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| 00:27.58 | Ringwraith` | -|mschiff|- |
| 00:29.07 | mschiff | hi |
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| 00:31.12 | slayerbob | hi all |
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| 00:36.51 | sredna | Hi slayerbob |
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| 00:37.00 | sredna | Waszup? |
| 00:37.28 | slayerbob | oh not much |
| 00:37.42 | slayerbob | just drove to hanmer springs, cleared out half of the house, and then drove it to christchurch |
| 00:37.47 | slayerbob | and all before lunchtime :P |
| 00:38.25 | sredna | I have no idea where those places are ('cept they are on the other side of the planet...) |
| 00:38.29 | slayerbob | heh |
| 00:38.40 | slayerbob | hanmer springs is where mine and canllaith's old house is |
| 00:38.46 | slayerbob | we just have not quite moved out of it yet |
| 00:38.56 | sredna | Here it is way past my bedtime, but I am having fun drawing with inkscape, so I didn't get to bed yet |
| 00:39.02 | slayerbob | heh |
| 00:39.10 | slayerbob | i didn't get to bed from yesterday yet :P |
| 00:39.40 | sredna | Auch :o |
| 00:39.55 | slayerbob | 500km driving on no sleep :P |
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| 00:40.47 | euronaut | ... |
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| 00:42.39 | sbriesen | hmmm, what's the topic? |
| 00:42.51 | sredna | ``how are you'' |
| 00:42.56 | sbriesen | fine |
| 00:42.56 | sredna | ;) |
| 00:43.05 | sbriesen | it's quite late |
| 00:43.08 | sbriesen | 2:44 |
| 00:43.15 | sredna | 'sactly my point--- |
| 00:43.19 | sbriesen | hehe |
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| 00:44.13 | sredna | Hey annma :) |
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| 00:44.59 | IceD^ | hello |
| 00:45.16 | IceD^ | should we expect some kind of scripting in the koffice soon? |
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| 00:45.43 | sredna | IceD^: Well, not in this release |
| 00:46.08 | IceD^ | sredna: probably help needed? |
| 00:46.11 | IceD^ | or smth? |
| 00:46.24 | sredna | IceD^: I have no idea if they plan for that |
| 00:46.39 | annma | hi sredna :) |
| 00:46.42 | IceD^ | scripts are MUST HAVE |
| 00:46.54 | sredna | Maybe so |
| 00:46.59 | annma | what sort of scripts? |
| 00:47.08 | sredna | Scripting koffice |
| 00:47.16 | sredna | IceD^: There is dcop of course |
| 00:47.23 | annma | yes but a specific scripting? |
| 00:47.48 | IceD^ | sredna: hmm hmm |
| 00:48.04 | sredna | http://www.koffice.org/developer/dcop/ |
| 00:48.29 | IceD^ | I know what is dcop |
| 00:48.32 | IceD^ | here is my problem |
| 00:48.45 | annma | IceD^: maybe you could join #koffice |
| 00:48.49 | IceD^ | I'm receiving .doc made in ancient m$word version |
| 00:48.52 | IceD^ | in russian |
| 00:48.58 | IceD^ | they have problem with encoding |
| 00:49.12 | IceD^ | so I need to convert each char in the doc |
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| 00:50.42 | sredna | Nothing in koffice org seems to indicate that they want to introduce scripting |
| 00:53.30 | annma | not sure how scripting would help you |
| 00:53.37 | annma | specific scripting |
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| 00:54.22 | IceD^ | annma: simple script which will iterate from first to last char |
| 00:54.30 | IceD^ | and will replace them using simple table |
| 00:54.55 | annma | how will it know what to replace? |
| 00:55.06 | sredna | Can't you process the file before opening it, eg with sed or perl? |
| 00:55.21 | IceD^ | sredna: .doc? |
| 00:55.23 | IceD^ | heh he |
| 00:55.24 | IceD^ | ;] |
| 00:55.39 | sredna | I'm sure sed or perl wouldn't care :o |
| 00:55.44 | annma | lol, no |
| 00:55.54 | IceD^ | sredna: yes, but they will process formatting data |
| 00:55.55 | IceD^ | etc |
| 00:56.06 | annma | what about OOorg? |
| 00:56.08 | IceD^ | this will not be neat |
| 00:56.13 | annma | OOwriter? |
| 00:56.15 | IceD^ | annma: to /dev/null |
| 00:56.27 | annma | you don't have it? |
| 00:56.31 | IceD^ | annma: no |
| 00:56.43 | annma | send me your file so I see what oowriter does with it |
| 00:57.01 | IceD^ | annma: oowriter opens it with the same encoding problem |
| 00:57.14 | IceD^ | but there is cyrtools for OOo which handles this |
| 00:57.27 | annma | cyrtools |
| 00:57.43 | annma | so what you ask basically is cyrtools ported to koffice |
| 00:58.21 | IceD^ | annma: no - I just want __really__ simple scripting support - so I'll be able to fix the prob myself :) |
| 00:58.40 | annma | if OOorg does not have it it's not so simple |
| 00:58.52 | Ringwraith` | OO.xxx |
| 00:59.10 | annma | considering they have more man power |
| 01:00.27 | IceD^ | annma: cyrtools are uno ext |
| 01:00.52 | annma | uno ext? |
| 01:01.58 | IceD^ | extensions |
| 01:02.10 | IceD^ | UNO |
| 01:02.14 | annma | so there is no scripting in OO? |
| 01:02.20 | IceD^ | written in python or smth |
| 01:02.30 | IceD^ | annma: there is kinda of VB in OO as I remember |
| 01:02.32 | annma | but no scripting as such? |
| 01:02.42 | annma | but would that help you? |
| 01:03.02 | IceD^ | yes - the first version of this cyrtools was written in OOo's VB script |
| 01:03.03 | chetan13 | seems like "Local Folders" is unavoidable... |
| 01:03.18 | chetan13 | :-( |
| 01:05.28 | IceD^ | checked kword's dcop functions |
| 01:05.49 | IceD^ | it seems to be impoissible to work with document's contents through them |
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| 01:16.18 | sredna | Man, I'm tired with updatedb |
| 01:16.41 | sredna | Swap swap swap |
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| 01:28.31 | sredna | Good night * |
| 01:28.35 | canllaith | night sredna |
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| 01:37.14 | Jejem | 'night ! [/amsg] |
| 01:39.02 | Alethes | heya canllaith |
| 01:39.05 | Alethes | ltns :) |
| 01:39.50 | Alethes | I'm fixing up nuvola s'more |
| 01:39.56 | Alethes | replacing all the blue folders with yellow ones |
| 01:40.10 | Alethes | looks a lot nicer in my not so humble opinion |
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| 01:56.14 | sbcl3 | does the crystal icon set come with any text editor icons other than Kate's? |
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| 01:59.28 | Alethes | kwrite's |
| 01:59.49 | Alethes | and probably another one for kedit |
| 02:03.15 | grepper | nedit and xedit |
| 02:03.38 | sbcl3 | okay |
| 02:03.39 | sbcl3 | thankyou |
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| 02:04.19 | sbcl3 | kwrite's is the same as kate's though (at least it appears) |
| 02:05.00 | sbcl3 | i like kwrite's best |
| 02:05.04 | sbcl3 | another quick question |
| 02:05.24 | sbcl3 | any kde applications (not programmed with gtk) that are very similer to Immendio's Planner (which is similar to Microsoft's Project)? |
| 02:05.43 | annma | kde applications are never programmed with gtk, sbcl3 |
| 02:06.06 | sbcl3 | i know |
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| 02:06.15 | sbcl3 | isn't that what i said? |
| 02:06.25 | annma | well you implied some are |
| 02:06.43 | sbcl3 | i was trying to say that Planner was built for Gnome |
| 02:07.00 | grepper | I would use kate's instead of kwrite's |
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| 02:13.53 | sbcl3 | no one knows one? perhaps one doesn't exist. |
| 02:15.41 | somekool | anyone notice any IMAP improovement in 3.4.1 ? |
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| 02:18.13 | Alethes | I always hear about imap probs with kontact, but I never have had a prob with it |
| 02:19.46 | can|laptop | The probs are with dimap (cached imap) and moving messages from folder to folder. |
| 02:19.52 | can|laptop | Ullo Alethes :) |
| 02:19.53 | Alethes | ah |
| 02:19.57 | Alethes | how's it going? :) |
| 02:20.07 | can|laptop | Not bad. Just installing ubuntu on the thinkpad to check it out |
| 02:20.13 | Alethes | :o |
| 02:20.22 | can|laptop | I'm stuck in gnome for the moment and my GOD it is slow |
| 02:20.25 | Alethes | you're a SlackTraitor! |
| 02:20.26 | Alethes | :) |
| 02:20.34 | can|laptop | Nah, just wantin to play :) |
| 02:20.36 | Alethes | hehe |
| 02:20.57 | can|laptop | I've never used anything debianish before. |
| 02:21.02 | Alethes | me either |
| 02:21.44 | Alethes | I've only used slack, suse and fbsd |
| 02:22.24 | somekool | Alethes: dont move too many messages |
| 02:22.39 | Alethes | say what? |
| 02:22.52 | somekool | I lost very important mails |
| 02:23.05 | Alethes | ah |
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| 02:23.30 | Alethes | for regular imap? |
| 02:23.33 | somekool | and I can't switch back to non-cached imap, because my address book is on IMAP and they remove the support |
| 02:23.38 | somekool | dimap |
| 02:23.41 | Alethes | ah |
| 02:24.05 | Alethes | geez |
| 02:24.13 | somekool | its not about numbers |
| 02:24.18 | can|laptop | I still use it though- I just now have sever side filtering |
| 02:24.33 | can|laptop | and don't EVER move messages. Kmail reads mail, and sends mail and I don't do any sorting on it at all |
| 02:24.47 | can|laptop | It's all done on the server. |
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| 02:25.19 | somekool | or on with a different soft |
| 02:25.32 | MrGrim | canllaith: :) |
| 02:25.32 | somekool | so no fixes for 3.4.1 ? not worth the upgrade ? |
| 02:25.53 | canllaith | Plenty of fixes for 3.4.1 |
| 02:25.57 | canllaith | kopete connection to msn has been fixed |
| 02:26.00 | canllaith | kicker no longer crashes on logout |
| 02:26.08 | MrGrim | somekool: that's kinda subjective really... you may not run into the bugs fixed in your daily use |
| 02:26.15 | somekool | canllaith: dimap related |
| 02:26.23 | canllaith | Not that I know of |
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| 02:26.28 | canllaith | I haven't had any trouble with it in a while |
| 02:26.33 | canllaith | but... I'm still not recommending people use it |
| 02:26.38 | grepper | version exits with a 1 status now though |
| 02:26.56 | MrGrim | what is dimap? |
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| 02:27.30 | canllaith | MrGrim, cached imap |
| 02:27.31 | somekool | any prob with bugs.kde.org ? |
| 02:27.44 | MrGrim | oh |
| 02:28.07 | MrGrim | <3 perm inet connection |
| 02:28.13 | MrGrim | :) |
| 02:28.16 | canllaith | oh, my, god. |
| 02:28.21 | canllaith | What a bloody newbie infested channel |
| 02:28.30 | MrGrim | what did you expect? |
| 02:28.35 | canllaith | :P I dunno |
| 02:28.53 | canllaith | The professional attitude regular KDE lurkers like MrGrim display? |
| 02:28.53 | grepper | refreshing ain't it |
| 02:29.06 | MrGrim | that's the problem with newbie oriented distros... there's usually too many newbies for the community support |
| 02:29.08 | MrGrim | turns into chaos |
| 02:29.13 | grepper | heh, I'm a professional |
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| 02:29.25 | canllaith | bbl, lunch :) |
| 02:29.40 | MrGrim | lurker eh? |
| 02:29.48 | MrGrim | I like it |
| 02:29.52 | MrGrim | nice title |
| 02:29.56 | somekool | oh god.... sigh |
| 02:31.27 | grepper | heh, my fortune is "be cheerful while you are alive" , is that supposed to cheer one up ? |
| 02:31.53 | Alethes | hahah |
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| 02:49.44 | _poison | where do I find the NEC socks library that can be used by KDE ? can't find it on fm/sf or by googling =( |
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| 03:07.15 | slayerbob | hiya everyone :P |
| 03:07.57 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 03:08.00 | slayerbob | not that work :P |
| 03:08.05 | slayerbob | at this work i am the boss :P |
| 03:08.28 | Alethes | hehe |
| 03:08.47 | slayerbob | argh it is one of those nasty trojans that does not go away when you delete it :( |
| 03:09.04 | slayerbob | oh well looks like i will be here for a few hours then |
| 03:09.34 | socomm | \o/ |
| 03:09.51 | Roey | Apple has officially decided to drop IBM, and will use Intel processors starting in their '06 line of systems. |
| 03:09.52 | Roey | holy hsit |
| 03:10.09 | Roey | I wonder what that will do to IBM's powerpc industry |
| 03:10.09 | Roey | :( |
| 03:10.16 | Alethes | who cares? |
| 03:10.21 | Roey | well I do |
| 03:10.24 | Roey | and the bigger thing is, |
| 03:10.27 | bline | i thought they sold that anyway? |
| 03:10.27 | socomm | Not I. |
| 03:10.27 | Alethes | OSX will be available for x86 :D |
| 03:10.28 | Roey | I brought it up in the wrong channel |
| 03:10.39 | Roey | Alethes: c'mon that's the first thing any slashdotter says :) |
| 03:11.03 | Alethes | y'gotta admit that'd be cool |
| 03:11.09 | slayerbob | there are people who read/post slashdot ? :| |
| 03:11.15 | Roey | :) |
| 03:11.32 | Ringwraith` | wtf |
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| 03:11.48 | Ringwraith` | you mean its news for nerds and dupes that matters? |
| 03:11.50 | Roey | hi Ring |
| 03:11.55 | Ringwraith` | hi Roey |
| 03:11.55 | Roey | :) |
| 03:11.57 | Roey | hahah |
| 03:12.04 | Roey | actually |
| 03:12.13 | Roey | technically it shouldn't matter what cpu it runs on |
| 03:12.17 | Roey | apple is a platform |
| 03:12.22 | Roey | it still won't be a PC |
| 03:12.24 | socomm | News for lusers. |
| 03:12.38 | Alethes | adios |
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| 03:12.42 | Ringwraith` | it will run on a toaster! |
| 03:12.43 | Roey | it'll still come with apple BIO$ |
| 03:12.46 | Roey | :) |
| 03:13.22 | Roey | hmm actually maybe apple doesn't sell enough units for IBM to be that profitable off powerpc |
| 03:13.45 | slayerbob | lol |
| 03:13.58 | slayerbob | well apple sells enough units to keep itself in business |
| 03:14.03 | slayerbob | and they are not a particularly small company |
| 03:16.10 | Roey | right |
| 03:16.18 | Roey | can IBM technically buy apple? |
| 03:16.25 | Roey | do they have the capital? |
| 03:17.07 | slayerbob | LOL |
| 03:17.09 | slayerbob | ibm is huge |
| 03:17.12 | Roey | yeah |
| 03:17.14 | Roey | I know |
| 03:17.16 | Roey | that's why I asked... |
| 03:17.20 | slayerbob | desktop pcs has always been just a tiny part of ibm |
| 03:17.37 | slayerbob | actually i don't think even ibm uses ibm cpus :P |
| 03:18.26 | canllaith | heh |
| 03:18.32 | canllaith | cyrix chips have been interesting yes |
| 03:18.43 | slayerbob | canllaith: looooook i is ircing from work :D:D:D |
| 03:18.48 | canllaith | lol you're shocking |
| 03:18.51 | canllaith | you at ray white? |
| 03:18.55 | slayerbob | waitin for norton |
| 03:19.09 | slayerbob | heh |
| 03:19.23 | canllaith | Although. it looks like it/s 3.4.0 |
| 03:19.24 | canllaith | yikes |
| 03:19.32 | canllaith | Broken kopete, I'll have to build a new one |
| 03:20.07 | slayerbob | again ? :| |
| 03:20.16 | slayerbob | oh wait |
| 03:20.28 | canllaith | I'm installing ubuntu on darkstar |
| 03:20.35 | canllaith | well, kubuntu shortly. It's installing KDE as we speak |
| 03:21.04 | slayerbob | :P |
| 03:21.47 | MrGrim | canllaith: it should have an update soon |
| 03:21.56 | canllaith | MrGrim, to 3.4.1 ? |
| 03:22.14 | MrGrim | .. or am I just use to gentoo? |
| 03:22.29 | MrGrim | honestly I've never used such a distro.. I went from slack -> lfs -> gentoo |
| 03:22.29 | canllaith | Apparently there already are 3.4.1 official packages for kubuntu |
| 03:22.41 | MrGrim | so I'm not sure how that all works |
| 03:23.07 | canllaith | But I'm sick of gnome already (dessa@darkstar:~$ uptime |
| 03:23.07 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.07 | canllaith | ) |
| 03:24.39 | canllaith | Wow, Not even 2 hours and I'm sick to death of it |
| 03:25.00 | MrGrim | it is quite bad |
| 03:26.08 | sbcl3 | me too |
| 03:26.15 | MrGrim | I always blamed gnomes decline on the invasion of the self titled human interface experts |
| 03:26.30 | Roey | gnome is declining? |
| 03:26.39 | sbcl3 | gnome's human interface sucks |
| 03:26.39 | MrGrim | so I worry these days seeing KDE talk more and more about their collaboration w/ these guys |
| 03:26.54 | sbcl3 | is enlightenment declining? |
| 03:26.56 | Roey | novell just won a contract to fill the NIH's offices with their novell linux desktop -- which uses GNOME |
| 03:26.58 | sbcl3 | i've heard good things abou tit |
| 03:27.03 | MrGrim | Roey: to me it is |
| 03:27.15 | Roey | MrGrim: GOOD. IT SHOULD DIE. |
| 03:27.21 | MrGrim | sbcl3: ya me too.... for YEARS |
| 03:27.28 | MrGrim | Roey: are you ok? |
| 03:27.36 | Roey | MrGrim: It's not the gnome project that I dislike so much |
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| 03:27.43 | Roey | MrGrim: it's 1) the snobbiness of the developers |
| 03:27.45 | grepper | it has interpolability problems |
| 03:27.50 | grepper | with itself |
| 03:28.07 | Roey | MrGrim: 2) their pandering to the "corporate" world at the expense of normal day-to-day users |
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| 03:28.40 | Roey | MrGrim: 3) an incongruency between its architecture model and the language used to interface to it |
| 03:28.40 | Roey | MrGrim: that includes C#. |
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| 03:29.06 | Roey | canllaith: your exit message noted you dislike gnome |
| 03:29.10 | Roey | canllaith: care to elaborate? |
| 03:29.31 | canllaith | I was just switching from ubuntu gnome, which I was stuck in while apt-getting kubuntu-desktop |
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| 03:29.47 | canllaith | to macosx on the iMac since I'll be logging in and out of the kubuntu machine a fair bit while I'm setting it up |
| 03:29.53 | Roey | canllaith: I see. |
| 03:30.01 | Roey | canllaith: what is it that you dislike about gnome? |
| 03:30.07 | canllaith | It's stinking slow |
| 03:30.11 | Roey | ok |
| 03:30.13 | canllaith | on a 900MHz with 256MB |
| 03:30.28 | Roey | befor eyou came on I listed a few of my peeves with it |
| 03:30.50 | Roey | <Roey> MrGrim: It's not the gnome project that I dislike so much |
| 03:30.55 | Roey | <Roey> MrGrim: it's 1) the snobbiness of the developers |
| 03:30.58 | Roey | <Roey> MrGrim: 2) their pandering to the "corporate" world at the expense of normal day-to-day users |
| 03:31.03 | Roey | <Roey> MrGrim: 3) an incongruency between its architecture model and the language used to interface to it |
| 03:31.06 | Roey | <Roey> MrGrim: that includes C#. |
| 03:31.13 | Roey | and right after that, you came on. |
| 03:32.01 | Roey | I don't like how you have no options in gnome. And when you ask them why they can't add the options you want, they reply in their holier-than-thou tone that the HIG discourages it |
| 03:32.02 | Roey | rubbish. |
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| 03:35.37 | Ringwraith` | i never cared much for gnome |
| 03:35.41 | Ringwraith` | in fact i hated it |
| 03:35.48 | MrGrim | there's already people complaining about too many options in kde, and there are human interface people trying to suggest how to "address" that issue.. I hope they don't screw it up |
| 03:36.18 | Roey | but see gnome is *extreme* in the dumbing down that it does. |
| 03:36.31 | slayerbob | yeah there should just be one big button in the middle of the screen saying "run the program i am thinking of" |
| 03:36.32 | Roey | I can give examples but I have to go downstairs for a bit. |
| 03:36.37 | Roey | slayerbob: :) |
| 03:36.52 | Roey | don't forget that gnome was spearheaded by MS wannabees. |
| 03:37.01 | oneforall | man there a way to restart kde with out loggin out and back in |
| 03:37.38 | Roey | oneforall: there should be, since X is independent of KDE. |
| 03:38.22 | oneforall | know how thanks? |
| 03:38.22 | Ringwraith` | oneforall, i wrote a xinit script to do that |
| 03:38.34 | Ringwraith` | it doesnt leave X but restarts kde |
| 03:39.58 | slayerbob | Ringwraith`: you should submit it to kde as a big button labelled "don't click me" :P |
| 03:40.22 | Ringwraith` | lol, true, i have an icon on the desktop that does that immediatley without any kdialogs |
| 03:40.29 | slayerbob | :P |
| 03:41.04 | oneforall | hmm well that doesn't haelp me :) |
| 03:41.11 | Ringwraith` | i've noticed however it seems that KDE will not cleanly shut itself down with the current startup shutdown scripts found on most systems |
| 03:41.26 | Ringwraith` | because X quits so fast |
| 03:42.36 | Ringwraith` | this script actually makes X wait until all kde processes have shut down |
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| 03:54.05 | Roey | Ringwraith`: maybe the various gnu/linux and BSD distributors can be notified of this problem? (or is it already known to them?) |
| 03:56.03 | grepper | hm, just noticed the "burn disk" icon - strange it is on konqueror's web brower profile toolbar |
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| 03:57.18 | antihc3 | would this warning have something to do with KDE? "warning: leaving MCOP Dispatcher and still 3066 types alive." |
| 03:57.43 | grepper | arts |
| 03:57.47 | grepper | so yeah |
| 03:57.49 | Roey | what's mcop? |
| 03:57.55 | Roey | if there's a dcop, what's mcop? |
| 03:58.49 | antihc3 | there is a doc for it on developer.kde.org |
| 04:02.41 | Ringwraith` | mcop is a multimedia communications protocol |
| 04:02.43 | antihc3 | grepper: any hits now how to track down how to fix this , it crashs programs after a bit of printing that warning |
| 04:03.35 | grepper | multimedia*communications*protocol ? |
| 04:03.53 | grepper | antihc3: what distro do you use ? |
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| 04:04.19 | antihc3 | grepper: fedora |
| 04:04.36 | grepper | check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 04:04.55 | grepper | what programs crash ? |
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| 04:06.40 | antihc3 | grepper: Blender crashes with anamation. there is 4 things about unable to open dispaly and a Error connecting to X server |
| 04:07.04 | antihc3 | that is all that is in .xsession-errors |
| 04:08.10 | grepper | that is all from blender ? or 3 other apps ? |
| 04:12.42 | slayerbob | :o |
| 04:12.51 | slayerbob | you gots the imac already ? |
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| 04:14.04 | antihc3 | grepper: it is from xsettoot, xrdb, xmodmap, xmbind |
| 04:14.10 | antihc3 | grepper: nothing from blender |
| 04:14.27 | grepper | ok |
| 04:14.46 | grepper | so nothing more in the X log in /var/log/ ? |
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| 04:15.55 | antihc3 | grepper: i am looking thu them |
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| 04:19.44 | antihc3 | grepper: i dont see any errors or anything that looks wrong |
| 04:20.21 | grepper | antihc3: what have you changed recently ? |
| 04:20.35 | grepper | have you had a crash recently and not fsck'ed |
| 04:20.40 | grepper | installed something new ? |
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| 04:20.47 | antihc3 | grepper: well i have had this problem for a long time i just ignored it |
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| 04:21.48 | antihc3 | hmm i might want to fsck, i remember a lockup a long time ago |
| 04:22.30 | grepper | do it, yes |
| 04:22.41 | grepper | I just went through something similar |
| 04:22.46 | sbcl3 | anyone know a good JAVA IDE? |
| 04:22.53 | grepper | there were hundreds of inodes that needed fixing |
| 04:25.06 | antihc3 | bbiab |
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| 04:33.05 | slayerbob | i think i might have eaten too many kool fruits :( |
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| 04:54.47 | antihc3 | well grepper all seems to be good :D Thanks |
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| 04:54.59 | grepper | antihc3: nice |
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| 05:19.39 | oneforall | hey in the quata css editor where is it for the anchor tag colors? |
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| 05:25.32 | fenn | i just installed kde 3.4 and wanna know if this weird behavior is a bug or a "feature" |
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| 05:26.06 | fenn | if i open a new window in konqueror (file->new window) and click the close button, it quits all the open windows of that instance of konqueror |
| 05:26.10 | fenn | this is driving me nuts |
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| 05:26.38 | fenn | there's no way to close a window without losing all the other windows you have open |
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| 05:27.14 | abdo | fenn: so use tabs |
| 05:27.21 | oneforall | doesn't do that to me but I still have 3.2.2 |
| 05:27.48 | fenn | i don't use tabs.. how the hell am i supposed to close _one_ window? |
| 05:27.55 | fenn | is this normal behavior for konqueror? |
| 05:28.10 | fenn | i mean, does it do that on anyone else's computer? |
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| 05:28.24 | abdo | fenn: let me check |
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| 05:28.52 | abdo | fenn: doesnt do it to me |
| 05:29.01 | fenn | what version of kde are you using? |
| 05:29.02 | abdo | fenn: may I ask why you dont use tabs? |
| 05:29.11 | abdo | fenn: 3.4 |
| 05:29.23 | abdo | Ubuntu Hoary |
| 05:29.31 | fenn | i like having lots of windows spread around at the same time so i can read both at the same time |
| 05:30.04 | abdo | fenn: you must have a big-ass monitor then |
| 05:30.08 | fenn | also, i have a little script that opens a new konqueror window instead of launching a new process |
| 05:30.23 | fenn | it loads about 6 times faster than opening a new instance |
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| 05:30.46 | grepper | fenn: you are using "minimize memory usage" always config ? |
| 05:30.55 | grepper | that is probably what you are seeing |
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| 05:31.00 | grepper | closing one closes all |
| 05:31.15 | grepper | as you only have one instance running |
| 05:31.42 | abdo | grepper: right. basically they are all just one process |
| 05:31.42 | abdo | kill the parent and all the children die |
| 05:31.57 | grepper | he asked, I answered |
| 05:32.43 | fenn | is that new behavior in 3.4? |
| 05:32.48 | grepper | no |
| 05:33.02 | fenn | i have it set to for file browsing only |
| 05:33.45 | fenn | turning it off has no effect |
| 05:33.52 | grepper | ok |
| 05:34.39 | grepper | so using the same script in 3.3 it didn't act like this ? |
| 05:35.14 | grepper | I can open several konqs and close only one without any problem |
| 05:35.57 | grepper | and opening a new window is instantaneous |
| 05:36.09 | fenn | right, no problems until i upgraded |
| 05:36.42 | fenn | it doesn't seem to have anything to do with the script |
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| 05:37.41 | grepper | you are using preloading ? |
| 05:38.20 | fenn | max. number of instances kept preloaded: 1 |
| 05:38.49 | fenn | i see two "konqueror --silent"s on ps -ef |
| 05:38.52 | grepper | same as mine, no preload at startup |
| 05:39.12 | grepper | me too |
| 05:39.30 | grepper | I have one open with 6 tabs |
| 05:39.56 | fenn | er, actually only one konqueror --silent if i only have one konq open |
| 05:40.17 | fenn | hmm |
| 05:40.23 | fenn | if i close a tab it quits |
| 05:42.14 | grepper | yep, you've got problems |
| 05:42.23 | grepper | I certainly don't see any of that behavior here |
| 05:44.32 | abdo | fenn: are you using 3.4 or 3.4.1? |
| 05:45.09 | fenn | rpm -q kdebase: kdebase-3.4.1-1.0.fc3.kde |
| 05:46.03 | fenn | if it is crashing, i should get the kde crash handler, right? |
| 05:46.17 | abdo | try http://bugs.kde.org to see if anyone else is encountering this, and if not, file a report |
| 05:46.21 | abdo | fenn: right |
| 05:46.29 | fenn | i'm looking through the bug database right now |
| 05:46.32 | grepper | you might want to try clearing out user files in /tmp and mv'ing konquerorrc and perhaps $KDEHOME/share/apps/konqueror/ to see if it makes a diff |
| 05:49.07 | fenn | yes i'm thinking that rpm didn't upgrade something right |
| 05:49.36 | fenn | btw how do i turn off the green and red highlighted letters? |
| 05:49.49 | grepper | ? |
| 05:50.31 | fenn | uh.. on the "kde" menu, A in Accessories is highlighted green, for example. so, if i press A it will click on Accessories |
| 05:51.12 | fenn | this might also be a bug |
| 05:51.28 | grepper | must be a fc3/rh thing |
| 05:51.55 | fenn | one of these days i'm gonna switch to debian |
| 05:52.11 | fenn | but first i'm gnna try to fix this |
| 05:52.11 | abdo | fenn: thats the spirit ;-) |
| 05:52.39 | grepper | I can't see ever leaving debian at this point - or at least a distro that is very debian based |
| 05:52.53 | grepper | too old to relearn new tricks |
| 05:53.19 | grepper | relearn old tricks really |
| 05:53.51 | slayerbob | one of these days i'm going to switch to red hat 1.0 |
| 05:54.19 | grepper | its stable now ? |
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| 05:57.44 | grepper | ok, I'll take the hint and go to bed |
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| 05:59.10 | fenn | ride 'em cowboy |
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| 05:59.20 | fenn | it seems i forgot to install kdenetwork-3.4 |
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| 06:02.46 | DrZoot | hey everyone, read about the google summer of code the other day and seeing as how im eligible and kde is my favorite desktop thought it would be cool to do something for/with kde. problem is ive read through most of the ideas and nothing really jumps out at me, anyone got any more ideas? |
| 06:03.21 | fenn | write a .pdf editor :) |
| 06:03.46 | DrZoot | ill add that to the list |
| 06:04.07 | MrGrim | that;d be a big project |
| 06:04.19 | fenn | definitely |
| 06:04.34 | DrZoot | the one idea ive had is to take the core of lineak and intergrate with kde to a much better extent, writing an application to create new definitions and such |
| 06:06.02 | DrZoot | the app would also include some sort of functionality along the lines of the media-detect script |
| 06:06.09 | fenn | i'd love to have a graphical representation of the .rpm package dependency tree, so i know which package is causing all the dependencies |
| 06:06.43 | fenn | it might end up looking more like a tangled mass than a tree, though |
| 06:06.49 | DrZoot | yeah, i dont use an rpm based dist ( i use deb) but ive thought of something like that to, kinda like a tree view of a package and its dependacies |
| 06:06.59 | canllaith | dependan...... wha? |
| 06:07.09 | DrZoot | i cant spell |
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| 06:07.28 | canllaith | I don't understand what they mean, a package having... dependancies? |
| 06:08.20 | MrGrim | heh |
| 06:08.49 | MrGrim | my black & white disc is hosed :( |
| 06:08.53 | canllaith | Well, before cleaning downstairs I put kubuntu on my thinkpad and had a fiddle. |
| 06:09.01 | canllaith | It really looks like a sanely set up KDE |
| 06:09.10 | canllaith | I only changed like, 90% of the default settings instead of all of them ;) |
| 06:09.16 | MrGrim | hahahaha |
| 06:09.46 | DrZoot | i think i must have missed an insider joke with that dependancies thing |
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| 06:10.02 | canllaith | I use a distro with no dependancy checking or tracking of any kind. |
| 06:10.30 | MrGrim | canllaith is a masochist |
| 06:10.35 | canllaith | That's it baby |
| 06:10.51 | canllaith | bring on the whips & chains, beat me, hurt me, make me administer gentoo newbies. |
| 06:10.55 | MrGrim | she likes it rough |
| 06:11.05 | canllaith | only from MrGrim though. |
| 06:11.20 | MrGrim | I feel special |
| 06:11.40 | MrGrim | damn I'm so bored |
| 06:11.48 | MrGrim | I WAS gonna play a few hours of black & white |
| 06:12.13 | canllaith | you can come here and finish cleaning my house? |
| 06:12.25 | DrZoot | ahh right |
| 06:12.28 | canllaith | * I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me looooooove * (You have to listen to loud beatles though.) |
| 06:12.50 | MrGrim | (JuK) [Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band] 8 - The Beatles - Within You Without You [0:02/5:05] [MP3/160kbps/5.82MB] |
| 06:13.20 | canllaith | :) |
| 06:13.33 | canllaith | ahahahaha oh wow, I want one |
| 06:13.34 | canllaith | http://www.fredflare.com/customer/product.php?productid=35&cat=312 |
| 06:13.37 | fenn | canllaith, at least i don't have to deal with several hundred config files in /etc |
| 06:13.47 | canllaith | Aw, but that's all the FUN! |
| 06:13.55 | MrGrim | is there any other way to get linux to do what you want? |
| 06:14.00 | canllaith | in all seriousness, I use multiple unixes. At least they all have config files in /etc, mostly. |
| 06:14.12 | canllaith | Trying to remember all the gui tools can be a bit tricky over a dozen different unix implementations. |
| 06:14.17 | MrGrim | I hate /usr/local/etc |
| 06:14.19 | fenn | right about that |
| 06:14.36 | canllaith | I love that pink toolkit. I want one for when I get all hardware geeky |
| 06:14.38 | MrGrim | I like gui tools :) |
| 06:14.39 | fenn | well, not for configuring at least |
| 06:14.52 | canllaith | I like some of them. |
| 06:14.53 | MrGrim | kde's samba configurator kicks ass |
| 06:14.58 | canllaith | Yes! |
| 06:14.59 | canllaith | I love that. |
| 06:15.13 | canllaith | So does the KDM configurator, although it's annoying you have to edit the files then to enable XDMCP |
| 06:15.25 | DrZoot | anymore ideas for a good kde project? |
| 06:15.36 | canllaith | * It's been a hard days night... and I've been working like a dog.. * |
| 06:15.46 | canllaith | DrZoot: A really good networking tool wouldn't go astray |
| 06:15.57 | canllaith | Hrm, although that's so different distro to distro what file to edit |
| 06:16.18 | MrGrim | DrZoot: a gstreamer based media player w/ library capabilities ala amarok or juk and a nice interface like kaffeine |
| 06:16.20 | DrZoot | canllaith: can you clarify on that? |
| 06:16.32 | canllaith | DrZoot: front end to ifconfig and route |
| 06:16.50 | MrGrim | there are no advanced gstreamer based media players for kde |
| 06:17.18 | MrGrim | or... an arts source compatable replacement for arts that works as a C++ front end to gstreamer and jack :) |
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| 06:19.43 | MrGrim | it'd be so badass if kde4 offered tight integration w/ jack with whatever media architecture is ends up using |
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| 06:20.46 | DrZoot | speaking of kaffeine does anyone have the issue of it either seg faulting on close or going into some sort of loop and chewing up 100% cpu? |
| 06:21.47 | MrGrim | canllaith: that toolkit is ok.... but here is what I desperately want: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/monitor_2405fpw?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh |
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| 06:21.55 | canllaith | Is this the 23" ? |
| 06:22.03 | MrGrim | twenty FOUR |
| 06:22.08 | canllaith | oh 24!! |
| 06:22.12 | canllaith | How lovely |
| 06:22.24 | MrGrim | 16:10, 1920x1200... |
| 06:22.26 | canllaith | 12ms response is quite reasonable too. |
| 06:22.42 | canllaith | but.... TWENTY FOUR INCHES? |
| 06:22.43 | canllaith | That's just wow. |
| 06:23.00 | DrZoot | anyway peoples thanks heaps for the suggestions, hopefully i can come up with something :) |
| 06:23.03 | MrGrim | it isn't one of those 6 bit panels is it? |
| 06:23.27 | MrGrim | I couldn't get a lcd smaller than my crt :P |
| 06:23.42 | MrGrim | and my crt is 18" viewable.. and I can't stand 19" and only 1280x1024 |
| 06:23.47 | MrGrim | I could get a 2005fpw.. |
| 06:23.50 | MrGrim | but 24"... |
| 06:24.16 | MrGrim | dvd's would kick so much ass on it |
| 06:24.22 | canllaith | 6 bit panels? |
| 06:24.31 | canllaith | Hell yes, it would be nice :) |
| 06:24.37 | MrGrim | canllaith: a lot of the real low response time panels only use 6 bits to represent each primary color |
| 06:24.40 | MrGrim | and dither to fake 8 bit |
| 06:24.42 | MrGrim | looks like ass |
| 06:24.56 | canllaith | No, this one looks good. So I'll assume not. |
| 06:25.09 | MrGrim | chances are I'm picker than you too :) |
| 06:25.21 | MrGrim | what I think look slike ass to many people looks "fine" |
| 06:25.27 | MrGrim | tho I do think they are blind and/or crazy |
| 06:25.36 | canllaith | I don't like the 20" upstairs. It looks too coarse to be. |
| 06:25.38 | canllaith | to me ** |
| 06:25.49 | MrGrim | what res? |
| 06:26.12 | canllaith | 1600x1200 |
| 06:26.47 | canllaith | Philips. It's ok. I think my philips crt has a nicer picture.... but of course the LCD Is easier on the eyes in that I don't get a headache from flicker |
| 06:27.12 | MrGrim | my old ass trinitron is really gettin blurry these days |
| 06:27.24 | MrGrim | the dell 2405fpw has 94dpi |
| 06:27.48 | canllaith | I'm currently using a 12" at 1024x768 |
| 06:28.06 | MrGrim | a 20" lcd at 1600x1200 has 100dpi |
| 06:28.10 | canllaith | It's the nicest LCD I've ever seen on a laptop and I've owned quite a few. |
| 06:28.11 | canllaith | Yep |
| 06:28.32 | MrGrim | I'm running at 111 dpi right now |
| 06:28.49 | MrGrim | 1600x1200 on 18" viewable crt |
| 06:29.15 | canllaith | I believe I'm at 106 |
| 06:29.23 | canllaith | screen #0: |
| 06:29.23 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.23 | canllaith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.02 | MrGrim | so I'll take a dpi hit, but I'll gain 320 horizontal pixels and it'll be a big ass monitor |
| 06:30.19 | MrGrim | I think I'll be able to get one in a couple o fmonths too |
| 06:30.28 | canllaith | sweet :) |
| 06:33.16 | MrGrim | kaboodle is cool |
| 06:33.59 | MrGrim | for poking around the fs or test listening of new music you have't heard it starts fast and works perfectly |
| 06:34.07 | MrGrim | so much better than having noatun my default player "{ |
| 06:34.09 | MrGrim | :P too |
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| 06:45.52 | MrGrim | their titles are kinda plain :P |
| 06:45.56 | MrGrim | erm m/c |
| 06:49.03 | MrGrim | (JuK) [Think Tank] 5 - Blur - On The Way To The Club [0:09/3:48] [MP3/201kbps/5.47MB] |
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| 07:55.15 | boro_O | hello - I can only run kde as root, all other users make kdm report a 'login failed', even though the password is correct |
| 07:55.43 | boro_O | i didn't have this problem with my previous installation |
| 07:56.04 | boro_O | currently, i'm running a 2.6 kernel with kde 3.3 |
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| 07:56.41 | boro_O | it seems to be a common problem, since there are so many hits on google for it, but the solutions offered, if any, don't rock my boat :) |
| 07:56.51 | canllaith | What solution is that? |
| 07:56.54 | canllaith | and is kcheckpass setuid root? |
| 07:57.18 | canllaith | hrm well, KDM should be run as root so that wouldn't affect it |
| 07:57.22 | boro_O | canllaith: how do I check that ? |
| 07:57.31 | canllaith | Is kdm being run as root? |
| 07:57.40 | boro_O | yes |
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| 07:57.51 | boro_O | I didn't think it was possible to run kdm as another user |
| 07:57.54 | canllaith | baby-dell% ls -l `which kcheckpass` |
| 07:57.55 | canllaith | -rwxr-xr-x 1 dessa users 10080 2005-06-02 13:57 /opt/kde-3.4/bin/kcheckpass |
| 07:57.58 | boro_O | I always get 'only root wants to run kdm' |
| 07:58.11 | canllaith | Which as you can see by mine, it's not setuid root at all so next time I go to lock my screen I wont be able to get back in :) |
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| 07:58.26 | canllaith | It should have an s as the first letter of the permissions there and be owned by root.root or root.bin |
| 07:58.28 | boro_O | hehe |
| 07:58.34 | boro_O | i get root as owner and group |
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| 07:59.05 | gregday | canllaith: you around? |
| 07:59.31 | canllaith | yeppers |
| 07:59.38 | canllaith | boro_O: -rwsr-sr-x 1 root bin 10080 2005-06-02 13:57 /opt/kde-3.4/bin/kcheckpass |
| 07:59.46 | canllaith | should look something like that, with some s' in it |
| 08:00.02 | boro_O | -rws--x--x 1 root root 11880 Feb 26 13:46 /usr/kde/3.3/bin/kcheckpass |
| 08:00.13 | boro_O | is that ok, canllaith ? |
| 08:00.32 | canllaith | prolly :) |
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| 08:00.41 | canllaith | of course I don't know that kdm needs kcheckpass. Hrm |
| 08:00.45 | canllaith | what distro are you using ? |
| 08:00.51 | boro_O | gentoo |
| 08:01.10 | boro_O | i've read some recommendations back for kde 2.0 (?) to always use checkpass |
| 08:01.33 | boro_O | don't know if they followed that person's opinion :) |
| 08:02.05 | canllaith | hrm do you have all of kdelibs + kdebase installed or are you using split ebuilds? :) |
| 08:02.17 | boro_O | I just emerged the whole thing |
| 08:02.22 | canllaith | ok, that helps. |
| 08:02.23 | boro_O | (took ages to compile :p) |
| 08:02.28 | canllaith | I bet it did :P |
| 08:02.35 | canllaith | Does your distro use pam ? |
| 08:02.37 | canllaith | I think it does |
| 08:02.57 | canllaith | Just to check the most obvious thing |
| 08:02.59 | boro_O | hm that's some kind of authentication system, isn't it ? |
| 08:03.08 | boro_O | I think I came across that a couple of times |
| 08:03.17 | canllaith | Can you log in as root, then go to the KDE control panel and use the login configurator thingy to make sure that non root users are actually allowed to login? |
| 08:03.24 | boro_O | ah |
| 08:03.27 | boro_O | I'll try |
| 08:03.37 | canllaith | Kcontrol -> System Administration -> Login Manager |
| 08:03.44 | canllaith | well if you're logged into that machine atm you can just run kcontrol |
| 08:04.38 | boro_O | I'm in the control panel right now |
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| 08:05.23 | boro_O | canllaith: I'm trying to figure out the same thing |
| 08:05.33 | boro_O | it seems to be a frontend for the kdmrc file |
| 08:05.44 | boro_O | doesn't say anything about allowing/disallowing users to login |
| 08:06.23 | boro_O | canllaith: I'll check my log files for pam errors |
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| 08:06.55 | canllaith | boro_O: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-linux-e/2004-Feb/1173.html |
| 08:07.13 | boro_O | aha |
| 08:07.14 | boro_O | Jun 4 08:41:36 [kde(pam_unix)] 1 more authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost= user=sunna |
| 08:07.36 | canllaith | ah :) |
| 08:07.45 | canllaith | I had a feeling it was pam. Ok... |
| 08:09.21 | canllaith | my distro doesn't use pam so I'm not sure exactly what the go is |
| 08:09.30 | canllaith | but I'm assuming you can tweak the /etc/pam.d/login file |
| 08:09.39 | boro_O | canllaith: I'll find my way from here |
| 08:09.45 | boro_O | ok |
| 08:09.51 | canllaith | k :) |
| 08:09.51 | boro_O | thx for your insight :) |
| 08:09.53 | canllaith | yw |
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| 08:38.12 | kendrick | someone here good at art? :) |
| 08:38.28 | termo | the art of what? |
| 08:38.57 | kendrick | hehe |
| 08:38.59 | kendrick | drawing :) |
| 08:39.16 | kendrick | We need something like this: http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/picnix/picnix14.png |
| 08:39.20 | kendrick | But, you know... Good :) |
| 08:39.21 | termo | hmm |
| 08:39.55 | kendrick | (btw, anyone who'll be in the SF Bay area in August -- say, for LinuxWorld Expo -- come to Picn*x!) |
| 08:40.57 | termo | picn*x is a picnick place? |
| 08:40.59 | termo | :) |
| 08:41.26 | kendrick | it's a picnic :) |
| 08:41.40 | kendrick | Linux anniversary picnic. Started with "Linux10" in 2001. |
| 08:41.46 | kendrick | (Linux's 10th birthdya, of course!) |
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| 08:42.01 | termo | heh, nice |
| 08:42.06 | kendrick | yeah |
| 08:42.08 | kendrick | 200-400 people show uop |
| 08:42.17 | kendrick | eat free food, hang out and have fun... very nice :) |
| 08:42.28 | kendrick | this year oracle, google, penguin computing, and a bunch of others are sponsoring |
| 08:42.49 | kendrick | i'm kicking people in the pants to get the thing coordinated (and, of course, ended up as official co-coordinator :^P ) |
| 08:43.04 | kendrick | and went nuts adding content to a wiki for the volunteers to look at and maintain |
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| 08:43.22 | termo | ah, ic |
| 08:43.43 | kendrick | someone else came up with the cool "PICN*X XIV" (roman numeral) idea, and using the "X"s as legs to a picnic table, and I decided to try to Inkscape it |
| 08:44.00 | termo | well, I'm afraid I'm not the painter you are looking for :) |
| 08:44.03 | kendrick | hehe :) |
| 08:44.22 | kendrick | last year google made tshirts for the event, and had an artist re-implement our simple logo on a cool looking black t-shirt |
| 08:44.33 | kendrick | so maybe we can get that artist to do the official Px14 logo :) |
| 08:44.48 | kendrick | anyway, i should really get to bed. :) thanks for letting me talk at you. ;) |
| 08:45.21 | termo | nn |
| 08:47.06 | slayerbob | lol kendrick |
| 08:47.47 | sredna | Hello slayerbob |
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| 08:47.55 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 08:47.57 | slayerbob | hiya sredna |
| 08:48.00 | slayerbob | hiya Flendor |
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| 08:48.09 | Flendor | Morning slayer :) How art thee? |
| 08:48.11 | slayerbob | how goes the applying sredna ? :P |
| 08:48.15 | rober | hi there |
| 08:48.20 | Flendor | Hello rober |
| 08:48.30 | slayerbob | oh not too bad Flendor - have been up for two busy days now so am starting to feel a little sleepy |
| 08:48.39 | Flendor | Oh :) Sleep = good |
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| 08:48.45 | Flendor | Hello greg |
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| 08:58.17 | Japsu | sleep = bad, coke = good |
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| 09:11.01 | praseodymium | how do I get KDE to turnoff numlock on at startup |
| 09:11.20 | Japsu | praseodymium: under Control Center -> Peripherals -> Keyboard I think |
| 09:11.36 | Japsu | yep |
| 09:12.50 | praseodymium | dont have that |
| 09:12.57 | curious101 | can you help me with KDE and aRTS? |
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| 09:14.34 | sredna | curious101: Ask your question please |
| 09:15.05 | sredna | slayerbob: The applying is progressing ... now I wait and hope ;) |
| 09:15.12 | curious101 | when i issue the command "artsplay /path/to/mp3file" the sound plays but it is garbled... |
| 09:15.38 | Flendor | Hey sredna |
| 09:16.05 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
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| 09:16.35 | curious101 | sredna, what do you think is the problem? |
| 09:17.20 | sredna | curious101: I'm really not good with sound. But which backend are you using? (alsa, oss...) |
| 09:18.29 | curious101 | i had it configured as "auto detect" in the control center...but when I'm using OSS in XMMs, X hangs until I stopped the mp3 playing |
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| 09:22.20 | sredna | You should have xmms use arts, it can do that |
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| 09:23.37 | curious101 | yes, I did that...but the sound is garbled. I just don't know why. It's like an 8-bit sound...very low quality. |
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| 09:43.37 | gourdin_ | anyone knows why kgpg -s bla.txt.asc doens't return a text editor with bla.txt inside as it was in the 3.3.x version ? |
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| 09:47.07 | pinotree | hello |
| 09:47.54 | thinkfat | Hi, is there any way to make kmail not mess up nested HTML mails from Outlook when replying to them? |
| 09:52.16 | canllaith | tell people html email is evil? :P |
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| 09:54.17 | Flendor | html email is evil? :? |
| 09:54.22 | Tronic | Flendor: Yes, it is. |
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| 09:54.35 | thinkfat | nothing I can do against company policy |
| 09:54.41 | Tronic | It is severely against the e-mail etiquette. |
| 09:54.43 | canllaith | attempting to read it with pine is awful, I delete them immediately. |
| 09:54.53 | Flendor | Oh. |
| 09:55.09 | Tronic | Quite many spam filters also think of HTML mail as spam. |
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| 09:55.44 | Novell | yeah, mine does that too |
| 09:55.52 | Novell | html -> spam |
| 09:56.01 | Novell | err <-> |
| 09:56.38 | thinkfat | so, in other words, nothing can be done about that? |
| 09:57.37 | Tronic | thinkfat: I guess that you could simply not quote the original mail at all. |
| 09:57.50 | Tronic | (and instead tell them to use text email) |
| 09:58.29 | thinkfat | Tronic: that is not going to work, either. Tell 100+ people including the CEO to stop using Outlook and HTML email - not quite a realistic assumption |
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| 09:59.36 | _poison | thinkfat: LOL ... yeah ... specially if your boss dictates to use a HTML footer in your email complete with scrolling text and image =P |
| 09:59.42 | Tronic | thinkfat: I didn't tell you to tell them to stop using Outlook. |
| 09:59.47 | Tronic | Just HTML e-mail. |
| 10:00.13 | thinkfat | Tronic: yeah, but that's just impossible as well |
| 10:00.22 | Tronic | Besides, you don't need them all to stop using that. Just the ones you e-mail a lot with. |
| 10:01.03 | thinkfat | Tronic: which includes the CEO, unfortunately, so - no way... |
| 10:01.42 | Tronic | Hmpf. I hate it when people don't want to be troublemakers. |
| 10:02.24 | Novell | hehe |
| 10:02.41 | thinkfat | Tronic: you're quite young, aren't you? |
| 10:02.55 | Tronic | Troublemaker is a person who doesn't quietly accept every company policy. |
| 10:03.19 | Tronic | thinkfat: Yes, I guess that someone could say so. |
| 10:04.11 | Novell | I have to say, having a policy that you must be sending spam-like email is stupid.. |
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| 10:07.13 | thinkfat | Novell: well, that is all correct and I agree to it, but it does not solve the problem in any way... I guess I'll have to use Thunderbird instead - which unfortunately also rules out Kontact, and that's a real loss... |
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| 10:08.05 | Flendor | I cannot use Thunderbird well - I have problems with character encoding.. |
| 10:08.29 | Tronic | http://www.tyborg.com/2005/02/16/its-company-policy/ |
| 10:08.34 | Flendor | Tried selecting Unicode, but still, Turkish characters that I send don't appear when other people read them. |
| 10:09.31 | Tronic | Flendor: When you send, or when you reply? |
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| 10:10.00 | Tronic | Flendor: When replying, it by default uses the same charset as the original message. You have to check a checkbox to use UTF-8 on that too. |
| 10:10.39 | Tronic | (however, it also should complain when sending the e-mail, if it contains unsupported characters, and offer sending it in UTF-8 instead) |
| 10:11.16 | Tronic | Thus, I suspect that the problem is at the other end (turkish fonts installed, UTF-8-compliant clients). |
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| 10:13.19 | _RADIOhead | Flendor, :) long time man |
| 10:13.22 | _RADIOhead | how are you? |
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| 10:26.37 | Nixen | Hi, KDE had prepared its ideas for Google, isn't? |
| 10:26.43 | reuben | yes |
| 10:27.04 | reuben | Nixen: http://developer.kde.org/joining/googlesummerofcode.html |
| 10:27.12 | Nixen | can you give me a link? |
| 10:27.14 | Nixen | ok, thanks |
| 10:27.15 | Nixen | :) |
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| 10:43.53 | Diavolo | hi |
| 10:43.55 | Diavolo | i have problems with kdm |
| 10:44.02 | Diavolo | it does not start on boot bug manually i can start it |
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| 10:46.08 | reuben | mmm |
| 10:46.19 | reuben | you need to start it with init.d |
| 10:46.28 | reuben | err, add it to init.d |
| 10:46.32 | reuben | what distro Diavolo? |
| 10:46.35 | Diavolo | gentoo |
| 10:46.39 | Diavolo | I have no /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 10:46.48 | Diavolo | but a friend also does not have it but there it stars |
| 10:46.50 | Diavolo | starts |
| 10:46.53 | reuben | theres a command you need to run i think one second |
| 10:47.56 | sredna | Diavolo: You need to add xdm to your default runlevel |
| 10:48.01 | Diavolo | xdm? |
| 10:48.10 | sredna | Diavolo: There is a place to set which displaymanager to use |
| 10:48.11 | sredna | Moment |
| 10:48.13 | Diavolo | tuxbox kdm # rc-update add xdm default |
| 10:48.14 | Diavolo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.18 | Diavolo | sredna: In rc.conf |
| 10:48.21 | reuben | type: rc-update add xdm default |
| 10:48.52 | reuben | actually, first type: nano /etc/rc.conf |
| 10:49.25 | reuben | and change the line which starts DISPLAYMANAGER to be DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm" |
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| 10:49.34 | Diavolo | it's all done reuben |
| 10:49.35 | reuben | so, DISPLAYMn |
| 10:49.41 | reuben | grrm |
| 10:49.41 | Diavolo | the config seems to be correct |
| 10:49.42 | reuben | odd |
| 10:49.48 | sredna | Diavolo: And it does not start? |
| 10:49.50 | Diavolo | no |
| 10:50.13 | sredna | What KDE version, and how did you install? |
| 10:50.20 | Diavolo | 3.4.1, i emerge it |
| 10:50.35 | sredna | You may want to ask in #gentoo-kde |
| 10:50.38 | Diavolo | ok |
| 10:50.44 | sredna | That should really work I'd say |
| 10:53.28 | Diavolo | brb |
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| 10:56.29 | Diavolo | so |
| 10:56.30 | Diavolo | i replaced my kdmrc with one a friend sent me |
| 10:56.40 | xst | I installed karamba (superkaramba) but where do I configure it? |
| 10:56.50 | Diavolo | kdm works fine after starting it manually, but not on boot |
| 10:57.08 | _RADIOhead | sredna, :) hia |
| 10:57.13 | Diavolo | i have to login as root, make killall kdm and then start kdm again |
| 10:57.17 | sredna | Hello radi0head |
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| 10:57.33 | _RADIOhead | no sredna _RADIOhead :) i add _ LOL |
| 10:57.34 | reuben | make killall kdm? |
| 10:57.43 | Diavolo | kdm seems to run |
| 10:57.46 | sredna | Eew |
| 10:57.49 | Diavolo | so i have to kill it |
| 10:58.00 | sredna | I have to patch ksirc to ignore ^\W |
| 10:58.07 | _RADIOhead | anyone here compiled kde 3.4.1 on amd64 |
| 10:58.08 | _RADIOhead | ? |
| 10:58.29 | sredna | Diavolo: Obviously there is some sort of misconfiguration |
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| 11:01.33 | nigh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.46 | HenkPoley | nigh, spot the image file that is responsible :-P |
| 11:04.14 | HenkPoley | try something like: locate kmenu | grep -i png |
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| 11:04.40 | nigh | i found kmenu.png |
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| 11:04.56 | nigh | but this is the right file |
| 11:05.13 | HenkPoley | Just back it up and try :-P |
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| 11:05.53 | nigh | i'll try "locate" |
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| 11:06.45 | _RADIOhead | anyone here compiled kde 3.4.1 on amd64? |
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| 11:07.05 | johan_ | whats the command linbe to access look and feel |
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| 11:10.27 | synackrst | heya, how do i add usb drives to the media:/ folder? |
| 11:10.46 | synackrst | (in konqueror) |
| 11:11.51 | Quinn_Storm | I'm having a similar problem..my cd drives aren't appearing in media:/ |
| 11:12.05 | synackrst | do we put them in fstab maybe? |
| 11:13.04 | jamesconf | I only have two partitions in media:/ |
| 11:13.07 | synackrst | chillmann: that's nice. |
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| 11:13.21 | chillmann | synackrst: :-) |
| 11:13.57 | chillmann | synackrst: my media:/ list does correspond with my fstab entries |
| 11:14.23 | chillmann | synackrst: maybe you need to enter your drives in fstab |
| 11:14.34 | nigh | HenkPoley: it seems that the star has diffrent name. It's not kmenu.png |
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| 11:15.37 | synackrst | yes |
| 11:15.42 | synackrst | it needed to be put in fstab |
| 11:17.06 | synackrst | clicking on them now is telling me only root can mount them |
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| 11:17.19 | jamesconf | synackrst: yeah thats normal :p |
| 11:17.19 | synackrst | i chgrpd the device to a group i am in... what else do i need to do? |
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| 11:17.54 | jamesconf | synackrst: for removable media set the user option |
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| 11:18.07 | synackrst | its a usb drive, i put it in fstab with uid=me |
| 11:18.13 | synackrst | what other user option? |
| 11:18.26 | jamesconf | or owner. |
| 11:18.48 | Quinn_Storm | my /media only shows part of my fstab...and yes the cdroms are set to my group (cdrom) and user option is set |
| 11:18.52 | synackrst | ok |
| 11:19.07 | jamesconf | but I am with Quinn_Storm on this one, |
| 11:19.10 | synackrst | yay |
| 11:19.11 | synackrst | works :) |
| 11:19.21 | synackrst | thanks james |
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| 11:21.24 | synackrst | ls -l /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:21.26 | synackrst | oops |
| 11:21.39 | jamesconf | I was waiting for su |
| 11:21.48 | synackrst | lol |
| 11:24.23 | Quinn_Storm | grr, my cd drives STILL won't show...wtf.... |
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| 11:24.51 | jamesconf | Quinn_Storm: got the same thing, looking around on gogole my self |
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| 11:31.45 | johan_ | can you make konqueror transparent |
| 11:31.50 | johan_ | background |
| 11:32.24 | jamesconf | no and yes |
| 11:33.30 | jamesconf | well just no, don't see any way to do that. |
| 11:34.52 | johan_ | ok |
| 11:41.20 | Quinn_Storm | ugh I still can't find anything on it... |
| 11:41.42 | jamesconf | Quinn_Storm: I gave up looking |
| 11:41.58 | jamesconf | Quinn_Storm: found nothing as well. |
| 11:43.33 | Quinn_Storm | it can't be like a misread fstab or something...they show up in kinfocenter... |
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| 11:52.16 | Zeep | Hi all |
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| 11:59.37 | nawar | yaoo |
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| 12:15.40 | bluesceada | which are the probably best CFLAGS to compile 3.4.1 for athlon xp ? 256kb cache |
| 12:15.52 | anhi | ricer my ass |
| 12:15.52 | bluesceada | -O2 ? |
| 12:16.09 | bluesceada | and -ftracer ? |
| 12:16.17 | bluesceada | and which LDFLAGS |
| 12:17.15 | bluesceada | or which standard flags should be used ? |
| 12:17.16 | anhi | try with -gcc-godmode and 02 (mind the 0, not O) |
| 12:17.20 | bluesceada | -.- |
| 12:18.29 | bluesceada | btw i think when emptying the trash there should be first a dialog "do you really want to empty the trash" |
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| 12:26.40 | Quinn_Storm | my media:/ only shows part of my fstab...more specifically it shows everything BUT my two cdrom drives (one cd-r, one dvd actually)...everything else can handle them fine and their fstab entries are fine (managed by fstab-sync actually)...it shows my floppy, zip100, and hd partitions just fine...can anyone help me fix this? google and bugs.kde.org have been useless... |
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| 12:34.04 | spiryt | Quinn_Storm: have you tried not using fstab sync and installing pmount ? |
| 12:34.31 | spiryt | Quinn_Storm: and also check your desktop preferences |
| 12:35.02 | Quinn_Storm | ok, gotta set up the overlay so I can emerge pmount |
| 12:35.38 | spiryt | Quinn_Storm: then you will have to remove link 50-fstab-sync.hal from /etc/hal/device.d |
| 12:36.14 | Quinn_Storm | spiryt: I'm at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_D-BUS,_HAL,_KDE_media:/ which will handle that part, but thanks, will check back once its set up |
| 12:36.46 | spiryt | Quinn_Storm: no prbl |
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| 12:44.18 | expose | What do you need in order to make kcontrol work with rss-glx? (a set of xscreensaver screensavers) |
| 12:44.55 | expose | i installed kcontrol itself, kscreensaver, xscreensaver, and rss-glx but it still doesnt seem to let me configure the screensavers in kcontrol |
| 12:45.06 | expose | also, i cannot test them there or something |
| 12:45.10 | Quinn_Storm | expose: there's a kscreensaver/xscreensaver connection module...kxscreensaver It hink |
| 12:45.23 | expose | I see, thanks. |
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| 12:46.50 | expose | Hm. |
| 12:47.22 | expose | Well - i cant find it currently - but do i need it? since rss-glx provides kde-specific stuff. |
| 12:47.33 | Quinn_Storm | yeah you do I think |
| 12:47.43 | Quinn_Storm | I'm not sure |
| 12:47.54 | Quinn_Storm | what distro are you using? |
| 12:48.03 | expose | like /usr/share/control-center/screensavers/<screensaver>.xml and so on |
| 12:48.07 | expose | Quinn_Storm: gentoo |
| 12:48.11 | Quinn_Storm | expose: ok, hang on |
| 12:49.17 | Quinn_Storm | I remember this problem but I've forgotten the solution |
| 12:49.19 | Quinn_Storm | still looking... |
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| 12:51.31 | spiryt | expose: emerge kdeartwork-kscreensaver with xscreensaver use flag |
| 12:51.52 | spiryt | expose: or just kdeartwork if using monolithic builds |
| 12:52.14 | expose | thanks |
| 12:52.33 | expose | didnt expect such a "connector" to be found within kdeartwork-* |
| 12:53.18 | spiryt | expose: me neither |
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| 12:53.38 | expose | i'd put it into kscreensaver directly... |
| 12:54.21 | spiryt | expose: I am using monolithic builds so it is not a problem for me |
| 12:55.18 | spiryt | cat /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc|grep $1 |
| 12:55.34 | spiryt | oops |
| 12:55.38 | spiryt | wrong window |
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| 12:57.52 | Legolas | faltreafaltra31 |
| 12:59.45 | Legolas | I was messing around with the settings in Konqueror and got rid of some menu icons that I can get back does anyone know how |
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| 13:01.57 | Legolas | join #suse |
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| 13:07.46 | _poison | is there a way to automgic create a implementation skeleton for a class declaration ? |
| 13:07.57 | _poison | in kdevelop ... |
| 13:08.31 | pinotree | _poison: --> #kdevelop |
| 13:08.55 | _poison | pinotree: it's really silent in there ^^ |
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| 13:14.18 | Legolas | I was messing around with the settings in Konqueror and got rid of some menu icons that I can get back does anyone know how to restore it to the way it was when I installed |
| 13:15.07 | Legolas | I was messing around with the settings in Konqueror and got rid of some menu icons that I cant get back I mean does anyone know how to restore it to the way it was when I installed |
| 13:15.09 | kaiowa | hi, how could i load a karamba script when i start??? |
| 13:15.24 | kaiowa | any help plz?? |
| 13:15.50 | Legolas | put it in your bin folder then modify you KDE startup file |
| 13:15.59 | grepper | kaiowa: $KDEHOME/Autostart |
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| 13:16.44 | kaiowa | i put there a sh script ??? right?? |
| 13:16.54 | grepper | put a shell script in there that runs it. You could also try just saving the session with karamba and the script running |
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| 13:18.10 | Legolas | put it in your bin folder then modify you KDE startup file |
| 13:18.12 | Legolas | I was messing around with the settings in Konqueror and got rid of some menu icons that I cant get back I mean does anyone know how to restore it to the way it was when I installed |
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| 13:22.56 | grepper | Legolas: konquerorrc - just mv it to another name |
| 13:23.26 | Legolas | MV? |
| 13:23.48 | Legolas | you completely lost me |
| 13:23.55 | grepper | move |
| 13:23.57 | Legolas | Im very new to this suse thing |
| 13:24.10 | grepper | mv is a command |
| 13:25.47 | Legolas | ok I got it now I will try |
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| 13:26.28 | Legolas | where would I find the Konqueror file |
| 13:27.43 | Legolas | kde/share/apps, right |
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| 13:31.03 | Legolas | ok I changed it but nothing happend |
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| 13:32.49 | Legolas | im gonna reboot and see what happens |
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| 13:39.03 | Legolas | I changed the Konqueror.rc file and it worked |
| 13:39.07 | Legolas | thanks |
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| 13:41.00 | grepper | certainly you didn't need to reboot, or even logout |
| 13:41.47 | Legolas | what should I have done |
| 13:42.10 | Legolas | it didnt make a new .rc file should I change the name back now |
| 13:42.50 | grepper | you don't have a ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ? |
| 13:43.31 | canllaith | No, it wont |
| 13:43.37 | canllaith | until you change the settings away from system defaults |
| 13:43.41 | canllaith | it wont write out a new one, it doesn't need to. |
| 13:43.51 | Legolas | I changed the name like you told me to and rebooted, when I went back to the folder it had the file that I changed the name to and thats it |
| 13:43.54 | canllaith | It only needs to write out a new one so it can remember your changes. |
| 13:43.59 | grepper | ok |
| 13:44.13 | canllaith | If you have reset it to system settings and then not changed anything yet it wont write out a new konquerorrc, it will use the one in $KDEDIR |
| 13:44.18 | grepper | Legolas: no, don't change it back, or you will be back where you started |
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| 13:44.42 | Legolas | LOL oh ok, So I could have just deleted the file all together right |
| 13:45.24 | grepper | always safer to rename something till you are sure there is nothing you want in it |
| 13:46.02 | Legolas | makes sense |
| 13:46.19 | grepper | which you will discover 2 minutes (on average) after you delete it :P |
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| 13:46.41 | Legolas | lol |
| 13:46.43 | canllaith | Indeed. Murpheys law. |
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| 13:47.20 | Legolas | ok thanks Grepper, im out |
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| 14:24.28 | max | hi all |
| 14:24.39 | pinotree | hello max |
| 14:25.05 | max | I have some trouble can anyone help me? |
| 14:25.29 | pinotree | max: don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 14:26.01 | max | lol ok............amarok...........it wont work...........it start but when I play a file it crashes or simply stay mute........... |
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| 14:26.19 | max | I tried warius engines like xine atrs and gstramer but no way |
| 14:26.35 | pinotree | max: --> #amarok |
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| 14:27.24 | max | ? |
| 14:28.09 | pinotree | max: try asking in the channel #amarok |
| 14:28.21 | max | oh ok sorry I'm so new to this |
| 14:28.24 | max | k ty |
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| 14:51.47 | Shuddertrix | Where is the configuration for the k menu? |
| 14:55.11 | Shuddertrix | I've got a screwed up k menu and just want to copy over the configuration from my other user |
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| 14:56.42 | grepper | Shuddertrix: try mv'ing ~/.local and ~/.config |
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| 14:59.47 | Shuddertrix | The other user account has no .config |
| 14:59.59 | Shuddertrix | Has a local however, and it's copied over. |
| 15:00.23 | grepper | I'm not talking about the other user |
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| 15:00.48 | Shuddertrix | oh, you said mv. |
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| 15:01.23 | Shuddertrix | wait, what's that going to do |
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| 15:03.41 | Shuddertrix | Seeing as how there's only the Trash and a few .desktop files I put in it, and the .config only had menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu |
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| 15:05.51 | grepper | your kmenu customizations |
| 15:07.00 | Shuddertrix | ... |
| 15:07.24 | Shuddertrix | let me guess, i have to drop my session to see the changes? |
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| 15:08.06 | grepper | you could try running kbuildsycoca --noincremental |
| 15:08.16 | grepper | then dcop kicker kicker restart |
| 15:10.54 | Shuddertrix | Lots of warnings with kbuildsycoca --noincremental, i see a lot of vim. |
| 15:11.41 | Shuddertrix | well, that fixed it, thanks. |
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| 15:16.30 | thakat | Goodmorning everyone. |
| 15:17.11 | aseigo | morning |
| 15:18.27 | HenkPoley | I just connected with SSH to my Mac Mini from zeroconf:/ cool :-) |
| 15:19.06 | HenkPoley | Needed only a slight adaptation, SSH looks up DNS from my router which lists the machine as tijgetje.lan and not as tijgetje.local |
| 15:19.18 | HenkPoley | so I changed my router settings :-P |
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| 16:11.28 | eean | you mean trunk? |
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| 17:09.17 | uhuh | in kde 4, will it finally be equal as good as windows when it comes to hardware and multimedia? |
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| 17:10.24 | nexu | hardware -> kernel related |
| 17:11.22 | uhuh | yes but the kernel and kde |
| 17:11.28 | uhuh | they dont operate good together |
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| 17:12.20 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 17:13.18 | da_bon_bon | my kde (slackware) is BADLY BROKEN -- i start any kde specific program within kde -- konsole, noatun -- it doesnt start, kills my kdesktop, kdesktop restarts, and it looks ok, but the problem persists -- please help |
| 17:13.26 | da_bon_bon | i removed and install maybe 5 times |
| 17:16.12 | da_bon_bon | anyone here ? |
| 17:16.33 | a_thing | no |
| 17:17.58 | da_bon_bon | a_thing: :P |
| 17:18.27 | da_bon_bon | why is my kde b0rken ? |
| 17:18.27 | da_bon_bon | can a kernel compile change cause it ? |
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| 17:18.36 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: ok erm what errors are you getting |
| 17:19.25 | Slackman | like from runlevel 3, do a xinit |
| 17:19.36 | Slackman | then startkde and see what errors it produces |
| 17:19.49 | Slackman | if thats fine, load up xterm |
| 17:19.58 | Slackman | then type konsole |
| 17:20.06 | Slackman | and see what messages you get |
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| 17:21.58 | da_bon_bon | some1 posted anythign ehere ? |
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| 17:22.00 | da_bon_bon | here |
| 17:22.03 | da_bon_bon | i was disconnected |
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| 17:23.57 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: i did |
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| 17:24.13 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: can you please repost ? i missed it :( |
| 17:24.18 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: ok erm what errors are you getting |
| 17:24.27 | Slackman | like from runlevel 3, do a xinit |
| 17:24.35 | Slackman | like from runlevel 3, do a xinit |
| 17:24.43 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: no errors at all -- not in .xsession , not on the terminal to |
| 17:24.44 | Slackman | like from runlevel 3, do a xinit |
| 17:24.47 | da_bon_bon | i tried from init 3 |
| 17:24.52 | Slackman | oops |
| 17:25.13 | uhuh | I am Searching For Hackors who can Hack a hotmail |
| 17:25.15 | Slackman | hmm did you try renaming your .kde ? |
| 17:25.29 | da_bon_bon | did that too |
| 17:25.32 | Slackman | uhuh: hack a hotmail? |
| 17:25.38 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: then this is not the place |
| 17:25.40 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: hmm not sure |
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| 17:25.49 | uhuh | YEs i need many hackers to hack hotmail! |
| 17:26.00 | Slackman | uhuh: try in #uberl33t |
| 17:26.04 | uhuh | ok |
| 17:26.09 | da_bon_bon | lol |
| 17:26.12 | Slackman | heh |
| 17:26.26 | uhuh | just me there! its because ia m the only uberl33t from IRC |
| 17:26.38 | Slackman | hahaha |
| 17:26.45 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: its coz u r the only sucker out here |
| 17:26.49 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: try undernet |
| 17:26.49 | Slackman | uhuh: this really isn't the channel dude |
| 17:26.50 | Japsu | hmm |
| 17:27.01 | Slackman | uhuh: we don't Crack stuff here |
| 17:27.11 | da_bon_bon | not for free, atleast :D |
| 17:27.28 | Slackman | i'm up for sexual favours though |
| 17:27.37 | da_bon_bon | heh |
| 17:27.39 | da_bon_bon | lol |
| 17:27.42 | Japsu | where are the current translations located in the SVN trunk? l10n? |
| 17:27.45 | uhuh | You can join #uberl33t, but i am going to Ban you if you ar not l33t enough |
| 17:28.20 | Slackman | uhuh: if you have forgotten your hotmail password you can always ring microsoft tech support |
| 17:28.30 | Slackman | i'm sure they'll help you out |
| 17:28.35 | uhuh | no I want to hAck every hotmail in the world |
| 17:28.45 | uhuh | i dont think the tech support help mne with that mission |
| 17:28.50 | Slackman | uhuh: thats quite ambitious |
| 17:28.50 | a_thing | Why would you? They get enough spam already. |
| 17:29.02 | Slackman | and spam isn't that interesting |
| 17:29.25 | uhuh | theres many sluts on email and i can blackmail them |
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| 17:29.36 | a_thing | Spam can be funny. |
| 17:29.50 | a_thing | I've gotten spam that tried to sell me m$ stuff 'cheap'. |
| 17:29.52 | Slackman | uhuh: blackmail them with what? sending more spam? |
| 17:29.54 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: btw, all those apps run GREAT in xfce |
| 17:30.01 | Ringwraith` | a_thing, Get a free penis enlargment now for only $49.95 while supplies last. Click HERE! |
| 17:30.16 | uhuh | AHAHAHAH |
| 17:30.22 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: hmm....nfi then.... |
| 17:30.22 | uhuh | da_bon_bon = BANNED 4 life |
| 17:30.28 | HenkPoley | Ringwraith`: there's no link.. ;-) |
| 17:30.35 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: ohh i know, remove stuff in /tmop |
| 17:30.43 | Slackman | in /tmp |
| 17:30.47 | Slackman | see if that works |
| 17:30.49 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: nfi ? |
| 17:31.00 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: did rm -rf /tmp/* too :( |
| 17:31.05 | Slackman | no fscking idea... |
| 17:31.08 | Ringwraith` | clone a human being in only 2 months GUARENTEED! own your own cloned human being! perfectly legal! perfectly safe! click here to order! |
| 17:31.22 | uhuh | Ringwraith` more information please |
| 17:31.44 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: like i care |
| 17:31.46 | Slackman | Ringwraith`: hmm i'd like a pammy, an anna and a JLo.....celebrity death match |
| 17:31.54 | Ringwraith` | Just mix our 2 special ingredients together in the tube and presto! in 2 weeks you have your own cloned human! |
| 17:31.55 | Slackman | Ringwraith`: CC ok? |
| 17:32.00 | Ringwraith` | lol |
| 17:32.27 | Slackman | Ringwraith`: it should be fine if i put the number up here right..? i mean everyone in irc is trust worthy... |
| 17:32.36 | Slackman | not like that #uberl33t channel |
| 17:32.45 | uhuh | * da_bon_bon was kicked by uhuh (And dont come Back!!!!) |
| 17:32.46 | Ringwraith` | Slackman, yes! |
| 17:32.47 | uhuh | HAAAAAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:32.56 | uhuh | i like irc |
| 17:32.58 | Ringwraith` | Slack also please email it to scam@nigeria.com |
| 17:33.02 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: SO > |
| 17:33.10 | uhuh | i owned you da_bon_bon |
| 17:33.17 | Slackman | Ringwraith`: already did that....they didn't get back to me... |
| 17:33.32 | Slackman | i gave them my passport and everything |
| 17:33.45 | da_bon_bon | uhuh: fu** you |
| 17:33.50 | uhuh | please join #uberl33t so i can BAN you |
| 17:33.59 | Slackman | uhuh: how old are you? |
| 17:34.11 | uhuh | im just a child |
| 17:34.21 | Slackman | uhuh: so it seems |
| 17:34.35 | uhuh | yes |
| 17:34.45 | Slackman | uhuh: where are ya from? |
| 17:34.51 | uhuh | Germania |
| 17:35.12 | uhuh | Berlin Capital of the World |
| 17:35.29 | Slackman | gutten tag |
| 17:35.38 | uhuh | ja |
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| 17:36.14 | Slackman | Wei Gehts? |
| 17:36.23 | uhuh | only english\ |
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| 17:37.20 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: any luck? |
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| 17:37.36 | da_bon_bon | Slackman: cant say -- am on winblows ATM |
| 17:38.27 | Slackman | da_bon_bon: k. |
| 17:41.48 | xijio | what does it take to make my konqueror pass acid2? Do I have to manually patch or will it be in kde 3.5 or what? |
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| 17:42.31 | Slackman | xijio: 3.5... |
| 17:42.47 | Slackman | xijio: but its pointless anyway as no one uses those functions |
| 17:42.54 | Slackman | coz I.E is so fucked |
| 17:43.06 | xijio | I know |
| 17:43.13 | xijio | i just like to piss off my mac friend :) |
| 17:43.20 | Slackman | well its not pointless..its great but it has no real use atm |
| 17:43.38 | Slackman | xijio: heh...grab the patches and compile yourself then |
| 17:43.59 | xijio | as of know firefox renders it better than konqueror ;) |
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| 17:46.20 | xijio | what I really wish from konqueror is a : view -> viewmode -> gecko |
| 17:46.29 | xijio | so we could switch between gecko and khtml |
| 17:46.46 | xijio | also, I'd like konqueror to use firefox adblock filters :) |
| 17:46.56 | xijio | then I'd switch |
| 17:47.28 | Slackman | xijio: there is an adblocker plugin coming and there is also a gecko part coming |
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| 17:49.35 | bline | also, you can import adblock css in the mean time |
| 17:49.36 | xijio | Slackman: /me drools |
| 17:49.46 | xijio | bline: how do you do that? |
| 17:49.54 | xijio | Slackman: links to those two projects? |
| 17:50.44 | bline | xijio: one sec, ill get you a link |
| 17:51.44 | bline | http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050521.212834.dc0f2a9b.en.html |
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| 17:53.11 | Slackman | xijio: well the gecko part was started at akademy but it was done by a few of the Trollies i think so it wont be done before QT4...the adblock is on the same page about the acid2 test |
| 17:53.37 | ArcSine | någon svensk här? |
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| 17:54.59 | Slackman | ArcSine: i doubt it....engels mainly |
| 17:55.39 | ArcSine | i want to find some swedes to help with the translation |
| 17:55.41 | ArcSine | :( |
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| 17:56.41 | Blissex | ArcSine: there are swedish language channels on freenode. |
| 17:56.55 | ArcSine | what kinda channels? |
| 17:57.05 | xijio | Slackman: which page about the acid2 test? |
| 17:57.16 | Blissex | ArcSine: the one I know of is #Debian.SE |
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| 17:57.30 | ArcSine | Blissex: noone there seems to use kde |
| 17:57.40 | ArcSine | i asked there first |
| 17:57.45 | Blissex | ArcSine: you can get a list of all channels here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist |
| 17:57.59 | ArcSine | or i can write /list |
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| 17:58.43 | ArcSine | 2620 channels found haha |
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| 18:01.06 | xijio | are there any plans to port other firefox extensions to adblock? |
| 18:01.13 | xijio | s/adblock/konqueror |
| 18:01.46 | Slackman | xijio: not sure |
| 18:02.26 | xijio | I still couldn't find the official adblock link but I saw a blog with screenshots from svn, looks neet |
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| 18:06.20 | spiral | hmmm, adblock for konqueror... Where ? |
| 18:09.10 | PieD | spiral : svn... |
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| 18:11.10 | baoji | spiral: yes, in svn; if you're running svn it's in Settings...Configure Konqueror |
| 18:11.37 | xijio | spiral: http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20050521.212834.dc0f2a9b.en.html is a hack that works in pre-svn |
| 18:11.46 | xijio | do people use svn on a regular basis? Is it stable? |
| 18:11.49 | spiral | baoji: all right... 'm not using svn... I'll wait & keep using privoxy 'till then |
| 18:11.58 | spiral | xijio: I'll look at your hack |
| 18:11.59 | baoji | spiral: yes indeed :) |
| 18:12.15 | xijio | privoxy often has false positives |
| 18:12.36 | xijio | atleast with the default filterset |
| 18:13.11 | spiral | xijio: yeah, I know... but I tweaked it a bit |
| 18:13.25 | xijio | wanna share your config :)? |
| 18:13.53 | spiral | xijio: if I can back it up, why not... but it's not on this computer... |
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| 18:14.11 | xijio | oh, ok |
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| 18:16.12 | spiral | xijio: I'll test your "hack", for now :-) |
| 18:17.02 | xijio | spiral: I take no credit for it ;) |
| 18:17.14 | spiral | xijio: :-) |
| 18:17.27 | xijio | I just found it based on bline's reccomendation |
| 18:17.33 | bkn | hi, when i start kaddressbook or kopete when kmail is not running, kmail launches too. Does anyone else see this behavior? (ver kde3.4) |
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| 19:07.32 | Xoritor | is there a superkaramba channel? |
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| 19:08.39 | phxguy | does anyone know where i can go to have konqueror stop pop-up? |
| 19:09.36 | chillmann | what's that dcop browser called? can't remember |
| 19:11.00 | Xoritor | anyone here build superkaramba on RHEL4 or FC4? |
| 19:11.03 | Xoritor | x86_64 |
| 19:11.10 | Xoritor | without the compat libs |
| 19:12.09 | phxguy | can't anybody help me out here? |
| 19:12.31 | Xoritor | phxguy: let me see if i can find someplace |
| 19:12.41 | phxguy | thanks |
| 19:12.46 | sredna | chillmann: kdcop |
| 19:13.33 | Blissex | phxguy: as a rule, repeat your entire question, and not more often than every 5-10 minutes... |
| 19:13.34 | sredna | phxguy: Sorry, what do you mean by 'konqueror stop pop-up'? |
| 19:13.41 | phxguy | its only been 2 minutes ago since i asked |
| 19:13.50 | pinotree | sredna: perhpas the ad-blocker? |
| 19:13.59 | sredna | pinotree: Maybe so |
| 19:14.05 | phxguy | srena i keep getting pop-up when i use konqueor. i thought there was an option to block them |
| 19:14.28 | Shachaf | phxguy: It's in Java & Javascript. |
| 19:14.43 | Shachaf | phxguy: Under JavaScript->Open New Windows. |
| 19:14.46 | sredna | phxguy: Konqueror allows you to forbid javascript popup windows, with a 'smart' policy that works quite well. It can even be set pr host |
| 19:14.55 | Shachaf | phxguy: Set it to "Ask" or "Smart". |
| 19:15.17 | phxguy | thanks. I knew it was somewhere in there. |
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| 19:16.51 | Xoritor | anyone here build superkaramba on RHEL4 or FC4? |
| 19:17.02 | chillmann | sredna: thanks. that was definitely to simple |
| 19:17.16 | sredna | :) |
| 19:19.52 | chillmann | is there a dcop call to shut down KDE? |
| 19:20.11 | pinotree | chillmann: yesi |
| 19:20.14 | pinotree | -i |
| 19:20.28 | chillmann | pinotree: where? |
| 19:21.11 | sredna | chillmann: Kdesktop or ksmanager |
| 19:21.20 | pinotree | chillmann: dcop ksmserver ksmserver logout x y z |
| 19:21.29 | sredna | Ksmserver.. |
| 19:21.37 | pinotree | ;) |
| 19:21.52 | chillmann | great, thanks |
| 19:21.58 | pinotree | chillmann: x y z are params for logout, they depend on your needs |
| 19:22.02 | chillmann | now I only need to find out, what the parameters need |
| 19:22.09 | chillmann | s/need/mean/ |
| 19:22.38 | pinotree | iirc 0 0 0 performs a logout (no shutdown) |
| 19:23.08 | chillmann | pinotree: where can I get the information? Do I have to look at the sources? |
| 19:23.18 | pinotree | unfortunately, yes |
| 19:23.34 | pinotree | at least it's what i did once to find out... |
| 19:23.52 | sredna | A simpler way os 'dcop kdesktop default logout' but it might require user interaction |
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| 19:25.49 | chillmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.49 | chillmann | a little bit closer :-) |
| 19:25.50 | pinotree | yes, that |
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| 19:26.37 | sredna | The parameters are shutdown( shutdownType, shutdownMode, bootOption ) |
| 19:26.54 | chillmann | http://docs.rage.net/system/kdelibs-devel-3/kdecore/html/classKApplication.html and here is what they mean |
| 19:26.55 | sredna | But I'd have to look at the header for meaningfull values |
| 19:27.06 | chillmann | ShutdownTypeHalt = 2 |
| 19:27.11 | chillmann | for example |
| 19:27.11 | chillmann | great |
| 19:27.16 | chillmann | thanks guys |
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| 19:28.49 | mirco | hola |
| 19:29.15 | mirco | ci sta qualche italiano? |
| 19:29.23 | annma | english here |
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| 19:30.04 | mirco | hy italian boy |
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| 19:38.46 | Xoritor | ok... so my issue if anytone knows how to fix it is :: |
| 19:38.58 | Xoritor | checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 19:38.59 | Xoritor | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE libraries installed. This will fail. |
| 19:38.59 | Xoritor | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
| 19:39.18 | Xoritor | but... they are in the prefix=/usr path |
| 19:39.35 | Xoritor | ie... /usr/lib64, /usr/bin |
| 19:40.07 | Xoritor | im using FC4 3.4.0 src rpms compiled on RHEL4 |
| 19:40.34 | Xoritor | trying to build superkaramba from sources |
| 19:40.51 | pinotree | Xoritor: what does which konqueror tell you? |
| 19:41.21 | Xoritor | which konqueror |
| 19:41.26 | Xoritor | /usr/bin/konqueror |
| 19:41.46 | pinotree | ok, so your prefix is /usr/ |
| 19:41.50 | Xoritor | right |
| 19:41.59 | pinotree | did you installed kdelibs header? |
| 19:42.00 | Xoritor | and i use ./configure --prefix=/usr |
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| 19:42.07 | pinotree | or the devel package? |
| 19:42.09 | Xoritor | yea |
| 19:42.15 | Xoritor | -devel on both base and libs |
| 19:42.18 | Xoritor | as well as qt |
| 19:42.38 | Xoritor | rpm -qa | grep kde | grep devel |
| 19:42.51 | Xoritor | kdebase-devel-3.4.0-5 kdelibs-devel-3.4.0-6 |
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| 19:43.52 | annma | Xoritor: try configure like pinotree said |
| 19:43.59 | annma | do you still have the error? |
| 19:44.39 | Xoritor | ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 19:44.45 | Xoritor | thats the config command i use |
| 19:45.04 | annma | and you have the error? |
| 19:45.28 | Xoritor | yes |
| 19:45.38 | annma | rpm -ql kdelibs-devel-3.4.0-6 |
| 19:45.42 | Xoritor | i have use -L /usr/lib64 |
| 19:45.53 | annma | does that list files? |
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| 19:46.20 | chip | Anybody know how to make the screen lock automatically when a laptop suspends? |
| 19:46.21 | Xoritor | yes |
| 19:46.39 | chip | I could add an APM action, if there were a shell command that invoked screen locking |
| 19:46.43 | annma | Xoritor: paste 1 line |
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| 19:47.24 | pinotree | chip: the command line is: kdesktop_lock --forcelock |
| 19:47.41 | pinotree | chip: for the suspend i don't know, as i have no laptop :D |
| 19:47.43 | Xoritor | one of the lines /usr/include/kde |
| 19:48.57 | geoaxis | hello ppl : any one here from summer of code |
| 19:49.36 | liucougar | geoaxis: I'd like to join |
| 19:49.40 | liucougar | as well |
| 19:49.50 | chip | pinotree: tx |
| 19:50.30 | geoaxis | ello liucougar , wat are u interested in |
| 19:50.50 | geoaxis | btw wats the # for kde-dev ? |
| 19:51.02 | annma | Xoritor: what are you compiling? |
| 19:51.10 | Xoritor | superkaramba |
| 19:51.13 | liucougar | er, at the beginning I wanted to go for my own project |
| 19:51.22 | liucougar | kde-dev is for kde development |
| 19:51.22 | annma | from where? |
| 19:51.45 | thiago | geoaxis: the what for kde-dev? |
| 19:52.56 | geoaxis | channel = # |
| 19:53.16 | thiago | #kde-devel |
| 19:53.34 | geoaxis | thanx |
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| 19:54.42 | annma | geoaxis: for summer code contact the mentors |
| 19:55.24 | geoaxis | annma : ok |
| 19:56.14 | geoaxis | my darn campus room ..doesnt have proxy for IRC |
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| 19:57.15 | liucougar | me either... however I setup a proxy myself :) |
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| 19:58.17 | Flendor | Hello. |
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| 19:58.36 | slayerbob | hiya Flendor |
| 19:59.08 | Flendor | Hey there Slayer :) How are you this evening? |
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| 20:00.01 | slayerbob | oh not too bad |
| 20:00.07 | slayerbob | am in the process of moving out of my old house :P |
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| 20:00.22 | slayerbob | plus i just fixed canllaith and mine email server :P |
| 20:00.29 | Flendor | Glad to hear that. Saw my youngest cousin for the first time today :D |
| 20:00.35 | slayerbob | lol |
| 20:00.36 | sugoi | where can i set the path for trash? using 3.4, and i dont see it in my controlcenter like i remember in the past |
| 20:00.57 | Flendor | Oh. Well, I hope you're warming up to the new city and job? |
| 20:01.03 | Flendor | Hey she's 2 months old! |
| 20:01.53 | sugoi | dragostea din tei |
| 20:02.35 | sugoi | ah |
| 20:02.39 | anisX | huh slayerbob ? |
| 20:02.42 | sugoi | sorry, wrong channel for that =P |
| 20:02.53 | anisX | sugoi: numa numa yea! |
| 20:02.59 | sugoi | yeah |
| 20:03.04 | sugoi | sorry, friend was asking for the name of it |
| 20:03.12 | sugoi | ...on another channel obviously |
| 20:03.24 | anisX | nice song..especially u have 5.1 speaker |
| 20:03.30 | sugoi | ugh |
| 20:03.31 | sugoi | weird song |
| 20:03.38 | anisX | i lurves that song |
| 20:03.41 | sugoi | but whatever .. .anyone know the path for trash !!? =) |
| 20:04.19 | Xoritor | trash:/ |
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| 20:04.39 | sugoi | but i want to change it i mean -- take it off the desktop (i like /tmp for example) |
| 20:05.03 | slayerbob | lol |
| 20:05.55 | Xoritor | i duuno then |
| 20:06.17 | pinotree | sugoi: iirc, you can't change |
| 20:06.20 | pinotree | it |
| 20:06.27 | sugoi | cant take it off the desktop !? |
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| 20:06.35 | sugoi | you could before...with controlcenter |
| 20:06.38 | sugoi | change its path |
| 20:06.47 | sugoi | if 'they' took that out. man the stinks |
| 20:06.51 | sugoi | that* |
| 20:07.59 | sugoi | also, weird thing, but i have a KDS Rad-7c 17" LCD |
| 20:08.14 | Xoritor | hah! |
| 20:08.16 | sugoi | when kde is first starting up, before there is any background image for the login, my screen wigs out |
| 20:08.21 | Xoritor | i figured out how to get it to work |
| 20:08.31 | Xoritor | rpmbuild --eval %configure |
| 20:08.36 | Xoritor | hahaha |
| 20:08.39 | sugoi | hard for me to explain...but it 'waves' like the sync is jacked |
| 20:08.45 | Xoritor | take that and copy paste the results |
| 20:08.51 | slayerbob | lol |
| 20:09.03 | sugoi | Xoritor: haha, what does it do? |
| 20:09.04 | slayerbob | "wigs out" sounds like a pretty good explanation for that :P |
| 20:09.11 | sugoi | slayerbob: heh |
| 20:09.13 | Xoritor | ./configure --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var |
| 20:09.13 | Xoritor | --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info |
| 20:09.54 | Xoritor | so everything gets found in the right dir! |
| 20:09.56 | Xoritor | heh |
| 20:10.35 | annma | Xoritor: that's a hell of a configure line |
| 20:10.45 | annma | you had to use them all |
| 20:10.47 | Xoritor | annma: yep... |
| 20:10.53 | Xoritor | sheesh |
| 20:11.05 | Xoritor | but it should get everything where RHEL4 wants it |
| 20:11.20 | Xoritor | i may make an rpm for RHEL4 |
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| 20:17.12 | perco | How do I jump between workspaces in KDE 3.3? |
| 20:18.12 | annma | between desktops you mean? |
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| 20:19.11 | sredna | Ctrl + tab maybe? |
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| 20:28.45 | Flendor | Yay, annma and sredna is here too :D How are you? |
| 20:28.56 | annma | hi! fine, and you? |
| 20:29.01 | sredna | Hi Flendor :) |
| 20:29.03 | annma | beautiful weather here |
| 20:29.21 | Flendor | Pretty fine :) I have a fluid dynamics exam on Monday though |
| 20:29.25 | sredna | I'm fine too, allthough bored, because the weather is so terrible here that I didn't care to go out all day :p |
| 20:29.41 | Flendor | Yes, it was wonderful here during the day, but now it's chilly.. |
| 20:29.59 | Flendor | sredna - :( Well that sounds like a good opportunity to code! :D |
| 20:30.11 | sredna | Lol, I draw with inkscape |
| 20:30.14 | Flendor | annma - Saw my 2 month old cousin for the first time today :) |
| 20:30.15 | sredna | My new hobby :p |
| 20:30.34 | annma | Flendor: :) nice |
| 20:30.43 | Flendor | Heh, new hobbies don't hurt anyone :) (And I bet it's cheaper than my Magic the Gathering and Warhammer hobbies..) |
| 20:31.56 | sredna | http://83.73.143.23:8004/ are som of my results so far (don't laugh) |
| 20:32.24 | sredna | Well, it's completely free apart from having the PC running.. |
| 20:33.12 | Flendor | Heheh, the "Joly Roger" looks fine :) |
| 20:33.31 | sredna | Flendor: The signalflags I just traced wqith autotrace (the svg versions) |
| 20:33.46 | sredna | I want to contribute them to openclipart |
| 20:34.12 | Flendor | Oh. Well, good luck :) I like svg's.. I hope they get more widely used. |
| 20:34.14 | sredna | I just need to make them all smaller, there is a lot of bland space |
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| 20:35.49 | Flendor | Oh. Hope you'll do it well. |
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| 20:37.10 | sredna | Well, it's not hard at all... the real drawing is in the People folder, and they are icons for KDM for example |
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| 20:46.32 | Dhraakellian | nm |
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| 20:47.40 | Ringwraith` | Dual Beer Cannister system filled. System is at 100%. |
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| 20:51.43 | anisX | i wanna ask something about not related with KDE |
| 20:51.55 | anisX | can i put 5 hdd on my personal desktop ? that is possible ? |
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| 20:57.17 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 20:57.32 | Ringwraith` | anisX, yes |
| 20:57.46 | Dhraakellian | why can't I get konqi to allow the main toolbar and the location toolbar on the same line? |
| 20:57.47 | anisX | i will buy IDE controller soon |
| 20:57.47 | Ringwraith` | anisX, i do it here on my system, however you need a extra ide card |
| 20:57.49 | anisX | thanks |
| 20:58.02 | anisX | Ringwraith`: PCI for HDD IDE right ? |
| 20:58.06 | Ringwraith` | anisX, just dont expect to install win2k or whatever on those drives |
| 20:58.20 | Ringwraith` | anisX, yeah |
| 20:58.38 | anisX | Ringwraith`: i cant install any OS on that hdd which are connected from extra ide card |
| 20:58.40 | anisX | *? |
| 20:58.56 | Ringwraith` | no, linux will take on it |
| 20:59.03 | Ringwraith` | win2k seems to refuse to install |
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| 20:59.50 | anisX | Ringwraith`: 2 operating system is good enough for newbies like me :D |
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| 21:04.22 | LM | aaaaahahahahahahahahahaaaa |
| 21:04.37 | LM | KDE SUCKS MORE THAN WINDOWS |
| 21:04.43 | Ringwraith` | oh. |
| 21:04.48 | Ringwraith` | thanks for the input lm |
| 21:04.56 | pinotree | LM: ... and? |
| 21:05.01 | MrGrim | ya no kidding... kde is just a wannabe |
| 21:05.02 | LM | 202 users |
| 21:05.11 | LM | oh god |
| 21:05.27 | pinotree | LM: ... and? |
| 21:05.31 | Ringwraith` | lm 202 lusers |
| 21:05.33 | Ringwraith` | not users |
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| 21:05.53 | pinotree | Ringwraith`: 202 = (l)users + developers |
| 21:05.59 | MrGrim | we're just too much for your average troll |
| 21:06.03 | Ringwraith` | silly kid, now everyone knows his userid of 1000. |
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| 21:09.58 | kde101 | hi everyone, good afternoon :) |
| 21:10.14 | kde101 | can someone explain me why http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/khello/khello4.htm this example KRASH!? |
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| 21:10.38 | kde101 | and also why I get __comp_ctor deprecated? |
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| 21:11.40 | kde101 | someone can help me out? :P |
| 21:12.11 | PieD | Ringwraith`: why ? |
| 21:12.36 | Ringwraith` | to celebrate Pietananananakakakah |
| 21:13.15 | MrGrim | ugh... that option to open links in a new tab is neat... I just wish it wouldn't open them in konqi windows open in the file manager profile |
| 21:13.27 | MrGrim | cause I always keep those smaller, and w/ a sidebar |
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| 21:16.18 | MrGrim | anyone know of any way to prevent it from doing so? |
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| 21:18.58 | annma | kde101: why does kdevelop refuse to install? |
| 21:19.06 | annma | urpmi kdevelop |
| 21:19.11 | annma | what does it say? |
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| 21:19.32 | kde101 | no pkg kdevelop |
| 21:19.38 | kde101 | i downlaoded the source |
| 21:19.39 | kde101 | the rpms |
| 21:19.43 | kde101 | but nothings works |
| 21:19.50 | kde101 | rpm hell |
| 21:20.15 | kde101 | i also tried to install gambas, but it just refuse to install SDL correctly |
| 21:20.19 | annma | try compiling kdevelop from the kdevelop website tarball |
| 21:20.25 | kde101 | qt-devel is also a pain in da ass |
| 21:20.32 | kde101 | to install i had to do --nodeps |
| 21:20.34 | annma | it'll be a good thing if you want to develop anyway |
| 21:20.44 | kde101 | it won't compile... |
| 21:20.52 | Ringwraith` | kde101, are you using an (gasp) rpm? |
| 21:21.11 | kde101 | I got Kevelop-3.2.0 and 3.2.1 |
| 21:21.13 | kde101 | tarballs |
| 21:21.28 | sredna | MrGrim: That would definately be worth a wish :) |
| 21:21.45 | kde101 | let me rerun configure, make make install |
| 21:21.48 | kde101 | ill tell u the erros |
| 21:22.01 | liucougar | specify prefix to your kde prefix |
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| 21:22.10 | sredna | kde101: Nodeps is silly, all the deps are probably development libraries that you need to use it |
| 21:22.25 | kde101 | dude I downloaded EVERY damn rpms |
| 21:22.29 | kde101 | from mandrake and cie |
| 21:22.29 | liucougar | kde101: why not grab a rpm? |
| 21:22.31 | kde101 | over 8GB |
| 21:22.37 | kde101 | and it still says it miss stuff |
| 21:22.41 | liucougar | wah |
| 21:22.44 | sredna | kde101: In mandrake, use urpmi to install |
| 21:23.01 | kde101 | downloaded from school, cuz im 56k here |
| 21:23.03 | sredna | Or mandriva it is now I hear.. |
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| 21:23.21 | kde101 | configure says u have no kde docs |
| 21:23.26 | kde101 | then make |
| 21:24.14 | sf_ | try pasting the entire configure result into a paste site and link to it... like ./configure > output.txt - and paste output.txt |
| 21:24.15 | kde101 | sign/unsign warning, enum warning |
| 21:24.33 | kde101 | I'll have to switch computer... it's on my laptop |
| 21:24.34 | kde101 | ;) |
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| 21:26.05 | kde101 | libkdevcppsupport.la against static library libdb.a is not portable... |
| 21:26.10 | sf_ | btw. kde101, if you want to learn qt, try reading the book that was freely released a while ago...It's pretty good... |
| 21:26.25 | kde101 | i know |
| 21:26.37 | kde101 | but i don't want to learn Qt, I want to learn KDE libs :P |
| 21:26.52 | Ringwraith` | wah i broke a nail. |
| 21:27.01 | sf_ | same thing... |
| 21:27.06 | Japsu | kde101: do you know qt already? that's almost a necessary pre-requisite |
| 21:27.13 | kde101 | mostly |
| 21:27.16 | kde101 | im familiar... |
| 21:27.29 | MrGrim | kde101: considering many kde classes are derived from qt classes it'd be wise to learn noth |
| 21:27.30 | MrGrim | both |
| 21:27.37 | kde101 | i know |
| 21:27.49 | sf_ | kde libs is a bit nicer in many ways, gives you some powerful tools, but don't go directly to kde...Really, you want to start with qt... |
| 21:27.52 | Japsu | kde101: see the tutorials and api references at developer.kde.org |
| 21:28.02 | MrGrim | in order to fully utilize the power of a class it makes sense to know all of its parent classes |
| 21:28.10 | kde101 | where can i get a .UI -> .cpp tutorial |
| 21:28.12 | kde101 | that's all i need |
| 21:28.13 | Japsu | thus spake the master programmer :) |
| 21:28.17 | Japsu | kde101: developer.kde.org |
| 21:28.21 | kde101 | I have .ui already |
| 21:28.23 | kde101 | ITS NOT there |
| 21:28.26 | kde101 | its kde2 |
| 21:28.27 | kde101 | lol |
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| 21:28.38 | kde101 | if u compile the stuff it KRASH |
| 21:28.41 | kde101 | or deprecated errors |
| 21:28.42 | humbolt | Is there any open source editor that is capable of formatting a html file for me? I want tabs and spaces set in a way that makes it easy to read, so I can see on the first sight, where tables begin and end. |
| 21:28.47 | Japsu | kde101: http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials.php |
| 21:28.54 | kde101 | indent? |
| 21:28.55 | Japsu | kde101: you just don't know where to look for it |
| 21:29.03 | Japsu | kde101: there ARE good tutorials at d.k.o |
| 21:29.11 | sf_ | read the qt book...And just prefix the 'q' extension with 'k' instead...That's kind of the definitive guide |
| 21:29.18 | Japsu | kde101: including ones that begin with designing an interface and then implementing its functions |
| 21:29.52 | annma | kde101: ui to cpp: read basic qt doc |
| 21:29.59 | annma | no need for a tutorial |
| 21:30.00 | kde101 | doesnt say how to do ui to cpp |
| 21:30.03 | annma | lol |
| 21:30.06 | kde101 | i know moc/uic |
| 21:30.09 | annma | sure! read better |
| 21:30.12 | kde101 | but it doesn't explain the "rest" |
| 21:30.21 | annma | come on |
| 21:30.34 | kde101 | I want a tutorial |
| 21:30.39 | annma | uic --help |
| 21:30.45 | kde101 | very funny |
| 21:30.49 | annma | is a full tutorial on uic |
| 21:31.10 | kde101 | Hello world + menu + toolbar from .ui into a .cpp with KDE standards menu |
| 21:31.17 | kde101 | with DB plugins |
| 21:31.39 | sf_ | http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2001-03/thread00672-0.html |
| 21:32.39 | kde101 | sf_ that gives you a "DUMB" c++ project |
| 21:32.46 | kde101 | how do you go from there? |
| 21:33.55 | sf_ | ehm...I don't really get what you want, you want a tutorial on using uic, but uic is basically a qt tool, not a specifical kde tool...So you just need to learn how to use it with qt, and use the kde classes instead... |
| 21:34.23 | sf_ | or i might have misunderstood you :\ |
| 21:35.33 | sredna | humbolt: Htmltidy |
| 21:36.11 | kde101 | i don't want a tutorial on uic |
| 21:36.16 | kde101 | i want a tutorial after "uic" |
| 21:36.25 | annma | bye all |
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| 21:36.35 | annma | hmm, kde101, good luck!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 21:37.00 | sredna | kde101: Tutorials are part of the Qt distributino |
| 21:37.03 | sredna | Ion |
| 21:37.17 | kde101 | but it doesn't explain how to get a "KDE help" |
| 21:37.20 | kde101 | a KDE edit menu |
| 21:37.22 | kde101 | a KDE file menu |
| 21:37.24 | kde101 | a ... |
| 21:38.08 | sredna | humbolt: In kate, you could use html through the text filter plugin, of you could pipe your file through it before opening in any editor |
| 21:38.09 | humbolt | sredna: htmltidy what? is this part of some editor or an editor itself? |
| 21:38.10 | sf_ | oh well ehm...After uic you should look to ehm, the kde book, and ehm...:) Your favorite c++ book... If you use designer there's not that much more to it in my opinion... |
| 21:38.18 | sf_ | kde book = qt book |
| 21:38.21 | sredna | humbolt: http://freshmeat.net/projects/htmltidy/ |
| 21:39.17 | kde101 | dude qt doesn't come with "standard KDE extensions" |
| 21:39.51 | kde101 | you get a Qt app with some KDE widgets but no std kde stuff |
| 21:40.00 | kde101 | OMG |
| 21:40.58 | kde101 | http://women.kde.org/articles/tutorials/kdevelop_templates/index.php = just screenshot no example/explaination |
| 21:41.42 | sf_ | Those examples don't really contain anything kde specific...afaics |
| 21:42.15 | kde101 | refer to http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/xmlui/step2.html |
| 21:44.29 | sf_ | I see, but I'd still advise you to read up on the qt classes first :) But you're probably sick of hearing that :) |
| 21:44.46 | kde101 | i read that already |
| 21:44.52 | kde101 | I'm trying to make it kdeish |
| 21:44.58 | kde101 | but im stuck with qt tools |
| 21:45.03 | kde101 | and KDE2 tutorials! |
| 21:45.50 | sf_ | replace q with k :) It's really no harder that that, and look at the api for kde...For most of the classes the differences are microscopic, and in most cases the core differences are almost transparent when it comes to coding it... |
| 21:45.52 | cies | . |
| 21:46.09 | kde101 | thats not really the cas |
| 21:46.20 | kde101 | :P |
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| 21:49.31 | sf_ | kde101: http://developer.kde.org/~larrosa/tutorial/index.html |
| 21:50.56 | kde101 | ok, looks like the one I did, but some stuff is different. let me try |
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| 21:54.07 | Zxcvb__ | have there been any changes to koffice 1.4 rc1 since it was released? |
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| 22:07.38 | kde101 | sf_ |
| 22:07.47 | kde101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.29 | kde101 | in QObject::active_filer)_ from libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 22:08.39 | kde101 | from operator new() |
| 22:09.10 | kde101 | using host libthread_db library /lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1 |
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| 22:10.27 | sf_ | hmmm....I'll just test it... |
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| 22:11.12 | sf_ | the kde hello world example? |
| 22:11.26 | kde101 | the stupid hi example #1,#2 works |
| 22:11.35 | kde101 | but says __ctor__comp deprecated |
| 22:11.44 | kde101 | as soon as you get menu in there |
| 22:11.46 | kde101 | it crash |
| 22:12.26 | kde101 | do you want me to switch to my laptop and pastebin? |
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| 22:13.51 | sf_ | hmmm |
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| 22:19.20 | kde101 | compiled it? |
| 22:19.54 | kde101 | im a quick learner, but i need a good example |
| 22:20.03 | kde101 | that works :P |
| 22:20.34 | kde101 | kdevelop still recompiling... |
| 22:21.04 | sf_ | hmmm....Just a moment... |
| 22:21.10 | kde101 | :) |
| 22:21.28 | kde101 | i appreciate ;) |
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| 22:24.58 | sf_ | Hmmm...I can't check it right now...Haven't done any qt/kde stuff since i changed to suse 9.3, and I'm having trouble with it right now..But there's no apparent reason why that example shouldn't work...it's pretty basic :\ |
| 22:25.17 | sf_ | that's what i miss most about gentoo...love the build enviroment :\ |
| 22:26.47 | sf_ | I don't really know why you'd have problems :\ |
| 22:27.18 | kde101 | couldnt install gentoo |
| 22:27.20 | kde101 | neither suse |
| 22:27.22 | kde101 | neither ark |
| 22:27.24 | kde101 | neither xandros |
| 22:27.44 | kde101 | mandrake installed, next step was slackware :P |
| 22:27.54 | kde101 | hate redhat |
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| 22:28.17 | kde101 | kdevelop compiled |
| 22:28.26 | kde101 | make install |
| 22:29.10 | sf_ | slackware is the only large distro i've ever used i think...Ok, well, last redhat distro i used was 6.0, and that's about 7 years old |
| 22:29.16 | tjs57 | Mmm..debian |
| 22:29.19 | Zxcvb__ | ever use slackware 3.2? |
| 22:30.16 | kde101 | i used very old slackware [first linux tried] hate it ;P |
| 22:31.34 | kde101 | didn't use linux for few years, then rediscovered kde3 |
| 22:31.35 | kde101 | ;) |
| 22:31.47 | Zxcvb__ | fvwm2/fvwm95 myself the first time |
| 22:31.56 | Zxcvb__ | actually tried to upgrade to glibc, hosed the system |
| 22:32.16 | kde101 | use fvwm2/95 on sun solaris |
| 22:32.35 | red_beard | kde101: you can download the Trolltech Qt book, its a really good book |
| 22:32.43 | sf_ | lol...never touch glibc...Until the time when they get solaris style symbol grouping in glibc upgrading it is going to hose the system... |
| 22:32.53 | kde101 | well i think by install qt-devel |
| 22:32.56 | kde101 | it solved it |
| 22:32.58 | kde101 | : |
| 22:32.59 | kde101 | :| |
| 22:32.59 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: no, upgrade from libc5 to glibc |
| 22:33.05 | kde101 | let me try |
| 22:33.14 | sf_ | oh...I see... |
| 22:33.25 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: guaranteed to break everything |
| 22:34.06 | sf_ | hehe...Except stuff in /sbin |
| 22:34.33 | sf_ | or well, I guess that could break too :\ |
| 22:34.53 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: remember when wine was finally able to run mirc and actually connect to an IRC server? |
| 22:35.19 | sf_ | can't say I do... |
| 22:35.45 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: at least there are xchat patches for /dccserver (authbind or root required to use it though) so mirc is useless |
| 22:35.56 | slayerbob | i mean... there are far better unix irc clients than mirc... |
| 22:35.56 | Zxcvb__ | slayerbob: it was something to try other than sol.exe |
| 22:36.17 | Zxcvb__ | slayerbob: this was back in the days that WABI 2.2 was still supported |
| 22:36.22 | sf_ | what started the mirc topic? |
| 22:36.25 | sf_ | :) |
| 22:36.50 | kde101 | why no body makes a mirc clone for kde? |
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| 22:36.58 | kde101 | instead of reinventing ones |
| 22:37.45 | Zxcvb__ | kde101: the main reason to use mirc is the /dccserver (reverse dcc) that listens on port 59 but there are xchat patches to support that |
| 22:39.01 | kde101 | nope |
| 22:39.02 | sf_ | the lack of dccserver support is mostly about the breaking of that 'no user apps on port 1024 or less' unix way... |
| 22:39.05 | kde101 | for the SCRIPTS!!!!!!!! |
| 22:39.18 | sf_ | it's hardly because it's hard to implement... |
| 22:39.22 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: check out authbind for a way around that |
| 22:39.48 | sf_ | Know that, but afair it still requires root for taking control of the port |
| 22:40.30 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: authbind drops root before loading xchat or whatever |
| 22:40.37 | kde101 | what's a .rc file? |
| 22:40.45 | kde101 | and where do i insert .ui file in kdevelop? |
| 22:40.59 | Zxcvb__ | sf_: much easier to audit a small app that hooks the bind syscall than an entire IRC client |
| 22:41.18 | sf_ | guess so...:\ |
| 22:43.22 | kde101 | can't locate Autm4te/ChannelDefs.pm |
| 22:45.52 | Dhraakellian | well, xchat can use python. I wouldn't really know about irssi |
| 22:47.40 | kde101 | uselss dude |
| 22:47.46 | kde101 | theres like 10,000 mirc script |
| 22:47.54 | kde101 | and how many in python/perl? |
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| 22:48.19 | kde101 | if it supported mirc script, perl and python that would be different tough |
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| 22:49.06 | apollo2011 | I have (K)ubuntu system with both KDE and Gnome installed. I use KDE by default. However, I just noticed that the Switch User option is suddenly missing from my K Menu. |
| 22:49.49 | CoderC1 | hello all... I am trying to find out how to terminate X when it crashes and i get no response anything. |
| 22:49.58 | apollo2011 | Could this be because Gnome has set its Login Manager as Default? Last time I rebooted it came up with the Gnome Login |
| 22:50.54 | CoderC1 | How do i get out of X if it crashes? |
| 22:51.04 | kde101 | apollo yes i had this bug |
| 22:51.12 | apollo2011 | Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 22:51.15 | kde101 | if u install gnome apps.. kubuntu becomes ubuntu |
| 22:51.24 | apollo2011 | kde101: is it because I have both Gnome and KDE? |
| 22:51.32 | apollo2011 | yeah |
| 22:51.45 | apollo2011 | gets confusing a little bit |
| 22:51.56 | kde101 | i freak out when i saw that |
| 22:52.00 | apollo2011 | so how do I get the KDE login manager back? or cant I? |
| 22:52.08 | kde101 | from the gnome login manager |
| 22:52.16 | kde101 | its in some option there |
| 22:52.17 | kde101 | look around |
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| 22:52.26 | apollo2011 | me too a little bit |
| 22:52.31 | kde101 | from the boot login menu |
| 22:52.41 | kde101 | it feel like install a win3.1 app in winxp |
| 22:52.45 | kde101 | and rebooting in win3.1 |
| 22:52.46 | kde101 | lol |
| 22:52.56 | kde101 | you're like WTF!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:53.05 | apollo2011 | well I already set KDE back to Default from when I selected it as the Session Type |
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| 22:53.20 | apollo2011 | if I reboot will it be the KDE Login manager./ |
| 22:53.32 | apollo2011 | *? |
| 22:53.40 | kde101 | it should |
| 22:53.56 | kde101 | well try it else kill gnome login manager :P |
| 22:54.20 | nigh | hello. I have KDE 3.3 on mandriva LE 2005. What's the best way to upgrade to 3.4? |
| 22:54.55 | apollo2011 | ok ill play around with it. In most cases, I will want to have both Gnome and KDE open in two sessions so I hope I can get that feature back :-P. GTG thx for your help! |
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| 23:49.55 | Legolas | anyone here use guach |
| 23:49.55 | Legolas | gyach i mean |
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