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00:21.41_apollo2011_How do I set the settings for the printer like to print in Draft by default after I set up with YaST using LPRng?
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01:19.51kolieIf i let KDE sit for about 10 minutes, it finally gets to the desktop, otherwise ksplash opens for a little bit then goes away, and just shows the desktop. Why is my kde taking so long to start.
01:20.17simmerzhow do i make kdm start xmodmap when it runs?
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01:22.48j0sephln -s it to the Autostart folder
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01:32.27kolieIs it possible its taking forever because its trying to read something, say a floppy, that doesnt exist?
01:33.02thiagokolie: NFS home?
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01:33.13koliewhat? no. its all ext3
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01:33.59thiagocan you check what processes are running during that time nothing is being shown?
01:34.12thiagois anything getting logged to ~/.xsession-errors?
01:34.32kolieit hangs on itializing services, for awhile, then the ksplash goes away, then a minute later it says there is no /dev/dsp, then i hit ok, then like 5 min later KDE finally starts
01:34.39kolielet me check.
01:36.22koliebad font path element..... kdesktop error: coldnt create slave : unable to creat io-slace.... other then that it looks standard.. like i said, kde starts, eventually.
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01:40.37TomWittHey, everybody.  I have a konqueror question I'm hoping someone can help me with.
01:41.29TomWittWhen in directory browsing mode, every folder/directory I double click on starts mplayer instead of opening the directory.
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01:42.08TomWittWould anyone have any suggestions about which preference settings to check to correct this behavior?
01:42.57thiagokolie: can you paste to a paste bin the exact messages?
01:43.15thiagoTomWitt: the associations to inode/directory
01:43.21kolieno.... i cant copy and paste from nano, not smart enough...
01:43.24thiagoif mplayer isn't listed there, try the ones in all/*
01:43.35thiagokolie: so why are you using it?
01:43.42TomWittthiago, thanks; I'll check that now
01:43.57koliebecause I dont have KDE working properly?
01:44.20thiagokolie: use cat, less, etc. whatever.
01:44.31kolieok and then how do i get that into a paste bin
01:44.47thiagouse a browser
01:45.03thiagogo to http://rafb.net/paste and paste there
01:45.11koliewill links work? cause thats all i got.
01:45.16TomWittthiago: You da man!  That fixed me right up.  I would never have thought to check there.
01:45.31thiagokolie: we can hope :)
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01:45.46kolielet me move my laptop to the corner of the room that gets the internet.
01:45.47kolie:)
01:47.22troyanyone know any good gui interfaces to convert divx to vcd-ready mpegs?
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01:49.56koliethiago, the best i could do www.stillyourpresident.com/.xsession-errors
01:50.51koliei used kill to close kde.
01:51.01koliethats why it gets a child killed.
01:51.13koliebut kde started all the way, just took 100 years.
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01:53.31ahumanIt seems I've lost the Konqueror side panel (or whatever) ... all those Clock, Star and Folder icons on the left .see here: http://www.novell.com/documentation/nld/index.html?page=/documentation/nld/userguide_kde/data/sec.kdenew.konqui.html
01:57.02thiagokolie: sorry... there's nothing there that explains why it's so slow
01:57.06thiagosorry I can't help
01:57.49koliedamn, thanks anyways.
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02:04.40punkcutwhats the app in kde called that allows you to edit runlevel services?
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02:24.55DebianTUXAlgum brazuca presente?
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02:25.56thiagoyep
02:26.12thiagothis channel is English only, so come to #kde-brasil if you want to talk in Portuguese
02:26.28DebianTUXthiago, thanks
02:27.05Dhraakelliannisi pecunium omnem mihi dabis, at capit tuum saxem immane mittam?
02:29.11thiagocan't translate that
02:29.25koliehow do i change runlevel at boottime, my 5 is fuxxored
02:29.34thiagosaxem is not a known word
02:29.57thiagopecunium is probably misspelt, because genetive plural doesn't make sense at that position
02:30.57koliehow do i setup my xorg.conf properly, make KDM default, and have it start on boot?
02:31.28thiagokolie: you change the default runlevel by editing /etc/inittab. You can change the runlevel at boot time by adding the runlevel number to your kernel command-line
02:31.53kolieyea that end of the kernel line thing didnt work... i am using my install cd to mount my /
02:32.35Dhraakellianthiago, heh...
02:32.52Dhraakelliansaxxum, perhaps
02:33.07kolieok i changed my default run level.
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02:33.18thiagostill unknown
02:33.31koliewhat about doing the xorg.conf and making kdm run?
02:33.38thiago"unless you give me all the money, I will seize all your huge ... "
02:33.48Dhraakellianfling an enormous rock at your head
02:34.12Dhraakellianthe two preceding words are "catapultum habeo"
02:34.19thiagohmm... saxum
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02:35.36thiagoI can't account for "at capit"
02:35.48koliehave a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head
02:35.52kolie:)
02:36.10thiagoah!
02:36.36thiagoyou wrote, "unless you give me all money's, he catches, I will cast your huge rock"
02:37.18koliefark now its stuck after loading module ndiswrapper.
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02:37.46koliestupid #gentoo screwed me over.
02:38.03Dhraakellianheh
02:38.13DhraakellianIt's been a few years since I took latin
02:38.54Dhraakelliancast an enormous rock at your head
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02:39.33mattrhowdy
02:39.41kolieCUM CATAPULTAE PROSCRIPTAE ERUNT TUM SOLI PROSCRIPT CATAPULTAS HABEBUNT
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02:42.27tmortonI
02:42.28tmortonErr
02:42.45tmortonI'm getting an error from kaudiocreator: "trying to create local folder: Invalid argument"
02:42.53mattrnever seen that
02:42.54thiagoyou probably meant "nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, in capite tuo saxum immane mittam"
02:43.04tmortonHere's an strace:
02:43.07tmortonErr
02:43.19tmortonI'll put it in a paste service
02:43.20mattrnice strace. ;)
02:43.49DhraakellianI've seen that before, I think
02:44.00tmortonhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/bSqysv77.html
02:44.02Dhraakellianthiago, yes on "pecuniam"
02:44.26tmortonAny ideas?
02:45.13mattryeah, kaudiocreator doesn't quote the directories
02:45.19tmortonWorkaround?
02:45.22mattrs/quote/esacpe
02:45.23mattrnone
02:45.36tmortonDamn :(
02:46.09dwangoi love fish:/
02:47.47Dhraakelliantmorton, just use audiocd:/
02:47.59Dhraakellianalthough that doesn't give you the most control over tagging
02:48.05mattrkaudiocreator uses audiocd:/ as a backend...
02:48.20tmortonDhraakellian,  yeh, that's what I'm doing--but you're write about tagging...
02:48.26koliehow do i remove XDM from a runlevel
02:49.01mattrkolie: usually it involves editing the /etc/inittab file, but it all depends on your distro
02:49.16Dhraakellianlike the way konqueror's settings are available in kcontro
02:49.25Dhraakellianor something like that
02:49.29kolieim using gentoo
02:49.48mattrkolie: rc-update del xdm default
02:49.54mattrkolie: requires root
02:50.54kolieI booted off the gentoo install cd
02:51.01koliecause i cant boot into my install
02:51.06kolieie, rc-update wont work
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02:51.50mattrkolie: mount your normal root partition on /mnt/gentoo and chroot in and change it
02:52.05koliechroot?
02:52.36kolieo yea
02:52.36koliechroot
02:52.37koliei remeber
02:52.39mattr(only because a chroot is part of the install process)
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02:52.55koliei was thinking of something else.
02:53.05kolieright now im questiong everything i know, the system is so fux.
02:53.33kolieok i think this will fix it.
02:54.41koliehah. ok i got login
02:55.06koliewhat the f. startx works. ....
02:56.02kolierunning KDM works as well...
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03:06.05kolieAnyone know why my KDE takes 10 minutes to start all the way?
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03:13.33[_]illogic-alhola mattr
03:14.58grepperkolie: check if the loopback is up
03:15.06koliehow?
03:15.13grepper/sbin/ifconfig
03:15.25kolieahh, yea i remember, how do i turn it on at boot
03:15.35grepperis it up or not ?
03:15.40grepperwas that the problem ?
03:15.41kolieit wasnt
03:15.43koliethats the problem
03:15.49grepperwhat distro ?
03:15.50koliebut how do i turn it on a boot
03:15.51koliegentoo
03:15.52mattrrc-update add net.lo boot
03:16.07kolieits already on at boot...
03:16.15mattrthen there's something wrong with /etc/conf.d/net
03:16.33kolieahh shit i see why.
03:16.35mattror /etc/rc.conf
03:17.15kolienah, i forgot my net.wlan0 was a symlink
03:17.20kolieto net.lo
03:17.27kolieand i made some specific changes.
03:18.06koliehopefully KDM starts...
03:18.21kolieok... now kde's turn.
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03:19.04koliewhat does initializing system services do?
03:19.07kolieit takes forever..
03:19.15mattrstarts everything you need
03:19.17mattrdcop server, etc
03:19.30mattrthe reason it takes forever is probably because name lookups fail
03:19.30kolieits still taking forever to start KDE
03:19.36mattrdo you have your hostname in /etc/hosts
03:19.52kolieyea...
03:19.57koliewhat should my ifconfig look like
03:19.59mattrlo is up, right?
03:20.02illogic-allol
03:20.07kolieits up, i dont think it has an ip though
03:20.12mattrwell, it needs an up
03:20.15mattrerr, ip
03:20.19mattr127.0.0.1 actually
03:20.20kolieall i did was emerge kdebase-kdestart then the meta or so,ething
03:21.09kolieyea i gave it an ip
03:21.10kolieit worked :)
03:21.14koliei love you.
03:22.43mattrkolie: now the catch is to make sure things work correctly on a reboot
03:22.48koliethye do
03:22.52koliei have it setup so it does :P
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03:23.30kolieim resetting anyways though..
03:23.32_brian_hi
03:23.52koliehey, i burnt an iso :)
03:23.57koliethat was cool.
03:24.15kolielike at a command line.
03:24.47kolieyea its working.
03:25.00koliehmm now im going to figure out how to get sound working.
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03:33.17scrooge:D
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03:40.36kolieOk i think i got sound working, how do i change the volume
03:42.55mattrkolie: it sounds like you could use a general linux help channel
03:43.07mattrkolie: try #lfd or #linux maybe
03:43.33mattrkolie: although you could try running alsamixer and changing the volumes that way, or use KMix
03:43.35kolief'er i didnt hear anything
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04:00.30koliehaha whos got audio now bitch!
04:00.59illogic-alyou?
04:01.39koliehell yes. :)
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04:16.51ballzeewhat can i use to make a nice receipts?
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04:25.04mattrtime for bed. night all
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04:25.40SuperLagwhat is kded?
04:26.17illogic-alpure awesomeness
04:26.25illogic-alin a can
04:28.09SuperLagOkay... then why would it take 99.9% of my CPU resources?
04:29.33illogic-alit's supposed to load parts ok kde into memory so that they are easier to access
04:30.50illogic-al'ps ax|grep kded' to see if you can find what exactly is doing it (I'd think it's something managed by kded)
04:31.42illogic-albah. useless ps ax|grep kdeinit maybe
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04:58.24illogic-albobbyz:  ~/.local/blaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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05:09.38closurehello
05:09.42closureanyone around?
05:09.45closurei've got a question
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05:10.05closurei am running KDE 3.4 i'm trying to set it up to run mozilla by default as the web browser
05:10.12closurebut have the argument to open in a new tab
05:10.18closuredoes anyone know how to do this?
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05:37.09bobbyzthanks
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05:58.29Borg^QueenHey people.
05:58.40Borg^QueenWhat replaces audio:/ in kde 3.4?
05:58.54Borg^QueenI wanted to use konq to rip an audio cd
06:01.12cartel_borg^Queen: audiocd:/
06:01.19Borg^QueenThank you
06:01.26cartel_Borg^Queen: f9 :)
06:01.36Borg^Queenf9?
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06:02.42Borg^Queencartel_:  and once again you have proven Bill Gates correct, "there is no support for gnu linux"
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06:04.01DhraakellianBorg^Queen, F9 in konqueror shows/hides the sidebar
06:04.09Borg^QueenAye, I know
06:04.11Dhraakellian"navigation panel," I think it's called
06:04.15Dhraakellianhehheh
06:04.24Borg^QueenWhy did you use it, is it a face?
06:04.43Dhraakellian,':-|
06:05.19Borg^QueenAh ok
06:05.23Borg^QueenOdd faces
06:06.13Borg^QueenIn any case, thanks.
06:06.16Borg^QueenGood night to all
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06:23.25JapsuHey, I have a working pppd config and chatscripts set up on my laptop for GPRS access over Bluetooth. However, I'd like to use KPPP for activating the connection.
06:23.57JapsuCan KPPP be configured to just run pppd with the specified arguments ("pppd call gprs")? Without specifying the connection settings in KPPP, that is?
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06:31.30kaffienanyone here use vpn's to contact work?
06:31.41kaffienim having issues with getting kde on a vpn
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06:36.55chakiehm, kmail has totally broken down for me when used with an imap server. it detects no new mail and always shows the first mail in INBOX without body. older mails are shown ok, but maybe they are cached locally? sending works as it should
06:37.25chakiethe mail server is ok, a webmail client shows the stuff just fine
06:37.41chakiehard to report a bug as it seems so "general" somehow
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06:39.10Japsuhmm
06:39.18JapsuI don't have such problems with kmail and IMAP
06:39.32chakiehas worked ok for a year before that (bar a few crashes)
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06:42.36chakiei'll try nuking all settings i find for it
06:43.35chakieis disconnected imap safe for normal use now?
06:44.09chakieanyone had their mailboxes chewed up with kmail from kde 3.4?
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06:59.57huntharoI'm working on debugging a problem in an X-Server that is manifested by KDE.
07:00.24huntharoThe problem is that when you open the "K" menu or have any application not-minimized, then the X-Server CPU usage jumps to 100% and stays there.
07:00.33chakieugh, now all imap folders are fscked up. all show only one mail and without body
07:00.47huntharoThe usage seems to be caused by a valid X Request sequence, which is:
07:01.20huntharoX_CreateGC, X_ChangeGC, X_ChangeGC, X_CopyArea, X_FreeGC, repeated thousands of times.
07:01.52huntharoIf you minimize all apps and allow the "K" menu to close, then the usage drops back down to 1%.
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07:02.33chakiehm, the shown mail is the first to be put in the folders, ie the oldest one
07:02.49huntharoDoes this strike anyone as being related to anything in particular?  I'm wondering if one of our return values is messed up, causing the sequence to keep repeating.
07:07.58chakie"disconnected imap" shows the imap data ok. i'll try that from now on
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07:11.48LewocoIn firefox it's not possible to force the browser to open a file with the wrong mime type (or extension) as html. Is this possible in konqueror?
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07:34.51servusps augwx | awk '/kde/i {mem+=$4;} END{print mem;}': 94.6 -- That's 94.6% of my 512MB of RAM and I have nothing else open except for XChat and Konsole... Nice : o)
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07:36.01sarah03servus: That's on the assumption that %mem only counts memory that is only in use by a single process and resident.
07:36.26servus`top` agrees with the results.
07:36.37servusThe point is... Ouch. Restarting X now, see ya!
07:36.39sarah03Anything mapped in read-only, or read-write but unchaged, have the same physical memory pages.
07:36.56sarah03[For the same segment of any given file, anyway.]
07:36.59servusI have 50MB of RAM left...
07:37.12servusAnyway... something is amiss.
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07:41.52servuskillall -9 "*kde*"
07:42.04servusMuch better.
07:42.25sarah03servus: If you don't mind my saying so, having free memory *does* mean something is wrong. It means that your OS isn't doing it's job, as it should be trying to cache as much as it possibly can off disk.
07:43.02canllaithapt: memusage
07:43.03apti heard memusage is http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=175419
07:43.04servusHaving Konsole act painfully slow on an unloaded 2.2GHz processor with 512MB of RAM means something else is wrong, too.
07:43.08canllaithTry reading that servus
07:43.22servusHow will implementation details help an enduser?
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07:43.31canllaithand yes, it does. Konsole and indeed all of KDE runs fast and snappy on my 700MHz/256MB
07:43.47canllaithSo there is definitely something wrong there.
07:44.23canllaith... but 50MB  memory free is not it, and if you read that link you'd understand why :)
07:44.51servusYes, after restarting X it is much quicker.
07:45.18servusSounds like a memory leak, mmm? Seems like when Firefox gets out of hand and spinlocks -- as it is more than happy to do -- it causes this behaviour
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07:46.02canllaithUnless that memory leak is causing you to hit swap constantly, it shouldn't do that.
07:46.04canllaithHeya PhilRod :)
07:46.10servusWhich is curious, because when Firefox locks up, `top` shows the CPU being allocated to X.
07:46.17PhilRodmorning canllaith :-)
07:46.22canllaithHow you going? :)
07:46.25servusNo, it has nothing to do with hard drive thrashing. It's just general... slowness./
07:46.59strawservus: what's your video card?
07:47.00sarah03Hm. I never get Firefox locking up; it just goes boom.
07:48.10servusI am running a VIA Unichrome that I set up for DRI with full acceleration.
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07:48.15canllaithWow, this trackpoint style mice are bloody annoying
07:48.45strawservus: is the render extension accelerated on that hardware?
07:48.57sarah03canllaith: Hm, they are a bit on the annoying side. Once you get used to them, they aren't so bad, though.
07:49.02servusI am using the proper drivers, yes.
07:49.19canllaithsarah03: I've never used one before - I imagine I will get used to it, yeah :)
07:49.33canllaithand the build quality and general linux niceness of an IBM does make up for the trackpoint
07:49.45slayerbob:o
07:49.53servusIt really is just a memory leak issue -- restarting X helps things considerably, until I abuse Firefox again. I'm not too concerned about it.
07:49.57canllaithslayerbob: brucehoult got himself a t22 and I'm playing with it :)
07:50.05slayerbobwhat is a t22 ?
07:50.07sarah03I've used multiple of them... one thing which might make it a bit less uncomfortable to use is to see if you can find a new eraserhead for it.
07:50.10canllaithslayerbob: same as oti
07:50.31canllaith900MHz/2.5KG/256MB/14.1"
07:50.41slayerbobso it is a notebook then ?
07:50.43canllaithYes
07:50.47slayerbobright :)
07:50.55canllaithNah, it's a 2.5KG IBM desktop ;)
07:50.58canllaith:P
07:51.00slayerboboh nice
07:51.02sarah03lol
07:51.07slayerbobone of those little cases like the shuttle ones then ? :P
07:51.14slayerbobor more like a mac mini ?
07:51.16canllaith:P
07:51.18canllaithYou're a goose
07:51.20slayerbob:P
07:51.23slayerbobi tries :P
07:51.38sarah03slayerbob: Damn, I was going to say that.
07:51.50canllaithIt has a nice feeling keyboard
07:51.56canllaithalmost as nice as those two dell's at franz
07:52.02servusFor my next computer, I should forego the case and just coat the motherboard in some sort of heat-conductive acrylic.
07:52.35sarah03IBM does have the nice laptop keyboard thing going on, that is for certain.
07:53.11sarah03I wish I could rip the keyboard off of the dead IBM laptop that I've got here and toss it into one of the toshiba laptops that I have ...
07:53.12PhilRodwooo, www.dilbert.com is particularly good today :-)
07:53.21sarah03But unfortunately that doesn't work too terribly well.
07:55.25slayerbobsarah03: you could try it anyway :P
07:55.29slayerbobwhat is the worst that could happen ?
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07:55.49sarah03slayerbob: Besides for the fact that the connector won't fit anyway?
07:56.10slayerbobjust use some duct-tape to connect the relevant conductors together
07:56.34sarah03Pfft.
07:56.41slayerbobman having the internet at home has put me in a good mood today :P
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08:43.32bagginshey
08:43.39slayerbobgreetings
08:43.45bagginsi have a big bunch of kio_thumbnail processes lying around.
08:44.15bagginsbill@bagend:~ > psfl | grep kio_thumbnail | wc -l
08:44.15baggins375
08:46.04bagginsok, i just killall -9 them
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09:09.15theoskHi
09:09.22theoska total noobie question ;)
09:10.15theoskI just installed Ubuntu for the first time, and i have almost no linux knowledge, what steps should i follow to install the debian kde packages?
09:11.28mobtektry an ubuntu channel :)
09:11.58theoskok, ty
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09:46.11voltykde-3.3.2, konqueror, select word with mouse, right button and context menu appears (copy text, seach google...), is it possibile to add other handlers and how?
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09:51.08codinhow can I change the window manager ?
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10:32.18kaeptnbcodin: dont change the windowmanager with kde
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10:38.05sunrumedia:// doesn't work with drag 'n' drop
10:38.09sunrucomn
10:38.12sunru:D
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10:38.37iradwhere the icon of the kmenu is located?
10:39.03PhilRodcodin: with the KDEWM environment variable
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10:43.49codinthanks
10:46.19sunrumedia:// doesn't work with drag n drop
10:46.24sunrushould fix it
10:46.26kaeptnbhm. does this work well? i thought kde is very depending on kwin ...
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10:46.41sunruJediMaster:
10:47.37DarthSunmuahahaha
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10:50.28sunruweak jedis
10:56.42JediMasterhey, that wasn't fair, I wasn't looking!
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11:49.00fbtabhi all
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11:49.53fbtabi was wondering if someone could help me, when plugging in a usb disk, the kernel contacts hotplug to load the correct module, what then mounts the disk and gets kde to create the icon on the desktop?
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12:21.51voltykde-3.3.2, konqueror, select word with mouse, right button and context menu appears (copy text, seach google...), is it possibile to add other handlers and how?
12:25.00ManLordHOW to start 2 instances of kaffeine?
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12:45.59Steve973anyone know why i have to start the gnome control center to have my gtk apps reflect my chosen gnome theme when i run them in kde?
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12:46.36peratuHi,
12:48.57PhilRodSteve973: take a look at (KDE) control center-> appearance & themes -> colours
12:49.09PhilRodmake sure "apply KDE colours to other ..." is unchecked
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13:05.12voltykde-3.3.2, konqueror, select word with mouse, right button and context menu appears (copy text, seach google...), is it possibile to add other handlers and how?
13:06.00PhilRodfrom the mailing list, it looks like no
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13:06.15PhilRodyou can request it as a wishlist on bugs.kde.org
13:06.38voltyto me? thx :)
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13:25.28nexuany recommendations on sweet k* desktop utils ? (such as kxdocker, erss)
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13:53.11CascadeHushgreetings
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13:56.13da_bon_bonhi all
13:56.14da_bon_bonhey, in restart button of kde, theres a small black triangle, which pops up and lets me select the next os - i think it uses grub to detect the os's -- but if i select say, slackware, it doesnt work. still grub selects windows during next reboot, which, incidentally, i have set to be defualt
13:56.16CascadeHushI prefer to use the External Taskbar, and was wondering if it was possible to remove the taskbar from the main bear
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13:57.26CascadeHushinteresting to know, but I'll have to look out for that
13:57.52_Heathen_Just installed KDE 3.3 using emerge on Gentoo 2005, for some reason everything looks very grainy.  It seems to help when I change the blending, but I can't get it perfect, any ideas?
13:57.52CascadeHushgrup didn't detect windows here, I had to ask someone how to configure it to get windows back
13:59.42floyd_n_milancan anyone provide me with good links about dcop?
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14:00.39Nextorhi! How can I deactivate the taskbar balloon tips
14:00.40Nextor?
14:07.31PhilRodfloyd_n_milan: the following two links have information:
14:07.33PhilRod~ug
14:07.34aptrumour has it, ug is http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/userguide/
14:07.35PhilRod~dcoptut
14:07.36apt[dcoptut] http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/36/KDE_Scripting_DCOP.pdf
14:07.54PhilRodin the user guide, see the "scripting the desktop" section
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14:08.13floyd_n_milanoh thanks
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14:08.26floyd_n_milanim reading an article in linux gazette right now... :)
14:08.31PhilRodNextor: control center -> desktop -> panel -> somewhere under "advanced"
14:08.43PhilRod_Heathen_: do you have a screenshot?
14:09.09PhilRodCascadeHush: click on the little handle next to the taskbar, and click "remove taskbar"
14:09.53_Heathen_PhilRod: Lemme snap one for you
14:10.06PhilRodif you've removed applet handles, the setting to restore them is somewhere in control center -> desktop -> panel -> advanced
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14:10.41_Heathen_actually ive realized kpersonalizer never ran, perhaps if i run it i wont have the problem?  i'm trying to find it in the menu to start it
14:10.49pholieHello, is there any official KDE buglist so I don´t report something that is already reported?
14:10.59PhilRodjust Alt+F2, kpersonalizer should work
14:11.10_Heathen_Okay thanks
14:11.12PhilRodpholie: bugs.kde.org has a wizard, which searches through existing bugs
14:11.16da_bon_bonhey, in restart button of kde, theres a small black triangle, which pops up and lets me select the next os - i think it uses grub to detect the os's -- but if i select say, slackware, it doesnt work. still grub selects windows during next reboot, which, incidentally, i have set to be defualt
14:11.29_Heathen_ah that's handy =)
14:11.55pholieah, da_bon_bon is here :)
14:12.10da_bon_bonpholie: so are u :)
14:12.23PhilRodpholie: I wrote an article about bugs.kde.org for dot.kde.org - search for 10,000 on dot.kde.org and you'll probably find it
14:12.40da_bon_bonso, does kde integrate and interface with grub ?
14:13.03PhilRod_Heathen_: I have to go out for a bit. Paste the screenie here: someone might be able to help. Please also privmsg the link  to me, and I'll take a look when I get back
14:14.56_Heathen_Okay thanks
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14:18.08_Heathen_Anyone interested in screenshots of my messed up desktop:
14:18.19_Heathen_www.geocities.com/mykothopea/desktop.png and desktop1.png
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14:20.41jetsaredimas opposed to "one" or "all"
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14:21.38da_bon_bonhey, in restart button of kde, theres a small black triangle, which pops up and lets me select the next os - i think it uses grub to detect the os's -- but if i select say, slackware, it doesnt work. still grub selects windows during next reboot, which, incidentally, i have set to be defualt
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14:35.03jetsaredimanyone?
14:35.21jetsaredimI'm trying to get a certain app to appear on 2 of 3 virtual desktops
14:35.27Tm_Tah
14:35.33jetsaredimbut the menus don't seem to lend themselves to this
14:35.40jetsaredimwhere are these settings kept?
14:35.41Tm_Tnow you asking a very interesting question =)
14:38.45jetsaredimso, what's the answer?
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14:44.54CascadeHushPhilRod: A belated thanks for the tip about the taskbar...
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14:54.51jetsaredimis kde 3.4 much better than kde 3.3?
14:55.54Zalamanderjetsaredim it has some neat additions. KMail authentication is much improved -- that's one thing I've noticed.
14:56.07jetsaredimneh - i don't use kmail
14:56.51Zalamanderjetsaredim maybe you'd like to specify what would make it "better" for you, and someone can tell you if 3.4 does that :-)
14:57.05jetsaredimwell - its not that i have any problems with 3.3
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14:57.20jetsaredimjust wondering if there were any "gee whiz" features
14:58.06floyd_n_milananyone using krusader?
14:58.30ZalamanderWell, I'm quite happy to see the sub-anchor bug fixed in konqueror.
14:58.31floyd_n_milanjetsaredim, i can't directly comment on that, but i find myself loving KDE 3.4
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14:58.44jetsaredimok
14:59.02jetsaredimwell - one thing that I'd like is to be able to get a window in 2 of 3 vir desktops
14:59.06Zalamanderjetsaredim some people find "fast-user-switching" pretty spiffy
14:59.15jetsarediminstead of all or one
14:59.35jetsaredimI'm a lovely linux user wherever i am
14:59.40jetsaredim*lonely
14:59.45Zalamanderjetsaredim yeah, I was just poking around the window settings menus. Very intricate, but I didn't see an option that would do that.
15:00.06jetsaredimit must be a setting somewhere, but can't figure out where
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15:00.51ZalamanderI am having problems with kicker, when I highlight text in a large <textarea> kicker freezes for 7 seconds or so. Every time.
15:01.16Zalamanderthat could be one drawback to 3.4 ;-)
15:01.28Zalamanderthere are some apps too. Like Akregator
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15:18.51PhilRod_Heathen_: your display is set to 8 or 16 bit, I think
15:18.59PhilRodchange the depth in xorg.conf
15:20.07illogic-alfloyd_n_milan: Dhraakellian does i think
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15:23.00floyd_n_milanis he/she here?
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15:29.13ZalamanderWhat do I need to enable to have my korganizer events pop up notices? I have events that are scheduled to notify me, but I have inadvertantly turned off something that enables the alarms, and I'm not sure what?
15:29.35Zalamanderis it kalarm?
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15:36.26PhilRodyeah, the korganizer alarm daemon
15:36.34PhilRodor something along those lines
15:37.28StevenRZalamander: korgac
15:39.09PhilRod~servicemenus
15:39.10apthmm... servicemenus is http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/dot/servicemenus.html
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15:48.08ZalamanderStevenR thanks. I found and enabled kalarmd, which seems to do the trick. What is the difference between kalarmd and korgac?
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15:48.47StevenRZalamander: i think kalarmd is standalone, but korgac integrates with kontact/korganiser
15:48.56StevenRZalamander: but im not entirely certain :)
15:49.24ZalamanderOK. It appears that I already did have korgac running. So I guess I need both
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15:57.14titouhi
15:57.24srednaHello *
15:57.25titouhow can i do to start a new session with KDE 3.4 ?
15:57.37titouthe « launch new session » does not exist anymore in 3.4 :(
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15:58.34srednatitou: You need to use KDM to have that, and afaik KDM from the same kde version
15:58.41srednaI have it here ;)
15:58.43azazellohi, how do I force a window to live in the system tray in the window-specific preferences?
15:58.49titousredna: i use KDM
15:58.59titouand the KDM version is 3.4
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15:59.22srednaazazello: Not
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15:59.28FlendorHello.
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15:59.37srednaHi Flendor :)
15:59.48azazellosredna: not what?
16:00.05titousredna: at the place of the old « launch new session » i just have « change user » but i can't create "new" user session :(
16:00.08azazellonot possible? :/
16:00.17FlendorHey there sredna, how are you?
16:00.38titouannma: kiss miss :p
16:00.57srednaazazello: No, you can't make that a window setting afaik
16:01.19azazellothat sucks
16:01.42titousredna: so, you don't have any ideas ? :/
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16:02.02srednaFlendor: http://83.73.143.23:8003/summer.jpg 8)
16:02.10StevenRtitou: i have switch user --> Lock current seesion and start new session
16:02.17mikeois there a way to make the mouseover preview size bigger?
16:02.22mikeofor pictures and stuff
16:02.26StevenRtitou: ans start new session too
16:02.26srednatitou: No, it exists here
16:02.28titouStevenR: why i don't have this ?
16:02.49titouthis option is in a separate "package" ?
16:03.02srednaazazello: You can change the command for your app to use ksystraycmd
16:03.10srednatitou: Nope, it
16:03.13srednaS part of kdm
16:03.30srednatitou: Did you change your X installation or settings?
16:03.38titounop
16:03.50azazellosredna: that's the same as checking "put in system tray" in the .desktop shortcut, right? I don't think that works if the app spawns new windows
16:04.09srednaazazello: No, that is right
16:04.11titoui just upgrade my system to use KDE 3.4
16:04.12FlendorOh, let me see that sredna
16:04.49srednaFlendor: First day wqearing shorts ;)
16:04.54StevenRtitou: check the settings in kdmrc
16:05.14StevenRmikeo: i dont think so
16:05.24FlendorHehe :)
16:05.29FlendorIt's not that warm in here yet..
16:05.43FlendorIs that your garden, by chance?
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16:05.46srednaI love it :-)
16:06.09FlendorI need to go to the outdoors more often..I've become a real couch potato :/
16:06.12azazelloalso, what's the deal with the K menu letter shortcuts? When I open the K menu and press a letter, it toggles underlining the entry that starts with that letter, instead of launching it. Can I use a letter to launch the corresponding entry?
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16:06.17srednaFlendor: Yep, that is just outside my house
16:06.35FlendorNice :) It's almost impossible to get a house with a garden in Istanbul :(
16:07.01srednaFlendor: Oh, I live in the far side.. gardens are standard here :-)
16:07.04titouStevenR: do you know the correct line i need to have in the kdmrc to have this option ?
16:07.05FlendorNice goatee BTW :)
16:07.26StevenRtitou: no, not right now...search for vt
16:07.32FlendorMy father would really love a house with a garden.. He would immensely enjoy gardening and growing some veggies :)
16:07.52Flendor"Let me see you make decisions..without your television.."
16:08.36titoui found anything :(
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16:09.12srednaazazello: Here it selects the entry, so I can launch it by pressing ret
16:09.30StevenRtitou: search for session, ans similar terms, dont serach using case sensitiveness
16:10.23azazellosredna: yeah, but is there any way to launch it by pressing that single letter if it's unambiguous?
16:10.38srednaazazello: Not that I know of
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16:16.21bogardhiyo: got the following output whenever i try to run a kde-app (or kde itself): kio (KSycoca): WARNING: Found version 72, expecting version 79 or higher..... surfing the web i found hints to empty /tmp. also i deleted ~/.kde*. but in the end i am stuck with this error. anybody got a hint or maybe some faq-entry ?
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16:17.37azazellocan I add standby/hibernate buttons to the kde shutdown dialog?
16:17.43azazellothey're not there by default
16:18.00azazelloalso is there a way to change the picture it shows? :)
16:18.22PhilRodbogard: do your KDE apps run correctly?
16:19.06bogardPhilRod: nope, every application gives this error, so all file-based operation such as open-dialogues aren't working
16:19.28bogardPhilRod: cept for these errors apps like smb4k run fine
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16:20.52StevenRazazello: what buttons do you get currently?
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16:21.09PhilRodin general, warnings should be harmless. That one means that your SYstem COnfiguration CAche (sycoca) is an older version
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16:21.15PhilRodlet me find out where it lives
16:21.40bogardmh, got an error also: kbuildsycoca: ERROR creating database '/var/tmp/kdecache-bogard/ksycoca'!
16:22.10bogardresulting in e.g. "unknown protocol: file" when trying to open files
16:23.17bogardouh, just seeing it now, maybe i should reset /var/tmp also ?
16:23.27PhilRodworth a try
16:23.31PhilRodthen restart KDE
16:24.18FlendorHello Phil :) How are you?
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16:25.53PhilRodheya Flendor :-)
16:26.13StevenRhow do i enable icon zooming in kde 3.4 for kicker?
16:26.23PhilRodnot so bad - I need to be working harder for exams, but I can't motivate myself :-)
16:26.31FlendorHeh, I have the same problem..
16:26.36PhilRodStevenR: if you mean the old "icons get bigger" thing, you can't
16:26.54Flendor..promise yourself that you will go to a bar and get some nice drinks if you pass all of them ;)
16:27.00StevenRPhilRod: i c....grrrrr......thanks
16:27.08bogardPhilRod: yeah, that's it
16:27.15PhilRodFlendor: they're too far off - not for seven weeks yet
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16:27.59bogard:)
16:27.59FlendorOh. Don't study then ;)
16:27.59PhilRodoh, actually 6 weeks
16:27.59StevenRcan i make kicker have several rows of icons?
16:28.12PhilRoduse the quick launcher applet
16:28.14StevenRPhilRod: i have exam tomoro! eeek!
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16:28.33StevenRPhilRod: doez the quick launcher do big icons?
16:28.36StevenR*does
16:29.06PhilRoddunno, never used it
16:31.54azazelloStevenR: End Session, Turn Off, Restart, Cancel
16:32.20StevenRazazello: i dont think you can change it....maybe try the kdm settings
16:32.21azazellosuspend and hibernate are functioning, just not in the dialog
16:32.22FlendorI'm gone..Gotta play some :)
16:32.44azazelloStevenR - do you know where its .rc is?
16:32.59StevenRazazello: use the kdm dialog in kcontrol
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16:34.02azazelloStevenR: I'm sorry, which section is that in?
16:34.29azazelloI could change the Login Manager shutdown/reboot commands, but that's kind of a hack - then I don't get shutdown/reboot buttons :)
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16:37.10StevenRazazello: i dotn think u can then
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16:42.12PhilRoddecisions, decisions: an hour or so of work, or start cleaning up the ktips database
16:42.28PhilRodto vote now, press the RED button on your remote...
16:42.29PhilRod:-/
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16:42.59_Xavi_HiFi_dk, is there any easy way of removing gnome apps from the KDE menu?
16:43.09_Xavi_hi*
16:43.14PhilRodmenu editor
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16:43.31_Xavi_is there an *easier* way than that?
16:44.11PhilRodor you could search around for the XML file that defines the GNOME apps, and remove that from XDG_(CONFIG|DATA)_DIRS (can't remember which), but I don't think that's much easier
16:44.29_Xavi_hmm ok, thx
16:44.44PhilRodsomeone else might have an idea
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16:51.45mikeohow do i install skins?
16:52.10mikeohttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20798 want to install that one
16:53.03PhilRodwhat distro are you running?
16:53.06mikeodebian
16:53.09PhilRodit might have a package
16:54.16mikeodont see a package, is there a way to install ebuilds?
16:55.16PhilRodhrm, I can't see a normal source package there. Weird
16:55.26PhilRodlet's see if the "ebuild" has the normal source tree
16:56.57PhilRodyou'll have to compile it. Are you familiar with compiling KDE apps?
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16:58.30mikeojust ./configure and make and make install right?
16:58.38PhilRodif you're lucky, yes
16:58.43mikeoand then to remove it go to the source tree and make uninstall
16:58.51PhilRodhave you compiled a KDE app from source before?
16:58.52mikeoand apt-get all the dependencies
16:59.08mikeoi have compiled an app from source
16:59.13mikeodont know about a kde app
16:59.14PhilRodwas it a KDE app?
16:59.18PhilRodoh, ok
16:59.29PhilRodwell, try it anyway :-)
16:59.32PhilRodhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/files/20798-tiblit-1.2.tar.bz2
16:59.56PhilRodthat's the source package. Untar it, read any docs, and compile :-)
17:00.06PhilRodif you have trouble, take a look at this link:
17:00.07PhilRod~buildtr
17:00.09aptwell, buildtr is http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Build+Troubleshooting
17:00.33mikeochecking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
17:01.57mikeowhatever ill just stick with the current skin
17:03.22rob_ltmikeo, I'll try building it here... I think you need x-window-system-dev
17:03.28mikeook
17:05.04mikeohmmm only 40mb of archives
17:05.05mikeolol
17:05.53PhilRod40MB for some includes?!
17:05.57mikeoyea
17:06.00mikeoneeds a lot of packages
17:06.05mikeoill have it all in 30s tho
17:06.08mikeofast connection
17:06.12PhilRodis it pulling in some crazy dependencies?
17:06.21mikeolots of lib files
17:06.36mikeonot removing anythign tho so i dont care about adding stuff
17:06.44mikeoi have the space and it just finished downloading
17:07.30mikeohmmm now it needs Qt
17:08.15PhilRoddo you already have KDE installed?
17:08.20mikeoyea
17:08.33PhilRodok, so just the Qt includes then :-)
17:08.51PhilRodanyone have a (fairly) clean 3.4 install who can test something for me quickly?
17:09.12PhilRodin fact, any 3.4 install will probably do
17:09.15rob_ltmikeo, you will have to keep installing the -dev packages until you have everything that this package depends on.  I've got most of the dev stuff installed, since I build from source all the time.  
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17:09.37StevenRPhilRod: i have 3.4
17:09.47rob_ltmikeo, what distro are you using?
17:09.55PhilRodStevenR: does help:/userguide work in konq?
17:09.57mikeodebian
17:10.02mikeosarge
17:10.02PhilRodor help:/khelpcenter/userguide
17:10.48StevenRPhilRod: help:/khelpcenter/userguide works
17:11.04StevenRhelp:/userguide   The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation.
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17:12.00innovatihé
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17:12.52innovatianybody home?
17:13.58PhilRodStevenR: OK, thanks
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17:15.52innovatiI have a question for anybody who can program and know KDE
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17:17.28innovatiif in OS X, you can run windowless HTML pages with CSS and functionality through JS, PERL, Python and web languages, called Dashboard
17:17.44innovatiit explains about them here: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/dashboard.html
17:18.04PhilRodinnovati: if no-one here knows the answer to your question, try #kde-devel
17:18.20innovaticould this not also be done in KDE?  I mean the KHTML engine and JS are all there already... maybe even a compatibilty layer for OS X's widgets could easily be written too
17:18.25PhilRodalthough it sounds like you want to play around with the kdebindings module and dcop
17:18.28innovatiPhilRod: thanks
17:18.47innovatiHonestly I don't code, but I would love to help with the art of a project like this
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17:19.15innovatishould be too hard to hack though....it doesn't sound like a tough hack
17:20.31innovatishould I just take it to kde-devel then?
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17:21.35elvstonehm, can i make KDE stop showing the file suffixes for files on the Desktop somehow?
17:22.18PhilRodinnovati: if you just want a HTML page displayed without anything surrounding it, twiddle konqueror for a bit. You can probably achieve it
17:23.14innovatiI'm thinking so, can KDE not display a web-page as a desktop background?
17:24.43PhilRodinnovati: http://users.ox.ac.uk/~chri1802/stuff/konq-superlite.png
17:24.58innovatiover at kde.devel they are prett hostile
17:25.33PhilRodyou might be able to: there's a setting "use a program to draw the background image" or some such
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17:25.52_Heathen_yeah, just hit modify on the two that are in there by default to see how to set it up with another web page
17:26.10_Heathen_right click, configure desktop, advanced options
17:26.20_Heathen_click use the following program for drawing the background
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17:28.34PhilRod_Heathen_: did you sort out your problem?
17:29.22_Heathen_With the crappy desktop, yes thanks :)
17:29.29_Heathen_I fiddled with xorg.conf
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17:30.00_Heathen_Now I'm having other issues, no kde related, darn Gentoo :P
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17:35.20mikeoit works :D
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18:05.06|31770|anyone know how i can change the colour of the tool tips forground text?
18:05.41|31770|I'm using a dark background and it has made tool tips light grey on white which is horrid
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18:47.43StevenRhow do i change the tooltip background colour? there doesn't seem to be an option for it
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18:48.37aseigo_StevenR: yes, you can't.
18:50.43StevenRaseigo_: why not? thers an option to change everythingelse....is it hardcoded somewhere then?
18:53.25aseigo_StevenR: qt
18:53.57StevenRaseigo_: ahhh i c...is that going to change with qt4?
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18:56.57StevenRaseigo_: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45806   do you know where i could set a named palette?
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19:08.32aseigo_StevenR: qtrc iirc
19:08.48StevenRaseigo_: ok, thanks will check there :)
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19:27.26kendworkmy wife wrote this! http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4499401174.html
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19:29.15Thorstenkendwork: really ? I mean, a wife out of flesh and bones ?
19:29.30kendworkhehe
19:29.40kendworkshe's an editorial assistant for desktoplinux.com now
19:29.48Thorstencool.
19:29.54kendworkshe's not a total linux nerd, more of a fuzzy brain person, but the job seems to suit her :)
19:30.35ThorstenMy wife now can send e-mails without assistance, the advantage is she does not know enough to ask for things like Excel...
19:30.51kendworkheheh
19:30.58kendworkmy wife refuses to have icons on her kde desktop :)
19:31.05kendworkshe much prefers CLI... god, what a nerd :)
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19:31.30ThorstenCLI ?
19:31.37Thorstencommand line interface ?
19:31.52MrPingouinclitoris
19:31.59kendworkd'oh
19:32.02MrPingouinsorry.
19:32.22kendworkanyway
19:32.24kendworkthorsten, yeah
19:32.32kendworkshe's a pine-using, shell user
19:32.39Tm_Tpine <3
19:32.43kendworkthough she's definitely novice at it all... but she prefers it over lots of buttons and icons :)
19:32.54kendworki finally got her using Konversation instead of IRC II :)
19:33.01Tm_Tkendwork: me too prefer shell over almost all
19:33.10Tm_Tkendwork: noooooo!
19:33.29kendworkhehe
19:33.42kendworkshe didn't use /window, so she'd only be able to be in 1 chan at a time :^P
19:33.51Tm_Thaha
19:34.06kendworkheh
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19:34.25kendworkbut at home, it's Konvs all the way
19:34.27kendworkright kendrick?
19:34.32MrPingouinirssi + screen + ssh == 8th wonder
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19:34.34kendworkerr.. kendhome?  where am i?
19:34.46kendworkahh, there ia m :)
19:34.55Tm_TMrPingouin: ! YES!
19:35.10Tm_Tonly 3 irssi atm ;p
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19:44.10novrainhi
19:44.23novrainI've got problem with vertical refreshing on kde 3.3.2
19:44.55novrainmy monitor can do 100Hz at 800x600
19:45.07novrainbut in kde I've got only 85Hz
19:45.25emeteonovrain: kde has not anything to do with this
19:45.28novrainwhat can I do?
19:45.47kendworkreconfigure X-Window
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19:46.08kendworkit's in control of those sorts of things, and KDE just provides a method for switching between the modes X makes available
19:46.09novrainx11 is well configured
19:46.12kendworkif i understand it correctly ;)
19:46.26kendworkso can X11 do 800x600 @ 100Hz?
19:46.35kendworkif not, you need to reconfigure it ;)
19:46.37emeteonovrain: you can change with krandr, but I think, if your monitor is not old, you can delete all modelines and frecuencies from your XF86Config-4,
19:46.42novrainin xorg.conf I have got vertical refeshing 50-130Hz
19:46.43kendworkif so, then yes, perhaps there's a bug in KRandR
19:46.54emeteodcc see to of this.
19:47.23kendworknovrain, but do you have any modelines that say 800x600 @ 100Hz? ;)
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19:47.36kendworkhrm, that brings up a question: is there a KDE GUI for configuring X?
19:47.51Tronicnovrain: If you know the specifications (sync ranges) of that monitor, you'll probably want to try http://delenn.tky.hut.fi/amlc/
19:47.54novrainkdendwork: no
19:48.09kendworkhrm, there should be :)
19:48.14Tronicnovrain: That program will get you the optimal refresh rates for every mode.
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19:48.16kendworki'm sure some fancy distro somewhere has something
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19:48.53novrainI work on Slackware
19:49.03novraini old kde - 3.1.4
19:49.23novrainthere was KXF86Config
19:49.28novrainor something like that
19:49.49novrainbut now slackware doesn't support xfre86
19:50.00novrainbut xorg
19:50.04aseigo_it's in the control center... under Peripherals (or hardware), Display ... should still work (hopefully =)
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19:50.16aseigo_x.org and xfree's configs are quite close ...
19:51.28novrainaseigo: the problem is that I haven't 100hz refreshing in Setting/Display
19:52.04kendworkoh man - this is funny
19:52.09kendworkhttp://darthside.blogspot.com/
19:52.19novrainwhat's that?
19:52.31kendworkDarth Vader's Blog :)
19:52.39novrain:)
19:52.59kendwork"I must say that the stormtroopers' new heavy weather gear makes them look very cool. Hats off to Palpatine. (Most people don't know this but His Excellency designs all of our outerwear personally; he has a real flair for geometry, and a great sense of line.)"
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19:55.24StevenRaseigo: the configs are the same...apart from the name of the files and programs
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19:55.52aychekonqueror continues to ask me what application to use to open .php files, how do i get it to save to the disk?
19:55.57StevenRaseigo: xfree86config --> xorgconfig, etc
19:57.46scroogeXF86Config
19:57.58annmaayche: go in kControl -> KDE Components -> File asociations
19:58.07scroogehi! :)
19:58.09scroogekbye
19:58.12scroogeut
19:58.20annmatype php in te search field and set the settings you want for php mime types
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20:00.26[_]illogic-alkendwork: awesome sight. check out the comments even more hilarious! http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12046884&postID=111306729029095092
20:00.34[_]illogic-al"P.S. Remember when you dog died? That was me."
20:01.01aychei have the box checked for ask to save to disk
20:01.41kendworkhah
20:01.48aychebut still it never asks me
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20:05.14annmaayche: maybe it's a bug then
20:05.36annmanot sure, I am not very confortable around mime types to be frank
20:05.58annmaeach time I try something I mess it up
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20:08.50aycheannma:ok, thanks
20:09.00kbrooksdoes kde have a OSK app?
20:09.40kbrookson-screen keyboard
20:09.57annmathere is one but not in kde official
20:10.07kbrookscuz i  need it
20:10.12annmahmm, what do you mean exactly?
20:10.31annmayou have the keyboard on screen and when you type letters it acts as your keyboard?
20:10.42kbrooksyes
20:10.47scroogelike for tablets?
20:12.05kbrooksno, widows has this, but  i want it for linux too
20:12.16kendworkdunno if they were KDE
20:12.21kbrookswindows*
20:12.28kendworki had used some X-based one and handwriting in the past, for my wife to play with with her Wacom tablet
20:12.35annmakbrooks: what is it called fro windows?
20:12.42scroogeosk
20:12.43scroogelol
20:12.46annmakbrooks: shipped with windows?
20:12.50kbrooksannma, yes
20:12.53scroogemicrosoft's on-screen keyboard
20:13.02annmawhere can I find it?
20:13.06scroogeAccessories
20:13.20scroogeAccessibility
20:13.25scroogeOn-Screen Keyboard
20:13.41kbrookshmmm, brb
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20:13.43kendworkhttp://freshmeat.net/projects/xvkbd/
20:14.00annmaah, cool, saw it
20:14.41kendworkso kde needs something like that :)
20:14.50scroogeyep
20:14.52scroogeosK haha
20:15.52annmakde needs someone to implement it you mean
20:16.02kendwork;)
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20:16.25annmaI know there is one in progress
20:16.30scroogecool
20:16.34kendworkannma - cool, where?
20:16.37scroogeis it secret?
20:16.40kendworkwill it be part of the Accessibility project?
20:16.43scroogelike they might smite u if u talk?
20:17.17annmaI have no idea how it is called, I cannot remember
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20:17.26scroogeis it in cvs?
20:17.31annmakendwork: ask in the kde-accessibility mailing list
20:17.40kendworkannma - hrm, another list, eh? ;)
20:17.45annmascrooge: I don't remember at all
20:17.50scroogelol k
20:17.53annmakendwork: yes, of course, I have tons
20:18.02annmait is not in official I said
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20:18.32annmaso if it's in kde cvs it is in kdenonbeta or a playground
20:18.32kendworkhehe;)
20:18.32nblcan anyone tell me the hotkeys to change resolution
20:18.39kendworknbl Ctrl Alt Keypad-Plus/-Minus
20:18.41kendworktypically...
20:18.44annmanbl: look in kcontrol
20:18.55annmadepends on your settings
20:19.06nblahh didn't work on laptop that explains it
20:19.11srednaHi annma :)
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20:19.36annmahi sredna :)
20:20.01annmaall I remeber about this keyboard is that I tried it once
20:20.06srednaHow are you doing over there?
20:20.13annmawe're good
20:20.28annmachannel is looking for a on screen keyboard application
20:20.36annmaa KDE one
20:20.55srednaThere is one I think in the accessibility module
20:21.03annmaoh
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20:24.07annmait's called viki
20:24.14annmaand it's in a kde-review module
20:24.20srednaRight
20:24.26srednaI remember reading about it somewhere
20:25.25annmahttp://webcvs.kde.org/kdereview/viki/
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20:27.32annmaseems t be distributed in Suse
20:27.52MrGrimwonder if the i, robot reference is intentional..
20:28.07kendworkannma - awesome :)
20:28.11annmaviki 0.0: viki is an accessibility tool for entering text using the mouse cursor into other applications.
20:29.06annmahttp://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-accessibility&m=110589833129056&w=2
20:29.17annmakendwork: send a mail to the guy maybe
20:30.02kendworkshaheed, you mean?
20:30.09kendworki'll send a 'cool, keep up the good work' note ;^)
20:31.14kendworkdone :)
20:31.43annma:) cool, nice, that makes the difference on the developer state of mind
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20:39.10annmakendwork: compiling viki now
20:39.30annmaon the tiny space left on my hard disk
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20:45.27annmakendwork: it's quite good
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20:46.44annmakendwork: want a screenshot?
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20:51.49kbrooksi have a question: how can i get xvkbd to startup when kde starts up?
20:52.42annmathere is a startup folder or soething
20:53.49kbrookscan i find this in the faq?
20:53.51kendworkannma - sure! :)
20:53.59kendwork(re: sshot)
20:54.50annmahttp://img99.echo.cx/my.php?image=viki14so.png
20:54.53annmascrrensho
20:54.55annmat
20:55.22annmakbrooks: in your .kde there is an AUtostart folder
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20:56.58kbrooksannma, and what sHould be there?
20:57.14annmakbrooks: no idea at the moment for non kde apps....
20:57.20annmaI'm looking in the FAQ
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20:58.07annmain fact logging out of KDE with the app opened will open it ext time
20:58.30kbrooksno
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20:58.45annmathat works with kde apps
20:58.50kbrooksI disabled it
20:58.56annmatry dragging the prog into Autostart
20:59.15kbrooks.....?
20:59.16annmaand choose symlink if there is a question
20:59.23annmawhere is the exe?
20:59.35annmaof xvkdb
20:59.50annmatype: which xvkbd
20:59.51kbrooksheh
21:00.11annmaopen the dir and drag & drop it into Autostart
21:01.51annmaok, gotta go
21:01.59annmagood luk with that!
21:02.17kbrooksok, i  did that
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21:06.57dangerpussyok so ive downloaded a bunch of kde themes that are supposedly for 3.x but every time i go to the theme manager and browse to the directory, they dont show
21:07.04dangerpussyhow the fook do i install a .ktheme file
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21:17.32kendworkannma - thx :)
21:19.09rob_ltdangerpussy, can you give me a link to one of the themes you installed?
21:20.29rob_lts/installed/downloaded
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21:20.55dangerpussylemme grab one
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21:21.20dangerpussyhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22913
21:21.29rob_ltlet me give it a quick try
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21:22.21rob_ltwhat distro are you using?
21:22.27dangerpussysuse 9.3
21:22.38dangerpussyin fedora core it does the same thing tho
21:23.10rob_ltso you do a ./configure && make, and then as root make install?
21:23.41dangerpussyyes
21:23.47dangerpussyand it doesnt show under the kde control
21:23.55rob_lttry ./configure --prefix=/usr
21:24.34rob_ltdangerpussy, I would also use checkinstall to make an rpm so it is easy to remove it
21:24.41kbrooks_kopetesu -c 'make install'
21:24.47kbrooks_kopete:)
21:24.49dangerpussyi know all this
21:24.50dangerpussybut
21:24.53rob_ltok
21:24.57dangerpussyit still doesnt show a theme
21:25.16kbrooks_kopeteinstall it
21:25.29kbrooks_kopetedid you?
21:25.33rob_ltdid you try the ./configure --prefix=/usr
21:25.34rob_lt?
21:25.38dangerpussyyup
21:25.40dangerpussystill not there
21:25.47kbrooks_kopetemake
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21:26.09dangerpussymy hope was that id be able to do this all thru a GUI so I could maybe switch some systems to linux for my parents
21:26.17dangerpussybut if its this time consuming just to install a theme...
21:26.20kbrooks_kopeterun that
21:26.22dangerpussyi did
21:26.40dangerpussyi did ./configure --prefix=/user ... then make ... su, then make install
21:26.44dangerpussynow what
21:26.50dangerpussyshouldnt it show up in the KDE THEME MANAGER
21:26.53dangerpussysince its a theme and all
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21:27.24kbrooks_kopeterestart kcontrol
21:28.23rob_ltdangerpussy, go to the control center, appearance and themes, style
21:30.10rob_ltdoesn't appear there?
21:31.28sarah03njaard: Nothing like the books, which were nothing like the movies, which were nothing like the radio shows?
21:31.29sarah03Ack.
21:31.39rob_lt:)
21:31.55sarah03[I don't think I need to explain what I'm talking about. :)]
21:32.07dangerpussyrob_lt,  no it does not
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21:36.08rob_ltdangerpussy, can you do a "locate plastik.so" and paste the (hopefully) two lines back here.... to see where your plastik files are located.
21:37.04rob_ltsarah03, from ArchLinux?
21:37.38Tm_Tsarah03: =)
21:39.17sarah03rob_lt: 42
21:39.37sarah03[In reference to a certain 5-book trilogy.]
21:42.44MrGrimhttp://www.francesco.biz/papa.jpg
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21:45.13rob_ltdangerpussy, do you want any more help?
21:57.20kbrooks_kopetebrb
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22:05.25thechitowncubsHey
22:06.07*** join/#kde r_bender (~anodajoe@24.3.181.40)
22:06.38thechitowncubsWhat pacakage is required to change fonts
22:06.55chavothechitowncubs, kcontrol
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22:07.56thechitowncubsI'm using gnome as my default, but i like amarok, but the fonts are hideous... and when i apt-get kcontrol... it doesn't come with any configs, nothing show up on the menu
22:08.34chavothechitowncubs, not sure, I use KDE.
22:08.44r_benderanybody have time for a kmail question?
22:09.32thechitowncubschavo: what distro?
22:09.36aseigo_r_bender: probably
22:09.49chavothechitowncubs, kubuntu, but I build KDE myself.
22:09.59thechitowncubsim using ubuntu =D
22:10.02chavoI don't use the packages.
22:10.05chavocool.
22:10.45chavoBut it looks like the kcontrol package should do it. Did you run kcontrol?
22:10.48aseigo_r_bender: what are you out going server settings? particularly the security related ones?
22:10.52thechitowncubsyep
22:10.54thechitowncubsi tried it
22:10.59thechitowncubsno go
22:12.46thechitowncubsim installing kde-core to see if that helps
22:13.50thechitowncubsyep, it worked
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22:14.54thechitowncubsmuch much better
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22:23.52name773how do i turn off spell checking in konqueror (and everywhere else, but mostly konqueror)
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22:48.17Roeyhi all
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22:49.43shibbystfu freak.
22:50.05Roeyshibby:  foo
22:50.08Roeyhey all
22:50.14shibby:D
22:50.32Roeyok
22:50.37Roeyopen control center from the K menu
22:50.51Roeyor actually
22:50.51Roeywait
22:51.04Roeyjust do right-click on the country flags
22:51.16shibby......
22:51.20Roeythen do Configure...
22:51.25Roeythen go to Switching Options
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22:51.33RoeyXkb options rather
22:51.45Roeyshibby:  [x] Group Shift/Lock behavior
22:51.51shibbygod bless you
22:51.59Roey<PROTECTED>
22:52.05Roey[x] use keyboard LED to show alternative group
22:52.07shibbynah, alt shift
22:52.25Roey(*) Make CapsLock an additional Control
22:52.30Roey(screw CapsLock)
22:52.40Roeythen do OK
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22:52.50shibbydoesnt work
22:52.51shibbyugh
22:53.26Roey???
22:53.32Roeyjust do both shift at once first
22:53.34Roeysomething simple
22:53.38Tm_Thm
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22:54.07Roeyóòè
22:54.12Roeycool.
22:54.13shibbyi chose alt+shift
22:54.18Roeyhow do you compose an umlaut???
22:54.21Roeyshibby:  ok
22:54.23shibbyhah no hebrew here :||
22:54.25shibbyweird
22:54.29shibbybefore you typed something and i saw it
22:54.38canllaithRoey: using dead keys?
22:54.41Roeymake sure you checked group shift/lock behavior
22:54.46Roeycanllaith:  using the Compose key?
22:54.49Roeycanllaith:  btw, hi Jes
22:54.53canllaithAh, I have not one of those :)
22:54.56canllaithHeya Roey
22:55.05Roeycanllaith:  I just use right-alt
22:55.25canllaithRoey: I have no alt ;)
22:55.28Roey!
22:55.43Roeythere is no alternative to Jes after all
22:55.44Roeyoh
22:55.46Roeyoh you're serious
22:55.47Roeyno alt
22:55.48Roeyhmm
22:55.54Roeywokay then
22:56.05canllaithI have only two wireless cards and three notebooks atm. So if I'm setting up the IBM, I only have the mac to use to IRC on downstairs =p
22:56.25canllaithThe IBM & the Dell share a wifi card for the moment. The mac has it's own.
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23:02.56Roeyhi
23:03.10Roeymy friend is having trouble getting the keyboard layout switching to work
23:03.18Roeyand I have to get going (home)
23:03.25shibbyasshole.
23:03.33Roeyמה!!!1
23:03.38RoeyI'll be back yo
23:03.47shibbystop talking like a negro, yo.
23:04.20scroogewtf
23:04.41scroogewats wrong with talking like a negro...
23:04.42scroogeu racist?
23:04.50shibbyim a self hating jew :)
23:04.50Aletheshow do you know he's not black?
23:04.51Alethesheh
23:04.57shibbycause he's a jew/.
23:05.00shibbyand israeli :|
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23:05.10shibbynifty!
23:05.11Alethesshibby: :D
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23:07.29canllaithhrm how strange. This thinkpad is sitting here at 'Starting GPM' and refusing to finish booting
23:07.50scroogeaint no timeouts for gpm?
23:07.52strawyeah, that'll work
23:07.53scrooge:S
23:08.35canllaithYeah, it's just taking a veerrrrrry looooooong time
23:08.41scroogeoh
23:08.53scroogeparallel init scripts? :P
23:09.04canllaithhm ?
23:09.16scroogenever tried runing inits in paralellel?
23:09.20scroogeerhm, -el
23:09.25canllaithSlackware? :)
23:09.39canllaithIt just runs them one after the other.
23:09.56scroogeoh. maybe thats a slack 11 feature
23:10.05canllaithslack 11?
23:10.14scroogeyea
23:10.18scroogeslackware 11
23:10.22canllaithSlack 11 isn't out yet.
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23:10.34scroogehence it being a slackware 11 feature
23:10.36scrooge;)
23:10.38canllaith:P
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23:11.15scrooge:O
23:11.18scroogethe snake himself
23:11.26canllaithoooooooooooh I know why this is taking so long to cough up a login prompt, I bet.
23:11.41canllaitheth0 isn't plugged in, and dhcpcd timeout is bloody annoyingly long.
23:11.48scroogeheh :S
23:12.02pythonwhare are the password files in linux
23:12.04python?
23:12.09scrooge/etc/shadow?
23:12.21pythonthanks
23:12.46scroogeproblems?
23:12.49scroogeforgot root passwd?
23:12.59pythonno i am in a linux class
23:13.10pythonand we have to answer a bunch of ?
23:13.11scroogecheater!! lol
23:13.14scrooge:P
23:13.16python:)
23:13.18canllaithDon't cheat in here......
23:13.24pythonno just using my resorces
23:13.32pythonwe are a loud to use the internet
23:13.40pythonthis is just the internet
23:13.47pythonits bending the rules
23:13.52pythonnot braking them
23:13.52canllaithI don't think unix system consultants & unix developers are a fair resource
23:13.54python:)
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23:14.47strawheh
23:14.53Alethesthe password file is stored in /tmp
23:15.00Alethes:)
23:15.00canllaithhahaa
23:15.04scroogelmao
23:15.07strawit's in me arse!
23:15.12canllaithyou'll see the answer if you cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
23:15.19scroogeyes
23:15.23scroogelinus will tell j00 himself
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23:16.07canllaithHrm. Suspend and resume completely refusing to work as it used to under 2.6.11.7
23:16.22scrooge.8 is out!?
23:16.25Alethesfreebsd
23:16.32canllaithAlethes: hush you.
23:16.35scroogelol
23:16.36Alethes:D
23:16.38canllaith:P
23:16.52Aletheshaha
23:17.03AlethesI'm +troll without your intervention, baby :P
23:17.18canllaith:P
23:17.19scroogecanllaith, wat r u on now?
23:17.20scrooge.12?
23:17.55canllaith2.6.11.7
23:18.02scroogeoh
23:18.14canllaith2.6.10 on k7 & hal
23:18.36canllaithI need a good name for this thinkpad too. Right now he's 'darkstar' but he can't stay that
23:18.49Alethesnotsodarkstar
23:18.59scroogeliteness
23:19.14canllaithI already have holly and !holly
23:19.20canllaithno more computer names starting in 'not' :P
23:19.26scrooge:P
23:19.27Aletheshehe
23:19.57AlethesAuguste Rodin created the statue "The Thinker"
23:20.04canllaithholly !holly hal queeg k7 labrat guineapig gateway orac kayakserver router
23:20.05Alethessince it's a thinkpad, name it Rodin or something
23:20.15scrooge:O
23:20.20canllaithhrm that's not such a bad idea
23:20.39scroogea dime a thought?
23:20.41scroogeopenny!
23:20.45scroogea penny for your thoughts
23:20.47scroogeor sumtin
23:20.47Alethesit involves giving all the stupid people guns and legalizing duels
23:20.55canllaithAlethes: amen!
23:21.21canllaithNow that there's some good preachin.
23:21.25Aletheshehe
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23:22.27Alethescanada has a law for everything
23:22.30canllaithWhere I grew up if you burnt yourself on hot coffee you wouldn't sue macdonalds and make them put warning labels on their cups =p you'd get called a dick by all your friends.
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23:22.54scroogeoh yea
23:22.58scroogethe us is fucked up
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23:23.05scroogeeverything is a lawsuit
23:23.16scroogeyall heard about the finger insides wendy's chilli?
23:23.21Alethesyeah
23:23.26Borg^QueenHey people.
23:23.28Alethesapparently it was a hoax
23:23.31illogic-aldamn right, and i'm gonna sue you right now for talking bad about us.
23:23.41scroogelol
23:23.42canllaithThere is no american media in my house so no, I have no dea
23:23.45canllaiths/dea/idea/
23:23.57canllaith(just cause all the 'war on terror' stuff can get a bit nauseating when they want to show pictures)
23:24.18scroogeyea thats more BS going down
23:24.23scroogewtf its like 2005
23:24.24rob_ltI'm not defending that litigation, but MDs was making their coffee excessively hot in order to make people take longer to drink it.  They had been warned sever times already that their coffee was hot to the point of being hazardous, but they didn't care.  It took a woman being burned through her blue jeans to get them to stop.
23:24.39spiderwormhey all can i use k3b to rip a DVD to divx?
23:24.49illogic-al_through_ her blue jeans
23:24.58rob_lts/that litigation/litigation
23:25.04scroogelmao
23:25.10illogic-alit's gotta be damn hot to leave scars through those.
23:25.21canllaithlol so don't be a fool - don't drink the damn stuff
23:25.22scroogenot necessarily i;d imagine
23:25.29scroogewoman where there jeans tight
23:25.32canllaithVote with your wallet and go buy elsewhere
23:25.38scroogeit probly got held extra tight to the skin
23:25.38scrooge:S
23:25.43illogic-alscrooge: it was an old lady.
23:25.45canllaithscrooge: hey, that's not necessarily true. Not all women do.
23:25.48scroogeoh
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23:26.05scroogecanllaith, well, most do here
23:26.06rob_ltthat's a good argument, so when your car spontaneously explodes causing you and your family to be burned alive, we can all just say, "Well just don't drive that car then!"
23:26.09scroogea good majority
23:26.09canllaithillogic-al: The point is though, no-one forced her to buy the coffee. Sure, maccas was doing a dumb thing but they were helping perpetuate the dumb thing by paying tem for it =p
23:26.20canllaithrob_lt: what does a car have to do with coffee sorry?
23:26.24illogic-alcanllaith: or sue, win millions of dollars and make MD change
23:26.28rob_ltits called an analogy
23:26.31scroogelol
23:26.48canllaithillogic-al: I despise the culture that claims people aren't reponsible for your own actions. If you spill coffee on you, *YOU* spilled the coffee.
23:27.02canllaithOr will we sue the makers of stoves next, because they can boil water that we might tip on ourselves?
23:27.13canllaithI think we should sue the people that make heaters, those things seem to get pretty hot.
23:27.26illogic-alcanllaith: imo both were wrong, and the courts deemed MDs more wrong. i have no arguement with that.
23:27.29scroogeisnt that kinda out of context?
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23:27.46rob_ltyou expect to be severly burned when you spill boiling water from the stove on you.  
23:27.47AlethesI saw a commercial today for an ambulance chasing lawyer where this lady says that a doctor misdiagnosed her with breast cancer and this lawyer got her the compensation she "deserved"
23:27.57canllaithillogic-al: Yes, I agree that both were wrong - but saying it's not your fault you burnt yourself because it was hot is a bit silly :P
23:28.01AlethesI'm just wondering if she would have prefered that he was RIGHT
23:28.05punkcutwhats a kde program that will allow me to find/replace with escape characters and special characters?
23:28.17canllaithThere is kregexp editor
23:28.19rob_ltsed
23:28.21Alethesksed heh
23:28.30AlethesI'm kidding, of course
23:28.39canllaithgod that would be hideous, imagine a gui interface to sed and awk
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23:28.48punkcutseds a bit much for me I would prefer not to have to learn it just to replace \r with commas
23:28.49Aletheshehe
23:29.13illogic-alcanllaith: the arguement wasn't about the old lady being wrong, it was about a practice MDs had in place to make them more _money_, at the potential detriment of customers.
23:29.24scroogesed -i -e "s#\r#,#" ??
23:29.28scroogesomething like that i think
23:29.28illogic-althey paid for it (dearly), and i for one am happy.
23:29.35rob_ltillogic-al, exactly
23:29.41canllaithillogic-al: where I come from, if a company does something stupid we just don't buy their product. Works well for us.
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23:30.07canllaithpunkcut: Kate and kwrite can do find and replace using regular expressions, and will call the KDE regexp editor to help you compose them
23:30.30canllaith(although, I find trying to figure out what all the buttons in the editor does non trivial compared to just writing some perl, but I've never read the manual)
23:30.32punkcutcanllaith: thank you, ive been playing with kate trying to get it to do it for awhile but cannot figure it out, am i missing a plugin or something?
23:30.39canllaithhrm one moment
23:30.44age_k3b all of a sudden can't do on the fly dvds...it isn't getting the data to the burner fast enough...
23:30.50age_is there anything i can do?
23:30.51rob_ltcanllaith, that's great in hindsite, but what if you are the one to discover that the hotdogs you buy contain poison, "Well, you should have known that hotdogs aren't good for you... just don't buy them" ::shrug::
23:31.01canllaithrob_lt: basically :)
23:31.03illogic-alcanllaith: sueing a greedy company and getting paid, works better for us :-)
23:31.15rob_ltcanllaith, ok, let's just agree to disagree :)
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23:31.22canllaithI come from a place where there are snakes and spiders in plague proportion - if you don't learn not to touch them pretty quick you die. It's called natural selection.
23:31.32illogic-allol
23:31.42illogic-alI'd sue the australian gov't
23:31.54illogic-althose things shouldn't be lying around out in public
23:31.54canllaithI'm so glad I don't live in a country with attitudes like that.
23:32.03illogic-allmao
23:32.13canllaithI mean, what more of a homeless program do you need?
23:32.18canllaithWe don't have a winter to pick them off
23:32.25canllaithWe have to rely on the crocodiles & snakes
23:32.32illogic-allo
23:32.32punkcutand sharks
23:32.34illogic-all
23:32.37canllaithDon't forget the sharks.
23:32.52canllaithSpiders, too. Those goannas can give you a nasty turn... and koalas are not cute and cuddly let me tell you.
23:33.03canllaithWe have little octopus and jelly fish that can kill you too.
23:33.15illogic-alfor natural selection out here we have the ghetto.
23:33.23canllaithheh the little octopus flares up with electric blue rings when the get mad
23:33.39canllaithgenerations of australian school kids go and poke them gently to make them go pretty blue (and these things can kill you)
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23:33.50punkcutin america we group all those nasty things under the label minority
23:33.53canllaithCome to think of it, I think I can see why everyone seems to think Australians are mad crazy bastards
23:34.04illogic-allmao @ punkcut
23:34.17illogic-alcanllaith: because you really are?
23:34.33canllaithillogic-al: I don't count, my mother is from glasgow. I think that makes us all completely mad as hatters by definition
23:34.52punkcutwhat the hell is a hatter anyway
23:35.01canllaithheh
23:35.04canllaithalice in wonderland
23:35.11punkcutwell yah i know
23:35.14strawhats were once made using mercury, iirc
23:35.24punkcutbut what the hell is a hatter anyway
23:35.25canllaithSo kate regular expressions
23:35.33illogic-alhatter's used to use substances in making hats that eventually drove them crazy
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23:35.35canllaithin my version of Kate, if I tick the regular expression box in the find dialog
23:35.48canllaithI can click edit and get a drop down box
23:35.57canllaithThat lets me insert bits of regexp.....
23:35.57illogic-alhence the expression, "mad as a hatter" or Mad hatter
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23:36.07canllaithWhether that's a 3.4 thing or a cvs thing I'm not sure.
23:37.29illogic-alSPRING FLING BEGINS NOW!
23:37.37illogic-alW()()T!!
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23:39.31illogic-al}:-)
23:39.41canllaithawwwwwwwwww cute teddy
23:39.49illogic-allol
23:41.05illogic-alhttp://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12046884&postID=111306729029095092 <- comments on that page are hilarious
23:44.07canllaithsafari doesn't have incremental search :( it's like they took KHTML with the intention of making it suck as much as possible
23:44.45*** join/#kde enoch (~neo@cpc3-burn2-3-0-cust3.manc.cable.ntl.com)
23:47.20illogic-ali think i'm having too much fun at http://darthside.blogspot.com/
23:47.27illogic-alis that possible?
23:47.35*** part/#kde romperstomper (~bernhard@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de)
23:47.36illogic-alshould I seek help?
23:47.45canllaithyes
23:48.03canllaithtake me with you, cause I think this is hysterical
23:48.40illogic-al:-D
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