12:48.59 | step | sam here. i did note notice this before. now i had to do "reply to all" with 10 e-mails and this is maäddnesszzz :) |
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| 12:55.16 | askie | It makes removing a single address easier, but with reply-all it's a mess |
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| 13:14.04 | sredna | Hello |
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| 13:21.02 | canllaith | Heya sredna :) |
| 13:21.09 | sredna | Hi canllaith :) |
| 13:21.15 | sredna | Howa re you today? |
| 13:21.16 | canllaith | How are you? :) |
| 13:21.18 | canllaith | Great thank you |
| 13:21.19 | sredna | Lol |
| 13:21.25 | sredna | I'm fine |
| 13:21.31 | DexterF | I just noticed that upgrading to 3.4, finding it sucks, going back to 3.3.2 and restoring .kde from a previously made backup didn't save my korganizer data. they are gone. |
| 13:21.50 | canllaith | I am talking to the 4th mac user in the last month or so to tell me they think KDE 3.4 is very very nice. |
| 13:22.02 | sredna | I went and visited the school where I used to work, and got wellcomed whth big hugs by a lot of little friends :-9 |
| 13:22.30 | markey | you been a teacher? |
| 13:22.38 | sredna | DexterF: What is wrong with kde 3.4? |
| 13:22.48 | canllaith | oh how lovely :) I bet they miss you there. |
| 13:22.50 | sredna | markey: Pædagog |
| 13:23.15 | markey | same thing? |
| 13:23.25 | sredna | canllaith: Rikke suggesged that they could fire one of the other persons and get me back.. ;) |
| 13:23.38 | canllaith | hahaha |
| 13:23.48 | DexterF | sredna: it jeopardizes my taskbar settings for example, it overwrites my carefully picked font settings with defaults. i didn't get any further, annoyance triggered rollback to 3.3.2 at that point |
| 13:24.06 | DexterF | now that korganizer issue |
| 13:24.15 | sredna | markey: Well, I'm more teaching them to behave + use their bodies and suhe than actual math or spelling. So not quite. |
| 13:24.50 | sredna | DexterF: Just that I believe that kde 3.4 is definately worth the trouble for configuring |
| 13:24.53 | canllaith | No, it doesn't overwrite settings like that..... |
| 13:24.57 | canllaith | At least it did not for me. |
| 13:25.07 | sredna | Me neither, but I heard that before |
| 13:25.10 | canllaith | ok then |
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| 13:26.29 | sredna | DexterF: Korganizers default calendar file is in ~/.kde/share/apps/korganizer I think |
| 13:26.37 | DexterF | sredna: our opinions differ here obviously |
| 13:26.55 | sredna | DexterF: I don't know the name, since I selected a visible locations years ago |
| 13:28.01 | sredna | DexterF: Kde 3.4 is faster, richer and better than kde 3.3. A few configurations should not stand in your way. And I agree that the overwriting is very unfortunate. |
| 13:28.16 | sredna | DexterF: For reference, which OS are you using, and how did you install KDE? |
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| 13:31.49 | DexterF | slackware 10.1 |
| 13:31.58 | DexterF | installed contrib packages |
| 13:32.16 | DexterF | that process usually doesn't touch .kde |
| 13:32.20 | sredna | DexterF: Thank you. |
| 13:32.36 | DexterF | .kde is symlinked to .kde-3.3.2, I should mention |
| 13:32.37 | canllaith | It doesn't touch them at all... but using 3rd party packages is always at-your-own-risk |
| 13:32.55 | sredna | DexterF: I hope you backed it up, othrwise do so |
| 13:33.09 | sredna | DexterF: And did you try running kconf_update? |
| 13:33.09 | DexterF | canllaith: i doubt that to be the culprit in that particular case. |
| 13:33.22 | canllaith | I've heard otherwise elsewhere. |
| 13:33.23 | DexterF | I *always* backup .kde before doing anything with kde |
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| 13:35.02 | canllaith | I am looking at a mac mini to prolly send to my mother for Christmas or her birthday. |
| 13:35.19 | canllaith | The problem with buying a computer sans screen/keyboard/mouse of course is.... I can't quite find any that perfectly match the computer. |
| 13:35.23 | canllaith | :( |
| 13:35.39 | sredna | No kde for mum !? |
| 13:36.01 | canllaith | Only because she or my brothers would format and put on Windows for games |
| 13:36.04 | canllaith | PPC, they cannot do this. |
| 13:37.01 | canllaith | They spend 75% of the time offline because a virus ate their networking - so I will take them a mac when I go visit, set it up as the internet machine. They don't have a network per-se, just a crossover cable between dad's computer and the one I sent the boys for christmas so they can play warcraft against each other. |
| 13:37.23 | DexterF | sredna: kconf_update - no, that not. |
| 13:37.54 | DexterF | sredna: my korga says "can't write standard calendar". beyond me. |
| 13:38.30 | DexterF | std.ics is where it's meant to be, in .kde/share/apps/korganizer |
| 13:39.06 | sredna | DexterF: Well, I recommend you try that. And maybe copy your .kde3.3.2 to a kde 3.4, and symlink to that whem using 3.4, to avoid problems |
| 13:39.49 | sredna | DexterF: Is it writable by you? (sorry for the dum question, but it's the logical next one) |
| 13:39.57 | sredna | Hi sarah03 |
| 13:40.17 | sarah03 | 'ello :) |
| 13:40.52 | sredna | I have your javascript file visible here, I find it very interresting. The cursor handling is under suspicion for slowing editing down as the text grows longer. |
| 13:41.51 | sarah03 | That wouldn't suprise me terribly much. |
| 13:42.26 | DexterF | sredna: ofc |
| 13:42.38 | DexterF | could strace korganizer... |
| 13:42.45 | sarah03 | It works, mostly, at least as far as writing goes. It doesn't implement any methods for taking input HTML and manipulating it. |
| 13:43.03 | sarah03 | And the table support is only partially done. |
| 13:44.29 | sredna | DexterF: Look in the kde components->resources control panel, and check that that file is actually available as a resource in the new installation. If so, and the file and it's directory are writable, it have to work. |
| 13:45.14 | sredna | sarah03: There are a few issues with the cursor, and space/return keypresses, but nothing much |
| 13:45.42 | DexterF | sredna: aha! path was wrong! |
| 13:45.49 | sarah03 | sredna: I managed to get it to work in Gecko, with certain issues. Mostly that it drops all sorts of keystrokes. |
| 13:45.52 | sredna | sarah03: I found another one on webreference last night, but it doesn't work at all, neither in KHTML nor in firefox :o |
| 13:46.25 | sarah03 | [At least, Gecko on X11; apparently it works beautifully on Gecko/win32.] |
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| 13:47.46 | sredna | sarah03: It seems that KDE is capitalizing on CTRL and ALT keys too, but the rest seems to work apart from SPACE at the end of the text |
| 13:47.55 | sredna | Sorry |
| 13:48.07 | sredna | sarah03: It seems that KDE is capitalizing on CTRL X and ALT X keys too, but the rest seems to work apart from SPACE at the end of the text |
| 13:48.13 | DexterF | sredna: for reasons beyond me it resolved the symlink name. thought it would have used that instead of the real dirname. sounds like symlinking .kde is no good idea. still korganizer won't see my calendar data... any way to force a re-read? |
| 13:49.16 | sredna | DexterF: Gentoo uses symlinks too, afaik, and it seems to work on gentoo. So the problems could be on a deeper level |
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| 13:50.05 | DexterF | sredna: kconf_update safe to use? |
| 13:50.12 | sredna | DexterF: If it can't read the calendar, there could be other problems as well. Maybe copy ~/.kde to something ~/.kde3.4 and set KDEHOME to $HOME/.kde3.4 in the startup script? |
| 13:50.26 | sredna | DexterF: Yes, I never experience dany problems |
| 13:51.02 | sredna | Coffee time |
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| 13:53.19 | step | askie; any news? |
| 13:53.49 | phxguy | Anybody knows what is going on with kde-look.org??? Site has been down since yesterday |
| 13:54.07 | askie | step: No... Been busy with other things as well |
| 13:54.21 | step | there is another bad new "feature" in kmail. any text that i try to paste to e.mail call out "name of attachment" window. damn ... damn |
| 13:54.31 | step | calls |
| 13:54.44 | askie | Hm, didn't see that yet. |
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| 13:55.14 | step | damn.. i have to work not horse around with this BS features... looks like i have to go back to KDE 3.3 |
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| 14:04.48 | Dave321 | I use and log KDE, however, when editing files on an sftp server, I need to use the SFTP login all the time! With my kdewallet open, is there a way to "Auto-Login" every time? |
| 14:05.01 | Dave321 | *love |
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| 14:05.28 | StarScreem | Dave321: yeh make a password less key and use that |
| 14:05.49 | StarScreem | i.e public/private key |
| 14:05.49 | Dave321 | StarScreen: I don't understand, can you help me |
| 14:05.59 | step | ok, i see what is the reason for this. if i copy cells (text/numbers) from OO i get this damn add attachment dialog. i have to paste it first to kwrite and then to e-mail. my good! what have they done to KDE |
| 14:06.10 | StarScreem | Dave321: i'm a bit busy atm, but i'll find some how-to's for you that are pretty straight forward |
| 14:06.16 | physos | step: I get a little window asking "As Text" and "As window" I select text it pastes. |
| 14:06.22 | Dave321 | StarScreen: Thank you |
| 14:06.40 | StarScreem | http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rickfrm/help/passwordless_ssh.html |
| 14:06.40 | physos | step: when pasting from OOo |
| 14:06.56 | StarScreem | http://mah.everybody.org/docs/ssh |
| 14:07.51 | step | is there a GLOBAL option that disables copy paste (default) with rich format? so if i copy paste the default is NEVER with all the format crap? |
| 14:08.04 | step | is just text |
| 14:08.49 | step | 1 out of 10000 copy pastes i like to use the "with all the format crap" feature :) |
| 14:09.19 | step | physos; did you have to activate some special setting for this? |
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| 14:10.42 | step | physos; if i do Edit - paste as quotation its OK, but thats not really what i need |
| 14:10.51 | s3m10s | is it qt, arts, libs, base? |
| 14:11.17 | sarah03 | s3m10s: I believe so; that's how I ususally go about doing it. |
| 14:11.34 | s3m10s | tnks. I had a botched up qt install and have to fix it |
| 14:11.48 | s3m10s | is kde-apps down? |
| 14:12.04 | markey | nod |
| 14:12.21 | sarah03 | I think so. I've heard about it being down all morning. |
| 14:12.32 | s3m10s | o.k. |
| 14:12.38 | phxguy | s3m10s, i believe so... so is kde-look.org and gnome-look.org |
| 14:13.14 | s3m10s | great. |
| 14:13.38 | s3m10s | why could appletproxy load applets but not directly from the panel? |
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| 14:23.13 | yannux | yop tlm |
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| 14:29.19 | Mully | hi, does anyone know how to change the font color in kweather? |
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| 14:38.23 | ppareit | any word on kde-apps? |
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| 14:43.58 | octan | hmm konsruct is a nice tool,, but it shoud be rewritten to continue downloading the next sources while compiling another |
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| 14:48.01 | s3m10s | does libungif conflict with qt? |
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| 14:50.54 | PhilRod | octan: you have the source - make it so! |
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| 14:52.45 | s3m10s | anyone have trouble with libgif or libungif? |
| 14:53.25 | sredna | s3m10s: What sort of problems? |
| 14:54.10 | s3m10s | ok, I had to recompile qt, and before doing so, i installed libungif4-devel. now karmack, which is gif based, will not load |
| 14:59.01 | sredna | s3m10s: Maybe you forgot to buid gif support into qt? |
| 14:59.36 | s3m10s | well, other things do show gifs, but its not like I'm a develop and know how all that stuff works. is there an easy way to chekc on gif support? |
| 14:59.49 | s3m10s | isn't there a configuration status log? |
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| 15:03.01 | sredna | s3m10s: If other kde/qt apps shows gifs, the support should be ok |
| 15:03.24 | sredna | s3m10s: Maybe recompiling that app would do the trick then |
| 15:03.39 | s3m10s | how do I enable it with qt? |
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| 15:04.01 | s3m10s | rtm? |
| 15:04.11 | sredna | s3m10s: That is a switch to configure. Try './configure --help' in the qt source directory |
| 15:04.42 | s3m10s | its -qt-fig |
| 15:04.59 | s3m10s | -qt-gif |
| 15:05.30 | s3m10s | sure makes you appreciate konstruct |
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| 15:06.12 | sredna | :) |
| 15:07.27 | s3m10s | of course, konstruct, with a bad mem module, helped me botch the last qt install! |
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| 15:10.10 | s3m10s | sredna: thanks. bye |
| 15:10.17 | sredna | Good luck |
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| 15:10.50 | gde_ | hi ... is it possible to get konqueror browsing my windows network ? |
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| 15:12.03 | Dubhghaill | gde_: try going to smb:/ |
| 15:15.37 | gde_ | Dubhghaill: Protocol not supported: smb |
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| 15:20.48 | lunitik | gde_: you have libsmbclient installed? |
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| 15:22.44 | gde_ | lunitik: yeah |
| 15:23.04 | lunitik | gde_: hmm... should work then... works otb on most distro's... |
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| 15:23.52 | gde_ | lunitik: strange ... maybe i have to use some USE flag in my gentoo ... |
| 15:24.13 | lunitik | gde_: gah... no idea about Gentoo... waste of CPU cycles :/ |
| 15:24.22 | annma | lol |
| 15:24.37 | sredna | Hi annma |
| 15:24.48 | annma | hi! |
| 15:25.00 | sredna | That will allways lure you forwards :p |
| 15:25.08 | sredna | How are you doing? |
| 15:25.11 | gde_ | lunitik: :) |
| 15:25.12 | annma | lol |
| 15:25.19 | annma | I'm fine, thanks |
| 15:25.45 | sredna | Me too, I got to see my brothers and sister :-) |
| 15:26.04 | octan | PhilRod i dont need to dl kde more that once.. and i dont have the time to do that.,. i got my own prosject going on! |
| 15:26.20 | lunitik | Stupid Americans fuck up everything :( |
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| 15:26.36 | sredna | ? |
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| 15:27.13 | lunitik | sredna: instead of Chocolate eggs... Americans send their kids on a goose chase to find plastic eggs around the house/garden... |
| 15:27.20 | cheeser | am i remembering correctly that arts was deprecated? |
| 15:27.29 | lunitik | bah... candy or waste of time... tough choice for a kid |
| 15:27.35 | Dubhghaill | gde_: there is a samba use flag in gentoo so you might have to have that turned on |
| 15:27.36 | octan | lunitik lol that sound stupid |
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| 15:27.44 | lunitik | cheeser: not yet... and probably won't be for a while... |
| 15:27.47 | sredna | lunitik: Well, america sounds like a wacko place... |
| 15:27.49 | cheeser | lunitik: they're not all plastic... |
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| 15:27.55 | lunitik | cheeser: gstreamer supports arts for instance... |
| 15:28.02 | sarah03 | sredna: Yes, it is. |
| 15:28.06 | cheeser | i hunted real eggs growing, for example. |
| 15:28.16 | cheeser | i'm getting no sound from kde trying to use alsa. |
| 15:28.25 | lunitik | cheeser: use arts |
| 15:28.28 | cheeser | all the channels are unmuted and at 100% |
| 15:28.30 | cheeser | hrm. |
| 15:28.38 | reagleBRKLN | does this crash anyone elses' konqi? http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/bts/video/ |
| 15:28.39 | octan | cheeser in concole have you done alsaconf |
| 15:28.45 | lunitik | cheeser: and what distro? |
| 15:28.52 | cheeser | gentoo |
| 15:28.57 | cheeser | octan: yeah |
| 15:28.58 | sredna | '12 sångar på amerikanska' or stlt |
| 15:29.10 | cheeser | it finds my card correctly |
| 15:29.19 | lunitik | octan: haha... every distro I have used for a year has depricated alsaconf.... |
| 15:29.21 | cheeser | and using some of the arts tools, i can see that it's pumping out data |
| 15:29.28 | cheeser | but nothing from the speakers. |
| 15:29.29 | lunitik | reagleBRKLN: konqi loads that fine here... |
| 15:29.38 | reagleBRKLN | hrmm.. |
| 15:29.43 | lauri | sredna: you need to go lie down? |
| 15:30.02 | sredna | lauri: Because I'm old enough to know that? |
| 15:30.07 | octan | cheeser also check alsamixer.. |
| 15:30.16 | cheeser | octan: yeah. they're all unmuted and at 100% |
| 15:30.36 | lunitik | cheeser: just out of curiosity... what distro? |
| 15:30.41 | octan | check that you dont have ic 89 something on |
| 15:30.43 | sredna | Loads just fine, reagleBRKLN |
| 15:30.45 | lauri | sredna: well, at least if you get it on p2p, you don't have to look at the cover |
| 15:31.01 | reagleBRKLN | sredna... ok, must be a plugin or something... |
| 15:31.05 | lauri | lunitik: please, do keep it to yourself |
| 15:31.11 | sredna | lauri: Maybe amaroK can download it, if I install that :o |
| 15:31.17 | cheeser | lunitik: gentoo |
| 15:31.25 | lauri | hahaha |
| 15:31.29 | lunitik | cheeser: hahahha... thats like #1 |
| 15:31.51 | lauri | oh man, those lyrics are awful |
| 15:31.56 | cheeser | i had it working once using kernel modules but apparently using the external alsa crap is the preferred route. |
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| 15:31.59 | lunitik | grrr |
| 15:32.09 | cheeser | i'm tempted to scrap it all and go back to using the kernel drivers. |
| 15:32.13 | lunitik | Spending a week configuring your box doesn't make you l33t |
| 15:32.34 | cheeser | lunitik: everything works great but for sound and that only because i'm trying to switch it up. |
| 15:32.37 | lauri | lunitik: when I said 'keep it to yourself', I meant it |
| 15:32.38 | cheeser | gentoo is very easy to set up. |
| 15:32.41 | sredna | lauri: You are not a native scandinavian, right? I guess you need to be to fully appreciate the irony |
| 15:33.03 | lauri | ragging constantly on gentoo, is just as tiresome as the gentoo fanboys in here evangelising it |
| 15:33.23 | lunitik | lauri: bah... you're no fun... KDE is distro agnostic... should expect the odd debate now and then :) |
| 15:33.36 | octan | cheeser do you got sound with oss? |
| 15:33.43 | lauri | lunitik: not in here |
| 15:33.45 | lunitik | lauri: at the end of the day... everyone agrees that KDE is great... |
| 15:33.51 | lauri | go fight it out in #distro-wars |
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| 15:34.02 | cheeser | octan: no. when I try to change the hardware settings in the control panel, i get an error actually |
| 15:34.11 | octan | ouch |
| 15:34.15 | cheeser | flamewars in general suck |
| 15:34.19 | lunitik | lauri: or wait till you find something better to do then keep the channel quiet... |
| 15:34.29 | lauri | and you know what? I got told off by lilo the other day for *not* shutting down these kinds of conversations enough, since arguments over religion is in fact, disallowed in the freenode channel guidelines |
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| 15:36.11 | lunitik | lauri: if it takes over the channel... fine... especially religion and politics... or anything that turns personal in any way... or if you're not trying to gain something from the discussion... |
| 15:36.15 | cheeser | lauri: yeah. i keep my channels on a short leash |
| 15:37.07 | sredna | Gtg, cu all later :) |
| 15:37.08 | lunitik | lauri: fyi, I am actually considering trying Gentoo again due to getting hardware that might make Gentoo worthwhile... |
| 15:37.35 | lunitik | lauri: noting issues others have... by making them defend such things, you learn more I find.. |
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| 15:40.11 | ncterval | Hello, I'm having a problem with KDM on Debian with KDE 3.3. After I enter my password to log on, it displays a small console in the upper left hand corner of the screen (still in X) rather than starting KDE. |
| 15:40.39 | lunitik | ncterval: choose session kde, and try again |
| 15:40.55 | lunitik | ncterval: sounds like its picking TWM for you... |
| 15:41.20 | ncterval | I did choose KDE, I also tried choosing Enlightenment. |
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| 15:42.01 | lunitik | ncterval: heh... ok... remove everything not in 'x-window-system-core'... you don't need any of that stuff... |
| 15:42.39 | ncterval | I don't understand, is that a config file in /etc/X11? |
| 15:42.44 | lunitik | ncterval: pretty sure this would be better answered in #debian though... |
| 15:42.54 | lunitik | ncterval: no |
| 15:43.07 | lunitik | ncterval: its a meta package... yeah... go to #debian |
| 15:43.14 | ncterval | Alright, thanks for the help. |
| 15:43.58 | lunitik | ncterval: if you're new to Debian though... you should just use Kubuntu... has Xorg and KDE 3.4 :/ |
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| 15:44.59 | ncterval | I'm not new to Debian, just new to KDM :) Those two packages would be nice, but not enough to reformat for. |
| 15:45.03 | lunitik | ncterval: Branden... the X maintainer in Debian, is too busy with the political side of Debian to take care of X these days :/ |
| 15:45.18 | octan | err it's taking forever to compile k.3.4 :-/ |
| 15:45.48 | sarah03 | octan: Yeah, that tends to be the case. It's big and g++ is slow. |
| 15:45.49 | lunitik | octan: umm... you expected ~300 mb's of code to compile fast? |
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| 15:46.20 | octan | lunitik yea is i had got that freaking distcc to work |
| 15:46.24 | octan | *9if |
| 15:46.48 | lunitik | octan: even then... fastest I have seen is like 4 hours... |
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| 15:47.12 | octan | it only used distcc on the fist source then jumped back to gcc |
| 15:47.22 | octan | :/ that suxed |
| 15:48.07 | lunitik | octan: even slack has kde 3.4... why in the world would you compile it yourself? |
| 15:48.50 | octan | besause i dont want it ony my slack.. i want it on my md.. i only use tty in slack |
| 15:49.30 | octan | heh ,, better,, thats not always the case |
| 15:50.39 | sarah03 | lunitik: Find me some packages of KDE CVS HEAD that I can install anywhere and then we can talk. :D |
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| 15:51.03 | cheeser | 8^)= |
| 15:51.08 | sarah03 | lol |
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| 15:52.17 | sarah03 | [Well, ../../kdelibs/configure, really. But close enough.] |
| 15:53.45 | lauri | lunitik: if you're trying to piss me off, it's failing |
| 15:53.55 | lauri | you are doing quite well at boring me into shutting you up though |
| 15:54.09 | cheeser | 8^)= |
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| 15:55.16 | lunitik | lauri: you ever estimate your importance... I just made a comment :/ |
| 15:55.41 | lunitik | s/ever/over/ |
| 15:55.51 | lauri | it's one word, too, HTH |
| 15:56.12 | cheeser | hehe |
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| 15:56.59 | lunitik | lauri: thank you for the english lesson... |
| 15:57.15 | lunitik | Guess thats why I'm not majoring in English :/ |
| 15:58.28 | cheeser | what? you mean you want a degree-related job when you graduate? |
| 15:58.31 | cheeser | sheesh |
| 15:58.52 | cheeser | langenberg sounds like a beer |
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| 16:21.17 | SchopfeR | :) |
| 16:25.42 | zeano | is it possible to stop archives (tar's and zip's etc..) being lised in the file tree with the new konqueror 3.4? |
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| 16:27.03 | askie | zeano: There is supposed to be a trick, only forgot where I wrote it down :( |
| 16:27.53 | zeano | use kfind? ;) |
| 16:28.20 | askie | Will that find paper scraps? :) |
| 16:29.17 | zeano | hehe, no.. be nice if there was a program that could tho, i'm always loosing my notes |
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| 16:30.26 | askie | Found it :) |
| 16:30.36 | askie | Gotta love irclogs... |
| 16:30.39 | basse | does kmail's "compacting" actually work? I just opened my mailboxes in pine, and now all my yesterdays spam is again there! |
| 16:31.10 | askie | zeano: The trick is to remove the last three lines from $KDEDIR/share/mimelnk/application/x-zip.desktop |
| 16:31.14 | askie | zeano: HOWEVER... |
| 16:31.27 | askie | zeano: that might have some side effects. |
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| 16:32.33 | askie | (If you have the file, at first.) |
| 16:33.25 | zeano | askie, thank you very much, i'll try that now :) |
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| 16:37.25 | timing_ | how easy, or how NOT easy is it to run kde on macOSX? |
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| 16:40.40 | kiwnix | is kde-look.org down? |
| 16:40.48 | lunitik | timing_: relatively... although not entirely intelligent... |
| 16:40.52 | lunitik | kiwnix: yes |
| 16:41.05 | kiwnix | any estimated time to be up? |
| 16:41.15 | lunitik | timing_: things such as Kontact and Konqueror run natively... |
| 16:41.33 | lunitik | kiwnix: "When they get off there butt and fix the issue"? |
| 16:41.51 | timing_ | lunitik: well i only want to run amarok, but when you compile amarok yourself it's buggy i read on the forum so i guess running it in kde would be better |
| 16:41.55 | kiwnix | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:42.19 | timing_ | lunitik: it's like a kde fink package or so? or do i hve to do evil tricks |
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| 16:43.12 | lunitik | timing_: you can use Fink if you want :/ |
| 16:43.16 | lunitik | I think they have it... |
| 16:43.38 | lunitik | It runs natively though, search google... I see a lot of things about people trying it... |
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| 17:02.43 | kuckuck | hi |
| 17:02.52 | lunitik | kuckuck: hi |
| 17:02.59 | lunitik | ~hi kuckuck |
| 17:03.01 | apt | Many greetings, kuckuck, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 17:03.09 | kuckuck | we'r just building a theme for our company which completle migrates to linux :) |
| 17:03.37 | aseigo | kuckuck: cool.. how many desktops? |
| 17:03.49 | kuckuck | we found nealry everything, just this damn sideimage in the menu is nowhere... |
| 17:04.01 | aseigo | kuckuck: sure it is.. want to know where? =) |
| 17:04.09 | kuckuck | 5 Desktops :), we'r developing software... since 1998 |
| 17:04.15 | kuckuck | aseigo: where is it? |
| 17:04.26 | lunitik | aseigo: if you say "at the side of the menu" I get to hurt you, k? :P |
| 17:04.39 | kuckuck | but we already have 5 customers which also likes to migrate to linux... |
| 17:05.02 | kuckuck | ok it's the menu of the kdepanel and it has a image on the left side |
| 17:05.02 | aseigo | kside.png is the main part of it (with the words) |
| 17:05.11 | aseigo | then there is kside_tile.png which is used to fill the rest of it |
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| 17:05.45 | aseigo | in 3.4 you can set these to any file names you want by setting SidePixmapName and SideTileName in the [KMenu] section of the kickerrc |
| 17:06.08 | aseigo | and of course, those are found in share/apps/kicker/pics/ |
| 17:06.17 | kuckuck | great... |
| 17:06.21 | kuckuck | thank you! |
| 17:06.23 | aseigo | np |
| 17:06.57 | lunitik | aseigo: just out of curiosity... where you work? you are fairly prominent... trying to figure out for hires most KDE devels :) |
| 17:07.07 | lunitik | Trolltech seems to be winning so far... |
| 17:07.10 | aseigo | lunitik: i'm an indie |
| 17:07.24 | aseigo | lunitik: kde is my spare time work in between contract work |
| 17:07.54 | lunitik | aseigo: ahh... thats cool... great work with kde3.4 though :) |
| 17:08.04 | aseigo | =) |
| 17:08.04 | lunitik | So many small things that just make me smile :) |
| 17:08.24 | lunitik | Most notably right now... Application bar actually being a panel :P |
| 17:08.26 | aseigo | yeah, i'm pretty happy with 3.4... still lots of improvements to be made, but it's going in the right direction |
| 17:08.44 | lunitik | heh... it was always soo ugly when I used it in the passed... not sure if thats new in KDE 3.4 though? |
| 17:09.54 | lunitik | aseigo: not sure how much is distro specific... but it seems to be cleaning up, while not making things difficult to find still... fast... and more eyecandy... once the new kcontrol gets in, I think it will fullfil everything I want :) |
| 17:10.12 | aseigo | there was a menubar applet in previous releases, but now it's automatically managed for you so you don't have to set it up manually and there were several geometry management issues fixed with regards to it |
| 17:10.32 | lunitik | well... cept for pr0n support otb... but can't be expected :( |
| 17:10.34 | aseigo | it felt like the Right Way To Go(tm) though, even if it did take some time to get it that way |
| 17:10.38 | aseigo | lol |
| 17:10.45 | cheeser | aseigo: any idea why i wouldn't be getting any sound in KDE with alsa modules compiled for the kernel? |
| 17:11.33 | aseigo | cheeser: because your aRts wasn't built against it? *shrug* |
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| 17:12.21 | cheeser | i'll rebuild arts i guess. |
| 17:12.22 | aseigo | sarah03: having fun? ;) |
| 17:12.25 | cheeser | this is frustrating... |
| 17:12.41 | lunitik | cheeser: welcome to Gentoo |
| 17:12.44 | aseigo | haha.. yep |
| 17:12.49 | sarah03 | aseigo: Oh yeah. Dialup sucks. |
| 17:13.12 | cheeser | lunitik: i've been using gentoo for years. so you can keep your jabs to yourself. |
| 17:13.40 | lunitik | cheeser: using for years... but can't get sound to work? ... must be how much you learn while using Gentoo then? |
| 17:13.47 | lunitik | Damnit... I said I was shutting up |
| 17:14.06 | cheeser | lunitik: as i've said. it used to work. i'm trying to migrate to alsa-driver instead of using kernel modules. |
| 17:14.10 | cheeser | but it's just not worth it. |
| 17:14.16 | cheeser | so i'm reverting back |
| 17:14.28 | _Dubhghaill | aseigo: are you happy with the current default background image on kicker? have thought about getting in touch with the kde look folks to have a contest to find another? |
| 17:15.02 | aseigo | _Dubhghaill: that would be great for 3.5 yes... for 4.0 the theming system is changing radically (finally! =) |
| 17:15.30 | _Dubhghaill | aseigo: oooh, thats exciting news |
| 17:15.40 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: looks pretty enough, without being distracting... would kind of like it if it could blend to desktop though... |
| 17:16.25 | lunitik | especially the OS X application bar... cuz you can't auto-hide it :( |
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| 17:17.21 | _Dubhghaill | lunitik: i thought the current looked well with keremik but it doesn't look great with plastik, but either way there seems to be a lot of talented artists in the kde-look community and I suspect they could come up with something cool |
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| 17:18.12 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: true enough :) |
| 17:19.26 | aseigo | lunitik: OS X application bar? which? |
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| 17:19.41 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: what about it doesn't seem to fit in with plastik though? seems to match the main color of Plastik already... wouldn't look good with the blue too imo... maybe though, haven't tried it.. |
| 17:20.51 | lunitik | aseigo: kcontrol... Desktop > Behavior ... "Current application's menu bar (Mac OS X style)" |
| 17:21.19 | aseigo | lunitik: ah.. that... well... technically you can |
| 17:21.27 | aseigo | lunitik: you have to hand edit the config file for it though =P |
| 17:21.32 | lunitik | aseigo: auto-hide it? I haven't found a way? |
| 17:22.00 | lunitik | aseigo: ahhh... never got that familier with KDE config files... mainly because so much can be done from the GUI... heh |
| 17:22.39 | _Dubhghaill | lunitik: for me its the gradient, i feel it doesn't look as nice with plastik as your style (slighty too metallic looking maybe), just my personal opinion of course |
| 17:22.40 | lunitik | Unlike GNOME... heh... found out rather quickly how to completely get rid of there menu items... that was a pain :( |
| 17:22.43 | aseigo | in 3.4 it's kicker_menubarpanelrc |
| 17:23.01 | lunitik | s/there/their/ |
| 17:23.14 | aseigo | and that isn't configurable from the GUI because it's really easy to muck up the menubar, which is a bit too important IMHO |
| 17:24.15 | lunitik | Left due to reasons related to hype after 3.1 :( |
| 17:24.29 | illogic-al | hype? |
| 17:24.40 | _Dubhghaill | lunitik: i thought you could edit in using their file manager |
| 17:25.18 | lunitik | illogic-al: Red Hat, Novell, IBM, Sun... everyone is promoting GNOME... Real, Nero, Adobe... all using GTK... |
| 17:25.32 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: not in 2.10 ... applications:// is gone :/ |
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| 17:25.51 | _Dubhghaill | :-( |
| 17:26.07 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: yeah... kinda retarded... and rather annoying after a while... |
| 17:26.15 | illogic-al | lunitik: ah |
| 17:26.23 | lunitik | _Dubhghaill: especially when gamin decides to play with you :( |
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| 17:29.34 | aseigo | lol |
| 17:29.36 | aseigo | everyone. |
| 17:29.56 | lauri | god you're so full of crap |
| 17:30.04 | lauri | hey aseigo :) |
| 17:30.09 | lunitik | lauri: go try 2.10... |
| 17:30.10 | aseigo | lauri: hey hey =) |
| 17:30.35 | aseigo | lunitik: i understand how one can arrive at the idea that "everyone is promoting GNOME", but it's complete and utter rubbish |
| 17:30.58 | aseigo | lunitik: GNOME has been doing a really good job of lie^Hmarketing their supposed importance in the marketplace. |
| 17:31.12 | lunitik | aseigo: I listed the major commericial backers of Open Source... all are promoting GNOME for business use certainly... |
| 17:31.30 | illogic-al | lol |
| 17:31.38 | aseigo | really. so Novell is pushing GNOME and not KDE. which is why NLD allows you to choose between the two? |
| 17:31.38 | ppareit | kopete (3.4) is crashing on me, each time I close a chat window, known problem? |
| 17:31.53 | aseigo | and why Sun is so amazingly relevant on the desktop, ever? |
| 17:32.10 | aseigo | and why IBM's red book communication on open source desktop spent more time discussing KDE as a solution than GNOME? |
| 17:32.10 | lunitik | aseigo: indeed... shame... even worse is that people (including myself) brought into it... telling myself "I'll learn to do it this way..."... |
| 17:32.14 | aseigo | etc, etc, etc |
| 17:32.18 | lauri | and adobe writes software in Qt too |
| 17:32.29 | aseigo | yes, adobe and opera and a few thousand others |
| 17:32.34 | lauri | and nero picking gtk *1*, definitely a big boost there |
| 17:32.41 | aseigo | nero is irrelevant. |
| 17:32.48 | aseigo | even if they picked Gtk2 |
| 17:32.54 | lunitik | aseigo: eh... they are a billion dollar company... and are pushing JDS... one of the largest GNOME imlementations happened via Sun... |
| 17:33.19 | lunitik | lauri: yes... but not for Linux... afaik atleast... |
| 17:33.22 | aseigo | lunitik: how relevant is Sun in the desktop market? and how long has Sun attempted to be relevant in the desktop market? |
| 17:33.41 | aseigo | lunitik: Sun *Microsystems* has tried and failed more than once in this sector. |
| 17:33.45 | SteamedPenguin | WhoTF uses JDS seriously anyway? |
| 17:33.53 | aseigo | SteamedPenguin: there are some, to be certain.. |
| 17:33.55 | aseigo | but not many |
| 17:34.00 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: exactly |
| 17:34.05 | lunitik | aseigo: I understand your point... and agree... but they are pushing GNOME... |
| 17:34.13 | aseigo | lunitik: sure. and they'll fail =) |
| 17:34.16 | illogic-al | ---out the door |
| 17:34.23 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: maybe there is a lesson there |
| 17:34.25 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: Some company in Japan implemented 10,000 GNOME desktops... |
| 17:34.35 | aseigo | lunitik: i think people like Ubuntu have a far bigger chance of ever getting out the door in a sustainable fashion with GNOME than Sun does |
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| 17:34.44 | SteamedPenguin | they push GNOME because GNOMErs allow themselves to be pushed |
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| 17:34.59 | aseigo | lunitik: hell, Novell has a better chance at it |
| 17:35.00 | darix | is it possible to disable the tray icon for kwallet? |
| 17:35.17 | SteamedPenguin | and GNOME needs pushing perhaps because without the hype it would just be a wannabe DE that's hard to maintain, compile, and configure |
| 17:35.18 | illogic-al | lunitik: what does it matter if companies are pushing gnome or not. you do have a mind of your own and are able to choose for yourself are you not? |
| 17:35.27 | aseigo | lunitik: so it's kind of like saying that because I prefer KDE, KDE will win. unfortunately for me, i don't really matter much in that particular scheme of things. ditto for Sun |
| 17:35.40 | lunitik | darix: yes... in wallet manager... "Security and Privacy" in KControl... |
| 17:35.46 | illogic-al | i'd think that just because companies are pushing one thing or another would be irrelevant to your decisions |
| 17:35.48 | darix | let me check |
| 17:35.58 | aseigo | darix: and in 3.4 you can even turn on the systray icon hiding for it |
| 17:36.06 | aseigo | darix: so that it's easy to show and hide, if you like that sort of thing =) |
| 17:36.10 | darix | aseigo: i run in ion3 |
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| 17:36.24 | darix | each tray icon becomes a new window. |
| 17:36.30 | darix | that sucks :) |
| 17:36.31 | aseigo | aaah.. i see... |
| 17:36.37 | illogic-al | ack |
| 17:36.39 | lauri | darix: then, you don't get the shiny happy hiding (or the shiny happy systray either for that matter) |
| 17:36.43 | aseigo | yeah, systray icons without a systray are crappy =P |
| 17:36.47 | lauri | you'll need kdeutils installed for the control panel to deal with it |
| 17:36.49 | lunitik | darix: I think the bin is 'kwallletmanager'...\ |
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| 17:37.04 | darix | ok |
| 17:37.07 | darix | disabled the icon |
| 17:37.09 | lunitik | aseigo: makes sense :P |
| 17:37.10 | darix | lets see |
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| 17:37.13 | aseigo | yep.. kwalletmanager .. and it's in kdeutils. =) |
| 17:37.39 | slayerbob | :P |
| 17:38.34 | illogic-al | kwallet being required to have a password made it a pain. |
| 17:38.38 | darix | another question: for gnome it is enough to start gnome-settings-daemon and gconf for getting most settings and speed ups for the other applications. is there something similar for kde to start the minimal kde core so i can avoid the "kbuildsoca" and stuff on start of each kde app? |
| 17:38.44 | illogic-al | now all is well on my insecure little box. |
| 17:39.01 | aseigo | lol |
| 17:39.12 | slayerbob | lol |
| 17:39.13 | lunitik | illogic-al: its not required... just say disable kwallet... apps like konqi and kopete still remember those things... |
| 17:39.28 | aseigo | darix: kdeinit |
| 17:39.35 | aseigo | darix: running that should help |
| 17:39.43 | darix | aseigo: i will try it soon |
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| 17:40.24 | darix | *adds it to .xsession |
| 17:40.43 | aseigo | lauri: you don't happen to have a mac os x box near you do you? |
| 17:40.47 | illogic-al | lunitik: I _feel_ more secure knowing that the passwords aren't being stored as plaintext. i'm also more comfortable as the passwords are in one place should i choose to not have them remembered anymore. I like the convenience of that. |
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| 17:41.18 | lunitik | illogic-al: kwallet is handy... just seemed like you were complaining about it ;) |
| 17:41.45 | darix | brb *testing* |
| 17:41.48 | illogic-al | no, just pointing out what i used to complain about. |
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| 17:42.11 | lunitik | aseigo: sure will... if you turn off kwallet... |
| 17:42.13 | spiral | salut |
| 17:42.15 | spiral | hi sorry |
| 17:42.17 | illogic-al | i've moved on to other things, like kopete :-) |
| 17:42.31 | lunitik | aseigo: actually... either way... it still requests to remember itself... which is kinda strange methinks |
| 17:43.00 | lunitik | aseigo: its basically saying "Do you want Kwallet to remember this" then asking "Do you want this remembered"... seems redundent :( |
| 17:43.48 | SteamedPenguin | aseigo: I have a OSX box. can I help? |
| 17:43.58 | darix | thanks works. |
| 17:43.59 | darix | :) |
| 17:46.18 | darix | hrm doesnt help. konqueror doesnt suggest using the safed password from the wallet |
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| 17:58.22 | clx | hi all |
| 17:58.33 | illogic-al | hey |
| 17:58.49 | clx | kooldock only work with kde? |
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| 17:59.05 | clx | he don't work with other window managers? |
| 17:59.07 | illogic-al | or do the home work |
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| 18:00.44 | annma | clx: what is kooldock? url? |
| 18:01.03 | illogic-al | the url would be on kdelook |
| 18:01.08 | SchopfeR | but kdelook is down |
| 18:01.08 | illogic-al | but that seems to be down |
| 18:01.26 | annma | maybe he has the homepage url |
| 18:01.31 | pankey | :D |
| 18:01.36 | pankey | erhm...this isnt fun |
| 18:01.47 | pankey | ok...kdegraphics is teh b0rk3d...kfile_pdf |
| 18:02.21 | illogic-al | pankey: did you compile all of kdegraphics? |
| 18:02.22 | pankey | that entire file is like spitting fire to the buffer |
| 18:02.29 | clx | http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/index.php |
| 18:02.31 | pankey | illogic-al: it wont compile |
| 18:02.41 | pankey | it dies there |
| 18:02.57 | illogic-al | pankey: yes but are you trying to compile all of kdegraphics or have you left somethings out |
| 18:03.09 | illogic-al | like kghostview or something else |
| 18:03.13 | pankey | trying to compile all |
| 18:03.20 | pankey | from cvs^^ |
| 18:03.23 | clx | annma: http://ktown.kde.cl/kooldock/index.php |
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| 18:03.35 | pankey | it seemd the .cpp is illegal o.0 |
| 18:03.36 | annma | clx: yes, I am looking |
| 18:03.39 | illogic-al | pankey: paste the error (into pastebin) |
| 18:03.40 | clx | ok |
| 18:03.43 | pankey | undeclared everything |
| 18:03.48 | annma | clx: seems only for KDE, yes |
| 18:03.50 | pankey | ok |
| 18:03.52 | illogic-al | o_0 |
| 18:04.00 | clx | annma: ok |
| 18:04.03 | annma | KoolDock is a dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements and effects. |
| 18:04.07 | illogic-al | YAY! |
| 18:04.22 | illogic-al | urls dragged from konversation into firefox work! |
| 18:04.45 | pankey | bahh!! i dont have links on here :/ |
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| 18:05.20 | pankey | kfile_pdf.cpp:188: error: `metaData' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 18:05.26 | pankey | thats the culprit file |
| 18:05.33 | pankey | almost EVERY line of code errors |
| 18:05.55 | pankey | with undeclared functions or wrongly placed ';' |
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| 18:06.01 | pankey | kfile_pdf.cpp: In member function `virtual bool KPdfPlugin::readInfo(KFileMetaInfo&, uint)': |
| 18:06.27 | pankey | illogic-al: need more? i can paste in #flood |
| 18:06.29 | SteamedPenguin | why would kooldock need to reimplement the KDE pager and clock? WHy not reuse KDE's clock and pager? |
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| 18:06.48 | pankey | haha r00t! |
| 18:06.52 | illogic-al | because then it wouldn't be kool |
| 18:07.07 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: better question... why would you put a clock or pager on something like that? |
| 18:07.49 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: well really the question for me is why use such a monstrosity to begin with, but I was going through the 'about' section and saw implement clock and pager |
| 18:07.51 | Pupeno | Is it me or konqueror doesn't support nested fieldsets ? |
| 18:07.59 | illogic-al | lunitik: why wouldn't you put a clock in there? |
| 18:08.17 | illogic-al | hmm, never tried those before |
| 18:08.40 | illogic-al | pankey, cvs up again and try to make |
| 18:08.43 | illogic-al | again |
| 18:08.45 | pankey | ok |
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| 18:09.12 | illogic-al | if that doesn't work try to put in those missing ';'s, if that still fails there's always make -k |
| 18:09.31 | ianmac | Can anyone else open www.kde-look.org or www.kde-apps.org? |
| 18:09.37 | pankey | ianmac: nope |
| 18:09.38 | pankey | dead |
| 18:09.42 | pankey | illogic-al: will do |
| 18:09.49 | ianmac | :( |
| 18:09.58 | lunitik | illogic-al: because... you'd have to animate fading in and out... just doesn't seem to fit... |
| 18:10.45 | lunitik | pager could be done via seperators that define whats on each desktop... but the clock? |
| 18:10.55 | illogic-al | so you would not put a clock in because it would be harder to animate. right. |
| 18:10.58 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: haha... because its pretty :P |
| 18:11.16 | lunitik | illogic-al: it just seems illogical to me... |
| 18:11.21 | pankey | lol |
| 18:11.23 | pankey | pun! |
| 18:11.25 | ianmac | lol |
| 18:11.33 | illogic-al | heh |
| 18:11.46 | illogic-al | lunitik: as you replied to SteamedPenguin, it's pretty. |
| 18:12.02 | SteamedPenguin | feh |
| 18:12.04 | SteamedPenguin | oogly |
| 18:12.12 | SteamedPenguin | fugly OSX style crap |
| 18:12.16 | lunitik | illogic-al: but a clock just needs to display a time... prettiness is a distraction for such things... |
| 18:12.28 | illogic-al | for you maybe, not me. |
| 18:12.44 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: there is a reason OS X is considered the "prettiest desktop available today" |
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| 18:12.52 | pankey | have yall seen luminocity? |
| 18:12.56 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: brain damage? |
| 18:13.00 | pankey | now THATS F'IN BEAUTIFUL |
| 18:13.01 | illogic-al | if i'm going to use a _kool_ dock then it better make everything look kool |
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| 18:13.21 | pankey | :P |
| 18:13.39 | ianmac | lunitik, Blondes are "pretty" too, but some of the blondes I know have the IQ of a rock. |
| 18:13.40 | illogic-al | lookkool |
| 18:13.53 | SteamedPenguin | ianmac: hah hah |
| 18:13.54 | lunitik | ianmac: thats not necissarily a bad thing... |
| 18:13.58 | pankey | arent rocks smart? |
| 18:14.01 | illogic-al | ianmac: i'll bet you they aren't natural blondes |
| 18:14.25 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: whatever. you really enjoy sex with stupid people? |
| 18:14.37 | xmt | external player in the sound configuration does not work here. what can i do to find reason for this problem? |
| 18:14.49 | illogic-al | turn off arts |
| 18:14.56 | xmt | i turned it |
| 18:15.09 | xmt | kde is build without arts support at all |
| 18:15.22 | illogic-al | is the player your using capable of playing the file you're trying to play? |
| 18:15.29 | illogic-al | hah. |
| 18:15.29 | xmt | yes |
| 18:15.31 | illogic-al | hahah. |
| 18:15.41 | illogic-al | knotify wont play sounds without arts |
| 18:15.50 | xmt | i tried in the command line, it works with exactly the same file |
| 18:15.52 | SteamedPenguin | technologically speaking, if kooldock was something you could install as an addon panel with proper panel widget support, then it'd be really 'kool |
| 18:15.57 | illogic-al | you may not use arts, but it does have to be buiilt |
| 18:16.40 | xmt | illogic-al, wow |
| 18:16.54 | illogic-al | silly gentoo users. |
| 18:16.57 | illogic-al | :-D |
| 18:17.00 | xmt | yes |
| 18:17.24 | xmt | the kde pakets in gentoo use a so called useflag arts |
| 18:17.40 | xmt | i compiled without it, around 290 pakets |
| 18:17.55 | xmt | do i have to build them all again? wit arts enabled? |
| 18:18.08 | illogic-al | you only have to recompile kdelibs and kdebase with arts support |
| 18:18.19 | aseigo | you should only need to rebuild kdelibs/arts, AFAIK |
| 18:18.41 | aseigo | illogic-al: do you need to rebuild kdebase? |
| 18:18.54 | aseigo | illogic-al: or is the kcontrol panel for sound not built if there isn't arts around? |
| 18:18.55 | xmt | well, gentoo has a new scheme to deal with kde paketes, called split kde |
| 18:19.05 | illogic-al | i think that's where knotify is, but i'm not certain on that. |
| 18:19.20 | xmt | the no longer use these meta pakets kdelibs, kdebase |
| 18:19.21 | aseigo | the knotify arts stuff is in kdelibs/arts/knotify |
| 18:19.33 | illogic-al | ah. then kdelibs only. |
| 18:19.36 | aseigo | but yea, worst case scenario is libs and base |
| 18:19.42 | aseigo | though i think only libs is needed =) |
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| 18:20.46 | xmt | illogic-al, aseigo thanks a lot, i will try this |
| 18:20.49 | pankey | ? |
| 18:20.59 | pankey | xmt: kdelibs is only one package |
| 18:21.20 | pankey | i normally just go the kdebase-meta route and unmerge the crud |
| 18:21.22 | pankey | like ktip! |
| 18:21.33 | pankey | :P |
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| 18:21.51 | xmt | yep, i emerged kde-meta |
| 18:21.56 | pankey | ahh |
| 18:22.11 | xmt | so it is a bit difficult to emerge only kdelibs |
| 18:22.20 | pankey | emerge kdelibs -av |
| 18:22.21 | pankey | done :P |
| 18:22.26 | xmt | now |
| 18:22.28 | xmt | no |
| 18:22.33 | pankey | -av == --ask --verbose |
| 18:22.37 | pankey | no? o.0 |
| 18:22.55 | xmt | i think this is a break in the concep of split kde, if i do so |
| 18:23.03 | pankey | xmt: no its not... |
| 18:23.08 | pankey | kdelibs is ONE package man |
| 18:23.09 | xmt | kdelibs ist the old virtual paket |
| 18:23.09 | pankey | :/ |
| 18:23.13 | pankey | yes it is |
| 18:23.24 | xmt | ok |
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| 18:23.26 | pankey | emerge -epv kde-meta | grep kdelibs |
| 18:23.29 | xmt | :) |
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| 18:23.36 | pankey | :) |
| 18:23.43 | pankey | sorry for that slap ^_^ |
| 18:24.20 | pankey | kdegraphics/kfile-plugins/pdf/kfile_pdf.cpp |
| 18:24.21 | pankey | GAHHH |
| 18:24.27 | illogic-al | 13:27. and still no home work done |
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| 18:25.03 | pankey | $Id: kfile_pdf.cpp,v 1.20 2005/03/29 10:45:36 bhards Exp $ |
| 18:25.18 | Minuo | Is it possible to seperate the KDE panel? Like have my running programs up at the top, and my program launcher things at the bottom? |
| 18:25.20 | pankey | Roey: 0.o your name is up top in the header also |
| 18:25.33 | pankey | wait no its not |
| 18:25.39 | pankey | omg oopz...nano time |
| 18:25.42 | lunitik | Minuo: its possible to have another panel... yes |
| 18:25.42 | grivell | Minuo: Yeah, 2 panels. One with taskbar. |
| 18:25.51 | Minuo | How? |
| 18:26.05 | pankey | K_EXPORT_COMPONENT_FACTORY(kfile_pdf, PdfFactory("kfile_pdf")) |
| 18:26.13 | pankey | shouldnt that line have a ; at the end? |
| 18:26.16 | Minuo | I'm been searching for god knows how long |
| 18:26.17 | grivell | right click -> panel -> add child panel |
| 18:26.25 | Roey | pankey: ok :) |
| 18:26.26 | xmt | If i enter this: USE="arts" emerge -a --oneshot kdelibs |
| 18:26.34 | xmt | emerge wants to do that: |
| 18:26.40 | xmt | [ebuild N ] kde-base/arts-3.4.0 |
| 18:26.41 | xmt | [ebuild R ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.4.0 |
| 18:26.51 | Minuo | AAh, got it, thanks |
| 18:26.53 | pankey | correct |
| 18:27.06 | xmt | ok |
| 18:27.43 | pankey | #include "kfile_pdf.moc" <-----WHY is that at the BOTTOM of the source? |
| 18:27.48 | pankey | is that even valid? |
| 18:27.54 | illogic-al | pankey: that needs to be there |
| 18:28.00 | xmt | should i put the arts useflag into make.conf, despite i do not really want to use it? |
| 18:28.07 | pankey | all the way at the bottom? |
| 18:28.08 | pankey | weird |
| 18:28.20 | pankey | xmt: no, do this: |
| 18:28.26 | illogic-al | for qt's pleasure |
| 18:28.46 | pankey | echo "kde-base/kdelibs arts" >> /etc/portage/package.use |
| 18:28.50 | pankey | illogic-al: ahh ok |
| 18:29.40 | illogic-al | have you ever been in #gentoo? |
| 18:29.49 | illogic-al | that place is fscking Scary! |
| 18:29.52 | pankey | yep |
| 18:29.55 | pankey | :P |
| 18:30.02 | lunitik | illogic-al: maybe I should have empasized full? :P |
| 18:30.10 | illogic-al | lol |
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| 18:30.23 | pankey | boooo |
| 18:30.31 | illogic-al | pankey: pwd |
| 18:30.32 | pankey | #gentoo aint helpful at times |
| 18:30.49 | pankey | pwd? on which tty? |
| 18:30.50 | pankey | lol |
| 18:30.51 | lunitik | pankey: more helpful than #kde for such issues. |
| 18:30.52 | SteamedPenguin | hey I prefer helping KDE specific questions regarding gentoo in #kde |
| 18:30.58 | pankey | same |
| 18:31.04 | pankey | #gentoo ppl are crazy |
| 18:31.06 | lunitik | pankey: cuz there you don't get people like me saying don't ask that here :P |
| 18:31.23 | pankey | heh |
| 18:31.29 | pankey | all they would say is RTFM |
| 18:31.36 | xmt | lunitik, i think my primary question was a kde matter |
| 18:31.47 | pankey | yea! XD |
| 18:31.54 | pankey | ok im skipping kdegraphics |
| 18:31.56 | pankey | feck it |
| 18:31.56 | lunitik | xmt: I wasn't paying attention at that point methinks ;) |
| 18:31.58 | illogic-al | pankey: the cvs build one |
| 18:32.02 | pankey | yes |
| 18:32.18 | illogic-al | Emiliana Torrini <-- fabulous voice |
| 18:32.22 | lunitik | illogic-al: no one cares ;) |
| 18:32.26 | pankey | eh heh |
| 18:32.32 | illogic-al | i do. |
| 18:32.35 | SteamedPenguin | besides, it is good to be able to show 'normal' gentoo users instead of the fricking -O9 -fI-fucked-my-computer-because-I-don't-understand-my-compiler |
| 18:32.48 | lunitik | illogic-al: /msg illogic-al then :P |
| 18:33.14 | SteamedPenguin | pankey: what is your kdegraphics problem? |
| 18:33.15 | illogic-al | muahahahah |
| 18:34.06 | illogic-al | "These tears we cryyyyy" |
| 18:34.07 | pankey | SteamedPenguin: kfile_pdf.cpp |
| 18:34.14 | illogic-al | "Are failing raaaaaain" |
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| 18:35.07 | illogic-al | just you wait till i write my karaoke konversation plugin |
| 18:35.14 | pankey | :O |
| 18:35.16 | Roger_ | can you make it so that you dont have to type xhost + before becomgin root when you waht to open a program as root through a terminal |
| 18:35.30 | pankey | cant wait...gonna bundle it with an ogg of yourself?? :D:D |
| 18:35.40 | illogic-al | Roger_: you sure can since i never do that. |
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| 18:35.53 | SteamedPenguin | pankey: eh? a problem with gentoo ebuilds? |
| 18:35.57 | pankey | dont u just cp over the .Xauthority? |
| 18:35.57 | illogic-al | pankey: nah. gonna spam you all on irc with my "singing" |
| 18:35.57 | lunitik | Roger_: umm... just run it as root in the terminal :/ |
| 18:36.03 | pankey | SteamedPenguin: no...cvs source! |
| 18:36.11 | pankey | illogic-al: lmao k |
| 18:36.32 | Roger_ | in kde i cant open a gui program as root unless i first do xhost + as a regular user |
| 18:36.43 | lunitik | illogic-al: if it makes noises here... I reserve first dibs at killing you, k? :P |
| 18:37.01 | lunitik | Roger_: strange... works here... |
| 18:37.44 | Roger_ | ok |
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| 18:38.59 | lunitik | haha... bah... works via sudo... but not in sudo -i (true root env) ... damnit @ him already leaving... |
| 18:39.01 | SteamedPenguin | pankey: oh heh |
| 18:39.51 | illogic-al | pankey: where is PDFDoc.h from? |
| 18:40.13 | pankey | hmm? wheres it from? |
| 18:40.19 | pankey | i think the answer is cvs? heh |
| 18:40.43 | pankey | need me to find that file? |
| 18:41.04 | illogic-al | yeah my build is failing since i don't have that file :-) |
| 18:41.10 | pankey | hmm |
| 18:41.14 | pankey | on the same file? |
| 18:41.21 | pankey | kfile_pdf.cpp? |
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| 18:42.41 | illogic-al | it's from xpdf |
| 18:42.48 | illogic-al | but not my copy aparently |
| 18:43.00 | pankey | hmm |
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| 18:43.44 | illogic-al | found it in kpdf build directory. |
| 18:43.50 | pankey | my xpdf doesnt have it :/ |
| 18:44.24 | illogic-al | bah. this looks like it's gonna take too much time :-) |
| 18:44.43 | pankey | indeed |
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| 18:45.37 | gsuveg | re |
| 18:45.57 | pankey | OMGDIE |
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| 18:48.16 | pinheiro | what is the name of the k menu configurator |
| 18:48.49 | pankey | kmenuedit? |
| 18:48.58 | pankey | tis under System i believe |
| 18:49.57 | illogic-al | RIGHT CLICK on the K in kicker |
| 18:50.05 | illogic-al | Menu Editor |
| 18:50.14 | pankey | even simpler^^! |
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| 18:50.21 | illogic-al | ;-) |
| 18:51.39 | pinheiro | this is mandrake |
| 18:51.49 | pinheiro | i want the original one |
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| 18:52.01 | pinheiro | if i do that it opens the mandrake one |
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| 18:53.35 | illogic-al | pinheiro: run kmenuedit manually then |
| 18:53.50 | pinheiro | thanks |
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| 18:56.15 | pinheiro | an other thing |
| 18:57.12 | pinheiro | my ksysguard does not record the sessions |
| 18:57.37 | pinheiro | so wen i start it i must remake all of the senssores and stuf |
| 18:57.47 | pinheiro | any idea ? |
| 18:58.10 | pinheiro | i checked my permissions they are ok |
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| 19:01.34 | *** topic/#kde is KDE 3.4 released | KDE FAQ: http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/faq/ - the answer to your question might already be here! | Please don't flood the channel, use a paste service: http://rafb.net/paste | If you've just upgraded to 3.4 using Konstruct and your KDE has strange colours and symbols everywhere, check your $QTDIR ! |
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| 19:02.01 | pankey | lunitik: u mean the SIMPLE icon zooming? |
| 19:02.03 | pankey | i wish :/ |
| 19:02.19 | lunitik | pankey: I think so yeah :P |
| 19:02.22 | lunitik | heh... |
| 19:02.40 | lunitik | pankey: not really feeling the thinger there now :( |
| 19:02.53 | pankey | same |
| 19:02.56 | pankey | too dam big man :s |
| 19:03.22 | pankey | whoever coded that should be castrated with no anesthetics! |
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| 19:05.38 | illogic-al | lol |
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| 19:07.12 | Flendor | Hello |
| 19:07.19 | illogic-al | hi |
| 19:07.22 | pankey | hi |
| 19:07.29 | Flendor | Hey there illogic-al, pankey |
| 19:07.34 | pankey | ^_^ |
| 19:07.38 | lunitik | pankey: agreed... although I'm thinking castration is a little drastic :P |
| 19:07.46 | pankey | hahaha |
| 19:07.49 | pankey | nah its not >:D |
| 19:08.23 | illogic-al | pankey: weak. |
| 19:08.27 | illogic-al | conform. |
| 19:08.35 | pankey | possibly because im playing my mp3 cd thru the stereo |
| 19:08.36 | pankey | lol |
| 19:08.38 | pankey | :P |
| 19:08.41 | Flendor | I don't have a script too, I typed it by hand (am I a loser or what :/ ) |
| 19:08.44 | pankey | are there any for irssi? |
| 19:08.49 | pankey | im not in kde yet |
| 19:08.51 | illogic-al | pankey: in the case, 1337. |
| 19:08.55 | pankey | lmao |
| 19:08.59 | illogic-al | pankey: yeah there are. |
| 19:09.02 | pankey | my house is shaking from the bass |
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| 19:09.23 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: you're so l33t |
| 19:09.54 | pankey | lol |
| 19:09.59 | pankey | SteamedPenguin: screen? |
| 19:10.01 | pankey | :D |
| 19:10.45 | lunitik | pankey: he better be doing it via screen... else I will remove limbs |
| 19:10.53 | pankey | hahaha |
| 19:11.09 | pankey | and u talk about me and my castration torchery techniques! |
| 19:11.12 | pankey | >:P |
| 19:11.46 | lunitik | hey... at least he can still have sex... it'll just be a little harder :P |
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| 19:12.01 | pankey | lmfao |
| 19:13.49 | SteamedPenguin | pankey: of course |
| 19:14.06 | SteamedPenguin | pankey: screen, ssh, konsole, irssi |
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| 19:14.10 | pankey | noice |
| 19:14.13 | SteamedPenguin | that's heaven right there |
| 19:14.21 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: you're just saying that cuz you want to keep your limbs :) |
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| 19:14.36 | SteamedPenguin | none of this X irc client shit |
| 19:14.58 | pinheiro | im so sad :( |
| 19:15.14 | pinheiro | i had to disable kompmgr |
| 19:15.16 | lunitik | ohhhhhh... makes sense :) |
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| 19:15.39 | lunitik | pinheiro: yeah... composite pretty much blows enless you have like the exact hardware the devels have right now... |
| 19:15.42 | SteamedPenguin | ok, HAL and DBUS support on KDE 3.4 is pretty nifty |
| 19:15.53 | SteamedPenguin | plop in a CD and it shows up in media:/ |
| 19:15.56 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: under utilized at present |
| 19:16.02 | pinheiro | i have a nvidia |
| 19:16.24 | lunitik | pinheiro: daniels has a 9700 ... has it working... you? |
| 19:16.36 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: well sure. |
| 19:16.42 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: but cool nontheless |
| 19:16.43 | pinheiro | an old 5200 |
| 19:16.48 | pinheiro | :) |
| 19:17.11 | SteamedPenguin | and the audiocd:/ kio slave is just bitchin' |
| 19:17.21 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: can't wait for them to commit to dropping dcop ... |
| 19:17.33 | SteamedPenguin | dcop isn't going to be dropped |
| 19:17.42 | SteamedPenguin | A- it rocks |
| 19:17.49 | PieD | B- it rocks |
| 19:17.52 | SteamedPenguin | B- it integrates KDE |
| 19:17.54 | PieD | C- it really rocks |
| 19:17.56 | lunitik | hal implementation is fine... but dbus would be an improvement... not sure its really entirely worth it... |
| 19:18.03 | PieD | D- did I tell you it rocks ? |
| 19:18.17 | SteamedPenguin | C- DBUS doesn't handle the KDE app integration at all |
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| 19:18.26 | PieD | E- sorry, forgot to mention that : DCOP is great |
| 19:18.39 | lunitik | PieD: dbus > dcop |
| 19:18.41 | SteamedPenguin | so basically you are castrating KDE for a technology that really only works on a lower level and takes away tons of features |
| 19:18.48 | lunitik | PieD: but dcop is used more :/ |
| 19:18.55 | lunitik | (in KDE) |
| 19:19.04 | SteamedPenguin | DBUS is a lower lever technology than DCOP |
| 19:19.08 | sarah03 | What's so great about DBUS anyway? |
| 19:19.14 | PieD | lunitik: sorry, I had no demonstration showing dbus is better than dcop |
| 19:19.20 | SteamedPenguin | sarah03: it uses glib! it rocks! |
| 19:19.35 | lunitik | sarah03: more integrated with hal ... its a standard ... it does most everything dcop does... |
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| 19:19.47 | lunitik | sarah03: I mentioned its a standard right? |
| 19:20.00 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: it does not do most of what dcop does |
| 19:20.13 | lunitik | sarah03: umm... glib is a gnome thing... dbus and hal are not... what is your point? |
| 19:20.15 | sarah03 | lunitik: Standards mean shit if they don't do what you need them to do. |
| 19:20.18 | SteamedPenguin | it works on a lower level than DCOP |
| 19:20.40 | PieD | lunitik: if dbus must replace dcop, then they'll have to work if I trust you |
| 19:20.54 | PieD | because you said : " it does ***most*** everything dcop does..." |
| 19:21.19 | SteamedPenguin | while on that level there is some overlap with DCOP, it does not replace DCOP at all on a kde 'desktop' level |
| 19:21.26 | lunitik | PieD: its an advanced COM... same functionality as dcop... but so much would have to be re-written :/ |
| 19:21.29 | PieD | it must be as feature complete as dcop |
| 19:21.48 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: hello, are we soeaking the same language here? |
| 19:22.07 | SteamedPenguin | because I sear it is like we are talking Sanskrit and Swahili |
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| 19:22.34 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: they are both COM's... dbus just cares less about what its being told... and less about who's listening... |
| 19:22.47 | grepper | heh |
| 19:23.12 | grepper | sounds like the kids I teach |
| 19:23.20 | SteamedPenguin | grepper: heh |
| 19:23.22 | sarah03 | No, KParts is a COM-like mechanism. |
| 19:23.36 | sarah03 | DCOP is an IPC mechanism. |
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| 19:24.57 | lunitik | sarah03: cept... IPC is kinda less descriptive... I am pretty sure I am thinking of something beginning with a C... but yeah :/ |
| 19:25.01 | PieD | see you later... |
| 19:25.28 | sarah03 | lunitik: No, I didn't mean anything beginning with a 'C'. IPC == Inter-Process Communication, which is exactly what DCOP achieves. |
| 19:25.47 | lunitik | sarah03: I didn't state what you meant... I said I meant... |
| 19:26.02 | sarah03 | Mm, I misread. |
| 19:26.31 | lunitik | they are both IPC's... dbus just cares less about what its being told... and less about who's listening... |
| 19:26.35 | lunitik | ^^ true statement |
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| 19:27.19 | lunitik | sorry for wrong usage of terminology :( |
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| 19:28.19 | sarah03 | In other words, dbus is more like the DCOP signals mechanism than DCOP in it's entirety. |
| 19:29.16 | chinstrap | are there any known problems with kmail 1.8 and smtp-auth? I can't send mails anymore since updating to kde 3.4 and tried two different servers |
| 19:29.38 | pankey | hey |
| 19:29.47 | lunitik | sarah03: perhaps... but then... wouldn't they just make that switch to go by standards than state they are replacing dbus with dcop? |
| 19:29.56 | pankey | wats the ETA on the switch to svn? |
| 19:30.03 | SchopfeR | http://membres.lycos.fr/djschopfer6/my_desktop.png |
| 19:30.20 | lunitik | pankey: I thought that already happened? |
| 19:30.23 | SchopfeR | Isn't it beautiful ? :) |
| 19:30.30 | pankey | !?!?!? |
| 19:30.38 | sarah03 | lunitik: DCOP signals don't care if anything is listening for them. |
| 19:30.41 | lunitik | SchopfeR: looks very... defualt... |
| 19:30.45 | pankey | both cvs and svn exist now? |
| 19:30.48 | SchopfeR | mmmh yes |
| 19:31.15 | sarah03 | DCOP calls, on the other hand, expect an application to be at the other end to recieve the call, and possibly return a value. |
| 19:31.16 | lunitik | sarah03: dbus also doesn't... perhaps there is more control on the sending side though? |
| 19:32.26 | chinstrap | http://www.schlueters.de/kmail.log.txt - a sniffer log from a smtp-session from my kmail using plain passwort transfer and the error message from kmail.... |
| 19:34.03 | PhilRod | chinstrap: someone had a similar problem here the other day. I think there was something wrong with his cyrus-sasl(2) installation |
| 19:34.12 | PhilRod | chinstrap: what distro? |
| 19:34.21 | chinstrap | client suse, server gentoo |
| 19:34.53 | chinstrap | and the other server i tried was from our company i think they use suse as server, too... |
| 19:34.53 | sarah03 | Think the difference between UDP and TCP: the former is unreliable by it's nature - if you want reliability, you have to build it into the protocol that's running on top of it. There's no guarantee of a response being made, or even the original packet arriving at it's destination. TCP provides you with the guarantee of either your packet reaching it's destination or you being notified that it didn't get there. |
| 19:36.37 | lunitik | sarah03: you're so patient... heh... I can't say I really know much about dcop though... just read the intentions for 4.0 of replacing dbus with dcop... |
| 19:36.44 | PhilRod | chinstrap: the previous person needed to install cyrus-sasl-plain. Try that. (He was on SuSE too) |
| 19:37.04 | lunitik | sarah03: I have looked somewhat into dbus... but certainly don't have a thorough understanding of that either :( |
| 19:38.11 | lunitik | thorough defined as: enough knowledge of said to actually implement it... |
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| 19:40.19 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: there is talk about using DBUS, unless DBUS changes, I doubt it'll replace DCOP wholesale |
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| 19:40.42 | PhilRod | chinstrap: if that works, please write it up as a faq and send it to faq@kde.org |
| 19:40.55 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: that seems to be the conclusion I am coming to... I didn't realize dcop did so much... |
| 19:41.10 | PhilRod | chinstrap: if you have any problems doing that, just ask me, or drop in #kde-docs |
| 19:41.51 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: there is talk of a DBUS to DCOp bridge |
| 19:41.57 | chinstrap | PhilRod: great now it works - at least in plain mod, let's see what happens if i enable encryption... |
| 19:42.04 | SteamedPenguin | which makes lots os sense in KDE land |
| 19:42.32 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: would make sense... or to just make DBUS transfer DCOP stuff... |
| 19:42.49 | SteamedPenguin | whatever they come up with |
| 19:43.41 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: that way.... certain things could be shared with GNOME apps too... even if they don't utilize QtGTK |
| 19:44.05 | SteamedPenguin | but toddsure |
| 19:44.34 | SteamedPenguin | all I care about is possible benefits HAL and DBUS bring to KDE-land |
| 19:44.53 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: a lot of businesses are using GTK... |
| 19:45.27 | SteamedPenguin | while that's a truism, it doesn't tell me anything |
| 19:45.44 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: makes sense to not segregate from support... so long as it doesn't influence too much overall... |
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| 19:46.09 | SteamedPenguin | yeah, well even if they use GTK that in no sense means they use HAL or DBUS |
| 19:46.25 | SteamedPenguin | like nero's CD burning app for Linux, or Adobe Reader 7 |
| 19:46.34 | SteamedPenguin | so let's stay on planet earth here |
| 19:47.02 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: a major reason for me sticking with KDE is gtk-qt (the theme) ... I like my desktop to feel cohesive .. but I want to use best of breed apps (most notably GIMP...) |
| 19:47.34 | SteamedPenguin | but I fail to see what the widgets has to do with HAL or DBUS |
| 19:47.38 | SchopfeR | I use Plastik for KDE apps and Industrial engine for GTK apps |
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| 19:48.15 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: not a lot... other than prior comments about cohesiveness... which related to communication ;) |
| 19:48.29 | SteamedPenguin | so not related at all |
| 19:48.40 | simmerz | how do i get styles set up for the history plugin in kopete? It doesn't have any listed |
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| 19:49.14 | SteamedPenguin | the widgets GTK apps use have nothing to add to a conversation about HAL or DBUS or increasing interoperability between GTK apps and KDE |
| 19:49.33 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: the latter... they certainly do. |
| 19:49.39 | Goose | hey is there a way to stop all kde apps from displaying "Kapp" instead of just "App" ? |
| 19:49.47 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: how so? |
| 19:50.13 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: common theme. fd.o projects... |
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| 19:50.30 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: again that whole Sanskrit Swahili thing |
| 19:50.35 | lunitik | s/theme/theme engine/ |
| 19:51.49 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: I don't understand how you are failing to tie the relation? |
| 19:52.22 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: general cohesiveness no matter your prefered DE... use the best app for the job... |
| 19:52.49 | sarah03 | Making them look the same isn't going to really increase interop between the apps - it just makes them look similar. Which isn't really a bad thing, but it's orthogonal to the subject at hand. |
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| 19:53.12 | PhilRod | Goose: where do they display "Kapp" that you want to change? |
| 19:53.37 | PhilRod | Goose: you can change names displayed in the K menu (I think), but elsewhere, you can't, AFAIK |
| 19:53.40 | Goose | everywhere =) |
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| 19:54.16 | PhilRod | heh, well you're looking at some clever regexp'ing and recompiling then, I imagine |
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| 19:54.22 | Goose | figures |
| 19:54.30 | SteamedPenguin | sarah03: thank you |
| 19:54.39 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: bah... it wasn't even a major point... just me stating something that users care about... |
| 19:54.42 | PhilRod | oh, not necessarily recompiling - you could create a "translation" where "kapp" everywhere was changed to "app" |
| 19:54.54 | Goose | :o |
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| 19:54.58 | Goose | you can do that? |
| 19:55.22 | moserre | hi |
| 19:55.23 | Goose | kde 3.4 is nice but why don't they just use sensible names for apps |
| 19:55.39 | scrooge | erhm...in konqueror |
| 19:55.41 | scrooge | i was typing in a url |
| 19:55.42 | lunitik | A display of current cohesiveness... |
| 19:55.43 | scrooge | the first letter is c |
| 19:55.45 | scrooge | and it CRASHED kde |
| 19:55.49 | scrooge | hard frozen |
| 19:55.55 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: either way, commercial companies don't necessarily follow f.d.o 'standards' or, generally speaking, open source desktop conventions |
| 19:56.09 | moserre | whow, kde rocks... |
| 19:56.25 | Goose | kde does rock |
| 19:56.28 | scrooge | w00t new convert! |
| 19:56.35 | SteamedPenguin | so why it should matter to support GNOME app interop because of commercial companies is beyond my comprehension |
| 19:56.45 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: ISV's care about standards... |
| 19:57.35 | Goose | kde + some GL accelerated X will be the ultimate desktop |
| 19:57.36 | lunitik | moserre: it has everything you wished GNOME had... and some things you never thought of... and is still fast... works for me :) |
| 19:57.42 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: so? the ISV's do, but that doesn't help you with these half-baked 'commercial' apps you spoke of |
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| 19:58.55 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: ISV's aren't commercial? |
| 19:59.08 | SteamedPenguin | they are... |
| 19:59.13 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: ... |
| 19:59.23 | PhilRod | moserre: cool to hear you like it. If you'd like to help make it even better, there are loads of ways to get involved :-) |
| 19:59.28 | lunitik | Maybe I misunderstand your disagreement? |
| 19:59.29 | Goose | gnome apps are gtk apps = a stupid decision |
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| 19:59.49 | PhilRod | scrooge: is it reproducible? |
| 19:59.58 | lunitik | Goose: blame Red Hat (and thus Novell, Sun etc0 |
| 19:59.59 | lunitik | ) |
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| 20:00.13 | Goose | :\ damn them all |
| 20:00.20 | PhilRod | Goose: bah, there's tons more exciting stuff happening than just eye candy :-) |
| 20:00.23 | scrooge | testing again now :( |
| 20:00.25 | scrooge | hol |
| 20:00.38 | scrooge | nope |
| 20:00.46 | Goose | i just want integration |
| 20:01.05 | lunitik | Goose: for KDE to maintain a decent userbase though... must interoperate with that as best they can... else it will just me impractical for many to use KDE... |
| 20:01.07 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: in any case, what is your point exactly? |
| 20:01.10 | scrooge | but my kmenu is slowly like removing all the apps...and quick launch kicker applet is missing my icons :/ |
| 20:01.11 | scrooge | GRRRR |
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| 20:01.28 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: I think I just stated my point :) |
| 20:01.28 | sarah03 | I'd love for all of the apps I use regularly to integrate, which is why all but one of the apps I use on a regular basis are KDE apps. |
| 20:01.46 | Goose | if only koffice were as good as openoffice :( |
| 20:01.54 | Pupeno | Can anybody confirm that konqueror can't display fieldsets inside fieldsets correctly (it can't here, version 3.3.x), maybe it was solved in version 4.x |
| 20:02.03 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: not that I am saying KDE should strive for a high userbase... it should strive to be the best... if the users don't come, then they are missing out... |
| 20:02.06 | PhilRod | Goose: re your question about translation - yes you can, it's what all the translation teams do :-) |
| 20:02.08 | sarah03 | It's also *really* good on the commandline, too, because I've got all sorts of console control over any of the apps I currently have running. |
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| 20:02.21 | Goose | philrod thanks i'll look into it |
| 20:02.23 | PhilRod | (well, they don't change app names, but they change all the other strings that appear to users) |
| 20:02.36 | PhilRod | erm, actually, perhaps they change everything *apart* from app names :-/ |
| 20:02.43 | Goose | :( |
| 20:02.49 | Goose | how about foreign languages? |
| 20:03.07 | lunitik | SteamedPenguin: but to abandon some users because KDE doesn't wish to allow GTK apps to integrate as well as possible... especially where its possible to avoid it... is just silly... |
| 20:03.08 | Goose | do they leave the appnames in english? |
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| 20:04.13 | PhilRod | Goose: oh, if they do, it could be a choice rather than something that's required technically |
| 20:04.46 | Goose | ah |
| 20:05.00 | PhilRod | see if you can find a screenshot of (say) a japanese KDE desktop |
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| 20:05.14 | PhilRod | the window bar titles are probably the giveaway |
| 20:05.18 | PhilRod | anyway, back to working on kst |
| 20:05.39 | SteamedPenguin | lunitik: if GTK apps really feel the burn they are free to write their own DCOP bridge. :) |
| 20:05.56 | sarah03 | lunitik: Well, the thing there, as far as I've been able to tell, is that GTK stuff doesn't really integrate all that well, either. |
| 20:05.57 | lauri | SteamedPenguin: stop encouraging him :) |
| 20:06.17 | sarah03 | Even with other GTK stuff. |
| 20:06.19 | lunitik | sarah03: I wish I had more time to study all the little thing about KDE... things I have found (like ksystraycmd) are so useful... must be so much I miss out on... its very good at doing pretty much everything you could imagine though... while not feeling bloated... |
| 20:06.20 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: it is fun watching him do circles. :) |
| 20:06.32 | lauri | oh ok then |
| 20:06.38 | SteamedPenguin | sarah03: yeah, but nobody mentions that elephant in the room. :) |
| 20:06.42 | lauri | encourage him some more |
| 20:06.50 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: :) |
| 20:07.01 | sarah03 | lauri: lol |
| 20:07.01 | Goose | ksystraycmd? |
| 20:07.03 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: what is the deadline to getting documentation in for 3.4.1? |
| 20:07.06 | Goose | does that have tab complete? |
| 20:07.14 | lauri | last month |
| 20:07.20 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: serious? |
| 20:07.28 | lunitik | sarah03: very very true... the integration is getting better... but its really just a bunch of parts slammed together... but they do use certain technologies that are utilized across the board... and fd.o is defining more... |
| 20:07.30 | lauri | yes |
| 20:07.34 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: fsck |
| 20:07.56 | SteamedPenguin | so new documentation has to wait until KDE 4 ? |
| 20:07.59 | SteamedPenguin | or 3.5 ? |
| 20:08.04 | lauri | well, put it in HEAD, I don't quite know how we're going to handle 3.5 |
| 20:08.10 | sarah03 | lunitik: Mm, I've not studied it so much as I have implemented apps which use various portions of the framework, gone hacking at various other bits and pieces, and otherwise been using KDE since 1.0 anyway. |
| 20:08.14 | lauri | oh, no, it'll get into 3.5, somehow |
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| 20:08.28 | lauri | I'll probably do a mass backport post-tagging like usual |
| 20:08.34 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: heh |
| 20:08.37 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: ok |
| 20:08.42 | lauri | but 3.5 is a ways away yet (or more likely, we'll open up the string freeze at some point) |
| 20:08.50 | lauri | there's a boatload of bugfixes going on in HEAD that need new strings too |
| 20:09.32 | lunitik | sarah03: I jumped on board around 2.x ... whatever came with RH 7.3 ... back then, GNOME was pretty much a joke... keep going back to figure out what the fuss is about... recently was the longest I have gone without KDE in 4 years... lasted about 5 months... |
| 20:09.32 | lauri | things ought to be a lot clearer (and a whole lot easier to deal with branches, so they keep telling me) after the SVN change |
| 20:09.33 | illogic-al | would that these evil days were not mine. |
| 20:09.35 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: well I want to make sure I get this done in April. otherwise it'll take too long |
| 20:09.41 | lauri | because right now it's insanely awkward and makes my head hurt |
| 20:09.59 | davsm | l |
| 20:10.00 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: heh. SVN is nice |
| 20:10.09 | lauri | ok.. sooner the better (don't forget you don't have to do the markup or anything), just jam it into HEAD as soon as you can |
| 20:10.25 | SteamedPenguin | I just wish the license were GPL compatible, but that is likely to change with GPL v3 |
| 20:10.29 | lunitik | sarah03: before that though... heh... about 30 hours was the longest GNOME had lasted... I really really tried to like it :/ |
| 20:10.32 | lauri | on the bright side, i18n can backport docs out of HEAD themselves, so it won't be a holdup for translation if I later backport them in en |
| 20:10.34 | sarah03 | lunitik: Yeah, GNOME never really interested me all that much. |
| 20:10.41 | lauri | SteamedPenguin: what license? |
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| 20:10.49 | lauri | the doc license? it is gpl compatible |
| 20:10.50 | SteamedPenguin | lauri: Apache iirc |
| 20:10.59 | SteamedPenguin | no no, the subversion license |
| 20:11.05 | lauri | the apache license? |
| 20:11.07 | lauri | ohhh |
| 20:11.15 | lauri | oh, I don't care about that :) |
| 20:11.59 | sarah03 | SVN was nice to use back in it's early days. I played around with it a bit. |
| 20:12.07 | sarah03 | And yeah, CVS branches do make my head hurt. |
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| 20:12.47 | lauri | sarah03: it wouldn't be *quite* so bad if kde-i18n wasn't such a behemoth to deal with anyway |
| 20:13.03 | lauri | well, ok, yes it would, because branches are a pain |
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| 20:13.33 | sarah03 | lauri: *shrug* That's the one component I don't bother checking out myself. |
| 20:13.55 | lauri | unfortunately, I have to |
| 20:14.05 | lauri | it's one of the reasons I run an anoncvs mirror :) |
| 20:14.20 | sarah03 | *nods* Believe me, I noticed. :D |
| 20:14.29 | sarah03 | sarah@server kdelibs $ cat ~/src/kde-sup |
| 20:14.29 | sarah03 | *default host=apelsin.fruitsalad.org |
| 20:14.33 | lauri | (and it updates 2 hourly, and still sometimes a local update doesn't get done in time :) |
| 20:14.47 | lauri | oh yeah, and bsd'ers, so, you get cvsup as a bonus :) |
| 20:15.33 | lauri | it gets pretty well used too, which is interesting (there were people trying to convince us to not turn that on, since nobody would use it, and it might take resources from the anoncvs) |
| 20:15.38 | sarah03 | I actually use Gentoo, myself... I keep cvsup around because for those projects which I like being able to poke through the entire CVS repository for. |
| 20:15.56 | lauri | oh, no, I meant, we're bsd'ers |
| 20:15.59 | sarah03 | Ahh. :D |
| 20:16.09 | sarah03 | cvsup is still quite nice, in any case. |
| 20:16.12 | lauri | heh |
| 20:16.19 | lauri | for it's purpose, it's smashing |
| 20:16.38 | sarah03 | Given the choice of anoncvs or cvsup, I'll take cvsup any day myself. |
| 20:16.39 | Goliath23 | hi |
| 20:16.54 | lauri | yup, me too |
| 20:16.57 | PhilRod | hi Goliath23 |
| 20:17.07 | Cerulean | Is there any tool to run an application when the mouse has been placed in the corner of the screen for a certain amount of time, say. |
| 20:17.21 | Goliath23 | is there a kde improvement to make the icons in the kicker smaller so I can have two rows of quick launch icons? |
| 20:17.21 | lauri | Cerulean: kscreensaver? |
| 20:17.29 | lauri | Goliath23: yup, the .... |
| 20:17.38 | lauri | humm, now I forget |
| 20:17.39 | Goliath23 | lauri: the ...? ;) |
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| 20:17.41 | lauri | quicklaunch applet |
| 20:18.01 | lauri | (it'll need to be tall enough to hold two rows first though, and you can have it alongside normal full sized icons, which I find quite handy) |
| 20:18.05 | Goliath23 | ah, great stuff |
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| 20:18.30 | lauri | stuff I want often, but not *really* often, in there, stuff i want really often, bigger |
| 20:19.43 | Cerulean | lauri: No, that seems to only allow locking/unlocking the screen when the pointer is there |
| 20:20.02 | sarah03 | Hm. Stuff I want often is usually already running. But that's just me. |
| 20:20.04 | lauri | Cerulean: it can run a screensaver too |
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| 20:20.22 | Cerulean | lauri: It can? |
| 20:20.26 | lauri | and (this is really convoluted) a screensaver can actually be a separate app (check out ktux) |
| 20:20.46 | lauri | I'm not sure the actual limitations you have there, you might be heading off into dcop land |
| 20:21.08 | lauri | sarah03: heh, I was just thinking, looking at my panel, everything on it, is currently in the systray, and saved by my session |
| 20:21.17 | lauri | sarah03: I could actually remove every icon on the panel, and probably not miss them :) |
| 20:21.27 | Cerulean | `rite-click desktop->configure desktop->Screen Saver->Advanced->Top Left` only gives me the option of No Action, Lock Screen, Unlock Screen |
| 20:21.51 | Cerulean | s/unlock/prevent |
| 20:21.52 | sarah03 | lauri: Well, I could do without the 3 K menu icons... |
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| 20:22.05 | lauri | oh well, maybe i invented that, or it got removed (or maybe the fact the screensaver runs when the screen is locked is incidental) |
| 20:22.08 | lauri | sarah03: 3? |
| 20:22.16 | lauri | sarah03: I don't have one (I never use it) |
| 20:22.16 | sarah03 | 3 panels, 2 monitors. |
| 20:22.24 | lauri | but then, I'm weird and don't have a taskbar either |
| 20:23.19 | kjalil | hi, can anyone please help me figure out a focus problem with firefox under KDE 3.4? at least i think it's a focus problem |
| 20:23.52 | Goliath23 | lauri: thats really a great tip |
| 20:23.56 | kjalil | i'm unable to use my up/down arrows inside a textfield and i'm pretty sure this used to work under gnome, but not in kde |
| 20:23.57 | Goliath23 | I always missed that stuff |
| 20:24.00 | Goliath23 | kde hooray! |
| 20:24.01 | Goliath23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:24.28 | lauri | kjalil: I'm not sure it's a KDE issue, if it's in firefox |
| 20:25.04 | lauri | I mean, all KDE can do with firefox, is manage the window via kwin, the rest is up to the fox itself |
| 20:25.06 | PhilRod | Goliath23: if you think others will find it useful (and they probably will!), please write it up as a FAQ and send it to faq@kde.org |
| 20:25.26 | lauri | you should confirm how it behaves under another window manager |
| 20:25.42 | Goliath23 | PhilRod: a FAQ on rightclicking the panel and adding the quick launch applet? |
| 20:25.53 | Goliath23 | PhilRod: well okay, can do that, no problem |
| 20:25.55 | lunitik | Cerulean: there is no way to make what you want a gesture? |
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| 20:26.23 | Cerulean | lunitik: Oh yeah, didn't think about that |
| 20:26.26 | Cerulean | thanks |
| 20:26.43 | illogic-al | rawr. |
| 20:26.47 | kjalil | hmm, thanks, ok let me go into gnome and confirm this |
| 20:26.49 | illogic-al | and so i return. |
| 20:26.58 | lauri | Goliath23: heh, well, "how can I get more than one row of icons on the panel" |
| 20:27.06 | lauri | ie, what you asked |
| 20:27.15 | Goliath23 | right |
| 20:27.22 | Goliath23 | i'm writing already |
| 20:27.28 | lauri | humour us, faq@ needs some input love |
| 20:27.31 | lauri | or something |
| 20:28.38 | illogic-al | austin powers comes to mind though. |
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| 20:29.25 | sarah03 | lauri: http://b0rked.dhs.org/cms/Files/desktop.jpg |
| 20:29.30 | sarah03 | That's my desktop. |
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| 20:30.37 | rendie | anyone heard of intel pentium m 1.6ghz is equal to intel pentium 4 3.0ghz? |
| 20:30.52 | Goliath23 | rendie: thats nonsense imho |
| 20:30.52 | illogic-al | i have now |
| 20:30.58 | Goliath23 | without a closer look ;) |
| 20:31.20 | lunitik | Surely those items would fit better into Desktop? Thats where I went to look first at least... |
| 20:31.24 | illogic-al | Goliath23: that's nonsense even with a closer look |
| 20:32.29 | PhilRod | Goliath23: "How can I get two lines of icons in my KDE panel?" or something similar |
| 20:32.34 | illogic-al | khotkeys should be in the control center at all |
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| 20:32.42 | lunitik | Maybe even Peripherals... but they certainly don't apply to local settings or accessability? |
| 20:33.00 | PhilRod | oh, lauri already said that |
| 20:33.02 | lunitik | illogic-al: I disagree... else, where would you configure it? |
| 20:33.21 | illogic-al | from the Khotkeys entry in the kmenu? |
| 20:33.29 | lunitik | illogic-al: hiding configuration options is not nice... |
| 20:33.31 | illogic-al | me too phil. me too. |
| 20:33.56 | illogic-al | lunitik: it's an application, it's in the menu. that's not hiding. |
| 20:34.05 | lunitik | illogic-al: not in my menu... |
| 20:34.23 | illogic-al | lol |
| 20:34.29 | illogic-al | lunitik: nor mine. |
| 20:34.30 | PhilRod | hrm, no, the logo's the same as usual... |
| 20:35.05 | lunitik | illogic-al: anyways... kcontrol is just a shell for a bunch of tools... which all *g* control configuration options... so yeah... |
| 20:35.50 | lunitik | If anything... I think more should go there... like most of the kdeadmin stuff... and maybe some kdeutils and kpackage / kynaptic / etc ... |
| 20:36.04 | illogic-al | it's an application. applications should be in the menu. that's the length and breadth of my point. |
| 20:36.24 | lunitik | illogic-al: anything that configures anything and does little else should be accessable in kcontrol... |
| 20:37.14 | lunitik | cuz then... it shows up in my Preferences menu... and I get to find it faster 8) |
| 20:37.16 | Goliath23 | PhilRod: whats your email address? |
| 20:38.29 | lauri | you could send it to faq@kde.org |
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| 20:38.43 | Goliath23 | I know, I want to send him a copy |
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| 20:40.02 | Flendor | Good night everyone. |
| 20:40.15 | illogic-al | lunitik: so we should throw the configuration for all kde apps into kcontrol right? |
| 20:40.23 | illogic-al | tata flendor. |
| 20:40.23 | lunitik | illogic-al: here, for instance... I have about 20 entries in my 'utilities' menu... more than half should be in kcontrol imo... sure it will 'bloat' kcontrol... but how often do you do these things? |
| 20:40.34 | illogic-al | may the bed bugs be with you. |
| 20:40.47 | PhilRod | Goliath23: phil@kde.org |
| 20:41.09 | lunitik | illogic-al: no... thats part of said application... although I could see it coming in useful for me... |
| 20:41.46 | lunitik | illogic-al: I have been known to go into an app just to tweak it to my liking... would make that easier... but yeah... thats going overboard I think... |
| 20:41.50 | illogic-al | right. |
| 20:41.58 | StevenR | what's the aKode engine for amarok? |
| 20:42.17 | illogic-al | there's an akode engine? |
| 20:42.30 | lunitik | StevenR: umm... akode is an arts plugin mechanism... it has very little direct relation to amarok other than this... |
| 20:42.43 | StevenR | i see, thanks |
| 20:42.47 | lauri | it's a new audio output |
| 20:42.55 | lauri | which can be used by arts, or by some apps (like amarok) directly |
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| 20:43.06 | lunitik | StevenR: you probably want 'akode-mpeg' though... or your distro's equiv... |
| 20:43.09 | Goliath23 | PhilRod: ok, you got mail |
| 20:43.21 | illogic-al | lauri: did you get my email. |
| 20:43.25 | lunitik | lauri: I thought amarok would use it via arts? |
| 20:43.30 | lauri | no |
| 20:43.51 | StevenR | lunitik: configure mentioned it, and i didn't know what it was, that's all. |
| 20:43.52 | lauri | illogic-al: yes, lunitik: no |
| 20:44.06 | lauri | well, yes it could use it via arts, if you choose the arts output engine, or it can use it directly |
| 20:44.07 | illogic-al | woot. |
| 20:44.30 | lunitik | lauri: I never saw this as an option in amarok? |
| 20:44.54 | lauri | if you have it installed, arts will use it to handle decoding in preference to mpeglib or whatever else usually handles that (there are several choices, somewhat distribution and os dependent) |
| 20:45.03 | lauri | lunitik: then you don't have a new enough version, or dont' have akode installed |
| 20:45.07 | lunitik | lauri: I fiddled with this for a while the other day... ended up just using gstreamer... but I think I am familier with it because of this... |
| 20:46.11 | lunitik | lauri: I have amarok 1.2.2 ... and akode 3.4.0 ... |
| 20:46.16 | kjalil | lauri: whew, i found the culprit, it's one of my 4-5 extensions in firefox. i'm going to start removing them and see which one. I solved this by logging into another account and checking. it's not a kde problem |
| 20:46.19 | kjalil | ;) |
| 20:46.33 | lunitik | lauri: although I believe I was playing with 1.2.1 ... |
| 20:46.43 | lunitik | (cuz that was like a week ago...) |
| 20:46.47 | lauri | lunitik: what do you want me to say? you're right? you are not right |
| 20:47.11 | lunitik | lauri: show me where I can use akode directly in amarok? |
| 20:47.29 | lauri | 1.2.3 is the current version, the akode output was disabled by default until post 1.2, I don't know if it was enabled after that, or after 1.2.1 |
| 20:47.44 | lauri | settings -> engines -> choose it from the dropdown |
| 20:47.54 | lauri | if you installed things correctly, and have a new enough version |
| 20:48.24 | StevenR | does kdm have theming support? |
| 20:49.04 | SchopfeR | KDM from kde 3.4 has theming support |
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| 20:49.27 | lunitik | lauri: in 1.2.2 ... I only see aRts and 'no engine' ... as I am yet to install gstreamer0.8-artsd on this install... |
| 20:49.38 | lauri | lunitik: then you can't have akode |
| 20:49.51 | lunitik | lauri: I have akode and akode-mpeg |
| 20:49.52 | lauri | http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/46/1/ <-- it was enabled in 1.2 |
| 20:49.54 | aka_Bill_Gates | hi all, |
| 20:49.55 | illogic-al | StevenR: you have to make a small virgin sacrifice (yourself) to get it working. |
| 20:50.17 | SchopfeR | mmmhh... Is it possible to only compile kwin/clients/plastik from kdebase cvs ?? |
| 20:50.21 | aka_Bill_Gates | what are the default autostart locations for KDE3.4 |
| 20:50.24 | StevenR | illogic-al: i dont have anything to sacrifice right now |
| 20:51.06 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: $KDEHOME/Autostart/ |
| 20:51.08 | lauri | + the saved session |
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| 20:51.42 | StevenR | illogic-al: is there a way to get it working without sacrificing |
| 20:51.43 | StevenR | ? |
| 20:51.50 | aka_Bill_Gates | I tried both places. Actually, I couldn't figure out from where gkrellm was running? |
| 20:51.52 | illogic-al | StevenR: well then put this in $KDEDIR//share/config/kdm/kdmrc UseTheme=true |
| 20:52.14 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: probably the session manager is starting it |
| 20:52.32 | aka_Bill_Gates | lauri, session manager?! clue plzz |
| 20:52.37 | illogic-al | StevenR: actually open that file and search for UseTheme, and uncomment that and the Theme= lines |
| 20:52.42 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: make sure it's *really* dead, save your session, and restart (don't just close the gui, chase down with ps any daemons or background processes running) |
| 20:52.44 | nestorm | hi everyone |
| 20:53.06 | illogic-al | hi |
| 20:53.17 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: things that are open when you close KDE, will be started automatically (unless you chose to save sessions manually, in which case anything running when you saved the session will be) |
| 20:53.39 | StevenR | illogic-al: ok, found it, thanks |
| 20:53.39 | nestorm | does anybody know how to see the conversation between kmail and the mail server? |
| 20:53.44 | aka_Bill_Gates | I installed gkrellm that comes with fc3, and then put a link to it on autostart, but when i login there are two instances of it instead of one |
| 20:53.57 | lauri | nestorm: ethereal? |
| 20:54.05 | aka_Bill_Gates | ohhhhh |
| 20:54.13 | lauri | nestorm: or you just want the debug output (try tailing .xsession-errors) |
| 20:54.22 | nestorm | mm, there used to be a kmail window for that |
| 20:54.48 | nestorm | but thanks, lauri anyway |
| 20:54.59 | lauri | illogic-al: getting back to you, my cvs checkouts are anciently out of date |
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| 20:56.05 | nestorm | not found in .xsession-errors |
| 20:56.12 | illogic-al | lauri: want me to check it in? |
| 20:56.40 | aka_Bill_Gates | lauri, using ms ttf on fc3/KDE3.4, antialiasing is set but the fonts are aliased! they worked fine on rh9 though, any clue? |
| 20:56.43 | nestorm | so do you think that kmail window is gone? |
| 20:56.51 | lauri | it isn't already in HEAD? |
| 20:57.05 | lauri | illogic-al: damn, I'm really sorry, i honestly thought I had got them all |
| 20:57.15 | lauri | illogic-al: so yes, please commit |
| 20:57.42 | jaybuffet | how do you change kde's WM |
| 20:57.42 | SchopfeR | Is it possible to only compile kwin/clients/plastik from kdebase cvs ?? :s |
| 20:58.06 | nestorm | aka_Bill_Gates, have you got the font server running? xfs I think |
| 20:58.13 | lauri | SchopfeR: on it's own? sure |
| 20:58.29 | lauri | SchopfeR: but it might not work against an out of date copy of kdelibs/kdebase |
| 20:58.29 | aka_Bill_Gates | yes lauri, anything I have to set on xorg.conf? |
| 20:58.39 | SchopfeR | KDE 3.4 |
| 20:58.51 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: I'm not familiar with either redhat or fedora |
| 20:58.57 | SchopfeR | if it doesn't work i'll compile everything this night |
| 20:58.58 | illogic-al | ok i'll commit. i know you get swamped with loads of these things so it's fine. |
| 20:59.09 | illogic-al | it's not like i'm blameless either :-/ |
| 20:59.11 | SchopfeR | what time is it in your country ? |
| 20:59.17 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: in general, you don't want to be using bitmapped fonts if you are using anti-aliasing, so make sure you actually have chosen vector fonts (ttf's or t1) |
| 20:59.28 | SchopfeR | Here, it's 10:58 PM |
| 21:00.01 | nestorm | check: service xfs status, as root |
| 21:00.06 | aka_Bill_Gates | yes lauri, they are the ttfs from ms;), verdana, tahoma and arial |
| 21:00.12 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: don't use the xfs/xfstt font servers if you can help it, make sure you *have* some ttf fonts (you probably can find at least the MS webfonts around, and the bitstream vera ones), and pick those as your fonts in kcontrol |
| 21:00.35 | nestorm | aka_Bill_Gates: check: service xfs status, as root |
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| 21:01.06 | aka_Bill_Gates | hmm, i'll double check it, on a windowx box rt now |
| 21:01.16 | lauri | well, and a lot of distributions assume those aren't installed, (especially arial and times new roman) and alias them to bitstream vera, or helvetica (which has a bitmapped version that is particularly ugly, which is sad, because helvetica is actually a pretty nice font, but you want a decent copy of it) |
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| 21:01.46 | lauri | so you need to hunt down your fonts.conf (or maybe fonts.conf.local) in wherever RH stores those things, and see if they are in fact aliased, and make them not, if that's the case |
| 21:02.12 | nestorm | do you know any kde interface to ethereal? |
| 21:02.27 | aka_Bill_Gates | thanks lauri, I'll do that |
| 21:04.14 | aka_Bill_Gates | on rh9, I could use qt-config, its missing on fc3 |
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| 21:04.54 | lauri | it's not got a - in it |
| 21:05.11 | lauri | and yes, it's a pretty handy way to set those aliases up |
| 21:05.37 | aka_Bill_Gates | ohh |
| 21:05.56 | aka_Bill_Gates | aren't there such for gtks |
| 21:05.56 | lauri | it might be in a separate package, or a qt-devel package, I'm not sure how fedora/rh packages are done |
| 21:06.04 | Pupeno | Anybody running kde 3.4 can take a look at http://pupeno.com/misc/temporary/jsproblem/download and tell me if the "Each..." and "Every..." fieldsets appear inside or outside of the "Frecuency" fieldset ? |
| 21:06.18 | lauri | aka_Bill_Gates: gtk and Qt use the same font rendering system (which is handled by X) |
| 21:06.39 | physos | Pupeno: inside. |
| 21:06.46 | lauri | so it's actually fontconfig that does the aliases, either on a global basis (look somewhere near where your x config file is, mine's in /usr/X11R6/etc/fonts |
| 21:07.01 | lauri | or on a per-user basis (which is then in ~/.fonts/ |
| 21:07.04 | Pupeno | physos: sure sure ? |
| 21:07.12 | aka_Bill_Gates | okie |
| 21:07.14 | SchopfeR | WooOps |
| 21:07.32 | Pupeno | physos: because it doesn't on kde 3.3. |
| 21:07.35 | lauri | qtconfig is only changing it per user (you can do that yourself too, it's a bit of a complicated XML format, but not impossible, and there are lots of examples around) |
| 21:07.46 | SchopfeR | have I to compile kdelibs before kdebase or kdebase beforce kdelibs ? :s |
| 21:07.57 | Pupeno | SchopfeR: kdelibs then kdebase. |
| 21:08.07 | SchopfeR | thank you |
| 21:08.32 | ataxic | ad kdeaddons as last iirc or is that old news |
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| 21:08.54 | aka_Bill_Gates | lauri, another question, from which script does X or probably kde initializes alsa |
| 21:08.54 | physos | Pupeno: http://physos.net/~physos/images/screenshots/pupeno.png |
| 21:08.58 | lauri | it should be last, because it configures itself depending on what you have installed |
| 21:09.05 | nestorm | Pupeno: inside the frecuency: 1280x1024 |
| 21:09.23 | SchopfeR | root@SchopfeR:/home/schopfer/arts# make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde && make && make install && cd ../kdelibs && make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde && make && make install && cd ../kdebase && make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde && make && make install |
| 21:09.29 | SchopfeR | that seems to be good ^^ |
| 21:09.32 | lauri | so if you install it libs, base, addons, multimedia, you'll get the konqueror and kate plugins (because they're in base) but the noatun ones will turn themselves off (because multimedia isn't there yet) |
| 21:09.40 | Pupeno | physos: great! thanks :D |
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| 21:10.38 | aka_Bill_Gates | I always have to stop and restart alsa after logging to KDE other it won't work |
| 21:10.46 | SchopfeR | will kdemultimedia, kdegraphics, etc.. from KDE 3.4 keep working with kdelibs and kdebase from cvs ? |
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| 21:13.23 | ppareit | I cannot download the file src for kpager2 (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=7120), anybody has the source? |
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| 21:15.39 | ppareit | ppareit@dmaster:~/Downloads$ tar xzf kpager2-0.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 21:15.39 | ppareit | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 21:15.39 | ppareit | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 21:15.39 | ppareit | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 21:15.58 | ppareit | hmm |
| 21:16.00 | ppareit | never mind |
| 21:16.03 | mathieu | I got some weird.... keyboard problem new with 3.4 |
| 21:16.04 | ppareit | bz2 file.. |
| 21:16.06 | mathieu | only with KDE applications |
| 21:16.13 | PhilRod | Goliath23: haven't got your mail - could you send it to philip.rodrigues@chch.ox.ac.uk please? |
| 21:16.20 | mathieu | modal windows (like CTRL-F find) I can't use the keyboard on them |
| 21:16.29 | SchopfeR | ppareit: tar xvjf kpager2-0.6.0.tar.bz2 |
| 21:16.39 | mathieu | unusable, and some weird case, the mainwindow does not receive any keyboard event either |
| 21:16.46 | mathieu | anyone got that probelm ? |
| 21:17.17 | ppareit | ppareit@dmaster:~/Downloads$ tar xf kpager2-0.6.0.tar |
| 21:17.17 | ppareit | tar: kpager2.kdevelop/doc/en/attention.png: time stamp 2005-03-30 10:21:08 is 39853 s in the future |
| 21:17.18 | Goliath23 | PhilRod: email away |
| 21:17.57 | ppareit | seems that the kpager2-0.6.0.tar.bz2 has problems unpacking, anybody has a good version around? |
| 21:19.14 | illogic-al | well if kdebase breaks you all know who to call |
| 21:20.13 | _Dubhghaill | ghostbusters |
| 21:20.39 | _Dubhghaill | sorry that just reminded me of a old cartoon theme tune |
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| 21:23.43 | aka_Bill_Gates | folks, check this out http://www.m90.org/gallery/video/worldscoolestdog.wmv |
| 21:24.39 | PhilRod | Goliath23: got it - thanks. Looks fine |
| 21:25.05 | Goliath23 | okay, cool, just give me the url of the faq please ;) |
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| 21:25.28 | PhilRod | see topic :-) |
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| 21:26.00 | bushwakko | http://umbc.edu/hase/kde-deskus-survey.html |
| 21:26.22 | apokryphos | aka_Bill_Gates: hehehe |
| 21:26.24 | illogic-al | PhilRod: it's not goatse :-) |
| 21:26.27 | PhilRod | although, inappropriately, that second one is probably less suspect |
| 21:26.48 | apokryphos | Someone posted this earlier in #kubuntu : http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fold.php quality stuff. |
| 21:26.56 | illogic-al | heheh |
| 21:27.24 | aka_Bill_Gates | man, unbelievable |
| 21:28.40 | illogic-al | 4:31. one hour to go. |
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| 21:31.26 | Sizaint | any one know of a player that can play .asx streaming audio files? |
| 21:31.45 | illogic-al | kmplayer |
| 21:32.05 | Sizaint | mplayer says it cant open the stream |
| 21:32.28 | illogic-al | Sizaint: link? |
| 21:32.37 | Sizaint | sec |
| 21:32.47 | illogic-al | maybe you don't have wmp9 dlls |
| 21:32.49 | illogic-al | i can check |
| 21:32.51 | Sizaint | http://www.streamaudio.com/stations/asx/KXRK_FM.asx |
| 21:33.56 | ponto | Sizaint: you can download the .asx file and play the contents with xine or mplayer |
| 21:34.22 | Sizaint | i am emerging xine, but mplayer dosent wana work |
| 21:34.34 | ponto | Sizaint: it's mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM |
| 21:34.46 | ponto | Sizaint: the .asx file is only a playlist |
| 21:34.56 | Sizaint | whuts mms: |
| 21:34.56 | Sizaint | ? |
| 21:34.59 | illogic-al | aye. mplayer works not. |
| 21:35.21 | ponto | Sizaint: just try: xine mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM or mplayer mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM |
| 21:35.24 | illogic-al | xine works though |
| 21:35.51 | Sizaint | Playing mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM. |
| 21:35.52 | Sizaint | Option stream url: This URL doesn't have a hostname part. |
| 21:35.52 | Sizaint | File not found: 'KXRK_FM' |
| 21:35.52 | Sizaint | Failed to open mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM |
| 21:36.04 | Sizaint | thats with mplayer. |
| 21:36.12 | illogic-al | at least i think i did |
| 21:36.46 | mathieu | no one got this keyboard problem with kde 3.4 ? |
| 21:37.28 | illogic-al | which problem is that? |
| 21:37.35 | aka_Bill_Gates | mathieu ?? problem, no I haven't |
| 21:38.57 | aka_Bill_Gates | folks whats the diff betn i386 and i686? |
| 21:39.06 | Sizaint | about 300 |
| 21:39.12 | mathieu | modal window, like the one you get when you hit CTRL-F does not get any keyboard input, so I can't search... neither as hitting esc to give up. I gotta hit cancel, in vain. and in some weird case, the mainwindow of some application (konqueror and kaffeine at least) get no input either |
| 21:39.17 | mathieu | I close the window and open a new one |
| 21:39.44 | mathieu | Sizaint: i300 |
| 21:40.08 | aka_Bill_Gates | and then? |
| 21:40.48 | aka_Bill_Gates | no, have never come across |
| 21:41.16 | mathieu | aka_Bill_Gates: 386 (no optimization) -> 686 (P2 optimization ?? (correct me)) |
| 21:41.45 | aka_Bill_Gates | hmm, |
| 21:41.51 | mathieu | P2 = Intel Pentium 2 |
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| 21:45.32 | SchopfeR | bye |
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| 21:48.08 | eisregen | hi ^^ |
| 21:48.47 | eisregen | anybody got an idea what could possibly cause kopete to crash if I have /tmp on tmpfs ? |
| 21:49.07 | illogic-al | easter |
| 21:49.27 | aka_Bill_Gates | guys, is it true that kget can't handle files larger than 2 gigs? |
| 21:49.45 | illogic-al | nope |
| 21:49.48 | eisregen | illogic-al: funny I must say =) |
| 21:50.53 | Sizaint | how do i open this stream with the gui for xine? |
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| 21:52.17 | Cerulean | Sizaint: "This stream" being what exactly? |
| 21:52.36 | illogic-al | xine KXRK_FM.asx |
| 21:53.04 | Sizaint | no, with the gui |
| 21:53.18 | Sizaint | mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM |
| 21:53.50 | illogic-al | dunno. i downloaded the file and then opened it |
| 21:54.04 | Sizaint | howd you download it |
| 21:54.08 | illogic-al | the gui will show up with that command anyways |
| 21:54.21 | illogic-al | i wgetted the url you gave me |
| 21:54.59 | Sizaint | mms://66.250.188.36/KXRK_FM or the other one |
| 21:55.07 | illogic-al | the other |
| 21:55.57 | illogic-al | you can open that url the same way by doing xine {url} |
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| 21:57.38 | Sizaint | there we go, i added xine as the defaul for .asx files :D |
| 21:57.47 | Sizaint | thx |
| 21:57.58 | illogic-al | that works :-) |
| 21:58.02 | Sizaint | and i didnt wana to open it via command line cos then im stuck with 2 windows :D |
| 21:58.15 | illogic-al | it should work with amarok too since xine can open it. |
| 21:58.28 | Sizaint | hmm |
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| 21:58.33 | Sizaint | i tryed it with amerok |
| 21:58.36 | Sizaint | but |
| 21:58.43 | Sizaint | not like this so |
| 21:58.46 | Sizaint | maybe |
| 22:04.40 | pankey | heh |
| 22:04.50 | pankey | i had some kicker.so errors for cvs |
| 22:04.54 | pankey | but it basicaly worked! |
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| 23:27.41 | satHan | hey, how come some programs start themselves automatically on login, and others never do? |
| 23:28.03 | satHan | I'm trying to get gdesklets to automatically start, but it never does. Rhythmbox on the other hand works fine.. (as do my KDE apps) |
| 23:28.52 | Dhraakellian | kcontrol > kde components > session manager |
| 23:29.48 | Dhraakellian | and there's also a $KDEHOME/Autostart/ dir, iirc |
| 23:29.56 | satHan | Dhraakellian: Ok i'll use the autostart, thanks |
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| 23:31.00 | Dhraakellian | ~/.kde/Autostart/ yep |
| 23:31.18 | satHan | Dhraakellian: so I should symlink stuff into it? |
| 23:31.43 | Dhraakellian | I don't have anything in there |
| 23:31.45 | slayerbob | hiya brucehoult |
| 23:31.49 | satHan | I'll look it up thanks for the pointer |
| 23:31.52 | Dhraakellian | I just have it save my session on logout |
| 23:31.58 | brucehoult | hey slayerbob |
| 23:32.18 | Dhraakellian | kde control center > kde components > session manager |
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| 23:32.21 | brucehoult | how's the garden city? |
| 23:32.32 | satHan | Dhraakellian: same here, but it doesnt save all my apps for some reason |
| 23:32.43 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 23:32.45 | slayerbob | oh it is cold |
| 23:32.47 | Dhraakellian | dunno |
| 23:32.49 | slayerbob | a bit gardeny |
| 23:32.51 | satHan | Dhraakellian: Rhythmbox, but not gdesklets for example |
| 23:33.11 | slayerbob | we are about to head out to con someone into letting us open an internet cafe on their premises |
| 23:33.20 | Dhraakellian | I dunno |
| 23:33.24 | brucehoult | sounds good |
| 23:33.25 | slayerbob | well... is not much of a con since they will make truckloads of $$$ from it too :P |
| 23:33.26 | brucehoult | where? |
| 23:33.35 | slayerbob | geraldine for this particular one |
| 23:33.40 | brucehoult | cool |
| 23:33.45 | slayerbob | it is a surprisingly tourist-active town |
| 23:33.55 | slayerbob | heh |
| 23:34.05 | slayerbob | yeah but fairlie was tourist-dead |
| 23:34.06 | Dhraakellian | out of curiosity, what does gdesklets have that karamba doesn't? |
| 23:34.15 | Dhraakellian | not being a user of either |
| 23:34.25 | slayerbob | i guess the buses just happen to stop in geraldine :P |
| 23:34.38 | brucehoult | I guess |
| 23:34.54 | brucehoult | there's one *really* nice cafe in Geraldine. |
| 23:35.04 | slayerbob | which one ? |
| 23:35.30 | brucehoult | you know where you turn right to go to Fairlie (if you come from Mt Hutt)? |
| 23:35.37 | slayerbob | nope |
| 23:35.41 | brucehoult | about 50m before that turn, on the right |
| 23:35.52 | slayerbob | ah ok :P |
| 23:35.55 | slayerbob | will look out for it |
| 23:36.01 | slayerbob | although we already have one in mind |
| 23:36.33 | brucehoult | otoh, there's a really big (but crap) place rght on that corner that can easily cater for a whole busload or two at once |
| 23:36.46 | slayerbob | heh |
| 23:36.59 | slayerbob | that is the sort of place we are after :P |
| 23:37.09 | Dhraakellian | or was it km? |
| 23:37.17 | brucehoult | there is a much *better* place in Omarama that all the buses stop at |
| 23:37.25 | slayerbob | yup we are going there too :P |
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| 23:37.43 | slayerbob | well... maybe not today |
| 23:37.49 | slayerbob | but it is in the plan |
| 23:37.52 | brucehoult | has the tourist souvenier stuff and dcent food and lots of tables |
| 23:38.02 | slayerbob | and the gliding :P |
| 23:38.11 | brucehoult | yep that too ;-) |
| 23:39.57 | slayerbob | heh |
| 23:40.01 | slayerbob | i figured as much :P |
| 23:40.29 | slayerbob | omarama is a strange town - there is literally nothing there except for accommodation :P |
| 23:41.01 | brucehoult | pretty much |
| 23:42.24 | brucehoult | although there's a s much there as there is in Twizel ;-) |
| 23:42.31 | slayerbob | heh |
| 23:42.42 | slayerbob | we looked at twizel too cos dave thought it would be a good idea :P |
| 23:42.46 | slayerbob | it was completely dead :P |
| 23:42.50 | slayerbob | no surprise there :P |
| 23:42.58 | brucehoult | sounds about right |
| 23:43.11 | slayerbob | although there were several surprisingly large cafes :S |
| 23:43.11 | brucehoult | but then you've spent some time there in your younger days |
| 23:43.22 | slayerbob | argh don't remind me |
| 23:44.26 | brucehoult | what about Tekapo? |
| 23:45.38 | slayerbob | yuppers we looked at that too |
| 23:45.45 | slayerbob | trouble is that the ideal location is being sold :P |
| 23:46.07 | slayerbob | so we are going to keep going back until it is sold and then negotiate with the new owners |
| 23:46.36 | brucehoult | the biiig place with the hoooge windows overlooking a lawn and then the lake? |
| 23:46.50 | slayerbob | cannot quite remember |
| 23:46.53 | slayerbob | but yeah it was big |
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| 23:48.27 | brucehoult | I guess Wanaka and Queenstown are already well-served? |
| 23:48.34 | slayerbob | oh they are both ideal |
| 23:48.51 | slayerbob | trouble with them is the requirement of a $50k+ key deposit to get a location |
| 23:49.17 | slayerbob | we are looking at arrowtown though :P |
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| 23:49.35 | brucehoult | yeah turista thick on th gound there |
| 23:49.40 | slayerbob | aye :P |
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| 23:51.09 | mpupu | i have a small question: |
| 23:51.26 | mpupu | when you move your mouse over one of the kde menu entries, a submenu automatically appears |
| 23:51.36 | slayerbob | nice |
| 23:51.36 | mpupu | however, this doesn't happen if you move using the keyboard |
| 23:51.56 | mpupu | i'm talking about the kde menu in the kicker (the one you get when you press the little K) |
| 23:51.59 | slayerbob | hit the right arrow key |
| 23:52.16 | mpupu | that's right, i have to hit the right arrow |
| 23:52.27 | mpupu | why is that? |
| 23:52.36 | slayerbob | i presume it is for performance |
| 23:52.56 | mpupu | but then, why different behaviours for keyboard and mouse input? |
| 23:53.04 | sarah03 | mpupu: Probably because, when you're navigating with the keyboard, it doesn't know where you really want to go. |
| 23:53.05 | mpupu | especially when keyboard is usually much slower |
| 23:53.10 | slayerbob | well it is hard to hit the right arrow key with the mouse :) |
| 23:53.19 | mpupu | sarah03: it helps when trying to find a program in one of the submenus |
| 23:53.38 | mpupu | slayerbob: the thing is, i think the mouse behaviour should be the "expected" behaviour |
| 23:53.45 | mpupu | just like osx or gnome, iirc |
| 23:54.48 | sarah03 | I expect the behaviour of submenus automatically expanding when I'm moving the mouse around; I don't expect it when I'm navigating with the keyboard. |
| 23:54.53 | slayerbob | mpupu: i am sure you can change it if you want to - that is one of the cool things about open source software :) |
| 23:55.13 | slayerbob | however the current behaviour is good for most people |
| 23:55.56 | mpupu | sarah03: why is that? i would like to know any reasons |
| 23:56.58 | mpupu | sarah03: as far as i'm concerned, it's easier to find entries in the submenus, and i guess the overhead isn't that much |
| 23:57.13 | mpupu | sarah03: plus, there's the inconsistency |
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| 23:58.38 | sarah03 | mpupu: It's not really inconsistent though - it's fair to assume that if you stop your mouse over something, that's where you want to go; if you stop the focus over something when navigating with the keyboard, it's not necessarily so fair to do so, because you could just as easily be a very slow typist. |
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